Ukraine - Russia: mutual failure

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Ukraine - Russia: mutual failureOne of the notable moments of the celebration of the 1025th anniversary of the Baptism of Russia, which smoothly passed on the Day of the Naval fleet, was the consecration of the bell in the temple in Chersonesos. There, as you know, Vladimir the Baptist himself was baptized, and the presidents of Russia, Vladimir Putin and Ukraine, Viktor Yanukovych approached this event with all the pathos of solemnity. Or, if you like, solemn pathos. They were important in silence, walked slowly, turned to stone, where necessary, with their faces, made their faces smart, meek and mournful in the same place, overshadowed themselves with a cross, and even, when the time came, they struck a new bell ...

And now, when even the echo of that chime was heard, Putin left, but Yanukovych stayed, would it not hurt anyone to figure out for whom that bell rang? As the organizer of the international conference “Orthodox Slavic Values ​​is the Basis of Ukraine’s Civilization Choice,” timed to coincide with the celebration of the 1025 anniversary of the Baptism of Russia, and the inspirer of memorable “temniki” media recommendations for Viktor Medvedchuk, the issue is important and relevant. If only because Putin, I repeat, left, but Yanukovych remained, and it is important to know in what light Ukraine’s hereditary baptized lives and what awaits it in the near future. For example, in the light of dependence on Russian energy carriers, the topic of which would be cheaper and the salvation of the Ukrainian economy somehow dissolved into crimson bells, naval cries of “Hurray”, fireworks and inspirational speeches, from which their mouths acted like beautiful but sour. tart apples ....

Alas, it is necessary to ascertain, the Chersonesus bell almost the last time rang for both presidents. He actually marked the end of carnival, imitation diplomacy, with the help of which Moscow and Kiev over the past three years and a little have allegedly tried to build equal, friendly, mutually beneficial relations in all senses. They are deadlocked because Ukraine imitated friendship and did not go there, and Russia responded with the same imitation feelings, but did nothing to turn Ukraine towards itself, attract it, turn away from the wrong choice of path. In establishing new mutually beneficial relations, Ukraine and Russia have not done anything worthwhile, and this is a mutual fiasco of both presidents, Vladimir Putin and Viktor Yanukovych. They did not fulfill their main common task - they did not bring the two countries together. And two people, of course. They did not ensure mutually beneficial, equal and productive cooperation, about which so much and long talked. The reasons for this are many. And different - objective and subjective. But the fact remains: everything went into beautiful words, into a symbolic ritual, into nothing meaningful, effective, but not effective window dressing ...

The signing of the Association Agreement and the creation of a free trade area (FTA) between Ukraine and the European Union at the Eastern Partnership Summit in Vilnius may finally fix this fiasco of bilateral relations at the end of November this year. If an exchange of autographs takes place, then the Yavorivsky doctrine and other post-communist werewolves, who united with the newly-minted neo-Nazis in the process of changing the host, will finally win: for three hundred years we have been near Moscow, and now we will try near Washington. Brussels as the capital of “United Europe” is, as you understand, a beautiful but exaggerated simulacrum, a weak bureaucratic ersatz center of a collapsing organism, behind which the overseas sponsor, patron, defender and inspirer looms. This is the current Ukrainian elite who seeks for him under the “umbrella” (he felt sick when writing this phrase) that the pro-government, that the opposition ...

Putin’s visit to Ukraine was, of course, demonstrative. In Kiev, the president of Russia clearly showed where he wants to see Ukraine - in the Customs Union (CU) of Russia, Belarus and Kazakhstan. Arriving at the presidential invitation, but having devoted the entire 15 minutes to negotiations with a high-ranking vis-à-vis, Putin tried to stay away from Yanukovych. And then he went to the above-mentioned international conference of his godfather Medvedchuk, already baptized that by the court, almost like “opposition” Kiev “anti-European” journalists. At this event, Medvedchuk said that Ukraine, in the event of signing an association agreement, awaits the fate of reserving a collapsing Europe without a vote, but with obligations to strictly comply with all the "zahaganki" of the new owner. De-industrialization, de-sovereignty, depopulation, de-intellectualization (debilization) and de-democratization - this is what, following KT, prophesied Ukraine and Medvedchuk. Putin, apparently, agreed with him. He stated the decline in Ukrainian-Russian relations and highly praised the CU: “In the first quarter of this year, our trade with Ukraine fell by more than one percent on 17. In the countries of the Customs Union, it grew by 34% the year before last, by another 11% in the past, and in the first quarter of this year our growth was already 2-3%, despite the decline in the global economy. We have a constant rise. ” "Let's come to us!", - as if the GDP was saying. Although the type promised: "We will respect any choice of the Ukrainian people and the Ukrainian state in the depth of participation in the integration processes that occur in the post-Soviet space."

In Sevastopol, the Russian president demonstrated who modern Russia is going to rely on. And that Russia is still developing along the path of an enlightened semi-civil militocracy *, more frankly professing the creed of Emperor Alexander III the Peacemaker, who loved to say in the circle of intimates: “In the whole world we have only two faithful allies - our army and navy. All the rest, as soon as possible, will turn against us. ” Whether Ukraine wants it or not, other Black Sea countries agree with it or not, but Russia's Black Sea fleet will develop, re-equip and retool with the most modern weapons - This is the quintessence of Putin’s visit to his sailors. And what is most surprising is that Russia has money for it, Putin’s words are not a bluff.

And today we can already say that Ukraine and Russia, developing and moving in parallel courses, nevertheless moved in different directions. Ukraine was gradually moving away from sentimental nationalism (the author of the definition was political scientist Anton Finko) with an emphasis on mov, embroidered sharovars and holidays for pro-European pragmatism, in which Kiev gradually abandoned its multi-vector approach and tended to the west. And in the east, more precisely in Russia, he only wanted with old promises and crafty vows of eternal friendship and fidelity "historical roots ”to get energy for a while at lowered non-market prices and thus get a break during the economic crisis. Kiev did not succeed in any of this. He did not receive cheap energy and is now falling into the arms of Europe by a powerless and foul-smelling kul, from which few will jump out to a better life and “universal values”. Those who already have accounts and “khatynki” in Europe. And he doesn’t want to lose them, but on the contrary, he wants to get guarantees that after Ukraine’s “stall” with a peeing boy, everything “acquired by overwork” in the sold and devoted “nenka” will remain untouchable in Europe.

Ukraine and Russia, developing and moving parallel courses, still moving in different directions. Ukraine gradually moved away from sentimental nationalism (the author of the definition is political analyst Anton Finko) with an emphasis on mova, embroidery and trousers for holidays to pro-European pragmatism, in which Kiev gradually abandoned multi-vector approach and leaned to the west

With Putin’s coming to the helm, Russia immediately declared that it was abandoning the abstract “brotherhood-sisterhood”, which had been cherished in the relations between Kiev and Moscow under the USSR, and chooses pragmatism: only what is useful is useful. To whom? Russia first. And over the years, this Putin's pragmatism became harder and harder, more and more directed. Russia agreed to pay not for abstraction, but for the implementation of its geopolitical and geo-economic plans and ideas. Now she is on the agenda - developing the CU into the Eurasian Union from 2015. Regarding Ukraine, when in 2004 year and five years after in Moscow they saw what anti-Russian and anti-Russian mug the glovarian “fraternal” nationalism of svidomites could turn into, Putin’s pragmatism seems to have resulted in the fact that he is not afraid of the deterioration of the situation in the former “sister” . Russia, so today it seems, is ready to observe (if not accelerate in the event of the signing of the Association Agreement with the EU?) The total collapse of Ukraine up to its territorial split. And when this happens, Russia will come and pick up what it needs in Ukraine. And the EU is unlikely to be able to help Ukraine with something - he doesn’t have enough money for himself, and then he will have to save some limitroph ...

In other words, Putin's pragmatism, under which cheap energy and gas-petrodollars are like a fool of candy wrappers, has outplayed the Ukrainian pragmatism from the very beginning and is now replaying, in which even European allusions turn out to be unrealizable illusions. That the Ukrainian government, that the opposition, ready to replace, has neither ideas nor people to offer a distinct course of development of the country. There is only a desire to lean against someone strong and rich, to profit at someone’s expense and at the same time to inflate everyone, to speculate something, to lie in a bad spell, to go to hell or trust, to do something by themselves. Previously, this channel is based on the situation, but now it is not channeling - the situation has changed ...

... What could be in the near future? Yes, anything. Ukraine at the last moment can refuse to sign the Association Agreement and return to the CU. Europe may still blush Ukraine, putting forward more and more overwhelming and overwhelming demands and conditions. Russia, as in the case of the NATO Membership Action Plan in Bucharest in 2008, can leverage its leverage in Europe and thwart the signing of documents in Vilnius. And consequently, the agony will last. And it can take quite a long time.

But the main conclusion is already obvious: Ukraine, as it was, will remain hovering over, as Zhvanetsky said, between the each-another space. She will swing over what is happening back and forth, like a disabled person in a rocking chair on a boardwalk platform in the Pyryta district station building. With each roll, inevitably risking that the platform will not stand and the wheelchair will collapse down. With all non-aromatic effects. And the longer Ukraine will swing back and forth, the more obvious its failure. In the literal and figurative sense ...

That is, you need to be determined. But, on the other hand, how, if in Kiev they are not mentally accustomed to this, and Moscow, Brussels and Washington are all tugging at and dragging the rope, not wanting to see it overflowing around the neck of Ukraine? ..

PS * According to Olga Kryshtanovskaya, director of the Institute of Applied Politics, head of the elite study sector of the Institute of Sociology of the Russian Academy of Sciences (Wikipedia), militocracy reigns in Russia now, since about half of the leadership positions in federal authorities are occupied by security forces (in 1999 this proportion was only 13%).
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  1. +27
    1 August 2013 07: 36
    Too bad the Ukrainians, to be honest. The largest country in Europe lives even worse than the largest country in the world ...
    1. +63
      1 August 2013 07: 56
      I would like to add - it’s a pity for normal Ukrainians, Little Russians, with normal national self-awareness, and I personally am not at all sorry for the dilemming Bandera people. They consciously chose their path and with amazing persistence drive their country into the grave.
      1. +34
        1 August 2013 08: 22
        But I’m somehow tired of feeling sorry for them. 20 years we have been sorry, we endure different tricks and all the time we are talking about some kind of Slavic brotherhood and unity of the people ... And the president chooses the people, the people choose the deputies, the people went to fight for the Georgians too ...
        Ukraine, because of its too big mind (both ours and yours), turned out to be where it turned out.
        1. +30
          1 August 2013 09: 03
          Quote: domokl
          .A president chooses the people

          We must pay tribute, saying that the president became president precisely because he went to the polls with pro-Russian slogans and promises of early integration with Russia. Then, the truth "threw", however, as ours usually.
          And about the warriors on the Georgian side, I completely agree here. Yes, there are a lot of them, and they fought on the side of the Chechen fighters ... Here they would give an order to the special services, so that they would begin to carry out the sentences. Unobtrusively, but systematically.
          1. kavkaz8888
            +5
            1 August 2013 10: 14
            It will be a worthy show of strength
            1. +17
              2 August 2013 19: 44
              hi
              I do not completely agree with the title of the article “Ukraine - Russia: Mutual Failure”.
              Probably, it will be more true "Ukraine - Russia: the collapse of Russian civilization."
              I have a feeling of an approaching catastrophe - the collapse of civilization created by our ancestors over the 7521 years from the Creation of the World, a civilization called Northern or Russian.
              The collapse of the Soviet Union is considered the largest geopolitical catastrophe of the 20th century.
              How then, after realizing what happened, will we call this?
              If now, in 22 of the year, the majority of residents of the republics of the former USSR express the most impartial epithets to Gorbachev, or, more simply, they swear as soon as they can, what will we call those who betrayed the centuries-old aspirations of Russia?
              After all, with one movement of a pen under the agreement on the association of Ukraine with the EU, as from the category of a fraternal country for Russia, Belarus, it will turn into the category of "friendly", i.e. will become an adversary (not an enemy!), like the same Misty Pidrion, for example, or P.indostan
              Or does someone think that after ratification Ukraine will be able to pursue an independent policy or “sit on two chairs” of the EU and the CU at the same time? - Buttocks aren’t wide enough - yes. Gay. European homosexual men are not asleep.
              And after that, will Ukraine return to the historical path of its development?
              Who knows?!
              And if he returns, then the soul of betrayal will still remain ...
        2. +21
          1 August 2013 09: 14
          Ukraine is part of Russia, at least it should be so, rather it will be so. And we have a lot of dissatisfied people, most are for. They are clearer to us than any EU or NATO satellites. To regret not to regret, the question is strange, as Abdulatipov says, "We were fed, but not treated!" it is better to give, as in the proverb, a fishing rod instead of fish, and let the surplus fish sell in the store with the Big Brother will be closely integrated with our economy. Something like this: some details from Ukraine, Belarus and Kazakhstan, the main link is Russia (but there should be alternative supplies in which case). And people are always sorry, they are not to blame that at the helm at different times are traitors, then hypocrites. We are all people and we had this and no one spared us in Europe, there should be a consciousness of unity and indivisibility and actively cultivate this in the minds of our peoples.
        3. +11
          1 August 2013 10: 08
          Things should be called by their proper names, Ukraine is a Political Prostitute. It became such with the help of its politicians, with the consent of the people. They subsidized, subsidized, and what they received in return - spitting and kicks stealthily, assistance to Georgia in the attack on Ossetia. You need to comply with your interests, do not want to in the TS, well, do not, trade your fat in Europe at stations.
          1. rolik
            +18
            1 August 2013 12: 09
            Quote: Alez
            Things should be called by their proper names, Ukraine - Political Prostitute

            And what inheritance did they receive from the Union? remember? Remember how they boasted that they would soon become the richest and most successful in the entire post-Soviet space. How proudly they snorted towards the "damned to her" about cooperation offers. And what did you get in the end? a broken trough, which you yourself cannot glue together. They destroyed absolutely everything, including the roads. What were the quality roads in Ukraine in the recent past, and what they are now.
            1. +15
              1 August 2013 12: 13
              Quote: rolik
              And what inheritance did they receive from the Union? remember? Remember how they boasted that they would soon become the richest and most successful in the entire post-Soviet space. How proudly they snorted towards the "damned to her" about cooperation offers. And what did you get in the end? a broken trough, which you yourself cannot glue together. They destroyed absolutely everything, including the roads. What were the quality roads in Ukraine in the recent past, and what they are now.

              I recalled the topic from the movie!
            2. S_mirnov
              +25
              1 August 2013 15: 49
              "And what inheritance did they receive from the Union? Do you remember? Remember how they boasted that they would soon become the richest and most successful in the entire post-Soviet space." -
              -And we? Better chtoli.
              I don’t understand people's expectations at all. Well, why should the crooks and thieves of Ukraine (the Ukrainian elite) unite with the Russian crooks? Each has his own piece of land, his own population, and they milk it! Well, at least one reason to name?
              Everything that the people of both countries wants is understandable, but the people, neither in Ukraine nor in the Russian Federation, influence the authorities.
              1. +1
                2 August 2013 22: 19
                Quote: S_mirnov

                Everything that the people of both countries wants is understandable, but the people, neither in Ukraine nor in the Russian Federation, influence the authorities.




                not so simple, americos in the Odessa club, but they play shitty.
                1. +1
                  2 August 2013 22: 44
                  I understand quiet guy, you don’t like the video, I don’t like it either, but it is.

                  "Bloodhound Gang is due to perform in Russia at the KUBANA festival, which is taking place in the vicinity of Anapa."
                  along the way to us they go to Russia if they let them in
              2. rolik
                +1
                4 August 2013 17: 27
                Quote: S_mirnov
                -And we? Better chtoli

                And we did not boast. We stupidly tolerated the Alconaut in power, although it was necessary to take up the pitchforks, and the armies for automatic weapons. Remember how they roamed over our army. When the slope from the army became the top of honor. I hope that these times will not return.
                So we did not boast. They did not call the neighbors of the Ukrainians lazy alcoholics.
                Perhaps that is why now there is such a difference between our countries. Time has put everything in its place. With almost the same starting baggage, where is Ukraine now .... right, exactly there.
                But now, this concerns the Ukrainians, do not shout that we got all the oil, gas and much more. Oil and gas have been left to us by nature, we have not stolen them from anyone.
            3. anarch
              +2
              1 August 2013 22: 39
              Quote: rolik
              What were the quality roads in Ukraine in the recent past, and what are now.

              Looks like a long time ago in the Crimea did not visit.
              From Kharkov such a magnificent road has recently been built.
              I admit that it’s not the only one. I just haven’t traveled further in recent history, but I really hope in the near future.
              1. rolik
                -2
                4 August 2013 17: 19
                Quote: anarh
                Looks like a long time ago in the Crimea did not visit.

                On August 17, I’m driving my dad to Bulgaria in my car. I’ll take my son from my grandfather, soon to school, and we ourselves will rest for 2 weeks. The route runs through the territory of Independence. It was the last time in Crimea in the 94th. But in that Ukraine, which I’m going to go now, these are exactly the roads. Do not believe? Take a trip about check.
          2. +7
            1 August 2013 17: 26
            + 100. Unfortunately I have to agree and support.
          3. anarch
            +5
            1 August 2013 22: 30
            Quote: Alez
            Things should be called by their proper names, Ukraine is a Political Prostitute.

            These things smell even worse than Bandera.
            As they say, do not confuse horseradish with a finger.
            And Ukraine with politicians temporarily in power.
            1. Gadsnz
              +2
              2 August 2013 09: 58
              Totally agree!
        4. kavkaz8888
          +21
          1 August 2013 10: 12
          Plus, with one question: why, people really choose rulers ???
          1. +15
            1 August 2013 14: 05
            Offset. The people are the background of "elections". Almost nothing depends on him.
            1. +2
              2 August 2013 13: 42
              Offset. The people are the background of "elections". Almost nothing depends on him.

              I don’t agree. When we talk about how the cities of Germany were bombed, how the Germans were driven out of their homes by millions, how they took away vast territories from her, it’s the people’s fault. After all, they chose Hitler. And Ukraine, no?
        5. +18
          1 August 2013 10: 13
          Quote: domokl
          And the president chooses the people

          the fact of the matter is that the extreme president of Ukraine went to the polls as about the Russian one. the fact that then the direction of the president’s policy changed - the people are not to blame ...
          deputies are chosen by the people

          alas and ah. people do not elect deputies. no, they formally vote for one or another party, but they understand perfectly well - having the necessary connections and a certain amount of cash, it’s quite possible to get the coveted crust of a deputy ...
          people went to fight for Georgians too

          well, not only Ukrainians, but also many others (including Russian citizens) go to fight for Georgians (and not only for them). because often material values ​​are higher than moral ...
          so it’s not so simple in this matter ... and solving all the problematic issues in relations between Russia and Ukraine is not an easy task request
          1. Malleus
            +23
            1 August 2013 11: 16
            "Well, not only Ukrainians go to fight for Georgians (and not only for them), but also many others (including citizens of Russia)."
            no need to "translate the arrows" - here we are talking about the Ukrainians, at the moment.
            And none of them ever concealed the opinion and general attitude of the "brothers-khokhlov" (namely the people). I remember very well the moment of the collapse of the USSR - excited separatists ran around the school barracks and discussed excitedly: hurray, we separated, we are going home, now we will live. And now before my eyes smiling grins five minutes ago, brothers in arms - sho m.skol.y, die of hunger dogs; Enough for us to feed the Rus!
            And it was the people, the best of the best - the failed officers of the USSR! Have you eaten?
            1. +15
              1 August 2013 11: 28
              Quote: Malleus
              I remember very well the moment of the collapse of the USSR - excited samostics ran around the school barracks and discussed excitedly: cheers, separated, we go home, now we will live.

              But I remember the other side, when at 92 I came to the Odessa region to see my cousins, the groom of one of them, a cadet, told how they hung Russian tricolors from the windows in the school on "Ukrainen" in the barracks.
              1. Malleus
                +16
                1 August 2013 11: 44
                Well, I have not forgotten that from this nationalist crowd (running around the barracks) in a year or two, the MOST by hook or by crook made their way into the RF Armed Forces !!! For the salary of a lieutenant in Ukraine "feeding everyone and everything" could only buy two American chocolates and a little butter. Some of them had to fight. But ... there was a residue. Even the BELIEF.
                1. +11
                  1 August 2013 11: 56
                  Quote: Malleus
                  But ... there was a sediment. Even the DECLINE.

                  This is our national tragedy, we cannot, forget it for nothing.
                  And our duty, if we remember this and have not reconciled, is to do what depends on us in order to fix this. hi
                  "The border of Ukraine and Russia, this is our Berlin Wall." (FROM)
                  1. Malleus
                    +1
                    1 August 2013 12: 03
                    “This is our national tragedy, we cannot forget it for nothing.
                    And our duty, if we remember this, is to do what depends on us in order to fix it "

                    It’s just wonderful - they spat at us and spit, shot and shoot, we were crap and crap. And the tragedy is just that, OUR.
                    And again, for some reason, US has a DUTY - to wipe the priests of ungrateful stinks of all stripes?
                    1. +10
                      1 August 2013 12: 06
                      Quote: Malleus
                      And again, for some reason, US has a DUTY - to wipe the priests of ungrateful stinks of all stripes?

                      Do not interfere with the traitors with our compatriots TAM and relatives, and there are not few such TAMs, about 50%.
                      1. Malleus
                        +3
                        1 August 2013 12: 13
                        Quote: ATATA
                        Quote: Malleus
                        And again, for some reason, US has a DUTY - to wipe the priests of ungrateful stinks of all stripes?

                        Do not interfere with the traitors with our compatriots TAM and relatives, and there are not few such TAMs, about 50%.

                        Alexey, I don’t interfere. I'm not fifteen years old. The best sidekick is Khohol Chernigivsky, wife of Ukrainian roots.
                        About the other, I ...
                      2. +3
                        1 August 2013 12: 30
                        I read part of the comments and in general it is clear that the Russian people are already tired of looking at Ukrainian masturbation.
                        Ukraine has a choice and we don’t care about it anymore, our little brothers are tired of their schizophrenia.
                      3. +3
                        1 August 2013 12: 37
                        Quote: Alexander Romanov
                        The Russian people are already tired of looking at Ukrainian masturbation.


                        It became deeply indifferent. When I come to my small homeland (Crimea): my eyes with drag: "Well, when will you leave us alone?" oh how! And when Russians don't go to Crimea: "When will Moscow go?" eat then hunting.
                      4. +3
                        5 August 2013 01: 32
                        Quote: seller trucks
                        when will you leave us alone? "Oh, how! And when the Russians do not go to Crimea:" when will Moscow go? "

                        And then ...
                        Pennies - here, you - there ...
                        And so it would be all nelalEzhuyu life ... laughing
                      5. +10
                        1 August 2013 14: 07
                        They have one choice ...
                2. DmitriRazumov
                  +4
                  2 August 2013 12: 46
                  Quote: Malleus
                  Well, I have not forgotten that from this nationalist crowd (running around the barracks) in a year or two, the MOST by hook or by crook made their way into the RF Armed Forces !!! For the salary of a lieutenant in Ukraine "feeding everyone and everything" could only buy two American chocolates and a little butter.

                  In the videoconferencing, there were also such "lost" ones. received free excellent engineering education in Leningrad (VKA named after Mozhaisky), and then decided to serve their historical homeland. In Ukraine, Kravchuk privatized 3 NIPA (scientific measuring points) and declared an independent space power. As a result, the most complex equipment in 1-1 years turned into a heap of scrap metal, and officers from the independent army were fired.
                  Those who did not fool, and remained in the service of the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation, made careers over time, got apartments in good places, now have decent pensions and work. Example: commander of the East Kazakhstan region, Major General Alexander Golovko.
              2. samosa4.11.90
                +13
                1 August 2013 11: 52
                In Germany (WGV), in 1992, in our unit, after raising the tricolor on the unit's flagpole. many officers, originally from Ukraine, began to wear yellow-blakite flags (badges) on the back of the tunic's lapel (a secret society for independence). So after being withdrawn to the Union (sorry to Ukraine), five of them ended up with me in one unit and after 8 months with words and thoughts - "let this independence go" they wrote a report and left to serve in Russia (not home). So much for patriotism.
                1. Malleus
                  +3
                  1 August 2013 12: 07
                  samosa 4.11.90 - "in the bull's-eye", Andrey!
                  only to these "bros" patriotism is not applicable, as a term in general.
                  They themselves noticed - "Ukrainians live in Ukraine; ho.hol lives where he feels good." This is "hoh.lysm".
                  1. Avenger711
                    +1
                    1 August 2013 13: 30
                    Just the opposite.
            2. FATEMOGAN
              +6
              1 August 2013 12: 41
              Quote: Malleus
              "Well, not only Ukrainians go to fight for Georgians (and not only for them), but also many others (including citizens of Russia)." There is no need to "translate the arrows" - here we are talking about the Ukrainians, at the moment.


              Whether about the Ukrainians, Bendera, fascists from one-unso traveled.
              1. Yoshkin Kot
                -1
                2 August 2013 18: 18
                they are precisely ukrointsy, in contrast to the Little Russians-hoh.lo.v.v.
            3. +13
              1 August 2013 12: 59
              Quote: Malleus
              no need to "translate the arrows" - here we are talking about the Ukrainians, at the moment

              "translation of the arrows" has nothing to do with it - since talking, then talking to the end. otherwise it turns out h.o.h.l. you are to blame and no one else ...

              Quote: Malleus
              excited schoolboys ran around the school barracks and discussed excitedly: cheers, separated, we went home, now we’ll live

              ran and rejoiced because of their "closeness" and shortsightedness ... so to speak, the first fruits of democratization in Soviet society on the basis of glasnost "without brakes." and how could these yellow-hearted youths know (even just guess) how all this would turn out. a breath of freedom clouded the young brain ... I in no way justify the nationalists (regardless of the country of residence), but I wrote, I write and I will write - you should not judge the people by a handful of nationalists. similar can be found in ANY country hi
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                1. +1
                  1 August 2013 16: 26
                  Quote: Malleus
                  Who else besides the kh.okh.lov is to blame for the fact that they (kh.okh.ly) were "in the Georgian trenches"?

                  see comments above request
              2. Yoshkin Kot
                0
                2 August 2013 18: 19
                and gentlemen Kaganovich seems to have nothing to do with it?
          2. 0
            2 August 2013 13: 47
            because often material values ​​are higher than moral ...

            Again, I disagree! I myself saw on TV how the valiant Ukrainian soldier talked about his exploits. He insisted on his convictions! He was born to shoot at the Russians, and he got money by a phalos.
        6. +28
          1 August 2013 10: 36
          Quote: domokl
          .A president chooses the people

          elects the president!
          in Ukraine there are a lot of good people.
          and in power, like ours, are rogues and hucksters.
          if there were no oil and gas, then we would be sitting in the same jo!
        7. +4
          1 August 2013 12: 53
          Quote: domokl
          Ukraine, because of its too big mind (both ours and yours), turned out to be where it turned out.

          Alexander, hi ! We love our neighbors more and more ... as we move away. (E. Kashcheev)
          1. +3
            1 August 2013 15: 46
            Quote: Tersky
            ! We love our neighbors more and more ... as we move away. (E. Kashcheev)

            Victor categorically drinks It seems to me that I already fell in love ... Is it old age or political-nationalistic impotence? I somehow became completely indifferent to Ukraine and Ukrainians. Approximately to the Baltic states or Poles .. Well, there are some who periodically train, but in general - empty a place...
        8. +2
          2 August 2013 15: 13
          Quote: domokl
          And the president chooses the people, the people chooses the deputies

          Do you, dear, know how elections pass or so blurted ??
          Every election in Ukraine is held almost under Russian slogans. We are with Russia! The same Yanukovych was almost hoarse to shout what a lover of Russia he is. But the elections are held and the real face of the candidate appears !!!
          1. +3
            5 August 2013 01: 36
            Quote: APASUS
            Every election in Ukraine is held almost under Russian slogans. We are with Russia! The same Yanukovych was almost hoarse screaming what a lover of Russia he is

            It is necessary to learn from the "mattress makers" - to promise EVERYTHING, and not to give ANYTHING except promises laughing
        9. fedot.uncle
          0
          4 August 2013 15: 00
          I agree completely. What snot there can be with those who have elected outright fascists to parliament, and two more factions are universal Russophobes. Why pity the crumbling territory, where the graves of soldiers of the two world wars are trampled upon, where Russophobia has become the main state ideology, where every semi-literate little child the announcer will surely say something nasty to Russia. Every day in Ukraine, every event in Ukrainian-Russian relations is presented exclusively in the spirit of confrontation. Let them go to Europe, the ladies have long been awaited by the heirs of the owners of "factories, newspapers, ships." And in vain in Lviv they burned the state archive, all documents and claims will be presented.
      2. +13
        1 August 2013 13: 43
        Here we will take normal people to ourselves. But we will leave the Zapadents to the West ... The return of Ukraine as a whole is absolutely impossible, and the point is not in Yanukovych, Yushchenko and other similar garbage. The point is self-awareness, in the most ordinary people. Very heavy burden of anger, hatred, envy at last. And they don’t have an outcome, because these feelings are unfair. If there is real guilt, there is a measure for her. And then you can survive something, for some reason ask for forgiveness, something to take or give. And live on ...
        But if malice is just malice - there is no outcome. There is no outcome in Bandera's hatred; you can only drive these people away from yourself and be prepared for stabs in the back. Well, the loss is not great in general ...
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    2. 0
      2 August 2013 10: 50
      The largest country in Europe, Russia.
    3. Hunghuz
      0
      2 August 2013 17: 15
      hi If a Latvian has * oh yes a soul, then Ukrov besides nmazalezhny Svidomitstva in the spirit of a clear-minded pannage ANYTHING .........)))))))
  2. +8
    1 August 2013 07: 50
    It also seems to me that no obvious actions are being taken to return Ukraine, because the Russian government, headed by the president, has taken a wait and see attitude. The European Union will eat Ukraine, well no, the same is not bad. In the first case, I agree with the author that the Russian Federation will get what remains of Ukraine, most likely it will be the south of Ukraine, right-bank Ukraine, and of course the Crimea. In the second case, all the problems of Ukraine that the EU can get will go along with Ukraine to the Russian Federation. It is possible that the division of Ukraine will follow the Abkhazian and Ossetian scenarios. It's a pity for the people of Ukraine, especially for those who understand what is happening, where they are being pulled (into bondage) and what can come of it. We must forget for all the insults that were made during the time of "joint management" and take up a new device of joint management, with an eye to the past, so as not to repeat mistakes.
    1. +5
      1 August 2013 08: 02
      Quote: sasha.28blaga
      Eat the EU, Ukraine, well, no, the same is not bad.

      what does it mean to eat? they climb there themselves, strenuously kicking themselves away from customs and other unions.
      1. +3
        1 August 2013 10: 19
        how would you answer, that would not be very clever by. Prepare himself a "sandwich" in the form of economic conditions and eat, like other states that keep afloat for the alms of the EU.
      2. +12
        1 August 2013 11: 49
        Quote: Fofan
        they climb there themselves, strenuously kicking themselves away from customs and other unions.

        You might think that the people are asking someone! Tears "top and hefty svidomye." But a referendum on this issue is not allowed to be held. Just like in the Russian language, when Yushchenko was still, the communists collected 4 million signatures for holding a referendum on Russian, the second state language. Well, Victor was the first to put these papers under the cloth, and Victor the second did not bother to get them (he hid them even deeper).
      3. +3
        1 August 2013 14: 20
        This is their choice!!!!
    2. -6
      1 August 2013 08: 30
      Quote: sasha.28blaga
      Eat the EU, Ukraine, well, no, the same is not bad.

      Too much in this position if ... And the EU and the CU are now well aware that in any situation Ukraine will get more problems than any positives, which means it’s easier to solve the issue by the Ukrainians themselves.
      Now part of Ukraine is pro-Western, part pro-Russian. And part (no matter how Ukrainians protest) is nationally Tatar. In autumn, the EU will issue even more humiliating requirements for Ukraine and signing will not take place. Ukrainians will make an insulted person and go on thinking further. TS, in turn, will also put forward a number of requirements (not Putin, but Lukashenko first of all) and will not give any status ..
      And then-tear up the elections in the country.
      And ideally, the disintegration into two three parts. The West goes to Romania (the old Romanians dream), the east - to Russia. The Crimea becomes an independent republic.
      1. +16
        1 August 2013 08: 44
        Quote: domokl
        Crimea becomes an independent republic.

        How simple it is for you!
        With which Crimea is independent, is there a majority of Tatars ?!
        And the Russians in Crimea, and Odessa?
        1. -7
          1 August 2013 08: 50
          Quote: ATATA
          How simple it is for you!

          And where did you read that the Crimea will become Tatar? I wrote, INDEPENDENT.
          1. +3
            1 August 2013 08: 52
            Quote: domokl
            And where did you read that the Crimea will become Tatar? I wrote, INDEPENDENT.

            And for what? A game of sovereignty?
            Raise local princes like rabbits?
            1. -12
              1 August 2013 09: 03
              Quote: ATATA
              And for what? A game of sovereignty?

              Russia can annex Ukrainian territories only at the request of the population. And if the eastern part can vote for Russia, then Crimea is a big question. By the way, you don’t take into account the Tatars in vain. They are few, but they will win the battle themselves.
              1. +9
                1 August 2013 10: 09
                Quote: domokl
                in the battle himself on themselves they will win

                And by FAMILY seen.
                Quote: domokl
                Russia can annex Ukrainian territories only at the request of the population

                We will not annex them, but simply return them to where their home is, to Russia.
                To be honest, I'm just amazed at you! belay
                How to take and present your ancestral territories together with OUR people to Kiev hetmans and zapadenskie panam?
                How can this be taken and left to the mercy of Bendera’s 20 million compatriots ?!
                Just do not write here that this is their choice.
                We all know well what this choice is.
                They have only one choice: to arrange a revolution and a civil war, naturally people are afraid of this and suffer, and in the meantime, young people are rewarded with brains in schools and universities.
                Who asked them, when the USSR was destroyed, where do they want to live in Russia, or in "Ukrainen"?
                As Lenin ran a finger along the map, they shrugged it off.
                This is some kind of nonsense, the Communists, this is bad, but the borders that they drew are good.
                All this looks like some sort of wiring. Drugs are not allowed, but only vodka is allowed.

                And on Ukrainian forums, by the way, about the war between Ukraine and Russia, the joke is in full swing: "When will you conquer us ?!"
                1. 0
                  1 August 2013 12: 59
                  Quote: ATATA
                  We will not annex them, but simply return them to where their home is, to Russia.

                  laughing And what is the name of such a return ... just laughing
                2. +5
                  2 August 2013 13: 54
                  Who asked them, when the USSR was destroyed, where do they want to live in Russia, or in "Ukrainen"?

                  And not only there! Millions of Russian people (like me in Frunze) woke up in the 91st in another country. Who asked us?
                  1. +3
                    5 August 2013 01: 39
                    Quote: zennon
                    asked? spit!

                    10500 + !!!
              2. 0
                1 August 2013 10: 25
                I agree, they can defeat themselves.
              3. biglow
                +9
                1 August 2013 11: 22
                Quote: domokl
                Quote: ATATA
                And for what? A game of sovereignty?

                Russia can annex Ukrainian territories only at the request of the population. And if the eastern part can vote for Russia, then Crimea is a big question. By the way, you don’t take into account the Tatars in vain. They are few, but they will win the battle themselves.

                Tatars in Crimea are only 10 percent. This is less than in any national republic in Russia. And the Tatars are not a monolith at all. Most of them want and strive to live in cities just like the Russians live. In several Tatar schools there is occupancy, but the queue is not worth it. Most want their children to study with Russian. And any people have marginals ..
              4. +7
                1 August 2013 11: 51
                Quote: domokl
                There are few of them, but they themselves will win the battle on their own.

                And also "brothers in faith" - from Turkey and others will help. Here it will be very tough to work out.
                1. biglow
                  +4
                  1 August 2013 12: 37
                  Quote: Egoza
                  Quote: domokl
                  There are few of them, but they themselves will win the battle on their own.

                  And also "brothers in faith" - from Turkey and others will help. Here it will be very tough to work out.

                  Turks look at Tatars as at the second grade, and the opposite attitude is the same. Not so simple in the kingdom of Denmark ...
                  1. +3
                    1 August 2013 15: 31
                    Tatars Turks unnecessary freeloaders
                    Crimea come in handy
                2. +2
                  1 August 2013 15: 51
                  Quote: Egoza
                  And also "brothers in faith" - from Turkey and others will help. Here it will be very tough to work out.

                  This and that. Apart from the Tatars in Crimea, no one (including nationalists) has real camps for training militants who really drew instructors and field commanders. Percentage of the population is a fairy tale to appease the people. A well-trained group can take almost any city of Crimea with the help of a couple of three companies. except maybe Sevastopol.
              5. rolik
                +12
                1 August 2013 12: 14
                Quote: domokl
                Russia can annex Ukrainian territories only at the request of the population

                It is done very simply, Russian passports are issued to those who wish. And those who want, something tells me, there will be a lot)))))
          2. +4
            1 August 2013 10: 24
            And independent Crimea will become even more difficult than the Tatar.
        2. +5
          1 August 2013 10: 23
          That's right you say. Crimea as Tatar as Crimea will be allowed to be Tatar. The same applies to the pro-Western part of Ukraine.
      2. +2
        1 August 2013 09: 04
        Quote: domokl
        And ideally, the disintegration into two three parts. The West goes to Romania (the old Romanians dream), the east - to Russia. The Crimea becomes an independent republic.

        Since the western part of the Romanian cygans is the Crimea and the Turks (also a long-standing dream and resentment).
        But in essence: Romanians, Turks and the EU are not small and will kiss themselves .... in a famous place!
      3. +2
        1 August 2013 09: 12
        Quote: domokl
        Crimea becomes an independent republic.
        Or maybe the Land of Franz Joseph is better?
        1. +4
          1 August 2013 09: 19
          Quote: a52333
          Or maybe the Land of Franz Joseph is better?

          laughing laughing Such an experiment had already been conducted at one time with one of the nationalities in Berebidzhan. Some percentage remained, and the majority escaped in the ass lol
      4. rolik
        +6
        1 August 2013 12: 11
        Quote: domokl
        .Krym becomes an independent republic.

        Here about the Crimea still need to think. Sevastopol is a native Russian city, and this is what we must proceed from. And the fact that the maize introduced him to the Ukrainian Republic does not mean anything. Not on Senka hat was.
        1. +2
          1 August 2013 15: 56
          Quote: rolik
          Sevastopol is a native Russian city, and this is what we must proceed from. And the fact that the maize introduced him to the Ukrainian Republic does not mean anything.

          In the event that events develop according to a tough scenario (I mean the collapse of the country) Russia, of course, will keep Sevastopol behind it. The Black Sea Fleet will have enough forces for this. But legally it will be difficult to argue with the Turks. Anyway, we refused Crimea in favor Ukraine, and therefore the Russian-Turkish agreement on the peninsula, has lost force ...
          In short, a serious mess may arise ...
          1. +2
            1 August 2013 16: 10
            But legally it will be difficult to argue with the Turks. Whatever you may say, we abandoned Crimea in favor of Ukraine, which means that the Russian-Turkish agreement on the peninsula has lost force ...
            In short, a serious mess may arise ...

            And what about the Turks? We refused in favor of Ukraine, but not in favor of Turkey. Why did the Russian-Turkish treaty lose force? Then Ukraine was not yet.
            So the Turks will break off. If only to them Ukraine will not give Crimea from a sore point.
          2. rolik
            +5
            1 August 2013 16: 47
            Quote: domokl
            . But legally it will be difficult to argue with the Turks. Whatever one may say, we abandoned Crimea in favor of Ukraine, which means that the Russian-Turkish agreement on the peninsula has lost force ...

            Unless, of course, the Turks begin to make complaints. That is the question. But before that, I think, Erdogash will think about this several times.
            1. +3
              1 August 2013 16: 57
              He has so many problems that he can’t get to the Crimea, here he would have to save his country whole and not have to think about increment, the Kurds, Syrians, 80 million hungry Egyptians are not jokes, because they will come to devour all the grass and tear off a piece of territory.
          3. +3
            5 August 2013 01: 40
            Quote: domokl
            will keep Sevastopol

            Crimean "Guantanamo" ....
    3. kavkaz8888
      +15
      1 August 2013 10: 21
      The EU does not have enough to chew its teeth. Another thing is interesting. To paint the Internet, the impression is that Ukraine has already been divided. And everyone is waiting ...
      It’s sad that the Little Russians themselves forgot to ask
      ZY I will be sincerely glad if over time it becomes clear that I am mistaken.
      The third time in 2 days picture

      The topic is close because I myself am a quarter Ukrainian for a quarter Belarus
      1. Serafim1983
        +3
        1 August 2013 10: 53
        They understand this very well and some of them interfere with the malicious malicious merging !!!
      2. rolik
        +2
        1 August 2013 12: 18
        Quote: kavkaz8888
        The EU does not have enough to chew its teeth

        The only thing they need is to stop the possible expansion of Russia, to limit us in the development and economic development of new territories. Like a dog in the manger, I myself don’t eat and I won’t give others.
      3. Yoshkin Kot
        +1
        2 August 2013 18: 26
        100% Russian bully
    4. FATEMOGAN
      +5
      1 August 2013 13: 03
      Quote: sasha.28blaga
      It also seems to me that no explicit action is being taken to return Ukraine


      They have already explained the benefits of Ukraine from joining the CU on paper and on fingers, I’m not talking about a common civilization and the choice of our ancestors 1025 years ago, what else did Putin have to do - to dance publicly and then knock on his knees in front of Yanukovych with the words - sorry dad zasra-nza ??? Yanukovych is working out his 30 euro-silver coins, so he does not have to expect anything good from our peoples. The only thing Russia could do and didn’t seem to do was to fully fund, truly pro-Russian forces in Ukraine.


  3. +3
    1 August 2013 07: 53
    In relation to the countries mentioned in the article, there is something blowing in such a way that it seems as if the reader is in the Pyriatinsky station toilet. Ukraine has a choice. And whatever it may be - this should not affect the people who live in Russia and Ukraine. We, the Russians, must and will respect this choice. But we still hope that this choice will be a vehicle. So many years lived together !!! Our ancestors could not be mistaken !!!
    1. AVV
      +6
      1 August 2013 08: 51
      Actually, this is the choice of the Ukrainian elite, and no one asked, or rather, when conducting a referendum on the preservation of the Soviet Union, which showed the Union to be! But no one paid any attention to the results from the Ukrainian elite, like the Russian one, because that the wishes of the elite were above the aspirations of the people, here is the answer !!!
  4. +16
    1 August 2013 07: 55
    I don’t understand, comrades Ukrainians, of course you call - but I show how I see everything.
    Act 1.
    Ukraine - Russia, sell gas at a low price, after all fraternal peoples.
    Russia - Well, chatted the little devil.

    Act 2.
    Russia - Ukraine, let's fraternally after the USSR, you have a lot of gas left and transit to Europe, and a base in Sevastopol (etc.) Give me a discount.
    Ukraine - We are not one. We are an independent state. Fuck you, not fat.

    These acts are repeated indefinitely. Here now:
    Russia - Ukraine, come on to the Customs Union, still lived before under one roof and all that. What for you in the EU? Our gas will be cheaper.
    Ukraine - Not in the EU is better, but let us be on you.
    Russia - You already decide either there or here.
    Ukraine - Well, I want both here and there.
    Russia - Then do not be offended that they will ask from somewhere.

    That's how I see it all.
    1. +7
      1 August 2013 10: 30
      Therefore, I consider the policy pursued by the Russian Federation towards Ukraine to be correct, and the demand, you know, for "either me or not me" will sooner or later.
    2. thirst
      0
      4 August 2013 00: 34
      And here is how I see it:

      1 Act
      Your Gas bought by Ukraine in Germany is 40 bucks cheaper than "Bratsk"
      2 Act
      The price for the Black Sea Fleet in Crimea has not risen since 1997. The contract is like that.
      An act to infinity ...
      1, What do you have to go to you? The rule of law? Freedom (choice, press, assembly? Everyone lives Rich? The Russian world? Moscow-Caucasian-Central Asian capital? Orthodoxy with a watch on his wrist at $ 0000000 million? What? Authority is not in the "money" and not in the rattling of rusty weapons. And the question is not where Ukraine wants to, but that I WANT TO LIVE NORMALNO. So that the police and the army would protect, medicine would heal, the salary was enough for a normal life, etc. etc. And so that you personally would not have any illusions from of the most "objective" ORT channel in the world, come to visit, for two weeks.
      And yet, the tone of the author of this opus is suitable only for toilet paper.
      If we are "half-starved" and poor, as you think, then at least not on our knees. And I wish you to get up from your knees, wash, clean up the hut, drive out the moonshine to bake a loaf, and then invite you to visit.
      With respect to all the RUSSIAN PEOPLE!
      Russian by nationality, but by citizenship Ukrainian
      PS I am not "Russian speaking"
      1. +3
        5 August 2013 01: 47
        Quote: sed
        Your Gas bought by Ukraine in Germany is 40 bucks cheaper than "Bratsk"

        For what "beautiful places" Germany makes a discount to Ukraine for Russian gas? For the fact that after joining the EU it will "win back" everything before "pfenning" and with GOOD interest and dividends.
        You guys have today's 2 percent profit overshadowing tomorrow's disaster.
  5. +17
    1 August 2013 07: 59
    And the longer Ukraine will swing back and forth, the more obvious its failure. In the literal and figurative sense ...

    It's a shame for the simple Ukrainian people. A bunch of ruling idiots fool destroy the country.
    1. +3
      1 August 2013 08: 34
      Quote: Good
      It's a shame for the simple Ukrainian people

      And who elected this bunch of idiots for the presidency? How is it that we get interesting ... The people are sorry, but the will of the people is such that they want to live that way ... And Maidan showed it ... and the elections
      1. +8
        1 August 2013 09: 13
        Quote: domokl
        And who elected this bunch of idiots for the presidency? How is it that we get interesting ... The people are sorry, but the will of the people is such that they want to live that way ... And Maidan showed it ... and the elections

        Do you believe so sacredly in "ELECTION"?
        "Selectable" is always needed for 2%.
        In Russia, mayors of cities and deputies of all stripes are now "elected".
        And there are many in these "servants of the people" honest-good-fighting for the people-not liars?
        1. +5
          1 August 2013 09: 23
          Quote: Papakiko
          Do you believe so sacredly in "ELECTION"?

          I’m a completely pragmatic person and I only believe that I’ll try it myself. However, where do you get so many nationalists in Ukraine from local deputies, even in the East? In the Rada? You don’t have to think that such a position as yours is yours ... Any the elections, from the point of view of the losers, are a complete deception. And already on the following observers there are so many that they will not push through.
          1. +4
            1 August 2013 10: 21
            Quote: domokl
            However, where in Ukraine are so many nationalists

            Do not distort the Russian language for the sake of oranzhetagam.
            I traveled to Belarus under the USSR, and with independence I will go to Ukraine.
            You can’t go to the outskirts of the city. I went to the outskirts.
            1. -4
              1 August 2013 15: 59
              Quote: ATATA
              Do not distort the Russian language for the sake of oranzhetagam.

              This is not a twang of the tongue, this is a usual respect for another people. And in your case, the outskirts are all that are not in the center? We Siberians are also out of the blue ... What kind of outfit is it. So what?
              1. 0
                2 August 2013 08: 07
                Quote: domokl
                This is not a twinkle of language, it is the usual respect for another people.

                And where does the respect? This is the rule of the Russian language.
                In general, in your opinion, it turns out that we do not respect the Cubans at all.
                Because we always fly TO CUBA.
                And by the way In Siberia I have been the same. hi Relatives live near Novosib.
                By the way, do you respect Mazepa too?
                Quote: domokl
                And in your case, the outskirts are all that are not in the center? We Siberians are also out of the blue ... What kind of outfit is it. So what?

                Today you do not cease to amaze me. They called themselves somehow and were offended by me?
                I actually live now In the Uralsso yes I live in the center. laughing
                Pretext B and ON has nothing to do with respect, these are the rules.
          2. +1
            1 August 2013 10: 34
            Ukraine is a small state in comparison with the Russian Federation, so the number of nationalists there can be seen better than in the Russian Federation. But in the Russian Federation, too, they have enough.
          3. +1
            2 August 2013 11: 25
            Quote: domokl
            However, where in Ukraine are there so many nationalists in local deputies, even in the East? In the Rada?

            If you pay normal $ for doing nothing, for which you need to shout the right words in the right places with the right banners, and perhaps apply a certain amount of the necessary force, then I think that even you will retrain into a "Nazi".
            Not really examples of Egypt, Libya, Syria are not enough to understand that in every state there is 2% who doesn’t let in the feeder, gives it to another 2-5% take a sip. And there is a huge 85% of the people who inhabit the country, which, if properly exposed, can be directed in the right direction. This is not counting the impact of external factors, namely other states with geopolitical ambitions of the ruling caste. hi
            1. +1
              2 August 2013 12: 42
              in Libya, people didn’t live very poorly. But despite this, they managed to find a certain number of people who plunged into their country into the abyss. As they say, money does not smell, although sometimes the stench of this money is intolerable to the extent impossible. So who he pays and orders the music.
      2. +6
        1 August 2013 10: 32
        This group of idiots was chosen not by the people, but by capital. The words of amers "if you are so smart, why are you so poor"; Lenin's words "democracy is the power of the bourgeoisie".
      3. +2
        3 August 2013 00: 23
        Isn’t it funny for you yourself? What did the Maidan show? Is it that all the people stood there? I waited every day: well, when will Kuchma disperse him? I haven’t dispersed the result!
  6. +2
    1 August 2013 08: 03
    from the Don.
    Apparently, the Geyropean: values: preserving the oligarchy, pressure from the Westerners, prevail over the pragmatic development of relations with the Russian Federation and the CU! Well, apparently Ukraine needs to go through the abyss. At least we offered a helping hand, but it was rejected . Forcibly sweet will not be!
    1. +1
      1 August 2013 08: 37
      Quote: borisjdin1957
      apparently Ukraine needs to go through the abyss

      Having some mountain training, I’ll say, the abyss does not go ... They fall into the abyss and rarely survive afterwards ...
      1. +3
        1 August 2013 10: 35
        I do not have mountain training, but I know that through the abyss you can direct a hinged crossing.
        1. +1
          1 August 2013 13: 01
          Quote: sasha.28blaga
          through the abyss you can direct the hinged crossing.

          You can .. Just for this you need to decide which way the bridge should be pulled ... But this is already the third decade that Ukrainians can’t do
  7. +1
    1 August 2013 08: 04
    "In other words, Putin's pragmatism, under which cheap energy and gas and petrodollars - like a fool wrappers, replayed initially and now the beggar replayes Ukrainian pragmatism....."- many such phrases spoil the perception of this article.
    The feast of the Baptism of Rus, a single history of the fleet - as another reminder of the proximity of the peoples of our countries. Are you tired of negotiating "to talk"? It is high time to decide. All the admonitions have long been spoken! Not convinced? Well ... then it remains "on equal terms" with the gayropean "partners" at least to try to live, to trade with everyone on the same basis, including the eastern neighbor. The last hope for comprehension.
  8. +9
    1 August 2013 08: 15
    If you read the Ukrainian press, you endure only one persistent sensation from what you read - everything is OK with them! And not only that - it all continues to improve. So: do not panic. But seriously, I can say one thing: it’s a pity to tears that we were disconnected. Artificially, forcefully, brazenly ...
    I watched joint demonstrations on the day of the Navy in Sevastopol! Here, WHERE is our potential for unification !! Someone must take on historical responsibility. Politicians can't? Then a word to you OFFICERS! And the people will support. Fantasy of course ... A pity ...
    1. +2
      1 August 2013 08: 26
      Quote: retired
      If you read the Ukrainian press, you endure only one persistent sensation from what you read - everything is OK with them!

      ... as in that song about the Marquis "Everything is fine ... everything is fine, beautiful marquise, but only now ..."
    2. +3
      1 August 2013 21: 03
      Yuri, everyone saw the broadcast. Perceived differently
  9. +1
    1 August 2013 08: 17
    Apparently, Yanukovych made his choice, although I strongly doubt that this choice coincides with what the people of Ukraine would choose if they were asked what naturally no one would do. And this choice is clearly not in favor of Russia. Well, and accordingly, no one else will clatter. Well, the process has begun. We started small. With sweets and flour. It's a pity, of course, the Roche sweets are very tasty, but we have enough of our own confectionery factories. And there are a lot of good bakeries. So, in principle, we don't care , but the Ukrainian authorities began to stir. Let's see what happens next.
    1. +8
      1 August 2013 08: 31
      Quote: lewerlin53rus
      Yanukovych made his choice,

      ..what does Yanukovych have to do with this - he won’t move a finger until Renat AHMETOV tells him ... And R. AHMETOV would be happy to take the course towards Russia, but our metallurgical and coal oligarchs will not let him come to us with his metallurgical plants and coal mines.
      Do you think that our politicians are completely independent?
      1. +4
        1 August 2013 10: 38
        Of course, the economic issue is one of the first places, so no one thinks about the people. Forest chopped wood fly.
        1. +2
          1 August 2013 21: 07
          If you call chips human destinies. Prokhorov and Akhmetov, is that a question?
  10. +21
    1 August 2013 08: 22
    The emphasis in the article is correct, but still the article was not impressive. I still did not understand the reason for the failure ...
    Until 2005, he lived in Ukraine, worked in business structures, far from being the last - as a director of the commercial department, therefore, the state of affairs is not familiar to me by hearsay - in my opinion, the reasons for the failure in rapprochement are not only ethnic-political (the dominance in government of immigrants from Galicia and their belonging to the Uniate Church) is still in the economy. For many reasons, the processes of development of capitalism in Ukraine lagged 3-4 years behind similar transformations in RUSSIA. In Russia, the "privatizers" had more money, and even more significant was the support of the appointed oligarchs from the then government (and often their just patronage and participation in fraudulent seizures of economic objects). Therefore, the structuring of economic structures took place much earlier, the fundamentals of the kaprynka announced their business by the mid-90s.
    In Ukraine, privatization was more democratic and took a longer time. Only by the end of the 90s large industrial associations began to crystallize and oligarchs and very wealthy businessmen began to appear.
    By this time, in RUSSIA, the owners of big money became cramped and they rushed to grab fat chunks in the Ukrainian economy. But they were simply not allowed there !!! The new masters of Ukraine themselves wanted to divide the economy among themselves. It is on this basis that some are not allowed in, while others are striving to take possession of property on their own, with the public and private participation of government agencies, and the collapse of the former "fraternal friendship" took place.
    IT'S TIME "TOBACCO VROZ"!
    Why can not Russia sell goods at a lower price? The explanation is simple. Sources of raw materials are overwhelmingly either private ... or with a large share of private capital. And interstate relations are a priority of the state, it concludes interstate agreements. Investors (or rather owners), if the state concludes an agreement at a lower market price, will demand compensation and the government will give it up. So RUSSIA does not want to compensate for the price difference to the state, which is far from always, despite the statements about strategic partnership, friendly to RUSSIA both in word and in deed.
    THE OWNERS OF "FACTORIES, NEWSPAPERS AND STEAMERS" BENEFIT FROM THIS STATE OF BUSINESS.
    LOSING - PEOPLE AS RUSSIA, SO UKRAINE!
    1. +4
      1 August 2013 08: 50
      Boris !! good Your 2 comments contain more information and meaning than dozens of articles on this topic! Very grateful!hi
    2. +1
      1 August 2013 10: 42
      In any case, the Russian Federation will lose revenue by paying compensation, by selling raw materials at lower prices, but the end justifies the means.
    3. gladiatorakz
      +8
      1 August 2013 17: 21
      Quote: KazaK Bo
      THE OWNERS OF "FACTORIES, NEWSPAPERS AND STEAMERS" BENEFIT FROM THIS STATE OF BUSINESS.
      LOSING - PEOPLE AS RUSSIA, SO UKRAINE!

      The first sane comment !!! Sanity is becoming less common, however. A big plus and gratitude.
  11. +3
    1 August 2013 08: 22
    Alas, I have to admit that the Kherson bell almost rang for the last time on both presidents.

    Presidents come and go, and people Russia and Ukraine cannot be separated!
    1. +2
      1 August 2013 10: 44
      He will not tear him apart to a tombstone, which will come when the last one, remembering the brotherhood of two peoples, dies.
  12. +4
    1 August 2013 08: 29
    In the event of the absorption of the country by the European Union, various institutions, firms, factories will begin to sell in it. Construction and business will decline. And Ukrainians, out of hopelessness, will go to other countries to work as light labor, which will be paid by a pittance. And they will be happy, because in their country everything is much worse.

    In case of joining the CU, the collapse of the people will continue in Ukraine, more and more anti-Russian cockroaches will crawl out of the cracks and scream about their right to live in a "free" country and away from Russia. Seriously, they have such habits that they will move Ukraine away from Russia if they want to. As a result, there will be riots, screams, Maidan Nezalezhnosti will simply be covered in blood. And then ... The authorities will either be completely anti-Russian. Or vice versa - pro-Russian. How will it turn out in the civil war.

    Therefore, the first path was chosen - it is safer for the authorities and there is no fear of bloodshed, which will turn out in the second scenario. And yes, if someone does not understand - the first way is slavery. The second way is struggle.
    Neither there nor there is nothing good. But it will all be so. There is no third.
  13. serge-68-68
    +7
    1 August 2013 08: 36
    The European choice of the Ukrainian leadership was obvious: whatever the EU, it is in any case more attractive to the overwhelming majority of the Ukrainian elite. Moreover, it is the majority - regardless of who this elite "makes" money with. This choice is supported by a significant part of the Ukrainian population. Actually, this choice of Ukraine became obvious for the Russian leadership a long time ago - it was no coincidence that the project of the bypass gas pipeline was completed.
    Ukraine's prospects are vague:
    1. Europe needs it only as a political gain, a sick country with a sick economy and cheap labor, which will gladly move to explore the western expanses - the European economy may experience serious upheavals.
    2. Europe does not need Ukrainian goods, and Russia will probably impose restrictions - the Ukrainian economy will experience serious shocks.
    3. Ukraine is a large country, which to develop to a more or less acceptable European level means huge investments for a couple of decades (if not more). This is not Romania with Bulgaria. Even political gain is hardly worth the money.
    4. The economy of Ukraine, and so not brilliant, will repeat the fate of the Baltic states - dead factories, empty cities.
    5. The final split of Ukraine into two parts is hardly possible - there are no real violent ones there, Europeans will oppose, and Russia will not openly confront the support of the eastern regions, and I think the East Ukrainian leadership will be against it.
    But for Russia there is no failure. Just another confirmation of the rule of these allies.
  14. biglow
    +15
    1 August 2013 08: 52
    There is no failure. Putin even outlined his position, but Yanukovych as Already wriggles in a pan in all directions. He soon has elections and old slogans about language and unity with Russia no longer offer people, but no new ideas. In the Donetsk region, Yanukovych has already begun to annoy the people. Production stops, mines shut down or lay off workers. The CU begins to crush the economy of Ukraine, which depends on the export of its not numerous products to Russia. But Putin is clearly planning something
    1. 0
      1 August 2013 08: 56
      Quote: biglow
      But Putin is clearly planning something

      All that happens next is only your choice, comrades, Ukrainian politicians and oligarchs, we no longer have any relation to this.
    2. +1
      1 August 2013 09: 12
      Quote: biglow
      But Putin is clearly planning something

      And what: not noticeable, or what? There is such a cunning viduha in his picture! And Yanukovych on her looks like someone is sucking him. Although this someone will soon be himself.
      1. Alexander-Tomsk
        +6
        1 August 2013 16: 38
        Quote: retired
        And Yanukovych on her looks like someone is sucking him. Although this someone will soon be himself.


        Rather, they are pulling a stranglehold around the neck ...
        1. +1
          1 August 2013 18: 28
          Quote: Alexander-Tomsk
          Rather, they are pulling a stranglehold around the neck ...

          Good evening, Alexander! Hehe ... I hurt Svidomo ... Not in vain, not in vain ...
    3. rolik
      +3
      1 August 2013 16: 50
      Quote: biglow
      But Putin is clearly planning something

      Well, in general, probably yes. Because Vladimr never made sudden movements without thinking. But what was he up to? find out when this happens))))))
  15. +5
    1 August 2013 09: 04
    Weird article. From the first part "everything is bad, there is nothing to eat, everything is ruined", and secondly, "we are going the right way, we have shown our point of view, they are their own, and we stand on this for now."
    It’s not necessary to drive lice from a healthy mind to a healthy one - Russia made its choice, more than once made proposals to Ukraine on partnership and integration. What did Ukraine do? a) shared what was still valuable b) flirted with Europe and the USA c) put sticks in the wheels of the development of relations between Russia and Ukraine. And now both presidents fail? Not ... let's call a spade a spade. This is a failure of Ukraine’s policies, both foreign and domestic.
    A serious internal schism is brewing in Ukraine, no one can call this country in foreign policy, the European Union, like NATO, does not need Ukraine (unless it is a raw material base or a place for the military). In general, everything is shitty ... Ale, Ukrainians, wake up!
  16. SvetoRus
    +6
    1 August 2013 09: 24
    Ukraine will be with Russia, I would like it to be in its entirety, but in parts it will also suit Russia.
  17. -7
    1 August 2013 09: 49
    "A pilgrim's visit" - a kind of pathos for Putin's arrival in Kiev was thought up by the Kremlin's PR specialists. In principle, it is correct, because the presidents of Moldova and Serbia were the same pilgrims that day. They did not make political statements, and quietly lit up on Vladimirskaya Gorka, teleported somewhere. But the adventures of the Russian President continued. He went to the conference to his godfather Viktor Medvedchuk to give a historical lecture about Malorosiya and how good everything was. Unfortunately, despite all the sympathy for Medvedchuk and his wife, Medvedchuk is a political marginal in Ukraine, and with his speech, Putin certainly raised the status of the event, but lowered the perception of his person in Ukraine. I will not be surprised that on his next visit he will visit Natalia Vitrenko. Undoubtedly, these characters (Medvedchuk, Vitrenko) are exalted admirers of Putin and sympathizers of Russia, but if VVP would like some real results, it would look for other sites. in fact, the most pro-Russian force in Ukraine is the Party of Regions, and they do real things in the Russian language, shared history, and economic relations. But in Russia, after Yanukovych came to power in Ukraine, for some reason they decided that Kiev's policy should be subordinate and derogatory to Moscow, only because Russia supported Yanukovych, the oppositionist and strenuously sprinkled mud on his counterpart Yushchenko. But he didn’t, yak was old in the Kremlin ... Russia took offense and started a (trade) war against Ukraine. we now have Ukraine, a "strategic partner" of Russia, without membership in NAT, EEC, and other organizations, but in a state of permanent conflict with Russia. Having lost the Russian market, the Ukrainian government is looking for other markets, including European ones, but even then Russia begins to curse, threaten, beg ... Actually, why did the trade turnover fall? It's just that Ukraine stopped buying the most expensive gas in Europe from Gazprom. Okay, now Russia will close all other joint projects in aircraft construction, astronautics and energy. Of course, this will not give any political results, because all these programs have already been closed at times since the beginning of the 2000s. And what's next, the brothers-Russians will go to fight against Ukraine, as many commentators-strategists say, cutting Ukraine with blunt scissors into Galicia, Little Russia, Crimea. Yes, we see how the opinion is being prepared in the media, what is the image of Ukrainians in the news, thin films, mass culture. Objectively speaking, of course, it is not possible to make enemies of the Khakhlovs as quickly as they did to the Georgians. But propaganda and brainwashing is an interesting and effective thing, and the Russian authorities are very well adopting this experience from the Americans.
    1. biglow
      +7
      1 August 2013 09: 58
      Quote: Aeneas
      "A pilgrim's visit" - a kind of pathos for Putin's arrival in Kiev was thought up by the Kremlin's PR specialists.

      instead of writing patriotic proclamations here, you would rather look at the economic indicators of Ukraine. And these indicators are sad. Even with agricultural products in Ukraine, pichal and longing. If Russia tightens all the other taps, then the Ukrainian government, if it has to look for new markets, is for the labor force from Ukraine and not for products. Which are becoming smaller every year
      1. Evgeny B.
        +3
        2 August 2013 14: 21
        biglow
        "we will have to look for new markets so this is for labor from Ukraine and not for products"
        I completely agree with you. The law that they are going to introduce also speaks of the correctness of your thoughts. According to him, they will tax the money transfers of workers abroad. Obviously, neither industry nor education are needed, the main thing is somehow to ensure the reproduction of slaves in the quantity necessary for the European Union.
      2. SAVA555.IVANOV
        +4
        2 August 2013 14: 35
        You got that with your "if Russia", and if Ukraine? Have you already played out with migrant workers from other republics? It would be better for Belarusians and Ukrainians to simplify migration rights, to work in Russia, no one would slaughter sheep on your streets))) People just began to forget on the one and the other hand that we are one people and running to others is not worth it under any circumstances. Together forever, no difference.
    2. 0
      1 August 2013 10: 49
      And I didn’t put you a minus, on the contrary I’ll put a plus. The voice of the people is felt.
    3. 1712
      +12
      1 August 2013 12: 05
      That's because of such patriots, Ukraine is located, as Zhvanetsky said, between the spaces. The whole country is cancerous, there is no army, law enforcement agencies are finishing off. Corruption, nepotism swept the state. A country on the verge of economic collapse.
      The worst thing is that for 20 years of independence the state has raised in society a layer of parasites and scoundrels who simply stand up and yell. The society is corrupted and split. And such figures as Aeneas divorced in the forums a huge number.
      1. gladiatorakz
        -9
        1 August 2013 18: 06
        Quote: egor 1712
        Whole country stands cancer

        Do not judge the whole country by yourself.
        Quote: egor 1712
        The worst thing is that 20 years of independence the state has raised in society a layer of parasites and scoundrels who just stand and yell

        What exactly have you done for the prosperity of the motherland? To overcome the crisis? Standing, shouting?
        1. Hudo
          -1
          1 August 2013 19: 29
          Quote: gladiatorakz
          What exactly have you done for the prosperity of the motherland? To overcome the crisis? Standing, shouting?


          What pathos! In order to quickly get out of the current impasse of impassability, it is more expedient to do what Max-Otto von Stirlitz did in February-April 1945.
          1. gladiatorakz
            -2
            2 August 2013 12: 29
            Quote: Hudo
            What pathos!

            And what is the pathos? Patriotism - pathos?
            1. Hudo
              +2
              2 August 2013 14: 16
              Quote: gladiatorakz
              And what is the pathos? Patriotism - pathos?


              Patriotism for artificial education supported by afloat of various kinds by Yanukovychs for personal enrichment looks either extremely stupid or even funny.
              1. gladiatorakz
                -3
                4 August 2013 12: 48
                Quote: Hudo
                Patriotism for artificial education supported by afloat of various kinds by Yanukovychs for personal enrichment looks either extremely stupid or even funny.

                Who laughs over his finger. In addition, your point of view has a right to exist just like mine. But this does not mean that it is the only true one. To argue with you is too lazy and I see no reason. And the level for the argument.
  18. Valery Neonov
    +1
    1 August 2013 10: 02
    Quote: Dangerous
    Too bad the Ukrainians, to be honest. FROM

    For the fact that the leaders did not understand anything ... hi
  19. Vlad_Mir
    +5
    1 August 2013 10: 14
    Ukraine has made a choice. The responsibility for this lies only with the Ukrainians. But as always: everything good is the achievement of Ukraine and its "elite", everything that is bad is the machinations of Moscow and Putin!
  20. Luna
    +3
    1 August 2013 10: 15
    Quote: Kite
    "In other words, Putin's pragmatism, under which cheap energy and gas and petrodollars - like a fool wrappers, replayed initially and now the beggar replayes Ukrainian pragmatism....."- many such phrases spoil the perception of this article.

    Enter the position of the author, he has cognitive dissonance between the brain and stomach. The first is trying to think, and the second is asking for food. And he writes on a resource dominated by pro-Russian commentators, and when Vladimir begins to lose coast, the public responds by chasing him with pissed rags. At the same time, Skachko enters the journalistic pool under the president, so he has to grumble.
    1. +1
      1 August 2013 10: 39
      Quote: Luna
      Leaps into the presidential journalism pool, so you have to grumble.

      Vladimir Putin and Ukraine Viktor Yanukovych came up.
      Freud Reservation!
  21. Constantine
    +9
    1 August 2013 10: 17
    Author! I have a huge request! Learn to express your thoughts competently. to read, in the moment, is simply not pleasant.

    And now to the point:

    and Russia responded with the same imitative feelings, but did nothing to turn Ukraine to itself, attract it, turn it away from the wrong path.


    In your opinion, Russia, on which Ukraine puts the device, where they infringe the Russians and the Russian language, where they try to annoy our state in any way, should lower gas prices so that your oligarchs can then resell it, or just start giving you money, which, again will settle in your top pockets? Ukraine, which, at the official level, is absolutely dismissive of the fraternal country, Russia, wants only to take, but at the same time not to give anything in return. Ukraine rewrites history, humiliating and demonizing Russia and the Russian soldier. Moscow is doing so much, but while Kiev is playing games with the EU and NATO, we cannot sacrifice our country for the sake of those who do not value what they are doing for them. I am not talking about all Ukrainians, but I can say about a certain part of them. It is very sad that the leadership of the country indulges just the last. sad

    At this event, Medvedchuk announced that Ukraine, in the case of signing an association agreement, would face the fate of a reservation of a crumbling Europe without the right to vote, but with the obligations to strictly fulfill all the "fagots" of the new owner. Deindustrialization, de-sovereignization, depopulation, de-intellectualization (debilitation) and de-democratization - this is what KT predicted for Ukraine and Medvedchuk.


    And so it will be. Or Ukraine believes that it will suffer a different fate from the same Baltic states? The economy will be destroyed, slave. force will be taken out and put on a financial needle. Along the way, sawing through the army, destroying what remains of education, etc. Europeans will never accept a new country into the European core. All who are not from the old European countries are colonies. It has always been and will be.

    Moscow, Brussels and Washington are all pulling and pulling the rope, not wanting to see that it will be swept on the neck of Ukraine? ..


    Ukraine itself threw this noose around its neck. As if we came to stand on the Maidan and we were pulling the strings. If you were led, you got the consequences. Once again, we got another batch of consequences. It's simple. The statesmen whom you have chosen, by the way, lack will and toughness. Either pro-Western political prostitutes, or weak-willed faint-hearted individuals who got into politics and stand with an open mouth like "where are we?" smile
  22. Sigismund
    +14
    1 August 2013 10: 27
    I myself am a Ukrainian, all my life in Russia. My opinion is simple. This is a terrible tragedy of two fraternal peoples. The worse we are, the better the "Panamas" in the "West". I am afraid that "Fatherland" will be torn apart as a "weaker link." Of course, talk about the future. Association with Europe is a dummy for Ukraine, Westerners need it for one thing: “Divide and conquer.” You just have to watch it with a pain in your chest.
    1. +3
      1 August 2013 10: 31
      Quote: Sigismund
      One has only to observe this with chest pain.

      hi
  23. samosa4.11.90
    +9
    1 August 2013 10: 40
    After the collapse of the USSR, Ukraine lived mainly through the sale of resources (all of which remained) without the development of strategically important sectors in the economy, But the reserves are not unlimited, the limit and the moment of making a decision is gradually coming - what to do and where? The worst thing is that the population of Ukraine lives on the principle of every minute benefit. They gave money now - we are with you. The people are in a position of survival - what they snatched is yours. In any state structure, and not only, the principle "pay and sleep well" operates. Sometimes it starts to seem to me. that it is a national trait. One controversial plus in this is that ALL issues can be solved for money (if any). Often on duty I visit villages in all regions of Ukraine, and this is a large part of the population, and so the villagers do not really care *** where Ukraine will enter - the EU or the WTO, the main thing is that the SCHOB is GOOD. And for young people who have grown up over 20 years of independence on Ukrainian history textbooks, that Russia, that the United States or any European state are just states of the world and nothing more (what fraternal feelings are there). Very disappointing. I live in two countries (Russia and Ukraine), so I have something to compare with. True, Ukrainians have a very good trait - they are kinder (my personal opinion). But at the same time, they are very amorphous (the principle of my hut WORKS from the edge).
    1. +1
      1 August 2013 10: 53
      Quote: Samosa4.11.90
      USSR Ukraine lived mainly through the sale of resources (all of which remained

      wildly sorry and what kind of resources? Oil? gas? forest? diamonds? chernozem?
      1. samosa4.11.90
        +3
        1 August 2013 11: 04
        When I wrote, with my spinal cord I felt that it was with these words that there would be the most questions and clues. Uv.Kars. You know what I am talking about.
        1. +6
          1 August 2013 11: 32
          Quote: Samosa4.11.90
          Uv.Kars. You know what I am talking about.

          Hi KARSU.
          Let him continue to live behind his blacklisted fence, if he likes it more.
          How is his son? Already returned from the army, where he served 5km from home? KARS liked it very much, as one of the main achievements of independence.
          Tell him that the Soviet tanker on the KARS avatar has nothing to do with his worldview.
          Let the tanker on his avatrack be replaced with a piece of fat, so honest.
      2. -1
        5 August 2013 07: 06
        Shale oil, gas from bottles of mineral water, timber from crates (mineral water), diamonds from glass cutters, black earth in household stores.
  24. avt
    +10
    1 August 2013 10: 43
    So, due to my lack of mind, I still did not understand - what is the actual mutual failure, declared in the title? In the fact that, despite the beating of the bell and the scratching of the ears with words, it was not possible to reduce the price of gas and nay ... GDP - under the guise of observers of the vehicle to sit on two chairs and climb backwards into Europa? Or the grief is that Poroshenko was pressed with sweets? Everything is going very well for me. All that VVP promised velikoukram, if they wanted to sell one square ... in two bazaars, in the spirit of the new gayevrope tendencies - it fulfills. So "fail" like that yourself, if you don't want to get out together.
  25. +7
    1 August 2013 10: 52
    All garbage, no matter how hard everyone tries, everything will be fine, we are brothers. Well, except Bendera zapadentsev, those foster laughing
    1. +6
      1 August 2013 10: 56
      Your words to God in the ears.
    2. biglow
      +4
      1 August 2013 11: 15
      Quote: tilovaykrisa
      All garbage, no matter how hard everyone tries, everything will be fine, we are brothers. Well, except Bendera zapadentsev, those foster laughing

      we also believe in this, because we live on Russian soil. From where did the first-called Andrew, even though half a legend, came to our lands ...
  26. kavkaz8888
    +3
    1 August 2013 10: 57
    And Old Man scored on the baptismal holidays. Correct, if I am wrong, Lukashenka's phrase: "I am an Orthodox atheist"?
  27. andru_007
    +9
    1 August 2013 11: 14
    I read it somewhere, and I agree with this that the independence of Ukraine is beneficial only as long as there is something to rub in the country. The Ukrainian elite will not let its competitors from Russia. When everything is stolen, and the land is also divided, then they will remember brotherly feelings.
    1. +4
      1 August 2013 11: 33
      When everything is stolen, and the land is also divided, then they will remember brotherly feelings.

      Wouldn't it be too late to remember? With what load of "brotherly feelings" will they come to us?
      Another hot spot near by Russia? Or the collapse of Ukraine on the heels of the principalities, mutual reproaches, attacks, sabotage, and as a result a smoldering conflict for a couple of decades? NATO base in Sevastopol, European peacekeepers in Odessa? But it may come to this.
  28. +4
    1 August 2013 11: 24
    Quote: Aeneas
    Yes, we see how opinions are being prepared in the media, what image of Ukrainians is in the news, thin films, and mass culture.

    The image of Ukraine in the news depends on the news, but in the mass culture, as I noticed, nothing at all. Then I agree with Wedmak. Knowing about the US policy about the barrier countries around Russia, Yanukovych tried both ours and yours. Our already tired, everything has been said. Balts already go in batches to the State Department on the carpet, there will be another +1. Then Ukraine will disappear from the news.
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  30. iOfficer
    +12
    1 August 2013 11: 36


    It's time for some individuals to recall these words. Especially for those who lead Ukraine towards the EU. And some Russians should also think.
    1. 0
      3 August 2013 20: 39
      Quote: iOfficer
      It's time for some individuals to recall these words. Especially for those who lead Ukraine towards the EU. And some Russians should also think.

      As far as I remember, this film is officially banned in Ukraine.
  31. +10
    1 August 2013 11: 45
    It is a pity for the Ukrainian people, for 20 years they have been so brainwashed by the Banderaites and the notorious West ... Although the people understand where the truth is ... just like here in Russia, they cannot do anything yet ... THE PEOPLE BY ITSELF ... THE POWER IS BY ITSELF!
  32. sribnuu
    -12
    1 August 2013 11: 48
    Quote: velikoros-xnumx
    I would like to add - it’s a pity for normal Ukrainians, Little Russians, with normal national self-awareness, and I personally am not at all sorry for the dilemming Bandera people. They consciously chose their path and with amazing persistence drive their country into the grave.


    We know best who Ross who maloros)
    1. Malleus
      +7
      1 August 2013 11: 55
      well, that’s the whole story - the little brother-Judas ...
    2. +12
      1 August 2013 12: 11
      Quote: sribnuu
      We know best who Ross who maloros)


    3. biglow
      +6
      1 August 2013 12: 52
      Quote: sribnuu
      Quote: velikoros-xnumx
      I would like to add - it’s a pity for normal Ukrainians, Little Russians, with normal national self-awareness, and I personally am not at all sorry for the dilemming Bandera people. They consciously chose their path and with amazing persistence drive their country into the grave.


      We know best who Ross who maloros)

      nda ... collective farm and he is in Africa collective farm. Your rogues are not capable of more
  33. escobar
    +7
    1 August 2013 11: 53
    A referendum is needed and then the people themselves will decide which way to choose and where to join. And so some in power are pulling in NATO, others are strongly opposed, and still others will come .. we’ll all become banderlogs ..
    1. +6
      1 August 2013 12: 02
      A referendum is needed and then the people themselves will decide which way to choose and where to join.

      The Ukrainian authorities will not decide on this. It’s the same as making a sepukka.
    2. Hudo
      +5
      1 August 2013 19: 41
      Quote: escobar
      A referendum is needed and then the people themselves will decide which way to choose and where to join.



      There was one referendum in 1991. At that time, a relative of mine was studying at one of the military schools in the West. Ukraine. Was in those parts on a business trip, stopped by to visit along the way talked with him and his comrades. Amazing results were shown by this miracle voting! After voting, the cadets, having talked to each other, were very surprised, who gave these same about 85% "FOR", if in the companies of the cadet battalion there were about 10-15% of them?
  34. So_o_tozh
    +13
    1 August 2013 12: 05
    Yes, of course, everything is terribly bad for us, it seems that people are specially brought to extinction. Revenues from migrant workers in Ukraine exceeded investments, medical workers begin. reform with the reduction of doctors and honey. personnel at times, Wednesdays. salary in Kiev 16 thousand rubles. The authorities have only hope for a handout from the IMF, otherwise Ukraine will go bankrupt. I have the impression that in Ukraine they are setting up an experiment on the survival of the people. I don’t understand why the special services in Russia intervened in politics by putting their person as president, and ours are silent. Nevertheless, they see that we are in full swing to the bottom, there are analysts in intelligence, counterintelligence, the General Staff, why we have only gangsters and oligarchs in power. Just do not tell that they were chosen by the people.
    1. samosa4.11.90
      +8
      1 August 2013 12: 54
      "there are analysts in intelligence, counterintelligence, the general staff"
      On duty (in a past life crying ) served with many in the upper headquarters (former subordinates, and now bosses). Now sometimes we meet for a glass of tea, so the question is, WHY? The answer is Valerievich, but do we need it? Allow to sit still until retirement. Prospect-0, apartment = forget about everything else, even no conversation. For the idea and the pleasure of the service (read the work) as before - I DO NOT APPROVE this. So at the exit we get, be what will happen, and then we’ll come up with something.
    2. Avenger711
      +7
      1 August 2013 13: 17
      Because Russia is a subject of international politics, and Ukraine is not even a country, but just a territory where, in principle, it is impossible to think in terms of the state.
      1. +5
        1 August 2013 14: 24
        Quote: Avenger711
        and Ukraine is not even a country, but just a territory where, in principle, it is impossible to think in terms of the state.


        The state, in the full sense of the word, the forgiving territory cannot be. This is the only way ... on paper, amers use Ukraine as a latrine ... people suffer, but they get used to it, and the "roof" fills their pockets
  35. +6
    1 August 2013 12: 09
    Quote: KazaK Bo
    THE OWNERS OF "FACTORIES, NEWSPAPERS AND STEAMERS" BENEFIT FROM THIS STATE OF BUSINESS.

    And it cannot be otherwise - the rules of doing business in Ukraine and in Russia are not particularly different. And in spite of the mutual political reproaches of politicians, business is quietly integrating both in industry and in the financial sphere.
    1. +5
      1 August 2013 15: 37
      Rinatka of Russian oligarchs of Boyts-trample
  36. +4
    1 August 2013 12: 21
    You read the article and the comments and you feel deja vu, just "old songs about the main thing." How long can you exaggerate the same thing? Nationalism is the plague of the 21st century. Ukraine needs to get sick and gain immunity from this disease. The signing of an agreement with the European Union will be a catalyst, or, as doctors say, a crisis in the course of the disease, after which recovery will begin. I wish the Ukrainians a speedy recovery. Big bools!
    1. +7
      1 August 2013 15: 40
      in some it is not treated
      The rest need to be vaccinated
    2. 0
      3 August 2013 18: 56
      Quote: Naval
      will be a catalyst, or as doctors say, a crisis in the course of the disease,

      the culmination of the disease is likely to be just war.
  37. +1
    1 August 2013 13: 49
    Tell me, why are the former republics of the USSR reluctantly moving closer to Russia? I think this is because no one wants to deal with your pro-Western government. Why make friends with the pro-Western government, if possible directly with the West))))
    1. 0
      3 August 2013 09: 59
      Lonely, please forgive me, but what universe do you live in?
      Sincerely.
  38. +12
    1 August 2013 14: 10
    Quote: Garrin
    Here it would be necessary to give an order to the special services that they would begin to carry out the sentences. Unobtrusively, but systematically.

    We would first shoot in our country ....
    Others are already Heroes of Russia.
    1. +8
      1 August 2013 16: 05
      Quote: Chen
      We would first shoot in our country ....
      Others are already Heroes of Russia.

      Well, this goes without saying ... Moreover, those who opposed with arms and those who robbed and robbed the army, in connection with which, poorly trained, unprepared and poorly armed boys were sent simply for slaughter.
  39. Atlantus
    +14
    1 August 2013 14: 57
    What are you all throwing poop at each other?
    Well, I am a Ukrainian ... I have been living in Russia for 30 years. What I want to say .... It's a shame. It's a shame when each other hawt.
    The bottom line is that the subsoil, resources ... factories, steamboats are property! Many write .. We, Russia .. must give ... feed .. etc. etc. Gentlemen, both Russian and Ukrainian capitalists think only of their profits! Gasoline is growing, chain stores are breaking prices, the quality of goods and products at low prices is low. Workers exploit people to wear for a meager wage. Housing and communal services prices. On a box there are only murders, tragedies or love soap operas. This is happening in both countries. And ordinary people ... both Russians and Ukrainians maintain relations at their level, live, communicate, get married, give birth to children. ALL THIS Bacchanalia is inflated due to the issue of the division of property. No one needs ordinary people. Neither the Russian nor the Ukrainian oligarch.
    Do not swear, live in peace. Time will put everything in its place.
    1. +6
      1 August 2013 15: 22
      What are you all throwing poop at each other?

      So like no one threw anyone. All criticism is addressed to the worthless government of Ukraine, which drove its people into the pit. The article emphasizes that the policies of both countries have failed, but this is not so !!
      You are a Ukrainian, live in Russia, probably follow the development of events in your own country. Agree, Russia came out of that shit that failed in the 90s, Ukraine is still there. Factories, manufactures began to revive in Russia, the army is being modernized, what has changed in Ukraine? Politics of Ukraine in general ... an empty place. While Putin has several times put Western leaders into cancer. And ordinary people ... and the majority of people don’t give a damn about it. If there is something to live, live together.
      Well, and when you need ... well, behave at least decently, why steal gas and lie to everyone and everyone? Why should our fleet build obstacles? Do you protect yourself? I doubt it. From land it can still be repelled by hundreds of tanks, but from the sea? And why put the tricks on the old neighbor? Nevertheless...
      1. +4
        1 August 2013 18: 38
        Quote: Wedmak
        u behave at least decently, why steal gas and lie to everyone and everyone? Why should our fleet build obstacles? Do you protect yourself? I doubt it. From land it can still be repelled by hundreds of tanks, but from the sea? And why put the tricks on the old neighbor? Nevertheless...

        !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! +++++++++++++++++++++++++++ ++
      2. -1
        3 August 2013 23: 51
        Quote: Atlantus
        What are you all throwing poop at each other?



        Quote: Wedmak
        So like no one threw anyone.


        "All criticism is directed at the worthless government of Ukraine. (Wedmak)"
        ... yes to a lazy Ukrainian ... imported lard in Ukraine !!!
        Supers like to haunt Russia and wait for the heavenly manna from gay experiences. Well settled .... stole gas. gay opa provides money and amers give work .... the truth has become experimental No Che ... everything will pass and get used to it ... it will become the norm
    2. 0
      2 August 2013 05: 20
      Where is your flag?
  40. +9
    1 August 2013 15: 57
    Maybe I'm a little mistaken, but the main strategic goal of the EU is exactly the same as that of Hitler - fertile lands for the "golden" billion. The combat-ready Armed Forces will be gradually removed from Ukraine, the role of the Ministry of Internal Affairs will be belittled to the point of utter amusement, and then replaced by "respectable" forces; "banks, post office, telegraph" will smoothly pass into the right hands, etc. etc.

    And in 5-10 years it will be a worsened version of Poland
    1. +6
      1 August 2013 18: 01
      In our land, sunflower has been grown for 20 years without food
      Where does fertility come from?
      1. 0
        3 August 2013 20: 29
        Quote: densh
        In our land, sunflower has been grown for 20 years without food
        Where does fertility come from?

        Hmm ...
        I plant potatoes on the same site where my grandfather and grandmother have been growing since 1961.
        With three hundred parts 10-12 bags without problems, phylloxera and late blight.
        Agriculture in the school textbook of botany.
        So hard to find this tutorial ?!
        1. 0
          3 August 2013 21: 45
          Potatoes and sunflowers are two different crops, see textbook.
          It's about land use.
    2. 0
      2 August 2013 05: 22
      In my fervor I could not explain what you said in "two words". Brevity is the soul of wit.
    3. 0
      3 August 2013 18: 59
      Quote: Cherdak
      Effective aircraft will be gradually removed from Ukraine

      to all that has already been destroyed, 2000 T-64 tanks also want to destroy. The NATO commission has already arrived, the roofing felts are on the way. And the money is even ready to allocate.
  41. So_o_tozh
    -6
    1 August 2013 15: 59
    Quote: Wedmak

    Well, and when you need ... well, behave at least decently, why steal gas and lie to everyone and everyone? Why should our fleet build obstacles? Do you protect yourself? I doubt it. From land it can still be repelled by hundreds of tanks, but from the sea? And why put the tricks on the old neighbor? Nevertheless...

    stop Here propaganda hammered, they say, gas steals vile Ukraine, it’s washed the whole brain, but where are the facts? All counters are located on the territory of the Russian Federation and it is clearly visible how much came in and how much came out in the west, so that’s not the case ... For the fleet, the entire movement of the fleet only through agreement with the government of Ukraine is a normal international practice. We’ll fight off the sea with rockets in a hypothetically impossible war ... Podlanka first of all comes from the old neighbor, first cheese, then metal, gingerbread, etc. etc. hi
    1. +7
      1 August 2013 16: 06
      Quote: So_o_tozh
      l vile Ukraine steals gas, straight brain washed, and where are the facts?

      The facts were and were presented by both Russia and the EU. By the way, Ukraine has already paid for the theft.
      Quote: So_o_tozh
      . We'll fight off the sea with rockets in a hypothetically impossible war

      Well, who doubts is power wink
      Quote: So_o_tozh
      .Podlyanki first come from the old neighbor,

      What kind of vile are these Russians, they should for life, forever Ukraine freebie drive lol
    2. +7
      1 August 2013 16: 35
      You already answered actually ...
      Here propaganda hammered, they say, gas steals vile Ukraine, it’s washed the whole brain, but where are the facts? All counters are on the territory of the Russian Federation and it is clearly visible how much has gone in and how much has happened in the west, so Nenada la-la ...

      What propaganda, if the numbers were really different? A couple of years in a row every New Year we go to the bath watched a circus with payment of gas and the conclusion of a contract with passing curtsies in Ukraine about a price reduction ... Was it? It was!
      Regarding the fleet, the entire movement of the fleet only through agreement with the government of Ukraine is a normal international practice.

      Come on? The United States also notifies the host country of its base that it wants to update the fleet, but is this country against it? Does the US also notify its warship of the base in two days? I think no. To hell then keep a foreign base with the navy when its country is controlled by the host country ?????
      We’ll fight off the sea with rockets in a hypothetically impossible war ...

      Yeah ... good luck. Not talking with your fleet about a missile attack. By the way, do rockets fly? Arms will simply come to you and unload the weapons at the port. And pat the head of the president. Rehearsal of this action was already.
      Podladyany first come from the old neighbor, first cheese, then metal, gingerbread cookies, etc. etc.

      Cheese, metal, gingerbread cookies ??? And it says the representative of the most fertile region! ??? You wanted market relations - you got them! And do not hide behind the fraternity and old neighbor in order to lower market prices for yourself for these very cheeses, metals, gingerbread cookies, etc.
      1. +4
        1 August 2013 18: 42
        Quote: Wedmak
        Cheese, metal, gingerbread cookies ??? And it says the representative of the most fertile region! ??? You wanted market relations - you got them! And do not hide behind the fraternity and old neighbor in order to lower market prices for yourself for these very cheeses, metals, gingerbread cookies, etc.

        Funny !!!!!!! I know very well what Ukraine was like in the late 80s. Gingerbread Cookies ???? Sad ...
  42. tomich
    0
    1 August 2013 16: 46
    yes let them join the European Union and x ... with them, spit and forget that such a country even exists, let them live as they want
  43. High speed
    +3
    1 August 2013 17: 39
    I remember the program "What is to be done?" V. Tretyakov on the topic. To my surprise, our analysts (for those who did not understand - Russian. It's just that I'm in Ukraine now) criticized our state, the Russian Federation to a much greater extent.
  44. Atlantus
    +5
    1 August 2013 17: 46
    Quote: Wedmak
    You are a Ukrainian, live in Russia, probably follow the development of events in your own country. Agree, Russia came out of that shit that failed in the 90s, Ukraine is still there. Factories, manufactures began to revive in Russia, the army is being modernized, what has changed in Ukraine? Politics of Ukraine in general ... empty place


    Not only follow events. My family and friends live there and I go there at least once a year. And I’ll say ... my wife (by the way, Russian, Siberian) recently visited my homeland (Dnipro), went shopping, cafe, traveled in public she said to transport - I just now realized how they have us in Russia ... This is in terms of prices, quality of products and life itself. By the way, in the Dnieper, she spoke her native (Russian) language. No one infringed her. This is still the issue of propaganda.
    1. 0
      1 August 2013 18: 09
      And look for new businesses
    2. 0
      3 August 2013 20: 23
      Quote: Atlantus
      Not only follow events. My family and friends live there and I go there at least once a year. And I’ll say ... my wife (by the way, Russian, Siberian) recently visited my homeland (Dnipro), went shopping, cafe, traveled in public she said to transport - I just now realized how they have us in Russia ... This is in terms of prices, quality of products and life itself. By the way, in the Dnieper, she spoke her native (Russian) language. No one infringed her. This is still the issue of propaganda.

      Normal business.
      First, capturing the market - dumping is quite suitable for this.
      Wait for the capture of the market - Ukraine’s joining Geyropa - its prices will greatly surprise it.
      So it was in all countries of the Warsaw Pact that entered the Geyropa - before entering it was impudent dumping. After the collapse of their agricultural production and industrial production in the newly converted countries, prices very much surprised the citizens of these countries.
  45. Atlantus
    +6
    1 August 2013 17: 52
    Quote: Alexander Romanov
    What are these vile Russian, they should for free, forever Ukraine freebie drive lol

    You don’t need to say that. Ordinary people in Ukraine don’t think so. I can give you many examples of what ordinary people say in Russia.
    1. +2
      2 August 2013 04: 09
      Quote: Atlantus
      No need to say so. Ordinary people in Ukraine do not think so

      As they do not say, read komenty Ukrainians-some request
  46. Yankuz
    +3
    1 August 2013 18: 32
    Quote: seller trucks
    Quote: sribnuu
    We know best who Ross who maloros)



    Ay, how relevant !!!
  47. So_o_tozh
    -9
    1 August 2013 19: 03
    I conclude this without washing so much, but Russia needs Ukraine in the CU or in its sphere of influence.
    To this end, the Russian Federation uses all means of pressure on Yanek and his government, stifles it with economic methods, showing that we will regret very much that we will close the Russian market for goods from Ukraine. Having made the most expensive gas price in Europe to the largest buyer, unfoundedly accusing him of theft as well, we also had programs where they showed that the Russians were screwing up with the theft, because it’s less used by gas meters in Russia, just for the amount that Oyrope lacked during the winter and which Gazprom did not deliver. So dear, your right to offer ours to refuse ... dialogue from a position of strength will not lead to anything, take the Baltic States to starve to death but will not return to Russia, do not force the Ukrainians to become even more embittered.
    1. +4
      1 August 2013 19: 50
      Yes, no one is going to force. We would have to deal with our "wealth" in an amicable way. Both internal and external.
    2. 0
      3 August 2013 00: 13
      What? ... does he conclude?

      It would be more likely to return the territory to Russia until we turned it into one big garbage dump ..... but as an ally, Ukrainian partner not what
      ... backwards, choosing in front of whom to push ...
      1. -3
        3 August 2013 23: 59
        I am a Russian RU Today, 00:13 ↑

        What? ... does he conclude?

        It would be more likely to return the territory to Russia until we turned it into one big garbage dump ..... but as an ally, no Ukrainian partner
        ... backwards, choosing in front of whom to push ...

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  50. samosa4.11.90
    +6
    1 August 2013 20: 31
    RJUNIMAGU laughing This is the topic of those who are in power (in the Verkhovna Rada of Ukraine). Now I heard on the radio that humiliation of each other is flourishing in the Svoboda party (the most radical nationalists in Ukraine), and not only psychological, according to party members. Here is your answer - who are the freedom fighters. From the beginning in your party, and then the whole Ukraine? And the most offensive thing is that they will judge all the people in the person of the state by such. I urgently need to save money for the T-80 (I know where to buy) angry wassat
  51. wow
    +13
    1 August 2013 20: 49
    Our “nenka” always wants something “exclusive”, but what she gets, as usual, is a big dick in the ass!!! And to the point!!!
  52. +4
    1 August 2013 22: 21
    Good day to all!
    The topic and content of the article are very relevant, although conclusions and conclusions can be interpreted in different ways.
    The sad fact is that instead of Kyiv elite brought Ukraine into the CU and returned to the brothers Russians and Belarusians, she, not giving a damn (or fearing the will of the Ukrainian people), is trying to small Jewish speculator hit the maximum jackpot from sitting on 2 chairs (between the EU and the TS).
    Of course, such a trick will not work with Russia, It’s not for nothing that Lukashenko didn’t come from Belarus, it says a lot.
    To blame for Ukraine's departure to the EU, Russia as a brotherly country, We Ukrainians, who want the best for our homeland, simply cannot.
    On Putin's part, Kyiv was granted many real concessions many times.
    On the other hand, it is unreasonable to expect that Russia will always support Ukraine out of fraternal feelings, because Russia doesn’t owe Ukraine anything!
    Official Kiev rejects the proposed mutually beneficial cooperation and rapprochement within the CU, naively believing that within the framework of a friendly, close or enslaving agreement with the EU, it will include jelly rivers flow...
    In fact, upon entry and after it, Europe will suck everything it can out of Ukraine, will close all enterprises and agricultural producers as dangerous competitors to German manufacturers and farmers!!!
    Well, Ukrainian workers and specialists will go out of need to work as guest workers for pennies in Western and Eastern Europe (however, even now, out of need, they have been going to the West for work for at least a decade).
    To me personally the very fact of a petty personal squabble is unpleasant и attempts to pour on the forum member on the other hand, the Ukrainian grew up. State borders are dirt! Well, really, this squabble is not worth it.
    Moreover, the personal attacks present here only show how "clever friends of the USSR from the West" SUCCESSFUL onfrom Russians, Russians and many other nationalities and nationalities, to quarrel and divide or simply make them blood enemies.
    I really wouldn't like to live to see
    that in 8-10 years Ukraine will be torn apart with splashes of blood, as we have already tried and along the way, we clarified the scenarios in the Caucasus and to the north of it.
  53. Druid
    -2
    1 August 2013 23: 21
    Everyone attacked Ukraine and the Ukrainians, and then they are talking about some kind of union... We must not forget, the Ukrainians also did not find themselves in the trash heap and they are more freedom-loving than the Russians.
    Ukraine is a completely self-sufficient state, it does not need a political union with Russia, it is just a crook in power who unfastens the Kremlin and creates conditions for Russian oligarchs, for whom the robbery of Russia is no longer enough, and economically, both Russia and Ukraine are connected in many directions, no matter how anyone here swaggered, but many Russian projects are impossible without the participation of Ukraine and vice versa. Russia is not in a position to dictate terms or teach anyone how to live, how can Russians point fingers at Ukrainians and make faces when they themselves have what they want?! Does Putin have a plan, etc., of course he does, to double the fortune of his family and circle to 320 billion Baku, probably the Ukrainians are worse than the Russians, because they don’t want him to do this at their expense, so what?
    The Ukrainian president is a “stupid”, because he stuck it out to the “smart” Putin and I don’t want to pay for the rent of Sevastopol, is that so?...
    It is impossible to look for loyal allies through insults, much less to humiliate a truly fraternal people, because Ukrainians are closer to Russians than any other Slavic people. Otherwise, it turns out like this: first we rape, and then we wonder why there is no love, or why Ukrainian crews shoot down Russian Su-25 and Tu-22...
    1. 0
      3 August 2013 10: 07
      Ukrainian crews shoot down Russian Su-25 and Tu-22...

      After reunification (and it will happen, it’s a matter of time), we will bury everyone, both the shooters and those who gave the order and everyone who mocked the united people.
  54. sanych your division
    +4
    2 August 2013 01: 08
    Yanukovych and company are simply trying to figure out who would sell the country at a higher price. they have long given a damn... about the population and national interests. in Russia there is also such a subspecies. Red and fluffy
  55. Login1
    +1
    2 August 2013 01: 36
    The author is a provocateur from a series of undead, handshake people. It’s unclear how visitors to a patriotically conceived forum can upvote something like this...and the administration post it.
    And that bell rang for all the information scoundrels who write similar things and their owners.
  56. +6
    2 August 2013 06: 58
    Yanukovych is a political prostitute! And he wants to sit on a stump with Russia and chew sausage with Europe!!!
  57. Taurus
    0
    2 August 2013 08: 09
    Actually, IMHO, I think that the GDP went to Ukraine in vain. There would be no sense, that was clear. Just a waste of time. To hell with them. They are a cut off piece. They betrayed the Slavic Race, fought against the Russians in Ossetia and are going to Geyropa. Neither add nor subtract. The time has come; the results are in, the result is clear. What is there to talk about?
    1. -4
      2 August 2013 08: 27
      Forgive us - true Aryan or Hyperborean.
      And “Svoboda” claims that Russians are Finno-Ugric and not Slavs
      1. 0
        4 August 2013 07: 15
        We are all human beings first and foremost!
    2. +5
      2 August 2013 08: 32
      Quote: Taurus
      To hell with them. They are a cut piece. They betrayed the Slavic Race, fought against the Russians in Ossetia and are going to Geyropa.

      Stupidity. Several hundred scumbags fought against the Russians, but you classify 40 million as scum for an entire people. am
      1. Taurus
        -5
        2 August 2013 08: 42
        Well, then prove the opposite. Or can’t 40 million cope with a hundred thugs? Who are you fooling around with?
        1. -4
          2 August 2013 08: 53
          General Vlasov and other patriots
          1. smiths xnumx
            +3
            2 August 2013 15: 57
            Or maybe you will show at least one monument to the Vlasovites in Russia, or maybe the last of the Kaminsky SS brigade walk the streets of Bryansk commemorating the “heroic deeds” of their ancestors, like in Lvov the descendants of the SS division “Galicia” and Banderlogs from the OUN-UPA. True, one idiot erected a monument to the German bedding Ataman Krasnov in his garden, well, there are fools everywhere. I myself am a resident of Nizhny Novgorod, and so a relative of one of my “countrymen”, a goat in general’s uniform named Vlasov, decided to open his museum. So, local guys “Afghans”, “Chechens” came to her and explained how brightly this museum would burn in the night and what would happen to its visitors and the “idea” somehow faded away. So, you deservedly earned your minus from me personally. With disrespect!
            1. +5
              2 August 2013 20: 05
              When the state ideology is independence, then all kinds of garbage are raked in. Everyone has enough creatures. Declare independence in Siberia, the Don, the Far East...
              it is unknown to whom monuments will be erected there.
              But Bandera’s supporters don’t walk around our Donetsk.
              Yours!
              1. -5
                3 August 2013 23: 42
                Quote: densh
                But Bandera’s supporters don’t walk around our Donetsk.


                Yes, you are all of the same blood. Are they flying around your Donetsk? laughing
        2. +4
          2 August 2013 09: 58
          Quote: Taurus
          Who are you fooling around with?

          You will be rude to your wife. I didn’t drink at the Brudershaft with you and I don’t plan to. In the meantime, go... ignore.
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  59. Taurus
    +3
    2 August 2013 09: 03
    Quote: densh
    Forgive us - true Aryan or Hyperborean.
    And “Svoboda” claims that Russians are Finno-Ugric and not Slavs

    All sorts of Jews generally claim a lot of things. They don’t have to grind bricks with their tongues. I just advise sometimes not to pour all sorts of crap into your ears, but to think with your brain and know the true story. It’s kind of weird to be born on Earth and not know what or where it came from. The head is not just for wearing a hat. It houses the brain and uses it to think.
  60. +1
    2 August 2013 09: 35
    I thought people were already tired of this soap opera, but no, there haven’t been so many comments for a long time. Let him at least decide on something.
  61. fokino1980
    +3
    2 August 2013 09: 51
    Article minus for the wrong message at the very beginning [i] "It actually marked the end of the carnival, imitation diplomacy, with the help of which Moscow and Kyiv, over the past three years or so, allegedly tried to build equal, friendly, mutually beneficial relations in every sense."
    Russia represented by V.V. Putin I’m already tired of persuading (“brother or sister” it doesn’t matter anymore in the gayrope everyone will find a use for all holes) to make concessions, etc. That's enough, it doesn't work. EVERYONE is free! Great people! am
    1. Taurus
      -2
      2 August 2013 10: 17
      Yes. Just go to hell. A fantastic future awaits you, Ukrainians, literally starting in November. Goodbye...and may I never see you again in Russia.
      1. -3
        9 August 2013 10: 30
        Quote: Taurus
        Farewell.....


        will they move away from freebies? laughing ...not likely
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  63. Druid
    +1
    2 August 2013 10: 24
    Quote: densh
    And “Svoboda” claims that Russians are Finno-Ugric and not Slavs
    The same Freedom, claims this about the majority of the population of Ukraine, the smaller, Western part is the descendants of the Tatars, if you are talking about the “fantastic” discovery of geneticists voiced by this radio :)
    1. +2
      2 August 2013 20: 09
      ,,Freedom,, Tyagnibok’s party in our circus,
  64. +1
    2 August 2013 10: 35
    Quote: ATATA
    "The border between Ukraine and Russia is our Berlin Wall."


    Agree. It's time to break down this wall, otherwise we'll all die. soldier
  65. Taurus
    +1
    2 August 2013 10: 52
    Quote: Taurus
    Yes. Just go to hell. A fantastic future awaits you, Ukrainians, literally starting in November. Goodbye...and may I never see you again in Russia.
    Manna from heaven will pour into your mouth straight from heaven. You don't have to do a damn thing. You'll just have to stand there with your mouth open
  66. Zahar Masoch
    -3
    2 August 2013 12: 27
    Quote: AleksUkr
    They have one choice ...

    Snow White and the Seven Dwarfs?
    1. +4
      2 August 2013 20: 30
      ... and seven homos.
  67. escobar
    +3
    2 August 2013 20: 32
    Here you can read about the joys and prosperity of the Bulgarian people after the long-awaited entry into the EU. If you plunge your people into such an abyss, you might run into a pitchfork...
    Do you want to know what awaits Ukraine in the EU? Come to Bulgaria
    http://nabat.mk.ua/news/67185.html
    1. +3
      2 August 2013 20: 45
      In Romania it’s no worse. Only in Kyiv everyone cares...
  68. +4
    2 August 2013 20: 35
    I believe that there are no barriers between Ukraine and Russia! Although I live in Russia, I love Ukraine no less!
    As long as we are united we will not be defeated!!!
    Ukraine - Belarus - Russia - ONE BIG FAMILY
  69. +5
    2 August 2013 20: 43
    “The Ukrainian authorities and the opposition, ready to replace them, have neither the ideas nor the people to propose a clear course for the country’s development.”

    ... not ... it's enough to shout like that! There are ideas and people in Ukraine who can work and develop. The influence of the West and the Amers is strong, plus the desire of the “top” to line their pockets tightly. All this is really dragging Ukraine down the drain.

    “to propose a clear course for the development of the country” - the inertia is still strong... they cover up their theft with “old rags” (the masculines took everything, and what they didn’t take, they ate)
    And the “ostrich position” and theft will tear Ukraine apart
  70. Malleus
    -1
    3 August 2013 00: 05
    And yet, let's sum it up?

    “And it’s our duty, if we remember this, to do what depends on us to fix it.”

    Well, dear debtors, what proposals will there be?
    1. -2
      3 August 2013 00: 26
      Sorry (the rest are banned)
  71. +3
    3 August 2013 00: 06
    QUOTE: Ukraine – Russia: mutual failure

    Perhaps “politicians” in Ukraine are also those “prostitutes” (to yours and ours)! negative
    Well, “politicians” in Russia - as for me, are from the same series - except for two differences - the presence of OIL and GAS am

    Example: TODAY gas for Ukraine = $450!, TOMORROW joining the CU = $200!! - in what way? As our leader says, IN THE NAME OF THE REVOLUTION!
    Question for Russians: are you ready to take on this difference? Do YOU ​​need it? Or won't they even ask YOU? request
    1. +4
      3 August 2013 00: 10
      All politicians are prostitutes without exception!! the only difference is the price!
      1. +3
        3 August 2013 00: 18
        Quote: lonely
        All politicians are prostitutes without exception!! the only difference is the price!

        In general, this is correct, only these prostitutes are protected much better than normal and honest people.
    2. -3
      9 August 2013 10: 43
      Quote: sergey158-29
      Question for Russians: are you ready to take on this difference? Do YOU ​​need it?


      Ukraine disconnected - Russian people paid for gas. They stole gas - Russian people paid for the gas. And now the same option is possible.

      Quote: sergey158-29
      Or won't they even ask YOU?

      They will ask the wrong people.
  72. Malleus
    +1
    3 August 2013 00: 09
    or again chewing snot about the fact that jubilant spectators are “the first fruits of shit-cratization,” etc.?
    COME FROM HEAVEN TO EARTH!!!
  73. Taurus
    +1
    3 August 2013 08: 02
    Of course, I may well run into some negatives, but I’m crazy and I would like to find out what kind of exclusive crap this word Independence is.? So they weren't sitting on the shelf or what? This doesn't translate at all. Like the sound of a plastic doll. That is, there is sound, but there is no meaning.
    1. +1
      3 August 2013 20: 06
      Independence - Percatipole - is driven back and forth by the winds...
  74. +2
    3 August 2013 11: 33
    Mikhail... I think independence is presented as Ukraine's independence from Russia. It’s like the center took everything, and Ukraine was left with nothing. This is quite deeply ingrained in the heads of some Ukrainians and is constantly being fed by the political elite of Ukraine and the Euro-Amer “union”... they are manipulating. I wonder how long this will last?
  75. revera92
    +1
    3 August 2013 15: 45
    Yes, it is more profitable for Russia to have an independent Ukraine, which will pay for gas at world prices. What kind of unification? You want to deprive Gazprom of profits at the expense of Ukrainian enterprises. Yes, you are enemies of your country and the president personally. Are the Russians ready to feed Ukraine? It seems to me that no. It’s the Ukrainians who need Russia and its mineral resources. Russian gentlemen, don’t be fooled, but do everything for your benefit.)
    1. -3
      5 August 2013 10: 24
      Quote: revera92
      will pay for gas at world prices.


      you have to pay for theft and dependency

      Quote: revera92
      You want to deprive Gazprom of profits at the expense of Ukrainian enterprises


      How many businesses do you have left? Two or three?
  76. rocketman
    +2
    3 August 2013 16: 31
    No matter how much everyone here spits about Ukraine’s behavior (and I spit myself), but still Ukraine is meddling in Gay-ropa. Voting for Janek, I also thought that everything would be okay, and the Belarusians and I would form a Slavic union. There were many of us like that, and we were abandoned. Now I have only one hope - that Merkel will say NO and Yanyk will leave. This indicative family got enough of it. The Russians, by the way, are also great - they are absolutely not waging any ideological struggle in Ukraine, having outright lost the information war. But I still believe - We will still be together, history will dot the I's.
    1. +1
      3 August 2013 20: 04
      Quote: rocketman
      The Russians, by the way, are also great - they are absolutely not waging any ideological struggle in Ukraine, having outright lost the information war. But I still believe - We will still be together, history will dot the I's.

      Why fuss when the information enemy himself advertises his bummer?!
    2. rolik
      0
      5 August 2013 11: 20
      [quote=rocketman]The Russians, by the way, are also great - they are absolutely not waging any ideological struggle in Ukraine, having outright lost the information war. But I still believe - We will still be together, history will dot the I's[/quote
      Well, again the Russians are to blame. We are not waging an ideological struggle. Yanukovych, with his policies, is the best agitator for how not to live. He will do everything himself. And all you have to do is vote in the next elections for a non-pro-Western politician. Everything is in your hands, act.
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  78. +4
    4 August 2013 00: 51
    I live in Western Ukraine, not everyone here is nationalists, but the Ukrainian Nazis will blame Russia and Ukraine for the problems of Ukraine for another 300 years, even if they sign an agreement with the EU. They don’t care why we have problems, it’s just all Russia’s fault. Ukraine has joined the WTO and has problems in the economy, because the West has filled it up with its garbage, but I don’t take Ukrainian products myself; all that remains is export only to the CIS republics, a little bit of Asia and Africa. When problems arise with supplies to Russia or the Customs Union, the opposition accuses Russia of being unfriendly towards Ukraine, but not the West for not wanting to take our products. Russia is doing everything right, these people need to be taught. Ukraine wants to have a pro-Western orientation, defend the interests of the West, and make money from Russia. Since you love the West, go and trade with it. Recently, in an interview, Merkel said that they were waiting for Ukraine to join the EU and that it would help them get out of the crisis; Yanukovych literally blossomed from these words. I thought that Ukraine has something like this, but the West doesn’t, and I realized “THE MARKET FOR SALES OF YOUR GARBAGE,” and this means the Ukrainian economy will come to an end, but for the Nazis, Russia will still be to blame for this.
  79. +2
    4 August 2013 03: 06
    The political and economic pandemonium in relations between Russia and Ukraine should be stopped. Of course, Russia lost the information war on the territory of Ukraine and fell behind modern cunning technologies. Our “younger brothers” (almost “our smaller brothers”) are completely “confused” with their statehood. They are still fighting in the Verkhovna Rada, blaming Russia, “Moscow,” for all their sins (due to lack of political intelligence), and the country of Ukraine is degrading lower and lower. The elite are rampaging, and the people in the provinces are silent in poverty. Who needs it - to destroy Ukraine like that?!.. Unbridled nationalism triumphs in the ideology and practice of public life in Ukraine! What kind of rapprochement with Russia can we talk about then? Russia must help the sound minds of the Ukrainian people decide and gain strength, and overcome the anti-Russian hysteria inspired by America and Western Europe. Until this happens, Russia will not really help Ukraine. Nowadays, any actions of Russia in relations with Ukraine are “interpreted” by the Western propaganda machine as malicious. The West rules the Ukrainian propaganda “market”. He needs to be thrown out of there. The West has practically succeeded in its plan to drive a wedge between Russia and Ukraine and completely break them apart. After all, individually we are weaker “if something happens”... Economically, Ukraine has already been fairly “collapsed”.
  80. Taurus
    0
    4 August 2013 10: 04
    There is no pandemonium. You do not understand the essence of Russian relations towards Ukraine. And its essence is this: just go to. What are you asking for? What is the point of your presence? Betray, steal? You are incapable of anything other than stealing. Go to hell
  81. Taurus
    0
    4 August 2013 10: 24
    I understand that you are hurt and sad and generally miserable. But I am Russian, not a midwife. You yourself chose the path and betrayed the Slavs. Now figure it out yourself.
    1. andrey_sk
      0
      4 August 2013 13: 23
      Truly so. They betrayed the Slavs (Russians, Tajiks, Kazakhs) - let them now go to the Poles, Czechs, Bulgarians, Slovaks and other Chukhons. That's where they go.
    2. -1
      5 August 2013 00: 46
      Quote: Taurus
      I understand that you are hurt and sad and generally miserable.


      Yes, it’s hard for adequate Ukrainians.
      I would like to ask another part of the Ukrainian population: did you want such independence? Car repair plant c 4, JSC Plant liquidated
      VNIITELEKTROMASH, pilot plant The plant was liquidated
      Radio Component Plant Plant liquidated
      "Sickle and Molot" Plant liquidated
      Tractor engines KhZTD Plant liquidated
      ...

      Ahhh... I see... do you want to live on dating, so that Russia supports the lazy?
  82. vkrav
    +2
    4 August 2013 11: 29
    If Russia had not pursued a protectionist policy towards Ukraine, directly sanctioned by the United States, Ukraine would have lasted so long. In fact, the States supported Ukraine at Russia’s expense.
  83. GEO
    GEO
    0
    4 August 2013 19: 00
    Quote: Dangerous
    The draft association agreement will face the fate of a reservation in a collapsing Europe without the right to vote, but with obligations to strictly carry out all the “bugs” of the new owner. Deindustrialization, desovereignization, depopulation, deintellectualization (moronization) and dedemocratization - this is what Medvedchuk prophesied for Ukraine, following “CT”. Putin, apparently, agreed with him. He noted the decline in Ukrainian-Russian relations and praised the CU in every possible way: “In the first quarter of this year, our trade turnover with Ukraine fell by more than 17 percent. In the countries of the Customs Union, it is

    Is the largest country in the world living poorly? Have you heard enough of Echo of Moscow?
  84. -3
    13 August 2013 13: 11
    The venality of fat eaters knows no bounds. It's unfortunate, we wouldn't sell ourselves for organs

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