About Russian national self-standing

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Modern generations of Russian people go through difficult historical a school that should free them from all political and national illusions and open their eyes to the originality of the Russian people, to the precious originality of its culture, to its state tasks and to its enemies. Enough blindness, naivety and gullibility! Anyone who loves Russia must vigilantly observe, think objectively and draw conclusions. Only then the lessons sent to us will not be wasted.

While living in pre-revolutionary Russia, none of us took into account the extent to which organized public opinion in the West is against Russia and against the Orthodox Church. We visited Western Europe, studied its culture, communicated with representatives of its science, its religion, its politicians, and naively assumed from them the same friendly complacency towards us, with which we turn to them; and they watched us, not understanding us and leaving to themselves their thoughts and intentions. We, of course, read the visionary and wise N.Ya. Danilevsky (“Russia and Europe”, p. 50) these warning, precise words: “Europe does not know (us) because it does not want to know; or, better to say, he knows what he wants to know — that is, how he corresponds to her preconceived opinions, passions, pride, hatred and contempt ”(we add only this: and her power-hungry intentions). We read and thought: “Is it really true? But do we have allies in Europe? After all, Europe counts with the voice of the Russian Government, and even fawns on Russia! Not all the people there are infected with hatred ... And why should they hate us? ”

Today, we must answer all these questions for sure. Danilevsky was right. Western nations are afraid of our number, our space, our unity, our growing power (until it really grows), our spiritual and spiritual structure, our faith and church, our intentions, our economy and our army. They fear us; and for complacency they inspire themselves - with the help of newspapers, books, sermons and speeches, confessional, diplomatic and military intelligence, backstage and salon nashepty - that the Russian people are barbarous, stupid, insignificant, accustomed to slavery and despotism, to injustice and cruelty ; that his religiosity consists of dark superstition and empty rites; that his bureaucracy is distinguished by wholesale corruption; that a war with him can always be won through bribery; that it can be easily invoked on the revolution and infected with the Reformation — and then dismembered, to bend, to remake in its own way, to impose upon it our callous rationality, its “faith” and its state form.

Russian emigrants who love Russia and are faithful to it, who do not disappear by someone else's preaching and not serving in foreign intelligence services, are obliged to know all this, to follow that contemptuous hatred and the plans they have been carrying; they have neither grounds, nor the right to wait for salvation from the West, nor from Pilsudski, nor from Hitler, nor from the Vatican, nor from Eisenhower, nor from the world backstage. Russia has no sincere well-wishers in the world. The Russian people can only rely on God and on themselves. The Russian people can only free themselves: to grind the Bolshevik yoke in slow flour; instill the national Russianness of the party periphery; to strengthen their spiritual strength in catacomb Orthodoxy; and slowly but steadily loosen the Council, its bureaucracy and its territorial clash; and then wait for a favorable world situation, reset hypnosis of the communist devil and return to your historical path. And we, Russian patriots scattered everywhere, must understand this, utter it to ourselves and, helping this internal process with all our might, prepare for this historic hour in order to hurry to help our people in time, with firm faith in God, with new creative ideas, with thoughtful plans, with all the will energy, which would then be required from the Russian people.

The Russian people will be free and revived only by their own state, and each of us (regardless of age and generation) will be all the more necessary for them, the more they will be able to observe their independence, their independent opinion, their energy, their spiritual “neprodannost” and “invisibility” in emigration. . We know that there are people who think and act differently, all the time trying to “tie their shuttle to the stern of a large ship”; cling to the "Pilsudski", then to the "Hitler", then to the Vatican, then to the world behind the scenes. And, knowing this, we warn them: their ways are anti-national, spiritually false and historically hopeless. If they are “supported”, then only on a certain condition: to serve not Russia, but the interests of the supporter; to reckon not with the Russian national good, but with the program donor. They may be helped, but not to save and build Russia, but to act in it at the direction of someone else’s headquarters or someone else’s government; in other words, they will be helped to acquire the title of foreign agents and Russian traitors and to earn the contempt of the Russian people forever.

Do we really need to remember the history of these thirty years? The story of how the Russian white armies were abandoned by the French in the south, the British in the north and Czechoslovakians in Siberia; the story of how Pilsudstky reacted to Denikin and Wrangel, how Baron Malzan agreed with the Soviets in Rapallo; how Lloyd George hastened to start trading with the "cannibals", and German Reich Chancellor Wirth invested the Vatican capital in forest concessions in the Russian north; how in Moscow Brockdorf-Rantzau had fun at night with Chicherin's music and something else; as a pater (and then prelate) Michel d'Erbigny twice (1926 and 1928) traveled to Moscow to conclude a “concordat” with Satan, who was known to him, and, returning, printed abominations about the Russian people and the Orthodox Church ... Is all this and much, much more forgotten?

It would be extremely interesting to read honestly written memoirs of those Russian patriots who tried to “work” with Hitler: did they meet with an understanding of the “Russian problem”? sympathy for the sufferings of the Russian people? Consent to free and revive Russia? At least on the terms of "eternal German-Russian friendship"? And yet: when did they manage to consider that they are being brazenly carried out? When they guessed that neither foreign policy (at all!), Nor war (at all!) - are not being fought because of other people's interests? When each of them came the moment that he, hitting his head with a fist, called himself "a political blind man who was involved in a dirty story", or else "a naive armor-bearer of the Russian national enemy?" ..
For years we have been witnessing all such attempts by Russian émigrés, and we all again and again ask ourselves: from which clouds have these inhabitants fell to the ground? Where did they get these sentimental dreams of “disinterestedness” of international politics and of the “wisdom” of foreign headquarters? where do they have this confidence that they will be able to “persuade” and lead such-and-such (anyway!) united foreign center with its biased decisions, and not he will play them and use them like runners-up semi-negotiators? How many were there, such ploys! They conceived, hoped, hoped, wrote, filed, “cooked up”, whispered and boasted of success ... And what came of all this? ..

But there were more “clever” ones: these soon realized that Russian patriotism did not promise success, that it was necessary to go for separatism and the dismemberment of Russia. Before our eyes, one such “figure” invented the idea of ​​“the Turan national minority, oppressed by Russian despotism and eager to adopt the Catholic faith”; and now, he already had a speech in front of the members of the Hungarian parliament, to whom he expounded his “projects”, and he had already received the Hungarian order ... And then? Then - he died, and Hungary fell first to Hitler, and then to Stalin. Meanwhile, a group of emigrant separatists whispered with the Germans about the "liberation" (?!) Of Ukraine and created a powerful center of separatist and anti-Russian propaganda in Berlin, while Hitler did not disperse them as superfluous. And here, before our eyes, Russian emigrants poured into the world behind the scenes, hoped to instill in her understanding and sympathy for Russia and left the stage: some publicly announcing that they stumbled upon the requirement of blind obedience and steadfast hostility to national Russia, others voluntarily disappearing behind iron curtain, third, surrendering their positions and ending their lives in the cemetery.

Years passed, the convulsions of the Second World War ended. And so, again, the same attempts began to “tie their black-out to the stern of a large ship”; consolidating in advance with his course and direction. And again you ask yourself: what is this - all the same childish naivety or much worse ?! For, in essence, none of the foreigners did not see the light at all, did not change his mind about anything, did not change his attitude towards national Russia and did not recover from his contempt and lust for power. And those of us who have the opportunity to follow world public opinion, with alarm, foresee in the future all the same movement along the same tracks, leading Western politicians into a dead end of past mistakes.
No, Russia will be saved only self-state, and we all need to observe our full spiritual independence!

January 9, 1950
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  1. +39
    1 August 2013 07: 35
    It would be extremely interesting to read honestly written memoirs of those Russian patriots who tried to “work” with Hitler: belay since when did traitors become patriots? Anyone who united himself with an invader who invaded the Fatherland while hiding behind the idea of ​​liberation or overthrow of the regime is a TRADER. Things need to be called by their proper names.
    1. +19
      1 August 2013 09: 31
      That's what I wrote about it yesterday in comments to the GeoMosaic of Dude ...
      There are several “harmful” thoughts in this article, Voersky has identified one ...
      The comments below are unanimous (at this point)) only Trescoed designated Depardieu and Snowden as "seeing the light")))) in relation to Russia (not to the people))

      important clarification ...
      Because Russia is separate ..... and its Russian People-separately, by manipulation _ let's say ....,
      We oppose the State .... it is not in Our interests ....
      accepts "pissing" actors who run not to Russian Culture, but FROM TAXES)))
      Snowden - remember where he first flew and where he gave an interior view ????? to American Newspapers .....
      ... but his Chinese comrades "asked" him (they prochukhali foulbrood)), Transnational Corporations "asked" Putin and he began to "play" by their rules (however, as always)))

      The article is harmful, but I didn’t set it as a minus, because it can be useful for arranging coordinates in the brain if it is supplemented with comments from comrades ...

      Good morning comrades!
      1. +21
        1 August 2013 17: 10
        The article is filthy. Read to
        "... in slow agony, grind the Bolshevik yoke; instill national Russianness in the party periphery; strengthen their spiritual forces in catacomb Orthodoxy; and slowly but steadily shake the Soviet land ..."
        and threw it away. Vrazhina of Russia wrote. I wanted to go and wash my hands, as if I had touched some kind of dirt.
        1. 0
          4 August 2013 14: 35
          slowly but steadily shatter the Soviet council, its bureaucracy and its territorial clamp; and then - wait for a favorable world environment, relieve the hypnosis of communist devilry and return to its historical path.

          Quote: vladimirZ
          The article is filthy.


          I fully agree. The shit that wrote it from a cohort of information infoworks. Nothing but a sickening abomination does not cause. am
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    2. +7
      1 August 2013 10: 49
      Quote: Tersky
      since when did traitors become patriots? Anyone who united himself with an invader who invaded the Fatherland while hiding behind the idea of ​​liberation or overthrow of the regime is a TRADER. Things need to be called by their proper names.

      So in the article about this and says:
      when did they manage to consider that they were being brazenly carried out? When did they realize that neither foreign policy (in general!), Nor war (in general!) Were waged because of the interests of others? When each of them came the moment that, having hit himself with a fist on the head, he called himself “a political blind man who was involved in a dirty history”, or else “a naive squire of a Russian national enemy?” ..
    3. +19
      1 August 2013 11: 40
      General Vlasov tried to work with Hitler. He is an "honest Russian patriot" ???

      An honest Russian patriot is General AI Denikin, who sent Hitler's envoys far away, who offered him cooperation "for the liberation of Russia from Bolshevism."
      1. +8
        2 August 2013 09: 13
        Yes, Vlasov is an elementary coward and a traitor, and more precisely, a lackey of the Hitlerite scum - he himself is the same. He ruined one army then another and ran out of fear of responsibility to the enemy. A traitor can never be a patriot. And we will remember Anton Ivanovich Denikin not by his participation in the Civil War, and according to his patriotic behavior during the Second World War.
    4. +8
      1 August 2013 17: 06
      Now they are made of heroes: Kolchak, Wrangel, Krasnov.
      About Kolchak already shot the film.
      Only no one wants to make a film about Denikin, his attempts at reform, and why he left the White Guard.
      I warn you: if there is a film, then ALL the Cossacks are in shit.
      1. +4
        2 August 2013 21: 02
        I’m happy to watch a film from then on by Denikin, if only because:

        In 1942, the German authorities again offered Denikin cooperation and relocation to Berlin, this time demanding, according to Ippolitov’s interpretation, that he lead anti-communist forces from among Russian emigrants under the auspices of the Third Reich, but received the general’s decisive refusal

        Gordeev, referring to information obtained in archival documents, cites information that in 1943, Denikin sent a wagon with medicines to the Red Army at his own expense, which puzzled Stalin and the Soviet leadership. It was decided to take the medications, and not to disclose the name of the author of their dispatch

        Remaining a staunch opponent of the Soviet system, he called on emigrants not to support Germany in the war with the USSR (the slogan “Defending Russia and the overthrow of Bolshevism”), repeatedly calling all representatives of emigration collaborating with Germans “obscurantists”, “defeatists” and “Hitler fans”
    5. +1
      1 August 2013 20: 19
      Quote: Tersky
      It would be extremely interesting to read honestly written memoirs of those Russian patriots who tried to “work” with Hitler: belay since when did traitors become patriots? Anyone who united himself with an invader who invaded the Fatherland while hiding behind the idea of ​​liberation or overthrow of the regime is a TRADER. Things need to be called by their proper names.

      The reality is not square or round ... Of course, at first glance you agree with this opinion, but what about General Lukin, who made an attempt to cooperate with the Nazis on his own terms? My tongue does not dare to call him a traitor. It is important that moves a person : striving for good for the Fatherland or personal interests; whether his actions reflect an objective necessity or are the result of his delusions. Lukin acted out of love for his homeland, attempting to exit the war on more or less acceptable conditions for the USSR, only later, making sure that it was unacceptable for the fascists of his plan, he turned off any contacts with the enemy.
    6. 4952915
      +3
      2 August 2013 04: 39
      What's so interesting. If I do not confuse the name, General Shkuro left memories, so-so, self-justification.
    7. +10
      2 August 2013 09: 01
      I fully support you and want to add about General A.I. Denikin: after all, unlike Krasnov Shkuro and the same Vlasov, he did not go to serve the enemies of his Fatherland, because he was a true patriot and a Russian general. And if I am not mistaken, he said about that the duty of an honest Russian officer and patriot to be with Russia at this difficult time for her!
    8. Yoshkin Kot
      -2
      2 August 2013 15: 45
      exactly like the same "patriots" Judeo-Bolsheviks
  2. +14
    1 August 2013 07: 39
    I'm reading now "Betrayed Russia" by Nikolai Starikov... This story is more than three hundred years old. Who did not betray us! But the most terrible internal betrayals for the sake of "partners" are still internal betrayals: Gorbachev and Alexander 1, Ulyanov. And behind every betrayal England's ears stick out. (Later states) Outside (without internal "help") we cannot be broken.
    1. dmb
      +11
      1 August 2013 10: 32
      This is certainly a matter of taste, but if I were you, I would read more serious literature. And the point is not at all whether Starikov's views coincide or not. It's just that his "work" is a frank compilation. It is a little wider than a school history textbook and much narrower than any textbook for a history student. The author's own "thoughts" are less than in a first-year student's essay, and those that are presented do not shine with evidence. I am personally more interested in another question? Who finances the publication of Starikov's "creations"? After all, this is not a newspaper article, a book is a much more expensive thing and, at the present time, has little payback. In order to be bought, it must contain some new information, for which it is not a pity to give money. To be honest, in this book I have not found a single new fact or logical explanation for the existing ones, different from the one that existed before.
      1. 4952915
        +1
        2 August 2013 04: 42
        Obviously, you have not read either school textbooks or "textbooks for a student of history faculty", not to mention the "Historical Bulletin" and special editions))) You will be surprised, but the books of NV Starikov. are on the bestseller lists and pay off quite well, there is not the slightest need to finance the author.
        1. dmb
          0
          3 August 2013 20: 06
          Curious, and from what do you draw such a conclusion? Apparently, you give out assessments as well as Starikov, without bothering yourself with special evidence. Otherwise, share what you learned new by reading his work. It’s interesting, but what is it: scientific research, fiction ...? I think you know the concept of compilation.
      2. 0
        2 August 2013 21: 06
        Can you advise what to read instead of Starikov?
        1. dmb
          0
          3 August 2013 20: 07
          Does it depend on what you want to receive?
    2. 12345
      +11
      1 August 2013 15: 23
      Quote: a52333
      ... And behind every betrayal England's ears stick out. (Later states) Outside (without internal "help") we cannot be broken.


      England, after, at the suggestion of "Henry VIII" who was mired in debauchery (who died of syphilis) invented its own "church", it hopelessly fell under the total control of the Jewish capital.
      The same fate, over time, "quite naturally" befell the United States. A "world government" emerged.

      With Russia "it almost worked out", but the "bloody dictator Stalin" appeared and "ruined" everything.
      The second attempt with Russia turned out to be "almost, almost", but here again, completely unexpectedly, out of nowhere, a "bad" one appeared, as it turned out later for THEM, Putin.

      Remember how THEY were asking him absolutely dumbfounded: "Who are you, Mr. Putin?" A surprise!


      Look at our "handshake" opposition - and the last doubts will disappear, from where and whose ears (or - sideways?) Grow.

      "Nothing personal, just business ..." ©
      1. S_mirnov
        +9
        1 August 2013 16: 13
        "Look at our" handshake "opposition - and the last doubts will disappear, from where and whose ears (or - sideways?) Grow."
        On closer inspection, you will find protruding ears and pace not only in the pseudo-opposition, but also in the vertical of power and modern media.
        For the owners of both projects are one. For example, the surname Sobchak exponentially combines these two projects.
        1. 12345
          +2
          1 August 2013 21: 23
          I can not disagree with you.

          "... everywhere they crawl into the dough with yeast ..." (© Guberman)

          And - without soap.
      2. Furnace driver
        0
        1 August 2013 20: 01
        Quote: 12345
        Remember how THEY were asking him absolutely dumbfounded: "Who are you, Mr. Putin?" A surprise!

        from what, from what, was it so widely promoted, and all over the planet, that in the end the "West" wanted the aborigines and themselves such a president? request
        1. 12345
          0
          1 August 2013 21: 25
          Sorry, "niasilil" your stream of consciousness.
          1. Furnace driver
            +2
            2 August 2013 08: 00
            promoted by Western media better than Western leaders.
    3. +4
      1 August 2013 17: 24
      In addition to Starikov, there are still writers.
      The more sources of information, the more accurate the conclusions.
    4. +4
      1 August 2013 19: 49
      Quote: a52333
      I'm reading now "Betrayed Russia" by Nikolai Starikov... This story is more than three hundred years old. Who did not betray us! But the most terrible internal betrayals for the sake of "partners" are still internal betrayals: Gorbachev and Alexander 1, Ulyanov. And behind every betrayal England's ears stick out. (Later states) Outside (without internal "help") we cannot be broken.

      The old men are not an ignoramus, but a conjuncturist. He knows very well that Ulyanov did not sell Russia, but he talks about it for the sake of liberals, but books must be published.
      From the first days of the revolution of 1905, the British financed the Socialist-Revolutionaries and put them on them, Kerensky was the Socialist-Revolutionary, all the White Guard headquarters were overrun by the Socialist-Revolutionaries.
      The assassination of Lenin and his government was prepared for the summer of 1918 by the English spies Lockhart and Reilly (Lockhart conspiracy) and was supposed to happen at the same time as the Socialist-Revolutionaries all over Russia, but failed.
    5. +8
      2 August 2013 07: 25
      I agree, England hated, hates and will hate Russia! This is Enemy No. 1
  3. +8
    1 August 2013 07: 44
    where did they get these sentimental dreams about the “disinterestedness” of international politics and the “wisdom” of foreign headquarters

    There can be no talk of any sentimentality. All these "sentimental dreams" are paid for from the same foreign headquarters. These paid dreamers play the role of the fifth column in their own country to destroy it for the benefit of the enemy.
  4. +11
    1 August 2013 07: 51
    An expat article for expats! From behind the hillock, of course, it is better to know "how to equip Russia" ... "Patriots" mlyn, consider themselves the color of the nation ... Let them first arrange a good thread in the camps whose citizenship they took!
  5. Grenz
    +19
    1 August 2013 07: 57
    Already laid out this koment. But in this case, too.
    The West and the Orthodox World - this is the axis of confrontation from time immemorial.
    All theories, from the Crusades to current strategies, have one goal: DESTROY CIVILIZATION, which is fundamentally different from the postulates of Western religions and the principles of government. (Example: how Germany finishes Greece and Cyprus).
    Some comparisons from history:
    Feudalism. The feudal lord had a castle and vassals. When the enemy attacked, the vassals scattered or were captured, the castle was protected by raiders (mercenaries). The feudal lord did not give his people, he was afraid.
    Russia. Princes built the Kremlin. Posad people sat around. The enemy was going to Russia. Where ordinary people went. On the Kremlin walls. Each Kremlin has the most fortified building, which does not exist and could not be in any Castle. CHILD. On the Kremlin walls, people defended statehood and their children (UNION).
    The feudal lord came to the enemy, building a battle formation as a pig (not only for tactical reasons, but also so that the Landsknechts would not run away) - i.e. TEAM.
    Ours on Kulikovo field stood in SHELVES. POLK - there is a Russian military association. To stand on the battlefield IN THE ELBOW - brother on the right, father on the left, countrymen near. Here is the strength of the regiment.
    And so we can continue further.
    No matter how we (i.e. I apologize, not we, but ours ...) would not bend before the West - it will never recognize our values And WE WILL NOT CHANGE THEM UNDER ANY GOVERNOR!
    And let them come up with theories. Bismarck also warned - never go to war with Russia ...
    1. +3
      1 August 2013 08: 52
      Even the most favorable outcome of the war will never lead to the decomposition of the main power of Russia, which is based on millions of Russians ... These latter, even if they are dismembered by international treatises, are just as quickly reconnected with each other as particles of a cut piece of mercury ...
      Source: http://www.aphorisme.ru/by-authors/bismark/?q=836
      Otto von Bismarck.
    2. +12
      1 August 2013 17: 30
      It is not entirely clear, but it is worth developing the Thought.
      West - warriors and peasants separately
      Russia - ALL liable for military service
      Who does not serve is not Russian
      This proves Not the call of the Central Asians to the 1st World War.
    3. +2
      2 August 2013 06: 05
      Sensibly, plus.
  6. 0
    1 August 2013 08: 17
    none of the foreigners did not see at all, didn’t change his mind, didn’t change his attitude to national Russia, and was not cured of his contempt and lust for power.

    And Depardieu, Snowden (son and father)? Jews returning from the promised land? The rest are afraid!
    1. +9
      1 August 2013 08: 32
      We can assume that they are lucky. Usually, the views of foreigners on our country with you begin to see clearly in much harsher conditions ... a pure field ... a birch cross and thoughts before death "what have we forgotten here." But it's' too late.
  7. +9
    1 August 2013 08: 55
    Do not hope that once using the weakness of Russia, you will receive dividends forever. Russians always come for their money. And when they come - do not rely on the Jesuit agreements that you have signed, supposedly justifying you. They are not worth the paper on which they are written. Therefore, it is worth playing with the Russians honestly, or not at all. Otto von Bismarck
    Well, when will we go for the dough? It’s time to present the bills!
  8. optimist
    +12
    1 August 2013 10: 09
    Article minus. How long can you talk about the "intrigues of the West" and be indignant at this? It's like being like a foolish cattle breeder whose wolves steal sheep: instead of building a good fence and getting dogs, he walks around and tells everyone which "wolves" are bad. As they say in the West: nothing personal, just business. And until Russia realizes that it can live independently and without looking back to the West, we will not live well. And the current convulsive attempts of the Russian authorities with all their might to lick the West in ... ooo are nothing more than an illusion to gain some kind of legitimacy for their gangster-oligarchic essence. Yes, and "spread straws": what if the "plebs" rebel?
    1. +7
      1 August 2013 20: 32
      The article is actually not about the machinations of the West, but about our fools-Westerners.
    2. +1
      2 August 2013 06: 18
      Something lately I have not observed that the Russian authorities tried to lick anyone. Individuals and families are not without a freak, as they say. But for the most part, cookies are shown on the contrary; yes they smile, sometimes they even nod, but they do it their own way. I am sure soon they will stop smiling. So minus.
  9. +12
    1 August 2013 10: 36
    Quote: engineer74
    An expat article for expats!

    I agree. At first they brought the state with its inaction, its arrogant contempt for the common people before the revolution. Then they lost the civilian and rushed into exile. In every possible way they spoiled their Motherland (not all of course, and nonetheless) And they supposedly came to their senses, but all one, hatred did not pass:
    grind the Bolshevik yoke ... steadily shatter the Soviet council, its bureaucracy and its territorial clamp; ... cast off the hypnosis of communist devilry
    Thanks to the "Bolshevik yoke," Soviet troops ended the war in Berlin, Vienna and Prague. The USSR spread its influence over a third of the world and rushed into space. And "their nobility" together with the "spiritual shepherds" pissed away the First World War, went to cooperate with the enemies of Russia and call
    strengthen your spiritual strength in catacomb Orthodoxy;

    These gentlemen did not understand anything. They, as before, are not with the people, but above them. They still do not consider themselves part of the people, but want to lead and manage, simply command:
    And we, scattered everywhere Russian patriots, must understand this, pronounce it for ourselves and, helping our best with this internal process, prepare for this historic hour in order to hurry to the aid of our people in time - with firm faith in God, with new creative ideas, with thoughtful plans, with all the will and energy that would then be required from a Russian person.

    From the catacombs with "creative ideas and thoughtful plans"?
    No, they don’t fly from catacombs into space.
    1. -1
      2 August 2013 21: 20
      Do you seriously think that the revolution came from the contempt of "their nobility" for the common people? As far as I know, Trotsky wrote in his memoirs that if we had put forward the White movement with the slogan of restoring the monarchy, we (the Reds) would not have resisted.
      In World War I, the Germans did not reach Moscow and our losses were not nearly 30 million !!! The war was supposed to end in the summer, because in the spring the king was preparing a decisive offensive. As a result of victory, Russia would receive Constantinople and the Balkans. According to the estimates of Mendeleev, RI should have had a population of 20 million by the middle of the 500th century! My question is whether the Bolshevik yoke without brackets is too high a price?
      1. +2
        2 August 2013 23: 14
        Quote: azkolt
        Do you seriously think that the revolution came from the contempt of "their nobility" for the common people?

        There is never one, all explanatory reason. When a colossal, out of the ordinary event occurs, then this is a consequence of many conditions and factors that are superimposed on each other and repeatedly enhance their joint action.
        And yet. The separation of the elite from the masses, contempt for the needs of the common people, the very situation when the leading stratum and the pseudo intelligentsia serving it live as if in different countries with the bulk of the population, is one of the main reasons for the revolution
        Quote: azkolt
        As far as I know, Trotsky wrote in his memoirs,

        As far as I know, the phrase "peeps like Trotsky" characterizes many of the statements of this ghoul.
        Quote: azkolt
        In World War I, the Germans did not reach Moscow and our losses were not nearly 30 million !!!

        Why in 1941 we retreated to Moscow and why we lost so many people, I have an understanding. There were reasons, false ideas, there were certain goals and dogmas in the pre-war period, the blind following of which led to such consequences. But why and why we got involved in the First World War, why they suffered a shameful defeat from Japan, why the fleet of the Russian Empire was crushed, I do not see any convincing, understandable and undeniable reasons.
        Quote: azkolt
        The war was supposed to end in the summer, because in the spring the king was preparing a decisive offensive. As a result of victory, Russia would receive Constantinople and the Balkans.

        Is not a fact. Not a fact. In addition, the February Revolution, the abdication of the Tsar did not Trotsky and the Bolsheviks. This was done by the very pseudo elite, generals and nobles. That is, it was the top management class who lost the almost won war.
        Quote: azkolt
        According to the calculations of Mendeleev, RI should have had a population of 20 million by the middle of the 500th century! My question is whether the Bolshevik yoke without brackets is too high a price?

        Too! Too high a price for the idea of ​​world revolution and, if you call a spade a spade, world domination. But this all the more does not justify impotence, laziness, complacency and self-conceit of the leadership, the upper stratum of managers, officers of the army and navy, police and gendarmerie, merchants and industrialists, clergy and intelligentsia of the Russian Empire.
      2. +2
        2 August 2013 23: 48
        Quote: azkolt
        . As a result of victory, Russia would receive Constantinople and the Balkans.

        Here is the info and comments on it http://topwar.ru/29023-karta-dnya-poluchila-by-rossiya-posle-pobedy-v-pervoy-mir
        ovoy-prolivy.html
        Quote: azkolt
        According to the estimates of Mendeleev, RI should have had a population of 20 million by the middle of the 500th century!
        With all due respect to the great Russian chemist, D. I. Mendeleev's work "To the Knowledge of Russia" (1906) is nothing more than a forecast, without taking into account the realities of time. Mendeleev did not take into account the "natural population growth" - the difference between the number of births and the number of deaths. Consequently, a decrease in growth may result from both an increase in mortality and a lack of births. I did not take into account the demographic stages that spoil the statistics of population growth, for example: the transition of the bulk of the population to an urban lifestyle, the emancipation of women, natural (and forced) migration. Mendeleev was made according to the results of the 1897 census, but he could not predict the Russo-Japanese and World War I. It was smooth on paper ...
        1. +1
          4 August 2013 09: 25
          Quote: Be proud.
          Mendeleev’s conclusion was made based on the results of the 1897 census of the year, but he could not predict the Russo-Japanese war and the first World War.

          Naturally, "I could not," because he was a scientist and not a seer and relied on "dry" statistics in his calculations. Where could he, just a mortal know about the upheavals that subsequently happened to our country. By the way, YOU missed the Great Patriotic War ...
          1. 0
            5 August 2013 05: 44
            Quote: Corsair
            . By the way, you missed the Great Patriotic War ...

            He missed, intentionally, like the two revolutions of 17 years and the Civil War.
            Quote: Corsair
            because he was a scientist and not a seer
            Exactly, there are things that need to be done with caution. I repeat, I in no way belittle his merits .., in chemistry. The 1897 census is not statistics, but a dry conclusion, the result obtained as a result of an action whose purpose was to find out the final figure for a certain period of time. Everything else is an attempt to extrapolate.
  10. +3
    1 August 2013 10: 57
    Article "plus"!
    She once again reminds us that we are Russian and we have something that should be unshakable.
    1. +6
      1 August 2013 11: 28
      I do not agree a bit - Russians in exile - yes, we must constantly remind them that they are Russian, otherwise they assimilate there, but here we do not need to do this at all, because Russian becomes Russian, as they say, with mother’s milk, recognition of his belonging to the Russian people and culture in Russian man - an integral part of his consciousness in general. You can’t imagine yourself without, say, your spine? So, for example, I feel like a Russian without any unnecessary reminders (and you think too). and from my article, in my humble opinion, it’s necessary to make a different conclusion — we must stop naive and trusting towards the West, although it has long been understood by most sane people that you can get profit from it (he’s only doing it himself), but trust him - not.
      1. Cat
        +9
        1 August 2013 12: 51
        Quote: Albert1988
        Russians in exile - yes, we must constantly remind them that they are Russian

        Emigrants in the first generation can remain Russians. Their children, who have never seen Russia, are no longer Russians; they consider their nationality according to their parents to be nothing more than a "cool" bonus in communication with their peers.
        These are not my conclusions - this is the opinion of many of my friends who have settled in the States, Canada and Australia.

        Another funny moment is not in the subject: local aborigines imagine Russians from Hollywood films, in which Russians are played by Jewish emigrants of the first wave. The students of the Canadian school in Edmonton had a break in the template when the son of my friend was enrolled in their class - a "Slavic wardrobe" in physique and a "true Aryan" appearance. They said - "you do not look like a Russian at all" belay
  11. +6
    1 August 2013 12: 44
    And we, Russian patriots scattered everywhere. Not patriots, but cowards who left their homeland in difficult times. You say they’re raking, and we’ll return to the ready later.
    1. -2
      2 August 2013 21: 25
      I hope you do not mean immigrants of the first wave?
  12. +4
    1 August 2013 13: 14
    Yes, they are simply afraid of us. The West does not understand the Russians and does not want to understand. It’s more expensive to fight with us, but to be friends. And the West always comes to us with its own rules and probably doesn’t know the saying about the monastery and the charter. They don’t understand that we can’t do it differently. Everything is going on as it is and changing under the Western way of life oh, it’s not easy. And because of this they are afraid of us, are afraid of our distances, are afraid of our winter, we are afraid of the inhabitants of Russia themselves. We got used to another 200 km the country, and we have 200 km on a weekend to go to the cottage.
  13. +3
    1 August 2013 14: 45
    [quote] [Russia only salvation will be saved / quote]
    .... or I am a bit of that ..., or ... Five times I read the title ... but I still could not grasp the term "SELF" ... Can someone explain this word to me? ... No, don't look for a dirty trick ... I'm serious !!!
  14. Fedych
    -1
    1 August 2013 16: 38
    The article is archival, archy complex, and archly deceiving in its seeming simplicity and general accessibility in understanding by everyone and its, especially spiritual component of the so-called. Orthodoxy. Ask why? I’ll answer, yes, because this so-called ORTHODOXY is not a letter, a law, a sum and a result of rationally proved and assimilable knowledge, but just a super-rational, super-logical ontological-existentially obvious fact of coming into our mortal world from Above, from Above, with The message, which was neither ancient Greek and Roman, nor Buddhist, Taoist and other systems, as a generated search for the human mind based on its earthly laws, was, in principle, accessible and was not acceptable. Once again, why and the answer is yes, because the OT Jews are not devoid of meaning and reason, but deprived of the Spirit and support from Above, they could neither understand, nor accept, nor comprehend this new and the News and Reality of its embodiment, and the concretization of the OZO law to specific conditions , and already, spread not only by its own and from its own, but preserving the wise of its own, dates, new freedom and others from others .. ..This is difficult! - and the main idea, intuition of the author of the article revolves around this constantly. Weakness? - lies in the fact that he did not mark and did not outline the huge and most complicated layer of practice and the way to ascend to the New High Kingdom. The doctrine of the Lord is not a new and yet another theory (contemplation, path) of another of the so-called great Teachers, and the fact of a concrete reality and ontology (being, former, reality, a concrete fact and event visual, eye-eye visible and convincing for a simple layman from the street.). What does this mean? - what does the so-called. the word is pre-flattery. I answer, As sitting on a glass and a dose, he sees neither the reality of his plight, nor the desire to get out of it, the whole old system of knowledge of the time of Jesus Lord, which already included in that time the detailed teachings and systems of India, China, Greek -Rima, as much as she could and justified and argued. This also includes the teachings of the followers of the OT of that time, which was by no means identical, consistent and mutually acceptable to all. So, the author of the article, basing on the experience of the causes and consequences of the collapse of the Orthodox Power, briefly and casually tries to convey to us the essence and basis of the lie, which at one time destroyed and divided VZ-Israel, and later the united Christian world, in the person of - Byzantium with its half, and then our tsarist Russia. -Send part, because I don’t know the rules on time
    1. Fedych
      -2
      1 August 2013 17: 06
      I add, the basis and essence of the truth of Christ the Lord, is the news of the end of the old system of time, with its causal understanding of the events of that time, that in Judaism, that in other faiths and philosophies, time has ended! - and the Kingdom of Heaven is drawing near. Repent! - and believe in the good 9 good news (Gospel translation from other Greek: good news about the new kingdom, existence, existence, appearance)). The author of the article, in brief and not reasoned, asks, calls us to this, special, personal and personal from the new from Jesus. Since the time of those, we are not just, and not only representatives of our people, the kind of state, belief, but also individuals, that is, unique, individual creatures whose main task and goal is to establish a direct and direct connection with the Creator of everything and everything, then - to understand with the help from Above the path, its difficulties and the conditions of help from Above to pass it, finally, m. and help others from others. it’s also important that archi! = Orthodox, in principle, not m. democrats, they are, in principle, Theocrats, not from people and from people, but from the Creator of all and all, even through some of the people (the time period of the OT of the book of Judges). And the author rightly tells us that do not seek help from a long-lost in the spirit of the West living according to the vagaries and lusts of the flesh and only, in Russia, indeed, as the only one who retains, remembering the essence, meaning, foundation and manifestation of the teachings and the whole of the NZ Epiphany and a successor at the state level (but not according to the law, but according to Grace) - there is a right to teach, and to uphold, and to preserve and nurture the first and pure teaching of the OT- about the salvation of everyone and everything. But there is, at the same time, a special demand: before you teach others, others learn to follow this and do it yourself! - and as I understand it, it’s not just bad with us, but disgustingly disgusting, and much worse than in Western countries , and often others. And as I look at the understanding by others of the author, and his articles from my own and from mine, I draw a conclusion, the author is right. If we survive, then for a long while more Russian-Russian Moses will have to drag their people through the desert. ..As they say, there are no others, but those are far, the hard way is not a herd of Christ warriors, and who will confess to him?
      1. Fedych
        -1
        1 August 2013 18: 15
        As I understand it, for many participants the essence and the law of the logic of the Western believer is very important (no matter what, it’s important that, according to their general paradigm, their heads are random and not subject to reflections. In this, we who follow Orthodoxy are radically and mutually unacceptable. it’s simply a ban on all guesswork, intuition, insight, visitation and vision. On the contrary, everything is supported in every way, welcomed and developed. Alas! Rome and his teachings are the first fantasy and misconception introduced into the teachings of the general first millennium in 11-12 centuries The whole essence and origins of this is perfectly reflected and argued in by the new martyr M. A. Novoselov: Dogma and mysticism in Orthodoxy, Catholicism and Protestantism. M., 2004. Our wonderful philosopher and historian of the aesthetic teachings of Ancient Greece and Rome , including the author of a wonderful translation of 4 volumes of Plato's volume by A.F. Losev, in his wonderful work on the aesthetics of the Renaissance, wisely noted that the whole essence of that era is in claim and a person’s right to be on his own and to decide everything and everything from his own head. From the total amount of his thought, the further assimilation of Western Catholic delusion becomes clear that man is something both in the eternal and the eternal, giving thought to Luther, they introduced the human into the Divine and the Grace, replacing this, which is by good gift (gift) ), and in synergy (co-cooperation, co-work, co-procession towards each other) - Above. And after that, hundreds of thousands of all possible systems, teachings, philosophies and verbs sucked out of their fingers appeared. The author of the article, knowing all this abstractly, albeit faithfully warns us not to be lulled by death, decay, and our possible passage into nothing of nothing. Many pantheists, including those unaware of their teachings, are pushing us into many hundreds of lying gates. I ask myself, and therefore possible some of you. - you realized yourself as yourself, how, why, why you entered this world - and this condition is the main, essential and necessary argument for our consistent rational and convinced ascent to the Lord. And on this, with many steps, the lowest steps are most important. If you are a man, do you understand, consciously, reasonably, purposefully, THAT, this is a waypoint for the denouement of many, many hundreds of generations, clans, faiths, nations and others. Even in the present, like a woman, you are not just something and someone, but a possible son, brother, grandson, uncle, grandfather, husband, son-in-law, acquaintance, neighbor, casual companion and so on .. You understand! - each of us is a drop from the universal salt sea that contains all the components of the whole? - this is Orthodoxy, that is, the one faith of the Church of the entire first millennium .. Well, who are we, and what are we, and where are we moving, brothers and sisters in Christ from all races , peoples, continents and eras. bully
    2. +1
      1 August 2013 20: 51
      Well, you have enough, they say, Orthodoxy "is not a letter ..." - the same can be said about any other religion. And even more so "... as a product of the human mind ..." - why did you decide that is there divine (and is it) that human? Even the words of Jesus are perceived, interpreted by man, so we cannot be completely sure that we understand anything at all in Christianity. Who knows, for example, whether Buddha's revelations were divine or not, who held the candle? Cause and effect are also in the Christian worldview. The only criterion is the fact whether the religious teaching of its followers leads to holiness and paradise or not. I respect Orthodoxy, but it is necessary to respect other world religions as well ...
      1. Fedych
        -1
        2 August 2013 00: 57
        I understand you and yours! - but I do not accept. The rest is yours
      2. Fedych
        -2
        2 August 2013 01: 09
        I will add for adherents from yesterday baptized, but not enlightened. Not only Buddhism and the other 5 orthodox systems of India do not lead to Christ the Lord, but Taoism and Confucianism of China, Protestantism and Catholicism of Europe, Islam in its entirety is private and incomplete for us today. He who seeks the One and the Eternal and finds it both graciously and as reasonably rationally as possible for us. Our Symbol of Faith, decisions of Councils, prayer Rule .. We do not judge, but understand and limit the judgment and opinion of others and we must and must .. And, as I understand it, to this day, we succeed, although not without loss.
  15. Gadsnz
    +4
    1 August 2013 17: 10
    The article is good! It says that any person, at any time, living in Russia and wishing for the good of his country, should not have illusions in the desire of the West to help our homeland somehow !!! All that they advise will harm us, and it will play into their hands. That’s all morality! What is called - See the root!
  16. +8
    1 August 2013 19: 28
    ... Russian patriots who tried to "work" with Hitler: did they meet with an understanding of the "Russian problem"? sympathy for the suffering of the Russian people? Consent to liberate and revive Russia? At least on the terms of “eternal German-Russian friendship”?


    It never reaches Mr. Nation that the Russian people in the 30s (and indeed in all the years of Soviet power) did not need any "liberation", they were free anyway.
    People had just started to improve their normal life, after overcoming the devastation, and then the Nazis appeared, the "liberators" of the rotten, and again destroyed everything.
    1. -2
      2 August 2013 21: 30
      It is not that simple. Back in the 50s, a man told my father6 "if WE knew that this would be the case with collective farms, WE would have strangled this Soviet power in the cradle." And this man fought in the Red Army
      1. 0
        4 August 2013 13: 03
        Quote: azkolt
        It is not that simple. Back in the 50s, a man told my father6 "if WE knew that this would be the case with collective farms, WE would have strangled this Soviet power in the cradle." And this man fought in the Red Army

        And was he the boss?
        It is difficult to admit that the problem of collective farms is not in the very idea of ​​a collective farm (they have always lived as a community in Russia), but in the inability of heads to choose subordinates.
  17. +2
    1 August 2013 20: 59
    Good day to all! The article itself put a plus.
    I agree with the author of the article that the West does not understand, does not want to understand, is only afraid of it or presents and describes it in a dirty way, as well as a valuable observation that the West has never been and never will be a friend of Russia.
    Hence, the right conclusion that believe in friendship spells from the West, Russia is not worth it, and even very dangerous!
    1. 0
      2 August 2013 20: 51
      Quote: michajlo
      Hence the true conclusion is that Russia is not worth believing in friendship spells from the West, and it’s even very dangerous!


      Ukraine thinks that the West will "love" it
      1. 0
        4 August 2013 12: 59
        Quote: O_RUS
        Ukraine thinks that the West will "love" it

        This is only because the Zapadents are equally bad at school, both Russian, and Reed mov and English were taught.
        So they confuse the concepts of "borat", "love" and "profit" - in English this is replaced by one word "pay", in Russian and in Mov these are still different words.
        But attempts to replace them with one word do not stop.
  18. +6
    1 August 2013 21: 02
    don’t know that Hitler’s minions were patriots of Russia. minus the author. our grandfathers did not fight against the Nazis so that today people like Vlasov would be called patriots. who then were our grandfathers, enemies?
  19. northwest
    +3
    1 August 2013 21: 05
    Such writers are reminiscent of people who in early childhood learned insult and lack of parental warmth. A painful search for those who love or dislike the Russian people, their culture and the Orthodox faith. First of all, Russians must learn to love their people themselves and not forget that the greatest damage to their culture and the Orthodox Church has been done inside Russia, and not outside of it. By the way, it is not noticeable that other peoples were so concerned about "love relations" with each other. The British, French, Germans or Dutch also have great national differences among themselves and no one really suffers from this. First of all, you need to look for ways to cooperation and respectful attitude, and not guess on daisies, loves does not love ...
  20. +3
    1 August 2013 21: 54
    which patriots worked for Hitler who drove living people into gas chambers in Auschwitz? Pink glasses for those who are trying to remake Russia with foreign participation? These are the traders of a great deal of kings under the kings chopped their heads! That's who they are.! And now they need to be exposed and imprisoned for schism and hostility in the country.
    1. 0
      2 August 2013 10: 30
      You mean "gas chambers", be more careful, this is a question.
  21. Fedych
    -2
    2 August 2013 01: 28
    About the west! O. A. Shmeman in his remarkable article on polemics and dialogue in Western theologians noted clearly, concisely, unambiguously that it was incomprehensible even honest, disinterested and kind in composition of their spirit and intentions to Catholics and Protestants, namely, that the Lord gave us the The truth through and in the Lord Jesus is understandable, accessible, clear and rational, not discursive logical abstract rational reason, but exclusively living in the full observance of the New and Blessed Commandments and involved in the Sacrament of Confession, repentance and partaking of the Holy Mysteries of the Lord, His Flesh and Blood. about.A. Schmemann and I. Meyendorf, knowing perfectly clearly, fully, adequately and personally personally all the basic teachings of the Western Church and understood them all adequately and without shying away from external ecumenism, without losing their living connection with Orthodoxy, respecting their many Western brothers who believe in Christ, without blaspheming without pressure, without hanging too much, they could convincingly show and tell them all about the meaning, essence, reality and promises of the faith of today's Orthodox Christians. What they did not understand, I understand, But when and from a thousand so-called. Orthodox Christians others moo, others silent, and others simply creak that I should blame others. And in the days of Moses and I. Navin, the prophets and judges of the Old Israel, sometimes all Israel was saved by prayer alone. And as I understand it, it still is! Alas!
  22. Lukich
    +1
    2 August 2013 09: 07
    Do we really need to remember the history of these thirty years? The story of how the Russian white armies were abandoned by the French in the south, the British in the north and Czechoslovakians in Siberia; the story of how Pilsudstky reacted to Denikin and Wrangel, how Baron Malzan agreed with the Soviets in Rapallo; how Lloyd George hastened to start trading with the "cannibals", and German Reich Chancellor Wirth invested the Vatican capital in forest concessions in the Russian north; how in Moscow Brockdorf-Rantzau had fun at night with Chicherin's music and something else; as a pater (and then prelate) Michel d'Erbigny twice (1926 and 1928) traveled to Moscow to conclude a “concordat” with Satan, who was known to him, and, returning, printed abominations about the Russian people and the Orthodox Church ... Is all this and much, much more forgotten?


    ... an interesting article in three layers. If whites agree to dismember Russia, that’s good and right. If the reds play with the enemies on the piano, then this is certainly bad !!! ...

    In 1917, the White Guards ruined Russia to please the world behind the scenes, and only the Bolshevik advisers saved the country at an incredible price. FOCUSED Russia and for a long time Hitler and Pilsudski tried to bite it and broke their teeth.

    ... and today the war continues with renewed vigor ...

    ... last name as a writer ??? ... it seems like the thoughts are correct, and the platform is incomprehensible ...
    let’s leave it without a surname, without a plus and without a minus !!! ...
  23. +4
    2 August 2013 10: 16
    What the author wrote about is clear. In particular, that it is difficult to remain Russian abroad. I will never leave Russia! soldier
    1. 0
      4 August 2013 12: 41
      Quote: Sergey Medvedev
      What the author wrote about is clear. In particular, that it is difficult to remain Russian abroad. I will never leave Russia! soldier

      Russians abroad are divided into two types.
      For the former Russians (there are no former ones) who live there and trim their habitat.
      On restless ones, they cannot become local, local people don’t perceive them, they somehow adapt to local living, and neither in Russian nor in local does it work.
  24. +5
    2 August 2013 10: 39
    The Bolsheviks won by throwing out simple and clear slogans to the people of Russia; "Down with the war", "Land for the peasants, factories for the workers", the white movement could not and did not want to give adequate slogans! And in general with the collapse of the USSR, I think we have lost the sense of community.
  25. vBR
    vBR
    +1
    2 August 2013 15: 39
    “Russian émigrés who love Russia and are loyal to it, who do not disappear by other people's implications and do not serve in foreign intelligence services, are obliged to know all this, to follow that contemptuous hatred and hatred plans; they have no reason or right to wait for salvation from the West, neither from Pilsudski, nor Hitler, nor the Vatican, nor Eisenhower, nor the world behind the scenes. Russia has no sincere well-wishers in the world. The Russian people can only rely on God and themselves. "

    Ah, what a touching confession! What a shrewd mind! Strains a tear laughing


    "The Russian people can only free themselves: grind the Bolshevik yoke in slow agony; instill national Russianness in the party periphery; strengthen their spiritual forces in catacomb Orthodoxy; and slowly but steadily shake the Soviet Union, its bureaucracy and its territorial clamping; and then wait for a favorable world conjuncture, throw off the hypnosis of the communist diabolism and return to our historical path. And we, Russian patriots scattered everywhere, must understand this, articulate it to ourselves and, helping with all our might to this internal process, prepare for this historical hour in order to hurry to help in time to our people - with a firm faith in God, with new creative ideas, with well-thought-out plans, with all the will of the energy that would then be required from the Russian people. "

    So you and all sorts of local Shafarevichs and Solzhenitsyns helped exactly that, helped and still pygiz help. What are you not satisfied with now? There are no troubles of communism, the Asian underbelly has been thrown out, many Soviet systems have been killed from collective farms to science, allies have been dispersed. Ah, did the reformers not take care of the people? Horrible!

    I don’t understand how such cheap rubbish can be dragged to the topvar and who does it. Is it not clear that all these scribes fought and continue to fight on the side of the enemy in cold and hot wars for 100 years?
  26. +1
    2 August 2013 17: 22
    Such a feeling is created that the author himself is trying to justify himself for something .....
    1. 0
      4 August 2013 12: 34
      Quote: asadov
      Such a feeling is created that the author himself is trying to justify himself for something .....

      For the notorious 30 silver coins obviously.
  27. +5
    2 August 2013 18: 28
    The Russian people can only be free themselves: rub the Bolshevik yoke in slow flour; to inculcate national Russianness in the party periphery; strengthen your spiritual strength in catacomb Orthodoxy; and slowly but steadily shatter the Soviet Union, its bureaucracy and its territorial clamp; and then - wait for a favorable global environment
    The Bolshevik yoke (in the bastard) was the salvation of the country from disaster and collapse, and only the Soviets saved the Russian Empire by calling it the Soviet Union. We see the collapse when detractors of the Bolshevik yoke came to power. The article is vile and disgusting
  28. +3
    3 August 2013 07: 33
    "Communist devilry"? I was born and raised in this "devil" and most of all I want to return there.
  29. Fedych
    -1
    3 August 2013 08: 57
    The article is involuntarily consciously reasonably echoed to the author or authors and predicted by N.P. Ilyin, who wrote a wonderful book- The Tragedy of Russian Philosophy. Please do not confuse with I. Ilyin. The author is our contemporary. The book has passed 2 editions, the second supplemented and expanded. What is it about? Yes, about all the same throwing and searching for the Russian, namely, as the spirit and Spirit of the universal and one, but in every nation, in one or another segment of its development, such as seeking oneself, self-meeting with oneself, Uncreated and our earthly, in some kind of complex unity, clear Above and sought below. So that author, as it were, echoes the authorship of the article. Simply, other chronologies and a different depth and breadth of the problem under consideration. He begins his history, as conscious, reasonable, from believers, but secular people, somewhere from the end of the 18th century, the time of the first and glimpses and searches, and in the field of secular literature and still in it is inherent only to the Russian spirit, namely Russian , to see oneself as oneself, and as one's own unique monad unit, and as one of the representatives of the Great Russian people, who involuntarily thinks and distinguishes himself both within himself and about distinguishing his own and himself among them, and among them from other peoples, cultures , faith and their traditions. And, it’s difficult to relate to external, in many ways secular, superficially undemanding ideologically state Orthodoxy, the author, with the face of various initiators of Russian philosophy, sees exactly the essence and meaning and meeting of living Orthodoxy and the living Russian soul, following J. Bl. I do not consciously call Pascal the second, and who, and what I am, today, tomorrow, yesterday, and making the corresponding conclusions and arguments of the Names on the basis of such interrogations. I will say the conclusions, they are very different from the official Russian philosophy and its history from the standpoint of them. He attributes the golden dawn to the end of the 19th century, and the so-called religious, beg. 20th, end of 19 and 20-40 years to a decadent, superficial, vain, obscured and murdered as a living faith and search, as in the area of ​​a unique, namely, Russian search, and I will continue (it’s possible that I invented and imposed on me by myself to the author) - concerns the living and Orthodox Faith and the living Orthodox Church (by the way, long and clearly noted by such thinkers as Archpriests A. Schmeman and I. Meindorf, and Sofroniy (Sakharov).
  30. Fedych
    -1
    3 August 2013 11: 29
    Part-2, continued ............ From myself I will add how our novice philosopher writers and their peaks, later, real church Christians in the person of, say, St. Ignatius of Br-va (read in his letters) - they also noted for a long time, they saw all the destruction among the people, and among the clergy and monasticism of the living faith of this faith, which was also associated with a blinded and not dismembered loan, when it was brought with necessary so much dead, ugly and perverted that they not only didn’t help at all, but simply simply destroyed him and destroyed him, with a natural result of 17 years. These are not Masons, not Jews and others. It was his own and so trained people that he repaid to his educators. And what at the same time did they destroy many honest and priests, and people, and bishops? - these are costs at such a level of turmoil. That false state-bureaucratic god will be rejected for the masses, the Bolsheviks, like flesh and thought from the flesh and for the flesh, at one time simply melted like a spring snow woman, or like the tsarist Empire (it’s more glorious, more honest, and yet, it is fornibly fornulously ) And here N.P. Ilyin honestly answers, both yesterday, and, m. , to some extent, today's weakness of the Orthodox Church of the Earth, noted by the above-mentioned priests, albeit from a different angle and sign. And, precisely, the fact that our Church, as once the VZ-I and the Byzantine Church, became too overgrown, merged with the earth (both power and its service) - which made it possible to directly name it, I will give synonyms from myself (maybe I was imposed on the author ) - Levitical, legalistic, Old Testament, Old Jewish, Old Testament, and so on. I conclude my thought with the author’s thought that I agree with the thought of the authors of the article that the honest, aspirational, tense logical mind of a Russian person needs to make every effort to clear up heaps and errors around his story and Belief and his philosophy, which the author considers necessary and indispensable on the path to an honest, consistent stage in preparing for the living and in the experience of our Living Orthodox Faith, and not accepting the dead tradition of everything pumped up and blinded by the Western Catholic-Protestant scholasticism, which has destroyed, and today it is crushing, and blinding, and suffocating .. I add, saying so, neither one nor I think of insulting one or another, but only- agree with the proverb that the Germans are good! —that Russian is death., I think she is true, and in the opposite reading, I’ll explain, below .. A. Schmemann, perfectly explained all this to believers in the Western rite. Let them, mutually and did not understand, and did not accept each other and from each other. But resentment among themselves and unkind thoughts were not allowed. We are different! in everything. And the authors of the article and the best of our Church and our real philosophers and their consciously reasonable followers and students agree with this.
  31. comraf74
    0
    3 August 2013 15: 49
    They are afraid of us. Even after Gorbachev and Yeltsin. Not unreasonably, but paranoid.
  32. +1
    4 August 2013 12: 31
    Afftar should understand the essence and phenomenon of Bolshevism, communism, socialism, anarchism and understand why all this could appear and be realized in Russia.
    All this is the essence of the life of Russia - we always live in Russia like this - it’s high before God, far from the tsar, the voivode doesn’t give a damn, he devours priests, he makes the layman happy.
    Russia will still return to socialism and anarchy as the whole world will come to this.
    The world is already coming to anarchy - Norway, Sweden, Switzerland, Canada and beyond - already have anarchy at the basis of the management of individual villages and districts.
    Because anarchy is the limit of self-government and self-awareness.
    Only under anarchy is each official directly obligated to answer and is accountable to every resident of the country and state.
    So far this has been difficult - with enormous resistance from officials and civil servants of all levels and ranks (from lowest to highest) for no reason and no one willing to answer.
    But the world and the world have no other way to survive and develop.
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      4 August 2013 12: 38
      Quote: dustycat
      Because anarchy is the limit of self-government and self-awareness.

      Then you will have to abandon the religions based on rigid monotheism and admit that God is not in the church, God is everywhere and, first of all, in Man. Then anarchy is the mother of order

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