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OJSC Kamaz demonstrated the first running variant of a promising armored personnel carrier

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OJSC Kamaz demonstrated the first running variant of a promising armored personnel carrier



OJSC Kamaz demonstrated the first running variant of a promising armored personnel carrier. KAMAZ-53889 is a hull version of an armored personnel carrier, created on the topic "Typhoon".


And he is with a new version of the Typhoon


The development of the KAMAZ-53889 armored personnel carrier is carried out on the basis of an analysis of the personnel’s casualties, military equipment of the last decade, study of foreign experience in creating and using MRAP-type armored vehicles, their combat capabilities, and means of detecting and defeating the enemy.



KAMAZ-53889 is an all-wheel drive armored personnel carrier with a wheel formula 6 х6. The reservation provides protection against the destruction of 14,5 mm caliber ammunition, B-32 type bullets, as well as armor-piercing and incendiary bullets.



Anti-mine protection ensures the crew’s survival in case of a blast on a charge under the bottom of an 8 kg vehicle in TNT equivalent.



The crew of the armored personnel carrier is 2 man, while the troop compartment is designed for 10 people.





Sources:
http://www.military-informant.com/index.php/army/3308-1.html#.Ufcf6islJ3g
http://forums.airbase.ru/2013/06/t82826,17--kamaz-tajfun.6745.html
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  1. tronin.maxim
    tronin.maxim 30 July 2013 06: 20
    +6
    Interestingly, especially the glazing of an armored personnel carrier.
    1. Jin
      Jin 30 July 2013 09: 47
      32
      Quote: tronin.maxim
      Interestingly, especially the glazing of an armored personnel carrier.


      In order to meet the needs of enterprises manufacturing armored vehicles for the needs of the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation and in accordance with the technical specifications of the TYPHOON program for creating bulletproof glass that provides protection from 2 rounds with a distance between points of contact of 280-300 mm when fired from a heavy machine gun of Vladimirov ( KPVT) armor-piercing ammunition B-32 caliber 14,5 × 114 mm, the company “Magistral LTD” carried out a large research work on the selection and use of new materials in bulletproof compositions and the application of the innovative glass hardening technology developed by us.
      As a result of this, armored glass with a thickness of 128,5-129,0 mm and dimensions 500 × 500 mm were developed and successfully tested at NII Steel, which successfully withstood 2 rounds of the specified ammunition from KPVT without any damage to the anti-fragmentation layer with a bullet flight speed at the moment of contact 911 ± 10 m / s.
      This bulletproof glass significantly exceeds the requirements of Russian GOST R 51136 and GOST R 50963 (the highest protection class 6a is the SVD rifle with B-32 armor-piercing ammunition, 7,62 × 54 mm). During its development, we also focused on the requirements of the “IV” level of the NATO STANAG 4569 standard - providing protection when firing B-32 armor-piercing ammunition from 14,5 × 114 mm from a distance of 200 m, bullet speed 891–931 m / s. After successful tests , we have made the first sets of bulletproof glazing with double electric heating and increased transparency (light transmission of 70%), similar to the tested level of protection, for promising armored vehicles of the TYPHOON family.
      1. Constantine
        Constantine 30 July 2013 14: 16
        +4
        2 jin

        Interesting data, thanks.

        In general, the machine is interesting. Our fresh look at the question, otherwise many of the samples went beyond restructuring the native BTR, trying to squeeze out everything that is possible and impossible from its design. A fresh look is always good and interesting in terms of both individual and complex technical solutions. smile
        1. Jin
          Jin 30 July 2013 14: 25
          +1
          Quote: Constantine
          Interesting data, thanks.


          You're welcome drinks
      2. timurpl
        timurpl 30 July 2013 23: 04
        -2
        God grant that he really was so "pretty" ... but bliiin-how terrible he is !!!
    2. Apologet.Ru
      Apologet.Ru 30 July 2013 10: 16
      -11 qualifying.
      hi
      To disperse an unarmed crowd is good - scary am , awkward and far visible - for atrulation during peacekeeping operations love probably, too.
      In my opinion, to put it mildly, it’s not very suitable for fighting an armed enemy.
      It is enough to look at the height, and immediately it becomes clear that all the RPGs of it.
      Yes, and the crowd of protesters, if they disperse, if desired, will fall, sway and turn lol .
      1. Jin
        Jin 30 July 2013 10: 19
        11
        Quote: Apologet.Ru
        Yes, and the crowd of protesters, if they disperse, if desired, will fall, sway and turn


        Hmm, really ... Why write such nonsense, colleague? Do you know his weight? laughing

        Quote: Apologet.Ru
        It is enough to look at the height, and immediately it becomes clear that all the RPGs of it.


        Would you prefer to ride the BTR-80 on the armor as before, or does the RPG "fail"? Your business, of course ...
        1. roial
          30 July 2013 12: 37
          +7
          Obviously a rake is a favorite tool of the Russian defense industry.
          Because so often only Russians can attack them.
          I remember the Ukrainian BTR-4 was very strongly criticized for the large glazing - this sample has it about 2 times more.

          If we compare this sample with the Stryker armored personnel carrier, which also has an all-round protection from 14,5 mm.
          but at the same time, the Americans themselves during the operation of the striker revealed the following disadvantages
          he does not hold an RPG grenade at all, for which he had to weld protective shields, which led to an increase in mass from 19 to 21 tons.

          Russian pepelats is 1,5 times more than "Strikra", respectively, its mass is not less than 25 tons, and this is without screens, with them it will pull up to 27 tons or even more.

          Due to the large mass of the "Stryker", the suspension flew and the tires quickly wore out, and this despite the fact that the "Stryker" has 4 axles, and the Russian miracle is 3. You will probably calculate the load on the axle and each tire yourself.

          Also, "Striker" was showered with poor cross-country ability due to its heavy weight (21 for amers tone versus 27 for Russians)

          The high center of gravity led to the overturning of the Stryker when blown up by mines and when driving on slopes, but the Stryker is at least 0,5 meters lower than the KAMAZ miracle.

          And why do you need roof hatches ?? to leave the car faster? to fire? but inside there are no stands so that you can quickly get out in them, or will they use ladders?

          And most importantly, why is it needed ?? He will not pass into the field.
          To accompany the colon? The main losses of the APC were from the fire of grenade launchers and the detonation of mines.
          So such a fool is the grenade launcher’s dream, the side projection is 2 times larger than that of the BTR-80, there are no inclined angles (even a hypothetical grenade rebound is impossible).
          When undermining, it will lie on the barrel as a hello.
          So maybe it’s enough to step on the rake, and at least to analyze the shortcomings in the operation of such machines in other countries, or is it necessary to check for yourself?

          1. evil hamster
            evil hamster 30 July 2013 12: 49
            +1
            Do not smash her nonsense. (c) This is not an armored personnel carrier - it is an armored truck with a good level of anti-mine and ballistic protection. And therefore all your calculations are frankly delusional.
            1. roma2
              roma2 30 July 2013 13: 47
              +5
              Read the article carefully
              "OJSC Kamaz has demonstrated the first running version of a promising armored personnel carrier"
              1. evil hamster
                evil hamster 30 July 2013 14: 12
                +6
                And Kamaz OJSC knows about it
          2. Jin
            Jin 30 July 2013 12: 49
            +3
            Quote: roial
            but at the same time, the Americans themselves during the operation of the striker revealed the following disadvantages
            he absolutely does not hold an RPG grenade


            Truth? And they seriously hoped that with the declared protection of 14,5 mm, he would hold an RPG? Well, what a miscalculation.


            Quote: roial
            When undermining, it will lie on the barrel as a hello.


            Have you personally checked? And if he lies down, figs would be with him, you can get out of the bed, "I would live." By the way, this is the answer to your question about why hatches are needed.

            Quote: roial
            So maybe it’s enough to step on the rake, and at least to analyze the shortcomings in the operation of such machines in other countries, or is it necessary to check for yourself?


            Maybe it's enough to "pour water". What are you SPECIFICALLY suggesting?
            1. roma2
              roma2 30 July 2013 13: 16
              0
              Enough to cut the budget, turn on the brain and when building the Pepelats, at least take into account consider domestic and foreign experience.
          3. Constantine
            Constantine 30 July 2013 14: 41
            +1
            Quote: roial
            Obviously a rake is a favorite tool of the Russian defense industry.
            Because so often only Russians can attack them.
            I remember the Ukrainian BTR-4 was very strongly criticized for the large glazing - this sample has it about 2 times more.


            It is necessary to look not only at the area, but also at resistance to hits from different calibers. Jin in the comments above, this question was revealed in sufficient detail.

            Quote: roial
            Due to the large mass of the "Stryker", the suspension flew and the tires quickly wore out, and this despite the fact that the "Stryker" has 4 axles, and the Russian miracle is 3. You will probably calculate the load on the axle and each tire yourself.


            Here, too, you need to watch not quantity, but quality. Since the days of the USSR, our alloys were at their best.

            And why do you need roof hatches ?? to leave the car faster? to fire? but inside there are no stands so that you can quickly get out in them, or will they use ladders?


            Judging by the photographs, the ceiling there is not as high as you think.

            And most importantly, why is it needed ?? He will not pass into the field.


            On the basis of what objective data are such judgments?

            To accompany the colon? The main losses of the APC were from the fire of grenade launchers and the detonation of mines.
            So such a fool is the grenade launcher’s dream, the side projection is 2 times larger than that of the BTR-80, there are no inclined angles (even a hypothetical grenade rebound is impossible).
            When undermining, it will lie on the barrel as a hello.
            So maybe it’s enough to step on the rake, and at least to analyze the shortcomings in the operation of such machines in other countries, or is it necessary to check for yourself?


            You are an expert in this matter from which books have you become? Did you see him yourself? Tested? Maybe you are smarter than the pool of designers that works there? Personally, I doubt it very much, and therefore, it is better for you to refrain from such high-profile statements, or to correctly substantiate your conclusions, supporting them with weighty arguments and proofs. wink
            1. Jin
              Jin 30 July 2013 15: 08
              +3
              Quote: Constantine
              And most importantly, why is it needed ?? He will not pass into the field.

              On the basis of what objective data are such judgments?


              This is from the category: "This cannot be, because in principle it cannot be," colleague. Well, the man decided so and that's it!
              1. Constantine
                Constantine 30 July 2013 18: 39
                +2
                Quote: Jin
                This is from the category: "This cannot be, because in principle it cannot be," colleague. Well, the man decided so and that's it!


                It happens smile
              2. roial
                30 July 2013 18: 58
                +3
                And why did I see more than once how, after a rain, the KAMAZ signalmen pulled KAMAZ tractors from the field out of the field, and they would have less weight twice as much, and there’s no need to tell that the engine in this pepelats is stronger and the suspension is newer.
                1. Jin
                  Jin 30 July 2013 21: 03
                  -1
                  Quote: roial
                  And what’s there to see more than once I saw how, after a rain, the KAMAZ signalmen pulled their KAMAZ tractors from the field from the field, and they’ll have less weight twice as much


                  Before you write something, think again ... or two or three. What has the KAMAZ signalmen (most likely with conscripts at the wheel, who will find problems on the asphalt "from nowhere") from your unit? Wheel formula, center of gravity, specific ground pressure, what is this about, or did you run past? Sometimes weight, under certain conditions, is a plus rather than the other way around.

                  Quote: roial
                  and you don’t need to tell that in this pepelats the engine is stronger and the suspension is newer.


                  And why? Isn't that a plus?
                  1. roial
                    30 July 2013 21: 30
                    +1
                    and despite the fact that this pepelats’s base is then KAMAZ’s, let it be slightly modified
                    the weight of a connected kamaz tone is 10 and this one has more than 20
                    not conscripts are sitting behind the wheel, well, from about 8 years old, driver instructors from automobile training.
                    compare
                    weight of connected KamAZ in 10t
                    engine power 240 horses

                    typhoon weight per 20 t
                    engine power 450
                    1. Jin
                      Jin 30 July 2013 21: 40
                      -1
                      Quote: roial
                      and this one has more than 20


                      Bt lead, otherwise something blah blah and demagoguery continuous ...

                      Quote: roial
                      not conscripts are sitting behind the wheel, well, from about 8 years old, driver instructors from automobile training.
                      compare


                      Fuck you check ...
          4. yanus
            yanus 30 July 2013 15: 15
            0
            Quote: roial
            If we compare this sample with the Stryker armored personnel carrier

            First you need to know the story of Stryker.
            Stryker is a deep modernization of the ancient machine, hence the lack of power, a high center of mass, horseradish suspension and so on.
            The presented sample is a development from scratch, where it was possible to think about the suspension and place a more powerful engine, etc.
            1. dustycat
              dustycat 30 July 2013 20: 45
              -1
              Quote: yanus
              The presented sample is a development from scratch, where it was possible to think about the suspension and place a more powerful engine, etc.


              Well, see from scratch - the 4310 frame sticks out like an Ostankino television tower.
              Even the BaAZ platform is much lower.
              But BaAZ is already just a private division of Gazprom.
              A KamAZ washing machine is a budget dough with a direct drain over the hill.
              1. Jin
                Jin 30 July 2013 21: 35
                -2
                Quote: dustycat
                Well, see from scratch - the 4310 frame sticks out like an Ostankino television tower.


                Well? And let it stick out, let it work

                Quote: dustycat
                But BaAZ is already just a private division of Gazprom.


                I am also against fat oligarchs and corporations, but what does the topic of the article have to do with it?

                Quote: dustycat
                A KamAZ washing machine is a budget dough with a direct drain over the hill.


                Hrenase ... Enlighten me, I don’t hassle for the leadership of KAMAZ, I’m just wondering how Che is leaking out there ... it means that the GDP is aware of it and gives “on the green”, because such movements are not really fussing past it.
              2. Lopatov
                Lopatov 30 July 2013 22: 46
                -1
                Quote: dustycat
                A KamAZ washing machine is a budget dough with a direct drain over the hill.


                Here you can still argue. But the "military-industrial complex", which our armored personnel carriers, "bears", yes "tigers" with "wolves" produces, yes. Completely. As a result, everything ends up in the British Virgin Islands.
          5. svp67
            svp67 30 July 2013 19: 12
            +2
            Quote: roial
            Obviously a rake is a favorite tool of the Russian defense industry.
            Because so often only Russians can attack them.
            I remember the Ukrainian BTR-4 very much criticized

            Here you dashingly rolled out this "pepelats", only from a photo, but by eye, having no data on geometric dimensions, not on mass, NOTHING, but there are already plenty of conclusions. You are just like in "12 chairs"

            It was unknown on the site of the last carriage how Viktor Mikhailovich who was among the honored guests was standing. He sniffed at the motor. To the extreme surprise of Polesov, the engine looked great and, apparently, worked properly. Glass not
            rattled. Having examined them in detail, Viktor Mikhailovich made sure
            that they are still on the rubber. He has already made some comments.
            the car driver and was considered among the public a connoisseur of tram
            business in the West.
            “The air brake does not work well,” Polesov declared, glancing triumphantly at the passengers, he does not suck.
            “They didn’t ask you,” the car driver said, maybe he’ll suck.
            1. roial
              30 July 2013 19: 23
              +1
              The photo shows that he is 2 times higher than the average person, and this is about 3.4 meters. As for the weight, the same "Stryker" has a weight of 19 tons, despite the fact that both the "Stryker" and the KAMAZ have protection from 14.5 mm, and it is simply vividly obvious that the KAMAZ is one and a half times larger than the "Stryker", I do not think that the Russian armor is in two times lighter than the American one.
              1. Lopatov
                Lopatov 30 July 2013 19: 41
                +2
                The Kamaz has more ground clearance. Besides, "Kamaz" is shorter by 1 wheel. That is why it cannot be "one and a half times more than Stryker" ". Even visually.
                1. roial
                  30 July 2013 20: 49
                  0
                  Dimensions "Striker"

                  Length mm: 6,98 m
                  Width mm: 2,7 m
                  Height, mm: 2,8 m

                  dimensions KAMAZ-63968 "Typhoon" (KAMAZ-53889, as I understand it, was created on its basis)

                  Case length, mm 8990 (even if it is shortened by 1 m. It is still more)
                  Case width mm 2550
                  Height, mm 3300
                  1. svp67
                    svp67 30 July 2013 20: 56
                    0
                    Quote: roial
                    KAMAZ-53889

                    But it is not only shorter, but also lower - compare the height of the height of the wheels ...
              2. svp67
                svp67 30 July 2013 20: 07
                +2
                Quote: roial
                The photo shows that he is 2 times higher than the average person, and this is about 3.4 meters. As for the weight, the same "Stryker" has a weight of 19 tons, despite the fact that both the "Stryker" and the KAMAZ have protection from 14.5 mm, and it is simply vividly obvious that the KAMAZ is one and a half times larger than the "Stryker", I do not think that the Russian armor is in two times lighter than the American one.

                Nothing is visible from that photo ...

                The body stands on the "trestle" at a height that facilitates the installation of wheels. that is, the suspension system is in the maximum upper position; moreover, when the wheels are installed, they do not touch the ground. But even so, a person sitting on a chair occupies 1/3 of his body height. And if so, then in the equipped state, this armored personnel carrier awakens with a height of 2, 5 - 2, 7 meters - on a machine gun mount and somewhere 2, 20 - 2, 40 on the roof of the hull ...
                Well, is it really not visible that he is not this big KAMAZ ...
                1. roial
                  30 July 2013 21: 11
                  +1
                  "Typhoon" has a height of 3.3 m. And it is at its base and the width is narrower than a striker.
                  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e5W2iPcbZ14
                  on 1.12 minute it’s clear that Rogozin’s head is slightly higher than the cabin floor and Rogozin’s height is 1.9 m further, read on yourself
                2. Jin
                  Jin 30 July 2013 22: 29
                  0
                  Quote: svp67
                  Nothing is visible from that photo ...


                  + Strongly agree ... From this photo you can see that there is a V-building, a workshop, dudes in the workshop and ... the floor is still casting green ...
              3. Jin
                Jin 30 July 2013 21: 25
                -1
                Quote: roial
                and here it is simply vividly vivid that the KAMAZ is one and a half times larger than the "Stryker"


                For example, let's say you look at an "identical" ammunition (purely hypothetically) and judge its power by size, without delving into the performance characteristics ... A very "competent" assessment, I take off my hat ...

                "Visually visible"? laughing

                - "Comrade, General, may I contact you?"
                - "Contact"
                - "Comrade General, we just visually seethat their armored formations are not capable of solving the tasks assigned to them! "
                - "I don't understand how visually?"
                - "Comrade, General, VISUALLY - that is, we see with our eyes! After all, 90% of information is perceived through the organs of vision!"
                - "Who are you, son, you decided to teach, huh? I see that they are not visually capable ... Mmmmm ... And, what about their performance characteristics?"
            2. Jin
              Jin 30 July 2013 21: 37
              0
              Quote: svp67
              It was unknown on the site of the last carriage how Viktor Mikhailovich who was among the honored guests was standing. He sniffed at the motor. To the extreme surprise of Polesov, the engine looked great and, apparently, worked properly. Glass not
              rattled. Having examined them in detail, Viktor Mikhailovich made sure
              that they are still on the rubber. He has already made some comments.
              the car driver and was considered among the public a connoisseur of tram
              business in the West.
              “The air brake does not work well,” Polesov declared, glancing triumphantly at the passengers, he does not suck.
              “They didn’t ask you,” the car driver said, maybe he’ll suck.


              +++ Test laughing
          6. carbofo
            carbofo 2 August 2013 01: 06
            0
            Quote: roial

            Due to the large mass of the "Stryker", the suspension flew and the tires quickly wore out, and this despite the fact that the "Stryker" has 4 axles, and the Russian miracle is 3. You will probably calculate the load on the axle and each tire yourself.

            Stryker did not have at the time of development of instructions in the statement of work on weight increase during modernization by 1.5 times, so the suspension was developed on a light machine, so that they began to hang on it, that no way it was no longer a problem for the designers.
        2. dustycat
          dustycat 30 July 2013 20: 36
          0
          Quote: Jin
          Quote: Jin

          Quote: Apologet.Ru
          It is enough to look at the height, and immediately it becomes clear that all the RPGs of it.


          Would you prefer to ride the BTR-80 on the armor as before, or does the RPG "fail"? Your business, of course ...


          According to Israeli statistics, terrorists began to fire most shots from extreme distances.
          In whose silhouette does RPG grenade fall more?

          It would be better to think about increasing the BTR80’s mine resistance (stick the seats to the ceiling, reinforce the bottom and remodel a bit, improve the fire extinguishing system, tighten the protection or (and) KAZ).

          And this is a purely budget-friendly project.
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      2. Lopatov
        Lopatov 30 July 2013 10: 24
        11
        Quote: Apologet.Ru
        It is enough to look at the height, and immediately it becomes clear that all the RPGs of it.

        Dear, once again: machine data protected from RPG. In the expensive version - special mats, in the cheap - trellised screens. Why don't you calm down with these RPGs ...
        1. Jin
          Jin 30 July 2013 10: 29
          +7
          Quote: Spade
          Why don't you calm down with these RPGs ...


          Greetings! Yes, some kind of kapets. AAAA, RPG, RPG !!! A parable in the tongues, damn it! Tired already.
          1. Lopatov
            Lopatov 30 July 2013 10: 47
            +4
            Welcome.

            The KamAZ model has a clear advantage: it is in the hardware. Unlike "Boomerang", which for some reason is still hyper-classified.
            1. andrey586
              andrey586 30 July 2013 11: 01
              +4
              This is not an armored personnel carrier or a battlefield machine, it’s an armored truck of the MPC of the Typhoon family, only with an unusual form of cab
              1. Lopatov
                Lopatov 30 July 2013 11: 08
                0
                Why "not an armored personnel carrier"? Arguments?
                1. huut
                  huut 30 July 2013 15: 20
                  +1
                  Quote: Spade
                  Why "not an armored personnel carrier"? Arguments?

                  Because a lot of people fit in and big. But this is not a truck - there are few people and a lot of armor. It turns out a cross between an APC and a truck. And such an intermediate creature is of little use for the troops, for the reasons mentioned above, but why not for special operations - to check the villages, it’s huge, (it’s a special squad platoon that’s hidden), it can be saved from the villages that gardeners love, it’s safe to drive.

                  But this is not suitable for the troops for the front line, for the rear services - too fat for them. No, no, you only need to try on special equipment.

                  I remembered the article about the protection of "Topol", they say they are defenseless and any bastard can offend them - that's suitable for protection, they roam along country roads)
                  1. Lopatov
                    Lopatov 30 July 2013 16: 51
                    +1
                    Quote: huut
                    Because a lot of people fit in and big

                    How did you decide that there will be more branches? Do not forget, there are not two benches for the landing, but special chairs. And the German "Boxer" is worth remembering.


                    So the argument is clearly past.
                    1. huut
                      huut 31 July 2013 10: 21
                      +1
                      Quote: Spade
                      So the argument is clearly past.


                      When you consider, with regards to Boxer, this is:
                      The machine can perform various tasks and has several modifications: armored personnel carriers, infantry fighting vehicles with stabilized 30-mm gun, command post, cargo version for the delivery of ammunition and ammunition, armored vehicles, ambulance and tank destroyer. It can turn out anything that they order, because something unambiguous here (to Kamaz) cannot be soldered.

                      Well, the Boxer is still more like an armored troop-carrier, who are interested - see for yourself its character.
            2. Rustam
              Rustam 30 July 2013 11: 21
              +5
              Lopatov
              Unlike "Boomerang", which for some reason is still hyper-classified.


              Colleague. Why touch the boomer? work is underway on it, and the people want to make a decent machine no worse than the Finnish patria (in Tagil it will be at a closed show)

              Understand that I’m not opposed. Kamaz OJSC made a flag in their hands, only you probably have to go through all the tests and tests, yes, find a niche where and in which units to use them and somehow probably the main goal

              ps- and do not bother to make him the only and unique monopolist, pushing everyone into the background, I am for an honest fight, there will be a better example than competitors, but for God's sake, we will all win from this
              1. Lopatov
                Lopatov 30 July 2013 11: 30
                +3
                Of course they go ... And they will go exactly as long as the Defense Ministry has the patience to buy the BTR-82

                Well, a closed show, no one will know what is really shown there. You can also show the layout of plywood reinforced with promises.

                But KamAZovsky, here it is, in all its glory ...
                1. Jin
                  Jin 30 July 2013 11: 33
                  +1
                  Quote: Spade
                  Well, a closed show, no one will know what is really shown there. You can also model from plywood reinforced with promises to show.


                  + laughing "Layout made of plywood with promoted armor!!! "In general, power! You burn! 100+
                  1. Lopatov
                    Lopatov 30 July 2013 11: 44
                    +2
                    By the way, I just noticed: there are two options. In the upper two photographs there are no side doors, an equal distance between the axles and, apparently, a modular unit for the landing.

                    KamAZ sold out robustly. Stamps samples with his own money, and does not beg from the Ministry of Defense, like "MIC"
                    1. Jin
                      Jin 30 July 2013 12: 11
                      0
                      Quote: Spade
                      By the way, I just noticed: there are two options. There are no side doors in the top two photos.


                      As I understand it, in addition to the rear ramp and hatches, there is one side door on the right. But Typhoon has a door.
                    2. Jin
                      Jin 30 July 2013 12: 14
                      +2
                      Typhoon inside, left door
                    3. pensioner
                      pensioner 30 July 2013 12: 26
                      +3
                      Yeah. Well done Tatars! In the 10th year in Naberezhnye Chelny was in kmndr. KAMAZ residents told us what the Bester was doing. Now I saw which one. And really, on the initiative!
                    4. evil hamster
                      evil hamster 30 July 2013 13: 01
                      +2
                      IMHO, these two are no longer on their own, but on the state. These first two were on their own. By the way, I would really like to see that there Miass has changed in its samples over the past year.
                      And so yes, I agree. After handicrafts like "shot" "otters" and other shushpanzers piled clearly by students for five rubles and a doshirak, progress is evident. Apparently they invited and lured experienced people, studied Western experience, attracted foreign firms - in short, they seriously took up this direction. The military-industrial complex in general, and Arzamas in particular, needs to actively stir the rolls and not forget about the pair and public opinion - this is important, whatever one may say, otherwise Kamaz can squeeze out the topic of the APC.
                      1. Lopatov
                        Lopatov 30 July 2013 14: 14
                        +1
                        Miass? Most likely nothing. They received an order for Typhoons-U, now they are assimilating funds. Why twitch.

                        Quote: evil hamster
                        Apparently they invited and lured experienced people, studied Western experience, attracted foreign companies - in short, they seriously took up this direction.

                        In my opinion, German influence is clearly observed here.
                      2. evil hamster
                        evil hamster 30 July 2013 14: 45
                        +2
                        Quote: Spade
                        Miass? Most likely nothing. They received an order for Typhoons-U, now they are assimilating funds. Why twitch.

                        So the order is only for an experimental batch, only 30 cars, the plant will not live with it. Kamaz got it too, but hustles like an electric broom. Judging by the reports, the President of Tatarstan does not crawl out of them. So, that they have not one, but 2 hairy legs, + competent peer and work with public opinion. And this time for Miass is not the time to roam on our laurels. Since Mr. Chemezov is able to push through extremely controversial decisions (for example, by a whirlwind) despite common sense and the interests of the armed forces.

                        Quote: Spade
                        In my opinion, German influence is clearly observed here.
                        I agree, I don’t see anything wrong with that, on the contrary, it’s good, learning is never harmful.
                      3. Lopatov
                        Lopatov 30 July 2013 16: 52
                        0
                        KamAZ did not receive anything, only Miass
  2. Yegorchik
    Yegorchik 30 July 2013 10: 34
    +2
    Yes, it’s necessary to miss such a board. And what about the glass, what is interesting to keep the cursed man who started to naughty from the third shot by glazing from the KPVT, conscience and the realization that the glass holds two shots, and the third it will cause material damage to the RF Armed Forces? IMHO pepilats to disperse the demonstrators.
    1. Jin
      Jin 30 July 2013 10: 49
      +4
      Quote: Egorchik
      what is interesting will keep the cursed man who began to naughty on the glazing from KPVT from the third shot


      There are GOSTs for the adoption of this or that material. For civilian cars, for example, 7,62x39 ammunition is fired at the "tops" of a triangle with a side of 30 cm, if it holds, it means that it corresponds to such a class ... What's so surprising?
      Let's look at the option of hitting a BOPS from a tank in glass ... Or a cruise missile. It’s impossible to defend against everything! If it holds 2 shots from KPVT in such an area, then with AK SVD, etc. there is no fig to catch! 12,7 mm and that will create a problem! And this is already very strong! Did you catch the meaning?

      Have you seen a lot in the militants in the mountains of 14,5 mm ??? After all, they must be dragged!
    2. Lopatov
      Lopatov 30 July 2013 10: 49
      0
      Is it difficult to get on such a board?
    3. evil hamster
      evil hamster 30 July 2013 13: 09
      +4
      This glass holds the KPVT at point blank range - which is not bad in itself. Do you assume that the machine gunner with the KPVT to the advantage will run into close combat in order to break through the bulletproof glass with a third shot? What do you think is the likelihood of 3 bullets getting into a circle with a diameter of 40 cm from at least 500 m, driving an armored car at least at a speed of 30 km / h?
      1. Jin
        Jin 30 July 2013 13: 22
        +5
        Quote: evil hamster
        Do you assume that the machine gunner with the KPVT to the advantage will run into close combat in order to break through the bulletproof glass with a third shot?



        Yeah, that's such a "fart steam". "One-time shooter" after firing "from the hands" of a person kills by recoil, how many cartridges are there for machine gunners laughing
        1. evil hamster
          evil hamster 30 July 2013 13: 40
          +1
          Yes, a problem ... but I see 2 obvious solutions
          1.Rasically loyal Western European: making an emperor => primarchs => space marines
          => give them bolter KPVT => porphyte
          2. Racially incorrect Far Eastern:
          we take an ordinary Japanese schoolboy => we put him in the OBCHR => we give him KPVT => profit.
          laughing
          Well, something like this
        2. ziqzaq
          ziqzaq 30 July 2013 21: 36
          +1
          Quote: Jin
          Yeah, that's such a "fart steam". "One-time shooter" after firing "from the hands" of a person kills by recoil, how many cartridges are there for machine gunners

          Cool comment, the Japanese seemed to have an anti-tank gun with carrying handles. Severe and powerful Japanese designers somehow did not take into account the physical capabilities of the average Japanese soldier, an average of 70 out of 100 when breaking a collarbone or a shoulder ... The consequences were as follows: these guns were thrown out immediately in the first battle, despite the samurai ethics ....
          1. Jin
            Jin 30 July 2013 21: 51
            0
            Quote: ziqzaq
            Severe and powerful Japanese designers somehow did not take into account the physical capabilities of the average Japanese soldier, an average of 70 out of 100 broke a collarbone or shoulder when fired.


            laughing And with a broken collarbone, it’s not something that you won’t raise))) it’s very painful to move, not that it would be to fight ... And what kind of PTR were these?
            1. ziqzaq
              ziqzaq 30 July 2013 23: 33
              0
              Quote: Jin
              And what kind of PTR were these?

              Seem Type 97 caliber 20mm ...
      2. Jin
        Jin 30 July 2013 13: 29
        +3
        Quote: evil hamster
        This glass holds KPVT at point blank range - which in itself is good


        And for some, this is not an indicator anyway, and that:

        A bullet of a 14,5 mm Vladimirov tank heavy machine gun (KPVT), which has a tungsten carbide core, pierces a plate of armored steel up to 500 mm thick from a distance of 50 m. Among other systems of small arms, the Vladimirov machine gun has no equal on the battlefield in terms of firepower. The muzzle energy of the machine gun is 32 joules, and getting into any part of the human body is almost always fatal, and any hit into the limb leads to its separation. This is a legendary weapon that is recognizable by its silhouette, by one sound of shooting.

        still not an argument smile
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      4. alone
        alone 31 July 2013 15: 01
        0
        it is more likely that the machine gunner will die after the first shot due to the return of the KPTV))
  3. Hoist
    Hoist 30 July 2013 10: 46
    +5
    Now decipher the abbreviation "RPG" and once again carefully look at the photo and read the article.
    Another hint - study the materiel by classes of armored vehicles and methods of its application.
    1. Jin
      Jin 30 July 2013 10: 52
      +1
      Quote: Izar
      Now decipher the abbreviation "RPG" and once again carefully look at the photo and read the article.


      That's right + Who is minusanul is not clear
  4. Black Colonel
    Black Colonel 30 July 2013 11: 44
    +2
    In fact, this unit is more suitable for transportation. Or is it preferable for you to go through the troubled territory as before in the on-board KamAZ or the Urals? what
    1. roial
      30 July 2013 18: 39
      +2
      and not fatly carcass in such a fool to transport it?
      1. Jin
        Jin 30 July 2013 21: 55
        +1
        Quote: roial
        and not fatly carcass in such a fool to transport it?


        Carrot? Greasy!

        Therefore, the carcass should now be transported in armored personnel carriers, and drugs in such vehicles, or similar devices ...
  5. Artyom
    Artyom 30 July 2013 23: 14
    0
    the main task of the armored personnel carrier is not to disperse the crowd and conduct hostilities, but to deliver personnel to the combat zone, and for the rest, tanks and similar equipment exist. They should replace the Urals and Kamaz airborne tented.
  • Rustam
    Rustam 30 July 2013 10: 26
    +6
    OJSC Kamaz demonstrated the first running variant of a promising armored personnel carrier



    "Typhoons" are not armored personnel carriers, but "protected vehicles

    it’s not armored cars, but trucks for transporting personnel in places of partisan activity, where they can plant a landmine on the road and arrange an ambush.
    1. Lopatov
      Lopatov 30 July 2013 10: 31
      0
      Quote: Rustam
      "Typhoons" are not armored personnel carriers, but "protected vehicles
      it’s not armored cars, but trucks for transporting personnel in places of partisan activity, where they can plant a landmine on the road and arrange an ambush.

      Why "not an APC"? Does the "MIC Corporation" allow you to call it that?
      1. Rustam
        Rustam 30 July 2013 10: 41
        +2
        Why "not an APC"? Does the "MIC Corporation" allow you to call it that?



        No, it’s not an armored troop carrier and the corporation is not worth it here at all - it’s a competitor to the bear and others to protect personnel
        1. Lopatov
          Lopatov 30 July 2013 10: 52
          -2
          Painfully expensive as a "competitor to the Bear". And the permeability is excessive for MRAP. This is a full-fledged armored personnel carrier, no more and no less.
          1. Rustam
            Rustam 30 July 2013 10: 59
            +1
            We’ll wait and see whether this model will have a niche (and how and where to apply it), so that at the end of the year there will be a strong fight and intrigue for future contracts from the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation and maybe from other security officials


            And most importantly, he must pass full tests
            1. Lopatov
              Lopatov 30 July 2013 11: 05
              0
              In terms of undercover intrigues, "MIC" has no competitors. So KamAZ has no chance.

              Although they are great. We started with this:
              1. Rustam
                Rustam 30 July 2013 11: 34
                +2
                Shovels (
                . So KamAZ has no chance.


                Maybe we will not continue further on intrigues, etc., why? I say wait and see

                only one thing - there’s no chance about it, I’m funny honestly

                Only Kamaz OJSC and their patron, Mr. Chemezov, have chances, because they want to make it one and only, pushing even the Minsk people with their strands for the Strategic Missile Forces

                PS-I say again I’m not against KamAZ-63969 (I am against the fact that it is being pushed using admin.resource), let it pass the tests, it will be better than competitors and please be interested in the Russian Ministry of Defense, please, we will all win from this

                otherwise it will turn out (sadly) as with the modification of the Shot that you have in the photo

                This is not a competitor to boomer, as this is not an armored personnel carrier, but an armored car. I say again, this is a competitor to Typhoon Uralovsky.
                Outwardly, it looks beautiful, it is necessary to watch what he shows on the tests.
                1. Lopatov
                  Lopatov 30 July 2013 11: 48
                  0
                  I think Deripaska is cooler than Chemezov regarding lobbying

                  And by the way, why no one can explain to me why this is not an armored personnel carrier.
                  1. Rustam
                    Rustam 30 July 2013 12: 24
                    +1
                    I think Deripaska is cooler than Chemezov regarding lobbying


                    Both are good
    2. Jin
      Jin 30 July 2013 10: 38
      +1
      Quote: Rustam
      "Typhoons" are not armored personnel carriers, but "protected vehicles

      it’s not armored cars, but trucks for transporting personnel in places of partisan activity, where they can plant a landmine on the road and arrange an ambush.


      I agree with you, and this MRI will also save you from undermining, unlike our armored personnel carriers and even BMPs.
      1. roial
        30 July 2013 18: 44
        +1
        Are you so sure about this? But will he also lie on a barrel like that
        1. Lopatov
          Lopatov 30 July 2013 18: 50
          +2
          Well, let yourself lie. The main thing is to protect the crew and the landing, and not the car itself.
          1. roial
            30 July 2013 19: 03
            +1
            Well - well, have you seen that ours carry with them inside the armored personnel carrier and bodies? All that did not fit on top and in the lorry, it simply kills them there with different drawers and jacks. And what prevents to put a grenade into a motionless box full of people?
            1. Lopatov
              Lopatov 30 July 2013 19: 44
              +3
              What’s the problem, they’ll stop carrying it. Life is more expensive. And the same hatches on the roof that you did not like so much will interfere with planting a grenade. Do not really shoot from an RPG under the fire of the infantry squad.
              1. roial
                31 July 2013 14: 41
                +1
                What kind of fire ?? The compartment will sit inside, as there are no windows or cracks in the bank, but who will see the grenade launcher? commander? or a machine gunner? they all have a limited review.
  • NOMADE
    NOMADE 30 July 2013 06: 23
    +8
    An interesting "animal". Protection against 14,5 mm bullets, is it in all projections or only frontal? If by all accounts, then the car comes out interesting, all the more it holds 8 kg of TNT under the bottom. And what about glazing, it also holds 14,5 mm? What is the mass?
    PS once "Kamaz", then it is necessary to send it to the rally "Dakar" and "Silk Way" laughing
    1. xetai9977
      xetai9977 30 July 2013 08: 09
      0
      Most likely this is not the final version, but a "semi-finished product". They will drive and make changes along the way.
  • Edward72
    Edward72 30 July 2013 06: 43
    +1
    It’s an entertaining bibika, just to see for yourself at the 8kg training ground, to bombard from all angles. Although, according to the experience of the last 10 years, we will see what the military themselves say.
  • kind
    kind 30 July 2013 06: 59
    +3
    High turned out, the target on the battlefield is noticeable.
    1. Captain Vrungel
      Captain Vrungel 30 July 2013 07: 25
      +6
      So it is more suitable not for field operations, but for police functions. The higher, the more reliable, the demonstrator will not climb.
      1. waisson
        waisson 30 July 2013 09: 51
        +2
        I think it is intended as a means of delivery and movement of personnel in the area of ​​hostilities but not on the battlefield
        1. s1н7т
          s1н7т 1 August 2013 11: 35
          0
          And did the regular armored personnel carriers / infantry fighting vehicles quietly go behind at this time? laughing
    2. buzuke
      buzuke 30 July 2013 08: 30
      +1
      Yes, the base is clearly a bit high. certainly strongly affect stability. although perhaps due to the reservation of the bottom the center of gravity was lowered
      1. Lopatov
        Lopatov 30 July 2013 09: 00
        -1
        There the suspension is controllable.
      2. APASUS
        APASUS 30 July 2013 09: 45
        +1
        Quote: buzuke
        Yes, the base is clearly a bit high. certainly strongly affect stability. although perhaps due to the reservation of the bottom the center of gravity was lowered

        In South Africa, for this wheel is filled with water - this reduces the speed of movement, but it improves the mine characteristics. And the center of gravity can be lowered
        1. Jin
          Jin 30 July 2013 11: 44
          0
          Quote: APASUS
          In South Africa, for this wheel is filled with water - this reduces the speed of movement, but it improves the mine characteristics


          An interesting solution ... how much fuel it eats after that is interesting
          1. seller trucks
            seller trucks 30 July 2013 14: 22
            0
            Quote: Jin
            An interesting solution ... how much fuel it eats after that is interesting


            if there YaMZ 5367 (450 hp) then the specific consumption is 65l / 100 km.
    3. Yoke
      Yoke 30 July 2013 09: 47
      0
      I think there should be an adjustable clearance.
  • ICT
    ICT 30 July 2013 07: 12
    +1
    to the source http://topwar.ru/23413-bronemashina-mbombe-6x6.html#comment-id-863224

    most likely not reached (on the exterior at least), I repeat ... making a solid glass is not a problem, on the ISS they hold a meteorite impact (though a small one, but still)
    1. Andy
      Andy 30 July 2013 09: 15
      0
      Quote: TIT
      making durable glass is not a problem

      and why they don’t do it? glass is always a less durable booking element. for example attack aircraft and helicopters. Protection from 14.5 to the front of the armored personnel carrier is not enough.

      here is an example of booking a mi28-
      The crew's armored cabin, the so-called "bath", is made of 10-mm aluminum sheets, on which 16-mm ceramic tiles are glued. The cab doors are made of two layers of aluminum armor and a layer of polyurethane between them. The windshields of the cab are 42 mm thick transparent silicate blocks, while the side windows and door windows are made of the same blocks, but 22 mm thick. The cockpit is separated from the cockpit by 10mm aluminum armor plate, which minimizes the defeat of both crew members with one shot.

      Fire tests carried out at GosNIIAS showed that the sides withstand bullets from the American 20-mm Vulcan machine gun, the windshield - 12,7 mm bullets, and the side windows and door windows - 7,62 mm

      as you can see, the armor of the cabin is significantly superior to glass.
      1. Jin
        Jin 30 July 2013 10: 24
        +1
        Quote: Andy
        as you can see, the armor of the cabin is significantly superior to glass.


        Phenomenal is just news, armor is superior to glass !!! laughing
      2. ICT
        ICT 30 July 2013 18: 28
        0
        Quote: Andy
        mi28-


        it is a helicopter, there the first WEIGHT condition is, from this they do the rest, to achieve the same strength of armor and glass is not a problem, the difference will be in weight, the glass is definitely heavier, I'm still prettier
  • demon ada
    demon ada 30 July 2013 07: 24
    0
    high - yes, but the main thing is protection against bombings, the emphasis is on this.
    it’s hardly a big target, turntables will hang over the columns that will quickly iron all the firing points,
    Carrying large-caliber machine guns through the forests is so difficult. (I mean "partisan")
    1. wasjasibirjac
      wasjasibirjac 30 July 2013 17: 52
      0
      Quote: demon ada
      Carrying large-caliber machine guns through the forests is so difficult. (I mean "partisan")

      and PTRD and PTRS have already ended in warehouses? and the car is interesting. sorry full TTX not shown. it is unlikely that YaMZ will be put into it, most likely some version of KAMAZ-740, and there the power is about 300 hp. but profitability at the level of 40 l / 100 km. 10 landing men are quite normal - just a squad, why should a soldier load like a herring in a barrel.
  • ramsi
    ramsi 30 July 2013 07: 49
    +1
    BTR - should have a load-bearing body, but otherwise, it’s already not bad, although they are too sophisticated with glazing
  • Hudo
    Hudo 30 July 2013 07: 49
    +1
    As I understand it, for firing from the weapons installed on the APCs, the shooter will have to stick out of the hatch to the waist. Or, as usual, this problem will be solved directly in the troops — will they build an armor plate from improvised means?
    1. vladsolo56
      vladsolo56 30 July 2013 07: 56
      +3
      nobody will stick out anywhere, if you have not noticed, then there is a module on the roof, they will be controlled from the inside.
      1. Hudo
        Hudo 30 July 2013 08: 18
        0
        Quote: vladsolo56
        nobody will stick out anywhere, if you have not noticed, then there is a module on the roof, they will be controlled from the inside.


        In the last photo, the grips are clearly visible for deduction during storage. If this is a duplication of control, then half the trouble. Yes, the module itself is seemingly flimsy for even small arms of ordinary caliber to be affected by it - as if it had failed the guys in a combat situation for this reason.
        1. vladsolo56
          vladsolo56 30 July 2013 08: 21
          0
          You correctly noticed this just for the failure of the remote control system.
          1. Hudo
            Hudo 30 July 2013 08: 38
            +1
            Quote: vladsolo56
            You correctly noticed this just for the failure of the remote control system.

            So I’m about this. Under a hail of bullets and fragments, one who pops out of the hatch will feel like a bug in an anthill.
        2. Lopatov
          Lopatov 30 July 2013 08: 39
          0
          These are not handles, but rather protection of the electric trigger from mechanical damage. The last photo shows that there is a plate between the two tubes.
          1. Hudo
            Hudo 30 July 2013 08: 46
            0
            Quote: Spade
            These are not handles, but rather protection of the electric trigger from mechanical damage. The last photo shows that there is a plate between the two tubes.


            Good day Mr. Lopatov! Let me ask, and the protrusions under the fingers on the handles, in the last photo are clearly visible - also to protect the electric trigger from mechanical damage? So it is necessary to close the palms, so as not to be damaged.
            1. Lopatov
              Lopatov 30 July 2013 09: 23
              +3
              Greetings. Where did you see the hilt there? Clickable
            2. alone
              alone 30 July 2013 14: 40
              0
              there are no handles there, this is a remote turret, controlled and used from inside the conveyor
  • mirag2
    mirag2 30 July 2013 07: 56
    +1
    It seems that, at first glance, the car is not bad. KAMAZ trucks of world-class production, I remember when they won the rally for the first time. Yes, and the size of the woo under the bottom is impressive-8kg! Everything is fine and bulletproof glass (what I don't like about glazing here is anyway protection against the same 14.5mm bullets as the APCs, and the view for the carrier is better than in the viewing gap, which jumps before your eyes). So, it turns out that the car is good!
  • IsailoR
    IsailoR 30 July 2013 08: 04
    +3
    It is clear that the machine is not for the battlefield (projection is too high), but for the safe transfer of personnel, so that in the event of an ambush, the convoy can reduce losses in people and equipment.
    In this capacity - quite a worthy option, kmk.
    1. vladsolo56
      vladsolo56 30 July 2013 08: 22
      +3
      This machine is not for the army, it is a technique for internal troops, to fight terror and sabotage.
  • lewerlin53rus
    lewerlin53rus 30 July 2013 08: 18
    +2
    In any case, own development is better than stupidly buying imported. They still will not give the most modern. And here we have our own experience, our own jobs, our own production. It is precisely in the industries where we develop ourselves that we are ahead of the rest or at least not inferior.
  • komsomolets
    komsomolets 30 July 2013 08: 24
    +2
    Sympathetic APC, struck by his appearance, as if from a fantastic action movie about
    Alien, but as always, everything will ruin the engine, they will put some junk.
    1. Gecko
      Gecko 30 July 2013 10: 20
      +1
      Today KAMAZ-Diesel OJSC produces 37 main models of diesel and gas engines and more than 200 of their various modifications and configurations. In terms of output, KAMAZ-Diesel OJSC takes the 8th place among the engine-building enterprises in the world.
      KAMAZ-Diesel OJSC is a modern production facility equipped with unique machines and lines: Emag, Liebherr, Reshauer, Boehringer, Mitsubishi and others. All KAMAZ engines of the EURO-2 and EURO-3 class are at the basic indicators foreign analogues and can be used for installation on various equipment. Today, the preparation of production for an engine of the EURO-4 class has almost been completed, which allows KAMAZ-Diesel OJSC to take its rightful place among the best manufacturers of diesel engines.
      1. komsomolets
        komsomolets 30 July 2013 22: 53
        0
        God forbid, God forbid, not everything is so bad in our state
  • ed65b
    ed65b 30 July 2013 08: 33
    +3
    Here is another competitor appeared from Kamaz. It is very pleasing when there is plenty to choose from for CSKA. The higher the competition, the better the output. You can still connect the Urals.
    1. koosss
      koosss 30 July 2013 09: 28
      +1
      Quote: ed65b
      You can still connect the Urals

      there are problems above the roof
      1. waisson
        waisson 30 July 2013 09: 54
        +5
        there are such monsters in the Urals
      2. waisson
        waisson 30 July 2013 10: 02
        +1
        The Casspir Mk6 armored vehicle is built on the basis of the chassis of our Ural-4320 truck with a YaMZ 236NE2 turbodiesel whose power is 230 hp. and manual gearbox YaMZ 236U. The use of Russian components in the development of the "American Urals" allowed developers to reduce the cost of the truck by one third - to $ 350,000. The result is an excellent and relatively inexpensive armored personnel carrier.



        The idea of ​​using components of the Russian Urals when creating an armored vehicle belongs to the Indian company Mahindra & Mahindra. Thus, the new armored personnel carrier has a V-shaped all-welded body, like the previous Casspir model, which is mounted on the Russian Ural chassis. The basic version of the army machine Casspir Mk6 is an armored bus that can carry up to 16 people. It is stated that during the tests the armored vehicle withstood without detriment to personnel the detonation of 21 kg of charge under the wheel and 14 kg of charge under the hull. A hitch of additional ballistic protection is also possible.



        An armored personnel carrier is not intended to be used as a combat vehicle; it is a multi-purpose vehicle, an armored personnel carrier and a command vehicle. The length of the Casspir Mk6 is 7.59 m, 2.67 m in width and height - 2.955 m. The monster's ground clearance is 380 mm, the turning radius is 22 m, the gross vehicle weight is 14320 kg and the maximum speed is 80 km / h.
        1. waisson
          waisson 30 July 2013 10: 05
          +3
          here is another option
          1. ed65b
            ed65b 30 July 2013 10: 50
            0
            even he was at a loss, beauty, damn it, and now how to choose which is better? Yes, from the breadth of proposals, the army’s head goes round smile
            1. Lopatov
              Lopatov 30 July 2013 10: 58
              +1
              These will never be in Russia. The British will not allow it.
  • Rosomaha67
    Rosomaha67 30 July 2013 08: 46
    0
    Quote: Hudo
    Quote: vladsolo56
    nobody will stick out anywhere, if you have not noticed, then there is a module on the roof, they will be controlled from the inside.


    In the last photo, the grips are clearly visible for deduction during storage. If this is a duplication of control, then half the trouble. Yes, the module itself is seemingly flimsy for even small arms of ordinary caliber to be affected by it - as if it had failed the guys in a combat situation for this reason.


    ..... it’s duplication, the sighting system is visible in the same photo, and it is clear from it that it is designed to control shooting from inside the APC. In addition, the swivel mechanism is built so that you can only fire remotely from behind, so there is clearly a remote control.
  • Xoxoxnumxun
    Xoxoxnumxun 30 July 2013 08: 51
    +4
    I would like to know exactly where it is planned to use this technique? If on the battlefield, then a little tall. I once had one tank commander, so he explained that if you increase the height of the tank by 10% (like t-80 was taken as the reference point), then the probability of falling along it increases by 10% and the dependence there my was not linear ....)
    Quote: demon ada
    it’s hardly a big target, turntables will hang over the columns that will quickly iron all the firing points,

    That is, it is better not to use equipment without helicopters? IMHO this is not very good.
    1. yanus
      yanus 30 July 2013 09: 34
      +2
      Quote: Xoxo4un
      I would like to know exactly where it is planned to use this technique? If on the battlefield, then a little tall. I once had one tank commander, so he explained that if you increase the height of the tank by 10% (like t-80 was taken as the reference point), then the probability of falling along it increases by 10% and the dependence there my was not linear ....)

      This is true for long range shooting with unguided weapons. ATGM one FIG gets.
      And when shooting from an RPG with 50 meters, the difference in the height of the weather will not make - everyone will hit it exactly.
      The only "problem" if such an armored personnel carrier is given to reinforce the checkpoint is to hide behind concrete blocks, sandbags, etc. will be more difficult.
      1. Captain Vrungel
        Captain Vrungel 30 July 2013 10: 13
        +2
        These armored monsters are created not so much to fight the external enemy as internal. In advanced orders, they will either be burned in the first minute, or he will somersault in the second on an unnamed bump. Behind the rear, simple motor vehicles are more appropriate. Such, in conflict points.
        1. yanus
          yanus 30 July 2013 11: 20
          0
          Quote: Captain Vrungel
          These armored monsters are created not so much to fight the external enemy as internal. In advanced orders, they will either be burned in the first minute, or he will somersault in the second on an unnamed bump. Behind the rear, simple motor vehicles are more appropriate. Such, in conflict points.

          No, this is just the same practically a typical armored personnel carrier. Mine protection in it for "show". It should be used precisely in major conflicts, but as an armored personnel carrier. The fact that we have used the Ministry of Defense to fight terrorists, armored personnel carriers as BMPs, etc. - only shows the level of problems in the state. The APC should NOT participate in hostilities.

          In addition, this APC can be the basis for various machines, such as sanitary ..

          And for the internal troops, which "butt" with terrorists, just MPAPs are needed.

          An attempt to cross one with the other - from poverty, stupidity and lack of equipment in the troops.
  • Sochi
    Sochi 30 July 2013 08: 56
    +2
    Interestingly, the doors open (on the third photo from the bottom) upstream so that it would be more convenient to catch bullets in the cabin? and when leaving on the go pushing the door?
  • JonnyT
    JonnyT 30 July 2013 09: 02
    +1
    Interestingly, the main thing is the modernization potential. This is one of the first Mrapov! Well, the "Electromachine" turret is generally good, again the range of angles is interesting, the presence of barrel stabilization.
    I think this armored personnel carrier has a future!
  • yanus
    yanus 30 July 2013 09: 23
    +2
    Quote: Good
    High turned out, the target on the battlefield is noticeable.

    This is an armored personnel carrier, it has nothing to do directly on the battlefield. For him, the main problem is ambushes, aviation. A little landmine.
  • SITH
    SITH 30 July 2013 09: 30
    +2
    The fact that 6 * 6 for this bravo! TTX of those that are known is normal, but of course these portholes, well, not a single stump or a deck. We hope that in the future they will be redone
  • rennim
    rennim 30 July 2013 09: 37
    +4
    Normal armored vehicle. Not bad for riot police. MO needs a different generation machine. Otherwise hello RPG !!!
    1. Lopatov
      Lopatov 30 July 2013 10: 03
      +1
      They have protection against RPGs. Or special mats, or grills.
    2. engineer74
      engineer74 30 July 2013 10: 05
      +3
      "... hello RPG !!!"
      KAZ suggests itself, such as the Israeli Trophy ...
      IMHO
      1. Jin
        Jin 30 July 2013 10: 15
        +3
        Damn, again this voice over RPG !!! May be enough? There are no absolutely invulnerable cars! The task is to reduce the percentage of defeat of the crew and landing to a minimum! What did you say new? There was no mine protection, many shouted AAAA, kapets, bullshit! Mine protection appeared, now give protection from RPGs !!! Yes, his tank does not hold! Can you immediately put a defense against direct nuclear weapons hit ?!
        1. alone
          alone 30 July 2013 20: 32
          +2
          Using RPG-7, you can destroy anything. if the shooter is good, even the tank will not shake off, not to mention armored personnel carrier
      2. alone
        alone 31 July 2013 14: 53
        0
        KAZ is too expensive a device to attach it to an armored personnel carrier. Even the Jews did not agree to this. But they found another way. They began to make armored personnel carriers from captured tanks. In principle, they can do this in Russia too. I think a lot of decommissioned tanks. those same 55th and 62nd
  • leon-iv
    leon-iv 30 July 2013 09: 57
    +4
    By the way about asymmetric glazing.
    IMHO eot for explosives in the Caucasus where you need a very good overview on mountain streamers. YES and Central Asia with its mountains are no better.
  • SmacXnumx
    SmacXnumx 30 July 2013 09: 58
    +1
    The machine is interesting well that the development of armored vehicles goes in several directions, there is a choice.
    1. dustycat
      dustycat 30 July 2013 21: 02
      0
      Quote: Smac111
      The machine is interesting well that the development of armored vehicles goes in several directions, there is a choice.

      This is not development.
      This is another shushpanzer.
  • Xoxoxnumxun
    Xoxoxnumxun 30 July 2013 10: 06
    +2
    Quote: yanus
    This is true for long range shooting with unguided weapons. ATGM one FIG gets.
    And when shooting from an RPG with 50 meters, the difference in the height of the weather will not make - everyone will hit it exactly.
    The only "problem" if such an armored personnel carrier is given to reinforce the checkpoint is to hide behind concrete blocks, sandbags, etc. will be more difficult.

    Well, maybe you know better. Chukchi, as they say, is not a practitioner, Chukchi is a theorist.

    But essentially I'm a signalman. I studied the deployment of motorized rifles only in theory, when under a barrage of artillery fire the battalion deploys into a chain of armored personnel carriers / infantry fighting vehicles at a given line and then dismounts. That is, at this moment, the technique is quite vulnerable.

    But perhaps now in this vein, fights are not being fought and all this is not relevant.
    1. s1н7т
      s1н7т 30 July 2013 10: 35
      +2
      I suspect the battles are fought in the same way as the situation and the order require - so there can be anything laughing Or, for example, actions in ambush / defense - bury / disguise such a monster! lol So the car is more likely for the Ministry of Internal Affairs than for the Ministry of Defense - there it is necessary not only to deliver l / s, but also to cover it, to support it in conditions of active opposition, incl. anti-tank weapons. And with such "growth" it will be detected at a range that allows you to calmly aim, and even fire more than one shot - to adjust the sight or finish off.
      1. Lopatov
        Lopatov 30 July 2013 10: 54
        0
        With modern means of detection and damage, size does not matter. BTR-90 is also not at all small
        1. s1н7т
          s1н7т 31 July 2013 00: 39
          0
          Quote: Spade
          size doesn't matter

          We, of course, from different eras, Shovels, but here you are wrong - size always matters if we are talking about the forefront.
  • Ezhaak
    Ezhaak 30 July 2013 10: 18
    +1
    Oh, and the "Electric machine" is good! Pretty simple.
  • Chicot 1
    Chicot 1 30 July 2013 10: 26
    +2
    This "object 1200" was promising at one time, but here I saw nothing new. Yes, and why was it necessary to sculpt "from what was" this very armored vehicle, if work is underway on the "Boomerang" theme? .. Moreover, the design bureau is underway, which, as they say, "ate the dog" on light wheeled armored vehicles. Do they not naively think at KamAZ (which had never been involved in the development of armored vehicles before!) That their brainchild will be taken to supply the army right now and this very second (like the fools and newcomers are lucky)?
    By and large, it is a waste of both time and money. Minus KamAZ however ... negative

    "Object 1200" (development of the design bureau of the Bryansk Automobile Plant, 1960s) ...
  • alert_timka
    alert_timka 30 July 2013 10: 37
    +2
    I do not understand the comments of some that the height is very large and this makes this technique easy prey for the grenade launcher. Did the low silhouette of the armored personnel carriers and infantry fighting vehicles in the Caucasus and even in Syria really help? Typically, a grenade launcher operates from 150 meters or less. From these distances in the city or in ambushes in the mountains, a man with a pipe will surely fall into a passenger car, not to mention military equipment. And in the photo I liked both versions of the Kamaz armored personnel carriers.
    1. s1н7т
      s1н7т 31 July 2013 23: 13
      -1
      Quote: alert_timka
      I do not understand the comments of some that the height is very large and this makes this technique easy prey for the grenade launcher

      But what, have the other weapons been canceled? Do not get hung up on famous city battles - life is much more diverse, equipment in the Armed Forces should be unified under different conditions of the war. A big car is a big goal, anyway.
  • Owl
    Owl 30 July 2013 10: 44
    +3
    All the same, I do not understand why they abandon the "cilia" ?, leave at least the possibility of mounting armored shields, transported in a fixed state on the side armor and, if necessary, fastening and covering large bulletproof glasses. When using this machine on a territory saturated with representatives of separatist bandit formations, frequent shelling of vehicles passing through the city limits from a machine with glass damage affecting the view (potholes, chips) is possible, in addition, this will inevitably happen when participating in special operations to destroy members of illegal armed groups. Taking into account the possible problems of replacing (at the level of repair companies) bulletproof glass, is it not easier to immediately think over the option of saving expensive glass using affordable and cheaper (than replacement) methods and methods.
    1. Jin
      Jin 30 July 2013 10: 58
      0
      Quote: Eagle Owl
      All the same, it is not clear to me why they refuse "cilia"?


      But I didn’t see where it was written about. You can always hang them, colleague.
      1. Owl
        Owl 30 July 2013 13: 47
        +2
        refusal of "cilia" is shown in the photo where the installed "wiper" is visible. no one at KAMAZ, until they are ordered, will not alter anything, it is not for them (KAMAZ) to fight, they only carry out a full cycle of servicing vehicles, operation is a matter of soldiers and officers (for many "leaders", this "consumable" is not worth additional financial expenses).
        1. Jin
          Jin 30 July 2013 14: 04
          +1
          Quote: Eagle Owl
          refusal of "cilia" is shown in the photo where the installed "wiper" is visible. no one at KAMAZ, until ordered, will not alter anything


          The janitor can easily work under the eyelashes. This does not mean anything. How, without a janitor at all, climb out with a rag with water from a bucket to wash ??? No rework that you. Cilia is just one of the "body kit" options. KAMAZ will do what it is ordered to do. They will order with cilia, they will weld. There is nothing complicated about it, not in terms of money, not in time, not in technology ...
  • Dmitry 2246
    Dmitry 2246 30 July 2013 10: 46
    +2
    Fantastic appearance, visible protection of a different level.
    A tall car is good because the armored group supports the shooters at a distance. Had to shoot over the fences.
    The modularity is impressive, which means the maintainability of the equipment in part.
    The wheels are geary. I had to slide along the hills.
    The issue is overcoming water barriers, although I often went over the bottom with wheels.
    I look forward to the development of the project.
    A nurse, technical equipment, artillery, anti-aircraft gunners, engineers, chemists can use the base.
    1. s1н7т
      s1н7т 31 July 2013 23: 19
      -1
      Quote: Dmitry 2246
      A tall car is good because the armored group supports the shooters at a distance. Had to shoot over the fences.

      VV-schnick, I guess? And the army needs to "look shirsh". She does not need OMON cattle trucks. She needs battlefield machines, which this coffin doesn't even pretend to be.
      1. Dmitry 2246
        Dmitry 2246 1 August 2013 09: 52
        0
        In the war, everyone and VV-shniki die.
        I did not observe cattle trucks. And he left without armor.
        And the VV-shniki were armed like us.
        And the "armor" adapted for battle burned regardless of the thickness of the armor.
  • tilovaykrisa
    tilovaykrisa 30 July 2013 10: 55
    +1
    It's nothing beautiful, the RPG is not the RPG, the main thing is protection from land mines, it just confuses the glazing area and what kind of visibility will the driver have if a horn 7.62 is released on it.
    1. Jin
      Jin 30 July 2013 11: 04
      +1
      Quote: tilovaykrisa
      It's nothing beautiful, the RPG is not the RPG, the main thing is protection from land mines, it only confuses the glazing area and what kind of visibility will the driver have if a horn is released on it 7.62


      in NII Steel OJSC, bullet-proof glass with a thickness of 128,5-129,0 mm, dimensions 500 × 500 mm, which successfully, without any damage to the anti-splinter layer, withstood 2 rounds of the indicated ammunition from the KPVT with a bullet flight speed at the moment of contact 911 ± 10 m / s.

      Are you talking about 7,62 ...
      1. tilovaykrisa
        tilovaykrisa 30 July 2013 13: 44
        0
        I didn’t talk about breaking through, when a bullet from a KPVT hit, that your glass was not damaged at all? Well, shoot at any bulletproof glass, it is covered with the degree of cracks, but it doesn’t break through, but you can’t look through it either, or I don’t take something and the bulletproof glass is not made on the principle of a pie ???
        1. Jin
          Jin 30 July 2013 13: 56
          0
          Quote: tilovaykrisa
          I didn’t talk about breaking through, when a bullet from a KPVT hit, that your glass was not damaged at all?


          Can you read? Highlighted it in bold. If damage occurs, then the carrier, I think, will be able to continue driving. It was one thing "damaged", quite another "continuous blind web" on it ... Is there a difference? Moreover, we are talking about KPVT! And in most cases the fire is automatic-rifle-machine-gun (not large-caliber). Even UTYOS, KORD, but not KPV !!! And here we are talking about the CPV, so that there probably would be no questions ...
          1. tilovaykrisa
            tilovaykrisa 30 July 2013 14: 04
            0
            I can’t believe it, they are cunning the designer, I would have believed about the cliff, and it looks like the glasses are made of pure diamond. After hitting, only a piece the size of 1 kopeck bounces.
            1. Jin
              Jin 30 July 2013 14: 13
              0
              Quote: tilovaykrisa
              I can’t believe it, they are cunning the designer,


              Meaning?
    2. Russ69
      Russ69 30 July 2013 11: 26
      +2
      Quote: tilovaykrisa
      it’s just confusing the glazing area and what kind of visibility will the driver have if a horn 7.62 is released through it.

      We still have to get the whole store.
      We have made a prototype so far whether it will go into production or not, is unknown. As a patrol or escort, it’s all right. Look at the imported MRAP, there is no less glazing. And no one is going to attack them, as well as the APCs however.
      1. tilovaykrisa
        tilovaykrisa 30 July 2013 13: 49
        0
        Yes, you can get there, but you may have to go on the attack, well, not in the frontal course, but covering the withdrawal of the group with your case can very well be.
        1. Jin
          Jin 30 July 2013 14: 14
          0
          Quote: tilovaykrisa
          Yes, you can get there, but you may have to go on the attack, well, not in the frontal course, but covering the withdrawal of the group with your case can very well be.


          Do you think you can’t cope with the closure? I wonder why?
          1. tilovaykrisa
            tilovaykrisa 30 July 2013 14: 27
            0
            No, I think that on the contrary it will cope, the height, the degree of reservation, allow. All the bulletproof glass that I previously met were deformed from being hit, but then about the KPVT it came that the current supposedly scratches a bit. So self-esteem took me what will happen if they start to peck in the eyes, they are noticeable, but a tank can also be blinded from small arms, there are examples.
            1. Jin
              Jin 30 July 2013 14: 33
              0
              Quote: tilovaykrisa
              So self-esteem took me what will happen if they start to peck in the eyes, they are noticeable, but a tank can also be blinded from small arms, there are examples.


              You can dazzle, here the point is to make this task as difficult for the enemy as possible. Do not compare with a tank. There, to dazzle a few triplexes, but a sight ... To get into them is more difficult, of course, but they only go like a "net", for that.
  • gregor6549
    gregor6549 30 July 2013 12: 15
    +6
    Impression of times: they showed a promising target that only the lazy will not fall into and which will roll over with a slight breeze from a distant explosion.
    Two impressions: KAMAZ does not want the military budget to be cut without it
  • eplewke
    eplewke 30 July 2013 14: 01
    +1
    Urals certainly look more solid ... But a plus for what we do. competition in local markets from domestic manufacturers is welcome.
  • awg75
    awg75 30 July 2013 14: 26
    +1
    why not!!!!
  • alone
    alone 30 July 2013 14: 43
    +3
    It looks like a Finnish patriya. In general, a good mrap for transporting personnel. Although it is unlikely to be in service. But for the internal troops and counter-terrorist forces, a quite suitable machine
  • 12345
    12345 30 July 2013 16: 06
    +3
    To all "critics" who are choking in noble indignation.

    "The road of a thousand li begins with one step." (Chinese proverb)

    There are already several "steps" here, and judging by the general prevailing tone of comments, it is clearly in the right direction. And here I am with the majority - in solidarity. Progress is clear. And this is good! Good for everyone except our enemies.
  • sigizmund472
    sigizmund472 30 July 2013 16: 49
    +3
    At one time, I had to serve as a mechanic - a driver of the BTR-60PB. The new KamAZ armored personnel carrier is not close relatives. Of course, sitting at home and looking at the pictures you can reason and criticize. But this
    Quote: 12345
    Progress is obvious. And this is good! Good for everyone except our foes.
  • asbaev
    asbaev 30 July 2013 18: 25
    0
    Beautiful cars :)
  • sergey158-29
    sergey158-29 30 July 2013 18: 30
    0
    It is said - "the first running option promising armored personnel carrier ", ie, as I understand it - a vehicle for working out the chassis ... And the cabin can be altered! good
    They asked ABOVE about the sunroofs - these are emergency exits, the rear ramp is probably on hydraulics, and God forbid it will "fail"! crying
    1. dustycat
      dustycat 30 July 2013 21: 09
      0
      Quote: sergey158-29
      promising armored personnel carrier ", ie, as I understand it - a vehicle for working out the chassis ...

      Running gear must be worked out on the ring races of trucks.
      In racing tractors, it is more similar to the BaAZ chassis - a volumetric frame, an independent suspension, an independent drive of each wheel.
      And here - the 4310 frame sticks out - what's new?
  • Druid
    Druid 30 July 2013 21: 05
    +1
    Good equipment, KAMAZ members are great, because you started counting from scratch, and you have advanced far. The Russian army was supposed to have such equipment in the 90s, there were more boys, i.e. the soldier would survive.
    The ideal machine for special operations, etc.
  • ugly2010
    ugly2010 18 September 2013 12: 10
    0
    And what kind of lighting technology is cunning on them? They even speak German ...