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"And also low quality"



The President called the reasons for the constant disruption of the deadlines for the delivery of the Navy ships

Vladimir Putin demanded to streamline the schedule for the transfer of the newest ships to the Navy, and also to speed up the preparation of the coastal infrastructure for their full service. Experts believe that blamed for the disruption of the schedule of the defense industry, as well as former Defense Minister Anatoly Serdyukov.
Speaking at a meeting in Novo-Ogaryovo on problems of the Navy on Monday, President Vladimir Putin named the reasons for the constant disruption in the delivery of new ships and weapons to the fleet. Recall, on the eve of Putin examined the base of the Black Sea fleet Russia in Sevastopol.

“The reasons are different. But the main ones are inefficiency of interaction between the state customer and the defense industrial complex organizations, disruptions in the supply of components by related companies, the lack of proper cooperation between production and design organizations, as well as the low quality of the supplied equipment, ”Putin quotes RIA“News».

According to the VIEW newspaper, the president cited the example that during the construction of a serial ship of one of the projects 132 had a case of equipment failure, and “it is no good”, and he expects “from industry representatives, interested ministries and departments concrete proposals the situation. " After the meeting, Deputy Prime Minister Dmitry Rogozin said that the president had given only six months to solve problems between the military and industry.

The principles of the formation of the state defense order will be revised, the future - for single contracts that unite and weapon, and electronics, and power units, also reported Rogozin.

“Of particular concern are the old methods in the construction of ships, when some contracts extended to the construction of ships, and others - to the weapons for them. Now it will all be revised. Unified contracts will be prepared, which will place a special responsibility on the lead contractor for everything to be ready on time — weapons, electronics, and power units, ”Rogozin said.

650 links in the "chain"

The chief editor of the magazine “National Defense”, Igor Korotchenko, called the semi-annual term “very tough”. “Contradictions have accumulated over the years. But if there is political will and appropriate control, the period can be real, ”the expert noted.

According to Korotchenko, the defense industry is primarily to blame for the delays. “650 contractors who are involved in the supply of components in one way or another are working on a Borey-class submarine. Disruption by someone of the timing entails a breakdown throughout the chain and leads to a delay in the transfer of combat units to the fleet. Therefore, the main problem is the irregularity of the industry, ”Korotchenko told the VIEW newspaper.

The expert noted that after the creation of the United Shipbuilding Corporation, a lot was done to “the deadlines were planned”, but “the previous 20 years, when funding went bad, affected”. He also pointed out the reason for the “butting” between the military-industrial complex and admirals at a time when the Defense Ministry was headed by Anatoly Serdyukov.

“The current minister, Sergei Shoigu, is extremely constructive in his interaction with industry,” said Korotchenko, noting that Shoygu appointed Yuri Borisov, who previously headed the Military Industrial Commission, “who is in the subject and has connections in industry” as his deputy for armaments.

However, optimistic notes were also heard at the president’s meeting. Putin said that already over 85% of the state defense order for the year was placed and contracted. “In general, this is not bad. Contracts are concluded, ”he said.

Recall that in 2010 – 11, contracting was accompanied by scandals. The Ministry of Defense quarreled with the defense industry, as in some cases the prices seemed to the agency too high. The most controversial contracts (in particular, nuclear submarines with the United Shipbuilding Corporation) were signed in November 2011 in the presence of Putin, who was then Prime Minister. Problems in terms of execution of the state defense order were observed at the beginning of last year.

Horizon will overtake the ships

United Shipbuilding Corporation (USC) is finalizing work on its development strategy, which will be designed for the next 30 years, Rogozin also said.

“It is necessary to expand the planning horizon of the entire shipbuilding industry. Now such plans are designed for 10 years. The approach will change dramatically. The new strategy will be designed for 30 years ahead, ”said Rogozin. According to him, "by the end of September, the USC will complete work on its strategy."

As Rogozin explained, an increase in the “planning horizon” up to 30 years, that is, around the life of a warship, “will also allow money to save money for the country, for social and economic programs, to be more prudent for the defense budget, and on the other hand, to create a fleet which will not allow any adversary to even think about possible aggression against our country, using maritime borders. ”

Rogozin noted that a very important dialogue between industry and the military was held at the meeting.

Admirals in the role of "random buyers"

According to him, before the Admiralty, in general, the Ministry of Defense acted as such a casual buyer, and the industry was less focused on providing high quality, and tried only to “get rid of the order” as quickly as possible. “Now the situation has changed dramatically. The dialogue has been restored between the customer and the industry, ”said Rogozin.

He noted that the new development strategy of USC should include many important issues: indicators of increased productivity, specialization of shipyards and shipyards, the unification of the design potential.

Rogozin did not rule out further expansion of the corporation due to the inclusion in its structure of enterprises that are extremely important for shipbuilding. In particular, the developers of speaker systems, underwater weapons.

Agree on the shore

At the meeting, the president also demanded that the Alexander Nevsky, Vladimir Monomakh and the nuclear-powered submarine Severodvinsk be handed over this year.

“All this is a new generation of equipment, and in order for it to function effectively, it is necessary to develop and modernize the relevant coastal infrastructure,” he continued. Putin asked to report on how the work is going. “Where at least there are capital construction plans, something is not yet visible,” the president added.

The former submariner, captain of rank III reserve Andrei Mikhailov, who lives in Severodvinsk, assumes that shipbuilders will meet this deadline. He recalled that "Severodvinsk" is almost ready to surrender, "and now the last stages of sea trials are underway." "Alexander Nevsky" was launched in 2011 year and passed the full range of running and mooring tests. Mooring tests relate to inspection of equipment at the pier, and running - at sea. “This boat could have been commissioned last year. It all depended on the Bulava rocket. But she, too, was put into service, so there is no doubt, ”Mikhailov told VIEW newspaper, expressing confidence that“ Vladimir Monomakh ”would also be delivered before the end of the year.

According to him, the boats were ready last year, “but they didn’t force their fleet to receive them, as in Soviet times, when in one year six boats were handed over, and the Bulava rocket crews were waiting.

Korotchenko also explained why Putin demanded to speed up work on the coast in order to create a basing infrastructure corresponding to new missile carriers. “We should not get into the situation in which the Soviet fleet was located. Then the boats and ships were forced to stand at the pier in the sea and develop their resources. Therefore, all life support systems - water supply and heat from the shore - must be made. Otherwise, it will be criminal to transfer to the army and navy new equipment, ”Korotchenko believes.
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  1. tronin.maxim
    tronin.maxim 30 July 2013 06: 31 New
    17
    Everywhere Sirdyukov! Which is probably on the Canaries and not on the bunks! am
    1. Edward72
      Edward72 30 July 2013 07: 15 New
      20
      No, Serdyukov is now fighting with Tolya Ryzhiy nano stools in Skolkovo
    2. S_mirnov
      S_mirnov 30 July 2013 12: 47 New
      +4
      And who appointed Serdyukov and does not allow him to be planted?
      1. as2604
        as2604 30 July 2013 16: 26 New
        +6
        Without Volodya Putin, too, could not have done
      2. S_mirnov
        S_mirnov 30 July 2013 16: 39 New
        +2
        Ha, to see who is minus - he knows who appointed Serdyukov!
        1. Arberes
          Arberes 31 July 2013 00: 49 New
          +3
          Quote: S_mirnov
          And who appointed Serdyukov and does not allow him to be planted?

          This is it, this is it-Leningradsky postman?

          Quote: S_mirnov
          Ha, to see who is minus - he knows who appointed Serdyukov!

          I’m plus you, my friend, but that doesn’t mean that I don’t know! drinks
    3. Vovka levka
      Vovka levka 30 July 2013 15: 04 New
      13
      Quote: tronin.maxim
      Everywhere Sirdyukov! Which is probably on the Canaries and not on the bunks! am

      Do you really think that Serdyukov alone is to blame?
      You know, when the loot is done, but not earned, it is simply impossible to produce something. The soul does not lie, it is a stranger. And in order to produce highly technological things, it is necessary to plow, to grow specialists. And any highly skilled specialist has his own point of view and does not like to bend. And they don’t like such people at state-owned factories; So the best ones leave, especially if there are brains, you will not be lost. The most important thing is people, but so far they don’t understand this. That is why such a result.
  2. serge-68-68
    serge-68-68 30 July 2013 06: 34 New
    +8
    And also complete irresponsibility ...
    1. Arberes
      Arberes 30 July 2013 09: 46 New
      13
      Well, if VVP himself publicly announced problems in the shipbuilding field, then this is indeed so! As they say, information for reflection firsthand, and not from dubious pro-Western sources !!! This is for those who like to use the term "prosralipolymers" - a word that they came up with, then is there a fantasy?
      I'm not gloating! I just want some of our respected colleagues to look at what is happening with our fleet and shipbuilding correctly!
      You can not fully appreciate the full range of problems wearing pink eyeglasses?
      1. S_mirnov
        S_mirnov 30 July 2013 13: 04 New
        +7
        "" The reasons here are different. But the main ones are the ineffectiveness of the interaction between the state customer and the defense industry organizations, the failure to supply components to related enterprises, the lack of proper cooperation between production and design organizations, as well as the low quality of the supplied equipment, "RIA Novosti quoted Putin as saying. . "
        The question arises, why the current situation is taught as a natural disaster, and not as a result of military reform ?! After all, then the guilty parties are clearly identified and must be punished! And so it all happened by itself, there are no perpetrators, you just need to redo everything and so on ad infinitum.
      2. Pilat2009
        Pilat2009 30 July 2013 20: 18 New
        +2
        Quote: Arberes
        VVP himself publicly announced problems in the shipbuilding field

        Only the lazy did not know about it
        As in the whole defense industry
    2. Ross
      Ross 30 July 2013 10: 59 New
      16
      One of the troubles of our shipbuilding - even from Soviet times - is not the ability to clearly comply with standards. In the 80-th years was a witness at the construction of the Warsaw. We’re building the sixth boat in a series, and we’ll “master” the money from the seventh, for which only metal is cut.
      1. Nayhas
        Nayhas 30 July 2013 12: 09 New
        +4
        Quote: Ross
        We’re building the sixth boat in a series, and we’ll “master” the money from the seventh, for which only metal is cut.

        Eugene, YOUR comment will not be noticed, because it contradicts the thesis that all the problems of the military-industrial complex are due to the “damned 90's”.
        1. olviko
          olviko 30 July 2013 13: 08 New
          +5
          In vain are you, Nayhas, so about the Soviet era, If it weren’t for it, now there would be no fleet at all.
  3. valokordin
    valokordin 30 July 2013 07: 13 New
    16
    Therefore, the main problem is the irregularity of industry, ”Korotchenko told the newspaper VZGLYAD.The main reason is the absence of Lavrenty Pavlovich and Joseph Vissarionovich at the combat post.
    КOrotchenko also explained why Putin demanded to speed up work on the shore in order to create a basing infrastructure appropriate for the new missile carriers. “We must not get into the situation in which the Soviet fleet was. Then the boats and ships were forced to stand at the pier in the sea and work out their resources. Therefore, all life support systems - the supply of water and heat from the shore - must be done. Otherwise, it will be criminal to transfer new equipment to the army and navy, ”said Korotchenko.
    Korgotchenko provocateur Soviet fleet at the pier dol
    didn’t stand
    1. TRex
      TRex 30 July 2013 07: 32 New
      +8
      They created an idol ... Tell me: in which of the areas of military affairs is Korotchenko not a great specialist? IN EVERY HOLE - A GAG.
    2. aksakal
      aksakal 30 July 2013 07: 47 New
      17
      Quote: valokordin
      Therefore, the main problem is the irregularity of industry

      - I recall the conscientious past -) Rasslabon at the beginning of the quarter, at the end of the quarter it is clear that we don’t fit into the plan, the end of the quarter is plowing "on the black", including weekends. What is the quality? - to have time -)))). Strength of habit is second nature.
      Oh, minuses will fly now - even if you write the truth, you still can’t post bad things about the USSR. So I'm not bad at all, it was such a feature of the industry of the USSR, who said that it was bad? I DO NOT SPEAK THIS!
      1. lewerlin53rus
        lewerlin53rus 30 July 2013 08: 26 New
        +5
        Yes, and it was. About everything that broke down, they said that it was done at the end of the quarter. A plan, at any cost, five-year plan for three years, the delivery of objects to the solemn dates was a constant practice. And after the solemn cutting of the ribbon and the rally, the elimination of the imperfections , many of which remained unresolved, as formally they weren’t.
      2. baltika-18
        baltika-18 30 July 2013 08: 53 New
        +6
        Quote: aksakal
        remember the conscientious past

        It was....
        Quote: aksakal
        cons will fly now

        Arrived, not because it was so, but because they did, unlike today.
      3. military
        military 30 July 2013 10: 36 New
        +7
        Quote: aksakal
        - I recall the conscientious past -) Rasslabon at the beginning of the quarter, at the end of the quarter it is clear that we do not fit into the plan, the end of the quarter is plowing "on a draft day", including weekends. What is the quality? - to have time -)))). Strength of habit is second nature. Oh, minuses will fly now - even if you write the truth, you still can’t post bad things about the USSR. So I'm not bad at all, it was such a feature of the industry of the USSR, who said that it was bad? I DO NOT SPEAK THIS!

        I remember ... the end of the quarter ... the institute is in time trouble ... on Friday after lunch they present to PSI a prototype of special equipment ... the boss commands "starley, your theme - sit at least around the clock, but spend the reception!" ... all weekend I’m sitting in a workshop with testers and a security officer ... held ... sealed ... packed ... closed the notice ... the plan was completed ... fellow
        then the product is still two weeks (of the new quarter) lying in a special warehouse until shipment to the landfill ... recourse
        and yet ... those were the BEST times! ... winked
        1. sanj
          sanj 30 July 2013 11: 29 New
          +1
          Well yes ! Sugar is sweeter, the grass is greener and the women are younger!
          1. Igarr
            Igarr 30 July 2013 13: 40 New
            +5
            Not true...
            Tashkent factory Algorithm, graduation workshop 12. UBM was shipped - part of Elbrus for controlling magnetic drums.
            Wola ... caressed ... the whole block. One is not, the other is, "well, you, the adjusters will not let you down? - No. But, give a damn device early."
            Dali, three cabinets two days before 30 June.
            In summer, in Asia, working at night is just that. We released them. True, our eyes are bulging red, the military representative also. But I didn’t see such concern on the part of the management anymore — all that was left was to invite half-naked women with dancing to the workshop.
            So, again, we packed - along with riggers. And in 22 with copecks, on 30 on June these boxes left. On a long journey.
            Like a piece of heart sent, honestly. We have grown together with them already.
            Then, gradually adjusted. And there was no such assault.
            .
            And on the topic of the article.
            The following seemed strange to me.
            Putin says. It should be.
            Rogozin explains - also in a stream.
            Korotchenko promises - well, he's always like that.
            And where, in fact, are the admirals, where is the Main Naval Headquarters, where is the General Staff simply?
            To them what, on the drum - WHICH ships will be delivered? If only more?
            Well, now the cycle will not be “monthly”, but 30-year old.
            But after all - the General Staff is planning a WAR.
            And not production.
            Which ships will you need? For what? Either in Bab-el-Mandeba to froth the waves, or in the Arctic and the Antarctic to wate the adversary?
            ....
            Why do we need a fleet?
            Do you plan to fulfill?
            1. dustycat
              dustycat 30 July 2013 18: 56 New
              +1
              Quote: Igarr

              And where, in fact, are the admirals, where is the Main Naval Headquarters, where is the General Staff simply?

              They would have this, who would have advised what ta .. temporarily performing the supreme commander in chief from them to wish to deign.

              Quote: Igarr

              Which ships will you need? For what? Either in Bab-el-Mandeba to froth the waves, or in the Arctic and the Antarctic to wate the adversary?
              ....
              Why do we need a fleet?
              Do you plan to fulfill?

              So this, as a ... temporarily acting as the supreme commander in chief will tell.
          2. kavkaz8888
            kavkaz8888 30 July 2013 14: 30 New
            +6
            1. Sugar was made from beets, now from "cubes" (sugar cane)
            2. The grass may not be greener, but it’s tastier for sure. And at 224 they did not fasten as at 228. And there was no spice-type bucket.
            3. For women I will not say, I prefer Women. They were more decent.
            1. dustycat
              dustycat 30 July 2013 18: 59 New
              +4
              Quote: kavkaz8888
              1. Sugar was made from beets, now from "cubes" (sugar cane)
              2. The grass may not be greener, but it’s tastier for sure. And at 224 they did not fasten as at 228. And there was no spice-type bucket.
              3. For women I will not say, I prefer Women. They were more decent.


              1. 95% of Cuban sugar production went to the USSR. Approximately 20% of the need
              2. Ek what do you remember.
              3. In the USSR there were girls, women and citizens.
      4. kavkaz8888
        kavkaz8888 30 July 2013 14: 22 New
        +4
        And if, God forbid, you exceed the plan? Next quarter you’ll get a bigger plan, given overfulfilment. A double-edged wand.
        I plus, by the way.
        1. dustycat
          dustycat 30 July 2013 19: 01 New
          +2
          Quote: kavkaz8888
          And if, God forbid, you exceed the plan? Next quarter you’ll get a bigger plan, given overfulfilment. A double-edged wand.

          But this nonsense began in the late 1950s ..
          Just to report to the date.
      5. as2604
        as2604 30 July 2013 16: 25 New
        +4
        So it is more to the mentality of people, and not to industry. As leaders have established work, they are doing it, for whom everything is on schedule, and for whom, according to the emergency,
      6. cherkas.oe
        cherkas.oe 30 July 2013 21: 55 New
        0
        Quote: aksakal
        who said this is bad? I DO NOT SPEAK THIS!

        Well, and ulcer You are Saksaul. + yes
    3. kavkaz8888
      kavkaz8888 30 July 2013 14: 16 New
      +6
      Stalin and Beria were remembered in the subject. Let's imagine a similar situation with shipbuilding in their time. It's very simple: "Have you had 132 cases of equipment failure? Article 58 part 2 (I think I remembered correctly) you will receive.
      And equally, the father-in-law's ace is a trump card. In Siberia, to rake the snow.
      And the little guy next to the shovel.
    4. alone
      alone 30 July 2013 14: 21 New
      +6
      Russia’s trouble is that it talks about the army and the navy, gives “smart” advice to Korotchenko, who did not serve a single day at all. it’s necessary to drive such experts to the neck
      1. Natalia
        Natalia 30 July 2013 14: 38 New
        +4
        Quote: lonely
        trouble россии is that about the army

        Russia - is written with a BIG capital ... if that. I do not quibble just this elementary manifestation of respect. wink
        Best regards hi
      2. dustycat
        dustycat 30 July 2013 19: 05 New
        +2
        Quote: lonely
        Russia’s trouble is that about the army and the fleet it is reasoning, giving “smart” advice to Korotchenko, who did not serve a single day at all. it’s necessary to drive such experts to the neck

        Or maybe they just allow to be elected to deputies and official positions to be arranged only for those who are urgent or even have served without complaints?
        And then no matter how you take the "effective manager" - either slanted or paid off.
        1. alone
          alone 30 July 2013 22: 57 New
          +1
          those who haven’t served us are not allowed to enter the civil service
  4. Valery Neonov
    Valery Neonov 30 July 2013 07: 13 New
    +7
    Quote: serge-68-68
    And also complete irresponsibility ...

    Until they introduce PERSONAL RESPONSIBILITY for the work done, there will be no sense. hi
    1. kavkaz8888
      kavkaz8888 30 July 2013 14: 31 New
      +3
      Personal, with confiscation.
  5. an-sar
    an-sar 30 July 2013 07: 55 New
    +5
    These are the "heroes" of our time! Destroyed science, production, medicine and education! Vladimir Vladimirovich is a rake on which you need to step!
    1. dustycat
      dustycat 30 July 2013 19: 07 New
      +3
      Quote: an-sar
      These are the "heroes" of our time! Destroyed science, production, medicine and education! Vladimir Vladimirovich is a rake on which you need to step!

      So he already walks on them the third circle ... Or the fourth ...
  6. ed65b
    ed65b 30 July 2013 09: 11 New
    14
    Well, the president said, now the marsh trolls will conquer. All sold, All drank. Correctly pointed out errors let tightened optimize. Although what is there to optimize? it is necessary to restore the system run-in for years in the USSR. There is nothing to invent here.
    1. Karabin
      Karabin 30 July 2013 14: 54 New
      +2
      Quote: ed65b
      it is necessary to restore the system run-in for years in the USSR.

      Did Putin say that?
  7. koosss
    koosss 30 July 2013 09: 13 New
    +7
    "... the president gave total six months to solve problems between the military and industry "
    Stalin would have given 24 hours, and what is most funny, everything would have been decided yes
    1. AleksUkr
      AleksUkr 30 July 2013 10: 02 New
      +9
      As the question is posed, such is the answer to it. THE RULE OF A COMMANDER CONFIDENTED IN YOURSELF IS TO PUT A TASK TO 100% be sure of the possibility of its EXECUTION. OUR HEADS DO NOT KNOW THIS RULE. Therefore, they constantly step on the same rake ... Especially in brevity ... For any question - a reasoned ANSWER!
    2. Botanologist
      Botanologist 30 July 2013 13: 07 New
      +7
      Quote: koosss
      Stalin would give 24 hours


      Stalin would have given 24 of the year, not only to eliminate deficiencies, but to rethink the attitude to the state defense order.
    3. Know-nothing
      Know-nothing 30 July 2013 15: 57 New
      +6
      From the minutes No.5 of the meeting of the Main Naval Council of 13 on July 1951
    4. dustycat
      dustycat 30 July 2013 19: 08 New
      +2
      Quote: koosss
      "... the president gave total six months to solve problems between the military and industry "
      Stalin would have given 24 hours, and what is most funny, everything would have been decided yes

      Hmm ... Until the fall of one to two months ...
      It was a deadline the week before last.
      Now comes out six months ..
      What is the next term? Putin's next election?
  8. Standard Oil
    Standard Oil 30 July 2013 09: 13 New
    +4
    It’s interesting, but Serdyukov sleeps normally at night? Personally, I don’t understand how you can live knowing that you robbed your country of not even millions, billions of rubles, how many thieves were tsarist officials and ministers, but they are just like children compared to forgive this colossus, okay, the damned communists were selling valuables to the west, but they were not building villas for themselves, but factories with schools. It seems to me that Serdyukov is trying to compensate for his deeply ill person both physically and mentally and with his ugliness with luxury and exorbitant amount of money. I am glad that it simply cannot be worse, it can only be better.
    1. AleksUkr
      AleksUkr 30 July 2013 10: 04 New
      12
      ALL THE BEING TESTED HIM: against thefts, but he could not steal.
      1. Natalia
        Natalia 30 July 2013 10: 30 New
        12
        Quote: AleksUkr
        ALL THE BEING TESTED HIM: against thefts, but he could not steal.

        Quote: Standard Oil
        Interestingly, does Serdyukov sleep normally at night?

        And you noticed yes, the hype around Serdyukov so smoothly faded away. They told him to hide in a hole in his nose and don’t stick it out, but let the press say so that they don’t write about you ... well, so, slowly, everything will be silent and silent, after a year everyone will be purple who Serdyukov is and what he did (or did not).
        Properly hushed up this thing.
        1. Very old
          Very old 30 July 2013 12: 52 New
          +1
          Serdyuchka will answer, like Ryzhik. More courts are coming, and the whole country will hear these names more than once. A dirty little thing will pop up. So many troubles of my ARMY - will I forget?
          1. Karabin
            Karabin 30 July 2013 15: 02 New
            +4
            request
            Quote: Old very
            More courts are coming

            You, Old, will probably not be caught.
            1. kush62
              kush62 30 July 2013 16: 10 New
              +4
              Quote: You, Old, very probably will not find.

              It’s worth living for this !!!!
            2. Very old
              Very old 30 July 2013 21: 05 New
              +1
              Lend one of four, don't miss
        2. Russ69
          Russ69 30 July 2013 13: 38 New
          +3
          Quote: Natalia
          And you noticed yes, the hype around Serdyukov so smoothly faded away.

          Today there was a message about a search of his son-in-law.
          Yes, and what to write about every day? In what boutiques did Vasilieva check in?
          There will be something new to say, one way or another.
      2. military
        military 30 July 2013 10: 45 New
        +5
        Quote: AleksUkr
        ALL THE BEING TESTED HIM: against thefts, but he could not steal.

        well, the character of Ilf and Petrov was, at least, “ashamed” ... which cannot be said about this hog ... request
    2. military
      military 30 July 2013 11: 05 New
      +2
      Quote: Standard Oil
      One thing pleases that it simply cannot be worse, it can only be better.

      pessimist: "-It can't be any worse! ..."
      optimist: "-Maybe it can! ..."
      laughing
    3. valokordin
      valokordin 30 July 2013 14: 12 New
      +3
      Quote: Standard Oil
      Interestingly, does Serdyukov sleep normally at night?

      A real male doesn’t sit at night, but walks Lena, a disabled invalid.
      1. alone
        alone 30 July 2013 14: 23 New
        +6
        do you think Serdyuk all ate one?))) this does not happen
        1. military
          military 30 July 2013 16: 10 New
          +3
          Quote: lonely
          do you think Serdyuk all ate one?))) this does not happen

          in this "watermelon", which they drank from the state bakhchi, everyone had their own tidbit ... commensurate with his social status ... and the piece of stool was clearly not the biggest and juiciest ...

          both on!... belay something Icelandic flag attached to me? ...
          1. alone
            alone 30 July 2013 23: 02 New
            0
            maybe you are at the same time as a heart !! and fled to Iceland already? wassat
            1. military
              military 1 August 2013 11: 37 New
              0
              warm * opu on geysers? ... tempting ... winked but this is not my case ... laughing
  9. Karabin
    Karabin 30 July 2013 09: 25 New
    12
    Vladimir Putin demanded to streamline the schedule for the transfer of the latest ships to the Navy, as well as speed up the preparation of coastal infrastructure.

    Dmitry Rogozin said that the president gave only six months to solve problems between the military and industry.

    Now remember:
    - Putin about the problems of housing and communal services since 2002; streamline, speed up, prevent tariff increases. The results are known, tariff increases, theft, an increase in housing and communal services millionaires, winter utility disasters, and 70% worn-out infrastructure.
    - Putin at a meeting with power engineers. Dissection of problems of similar utilities. The results are the same.
    - Pre-election lightnings for intermediaries in the defense industry. A year and a half passed, the problem was not even going to be solved.
    Why would the problems between the military and industry be solved within six months? An empty chatter, there are no prerequisites for this. Resetting the functions of managing the economy of strategic industries from the state is a deliberate policy of the Russian authorities since 1992. The Putin period is no exception. The creation of united corporations, seemingly with a controlling stake in the state, is actually a feeder for clan groups. State corporations, in fact, are built on public-private partnerships, and the state turned out to be a junior partner. Any attempts to deploy this system run into the financial interests of specific people and groups. You need to chop it alive, but this is not Putin's method.
    1. military
      military 30 July 2013 10: 57 New
      +5
      Quote: Karabin
      You need to chop it alive, but this is not Putin's method.

      when you try to "cut down" this very "lively" thing will start to stink and heartily vote on the most intimate topics ... but the topics are different and affect different echelons of power ...
      1. dustycat
        dustycat 30 July 2013 19: 16 New
        +1
        Quote: military
        Quote: Karabin
        You need to chop it alive, but this is not Putin's method.

        when you try to "cut down" this very "lively" thing will start to stink and heartily vote on the most intimate topics ... but the topics are different and affect different echelons of power ...

        Duc is how to chop.
        If you first chop off the tails then stinker will be healthy.
        And if you chop off your head right away, then the tail may not even understand what it was by the time it dries.
  10. MIKHAN
    MIKHAN 30 July 2013 09: 25 New
    +3
    Well, let's hope that everything will be delivered to the fleet efficiently and on time ..
    1. AleksUkr
      AleksUkr 30 July 2013 10: 28 New
      +3
      HOPE DIES LAST! BELIEVE, Believe, believe ... ve ... b
    2. Karabin
      Karabin 30 July 2013 13: 04 New
      +3
      Quote: MIKHAN
      and on time ..

      in the fourth presidential.
  11. erased
    erased 30 July 2013 10: 19 New
    +7
    The collapse of the military-industrial complex began under Yeltsin. But continued under Putin. And this applies not only to the Navy. And now it's too late to make noise, everything is ruined. There are no personnel, machines are outdated, the production base is destroyed.
    And now someone menacingly frowns bossy eyebrows - wai, how so ?! Reap the fruits!
    1. Gato
      Gato 30 July 2013 11: 07 New
      +7
      Quote: erased
      The collapse of the military-industrial complex began under Yeltsin.

      The collapse of the military-industrial complex began under Hunchback - a witness to that. And under EBNe he reached its climax.
      No frames
      . And that's it. And for six months they can’t be prepared. And for 2, and for 5. For 10 - maybe. And here you can frown as you like, chop heads, swell billions - this will not help.
      1. military
        military 30 July 2013 13: 24 New
        +5
        Quote: Gato
        The collapse of the military-industrial complex began under Hunchback - a witness to that. And under EBNe he reached its climax.

        about the apogee of the collapse of the defense industry, the question is debatable ... not the fact that it has been passed ... but the apogee of corruption was reached after Bori left ...
    2. Strashila
      Strashila 30 July 2013 13: 09 New
      +4
      Under Yeltsin, a government decree prohibited the supply of materials and components from abroad to the military-industrial complex. and in the early 90's this was monitored, there were specific difficulties with supplies due to the collapse of the USSR and the State Planning Commission. The military envoys were up to the stars, take it out and put it down, as it was during the USSR. They removed all the warehouses and scrapped all the grades of stocks at the plants adjacent to them.
      1. military
        military 30 July 2013 13: 36 New
        +4
        Quote: Strashila
        Under Yeltsin, a government decree prohibited the supply of materials and components from abroad to the military-industrial complex. and in the early 90's this was monitored, there were specific difficulties with supplies due to the collapse of the USSR and the State Planning Commission. The military envoys were up to the stars, take it out and put it down, as it was during the USSR. They removed all the warehouses and scrapped all the grades of stocks at the plants adjacent to them.

        yes, really ... the "second suppliers" at that time welded well on illiquid assets and scrap from the secondary market ... repeat
        however, in fairness it should be noted that the quality of most ERI of domestic production of category "5" often even today significantly loses to foreign analogues of the category "industrial", not to mention the categories of "military" or "space" ...
        True, with the abolition of PMO-41 and RDV (.035) and the release of the corresponding document under the auspices of the newly formed military-industrial complex, the mess and misunderstandings in the application of imported electronic components only intensified ... request
  12. Mikhail3
    Mikhail3 30 July 2013 11: 17 New
    11
    To ensure that the quality has shifted upwards, machines are needed. Huge investments are needed, and not in bank accounts over the hill, but in equipment. What is the obstacle to the motivation of those who are responsible for this. Who replaced the Soviet directors (who had successfully collapsed all the work by then)? These were the bandits. Bandits are actively plundering everything they reach, converting values ​​exclusively into their "sweet life" as a goal. Why? Because the purpose of the bandit’s life is clear, and reflections like “why do I live on earth” do not torment him. The gangster lives on earth in order to eat, drink and fuck everything in the world as much as possible before he is killed. Any concern about the production that has taken place is not just alien to the bandit, but dangerous - what kind of crumbs does he allot for his safety, but what if he doesn’t have enough ?!
    Now it seems that the bandit will be replaced again by officials, such as the USSR 2. Good? It’s as if ... The official’s life goal is the same, he just doesn’t agree to be killed, therefore he moves with weapons exclusively in helicopters, with a company of people shooting at 10 unarmed moose. And all the same, the official’s production is not at all interesting. At least this is so in the current coordinate system - if the rank is correctly entered by the superior, let all this production at least burn with fire! The more he brought in, the more invulnerable. What kind of work is there, what quality? There is no money for it! Everything is listed "who needs it."
    What Serdyukov unsinkable? Because in the first place he regularly shared, and in the second - to whom did he fuse palaces, lands and other real estate for nothing? Well now, these "honest people" will also have to be planted ?! Where are there ... "Not 37y year"? Oh well...
  13. knn54
    knn54 30 July 2013 12: 40 New
    +3
    We are in OPPOSITE extremes: non-interference where the normal state should intervene (prices, salaries, quality), avoiding social programs, “tolerance” instead of ideology. And the electoral "democracy", jurisprudence. What to do, everyone knows. And one in the field (GDP) is not a warrior.
    Without radical measures ALREADY nothing can be fixed. Without the Eradication of corruption and nepotism, nothing will move.
    1. military
      military 30 July 2013 13: 46 New
      +7
      Quote: knn54
      And one in the field (GDP) is not a warrior.

      especially when this "lone warrior" from the same camp with those with whom the war is planned ...
  14. Strashila
    Strashila 30 July 2013 13: 03 New
    +2
    Low quality ... what a question ... it makes us related to the Americans; they periodically arise from them ... and the answer is simple ... Chinese comrades, they are the main suppliers of disposable products, even in mechanical engineering. Theft at all stages, regardless of the security of the state and feelings of self-preservation.
    1. dustycat
      dustycat 30 July 2013 19: 23 New
      +1
      Quote: Strashila
      Low quality ... what a question ... it makes us related to the Americans; they periodically arise from them ... and the answer is simple ... Chinese comrades, they are the main suppliers of disposable products, even in mechanical engineering.

      You don’t know how to bargain with the Chinese ..
      Yes, and generally did not bargain apparently ..
      They have an interesting phrase when you start to get involved, "Chiba is the idle product nada ?! Sisyas!"
      And they bring. For the same price, but what they buy for themselves.
  15. JonnyT
    JonnyT 30 July 2013 13: 39 New
    +4
    Branches are guaranteed to be helped by splintered scrap in the ass for executives!

    And where is he, where is this omnipotent mythical "effective management" wassat 650 contractors - well, very effective in terms of process control. It’s like when I was in the north there, too, during the construction of 15 compressor stations, the piles were scored! Some drigum overshadowed, others leased, others mortgaged on credit, etc. and the 10 hard workers piled on old equipment))) Here the same thing - everyone wants money, but no one takes responsibility and everything is clean according to the documents - you will not complain)))

    It is necessary to identify parasites and remove them from the process. Introduce personal responsibility, clearly control finances, so that for every penny they are accountable, if something went to a corporatist in the Maldives - send for team building in the taiga, for a collective logging!
  16. pensioner
    pensioner 30 July 2013 13: 39 New
    +4
    Quote: koosss
    Stalin would have given 24 hours, and what is most funny, everything would have been decided

    Yes, it does not work out in 24 hours. At six months, they will definitely not meet the entire action plan. But what they started is already good. The problem of structural adjustment of production will be compounded by the fact that right now there is a massive re-equipment of enterprises on a new production base. She still needs to be mastered ...
    1. dustycat
      dustycat 30 July 2013 19: 26 New
      0
      Quote: retired
      The problem of structural adjustment of production will be compounded by the fact that right now there is a massive re-equipment of enterprises on a new production base. She still needs to be mastered ...

      Chibo Chibo started? What to master?
      And by whom ?! Victims of the exam ?!
      1. pensioner
        pensioner 30 July 2013 20: 13 New
        0
        I know what I'm talking about.
  17. Ross
    Ross 30 July 2013 13: 56 New
    +2
    Quote: Nayhas
    Quote: Ross
    We’re building the sixth boat in a series, and we’ll “master” the money from the seventh, for which only metal is cut.

    Eugene, YOUR comment will not be noticed, because it contradicts the thesis that all the problems of the military-industrial complex are due to the “damned 90's”.


    Do you think something has changed in our modern production besides the form of ownership?
  18. Monster_Fat
    Monster_Fat 30 July 2013 14: 16 New
    +7
    There is no one to work with us. Everything is already divided between different types of ghouls that can, except that "cut the loot." Those few executives-business executives who have remained somewhere else from the Soviet era at very few enterprises, so to speak "stuck" to their production, eke out a miserable existence and they are not accepted into the "circle of chosen" performers of statehood, they did not come out in the face. In order to really boost the economy, it is necessary to completely change the existing system of Kumov-oligarchic capitalism to popular capitalism or socialism or communism-shit, what to call it, but so that the government would not rely on its godfathers, acquaintances, close associates, but on the majority of the people. But the GDP does not, and will not, because he distanced himself from the people of his country. He doesn’t need the people, he has repeatedly said that he won’t be like the Russians, the others will live here — Chinese, Uzbeks, etc. They don't give a damn if they only served in the police, army, and served the pipe. GDP does not deal with domestic politics and economics at all - it is engaged in its own PR and, moreover, PR directed to the West. Exactly what he reads in the Western media about himself as an alpha male, the leader of the Earth, the new Stalin, brings him great satisfaction, and he does not give a damn about what the people of Russia think and say about him. In order to change something, we need reliance on those who will help make these changes and this reliance should be as wide as possible, include, as far as possible, deeper and wider layers in society .... But GDP everywhere relies on a narrow layer their friends. He does not want people near him, he is afraid of him and despises.
  19. alone
    alone 30 July 2013 14: 25 New
    +3
    in general, it’s smart that he came up with a tender))) whoever gives more bribes will receive a government order
  20. valokordin
    valokordin 30 July 2013 14: 36 New
    +4
    Quote: Monster_Fat
    But GDP everywhere relies on a narrow layer of acquaintances. He does not want people near him, he is afraid of him and despises.

    We steal everything to the skin
    And let our violins not cry
  21. Volkhov
    Volkhov 30 July 2013 18: 43 New
    +3
    But why are THESE ships at all - for the parade there are Aurora and Kutuzov, for fish surveillance and border guards, and in the war against the real enemy, these troughs like the T-70 against the Tiger themselves can not do anything, but are knocked out from all sides.
    We need a different technique and a different philosophy, and not just more disposable ships - you can’t drive the crew there without a convoy soon.
    They created group science in science, when "serious scientists" hold the topic like market thugs - he checked it himself, was very surprised when the professor and his close ones discussed "what the opponent is pounding at ..." they do as they like, and the gap is ten years behind technology turns ships into blind targets, only with people.
    With the help of deception and "secrecy" their own population is defeated, but the fleet is not needed here, cops and bandits cope, drown in the swamps, why take a long time to build a submarine or a cruiser and drown in the ocean ...
    We need to show the situation and look for a collective solution, and not rely on a handful of secret scammers who, by the way of thinking, are unsuitable for war.
    1. alone
      alone 30 July 2013 23: 08 New
      +1
      after reading the article I remembered Gorbachev’s speeches)))) many words, no specifics
  22. alex20081308
    alex20081308 31 July 2013 07: 49 New
    +1
    Everything reminds me of the 30s and the Stalin article = Dizziness from success =. Well, very similar.
    1. sashka
      sashka 31 July 2013 08: 03 New
      +3
      Quote: alex20081308
      Everything reminds me of the 30s and the Stalin article = Dizziness from success =. Well, very similar.

      A Putinism recalls nothing E? "
  23. Ross
    Ross 31 July 2013 15: 12 New
    +1
    Quote: Monster_Fat
    Monster_Fat NO Yesterday, 14: 16

    There is no one to work with us. Everything is already divided between different types of ghouls that can, except that "cut the loot." Those few business executives who have remained somewhere from Soviet times at very few enterprises, so to speak "stuck" to their production, eke out a miserable existence and they are not accepted into the "circle of elected" performers of statehood, they did not come out in the face. To really boost the economy, it is necessary to completely change the existing system of Kumov-oligarchic capitalism to popular capitalism or socialism or communism-shit,


    Well, the "state enterprise" cannot coexist normally in the midst of capitalism. There will always be a temptation to steal the leadership, as well as the entire supply chain. In Soviet times, there were bad times, but there was universal condemnation of this phenomenon and the protection of factories caught. And now workers always blame the "big" thieves in the manual for their complacency.
  24. Ross
    Ross 31 July 2013 15: 24 New
    +2
    About the quality. If the quality control department has practically reduced the enterprises themselves for the "economic" uselessness, and Serdyukov has canceled the state acceptance, then who will check the quality? At the end of the 80s, welders of the 6 (!!!!) category were still met at the Admiralty Association, while there was a maximum 3 category in Severodvinsk, therefore there were frequent business trips of the Admiralty to Severodvinsk enterprises. And in the Far East, local workers generally had poor qualifications.
    Therefore, at the Admiralty OTK and Military Acceptance sometimes the masters themselves trusted to check the quality (in general, the qualifications of the workers were very high). But from the beginning of the 90's, with Gorbachev's self-financing, the mass departure of specialists from the plant to peaceful ownership began, as a skilled welder-virtuoso was always worth its weight in gold, and here private business also began. The question is, with what personnel is our shipbuilding now, after 20 years of devastation? Where does quality come from?
  25. michajlo
    michajlo 1 August 2013 17: 44 New
    0
    Quote: Monster_Fat
    There is no one to work with us. Everything is already divided between different types of ghouls that can, except that "cut the loot."
    Those few business executives who have remained somewhere else since Soviet times in very few enterprises, so to speak, "stuck" to their production, eke out a miserable existence and they are not accepted into the "circle of chosen" arbiters of statehood; they did not come out in the face.
    To really boost the economy, it is necessary to completely change the existing system of Kumov-oligarchic capitalism on popular capitalism or socialism or communismm-shit, what to call it but so that the support was in power not on their godfathers, acquaintances, close associates, but on the majority of the people.
    But the GDP does not, and will not, because he distanced himself from the people of his country. He doesn’t need the people, he has repeatedly said that he won’t be like the Russians, the others will live here — Chinese, Uzbeks, etc. They don't give a damn if they only served in the police, army, and served the pipe.
    GDP does not deal with domestic politics and economics at all - it is engaged in its own PR and, moreover, PR directed to the West.
    Exactly what he reads in the Western media about himself as an alpha male, the leader of the Earth, the new Stalin, brings him great satisfaction, and he does not give a damn about what the people of Russia think and say about him.
    In order to change something, we need support for those who will help make these changes and this support should be as wide as possible, include, as much as possible, deeper and wider layers in society ....
    But GDP everywhere relies on a narrow layer of acquaintances. ABOUThe doesn’t want the people near him, he is afraid of him and despises.

    Good day to all!
    I join what has been said. Not in the eyebrow but in the eye!
    But what can we do, how to get the corrupt and arrogant tops to do for the country and the people, and not for their 2nd teal already the 3rd 14-room apartment (an example of Vasilyeva, assistant Serdyukov)?
    Comrade Stalin will not rise from the grave, but if he had suddenly appeared here from the next world, the new government would have instantly shot him to the crematorium, so that he could not be reborn.
    "So horseradish radish is not sweeter!"
    And precious time without war on the territory of Russia is quickly flowing away.