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Russian army on the march in Asia ("The National Interest", USA)

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Russian army on the march in Asia ("The National Interest", USA)Recently, Russia held the largest military exercises after the collapse of the Soviet Union. The plan of the exercises included the transfer of 160 thousand military personnel, as well as 130 aircraft and helicopters of various types to the Eastern Military District. In the maneuvers also took part 70 ships of the Russian Pacific fleetwho recently returned from large-scale naval exercises conducted jointly with the Navy of the People's Liberation Army of China.


Defense Minister Sergei Shoigu said that seven hundred railway platforms and fifty cars were also involved in the exercises. Troops of radiation and chemical protection took part in them, launches of ship-borne missiles were carried out, naval artillery was fired, and a naval rescue operation was conducted.

The fact that the maneuvers were carried out under the direct control and leadership of President Vladimir Putin and Defense Minister Sergei Shoigu, speaks in favor of their significance. In addition, it was a clear signal addressed to a very different foreign audience.

Although Russia claims that the maneuvers were part of normal combat training, their scope suggests that they are designed to demonstrate the military power of modern Russian armed forces, both to her friends and foes.

In the 19 century, Tsar Alexander III said his famous words: "Russia has only two allies: the army and the navy." As in those old tsarist times, today Russia has few allies. Belarus, Ecuador, Syria and Venezuela should not be taken into account.

Therefore, the number and variety of types of armed forces and types of troops - these "true allies" of Mother Russia, continues to grow. These are strategic missile forces, aerospace defense forces, and the most recently emerging cyber-war.

These military maneuvers are a symptom of Putin’s strategic approach under the slogan “Russia is a fortress”. Many experts believe that they were closely watched by China and Japan. These countries received an unequivocal signal on the readiness of the Russian military.

According to the retired officer of the Russian General Staff Konstantin Sivkov, these exercises became an imitation of the Russian response to a possible attack by the United States or Japan.

The theater for maneuvers included Sakhalin and the Kuril Islands, which the Japanese call their “Northern Territories” and which are the subject of a long-standing dispute between Moscow and Tokyo, which refused to sign a peace treaty at the end of World War II.

However, these exercises were also intended to contain China. Although Russia and China maintain close economic ties and actively cooperate in the military sphere, Russia's strategic prospects in the Far East are rather ambiguous. True, Beijing and Moscow recently held joint military exercises in the Sea of ​​Japan, and press reports indicate that Russia is supplying modern Su-35 aircraft to China, and possibly also Lada-class submarines.

But, despite such proximity, the growing military potential of China is a matter of concern for its northern neighbor. The rather weak Russian armed forces may create a temptation for China to try to seize new territories for its ever-increasing population (although this is unlikely in modern international conditions). The fact that China still calls unfair some of its border treaties with Russia from the 19 century, only heightens the anxiety of Moscow.

In 2004, Moscow and Beijing signed a new border treaty providing for the transfer of the Tarabarov island and half of the Big Ussuri Island to China. But Moscow believes that the concessions end there, and that these agreements should not whet China’s appetite and desire to get more Russian land in the future. Alexander Khramchikhin, an independent military analyst from Moscow, notes that the exercises were a “sobering signal” for Beijing, so that he would not even think about any actions against Russia using force.

Getting new territories from a nuclear state will be a long, dangerous and costly business for China. The political goal — to include the Russian Far East in the Chinese sphere of influence — is easier to achieve by means of economic expansion, rather than military aggression. Nevertheless, the Kremlin decided to demonstrate its military readiness - “just in case.” Russia understands that China’s non-nuclear armed forces substantially exceed its own, and continue to evolve and grow. Moscow clearly decided that it would be more profitable for it to step up its military cooperation with Beijing, but preferred to keep the powder dry.

Not only its nuclear arsenal, but also conventional armed forces take part in Russian military exercises. The participation in the maneuvers of one hundred and sixty thousand troops indicates that Moscow is capable of deploying a large group of troops on the Chinese border in a matter of days. It is also possible that this was a rehearsal in case of changes in the situation in Central Asia, when large-scale intervention may be necessary after the withdrawal of NATO troops from there in 2014. In addition, these maneuvers became an exam for the new Defense Minister Sergei Shoigu on the subject of his ability to control the Russian army.

Washington should closely monitor the demonstration of Russian forces, especially due to the fact that the combat capabilities of the Russian armed forces increased significantly after the five-day war with Georgia in 2008. The fact that today the combat readiness of the Russian military is higher than five years ago must be taken into account not only the United States, but also the other member countries of the North Atlantic Alliance.

At present, a military confrontation involving Russia and China, or Russia and the United States is very unlikely. There is hope that the Far East for many decades will not be an arena of military action. Nevertheless, military strategists must prepare even for incredible events, so that we all have the opportunity to reflect on the worst nightmares.

Ariel Cohen is a senior fellow at the Russian and Eurasian Studies Program and International Energy Policy at the Heritage Foundation.
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  1. smart ass
    smart ass 29 July 2013 14: 40 New
    36
    Okay ... blame the Americans ... Russian Vanka will not touch you)))
    1. a52333
      a52333 29 July 2013 14: 59 New
      +6
      Well, of course we won’t touch it. (BDKshek is not enough yet) lol
      1. Furnace driver
        Furnace driver 29 July 2013 16: 38 New
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        Quote: a52333
        BDKshek is not yet enough

        or something to take away from the kids (NATO) toys ... request
        1. kazssr
          kazssr 29 July 2013 20: 40 New
          +5
          the brother-man served in the Far East, so he joked about these uenies "as if they had not missed the target for the missiles and she would not have gone to the other side)))"
          1. Black Colonel
            Black Colonel 30 July 2013 09: 17 New
            +4
            I read once that in one of the Arab countries, militants who were under the influence of Iran captured our diplomatic workers. The special operation was too risky for both the hostages and the participants. It seems that the ambassador to Iran in a friendly conversation with someone from the Iranian leadership, among other things, mentioned that the USSR intends to conduct large-scale exercises in the Caucasus using tactical nuclear weapons. And recently, "targeting precisely these types of nuclear weapons has begun to produce not the results for which calculations and a possible deviation of the launched missiles were very likely. So be prepared just in case."
            As a result, live and healthy diplomats were released.
            1. m.bad.5
              m.bad.5 30 July 2013 15: 26 New
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              This is the logic.
            2. uwzek
              uwzek 30 July 2013 17: 43 New
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              Definitely - this is a joke, but VERY kind ...
            3. DuraLexSedLex.
              DuraLexSedLex. 30 July 2013 21: 58 New
              +2
              It is possible without nuclear weapons ....

              How to fight terrorism ...
              On 18 of April 1983, a Muslim shahid drove a truck loaded with explosives into the building of the US Embassy in Beirut, killing 60 people, including 17 Americans. Six months later, another Muslim shahid attacked the US infantry barracks at Beirut airport, killing 241 US troops.

              On January 18, 1984, an Islamist sniper shot and killed Malcolm Kerr, president of the American University of Beirut. A few months later, the Muslim fundamentalist abducted William Buckley, the commander of the CIA base in Beirut - they tortured him and, in the end, killed him.

              Then followed the next bombings, abductions and killings. American politicians angrily condemned terrorism, but did not reach consensus on anti-terrorism measures that ranged from military intervention to arming potential hostages.


              The Soviet Union did not have such problems. Its leaders were not constrained by any moral standards, were not forced to report to free media or an independent judiciary, due to the lack of such - so they took tough measures, not limited to any ethical considerations.

              Hezbollah launched a small attack on Soviet personnel in Lebanon. After all, their Iranian "godfathers" cursed the unfaithful communists as severely as the Satanic West. But the persecution of the Russians led to an unexpected and abrupt denouement. In his book Hijab, Bob Woodward explained why.

              In the fall of 1985, Hezbollah abducted 4's of Soviet diplomats in Beirut. They killed one of them at once. The rest were held captive.

              In response, the State Security Committee (KGB) captured a relative of the Hezbollah leader. As one of the measures adopted by the anti-terrorist plan, the KGB "castrated him, stuffed the cut off sex glands into his mouth, shot him in the head and sent his body to the Hezbollah terrorist organization. An accompanying text was attached to the corpse explaining that other members of the" God’s Party "would end "in the same way, if three Soviet diplomats are not released."

              Soon after, Hezbollah released the remaining three Soviet hostages. Soviet interests in Lebanon were never threatened again.


              A similar case was another, but there all the dogs involved were torn to shreds, and the movies were distributed to interested people. And according to the Koran - the dog is an unclean animal and after such a death it is impossible to get into the jannah (paradise). More Soviet did not touch.
              1. carbofo
                carbofo 2 August 2013 01: 27 New
                0
                To survive in a cruel world, one had to do infinitely cruel things, even by the standards of the Arabs, so they were afraid of us to death.
                The last thing the terrorists could think of was to attack the Soviet embassy, ​​even with brains stoned by Anasha it was enough not to risk it.
                Legends circulated about the infinite cruelty of the Russians, while we were, in a sense, liberals, we did not touch the local population, did not kill, did not force, did not rob, at least not on the scale that other countries did.
                But as regards conduct in battle, we were second to none.
                By the way, they are still afraid of us.
                1. APASUS
                  APASUS 3 August 2013 19: 16 New
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                  Quote: carbofo
                  By the way, they are still afraid of us.

                  He worked in Finland and saw one joke.
                  Our translator moved around in a convertible and always listened to music while driving, as a rule this is a classic. Pedestrians in Suomi resemble sleepy flies and cross .... to put it mildly, slowly.
                  She quickly realized how to politely push them. She just turned on the music louder in a certain place .......... I WILL KILL YOU BOATER!
                  It worked flawlessly, people just squatted and quickly crossed
            4. alone
              alone 3 August 2013 19: 20 New
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              In Lebanon, the terrorist Imad Mugniy captured 4 Soviet diplomats and point-blanked one of them. Mugniy was the head of the military wing of Hezbollah.
    2. Sakhalininsk
      Sakhalininsk 29 July 2013 16: 54 New
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      Quote: Clever man
      Okay ... blame the Americans ... Russian Vanka will not touch you)))


      This is certainly great, but our army and navy, unfortunately, are still only at the beginning of their journey to recovery after almost two decades of bullying and attempts to destroy.
      The most important thing to remember: "Who comes to us with a sword from a bullet wound in the head hoofs!"
      1. orff
        orff 29 July 2013 17: 22 New
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        the mattresses now have a mega task - to drive a peg of mistrust between Russia and China. We are waiting for the capital tedding of history and the emergence of mossy cross-border Russian-Chinese issues in the American media
        1. starshina78
          starshina78 29 July 2013 20: 19 New
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          I would not be so optimistic in appreciating the friendship with China. Today we are friends, and tomorrow .... Nobody knows what will happen tomorrow. China alone has a larger group of forces near the border with Russia than our entire army, there are about 5 tanks there, and everything else is missing there too. Go to a bookstore somewhere in a Chinese province, and you can buy a little book there about the history of China, which has a map, and on the map China, whose borders extend almost to Magadan, including Primorsky Territory, Khabarovsk Territory, Amur Region, Chita Region, Irkutsk region, part of Kazakhstan and Kyrgyzstan. What is it like ? Fine ? If such a little book is sold in bookstores freely, then the leadership of the Chinese Communist Party knows about the existence of such a little book, and does not prohibit it — this is a bad symptom.
          1. 77bor1973
            77bor1973 29 July 2013 21: 41 New
            +1
            Fear has big eyes! In the words of Frederick the Great-Fight in number and "" will!
          2. Free Island
            Free Island 30 July 2013 06: 12 New
            +4
            books is good, but sometimes you can just stupidly look at the map. The border between China and Russia is not so long that “hordes of Chinese wars” would leak through it) in order to rush to Russia with all their crowds they will have to trample Kazakhstan and Mongolia for this :)))) you need to think, think.
          3. washi
            washi 30 July 2013 13: 06 New
            +1
            Our territory was called "dead land". See China's population density. To the north, the so-called the Chinese Wall, the population is very small (relatively). Connect the Chinese mentality and calm down. They come to us either from great poverty, or on assignment (pay attention to people of military age in the markets).
          4. Corsair5912
            Corsair5912 30 July 2013 13: 28 New
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            Quote: starshina78
            I would not be so optimistic in appreciating the friendship with China. Today we are friends, and tomorrow .... Nobody knows what will happen tomorrow. China has only one force grouping near the border with Russia more than our entire army, there are about 5 thousand tanks there, and everything else is missing there too ..

            It’s good to drive a blizzard. Near which border with Russia does China have a force grouping?
            Almost the entire border of Russia with China passes through impassable mountains and impassable deserts, why the hell to keep a force group there?
        2. AVV
          AVV 29 July 2013 21: 57 New
          +5
          We won’t give an inch of the earth! Not to the Japs, nor to anyone else !!!
          1. APOCALIPTIC
            APOCALIPTIC 30 July 2013 00: 27 New
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            Quote: AVV
            We won’t give an inch of the earth! Not to the Japs, nor to anyone else !!!



            Well, probably already distributed, to the same Chinese, Norwegians lol
            1. tilovaykrisa
              tilovaykrisa 30 July 2013 09: 51 New
              +1
              The Anglo-Saxons also spread everything, all their colonies, now the Scots are breaking away, the Irish will leave, then the Gaster will be dumped back to Poland and the Baltic states, and there is no need for war, the mistress of the seas will become a boarding house for the wretched and infirm, the Islamists will finish the rest, they’ve already started on the streets of Bosko saw.
              1. aviamed90
                aviamed90 30 July 2013 10: 06 New
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                tilovaykrisa

                Do you consider the Far East and Siberia to be our colonies?
                1. tilovaykrisa
                  tilovaykrisa 30 July 2013 11: 11 New
                  -1
                  No, that you, Ermak, are not a colonizer, he is a collector of the Russian land, they colonized and we united laughing The difference in approach.
                  1. aviamed90
                    aviamed90 30 July 2013 11: 51 New
                    +1
                    tilovaykrisa

                    With the same success, the entire territory of the Russian Federation can be considered colonies, except, perhaps, Moscow, Ryazan, Vladimir, Oryol, Tula, Ivanovo, Yaroslavl, Kaluga, Vologda, Novgorod regions!

                    You forget that we proclaimed the FEDERATION, not the EMPIRE!
                    By the way, the USSR also created not an empire, but a UNION. This is proved by the withdrawal from the Union of Baltic countries, etc. in the 90s.
                    Is the difference, hopefully obvious?
                    1. tilovaykrisa
                      tilovaykrisa 30 July 2013 13: 28 New
                      +1
                      I already wrote above that they didn’t colonize, but united, the words Union, Union, Unity does this mean something to you? Read carefully.
                      1. aviamed90
                        aviamed90 30 July 2013 13: 33 New
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                        tilovaykrisa

                        Well then - "what is it about," dear? What are we arguing about?
                2. uwzek
                  uwzek 30 July 2013 20: 33 New
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                  They really are not your colonies, but they were Russian, at one time, and, in many ways, remain now.
                  Do not accept the previous sentence for insulting you (personally, I never thought that when you published your post, you claimed to colonize a good part of the territory of our common state, it’s just that the Russian language is sometimes ambiguous, and I love puns).
                  Exactly everything, besides the ones you listed a little later, officially were Russian colonies. Hardly anyone captured them. Ermak Timofeevich had exactly the same opportunities to capture Siberia as Cortes and his aides conquered South America. Both of these tales are extremely stupid, if you really look at the scale of the occupied territories (the third part of the land, maybe the fourth) and the resources available for these conquistadors (several hundred warriors with arquebus-squeakers, bastard, forgot about penknives and the Christian faith). About Erofei Khabarov I am generally silent. All Siberian cities (Old Russian) are located on the border of the Asian steppe zone, along this path, Genghis supposedly came to us at one time, there was no advancement in this discovery, Russia staked out these territories, like the lands of her wild West - to know what to be, The colonization of Siberia lasted a very long time. Under Peter the colonization of the Urals began. Factories were built, villages were created for peasants who fed the workers. The villages are very large, I have never met such large peasant villages anywhere in Russia (except perhaps the North Caucasian villages), by the number of inhabitants they could give odds to provincial cities of that time. These settlements were surrounded by Cossack villages to protect against nomad raids (the Bashkirs in those days climbed far north) and local aborigines. After all, the Urals were not a desert until the arrival of the Demidovs and others. People lived here. They, unlike the American Indians, not only hunted and wandered, but also smelted iron and copper, and they had temples with cities (although maybe the Indians of America had the same thing, just Cooper did not hear about that). There was local resistance, Russia broke it with its power. But even now, some particularly advanced conspiracy theorists believe that the most dangerous fires in the forests of the Urals and to the east are the result of sabotage of local Indians (after all, they haven’t gone anywhere, they have been killed for the most part - the Indian race is very susceptible to alcohol, on both sides of the ocean It was always forbidden to drink them by the states, by the empire, by the USSR, but they always watered - it’s profitable to get free convertible goods for fur: furs, gold, caviar, etc.
                  This is about the Urals. Russia headed east at sunset of its empire, under Stolypin. Really, referring to Tyumen-Ugra - at the end of the Stalin era, when oil and gas were discovered here ...
                  About the Far East - I’m completely silent. The only attempt to colonize him was the dualized Stalin; he, apparently, had some thoughts about using the territory, organized a man’s base for the Pacific Fleet ...
                  About Russian Australia - Kolyma has nothing to say. There are still some prisoners and guardians (still members of their families and who joined them).
                  Let us try (in relation to Siberia and the Far East) to draw some conclusions. So. There is a local Native American population (this is not because of the theory of racial insufficiency, but because it has not accepted the power of the state for 500 years of cultivation). Aboriginal resistance is not as visible as in the North Caucasus, but the presence of parallel reality is obvious. For example, I am not a fisherman or a hunter, but I traveled a lot. For 51 years of life (take six years to various military trips) in the Urals, I talked to Mansi-Vogul once, drank a bottle of vodka, talked about life - an hour later a joint patrol of the fish-hunting surveillance catches up with us, the Chukchi reported about us that Tagil the men are all in nets and guns (we rafted along the Pelymsky Reserve). Naturally, apart from spinning rods and fishing rods, we had nothing ...
                  1. aviamed90
                    aviamed90 31 July 2013 08: 46 New
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                    uwzek


                    Perhaps you are right.

                    But, in this case, the indigenous people (who actually remained), for example, the Novgorod region have the full right to call the indigenous people of the Moscow region (who also did not remain) occupiers and invaders!
                    Isn’t that so, historically?

                    From this point of view, ANY developed country of the world can be called both a colonialist and a colony. Everything happened in history!
                    And in general, what is a colony?
                    “A colony is a dependent territory under the authority of a foreign state (metropolis), without independent political and economic power, governed by a special regime. Often, a colonial regime does not provide citizens with the rights of the population of a controlled territory comparable to the rights of citizens of the metropolis. At the same time, citizens of the metropolis enjoy greater power and privileges in the colonial territories compared with the indigenous population. " (CPSU).

                    There are even signs of a colony (ibid.).

                    But there is also the concept of autonomy.
                    “Autonomy should not be confused with a colony, although many modern autonomies have arisen in the territories of the former colonies. However, autonomy is the main territory of a unitary state, whose citizens have the right to broad self-government (equal to the self-government of subjects of federal states) and at the same time are citizens of that state, whose territory is autonomy.In fact, the inhabitants of the autonomy have wider civil rights than the inhabitants of the colony, since they have the full scope of the rights of a citizen of the state in addition, the rights arising from self-government.The constitution of the state, the territory of which it is (the status of autonomy is usually prescribed at the constitutional level), fully operates on the territory of autonomy, national legislation applies to the extent that does not contradict local legislation, and the right to regulate specific areas of activity its legislation depends on the status of specific autonomy in a particular state. " (CPSU).

                    Perhaps Siberia and the Far East were colonies, but now they can rightfully be called autonomies.

                    In addition, we use the term uniting us - "Russian people" (earlier or later - "Soviet people"). Bearing in mind ALL the people of the country. Do we contrast one people with another and single out one of them as the main one?
                    And what is most interesting: in the Russian Federation, anyone has his own statehood (a republic within the Russian Federation), but not Russian.

                    What are we colonizers in?
            2. washi
              washi 30 July 2013 13: 16 New
              0
              Squandered: Gorbachev, Yeltsin, Medvedev, Lenin + Catherine 2 (inheritance of her husband Holstein and Schleswig (Kiel Canal) and East Prussia) + Alexander 2 (inheritance of his father - Malta)
              1. uwzek
                uwzek 30 July 2013 20: 40 New
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                Sorry for not getting on Wikipedia, but the Holstein people, in my opinion, were all the Romanovs, not just Peter 3, and Malta became the estate of Grandfather Alexander 2. I could be wrong ...
          2. aviamed90
            aviamed90 30 July 2013 10: 00 New
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            AVV

            Already given! ... Even the author acknowledges this as an indisputable fact. Read carefully.

            Quote from the article:
            "In 2004, Moscow and Beijing signed a new border treaty providing for the transfer to China of Tarabarov Island and half of Bolshoi Ussuriysky Island."
            1. washi
              washi 30 July 2013 13: 23 New
              +1
              Even with EBN, they signed an agreement on the demarcation of the border with China. After its holding, an agreement was signed. China also gave, but in small things. The problem is that the rivers are changing the channels, especially if you help them (the scandal around Tuzla).
          3. washi
            washi 30 July 2013 13: 07 New
            0
            Solid slogans. But how to do it? Here you need to think.
        3. politruk419
          politruk419 30 July 2013 04: 07 New
          +5
          SW Ariel has to intensively masturbate on the hypothetical possibility of a military conflict between the Russian Federation and China. Like all the State Department Pentagon analysts part-time. And where to go to the poor man in the service of the drain tank of the Republican Party of the US magazine "National Interest". The sweet days of the stupid but determined Reagan passed like smoke from white apples. Today in power Pindo-Gorbi - Barack Husseinich Obamov. Iplan is rare, but there is one. The adversaries got into democracy. Now they’re quieting in the press.
          But here you guys are not Libya. Here you can snatch an otter on rrrraz!
          Conclusion: nefig read any garbage. Brains will be cleaner. Ariel and his "analyzes" are a fat minus. Send to Satanovsky for retraining.
      2. Blackgrifon
        Blackgrifon 29 July 2013 20: 12 New
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        Quote: Sakhalininets
        This is certainly great, but our army and navy, unfortunately, are still only at the beginning of their journey to recovery after almost two decades of bullying and attempts to destroy.


        And this despite the fact that it is still very, very far to full recovery - 2 generations have grown up in the country, for whom military service and, simply, military personnel are "not creative", etc. When the officer’s uniform and the soldier’s service will again cause respect from the side of the inhabitants and pride among the military personnel - only then can it be said that our long-suffering country has recovered.
        1. washi
          washi 30 July 2013 16: 37 New
          +2
          And let's instead of stupid earning dough, "rest" in front of a TV or computer, (for young people - in the club) to educate children. Moreover, not only their own.
          The school is always ready to accept a man for a lesson, or out of class work. In the yard, why just talk about “gadgets” and electronic toys? Can sit with them and tell what were and are (they can be even cooler) fighters in our army and how do the toys differ from reality? More adults can be interested in history (Starting stupidly, I bet).
          I'm slowly getting it. And you?
          Remember Your childhood. Teach the children the bad. This bad is necessary in Survival.
      3. Free Island
        Free Island 30 July 2013 06: 16 New
        +2
        yes .. if you also take into account that this year only 700 people left our bump this year from the spring draft in the Russian army :)))) but what kind!)))) all the khan!)))
        ps hello countryman))
      4. Ejik_026
        Ejik_026 30 July 2013 10: 05 New
        +1
        I would speak more generally:
        "will die from a high metal content in the body"
        :)
      5. Corsair5912
        Corsair5912 31 July 2013 08: 52 New
        0
        Quote: Sakhalininets


        The most important thing to remember: "Who comes to us with a sword from a bullet wound in the head hoofs!"

        The price of freedom is constant vigilance and a warning shot to the head.
    3. Civil
      Civil 29 July 2013 17: 20 New
      0
      If you still did not pinch the Internet, everything would be ok.
    4. Geisenberg
      Geisenberg 29 July 2013 19: 50 New
      +2
      Quote: Clever man
      Okay ... blame the Americans ... Russian Vanka will not touch you)))


      Let piss laughing Vanka will not touch
      1. APOCALIPTIC
        APOCALIPTIC 30 July 2013 00: 31 New
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        Quote: Geisenberg
        Quote: Clever man
        Okay ... blame the Americans ... Russian Vanka will not touch you)))


        Let piss laughing Vanka will not touch


        Merikos probably piss with laughter from such a statement bully
        1. Revolver
          Revolver 30 July 2013 04: 04 New
          -3
          Quote: APOCALIPTIC
          Quote: Geisenberg
          Quote: Clever man
          Okay ... blame the Americans ... Russian Vanka will not touch you)))


          Let piss laughing Vanka will not touch


          Merikos probably piss with laughter from such a statement bully

          Piss. But not from fear or laughter, but from Warsteiner. Beer is German. drinks
    5. Ruslan_F38
      Ruslan_F38 29 July 2013 22: 22 New
      +7
      “Russia's rather weak armed forces may tempt China to try to seize new territories” - a rather controversial statement, I would not advise anyone to test the strength of our armed forces - the consequences will be sad for the “reviewers”.

      “The fact that the Russian military’s combat readiness is higher than five years ago must be considered not only by the United States, but also by other member countries of the North Atlantic Alliance.” - But it’s worth remembering to everyone!
    6. SOKOL777
      SOKOL777 29 July 2013 23: 00 New
      +1
      Okay ... blame the Americans ... Russian Vanka will not touch you))) No, until it touches ... Bye ...
    7. Siberian German
      Siberian German 30 July 2013 04: 07 New
      +3
      not funny - I really doubt about the amers - but our brothers' yellow-faced brothers are a serious threat, and given their ability to adapt to everything and everyone, the problem is very big - I mean bribing our bureaucrats otherwise it may be that their the diaspora in the Far East is still a little and compared in size with our population
      1. Egen
        Egen 30 July 2013 05: 45 New
        +1
        Quote: Siberian German
        I mean bribing our bureaucrats

        By the way, here the Chinese are great, they can legally allow enterprises, if I remember correctly, state - 5%, and private - 10% (or vice versa) from their income to spend without any confirmation where they went - i.e. in our opinion, without a report to the tax :) A Chinese acquaintance told me that this state itself specially untied the hands of the Chinese to _push_ their goods to foreign markets. Well, if you take into account what China has a huge commodity turnover, and accordingly financial flows, it becomes clear their "economic expansion" :)
        In general, Cohen is not the first time "discovered America" ​​:)
      2. Corsair5912
        Corsair5912 30 July 2013 13: 40 New
        +2
        Quote: Siberian German
        their diaspora in the Far East is still small and will be compared in size with our population

        There are more Chinese in Moscow than in the Far East, the Chinese do not like the Far East, especially Primorye, there are too many Russians, and you can’t drive them with a stick to the north, they don’t like reindeer moss, and nothing grows on permafrost.
  2. Alez
    Alez 29 July 2013 14: 41 New
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    There are many aspects, one of them has a combat-ready army. Only on exercises are realities practiced, possible errors. China, I think it has nothing to do with it.
    1. Blackgrifon
      Blackgrifon 29 July 2013 20: 14 New
      +5
      In the USSR, our army and navy were constantly training - and hazing was less and everyone, civilian and potential enemies, respected it.
  3. hommer
    hommer 29 July 2013 14: 41 New
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    military maneuvers are a symptom of Putin's strategic approach with the slogan "Russia is a fortress." Many experts believe that they were closely watched by China and Japan. These countries received an unambiguous signal about the combat readiness of the Russian military.


    I think the signal turned out to be high-quality, it was read by the recipients and correctly understood.
  4. MIKHAN
    MIKHAN 29 July 2013 14: 46 New
    +7
    As they spoke right away .. Russia is not Yugoslavia and Iraq is not with Libya
  5. serge-68-68
    serge-68-68 29 July 2013 14: 50 New
    28
    Cohen as a whole is quite balanced, usually approaches Russia. And in general, judging by the comments in foreign media, the signal was understood correctly and without unnecessary hysteria. However, lovers of throwing caps at the enemy should remember that the Russian army still needs to resolve many issues so that the Yankees “s. Sali” only hear the word “Russia”.
    1. Corsair
      Corsair 29 July 2013 15: 46 New
      20
      Quote: serge-68-68
      However, lovers of throwing caps at the enemy should remember that the Russian army still needs to resolve many issues so that the Yankees “s. Sali” only hear the word “Russia”.

      ... and more ** were wassat
      1. Basil123
        Basil123 29 July 2013 19: 17 New
        +3
        gay man am girlfriends broke in arms fellow
    2. Nick
      Nick 29 July 2013 20: 33 New
      +3
      Quote: serge-68-68
      However, lovers of throwing caps at the enemy should remember that the Russian army still needs to resolve many issues so that the Yankees “s. Sali” only hear the word “Russia”.

      That's it! Do not calm down!
    3. Corsair5912
      Corsair5912 30 July 2013 13: 51 New
      +2
      The Yankees who saw the Russians in business, and so ccut, much more.
      I caught myself thinking that I would not like to be the target of a Russian tank attack, and even if I were with the whole battalion with support units, we would not be a serious obstacle for these fast-moving armored monsters with red stars. And the matter was not at all in the firepower of Russian combat vehicles ... I saw through binoculars the faces of Russian tankers sitting on the towers of their tanks: in these faces there was absolute certainty of victory over any enemy. And it is stronger than any caliber.
      I would never want the Russians to seriously fight with us. It may be unpatriotic, but I feel that they’ll definitely kick our ass.

      http://www.war.hserpen.ru/2012/03/confessions-lieutenant/
  6. aviamed90
    aviamed90 29 July 2013 14: 53 New
    18
    Yes, do not care that there, "our American partners" analyze themselves!

    The exercises are a necessary and useful test of the Armed Forces after the "reforms" of Serdyukov. And there are a lot of problems.
    Shoigu - well done! Before you change anything, you need to make sure of the real state of things, and not in the tales of the General Staff of the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation about our high combat readiness.

    Now the main thing is that the correct conclusions are made and, finally, the restoration of the army and navy begins.
    1. serge-68-68
      serge-68-68 29 July 2013 15: 00 New
      +5
      Do not spit. The exercises are not only a test of the Armed Forces “in the field”, but also a set of campaigning, propaganda and image-building events, the positive result of which strengthens any army. And serious and calm assessments of foreign analysts for me personally indicate that our army is no longer perceived as a bunch of incomprehensible things, for what it's not clear what.
      1. aviamed90
        aviamed90 29 July 2013 15: 48 New
        +4
        serge-68-68

        Do you offer Americans to campaign?

        But we don’t need to agitate ours - and without agitation everything is clear to tears!
        1. serge-68-68
          serge-68-68 29 July 2013 18: 31 New
          +5
          It is necessary to agitate everyone and always - both ours and theirs. To do this, there is a whole theory with a wide range of tools from "demonstration of the flag - through the demonstration of power - to" soft power ".
      2. Corsair
        Corsair 29 July 2013 15: 51 New
        +4
        Quote: serge-68-68
        And serious and calm assessments of foreign analysts for me personally indicate that our army is no longer perceived as a bunch of incomprehensible things, for what it's not clear what.

        And what’s very important is “what NOT no one knows where! In the sense that Russia has finally approved your meaningful word on the political map of the world good
  7. Starover_Z
    Starover_Z 29 July 2013 14: 57 New
    +6
    The transfer of troops by rail is good and comfortable, but in the pre-war and war periods at such a distance is long and dangerous.
    It turns out that it is necessary to create units of the first degree of readiness not far from dangerous areas, possibly with the involvement of military transport aircraft and the expansion of the railway network.
    1. Bashkaus
      Bashkaus 29 July 2013 16: 42 New
      +4
      Well, the exercises of the Airborne Forces were already taking place when the whole VTA got on the wing. The task was simple, in a matter of hours to take an active battle. This time, as I understand it, we were already training the deployment of the main troops, at the same time we looked at how much time the paratroopers would have to hold on until the main troops arrived. So a little while later, the exercises will begin in a new way, taking into account the shortcomings of the previous ones, etc.
    2. Goldmitro
      Goldmitro 29 July 2013 18: 42 New
      +5
      <<< Starover: it is necessary to create units of the first degree of readiness not far from dangerous areas, possibly with the involvement of military transport aircraft and the expansion of the railway network >>>
      The railway network is very vulnerable in case of aggravation of the situation will be primarily disabled. So all hope for the BTA. It should develop and guarantee the transfer of large formations over long distances with the simultaneous development of all types of aircraft and other military equipment covering, providing such landing operations! BTA is a "long arm", simply necessary for such a huge country as Russia, and effective not only in defense!
      1. aviator_IAS
        aviator_IAS 29 July 2013 19: 26 New
        +4
        Quote: Goldmitro
        The railway network is very vulnerable in case of aggravation of the situation will be primarily disabled. So all hope for the BTA. It should develop and guarantee the transfer of large formations over long distances with the simultaneous development of all types of aircraft and other military equipment covering, providing such landing operations! BTA is a "long arm", simply necessary for such a huge country as Russia, and effective not only in defense!


        Undoubtedly, it is necessary to develop and strengthen BTA, but in terms of volume and tonnage of transported cargo, aviation is still far from railway. So an integrated approach is needed.
        1. Egen
          Egen 30 July 2013 05: 55 New
          +2
          Quote: aviator_IAS
          but in terms of volume and tonnage of transported cargo, aviation is still far from railway

          Duck, guys, here we have from the Urals to Vladik actually one wand, that’s all ... There was an article recently about a scenario of a conflict with the Chinese, where their troops immediately cut the train. Nonsense, why the landing, when we have so many Chinese people living in Siberia that they will pull our railways apart by rail :(
          Hence the conclusion - we still need, and very important, an integrated approach to the protection of communications - both railway and auto (we also have one, in general ...). For this, IMHO is even better to attract not so much the army, which has enough of its tasks, as the police, the Ministry of Emergencies and the same Cossacks, people's squads, to create a mob guard under the Russian Railways, etc. There is, for example, the United States National Guard! It is clear there is different, but still.
          PS by the way, and who knows what there Shoiguysky special forces in the Ministry of Emergencies does? :)
      2. Basil123
        Basil123 29 July 2013 19: 48 New
        +3
        and you saw at what speed the piece of iron is restored, the bomb will get tired
  8. soldier's grandson
    soldier's grandson 29 July 2013 15: 01 New
    +6
    Quote: Clever man
    Okay ... blame the Americans ... Russian Vanka will not touch you)))

    I do not agree with you, why should I not touch them?
    1. Bashkaus
      Bashkaus 29 July 2013 16: 47 New
      +5
      When there is agreement in friends, someone else will get a lyuley!
      (folk wisdom)
      I do not understand that the Slavs did not divide the brothers among themselves, and yet such a beautiful party would leave the alliance of Russia, Belarus and Ukraine with Kazakhstan.
      Independent gathered 2000 tanks on needles to let, and hand out one at a time to school, let high school students frolic in the "NVP" format, any use at least for some reason.
    2. APOCALIPTIC
      APOCALIPTIC 30 July 2013 00: 39 New
      -4
      Quote: soldier's grandson
      Quote: Clever man
      Okay ... blame the Americans ... Russian Vanka will not touch you)))

      I do not agree with you, why should I not touch them?


      but because the trowel is rusty tongue
      1. tilovaykrisa
        tilovaykrisa 30 July 2013 09: 56 New
        +5
        And it says the one who does not have a wheelchair at all? You are forbidden to have a breeder from birth, only inlets laughing
  9. 46bob46
    46bob46 29 July 2013 15: 04 New
    +3
    Belarusians are a weak ally ?! Did they hear about Susanin? ..
    1. matross
      matross 29 July 2013 16: 01 New
      +3
      And do you think Susanin is a Belarusian? laughing
      1. sq
        sq 29 July 2013 16: 58 New
        +9
        During the war, there were many Susanins-Belarusians, the Germans would confirm
        1. Civil
          Civil 29 July 2013 19: 35 New
          +1
          Instincts are needed for movement and not for freezing in defense
      2. Egen
        Egen 30 July 2013 05: 58 New
        -1
        Quote: matRoss
        And Susanin, in your opinion, is a Belarusian

        Alas, Susanin does not roll now, instead of him there is GPS :)
        1. Humen
          Humen 30 July 2013 13: 12 New
          +1
          The best GPS maps. When they rarely fail, the main thing is to be able to read them.
    2. politruk419
      politruk419 30 July 2013 04: 15 New
      +2
      Yeah. I also heard this phrase. Let the Poles be told about this. There, mountains of liquid shit grow in direct proportion to the arrival of modernized SUShes to the base in Lida.
  10. seller trucks
    seller trucks 29 July 2013 15: 05 New
    +6
    It is hoped that the Far East will not be the scene of military operations for many decades.


    a controversial moment, and not only in the Far East, there is also Siberia, which does not give rest to many “partners”, so that you have to keep your ears open, and you’re so relaxing.
  11. knn54
    knn54 29 July 2013 15: 07 New
    +4
    “The combat capabilities of the Russian armed forces have substantially increased after the five-day war with Georgia in 2008.”
    A.K, more careful, please. After all, some may choke on a tie ..
  12. burhan
    burhan 29 July 2013 15: 13 New
    +3
    Quote: 46bob46
    Belarusians are a weak ally ?! Did they hear about Susanin? ..

    Quote: 46bob46
    Belarusians are a weak ally ?! Did they hear about Susanin? ..

    Bravo! smile
  13. Vlad_Mir
    Vlad_Mir 29 July 2013 15: 14 New
    +1
    I do not believe in a war with China. Beijing is too good a target for ballistic missiles!
    1. APOCALIPTIC
      APOCALIPTIC 30 July 2013 00: 41 New
      +1
      Quote: Vlad_Mir
      I do not believe in a war with China. Beijing is too good a target for ballistic missiles!



      and Moscow?
      1. tilovaykrisa
        tilovaykrisa 30 July 2013 09: 58 New
        +1
        Worse than London, it’s just enough next to you to drop what, if not for fear, you will die so rotten water will drown.
      2. washi
        washi 30 July 2013 13: 30 New
        +1
        Well, the crowd of Gaster and a bunch of hamsters will disappear? Production is no longer there. I don’t give a damn, but you?
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    2. Revolver
      Revolver 30 July 2013 04: 15 New
      -1
      Quote: Vlad_Mir
      I do not believe in a war with China. Beijing is too good a target for ballistic missiles!
      Well, exterminate a million or two Chinese people - because they don’t think they have exceeded them for a billion. Only eaters will become less.
      1. tilovaykrisa
        tilovaykrisa 30 July 2013 09: 59 New
        +2
        Let them spend these few millions better on the murder of American soldiers, of whom there are quite a lot in the Asia-Pacific region, and you haven’t bothered us either.
  14. Xroft
    Xroft 29 July 2013 15: 14 New
    +2
    Amer specifically do not mention that China and Iran are now our allies .... And in the future our relations will only come closer.
  15. alone
    alone 29 July 2013 15: 22 New
    12
    China, Iran !! I think it’s not necessary to assert so diligently that China is an ally of Russia. The Chinese themselves would not give up the vastness of Siberia and the Far East. They talked about even during the USSR. Remember the events in Damansk and generally on the borders of the USSR in the late 60s ? Yes, and now the Chinese are holding huge forces on the Russian border, the allies usually don’t do that. Iran, maybe they need you in their difficult situation when the fate of the Iranian axis in the Middle East is decided. Iranians are also painfully cunning. So you can’t rely on 100%
    1. tilovaykrisa
      tilovaykrisa 30 July 2013 11: 12 New
      +1
      Who do you think besides Belarusians and Ukrainians (not Westerners)?
  16. Xroft
    Xroft 29 July 2013 15: 41 New
    +5
    And who can be in our time? In any case, rapprochement with these states is much better than with pro-American Europe, and with liberals of all stripes.
  17. 094711601
    094711601 29 July 2013 15: 42 New
    +6
    Pay attention to careful, balanced and respectful expressions. Nothing, about ten years from now, they will ask permission before writing anything about us! Times change....
  18. sined0707
    sined0707 29 July 2013 15: 49 New
    +9
    I don’t know about Iran, but China is a very vile and cunning animal, you need to be aware that they will surely hit in the back. And in words you can also say that they say "allies." In fact, they saw us in the grave, his shirt is close to the body.
    1. matross
      matross 29 July 2013 16: 27 New
      +3
      Quote: sined0707
      they saw us in a coffin, their own shirt close to the body.

      It seems to me that you are not far from the truth. I would even say that they dream of seeing us in a coffin. Therefore, drawing China into any major conflict, best of all with the USA and Japan, at worst with even India, is categorically in the interests of Russia! Then, in the event of the expected development of events, Russia will already have the opportunity to "hit the mean and cunning animal in the back," as you put it!
    2. sq
      sq 29 July 2013 17: 02 New
      +5
      About the Chinese. I have long read the statement of one historian. The Chinese, as warriors, are weak, but, based on history, they never missed the opportunity to grab what is bad (or guarded).
    3. Fofan
      Fofan 29 July 2013 22: 59 New
      +4
      Quote: sined0707
      I don’t know about Iran, but China is a very vile and cunning animal, you need to be aware that they will surely hit in the back. And in words you can also say that they say "allies." In fact, they saw us in the grave, his shirt is close to the body.

      name at least one country that acts in a different way.
      like an adult, you know how to write, and think in terms of kindergarten. NOBODY will pass by poorly guarded good !!!!
  19. alone
    alone 29 July 2013 15: 58 New
    +7
    they must hope for themselves and for their people !! this is the best ally
  20. NOMADE
    NOMADE 29 July 2013 16: 00 New
    +8
    Quote: lonely
    China, Iran !! I think it’s not necessary to assert so diligently that China is an ally of Russia. The Chinese themselves would not give up the vastness of Siberia and the Far East. They talked about even during the USSR. Remember the events in Damansk and generally on the borders of the USSR in the late 60s ? Yes, and now the Chinese are holding huge forces on the Russian border, the allies usually don’t do that. Iran, maybe they need you in their difficult situation when the fate of the Iranian axis in the Middle East is decided. Iranians are also painfully cunning. So you can’t rely on 100%


    many + to you! Absolutely agree! Let me be minded, but many underestimate China, considering them to be "an ally and partner for centuries" ..., Ala Russia as the "Big Brother". This is even visible among the members of the forum ... ((But somehow, forgetting the lessons of history and the correlation of current reality, in terms of the power of the Chinese economy, and the development of their army, and their human resources. This is a very dangerous "ally", you need an ear with it sharply hold, and not flirt in the form of a frank sale of advanced weapons.If they were trying to rock the boat at the peak of the USSR, then what are we for them now ?? ICBMs, this is not a panacea ..
    1. Bashkaus
      Bashkaus 29 July 2013 17: 24 New
      12
      China really fight to capture the Far East, in principle, is generally not the topic. Tank-dangerous places are two or three by force, close their garbage with nuclear cones a question, Drop troops in the rear of Siberia and Far East aviation? How long without logistic can they fight off mosquitoes? Hiking multimillion columns through hills, taiga and rivers? Well, yes, we’ll meet, we’ll give a drink of compote, we will hand over the “Russian Tourist” badge and back ...
      And the supply they can not see as their ears. There are few roads, the bandwidth is scanty. A pair of counterattacks at the junction stations of northern China reduce ground reinforcements to NO, the Chinese military aviation is still in its infancy, and our air defense is still capable of brushing off the prospect. And so that life would not seem to be honey, to peel a little nuclear weapons on the upper rivers (except for the Amur basin so that we would not become infected) and it's in the hat. After 2 days, China is completely left without potable water. We also look at tickets for viewing how 1.3 lard of the Chinese dies of thirst, raise money better than oil))) At the same time, nuclear weapons will spend as much as they show at the May 9 parade, well, maybe a little more. (I’m silent about the biological weapons and the Chinese distemper).
      Therefore, even if China is at war with us, then personally I would go straight to Moscow at least to the Urals, but through Kazakhstan !!! It's just that this is the only historical path along which you can walk a large amount of technology and people is the Silk Road. Then there is a sense, a blow is struck at the political center, industrial heart and the backbone of our army, decapitating which Siberia and the Far East are becoming a pleasant appendage. I would still be afraid of this if not for “BUT”
      1-joke does not understand the West, led by the United States, and indeed everything, having beaten China for prevention as they say the whole world.
      2-they can not understand this in Russia itself. It’s one thing that someone is trying to recover land from Kusman (albeit an impressive one), another is a warrior rushing to the capital, and this is the “third Russian” with the resulting salvo across China of all that flies and “splits” And what for do the Chinese need it?
      1. 77bor1973
        77bor1973 29 July 2013 22: 31 New
        +2
        I agree with you on all positions. In addition, the Chinese have virtually no army aviation.
      2. Fofan
        Fofan 29 July 2013 22: 57 New
        +3
        Quote: Bashkaus

        2-they can not understand this in Russia itself. It’s one thing that someone is trying to recover land from Kusman (albeit an impressive one), another is a warrior rushing to the capital, and this is the “third Russian” with the resulting salvo across China of all that flies and “splits” And what for do the Chinese need it?

        the only sane person on the forum. the rest of the "geniuses" dream of winning against China in an ordinary war.
      3. Egen
        Egen 30 July 2013 06: 06 New
        +2
        Quote: Bashkaus
        clap a little nuclear weapons on the headwaters ... and it's in the hat. After 2 days, China is completely without potable water.

        Well, still, spend fuel on missiles! :) Everything is much simpler: rivers are not airfields, they cannot be covered by coastal protection ... I think that we have long since developed all sorts of "bird flu" that spread through water :)
        In general, laughter with laughter, but somehow I read a fantastic book where the Americans developed and launched a virus that affects only black and yellow. And everyone died. True, it turned out to them a little sideways, because it struck everyone who had at least one of these races in their ancestors, but there were many of them in our world :)
        1. vaddag1
          vaddag1 30 July 2013 07: 11 New
          +2
          "all kinds of bird flu" is not our method. I understand that it’s difficult to stay “clean”, but one should be proud of victories, and not be ashamed ....
          1. Egen
            Egen 30 July 2013 10: 40 New
            +1
            Quote: vaddag1
            not our method

            Well I said "type" :)
            It is bird flu - I do not know, but I am convinced - that was invented in the West. Of course, we are not a little in this direction, but we developed all kinds of weapons in this direction. Chemical, bacteriological, biological, even entomological (on Wiki; maybe the Colorado potato beetle in our garden already has a war - how did it get to us, hadn't it before ?!)
            If the USSR developed it, then it means they considered the possibility of application. The problem here is mainly in the difficult management of the use process.
            What does the "clean" have to do with it ... The war is generally a dirty business. This is not a knightly tournament :( And what, nuclear weapons are a more “honest” means of war? In some ways, yes, but by and large, no difference is a strategy of non-linear actions. Especially when it comes to the survival of the state and nation, and for example, the Chinese will it’s the survival war - they don’t need “captured hands”, they have nowhere to put them.
            How much can the Russian Federation manage to really mobilize people? Million 5? Well, even 10. It is clear that one can be proud of the victory of 5 or 10 million over 100 million in an open honest battle, but this is already from the realm of fairy tales :( Therefore, IMHO, in this case, it may not be all, but many funds are good .
            I also do not like the "dirt", but what is the alternative? If from me, for example, there’s not much sense in the field, then in sabotage we’ll still shake the old days :)) But anyway, we will not decide with you ...
            1. vaddag1
              vaddag1 30 July 2013 13: 00 New
              +2
              “Weapons” or “Killing Means” are a matter of personal perception. Nuclear weapons, in any case, are intended for the destruction of military force and strategic targets, it is clear that it is not very high-precision - for me it is a "weapon". Chemical, bacteriological, biological, even entomological - hits the weakest and most unprotected - civilians. The direct losses of military, scientists, government agencies and other necessary people will be minimal in comparison with the rest of the population, because they always have means to detect threats, purify water and air, and food from strata. reserve (for the population by the residual sign), the material component remains intact - for me this is a "means of killing."
              We developed, of course (and probably there are), well, in one. most of the above was created before the appearance of nuclear weapons, and in 1. as a retaliatory strike (again, until nuclear weapons appeared), well, working on this topic, you can understand what to expect and whether it is possible to deal with it.
              “What does the thing have to do with it ... The war is generally a dirty business” - I, in principle, agree on everything with you, I only state my view of the moments. Just the point: 1814 — they didn’t burn Paris, 1914 — they didn’t use chlorine and phosgene, 1941 — they didn’t let the wounded and civilians in front of me (I don’t know such facts) - we simply did not have all this “dirt” in us, nature regretted it.
              1. Egen
                Egen 30 July 2013 15: 26 New
                +1
                Quote: vaddag1
                I basically agree with you on everything

                Dear Vadim, hi Yes, and I basically agree with you, I’m only afraid that this (God forbid and 3 * pah) will be a completely different war, and therefore, despite my similar attitude, I look at all this more ... roughly, bluntly, I don’t know what to call, well, you understand :)
                1. vaddag1
                  vaddag1 30 July 2013 16: 25 New
                  +1
                  hi "there will be a completely different war" - the war will be so coca we will make it. It (China) against us does not make sense to use what the conversation is about, but we have enough nuclear weapons. And believe me, I look at this possible scenario no less straightforwardly - 3 hours before me, if without stopping. All hope for 69 otd. a cover brigade standing on the only road from the border, if they do not cover it treacherously — 25 km to the PRC (the other one passes near the Amur Region — they will have to block it) and the S-300 division in the city. They brake for a couple of hours while we are gathering here (border guards, cops, bailiff, and the rest with weapons) so that the families to the west or to the villages have time to leave their relatives. And then everything will be decided as we decide ....... anyway, there is only one option - the taiga, well, until you mobilize there.
  21. Mr. Truth
    Mr. Truth 29 July 2013 16: 06 New
    +7
    Marine coprophage Solomon on his SNAFU blog was hysterical, he believes that we are preparing to kick their ass with China.
    His flawed American imagination probably already imagined how he, lying behind a pebble and shouting all sorts of short phrases, stopped the hordes of Chinese and Russians with a single rifle fire.
    All the same, no matter how much time passes the pathos of the Thin Line in Red / ucp / marpat / multicam / aor / dpm / mtp will never leave the Anglo-Saxons, never ...
    1. vaddag1
      vaddag1 30 July 2013 03: 35 New
      +2
      "Marine coprophage Solomon on his SNAFU blog was hysterical, believes that we are preparing to kick their ass with China," but it would not be bad ...... well, that’s later
      1. Egen
        Egen 30 July 2013 06: 08 New
        -1
        Quote: vaddag1
        it wouldn’t be bad

        Oh yeah ... Charlie Sheen and Red Dawn :) But alas, not those times, the world is ruled by the dollar, not by Soviet ideology :(
        1. vaddag1
          vaddag1 30 July 2013 06: 31 New
          +2
          "Red Dawn" is a gorgeous film, in its first half, the most believable, it is possible (and necessary) to instill patriotism among young people (if you remove the preface where the reasons for the invasion are invented).
          “But alas, not those times” - you know, history develops in a spiral. We had a desire and an opportunity, they only had a desire ....... Not the fact that it will be needed, but it will not hurt to prepare - it will keep us in good shape, they will be in tension
  22. albai
    albai 29 July 2013 16: 07 New
    11
    Despite all sorts of agreements with the PRC on troops 500 km away from the borders and not increasing the grouping of troops in the areas bordering Russia and Central Asia, they are still quietly enlarging and enlarging. At least under the guise of a construction battalion, the whole of the XUAR was flooded, and to give them weapons as two fingers on the asphalt. Yes, you can tell the past teachings they were a bit sober, but only a little. The most two-faced people are Chinese !!! Surprisingly disciplined and well-organized crews of workers in uniform are working on the construction of a road in Kyrgyzstan Bishkek-Torugart (for example, on the border with the PRC), on the construction of a new high-voltage "South-North". But as soon as they become more of the population closer to the lying n.p., they begin to count and control them, immediately buza and conflicts. Only the arrival of riot police immediately tames them. And you immediately understand what will happen if the critical mass is exceeded. In no case should they be trusted. You must smile like them, but hold a large club behind your back. And in the eastern districts to keep a larger number of constantly mobilized rapid reaction forces, with the technology of mass destruction like MLRS and tactical missiles. And carry out technical improvement of all control stations in the territory of the Kyrgyz Republic and the Republic of Tajikistan. No other way. China is always ready to stab in the back. Well, we have known them for a long time.
  23. 46bob46
    46bob46 29 July 2013 16: 13 New
    +8
    Iran is simply a forced ally. Persians were driven back in the 19th century with a 100k1 layout, so they are not the enemy. And China has never waged wars of conquest and nevertheless assemilated or sub-base for itself
    a lot of territories or conquerors starting well, at least from Alexander. They think forward for generations.
    So if not impudently then quiet glanders definitely climb.
    1. Very old
      Very old 29 July 2013 17: 35 New
      +3
      Smiling, pleasing, bowing ... and impersonating
    2. Ducksar
      Ducksar 29 July 2013 18: 02 New
      +3
      already climbed
  24. KazaK Bo
    KazaK Bo 29 July 2013 16: 23 New
    +7
    In the 19th century, Tsar Alexander III said his famous words: “Russia has only two allies: the army and navy

    Everything is right - THE ARMY AND NAVY - OZNIKI, OTHERS - PARTNERS ... And which ones - true or temporary companions - history will judge, show "Who is hu" ... or "Hu is who!"
    In the last 4-5 years, I doubted that this ruler was known to our rulers ... In the last year, with the advent of SHOIGU, I believed that the instructions on the true path reached our new leaders ... Hence the attention to D. Vostok, to large-scale exercises, mobility of our troops ...
    In general, our leaders entered the right path.
  25. Furnace driver
    Furnace driver 29 July 2013 16: 51 New
    +3
    no matter what the Rothschilds armed China with modern weapons through Israel ...
    1. aviator_IAS
      aviator_IAS 29 July 2013 20: 07 New
      +3
      Quote: Oven Driver
      no matter what the Rothschilds armed China with modern weapons through Israel ...


      Well, we also tried with might and main. And before, and now we continue.
  26. Essenger
    Essenger 29 July 2013 17: 56 New
    +8
    The author’s strange logic, writes the Russian Federation has few allies. Mentioned Ecuador, Syria and Venezuela as allies, and who then are the CSTO countries?
    1. alone
      alone 29 July 2013 21: 18 New
      +5
      Well, about OKK, I'll tell you. Well, yes, Kazakhstan, Belarus. As purely geographically and in terms of the strength of its armed forces they can help something. Tajikistan and Kyrgyzstan as a military ally are more of a burden, Armenia is exclusively concerned with the fact that it is trying to oppose Azerbaijan in the Karabakh conflict. if their troops are needed by Russia, they will send a maximum battalion. Assuming the word ally, one must look at those who can at least do something
      1. tilovaykrisa
        tilovaykrisa 29 July 2013 21: 20 New
        +2
        Here is something that tells me that this time Russia will not help Armenia, well, if only with notes of protest and concern.
        1. alone
          alone 29 July 2013 22: 45 New
          0
          and protests should not be. Nagorno-Karabakh is the territory of Azerbaijan, and Chechnya is the territory of Russia. restoration of constitutional order in the territory of their country is the legal right of any state. we are not going to invade Armenia. we don’t need this.
          1. tilovaykrisa
            tilovaykrisa 30 July 2013 09: 49 New
            +2
            Well, we will protest, and we have every right, we do not like when our former fellow citizens kill each other, regardless of the reasons, and we also do not need a war at our borders.
            1. alone
              alone 30 July 2013 11: 20 New
              +1
              however, you do not protest when one of your former fellow citizens is occupying the territory of another fellow citizen, and + give him free weapons. Remember the report of General Rokhlin in the State Duma? He was wondering why Russia in difficult economic times gave weapons to the conflict region free of more than a billion weapons? So they immediately removed it .. physically ((
              1. tilovaykrisa
                tilovaykrisa 30 July 2013 11: 24 New
                0
                Duck is the thing of the past, then PR played its part ...
                1. alone
                  alone 30 July 2013 11: 32 New
                  0
                  well no. when we buy weapons from you for real money, mind you at world prices, your beloved allies accuse you of treason))) of their national interests. But as a free weapon, you immediately become best friends. By the way, the war on our northern borders in the North Caucasus we don’t have anything either, but we understand that the country is putting things in order at home and we are not protesting!
                  1. tilovaykrisa
                    tilovaykrisa 30 July 2013 11: 46 New
                    0
                    But you should understand later that the return of your occupied territories will not be easy, tens of thousands of people most of whom will be peaceful, at any war there will be atrocities on both sides, in the end, what will you get? Your conflict is already smoldering, and here it will burn forever, and the United States will not take your side, your lobby’s subscribers are stronger)) Is the game worth the candle?
                    1. alone
                      alone 30 July 2013 13: 32 New
                      0
                      there are no civilians in the occupied territories, they were expelled from there long ago with ethnic cleansing. What do you suggest? Will you put up with the occupation of the territories? You had to give everything to the Germans, civilians were also killed there. Why then did our grandfathers die in the Great Patriotic War? , they have their own interests, they don’t give a damn about everything. Let’s say 80 thousand inhabitants who refuse to obey the laws of the country, now what is to violate the rights of 1 million citizens who want to live where their great-grandfathers are buried?
                      and in Chechnya, when they restored the constitutional power of Russia, civilians also perished, but the perpetrators of this were just the same separatists, and not the power and people of Russia.
    2. aviamed90
      aviamed90 30 July 2013 11: 54 New
      0
      Essenger

      Partners.
  27. Double major
    Double major 29 July 2013 18: 11 New
    +7
    = ... today, Russia also has few allies. Belarus, Ecuador, Syria and Venezuela should not be taken into account ... = Well, I can’t say anything about Ecuador and Venezuela, I just don’t know, but I believe that the author clearly underestimates the potential of Belarus, and the attitude towards us is already militarily experienced , without reverence, Syria, which will not surrender us either at the level of government or at the level of the people ... Although the state is not great.
  28. lelikas
    lelikas 29 July 2013 18: 16 New
    +2
    The entire Pacific Fleet consists of 72 ships, hasn't it all gone to the exercises?
    Even those that are under repair?
    1. Double major
      Double major 29 July 2013 18: 21 New
      +4
      The main ones are even less. But the guys there, as far as I know, are still in vests ...
      1. lelikas
        lelikas 29 July 2013 19: 13 New
        +3
        Yes, Submarines: 21
        3 nuclear submarines with ballistic missiles, 5 nuclear submarines with cruise missiles, 5 multi-purpose nuclear submarines, 8 diesel submarines

        Surface ships: 51
        1 heavy nuclear missile cruiser, 1 missile cruiser, 4 large anti-submarine ships, 4 destroyers, 8 small anti-submarine ships, 4 small missile ships, 11 missile boats, 2 sea minesweepers, 7 base minesweepers, 1 raid minesweeper, 4 large landing ships, 4 landing boats
        Of these, 11 are under repair.
    2. Odysseus
      Odysseus 29 July 2013 19: 31 New
      +1
      Quote: lelikas
      The entire Pacific Fleet consists of 72 ships, hasn't it all gone to the exercises?

      No, of course. But after all, far from 160 thousand people were transferred.
      Should we somehow scare the adversary smile
  29. Clueless
    Clueless 29 July 2013 18: 35 New
    +4
    something else strikes, Americans begin to respect Russia, even in such articles, then again respect and fear
  30. MIKHAN
    MIKHAN 29 July 2013 18: 49 New
    +3
    Quote: Bad
    something else strikes, Americans begin to respect Russia, even in such articles, then again respect and fear

    There is nothing surprising here .. We, unlike NATO, do not train in foreign countries showing our military power .. We have organized a "small" war on our territory ... hehe We can also transfer to Syria .. Only there we are we are working with political methods trying to extinguish this artificial conflict ... Not the whole world is hot-dogged and Coke yet, and many have brains and understand that Russia is right ..
  31. darksoul
    darksoul 29 July 2013 19: 37 New
    +4
    The Chinese are developing very rapidly, I would strengthen the grouping of troops in Siberia and the Far East ..... the warriors from them correctly wrote x ... here jackals are good especially with such numbers, although they say there the demographic crisis begins. ... I consider it a crime to let them in our latest developments, such as the Su-35, and we will undermine the defense capabilities in these areas and close further exports, since the Chinese will soon begin to stamp cheap copies
    1. alone
      alone 29 July 2013 21: 22 New
      +4
      as in an old joke. a Chinese general sits and gives the task to the group commanders: -All your small groups of a million people should be in the given square 22.00)))
  32. MIKHAN
    MIKHAN 29 July 2013 20: 34 New
    +2
    Quote: darksoul
    The Chinese are developing very rapidly, I would strengthen the grouping of troops in Siberia and the Far East ..... the warriors from them correctly wrote x ... here jackals are good especially with such numbers, although they say there the demographic crisis begins. ... I consider it a crime to let them in our latest developments, such as the Su-35, and we will undermine the defense capabilities in these areas and close further exports, since the Chinese will soon begin to stamp cheap copies

    Calm down .. China is afraid of us .. Let them copy it .. And we will supply them with airplanes, etc. .. Worse if NATO does this .. we won’t be able to control what and how it works .. Su = 35 there are weak points and we know this (of the designer) and we can shoot them down ..
  33. Genady1976
    Genady1976 29 July 2013 21: 19 New
    +2
    Photo for memory
  34. Genady1976
    Genady1976 29 July 2013 21: 20 New
    +1
    directions distributes GDP.
  35. Genady1976
    Genady1976 29 July 2013 21: 23 New
    +1
    Amphibian animal crawls out of the water soldier
  36. Fofan
    Fofan 29 July 2013 22: 51 New
    +4
    Russia's rather weak armed forces may tempt China to try to seize new territories for its ever-growing population (although this is unlikely in modern international conditions).
    neighing, thanks.
    only the latter will fight the modern China conventional army. But today we have enough sane people in the Moscow Region. any war with China is an atomic war!
  37. Boa kaa
    Boa kaa 30 July 2013 00: 57 New
    +4
    The BBO exercise is just the visible part of the work carried out by the leadership of the RF Ministry of Defense and the General Staff of the RF Armed Forces on the “inventory” of the country's military organization after the experiment on reforming the RF Armed Forces by the Taburetkin team. First checked the property. The result is known. Then they conducted a sudden training southward. We looked at what the troops were capable of. Conducted an analysis. Clarified the documents. We determined the standards based on the tasks in this operational area. Methods of countering a potential adversary in the south. Troops with a gulkin nose - only 7 thousand. Not an indicator, not that scale!
    In the eastern direction, they “played back” the issue of the transfer of troops of the 3-x armies over considerable distances with the involvement of the BTA, railway, etc. according to plan.
    The bottom line: 19 operating directions around the perimeter of the country. Everyone needs an army. There are few troops. Output? Creation of mobile forces. The practice of quick response to crisis situations is tested. The goal is to forestall the enemy in deployment, to determine in advance “bottlenecks” in the organization and combat training of troops and fleet forces in this sector.
    Bottom line: poor practical preparation of firing calculations. So we’ll shoot 2 times more at the ranges from standard weapons.
    The crowds at the airbases of airbases. The decision was made: each air regiment at the aerodrome.
    Next will be the development of deployment options in the most “problematic” areas and, of course, the processing of combat documents under the new standards of mobile forces, the first echelon of which will be the created quick reaction forces.
    Well, as for the direction of the exercises - this is a very transparent hint to the large regional players in the Asia-Pacific region and the United States, too. The masking statements of the Ministry of Foreign Affairs and the President are a smokescreen, and they all perfectly understand this. And bourgeois writers and "independent media" can be refined each to their own taste and manner. This is my vision of the problem.
    1. aviamed90
      aviamed90 30 July 2013 11: 10 New
      0
      Boa kaa

      In general, I agree with you, but not in everything.
      The fact of the matter is that the rejection of the theory of mobile defense is now clearly visible. This theory was "stoked" to us as the only correct one 15-20 years ago. Under it, regiments, divisions, armies were completely disbanded. "Why are they needed?" - they told us. After all, at any moment we can transfer any number of troops from the western regions of the country to this CH (OH).

      Now it has been proved in practice that this is not so. In this way, it is possible to strengthen the troop grouping, but not to create it in the threatened period. But besides the troops themselves, it is necessary to create the infrastructure of the rear and support of troops on the spot, the engineering support of SN (OH), etc.
      And our capabilities of the BTA and Railway to transfer such a number of troops are not unlimited.
      In addition, OH does not always mean 1 OA (TA). It can be 2-3 OA (TA), depending on the heart failure or the theater.
      This number of troops has long been calculated. But this is the number of troops in wartime. And in peacetime, it is enough to have a grouping that allows you to repulse the 1st enemy strike, and then be reinforced by the transfer of troops from the west and holding mobilization activities on the spot.
      In addition, by the term OA (TA) we, nevertheless, mean the number of troops according to the organizational-staff structure of the USSR, and not the "empty" signboards of associations. And we don’t have so many troops in reality.

      Putin once talked about this. Here is a confirmation of my words:

      "It is necessary to complete the process of creating full-fledged groupings in all strategic directions, all units of the unit should be kept only in the category of constant readiness," he said at a meeting of the expanded board of the Ministry of Defense. (article "Russian President Vladimir Putin instructed to complete the process of creating full-fledged groupings in all strategic areas", 27.02.2013, website "infox.ru").

      And about the basing of aviation, there is nothing to "reinvent the wheel." These standards exist and they are tested in practice. 1 regiment - 1-2 airfields. Moreover, I consider it harmful to use the regiments of 2 squadrons. The regiment must have 3 air squadrons. And there are enough reasons for this.
      We want to show their number for ignorant people? Who are we trying to trick?
      And a complete rejection of the air bases in the form in which they now exist.
      1. aviamed90
        aviamed90 30 July 2013 11: 20 New
        +1
        And the conclusion is very simple!

        1 million. The Armed Forces are not sufficient to create such groups (even with the strengthening of the Ministry of Internal Affairs, the FSB, etc.).

        Another question: can we afford such an army? But against the backdrop of corruption and total theft of billions of dollars, this is a rhetorical question. This is what they are trying to do at the top. Is it bad, is it good - we will see the results in the future!
      2. Egen
        Egen 30 July 2013 15: 34 New
        +2
        Quote: aviamed90
        The fact of the matter is that now the rejection of the theory of mobile defense is clearly visible

        Dear Aviamed, I apologize for interfering in your eternal disputes with the KAA, but this you have raised, though not quite in the topic of the article, but an important issue. Mobile defense implies not only the mobile transfer of troops between strategic directions, but maybe not as much as maneuvering at the operational and tactical level, simplified - abandoning solid lines of trenches of the 1914 type. So far, I have not heard anything better than a method of warfare in theory, well, except for vertical coverage, separation, etc. which is essentially all the same, or part of just one :), probably far behind ... Please, drop some of the popular links, if not difficult.
        1. aviamed90
          aviamed90 30 July 2013 16: 40 New
          +1
          Egen


          What links would you like to receive?
          Links to what?
          How was the plan for the transfer of troops to the Far East and Siberia in the threatened period built? Or the number of disbanded divisions on this CH?
          Specify.

          And our disputes with the KAA are a thing of the past. For example, I'm not offended. Everyone has an opinion.
          1. aviamed90
            aviamed90 30 July 2013 17: 40 New
            +1
            Egen

            Although I can give you some links on this topic. I think that is what you meant.

            Interview with the newspaper Krasnaya Zvezda, Commander-in-Chief of the Russian Federation, Lieutenant General Vladimir Chirkin.

            Quote:
            "Correspondent - Is it possible to say that now with the confrontation of armies that have a variety of advanced reconnaissance equipment (including space), as well as an impressive arsenal of precision weapons, digging trenches has lost its meaning? That is, positional defense is completely outdated, giving way to mobile defense, in which troops, in order not to fall under enemy fire, must constantly maneuver, if so, what corrections have been introduced in the combat training programs of units of the Ground Forces ysk?

            V. Chirkin - Indeed, the tactical training program for the Ground Forces has been clarified and priority is given to maneuvering defense. In modern conditions, the defense must be built adequately to the enemy’s actions, blocking the main directions available for the actions of the troops, and to apply ambush and maneuver actions.
            At the same time, positional defense is not denied, but its conduct is assumed only in certain areas, based on terrain conditions, enemy characteristics, time of year, day, and prevailing situation. Positional defense still remains quite appropriate in the terrain passable for equipment, because it is the engineering and fortifications that will allow the troops to be preserved. By the way, even mobile defense provides for a certain amount of engineering training, and only after a strike is it planned to use a maneuver to draw the enemy into fire bags and minefields.

            (site "redstar.ru", article "Time for quality transformations", 01.06.2012)


            But I mean something completely different! Namely, the large-scale transfer of troops from one region of the country to another solely due to a lack of troops.

            "The Ministry of Defense notes that this test is the largest in post-Soviet history. It is noted that during the event mobility of connections and their ability to quickly deploy more than 3 thousands of kilometers will be tested." (RIA Novosti, 16.07.2013, article "Putin will observe the course of exercises of the BBO troops at the Sakhalin training ground").

            By the way, the transfer of the RKhBZ brigade from the air. Engels-2 on aero. Vozdvizhenka on 10 IL-76 on 3 thousand km is clearly not pulling.
            If you look at the map, there are many more.

            And again, again (I have already quoted this quote), the Supreme Armed Forces of the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation, Vladimir Putin.

            "It is necessary to complete the process of creating full-fledged groupings in all strategic directions, all units of the unit should be kept only in the category of constant readiness," he said at a meeting of the expanded board of the Ministry of Defense. (article "Russian President Vladimir Putin instructed to complete the process of creating full-fledged groupings in all strategic areas", 27.02.2013, website "infox.ru").

            Are you satisfied I understood you correctly - did you need such links?
            1. Egen
              Egen 31 July 2013 08: 19 New
              +1
              Quote: aviamed90
              I think that is what you meant.

              Yes, yes, like this, only more theory, but thanks. But here the theory of defense is not denied, on the contrary it is confirmed, and I also understood your thought. It will be necessary to look for magazines about military thought, what they are writing now, otherwise in difficult 90 I refused the subscription :(

              Quote: BoA KAA
              1. Storage bases for heavy weapons and equipment will be created for reinforcing forces, so as not to drag them across the country to the place of use. Amer’s experience will be at the right time.

              Alexander, I studied their experience, this is understandable and wonderful, with the exception of one: where is the money for all this? :(
              Quote: BoA KAA
              All the "necessary" civilian structures (regardless of the form of ownership!), As before, will receive a mob task.

              Eh, you’re an optimist :) But at least it will not work quickly to restore the organization of rear hospitals and military departments - there are ALREADY no personnel :(
      3. Boa kaa
        Boa kaa 30 July 2013 20: 37 New
        +2
        Quote: aviamed90
        In general, I agree with you, but not in everything.

        Good evening! I didn’t even expect that one of the professionals would mark my toast with his attention. But, to the point.
        1. The fallacy of the views of the former NSSh of the RF Armed Forces (Makarov) with the rejection of the "mobilization" scheme for constructing the Armed Forces was obvious to many. A sample of the contactless war that the States are striving for has been demonstrated in the SFRY. The phase of the massive VKU was intended to destroy infrastructure and grind regular military formations. In a month, not having prepared mobresources, the country will have nothing to defend. The scheme of "airmobile" brigades in this war scenario is of little use: airfields and basing points are destroyed in the first hours of the beginning of the database.
        2. There are more armed forces than 1 million people. For the economy of our country, we would clearly be a burden: we would not receive social programs or rearmament for a long time.
        3. The way out is seen in the dialectical unity of using the strengths of both theories of constructing BC-21. On the ground - OH cover forces depending on the degree of threat. Somewhere "thick" in the 2-3 series (west), and somewhere with a pass of sites (east, northeast). In readiness - strength and build-up forces.
        4. On the groups on the theater. The President spoke of the need to complete their formation after the total liquidation of divisions and the transition to the 3 level management structure. The new structure has not yet been worked out, the “new look” brigades have not been fully worked out (combat coordination, organization of interaction, their ability to “manage” in the new structure of the military-industrial complex). Hedgehog it’s clear that they are created from the available forces, which also need to be “tested” (forming headquarters, laying down documents for combat use, working out interaction issues, etc.). This, I think, also includes the questions of “entering the battle” of reinforcing forces on the D1 at the boundaries of their application. It is logical to include in this concept the degree of staffing of compounds by personnel and equipment. Requirements: 100% of contractors, 70% new MBTs (I don’t know how it is now, but before 2010 there was such a requirement).
        5. Do you need to check and evaluate the combat capabilities of the new child? Need to! They compared the combat potentials of what the opposing enemy would have to fight with and realized (from the supply of combined arms) that the brigade of a new look did not pull. Or she should brigade, as in staff, "expeditionary." And this is 16 thousand bayonets. But then this is our expanded wartime division. The question is: why did they plant a garden? Who was with brains and strong in his knees (GK Airborne Forces and Strategic Missile Forces!) Defended before the Taburetkin division. Those who wanted to survive agreed. So the divisions were reduced to brigades, the armies perished.
        I would like to remind the respected Aviamed of the words of the Supreme on the need to increase MOBILITY and combat readiness of the troops. So, there is no “naked” denial of the idea of ​​mobile defense. A search is underway for the most rational ways and means to improve the country's military organization, increase the combat potential of the armed forces, and the combat readiness of troops and fleet forces. New ideas are tested during the maneuvers, at the same time there is a study of the troops, the development of OVU.
        What awaits us ahead? (Purely personal opinion)
        1. Storage bases for heavy weapons and equipment will be created for reinforcing forces, so as not to drag them across the country to the place of use. Amer’s experience will be at the right time.
        2. The doctrine will apparently be designed to:
        - the simultaneous conduct of 1-2 wars (armed conflicts) of low intensity by cash, or
        - one full-scale war with mobilization, etc.
        3. All the "necessary" civilian structures (regardless of the form of ownership!), As before, will receive a mob task.
        Well, then we’ll “look”, as the character of the famous film said. IMHO.
        1. aviamed90
          aviamed90 31 July 2013 09: 09 New
          0
          Boa kaa

          Of course, we can argue and guess.
          But let's see: what conclusions will the Defense Ministry and the General Staff of the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation draw and what will they do about it.
          And to do something is simply necessary!

          And most importantly, what will be the real results.
  38. terran125
    terran125 30 July 2013 02: 00 New
    +2
    China, China, you just need to agree correctly, for example, that China gives us Alaska and takes the rest of the states to itself lol
    1. tilovaykrisa
      tilovaykrisa 30 July 2013 10: 03 New
      +2
      Let China take Taiwan away, unite Korea, solve the problem with Vietnam, and at the same time shake the Americans, who will interfere with this, up to military conflicts, China has so many troubles that it will reach Russia in 20-30 years, and if after the confrontation with The US will remain strong, WE NEED TO STAND UP TO THE VALLEY and WATCH TWO TIGERS namely the USA and China, and there you can see what to do. You can play the role of Doctor Aibolit, or you can work as a Toxidermist.
  39. kartalovkolya
    kartalovkolya 30 July 2013 07: 06 New
    +1
    The article arouses some interest. The statement is calm, restrained and somewhere even respectful, but the analysis is somewhat superficial. The main thing in these exercises is not mentioned: the lack of a prepared script. As Peter the Great used to say: "... not to speak on paper, but let each and every one of his nonsense show ... ". Independent decision-making by commanders during the development of the dynamics of exercises is great, otherwise they will draw colorful plans, prepare, and the result is NIL. Well, I agree with previous comrades - transport is a circulatory system of war. And the role of the BTA increases many times, I think it was not in vain that the question arose of reviving the release of An-124 Ruslan! And it was correctly said that gunpowder should be kept dry! After all, there are a lot of guiding people with an unstable psyche. But repeating V.S. Chernomyrdin: "If your hands itch, then scratch in another place! "So gentlemen, partners and others ...
  40. vovan100
    vovan100 30 July 2013 08: 27 New
    +3
    yes, and where does China. as Putin said, we have unprecedented relations with China, that is, there have never been such trusting and friendly exercises! the exercises are primarily aimed at testing combat effectiveness, interaction of troops, etc. so that in case of emergency there would be no problems . well, and the second, of course, is a demonstration of strength, first of all, to the Americans and their henchmen, so that their heads are cold and they have not taken rash steps that will have serious consequences for all ........
    1. DPN
      DPN 30 July 2013 16: 23 New
      +1
      Putin, says in three boxes, only claims on the land always arise from neighbors, and China has already given decently to the zemstvos.
  41. Mareman Vasilich
    Mareman Vasilich 30 July 2013 08: 56 New
    +4
    You just need to remember well, or study who does not know, who fed China, to whom he owes his economic miracle, and everything will fall into place. I agree that it is best to come to China with a gingerbread, but at the same time do so that he always sees a whip.
  42. KBPC50
    KBPC50 30 July 2013 09: 29 New
    +2
    It’s time for the Americans to recall the words of the beautiful song “- You ask the silence: do the Russians want war?” If only I would have thought about it. We always have time to kill each other.
  43. Alexander borey
    Alexander borey 30 July 2013 09: 29 New
    +3
    Mr. Cohen, like the entire US administration and the Anglo-Saxons in general, is sleeping and seeing the war between Russia and China. For them, this is an ideal version of the reprisal against two major military and geopolitical enemies: to pit two powers, wait for their economic and military weakening, and then finish off both with one accurate but powerful blow. Will not work. The Chinese and we have long understood this rotten tactic and are now very actively cooperating and developing relations, the Chinese understand that a war with Russia will not bring the desired result to the PRC in ANY scenario, only the destruction of China as a state and one of the centers of power in the Asia-Pacific region. Moreover, this destruction will not be mutual. To begin with, Sir Cohen "pulled a bream" against the Armed Forces and the military-political leadership of Russia in order to gain the sympathy of the reader, and then still sprayed poison. Typical Jewish tactics.
    Beijing no longer has territorial claims against Moscow; this is documented. The question is closed. As for Belarus, Cohen also got excited - you should not write off the Belarus brothers. The defense industry of Belarus can compete with the world's leading manufacturers, let me remind you - with the help of the Belarusian electronic warfare complex, Iran planted the latest amer drone (from the rabies and powerlessness the United States even imposed sanctions against Minsk), and Belarusians can’t keep up with the spirit, like all Slavs. Lukashenko bluntly said that in the event of a hypothetical attack on Russia, the Belarusian people will fight for us to the last drop of blood. In short, a typical hatred of Amers, who incidentally did not win a single war in the XNUMXth and XNUMXst centuries! negative
    At the same time, Cohen refers to Khramchikhin, who on the one hand says "that the exercises became a" sobering signal "for Beijing so that he would not even think about any actions against Russia using force," and on the other hand, he writes in the media a long-term soap opera " How China will crush Russia, "where it prophesies us a quick and inglorious defeat. "Comrades" plow at one office ... negative
    And finally, I can tell the gentlemen of the Jewish Yankees that sudden checks of the combat readiness of troops of any kind and in any region will be carried out in the future, and not in order to "scare" anyone. This is normal practice in the Armed Forces, especially for Russia, whose Army and Navy have been in suspended animation for almost 20 years. And whoever sticks with us with weapons will extinguish everything that is, including nuclear weapons. The hand does not flinch and the spirit is enough. soldier
    Washington may "closely monitor the demonstration of Russian power," may not follow, it will not change anything - Russia is confidently reborn, and any attempts to stop us will lead to the destruction of all civilization. And now, Mr. Cohen, ask yourself and your bosses in Washington, “Do you need it, is the game worth the candle?” Article - negative
  44. eplewke
    eplewke 30 July 2013 10: 07 New
    +1
    Jet artillery like a tornado, a couple of battalions on the border with China, and just surely beat off the Chinese hunt for our lands forever. They were so harassed on the island of Damansky by their caps that they are still written in boiling water. The real deterrent.
  45. alone
    alone 30 July 2013 11: 35 New
    +2
    Chinese have tornadoes. they still have RSZO installations that hit 400km. the only limiting factor, the presence of nuclear weapons. battalions there will not solve anything. and about the hailstones of damansk. they were used because so many infantry participated in the offensive that it was impossible to restrain them by conventional methods. now just take and check whose territory is damansk.
  46. Zubr
    Zubr 30 July 2013 12: 13 New
    +1
    Quote: eplewke
    But, despite such proximity, the growing military potential of China is a matter of concern for its northern neighbor. The rather weak Russian armed forces may create a temptation for China to try to seize new territories for its ever-increasing population (although this is unlikely in modern international conditions). The fact that China still calls unfair some of its border treaties with Russia from the 19 century, only heightens the anxiety of Moscow.


    Well, the fact that our troops worked so quickly is very pleasing, and even on such a scale! The main thing is that later they will work on the mistakes and put the whole mate in order. part. and modernized, so far it is amenable to modernization. Yes, and the officer corps, so that the soldier would be like fathers ....
  47. andron1983
    andron1983 30 July 2013 12: 49 New
    0
    I doubt that a handful of clowns who began the reform by hanging undeserved awards on shirts and camouflage can do something useful for the army. The system is built in such a way that honest, decent and professional people cannot be in the leadership of (a majority). It is difficult to believe in the fairy tale about the "suddenness" of the exercises, all of a sudden they were not carried out in Soviet times.
  48. Evgeniy8104
    Evgeniy8104 30 July 2013 13: 29 New
    0
    I live in Ulan-Ude near the station Divizionnaya, I don’t know what part most likely Motstr. but damn shook up with machine guns at night to grumble)
  49. Igor77
    Igor77 30 July 2013 14: 01 New
    +1
    Under our army, which now exists, in the event of aggression by another state and, moreover, the alliance, nuclear weapons will be used. Therefore, you will have to quickly run away from radiation. :)
  50. DPN
    DPN 30 July 2013 16: 13 New
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    Quote: Black Colonel
    I read once that in one of the Arab countries, militants who were under the influence of Iran captured our diplomatic workers. The special operation was too risky for both the hostages and the participants. It seems that the ambassador to Iran in a friendly conversation with someone from the Iranian leadership, among other things, mentioned that the USSR intends to conduct large-scale exercises in the Caucasus using tactical nuclear weapons. And recently, "targeting precisely these types of nuclear weapons has begun to produce not the results for which calculations and a possible deviation of the launched missiles were very likely. So be prepared just in case."
    As a result, live and healthy diplomats were released.

    I also heard a similar case, only the Ministry of Foreign Affairs was mentioned there, and they say it helped a lot, but under what our ruler I did not know. I am very sorry that they did not do this to the Saudi monarchy, you see, and the USSR would remain WHOLE.