Day of the Baptism of Russia - a holiday that unites peoples and countries

The Day of the Baptism of Russia stands apart on the calendar. Perhaps, based on its real historical significance, today it is the most underrated holiday. After all, this is about the historical highway that Prince Vladimir chose for our ancestors over a thousand years ago. Today you somehow do not even imagine Russia as a Catholic, Islamic or Jewish state, although, as follows from The Tale of Bygone Years, such a choice was proposed to Vladimir Svyatoslavovich.

Objectively, today's Russia cannot be called an Orthodox state. First of all, according to the current Constitution, which not only indicates the secular nature of our state, but also the supremacy of any ideology is prohibited. But also, as they say, “in spirit”: the results of various polls are inexorable, irrespective of specific figures. Thus, the number of church citizens is incommensurably less than those who simply identify with the Orthodox tradition, rather paying tribute to the courtesy of the history of their country. People willingly go to temples, or even chapels, worn out by earthly cares, to put a candle to any saint before the operation of relatives in the hospital, or for a good mark on the exam (the author repents: he did it himself).

Twice a year, you can see the “congregation” in the temples at the great Easter and Christmas services. Of course, a separate topic - Easter cakes, painted eggs, the consecration of water, cars, apartments and other iPhones. But, to admit, the meaning of these rites in the minds of most of our compatriots is rooted, alas, not in the choice of Prince Vladimir in the 988 year, but somewhere deeper - during the times of Perun and Yarila ... Is it any wonder ads in large-circulation newspapers with advertisements "White magicians" - a portly aunt surrounded by icons and lamps?

The Day of the Baptism of Russia is celebrated not so much on a grand scale, but noticeably - perhaps more noticeably than the same Day of Russia. Does this date nevertheless have any meaning, and the “last times” that other parishioners of temples are chasing are not so relevant? ..

KM.RU reviewer these questions were answered by experts of the portal:

Member of the Patriarchal Council on Culture, Chairman of the International Association of Cinematographers of Slavic and Orthodox Peoples, President of the International Film Forum “Golden Knight”, People's Artist of Russia Nikolay Burlyaev:

- About the last times every now and then it is said, in fact, every year we prepare for them. But, as they say in Russia, "Get ready for death, and this rye." Therefore, we must continue to live with faith in the Lord. And the fact that we are celebrating the Day of the Baptism of Russia is, of course, very important, because there is no stronger support for the Russian people than our faith left to us by our ancestors.

Religious scholar, executive director of the Human Rights Center of the World Russian People’s Council, candidate of historical sciences Roman Silantyev:

- The Day of the Baptism of Rus is a holiday that unites people and countries. Actually, that says it all. Orthodox from year to year becomes more and more, and the times are now much less apostatic (apostate. - Approx. KM.RU) than at the beginning of the XX century. I think that Russia today is much longer from the end of the world than a hundred years ago. In any case, the level of religiosity among the people is high, as is the level of church-state relations. The church is on the rise, the temples are opened in the thousands and at the same time they are not empty, they are filled with believers. And the Orthodox faith itself plays an increasingly important role in the life of not only Russia, but also other countries.

First Deputy Chairman and Chief of Staff of the Patriarchal Commission on Family and Motherhood, Member of the Supreme Church Council of the Russian Orthodox Church, Mitred Archpriest Dmitry Smirnov:

- The point is not that we celebrate the date of the Baptism of Russia today, but that this holiday has an eternal importance, because Prince Vladimir has decided what we should be, and now we’ve been walking this path with all our delusions for 1025 years , digressions, mistakes, losses, sins, achievements. Still, any nation forms its faith, it is the foundation of national life.

As Metropolitan Hilarion correctly noted, we are now in the second Baptism of Russia. But I must say that the first one ended only at the end of the 19th century, when our suburbs — Kamchatka, the north of the Far East, Yakutia and other lands — were finally baptized. That is, the Baptism of Russia went on for 900 years, and then the invasion of communist contagion threw our country decades ago. In the battle with it, we lost hundreds of millions of people, but, as always, saved Europe: first from the Mongols, then from the communists. Such is the role of our people.

Over the past 25 years in Russia, 25 000 churches were built, 800 monasteries were restored, so, of course, we have something to celebrate. But the anniversary itself is a conditional date, of course. We somehow got used to round dates, we like to celebrate them. But the number "25" is definitely lost in the shadow of the millennium.

By the way, I remember very well and in detail the celebrations of the Millennium of the Baptism of Rus. After decades of godlessness, this was a great joy, but it was also a joy this year in Moscow to meet the heads of all local Orthodox churches. I was also present at the festive service in honor of our spiritual mother Mother Princess Olga - grandmother of Equal-to-the-Apostles Prince Vladimir. And how happy it was when, during the service, it was all over the cross of Andrew the First-Called!

Well, whether the last time now or not - everything is in the hands of God. What is happening today with our once-Christian Europe, of course, causes every Orthodox Orthodox sorrow and wariness. But, perhaps, looking at us, they will perk up: there are millions of Christians there. And then, in addition to the names of the varieties of cheese, they will also be remembered about the commandments of God ... I have great hope for this.

I like the earlier proposal to make the Day of the Baptism of Russia a public holiday. Celebrating it widely, people will slowly begin to delve into their history. And the media will, willingly or not, but something to prepare for this. Of course, the main part of the mass media today is just jerking around and scoffing at what is sacred to the people. But we, the Orthodox, know: the more they scoff, the stronger our faith is.

Comments

[shpuntik]

Nothing, Orthodox Russia will be restored, we will not only celebrate, but also celebrate this holiday. Although everything goes to a (defensive) war ...

[Recon]

The holiday is certainly positive. But here is what I do not agree with the Russian Orthodox Church and the author:

1. Our history extends far into the past, much further than the year of the baptism of Russia.
2. There are too many temples and churches built. Can you imagine what huge funds are needed for this? Why can’t you build church schools, almshouses, church shelters for the homeless, schools, hospitals, kindergartens in the end? And after all, all this can be under the wing and guardianship of the Church, right?

[shpuntik]

Recon RU Today, 14:37 PM New
The holiday is certainly positive. But here is what I do not agree with the Russian Orthodox Church and the author:
2. There are too many temples and churches built. Can you imagine what huge funds are needed for this?

First prayer, then deeds :-)
And how much gold the Bolsheviks washed from the domes ... Gelfands and various "mad vaginas" are silent, I apologize for the medical term.

http://www.opvspb.ru/sluzhby/stroim_dom_miloserdiya/

[Alexander Romanov]

Quote: Recon

1. Our history extends far into the past, much further than the year of the baptism of Russia.

Yes, no one argues

Quote: Recon

2. Temples and churches built too much

Not so much for our country, we have thousands of cities and towns, there is nothing to talk about villages.

Quote: Recon

? Why can’t you build church schools, almshouses, church shelters for the homeless, schools, hospitals, kindergartens in the end? And after all, all this can be under the wing and guardianship of the Church, right?

Offer to build a country in the country? As much as the Church can, so much helps people. People help, but not you, as I understand it. You were the critic who didn’t give a penny, but counting someone else’s ruble, right?

[Recon]

I do not offer anything, I only express my opinion. Excuse me, Comrade Marshal? And on what basis do you, dear, draw far-reaching conclusions without knowing anything about me? I should probably be ashamed? For what? I won’t be crucifying here, where, to whom and how much I donated and to whom I helped, why? And you have no desire to prove that you are wrong either. Therefore, go your own way, and do not take so close to your heart everything that is at variance with your attitude.

[Alexander Romanov]

Quote: Recon

I do not offer anything, I only express my opinion. Excuse me, Comrade Marshal?

Yes, express as you like, I already answered you.

[My address]

Dear Nikita! Totally agree with you. Do not pay attention to field marshal number XXUMX. I started reading comments in April, so he and this marshals are completely different people. Sadly

My uncle, the elder of the Old Believers, said: "Sashka! God is not at all interested in whether you believe in him or not. He is so great that he does not care about this. The main thing for him is that you behave like a human being. I do not speak about it with my own people, will not understand. But you be a man and he will understand everything in the next world. " And what mental constructions this Philosopher (with a capital letter) and a participant in the war with the White Chinese, with a parish 4-grade education, rolled up!

[Alexander Romanov]

Quote: My address

Do not pay attention to Field Marshal No. 1.

And hello to you comrade ensign

[Furnace driver]

Quote: Alexander Romanov

Not so much for our country, we have thousands of cities and towns, there is nothing to talk about villages

better to rebuild the new, but the old ... architectural and historical monuments, church naturally, even if they continue to collapse ...
priests on their own, but by popular forces rebuild independently, while priests with fat rage.

[Furnace driver]

as I understand it, the minusers have nothing to object to my post?

[soldier's grandson]

you want to say about extinct villages?

[shpuntik]

grandson of a soldier (3) RU Yesterday, 18:42 ↑
you want to say about extinct villages?

In Russia "for a thousand years" it was like this: the church is - this is the village, the chapel is - the village, nothing is - this is the village. Expression: "Oh, you village!" comes from this gradation, since they learned to read and write from churchmen, read the Gospel from childhood. Who wanted of course
:-)
The village began to die out during the Red Terror. The same Tukhachevsky "distinguished himself" in the murders of peasants.

[Furnace driver]

And how many liberals have become in the village during the years of power? Okay, people still hold on to the Black Earth region, but in the Non-Black Earth region it is difficult to find islands of stability, destruction everywhere.

[Evgeniy46]

I agree on my points and I will give an example from my city.
The city is small, about 100000 population. So, there is one temple, another is being completed. Both in different parts of the city. BUT! Literally 200-300 meters from the first in the middle of a residential neighborhood in the playground they want to build another. People spoke out against building there. What did the journalists do? During working hours, we went home and asked about consent to the construction. Most people (and these were grandmothers) agreed. There were almost no younger people. And so it turns out that no one seems to mind. My personal opinion is this - do not interfere with faith and politics. Our country is multiconfessional and we should not focus on Orthodoxy. Or select all denominations, or none. Something like this

[Alexander Romanov]

Quote: Eugene46

The city is small, with about 100000 people. So, there is one temple, another is being completed. Both in different parts of the city. BUT! Literally 200-300 meters from the first in the middle of a residential neighborhood in the playground, they want to build another one.

2 The temple per 100 is very small, which with regards to the construction at the playground, is probably worth moving away. On holidays, the playground will be forced by cars and other things. Well, there is already a question for the local authorities.

Quote: Eugene46

Our country is multiconfessional and you should not focus on Orthodoxy

Yes, but the foundation of the country is Orthodoxy. We have already made it so that some hoping that our country is a lot of confessional say: -Russian, there is no such nation.
Just what will happen to these denominations without the Russians? The same Orthodoxy, the foundation of Russia, has existed for 1025 years. According to other faiths, they have built temples or mosques and not a few. All Moscow allah akbar yells on holidays, without any advertising from the state

[Evgeniy46]

Quote: Alexander Romanov

Yes, but the foundation of the country is Orthodoxy. We have already made it so that some hoping that our country is a lot of confessional say: -Russian, there is no such nation.

It is highly dependent on self-awareness. For example, I was born in the Kursk region. Before the great-great-grandfather on the mother's side, the ancestors considered themselves Russian. And I was brought up as a Russian since childhood. And to the question "Who am I by nation" I answer - Russian. How I feel myself. But, no offense to your feelings for Orthodoxy, I cannot consider myself Orthodox, there are reasons for this. I like native faith more.

Quote: Alexander Romanov

The same Orthodoxy, the foundation of Russia, has existed for 1025 years. According to other faiths, they have built temples or mosques and not a few. All Moscow allah akbar yells on holidays, without any advertising from the state

Alexander, and before 988, weren't there Russians? After all, we were before that, only had our own religion. Therefore, the basis of Russia should be considered Russian. As regards the attractiveness of other religions, the ROC itself is already a problem here, which cannot make Orthodoxy attractive to the majority.

[Alexander Romanov]

Quote: Eugene46

More like Rodnoverie.

I really forbid you or urge you to accept Orthodoxy. Your own business.

Quote: Eugene46

Alexander, and before 988, were there not Russians? After all, we were before that, only had our own religion.

Just an hour ago, one of your like-minded people posted here such a comment saying to me. Ross RU Today, 16:02
Quote: Alexander Romanov
Quote: Svobodny
Meanwhile, we are nostalgic for the beautiful pagan times.
And they were definitely beautiful?

Soviet history researcher L.G. Saldadze notes:

“An orientalist V. Minorsky discovered in the 30 years of our century in the library of the Ministry of Indian Affairs in London a manuscript of an Arab doctor of the 12th century Marwazi, in which there is such an observation:“ The Rus are very numerous and see a means of food in the sword. If one of the men dies, leaving his daughters and sons, then they transfer the property to their daughters, but to the sons - a sword ...

When they converted to Christianity, religion dulled their swords ... and they returned to a difficult life ... poverty, and their livelihood was reduced. ”
What did he want by this koment to tell me that before the adoption of Orthodoxy, the Russians were scumbags and robbers ??? But I strongly doubt it, but if so, I don’t think that earning a banal robbery is the best of our history. More than 1000 years have passed since then. You live in the country in which your family lives. Trying to fight Orthodoxy you are fighting with part of your family, with part of your people

[Evgeniy46]

Fair? I have no idea. You will excuse me, but through the efforts of adherents of Orthodoxy very few of our written sources have reached us. We have to focus more on fairy tales, epics. The records of foreigners must be treated with caution, because they can not understand a lot. As for the record of Marvasi, I think the point was that in pre-Christian Russia the path of a warrior was very, very honorable. And after the adoption of the attitude towards the soldiers changed

[Gregazov]

It is difficult to take your opinion "And after the adoption of (Orthodoxy?) The attitude towards the soldiers changed" is difficult to take seriously, since each Grand Duke, Tsar or Emperor was first of all military people, and only then everything else. Therefore, it is nevertheless necessary to read something, figure it out yourself, you look and, having learned the truth, repeat the act of the Pharisee Saul.

[Yura]

Quote: Eugene46

Alexander, and before 988, were there not Russians? After all, we were before that, only had our own religion. Therefore, the basis of Russia should be considered Russian.

Reasonably.

[Alekseir162]

Quote: Eugene46

But before 988, were there not Russians? After all, we were before that, only had our own religion.

You see Eugene, before 988. there was no such thing as RUSSIAN, but there were unions of numerous tribes (Krivichi, Vyatichi and many others), each union had its own gods, whom they worshiped. Accordingly, there could be no question of a single state, because if we admit that the gods of the Krivichs are "more important", then other tribes will be indignant, and so on, AND THIS DOES NOT FACILITATE UNION IN ANY way. A single religion was needed and Prince Vladimir made his choice. And an important role in the choice was played by the fact that the Byzantine Empire was at that time very strong (I think everyone understands how good it is to have such an ally), again, unlike Rome, Byzantium did not set any conditions for the adoption of Orthodoxy.
So with the adoption of baptism, in fact, the formation of RUSI as a state began, then the name Russland (Russia) appeared on the maps of Western Europe

[Yura]

Quote: Alekseir162

So with the adoption of baptism, in fact, the formation of RUSI as a state began, then the name Russland (Russia) appeared on the maps of Western Europe

In China, there is a "Silk Museum" dedicated to everything related to silk. So on one of the artifacts, that is, a piece of silk made 4 thousand years ago and the text inscribed on it in hieroglyphs at the same time, it is said that China traded silk with RUSSIA too (note four thousand years ago). But what about the country of Gardarik, the Scandinavians called Russia that way, and this did not mean that there was no Russia, because the fact that we call the Germans Germans does not mean that the Germans do not exist. It doesn't have to be something we don't know about.

[S_mirnov]

“Literally 200-300 meters from the first in the middle of a residential neighborhood on a playground, they want to build another one.” The speed of building churches, and mosques with all sorts of synagogues in our country can only be compared with the speed of building shopping centers.
Both serve one purpose - to withdraw money from the people! Only in the shopping center are money withdrawn in favor of large merchants, and in synagogue churches in favor of the church elite. Neither one really produces anything, i.e. are parasitic organizations. The list is worth adding an abundance of banks, by the way, every fifth Russian has loans worth about 1 million rubles. What parallels with America does not cause?
The church has become so fat that it no longer fits in existing temples! The question is where do you pop with a brush to the rocket climb, it’s better she will not fly from this!
A ban on priests of Neptune and mermaids on the day of the Navy - so it's just obscene songs! This is the middle ages!
http://news.rambler.ru/20303240/

[Alexander Romanov]

Quote: S_mirnov

The church is so fat

Smirnov, AU, give me pictures of the American base in Ulyanovsk, where there are a bunch of American soldiers.

[S_mirnov]

"Smirnov, AU, let's take pictures of the American base in Ulyanovsk"
In those photos of Chaplin at the American Embassy - where are a bunch of traitors!
http://allaron.livejournal.com/150583.html
And one more thing, send me a photo of Ulyanovsk with an empty place where there should be an American base!
And then it turns out that the GDP about ghosts says:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1pJ7tmvtSDE
probably raving ...
"where are the bunch of American soldiers" is you already gagging, I did not speak about the soldiers. Soldiers are expensive, they are brought to where they need to be by plane.

[Alexander Romanov]

Quote: S_mirnov

"where are the bunch of American soldiers" - this is you already gagging, I did not speak about the soldiers

and this is about civilAnd one more thing, send me a photo of Ulyanovsk with an empty place where there should be an American base!
Look in google, pictures of 13 years and find me NATO or your Americans. And in general, about what an empty place. You said there is a base-GIVE EVIDENCE!

[soldier's grandson]

13 shots do not exist yet, there are 10 shots

[bomg.77]

Quote: S_mirnov

The church has become so fat that it no longer fits in existing temples!

Uv.Smirnov completely agrees with you, the church simply sucks money and this is not the pre-revolutionary church, which besides faith brought education, respect for elders, these are just effective managers, their mother, and not only Orthodox, but also Catholics and Armenian and Georgian all sold out to the golden calf.

[Yarosvet]

Quote: bomg.77

the church simply sucks money and this is not the pre-revolutionary church that brought to the people, in addition to faith, education, respect for elders

Not respect for elders was instilled, but unquestioning submission.
"Education" is 80% of the illiterate.
Faith is instilling the habit of performing a series of rituals and paying.

And do not forget that it is the remnants of that pre-revolutionary church that sided with the Nazis.

[bomg.77]

Quote: Yarosvet

And do not forget that it is the remnants of that pre-revolutionary church that sided with the Nazis.

Yarosvet, we are now talking about the current church and the pre-revolutionary, and once its authorities categorically denied it, firstly, secondly, it is not necessary to project individual
ministers to all ministers, I think if this were so, then Stalin would not have left this unattended and would not have restored the patriarchate

[Yarosvet]

Quote: bomg.77

Yarosvet, we are now talking about the current church and the pre-revolutionary

Here I am about the pre-revolutionary and recalled - ROCOR was its part - flesh from flesh.

secondly, it is not necessary to project individual ministers on all ministers

In your opinion, the highest ranks of the ROCOR supported by the clergy and flock are separate ministers?

I think if this were so, then Stalin would not have left this unattended and would not have restored the patriarchate

The patriarchy was restored as an ideological counterweight to the ROCOR. Otherwise, there was a big risk of getting a partisan war in the rear of the advancing army, which could be started by religious citizens motivated by the ROCOR to fight the "God-fighters".

[Rakti-kali]

Quote: S_mirnov

The church has become so fat that it no longer fits in existing temples!

Do you understand the concept of "church"? Do you know that it consists of two parts? So who got fat - the clergy or the flock?

[GreatRussia]

Quote: S_mirnov

A ban on priests of Neptune and mermaids on the day of the Navy - so it's just obscene songs! This is the middle ages!
http://news.rambler.ru/20303240/

For you, the Middle Ages, what obscurantism in the form of a pagan god and devils was thrown out of a secular holiday?

[S_mirnov]

"they threw out obscurantism in the form of a pagan god and devils" - for sure! So they will get to Baba Yaga, and they will make Cheburashka four! The name of Pushkino's fairy tale "About the priest and his worker Balda" is already being misinterpreted; now it sounds like this "The Tale of the Merchant and his worker Balda"

[GreatRussia]

Quote: S_mirnov

So they will reach Baba Yaga, and they will make Cheburashka four!

Of course awesome will be a loss!

The name of Pushkino's fairy tale "About the priest and his worker Balda" is already being misinterpreted; now it sounds like this "The Tale of the Merchant and his worker Balda"

Originally it was called. And what?

[grafrozow]

Quote: Eugene46

. My personal opinion is this - do not interfere with faith and politics. Our country is multiconfessional and we should not focus on Orthodoxy. Or select all denominations, or none. Something like this

Our RUSSIA was originally Orthodox, and if three Papuans come to my city tomorrow and want to build their sacred "wigwam" and slaughter sacrificial rams near it, we will take them back home. A hackneyed topic - visiting is not at home, it is not necessary to teach Daddy how children are doing. If you want to pray to your God, pray, but not on Red Square, but at home !!!!

[maxvik]

Many or few temples is not an easy question. Why are you saying so easily that much? Those temples that I visit are always crowded, it is stuffy and there is really not enough space.
Money for the construction of churches is not spent state, but parish. If there is enough land, then Sunday schools are being built near the temple. As a rule, priests organize work with orphanages and help the elderly and sick people. Just for example http://pokrovchram.ru/socialnoe_sluzhenie
But to give whole kindergartens and shelters under the wing of the church is probably not worth it, because many will be very against it.

[Vadivak]

Quote: Recon

There are too many temples and churches built. Can you imagine what huge funds are needed for this?

Too much is how? Do they interfere with your movement or make money? Or do not like the educational policy of the church?

About money - temples are built on the donations of believers. What do you care about this money? Let's take the civic initiative to raise money for kindergarten, school, hospital, no one is against, not shifting responsibility to others.

[Recon]

Why is it worth only mentioning the notorious candy wrappers, does the controversy about "counting millions" begin? You yourself begin to consider them as such posts. I, like many others, do good deeds, donate a certain amount, but I don’t shout about it on the forums, and I don’t tell everyone around what a supposedly good person I am. Nobody cares about this. And whoever has, they do good in silence. As for initiatives, this is the business of public figures. There are a huge number of them. Refer to them. I serve the Motherland in other ways.

[Vadivak]

Quote: Recon

I, like many, do good deeds, donate a certain amount, but do not shout about it on the forums,

Already scream.

Quote: Recon

As for the initiatives, this is the work of public figures.

Then why speak with them? I myself am not enthusiastic about the personnel policy of the Russian Orthodox Church, but understand that they are excommunicated from the state and, by definition, cannot open schools and hospitals, by status

[S_mirnov]

"but you must understand that they are excommunicated from the state." And then what do they do in state kindergartens, schools, military schools, the army? Yes, now not a single political party can do without a priest!
http://allaron.livejournal.com/150583.html
And why the church did not fall under the law on NGOs? It turns out the church, a very commercial organization.
In the USSR there was more holiness in the church - because it was not profitable to be a minister of faith, and now the clergy are pushed into the backyards, and commerce ahead is in robes!

[agbykov]

Unfortunately, you misunderstand the principle of separation of the Church from the state.

[S_mirnov]

"Unfortunately, you misunderstand the principle of separation of church from state." -So dedicate! What is the separation in the fact that the church does not pay taxes on commercial activities?

[consul]

Quote: S_mirnov

"Unfortunately, you misunderstand the principle of separation of church from state." -So dedicate! What is the separation in the fact that the church does not pay taxes on commercial activities?

pays, don’t worry, only religious products are not taxed.

[S_mirnov]

I have never seen a cash register in a church.

[shpuntik]

S_mirnov (2) SU Yesterday, 18:57 ↑
I have never seen a cash register in a church.

So you are Alexander, often go to Orthodox churches? Judging by the comments, you bypass them, for three miles.
Near the icon shop, there is usually a glass for the poor, with small candles. Nobody "takes" money, as you put it:

Both serve one purpose - to withdraw money from the people! Only in the shopping center are money withdrawn in favor of large merchants, and in synagogue churches in favor of the church elite.

[shpuntik]

That's how much, "opium" for the people :-)

[Yarosvet]

Quote: shpuntik

That's how much, "opium" for the people

And how exactly did these "poor people" get "their" "little" money "priests" are not interested in?

By the way - do you know at least 1 case when a minister of worship would donate something to someone?

[Alexander Romanov]

Quote: Yarosvet

By the way - do you know at least 1 case when a minister of worship would donate something to someone?

There are thousands of cases across the country, but not many get to the press. Dozens of people received help with me, and even more without me.
Your words say that you are not interested, if you were interested, you would know

[Yarosvet]

Quote: Alexander Romanov

Your words say that you are not interested, if you were interested, you would know

It’s not true, Alexander - I’m interested, but I don’t know of any such cases.

Can you throw an example?

[MG42]

Quote: Yarosvet

By the way - you know at least 1 case when a minister of worship donated something to someone

Yekaterinburg, September 23, 2008, "Information agency of the Yekaterinburg diocese". The inmates of the Yekaterinburg pre-trial detention center are spiritually nourished by the rector of the parish in honor of the Holy Optina Elders, priest Andrei Shestakov.
Father Andrei comes to his spiritual wards several times a month. The conversations are attended by up to 150 people. The father also talks with juvenile prisoners in the classroom, conducts individual interviews with the prison staff. He conveys to the convicts the folds, beads, wearable images of the Most Holy Theotokos with shrines, as well as sweets, albums for paper icons, envelopes for letters home. Donates icons and spiritual books for the prayer room of the SIZO.
According to the priest, in some cells, prisoners even have the opportunity to watch Orthodox television programs, CDs with spiritual videos, listen to audio recordings of sermons and church songs.
At the request of the prisoners, they, accompanied by the security guards, are brought to the prayer room for individual conversations with the priest. Father Andrei regularly donates essential drugs in jail. Some prisoners express a desire, after release, to help the priest in the temple.

© When using the information link to the media
"Information Agency of the Yekaterinburg Diocese"
(certificate of registration of IA No. 11-1492 dated 29.05.2003/XNUMX/XNUMX) MANDATORY.

[Yarosvet]

Quote: MG42

E no - this is his work, carried out with the aim of attracting new parishioners and carried out at the expense of the parish or diocese.

I ask about a case when a minister of worship helps someone free of charge, without the second thought of recruiting new adherents and at his own expense.

[MG42]

Why do you see a double meaning in everything positive ??? I don’t see any back thought here, if anyone goes to help the priest in the temple after the liberation, then it will be VOLUNTARILY.
It's not like obsessive "Jehovah's Witnesses" who call our apartment every week and try to hand over their literature, no one zombies people like sectarians at their meetings ..
My friend got to such a "meeting" and left them his home phone number, then he did not come to the next meetings, so at first he was simply invited then obsessively and almost to the point of threats .., in general, he barely got off ..

[Yarosvet]

Quote: MG42

Why do you see a double meaning in everything positive ???

Just call things by their names.

I don’t see any back thought here, if anyone goes to help the priest in the temple after the liberation, then it will be VOLUNTARILY.

If we accept the facts of psychological pressure and psychological bribery in conditions of increased susceptibility to the norm, then yes - voluntarily.

It's not like obsessive "Jehovah's Witnesses" who call our apartment every week and try to hand over their literature, no one zombies people like sectarians at their meetings ..

The principle is essentially the same, only thinner - less aggressive.

In general, the topic of recruitment is extensive, it must be viewed from sources, from scripture. Dvorkin has a lot of materials on recruitment into sects and characteristic features of the latter. Interestingly, these signs largely coincide with elements of traditional religions.

[MG42]

Quote: Yarosvet

Just call things by their names.

<Just look for a black cat in a dark room, especially if it isn't there>

Quote: Yarosvet

If we accept the facts of psychological pressure and psychological bribery in conditions of increased susceptibility to the norm, then yes - voluntarily.

Well, if kindness is called psychological pressure, and when buying a candle in the temple, asking for a check and looking for a cash register, then yes ... it's hard, probably, to live with such thoughts ..

[Yarosvet]

Quote: MG42

<Just look for a black cat in a dark room, especially if it isn't there>

The room is bright - the black cat is clearly visible in it. Another thing is that, due to the infection of Toxoplasma gondii, some so much want to have a white cat that, for lack of it, they begin to pass off a black cat for it.

Well, if kindness is called psychological pressure, and when buying a candle in the temple, asking for a check and looking for a cash register, then yes ... it's hard, probably, to live with such thoughts ..

It's normal to live.

Since you mentioned a candle, do you want to give a link about the birthday of the director of the candle factory?

[MG42]

Quote: Yarosvet

The room is bright - the black cat is clearly visible in it.

[Yarosvet]

Quote: MG42

[MG42]

He plays the guitar not bad, I myself once studied such a classical technique of playing the guitar, but I didn’t really like the song ..

[Alexander Romanov]

Quote: Yarosvet

Can you throw an example?

Podkin, in Khabarovsk, by order of the Patriarch, the debt for the housing and communal services was paid off to a student who is raising her younger sister-100 000 rubles. If you approach the church, you will see that people constantly turn to the priests for help. So there is no need to lie.

[Yarosvet]

Quote: Alexander Romanov

So no need to lie.

I’m not lying - it’s either you did not understand the essence of the issue, or you consciously substitute concepts.

I’m not talking about patriarchy, diocese or parish - I’m talking about a specific worshiper who helps someone at his own expense.

[Alexander Romanov]

Quote: Yarosvet

I’m not talking about patriarchy, diocese or parish - I’m talking about a specific worshiper who helps someone at his own expense.

Well, sitting around the whole concept you replace when there is nothing to answer, but nonetheless. The Church of Peter and Paul in Kamchatsky in Petropavlovsk, Father Yaroslav was rector there, so he helped many at his own expense. He was personally acquainted with him.

[Yarosvet]

Quote: Alexander Romanov

I knew him personally.

This is great, so you can say - did he just help, purely humanly, without any religious filling of this help?

[Alexander Romanov]

Quote: Yarosvet

then you can say - did he just help, purely humanly, without any religious filling of this help?

I look at you freak on religion

[Yarosvet]

Quote: Alexander Romanov

I look at you freak on religion

What are you, Alexander - you and some other comrades’s freak, but I’m just analyzing this freak

[MG42]

Donations to flood victims
in the Krasnodar Territory in 2012

Moscow diocese sends donations
flood victims of the Krasnodar Territory

Fulfilling the blessing of His Holiness Patriarch Kirill of Moscow and All Russia, I appealed to the clergy, religious monks of the Moscow diocese to provide assistance to victims of the natural disaster in the Krasnodar Territory. July 15 and 22 this year plate monasteries were held in monasteries and churches of the diocese.

July 24 this year The order no. 622 12 951 242.17 rubles was transferred to the Synodal department for church charity and social ministry of the Russian Orthodox Church. These funds came from all who sacrificially responded to the grief of others.

I express my deep gratitude to all the donors and invoke God's Blessing upon them.

Donations continue to be received at the Diocesan Administration. All of them will be sent to provide targeted assistance to victims.

+ Juvenal,
Metropolitan of Krutitsky and Kolomna

Follow the link list >>>

http://www.blago-mepar.ru/social_service/dokumenty_otdela/moskovskaya_eparhiya_n

apravlyaet_pozhertvovaniya_postradavshim_ot_navodneniya_krasnodarskom_krae /

[Alexander Romanov]

Quote: MG42

Moscow diocese sends donations
flood victims of the Krasnodar Territory

This is called a man was interested, not just said!

[Yarosvet]

Quote: Alexander Romanov

This is called a man was interested, not just said!

This is called - the use of funds from the patriarchy, dioceses and parishes, that is, funds received from donors and the state.

[MG42]

Quote: Yarosvet

This is called - the use of the means of patriarchy, dioceses and parishes

You open the link and read the list ..

[Yarosvet]

This is the CALL OF THE DIOCESE, which voluntary-obligatory order they have, I do not know, therefore it is not necessary to speak about voluntary gratuitous help from personal funds to a specific person.
Again - they are collected in peace, and help under the auspices of the Russian Orthodox Church. This is not bad, but the fact that this is a kind of advertising campaign is also pointless to deny.

What catches the eye: the metropolitans and rectors have very good incomes, but no one allowed cars to donate to charity, and worshipers are not more than 10% on the list (offhand).

But the machine can be sold, and denyushku for a good cause ...

[MG42]

I don't know why I remembered the words of one person who has nothing to do with the Russian Orthodox Church, he said something like this >>> when you get into the limousine for the first time, you think about how cool it is when the second, third, tenth you perceive it as an ordinary means of transportation ..

[Yarosvet]

Correct words.

However, if there is no difference - why pay more, all the more so since a car at a price of 15-30 thousand cabbage rubles is now completely associated with a donkey.

[shpuntik]

Yarosvet (1) RU Today, 02:00 AM
By the way - do you know at least 1 case when a minister of worship would donate something to someone?

Here, one of the cases: in the St. Petersburg diocese there are sisterhoods of mercy. Moreover, it worked in parallel with the construction of the temple, and even now the temple has not yet been completely painted (inside), and the iconostasis is temporary.
http://www.dommil.com/we_help/
http://vk.com/dommiloserdia

[Yarosvet]

Quote: shpuntik

Here, one of the cases

All the same - the action of the organization under the auspices of the Russian Orthodox Church with the aim of recruiting and advertising, and acting as an intermediary between those who want to help and those who need help.

I’m talking about a specific worshiper who helps someone free of charge at his own expense - such a case is not presented by links.

[shpuntik]

Yarosvet (1) RU Today, 15:34 ↑ New I’m talking about a particular worshiper who helps someone free of charge at his own expense - such a case is not presented by links.

So here he is - in the photo, in the center :-) This is his money. All donations are distributed by the senior priest (archpriest) and the parish council (accountant, people who make a great contribution to the construction). Other priests from this church receive a salary, create their families and support them, etc.
Their work is in the service of God and people, and the Lord sends people with money. The priests do not go from door to door as "Jehovah's witnesses."
Further, even if the priest gives out of his pocket, he will not advertise, because he is forbidden: according to the word of our Lord Jesus Christ.

Continuing in the Sermon on the Mount to express His thoughts on the creation of alms, Jesus Christ said: “But when you give alms, let your left hand not know what the right hand is doing” (Matthew 6: 3).

http://azbyka.ru/hristianstvo/bibliya/novyi_zavet/nagornaya_propoved_70-all.shtm

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Many orphans are adopted, there are also 40 people.

[Yarosvet]

Quote: shpuntik

This is his money.

Oh oh Actually, this is the money of the donors and the state, which, as you rightly noted, are only distributed to them, including in favor of the clergy.

Their work is in the service of God and people, and the Lord sends people with money.

Such statements require justification that God exists, that they serve him, that they also serve people, that it is God who sends people with money (by the way - why not the almighty solve problems directly without money, or even directly give money - how does Allah do it regarding Kadyrov?).

The priests do not go from door to door like "Jehovah's Witnesses"

They don’t go, it’s hard for them, but they stand on the streets, they are present in the media, unsubstantiated statements allow themselves, they climb into all spheres of society (by the way - why do you write one of the names of your god with a small letter?).

even if the priest gives out of his pocket, he will not advertise, because he is forbidden: according to the word of our Lord Jesus Christ.

And it is also forbidden - "to collect treasures on the earth, where moth and rust destroy and where thieves break in and steal" (Matthew 6:19) - but somehow it does not help much.

Many orphans are adopted, there are also 40 people

I heard that there are more. But the orphans are openly imposed by this religious worldview, and they have to work in the "gardens" in such a way that even a person who is inclined to raising his own children through work becomes uncomfortable.

[Alekseir162]

Quote: S_mirnov

I have never seen a cash register in a church.

There really is no cash register in the church, it's true, but each church pays money for everything (water, electricity, heat), and the salaries of those who work in the church are quite large, believe me. And selling candles will not make you especially rich, and if it were not for people donating to churches it would be very difficult. Well, as for "fat priests on geldings", the family has its black sheep. And it is absolutely certain that there are very few of them, although this is the first thing that catches your eye. Especially if our liberal press is trying to make it out.

[Vadivak]

Quote: S_mirnov

What is the branch, in that the church does not pay taxes on commercial activities?

No need to replace the concept. commercial activity - this is the activity to ensure the sale of material assets, read Marx your beloved, then let dust in your eyes

[S_mirnov]

"Commercial activity is an activity to ensure the sale and purchase of inventory items," - well done, you made me! Indeed, the sale and purchase of spiritual values ​​was not considered by Marx. Marx never thought of that ...

[agbykov]

Pays. But not all and not always. In some cases, the law provides religious organizations with tax benefits. So, for example, in accordance with Art. 381 of the Tax Code (Tax Code of the Russian Federation) all religious organizations are exempt from paying property tax that they use to carry out religious activities. The benefit includes, in particular, the buildings of churches, synagogues, mosques and other objects intended for worship, as well as the buildings of seminaries, madrassas and other institutions of professional religious education. And in accordance with Art. 395 of the Tax Code of the Russian Federation religious organizations are also exempted from paying land tax for the site on which all the buildings, structures and structures of the above organizations are located.

In addition, when determining the tax base for corporate income tax, in accordance with Art. 251 of the Tax Code of the Russian Federation, incomes received in connection with the performance of religious rites and ceremonies and from the sale of religious literature and religious objects are not taken into account. Finally, such items and literature are not subject to VAT upon sale (Article 149 of the Tax Code of the Russian Federation). The same applies to religious ceremonies and other religious activities, as well as repair and restoration, conservation and restoration work of religious buildings and structures used by religious organizations.

But, for example, the law on transport tax does not provide benefits for religious organizations.

On a common basis, taxes are paid (income, transport, land, property) and clergy, regardless of affiliation to a particular denomination.

Regarding taxes: http://www.patriarchia.ru/db/document/158183/

[agbykov]

The meaning of separating the Church from the state is that the Church as instituteAs social organization, does not interfere in the internal affairs of the state. The Church, as the ship of Salvation, is not forbidden to fulfill its role.
Separation of the church from the state does not prohibit us from talking about Christianity and showing what it means to our people.

[agbykov]

And the state does not interfere in the internal affairs of the Church.

[Vadivak]

Quote: S_mirnov

And then what do they do in state kindergartens, schools, military schools, the army?

Schoolchildren take lunch

Quote: S_mirnov

And why the church did not fall under the law on NGOs? It turns out the church, a very commercial organization.

Love you to lie. No one exempted the Church from personal income tax, UST, contributions to the Pension Fund. And give free rein to you, you will collect taxes from any donations and God, it would be better if you were interested in offshore companies, where all your non-taxable audience is hanging out

[S_mirnov]

"It would be better if they were interested in offshore companies, your entire non-taxable audience hangs out there" all the oligarchs, friends of VVP and LADIES hang out there. So it's more yours! No wonder the LADY puffed boiling water during the events in Cyprus.

[Recon]

Quote: Vadivak

Already scream.

Just because you force me to make excuses is not clear why. Although that is me, really.

[Furnace driver]

Quote: Vadivak

excommunicated

the term is clearly not appropriate, given what concept the church implies in this word.

[Alexander Romanov]

Quote: Recon

Why is it worth only mentioning the notorious candy wrappers, a controversy about "counting millions" begins?

Sorry, didn’t you write this

Quote: Recon

2. There are too many temples and churches built. Can you imagine what huge funds are needed for this?

Quote: Recon

And to those who eat, they do good in silence

I agree, this is already publicity, so many of the powerful do this.

Quote: Recon

. As for the initiatives, this is the work of public figures.

But in kindergartens this is your initiative, so contact.

[Recon]

I will not apply, simply because it is not my profile. I'm just a military man. Cog system, pawn mode. Do you understand what I'm talking about? Everyone must do their job. Good night.

[Blackgrifon]

Quote: Recon

There are too many temples and churches built. Can you imagine what huge funds are needed for this? Why is it impossible to build church schools, almshouses, church shelters for the homeless, schools, hospitals, kindergartens in the end? And after all, all this can be under the wing and guardianship of the Church, right?

1. Almost all churches are built on the money of parishioners and in fact there are not so many of them - in many villages, towns and villages there are no churches.
2. When there is no Idea in the country that would hold all sectors of society together, there is a great chance that it will be replaced by currents / movements that fundamentally oppose the state. Remember how many sects are in the country now. And how many of them are annually recognized as extremist.

Quote: Eugene46

then here is the problem of the Russian Orthodox Church itself, which cannot make Orthodoxy attractive to the majority.

Eugene46! According to statistics (I will not name sources, all the information is in the same Wiki), the majority of Russian citizens are Orthodox.

Quote: Eugene46

My personal opinion is this - do not interfere with faith and politics. Our country is multiconfessional and we should not focus on Orthodoxy. Or select all denominations, or none. Something like this

There is no need to interfere with religion and politics - I agree. BUT it just so happened that the church and the state in Russia were ALWAYS connected with each other. The fact that practically no sources about the history of the state reached us until the end of 988 is not a "merit" of the church. Here we must say thanks to the Mongol-Tatars and the supporters of the German theory of the origin of the state in Russia. And then, if you want to give up the support of the ROC, then do not forget that no one in the southern regions will refuse to support Islam, just as our "friends" abroad will not refuse to support various movements.
In addition, almost all critics of the church, it is not about you, Eugene46, forget about the importance of the Russian Orthodox Church in the history of Russia. It was the centralization of the Church that made it easier for Moscow princes to unite fragmented principalities and the common population to fight the Golden Horde (for information, before the invasion of the Mongol-Tatars, the Church was inferior in number of believers to the supporters of the ancient Slavic pantheon). Significant assistance to the Church was felt during the appearance of other external threats - the Ottoman Empire, Napoleon, Nazi Germany. In order not to talk about the Russian Orthodox Church and about Orthodoxy, you need to understand that:
1. In any organization there are dishonest "employees" and the actions of individual representatives cannot say that the whole organization is bad.
2. The majority of Russians (both directly Russians and Ukrainians, Belarusians, Mordovians), in particular, and Slavs, in general, are Orthodox.

[Nick]

Quote: Recon

2. There are too many temples and churches built. Can you imagine what huge funds are needed for this? Why not

What do you mean "too much"? In my mother's homeland, in a village not far from Suzdal, there were two stone churches in a hundred courtyards, one with a bell tower. Is it a lot or a little? I think a lot of effort and money was spent by the villagers, especially considering that at the beginning of the 19th century everything was built by hand. Nevertheless, everyone lived well, in every yard there was a cow, a horse, or even two, two or three sheep, heels of pigs, chickens and geese were not counted. But the temples were destroyed and the village began to degrade quickly. If in the 60s and 70s life was still glimmering, then in the 80s, only old people remained in the village, and now only summer residents ...
I don’t know why it happened, for what reason ... Maybe because the temples were destroyed and God was rejected? ..

[S_mirnov]

"Maybe because the temples were destroyed and God was rejected? .." - and in our city people from hungry villages go to work, probably because churches have been built ?! And how many Caucasian nationalities have arrived! Probably they are looking for God here.
Do not get God into purely material, economic reasons.

[Nick]

Quote: S_mirnov

Do not get God into purely material, economic reasons.

Everything in this world is interconnected ...

[bomg.77]

Quote: Recon

2. Temples and churches built too much

For the Orthodox faith, it is not enough, but for the Orthodox Church and their current ministers, there are very many.

[S_mirnov]

See the root, however! +

[Alexander Romanov]

Author PLUS! If the apostates simply believed in their peruns or anyone else, but no, it’s probably impossible. Now you’ll come up and throw out all your anger and hatred, but there’s a big BUT. years and 1025 more times will be so much!

[Gregazov]

Last night a couple of scum beat our father Father Michael right under the windows of his house. Broke the jaw, closed head injury. I can say that I hate clergymen that there is no stomach for Father Mikhail, and at the same time he devotes a lot of time to missionary work, something like the late Sysoyev, who was killed right in the church by tolerant Muslims from a machine gun.

[Furnace driver]

Orthodoxy is much more than 1025 years old. no need to replace concepts. the church became Orthodox officially only under Stalin. and the Christian faith of the Orthodox began to be called under Nikon the schismatic. the Old Believers did not accept this and still call themselves Orthodox!

[Skiff-2]

Quote: Furnace Driver

and the Christian faith of the Orthodox began to be called under Nikon the schismatic. the Old Believers did not accept this and still call themselves Orthodox!

The Old Believers had just left for the schism and fled to the outskirts of the Empire, they did not have bishops, and soon the priests were transferred - there was no one to ordain. Nikon straightened out church books, correcting mistakes, clerical errors and incorrect translation from Greek - Russia (then the only Orthodox kingdom) was already shameful to use semi-literate translations in services, needed harmony and uniformity. Look at the Ukrainian schismatics how evil and mercenary they are ... and ridiculous in their tenacity ...

[Furnace driver]

that is, in your opinion, that he is not in business. Sorry, but with Russian I'm on you!

[Nick]

Quote: Furnace Driver

Orthodoxy is much more than 1025 years old. no need to replace concepts.

So you are replacing the notion. The article is not about the age of Orthodoxy, but about the 1025th anniversary of the baptism of Russia.

[Furnace driver]

Quote: Nick

So you are replacing the notion. The article is not about the age of Orthodoxy, but about the 1025th anniversary of the baptism of Russia.

I read carefully and if I would write about the article, then probably not in response to a post in which a person froze this nonsense. set you a minus for the carelessness due to which you accuse me of what I did not.

[Ruslan_F38]

“I like the proposal sounded earlier to make the day of the Baptism of Rus a public holiday. Celebrating it widely, people will slowly begin to delve into their history. And the media will, willingly or not, prepare something for this. Of course, the bulk of the media today they only mock and scoff at what is sacred to the people. But we, the Orthodox, know: the more they scoff, the stronger our faith. " - let them mock and mock, they are empty inside, because they do not believe in anything.

[Svobodny]

Quote: Ruslan_F38

“I like the proposal made earlier to make the day of the Baptism of Rus a public holiday.

Me too. See how the people celebrated the 1000th anniversary of the Baptism of Russia in 1988. 1988 became the real Second Baptism of Russia.
I advise everyone to look to broaden their horizons. Metropolitan Hilarion is a wonderful storyteller and, as it turned out, a talented director.

[Armata]

Quote: Ruslan_F38

I like the proposal made earlier to make the Day of the Baptism of Russia a public holiday

And what do we have only faithful Christians in Russia live?

Quote: Ruslan_F38

people will slowly begin to delve into their history. And the media will be free or not, but something to prepare for this. Of course, the main part of the media today only mock and mock what is holy to the people.

what are they mocking at? we have Christians in favor now, they are taking away territories from museums and hospitals, supposedly they used to be under churches and monasteries. Recently processed the former transit prison under the monastery of women. And they figured the center of the city, a vast territory. Museum of Local Lore on the street, T34 for a cut (well, this is a disgrace to the Christian sanctuary), where once the Decembrists were sitting declared the territory of the Novo Tikhvin Nunnery. And who after that wants forcibly to become a holiday?

[Alexander Romanov]

Quote: Mechanic

And what do we have only faithful Christians in Russia live?

Hi Zhenya, do you celebrate Christmas, but Easter? And if you pose the question like this, then do we have only atheists in the country living.

Quote: Mechanic

we have Christians in favor now, they are taking away territories from museums and hospitals, as if they used to be under churches and monasteries

What evil Christians you have, and by the way, without supposedly. Documents remained, and with regards to the hospital’s hospital, their native state has abbreviated them lately.

Quote: Mechanic

Recently processed the former transit prison under the convent of women.

A monastery is better than a prison or is it more convenient for you with prisoners \?

Quote: Mechanic

Museum of Local Lore on the street, T34 for cut

Again, the Church is to blame, but that your poor local government is unable to keep the tank or the authorities do not need it in FIG.

Quote: Mechanic

. And who after that wants forcibly to become a holiday?

And the New Year was not forced for you, or 1 of May? Eugene, once again I tell you, do not go into faith. Do not want do not celebrate!

[Armata]

Quote: Alexander Romanov

Hi Zhenya, do you celebrate Christmas, but Easter? And if you pose the question like this, then do we have only atheists in the country living.

Hi Sanya. Don’t you think that not only believers live with us? I don’t celebrate Easter and I don’t observe fasting.

Quote: Alexander Romanov

What evil Christians you have, and by the way, without supposedly. Documents remained, and with regards to the hospital’s hospital, their native state has abbreviated them lately.

http://sverdlovsk.vsedomarossii.ru/house/85842 вот госпиталь который сейчас хотят отмести.http://ekaterinburg.sutochno.ru/info/hrami_ekaterinburga А вот здесь посмотри как считают эти якобы "невесты христа" уже все вокруг своей территорией. Кстате там есть и все новострои с куполами на обратной у города территории.

Quote: Alexander Romanov

A monastery is better than a prison or is it more convenient for you with prisoners \?

So now the hospital is there, but they invite him to leave here http://66.ru/club/423/blog/17241/.

Quote: Alexander Romanov

And the New Year was not forced for you, or 1 of May? Eugene, once again I tell you, do not go into faith. Do not want do not celebrate!

No 1 of May for me is a holiday for all workers, not storytellers for decent loot. And the New Year has nothing to do with church holidays, do not confuse the warm with the fluffy.

[S_mirnov]

Well done Mechanic! I'll support you "+"!

[Vitaly Anisimov]

Of course, the bulk of the media today is only mocking and mocking what is holy to the people. But we, the Orthodox, know: the more they mock, the stronger our faith. Happy Orthodox!

[MG42]

Quote: Recon

There are too many temples and churches built. Can you imagine what huge funds are needed for this?

Orthodox churches do not interfere with anyone ..
Temples are built for sponsorship and donations from believers, when you go to the temple there is room to contribute for repairs and construction, as much as you can ..

[Vadivak]

Quote: MG42

Orthodox churches do not interfere with anyone ..

But why? Devils, for example, are sick of them.

[Armata]

Quote: Vadivak

Devils, for example, are sick of them.

I'm sick of their dominance. They demolish the monuments without a twinge of their cross conscience and supposedly put temples in a historical place (although he was standing across the street according to all the documents, but now there is an office center, so they took a place of rest for people) Or that Vadim think they dedicated their whole life to God, and not to gold taurus?

[Alexander Romanov]

Quote: Mechanic

I'm sick of their dominance.

Oh, what made you sick so much, but you don't live alone in Russia. Can you rush to Europe, there are now "grace" churches are closing, the crosses are being torn off, go ahead

[Armata]

Quote: Alexander Romanov

Oh, what made you sick so much, but you don't live alone in Russia. Can you rush to Europe, there are now "grace" churches are closing, the crosses are being torn off, go ahead

And for me on the drum. But here they are in complete expanse.

[Alexander Romanov]

Quote: Mechanic

And for me on the drum. But here they are in complete expanse.

0.5 rolled

[Vadivak]

Quote: Mechanic

Or what do you think Vadim thinks they have dedicated their whole life to God, and not to the golden calf?

You see, Eugene, once it was dangerous to be a Komsomol member and a communist, then it was honorable, and then profitable, also with the Russian Orthodox Church, which with the advent of Peter became an office, it’s a fact, but your statements relate to earthly people, and I, for example, pray in a church I don’t look at what kind of watch my father’s watch is.

Simply, everyone finds only what he can search.

[Armata]

Quote: Vadivak

Simply, everyone finds only what he can search.

Know Vdim I know how to search and get to the bottom of the truth. I see what they are doing with us like "fathers" and I see that I have only one god, my conscience. And now let's all rush to cross (at 90, the larger the cross, the closer to God) well, now they are all very close to him. And the priests go to their 3-storey marble crosses to sleep better.

[Furnace driver]

I do not pretend to be the truth in the last vein, but still I would like to note as a person who thinks, judging by your posts:
To deny that an infinitely whole universe is something reasonable is meaningless. The main thing is the understanding that you are an infinitesimal part of an infinitely whole, and even smaller infinitesimal parts of you are infinitely small parts of an infinitely whole, and that each of this infinitesimal part of an infinitely whole is dependent on both the infinitesimal part of an infinitesimal part of higher levels, so on an infinitely whole, and vice versa: an infinitely whole depends on all its infinitely small parts, regardless of the levels.

Thus, we get a complex system (according to the theory of complex systems), which lives according to the laws of synergy (movement from one edge to another - the desire for harmony).

And conscience is a set, a system of concepts laid down from birth, for example, concepts such as beauty, an ideal are given from birth ... this set can be replenished, subjected to changes depending on the environmental impact on the emerging personality.

Unfortunately, not everyone was given the opportunity from birth to separate the grain from the chaff ... In fact, the church should play the role of a stabilizer of moral values ​​for such people, so as to poison them from chaos and base passions. Other such capable and reaching for an understanding of the essence of things such a guardianship is unnecessary.

This is the nature of things: from birth, about 15% of mice out of 100, about 15% of fish out of 100, about 15% of people out of 100 are "dumb"; about 65% is neither this nor that; the rest are capable of thinking. If with the help of a developed society among people, the percentage ratio can be straightened to a more acceptable one, then this is great. But what we notice is that hierarchs (even religious, albeit political) strive on the contrary to regress in people, because it is easier to rule with ignorant people than thinking people.

[Vadivak]

Quote: Mechanic

I see what they are doing with us like "fathers" and I see that I have only one god left, my conscience

That's what I wrote about, you don’t see God for those priests (who wouldn’t interfere with going to church).

[MG42]

Quote: Mechanic

I'm sick of their dominance.

The sounds of one church bell represent something sublime, solemn; and if the ringing of several bells more or less coordinated among themselves is heard, then an even more magnificent euphony occurs.

The powerful bell ringing, acting on our inner feeling, awakens our souls from the spiritual sleep. It is said that demons scatter from the sound of church bells, and with them all human misfortunes. So, in the blows of the church bell, a marvelous force hides, penetrating deeply into the hearts of men.

The fact that bell ringing kills microbes and bacteria, expels rodents, has been known in Russia for a long time, but only now scientists have realized that this is due to the ultrasound emitted by the sounding bells. Small doses of ultrasound are now widely used in the food industry. The ultrasonic spectrum (more than 25 Hz), with its competent therapeutic use, accelerates the treatment of infectious diseases and enhances human immunity.

Note. Scientists have found that the activity of microbes that have “overheard” bell ringing falls by an average of 40% (the secret of this lies in the ultrasound emitted by the sounding bells).

It is known that ringleaders do not suffer from colds.

Completely here >>>
http://www.lightreiki.org/forum/119-3203-1

[Armata]

Quote: MG42

Completely here >>>

in xnumx church quarters. the bells just zadolbali already ringing. Only the wife was both sick and sick, and someone else’s problems do not go away (apparently we have devils, mutants, they are not afraid of them). So no big words.

[MG42]

Quote: Mechanic

2 blocks church. the bells are just sick of ringing

There are about 80 mosques in Indonesia, and many of them use loudspeakers to broadcast azan, recite the Qur'an, and preach. During Ramadan, some mosques spend days broadcasting through the speakers, causing great inconvenience to residents of nearby neighborhoods - they interfere with sleeping for children, and cause discomfort to the elderly, sick and people with insomnia.

http://www.ansar.ru/sobcor/2013/05/30/41151

And on the contrary, we were looking for an apartment to buy so that it was not far from the Orthodox Church, but we did not find it at that moment, and the deadlines were urging us to move ..

Quote: Mechanic

Only the wife was both sick and sick, and even someone’s problems do not go away (apparently we have devils, mutants, they are not afraid of them).

A person cannot be cured if he does not want to ..

[Pashhenko Nikolay]

Quote: Alexander Romanov

.Now come up and throw out all your anger and hatred, but there is a big BUT

I wonder why you dear Alexander Romanov took it that everyone who does not support your religious views necessarily have anger and hatred towards you personally or to believers in general? I am an atheist, but I treat believers with understanding and do not understand why you put a label on me and me such evil haters. In the end, I have the right to my own worldview?

[Alexander Romanov]

Quote: Pashhenko Nikolay

It’s interesting why you, dear Alexander Romanov, took it that everyone who doesn’t support your religious views will necessarily feel anger and hatred towards you personally or to believers in general

I read the comments of these people, I read that they write to me in PM. I see their minuses, which they put in retaliation for the warning issued related to rudeness or something else.

Quote: Pashhenko Nikolay

I am an atheist, but I treat believers with understanding and don’t understand why you are labeling me and similar evil haters.

There are many atheists and many of them either simply bypass religious articles or are treated with respect. We are talking about others whose Orthodoxy causes heartburn.

[Vadivak]

Quote: Pashhenko Nikolay

I am an atheist, but I have an understanding of believers

I wonder what this attitude is expressed in. I ask without irony

[MG42]

Quote: Vadivak

I wonder what this attitude is expressed in.

Vadim, today c <understand> refer to believers, but yesterday there was <sympathy>

http://topwar.ru/31356-kreschenie-rusi-nachalo-i-osnova-rossiyskogo-gosudarstva.

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[Ruslan_F38]

Quote: MG42

Quote: Vadivak

I wonder what this attitude is expressed in.

Vadim, today c <understand> refer to believers, but yesterday there was <sympathy>

http://topwar.ru/31356-kreschenie-rusi-nachalo-i-osnova-rossiyskogo-gosudarstva.


html

Yesterday I participated in the "discussion" you indicated - so much hatred, disrespect for believers, so much internal emptiness and indifference I have not met for a long time. Where does so much anger towards Christianity and believers come from? I don’t understand. Maybe from the lack of freedom of religion in Soviet Russia.

[MG42]

Quote: Ruslan_F38

Participated yesterday in the "discussion" you specified

Yes, I saw a lot of minuses you were told by <opponents> ..

Quote: Ruslan_F38

so much hatred, disrespect for believers, so much inner emptiness and indifference have not met for a long time.

Today, the discussion in a calmer way turned out .. Maybe because for 2 days in a row the branches are similar ..

[Rakti-kali]

The holiday is undoubtedly good. It’s just impossible to make it state, as some suggest, in any case, because then public holidays will have to make Islamic day in Russia, the day of the all-blessing Buddha in Russia, the day of the Hindu in Russia, the day of the Jew in Russia, as well as the days of shamanism, animism and other isms. And who will be against this variety, if you please pay money or go to a public institution, because you can not insult the feelings of believers.

[agbykov]

Your statement that "the day of Islam in Russia, the day of the teachings of the all-good Buddha in Russia, the day of the Hindu in Russia, the day of the Jew in Russia, as well as the days of shamanism, animism and other -isms" would have to be made public holidays, would be true if the mentioned you religions have had the same (or even comparable) impact on our Russian civilization. And if not, then be a democrat - recognize the right of the majority.

[Rakti-kali]

Quote: agbykov

if the religions you mentioned had the same (or at least even comparable) influence on our Russian civilization. And if not, then be a democrat - recognize the right of the majority.

Come on? Muslims, Buddhists, Jews, shamanists, animists did not have any influence on the Russian culture? Can you prove this possible thesis? Or Khanate of Kazan, Astrakhan, Crimean is an empty phrase in the history of Russia? And Siberia (those same animists and shamanists) is probably an insignificant phenomenon in the history of Russia?
There is no need here to faithfully portray believers. Not according to words, but we are judged according to deeds.
Py. Sy. And the ending is ... accepted now ... And believers are not only Christians.

[agbykov]

I did not claim that they had no influence. I argued that the influence of Orthodoxy was and is disproportionately large.

[seller trucks]

and I was amused by the news of how, at the celebration of Epiphany in Kiev, the schismatic and deceiver, rector of the UOC UP Filaret, was cheated. Patriarch Cyril, handsome.

[Pashhenko Nikolay]

Quote: Alexander Romanov

. I see their drawbacks, which put in retaliation for the warning posed related to rudeness or something else.

I will not hide the minuses, and I put the article to you because I believe that both the article and you are promoting Orthodoxy, which in my opinion is not entirely appropriate on the military-patriotic website. After all, do we have patriots of all faiths in our country?

[Alexander Romanov]

Quote: Pashhenko Nikolay

I will not hide the minuses and I put the article to you because I believe that both the article and you are promoting Orthodoxy, which in my opinion is not entirely appropriate on the military-patriotic site.

Yes, I saw your minus, there is a desire to put it even before the lantern. With regards to the place, this is not the place .. At least when it comes to patriotism, there are not a few patrites in our country Orthodox, not a few soldiers and officers Orthodox and with sincere faith. Orthodoxy is part of our country, part of the people, part of culture, an integral part!
As for your opinion, what is appropriate and what is not. Open your sites and there you will consider what is appropriate and what is not. The administration of the site considers it appropriate!

Quote: Pashhenko Nikolay

.After all, in our country are patriots of all faiths?

Yes, to you that before this, you are an atheist, and representatives of other faiths will speak for themselves, without your help. By the way, there were no complaints from other faiths, only from pagans and atheists, as it is not strange.

[dmb]

Dear A. Romanov, how do you assess the statement of Mr. Sanul at 15:32? In my opinion, it is not much different from what follows from your side "a warning set connected with rudeness or something else." I'm not even talking about the closeness of this gentleman, for so far he lives exclusively at the expense of that. which was built on the ideas and under the leadership of the communists.

[Alexander Romanov]

Quote: dmb

I'm not talking about the nearness of this gentleman, because while he lives solely due to that. what was built on the ideas and under the leadership of the communists.

But it’s not how I don’t evaluate it, I wrote it as part of the rules. Regarding communist ideas, that is, on S-Mirnov’s website, all his comments are built on that. I’ve been asking him for a photo of the American base in Ulyanovsk for three days. but there is a base, he seems to know for sure

[dmb]

But in vain. I'm not at all about your duty as a moderator. there are at least a dozen gentlemen on the site who not only claim that Orthodoxy is good, this position is quite understandable and respected, but these gentlemen are trying to humiliate everyone else and show that they are "Chetlan". (although sometimes they are not very literate, and all the other “pats” are only because they are Orthodox, and all the others are not. For some reason, just such associations in me, as well as in others, was caused by your passage about “splashed out anger”.

[agbykov]

Please give specific examples, do not need a dozen, at least a few gentlemen who tried to humiliate you and people like you.

[Gregazov]

There are no atheists in the trenches

[grafrozow]

Quote: GregAzov

There are no atheists in the trenches

In prison, too, when we speak poorly, Lord help me ..

[Furnace driver]

me as an Orthodox, such fanatics from religion as you are, to put it mildly, alarming.
but the Orthodox are okay: these, even in our country, are not involved in terrorism, but the trouble with the Islamists ...

[Force 83]

I agree that Buddhists or Catholics or Jews, too, are patriots, but not Muslims. This is how she remained the 5th colony, and apart from the Turks and Arabs and generally any Muslim countries, they have no friends. All the rest are enemies for them.

[Vadivak]

Quote: Pashhenko Nikolay

which, in my opinion, is not entirely appropriate on a military-patriotic website. Do we have patriots of all faiths in our country?

From a historical point of view, you are wrong, it was the Christian rulers and soldiers who multiplied Russia with lands and repulsed attacks, oddly enough even the great Georgian was from seminarians

[KazaK Bo]

Yesterday I participated in the procession ... Several thousand people walked through the center of Krasnodar from Catherine’s Cathedral to St. Al. NEVSKY. I can’t say that they were fanatics and exalted adherents of the faith. They were ordinary residents of the city ... from representatives of the marginalized strata, the working people, the intelligentsia, to established and self-sufficient businessmen. Together with the old women there were children, youth, a generation of 40-50 year old wise life. The composition of those who walked was very different ... but all of them were united by the Orthodox faith!
The unity of thoughts, deeds, common guidelines for motivating our life’s journey — that’s what we are lacking in the turbulent stream of life's ups and downs. It will be, ... it may be less theft and ... fraud ... killings ... maybe our thoughts will be cleaner ... But for this we need to believe ... and we still only believe ... t e. - the canons of Orthodoxy have not become decisive in our everyday life.

[Sanyl]

The holiday is good. Only our priests rave again:

That is, the Baptism of Russia went on for 900 years, and then the invasion of the communist infection threw our country decades ago. In the battle with her, we lost hundreds of millions of people, but, as always, saved Europe: first from the Mongols, then from the Communists. This is the role of our people.

Why does our church, not faith, namely the church, believe that this people lives for it, and not the church exists for the people?

[maxvik]

Quote: Sanyl

Only our priests rave again:

Please tell me how many priests have you personally communicated? Why such a harsh diagnosis?

[Sanyl]

I meant the author of the quotation from the article - Metropolitan Hilarion, who spoke about the "communist infection".
As well as the Russian Orthodox Church, which in the 90s lived by importing into the country poison in the form of alcohol and cigarettes from abroad.

[maxvik]

Well, and then all the "priests", but they are also different and also love Russia.
And on the import of alcohol and cigarettes there is such a version:
these were the benefits that were in force from the beginning of 1996 to November 4, 1996. Canceled at the request of Patriarch Alexy II. They were also used by the Russian Fund for the Disabled in the War in Afghanistan, the National Sports Fund, and the 50th Anniversary of Victory Fund.

[agbykov]

Where did you find the statement that "the church believes that the people live for her" ???

[Vadivak]

Quote: Sanyl

, and then the invasion of the communist infection threw our country decades back.

Under the ax the church was put by the tsar reformer, and under the Germans (in which state is the king-instructor possible?) What Orthodoxy? But under the Communists, those who went there except the persecution didn’t shine as ministers

[Yuri Y.]

Quote: Alexander Romanov

There are many atheists, and many of them either simply bypass religious articles or are treated with respect

I can’t get past articles about the baptism of Russia, because I consider it a very important date in our history. I believe that it was thanks to Orthodoxy and the church that the people maintained sufficient unity to build such a state as Russia. Nobody argues that the story was before baptism, but it was after him that Russian statehood and strength began to grow. Therefore, this article can also be published on this site. If we talk about other faiths, it seems to me that a normal person will not mind if in Kazan, for example, they will celebrate the day of the adoption of Islam. Here I like the words of GDP about Russians and Tatars: we grew up together.

[Alexander Romanov]

Quote: Yuri Ya.

. If we talk about other faiths, it seems to me that a normal person will not mind if in Kazan, for example, they will celebrate the day of the adoption of Islam.

You know, the Orthodox do not use faith to elevate themselves above others, the Islamists will do it right away. Not long ago, they demanded to remove the symbols of Orthodoxy from the coat of arms of Russia. Faith must have patience, but they do not have this patience and respect for others. You can argue for a long time, but I think it's well known how the representatives of different religions behave.
Putin’s words, rather a reminder of the youth, that they would remember. We and Ukraine have been together for 1000 years

[Evgeniy46]

Quote: Alexander Romanov

We have been together with Ukraine for 1000 years

plus another fifteen hundred years - you won’t be mistaken

[NEMO]

Arrangement of the canonical territory of the Russian Orthodox Church since July 16, 2013
Canonical territory: most b. USSR (Russia, Ukraine, Belarus, Moldova, Azerbaijan, Kazakhstan, Kyrgyzstan, Latvia, Lithuania, Tajikistan, Turkmenistan, Uzbekistan, Estonia), China, Japan; in the "diaspora" it is most represented in Germany, the USA, France; it also operates in other countries of Western Europe, North America, South America, Asia and New Zealand; in the canonical territory of other local Churches is in charge of a number of missions and other institutions
Look at the map (clickable) and the title of the article will become clear, thanks to the author

[MG42]

In Ukraine there is the UOC-MP

official site

http://orthodox.org.ua/ru

His Beatitude VLADIMIR, Metropolitan of Kiev and All Ukraine, Primate of the Ukrainian Orthodox Church
In the world - Victor Markanovich Sabodan

===========================================

But there are schismatics of the UOC-KP that are not recognized by the MP

official site

http://www.cerkva.info/ru/web-sites/site-uoc-kp.html

<His Holiness Patriarch of Kiev and All Russia-Ukraine FILARET> (in the world - Mikhail Antonovich Denisenko)
Filaret recently spoke on the news about the alleged desire to form a Ukrainian local church

Ukrainian-language video >>>

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YXHaOBxm2yE

[MG42]

Patriarch Filaret and his six hundredth Mercedes with special. number <777>

[studentmati]

Quote: MG42

Patriarch Filaret and his six hundredth Mercedes with special. number <777>

Random match of numbers! Fortunately, not 666!

[MG42]

Quote: studentmati

Fortunately, not 666!

This is the number of the beast, although I do not sympathize with Filaret, but still it is <bad humor> ..

[studentmati]

Quote: MG42

This is the number of the beast, although I do not sympathize with Filaret, but still it is <bad humor> ..

I do not strive to "humor". The first thing that saddens is the use of a foreign car industry, and the second is that persons with such a status, in their conscience, must move, as a rule, without "special" identification marks! Why emphasize your status, if by definition you are already STATUS?

[MG42]

Quote: studentmati

The first thing that upsets is the use of a foreign car industry

In Ukraine, they only produce and "Tavria", so this is a worthy car for taxi drivers ..

Quote: studentmati

and the second is that persons with such a status should, in their conscience, move, as a rule, without "special" identification marks!

secrets of Ukrainian numbers >>>
http://www.pink.com.ua/?n=958446

[studentmati]

Quote: MG42

secrets of Ukrainian numbers >>>

It happens!!!

[Yarosvet]

Quote: MG42

Patriarch Filaret and his six hundredth Mercedes with special. number

Our cooler

[studentmati]

Beautiful in all plans of a car !!! What to do? status obliges !!! if only for the glory of the Fatherland !!! I respect Cyril !!!

[Yarosvet]

Quote: studentmati

status obliges !!! if only for the glory of the Fatherland !!!

And where is the glory of the Fatherland? More like a dubbing.
And the status of Cyril has nothing to do with the Fatherland.

[studentmati]

Quote: Yarosvet

And the status of Cyril has nothing to do with the Fatherland.

Let me disagree with you!

Discarding all status, religious and political affiliation, I consider Kirill to be an intelligent, literate and educated person and citizen, because he communicated with him "live" ...

[Yarosvet]

Quote: studentmati

Let me disagree with you!

Discarding all status, religious and political affiliation, I consider Kirill to be an intelligent, literate and educated person and citizen, because he communicated with him "live" ...

Alexander, but what exactly do you disagree with?

I haven’t written anywhere that he is a stupid, illiterate, uneducated non-citizen. I argued that his status was not related to the Fatherland.
Why, for some reason, do you discard what I claimed and disagree with what I did not say - how is that?

And by the way - why "live" in quotes?

[studentmati]

Quote: Yarosvet

Cyril’s status has nothing to do with the Fatherland.

I do not understand this phrase?

[Yarosvet]

Quote: studentmati

I do not understand this phrase?

Well, of course - you write that "the status obliges, if only for the glory of the Fatherland."
That is, let him move on such cars, since his status obliges him to this (I wonder why his status would oblige him to do this), the main thing is that this movement on such cars should be to the glory of the Fatherland.

However, the status of Cyril is in no way connected either with the fatherland, or with the state, or with the country - it is associated with a particular denomination of a particular religion. And as a result - his movement on any vehicle (at least on the armored train on which he arrived in Kiev) also has nothing to do with the glory of the Fatherland.

[studentmati]

Quote: Yarosvet

However, the status of Cyril is in no way connected either with the fatherland, or with the state, or with the country - it is associated with a particular denomination of a particular religion. And as a result - his movement on any vehicle (at least on the armored train on which he arrived in Kiev) also has nothing to do with the glory of the Fatherland.

The status of Cyril is directly related to the Fatherland !!! Cyril is the specific leader of a particular denomination in a particular State, preaching a particular religion for more than 1025 years!

The country is multiconfessional - I agree!

Cyril is the object of protection of the FSO. This is about an armored train, although it was an ordinary train ...

The proof to the contrary, you, dear, did not show any evidence!

[Yarosvet]

Quote: studentmati

The status of Cyril is directly related to the Fatherland !!!

How so?

Cyril is the specific leader of a particular denomination in a particular State, preaching a particular religion for more than 1025 years!

Great - is this religion a state religion?

The country is multiconfessional - I agree!

That's right, besides the secular state - therefore, no religion, denomination and their heads have state status.

Cyril is the object of protection of the FSO.

True, and this is a violation - both legal and dogmatic.

This is about an armored train, although it was an ordinary train ...
The proof to the contrary, you, dear, did not show any evidence!

And I can’t imagine - for what I bought, for that I sell it - the media is full of things.

[studentmati]

I'm leaving the argument. Thanks for your attention!

[Yarosvet]

Well - good luck to you.

[Alexander Romanov]

Quote: Yarosvet

And the status of Cyril has nothing to do with the Fatherland.

Maybe it’s not yours, but it’s to Russia! How would you not like that!

[Yarosvet]

Quote: Alexander Romanov

but it has to Russia!

What kind?

[Yarosvet]

And this is the Serbian patriarch - Paul, who said: "If the bishops, knowing the Savior's commandment about non-covetousness, have such machines, then what kind of machines would they have if this commandment was not there?"

[studentmati]

Quote: Yarosvet

And this is the Serbian Patriarch ... the Savior's commandment about non-acquisitiveness .... "[/ b]

The true face appears here ....

[Standard Oil]

But isn’t our church separated from the state? If so, how can a church holiday be a state holiday? And if not, then why is it a pretense and contradictions in article 14 of the constitution? Now I will be banned or banned, but in my opinion the church is not separated from state, and from taxes.

[agbykov]

In my opinion, it is more correct to say that a public holiday can also be a church holiday. There is no violation of the Constitution here.
Separation of the church from the state does not prohibit us from talking about Christianity and showing what it means to our people.

[maxvik]

As soon as the believers or the church proposes any changes, everyone says that we have a secular state and the church should not interfere in state affairs.
You use manipulation, namely the substitution of concepts. To offer and do something does not mean violating secularism.
It is in Russia that the church is separated from the state, because priests do not receive salaries from the state and there is no tax in favor of the church.
But you forget that Orthodox believers in Russia are more than a third of the population. But what about their rights?

[Alexander Romanov]

Quote: maxvik

everyone says that we have a secular state and the church should not interfere in state affairs

Well, not all, although Hitler thought so. Yes, and many Western politicians are now shouting the same thing at every corner, but everyone knows what this leads to.

[Alexander Romanov]

Quote: Standard Oil

Now they will bury me or ban me,

And what did you write to ban you?

Quote: Standard Oil

If so, how can a church holiday be a state holiday?

Orthodoxy is the only thing that now unites people in the entire post-Soviet space. How it will be, it will be so.

[agbykov]

The meaning of separating the Church from the state is that the Church as an institution, as a public organization, does not interfere in the internal affairs of the state. And the state does not interfere in the internal affairs of the Church. This does not mean that some kind of barrier exists.

[agbykov]

"And open the Tax Code? No one has exempted personal income tax, UST, contributions to the PF. Income tax does not take into account the following income: property (including cash) and (or) property rights received by religious organizations to carry out statutory activities; type of property (including monetary funds) and (or) property rights received by a religious organization in connection with the performance of religious rituals and ceremonies and from the sale of religious literature and religious items Property tax - only in respect of objects of religious significance VAT: Not subject to taxation (exempt from taxation) on the territory of operation: sale (transfer for their own needs) of religious objects and religious literature (in accordance with the list approved by the Government of the Russian Federation on the proposal of religious organizations (associations) produced by religious organizations (associations) and organizations, the only founders (at private owners) of which are religious organizations (associations), and realized by these or other religious organizations (associations) and organizations, the only founders (participants) of which are religious organizations (associations), within the framework of religious activities, with the exception of excisable goods and mineral raw materials, and also the organization and conduct of religious rites, ceremonies, prayer meetings or other cult activities by these organizations. Property tax: Religious organizations are exempted in relation to property used by them to carry out religious activities.
Land tax - exempt from payment of religious organizations - in relation to their land plots on which buildings, structures and structures for religious and charitable purposes are located "- http://ustav.livejournal.com/913089.html

On a common basis, taxes are paid (income, transport, land, property) and clergy, regardless of affiliation to a particular denomination.

Also see http://www.patriarchia.ru/db/document/158183/

[Standard Oil]

Bypassing all of the above, this is how for me it should be, a person woke up in the morning, looked at the calendar, so today is the anniversary of the Baptism of Rus, I’ll go to church beautifully, I’ll rejoice for brothers in faith I. July 28, day like day, nothing special and went about his business. The state here, religion here neither the state controls the church like in China, nor the church climbs into the state with its own initiatives, such as interfering with the school curriculum or introducing church holidays into state holidays. In the end, Russia existed before baptism and existed in the same way after it, explain what happened to people after they were baptized? Did they get +10 to dexterity, or +30 to defense? The princes both cut each other and cut, how there were maniacs and remained, the Mongols went through like a knife through butter and religion did not help either Russia or the West, because both were defeated and either paid tribute directly or indirectly like Novgorod. I honestly tried for a very long time to understand why If it gave any clear advantages, I do not see them because Vera itself can hardly be an assistant, in any case, under Khattin, faith did not help the army of the Kingdom of Jerusalem to defeat Saladin, and in fact they even have like the cross on which Jesus himself was crucified. Although Christianity had one advantage, it helped to keep the common people in check, when the king is God's anointed on earth, and an ordinary peasant was hammered into his head since childhood, don't you dare murmur, for the king himself God issued a mandate! I don't know how many have read Edward Gibbon and his story "The Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire" so there is a good phrase that "In those days, for people the authority was either the secular government, or the church, which could act as a defender of the simple people from the tyranny of the secular authorities, but too often the flags of the church were flown on the side of those in power. "Respectfully.

[Vadivak]

Quote: Standard Oil

Now they will bury me or ban me, but in my opinion the church is not separated from the state, but from taxes.

Boris, you're wrong. You can come to me too.


Any religious community (Orthodox, Muslim, Catholic, Protestant, Jewish, etc.) is a public organization whose purpose is to satisfy the spiritual needs of people, it is registered in the justice department or in the tax. Therefore, it pays taxes, as a non-profit autonomous organization: property tax, income tax (if it is engaged in entrepreneurial activity: publishing, selling religious literature and paraphernalia) .... also UST, if there are employees. In addition, reports are also submitted to the tax authorities.


Laws on political parties and religious organizations, on non-profit bodies

Sincerely.

[Standard Oil]

Income tax does not include the following incomes: property (including cash) and (or) property rights received by religious organizations to carry out statutory activities; type of property (including money) and (or) property rights that are received by a religious organization in connection with the performance of religious rites and ceremonies and from the sale of religious literature and religious objects. Property tax - only in relation to objects of religious significance. VAT: Not subject to taxation (exempt from taxation) on the territory of the operation: sale (transfer for own needs) of religious objects and religious literature (in accordance with the list approved by the Government of the Russian Federation on the proposal of religious organizations (associations) produced by religious organizations (associations) and organizations, the sole founders (participants) of which are religious organizations (associations), and implemented by these or other religious organizations (associations) and organizations, whose sole founders (participants) are religious organizations (associations), in the framework of religious activities, excluding excisable goods and minerals, as well as the organization and conduct of religious ceremonies, ceremonies, prayer meetings or other religious activities by the specified organizations Tax on property: religious organizations are exempted - in relation to property used by him and for religious activities.
Land tax - religious organizations are exempted from payment - in relation to their land plots on which buildings, structures and structures of religious and charitable purposes are located. The tax code is by the way.
Can you imagine what scope for fraud?

[Egoza]

The holiday was good. The people celebrated heartily. What pleased me was that Svoboda did not succeed in disrupting the prayer service on Vladimirskaya Gorka, and amused the incident among the artists. Although personally I am on the artist's side in this case
"In the art and museum center" Mystetskiy Arsenal ", where today with the participation of President Viktor Yanukovych, Patriarch Filaret and Metropolitan Volodymyr the opening of the exhibition" The Great and the Majestic "took place, a scandal erupted. : The Last Judgment ", which depicted judges, priests and deputies boiling in a cauldron, drunken majors driving, as well as the events in Vradiyevka and the theme of Chernobyl. LIGABiznesInform writes about this."

[MG42]

On this day, churches of the Russian Orthodox Church were united by a wave of bell ringing - several thousand churches simultaneously celebrated the holiday with a special 15-minute chime.

[rereture]

What can we say about people who 30-40 years ago were atheists, if they so quickly switched to "faith", then will they not switch in their other opinions and preferences, for example, at the expense of their homeland?

[maxvik]

I don’t understand what conclusion?
All overstepped in advance to shoot ??))

[rereture]

Output? Is it possible to trust such people. I think no.

[agbykov]

This is how not to trust the sight of a blind man ...
see Gospel of John, chap. 9 http://www.patriarchia.ru/bible/jn/9/

[Alexander Romanov]

Quote: rereture

Output? Is it possible to trust such people. I think no.

And it’s not your atheists who ruined the USSR, headed by Gorbaty. Here there was a field of atheism and sold everything and everyone.

[maxvik]

Do not trust everyone directly? Without exception?
And if not for everyone, then how to sort them and who will do it?
But do people have the right to change their minds, to change at all?
Or if he changed his mind in something, is that all, a potential traitor?

[grafrozow]

Quote: rereture

Output? Is it possible to trust such people. I think no.

Who did not fall, that did not rise. Let everyone hang up or shoot him for his mistake. Who will? Name at least one person who has lived a life and never made a mistake.

[Alexander Romanov]

Quote: rereture

if they so quickly switched to "faith"

You can’t switch over to faith, you can only accept it!

[grafrozow]

Quote: rereture

What can we say about people who 30-40 years ago were atheists, if they so quickly switched to "faith", then will they not switch in their other opinions and preferences, for example, at the expense of their homeland?

Do you know what confession is? If a person came to church and repented, there is a hope that he realized his sin and will not repeat it again. This is bad?

[Vitaly Anisimov]

I’m baptized Orthodox (baptized in my mature years with my son) I won’t call myself a good believer .. fasting, etc. I don’t observe it .. but in my heart I am Orthodox ... Now there are attacks on the Russian Orthodox Church .. trying to bring confusion to the souls of Orthodox .. And it goes on many sites and in the media .. And it’s not without reason that Orthodoxy see the foundation of Russia and this core is being bitten by the media of both ours and Western ones .. The most annoying thing is that this info war is going on on the patriotic site .. (Alexander Romanov, thank you. . that you do not let picking in our souls ..) noticed as soon as the topic was opened by Orthodoxy (on the idea of ​​this topic just congratulated each other on a great date) but no crow came and pecking .. they begin to croak .. I wrote from the heart it’s just insulting. .Once again with the holiday Orthodox Russia!The very word LawGlory speaks for itself ..

[maxvik]

Thanks, mutual!

[Alexanderlaskov]

It is incomprehensible the negative attitude of many to the strengthening of the influence of the church. Everyone seems to agree that Russia should have a great goal, an idea. Which would unite our country and not only it. Orthodoxy in Ukraine, Belarus, Georgia, Syria and other countries. Many unbelievers recognize the moral power of the commandments. Happy holiday!

[Vadivak]

Quote: Alexanderlaskov

Many unbelievers recognize the moral power of the commandments.

Commandments, because they forbid filth. So the Europeans began the fight against Christianity, and they decompose our citizens, by any means, though Europe will soon be Muslim, like France and England, and instead of the commandments they will still have another holy book - the Quran

[soldier's grandson]

the article says that the communist infection threw the country back decades and that in the battle with it they lost hundreds of millions of people, who lost it? I don’t understand the West?

[grafrozow]

Quote: Soldier's grandson

the article says that the communist infection threw the country back decades and that in the battle with it they lost hundreds of millions of people, who lost it? I don’t understand the West?

Read the passage to the end, and re-read it again, thoughtfully.

[Standard Oil]

Finally, I’ll deflate the 203 mm howitzer in the face of the Gibbon already quoted by me, in the form of its quote:
“Religion is regarded by ordinary people as truth, smart people - as a lie, and rulers - as usefulness.” I would like to ask the respected defenders, but you don’t notice that for you there is only black and white, you can quote the Chekhov Chamber No. 6 ", but I will not, because those who know will understand me, but let the ignorant go and read the classics.
PS Minus did not read Chekhov!

[agbykov]

Regarding the phrase of Gibbon: a proud, but, alas, not smart person could say that (although he wrote himself in smart ones :)).

[agbykov]

Not black and white. It is like a debate between the sighted and the hearing with the blind and deaf about how the world around looks.

See the reason for blindness and deafness in verses 11-15 Ch. 13 Gospel of Matthew:
11 He answered them: for what is given to you to know the secrets of the Kingdom of Heaven, but not given to them,
12 For he who has, it will be given to him and will increase; but he who does not have, that which has also will be taken away;
13 therefore I speak to them in parables, because when they see they do not see, and when they hear they do not hear, and do not understand;
14 and the prophecy of Isaiah comes true over them, which says: hear with your hearing - and you will not understand, and with your eyes you will see - and you will not see
15 For the heart of these people has become coarser and they can hardly hear with their ears, and they have closed their eyes, that they may not see with their eyes and hear with their ears, and that they cannot understand with their hearts, and that they will not turn, that I may heal them.

[grafrozow]

Quote: Standard Oil

Finally, I’ll deflate a 203 mm howitzer

In fact, the 203mm howitzer was pulled by the Stalinets tractor.

[Vadivak]

Quote: Standard Oil

"Religion is regarded by ordinary people as true, clever - as a lie,

Fighting according to your logic, if religion says don’t steal, don’t commit adultery, don’t want it, does the smart one do the opposite? That's what I see how smart people steal from us without a twinge of conscience, while ordinary people pay taxes. Religion puts the mind in the framework, and the mind does not want to be within, it seeks freedom and finds the devil. Understand Borya the end of the world will be, and not because the sun goes out, but because a mind free from God will find a way to kill life on earth

[Standard Oil]

And why can't you just live without stealing without indulging in debauchery, and at the same time not believing in God? How many murderers and maniacs were atheists? And how many Christians? No one knows, and never will. Here I saw our "beloved" at various church holidays "Serdyukov stood in the church, humbly baptized himself, and with the other hand robbed the country, and how many people like him still go to church, and then teach us how to live? And our patriarch, who wears a watch like a hundred of my salaries and rides on a Mersey with an escort and flashing lights, is this normal? I have never considered myself an atheist, and I consider myself a Christian, but I do not want to have anything to do with Orthodoxy or Catholicism, because both are mired in vice and this can be seen with the naked eye, I do not impose my point on anyone view, I just have illusions about Christian values ​​that should be respected by everyone from the Patriarch / Pope to an ordinary priest.

[Vitaly Anisimov]

Quote: soldier's grandson

the article says that the communist infection threw the country back decades and that in the battle with it they lost hundreds of millions of people, who lost it? I don’t understand the West?

You twist .. Whatever ideology was in Russia .. (When the Germans stood near Moscow, Stalin remembered the faith ..) Orthodoxy, no matter how trampled it out of our souls, is always present at a subconscious level .. in the Russian soul .. WWII "Forward Slavs "My dad, an ardent communist in 43, was born of hunger and was dying .. (my great-grandmother was drunk with herbs or prayed for it ..) sometimes he was baptized into a quiet one even in the USSR .. I was little, but I remember (I was taught that there is no God ..) affairs Slavs !!!

[Yarosvet]

Quote: MIKHAN

Stalin when the Germans stood near Moscow remembered faith

Where does infa-radio from the OBS come from?

[darksoul]

Quote: Soldier's grandson

the article says that the communist infection threw the country back decades and that in the battle with it they lost hundreds of millions of people, who lost it? I don’t understand the West?

because of these twos ... she died in the 90s no less, went away ..... more than 20 years of decay have passed ... it’s already no longer relevant to blame the Communists for everything ...... but the holiday is really great, there was a choice and this is our cross, but our history goes much further than 1025 when our ancestors were not yet God's servants but were on equal terms with them

[Vitaly Anisimov]

Despite all this obscurantism that is happening in the world .. Orthodoxy and faith will save Russia .. As Shevchuk sang "Motherland, although you are ugly, but still Motherland" This is our Strength Slavs! The strength of our spirit in the world feel ..

[soldier's grandson]

Quote: MIKHAN

Quote: soldier's grandson

the article says that the communist infection threw the country back decades and that in the battle with it they lost hundreds of millions of people, who lost it? I don’t understand the West?

You twist .. Whatever ideology was in Russia .. (When the Germans stood near Moscow, Stalin remembered the faith ..) Orthodoxy, no matter how trampled it out of our souls, is always present at a subconscious level .. in the Russian soul .. WWII "Forward Slavs "My dad, an ardent communist in 43, was born of hunger and was dying .. (my great-grandmother was drunk with herbs or prayed for it ..) sometimes he was baptized into a quiet one even in the USSR .. I was little, but I remember (I was taught that there is no God ..) affairs Slavs !!!

I see in these words a spit in the face of those people who saved the country from fascism and how could the Communists drive the country back decades ago? factories?, free housing? free education is the best in the world ?, raised Central Asia and our oligarchs are still eating this

[grafrozow]

Quote: Soldier's grandson

how could the communists push the country decades ago? with factories ?, with free housing? free education is the best in the world ?, raised Central Asia and our oligarchs are still eating this

Free cheese in a mousetrap lies. Who paid salaries to teachers, doctors, builders who built "free" housing - the state from the budget money. Where does the money in the budget come from taxes. Who paid taxes, workers. So why free?

[soldier's grandson]

Now we pay for everything and at exorbitant prices, and at the same time we drive people into loans, take at least a loan for household appliances, the annual percentage is not less than 50%, but before it was from 1% to 3 ?, is there a difference?

[grafrozow]

Quote: Soldier's grandson

Now we pay for everything and at exorbitant prices, and at the same time we drive people into loans, take at least a loan for household appliances, the annual percentage is not less than 50%, but before it was from 1% to 3 ?, is there a difference?

I don’t understand, are you being taken to a bank for a loan under a gun? If you want everything at once, then it’s clear that they’ll hang out before a neighbor with a smart mobile or a cool washer, so you don’t have enough money. Do not blame the mirror, since the face ....

[soldier's grandson]

Quote: Alexander Romanov

Author PLUS! If the apostates simply believed in their peruns or anyone else, but no, it’s probably impossible. Now you’ll come up and throw out all your anger and hatred, but there’s a big BUT. years and 1025 more times will be so much!

where you see spitting in Orthodoxy, here just people indicate that the clergy themselves do not follow the commandments

[agbykov]

Regarding unworthy priests, etc., see the article on faith in the existence of man: http://www.pravoslavie.ru/smi/56011.htm

[My address]

How interesting!

99% on the website of the patriots.

I think that these are patriots.

They argued on the subject of trust - I do not believe.

Yes, as the enemies have become each other.

I will not say who is intolerable, although only by age for 60 I have the right.

But have not heard that the head to think, and brains to think? But does not it come about that it turned out to be easy for many to turn out to be easy? And almost pitting like-minded people in relation to feelings for the Fatherland?

Fu Unpleasant

[agbykov]

Sorry, but have not quarreled yet and not on the topic "I believe - I do not believe." It's just that some Christians, to the best of their ability, correctly and politely defend their faith from unjust attacks (scientifically - an apology).

[tixon444]

It is unlikely that anyone will read, but still ...

http://old.kpe.ru/rating/analytics/religion/227/

Especially useful for those who think they know everything.

I know that I don’t know anything. Socrates will not lie.

[agbykov]

I have a feeling that we often argue about different things, calling them by one name - Orthodoxy. As lecturers of mathematics begin in lectures with definition of concepts, it would be necessary for us to decide first. Watch http://flv.predanie.ru/flv/osipov/obschest_lekcii/12_CHto_takoe_Ppavoclavie_DK_M
epidian_1997.flv or download: http://files.predanie.ru/video/osipov/CHto_takoe_Ppavoclavie_DK_Mepidian_1997.wm
v

[grafrozow]

Quote: Corsair5912

All of them are our ancestors, and I hate the holy-sleepy Christ, who defame and insult our pagan great-great-grandfathers. It was they, the pagan great-grandfathers, who settled and equipped our Russian land, and not the agents of the influence of the enemy of Russia, Greek Byzantium, who appeared on the finished.

I don’t understand, we are now occupied by Greek Byzantium, where is the capital of this country?

[GreatRussia]

Quote: Rodriques

Believe further. To such a church. The populace ouels completely. I remember as a child, at sea I was delighted to watch performances with the participation of Neptune, etc. where the damn church is climbing
completely mad.

Those. for you an exception to the secular obscurantism holiday in the form of a pagan god and devilish shock?
Funny.

[Rodriques]

So I did not wait for a clear answer from you, it remains to ban the snowmen, the cult of madder is the same. Ugh. The state is becoming incomprehensible.

[does it]

Quote: GreatRussia

Those. for you an exception to the secular obscurantism holiday in the form of a pagan god and devilish shock?

Just priests infuriates that money is not flowing into their pocket. I don’t see any insult, it’s just that the ROC is crushing everything that could bring it profit in the near future. That is, there will be an attempt to replace the festival of Neptune with the next carrying of relics with the accurate issuing of financial resources from the pockets of the population.

[soldier's grandson]

Quote: grafrozow

Quote: Soldier's grandson

Now we pay for everything and at exorbitant prices, and at the same time we drive people into loans, take at least a loan for household appliances, the annual percentage is not less than 50%, but before it was from 1% to 3 ?, is there a difference?

I don’t understand, are you being taken to a bank for a loan under a gun? If you want everything at once, then it’s clear that they’ll hang out before a neighbor with a smart mobile or a cool washer, so you don’t have enough money. Do not blame the mirror, since the face ....

don’t stupid about the gun \ if one-mother with a penny can’t buy, she will take a loan, which will be issued right there on the spot, and it’s not about the show-off, but the necessary things in the house

[grafrozow]

Be careful when cornering.

Quote: Soldier's grandson

do not stupid about the gun \

Quote: Soldier's grandson

if a single mother with a penny can’t buy, she will take a loan, which they will draw up right there on the spot, and it’s not about the show-off, but the necessary things in the house

depending on what is considered a necessary thing. I have already lived enough and seen a lot of single mothers, my stepdaughter is 36 years old, and you can’t get rid of a crowbar for work, the limit of dreams is a mink coat with a hood. For her this is a thing of prime necessity. WORK is necessary, but not chew snot, then loans will not be needed. Goodbye.

[soldier's grandson]

if the city has a salary of 8 thousand rubles, then you can only dream of a mink coat, you probably judge people by metropolitan standards

[grafrozow]

Quote: Soldier's grandson

if the city has a salary of 8 thousand rubles, then you can only dream of a mink coat, you probably judge people by metropolitan standards

There is no equal salary in the whole city, a cleaner and a turner do different jobs, so the pay is different. I work at Volat and I get three times more UAZ driver who prevents him from opening categories and getting lazy, too, in a car easier, and wants the same salary. I throw you a photo of the "capital region". March 2013. gNadym YNAO Day of the reindeer herder.

[soldier's grandson]

Thanks for the photo, we clarified a little, but many from our region work for you, as we have a city with a low standard of living. I can say that for example the driver at Rosneft receives 15 thousand rubles

[Lk17619]

"and then the invasion of the communist infection threw our country back decades"

How disgusting to hear from people that they have not so long ago sucked, and now they praise it. I wonder where the country was dropped? From a dying agrarian to an industrialized power?

[lawyer]

Good day to all! that you are arguing here, each person has his own opinion, I believe in God and someone is not, but that doesn’t mean that someone is wrong, and everyone needs to work and restore temples not in large cities, but everywhere in our country temples were built in the city and they boast of what good fellows they are, but they don’t do nichrome outside the city, and priests need to be more modest, otherwise everyone drives expensive cars and asks us to give them the last, turn all religion into business.

[shpuntik]

Lawyer RU Today, 10:49 AM
... and the priests need to be more modest, otherwise everyone drives expensive cars and asks us to give the last, we turn the whole religion into business.

"What's the pop - that's the parish." Some can give head-on, verbally. So much so that the person sits in the back seat.
How do you prot. Smirnov?

[soldier's grandson]

Quote: shpuntik

grandson of a soldier (3) RU Yesterday, 18:42 ↑
you want to say about extinct villages?

In Russia "for a thousand years" it was like this: the church is - this is the village, the chapel is - the village, nothing is - this is the village. Expression: "Oh, you village!" comes from this gradation, since they learned to read and write from churchmen, read the Gospel from childhood. Who wanted of course
:-)
The village began to die out during the Red Terror. The same Tukhachevsky "distinguished himself" in the murders of peasants.

villages became extinct under the tsar and under the soviets, and in the 21st century when there is no war, this is state policy

[shpuntik]

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grandson of a soldier (4) RU Today, 11:19
... the villages became extinct under the tsar and under the soviets, and in the 21st century when there is no war, this is state policy.
No one praises much today, sir. politics. A posteriori it will rarely be good, "it's good where we are not."
And, about the royal village, you are wrong: compare the birth rate under the tsar-father and after. Can you raise six children today, in the 21st century? Why not? Not because women are bad, but because taxes are like that.

[soldier's grandson]

I agree with you, I will tell you about children with many children, then there was no abortion and for each born boy the family received a plot of land, I don’t remember how much, and the land always fed the peasants, it could be leased