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Day of the Baptism of Russia - a holiday that unites peoples and countries

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The Day of the Baptism of Russia stands apart on the calendar. Perhaps, based on its real historical significance, today it is the most underrated holiday. After all, this is about the historical highway that Prince Vladimir chose for our ancestors over a thousand years ago. Today you somehow do not even imagine Russia as a Catholic, Islamic or Jewish state, although, as follows from The Tale of Bygone Years, such a choice was proposed to Vladimir Svyatoslavovich.


Objectively, today's Russia cannot be called an Orthodox state. First of all, according to the current Constitution, which not only indicates the secular nature of our state, but also the supremacy of any ideology is prohibited. But also, as they say, “in spirit”: the results of various polls are inexorable, irrespective of specific figures. Thus, the number of church citizens is incommensurably less than those who simply identify with the Orthodox tradition, rather paying tribute to the courtesy of the history of their country. People willingly go to temples, or even chapels, worn out by earthly cares, to put a candle to any saint before the operation of relatives in the hospital, or for a good mark on the exam (the author repents: he did it himself).

Twice a year, you can see the “congregation” in the temples at the great Easter and Christmas services. Of course, a separate topic - Easter cakes, painted eggs, the consecration of water, cars, apartments and other iPhones. But, to admit, the meaning of these rites in the minds of most of our compatriots is rooted, alas, not in the choice of Prince Vladimir in the 988 year, but somewhere deeper - during the times of Perun and Yarila ... Is it any wonder ads in large-circulation newspapers with advertisements "White magicians" - a portly aunt surrounded by icons and lamps?

The Day of the Baptism of Russia is celebrated not so much on a grand scale, but noticeably - perhaps more noticeably than the same Day of Russia. Does this date nevertheless have any meaning, and the “last times” that other parishioners of temples are chasing are not so relevant? ..

KM.RU reviewer these questions were answered by experts of the portal:

Member of the Patriarchal Council on Culture, Chairman of the International Association of Cinematographers of Slavic and Orthodox Peoples, President of the International Film Forum “Golden Knight”, People's Artist of Russia Nikolay Burlyaev:

- About the last times every now and then it is said, in fact, every year we prepare for them. But, as they say in Russia, "Get ready for death, and this rye." Therefore, we must continue to live with faith in the Lord. And the fact that we are celebrating the Day of the Baptism of Russia is, of course, very important, because there is no stronger support for the Russian people than our faith left to us by our ancestors.

Religious scholar, executive director of the Human Rights Center of the World Russian People’s Council, candidate of historical sciences Roman Silantyev:

- The Day of the Baptism of Rus is a holiday that unites people and countries. Actually, that says it all. Orthodox from year to year becomes more and more, and the times are now much less apostatic (apostate. - Approx. KM.RU) than at the beginning of the XX century. I think that Russia today is much longer from the end of the world than a hundred years ago. In any case, the level of religiosity among the people is high, as is the level of church-state relations. The church is on the rise, the temples are opened in the thousands and at the same time they are not empty, they are filled with believers. And the Orthodox faith itself plays an increasingly important role in the life of not only Russia, but also other countries.

First Deputy Chairman and Chief of Staff of the Patriarchal Commission on Family and Motherhood, Member of the Supreme Church Council of the Russian Orthodox Church, Mitred Archpriest Dmitry Smirnov:

- The point is not that we celebrate the date of the Baptism of Russia today, but that this holiday has an eternal importance, because Prince Vladimir has decided what we should be, and now we’ve been walking this path with all our delusions for 1025 years , digressions, mistakes, losses, sins, achievements. Still, any nation forms its faith, it is the foundation of national life.

As Metropolitan Hilarion correctly noted, we are now in the second Baptism of Russia. But I must say that the first one ended only at the end of the 19th century, when our suburbs — Kamchatka, the north of the Far East, Yakutia and other lands — were finally baptized. That is, the Baptism of Russia went on for 900 years, and then the invasion of communist contagion threw our country decades ago. In the battle with it, we lost hundreds of millions of people, but, as always, saved Europe: first from the Mongols, then from the communists. Such is the role of our people.

Over the past 25 years in Russia, 25 000 churches were built, 800 monasteries were restored, so, of course, we have something to celebrate. But the anniversary itself is a conditional date, of course. We somehow got used to round dates, we like to celebrate them. But the number "25" is definitely lost in the shadow of the millennium.

By the way, I remember very well and in detail the celebrations of the Millennium of the Baptism of Rus. After decades of godlessness, this was a great joy, but it was also a joy this year in Moscow to meet the heads of all local Orthodox churches. I was also present at the festive service in honor of our spiritual mother Mother Princess Olga - grandmother of Equal-to-the-Apostles Prince Vladimir. And how happy it was when, during the service, it was all over the cross of Andrew the First-Called!

Well, whether the last time now or not - everything is in the hands of God. What is happening today with our once-Christian Europe, of course, causes every Orthodox Orthodox sorrow and wariness. But, perhaps, looking at us, they will perk up: there are millions of Christians there. And then, in addition to the names of the varieties of cheese, they will also be remembered about the commandments of God ... I have great hope for this.

I like the earlier proposal to make the Day of the Baptism of Russia a public holiday. Celebrating it widely, people will slowly begin to delve into their history. And the media will, willingly or not, but something to prepare for this. Of course, the main part of the mass media today is just jerking around and scoffing at what is sacred to the people. But we, the Orthodox, know: the more they scoff, the stronger our faith is.
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  1. shpuntik
    shpuntik 29 July 2013 14: 36 New
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    Nothing, Orthodox Russia will be restored, we will not only celebrate, but also celebrate this holiday. Although everything goes to a (defensive) war ...
  2. Recon
    Recon 29 July 2013 14: 37 New
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    The holiday is certainly positive. But here is what I do not agree with the Russian Orthodox Church and the author:

    1. Our history extends far into the past, much further than the year of the baptism of Russia.
    2. There are too many temples and churches built. Can you imagine what huge funds are needed for this? Why can’t you build church schools, almshouses, church shelters for the homeless, schools, hospitals, kindergartens in the end? And after all, all this can be under the wing and guardianship of the Church, right?
    1. shpuntik
      shpuntik 29 July 2013 14: 47 New
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      Recon RU Today, 14:37 PM New
      The holiday is certainly positive. But here is what I do not agree with the Russian Orthodox Church and the author:
      2. There are too many temples and churches built. Can you imagine what huge funds are needed for this?

      First prayer, then deeds :-)
      And how much gold the Bolsheviks washed away from the domes ... Gelfand and various "rabid vaginas" are silent, I apologize for the medical term.

      http://www.opvspb.ru/sluzhby/stroim_dom_miloserdiya/
      Posted by: protoyer. Vasily Ermakov, protoyer. George Mitrofanov, Boris Gusev Rubric: Collections Year: 2002 Publisher: AGAT ISBN: 5-94300-008-9 Binding: Cover Page: 192 Circulation: 2000 Format: 60x90 / 16
    2. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 29 July 2013 14: 47 New
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      Quote: Recon
      1. Our history extends far into the past, much further than the year of the baptism of Russia.

      Yes, no one argues
      Quote: Recon
      2. Temples and churches built too much

      Not so much for our country, we have thousands of cities and towns, there is nothing to talk about villages.
      Quote: Recon
      ? Why can’t you build church schools, almshouses, church shelters for the homeless, schools, hospitals, kindergartens in the end? And after all, all this can be under the wing and guardianship of the Church, right?

      Offer to build a country in the country? As much as the Church can, so much helps people. People help, but not you, as I understand it. You were the critic who didn’t give a penny, but counting someone else’s ruble, right?
      1. Recon
        Recon 29 July 2013 15: 44 New
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        I do not offer anything, I only express my opinion. Excuse me, Comrade Marshal? And on what basis do you, dear, draw far-reaching conclusions without knowing anything about me? I should probably be ashamed? For what? I won’t be crucifying here, where, to whom and how much I donated and to whom I helped, why? And you have no desire to prove that you are wrong either. Therefore, go your own way, and do not take so close to your heart everything that is at variance with your attitude.
        1. Alexander Romanov
          Alexander Romanov 29 July 2013 15: 48 New
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          Quote: Recon
          I do not offer anything, I only express my opinion. Excuse me, Comrade Marshal?

          Yes, express as you like, I already answered you.
        2. My address
          My address 29 July 2013 16: 42 New
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          Dear Nikita! Totally agree with you. Do not pay attention to field marshal number XXUMX. I started reading comments in April, so he and this marshals are completely different people. Sadly

          My uncle, the elder of the Old Believers, said: “Sasha! they will not understand. But you be a man, and he in the next world will understand everything. " And what kind of insight this Philosopher (with a capital letter) and a participant in the war with the White Chinese, with parochial 4's education, rolled up!
          1. Alexander Romanov
            Alexander Romanov 29 July 2013 16: 55 New
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            Quote: My address
            Do not pay attention to Field Marshal No. 1.

            And hello to you comrade ensign
      2. Furnace driver
        Furnace driver 29 July 2013 17: 21 New
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        Quote: Alexander Romanov

        Not so much for our country, we have thousands of cities and towns, there is nothing to talk about villages

        better to rebuild the new, but the old ... architectural and historical monuments, church naturally, even if they continue to collapse ...
        priests on their own, but by popular forces rebuild independently, while priests with fat rage.
        1. Furnace driver
          Furnace driver 30 July 2013 10: 11 New
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          as I understand it, the minusers have nothing to object to my post?
      3. soldier's grandson
        soldier's grandson 29 July 2013 18: 42 New
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        you want to say about extinct villages?
        1. shpuntik
          shpuntik 30 July 2013 01: 02 New
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          grandson of a soldier (3) RU Yesterday, 18:42 ↑
          you want to say about extinct villages?

          In Russia, "a thousand years" it was: the church is - this is the village, the chapel is - the village, nothing is - this is the village. Expression: "Oh you village!" comes from this gradation, since they learned to read and write from churchmen, read the Gospel from childhood. Who wanted of course
          :-)
          The village began to die out during the Red Terror. The same Tukhachevsky “distinguished himself” in the killings of peasants.
          1. Furnace driver
            Furnace driver 31 July 2013 10: 26 New
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            And how many liberals have become in the village during the years of power? Okay, people still hold on to the Black Earth region, but in the Non-Black Earth region it is difficult to find islands of stability, destruction everywhere.
    3. Evgeniy46
      Evgeniy46 29 July 2013 15: 42 New
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      I agree on my points and I will give an example from my city.
      The city is small, about 100000 population. So, there is one temple, another is being completed. Both in different parts of the city. BUT! Literally 200-300 meters from the first in the middle of a residential neighborhood in the playground they want to build another. People spoke out against building there. What did the journalists do? During working hours, we went home and asked about consent to the construction. Most people (and these were grandmothers) agreed. There were almost no younger people. And so it turns out that no one seems to mind. My personal opinion is this - do not interfere with faith and politics. Our country is multiconfessional and we should not focus on Orthodoxy. Or select all denominations, or none. Something like this
      1. Alexander Romanov
        Alexander Romanov 29 July 2013 15: 56 New
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        Quote: Eugene46
        The city is small, with about 100000 people. So, there is one temple, another is being completed. Both in different parts of the city. BUT! Literally 200-300 meters from the first in the middle of a residential neighborhood in the playground, they want to build another one.

        2 The temple per 100 is very small, which with regards to the construction at the playground, is probably worth moving away. On holidays, the playground will be forced by cars and other things. Well, there is already a question for the local authorities.
        Quote: Eugene46
        Our country is multiconfessional and you should not focus on Orthodoxy

        Yes, but the foundation of the country is Orthodoxy. We have already made it so that some hoping that our country is a lot of confessional say: -Russian, there is no such nation.
        Just what will happen to these denominations without the Russians? The same Orthodoxy, the foundation of Russia, has existed for 1025 years. According to other faiths, they have built temples or mosques and not a few. All Moscow allah akbar yells on holidays, without any advertising from the state
        1. Evgeniy46
          Evgeniy46 29 July 2013 17: 22 New
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          Quote: Alexander Romanov
          Yes, but the foundation of the country is Orthodoxy. We have already made it so that some hoping that our country is a lot of confessional say: -Russian, there is no such nation.

          It depends a lot on self-awareness. For example, I was born in the Kursk region. Before the great-great-grandfather on the mother's side, the ancestors considered themselves Russian. And since childhood I was raised as a Russian. And the question "Who am I by nation" is answered in Russian. How do I feel myself. But, no offense to your feelings for Orthodoxy, I can’t consider myself Orthodox, I have my own reasons. More like Rodnoverie.
          Quote: Alexander Romanov
          The same Orthodoxy, the foundation of Russia, has existed for 1025 years. According to other faiths, they have built temples or mosques and not a few. All Moscow allah akbar yells on holidays, without any advertising from the state

          Alexander, and before 988, weren't there Russians? After all, we were before that, only had our own religion. Therefore, the basis of Russia should be considered Russian. As regards the attractiveness of other religions, the ROC itself is already a problem here, which cannot make Orthodoxy attractive to the majority.
          1. Alexander Romanov
            Alexander Romanov 29 July 2013 17: 33 New
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            Quote: Eugene46
            More like Rodnoverie.

            I really forbid you or urge you to accept Orthodoxy. Your own business.
            Quote: Eugene46

            Alexander, and before 988, were there not Russians? After all, we were before that, only had our own religion.

            Just an hour ago, one of your like-minded people posted here such a comment saying to me. Ross RU Today, 16:02
            Quote: Alexander Romanov
            Quote: Svobodny
            Meanwhile, we are nostalgic for the beautiful pagan times.
            And they were definitely beautiful?

            Soviet history researcher L.G. Saldadze notes:

            “An orientalist V. Minorsky discovered in the 30 years of our century in the library of the Ministry of Indian Affairs in London a manuscript of an Arab doctor of the 12th century Marwazi, in which there is such an observation:“ The Rus are very numerous and see a means of food in the sword. If one of the men dies, leaving his daughters and sons, then they transfer the property to their daughters, but to the sons - a sword ...

            When they converted to Christianity, religion dulled their swords ... and they returned to a difficult life ... poverty, and their livelihood was reduced. ”

            What did he want by this koment to tell me that before the adoption of Orthodoxy, the Russians were scumbags and robbers ??? But I strongly doubt it, but if so, I don’t think that earning a banal robbery is the best of our history. More than 1000 years have passed since then. You live in the country in which your family lives. Trying to fight Orthodoxy you are fighting with part of your family, with part of your people
            1. Evgeniy46
              Evgeniy46 29 July 2013 17: 48 New
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              Fair? I have no idea. You will excuse me, but through the efforts of adherents of Orthodoxy very few of our written sources have reached us. We have to focus more on fairy tales, epics. The records of foreigners must be treated with caution, because they can not understand a lot. As for the record of Marvasi, I think the point was that in pre-Christian Russia the path of a warrior was very, very honorable. And after the adoption of the attitude towards the soldiers changed
              1. Gregazov
                Gregazov 29 July 2013 18: 11 New
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                It’s hard to take your opinion “And after the adoption of (Orthodoxy?) The attitude to the soldiers” seriously, since each Grand Duke, Tsar or Emperor was primarily military people, and only then everything else. Therefore, it is nevertheless necessary to read something, to figure it out for yourself, you look and knowing the truth, repeat the act of the Pharisee of Saul.
          2. Yura
            Yura 29 July 2013 21: 14 New
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            Quote: Eugene46
            Alexander, and before 988, were there not Russians? After all, we were before that, only had our own religion. Therefore, the basis of Russia should be considered Russian.

            Reasonably.
          3. Alekseir162
            Alekseir162 30 July 2013 12: 05 New
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            Quote: Eugene46
            But before 988, were there not Russians? After all, we were before that, only had our own religion.

            You see Eugene, before 988. there was no such thing as RUSSIAN, but there were unions of numerous tribes (Krivichi, Vyatichi and many others), each union had its own gods, whom they worshiped. Accordingly, there could be no question of a single state, because if you admit that the Krivichi gods are "more important", then other tribes will be indignant, and so on, AND THIS WILL NOT ALLOW THE UNION. A single religion was needed, and Prince Vladimir made his choice. And not the last role in the choice was played by the fact that the Byzantine Empire was very strong at that time (I think everyone understands how good it is to have such an ally), again, Byzantium, unlike Rome, did not set any conditions for the adoption of Orthodoxy.
            So with the adoption of baptism, in fact, the formation of RUSI as a state began, then the name Russland (Russia) appeared on the maps of Western Europe
            1. Yura
              Yura 30 July 2013 21: 18 New
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              Quote: Alekseir162
              So with the adoption of baptism, in fact, the formation of RUSI as a state began, then the name Russland (Russia) appeared on the maps of Western Europe

              In China there is a "Museum of Silk" dedicated to everything connected with silk. So, on one of the artifacts, that is, a piece of silk made 4 thousand years ago and then printed with hieroglyphics on it, it is said that China traded silk with Russia, too (note four thousand years ago). But what about the country of Gardarik, the Scandinavians called Russia, and this did not mean that Russia was not, because the fact that we call Germans Germans does not mean that there are no Germans. It doesn’t have to be what we don’t know about.
      2. S_mirnov
        S_mirnov 29 July 2013 18: 00 New
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        “Literally 200-300 meters from the first in the middle of a residential neighborhood in the playground they want to build another one.” The speed of building churches, and mosques with all kinds of synagogues in our country can only be compared with the speed of building shopping centers.
        Both serve one purpose - to withdraw money from the people! Only in the shopping center are money withdrawn in favor of large merchants, and in synagogue churches in favor of the church elite. Neither one really produces anything, i.e. are parasitic organizations. The list is worth adding an abundance of banks, by the way, every fifth Russian has loans worth about 1 million rubles. What parallels with America does not cause?
        The church has become so fat that it no longer fits in existing temples! The question is where do you pop with a brush to the rocket climb, it’s better she will not fly from this!
        A ban on priests of Neptune and mermaids on the day of the Navy - so it's just obscene songs! This is the middle ages!
        http://news.rambler.ru/20303240/
        1. Alexander Romanov
          Alexander Romanov 29 July 2013 18: 05 New
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          Quote: S_mirnov
          The church is so fat

          Smirnov, AU, give me pictures of the American base in Ulyanovsk, where there are a bunch of American soldiers.
          1. S_mirnov
            S_mirnov 29 July 2013 18: 22 New
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            "Smirnov, AU, give me pictures of the American base in Ulyanovsk"
            In those photos of Chaplin at the American Embassy - where are a bunch of traitors!
            http://allaron.livejournal.com/150583.html
            And one more thing, send me a photo of Ulyanovsk with an empty place where there should be an American base!
            And then it turns out that the GDP about ghosts says:
            http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1pJ7tmvtSDE
            probably raving ...
            "where are a bunch of American soldiers" is you already gagging, about the soldier I did not speak. Soldiers are a dear thing, where they need to be delivered by airplanes.
            1. Alexander Romanov
              Alexander Romanov 30 July 2013 01: 31 New
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              Quote: S_mirnov
              "where are a bunch of American soldiers" is you already gagging, I didn’t talk about soldiers

              and this is about civilAnd one more thing, send me a photo of Ulyanovsk with an empty place where there should be an American base!
              Look in google, pictures of 13 years and find me NATO or your Americans. And in general, about what an empty place. You said there is a base-GIVE EVIDENCE!
              1. soldier's grandson
                soldier's grandson 30 July 2013 11: 24 New
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                13 shots do not exist yet, there are 10 shots
        2. bomg.77
          bomg.77 29 July 2013 20: 04 New
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          Quote: S_mirnov
          The church has become so fat that it no longer fits in existing temples!
          Uv.Smirnov completely agrees with you, the church simply sucks money and this is not the pre-revolutionary church, which besides faith brought education, respect for elders, these are just effective managers, their mother, and not only Orthodox, but also Catholics and Armenian and Georgian all sold out to the golden calf.
          1. Yarosvet
            Yarosvet 29 July 2013 22: 55 New
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            Quote: bomg.77
            the church simply sucks money and this is not the pre-revolutionary church that brought to the people, in addition to faith, education, respect for elders

            Not respect for elders was instilled, but unquestioning submission.
            “Education” is 80% illiterate.
            “Faith” is the instilling of a habit of performing a series of rituals and paying.

            And do not forget that it is the remnants of that pre-revolutionary church that sided with the Nazis.
            1. bomg.77
              bomg.77 29 July 2013 23: 28 New
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              Quote: Yarosvet

              And do not forget that it is the remnants of that pre-revolutionary church that sided with the Nazis.
              Yarosvet, we are now talking about the current church and the pre-revolutionary, and once its authorities categorically denied it, firstly, secondly, it is not necessary to project individual
              ministers to all ministers, I think if this were so, then Stalin would not have left this unattended and would not have restored the patriarchate
              1. Yarosvet
                Yarosvet 30 July 2013 01: 46 New
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                Quote: bomg.77
                Yarosvet, we are now talking about the current church and the pre-revolutionary
                Here I am about the pre-revolutionary and recalled - ROCOR was its part - flesh from flesh.

                secondly, it is not necessary to project individual ministers on all ministers
                In your opinion, the highest ranks of the ROCOR supported by the clergy and flock are separate ministers?

                I think if this were so, then Stalin would not have left this unattended and would not have restored the patriarchate
                The patriarchate was restored as an ideological counterweight to the ROCOR. Otherwise, there was a great risk of getting a partisan war in the rear of the advancing army, which could be launched by religious citizens motivated by the ROCA to fight the “Godless”.
        3. Rakti-kali
          Rakti-kali 29 July 2013 21: 47 New
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          Quote: S_mirnov
          The church has become so fat that it no longer fits in existing temples!

          Do you understand the concept of "church"? Do you know that it consists of two parts? So who is fat - clergy or flocks?
        4. GreatRussia
          GreatRussia 29 July 2013 22: 01 New
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          Quote: S_mirnov
          A ban on priests of Neptune and mermaids on the day of the Navy - so it's just obscene songs! This is the middle ages!
          http://news.rambler.ru/20303240/

          For you, the Middle Ages, what obscurantism in the form of a pagan god and devils was thrown out of a secular holiday? laughing
          1. S_mirnov
            S_mirnov 29 July 2013 22: 45 New
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            "threw obscurantism in the form of a pagan god and devils" - for sure! So they will reach Baba Yaga, and they will make Cheburashka four! Already misinterpreting the name of Pushkino's fairy tale "On the priest and his worker Balda" now it sounds like "The Tale of the Merchant and his worker Balda"
            1. GreatRussia
              GreatRussia 29 July 2013 23: 19 New
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              Quote: S_mirnov
              So they will reach Baba Yaga, and they will make Cheburashka four!

              Of course awesome will be a loss!


              Already misinterpreting the name of Pushkino's fairy tale "On the priest and his worker Balda" now it sounds like "The Tale of the Merchant and his worker Balda"

              Originally it was called. And what?
      3. grafrozow
        grafrozow 29 July 2013 19: 48 New
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        Quote: Eugene46
        . My personal opinion is this - do not interfere with faith and politics. Our country is multiconfessional and we should not focus on Orthodoxy. Or select all denominations, or none. Something like this

        Our RUSSIA was originally Orthodox, and if three Papuans come to my city tomorrow and want to build their sacred “wigwam” and slaughter sacrificial rams near it, we will carry them back home. The hackneyed topic is not at home as a guest, you don’t need to teach the Pope how children are doing. If you want to pray to your god, pray, but not on Red Square, but at home !!!!
    4. maxvik
      maxvik 29 July 2013 15: 43 New
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      Many or few temples is not an easy question. Why are you saying so easily that much? Those temples that I visit are always crowded, it is stuffy and there is really not enough space.
      Money for the construction of churches is not spent state, but parish. If there is enough land, then Sunday schools are being built near the temple. As a rule, priests organize work with orphanages and help the elderly and sick people. Just for example http://pokrovchram.ru/socialnoe_sluzhenie
      But to give whole kindergartens and shelters under the wing of the church is probably not worth it, because many will be very against it.
    5. Vadivak
      Vadivak 29 July 2013 15: 51 New
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      Quote: Recon
      There are too many temples and churches built. Can you imagine what huge funds are needed for this?


      Too much is how? Do they interfere with your movement or make money? Or do not like the educational policy of the church?

      About money - temples are built on the donations of believers. What do you care about this money? Let's take the civic initiative to raise money for kindergarten, school, hospital, no one is against, not shifting responsibility to others.
      1. Recon
        Recon 29 July 2013 16: 59 New
        +4
        Why is it worth mentioning the notorious candy wrappers, does the controversy about "counting millions" begin? Such posts you yourself begin to consider them. I, like many, do good deeds, donate a certain amount, but I do not scream about it in the forums, and I do not tell everyone around how I am supposedly a good person. Nobody cares. And to those who eat, they do good in silence. As for the initiatives, this is the work of public figures. There are a huge number of them. Refer to them. I serve the Motherland in other ways.
        1. Vadivak
          Vadivak 29 July 2013 17: 06 New
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          Quote: Recon
          I, like many, do good deeds, donate a certain amount, but do not shout about it on the forums,


          Already scream.
          Quote: Recon
          As for the initiatives, this is the work of public figures.

          Then why speak with them? I myself am not enthusiastic about the personnel policy of the Russian Orthodox Church, but understand that they are excommunicated from the state and, by definition, cannot open schools and hospitals, by status
          1. S_mirnov
            S_mirnov 29 July 2013 18: 14 New
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            "but understand they are excommunicated from the state" And then what do they do in state kindergartens, schools, military schools, the army? Yes, now not a single political party is complete without a priest!
            http://allaron.livejournal.com/150583.html
            And why the church did not fall under the law on NGOs? It turns out the church, a very commercial organization.
            In the USSR there was more holiness in the church - because it was not profitable to be a minister of faith, and now the clergy are pushed into the backyards, and commerce ahead is in robes!
            1. agbykov
              agbykov 29 July 2013 18: 19 New
              +1
              Unfortunately, you misunderstand the principle of separation of the Church from the state.
              1. S_mirnov
                S_mirnov 29 July 2013 18: 24 New
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                "You, unfortunately, misunderstand the principle of separation of the Church from the state." -So dedicate! What is the branch, in that the church does not pay taxes on commercial activities?
                1. consul
                  consul 29 July 2013 18: 50 New
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                  Quote: S_mirnov
                  "You, unfortunately, misunderstand the principle of separation of the Church from the state." -So dedicate! What is the branch, in that the church does not pay taxes on commercial activities?


                  pays, don’t worry, only religious products are not taxed.
                  1. S_mirnov
                    S_mirnov 29 July 2013 18: 57 New
                    -6
                    I have never seen a cash register in a church.
                    1. shpuntik
                      shpuntik 30 July 2013 00: 36 New
                      +4
                      S_mirnov (2) SU Yesterday, 18:57 ↑
                      I have never seen a cash register in a church.

                      So you are Alexander, often go to Orthodox churches? Judging by the comments, you bypass them, for three miles.
                      Near the icon shop, usually a glass stands for the poor, with small candles. Nobody "withdraws" money, as you put it:
                      Both serve one purpose - to withdraw money from the people! Only in the shopping center are money withdrawn in favor of large merchants, and in synagogue churches in favor of the church elite.

                    2. shpuntik
                      shpuntik 30 July 2013 00: 40 New
                      +1
                      That's how much, "opium" for the people :-)
                      1. Yarosvet
                        Yarosvet 30 July 2013 02: 00 New
                        +1
                        Quote: shpuntik
                        How much, "opium" for the people

                        And how exactly did these "poor people" get "their" "little" money "priests" are not interested?

                        By the way - do you know at least 1 case when a minister of worship would donate something to someone?
                      2. Alexander Romanov
                        Alexander Romanov 30 July 2013 02: 27 New
                        +6
                        Quote: Yarosvet
                        By the way - do you know at least 1 case when a minister of worship would donate something to someone?

                        There are thousands of cases across the country, but not many get to the press. Dozens of people received help with me, and even more without me.
                        Your words say that you are not interested, if you were interested, you would know
                      3. Yarosvet
                        Yarosvet 30 July 2013 02: 49 New
                        +2
                        Quote: Alexander Romanov
                        Your words say that you are not interested, if you were interested, you would know

                        It’s not true, Alexander - I’m interested, but I don’t know of any such cases.

                        Can you throw an example?
                      4. MG42
                        MG42 30 July 2013 03: 06 New
                        +5
                        Quote: Yarosvet
                        By the way - you know at least 1 case when a minister of worship donated something to someone

                        Yekaterinburg, September 23, 2008, "Information Agency of the Yekaterinburg Diocese." The prisoners of the Yekaterinburg pre-trial detention center are spiritually fed by the priest Andrei Shestakov, the rector of the parish in honor of the Holy Optina Elders.
                        Father Andrei comes to his spiritual wards several times a month. The conversations are attended by up to 150 people. The father also talks with juvenile prisoners in the classroom, conducts individual interviews with the prison staff. He conveys to the convicts the folds, beads, wearable images of the Most Holy Theotokos with shrines, as well as sweets, albums for paper icons, envelopes for letters home. Donates icons and spiritual books for the prayer room of the SIZO.
                        According to the priest, in some cells, prisoners even have the opportunity to watch Orthodox television programs, CDs with spiritual videos, listen to audio recordings of sermons and church songs.
                        At the request of the prisoners, they, accompanied by the security guards, are brought to the prayer room for individual conversations with the priest. Father Andrei regularly donates essential drugs in jail. Some prisoners express a desire, after release, to help the priest in the temple.

                        © When using the information link to the media
                        "Information Agency of the Yekaterinburg Diocese"
                        (certificate of registration of IA No. 11-1492 dated 29.05.2003/XNUMX/XNUMX) MANDATORY.
                      5. Yarosvet
                        Yarosvet 30 July 2013 03: 47 New
                        0
                        Quote: MG42

                        E no - this is his work, carried out with the aim of attracting new parishioners and carried out at the expense of the parish or diocese.

                        I ask about a case when a minister of worship helps someone free of charge, without the second thought of recruiting new adherents and at his own expense.
                      6. MG42
                        MG42 30 July 2013 04: 00 New
                        +4
                        Why do you see a double meaning in everything positive ??? I don’t see any back thought here, if anyone goes to help the priest in the temple after the liberation, then it will be VOLUNTARILY.
                        It’s not like the obsessive Jehovah’s Witnesses who every week they call us in the apartment and try to hand over their literature, no one zombies people like all sectarians at their meetings ..
                        My friend got on such a <meeting> and left them his home phone number, then he didn’t come to the next meetings, so at first they simply invited him obsessively and almost to threats .., in general, he barely got rid of it ..
                      7. Yarosvet
                        Yarosvet 30 July 2013 04: 18 New
                        -4
                        Quote: MG42
                        Why do you see a double meaning in everything positive ???
                        Just call things by their names.

                        I don’t see any back thought here, if anyone goes to help the priest in the temple after the liberation, then it will be VOLUNTARILY.
                        If we accept the facts of psychological pressure and psychological bribery in conditions of increased susceptibility to the norm, then yes - voluntarily.

                        It’s not like the obsessive Jehovah’s Witnesses who every week they call us in the apartment and try to hand over their literature, no one zombies people like all sectarians at their meetings ..
                        The principle is essentially the same, only thinner - less aggressive.

                        In general, the topic of recruitment is extensive, it must be viewed from sources, from scripture. Dvorkin has a lot of materials on recruitment into sects and characteristic features of the latter. Interestingly, these signs largely coincide with elements of traditional religions.
                      8. MG42
                        MG42 30 July 2013 04: 26 New
                        +6
                        Quote: Yarosvet
                        Just call things by their names.

                        <Just looking for a black cat in a dark room, especially if she is not there>
                        Quote: Yarosvet
                        If we accept the facts of psychological pressure and psychological bribery in conditions of increased susceptibility to the norm, then yes - voluntarily.

                        Well, if kindness is called psychological pressure, and when buying a candle in the temple, asking for a check and looking for a cash register, then yes ... it's hard, probably, to live with such thoughts ..
                      9. Yarosvet
                        Yarosvet 30 July 2013 04: 50 New
                        +2
                        Quote: MG42
                        <Just looking for a black cat in a dark room, especially if she is not there>
                        The room is bright - the black cat is clearly visible in it. Another thing is that, due to the infection of Toxoplasma gondii, some so much want to have a white cat that, for lack of it, they begin to pass off a black cat for it.

                        Well, if kindness is called psychological pressure, and when buying a candle in the temple, asking for a check and looking for a cash register, then yes ... it's hard, probably, to live with such thoughts ..
                        It's normal to live.

                        Since you mentioned a candle, do you want to give a link about the birthday of the director of the candle factory?
                      10. MG42
                        MG42 30 July 2013 12: 08 New
                        +2
                        Quote: Yarosvet
                        The room is bright - the black cat is clearly visible in it.

                      11. Yarosvet
                        Yarosvet 30 July 2013 15: 50 New
                        0
                        Quote: MG42

                      12. MG42
                        MG42 31 July 2013 02: 39 New
                        0
                        He plays the guitar not bad, I myself once studied such a classical technique of playing the guitar, but I didn’t really like the song ..
      2. Alexander Romanov
        Alexander Romanov 30 July 2013 03: 26 New
        +4
        Quote: Yarosvet
        Can you throw an example?

        Podkin, in Khabarovsk, by order of the Patriarch, the debt for the housing and communal services was paid off to a student who is raising her younger sister-100 000 rubles. If you approach the church, you will see that people constantly turn to the priests for help. So there is no need to lie.
      3. Yarosvet
        Yarosvet 30 July 2013 03: 50 New
        0
        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        So no need to lie.

        I’m not lying - it’s either you did not understand the essence of the issue, or you consciously substitute concepts.

        I’m not talking about patriarchy, diocese or parish - I’m talking about a specific worshiper who helps someone at his own expense.
      4. Alexander Romanov
        Alexander Romanov 30 July 2013 08: 47 New
        +2
        Quote: Yarosvet

        I’m not talking about patriarchy, diocese or parish - I’m talking about a specific worshiper who helps someone at his own expense.

        Well, sitting around the whole concept you replace when there is nothing to answer, but nonetheless. The Church of Peter and Paul in Kamchatsky in Petropavlovsk, Father Yaroslav was rector there, so he helped many at his own expense. He was personally acquainted with him.
      5. Yarosvet
        Yarosvet 30 July 2013 15: 55 New
        -1
        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        I knew him personally.

        This is great, so you can say - did he just help, purely humanly, without any religious filling of this help?
      6. Alexander Romanov
        Alexander Romanov 30 July 2013 15: 59 New
        0
        Quote: Yarosvet
        then you can say - did he just help, purely humanly, without any religious filling of this help?

        I look at you freak on religion
      7. Yarosvet
        Yarosvet 30 July 2013 18: 44 New
        0
        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        I look at you freak on religion

        What are you, Alexander - you and some other comrades’s freak, but I’m just analyzing this freak drinks
  3. MG42
    MG42 30 July 2013 03: 18 New
    +3
    Donations to flood victims
    in the Krasnodar Territory in 2012
    Moscow diocese sends donations
    flood victims of the Krasnodar Territory

    Fulfilling the blessing of His Holiness Patriarch Kirill of Moscow and All Russia, I appealed to the clergy, religious monks of the Moscow diocese to provide assistance to victims of the natural disaster in the Krasnodar Territory. July 15 and 22 this year plate monasteries were held in monasteries and churches of the diocese.

    July 24 this year The order no. 622 12 951 242.17 rubles was transferred to the Synodal department for church charity and social ministry of the Russian Orthodox Church. These funds came from all who sacrificially responded to the grief of others.

    I express my deep gratitude to all the donors and invoke God's Blessing upon them.

    Donations continue to be received at the Diocesan Administration. All of them will be sent to provide targeted assistance to victims.

    + Juvenal,
    Metropolitan of Krutitsky and Kolomna


    List link >>>

    http://www.blago-mepar.ru/social_service/dokumenty_otdela/moskovskaya_eparhiya_n

    apravlyaet_pozhertvovaniya_postradavshim_ot_navodneniya_krasnodarskom_krae /

  4. Alexander Romanov
    Alexander Romanov 30 July 2013 03: 29 New
    +1
    Quote: MG42
    Moscow diocese sends donations
    flood victims of the Krasnodar Territory

    This is called a man was interested, not just said!
  5. Yarosvet
    Yarosvet 30 July 2013 03: 53 New
    -2
    Quote: Alexander Romanov
    This is called a man was interested, not just said!

    This is called - the use of funds from the patriarchy, dioceses and parishes, that is, funds received from donors and the state.
  6. MG42
    MG42 30 July 2013 04: 20 New
    +1
    Quote: Yarosvet
    This is called - the use of the means of patriarchy, dioceses and parishes

    You open the link and read the list ..
  7. Yarosvet
    Yarosvet 30 July 2013 04: 39 New
    0
    This is the CALL OF THE DIOCESE, which voluntary-obligatory order they have, I do not know, therefore it is not necessary to speak about voluntary gratuitous help from personal funds to a specific person.
    Again - they are collected in peace, and help under the auspices of the Russian Orthodox Church. This is not bad, but the fact that this is a kind of advertising campaign is also pointless to deny.

    What catches the eye: the metropolitans and rectors have very good incomes, but no one allowed cars to donate to charity, and worshipers are not more than 10% on the list (offhand).

    But the machine can be sold, and denyushku for a good cause ...
  8. MG42
    MG42 30 July 2013 04: 56 New
    +2
    I don’t know why I remembered the words of one person who had nothing to do with the Russian Orthodox Church, he said something like this >>> when you get into a limousine for the first time you think about how cool it is, when you take it for the second, third, tenth as a usual means of transportation ..
  9. Yarosvet
    Yarosvet 30 July 2013 05: 07 New
    0
    Correct words.

    However, if there is no difference - why pay more, all the more so since a car at a price of 15-30 thousand cabbage rubles is now completely associated with a donkey.
  10. shpuntik
    shpuntik 30 July 2013 14: 32 New
    +2
    Yarosvet (1) RU Today, 02:00 AM
    By the way - do you know at least 1 case when a minister of worship would donate something to someone?


    Here, one of the cases: in the St. Petersburg diocese there are sisterhoods of mercy. Moreover, it worked in parallel with the construction of the temple, and even now the temple has not yet been completely painted (inside), and the iconostasis is temporary.
    http://www.dommil.com/we_help/
    http://vk.com/dommiloserdia
  11. Yarosvet
    Yarosvet 30 July 2013 15: 34 New
    -1
    Quote: shpuntik
    Here, one of the cases

    All the same - the action of the organization under the auspices of the Russian Orthodox Church with the aim of recruiting and advertising, and acting as an intermediary between those who want to help and those who need help.

    I’m talking about a specific worshiper who helps someone free of charge at his own expense - such a case is not presented by links.
  12. shpuntik
    shpuntik 30 July 2013 16: 02 New
    +1
    Yarosvet (1) RU Today, 15:34 ↑ New I’m talking about a particular worshiper who helps someone free of charge at his own expense - such a case is not presented by links.

    So here he is - in the photo, in the center :-) This is his money. All donations are distributed by the senior priest (archpriest) and the parish council (accountant, people who make a great contribution to the construction). Other priests from this church receive a salary, create their families and support them, etc.
    Their work is in the service of God and people, and the Lord sends people with money. The priests do not go around the apartments, as "Jehovah's Witnesses."
    Further, even if the priest gives out of his pocket, he will not advertise, because he is forbidden: according to the word of our Lord Jesus Christ.
    Continuing in the Sermon on the Mount to express His thoughts on the creation of alms, Jesus Christ said: “But when you give alms, let your left hand not know what the right hand is doing” (Matthew 6: 3).

    http://azbyka.ru/hristianstvo/bibliya/novyi_zavet/nagornaya_propoved_70-all.shtm

    l

    Many orphans are adopted, there are also 40 people.
  13. Yarosvet
    Yarosvet 30 July 2013 19: 07 New
    -1
    Quote: shpuntik
    This is his money.
    Oh oh Actually, this is the money of the donors and the state, which, as you rightly noted, are only distributed to them, including in favor of the clergy.

    Their work is in the service of God and people, and the Lord sends people with money.
    Such statements require justification that God exists, that they serve him, that they also serve people, that it is God who sends people with money (by the way - why not the almighty solve problems directly without money, or even directly give money - how does Allah do it regarding Kadyrov?).

    Priests do not go to apartments, as "Jehovah's Witnesses"
    They don’t go, it’s hard for them, but they stand on the streets, they are present in the media, unsubstantiated statements allow themselves, they climb into all spheres of society (by the way - why do you write one of the names of your god with a small letter?).

    even if the priest gives out of his pocket, he will not advertise, because he is forbidden: according to the word of our Lord Jesus Christ.
    It is also forbidden - “to collect treasures on the earth, where moth and rust destroy and where thieves dig and steal” (Matthew 6:19) - but somehow it does not help much.

    Many orphans are adopted, there are also 40 people
    I heard what happens and more. That's just the religious worldview is openly imposed on these orphans, and they have to work in the "gardens" in such a way that even a person prone to raising their own children through work does not feel comfortable.
  • Alekseir162
    Alekseir162 30 July 2013 12: 31 New
    0
    Quote: S_mirnov
    I have never seen a cash register in a church.

    There really is no cash register in the church, it’s true, but each church only pays money for everything (water, electricity, heat), and also the salary for those working in the church and believe me a considerable amount. And you won’t get rich in selling candles, and if it weren’t for people donating to the temples, it would be very difficult. Well, with regards to "fat priests on the geldings", the family is not without a freak. And it is absolutely certain that there are very few of them, although this is the first thing that catches your eye. Especially if our liberal press is trying to stick it out.
  • Vadivak
    Vadivak 29 July 2013 19: 26 New
    +3
    Quote: S_mirnov
    What is the branch, in that the church does not pay taxes on commercial activities?


    No need to replace the concept. commercial activity - this is the activity to ensure the sale of material assets, read Marx your beloved, then let dust in your eyes
    1. S_mirnov
      S_mirnov 29 July 2013 22: 48 New
      -3
      "commercial activities - this is the activity to ensure the sale of material assets," - well done, you did me! Indeed, the sale and purchase of spiritual values ​​was not considered by Marx. Marx didn’t think of such a thing ...
  • agbykov
    agbykov 29 July 2013 20: 54 New
    0
    Pays. But not all and not always. In some cases, the law provides religious organizations with tax benefits. So, for example, in accordance with Art. 381 of the Tax Code (Tax Code of the Russian Federation) all religious organizations are exempt from paying property tax that they use to carry out religious activities. The benefit includes, in particular, the buildings of churches, synagogues, mosques and other objects intended for worship, as well as the buildings of seminaries, madrassas and other institutions of professional religious education. And in accordance with Art. 395 of the Tax Code of the Russian Federation religious organizations are also exempted from paying land tax for the site on which all the buildings, structures and structures of the above organizations are located.

    In addition, when determining the tax base for corporate income tax, in accordance with Art. 251 of the Tax Code of the Russian Federation, incomes received in connection with the performance of religious rites and ceremonies and from the sale of religious literature and religious objects are not taken into account. Finally, such items and literature are not subject to VAT upon sale (Article 149 of the Tax Code of the Russian Federation). The same applies to religious ceremonies and other religious activities, as well as repair and restoration, conservation and restoration work of religious buildings and structures used by religious organizations.

    But, for example, the law on transport tax does not provide benefits for religious organizations.

    On a common basis, taxes are paid (income, transport, land, property) and clergy, regardless of affiliation to a particular denomination.

    Regarding taxes: http://www.patriarchia.ru/db/document/158183/
  • agbykov
    agbykov 29 July 2013 20: 58 New
    +4
    The meaning of separating the Church from the state is that the Church as instituteAs social organization, does not interfere in the internal affairs of the state. The Church, as the ship of Salvation, is not forbidden to fulfill its role.
    Separation of the church from the state does not prohibit us from talking about Christianity and showing what it means to our people.
    1. agbykov
      agbykov 29 July 2013 22: 44 New
      +1
      And the state does not interfere in the internal affairs of the Church.
  • Vadivak
    Vadivak 29 July 2013 19: 24 New
    +9
    Quote: S_mirnov
    And then what do they do in state kindergartens, schools, military schools, the army?


    Schoolchildren take lunch

    Quote: S_mirnov
    And why the church did not fall under the law on NGOs? It turns out the church, a very commercial organization.


    Love you to lie. No one exempted the Church from personal income tax, UST, contributions to the Pension Fund. And give free rein to you, you will collect taxes from any donations and God, it would be better if you were interested in offshore companies, where all your non-taxable audience is hanging out
    1. S_mirnov
      S_mirnov 29 July 2013 22: 25 New
      +2
      "it would be better if they were interested in offshore companies, there your whole non-taxable audience is hanging out," all the oligarchs, friends of the GDP and DAM are hanging out there. So it’s rather yours! Not in vain did I give boiling water at events in Cyprus.
  • Recon
    Recon 29 July 2013 18: 30 New
    +3
    Quote: Vadivak
    Already scream.


    Just because you force me to make excuses is not clear why. Although that is me, really.
  • Furnace driver
    Furnace driver 29 July 2013 18: 58 New
    0
    Quote: Vadivak
    excommunicated

    the term is clearly not appropriate, given what concept the church implies in this word.
  • Alexander Romanov
    Alexander Romanov 29 July 2013 17: 06 New
    +3
    Quote: Recon
    Why is it worth mentioning the notorious candy wrappers, does the controversy about "counting millions" begin?

    Sorry, didn’t you write this
    Quote: Recon
    2. There are too many temples and churches built. Can you imagine what huge funds are needed for this?

    Quote: Recon
    And to those who eat, they do good in silence

    I agree, this is already publicity, so many of the powerful do this.
    Quote: Recon
    . As for the initiatives, this is the work of public figures.

    But in kindergartens this is your initiative, so contact.
    1. Recon
      Recon 29 July 2013 18: 34 New
      0
      I will not apply, simply because it is not my profile. I'm just a military man. Cog system, pawn mode. Do you understand what I'm talking about? Everyone must do their job. Good night.
  • Blackgrifon
    Blackgrifon 29 July 2013 20: 43 New
    +2
    Quote: Recon
    There are too many temples and churches built. Can you imagine what huge funds are needed for this? Why is it impossible to build church schools, almshouses, church shelters for the homeless, schools, hospitals, kindergartens in the end? And after all, all this can be under the wing and guardianship of the Church, right?


    1. Almost all churches are built on the money of parishioners and in fact there are not so many of them - in many villages, towns and villages there are no churches.
    2. When there is no Idea in the country that would hold all sectors of society together, there is a great chance that it will be replaced by currents / movements that fundamentally oppose the state. Remember how many sects are in the country now. And how many of them are annually recognized as extremist.

    Quote: Eugene46
    then here is the problem of the Russian Orthodox Church itself, which cannot make Orthodoxy attractive to the majority.


    Eugene46! According to statistics (I will not name sources, all the information is in the same Wiki), the majority of Russian citizens are Orthodox.

    Quote: Eugene46
    My personal opinion is this - do not interfere with faith and politics. Our country is multiconfessional and we should not focus on Orthodoxy. Or select all denominations, or none. Something like this


    Religion and politics do not need to be disturbed - I agree. BUT it so happened that the church and the state in Russia were ALWAYS connected with each other. The fact that practically no sources have come down to us about the history of the state until the end of 988 is not a “merit” of the church. Here I must say thanks to both the Mongol-Tatars and supporters of the German theory of the origin of the state in Russia. And then, if you want to refuse support for the Russian Orthodox Church, then do not forget that no one in the southern regions will refuse to support Islam, just as our "friends" abroad will refuse to support various movements.
    In addition, almost all critics of the church, it is not about you, Eugene46, forget about the importance of the Russian Orthodox Church in the history of Russia. It was the centralization of the Church that made it easier for Moscow princes to unite fragmented principalities and the common population to fight the Golden Horde (for information, before the invasion of the Mongol-Tatars, the Church was inferior in number of believers to the supporters of the ancient Slavic pantheon). Significant assistance to the Church was felt during the appearance of other external threats - the Ottoman Empire, Napoleon, Nazi Germany. In order not to talk about the Russian Orthodox Church and about Orthodoxy, you need to understand that:
    1. In any organization there are dishonest "employees" and the actions of individual representatives cannot say that the whole organization is bad.
    2. The majority of Russians (both directly Russians and Ukrainians, Belarusians, Mordovians), in particular, and Slavs, in general, are Orthodox.
  • Nick
    Nick 29 July 2013 21: 04 New
    +6
    Quote: Recon
    2. There are too many temples and churches built. Can you imagine what huge funds are needed for this? Why not

    What does "too much" mean? In my mother’s homeland, in a village near Suzdal, there were two stone churches, one with a bell tower, in a hundred yards. Is it a lot or a little? I think a lot of effort and money was spent by the villagers, especially considering that at the beginning of the 19th century everything was built manually. Nevertheless, everyone lived in a fair manner, in every yard there was a cow, a horse, or even two, a dozen, two or three sheep, five piglets, hens and geese were not counted. But the temples were destroyed and the village began to quickly degrade. If in the 60s and 70s life was still warming, then in the 80s, there were only old people in the village, and now only summer residents ...
    I don’t know why it happened, for what reason ... Maybe because the temples were destroyed and God was rejected? ..
    1. S_mirnov
      S_mirnov 29 July 2013 22: 51 New
      +1
      “Maybe because the temples were destroyed and God was rejected? ..” - and people from hungry villages go to our city to work, probably because they built churches ?! And how many Caucasian nationalities have arrived! Probably they are looking for God here.
      Do not get God into purely material, economic reasons.
      1. Nick
        Nick 30 July 2013 09: 33 New
        0
        Quote: S_mirnov
        Do not get God into purely material, economic reasons.

        Everything in this world is interconnected ...
  • bomg.77
    bomg.77 29 July 2013 21: 39 New
    0
    Quote: Recon
    2. Temples and churches built too much
    For the Orthodox faith, it is not enough, but for the Orthodox Church and their current ministers, there are very many.
    1. S_mirnov
      S_mirnov 29 July 2013 22: 54 New
      +1
      See the root, however! +
  • Alexander Romanov
    Alexander Romanov 29 July 2013 14: 37 New
    10
    Author PLUS! If the apostates simply believed in their peruns or anyone else, but no, it’s probably impossible. Now you’ll come up and throw out all your anger and hatred, but there’s a big BUT. years and 1025 more times will be so much!
    1. Gregazov
      Gregazov 29 July 2013 18: 19 New
      +7
      Last night a couple of scum beat our father Father Michael right under the windows of his house. Broke the jaw, closed head injury. I can say that I hate clergymen that there is no stomach for Father Mikhail, and at the same time he devotes a lot of time to missionary work, something like the late Sysoyev, who was killed right in the church by tolerant Muslims from a machine gun.
    2. Furnace driver
      Furnace driver 29 July 2013 18: 54 New
      0
      Orthodoxy is much more than 1025 years old. no need to replace concepts. the church became Orthodox officially only under Stalin. and the Christian faith of the Orthodox began to be called under Nikon the schismatic. the Old Believers did not accept this and still call themselves Orthodox!
      1. Skiff-2
        Skiff-2 29 July 2013 20: 14 New
        +1
        Quote: Oven Driver
        and the Christian faith of the Orthodox began to be called under Nikon the schismatic. the Old Believers did not accept this and still call themselves Orthodox!

        The Old Believers had just left for the schism and fled to the outskirts of the Empire, they did not have bishops, and soon the priests were transferred - there was no one to ordain. Nikon straightened out church books, correcting mistakes, clerical errors and incorrect translation from Greek - Russia (then the only Orthodox kingdom) was already shameful to use semi-literate translations in services, needed harmony and uniformity. Look at the Ukrainian schismatics how evil and mercenary they are ... and ridiculous in their tenacity ...
        1. Furnace driver
          Furnace driver 29 July 2013 20: 36 New
          -1
          that is, in your opinion, that he is not in business. Sorry, but with Russian I'm on you!
      2. Nick
        Nick 30 July 2013 09: 37 New
        -1
        Quote: Oven Driver
        Orthodoxy is much more than 1025 years old. no need to replace concepts.

        So you are replacing the notion. The article is not about the age of Orthodoxy, but about the 1025th anniversary of the baptism of Russia.
        1. Furnace driver
          Furnace driver 30 July 2013 10: 09 New
          -1
          Quote: Nick
          So you are replacing the notion. The article is not about the age of Orthodoxy, but about the 1025th anniversary of the baptism of Russia.

          I read carefully and if I would write about the article, then probably not in response to a post in which a person froze this nonsense. set you a minus for the carelessness due to which you accuse me of what I did not.
  • Ruslan_F38
    Ruslan_F38 29 July 2013 14: 44 New
    +5
    “I like the proposal made earlier to make the Day of the Baptism of Russia a public holiday. Celebrating it widely, people will slowly begin to delve into their history. And the media will, willingly or not, have something to prepare for this. Of course, most of the media today they just mock and mock what is holy for the people. But we, the Orthodox, know that the more they mock, the stronger our faith. " - Let them mock and mock, it’s empty inside such people because they don’t believe in anything.
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    2. Svobodny
      Svobodny 29 July 2013 15: 01 New
      +7
      Quote: Ruslan_F38
      "I like the proposal made earlier to make the Day of the Baptism of Russia a public holiday.

      Me too. See how the people celebrated the 1000th anniversary of the Baptism of Russia in 1988. 1988 became the real Second Baptism of Russia.
      I advise everyone to look to broaden their horizons. Metropolitan Hilarion is a wonderful storyteller and, as it turned out, a talented director.
    3. Armata
      Armata 29 July 2013 17: 44 New
      +7
      Quote: Ruslan_F38
      I like the proposal made earlier to make the Day of the Baptism of Russia a public holiday
      And what do we have only faithful Christians in Russia live?
      Quote: Ruslan_F38
      people will slowly begin to delve into their history. And the media will be free or not, but something to prepare for this. Of course, the main part of the media today only mock and mock what is holy to the people.
      what are they mocking at? we have Christians in favor now, they are taking away territories from museums and hospitals, supposedly they used to be under churches and monasteries. Recently processed the former transit prison under the monastery of women. And they figured the center of the city, a vast territory. Museum of Local Lore on the street, T34 for a cut (well, this is a disgrace to the Christian sanctuary), where once the Decembrists were sitting declared the territory of the Novo Tikhvin Nunnery. And who after that wants forcibly to become a holiday?
      1. Alexander Romanov
        Alexander Romanov 29 July 2013 17: 56 New
        +8
        Quote: Mechanic
        And what do we have only faithful Christians in Russia live?

        Hi Zhenya, do you celebrate Christmas, but Easter? And if you pose the question like this, then do we have only atheists in the country living.
        Quote: Mechanic
        we have Christians in favor now, they are taking away territories from museums and hospitals, as if they used to be under churches and monasteries

        What evil Christians you have, and by the way, without supposedly. Documents remained, and with regards to the hospital’s hospital, their native state has abbreviated them lately.
        Quote: Mechanic
        Recently processed the former transit prison under the convent of women.

        A monastery is better than a prison or is it more convenient for you with prisoners \?
        Quote: Mechanic
        Museum of Local Lore on the street, T34 for cut

        Again, the Church is to blame, but that your poor local government is unable to keep the tank or the authorities do not need it in FIG.
        Quote: Mechanic
        . And who after that wants forcibly to become a holiday?

        And the New Year was not forced for you, or 1 of May? Eugene, once again I tell you, do not go into faith. Do not want do not celebrate!
        1. Armata
          Armata 29 July 2013 18: 20 New
          +8
          Quote: Alexander Romanov
          Hi Zhenya, do you celebrate Christmas, but Easter? And if you pose the question like this, then do we have only atheists in the country living.
          Hi Sanya. Don’t you think that not only believers live with us? I don’t celebrate Easter and I don’t observe fasting.
          Quote: Alexander Romanov
          What evil Christians you have, and by the way, without supposedly. Documents remained, and with regards to the hospital’s hospital, their native state has abbreviated them lately.
          http://sverdlovsk.vsedomarossii.ru/house/85842 вот госпиталь который сейчас хотят отмести.http://ekaterinburg.sutochno.ru/info/hrami_ekaterinburga А вот здесь посмотри как считают эти якобы "невесты христа" уже все вокруг своей территорией. Кстате там есть и все новострои с куполами на обратной у города территории.
          Quote: Alexander Romanov
          A monastery is better than a prison or is it more convenient for you with prisoners \?
          So now the hospital is there, but they invite him to leave here http://66.ru/club/423/blog/17241/.
          Quote: Alexander Romanov
          And the New Year was not forced for you, or 1 of May? Eugene, once again I tell you, do not go into faith. Do not want do not celebrate!
          No 1 of May for me is a holiday for all workers, not storytellers for decent loot. And the New Year has nothing to do with church holidays, do not confuse the warm with the fluffy.
          1. S_mirnov
            S_mirnov 29 July 2013 19: 01 New
            +3
            Well done Mechanic! Dike will support you "+"!
  • MIKHAN
    MIKHAN 29 July 2013 14: 51 New
    +9
    Of course, the bulk of the media today is only mocking and mocking what is holy to the people. But we, the Orthodox, know: the more they mock, the stronger our faith. Happy Orthodox!
  • MG42
    MG42 29 July 2013 15: 01 New
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    Quote: Recon
    There are too many temples and churches built. Can you imagine what huge funds are needed for this?

    Orthodox churches do not interfere with anyone ..
    Temples are built for sponsorship and donations from believers, when you go to the temple there is room to contribute for repairs and construction, as much as you can ..
    1. Vadivak
      Vadivak 29 July 2013 17: 47 New
      13
      Quote: MG42
      Orthodox churches do not interfere with anyone ..


      But why? Devils, for example, are sick of them.
      1. Armata
        Armata 29 July 2013 17: 59 New
        +1
        Quote: Vadivak
        Devils, for example, are sick of them.
        I'm sick of their dominance. They demolish the monuments without a twinge of their cross conscience and supposedly put temples in a historical place (although he was standing across the street according to all the documents, but now there is an office center, so they took a place of rest for people) Or that Vadim think they dedicated their whole life to God, and not to gold taurus?
        1. Alexander Romanov
          Alexander Romanov 29 July 2013 18: 02 New
          +9
          Quote: Mechanic
          I'm sick of their dominance.

          Oh, what made you so sick, and you have more than one patience in Russia. You can tear to Europe, now the "grace" of the church is closed, the crosses are torn down
          1. Armata
            Armata 29 July 2013 18: 24 New
            +2
            Quote: Alexander Romanov

            Oh, what made you so sick, and you have more than one patience in Russia. You can tear to Europe, now the "grace" of the church is closed, the crosses are torn down
            And for me on the drum. But here they are in complete expanse.
            1. Alexander Romanov
              Alexander Romanov 30 July 2013 01: 45 New
              +4
              Quote: Mechanic
              And for me on the drum. But here they are in complete expanse.

              0.5 rolled
        2. Vadivak
          Vadivak 29 July 2013 18: 17 New
          +5
          Quote: Mechanic
          Or what do you think Vadim thinks they have dedicated their whole life to God, and not to the golden calf?


          You see, Eugene, once it was dangerous to be a Komsomol member and a communist, then it was honorable, and then profitable, also with the Russian Orthodox Church, which with the advent of Peter became an office, it’s a fact, but your statements relate to earthly people, and I, for example, pray in a church I don’t look at what kind of watch my father’s watch is.

          Simply, everyone finds only what he can search.
          1. Armata
            Armata 29 July 2013 18: 31 New
            +5
            Quote: Vadivak
            Simply, everyone finds only what he can search.
            Know Vdim I can search and get to the truth. I see what they are doing with us like "father" and I see that I have only one god left, my conscience. And now let's all rush to be baptized (in 90, the larger the cross, the closer to God) well, now they are all very close to him. And the priests go to their 3 floor crosses of marble to sleep sweeter.
            1. Furnace driver
              Furnace driver 29 July 2013 19: 29 New
              -1
              I do not pretend to be the truth in the last vein, but still I would like to note as a person who thinks, judging by your posts:
              To deny that an infinitely whole universe is something reasonable is meaningless. The main thing is the understanding that you are an infinitesimal part of an infinitely whole, and even smaller infinitesimal parts of you are infinitely small parts of an infinitely whole, and that each of this infinitesimal part of an infinitely whole is dependent on both the infinitesimal part of an infinitesimal part of higher levels, so on an infinitely whole, and vice versa: an infinitely whole depends on all its infinitely small parts, regardless of the levels.

              Thus, we get a complex system (according to the theory of complex systems), which lives according to the laws of synergy (movement from one edge to another - the desire for harmony).

              And conscience is a set, a system of concepts laid down from birth, for example, concepts such as beauty, an ideal are given from birth ... this set can be replenished, subjected to changes depending on the environmental impact on the emerging personality.

              Unfortunately, not everyone was given the opportunity from birth to separate the grain from the chaff ... In fact, the church should play the role of a stabilizer of moral values ​​for such people, so as to poison them from chaos and base passions. Other such capable and reaching for an understanding of the essence of things such a guardianship is unnecessary.

              This is the nature of things: from birth, about 15% of 100 mice, about 15% of 100 fish, about 15% of 100 people are "dumb"; about 65% neither this nor that; the rest are able to think. If with the help of a developed society among people the percentage ratio can be straightened out to a more acceptable one, then this is wonderful. But what we notice is that hierarchs (albeit religious, albeit political) are striving opposite to regress in people, because it is easier to rule ignorant than thinking people.
            2. Vadivak
              Vadivak 29 July 2013 19: 30 New
              +6
              Quote: Mechanic
              I see what they’re doing like “priests” for us and I see that I have only one god left, my conscience


              That's what I wrote about, you don’t see God for those priests (who wouldn’t interfere with going to church).
        3. MG42
          MG42 29 July 2013 18: 25 New
          +4
          Quote: Mechanic
          I'm sick of their dominance.

          The sounds of one church bell represent something sublime, solemn; and if the ringing of several bells more or less coordinated among themselves is heard, then an even more magnificent euphony occurs.

          The powerful bell ringing, acting on our inner feeling, awakens our souls from the spiritual sleep. It is said that demons scatter from the sound of church bells, and with them all human misfortunes. So, in the blows of the church bell, a marvelous force hides, penetrating deeply into the hearts of men.

          The fact that bell ringing kills microbes and bacteria, expels rodents, has been known in Russia for a long time, but only now scientists have realized that this is due to the ultrasound emitted by the sounding bells. Small doses of ultrasound are now widely used in the food industry. The ultrasonic spectrum (more than 25 Hz), with its competent therapeutic use, accelerates the treatment of infectious diseases and enhances human immunity.

          Note. Scientists have found that the activity of microbes that have “overheard” bell ringing falls by an average of 40% (the secret of this lies in the ultrasound emitted by the sounding bells).

          It is known that ringleaders do not suffer from colds.


          Totally here >>>
          http://www.lightreiki.org/forum/119-3203-1
          1. Armata
            Armata 29 July 2013 18: 46 New
            0
            Quote: MG42
            Totally here >>>
            in xnumx church quarters. the bells just zadolbali already ringing. Only the wife was both sick and sick, and someone else’s problems do not go away (apparently we have devils, mutants, they are not afraid of them). So no big words.
            1. MG42
              MG42 29 July 2013 19: 01 New
              +7
              Quote: Mechanic
              2 blocks church. the bells are just sick of ringing

              There are about 80 mosques in Indonesia, and many of them use loudspeakers to broadcast azan, recite the Qur'an, and preach. During Ramadan, some mosques spend days broadcasting through the speakers, causing great inconvenience to residents of nearby neighborhoods - they interfere with sleeping for children, and cause discomfort to the elderly, sick and people with insomnia.

              http://www.ansar.ru/sobcor/2013/05/30/41151

              And on the contrary, we were looking for an apartment to buy so that it was not far from the Orthodox Church, but we did not find it at that moment, and the deadlines were urging us to move ..
              Quote: Mechanic
              Only the wife was both sick and sick, and even someone’s problems do not go away (apparently we have devils, mutants, they are not afraid of them).

              A person cannot be cured if he does not want to ..
  • Pashhenko Nikolay
    Pashhenko Nikolay 29 July 2013 15: 03 New
    +6
    Quote: Alexander Romanov
    .Now come up and throw out all your anger and hatred, but there is a big BUT

    I wonder why you dear Alexander Romanov took it that everyone who does not support your religious views necessarily have anger and hatred towards you personally or to believers in general? I am an atheist, but I treat believers with understanding and do not understand why you put a label on me and me such evil haters. In the end, I have the right to my own worldview?
    1. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 29 July 2013 15: 07 New
      11
      Quote: Pashhenko Nikolay

      It’s interesting why you, dear Alexander Romanov, took it that everyone who doesn’t support your religious views will necessarily feel anger and hatred towards you personally or to believers in general

      I read the comments of these people, I read that they write to me in PM. I see their minuses, which they put in retaliation for the warning issued related to rudeness or something else.
      Quote: Pashhenko Nikolay
      I am an atheist, but I treat believers with understanding and don’t understand why you are labeling me and similar evil haters.

      There are many atheists and many of them either simply bypass religious articles or are treated with respect. We are talking about others whose Orthodoxy causes heartburn.
    2. Vadivak
      Vadivak 29 July 2013 17: 09 New
      +3
      Quote: Pashhenko Nikolay
      I am an atheist, but I have an understanding of believers

      I wonder what this attitude is expressed in. I ask without irony
      1. MG42
        MG42 29 July 2013 17: 30 New
        +2
        Quote: Vadivak
        I wonder what this attitude is expressed in.

        Vadim, today c <understand) relate to believers, and yesterday there was <empathy> sad

        http://topwar.ru/31356-kreschenie-rusi-nachalo-i-osnova-rossiyskogo-gosudarstva.

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        1. Ruslan_F38
          Ruslan_F38 29 July 2013 20: 36 New
          +4
          Quote: MG42
          Quote: Vadivak
          I wonder what this attitude is expressed in.

          Vadim, today c <understand) relate to believers, and yesterday there was <empathy> sad

          http://topwar.ru/31356-kreschenie-rusi-nachalo-i-osnova-rossiyskogo-gosudarstva.


          html


          I participated yesterday in the “discussion” you have indicated - so much hatred, disrespect for believers, so much time I have not seen so much inner emptiness and indifference. Why there is so much anger towards Christianity and believers - I do not understand. Maybe from the lack of freedom of religion in Soviet Russia.
          1. MG42
            MG42 30 July 2013 00: 25 New
            +3
            Quote: Ruslan_F38
            Participated in the "discussion" you indicated yesterday

            Yes, I saw a lot of minuses you set <opponents> .. sad
            Quote: Ruslan_F38
            so much hatred, disrespect for believers, so much inner emptiness and indifference have not met for a long time.

            Today, the discussion in a calmer way turned out .. Maybe because for 2 days in a row the branches are similar ..
  • Rakti-kali
    Rakti-kali 29 July 2013 15: 14 New
    0
    The holiday is undoubtedly good. It’s just impossible to make it state, as some suggest, in any case, because then public holidays will have to make Islamic day in Russia, the day of the all-blessing Buddha in Russia, the day of the Hindu in Russia, the day of the Jew in Russia, as well as the days of shamanism, animism and other isms. And who will be against this variety, if you please pay money or go to a public institution, because you can not insult the feelings of believers.
    1. agbykov
      agbykov 29 July 2013 16: 53 New
      +8
      Your statement that "public holidays will have to make Islamic day in Russia, the day of the all-blessing Buddha in Russia, the day of the Hindu in Russia, the day of the Jew in Russia, as well as the days of shamanism, animism and other isisms", it would be true if the mentioned religions have had the same (or at least even comparable) influence on our Russian civilization. And if not, then be a democrat - recognize the right of the majority.
      1. Rakti-kali
        Rakti-kali 29 July 2013 21: 44 New
        -1
        Quote: agbykov
        if the religions you mentioned had the same (or at least even comparable) influence on our Russian civilization. And if not, then be a democrat - recognize the right of the majority.

        Come on? Muslims, Buddhists, Jews, shamanists, animists did not have any influence on the Russian culture? Can you prove this possible thesis? Or Khanate of Kazan, Astrakhan, Crimean is an empty phrase in the history of Russia? And Siberia (those same animists and shamanists) is probably an insignificant phenomenon in the history of Russia?
        There is no need here to faithfully portray believers. Not according to words, but we are judged according to deeds.
        Py. Sy. And the ending is ... accepted now ... And believers are not only Christians.
        1. agbykov
          agbykov 29 July 2013 22: 52 New
          +2
          I did not claim that they had no influence. I argued that the influence of Orthodoxy was and is disproportionately large.
  • seller trucks
    seller trucks 29 July 2013 15: 15 New
    +6
    and I was amused by the news of how, at the celebration of Epiphany in Kiev, the schismatic and deceiver, rector of the UOC UP Filaret, was cheated. Patriarch Cyril, handsome.
  • Pashhenko Nikolay
    Pashhenko Nikolay 29 July 2013 15: 16 New
    +2
    Quote: Alexander Romanov
    . I see their drawbacks, which put in retaliation for the warning posed related to rudeness or something else.

    I will not hide the minuses, and I put the article to you because I believe that both the article and you are promoting Orthodoxy, which in my opinion is not entirely appropriate on the military-patriotic website. After all, do we have patriots of all faiths in our country?
    1. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 29 July 2013 15: 26 New
      +8
      Quote: Pashhenko Nikolay
      I will not hide the minuses and I put the article to you because I believe that both the article and you are promoting Orthodoxy, which in my opinion is not entirely appropriate on the military-patriotic site.

      Yes, I saw your minus, there is a desire to put it even before the lantern. With regards to the place, this is not the place .. At least when it comes to patriotism, there are not a few patrites in our country Orthodox, not a few soldiers and officers Orthodox and with sincere faith. Orthodoxy is part of our country, part of the people, part of culture, an integral part!
      As for your opinion, what is appropriate and what is not. Open your sites and there you will consider what is appropriate and what is not. The administration of the site considers it appropriate!
      Quote: Pashhenko Nikolay
      .After all, in our country are patriots of all faiths?

      Yes, to you that before this, you are an atheist, and representatives of other faiths will speak for themselves, without your help. By the way, there were no complaints from other faiths, only from pagans and atheists, as it is not strange.
      1. dmb
        dmb 29 July 2013 16: 22 New
        +2
        Dear A. Romanov, how do you rate Mr. Sanul's statement in 15: 32? In my opinion, it is not much different from what you should say “a warning in connection with rudeness or something else”. I'm not talking about the nearness of this gentleman, because while he lives solely due to that. what was built on the ideas and under the leadership of the communists.
        1. Alexander Romanov
          Alexander Romanov 29 July 2013 16: 43 New
          +2
          Quote: dmb
          I'm not talking about the nearness of this gentleman, because while he lives solely due to that. what was built on the ideas and under the leadership of the communists.

          But it’s not how I don’t evaluate it, I wrote it as part of the rules. Regarding communist ideas, that is, on S-Mirnov’s website, all his comments are built on that. I’ve been asking him for a photo of the American base in Ulyanovsk for three days. but there is a base, he seems to know for sure request
          1. dmb
            dmb 29 July 2013 20: 36 New
            0
            But in vain. I'm not talking about your duty as a moderator. there are at least a dozen gentlemen on the site who not only claim that Orthodoxy is good, this position is understandable and respected, but these gentlemen are trying to humiliate everyone else and show that they are "Chetlan". (although sometimes they are not very literate, and all the rest are “patsaks” only because they are Orthodox, and all the others are not. For some reason, it was these associations that I, just like the others, caused your passage about “splashed malice”.
            1. agbykov
              agbykov 29 July 2013 22: 55 New
              +2
              Please give specific examples, do not need a dozen, at least a few gentlemen who tried to humiliate you and people like you.
      2. Gregazov
        Gregazov 29 July 2013 18: 24 New
        +3
        There are no atheists in the trenches
        1. grafrozow
          grafrozow 29 July 2013 20: 39 New
          +1
          Quote: GregAzov
          There are no atheists in the trenches

          In prison, too, when we speak poorly, Lord help me ..
      3. Furnace driver
        Furnace driver 29 July 2013 19: 38 New
        0
        me as an Orthodox, such fanatics from religion as you are, to put it mildly, alarming.
        but the Orthodox are okay: these, even in our country, are not involved in terrorism, but the trouble with the Islamists ...
    2. Force 83
      Force 83 29 July 2013 16: 15 New
      +4
      I agree that Buddhists or Catholics or Jews, too, are patriots, but not Muslims. This is how she remained the 5th colony, and apart from the Turks and Arabs and generally any Muslim countries, they have no friends. All the rest are enemies for them.
    3. Vadivak
      Vadivak 29 July 2013 17: 22 New
      +6
      Quote: Pashhenko Nikolay
      which, in my opinion, is not entirely appropriate on a military-patriotic website. Do we have patriots of all faiths in our country?


      From a historical point of view, you are wrong, it was the Christian rulers and soldiers who multiplied Russia with lands and repulsed attacks, oddly enough even the great Georgian was from seminarians
  • KazaK Bo
    KazaK Bo 29 July 2013 15: 22 New
    10
    Yesterday I participated in the procession ... Several thousand people walked through the center of Krasnodar from Catherine’s Cathedral to St. Al. NEVSKY. I can’t say that they were fanatics and exalted adherents of the faith. They were ordinary residents of the city ... from representatives of the marginalized strata, the working people, the intelligentsia, to established and self-sufficient businessmen. Together with the old women there were children, youth, a generation of 40-50 year old wise life. The composition of those who walked was very different ... but all of them were united by the Orthodox faith!
    The unity of thoughts, deeds, common guidelines for motivating our life’s journey — that’s what we are lacking in the turbulent stream of life's ups and downs. It will be, ... it may be less theft and ... fraud ... killings ... maybe our thoughts will be cleaner ... But for this we need to believe ... and we still only believe ... t e. - the canons of Orthodoxy have not become decisive in our everyday life.
  • Sanyl
    Sanyl 29 July 2013 15: 32 New
    0
    The holiday is good. Only our priests rave again:

    That is, the Baptism of Russia went on for 900 years, and then the invasion of the communist infection threw our country decades ago. In the battle with her, we lost hundreds of millions of people, but, as always, saved Europe: first from the Mongols, then from the Communists. This is the role of our people.

    Why does our church, not faith, namely the church, believe that this people lives for it, and not the church exists for the people?
    1. maxvik
      maxvik 29 July 2013 15: 56 New
      +5
      Quote: Sanyl
      Only our priests rave again:


      Please tell me how many priests have you personally communicated? Why such a harsh diagnosis?
      1. Sanyl
        Sanyl 29 July 2013 17: 54 New
        +2
        I meant the author of the quote from the article - Metropolitan Illarion, who broadcast about the "communist infection."
        As well as the Russian Orthodox Church, which in the 90s lived by importing into the country poison in the form of alcohol and cigarettes from abroad.
        1. maxvik
          maxvik 29 July 2013 18: 38 New
          +5
          Well, and then all the "priests", but they are also different and also love Russia.
          And on the import of alcohol and cigarettes there is such a version:
          these were the benefits that were in force from the beginning of 1996 to November 4, 1996. Canceled at the request of Patriarch Alexy II. They were also used by the Russian Fund for the Disabled in the War in Afghanistan, the National Sports Fund, and the 50th Anniversary of Victory Fund.
    2. agbykov
      agbykov 29 July 2013 17: 04 New
      0
      Where did you find the statement that "the church believes that these people live for it" ???
    3. Vadivak
      Vadivak 29 July 2013 17: 45 New
      +1
      Quote: Sanyl
      , and then the invasion of the communist infection threw our country decades back.


      Under the ax the church was put by the tsar reformer, and under the Germans (in which state is the king-instructor possible?) What Orthodoxy? But under the Communists, those who went there except the persecution didn’t shine as ministers
  • Yuri Y.
    Yuri Y. 29 July 2013 16: 25 New
    +6
    Quote: Alexander Romanov
    There are many atheists, and many of them either simply bypass religious articles or are treated with respect

    I can’t get past articles about the baptism of Russia, because I consider it a very important date in our history. I believe that it was thanks to Orthodoxy and the church that the people maintained sufficient unity to build such a state as Russia. Nobody argues that the story was before baptism, but it was after him that Russian statehood and strength began to grow. Therefore, this article can also be published on this site. If we talk about other faiths, it seems to me that a normal person will not mind if in Kazan, for example, they will celebrate the day of the adoption of Islam. Here I like the words of GDP about Russians and Tatars: we grew up together.
    1. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 29 July 2013 16: 48 New
      +8
      Quote: Yuri I.
      . If we talk about other faiths, it seems to me that a normal person will not mind if in Kazan, for example, they will celebrate the day of the adoption of Islam.

      You know, the Orthodox do not use faith to elevate themselves above others, the Islamists will do it right away. Not long ago, they demanded to remove the symbols of Orthodoxy from the coat of arms of Russia. Faith must have patience, but they do not have this patience and respect for others. You can argue for a long time, but I think it's well known how the representatives of different religions behave.
      Putin’s words, rather a reminder of the youth, that they would remember. We and Ukraine have been together for 1000 years hi
      1. Evgeniy46
        Evgeniy46 29 July 2013 23: 20 New
        +1
        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        We have been together with Ukraine for 1000 years

        plus another fifteen hundred years - you won’t be mistaken hi
  • NEMO
    NEMO 29 July 2013 16: 29 New
    +5
    Arrangement of the canonical territory of the Russian Orthodox Church since July 16, 2013
    Canonical Territory: most b. USSR (Russia, Ukraine, Belarus, Moldova, Azerbaijan, Kazakhstan, Kyrgyzstan, Latvia, Lithuania, Tajikistan, Turkmenistan, Uzbekistan, Estonia), China, Japan; in the "diaspora" it is most represented in Germany, the USA, France, it also operates in other countries of Western Europe, North America, South America, Asia and New Zealand; in the canonical territory of other local Churches is in charge of a number of representative offices and other institutions
    Look at the map (clickable) and the title of the article will become clear, thanks to the author
    1. MG42
      MG42 29 July 2013 16: 57 New
      +4
      In Ukraine there is the UOC-MP

      official site

      http://orthodox.org.ua/ru

      His Beatitude VLADIMIR, Metropolitan of Kiev and All Ukraine, Primate of the Ukrainian Orthodox Church
      In the world - Victor Markanovich Sabodan

      ===========================================

      But there are schismatics of the UOC-KP that are not recognized by the MP

      official site

      http://www.cerkva.info/ru/web-sites/site-uoc-kp.html

      <His Holiness Patriarch of Kiev and All Russia-Ukraine FILARET> (in the world - Mikhail Antonovich Denisenko)
      Filaret recently spoke on the news about the alleged desire to form a Ukrainian local church

      Ukrainian video >>> winked

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YXHaOBxm2yE
      1. MG42
        MG42 30 July 2013 00: 55 New
        +2
        Patriarch Filaret and his six hundredth Mercedes with special. number <777>
        1. studentmati
          studentmati 30 July 2013 01: 03 New
          +1
          Quote: MG42
          Patriarch Filaret and his six hundredth Mercedes with special. number <777>


          Random match of numbers! lol Fortunately, not 666! request
          1. MG42
            MG42 30 July 2013 01: 15 New
            +2
            Quote: studentmati
            Fortunately, not 666!

            This is the number of the beast, although I do not sympathize with Filaret, but still it is <unfortunate humor> ..
            1. studentmati
              studentmati 30 July 2013 01: 25 New
              +1
              Quote: MG42
              This is the number of the beast, although I do not sympathize with Filaret, but still it is <unfortunate humor> ..


              I’m not trying to “humor”. The first thing that upsets is the use of a foreign automobile industry, and the second is that people with a similar status should, in conscience, move around, as a rule, without “special” identification marks! Why emphasize your status if, by definition, you are already a STATUS?
              1. MG42
                MG42 30 July 2013 01: 34 New
                +3
                Quote: studentmati
                The first thing that upsets is the use of a foreign car industry

                In Ukraine, only Daewoo Lanos and Tavria are produced, so it’s a decent car for taxi drivers ..
                Quote: studentmati
                and the second is that persons with a similar status should, in conscience, move around, as a rule, without “special” identification marks!

                secrets of Ukrainian numbers >>>
                http://www.pink.com.ua/?n=958446
                1. studentmati
                  studentmati 30 July 2013 01: 44 New
                  +1
                  Quote: MG42
                  secrets of Ukrainian numbers >>>


                  It happens!!! sad
        2. Yarosvet
          Yarosvet 30 July 2013 02: 13 New
          +3
          Quote: MG42
          Patriarch Filaret and his six hundredth Mercedes with special. number

          Our cooler
          1. studentmati
            studentmati 30 July 2013 02: 17 New
            0
            Beautiful in all plans of a car !!! What to do? status obliges !!! if only for the glory of the Fatherland !!! drinks I respect Cyril !!! hi
            1. Yarosvet
              Yarosvet 30 July 2013 02: 28 New
              -1
              Quote: studentmati
              status obliges !!! if only for the glory of the Fatherland !!!

              And where is the glory of the Fatherland? More like a dubbing.
              And the status of Cyril has nothing to do with the Fatherland.
              1. studentmati
                studentmati 30 July 2013 02: 54 New
                0
                Quote: Yarosvet
                And the status of Cyril has nothing to do with the Fatherland.


                Let me disagree with you! stop

                Having rejected all status, religious and political affiliation, I consider Cyril to be a smart, competent and educated person and citizen, because I talked to him “live” ... hi
                1. Yarosvet
                  Yarosvet 30 July 2013 03: 09 New
                  +1
                  Quote: studentmati
                  Let me disagree with you!

                  Having rejected all status, religious and political affiliation, I consider Cyril to be a smart, competent and educated person and citizen, because I talked to him “live” ...


                  Alexander, but what exactly do you disagree with?

                  I haven’t written anywhere that he is a stupid, illiterate, uneducated non-citizen. I argued that his status was not related to the Fatherland.
                  Why, for some reason, do you discard what I claimed and disagree with what I did not say - how is that?

                  And by the way - why "live" in quotation marks?
              2. studentmati
                studentmati 30 July 2013 03: 16 New
                -1
                Quote: Yarosvet
                Cyril’s status has nothing to do with the Fatherland.


                I do not understand this phrase?
                1. Yarosvet
                  Yarosvet 30 July 2013 03: 36 New
                  +1
                  Quote: studentmati
                  I do not understand this phrase?

                  Well then - you write that "status is obligatory, if only for the glory of the Fatherland."
                  That is, let him move on such cars, since his status obliges him to this (I wonder why his status would oblige him to do this), the main thing is that this movement on such cars should be to the glory of the Fatherland.

                  However, the status of Cyril is in no way connected either with the fatherland, or with the state, or with the country - it is associated with a particular denomination of a particular religion. And as a result - his movement on any vehicle (at least on the armored train on which he arrived in Kiev) also has nothing to do with the glory of the Fatherland.
                  1. studentmati
                    studentmati 30 July 2013 03: 53 New
                    +1
                    Quote: Yarosvet

                    However, the status of Cyril is in no way connected either with the fatherland, or with the state, or with the country - it is associated with a particular denomination of a particular religion. And as a result - his movement on any vehicle (at least on the armored train on which he arrived in Kiev) also has nothing to do with the glory of the Fatherland.



                    The status of Cyril is directly related to the Fatherland !!! Cyril is the specific leader of a particular denomination in a particular State, preaching a particular religion for more than 1025 years!

                    The country is multiconfessional - I agree!

                    Cyril is the object of protection of the FSO. This is about an armored train, although it was an ordinary train ...

                    The proof to the contrary, you, dear, did not show any evidence!
                    1. Yarosvet
                      Yarosvet 30 July 2013 04: 05 New
                      0
                      Quote: studentmati
                      The status of Cyril is directly related to the Fatherland !!!
                      How so?

                      Cyril is the specific leader of a particular denomination in a particular State, preaching a particular religion for more than 1025 years!
                      Great - is this religion a state religion?

                      The country is multiconfessional - I agree!
                      That's right, besides the secular state - therefore, no religion, denomination and their heads have state status.

                      Cyril is the object of protection of the FSO.
                      True, and this is a violation - both legal and dogmatic.

                      This is about an armored train, although it was an ordinary train ...
                      The proof to the contrary, you, dear, did not show any evidence!
                      And I can’t imagine - for what I bought, for that I sell it - the media is full of things.
                      1. studentmati
                        studentmati 30 July 2013 04: 14 New
                        0
                        I'm leaving the argument. Thanks for your attention!
                      2. Yarosvet
                        Yarosvet 30 July 2013 04: 22 New
                        0
                        Well - good luck to you. drinks
            2. Alexander Romanov
              Alexander Romanov 30 July 2013 03: 34 New
              +4
              Quote: Yarosvet
              And the status of Cyril has nothing to do with the Fatherland.

              Maybe it’s not yours, but it’s to Russia! How would you not like that!
              1. Yarosvet
                Yarosvet 30 July 2013 03: 54 New
                +1
                Quote: Alexander Romanov
                but it has to Russia!

                What kind?
        3. Yarosvet
          Yarosvet 30 July 2013 02: 22 New
          +5
          And this is the Serbian patriarch - Paul, who said: "If the bishops, knowing the commandment of the Savior on non-possessiveness, have such machines, then what kind of machines would they have if this commandment were not?"
          1. studentmati
            studentmati 30 July 2013 02: 26 New
            0
            Quote: Yarosvet
            And this is the Serbian patriarch ... the commandment of the savior on non-possession .... "[/ b]


            The true face appears here ....
  • Standard Oil
    Standard Oil 29 July 2013 16: 53 New
    10
    But isn’t our church separated from the state? If so, how can a church holiday be a state holiday? And if not, then why is it a pretense and contradictions in article 14 of the constitution? Now I will be banned or banned, but in my opinion the church is not separated from state, and from taxes.
    1. agbykov
      agbykov 29 July 2013 17: 10 New
      +1
      In my opinion, it is more correct to say that a public holiday can also be a church holiday. There is no violation of the Constitution here.
      Separation of the church from the state does not prohibit us from talking about Christianity and showing what it means to our people.
    2. maxvik
      maxvik 29 July 2013 17: 14 New
      +3
      As soon as the believers or the church proposes any changes, everyone says that we have a secular state and the church should not interfere in state affairs.
      You use manipulation, namely the substitution of concepts. To offer and do something does not mean violating secularism.
      It is in Russia that the church is separated from the state, because priests do not receive salaries from the state and there is no tax in favor of the church.
      But you forget that Orthodox believers in Russia are more than a third of the population. But what about their rights?
      1. Alexander Romanov
        Alexander Romanov 29 July 2013 17: 23 New
        +2
        Quote: maxvik
        everyone says that we have a secular state and the church should not interfere in state affairs

        Well, not all, although Hitler thought so. Yes, and many Western politicians are now shouting the same thing at every corner, but everyone knows what this leads to.
    3. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 29 July 2013 17: 21 New
      +5
      Quote: Standard Oil
      Now they will bury me or ban me,

      And what did you write to ban you?
      Quote: Standard Oil
      If so, how can a church holiday be a state holiday?

      Orthodoxy is the only thing that now unites people in the entire post-Soviet space. How it will be, it will be so.
    4. agbykov
      agbykov 29 July 2013 17: 23 New
      +1
      The meaning of separating the Church from the state is that the Church as an institution, as a public organization, does not interfere in the internal affairs of the state. And the state does not interfere in the internal affairs of the Church. This does not mean that some kind of barrier exists.
    5. agbykov
      agbykov 29 July 2013 17: 29 New
      +1
      "and open the Tax Code? No one has exempted from personal income tax, social tax, contributions to the Pension Fund. The following incomes are not taken into account for income tax: property (including cash) and (or) property rights received by religious organizations to carry out statutory activities; type of property (including money) and (or) property rights received by a religious organization in connection with the performance of religious rites and ceremonies and from the sale of religious literature and religious objects. only in relation to objects of religious significance VAT: Not subject to taxation (exempt from taxation) in the territory of the operation: sale (transfer for own needs) of religious objects and religious literature (in accordance with the list approved by the Government of the Russian Federation on the proposal of religious organizations (associations) produced by religious organizations (associations) and organizations, the sole founders (participants) of which are religious organizations (associations), and sold data or other religious organizations (associations) and organizations, the sole founders (participants) of which are religious organizations (associations), in the framework of religious activities, excluding excisable goods and mineral raw materials, as well as the organization and holding of religious ceremonies, ceremonies, and prayer organizations by these organizations meetings or other cult activities. Property tax: religious organizations are exempted - in relation to property used by them for religious activities.
      Land tax - religious organizations are exempted from payment - in relation to their land plots on which buildings, structures and structures of religious and charitable purposes are located "- http://ustav.livejournal.com/913089.html

      On a common basis, taxes are paid (income, transport, land, property) and clergy, regardless of affiliation to a particular denomination.

      Also see http://www.patriarchia.ru/db/document/158183/
      1. Standard Oil
        Standard Oil 29 July 2013 18: 17 New
        0
        In passing all of the above, as it should be for me, a man woke up in the morning, looked at the calendar, so today is the anniversary of the Baptism of Russia, I’m going to the temple perfectly, I’ll be happy for my brothers in faith, etc. Or another person woke up in the morning, today July 28, a day like day, I didn’t do anything special. The state is here, religion is neither the state here controls the church in China, nor the church climbs into the state with its own initiatives, such as interfering with the school curriculum or introducing church holidays into state ones. In the end, Russia existed before baptism and existed after it, explain what happened to people after they were baptized? Did they get +10 to dexterity, or +30 to protection? Princes both cut each other and cut as the maniacs still remained, the Mongols went through the butter like a knife and religion did not help either Russia or the West because both were defeated and either paid tribute directly or indirectly like Novgorod. I honestly tried to understand for a very long time, well didn’t it give the adoption of the Christianity of Russia? If it gave any clear advantages, I don’t see them because Vera itself can hardly be an assistant, in any case, under Hattin, faith did not help the army of the Kingdom of Jerusalem defeat Saladin, and even it seems like the cross on which Jesus himself was crucified. Although Christianity had one advantage, it helped to keep the common people in check when the king is the anointed of God on earth, and the simple peasant was hammered into his head from childhood, do not dare to grumble, for the king himself God gave a mandate! I don’t know how many people read Edward Gibbon and his story “The Decline and Destruction of the Roman Empire” so there is a good phrase that “In those days, authority was either secular authority or a church that could act as a protector of the simple people from the arbitrariness of worldly authorities, but too often the flags of the church developed on the side of those in power. "With respect
    6. Vadivak
      Vadivak 29 July 2013 17: 56 New
      +4
      Quote: Standard Oil
      Now they will bury me or ban me, but in my opinion the church is not separated from the state, but from taxes.


      Boris, you're wrong. smile You can come to me too.


      Any religious community (Orthodox, Muslim, Catholic, Protestant, Jewish, etc.) is a public organization whose purpose is to satisfy the spiritual needs of people, it is registered in the justice department or in the tax. Therefore, it pays taxes, as a non-profit autonomous organization: property tax, income tax (if it is engaged in entrepreneurial activity: publishing, selling religious literature and paraphernalia) .... also UST, if there are employees. In addition, reports are also submitted to the tax authorities.


      Laws on political parties and religious organizations, on non-profit bodies

      Sincerely.
      1. Standard Oil
        Standard Oil 29 July 2013 18: 32 New
        0
        Income tax does not include the following incomes: property (including cash) and (or) property rights received by religious organizations to carry out statutory activities; type of property (including money) and (or) property rights that are received by a religious organization in connection with the performance of religious rites and ceremonies and from the sale of religious literature and religious objects. Property tax - only in relation to objects of religious significance. VAT: Not subject to taxation (exempt from taxation) on the territory of the operation: sale (transfer for own needs) of religious objects and religious literature (in accordance with the list approved by the Government of the Russian Federation on the proposal of religious organizations (associations) produced by religious organizations (associations) and organizations, the sole founders (participants) of which are religious organizations (associations), and implemented by these or other religious organizations (associations) and organizations, whose sole founders (participants) are religious organizations (associations), in the framework of religious activities, excluding excisable goods and minerals, as well as the organization and conduct of religious ceremonies, ceremonies, prayer meetings or other religious activities by the specified organizations Tax on property: religious organizations are exempted - in relation to property used by him and for religious activities.
        Land tax - religious organizations are exempted from payment - in relation to their land plots on which buildings, structures and structures of religious and charitable purposes are located. The tax code is by the way.
        Can you imagine what scope for fraud?
  • Egoza
    Egoza 29 July 2013 17: 10 New
    +8
    The holiday was good. The people celebrated with all their heart. What pleased us was that “Freedom” did not succeed in disrupting the prayer service on Vladimirskaya Gorka, and the incident was amused among artists. Although personally I in this case are on the side of the artist
    "In the art and museum center" Mystetsky Arsenal ", where today, with the participation of President Viktor Yanukovych, Patriarch Filaret and Metropolitan Vladimir, the opening of the Great and Majestic exhibition took place, a scandal erupted. Director of the Arsenal Natalya Zabolotnaya painted the work of artist Vladimir Kuzivetsov black on the eve : The Last Judgment ", which depicted judges, priests and deputies boiling in a cauldron, drunk majors at the wheel, as well as events in Vradiyevka and the theme of Chernobyl. LIGA writes about this iznesInform. "
    1. MG42
      MG42 29 July 2013 17: 39 New
      +8
      On this day, churches of the Russian Orthodox Church were united by a wave of bell ringing - several thousand churches simultaneously celebrated the holiday with a special 15-minute chime.
  • rereture
    rereture 29 July 2013 17: 27 New
    +2
    What can we say about people who were atheists 30–40 years ago, if they so quickly switched to “faith”, would they not switch to their other opinions and preferences, for example, at the expense of their homeland?
    1. maxvik
      maxvik 29 July 2013 17: 40 New
      +1
      I don’t understand what conclusion?
      All overstepped in advance to shoot ??))
      1. rereture
        rereture 29 July 2013 17: 42 New
        +1
        Output? Is it possible to trust such people. I think no.
        1. agbykov
          agbykov 29 July 2013 17: 49 New
          0
          This is how not to trust the sight of a blind man ...
          see Gospel of John, chap. 9 http://www.patriarchia.ru/bible/jn/9/
        2. Alexander Romanov
          Alexander Romanov 29 July 2013 18: 00 New
          +1
          Quote: rereture
          Output? Is it possible to trust such people. I think no.

          And it’s not your atheists who ruined the USSR, headed by Gorbaty. Here there was a field of atheism and sold everything and everyone.
        3. maxvik
          maxvik 29 July 2013 18: 44 New
          +4
          Do not trust everyone directly? Without exception?
          And if not for everyone, then how to sort them and who will do it?
          But do people have the right to change their minds, to change at all?
          Or if he changed his mind in something, is that all, a potential traitor?
        4. grafrozow
          grafrozow 29 July 2013 21: 03 New
          +2
          Quote: rereture
          Output? Is it possible to trust such people. I think no.

          Who did not fall, that did not rise. Let everyone hang up or shoot him for his mistake. Who will? Name at least one person who has lived a life and never made a mistake.
    2. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 29 July 2013 17: 59 New
      +3
      Quote: rereture
      if they so quickly went over to the "faith"

      You can’t switch over to faith, you can only accept it!
    3. grafrozow
      grafrozow 29 July 2013 20: 56 New
      +1
      Quote: rereture
      What can we say about people who were atheists 30–40 years ago, if they so quickly switched to “faith”, would they not switch to their other opinions and preferences, for example, at the expense of their homeland?

      Do you know what confession is? If a person came to church and repented, there is a hope that he realized his sin and will not repeat it again. This is bad?
  • MIKHAN
    MIKHAN 29 July 2013 18: 30 New
    10
    I’m baptized Orthodox (baptized in my mature years with my son) I won’t call myself a good believer .. fasting, etc. I don’t observe it .. but in my heart I am Orthodox ... Now there are attacks on the Russian Orthodox Church .. trying to bring confusion to the souls of Orthodox .. And it goes on many sites and in the media .. And it’s not without reason that Orthodoxy see the foundation of Russia and this core is being bitten by the media of both ours and Western ones .. The most annoying thing is that this info war is going on on the patriotic site .. (Alexander Romanov, thank you. . that you do not let picking in our souls ..) noticed as soon as the topic was opened by Orthodoxy (on the idea of ​​this topic just congratulated each other on a great date) but no crow came and pecking .. they begin to croak .. I wrote from the heart it’s just insulting. .Once again with the holiday Orthodox Russia!The very word LawGlory speaks for itself ..
    1. maxvik
      maxvik 29 July 2013 18: 48 New
      +3
      Thanks, mutual!
  • Alexanderlaskov
    Alexanderlaskov 29 July 2013 18: 36 New
    +8
    It is incomprehensible the negative attitude of many to the strengthening of the influence of the church. Everyone seems to agree that Russia should have a great goal, an idea. Which would unite our country and not only it. Orthodoxy in Ukraine, Belarus, Georgia, Syria and other countries. Many unbelievers recognize the moral power of the commandments. Happy holiday!
    1. Vadivak
      Vadivak 29 July 2013 19: 37 New
      +4
      Quote: Alexanderlaskov
      Many unbelievers recognize the moral power of the commandments.


      Commandments, because they forbid filth. So the Europeans began the fight against Christianity, and they decompose our citizens, by any means, though Europe will soon be Muslim, like France and England, and instead of the commandments they will still have another holy book - the Quran
  • soldier's grandson
    soldier's grandson 29 July 2013 18: 54 New
    0
    the article says that the communist infection threw the country back decades and that in the battle with it they lost hundreds of millions of people, who lost it? I don’t understand the West?
    1. grafrozow
      grafrozow 29 July 2013 21: 11 New
      0
      Quote: soldier's grandson
      the article says that the communist infection threw the country back decades and that in the battle with it they lost hundreds of millions of people, who lost it? I don’t understand the West?

      Read the passage to the end, and re-read it again, thoughtfully.
  • Standard Oil
    Standard Oil 29 July 2013 19: 36 New
    +2
    Finally, I’ll deflate the 203 mm howitzer in the face of the Gibbon already quoted by me, in the form of its quote:
    “Religion is regarded by ordinary people as true, smart as false, and rulers as useful.” I would also like to ask respected defenders, but you don’t notice that only black and white already exists for you, you can quote the Chekhov’s Chamber No. 6 ", but I won’t, for those who know me will understand, and let the ignoramuses go and read the classics.
    PS Minus did not read Chekhov!
    1. agbykov
      agbykov 29 July 2013 21: 11 New
      -2
      Regarding the phrase of Gibbon: a proud, but, alas, not smart person could say that (although he wrote himself in smart ones :)).
    2. agbykov
      agbykov 29 July 2013 21: 19 New
      -1
      Not black and white. It is like a debate between the sighted and the hearing with the blind and deaf about how the world around looks.

      See the reason for blindness and deafness in verses 11-15 Ch. 13 Gospel of Matthew:
      11 He answered them: for what is given to you to know the secrets of the Kingdom of Heaven, but not given to them,
      12 For he who has, it will be given to him and will increase; but he who does not have, that which has also will be taken away;
      13 therefore I speak to them in parables, because when they see they do not see, and when they hear they do not hear, and do not understand;
      14 and the prophecy of Isaiah comes true over them, which says: hear with your hearing - and you will not understand, and with your eyes you will see - and you will not see
      15 For the heart of these people has become coarser and they can hardly hear with their ears, and they have closed their eyes, that they may not see with their eyes and hear with their ears, and that they cannot understand with their hearts, and that they will not turn, that I may heal them.
    3. grafrozow
      grafrozow 29 July 2013 21: 53 New
      +2
      Quote: Standard Oil
      Finally, I’ll deflate a 203 mm howitzer

      In fact, a 203mm howitzer was pulled by the Stalinets tractor.
    4. Vadivak
      Vadivak 30 July 2013 10: 29 New
      +2
      Quote: Standard Oil
      "Religion is regarded by ordinary people as true, by smart as false,


      Fighting according to your logic, if religion says don’t steal, don’t commit adultery, don’t want it, does the smart one do the opposite? That's what I see how smart people steal from us without a twinge of conscience, while ordinary people pay taxes. Religion puts the mind in the framework, and the mind does not want to be within, it seeks freedom and finds the devil. Understand Borya the end of the world will be, and not because the sun goes out, but because a mind free from God will find a way to kill life on earth
      1. Standard Oil
        Standard Oil 30 July 2013 14: 57 New
        +1
        And why can’t you just live without stealing without indulging in debauchery, and at the same time not believe in God? How many murderers and maniacs were atheists? And how many Christians? Nobody knows, and never knows. Here I saw our "beloved at various church holidays "Serdyukov in the temple, stood, humbly baptized, and robbed the country with his other hand, and how many like him still go to the temple, and then he teaches us how to live? And our patriarch, who wears an hour’s watch like a hundred of my salaries and dissects me with a convoy and blinkers, is this normal? I never considered myself an atheist, and consider myself a Christian, but I don’t want to have anything in common with Orthodoxy or Catholicism because both of them are mired in vice and this is visible to the naked eye, I do not impose my point on anyone view, I just have illusions on Christian values ​​that should be respected by everyone from the Patriarch / Pope to the ordinary priest.
  • MIKHAN
    MIKHAN 29 July 2013 19: 45 New
    +3
    Quote: soldier's grandson
    the article says that the communist infection threw the country back decades and that in the battle with it they lost hundreds of millions of people, who lost it? I don’t understand the West?

    You distort .. Whatever ideology was in Russia .. (Stalin when the Germans stood near Moscow he remembered faith ..) Orthodoxy as if trampled out of our souls, it is always present at a subconscious level .. in the Russian soul .. VOV "Forward Slavs "My father, an ardent communist, was born in the year 43 from dying of hunger .. (the great-grandmother repaired or ground her with herbs ..) I was sometimes baptized into a quiet one even under the USSR .. I was little but I remember (they taught me that there is no God ..) Here are affairs Slavs !!!
    1. Yarosvet
      Yarosvet 29 July 2013 23: 20 New
      +1
      Quote: MIKHAN
      Stalin when the Germans stood near Moscow remembered faith

      Where does infa-radio from the OBS come from?
  • darksoul
    darksoul 29 July 2013 19: 48 New
    +4
    Quote: soldier's grandson
    the article says that the communist infection threw the country back decades and that in the battle with it they lost hundreds of millions of people, who lost it? I don’t understand the West?


    because of these twos ... she died in the 90s no less, went away ..... more than 20 years of decay have passed ... it’s already no longer relevant to blame the Communists for everything ...... but the holiday is really great, there was a choice and this is our cross, but our history goes much further than 1025 when our ancestors were not yet God's servants but were on equal terms with them
  • MIKHAN
    MIKHAN 29 July 2013 20: 07 New
    +4
    Despite all this obscurantism that is happening in the world .. Orthodoxy and faith will save Russia .. As Shevchuk sang, "Homeland, though you are ugly, but still Homeland" This is our Strength Slavs !!! We feel the strength of our spirit in the world ..
  • soldier's grandson
    soldier's grandson 29 July 2013 20: 59 New
    -1
    Quote: MIKHAN
    Quote: soldier's grandson
    the article says that the communist infection threw the country back decades and that in the battle with it they lost hundreds of millions of people, who lost it? I don’t understand the West?

    You distort .. Whatever ideology was in Russia .. (Stalin when the Germans stood near Moscow he remembered faith ..) Orthodoxy as if trampled out of our souls, it is always present at a subconscious level .. in the Russian soul .. VOV "Forward Slavs "My father, an ardent communist, was born in the year 43 from dying of hunger .. (the great-grandmother repaired or ground her with herbs ..) I was sometimes baptized into a quiet one even under the USSR .. I was little but I remember (they taught me that there is no God ..) Here are affairs Slavs !!!

    I see in these words a spit in the face of those people who saved the country from fascism and how could the Communists drive the country back decades ago? factories?, free housing? free education is the best in the world ?, raised Central Asia and our oligarchs are still eating this
    1. grafrozow
      grafrozow 29 July 2013 22: 12 New
      +1
      Quote: soldier's grandson
      how could the communists push the country decades ago? with factories ?, with free housing? free education is the best in the world ?, raised Central Asia and our oligarchs are still eating this

      The cheese lies in the mousetrap for free. Who paid the salaries of teachers, doctors, and builders who built the "free" housing from the state budget. Where did the money come from in the budget-taxes. Who paid the workers taxes. So why free?
      1. soldier's grandson
        soldier's grandson 29 July 2013 22: 21 New
        0
        Now we pay for everything and at exorbitant prices, and at the same time we drive people into loans, take at least a loan for household appliances, the annual percentage is not less than 50%, but before it was from 1% to 3 ?, is there a difference?
        1. grafrozow
          grafrozow 29 July 2013 22: 49 New
          +1
          Quote: soldier's grandson
          Now we pay for everything and at exorbitant prices, and at the same time we drive people into loans, take at least a loan for household appliances, the annual percentage is not less than 50%, but before it was from 1% to 3 ?, is there a difference?

          I don’t understand, are you being taken to a bank for a loan under a gun? If you want everything at once, then it’s clear that they’ll hang out before a neighbor with a smart mobile or a cool washer, so you don’t have enough money. Do not blame the mirror, since the face .... hi
  • soldier's grandson
    soldier's grandson 29 July 2013 21: 11 New
    +4
    Quote: Alexander Romanov
    Author PLUS! If the apostates simply believed in their peruns or anyone else, but no, it’s probably impossible. Now you’ll come up and throw out all your anger and hatred, but there’s a big BUT. years and 1025 more times will be so much!

    where you see spitting in Orthodoxy, here just people indicate that the clergy themselves do not follow the commandments
    1. agbykov
      agbykov 29 July 2013 21: 23 New
      0
      Regarding unworthy priests, etc., see the article on faith in the existence of man: http://www.pravoslavie.ru/smi/56011.htm
  • My address
    My address 29 July 2013 21: 14 New
    +3
    How interesting!

    99% on the website of the patriots.

    I think that these are patriots.

    They argued on the subject of trust - I do not believe.

    Yes, as the enemies have become each other.

    I will not say who is intolerable, although only by age for 60 I have the right.

    But have not heard that the head to think, and brains to think? But does not it come about that it turned out to be easy for many to turn out to be easy? And almost pitting like-minded people in relation to feelings for the Fatherland?

    Fu Unpleasant
    1. agbykov
      agbykov 29 July 2013 21: 35 New
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      Sorry, but I haven’t quarreled yet and not on the topic "I believe - I do not believe." It’s just that some Christians, to the best of their ability, correctly and politely defend their faith from unjust attacks (according to the scientific theory, apology).
  • tixon444
    tixon444 29 July 2013 21: 51 New
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    It is unlikely that anyone will read, but still ...

    http://old.kpe.ru/rating/analytics/religion/227/

    Especially useful for those who think they know everything.

    I know that I don’t know anything. Socrates will not lie.
    1. agbykov
      agbykov 29 July 2013 23: 16 New
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      I have a feeling that we often argue about different things, calling them by one name - Orthodoxy. As lecturers of mathematics begin in lectures with definition of concepts, it would be necessary for us to decide first. Watch http://flv.predanie.ru/flv/osipov/obschest_lekcii/12_CHto_takoe_Ppavoclavie_DK_M
      epidian_1997.flv or download: http://files.predanie.ru/video/osipov/CHto_takoe_Ppavoclavie_DK_Mepidian_1997.wm
      v
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    1. grafrozow
      grafrozow 29 July 2013 22: 56 New
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      Quote: Corsair5912
      All of them are our ancestors, and I hate the holy-sleepy Christ, who defame and insult our pagan great-great-grandfathers. It was they, the pagan great-grandfathers, who settled and equipped our Russian land, and not the agents of the influence of the enemy of Russia, Greek Byzantium, who appeared on the finished.

      I don’t understand, we are now occupied by Greek Byzantium, where is the capital of this country?
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  • GreatRussia
    GreatRussia 29 July 2013 22: 27 New
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    Quote: Rodriques

    Believe further. To such a church. The populace ouels completely. I remember as a child, at sea I was delighted to watch performances with the participation of Neptune, etc. where the damn church is climbing
    completely mad.

    Those. for you an exception to the secular obscurantism holiday in the form of a pagan god and devilish shock?
    Funny. laughing
    1. Rodriques
      Rodriques 29 July 2013 23: 05 New
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      So I did not wait for a clear answer from you, it remains to ban the snowmen, the cult of madder is the same. Ugh. The state is becoming incomprehensible.
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    2. does it
      does it 29 July 2013 23: 05 New
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      Quote: GreatRussia
      Those. for you an exception to the secular obscurantism holiday in the form of a pagan god and devilish shock?

      Just priests infuriates that money is not flowing into their pocket. I don’t see any insult, it’s just that the ROC is crushing everything that could bring it profit in the near future. That is, there will be an attempt to replace the festival of Neptune with the next carrying of relics with the accurate issuing of financial resources from the pockets of the population.
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  • soldier's grandson
    soldier's grandson 29 July 2013 22: 54 New
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    Quote: soldier's grandson
    Now we pay for everything and at exorbitant prices, and at the same time we drive people into loans, take at least a loan for household appliances, the annual percentage is not less than 50%, but before it was from 1% to 3 ?, is there a difference?

    I don’t understand, are you being taken to a bank for a loan under a gun? If you want everything at once, then it’s clear that they’ll hang out before a neighbor with a smart mobile or a cool washer, so you don’t have enough money. Do not blame the mirror, since the face .... hi

    don’t stupid about the gun \ if one-mother with a penny can’t buy, she will take a loan, which will be issued right there on the spot, and it’s not about the show-off, but the necessary things in the house
    1. grafrozow
      grafrozow 29 July 2013 23: 59 New
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      Be careful when cornering.
      Quote: soldier's grandson
      do not stupid about the gun \

      Quote: soldier's grandson
      if a single mother with a penny can’t buy, she will take a loan, which they will draw up right there on the spot, and it’s not about the show-off, but the necessary things in the house

      depending on what is considered a necessary thing. I have already lived enough and seen a lot of single mothers, my stepdaughter is 36 years old, and you can’t get rid of a crowbar for work, the limit of dreams is a mink coat with a hood. For her this is a thing of prime necessity. WORK is necessary, but not chew snot, then loans will not be needed. Goodbye.
      1. soldier's grandson
        soldier's grandson 30 July 2013 11: 22 New
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        if the city has a salary of 8 thousand rubles, then you can only dream of a mink coat, you probably judge people by metropolitan standards
        1. grafrozow
          grafrozow 30 July 2013 20: 18 New
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          Quote: soldier's grandson
          if the city has a salary of 8 thousand rubles, then you can only dream of a mink coat, you probably judge people by metropolitan standards

          There is no equal salary in the whole city, a cleaner and a turner do different jobs, that’s the pay is different. I work for Volat and get three times as many UAZ drivers, who prevents him from opening the categories and getting lazy in the car easier, but wants the same salary. I am throwing you a photo of the "metropolitan region." March 2013. Mr.Nadym Yamal reindeer herder day.
          1. soldier's grandson
            soldier's grandson 30 July 2013 20: 37 New
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            Thanks for the photo, we clarified a little, but many from our region work for you, as we have a city with a low standard of living. I can say that for example the driver at Rosneft receives 15 thousand rubles
  • Lk17619
    Lk17619 30 July 2013 07: 08 New
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    "and then the invasion of the communist plague threw our country decades ago"

    How disgusting to hear from people that they have not so long ago sucked, and now they praise it. I wonder where the country was dropped? From a dying agrarian to an industrialized power?
  • lawyer
    lawyer 30 July 2013 10: 49 New
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    Good day to all! that you are arguing here, each person has his own opinion, I believe in God and someone is not, but that doesn’t mean that someone is wrong, and everyone needs to work and restore temples not in large cities, but everywhere in our country temples were built in the city and they boast of what good fellows they are, but they don’t do nichrome outside the city, and priests need to be more modest, otherwise everyone drives expensive cars and asks us to give them the last, turn all religion into business.
    1. shpuntik
      shpuntik 30 July 2013 15: 04 New
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      Lawyer RU Today, 10:49 AM
      ... and the priests need to be more modest, otherwise everyone drives expensive cars and asks us to give the last, we turn the whole religion into business.

      "What is pop - such is the coming." Some can give in the forehead, verbally. Yes, so that a person sits in the back seat.
      How do you prot. Smirnov?

  • soldier's grandson
    soldier's grandson 30 July 2013 11: 19 New
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    Quote: shpuntik
    grandson of a soldier (3) RU Yesterday, 18:42 ↑
    you want to say about extinct villages?

    In Russia, "a thousand years" it was: the church is - this is the village, the chapel is - the village, nothing is - this is the village. Expression: "Oh you village!" comes from this gradation, since they learned to read and write from churchmen, read the Gospel from childhood. Who wanted of course
    :-)
    The village began to die out during the Red Terror. The same Tukhachevsky “distinguished himself” in the killings of peasants.

    villages became extinct under the tsar and under the soviets, and in the 21st century when there is no war, this is state policy
    1. shpuntik
      shpuntik 30 July 2013 15: 23 New
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      Or, now, the officer class. Probably the apartment was appropriate.

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      grandson of a soldier (4) RU Today, 11:19
      ... the villages became extinct under the tsar and under the soviets, and in the 21st century when there is no war, this is state policy.

      Nobody really praises today, sovereign. politics. A posteriori she will rarely be good, "well where we are not."
      And, about the royal village, you are wrong: compare the birth rate under the tsar-father and after. Can you raise six children today, in the 21st century? Why not? Not because women are bad, but because taxes are like that.

      1. soldier's grandson
        soldier's grandson 30 July 2013 15: 53 New
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        I agree with you, I will tell you about children with many children, then there was no abortion and for each born boy the family received a plot of land, I don’t remember how much, and the land always fed the peasants, it could be leased