L-410 Turbolet will receive Russian "citizenship"

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The Russian Ural Mining and Metallurgical Company (UMMC) has decided to become the sole owner of the production of a small local airliner (IL) aircraft Let L-410, also known as the Turbolet. To this end, UMMC is going to increase its own stake in the block of shares of the Czech company Aircraft Industries from 51% to 100%, ITAR-TASS reports. The L-410 aircraft is considered by the Russian side as the main model for the modernization of regional aviation parks and restoration of the local airline network. It is expected that the leasing of new aircraft will be supported by the budget. The heads of Russian regions are going to determine specific mechanisms for this support at a meeting in September 2013.

Currently, the main product of the Czech airline is the L-410UVP aircraft. This model is a short-haul aircraft with a short takeoff and landing distance for 19 passengers. The first modification of the aircraft Let L-410 took to the skies in 1969. In the post-war years, the Czech "Turbolet" became the first foreign aircraft that entered the Soviet airlines. On the basis of this machine, a large number of different modifications of transport, military and special purposes were created. In particular, this aircraft is widely used in Russian military and civilian flight schools, where it serves to train future pilots of military transport and long-range aviation.

After the transfer of 51% of the shares of the Czech company to UMMC, the Czech aircraft manufacturer received additional orders for its main product - L-410 UVP-E20. In 2009, after a rather long break, deliveries of aircraft to Russian customers resumed - first to civilian companies, and later to the RF Ministry of Defense. As of 2012, the Russian Air Force was armed with 7 L-410 UVP-E20 aircraft, while the contracts and options concluded involve bringing the fleet of these aircraft to 15 aircraft.
L-410 Turbolet will receive Russian "citizenship"

Today, Aircraft Industries supplies the Russian regions with an upgraded version of the aircraft, which is equipped with H-80 turboprop engines, which are produced by the General Electric division in the Czech Republic. According to the UMMC, the installation of these engines significantly improved the performance of the aircraft, increasing, in particular, the flight range from 1420 to 1520 kilometers. Currently, the L-410 aircraft is listed in the parks of the Russian companies KrasAero and Orenburg. The Buryat airline PANH and the government of the Khabarovsk Territory are ready to purchase several aircraft. Earlier, the Ministry of Transport and the Ministry of Industry and Trade of Russia stated that 9- and 19-seat aircraft were needed for the development of the domestic air transportation market, but such modifications were not made in Russia.

Let L-410 "Turbolet" - Czechoslovakian, later Czech, twin-engine universal aircraft designed for operation on local airlines (IL). It is a twin-engine turboprop high-wing aircraft with a single tail. Also known under the names: Let, Let L-410, L-410, Turbolet, Elka, Cheburashka. As of 2012, more than 400 aircraft of this type were operated in the world.

The most common version of the aircraft was the modification of the L-410UVP, in this version, the aircraft had a reduced take-off and landing distance. The abbreviation UVP means “short takeoff and landing”. The aircraft of this modification first took to the skies in 1976. Initially, the machine was equipped with the usual set of aviation equipment of the Soviet-Czechoslovak production. The model differed from its predecessors in the increased size of the wing and vertical tail, elongated fuselage, the use of spoilers and more efficient engines.

It is worth noting that the design and production of small aircraft and air taxis in the countries of the Council for Mutual Economic Assistance (CMEA) bloc was the prerogative of the aviation industry of Czechoslovakia. Czech-made aircraft flew not only in the countries of the socialist camp, but also in Switzerland, Italy, Great Britain, the USA, Australia and other countries of the world. Aero-45, Super Aero-45S and Aero-145 four-seater air taxis, as well as the L-200 Morava, were in particular demand. Therefore, there is nothing surprising in the fact that when the question arose of choosing a small short-haul aircraft for serial production, the choice fell on the Czech L-410, which most fully corresponded to most of the parameters announced in the terms of reference of the State Research Institute of Civil Aviation.

The small passenger aircraft L-410 "Turbolet" was designed by the designers of the company "Let" in 1966-1967, the project was headed by Ladislav Smrchek. It was assumed that this aircraft could be used in a fairly wide temperature range from +50 to -40 degrees Celsius. Czech specialists were guided by the Soviet terms of reference and took into account in advance the difficulties of the climatic conditions for operating the aircraft in the USSR, which was to become the main customer of the aircraft.

In total, by the end of 1978, 100 L-410M / MU aircraft were purchased in the USSR for the Ministry of Civil Aviation. In the Soviet Union, "Turbolets" replaced Antonov's famous "maize" carriers, which transported unpretentious Soviet passengers on the air pits of local airlines. At the same time, it is worth noting that the pilots who were “transferred” from the An-2 to the L-410 perceived the newcomer in two ways. On the one hand, the Czech aircraft had a lot of advantages. Firstly, he had 2 engines, he won 2 times in safety. The plane had a set of modern navigation and radio equipment, a high level of comfort was provided for passengers ... But, on the other hand, for civil aviation pilots fleet An-2 always remained a free "gasoline breadwinner" of their personal Zhiguli and Volga, while the Czech plane flew on kerosene. And in operation, the An-2 was a more unpretentious machine. To be more precise, the flight technical personnel treated the issues of operating the Soviet An-2 much easier. In general, it was considered very prestigious to transfer from the An-2 to the Czech L-410.

In total, since 1969, 1104 L-410 of various models were produced in Czechoslovakia and the Czech Republic, of which 862 aircraft ended up in the USSR. Interestingly, the 1000th Turbolet was produced back in 1990 and transferred to Aeroflot, after which their production volumes were significantly reduced. With the collapse of the CMEA, and subsequently the Soviet Union, the demand for these aircraft dropped sharply. Despite this, Turbosts are still in operation in more than 45 states around the world.

Currently, the Czech Republic is producing a version of the L-410 UVP-E20 aircraft, which can be equipped with analog or digital avionics (at the customer's choice), the TCAS mid-air collision avoidance system and an autopilot. The L-410 UVP-E20 aircraft received the AR IAC certificate.

Flight performance L-410 UPV-E20:

Dimensions: wingspan - 19,48 m., Length - 14,49 m., Height - 5,83 m.
Wing area - 34,86 square. m
The maximum takeoff weight of the aircraft is 6 kg, the empty weight is 600 kg.
Engine type - 2 HPT GE H80-200, power - 2x800 hp
The maximum speed is 395 km / h.
Practical range - 1500 km.
Practical ceiling - 8 000 m.
Crew - 2 person.
Commercial load - 19 passengers or 1800 kg. cargo.

Information sources:
-http: //www.newsru.com/finance/25jul2013/rul410plane.html
-http: //www.airwar.ru/enc/craft/l410.html
-http: //ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/Let_L-410_Turbolet
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  1. +4
    29 July 2013 07: 27
    In short, the car is amazing! good And aerodynamics and layout !!!
    1. +2
      29 July 2013 19: 54
      The main beneficiary of UMMC, Iskandar Makhmudov, owns a controlling stake in the company according to the following scheme: he is the "primary beneficiary" of the trust, whose trustees (Triveld Partners, Homewort Management Services and Tradeport Group Management) are shareholders of Fesco Investment. She, in turn, owns 58,824% of Selmareco Ltd, which owns 85% in UMMC. This corresponds to a 50,0004% stake in UMMC.


      ?
      1. fokino1980
        0
        7 August 2013 12: 41
        And what??? Food for thought???
  2. +16
    29 July 2013 07: 42
    This aircraft was so widespread only because of the policy of the Council for Mutual Economic Assistance, CMEA, in other words. In the ANTONOV design bureau, at the same time, an analogue of the An-2 was prepared and tested to replace it, with higher performance characteristics than the Czech L-410, adapted to the operating conditions in the USSR. But in order to support the economy of Czechoslovakia after the events of 1968, this aircraft was put into operation.
    To date, despite the deep modernization, this aircraft has exhausted itself. Our short-haul IL (developed in the early years of the 1st century, has much better characteristics. BUT THE POLICY OF D. MEDVEDEV, on the advice of the vice-premier in charge of the aviation industry, Mr. DVORKOVICH, comes down to one thing - everything that is Russian in aviation has no right to life.
    So a new old plane appeared in our sky.
    1. +2
      29 July 2013 07: 59
      This aircraft has become so widespread only thanks to the policy of the Council for Mutual Economic Assistance, [/ quote]

      The plane, Boris is really "GORGEOUS", in its segment in all respects !!!
      1. +1
        29 July 2013 08: 56
        Quote: studentmati
        The plane, Boris is really "GORGEOUS", in its segment in all respects !!!

        Perhaps ... I won’t break spears ... but I proceeded from the assessments given by representatives of the “industry” from more than 40 ministries that widely used this type of aircraft during the construction of our facility.
      2. The comment was deleted.
      3. 0
        29 July 2013 13: 44
        Quote: studentmati
        The plane, Boris is really "GORGEOUS", in its segment in all respects !!!


        This plane, at least the L-410, GA ... BUT, sorry! And this is not my opinion, but the pilots who exploited it even during the union!
    2. +5
      29 July 2013 08: 26
      Quote: KazaK Bo
      This aircraft was so widespread only because of the policy of the Council for Mutual Economic Assistance, CMEA, in other words. In the ANTONOV design bureau, at the same time, an analogue of the An-2 was prepared and tested to replace it, with higher performance characteristics than the Czech L-410, adapted to the operating conditions in the USSR. But in order to support the economy of Czechoslovakia after the events of 1968, this aircraft was put into operation.
      To date, despite the deep modernization, this aircraft has exhausted itself. Our short-haul IL (developed in the early years of the 1st century, has much better characteristics. BUT THE POLICY OF D. MEDVEDEV, on the advice of the vice-premier in charge of the aviation industry, Mr. DVORKOVICH, comes down to one thing - everything that is Russian in aviation has no right to life.
      So a new old plane appeared in our sky.

      Let's not distort. In the last century, not an Antonov aircraft was sacrificed for the L-410, but a Be-30, which in turn won comparative tests against the An-28. Il-114, which you mention, although newer, but still not a development of the 21st century. This is an aircraft of a different dimension, which, moreover, was never built in Russia (it was made in Tashkent). It is quite possible that if the Il-112 cargo project is reanimated, then the Il-114 line will also be launched, but I repeat once again - the L-410 is an aircraft of a different class, with which it is correct to compare the An-38 (from what it is).
      1. -1
        29 July 2013 08: 51
        Quote: Greyfox
        Let's not overdo it

        I partially agree with your amendments, thanks for the clarifications ... but partially
        1. +3
          29 July 2013 12: 09
          You are right, the plane needs a new one, those who bought it understand this.
          We bought a site in the European Union with personnel.
          How successful the acquisition will be, time will tell, but many engineers still have not forgotten how to speak Russian.
          1. +1
            30 July 2013 19: 09
            but many engineers still have not forgotten how to speak Russian

            Hmm ... yes, everyone who lived in the Soviet empire (I mean in the CMEA countries) did not forget how to speak Russian, if you really need to laughing
      2. -1
        29 July 2013 21: 39
        Quote: Greyfox
        It is quite possible that if the Il-112 cargo project is reanimated, then the Il-114 line will also be launched

        Russia offered India the production of Il-112: I refer to the statement of the Deputy Prime Minister of the Russian Federation
        Dmitry Rogozin dated October 14, 2012
        October 12, Russia and India signed a contract for the first stage of development
        Russian-Indian multi-purpose transport aircraft.
        Russia is ready to use this experience for joint work on a lighter transport aircraft.

        Quote: Greyfox
        but I repeat once again, the L-410 is an aircraft of a different class, with which it is correct to compare the An-38

        L-410 can be compared with Potez 840, Embraer EMB-110P, Embraer EMB-120ER, Fairchild Metro 23.
        The luxury Piaggio P.180 Avanti is a bit beyond comparison
        1. +1
          30 July 2013 08: 16
          Russia offered India the production of Il-112: I refer to the statement of the Deputy Prime Minister of the Russian Federation

          You are confused. We are negotiating with India on the MTA aircraft, also known as the Il-214. Tyagomotina with it lasts a long time, and as they say at the aviation forums, the Ilyushin Design Bureau will not be able to make it in its current state. I would very much like to believe the opposite ...
          IL-112 is a completely different aircraft, of a different class
        2. +1
          30 July 2013 08: 24
          But the IL-112
          L-410 can be compared with Potez 840, Embraer EMB-110P, Embraer EMB-120ER, Fairchild Metro 23.
          The luxury Piaggio P.180 Avanti is a bit beyond comparison

          After digging through aviation directories, I can find some other options. Just for what? It was not about what they are doing abroad, but about the fact that they have been flying in Russia for a really long time and a lot. And offhand, you forgot to mention the Sukhoi S-80. Also a very real domestic-made aircraft to replace the L-410. Everything depends on demand. It is small for the deployment of mass production of both the An-38 and the S-80. And the L-410 has been in the series for a long time. And there is personnel for this aircraft, and the company producing it is now also Russian (with attached copyrights) .
          1. +1
            30 July 2013 13: 05
            Quote: Greyfox
            Everything depends on demand. It is small for the deployment of mass production of both An-38 and S-80. And the L-410 has long been in the series.

            Agree. Digressed from the topic.
            Sorry for being smart and thanks for the clarification.
            hi
            1. 0
              30 July 2013 15: 03
              Always a pleasure to deal with a polite interlocutorhi
    3. -5
      29 July 2013 10: 37
      Quote: KazaK Bo
      To date, despite the deep modernization, this aircraft has exhausted itself. Our short-haul IL (developed in the early years of the 1st century, has much better characteristics. BUT THE POLICY OF D. MEDVEDEV, on the advice of the vice-premier in charge of the aviation industry, Mr. DVORKOVICH, comes down to one thing - everything that is Russian in aviation has no right to life.

      Putin's ministers are finally finishing off the domestic aviation industry!
  3. +3
    29 July 2013 07: 43
    And where will they gather, in the Czech Republic? What is the Russian registration, if the loot will go abroad.
    1. +3
      29 July 2013 11: 37
      The Czech plant is a foreign asset of Russia, at the moment a controlling stake in UMMC.

      In our country, the alternative, if I may say so, is the An-140, which is also assembled under license (although the class is somewhat different).

      What's better? Have your own plant, let it be in the Czech Republic, or assemble ANs under a license (the rights to the AN-140 have not yet been bought out)?

      And yes, projects are good. But even if you have money and desire, getting on the wing of a modern aircraft is no less than 5-6 years. The planes are still needed the day before yesterday. Yes, and there is a demand for them, in the civilian segment, unlike the AN-140, which is bought only by the military department and government agencies.
  4. +2
    29 July 2013 09: 59
    It is a pity that the An-38 is "forgotten". A good car ... was.
  5. +7
    29 July 2013 10: 17
    Uralvagonzavod is a leader in the production of tanks, the Institute of Thermal Engineering deals with ICBMs, and Barnaultransmash deals with tank engines.
    It is quite logical that the Ural Mining and Metallurgical Company will be engaged in the production of aircraft.
    1. -1
      29 July 2013 11: 29
      It's not so simple, although ... maybe they will "cut" him like IL planes ... I don't understand our "rich men" who have done business on the blood of the people ... It's time to redeem ... invest, develop your own! own shirt closer to the body ...
    2. 0
      29 July 2013 13: 47
      Quote: Canep
      Uralvagonzavod is a leader in the production of tanks, the Institute of Thermal Engineering deals with ICBMs, and Barnaultransmash deals with tank engines.
      It is quite logical that the Ural Mining and Metallurgical Company will be engaged in the production of aircraft.

      laughing laughing You "+"!
  6. +1
    29 July 2013 12: 09
    Spent serial machine with good performance.
    1. +1
      29 July 2013 13: 48
      Well then, it is necessary to restore the production of Li-2, also a wonderful car, even more developed and with good characteristics! bully
      1. +1
        29 July 2013 14: 01
        Are you sure about the good characteristics of the Li-2?
        The keywords are "restore production" and "serial machine", do you understand the difference?
        1. 0
          29 July 2013 14: 16
          This is apparently you, the "great minuser", do not heed the difference between the creation of a new one and, most importantly, your own, and the resuscitation of an old aircraft, and even someone else's and in the tax zone of another country! fool
          Well, about your understanding of humor and sarcasm, I'd better keep silent, sorry.
          1. 0
            29 July 2013 14: 29
            They don't like you here even without me.
            Create your own, sell, who interferes. When buying, normal people choose from what is, and not from the fruits of dreams about what would happen if I were a wizard president.
            1. +2
              29 July 2013 14: 51
              Quote: chunga-changa
              They don't like you here even without me.

              because of their dislike, I would still be worried. lol Or are they girls, then maybe you should think about it, and so ... No.
              1. -4
                29 July 2013 21: 29
                Or at least like this! bully
          2. Spiegel
            +6
            29 July 2013 14: 51
            Whose money will we restore? For mine and yours? UMMC bought a ready-made production with a ready-made serial aircraft on the conveyor with its own money. And he is going to develop a shabby network of local airlines. This is very important now, without the development of infrastructure our planes will not be in demand. And so the network of airports will slowly reappear, and there you see, and you will need your own planes. Economy.
  7. +4
    29 July 2013 14: 05
    The article was put "-", a pure snack from the "Russian Ural Mining and Metallurgical Company (UMMC)"! The plane immediately, even then, was not liked by either the pilots or the technicians, and the passengers themselves were not enthusiastic about it (only a toilet in the cabin with a curtain separating it from the cabin is worth something! laughing). And in general, the aircraft went into production in 1970, i.e. 40 years ago. We in the EU once again shoved the trash, on the cheap of course laughing , and we are satisfied, and even joyful, victorious reports on the topic in the media, let's produce. laughing
    According to the pilots who still operated it under the USSR, the aircraft is very capricious in operation, with a small radius of action, with a very weak and unreliable landing gear system that requires ideal runways, i.e. it was originally made for "doll" Europe, but even before we were not always in order with the runway, what can we say about now. Brezhnev decided once again to support the Czechs and their industry. By the way, they have a small resource of engines. And now, 50 years later, our "oligarch" thieves bought pro-sites in the Czech Republic that no one needed in the EU and let's reanimate this junk, while putting an end to their own, domestic aviation industry. 90 years ago, under Lenin and Stalin, this was specifically called sabotage and sabotage! The consequences for the defendants were no less concrete!
    Quote: Author
    In particular, this aircraft is widely used in Russian military and civil flight schools, where it serves to train future pilots of the military transport and long-range aviation

    I haven't heard about this. I won’t argue much, but I think this is a pure lie! I don’t remember exactly, but I seem to have heard from graduates that they first studied on the An-2, then on the Il-18 and Tu-16.

    Quote: KazaK Bo
    BUT THE POLICY OF D. MEDVEDEV, on the advice of the Deputy Prime Minister in charge of the aviation industry, Mr. DVORKOVICH, comes down to one thing - everything that is Russian in aviation has no right to life.

    it is high time to judge him for treason!
    1. +1
      29 July 2013 14: 25
      As I understand it, only the ignorant but very vicious and cowardly put the minuses, and it looks like I'm right? We don’t have anything to object to, but it’s quiet from around the corner, like girls! laughing
    2. 3 inches.
      +2
      29 July 2013 19: 00
      before judging, you would fly it first. I flew it as a passenger many times. Compared to the An-2, this is a masterpiece. By the way, I didn’t see any curtain separating the cabin from the toilet. The wall is like a wall. inappropriately. at many small airfields it was operated, which means the base remained. and our new cars of this class cannot be seen.
      1. 0
        29 July 2013 21: 06
        Quote: 3 inches.
        before judging, you would fly it first. I flew it as a passenger many times. Compared to the An-2, this is a masterpiece. By the way, I didn’t see any curtain separating the cabin from the toilet.

        I agree, I did not fly on it, but I personally was in the cabin more than once. Such a system of toilet separation amazed me, even a schoolboy. Perhaps the wall was put up later, I saw it somewhere at the turn of 80/84. But I grew up near the city airport and my house was full of pilots, including those who piloted these Elks. Even then I was an inquisitive boy and asked them a lot. what kind of plane and is it better than ours. Their answers, consolidated, I cited above.
        And there is no need to compare with the An-2, I already wrote above, they only have a difference in age of 20 years. YOU would have compared Ilya Muromets with I. Sikorsky, there would have been even more pluses.
        Quote: 3 inches.
        and our new machines of this class are not to be seen.

        Well, we will not see, in this situation and the approach of the government of the country. And many here are crazy happy that they bought a Czech plant and now, for sure, the owners will lobby for its deliveries to Russia (with customs fees, by the way), and Czech workers will work, they will also receive wages, and taxes from the production will also go to the Czech treasury will go, if Cho! bully And in Russia ... and who needs it, among these "oligarchs". angry
        1. 3 inches.
          +2
          30 July 2013 00: 17
          I am happy for my people who live in the taiga village. When you fly for 4 hours on an 2 or an hour and a half on the Elka, you can feel the difference with your own ass. By the way, the airfield is unpaved there. And the Elka works well from it.
    3. +2
      29 July 2013 20: 10
      Quote: old man54
      The article was put by "-", a pure snack from the "Russian Ural Mining and Metallurgical Company (UMMC)"!

      Absolutely agree -
      We read and see how the country is growing with an aircraft factory and new aircraft - in fact, we are talking about an increase in the profits of Iskander Makhmudov.
      A comparison of aircraft is stuck here just to divert the discussion from reality - everyone remembers Stirlitz - only the last question is remembered - and no one will think about how much and who pays whom.
  8. kashchei
    +11
    29 July 2013 14: 25
    "" In short, the car is gorgeous !!!!! Both aerodynamics and layout !!! "" - The attitude of the pilots to the "smart car" was especially touched - the pilots who were "transferred" from the An-2 to the L-410 perceived the newcomer in two ways. On the one hand, the Czech aircraft had a lot of advantages ..... But, on the other hand, for the pilots of the civil air fleet, the An-2 always remained a free "gasoline breadwinner" of their personal Zhiguli and Volga "" 3 HA-HA - At that level of salaries of pilots, the prices for gasoline at gas stations, "gasoline" feeding was not relevant. Moreover, all Soviet "personal" valves burned out from the anti-knock additive (tetraethyl lead) in a couple of months. Even the muffler burned out completely .... Well, now I’ll touch on “chicness and aerodynamic layout” - if you put it next to it, then the EuroLka certainly outperforms the old An-2, but if you look deeper: 1) when flying to unpaved airfields, An’s weather minimum was much lower than 100 \ 1000 versus 200 \ 3000 for L -410 2) During a long stay / overnight stay, the Lka already required more thorough pre-flight preparations compared to the An-2, which was not always possible in real conditions 3) The turboprop engines of the L-410 caused a higher flight altitude compared to the An-2 , which led to flights in the summer at the heights of the occurrence and development of thunderstorms. And the lack of a locator on board led to blind flights. An-2 bypassed these thunderstorms at altitudes of 200-1000m easily visually 5 kg., Empty weight - 410 kg.
    Engine type - 2 HPT GE H80-200, power - 2x800 hp
    The maximum speed is 395 km / h.
    Practical range - 1500 km.
    Practical ceiling - 8 000 m.
    Crew - 2 person.
    Commercial load - 19 passengers or 1800 kg. cargo. Fuel consumption 1 hour - 350kg An-2 Weight, kg
    empty 3400 aircraft
    maximum take-off 5250
    Engine type 1 PD Shvetsova ASh-62IR
    Power, hp 1 x 1000
    The maximum speed, km / h 250
    Cruising speed, km / h 185
    Practical range, km 2000
    Practical ceiling, m 4500
    Crew 2
    Payload: 12 passengers or 1500 kg Fuel consumption 115 kg per 1 hour of flight It seems that Lka outperforms Annushka here too (except for fuel consumption) But all these gains in fuel consumption lead to the fact that the L-410 has a flight range with a maximum payload (without end tanks, ANZ for 45 min.) - 485 km versus 950 for An-2
    The range at maximum refueling (ANZ for 30 min.) - 1540 km for the An-2 1400 This RANGE WITH MAX LOADING reduces most of the advantages of the Czech car to 0 countries (well, now Russia and other CIS countries) she was unable to perform many of the tasks performed by the An-2 ....
    1. +1
      29 July 2013 14: 43
      You "+" from me, a rare sober opinion on this thread! I’ll correct you only in the part that you compare the L-410 with the An-2 in vain, the An-2 went into production in the 50s, it was generally calculated purely on unpaved post-war airfields, what is its main advantage, but the Czech precisely on the beautiful runways. We wrote about domestic analogues above on the branch, I will not repeat myself.
      1. kashchei
        +3
        29 July 2013 16: 27
        The opinion of a passenger (given below) is of course important. But the opinion of a passenger flying from Domodedovo to Sheremetyevo or from Voronezh to Kursk certainly differs from the opinion of a passenger flying from Perm to Serov or Krasnoyarsk-Tura or Podkamennaya Tunguska ... Well, as for the opinion - I gave 13 years old An-2 as FAC 10 (Oh, and shook me: From Yoshkar-Ola and Uryupinsk to Ulaanbaatar and from Omsk Tyumen to Mary) So compare An-2 (Gaz 69) and L-410 (Skoda, not even Octavia ) I can hear firsthand, although I flew on Lka only as a passenger
  9. +4
    29 July 2013 14: 42
    Repeatedly happened to be a passenger of both aircraft, including in the north. Briefly, fly the AN-2 yourself, at least for 950, at least for 1450 km, at any speed and in any weather conditions. Although, of course, who can care about the opinion of a passenger, airplanes are not invented for them.
  10. +1
    29 July 2013 15: 36
    It would be better if they invested in domestic production
  11. Constantine
    0
    29 July 2013 16: 32
    Somehow it looks a lot like a Fokker 50 smile
    1. +1
      29 July 2013 16: 45
      Quote: Constantine
      Somehow it looks a lot like a Fokker 50

      still on AN24, only weight categories are different
      1. Constantine
        +1
        29 July 2013 16: 47
        Quote: Pablo_K
        still on AN24, only weight categories are different


        Then why put a minus? smile Judging by the strength of the minus, you are the author smile

        Nothing like that, I'm just interested in the thinking algorithm)
        1. -1
          29 July 2013 17: 17
          Well, you can give many examples of similar aircraft,
          it seems that this arrangement was invented back in the 30s,
          but the Fokker80 is more likely a competitor to the AN-24
          1. Constantine
            0
            29 July 2013 17: 27
            Quote: Pablo_K
            Well, you can give many examples of similar aircraft,
            it seems that this arrangement was invented back in the 30s,
            but the Fokker80 is more likely a competitor to the AN-24


            You did not answer my question:
            Then why put a minus?
  12. smiths xnumx
    +1
    29 July 2013 23: 25
    With all the wealth of choice, we have no other alternative. L-410 is the only training aircraft of our military aviation and long-range aviation, especially Tu-95. The An-2, of course, is unkillable, but it has long been outdated, and we still haven’t bought the rights to the An-140. At present, the issue of light VTA is acute. To date, it is based on 39 An-72/74 and 76 An-24/26. Aircraft are aging, spare parts are produced in Ukraine, relations with which are not very good and I'm afraid it will be even worse. Il-214 or MTA, created jointly with India, will make its first flight only in 2016-2018. Moreover, the An-140 and L-410 do not have a cargo ramp and are, in fact, purely passenger aircraft. I'm afraid that at this pace we ourselves will follow the example of Kazakhstan and Lithuania and will purchase CASA C-295, A-400M and C-27J "Spartan". Sincerely! hi
  13. +2
    30 July 2013 00: 04
    I don't think this is the best option.
    1. smiths xnumx
      +1
      30 July 2013 01: 27
      If you have another better option, please name it. Sincerely! hi
      1. +1
        30 July 2013 01: 31
        L-410 product for professionals! good And for aesthetes too! drinks
  14. +1
    30 July 2013 12: 51
    All these disputes, of course, are very interesting, but the operating airline will still make the decision. There, they count the money and immediately understand what is needed and what is not.
    And as for the new Russian aircraft, something left from the times of the USSR and is being modernized back and forth, but the "modern" developments, it seems to me, bring more problems than good.
    Aviation is developing after the engines, which in our country (excluding PS-90) are not modern and are not carried out (in civil aviation).
  15. 0
    31 July 2013 14: 32
    Practically fresh news on the topic:
    The Technoavia company has started flight certification tests of the light multi-purpose twin-engine aircraft "Rysachok"
    The twin-engine aircraft "Rysachok" is intended for operation on local airlines. It can land and take off from a dirt runway having a ground strength of approximately 5,5 kg/sq.cm. The aircraft is equipped with two M601F turboprop engines with power up to 750 hp. It is designed to carry 10 passengers. Flight range up to 2000 km. Cruising speed - in the range of 250-400 km / h.
    http://sdelanounas.ru/blogs/37778/

    So it remains to be hoped that Russian small aircraft will fly on aircraft of Russian campaigns.
    1. 0
      1 August 2013 01: 16
      The Technoavia company has already released the SM-92(T) and nothing good has come of it. I looked about this "Rysachka" - single-engine Cessnas make it in all respects, and it is also twin-engine, that is, the consumption of hoo. In addition, it has American engines (as on SM-92 (T)). So it is very doubtful that something worthwhile will turn out, as well as everything that Technoavia does. It feels like it's an aircraft modeling club.
  16. eared eagle owl
    0
    2 August 2013 22: 37
    I didn’t understand something, why my notice that the L410 was a complete copy of the Soviet BE-30 aircraft, shown at the Domodedovo parade in 1967, disappeared.
    1. Flurry
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      11 August 2013 13: 07
      L410 is not a copy, but a competitor to the Be-30. Moreover, inferior to the Be-30, but due to political considerations, chosen as an MVL aircraft, so that Czechoslovakia would not be bent (CMEA "helped"). The pilots spoke about the L410, to put it mildly, not flattering!

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