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L-410 Turbolet will receive Russian "citizenship"

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The Russian Ural Mining and Metallurgical Company (UMMC) has decided to become the sole owner of the production of a small Let L-410 aircraft of local air lines (MVL), also known as "Turbolet". To this end, UMMC is going to increase its own share in the block of shares of the Czech company Aircraft Industries from 51% to 100%, ITAR-TASS agency reports. The L-410 aircraft is considered by the Russian side as the main model for modernizing regional aviation parks and restoration of the local airline network. The new aircraft are expected to be leased with budget support. The specific mechanisms of this support of the heads of the Russian regions are going to be determined at a meeting in September 2013.


Currently, the main product of the Czech airline is the aircraft L-410UVP. This model is a short-haul aircraft with a shortened take-off and landing distance for 19 passengers. The first modification of the Let L-410 aircraft rose to the sky as early as 1969. In the postwar years, the Czech "Turbolet" became the first foreign aircraft that went on Soviet airlines. On the basis of this machine was created a large number of various modifications of the transport, military and special purposes. In particular, this aircraft is widely used in the Russian military and civilian flight schools, where it serves to train future pilots of military transport and long-range aviation.

After the transfer of 51% of the shares of the Czech company into the hands of UMMC, the Czech aircraft manufacturer received additional orders for its main products - L-410 UVP-E20. In the 2009 year, after a rather long interruption, deliveries of aircraft to Russian customers were resumed - first to civilian companies, and later - to the Russian Ministry of Defense. As of 2012, the X-NUMX of the L-7 UVP-E410 aircraft was in service with the Russian Air Force, and the contracts and options provided for bringing the fleet of aircraft data to 20 machines.
L-410 Turbolet will receive Russian "citizenship"

Nowadays, Aircraft Industries supplies the regions of Russia with an upgraded version of the aircraft, which is equipped with H-80 turboprop engines, which are manufactured by the General Electric division in the Czech Republic. According to the UMMC, the installation of these engines has significantly improved the performance of the aircraft, increasing, in particular, the range from 1420 to 1520 kilometers. Currently, the L-410 aircraft is listed in the parks of the Russian companies KrasAero and Orenburg. Buy a few aircraft ready Buryat airline PANH and the government of the Khabarovsk Territory. Earlier, the Ministry of Transport and the Ministry of Industry and Trade of Russia stated that 9- and 19-local aircraft are necessary for the development of the domestic air transportation market, but no such modifications are made in Russia.

Let L-410 "Turbolet" - Czechoslovakia, subsequently the Czech twin-engine universal aircraft, designed for operation on local airlines (IAL). It is a twin-engine turboprop high-wing aircraft with a single-fin tail. Known also under the names: Years, Years L-410, L-410, Turbolet, Elk, Cheburashka. According to 2012, more than 400 aircraft of this type have been operated in the world every year.

The most common version of the aircraft was the modification of the L-XNUMHUVP, in this version, the aircraft was reduced take-off and landing distance. The abbreviation UVP means “shortened takeoff-landing”. The aircraft of this modification first rose to the sky in the year 410. Initially, the machine was equipped with the usual complex of aviation equipment of the Soviet-Czechoslovak production. From its predecessors, the model differed in the increased size of the wing and vertical tail, elongated fuselage, the use of interceptors and more efficient engines.

It is worth noting that the design and production of small airplanes and air taxi in the bloc countries of the Council for Mutual Economic Assistance (CMEA) was the prerogative of the Czechoslovak aviation industry. Czech-made airplanes flew not only in the socialist countries, but also in Switzerland, Italy, Great Britain, the USA, Australia and other countries of the world. Aero-45, Super Aero-45S and Aero-145 four-seater aero-taxis, as well as L-200 Morava, were in particular demand. Therefore, it is not surprising that when the question arose of choosing a small short-haul aircraft for mass production, the choice fell on the Czech L-410, which most fully corresponded to the majority of the parameters announced in the technical specifications of the State Research Institute of Civil Aviation.

The small passenger plane L-410 “Turbolet” was designed by the designers of the company “Let” in 1966-1967, the project was headed by Ladislav Smrchek. It was assumed that this aircraft can be used in a fairly wide range of temperatures from + 50 to -40 degrees Celsius. Czech specialists were guided by the Soviet technical assignment and in advance took into account the difficulties of the climatic conditions of operating the aircraft in the USSR, which was to become the main customer of the aircraft.

By the end of 1978, 100 L-410M / MU aircraft were purchased in the USSR for the Ministry of Civil Aviation. In the Soviet Union, "Turbolets" replaced the famous "corncrackers" Antonov, who transported unpretentious Soviet passengers in the air holes of local airlines. It should be noted that the pilots who were “transplanted” from the An-2 to the L-410 perceived the newcomer in two ways. On the one hand, the Czech aircraft had a lot of advantages. Firstly, he had 2 engines, he won 2 times in safety. There was a set of modern navigation and radio equipment on the plane, a high level of comfort was provided for passengers ... But, on the other hand, for pilots of civilian air fleet An-2 has always remained a free “gas provider” of their personal “Lada” and “Volga”, while the Czech plane flew kerosene. And in operation, the An-2 was a more unpretentious machine. More precisely, the flight technical personnel related to the operation of the Soviet An-2 is much simpler. In general, it was considered very prestigious to transfer from An-2 to the Czech L-410.

In total, starting from the 1969 year, 1104 L-410 of various models were produced in Czechoslovakia and the Czech Republic, of which the 862 aircraft fell into the USSR. Interestingly, the 1000 “Turbolet” was released back in the 1990 year and transferred to Aeroflot, after which their production volumes decreased significantly. With the collapse of the CMEA, and in consequence of the Soviet Union, the demand for these aircraft has decreased dramatically. Despite this, Turbolst is still being exploited in more than 45 states around the world.

Currently, the Czech Republic is producing the L-410 UVP-E20 aircraft version, which can be equipped with analog or digital avionics (at the customer's choice), the TCAS airborne collision warning system and the autopilot. Aircraft L-410 UVP-E20 received the certificate of AR IAC.

Flight specifications L-410 UPV-E20:

Dimensions: wingspan - 19,48 m., Length - 14,49 m., Height - 5,83 m.
Wing area - 34,86 square. m
The maximum take-off weight of the aircraft is 6 600 kg., The empty mass is 4 050 kg.
Engine type - 2 HDD GE H80-200, power - HP 2x800
The maximum speed is 395 km / h.
Practical range - 1500 km.
Practical ceiling - 8 000 m.
Crew - 2 person.
Payload - 19 passengers or 1800 kg. cargo.

Information sources:
-http: //www.newsru.com/finance/25jul2013/rul410plane.html
-http: //www.airwar.ru/enc/craft/l410.html
-http: //ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/Let_L-410_Turbolet
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  1. studentmati
    studentmati 29 July 2013 07: 27 New
    +4
    In short, the car is gorgeous !!!!! good And aerodynamics and layout !!!
    1. Civil
      Civil 29 July 2013 19: 54 New
      +2
      The main beneficiary of UMMC Iskandar Makhmudov owns a controlling stake in the following scheme: he is the "main beneficiary" of the trust, the trustees of which (Triveld Partners, Homewort Management Services and Tradeport Group Management) are shareholders of Fesco Investment. She, in turn, owns 58,824% of Selmareco Ltd, which owns 85% in UMMC. This corresponds to a share in UMMC of 50,0004%.


      ?
      1. fokino1980
        fokino1980 7 August 2013 12: 41 New
        0
        And what ??? Information for consideration ???
  2. KazaK Bo
    KazaK Bo 29 July 2013 07: 42 New
    16
    This aircraft received such wide distribution only thanks to the policy of the Council for Mutual Economic Assistance, CMEA, in other words. At Antonov's Design Bureau, the An-2 analogue was designed and tested at the same time for its intended purpose with higher performance characteristics than the Czech L-410, adapted to the operating conditions in the USSR. But in order to support the economy of Czechoslovakia after the events of 1968, this aircraft was put into operation.
    Today, despite a deep modernization, this aircraft has exhausted itself. Our short-range IL (developed by the first years of the XX1 century, has much better characteristics. BUT POLITICS D. MEDVEDEV, on the advice of Deputy Prime Minister Dvorkovich, who oversees the aviation industry, comes down to one thing - everything that is Russian in aviation has no right to life.
    So a new old plane appeared in our sky.
    1. studentmati
      studentmati 29 July 2013 07: 59 New
      +2
      This aircraft received such wide distribution only thanks to the policy of the Council for Mutual Economic Assistance, [/ quote]

      The plane, Boris is really “WONDERFUL”, in its segment in all respects !!!
      1. KazaK Bo
        KazaK Bo 29 July 2013 08: 56 New
        +1
        Quote: studentmati
        The plane, Boris is really “WONDERFUL”, in its segment in all respects !!!

        Perhaps ... I won’t break my spears ... but I proceeded from the assessments given by representatives of the "craft" from more than 40 ministries that widely used this type of aircraft during the construction of our facility.
      2. The comment was deleted.
      3. old man54
        old man54 29 July 2013 13: 44 New
        0
        Quote: studentmati
        The plane, Boris is really “WONDERFUL”, in its segment in all respects !!!


        This plane, at least that one L-410, HA ... BUT, I'm sorry! And this is not my opinion, but even the pilots who exploited it under the union!
    2. Greyfox
      Greyfox 29 July 2013 08: 26 New
      +5
      Quote: KazaK Bo
      This aircraft received such wide distribution only thanks to the policy of the Council for Mutual Economic Assistance, CMEA, in other words. At Antonov's Design Bureau, the An-2 analogue was designed and tested at the same time for its intended purpose with higher performance characteristics than the Czech L-410, adapted to the operating conditions in the USSR. But in order to support the economy of Czechoslovakia after the events of 1968, this aircraft was put into operation.
      Today, despite a deep modernization, this aircraft has exhausted itself. Our short-range IL (developed by the first years of the XX1 century, has much better characteristics. BUT POLITICS D. MEDVEDEV, on the advice of Deputy Prime Minister Dvorkovich, who oversees the aviation industry, comes down to one thing - everything that is Russian in aviation has no right to life.
      So a new old plane appeared in our sky.

      Let’s not juggle. In the last century, the Be-410 was not sacrificed to the L-30, but the Be-28, which in turn won the comparative tests of the An-114. The Il-21, which you mention, although newer, still not the development of the 112 century. It is a plane of a different dimension, which, moreover, has never been built in Russia (it was made in Tashkent). It is possible that if they reanimate the Il-114 cargo project, they will also launch the Il-410 line, but I repeat once again-L-38 is a plane of another class with which it is correct to compare An-XNUMX (from what is).
      1. KazaK Bo
        KazaK Bo 29 July 2013 08: 51 New
        -1
        Quote: Greyfox
        Let's not juggle

        I partially agree with your amendments, thanks for clarification ... but in part
        1. Dmitry 2246
          Dmitry 2246 29 July 2013 12: 09 New
          +3
          You are right, the plane needs a new one, those who bought it understand it.
          We bought a site in the European Union with personnel.
          How successful the acquisition will show time, but many engineers still have not forgotten how to speak Russian.
          1. cdrt
            cdrt 30 July 2013 19: 09 New
            +1
            but many engineers still have not forgotten how to speak Russian

            Hmm ... yes, everyone who lived in the Soviet empire (in the CMEA countries, I mean) did not forget how to speak Russian, if you really need to laughing
      2. Mister X
        Mister X 29 July 2013 21: 39 New
        -1
        Quote: Greyfox
        It is quite possible that if the project of the cargo IL-112 is reanimated, then the IL-114 line will also be launched

        Russia offered India the production of IL-112: I refer to the request of the Deputy Prime Minister of the Russian Federation
        Dmitry Rogozin from 14 October 2012
        12 October Russia and India signed a contract for the first stage of development
        Russian-Indian multi-purpose transport aircraft.
        Russia is ready to use this experience to work together on a lighter transport aircraft.

        Quote: Greyfox
        but I repeat once again-L-410 is a plane of another class with which it is correct to compare An-38

        L-410 can be compared with Potez 840, Embraer EMB-110P, Embraer EMB-120ER, Fairchild Metro 23.
        Luxury Piaggio P.180 Avanti doesn't fit the comparison a bit
        1. Greyfox
          Greyfox 30 July 2013 08: 16 New
          +1
          Russia offered India the production of IL-112: I refer to the request of the Deputy Prime Minister of the Russian Federation

          You are confused. With India, we are negotiating an MTA, also known as Il-214. Tyagomotin lasts a long time with him, and as they say at air forums in their current state, Ilyushin’s design bureau cannot do it. I would very much like to believe the opposite ...
          IL-112 is a completely different plane, a different class
        2. Greyfox
          Greyfox 30 July 2013 08: 24 New
          +1
          And here is IL-112
          L-410 can be compared with Potez 840, Embraer EMB-110P, Embraer EMB-120ER, Fairchild Metro 23.
          Luxury Piaggio P.180 Avanti doesn't fit the comparison a bit

          Rummaging through the flight guides, I can still find some other options. Just for what? It was not about what they are doing abroad, but about the fact that they have been flying really long and many years in Russia. And offhand you forgot to mention the Sukhoi S-80. It is also a very real domestic production aircraft to replace the L-410. Everything rests on demand. It is small for the deployment of mass production that An-38, that C-80. And L-410 has long been in the series. And there are personnel for this aircraft, and its manufacturing company is now also Russian (with attached copyright) .
          1. Mister X
            Mister X 30 July 2013 13: 05 New
            +1
            Quote: Greyfox
            Everything rests on demand. It is small for the deployment of mass production that An-38, that C-80. And the L-410 has long been in the series.

            I agree. Distracted from the topic.
            Sorry for clever and thanks for the clarification.
            hi
            1. Greyfox
              Greyfox 30 July 2013 15: 03 New
              0
              It’s always a pleasure to deal with a polite interlocutorhi
    3. kris
      kris 29 July 2013 10: 37 New
      -5
      Quote: KazaK Bo
      Today, despite a deep modernization, this aircraft has exhausted itself. Our short-range IL (developed by the first years of the XX1 century, has much better characteristics. BUT POLITICS D. MEDVEDEV, on the advice of Deputy Prime Minister Dvorkovich, who oversees the aviation industry, comes down to one thing - everything that is Russian in aviation has no right to life.

      The ministers are finally finishing up domestic aviation industry in Putinsk!
  3. Alez
    Alez 29 July 2013 07: 43 New
    +3
    And where will they gather in the Czech Republic? What is the Russian registration, if the loot will go abroad.
    1. donavi49
      donavi49 29 July 2013 11: 37 New
      +3
      The Czech plant is a foreign asset of Russia at the moment a controlling stake in UMMC.

      In our country, an alternative, if I may say so An-140, is also collected under license (although the class is somewhat different).

      What's better? Own a plant, even in the Czech Republic or collect ANs under license (the repurchase of rights to AN-140 has not yet taken place)?

      And yes, projects, that’s good. But even with the money and desire, the rise to the wing of a modern aircraft is no less than 5-6 years. Aircraft are needed the day before yesterday. Yes, and there is a demand for them, in the civilian segment, in contrast to the AN-140, which is bought only by the military department and government agencies.
  4. Alexey
    Alexey 29 July 2013 09: 59 New
    +2
    It is a pity that the An-38 is "forgotten". Nice car ... was.
  5. Canep
    Canep 29 July 2013 10: 17 New
    +7
    Uralvagonzavod - the leader in the production of tanks, the Institute of Heat Engineering - is engaged in ICBMs, Barnaultransmash - in tank engines.
    It is logical that the Ural Mining and Metallurgical Company will be engaged in the production of aircraft.
    1. SerAll
      SerAll 29 July 2013 11: 29 New
      -1
      It's not so simple, though ... maybe they will "kill" him like IL planes ... I don’t understand our "rich" who did business on the blood of the people ... It's time to redeem ... invest, develop your own! own shirt closer to the body ...
    2. old man54
      old man54 29 July 2013 13: 47 New
      0
      Quote: Canep
      Uralvagonzavod - the leader in the production of tanks, the Institute of Heat Engineering - is engaged in ICBMs, Barnaultransmash - in tank engines.
      It is logical that the Ural Mining and Metallurgical Company will be engaged in the production of aircraft.

      laughing laughing "+" To you!
  6. chunga-changa
    chunga-changa 29 July 2013 12: 09 New
    +1
    Spent serial machine with good performance.
    1. old man54
      old man54 29 July 2013 13: 48 New
      +1
      Well then, it is necessary to restore the Li-2 production, also a beautiful machine, even more developed and with good performance! bully
      1. chunga-changa
        chunga-changa 29 July 2013 14: 01 New
        +1
        Are you sure about the worst characteristics of the Li-2?
        Keywords - "restore production" and "serial machine", do you understand the difference?
        1. old man54
          old man54 29 July 2013 14: 16 New
          0
          This is apparently you, the “great minuser”, do not heed the difference between creating a new and most important of your own, and reanimating an old plane, and even someone else’s and in the tax zone of another country! fool
          Well, about your understanding of humor and sarcasm, I better keep silent, I'm sorry.
          1. chunga-changa
            chunga-changa 29 July 2013 14: 29 New
            0
            They don’t really like you here without me.
            Create your own, sell, who interferes. Normal people, when buying, choose from what is, and not from the fruits of dreams about what would happen if I were a president-wizard.
            1. old man54
              old man54 29 July 2013 14: 51 New
              +2
              Quote: chunga-changa
              They don’t really like you here without me.

              because of their dislike, I would still be worried. lol Or are they girls, then maybe you should think about it, and so ... no
              1. old man54
                old man54 29 July 2013 21: 29 New
                -4
                or at least like that! bully
          2. mirror
            mirror 29 July 2013 14: 51 New
            +6
            Whose money will we recover for? On mine and yours? UMMC bought its own finished production with a finished serial aircraft on the conveyor. And he intends to develop a rotten network of local airlines. This is now very important, without the development of infrastructure, our aircraft will not be in demand. And so the airport network will slowly appear again, and there you look, and your planes will be needed. Economy.
  7. old man54
    old man54 29 July 2013 14: 05 New
    +4
    The article was put with a “-”, a clean snack from the “Russian Ural Mining and Metallurgical Company (UMMC)”! Neither the pilots nor the technicians liked the plane immediately, even then, and the passengers themselves were not happy with it (there is only one toilet in the cabin with a curtain that shuts it off from the cabin! laughing) Anyway, the plane went into series in the 1970 year, i.e. 40 years ago. Once again, they dumped us trash in the EU, of course, for cheap laughing , and we are satisfied, and let’s produce fruitful and triumphant, winning reports on the topic in the media. laughing
    According to the pilots who still used it during the USSR, the aircraft is very moody in operation, with a small radius of action, with a very weak and unreliable landing gear system, requiring ideal runways, i.e. it was originally made under the “puppet” Europe, but we hadn’t had order everywhere with the runway before, what to say now. Brezhnev decided once again to support the Czechs and their industry. The resource of engines, by the way, is heaven with them. And now 50 years later, our “oligarchs” thieves bought other areas in the Czech Republic that were not needed in the EU and let's reanimate this type of junk while putting an end to our own domestic aircraft industry. 90 years ago, under Lenin and Stalin it was called specifically-wrecking and sabotage! The consequences for the defendants were no less specific!
    Quote: Author
    In particular, this aircraft is widely used in Russian military and civil flight schoolswhere it serves to train future pilots of the military transport and long-range aviation

    I haven’t heard about this. I will not argue much, but in my opinion this is pure lies! I don’t remember exactly, but I heard from graduates that at first they studied at An-2, then at Il-18 and Tu-16.

    Quote: KazaK Bo
    BUT THE POLICY OF D. MEDVEDEV, on the advice of the vice-premier, supervising the aviation industry, gosp. DVORKOVICH, comes down to one thing - all that is Russian in aviation - does not have the right to life.

    to judge for treason His time has come for a long time!
    1. old man54
      old man54 29 July 2013 14: 25 New
      +1
      As I understand it, minuses are put by some ignorant but very vicious and cowardly, and it seems I'm right? We have no objections to our opinion, but quietly from around the corner, like girls! laughing
    2. 3 inches.
      3 inches. 29 July 2013 19: 00 New
      +2
      before judging, you would have flown it first. flew on it a passenger many times. compared to the An-2 it’s a masterpiece. By the way, I didn’t see any curtain separating the cabin from the toilet. The wall is like a wall. The impressions are a chic machine. And there’s nothing to do under it Nenado. At many small aerodromes it was exploited, so the base remained. But we can’t see our new machines of this class. There are experienced and pre-production ones. And there is no flow and is unlikely to be expected in the near future.
      1. old man54
        old man54 29 July 2013 21: 06 New
        0
        Quote: 3 inches.
        before judging you would have flown on it first. flew on it a passenger many times. compared with the an-2 it is a masterpiece. By the way, I did not see any curtain separating the cabin from the toilet.

        I agree, I did not fly it, but in the cabin I personally was not once. This system of toilet flushing amazed me, even a schoolboy. Perhaps the wall began to be put later, I saw it somewhere at the turn of the 80 / 84 of the year. But I grew up in the area of ​​the city airport and in my house there lived a lot of pilots, including those who piloted these Elks. I was then a curious kid and asked a lot from them. what kind of plane and whether it is better than ours. Their answers, consolidated, I cited above.
        And with An-2 you do not need to compare, I already wrote above, they have a difference in age of 20 years only. Would you still compare I. Sikorsky with “Ilya Muromets”, would have even more advantages.
        Quote: 3 inches.
        and our new cars of this class can’t be seen. There are experienced and pre-production ones. And there is no flow and is unlikely to be expected in the near future.

        well, we won’t see, in this situation and the approach of the country's government. And many here are happy crazy that they bought a Czech plant and now owners will probably lobby for its deliveries to Russia (by the way with customs duties), and Czech workers will work, they will also receive salaries, and taxes from the pr-v also to Czech treasury go, if cho! bully And in Russia ... and who needs it, among these "oligarchs". angry
        1. 3 inches.
          3 inches. 30 July 2013 00: 17 New
          +2
          I am happy for my people who live in the taiga village. When you fly 4 hours on an2 or a half on Elka you feel the difference with your own ass. By the way, the airfield is unpaved. And Elka works well with it.
    3. lelikas
      lelikas 29 July 2013 20: 10 New
      +2
      Quote: old man54
      The article was put with a “-”, a clean snack from the “Russian Ural Mining and Metallurgical Company (UMMC)”!

      Absolutely agree -
      We read and see how the country grows with an aircraft factory and new aircraft - in fact, we are talking about increasing the profit of Iskander Makhmudov.
      Comparison of aircraft stuck here just to divert the discussion from reality - everyone remembers Stirlitz - only the last question is remembered - and no one will think about how much and who pays to whom.
  8. Kashchei
    Kashchei 29 July 2013 14: 25 New
    11
    "" In short, the car is gorgeous !!!!! And the aerodynamics and layout !!! "" - Particularly touched by the "" attitude of the pilots to the "luxury car" - the pilots who were "transplanted" from the An-2 to the L-410 perceived the newcomer in two ways. On the one hand, the Czech aircraft had a lot of advantages ..... But, on the other hand, for the pilots of the civilian air fleet, the An-2 always remained a free “petrol breadwinner” of their personal “Lada” and “Volga” "" 3 HA-HA - At that level of salaries for pilots, the price of gasoline at a gas station “gasoline” lure was not relevant. Moreover, from the anti-detonation additive (tetraethyl lead) the valves of all Soviet “personal” burned out in a couple of months. Even the muffler burned out completely .... Well, Now I’ll touch on “chicness and aerodynamic layout” - if you put it nearby, then EuroLka certainly beats the old An-2, but if you look a little deeper: 1) when flying to unpaved airfields at An, the weather minimum was much lower than 100 \ 1000 against 200 \ 3000 at L -410 2) During long-term parking / overnight stay, the LCA required a more thorough pre-flight preparation compared to the An-2, which was not always possible in real conditions 3) The L-410 turboprop engines caused a greater flight altitude compared to the An-2 that it led to flights in summer at the heights of the emergence and development of thunderstorm centers And the absence of a locator on board led to blind flights An-2 bypassed these thunderstorms at altitudes of 200-1000m easily visually 5) Well, let's compare the LTX L-410 The maximum take-off aircraft weight is 6 kg., empty weight - 600 kg.
    Engine type - 2 HDD GE H80-200, power - HP 2x800
    The maximum speed is 395 km / h.
    Practical range - 1500 km.
    Practical ceiling - 8 000 m.
    Crew - 2 person.
    Payload - 19 passengers or 1800 kg. cargo. Fuel consumption 1 hour - 350 kg An-2 Weight, kg
    empty 3400 aircraft
    maximum takeoff 5250
    Type of engine 1 ПД Швецова АШ-62ИР
    Power, hp 1 x 1000
    Maximum speed, km / h 250
    Cruising speed, km / h 185
    Practical range, km 2000
    Practical ceiling, m 4500
    Crew, people 2
    Payload: 12 passengers or 1500 kg. Fuel consumption 115 kg per 1 hour of flight. It seems to be here that Lka outperforms Annushka (except for fuel consumption). But the fuel consumption of all these wins leads to the fact that the L-410 has a flight range with maximum payload (without end tanks, ANZ for 45 min.) - 485 km against 950 for An-2
    The range with the maximum fueling (ANZ for 30 minutes) is 1540 km for the An-2 1400 Here this RANGE WITH MAX LOAD reduces most of the advantages of the Czech car to 0 In densely populated Europe (developed airfield network) Lka is good, but in the open spaces of our former countries (well, now Russia and other CIS countries) she was not able to perform many tasks performed by An-2 ....
    1. old man54
      old man54 29 July 2013 14: 43 New
      +1
      You "+" from me, a rare sober opinion on this thread! I’ll correct you only in the part that you are not comparing the L-410 with the An-2 in vain, the An-2 in the area of ​​the 50’s has gone into series, it generally relied on purely ground-based post-war airfields, which is its main advantage, but Czech on the beautiful runways. About domestic counterparts upstream wrote, I will not repeat.
      1. Kashchei
        Kashchei 29 July 2013 16: 27 New
        +3
        The passenger’s opinion (given below) is certainly important. But the opinion of a passenger flying from Domodedovo to Sheremetyevo or from Voronezh to Kursk is probably different from the opinion of a passenger flying from Perm to Serov or Krasnoyarsk-Tour or Podkamennaya Tunguska ... Well, as for the opinion, I gave 13 years old man An-2 as PIC 10 (Oh, and it shook me: From Yoshkar-Ola and Uryupinsk to Ulan Bator and from Omsk Tyumen to Marov) So compare An-2 (Gas 69) and L-410 (Skoda, not even Octavia ) I can not by hearsay, although I flew on Lka only as a passenger
  9. chunga-changa
    chunga-changa 29 July 2013 14: 42 New
    +4
    Repeatedly happened to be a passenger of both aircraft, including in the north. Briefly, fly the AN-2 yourself, at least 950, at least 1450 km, at any speed and in any weather conditions. Although of course anyone can care about the opinion of the passenger, the planes are not for them invented.
  10. Pablo_K
    Pablo_K 29 July 2013 15: 36 New
    +1
    It would be better if they invested in domestic production
  11. Constantine
    Constantine 29 July 2013 16: 32 New
    0
    Somehow he looks a lot like the Fokker 50 smile
    1. Pablo_K
      Pablo_K 29 July 2013 16: 45 New
      +1
      Quote: Constantine
      Somehow he looks a lot like the Fokker 50

      still on AN24, only different weight categories
      1. Constantine
        Constantine 29 July 2013 16: 47 New
        +1
        Quote: Pablo_K
        still on AN24, only different weight categories


        Then why put a minus? smile Judging by the power of the minus, you are the author smile

        Nothing like that, I'm just interested in the thinking algorithm)
        1. Pablo_K
          Pablo_K 29 July 2013 17: 17 New
          -1
          Well, there are many examples of similar aircraft,
          it seems such a layout was invented back in 30 years,
          but the Fokker80 is more likely a competitor to the AN-24
          1. Constantine
            Constantine 29 July 2013 17: 27 New
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            Quote: Pablo_K
            Well, there are many examples of similar aircraft,
            it seems such a layout was invented back in 30 years,
            but the Fokker80 is more likely a competitor to the AN-24


            You did not answer my question:
            Then why put a minus?
  12. smiths xnumx
    smiths xnumx 29 July 2013 23: 25 New
    +1
    With all the wealth of choice, we have no other alternative. L-410 is the only training aircraft of our BTA and long-range aviation, especially Tu-95. An-2, of course, is not killed, but has long been outdated, and we still have not purchased the rights to the An-140. Currently, there is an acute question of light VTA. Today, its basis is 39 An-72/74 and 76 An-24/26. Aircraft are getting old, spare parts are manufactured in Ukraine, relations with which I’m not very afraid, and I’m afraid they will be even worse. IL-214 or MTA, created jointly with India, will make its first flight only in 2016-2018. Moreover, the An-140 and L-410 do not have a cargo ramp and are essentially purely passenger aircraft. I am afraid that at such a pace we ourselves will follow the example of Kazakhstan and Lithuania and will purchase the CASA C-295, A-400M and S-27J Spartan. Yours faithfully! hi
  13. Lecha57
    Lecha57 30 July 2013 00: 04 New
    +2
    I do not think this is the best option.
    1. smiths xnumx
      smiths xnumx 30 July 2013 01: 27 New
      +1
      If you have another better option, please name it. Yours faithfully! hi
      1. studentmati
        studentmati 30 July 2013 01: 31 New
        +1
        L-410 product for professionals! good And for aesthetes too! drinks
  14. Appiann
    Appiann 30 July 2013 12: 51 New
    +1
    All these disputes, of course, are very interesting, but the operating airline will still make the decision. There they consider the money and immediately understand what is needed and what is not.
    And about the new Russian planes, something has remained from the times of the USSR and is being modernized back and forth, but the “modern” developments, it seems to me, bring more problems than good.
    Aviation develops after the engines, which in our country (excluding PS-90) are modern and not, and are not carried out (in civil aviation).
  15. Starover_Z
    Starover_Z 31 July 2013 14: 32 New
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    Almost the latest news in the topic:
    The Tekhnoavia company has launched flight certification tests of the lightweight multi-purpose twin-engine aircraft “Rysachok”
    The twin-engine aircraft "Rysachok" is designed for operation on local airlines. It can land and take off from an unpaved runway having a ground strength of approximately 5,5 kg / cm601. The aircraft is equipped with two M750F turboprop engines with power up to 10 hp. It is designed to carry 2000 passengers. Flight range up to 250 km. Cruising speed is in the range of 400-XNUMX km / h.
    http://sdelanounas.ru/blogs/37778/

    So it remains to be hoped that the small aircraft of Russia will fly on the planes of Russian campaigns.
    1. Appiann
      Appiann 1 August 2013 01: 16 New
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      The Tekhnoavia company has already released SM-92 (T) and nothing good has come of it. I watched about this "Trotter" - single-engine Cessna do it in all respects, and he is also a twin-engine, that is, the consumption of the hoo. In addition, American engines are on it (as on the SM-92 (T)). So it is very doubtful that something worthwhile will turn out, as indeed everything that Tekhnoavia does. It seems that this is an aircraft model club.
  16. eagle owl
    eagle owl 2 August 2013 22: 37 New
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    I didn’t understand why my notice that the L410 was a complete copy of the Soviet BE-30 airplane shown at the parade in Domodedovo in 1967 disappeared.
    1. Gust
      Gust 11 August 2013 13: 07 New
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      L410 is not a copy, but a competitor Be-30. Moreover, inferior to the Be-30, but due to political considerations, it was chosen as an MVL plane so that Czechoslovakia would not bend (CMEA “helped”). The pilots spoke about the L410 to put it mildly not flattering !.