Caucasian perspective on Russia's withdrawal

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The second Caucasian War is not so ghostly, because, according to surveys, more than half of Russians do not object to the separation of the Caucasus. But the voice of the inhabitants of the Caucasus itself is rarely heard in the media, and few people imagine what the highlanders themselves think about this possibility. Although knowing their opinion is just very important and interesting. My interlocutor is Ingush, three higher educations, historical, legal, in-language, 35 years. Last year he lives abroad, in one of the countries of Western Europe - therefore, I think, and agreed to answer my questions so frankly.

Caucasian perspective on Russia's withdrawal


What do you think about the situation in the Caucasus?

- If you are talking about the Caucasus in the context of Russia, then the deadlock is complete! The abyss is deepening, ethnic republics will disappear, and, most importantly, the population is beginning to slowly understand and mentally prepare, even the officials.

- How to prepare?

- People begin to think, understand that the chaos can not continue indefinitely. And they see that Russia is not able to restore order. Misunderstanding increases between regions and the center. It must end. Those who have already realized that this will be the end, are preparing themselves for the worst. There is an understanding that the feds will not let go of the southerners. Someone is waiting for the war, there are young people who are preparing for it, ordinary people just wait and hope for the best, maybe they will get around, the more prosperous, who understand the situation well, for example, from businessmen, are slowly transferring business from Russia abroad, buying real estate - who in Europe, some in the UAE, some in Turkey, etc., in case of waiting out. Well, of course, there are many of those who blindly believe in Russia.

- What will happen to the Caucasus after the withdrawal of Russia?

- In my opinion, the first time order will not be! Everything will depend on regional elites, on their ability to influence those who participated in the confrontation with Russia. From the participants of the resistance themselves, from their ability to adequately assess the current new reality, as well as from the powers that want to participate in establishing contacts with new political entities. The Caucasus will not be united in terms of a single state, the Emirate will not work, but there will be a good basis for unity. The biggest problem, I think, will be to subordinate all armed groups to one command and convince them not to resist the quartering of NATO bases in opposition to Russia.

Otherwise, Russia will stick its nose to infinity, and these are new wars and endless chaos in which we have been living for at least 200 years.

- I do not think that NATO will want to go to the Caucasus.

- NATO in the person of the United States, in any case it will do, it is necessary to cut off Russia from the Middle East as far as possible.

- And how do you feel about the Emirate?

- The emirate is a temporary phenomenon, created in order to materialize the ideological rationale for the war of all Caucasian peoples against Russia. Going beyond the purely Chechen war.

Like most - 95% Ingush - I do not think this is something serious.

- You are not exaggerating? In Ingushetia, a strong underground.

- Of course, the underground in Ingushetia is strong, but in how many percent of the participants is it expressed? No more than 1% of the total population are active, another percentage of 4-5 helps them, anyway, a lot of them simply sympathize. But even among the members of the underground there is no consensus about the Emirate after the liberation of the Caucasus.

- But after all, the Emirate is the only organized armed force in Ingushetia and in the Caucasus in general.

- Yes it is. The Imarat simply has no alternative, and no one is looking for it. The one who suffered from power or injustice, or came to a purely ideological point to the need to fight with this evil, and picks up weapon - automatically becomes imaratchik, although, perhaps, he does not really sympathize with them. But absolutely all armed people are deeply religious people.

There are among them those who realize that it will be difficult to fashion something really systematized from the Emirate. But at the present moment no one talks about this, since it will interfere, at this stage, within the resistance itself.

- And how will the Ingush relations with the Ossetians develop in the event of Russia's withdrawal?

- Everything is difficult with Ossetians, more precisely, it is difficult for Ossetians. If Russia leaves the Caucasus - Ossetians will go along with it, the Ingush are no longer limited to the demand for the return of the Prigorodny District, those who hold weapons in their hands want a complete territorial rehabilitation, i.e. all of Ossetia.

If Moscow leaves them, the Ossetians do not have any resources to keep "their" territory.

- Do you think that the whole of Ossetia is an Ingush territory? Completely all?

- Of course, the Ossetians did not appear yesterday in the Caucasus, and they lived somewhere. They were constantly under someone's protectorate, they were divided among themselves by different Ingush societies and Georgians at different times. Some of the Ingush with them assimilated, we remember it well. If the Ossetians had not undermined relations with the Ingush during the Soviet era, they would have had a chance today to remain at some of their places, but in this situation they have no chance. Therefore, I believe that the whole of Ossetia is the territory of the Ingush.

The armed underground also considers the same, the Caucasus Emirate recognized the territory of Ossetia as a vilayet of G1alg1aiche, i.e. completely beyond the Ingush.

- Let's imagine that Russia has left the Caucasus. What happens to the Ossetians? In detail.

- In my opinion, Russia will not leave without a fight, so the liberation will be accompanied by war. I can not say how long it will last, but I am sure that it will be very bloody. Everyone knows that the bridgehead of Russia is North Ossetia, the 58 army headquarters there, the airfield in Beslan, the largest base in Mozdok, all on the border with Ingushetia. During the fighting, the theater of which will be at least Dagestan, Ingushetia, Chechnya and Kabarda. In the course of the war, it will be clear to the Ossetians themselves, who have stained their hands in Ingush and Chechen blood, that Russia will quit. Naturally, embittered, armed and well-prepared Ingush militants, whom Russia failed to cope with, and all those who had been waiting for a moment to take revenge on them, would rush towards Ossetia. And imagine how you think, will the Ossetians succeed in keeping this attack in the absence of the Feds? Of course not, and the Ossetians know this well themselves. Therefore, as the army units retreat, the Ossetian population will also come out. The Ossetians will indulge themselves with the fact that the Russian Federation is going out for a while, as it was in Chechnya's 90's, but then they will only deceive themselves. Surely, not everyone will run away immediately, but, as time passes, everyone will leave. The Ingush will not massacre the civilian population, we are different in this, but any attempt to "not look at it" will be punished harshly.

- And what did the Ossetians do to the Chechens? In the "Ingush blood" - this is understandable. But why in Chechen?

- Ossetian formations participated in the Chechen wars, especially "lit up" during the first war, as usual, massacres of civilians, women, children and old people. They also participated in the massacre in Samashki. Because of this, the Chechens did not take the Ossetians into captivity, but they slaughtered them in retaliation. This is the only people living in the Caucasus who have discredited themselves in relation to their neighbors. There are problems with the Ingush problems, with the Chechens problems, with the Kabardians, and the whole world knows what is with the Georgians.

- But Kadyrov spoke in support of Ossetia.

- Almost all Chechen nationalists supported Ossetia.

- Why ??

- Because they have suffered and are suffering pan-Chechen ideology, they want to join, if not all of Ingushetia, then its part.

- Let's go back to the problem of leaving Russia. I do not think she will leave under the influence of military force. Yes, and there is no force that would achieve this, except for the Emirate, but he is weak.

But almost all colonial empires collapsed under the influence of an internal crisis.

This is exactly what can happen with the North Caucasus.

If several riots of the Pugachev type occur today (which is happening today in the town of Pugachev), an act of terrorism like Nord-Ost, an external crisis and a sharp drop in oil prices, or an economic crisis for a different reason, at the same time unrest in Moscow like Bolotnaya or Manezhki (the liberal middle class or nationalists bring several tens of thousands to the streets) - then the Kremlin simply runs from the Caucasus. This is the most real.

- Of course, in the Caucasus there is no military force capable of throwing out a Russian army boot, even with active support from the outside. Here the political situation in the center should play its role, i.e. the crisis of the central government, most likely the Putin regime, possibly provoked by economic problems. Of course, this should take advantage of the Western countries to put pressure. Then from Moscow there will be an order to “leave the Caucasus”, and leaving the military, they will destroy everything, and the people cannot say that we just took it, thought it and decided to leave the fucking Caucasus, they won't understand. Therefore, they will play war games.

- And what will happen then?

“Then the Ingush and Chechens, thirsting for revenge, those who were at home and those who will start coming home from all over the world, will begin to set their own rules. They will catch officials and those who served them, all sorts of corrupt mullahs and muftis, take revenge on snitches, traitors, and divide their property. There will be an attempt to create an Islamic state of the Caucasus Emirate, but nationalism cannot be overcome. A little more will argue about the borders, half of the population will leave the places of permanent residence, i.e. will become refugees, and for a long time will not want to return.

- But Kadyrov has his strength.

Remember what happened after the withdrawal of the Soviets from Afghanistan. Najibullah held on for a few more years.

“If the Kremlin escapes from the Caucasus, they will leave the weapon to Kadyrov.” And the oil of Chechnya will be under his control - and that means there will be money.

- Kadyrov will not remain in his place either. Yes, there are forces, but they are not equal. The Kadyrov formations will not want to fight against their own, since most of them see their future in Chechnya, and they will understand that this is not for long, many will go over to the side of the militants and will repent. As for oil, one or two terrorist attacks on the oil pipeline - that's all the end of the money.

In addition, most of the militants in the Caucasus are Chechens, the forests are teeming with them. Due to the closed access of the media in Chechnya, Russians and the world do not see this.

- And the Circassians, Dagestanis, Karachay-Balkarians? What will happen in their lands?

- Approximately the same, but taking into account national and historical features.

There are many nationalities in Dagestan, they have to agree among themselves there. Kabardians have territorial difficulties with Balkarians, etc. As for the original Circassian territories outside the borders of the present-day Circassian republics, the problem with this chain is that the Circassians themselves turned out to be the weakest link at this time.

So, there will be a lot of problems, and they will have to be solved.

- While from what you say, bloody chaos emerges.

Remember what happened in Chechnya after the Russians left - criminal lawlessness, kidnapping throughout the country and in Chechnya itself, civil war. Against this background, Wahhabis appeared as carriers of unifying ideology.

- Alas, but in one way or another this cannot be avoided, I am almost sure of it, too many contradictions have accumulated, they should spill out.

- What unifying ideology will appear in this case? And will it appear at all? Will Islamists take over again?

- There is no alternative to Islam, but do not think that it will be aggression of all against all. Of course, we have supporters of world jihad, but they are in the minority, the majority understand that Islam still needs to be strengthened among the people, and we are tired of wars and instability, people need peace.

- And what will happen in the relations between the Ingush and the Chechens?

- Perhaps, there will be some territorial dispute, a border one, but on the basis of Shari'ah and Adat it will be quickly resolved. Merging will not be accurate.

- And the role of the Sufis?

- The role of the Sufis, of course, is significant, but the Salafis will order the music. There will be dismantling with the Sufis, more precisely with the top, which served the power, and then somehow grow together, but the role of the Sufis will decrease.

- Return of Imamat Shamil on a Sufi basis?

- Utopia!

- How do you see the future of Abkhazia?

- This is already more difficult, I don’t have so many connections with her. I think, unlike South Ossetia, they have good chances to remain independent. Here the role will be largely played by the position of third parties, and to what extent Abkhazia itself is ready and willing to defend its sovereignty.

- And South Ossetia?

- All Ossetia will share between the Ingush and the Georgians. Ingush - North, Georgians - South.

- How common is waiting for Russia to leave in the North Caucasus today?

- Everyone knows that Russia will leave, everyone listened to the stories of old men about prophecies, now these prophecies come true in front of our eyes. Those who think - only guess when, how soon. But there are many who do not believe in it. They did not believe in the collapse of the USSR, but they were mistaken, so it will be this time.

- If in percentage terms, how many thinks that Russia will leave?

- 40 - 50%, not less.

- How many are sure that Russia will leave, how many doubt and how many think that Russia will be in the North Caucasus always, in the foreseeable future?

- 40 percent-50% are sure; 30 percent still know what will go away, but they don’t think that soon, 10 percent don’t think about anything at all. And the fact that Russia will always be in the Caucasus - no more than 10%, I say this with confidence!

- What will be the fate of the Russians who still remain in the North Caucasus?

- In Ingushetia and Chechnya there are almost none. And from Dagestan and Kabarda, they actively leave.

- What can you say about the Cossacks?

- The Cossacks are fake, this ryazhenoe scarecrow, which is still a little preserved in the Stavropol region and in the Kuban - and more than half of the impostors who do not have Cossack origin.

- Will the borders between the Russian Federation and the republics of the North Caucasus remain unchanged? The so-called Russian Caucasus? Kuban, Sochi, Pyatigorsk? This is the former Circassian land. The borders of the independent North Caucasus separated from Russia - are these only the borders of the North Caucasian Federal District?

- It is difficult to foresee, but I do not doubt that the Caucasian expansion in this direction will continue. The question is how soon will the forces gather for this.
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  1. serge-68-68
    +88
    29 July 2013 06: 36
    The interviewee is still fantastic ... And he very easily handles not only the departure and arrival of Russia or NATO, but also with human lives. About people like him they say "theorists have clean hands, and the practitioners have a clear conscience." It is good for him to theorize, sitting "in one of the countries of Western Europe."
    1. +55
      29 July 2013 06: 56
      Immediately you can see a "real patriot", the Caucasian people, nothing indicates that he is a Western mongrel))))
      My interlocutor is Ingush, three higher educations, historical, legal, in-lingual, 35 years old. Last year he lives abroad, in one of the countries of Western Europe - therefore, I think, and agreed to answer my questions so frankly.
      The MINUS article is huge. Such articles here bring a split into society.
      What unifying ideology will appear in this case?
      Yes, not what, cut each other, that's the whole story.
      1. +34
        29 July 2013 11: 12
        Quote: Sirocco
        Such articles here bring a split into society.

        It is the authors of such statues that bear the same split. Provocateurs.
        The Ingush are playing out, the Chechens will be the first to cut them out in the state predicted by the narrator. It is no accident that the Chechens, upon returning to the North Caucasus, demanded the separation of the Chechen-Ingush Republic into two! These educated Ingush think too well of themselves. They just have to start proving that they are also smart, almost like Jews in Israel.
        1. Alexholzman
          +24
          29 July 2013 12: 09
          Apparently, we will recall Beria more than once, because he proposed to flood them in barges in the Caspian, but Stalin turned out to be more humane.
        2. Lech from ZATULINKI
          +16
          29 July 2013 18: 42
          In such cases, it is time to revive the methods of Comrade Beria.
          The patience of the KREMLIN is not infinite. I think after the SOCHIN OLYMPIAD interesting events in the Caucasus will begin, not in favor of the Caucasian bandits.
      2. +21
        29 July 2013 12: 41
        three higher educations

        in 35 years are not a guarantee of the mind, but rather show that a person:
        1. doesn't understand what he wants
        2. doesn't have to work hard to earn a living if he can afford to study all the time
        1. +12
          29 July 2013 14: 47
          And the expression "anyway" indicates the quality of humanitarian (in. Lang) education. A sort of raspaltsovochka "New Ingush".
      3. +20
        29 July 2013 13: 51
        Good afternoon!
        the article is not a minus but a plus should be set, this emigrant living in Europe deserves a minus, and the author shows us his vision, here a minus is not appropriate. you need to know what is in their heads, maybe this particular person has something to do with extremists on the territory of the Russian Federation.
        but his eyes are stubborn))
        1. piroman2011
          +3
          29 July 2013 15: 21
          I think so too. Good interview. immediately visible ideological strategist.
        2. +4
          29 July 2013 17: 01
          The interview (and not the interviewee) is undoubtedly +. Such things should be printed in the central newspapers and shown on TV so that everyone knows what’s what. But they will not show it because it is politically incorrect.
          I wonder if the interviewee is not afraid to go into the toilet? After all, there he can expect a surprise from GDP.
          1. essenger
            +5
            30 July 2013 22: 25
            Quote: Nagan
            I wonder if the interviewee is not afraid to go into the toilet?

            Not like the toilet, he calmly participates in political discussions on the central channels of Russia.
            1. 0
              31 July 2013 21: 11
              I would like to hope that he will eventually be soaked in the toilet. Well, or at least on the central channel. Deserves it without options.
      4. +7
        29 July 2013 19: 10
        Quote: Sirocco
        The "real patriot" is immediately evident,
        Here we must also add about the "polls" cited by the author: what 40-50% of Russians were interviewed? who interviewed? And the interlocutor himself, living in "Western Europe", how does he know for certain - what moods in the Caucasus? So the article is a pure provocation: do not understand who interviewed someone who is not clear ... as always in such cases)))
      5. +3
        30 July 2013 16: 29
        Yes, what the hell is Ingush, he has a yarmulke on his head. A harmful article that subconsciously prepares Russians for the separation of the Caucasus.
    2. soldat1945
      +56
      29 July 2013 06: 58
      Maybe it was a reception from a psychiatrist, but we thought it was an interview!
      1. +15
        29 July 2013 07: 12
        Yes, this interview can be used as data for differential diagnosis.
        conclusion-stubborn
        1. +7
          29 July 2013 10: 04
          Nobody knows why this bearded stuffed animal is still alive after such "interviews"?
          1. +14
            29 July 2013 11: 08
            Nobody knows why this bearded stuffed animal is still alive after such "interviews"?

            The answer (as in a joke) - but who needs it on .er!
            1. +1
              29 July 2013 11: 13
              He has a kind of Palestinian, Middle Eastern look. Sorry for this "great ingusha". Many representatives of small nationalities dream of their greatness, fortunately, history leaves no stone unturned from such dreams (sakli on a hill).
              1. +13
                29 July 2013 12: 27
                In the photo Avram Shmulevich himself, so what kind of look he should have)
                1. +7
                  29 July 2013 17: 27
                  Indeed, Shmul himself, the second Borukh Stomakhin (or maybe the first who will take them apart). A lot of honor to know such in person.
                  Just the meaning of the article becomes more understandable - one Russophobe found another Russophobe.
          2. +4
            29 July 2013 12: 35
            this scarecrow also claims that he personally met with Putin
            http://www.sem40.ru/lenta/news-dir/125179.html
        2. +7
          29 July 2013 14: 12
          Quote: Gleb
          Yes, this interview can be used as data for differential diagnosis.
          conclusion-stubborn

          Previously, such people were kept only in wards with Napoleons, kings and others ... without the right to walk.
          Such bacteria live am ... and everything around them is poisoning. These are open calls for the massacre of each other. angry !!!
      2. +12
        29 July 2013 07: 15
        You want to say interns are sporting, with Napoleons laughing
        1. +8
          29 July 2013 07: 31
          there was no Ingush. divorce and provocation
          1. Sasha1273
            +18
            29 July 2013 07: 35
            And were there any polls, I am always amazed by the expression: "according to the poll," I have never answered any poll, are they carried out on Rublevka?
            1. +7
              29 July 2013 08: 03
              nothing to talk about
              1. ded10041948
                +4
                29 July 2013 11: 18
                What is this report from a bunch of mummers and holy fools?
                1. +4
                  29 July 2013 12: 31
                  Well, the author of this article is the person involved in the video
                  1. +5
                    29 July 2013 17: 45
                    Thank you for the video, a great addition to the article, even, perhaps, on the contrary - this article is an addition to the video.
                    Brothers-Slavs, does not this so sweetly called by some "gathering of holy fools" remind you of what has already traced a bloody trail in Mother Russia in the 20th century?
                    1. shpuntik
                      +4
                      29 July 2013 23: 51
                      Here they have what rechki (in the frame of the 6th minute). Until some provisions of the Talmud are recognized as Nazi, there will be wars and revolutions.
              2. shpuntik
                +7
                29 July 2013 11: 54
                So here he is, "reindeer"! These immigrants from the Union, I wonder who they worked in the USSR? Whose relatives are they if red is so important to them?
                Thanks for the video, it's better to see once :-)
              3. +3
                29 July 2013 12: 44
                Parade of idiots. Most immigrants from the USSR are much more adequate.
              4. +3
                29 July 2013 21: 38
                La-la-la, la-la-la, la-la-la ... So, with songs the Jewish partisans will go into battle, and they will slaughter those who do not agree with the construction of "great Israel" from the Rio Grande to Huanghe.Ni X .. (here a grazing "P") .. And your appetites!
            2. +2
              29 July 2013 11: 09
              Surveys, if they do, then for pre-trained people. These centers have their own electorate catalog on any issue. The expected answer will always be. This is AXIOM.
            3. Bashkaus
              +8
              29 July 2013 12: 40
              And I hit several times, including and to the Levada Center. Honestly, the fact that according to their polls the population hates their power, is waiting for the arrival of NATO because everything is very bad with us - it's true, I always answer for two reasons.
              1, so that the authorities would not relax, they wouldn’t wake up such pins in w ...
              2-West also listens to our polls. Remember what kind of faces they had, when on the basis of the same polls they made a bet on the Russian spring during the presidential election, they were absolutely sure that all of Russia would come out to sweep Putin, but in reality it turned out to be a little of mentally healthy people))) )
              Personally, I was pleased that I had a hand in this "break".
              1. +3
                29 July 2013 13: 12
                Quote: Bashkaus
                the west also listens to our polls. Remember what kind of faces they had, when on the basis of the same polls they made a bet on the Russian spring


                So otozh, Hitler with his blitzkrieg on a similar blizzard seduced. The result is sad - for everyone with a sword ...
              2. +1
                31 July 2013 13: 05
                Quote: Bashkaus
                And I hit several times, including and to the Levada Center. Honestly, the fact that according to their polls the population hates their power, is waiting for the arrival of NATO because everything is very bad with us - it's true, I always answer for two reasons.

                For the majority of the population deeply ... what they write in left.
                People always hate power and only power loves itself, there is nothing new for millennia.
                If you rely on the polls of Levada, then, in theory, when I meet a deputy, I have to fill his face, somehow I don’t notice the crowd of deputies with fingals under my eye! a car that seeks will always find.
                The fact that the people are angry and rather violently and aggressively react to injustice is normal, the Russians have always been like that !. Pugachev as an example.
                As for the southerners in all forms, I think they have problems with their heads, maybe their diuretic system does not work correctly, but our amba can freeze cold too.
                And their holidays are ahem, wonderful or something, I don’t understand the ram then what does it have to do with it? judging by the videos that I saw from ramadan, the lamb’s lovers there also pass the power of the victim in the process of decapitation. Yes, and it’s strange to God, he sees through the houses during the day and at night, well! This is in my class 7 physics, if I remember correctly, about the waves! In general, the meaning is this: those types of radiation that they see through houses during the day, perfectly see the same thing at night, the presence or absence of visible light does not affect.
      3. +9
        29 July 2013 08: 48
        Quote: soldat1945
        Maybe it was a reception by a psychiatrist,

        Not a reception for sure. Another ideologist of the Caucasus branch. That's why he fled home from abroad. Underground, riots in Russia. Clown.
        Realizing that the bandits always remain bandits, he begins to talk about everyone .. Such a beautiful formulation is EVERYTHING ... It seems like about no one in particular, but about everyone at once.
      4. Natalia
        +20
        29 July 2013 09: 19
        I don’t even want to comment on this. You see Ingush living with a higher education living abroad ... and I suppose he lives in a geyropa, and they all have a geyropa for a long time margarine instead of brains.
        1. +3
          29 July 2013 10: 38
          The only good news is that he preaches in Geyrop. In general, a person is really sick, it’s a sin to laugh at such a thing.
          1. Alexholzman
            +2
            29 July 2013 12: 13
            So Geyropa sheltered them all, and now they themselves howl - what chaos are being arranged by the "refugees" from Chechnya and Ingushetia and cannot cope with them!
      5. mansur
        +8
        29 July 2013 09: 21
        Quote: soldat1945
        Maybe it was a reception from a psychiatrist, but we thought it was an interview!

        From the movie ,, Prisoner of the Caucasus ,,
        SHURIK: I understand that you all do not believe me ... Can I see the prosecutor?
        CHIEF: You can. Where is our prosecutor?
        DOCTOR ON duty: In the sixth ward ... where Napoleon used to be.
    3. +32
      29 July 2013 07: 55
      Quote: serge-68-68
      The interviewee is still fantastic ..

      Worse, he's just sick. We’ll cut those figs for ourselves, we’ll catch these, Ossetians are not people at all ....... Mlya fly where such ghouls come from ???
      Three higher educations:
      1. As a child, I listened to grandmother's tales - historical.
      2. The first three classes stood in the corner - legal.
      3. By the end of the third grade, I somehow learned to read - in.yaz ......
      1. +7
        29 July 2013 09: 17
        Quote: ziqzaq

        Author Avrom Shmulevich

        The title of the article should be changed: to "" "RIDDLE AND DREAMS" "" Zionist Avrom ..... Mr. Shulevich, your crazy dreams are not when not to come true !!!
        But Israel will have to give the Palestinians the territories conquered in 1967 and the Golan, Syria the same.
      2. mansur
        +8
        29 July 2013 09: 27
        Quote: ziqzaq
        Worse, he's just sick

        And he is far from sick--
        Leader of the International Hypersionist Movement "Bead Arceinu" ("For the Motherland")
        former member of the political council of the Russian movement "Eurasia"
        The movement stands in radically anti-Arab positions; also held events in support of Serbia and Soviet veterans persecuted in Latvia (Kononova, Savenko).
        At the founding congress of the Eurasia movement in April 2001, he became a member of the political council (the leader of the movement was Alexander Dugin; in 2002, the movement was transformed into a party and Israeli citizen Shmulevich automatically dropped out of it).
        Hasid, a member of the World Council of Bratslav Hasidim (Hasidism is the dominant trend in Judaism among Ashkenazi; in Russia is represented by the Federation of Jewish Communities of Russia (FEOR)) Berel Lazar.
        Supporter of the "Eurasian" union of Israel and Russia, Hasidim and Sufi Islam against "Atlanticism" and the Wahhabis.
        He advocates the creation of Greater Israel within the borders of the Nile to the Euphrates, for the restoration of a Moarchic form of government in future Greater Israel.
        http://www.anticompromat.org/shmulevich/shmulbio.html
        1. +2
          29 July 2013 10: 38
          Quote: mansur
          And he is far from sick--
          Leader of the International Hypersionist Movement "Bead Arceinu" ("For the Motherland")

          And where is the Zionists ,, homeland?? On Mars. laughing
        2. +2
          29 July 2013 13: 18
          Quote: mansur
          Advocates for the creation of Greater Israel within the borders of the Nile to the Euphrates


          Only here in the video, something was said about "to the Yellow River." request
      3. +4
        29 July 2013 09: 41
        Quote: ziqzaq
        Mlyah fly where such ghouls come from ???



        I recently finished Sergei Kozlov's book "Special Forces of the GRU: 50 Years of History, 20 Years of Wars" interesting facts he tells: when in the late 90s militants of Khattab and Basayev several times attacked Dagestan, local residents came to supply our units with food. , persuaded to accept food, and even in large villages self-defense units were organized, blocked the roads by organizing checkpoints. A case is described when a car with special forces soldiers was stopped and could not pass.
        1. Gari
          +11
          29 July 2013 11: 54
          Quote: seller trucks
          I recently finished Sergei Kozlov's book "Special Forces of the GRU: 50 Years of History, 20 Years of Wars" He tells interesting facts: when Dagestan in the late 90s was attacked several times by militants of Khattab and Basayev, local residents came to supply our units with food. , persuaded to accept food, and even in large villages self-defense units were organized, blocked the roads by organizing checkpoints.

          The head of Ingushetia, Yunus-bek Bamatgireevich Evkurov, is a Russian military and statesman.
          From 1982 to 1984, he served in the Marine Corps of the Pacific Fleet [2].
          At the end of the service, he was recommended for exams at the Ryazan Higher Airborne Command School. Evkurov entered this school and graduated in 1989. He began his service in the reconnaissance of the 350th Guards Parachute Regiment in Belarus, in Borovukha 1.
          In 1997 he graduated from the Military Academy named after M.V. Frunze.
          He served in command positions in the Airborne Forces. He took part in counter-terrorism operations in the North Caucasus. In particular, a detachment of Lieutenant Colonel Yevkurov, performing one of the reconnaissance tasks, discovered and rescued 12 Russian servicemen from Chechen captivity, the chief of staff of the 217th Guards Parachute Regiment of the 98th Guards Svirskaya Red Banner Order of Kutuzov of the 2nd Airborne Descent divisions personally took part in this military operation.
          In June 1999, Yevkurov was in the Serb-Bosnian city of Uglevik (Serb. Ugљevik) as part of the Russian contingent in Bosnia and Herzegovina under the auspices of SFOR.
          In an interview with the President of the Republic of Ingushetia, Yunus-bek Yevkurov (at the time the major events were highlighted), it became known that since the end of May 1999, a group of 18 GRU fighters secretly penetrated the territory of the Slatina airport and actually controlled it until the landing battalion approached. All the circumstances of this operation are still classified.
          On April 13, 2000, Yunus-bek Yevkurov was awarded the title of Hero of the Russian Federation with the award of the Golden Star medal. According to Yevkurov - for throwing Russian paratroopers on Pristina.
          In 2004 he graduated from the Academy of the General Staff.
          Since 2004 - Guard Colonel, Deputy Head of the Intelligence Directorate of the Volga-Ural Military District (Yekaterinburg).
          1. Gari
            +5
            29 July 2013 12: 06
            Yunus-Bek Evkurov visited the Russian Championship in parachuting for accuracy of landing. Competitions started today in Nazran.
            A Major General who served in the Airborne Forces decided to take part in the competition. However, the jump from 200 meters ended with a turning point, "Mayak" reports. The politician was injured because, upon landing, he tried to untangle the parachute lines.
            At the trauma center of the local clinical hospital he was given the necessary medical care, after which Yu.-B. Yevkurov returned to the competition on crutches and in plaster. A full recovery will take at least 3 weeks. The politician said that he would comply with all the requirements of doctors, but was not going to rest.
            Behind Y.-B. Evkurov is now 249 parachute jumps.
            1. +11
              29 July 2013 12: 31
              On 20 of March 1992 of the year, the highest degree of distinction in the Russian Federation was established - the title of Hero of the Russian Federation and the Gold Star medal. During this time, 32 of the Dagestan were awarded this high rank. Among them are Magomed Tolboev, Abdulhakim Ismailov, Zagid Zagidov, Magomed Omarov, Adilgerey Magomedtagirov, Gapal Hajiyev, Zulkaid Kaidov and others.
              In addition, there are 66 people, mostly law enforcement officers awarded the title of Hero of the Russian Federation. All of them received it, taking part in special business trips in the North Caucasus, namely in Dagestan.
              The highest state award is awarded for courage and heroism to the soldiers who fought in the "hot spots", for outstanding achievements in the development of outer space, new aviation equipment, and special services to the state and people.
      4. +1
        31 July 2013 13: 11
        1,2,3 :)
        The article traces the negative attitude towards Russia, and constantly asserts that Russia will leave.
        But it is curious that he exposes the internal problems between groups, but intentionally or not I xs.
        That’s how Jews usually talk, oh how bad it is with us that the refrigerator doesn’t close the food !.
    4. avt
      +13
      29 July 2013 09: 31
      Quote: serge-68-68
      The interviewee is still fantastic ...

      It’s not a science fiction at all, it’s quite a fosterling of the Gorbachev Confederation of Mountain Peoples, which is incompetent in the toilet.
      Quote: soldat1945
      Maybe it was a reception by a psychiatrist,

      Then there would be no interviews, but lead gadgets. The enemy is concrete, in the distant times - now almost epic, quite a client of Sudoplatov’s service.
      1. yak69
        +22
        29 July 2013 09: 43
        The first one. Pay attention to who the author of the article is and everything becomes clear!
        The second one. Russia's withdrawal from the Caucasus will mean the withdrawal of Russia as a state from the world stage and, in general, Russia's withdrawal into oblivion.
        The third. The statement that half of Russians for separating the Caucasus from Russia is a PROVOCATION.

        The task of the leaders of Russia: an increase in the territory of the state due to the return of the lost and accession of new lands.
      2. fedorovith
        0
        29 July 2013 17: 38
        He couldn’t see the place at the feeding trough, and he was offended, but there they prophesied just to the yard.
    5. Zhzhuk
      +21
      29 July 2013 10: 03
      Avraam Shmulevich (Avrom Shmulevich, nee Nikita Sergeevich Dyomin, born 10-11-1968, Murmansk) - Israeli politician, rabbi [1] [2], historian, political scientist. Leader of the International Hypersionist Movement Bead Arceinu, with a center in Israel and branches in several other countries

      the opinion of a Caucasian who was born in Murmansk, a mother, a Jewish father, a Russian dad ... comrades are a very good example of desa and how we are pitted, and before the Chechen war a large Jewish diaspora lived there, but before the war everyone quickly left, while the Russians fought with the Chechens, the Jews stole the bank factories the friendliest people


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    6. Ruslan_F38
      +8
      29 July 2013 10: 32
      "three higher educations, historical, legal, in-yaz, 35 years old. For the last year he has been living abroad, in one of the countries of Western Europe - that is why, I think, he agreed to answer my questions so frankly." - and couldn't you find another candidate for this interview? Firstly, he is young, secondly, he lives abroad, and thirdly, he is inadequate judging by his appearance and the interview itself. Apparently too lazy to find a more worthy person.
      1. +3
        29 July 2013 11: 14
        Quote: Ruslan_F38
        thirdly, inadequate judging by the appearance and the interview itself

        Apparently in the photo we see the author himself, Shmulevich.
        1. Ruslan_F38
          +3
          29 July 2013 13: 32
          [quote = Flood] [quote = Ruslan_F38] thirdly, it is inadequate judging by the appearance and the interview itself [/ quote]
          Apparently in the photo we see the author himself, Shmulevich. [/ Quote

          Hmm, well, then that the author, that the interviewee - as a result of "joint activities" this article.
    7. +9
      29 July 2013 10: 48
      Quote: serge-68-68
      The interviewee is still fantastic ..

      Totally agree with you! Andersen Hans is just a child in comparison with this science fiction.
      Firstly, if we assume for a minute that we will dump from the Caucasus, then Islamist bandos of various stripes will immediately come there and put a big and fat (well, we all know what) on the population they will begin to divide power and cash flows from "fraternal" Muslim countries (Qatar, Saudi Arabia and Turkey - where can we go without it). They will cut both us on the borders of the newly formed subjects, and each other! Pensions and subsidies will disappear by themselves, live as you want Allah to help!
      At the expense of America and NATO, here is generally full urzhach !!! It is beneficial for the West that endless wars-weakening RUSSIA would be desirable across the Caucasus on the border of RUSSIA!
      They themselves will not climb into this sartir in the open, but will be by all means. when to the silent, and when to the brazen to support all this viper!
      All this was already not so long ago.
      Yes, and this mud himself ... to-fiction lives in a quiet and calm country, and does not raise his homeland.
      1. +1
        29 July 2013 11: 03
        he doesn’t look for 35 years ..........
        Because of this, the Chechens of the Ossetians did not capture, but slaughtered them in revenge. This is the only people living in the Caucasus who have discredited themselves in relation to their neighbors.
        why then the Chechens Georgians were kicked out of South Ossetia ...... some kind of bearded provocateur
        1. OCD
          +6
          29 July 2013 13: 29
          “Ossetian formations participated in the Chechen wars, especially during the first war, as usual, massacres over civilians, over women, children and old people. They also took part in the massacre in Samashki. Chechens did not take Ossetians prisoner because of this, but they were slaughtered in revenge. This is the only people living in the Caucasus who discredited themselves in relation to their neighbors. "
          What Ossetian formations participated in the Chechen wars? What is the massacre in Samashki with the participation of Ossetian forces? But in Beslan once again showed their true complexity.
          And in South Ossetia, Chechens in Tskhinval appeared only with the landing. Until the army entered the city, they were not visible.
      2. Alexholzman
        +6
        29 July 2013 12: 32
        But how can you seriously take this interview, this is a provocation on a given topic, look at our media, everyone is choking with hatred for the Caucasus and lurking any incident with the Caucasians.
        Have we already forgotten about the "face of Caucasian nationality" in the 90s?
        Everything is done to drive a wedge and split the already barely living ties between the regions! The split of Russia will not end in the Caucasus!
    8. serge-68-68
      +4
      29 July 2013 11: 05
      Everything turned out to be much simpler. The interview was invented by Shmulevich himself. Famous (censored) ... In the photo - he himself. There is no Ingush with three higher educations. He is the leader of the "Hypersionist Movement" "BEAD ARTSEINU" ("FOR THE HOMELAND!"), His website is on the network.
      1. 755962
        +3
        29 July 2013 12: 13
        But even among the participants in the underground no consensus


        He has never been, never has been and never will be .. they all think of themselves as a "star", but therefore what kind of centralization can we talk about? Take the same militants in Syria shooting at each other and pulling the blanket over themselves ..
        Chaos is what comes to mind in the first place ...
        Brownian motion...
      2. Alexholzman
        +6
        29 July 2013 12: 18
        In general, an Ingush with 3 higher educations is the same nonsense as in Soviet times - an Ingush professor.
        1. survivor
          +3
          29 July 2013 12: 55
          but this, my friend is complete nonsense. My uncle, currently the rector of the university, has three graduates, is a professor of philology, speaks and writes fluently in nine languages.
          full minus article. I will not comment ....
    9. protopop avvakum
      +3
      29 July 2013 12: 14
      I bet that he lives in London and one of the candidates for rulers
    10. +4
      29 July 2013 12: 57
      Quote: serge-68-68
      The interviewee is still fantastic ... And he very easily handles not only the departure and arrival of Russia or NATO, but also with human lives. About people like him they say "theorists have clean hands, and the practitioners have a clear conscience." It is good for him to theorize, sitting "in one of the countries of Western Europe."


      Here the interviewer himself is more interesting - Avrom Shmulevich. So is the meaning of this stuffing.

      Russia went to the Caucasus to stop the raids of all kinds of rabble (no matter what slogans they cover) Nothing in the world has changed. It is better to hammer them in small parties, without leaving the cash register, than to resist the invasion, more organized and equipped with "friends of the Caucasus", which will lead to much greater human losses for Russia and the peoples of the Caucasus itself.
      Unfortunately, there were always enough "fighters" for whom to fight (no matter with whom) is the meaning of life. Such "dogs of war" do not need peace a priori.

      How can the sons of Israel be respected when they bring, to our hearts, the filth of schism and all the other abominations connected with this? Think about why this Avrom pulled this Fuhrerren without a clan and tribe (because a true highlander will never wish evil to his homeland)
    11. strange and pretty meaningless
      +2
      29 July 2013 13: 42
      The article is the infamous BOB. Not all yogurts are equally healthy.
    12. +2
      29 July 2013 14: 51
      The interviewee is still fantastic ...

      Supporting your ideas completely, I’ll say only one thing - this is not a science fiction ... it’s the oracle of new attacks of Islam ... This is another test ball on the probe of public opinion ... to correct the further development of the situation ..
      There is an understanding that the feds for the good southerners will not let go

      Where to let go? In your new public education ISLAMIC CALIPHATE?
      What would you "fledge" and how the wild horde of Genghis Khan rushed into the vastness of Orthodox Russia to assert the green banner of Islam with fire and sword?
      Thanks! We don't need this! We have already passed this! If your national clan "hillocks" cannot divide power and money, this does not mean that the central government does not have enough strength and political will to reason with the presumptuous newly-minted leaders.
      And in order that there would be no illusions for such oracles, we just need to change the constitution of the country, to the principles of the state laid down in their basic law - NO SELF-DETERMINATION, ALL IN ONE STATE, with the delegation of a number of rights only to the center - defense, finance, foreign affairs. For the rest - democracy and equality ... and no "let go" .. "secede" and in the same spirit.
    13. +3
      29 July 2013 14: 59
      serge-68-68 RU Today, 06: 36

      The interviewee is still fantastic.
      No, he is from the Napoleonic chamber. But the author, taking the interview, comes from one nation, which spoils the blood of many people around the world. And here on the site decided to spoil
    14. +1
      29 July 2013 20: 37
      Man fantasizes! Never and under no circumstances will Russia leave the Caucasus! This Ingush dreamed about Western bread, and the sponsors' money must be beaten off. A military conflict is possible, no one rejects it, but there will be no new war like the Chechen one. First: it is not Yeltsin who is in power and the Minister of Defense is not Grachev; secondly, 6 he correctly said "1 percent in the forest and 4-5 helps them", and the remaining 95 percent will not allow this war to break out, because this will immediately entail the termination of subsidies from Moscow (almost the entire North Caucasus sits on subsidies, no production, which means there is no work).
    15. +1
      29 July 2013 20: 48
      Quote: serge-68-68
      The interviewee is still fantastic ...


      Our ancestors shed their blood for this land and we won’t give it away while this country is standing - the dreams of various subhuman people about separating the Caucasus from Russia will remain dreams.
    16. 0
      30 July 2013 00: 24
      Quote: serge-68-68
      The interviewee is still fantastic ...

      He is an educated man, a Caucasian .... If he considers the Caucasus a bloody viper, then the way it is - he knows better: he is part of this viper.
    17. +1
      30 July 2013 04: 35
      I agree absolutely! It’s well warm there, and they don’t shoot! All the more they feed such "enlightened minds" with three formations! Well, this very sophisticated husband in science does not help his "offended by all neighbors" people to build a normal life ?! Oh no, here you still need to find a use for yourself, with three formations, and in Europe, even for a negative position towards Russia and its allies, especially with pronounced Wahhabi views and teachings, they pay well! Where is the dry cleaner of our special services ?! Such highly erudite cuckoos should be removed as spots on a snow-white shirt - promptly, quickly, so that they do not eat up! hi
    18. 0
      31 July 2013 11: 43
      Glancing at the "bearded" photo, he no longer doubted the content of the interview. What can you expect from a Wahhabi radical ...
      And the conclusion: Russia can’t leave the Caucasus in any way ... because it will get a war in the Kuban and in Stavropol ...
    19. 0
      3 August 2013 09: 34
      Article from the series "How to manage the Universe without attracting the attention of orderlies"
      Recently I heard where this expression fully reflects the opinion of the person being integrated.
  2. +9
    29 July 2013 06: 39
    dreams of the possessed
    1. +6
      29 July 2013 08: 51
      Quote: stas52
      dreams of the possessed

      Not dreams, but an attempt to draw attention to the partisans and the underground, to roll them up in pork skins. There will be sponsors. Business, nothing personal. You always want to eat. And you can always buy sheep for slaughter in the villages.
      1. coserg 2012
        +2
        29 July 2013 11: 33
        You got a control in the head. I agree completely.
  3. +11
    29 July 2013 06: 45
    Specifically, a man sat on anusha laughing
    1. +9
      29 July 2013 06: 57
      Most likely an open day in a mental hospital. I think that Israel will go into oblivion faster than the Caucasus, which is Russian for centuries.
    2. +22
      29 July 2013 07: 24
      Quote: Alexander Romanov
      specifically a man sat on anusha

      Hello Sasha, he sat down on Wahhabism and the great caliphate. A sort of "patriot" from someone else's doorway. The Ingush have always been famous for their excessive ambitions, but this one surpassed everyone. Where he is right so in this. "- What will be the fate of the Russians who still remain in the North Caucasus?
      - In Ingushetia and Chechnya there are almost none. And they are actively leaving Dagestan and Kabarda. "
      The article is not a minus or a plus, there is one positive point that enlightens the average citizen of Russia about what is swarming in the skulls of other lovers of lezgins in squares and weddings with a fire.
      1. +15
        29 July 2013 07: 52
        Quote: Tersky
        In Ingushetia and Chechnya, there are almost none. And they are actively leaving Dagestan and Kabarda. "The article is not a minus or a plus, there is one positive moment enlightens the average person in Russia about what is swarming in the skulls of other Lezginka lovers in squares and weddings with gunfire.

        - Greetings, Tersky. This is where it all starts. The minus article, a very unpleasant article, but there is one tiny grain of truth - this is about the growing abyss between Russians and Caucasians. Previously, Russians had a very positive attitude towards Lezginka on the playgrounds (remember the episode "Mimino", numerous weddings are also in my memory), now it is more difficult to find a less pleasant dance for Russians. Even in your post it sounds pretty clear. It's hard for me to imagine what kind of opportunity is there to stay together with such growing non-pollution? Here I am, I am strong, and I cannot imagine. Apart from direct military containment, there will be no leverage if the situation is not corrected. Perhaps I am dramatizing, because I have not been to Russia for a long time, perhaps this terrible dislike is only on the pages of the media, which, according to the main news of the last week (the birth of some offspring of some royal family), do not belong to Russia, I ask you to tell me your vision at least briefly - the question is very sick. If, with the help of Russia, the standard of living in the Caucasus is normalized, there will be cries of "feeding the Caucasus." If it is not normalized, it is even worse, the Caucasians themselves will begin separatism. There is no intelligible ethnic policy in the Russian authorities at all.
        1. +16
          29 July 2013 08: 34
          Aksakal, you are right, only the abyss is growing between the Caucasians and the rest of the peoples of Russia. The problems of the Caucasus are not resolved, there are attempts, but the result is minimal. I am worried that Ukraine and Belarus are unlikely to agree to reunion, until the Caucasian problem is resolved, they are now at least relatively safe. For me, Belarus is one hundred times more expensive than Chechnya, Ingushetia and Dagestan.
          1. +5
            29 July 2013 11: 03
            Quote: sergey32
            For me, Belarus is one hundred times more expensive than Chechnya, Ingushetia and Dagestan.


            all of it is possible and so, there is a big BUT ... then we will talk about the rejection of the Stavropol and Krasnodar territories, do you call for this? unwillingly / willingly, you are calling for Russia to leave the Caucasus and the republics loyal to Russia of S. and South Ossetia. This is betrayal
        2. +3
          29 July 2013 09: 54
          Quote: aksakal
          If the standard of living in the Caucasus is normalized with the help of Russia, there will be cries of "feeding the Caucasus."

          How does the standard of living in the Caucasus differ from the standard of living in Kostroma or Vologda?
          1. +11
            29 July 2013 11: 13
            Here I agree with you! That everyone rested on the Caucasus Caucasus, how people live in the outback is where the problems are! And this blood does not pour out for one simple reason, people there are not wild, unlike the highlanders, how many times they could cut the Caucasus to zero but no, they didn’t. and we don’t do it now, but what’s the answer? First you need to restore the Russian outback, and that will be the core and support of the country, and only then think about the problems of the Caucasus, will you excuse me, but what's the use of it like a goat's milk, oil? Duc and its full fruit vegetables? well, this goods and other parts of Russia in bulk, important strategic enterprises that pull the country forward and in Soviet times weren’t there. The question should be posed so that Russia does not give the Caucasus and what the Caucasus can give Russia .. Let's be honest we will live without the Caucasus all will be enough for migrants and refugees (I really do not like the state’s policy towards immigrants), but the Caucasus is vryatli, we’ll leave if NATO comes and why? there will be a massacre for decades, that's all .. There is no stability or prosperity, there will be constant heating in anti-Russian moods for energy output. and an unnecessary problem for Russia, only for this the West needs the Caucasus. So in the Caucasus they themselves should think about what they want. will there be a future with Russia if it doesn’t then perish in a massacre of many years .. (Look at any country where NATO came who painfully flourished? Iraq. Afghanistan, Libya ... right now they’ll finish Syria)
            1. +8
              29 July 2013 14: 35
              Quote: max702
              Let’s be honest, we’ll live without a Caucasus, there will be enough space for all of the migrants and refugees (I really don’t like the state’s policy towards immigrants),

              - Max, you are actually on a site where GEOPOLITICS is considered, among others. Let you express your opinion when you learn this materiel, find out why Russia needs the Caucasus and, in general, access to the Black Sea, for which Peter the Great "cut through" a window to Europe through the Baltic Sea with the blood of Russian soldiers, for General Ermolaev did the same but to the Black Sea? Why did they fight the British at a bloody cost in Sevastopol? Or Ukraine, when it was under the influence of pro-Western (and still) forces, is not an example for you? Why are such things cut through with blood? Certainly not so that in order to enter developed and good markets for mutually beneficial trade, the countries that overlaid Russia can so "overlay" Russia with "transit" ones that will not seem like little. So I live in Kazakhstan and really feel that there was a narrow corridor of "no man's" land to the Black Sea - how would many Kazakhstani issues be solved easier! And just like now - pay for the transit of oil either through Russia or along the bottom of the Caspian Sea through Azerbaijan. So this is half the trouble - and tomorrow will come insane instead of Putin - and completely block the transit? So, the war is out of the blue? This is already a matter of state security. You, in your post, deliberately, on emotions, only on the basis of DOMESTIC hostility towards Caucasians want to give up the conquests of your ancestors! Learn materiel, your ancestors did not give you such a right to give up what they shed blood for! And the reason is ridiculous - you hate to see a big-nosed face, ha-ha! That's my reason too! Look at yourself in the mirror before that. And think with your head, tea, not a girl to think of emotions! Reading is nauseous.
              1. +1
                29 July 2013 20: 43
                Quote: aksakal
                only on the basis of HOUSEHOLD hostility towards Caucasians do you want to abandon the conquests of your ancestors! Teach the materiel, your ancestors did not give such a right to refuse what they shed blood for!

                We will be worthy of our ancestors, our descendants will try to be worthy of us. Who wants to remember the forgotten and betrayed their grandfathers and fathers. (Yushchenko wanted, but it didn’t work out, to turn the whole country into Ivanov’s relatives who don’t remember, he didn’t want to be the son of a traitor; he wanted to be known as the son of an independence fighter probably.)
              2. +3
                29 July 2013 21: 27
                Oh how you turned! Emotions means, well, well, you yourself say Kazakhstan needs land for transit and they are either Russian or Azerbaijani, well, the Caucasus has a lot to do and it’s not Western and NATO, but mother Russia and what does it pay it for? there will be no Caucasus for Russia, only thanks to it there are still dozens of nationalities there, otherwise they would have slaughtered each other for a long time (although Russia can be blamed for this with some perverted imagination) the same Turks do not suffer from excessive liberalism and philanthropy, you refer to the blood that was shed there For centuries, Russia has been digging its own passages to markets and trade routes, but I didn’t argue, and then it was necessary, now the times have changed a bit. After the collapse of the union, Russia left the former republics with money and a Russian-speaking population, so what? someone began to live there better? Yeah, wait a minute! All in 10-15 years, how the plundering of the Soviet legacy ended in Russia for a piece of bread came (Kazakhstan was a lucky exception to your luck with the leader) Well, there will be no Caucasus, and what roads do we need there now? Other centuries in the courtyard there are other ways to solve these problems, Ukraine boggled with gas and, to hell, they built the northern stream, didn’t we play war with her for what? Why say the ancestral conquests both in Paris and in There were Berlin in Vienna and many other places, but no one shouts we will return Paris and Berlin, and the Caucasus is a constant headache for Russia with zero utility, but in the 18-19 centuries it would be possible to control the Caucasus only while there, and now? What for there to keep our guys and feed supposedly loyal to us people? Fence and traders from Russia with all business to drive to your beloved historical homeland, live as you like, do not climb to us, after 5-10 years we’ll crawl on our knees. We’re good, technically now it’s possible I’ll repeat not in the 19th century in the yard, but it’s cheaper by several orders of magnitude. (though for this we need the presence of steel eggs in the country's leadership) Now let's see the pros and cons of this, the first in Russia will be cleaner and calmer without shawarma and lezginka, you can live, the money goes in huge amounts the region can be much more useful to spend in Russia (again, the leadership needs something) And now the cons, we are losing the troubled territory with an unfriendly population, alas, those who wish to move to permanent residence are welcome but with certain conditions, and control over their implementation should be very tough (again, the problem is with the presence of something in the leadership) hypothetical paths to markets and so on, well, after 10 years everything will work out by itself either with us or they will die out. My opinion is that Russia does not need the Caucasus, but Russia to the Caucasus.
              3. Alexander P
                0
                31 July 2013 20: 17
                Quote: aksakal
                for General Ermolaev did the same, but to the Black Sea?


                You probably wanted to say General Ermolov

                General of Infantry, General of Artillery. General Ermolov was one of the most famous and popular people in Russia in the first half of the XNUMXth century. He achieved this fame by participating in three wars with Napoleon, by his activities in governing the Caucasus, by his statesmanship, by his independent and noble character. "You are a brother of arms, you are life for the regiments," the poet V. Zhukovsky wrote about Ermolov after Borodino. Alexander Griboyedov called the ruler of the Caucasus "the Sphinx of modern times". “I ask you to allow me to be your historian,” A. Pushkin addressed to Ermolov.
        3. Alexholzman
          +3
          29 July 2013 12: 39
          Quote: aksakal
          There is no clear national policy in the Russian authorities.

          Absolutely agree! There is no national policy only, not only in the Caucasus, but in Russia in general. This mess, as it began with the humpback, so that he died, continues to this day!
        4. Fedych
          +3
          29 July 2013 13: 52
          In this absence of a clear question and answer, the whole point. But he is not, not only in relation to the mountain Muslim peoples, taking into account their customs, faith, traditions, and characteristics of spiritual life. And so? - Is everything taken into account in relation to the imperial people, the Russians, their history, identity, faith, desires? A spiritually religious or ideological vacuum hangs over the entire post-Soviet space. Therefore, if we omit all the excesses of the article, as well as their vain and superficially denial refutation, then we can say Russian for Russians and from Russians - we will understand our history, customs, faith, goals, then others and we will understand and learn to respect and understand, and soberly, reasonably and offsetting and understand and agree, peacefully and joyfully. Is this beer hacking? from the streets of tavern patriots, let them remain behind them. Chatting there, and real politics and its understanding and work on the basis of this, things are different !. And it turns out that every second person in Russia is a genius, an oracle, and a righteous person, if they were put in the places of Yeltsin, Gorbachev and the like, they would have built and truncated the basurmans. Let’s leave this Emely bike with its place on the stove.
        5. +5
          29 July 2013 14: 52
          There is a way. To do this, remember why the Russians came to the Caucasus. We came there because we wanted to stop the gang raids on our farmers, the ruin of the outskirts and the populism. I had to go to Bukhara and censure the emir there, otherwise I couldn’t handle it. But why are we staying? And it’s very simple.
          We remained at the urgent request and tearful pleas of local residents. For which there was gangsterism, raids and humane theft, and most importantly - the wild, unrestricted mess of local kings who stood across the throat, preventing breathing, for many centuries. And the Russian Law - it was a bright, fierce hope of all the Caucasian peoples, how many there are. It turned out to be sufficient to appoint Russian officials, the Russian governor and not much and numerous Cossack formations to confirm the power of the State. Everything.
          The Russian official did not have a teip, was not in the local clan. He did not touch (and tried not to know at all) local showdowns and cases. He judged by the Law, demanding its execution. And for this position, firm, clear and unchanging, the Caucasian peoples were invariably and ardently grateful to Russia. Most of the peoples living there now would simply disappear without this ...
          For the Caucasus to become ours again, in order to find ardent patriots there again, all this must be returned. There is still only one thing to be done - to sentence to long terms of imprisonment with confiscation of property of all heads and persons close to them, so-called. "national diasporas" in our cities. Nothing else is needed to correct the situation "with Caucasians". Is it possible to drag the bald ghoul out of the mausoleum and shoot him for the terrible idea of ​​"national republics". How much grief and harm he brought, you reptile! Rivers of blood, destruction of the country ...
      2. +3
        29 July 2013 07: 54
        Hello Victor! Yes, let him sit on anything, in any case, he will yelp to death, but somewhere beyond the hill.
      3. +5
        29 July 2013 08: 36
        Quote: Tersky
        Ingush have always been famous for their excessive ambitions

        A good comment, Victor. Greetings. I minus the article, but there is something to think about.
        Quote: Tersky
        about what is swarming in the skull boxes of other lovers of lezgins in squares and weddings with shooting.
    3. +1
      29 July 2013 09: 22
      Quote: Alexander Romanov
      Specifically, a man sat on anusha

      Rather, in childhood, they dropped his head down wassat .
      1. +1
        29 July 2013 10: 31
        Quote: cosmos111
        dropped head down

        To the cries of Allahu Akbar laughing
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  4. vitek1233
    +3
    29 July 2013 06: 48
    this person is very mistaken and gives out wishful thinking
  5. +12
    29 July 2013 06: 49
    It was believed that the roof went from the three highest with foreign language.
    But in general - the simplest psychopathy of the "humiliated and insulted" with claims.
    Stupidly.
    Aggressively.
    Menacingly.
    Such "to wet in the toilet" should be in childhood.
    ...
    I must say, I thought that Caucasian intellectuals do not demonstrate such "caveman" revanchism.
    Wrong, see.
    1. +5
      29 July 2013 07: 27
      Quote: Igarr
      Such "to wet in the toilet" should be in childhood.

      Igor, hi ! He hid in someone else's toilet ..., in his own and would have been soaked ..
  6. +12
    29 July 2013 07: 03
    Hello all.
    Then the Ingush and Chechens hungry for revenge, those who were at home, and those who begin to arrive home from all over the world, will begin to establish their rules.

    I would like to quote lines from the book of tax police colonel, journalist Nikolai Ivanov, "Shoot in November", who spent 4 months in Chechen captivity. The excerpt I cited is the last page of the book, but I remembered about it thanks to these lines:
    And not for the sake of a red word said. Two months later, a phone call raised me in the middle of the night.

    - Hello, is this Colonel Ivanov?

    - Yes. Who am I talking to?

    - This is from Grozny. You do not recognize me?

    - Нет.

    A long pause - they decided whether to name a name. Really Senior?

    “You called me a Boxer in captivity.”

    Boxer?

    - I'm listening to.

    I could only listen because I did not know for what purpose the former jailer dialed my phone number. Alertness and interest - these are two feelings that, having interrupted a dream, now fought in me.

    Just the other day, a Decree of the President on awarding Raskhodchikov and Nisiforov with the Order of Courage was signed, and General Kolyvagin, Pyotr Ilyich Tsarakov and Sasha Schukin with the Medal of the Order for Merit to the Fatherland, II degree. The award sheets went for a long time, officials were surprised somewhere: “If they saved a dozen people ...” - “But they themselves have one life, and they risked their only life,” the tax police leadership argued.

    They proved, convinced. Spitting on the entire course of treatment, he raised a toast for them. And then the bell ...

    “I saw you on TV ...”

    Does he call me "you"?

    - But you both disappeared from the guard and did not say goodbye.

    - We took Grozny. Was injured.

    - Do you have any problems? - asked in the forehead. And frankly on "you."

    “Problems ...” he grinned sadly, and the interlocutor was silent for a long time.

    For some reason I didn’t want him to hang up, and hastily filled a pause:

    - Something happened?

    “No, what could happen?” In addition, they did not get what they wanted, for which they fought. Power was seized by those who stayed with you in Moscow and did not hold weapons in their hands. But they grew beards, arrived on the Mercier, and we ...

    Everything is clear: and they, the village boys, are again sent to the mouth of the rams.

    He seems to have guessed my mental continuation of the conversation. But he added:

    “But we cannot go to Russia; for you, we are terrorists.”

    There is a pause again. I feel that I’m not calling to cry in my waistcoat. Boxer is not one of those. Most of all I got nerves, but at the same time I was not a stupid performer, I tried to think ...

    “Why did I call you?” She continues to persistently call me “you.” - I heard that you spoke on TV, read your notes. The other day, I carefully reviewed the records that were taken from you. And I realized: you haven’t done anything bad to Chechnya. But we Chechens have hurt you and your family. I want to apologize.

    I wake up. Sat down. Turned on the light. The past pierced so painfully that I felt tears. But it was that pain, after which relief comes. After all, the Boxer might not have called ...

    - Thank. Thank you for calling.

    “And yet,” the Chechen added hastily now. “I didn’t get a dime for you.” I want you to know about this. And I’ll save your notes and try to somehow transfer. Goodbye.
  7. +5
    29 July 2013 07: 05
    I learned a little, damn bearded, here’s the lid and slipped!
  8. +3
    29 July 2013 07: 06
    "... more prosperous people who understand the situation well, for example, businessmen, are slowly transferring business from Russia abroad, buying up real estate - some in Europe, some in the UAE, some in Turkey, etc., in case they wait out." .. in fact, one gets the impression that there are no elites there, as in Russia itself, there are clans and others, but not the elite. And it is not necessary to drive the troops there too much, cut off funding, which is actually outside the republics ... but this is not done, then it is beneficial to someone.
    1. +3
      29 July 2013 07: 38
      Quote: Strashila
      in fact, it seems that there are no elites, as in Russia, there are clans and other, but not the elite

      Why should she take it there, the elite ... At one time, in order to stop inter-tepe feuds and somehow unite them, a representative of another nationality, the well-known Shamil, was invited to the "reign" ...
  9. +6
    29 July 2013 07: 07
    -My interlocutor is Ingush, three higher educations, historical, legal, foreign language, 35 years old.
    Woe from the mind.
    -convincing them not to resist the NATO base deployment as opposed to Russia.
    How you “convince” is seen in Syria.
    - a lot of them just sympathizing.
    "I'm sorry for the bird." And the worst thing is when there are a lot of indifferent.
    - And what did the Ossetians do to the Chechens? In the "Ingush blood" - this is understandable. But why in Chechen?
    And where did the Chechens not “light up”?
    - All Ossetia will share between the Ingush and the Georgians. Ingush - North, Georgians - South.
    URGENTLY required "lip-to-mouth" machine.
    Vasisualiy Lokhankin of our time.
    And in short, after leaving Russia, we get the Wahhabi version of Zimbabwe. These guys do not care about your patrimonial foundations - the Chechens (and not only) felt this. After some time, they themselves will call for help ...
    1. candy bar140105
      +8
      29 July 2013 10: 19
      Russia will not go anywhere. And believe me, the overwhelming majority of Caucasians do not want this. There are, of course, such "ideologists" as the "educated" Ingush who turn our peoples against each other, but thank God they bark from across the hill. During the war at 08,08, hundreds of volunteers from Dagestan, Chechnya, Kabardino-Balkaria arrived in South Ossetia. This speaks of solidarity and fraternal relations between these peoples. And all their neighbors do not like the Ingush, even the Chechens who are close to them hate them (I heard this not from a single Chechen ..) About the Ossetians and Kazakov, I am generally silent, here hatred of the Ingush is already at the subconscious level. And let them say thanks to the Russian army, which in 92 stopped the Ossetian fighters on the way to Nazran, otherwise the Ingush after their attack would have been really bad.
      PS then let’s place the Udugov’s vysers on the site so to speak to raise the spirit .... This is me to the Admins ..
  10. Valery Neonov
    +3
    29 July 2013 07: 11
    Quote: Igarr
    It was believed that the roof went from the top three with foreign language.

    hi Let me add: at 35 years old .... Sitting in a gamerope is probably easy for him to reason; I would like to ask the entogo "activist" - what would you be if it were not for Russia .. recourse
  11. +8
    29 July 2013 07: 16
    and the author Avrom Shmulevich (Nikitka) interviewed himself ..vrazhina

    http://avrom.livejournal.com/?style=mine
    1. +7
      29 July 2013 09: 53
      Quote: Gleb
      second Avrom Shmulevich (Nikitka) interviewed himself ..vrazhina

      vrazhin, what a vrazhin.
      Sledgehammer is the best weapon against all enemies.
  12. vladsolo56
    +2
    29 July 2013 07: 21
    Paranoid with three higher educations, it is not for nothing that intelligence never equated with a diploma. A person does not understand what he is talking about.
  13. +3
    29 July 2013 07: 23
    will begin to establish their order. They will catch officials and those who served them, all sorts of corrupt mullahs and muftis, take revenge on informers, traitors, share their property

    it turns out what are the basic needs of the fighters for the great independent Caucasus, to kill and rob.
  14. +3
    29 July 2013 07: 26
    "Chotky" patriot of his homeland. Sits in Europe, sadly speculates about what to do for Russia, indifferently speaks of thousands of lives doomed to death in the event of a conflict ... Is this tolerant Europe doing such people or is it just the roof?
    1. 0
      30 July 2013 04: 59
      Quote: Wedmak
      ... Does tolerant Europe make such people, or did the roof just go?

      Europe, has become a factory of such semi-finished products.
  15. +9
    29 July 2013 07: 32
    This "foreign Caucasian", without knowing it, gave all the arguments in the necessity of the presence of Russia in the Caucasus.
    • The historical claims of the peoples of the Caucasus to each other will intensify, but not at the level of bazookas and daggers, but at the level of plastids and ATGMs. But the civilian population will be hammered.
    • The combination of national and religious differences will create a "hellish" mixture in which the mass of the people will burn. It will not work to sit between opponents, it will be necessary to choose, but the choice between Kalashnikov and Kalashnikov does not inspire optimism, and this is simply death for small peoples.
    • After Russia's withdrawal from the Caucasus and the formation of the border, in the normal sense of the word, the Caucasian diaspora will be squeezed out of the plains. This is already primordially Russia and partisanism will be severely suppressed.
    • A banal question will arise: "Does Russia need businessmen from the Caucasus?" There are enough of their own thieves, and then there are newcomers with the opportunity to hide in "sovereign territory." By the way, the withdrawal of business from Russia has intensified after Makhachkala and the "builder of Sochi" and "advice advice" have not yet been forgotten.

    As a result, apart from geopolitical reasons, Russia has enough reasons to be present in the Caucasus, while Caucasians have enough reasons to want to stay. Another question: "Does Russia need the Caucasus in its current state?"
  16. Alexander borey
    +10
    29 July 2013 07: 36
    Russia is united and indivisible, this also applies to the Caucasus. "The Second Caucasian War is not so illusory, because, according to polls, more than half of Russians do not object to the secession of the Caucasus." - Such conversations must be stopped in the bud, this time. Secondly, this is complete nonsense, lies and provocation, the Russians are against the separation of the Caucasus, the words of several liberoids, allegedly speaking "on behalf of the people", but in fact - on behalf of the State Department that the Caucasus it is necessary to separate - it is not worth taking into account. If at least one region separates from Russia, the whole country will immediately fall down like a kingdom of cards. And how much Russian blood was shed in the Caucasus? This is Pandorra's Box. The article is a minus.
    PS Liberals, I appeal to you, the Caucasus has always been, is and will be an integral part of Russia, like all other regions, and do not dream of dismembering the country, nothing will come of it. So pass it on to your overseas owners.
  17. Valery Neonov
    +3
    29 July 2013 07: 39
    Quote: Wedmak
    Is this tolerant Europe doing such people, or just the roof went?

    Probably the roof went off because the geyropa is so tolerant laughing
  18. Wolverine67
    +13
    29 July 2013 07: 39
    ...... an entertaining article filled with purulent feces of hatred towards Russia. It is very noteworthy that the interviewee makes his statements while sitting in the prosperous West and tasting European values ​​and probably the social benefits of a "political refugee". Such people talk a lot and care about the fate of their people while staying away from them and preferably in Swiss resorts (a worthy student of V.I.Lenin). Unfortunately for the prophets of this kind, Russia will not be able to leave the Caucasus, even if it really wanted to, experience shows that the newly-minted Imaratov statesmen, having cooked in their porridge and starting to devour each other, quickly direct their predatory inclinations beyond the border of their "progenitor" state, for apart from how to rob and kill they do not know how. So Russia will have no choice but to return there again to rest the wild heads (preferably separately from the bodies, well, purely according to local customs). This has already been proven in practice during the existence of the so-called. Ichkeria. The Maskhadov-Basayev clique, instead of building a state, was only engaged in robbery of what it inherited from the Russian Federation, when everything that remained was divided and plundered, when they already began to "wet" each other, for the sake of survival Maskhadov released these spiders from the bank. And someone is trying to prove to us that they will be able to build something themselves, well, just not in this life. What kills me is the interviewee's cynicism about the rivers of blood spilled, because if the situation develops, according to the author's forecast, blood will not be spilled rivers but seas, and the Middle East, compared to our hot Caucasian guys, will seem like a resort. There are so many accusations that have accumulated against each other, again the laws of blood revenge, that they themselves will not disentangle this brewed porridge for a hundred years. That may well lead to a decrease in the population in these areas. And then the author's statements about Ossetia, in general, the delirium of a madman, Russia will never leave Ossetia, which has repeatedly proved that I have many Ossetian friends, including fighting friends, and I personally am always ready to help them and their native land in case of danger (he lived his life, gave birth to children, carved his house, what could be better than death in battle, shoulder to shoulder with a friend).
    ..... for some reason, our hot Caucasian guys think that Russians, if they do not shout about their toughness and do not wave a "dagger" at every trifle, then they are supposedly afraid. R-E-B-Y-T-A, the Russians beat silently, but to death, and then they will finish off just in case, so do not flatter yourself! You are not a gift either, but we are not "Yazrailites" either !!!
    ... well, you were not lucky with your neighbors, you would have common borders with the state of Israel, then I believe you would have taught the Arabs how to really fight in real RUSSIAN !!!!!!
  19. +12
    29 July 2013 07: 40
    Well, these are the intellectuals in the Caucasus. It is time to understand that Russia is surrounded by enemies, even the Jew Shmulevich sympathizes with the Wahhabis. Only dictatorship I.V. Stalin will save Russia, its people. No need for democratic snot and references to the 37th year. Politics should be sovereign, enemies should die. Russia is indivisible and it is time to curtail these autonomies. Zhirinovsky is only administrative division. The fact that the Russians for leaving the Caucasus is complete nonsense
  20. +2
    29 July 2013 07: 41
    had a smoke !?
  21. Alexanderlaskov
    +7
    29 July 2013 07: 43
    The Caucasus is part of Russia. We have already lost Ukraine, Belarus and other republics. Everywhere there are satisfied and dissatisfied. Russia has its own way.
  22. +3
    29 July 2013 07: 47
    Make the fool pray to God. Then the fool was forced to study, the uncle "learned" and began to hammer in nails with a microscope.
  23. GEO
    GEO
    +6
    29 July 2013 07: 52
    Why brought this garbage here ???
    1. essenger
      +5
      29 July 2013 13: 47
      Quote: GEO
      Why brought this garbage here ???

      If you want to receive only positive news, see VGTRK or Channel One. The problem should be discussed, not talk.
  24. +6
    29 July 2013 07: 56
    In the foreseeable future, the Caucasian peoples will never be able to come to an agreement among themselves and live peacefully, at least without Russia. There are too many intertwined private interests, too many unsubstantiated ambitions, too many territorial disputes among a huge multitude of peoples inhabiting the Caucasus, clanism and claims of clans to each other are too strong, which in the Caucasus are resolved only with blood and many different "too". And Russia will not let go of the Caucasus either, it didn’t do it in the dashing 90s, when practically all the factors necessary for secession gathered and those listed by the interviewees, it will not do it now. A variant in the style a la "Stalinist" is more likely, with the massive removal of the population somewhere in the Anadyr or Dudinka area and repressions against the activists.
  25. Wolverine67
    +6
    29 July 2013 08: 05
    Quote: GEO
    Why brought this garbage here ???


    ...... and so that we do not forget the face of the enemy and do not rest in peace! An article is needed, and showing that it’s not the time to rest on its laurels!
  26. +6
    29 July 2013 08: 12
    after all, according to polls, more than half of Russians do not object to the separation of the Caucasus.

    Where did the firewood come from? Who received this data and when? There are, of course, those who think that secession of the Caucasus will solve problems with people from the Caucasus, but for this, then all Caucasians must be deported from all over the country, which means creating an abscess there, cleaner than what was in the 90s In addition, all the scum from all over the world, financed by our "partners", will be drawn there. And whoever does not understand what will come of it all, then there is no doubt that such mental abilities are lacking. In addition, the Caucasus is a natural citadel. bare steppes. To give up the Caucasus is tantamount to taking off your pants and bending over, surrounded by a crowd of gay lovers.
    1. slvevg
      +4
      29 July 2013 09: 36
      To give up the Caucasus is tantamount to taking off his pants and bending over surrounded by crowds of non-traditional people.

      Well, you won’t say more precisely good
      For the separation of the Caucasus, ordinary people who are constantly at work and have an information vacuum, due to lack of time and desire to figure out what's what. And such an overwhelming majority. Therefore, in their understanding, the separation of the Caucasus is the solution to all problems now: dramatically and quickly, without bothering with what will happen after tomorrow. The media, where TV is of prime importance, are designed to control the opinion of such a crowd. thank the forum and books, I have the good fortune to read the opinions of thinking people and look at the WORLD with eyes already ajar. winked
  27. paul1969
    +5
    29 July 2013 08: 12
    in the USSR there was such a unit - the department of criminal investigation - but with a foreign nucleon and reassured such forever, now something this office was closed, but in vain ...
  28. 12061973
    +11
    29 July 2013 08: 13
    Shmulevich is a Jew, not an Ingush and does not give a forecast, but tells the Jewish plan. Nevertheless, the Jews aimed their Zionist view on Dagestan, apparently they want to restore the Khazar Khaganate ... it remains only to kill each other and cleanse the territory for them.
  29. 12061973
    +9
    29 July 2013 08: 15
    Shmulevich is a well-known liar of course, but with the policies that Russia is now pursuing in the Caucasus, he is not so far from the truth. Russians continue to leave the republics of the Caucasus in large numbers, there is no fight against corruption, nationalism is blooming, Caucasian young people who do not know how to behave in Russian regions, etc. etc. If we now conduct an honest survey among the Russian population, I am convinced that the vast majority will support the separation of the C. Caucasian republics from Russia, at least some of them. I missed the problem of Wahhabism. This infection has taken root too deeply and the way the state fights it does not bode well. Everything is like a wart being cut, but the root remains.
    1. tverskoi77
      +1
      29 July 2013 12: 34
      If we now conduct an honest survey among the Russian population, I am convinced that the vast majority will support the separation of the S. Caucasus republics from Russia

      - this is an absolute fact, many will still pray for the person or people who have decided to secede.
      But what’s interesting: if you look at the opinions of those who comment on this site, we see the opposite.
      1. 12061973
        +1
        29 July 2013 13: 59
        Quote: tverskoi77
        But here, what’s interesting: if you look at the opinion of those who comment on this site, we see the opposite

        they don’t live in the Caucasus. In Chechnya, a program is working to return Russian-speaking citizens to the republic, they give benefits, so if there are those who wish, you are welcome, but in reality they are already leaving Stavropol border settlements and mine-waters in Pyatigorsk are not calm. Recently, in the Stavropol Cossack village Avars because of the debt lowered.
        1. tverskoi77
          0
          29 July 2013 15: 51
          so they
          ...
          I absolutely agree with you.
          I will be honest, I hinted that some of the users of the resource adhere to a political line, and do not reflect their opinion or just a troll.
  30. +12
    29 July 2013 08: 25
    I read the first 2 paragraph, it became disgusting and threw it.
    They’ll stay with naked women, they will build huts and will go to the Russian cities like 200 years ago with raids, to get food and clothes.
    Because:
    Not in a larger sense, is there any industry or production.
    And so they sit on subsidies and subsidies.
    It will simply be a terrorist enclave, sponsored by the United States, to attack Russia from the south.
    But they will not be better off living for sure. If only at the expense of the blood of a Russian soldier.
    1. 12061973
      +8
      29 July 2013 08: 51
      Yes, 95% of Caucasians do not want to leave Russia, now at least some semblance of order. Well, free vinegar subsidies are sweet, but why Russia needs the Caucasus without Russians is another question.
    2. tverskoi77
      +3
      29 July 2013 12: 43
      For Avrom Shmulevich, the main task is to start a war in the Caucasus, ideally with the global participation of Russia with the united peoples of the Caucasus. And then go to the ashes.
  31. +7
    29 July 2013 08: 37
    While our bureaucrats are pulling the budget, such mushrooms bring a split into society when they are poisoned. When they are already afraid to speak in view of the inevitability of punishment. Where is this mushroom Dagir Khasavov who promised to fill Moscow with blood if we don’t live according to the Shmariat? Why didn’t they give him 9 grams of lead yet? But most of all enrage that our authorities will first bring the matter to a boil and then our 18-year-old soldiers should be blown away.
  32. Taurus
    +11
    29 July 2013 08: 40
    Another provocative nonsense with a photo of an uncle, seemingly with three entities, that is, by the definition of an intellectual who lives in a geyropa and who needs to know a dress code with a wildly untidy beard, in which, as you look, you can’t get rid of the idea that lice and fleas frolic in it and fuck, carrying a purely State Department stupid nonsense. If this grandfather were Russian, then probably in the corresponding photo, the Russian intellectual would be sitting in an earflaps and sweatshirt and, luring the crumpled white beloved, would broadcast the same thing. By the way, judging by the cap, this is quite possible just a Jew. Then everything becomes even clearer.
    1. +3
      29 July 2013 10: 36
      Quote: Taurus
      Another provocative nonsense

      No, judging by the article, DUTER it was just excellent, the eco-bearded man unfastened laughing
  33. Constantine
    +7
    29 July 2013 08: 52
    more than half of Russians do not mind the separation of the Caucasus.


    The author relied on the Levada Center? Any sane resident of Russia understands that the Caucasian question was created artificially, and the separation of any region from Russia will be immediately used by the West to divide it into separate components. sad

    And in general, for good, the article falls under the Criminal Code of the Russian Federation regarding separatism since The article clearly shows an attempt to introduce the necessary idea. fool

    Article minus. To the moderators is another question. Why are you skipping such articles? Do you really, during moderation, do not see what you are missing? Why do we need moderation if articles from unreliable resources, as well as articles of dubious purpose like this, get to the masses? sad
    1. +3
      29 July 2013 09: 02
      May sue the moderators for distributing extremist literature. am
      1. Constantine
        +3
        29 July 2013 09: 08
        Quote: nemec55
        May sue the moderators for distributing extremist literature.


        I suspect that only 1 moderator is involved in this. At least, when I raised the question about this in correspondence with one of the moderators, it was clear that he was not completely aware that there was a purposeful pumping up of the audience. That Moder, however, works mainly on the playground from the VO site.

        It is necessary for chief administrators to write. This subversive activity, in the long run, will not lead to good. Yesterday a tape, today a crystal-white tape APN (you just look at this resource itself), and tomorrow what? We will discuss Navalny / Naganov’s articles and their entire brethren? sad
        1. +5
          29 July 2013 09: 19
          I completely agree with you, it is necessary to control the moderators as they are people too and can be completely spoiled (with a dash)
          1. +3
            29 July 2013 10: 41
            Quote: nemec55
            it is necessary to control the mods as they are people too and can be completely spoiled (with a douche)

            That's right, moderators are such villains, everyone needs to be controlled and put controllers over moderators, otherwise you never know laughing
            1. Constantine
              +3
              29 July 2013 12: 40
              Alexander Romanov, question. Are you just moderators on articles and comments different, or do you have authority for all of the above? smile
              1. +2
                29 July 2013 14: 26
                Quote: Constantine
                You are only moderators on articles and comments are different,

                Moderators have no relation to articles at all; articles are moderated by admins hi
                1. Constantine
                  +2
                  29 July 2013 15: 18
                  Quote: Alexander Romanov
                  Moderators have no relation to articles at all; articles are moderated by admins


                  Thanks for the info. Then the situation is doubly strange hi
                  1. +1
                    29 July 2013 15: 20
                    Quote: Constantine
                    . Then the situation is doubly strange

                    Why it’s strange, they try to select articles with different perspectives on certain events and for different generations.
                    1. Constantine
                      +3
                      29 July 2013 15: 27
                      Quote: Alexander Romanov
                      Why it’s strange, they try to select articles with different perspectives on certain events and for different generations.


                      This article, as I already said, draws on the Criminal Code of the Russian Federation, and articles about the 400 billionth aircraft carrier, "pro-salipolymers", ambulances for millions of dollars, rockets for $ 1.250k each, etc., except for fierce disputes out of the blue, due to the unconfirmed information, they do not bring anything worthwhile. smile
                      1. Fedych
                        +2
                        29 July 2013 16: 49
                        Or maybe it’s a test for lice and the presence of the rest of the brain and the mind of some of us? - and why not! And then you look at the article, numerous comments on it and think, and the topic, the gibbers from an empty head pecking at her unmeasured. It’s what you think, it’s at least one of those quietly pecking at any rubbish, working somewhere, about something, at least once in their life, they thought, or how they want to muffle street mongrels on everyone passing by and that's all. And all this space is called Russia. Yes, the old woodman is still a lot of pains, and the people from the described by N.V. Gogol in Dead Souls, oh how unmeasured, live in them! - Russia's uncle from the same little pitriots.
                    2. +2
                      29 July 2013 16: 54
                      lives its own sediment on those who have a poor command of the situation and will lead to a distorted perception of it (especially since they have been doing this for decades and therefore the "soil" is fertile and has already given rise to professionally fanned conflicts), the journalist must understand this first of all. And for those who want to navigate in the panos of the "opposition" SMD, nothing prevents them from visiting. And so it turns out that a kind of patriotic VO is relaying hostile voices. But one of the reasons that patriotic people are registered here is that there are few such stuffing-panos that have filled everything and you can discuss what really excites and not sabach around these stuffing.
                    3. +2
                      29 July 2013 17: 05
                      Quote: Alexander Romanov
                      Why it’s strange, they try to select articles with different perspectives on certain events and for different generations.

                      This is not an article, but an information thrust and not the first, an analogy - if you throw a stone into the water, circles will go, and here, too, openly provocative, false "information" will put its sediment on those who do not have a good command of the situation and will lead to a distorted perception of it have been engaged for decades and therefore the "soil" is fertile and has already given rise to professionally fanned conflicts), the journalist must understand this first of all. And for those who want to navigate in the Panas of the "opposition" SMD, nothing prevents them from visiting. And so it turns out that a kind of patriotic VO is relaying hostile voices. But one of the reasons that patriotically-minded people are registered here is that there are few such stuffing-panas, which flooded everything and you can discuss what really excites and not dog around these stuffing.
                2. essenger
                  +6
                  29 July 2013 15: 23
                  Quote: Alexander Romanov
                  Moderators have no relation to articles at all; articles are moderated by admins

                  I would like to ask. What is the function of the moderators, in addition to deleting comments?
        2. +4
          29 July 2013 16: 00
          Quote: Constantine
          That Moder, however, works mainly on the playground from the VO site.

          Wow! laughing
          On the topic - at least they would indicate who posted the article here, or even sheer anonymism, the refuge of liberals. Here they are trying to fight our brains with impunity.
          1. Constantine
            +2
            29 July 2013 16: 15
            Quote: Ivan.
            Wow!
            On the topic - at least they would indicate who posted the article here, or even sheer anonymism, the refuge of liberals. Here they are trying to fight our brains with impunity.


            On political review) There, here and on warfiles - a common base and personal account, which leads to the idea of ​​a common policy of access rights, etc. smile
            1. +2
              29 July 2013 17: 12
              Quote: Constantine
              On political review

              You do not understand - "jerk off" laughing - you don’t write that specifically.
      2. +5
        29 July 2013 10: 38
        Quote: nemec55
        May sue the moderators

        Oh, another court threatens. Although what - let's meet, we’ll meet 200 grams each, everything is some kind of entertainment drinks laughing
  34. +10
    29 July 2013 09: 10
    During the Vietnam War, there was a joke among the US military.

    How to end the war in Vietnam? Very simple. Divide all Vietnamese into loyal and disloyal. Disloyal to shoot everyone. Put the loyal on ships and take them out to sea. And drown there. And asphalt the country and turn it into a parking lot.

    Still think - is it a joke?
    1. +4
      29 July 2013 11: 52
      Cynical but practical ...
  35. +6
    29 July 2013 09: 15
    I wonder when they give statistics on the attitude of Russians about the separation of the Caucasus, what kind of "Russians" did they interview? Russia does not get anything but "dancers" to feed the Caucasus, do they think the Americans will give them heaven on earth? military reserves, maybe the old Kalash will be given and show them the direction to the nearest Russian checkpoint, where all the "heroic warriors of the prophet" will most likely fall, and there will be no trips to the Bentley or dancing in the city center, but there will be a 7,62 bullet in the head and a dirty gutter for corpses. It seems in the 19th century there was such a people as the Circassians, and there was such a "light of democracy and the leader of the free world" as the British Empire, so the Circassians believed the assurances of its representatives that by arranging attacks on Russian settlements and killing unarmed people , they "will win for themselves independence and glory", it all ended with the almost complete disappearance of the Circassians as an ethnos. And in London they just shrugged their shoulders, it did not work out like that. elk, no big deal and swept the pawn off the table. Understand gentlemen "the faithful warriors of the prophet" for your foreign "friends" you are just cannon fodder they absolutely do not care about you and they will sweep away the high as a Circassian pawn from the table without batting an eye, do you need it?
  36. slvevg
    +5
    29 July 2013 09: 15
    And again the repetition of history - all the revolutionary cadres are forged in the West (I would not be surprised if in London). Highlanders will never build a secular state, and the standard of living, education, etc. for most of the population it will only be sleep in the short breaks between grazing flocks of sheep. The aggressiveness inherent in religion has already eaten into the structure of the DNA of these peoples, and Russia is the irritant to which the "soldiers of Allah" distract their attention. The rest of the ordinary working population, meanwhile, can live in peace. Russia will leave - there is a massacre inside, and endless wars with smaller neighbors. The sliding of the region into the Middle Ages, where a hammer would be general anesthesia ...
    1. Avenger711
      +1
      29 July 2013 09: 36
      Revolutionaries are just born not on the borders, where the weakness of the Empire leads to internal wars, or external aggression, but in a quiet outback, where you can safely sit and talk about "universal human values."
  37. +3
    29 July 2013 09: 20
    According to polls, more than half of Russians do not mind separating the Caucasus.


    Levada Center? in the furnace, article minus (-) Who gave the right to share the integrity of Russia.
  38. 12345
    +5
    29 July 2013 09: 21
    Russia is not able to restore order ...


    Jews are bored to sit in guano in their own Middle East, up to their brows, alone. Here, Mr. Shmulevich - and is trying his best to "sow the wind", urging to act exclusively by force "methods" a la Israel.
  39. +3
    29 July 2013 09: 24
    What is this disguised Ingush right by the way
  40. +5
    29 July 2013 09: 31
    The article is of course a minus. The author is a militant Zionofascist, the interviewee is an ethno-fascist. Both are two, two wings.
    But what is said takes place. You can resent and put up minuses as much as you like, but there is no one to stop the process. Russians become less and less. The fact that population decline is stopped is most likely self-deception. Firstly, it is pro-government statistics. Secondly, this was achieved through emigration and high fertility in the northern Caucasus.
    The policy of the authorities leads precisely to what the article says. If the policy of Russia in the Caucasus and the policy towards the Caucasians in Russia (and I believe that its power is not capable of changing it) is fundamentally changed, then the second Caucasian war and the separation of the Caucasus are inevitable (and this is, at best, in the worst capture of Russia by the Caucasus and the destruction of Russia as a sovereign state). This is a matter of time. The situation can be saved only in the event of the collapse of the United States or the collapse of the monarchies of the bay. That is, only due to external factors. Internal factors play against Russia.
    1. +5
      29 July 2013 09: 40
      The policy of the Russian authorities in relation to the Caucasus (and not only) comes down to one thing - cutting the dough. As Kadyrov said, "I don't know where the money comes from. Allah sends." I like how he calls Putin.

      For politics to change, you need to change power in the Kremlin. And this is today from the realm of utopia. Nobody has done measurements in the Moscow river for a long time. Aurora will not pass.

      By the way, as a non-Russian person living in the near abroad, I can say. It is not worth making friends with the Russia that is now. It's a pity. Yet I am "made in the USSR".
      1. 0
        29 July 2013 14: 16
        And what is the better power in Azerbaijan? Closer to the people? "You shouldn't be friends with Russia." Do you have any friends?
        1. +4
          29 July 2013 14: 23
          authorities have never said that it is not worth making friends with Russia. not one normal politician will say such a thing. but many are friends with us, starting from Belarus in Kazakhstan, etc. and the fact that many distance themselves from Russia, so you yourself are to blame
        2. +7
          29 July 2013 15: 53
          Power in Azerbaijan is no better. We're not comparing. And it turns out according to the principle "look at yourself."

          Nobody gets stuffed with friends. And this is bad. We lived together for 70 years, but now we don’t want to? But for some reason, our president goes to Moscow, and yours to Baku.

          The meaning of my phrase was that if there was a pro-Russian government in Russia, then I would be friends with such Russia. And why should I be friends with a pro-American? I'd rather be friends with the States (I personally do not want to). Is this the reason that the outskirts have broken away from Russia? I'm just saying my opinion. Do not like it - you can not give a damn and forget.

          Yes, just don't tell me that there is a nationally oriented government in Russia. In the last six months, something like that has been moving. But the ardent Russophobe Brzezinski once noticed with sarcasm. "Stop scaring us with Russia, ballistic missiles and Iskander. Nobody will drop atomic bombs on the cities where the children of the Russian elite study, where their money and property are. This tiger has already been tamed."

          Think about it. And how your Putin began to return money to Russia (by the way, absolutely correctly) so in the Parliament the epidemic of divorces swept. And it all started with the President himself.
      2. rereture
        -1
        29 July 2013 14: 56
        I once visited the Azerbaijani forum. Direct calls to hate Russians and Russia. Without hesitation in the expressions, Azerbaijanis call Russian animals not worthy of living.
        1. +7
          29 July 2013 15: 35
          in a family it’s not without a freak this time. secondly, if the society supported such calls, I don’t think that those Russians in the amount of about 150000 people would have remained in Azerbaijan (by the way, the largest Russian diaspora in the Caucasus). but what fools write on local forums doesn’t solve anything. if you want to see how they relate to Russians, buy a ticket to Baku and come))) welcome
          1. 0
            29 July 2013 15: 48
            Are you also hospitable to Armenians?
            1. +5
              29 July 2013 15: 59
              Not to everyone.

              I have a lot of Armenian friends. They are adequate people. I treat everyone well. I share people according to the principle: normal-abnormal. By nationality, I somehow do not care.
              1. +1
                29 July 2013 16: 05
                So you are from 40 years old?))
                1. +1
                  29 July 2013 16: 51
                  I'm old :-) A lot more than 40 :-)
            2. +5
              29 July 2013 16: 11
              consider that you are asking a question to the citizens of the USSR in 1941, how do they relate to citizens of the Third Reich)))
            3. smersh70
              +3
              29 July 2013 16: 12
              Quote: tilovaykrisa
              Are you also hospitable to Armenians?



              to ordinary people, of course !!!!!!!!!!! we have at least 30000 Armenians living .... and even one seat of parliament was given to Armenians in the Khankendin district .. the truth is because of the war there are no elections ... .we have problems with the leadership of Armenia ..... as occupying 20% ​​of the territory ...... that's all ..... hi
        2. +4
          29 July 2013 15: 58
          You, apparently, are not on those forums. Tell me on which one and I'll see who writes such things there. I’m not very often, but I’ve been to Azerbaijani forums. I have never read or heard such a thing. Check baku.ru or disput.az

          On the contrary, quite often Azerbaijanis want to be friends with Russia. But I can only repeat my opinion. Do not throw friends and they will be friends with you.

          PS I warn you in advance. On baku.ru you can find very harsh statements about Russia. But not from the Baku people. This is written by immigrants from Baku (Russians and Jews) who have long settled in the States. And there I communicate with them quite sharply. I have the same nickname there as here.
  41. Avenger711
    -2
    29 July 2013 09: 34
    Thank you, neighing. The departure was already in the 90s. And now everything is silent, otherwise we will crush the tanks. Don't be funny about local "elites", they are not there.
  42. Alexey Prikazchikov
    0
    29 July 2013 09: 36
    What kind of stupid nonsense is this, what the heck is the prophecy, the author goes to a psychiatrist for a long treatment with a lot of galloperidol.
  43. +5
    29 July 2013 09: 51
    The problem is that this ghoul on Caucasian sites finds understanding in the fragile minds of young mountaineers experiencing an inferiority complex!
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    2. 12061973
      +1
      29 July 2013 14: 08
      Quote: Djozz
      The problem is that this ghoul on Caucasian sites finds understanding in the fragile minds of young mountaineers experiencing an inferiority complex!

      and not only highlanders. Dmitry Sergeevich Sokolov. A young Moscow bastard deceived his mother by running away to the forest pederasts, and his family is looking for him with all his might, even turned on the program “Wait for me”, thinking that his son was gone. And while the girls from the VIDA are knocking down, looking for a freak, does he kill someone in the gang? That's right, our fellow citizens.
  44. Owl
    +7
    29 July 2013 09: 52
    This enemy, prepared for clever statements about the separation of the republics from Russia, it is not clear why and why the author of this material presents this anti-Russian agitation with explicit approval.
    1. Constantine
      +7
      29 July 2013 09: 54
      Quote: Eagle Owl
      This enemy, prepared for clever statements about the separation of the republics from Russia, it is not clear why and why the author of this material presents this anti-Russian agitation with explicit approval.


      And you open the source of the article and look at the general rhetoric. wink The article is taken from a resource that serves the interests of the West, as well as feed from their money. smile Hence the article is as follows)
  45. uhjpysq1
    -4
    29 July 2013 09: 53
    And then that is nonsense right away. because they think so. sleep and see how they expel the Russians. Well, for them we are invaders and infidels. I personally am for the separation of chocks. when they become independent it will be possible to calmly bomb them for real.
    1. +5
      29 July 2013 10: 00
      And what to do with the Stavropol Territory, this is where the expansion of the Caucasians with the approval of corrupt local authorities.
    2. +3
      29 July 2013 10: 23
      Quote: uhjpysq1
      when they become independent it will be possible to calmly bomb them for real.

      In this case, you will have to fight off the attacks of various "human rights activists", you will have to bomb the independent states.
      As long as they are within our common borders - all the showdowns are internal affairs and no London and Washington can get into them.
    3. Owl
      +9
      29 July 2013 11: 35
      You did not join the Caucasus, you did not defend it, and it is not for you to decide the question of the secession of the Caucasus.
  46. +4
    29 July 2013 10: 01
    My interlocutor is Ingush, three higher educations, historical, legal, foreign language, 35 years old - The presence of education does not guarantee the presence of mind ... And it’s nonsense that this is not at all a comrade here ...
    1. +2
      29 July 2013 11: 01
      Education and education. There is even a big difference. Diplomas are pieces of paper confirming that he was sitting at his desk. But knowledge and practice plus is already something. They say that they are intellectually developed. The article is definitely a HUGE MINUS. I would like to ask a question to administrators - do not you understand that such articles are worse than a solid mate on the forum? After all, forum participants, like the majority of the population, do not all correctly and meaningfully approach the assessment of the submitted data. And this is a minus ...
      1. 0
        29 July 2013 11: 08
        So I’m writing about that ... delusional delirium pretending to dream out of reality.
      2. +2
        29 July 2013 11: 14
        Diplomas - pieces of paper confirming that he was sitting at a desk
        - and this is not even a fact - sometimes just pieces of paper for denyuzhki
  47. +4
    29 July 2013 10: 17
    So there is historical experience. L.P. Beria did pretty good!
  48. +4
    29 July 2013 10: 18
    In the 80s, the majority of our citizens would also call an article about the program for the collapse of the USSR "delirium" And here, it seems, are theses from a specific program of action for the further dismemberment of Russia. I do not exclude that a ghoul with three higher ones is being prepared in the bowels of the Mossad or Mi-5 for the role of the future imam. You need to know the enemy by sight. Well, here's two more lit up. There would be more such articles!
  49. +7
    29 July 2013 10: 21
    Quote: paul1969
    in the USSR there was such a unit - the department of criminal investigation - but with a foreign nucleon and reassured such forever, now something this office was closed, but in vain ...


    At the disposal of the British newspaper The Daily Telegraph was a copy of the order of the FSB of Russia on the creation of special units to fight people who are wanted in Russia, but who left its borders. According to the publication, the document was signed by Mikhail Nechaev, who headed the FSB Counterintelligence Service at that time.
    The order is labeled "Secret. For official use. Do not copy". The order is about countering extremism. In particular, it refers to the search, identification and possible return to Russia of people accused of terrorism and committing "especially grave crimes against citizens of the Russian Federation or against the Russian state and government."

    According to the text of the order, by special order, agents are allowed, among other things, to eliminate targets on the territory of other countries (mention is made, in particular, of the neighboring countries and the European Union). The order also gives instructions for "intensive training" of units and individual agents "for work in Western Europe and the countries of the European Union."
    1. +1
      29 July 2013 11: 21
      This is logical. Do not break the laws of the country - retaliation is inevitable!
    2. +3
      29 July 2013 11: 50
      L.P. Beria had such a desk under the leadership of Sudoplatov, very effective!
    3. ded10041948
      +2
      29 July 2013 12: 01
      "Secret. For official use"
      What kind of news is this in secret office work? The admission form is 2,5? A link to The Daily Telegraph, so that the tail is not taken?
      1. +1
        29 July 2013 13: 54
        Quote: ded10041948
        What kind of news is this in secret office work?

        Yes, I'm interested too.
        1. +2
          29 July 2013 13: 59
          Paper will endure everything, like the Katyn "original documents" in the "Special folder"
  50. Luger
    +3
    29 July 2013 10: 22
    The fact that the person who supposedly gives the interview is not entirely in his mind is unambiguous, but he is right in that there is no intelligible policy, lack of a clear and consistent position of the state. power, can lead to bloodshed and undesirable consequences, with this I completely agree.
  51. soldier's grandson
    +1
    29 July 2013 10: 31
    and what about Stavropol? I heard that the Russians are actually fleeing from there slowly, the media are silent, and the Krasnodar residents say that they are fleeing
    1. +3
      29 July 2013 11: 57
      Yes, they are fleeing, especially from the south-eastern regions of Stavropol, in our Krasnodar Territory, last week Governor Tkachev demanded that security forces, city and village administrations categorically deal with illegal immigrants and illegally residing from the Caucasian republics. Right up to organizational conclusions!
  52. 128mgb
    +2
    29 July 2013 10: 40
    My interlocutor is Ingush, three higher educations, history, law, foreign language, 35 years old.
    I can’t believe that there is a man with three!!! higher education can be so narrow-minded. Or maybe he learned as in the joke: Where are you pushing the sheep onto the bus? Uh, dear, the ram is studying at my institute. And this is a gift to the rector.
    1. 0
      29 July 2013 11: 24
      Quote: 128mgb
      My interlocutor is Ingush, three higher educations, history, law, foreign language, 35 years old.
      I can’t believe that there is a man with three!!! higher education can be so narrow-minded. Or maybe he learned as in the joke: Where are you pushing the sheep onto the bus? Uh, dear, the ram is studying at my institute. And this is a gift to the rector.

      Most likely, this is a purposeful leak of information and testing the response in different sectors of society.
    2. +4
      29 July 2013 11: 28
      Quote: 128mgb
      My interlocutor is Ingush, three higher educations, history, law, foreign language, 35 years old.
      Avrom Shmulevich is a real Ingush laughing he even saw the Caucasus on TV. And if the Mari Deperdieu writes the same interview? We will also begin to vigorously discuss the topic of secession of the Mari?
  53. +2
    29 July 2013 10: 45
    The issue is extremely important for maintaining the integrity of our country. Instantly assessing an article as provocative will not solve the problem.
    The issue of secession of the Caucasus, or something else, is constantly raised by someone at a certain time.... By whom it is raised - this is the sphere of activity of the special services. They get money for this. As for time. In my opinion, such questions arise when, in the opinion of interested parties (and there certainly are), the power of Russia’s influence on the region is weakening. Is it a secret to anyone that the region is subsidized? That there remains great socio-economic tension in it? At a time when money difficulties arise in Russia (not among the oligarchs), such “ideas” appear. Perhaps “justifying” the exorbitant taxes that our leadership imposes on the Russian population.
  54. +2
    29 July 2013 10: 55
    Is there anyone from the Caucasus?
    1. +4
      29 July 2013 11: 10
      Quote: kapitan281271
      Is there anyone from the Caucasus?

      Eat. But first of all, I would really like to listen to representatives of the national republics of the North Caucasus on this matter, and I know there are some here...
  55. Druid
    +7
    29 July 2013 10: 56
    Much of the article is, to put it mildly, nonsense, but in general it is a retelling of reality, especially about the opinions of ordinary people and their expectations, the mentality in the Caucasus and in the Russian Federation is different, the attitude towards problems is also different. And it’s been a no brainer for a long time that if there are no changes in the Russian Federation in the next five years at most, then a lot of things will go to hell. This is the collapse of Russia as such and problems in satellite countries.
  56. lilit.193
    +2
    29 July 2013 11: 02
    Kolyma is crying for him under the article for extremism! am
    1. +1
      29 July 2013 17: 11
      Quote: lilit.193
      Kolyma is crying for him under the article for extremism!

      Nooo, there is a better time-tested method - an ICE PICK in the head, it helps a lot, as practice has shown soldier
      1. lilit.193
        +2
        30 July 2013 00: 27
        Quote: Raven1972
        Nooo, there is a better time-tested method - an ICE PICK in the head, it helps a lot, as practice has shown soldier

        There will be a lot of honor!
  57. +1
    29 July 2013 11: 06
    Did he buy three higher education degrees from Khattab in the forest? Interviews with militants are already being posted
  58. Yoke
    +4
    29 July 2013 11: 14
    I was recently in North Ossetia. Very beautiful nature, pleasant, decent people who, to put it mildly, do not like the Ingush. They told how during the first Chechen war the militants tried to capture Vladikavkaz - they cut out almost the entire suburb, the Ingush neighbors especially tried. They say that if you didn’t kill an Ossetian, then you are not Ingush.
    1. -1
      29 July 2013 12: 54
      By the way, as I heard among the Ossetians, it is also believed that “If you haven’t killed at least one Vainakh, you are not an Alan.” So without Russia there will be such a bank of rats that in ten years the survivors will crawl back on their own.
    2. OCD
      +3
      29 July 2013 13: 14
      Chechen militants did not even try to capture Vladikavkaz. The Ingush tried their best. And they teach their youth that if you didn’t kill an Ossetian, then you are not an Ingush.
  59. SvetoRus
    +5
    29 July 2013 11: 14
    After reading the article, I got the strong feeling that Shmuleyevich conducted the interview himself! The passage about three higher education degrees was invented to create the illusion of a conversation with an intelligent person. What Shmuleyevich considers himself to be, but is not!
  60. +13
    29 July 2013 11: 15
    Quote: Author Avrom Shmulevich
    - What can you say about the Cossacks?

    - The Cossacks are fake, this ryazhenoe scarecrow, which is still a little preserved in the Stavropol region and in the Kuban - and more than half of the impostors who do not have Cossack origin.

    Tell this to them - the soldiers of the Ermolovsky battalion, you stinking bastard!..
  61. awerkiev
    +5
    29 July 2013 11: 15
    Well, such nonsense! Remove this article from here, it’s disgusting to read
    ...
  62. +6
    29 July 2013 11: 34
    There is only one correct phrase in the article - "- Of course, in the Caucasus there is no military force capable of throwing out the Russian army boot, even with active support from the outside."

    WHO WOULD DOUBT THAT!!!!! He also performs with an impudent face. But not for long. Impudent people need to be taught...
  63. +15
    29 July 2013 11: 35
    I asked if there was anyone from the Caucasus, but they didn’t answer. I’m from Stavropol myself. The situation is really critical. There is no Federal power. The situation is simply tense to the limit. The generation that was born and raised during the war has grown up. This is completely inadequate. But many are really mistaken; the problem now is not with the Chechens (the kind of money that go there is that mostly Chechens are busy making money; they really have a taste of what war is and only complete scumbags want a repeat) but with people from Dagestan and Ingushetia. The authorities, especially the GDP, do not understand and do not know the Caucasus. Their supposed advisers on this issue, I mean advisers on the Caucasus issue, are, to put it mildly, incompetent. The biggest problem is the Caucasus has changed a lot. I will give one example of such a change. If earlier in the Caucasus it was taboo to violate other people's customs, they were respected, now, on the contrary, young people consider it special valor to behave, to put it mildly, defiantly at a party, and if they call things by their proper names, they simply mess around. This bearded man said many things close to the truth. Guys, I live in the Stavropol region and I say IF THE AUTHORITIES DO NOT DO ANYTHING, THE STAVROPOL REGION WILL BECOME A RUSSIAN KOSOVO. But one thing I laugh about from this article is that these guys, if Russia leaves, will be able to do something sensible here. As soon as the Russians leave and many smart people among the mountaineers understand this, the Caucasus will drown in blood. And no NATO members will come here; they have already stabilized Libya; Iraq and Avgan are carrying their bitches away. And if this idiot has three higher educations, he should understand this. Now, as for the Ossetians, let them try well; I know this people well (most of all the heroes of the USSR in percentage of those who fought) will crap. In general, guys, the problem is serious and needs to be solved competently. In the end, I want to say only one thing: I’m sure the Bolshoi Theater tour here can do more than a motorized rifle brigade.
    1. +5
      29 July 2013 11: 54
      Quote: kapitan281271
      I asked if there was anyone from the Caucasus but they didn’t answer

      How come they didn’t answer?.. belay See above, under your comment... wink

      I agree completely with what you wrote. On my own behalf, I will add that in order to begin to change the situation, you must first tighten the nuts and unscrew the so-called heads. "national elite" of the North Caucasus republics. It is she who to a large extent troubles the local peoples. Moreover, to no less an extent than those who are commonly called “Wahhabis”...
      1. -2
        29 July 2013 12: 34
        Department, by any chance, is it from the TV series "Law and Order"?
    2. 12061973
      0
      29 July 2013 14: 27
      [quote=kapitan281271]The biggest problem is that the Caucasus has changed a lot. I will give one example of such a change. If earlier in the Caucasus it was taboo to violate other people's customs, they were respected, but now, on the contrary, young people consider it special valor to behave, to put it mildly, provocatively when visiting. In Moscow, on July 27, during the month of Ramadan, a Dagestani man raped a schoolgirl, full paragraph. I don’t quite understand about the big theater and the motorized rifle brigade, if Dokku Umarov and his friends are given a subscription, they will stop blowing up or let them look at cultural gays.
  64. +3
    29 July 2013 11: 36
    Now there will be a lot of this kind of stuffing, well, they can’t cause trouble in Russia, time is passing, and the comfort under their ass is already heating up. Well, well, let's see who will experience destabilization faster.
  65. paul1969
    0
    29 July 2013 11: 39
    Quote: KilinY
    Quote: paul1969
    in the USSR there was such a unit - the department of criminal investigation - but with a foreign nucleon and reassured such forever, now something this office was closed, but in vain ...


    At the disposal of the British newspaper The Daily Telegraph was a copy of the order of the FSB of Russia on the creation of special units to fight people who are wanted in Russia, but who left its borders. According to the publication, the document was signed by Mikhail Nechaev, who headed the FSB Counterintelligence Service at that time.
    The order is labeled "Secret. For official use. Do not copy". The order is about countering extremism. In particular, it refers to the search, identification and possible return to Russia of people accused of terrorism and committing "especially grave crimes against citizens of the Russian Federation or against the Russian state and government."

    According to the text of the order, by special order, agents are allowed, among other things, to eliminate targets on the territory of other countries (mention is made, in particular, of the neighboring countries and the European Union). The order also gives instructions for "intensive training" of units and individual agents "for work in Western Europe and the countries of the European Union."
    1. -2
      29 July 2013 12: 36
      Is this by any chance a department from Law & Order?
  66. +2
    29 July 2013 11: 50
    for some reason this Ingush looks more like a Hasidic Jew.
    I gave the article a + for being informative - sometimes it’s useful to read the opinion “from the other side” in order to know the enemy by sight, so to speak.
    Well, regarding Russia’s withdrawal from the Caucasus: if in all of the listed republics mass armed uprisings against the “federals” begin, they will receive a “missile and bomb” response according to all the rules of the art of war. Well I guess so anyway
  67. +5
    29 July 2013 11: 54
    Then the Ingush and Chechens hungry for revenge, those who were at home, and those who begin to arrive home from all over the world, will begin to establish their rules.

    Yes, none of them will run home after separating from Russia. As the author said:
    - In my opinion, there will be no order at first!

    And more:
    Remember what happened in Chechnya after the Russians left - criminal chaos, kidnappings throughout the country and in Chechnya itself, civil war.

    What normal person would voluntarily leave from prosperous Moscow or from less prosperous Pugachev to take part in the civil war, after which it is not yet known how many will remain alive in the Caucasus. There are too many disagreements among the mountain peoples. If Russia leaves the Caucasus, even suppose voluntarily, then, based on the author’s words, this will not end well: first the Ingush will begin to slaughter the Ossetians, then those who had or were suspected of having connections with the Ossetians, then the Chechens who supported Ossetia, the Czechs will not remain in debt either, and so on Further.

    And also as the author says:
    They will catch officials and those who served them, all sorts of corrupt mullahs and muftis, take revenge on informers, traitors, and divide their property. There will be an attempt to create an Islamic state of the Caucasus Emirate, but nationalism will not be overcome. They will argue a little more about borders; half of the population will move outside their places of permanent residence, i.e. will become refugees, and will not want to return for a long time.

    This is how the author sees the “bright Caucasian future.”
  68. +3
    29 July 2013 11: 56
    Yes, filling him up does not solve the problem. Don't close your eyes to the problem, it exists. Russia is weak. The authorities do nothing. Solve the oil problem and we will repeat the path of the USSR. I live here and the border areas are already practically without a Russian-speaking population. There was one place where the guys from the republics behaved appropriately. This is the Inozemtsevo station because the people became impoverished, they introduced patrols, it was easy to leave the car on the street at night even did not close it. Now the authorities were afraid of this and the leaders of this initiative were expelled from all positions. The Cossack hundred on the basis of which everything was formed was excluded from the register. People went on a hunger strike; someone heard about it in the media. And he’s right about the Cossacks. Because they don’t accept real Cossacks, and from the rest they have made something like the Komsomol, the party will say that the Komsomol must answer, yes. DO NOT CONSOLVE YOURSELF WITH URAPATRIOTISM.
  69. oldok
    +2
    29 July 2013 11: 57
    The article expresses the personal opinion of the author and his interlocutor, who has as many as 3 higher educations. The only thing correctly said is the lack of a competent, coordinated policy in the Caucasus, the reluctance to see the problems of the population (especially the Russian-speaking population), the constant flirting with local “kings” in exchange for a temporary (and unstable) truce in interethnic relations among those living in this explosive region.
  70. ded10041948
    +3
    29 July 2013 12: 10
    In! Local spill Bin Laden has appeared! Come in, “dear”, I just cleaned the butt plate! All the notches on the face will be imprinted. Look, enlightenment will come in stoned brains (although I highly doubt it!), if I don’t knock him out on the spot.
    Article - minus!
    Admins, moderators, did you fall asleep there? What the hell are nationalism and extremist propaganda doing on the site?
  71. +1
    29 July 2013 12: 16
    WHAT will happen when RUSSIA leaves??? A breeding ground for terrorism and lawlessness.
  72. Bashkaus
    +3
    29 July 2013 12: 30
    Hmm... I will be very disappointed in the Russian special services if tomorrow the news does not talk about an accident, like a real Caucasian in the prime of life with three higher educations living in Western Europe! I accidentally stabbed myself to death with a skewer while putting a kebab on it.
  73. +2
    29 July 2013 12: 32
    We must pretend that they were given freedom, all at once. Wait until they cut each other out, and then, under the guise of restoring order, return everything to its original place.
  74. +4
    29 July 2013 12: 33
    Actually, it’s not clear what such an article does on the site. this is a call for the collapse of Russia. They are again hinting at a war with the Caucasus. Did this bearded man accidentally fall out of his chair? Are two Chechen companies and a sea of ​​spilled blood not enough for him? You need to work on this bug, not an interview, brother
    1. +1
      29 July 2013 13: 36
      Thank God that there are still people from the Caucasus who understand this.
      1. +4
        29 July 2013 14: 49
        We don’t need the collapse of Russia. Think about it, why do we need problems on the northern borders? Now we live as neighbors as normal as possible. If you separate the Caucasus from Russia, something like this will begin, Mom, don’t worry. Almost everyone there is at enmity with each other!! some openly, some quietly!! Plus add this rabble of bearded men here!! why do we need this?
  75. +4
    29 July 2013 12: 38
    Is this by any chance not the little lawyer who last year declared in the central media that he would flood Russia with blood and after this interview quickly fled to the West? Of course, it’s hard to expect a favorable attitude towards Russia from the author of an article with the surname Shmulevich. That’s why he dug up this nit somewhere .No matter how they position “Ingush, three higher educations, historical, legal, foreign language, 35 years old,” one phrase said in an interview “to take revenge on informers, traitors,” speaks of his rotten Wahhabi gut. Only the Akhmadov brothers, and others bandit leaders in Chechnya wrote on their leaflets “You will die informers,” considering this a terrible insult. They are swampy. It’s a pity I didn’t catch this literate person with three higher educations at one time, I would have explained to him simple arithmetic at the primary school level and higher education is not would be required.
  76. +4
    29 July 2013 12: 40
    The Caucasus will not be united in terms of one state, the Emirate will not work, but there will be a good basis for unity. The biggest problem, I think, will be to bring all armed groups under one command and convince them not to resist the establishment of NATO bases in opposition to Russia.

    It seems that he voiced the US program of action in northern Kakaz.
    It’s immediately obvious that the “comrade” was trained in Saudi Arabia. Well, it’s like Navalny in the Ingush version. The article is provocative.
  77. Legioner_YU
    +1
    29 July 2013 12: 47
    via translit

    Hmm... Apparently he has grass in his diet every day.
    Sometimes you wonder if Darwin was right...
    1. OCD
      +2
      29 July 2013 13: 41
      There is such a breed - Banderlog. Apparently Charles Darwin was right after all.
  78. +2
    29 July 2013 12: 54
    A ghost is haunting Europe - the ghost of the Emirate.
  79. survivor
    +1
    29 July 2013 12: 56
    article, complete shit. Sorry, but I have no further comment on her!
  80. frunzik
    +2
    29 July 2013 13: 04
    findings:
    1 united emrat of the Caucasus - not to be
    2 Ossetians - the foundation of Russia’s presence in Sevkava
    3 Russian nationalists advocating the secession of the Caucasus are playing on the same platform with the enemies of Russia
    4 Behind the separatism in Sevkava, the ears of our sworn “friends” from NATO stick out
    5 weakness of politicians = collapse of Russia
    1. +2
      29 July 2013 13: 34
      The foundation of Russia's presence in the North Caucasus should be Russian citizens, not Ossetians. The foundation should be Russian policy. If you bet on only one, nothing will work out.
    2. +1
      29 July 2013 13: 56
      People, let Ramzan Kadyrov read.)) let him laugh. True, after this we probably won’t hear from this Ingush European.
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  82. soldier's grandson
    +1
    29 July 2013 13: 11
    Quote: Gari
    Quote: seller trucks
    I recently finished Sergei Kozlov's book "Special Forces of the GRU: 50 Years of History, 20 Years of Wars" He tells interesting facts: when Dagestan in the late 90s was attacked several times by militants of Khattab and Basayev, local residents came to supply our units with food. , persuaded to accept food, and even in large villages self-defense units were organized, blocked the roads by organizing checkpoints.

    The head of Ingushetia, Yunus-bek Bamatgireevich Evkurov, is a Russian military and statesman.
    From 1982 to 1984, he served in the Marine Corps of the Pacific Fleet [2].
    At the end of the service, he was recommended for exams at the Ryazan Higher Airborne Command School. Evkurov entered this school and graduated in 1989. He began his service in the reconnaissance of the 350th Guards Parachute Regiment in Belarus, in Borovukha 1.
    In 1997 he graduated from the Military Academy named after M.V. Frunze.
    He served in command positions in the Airborne Forces. He took part in counter-terrorism operations in the North Caucasus. In particular, a detachment of Lieutenant Colonel Yevkurov, performing one of the reconnaissance tasks, discovered and rescued 12 Russian servicemen from Chechen captivity, the chief of staff of the 217th Guards Parachute Regiment of the 98th Guards Svirskaya Red Banner Order of Kutuzov of the 2nd Airborne Descent divisions personally took part in this military operation.
    In June 1999, Yevkurov was in the Serb-Bosnian city of Uglevik (Serb. Ugљevik) as part of the Russian contingent in Bosnia and Herzegovina under the auspices of SFOR.
    In an interview with the President of the Republic of Ingushetia, Yunus-bek Yevkurov (at the time the major events were highlighted), it became known that since the end of May 1999, a group of 18 GRU fighters secretly penetrated the territory of the Slatina airport and actually controlled it until the landing battalion approached. All the circumstances of this operation are still classified.
    On April 13, 2000, Yunus-bek Yevkurov was awarded the title of Hero of the Russian Federation with the award of the Golden Star medal. According to Yevkurov - for throwing Russian paratroopers on Pristina.
    In 2004 he graduated from the Academy of the General Staff.
    Since 2004 - Guard Colonel, Deputy Head of the Intelligence Directorate of the Volga-Ural Military District (Yekaterinburg).

    a real Soviet officer, we still have them like that
  83. soldier's grandson
    0
    29 July 2013 13: 15
    the interview hints more that the Caucasus could become a second Syria
    1. 12345
      -3
      29 July 2013 13: 32
      Quote: Soldier's grandson
      The interview hints more...


      Another "shmulevich".
  84. +3
    29 July 2013 13: 18
    Complete nonsense and provocation! I could, of course, be wrong, but I have many friends from the Caucasus who periodically travel and fly to their historical homeland, and after their trips they have the most positive impressions! They say that there has not been such order and stability in the republics for several decades, there is, of course, still room for improvement, room for development, but the republics do not stand still! Of course, there are gangster groups that are fighting to destabilize the republics, this benefits them, they have their own business (drugs and banditry). In addition, America is trying in every possible way to destabilize the situation, periodically financing all sorts of bandits! But I think we should stick together, together we are stronger!
    1. essenger
      +5
      29 July 2013 13: 41
      Quote: MREDBEST
      but I have many friends from the Caucasus who periodically travel and fly to their historical homeland

      I hope you meant Armenians, Georgians or Azerbaijanis. If you are talking about other Caucasians (Chechens, Ingush, Dagestanis, etc.), then you have already separated them on a subconscious level. Calling these regions the “historical homeland.” They have no historical homeland. One homeland is Russia. And these regions are exactly the same as others.
      1. +1
        29 July 2013 21: 48
        and the problem is that, when part of the Russian population speaks about the historical homeland of the peoples of the North Caucasus, they are already grist for the mill of such bearded types as this would-be political scientist. These North Caucasians are your citizens, and their homeland is Russia
  85. +1
    29 July 2013 13: 25
    The article is, of course, nonsense... And yet, guys, read it so that it doesn’t turn out like in 1 Chechen war again... All these “fantasies” may well turn into reality and we must be prepared!
  86. +2
    29 July 2013 13: 31
    I’m embarrassed to ask, but is Shmulevich a real surname or a pseudonym? (in any case - explains a lot...)
  87. 0
    29 July 2013 13: 31
    The article is complete nonsense!!!!! You should have interviewed Zavgaev. Wisdom and education are not the same thing. So his higher education does not mean anything, it is not yet clear whether this wise@k graduated from some university. Stalin, after the theological seminary, created such a state that before We are still eating the fruits of that power
  88. OCD
    +2
    29 July 2013 13: 36
    Diagnosis: Manic-depressive psychosis complicated by schizophrenia and a twilight state of mind, with hyperfantasy.
    Where did this stupid man get his 3 educations? These universities should be submitted for re-certification if they are able to graduate from them.
  89. +4
    29 July 2013 13: 36
    True, one Ingush is similar, and the other is the author of the article Abraham Shmulevich
    Rabbi, political scientist, president of the Eastern Partnership Institute, which deals with problems of interethnic relations, pre-crisis monitoring and prevention of terrorism, in particular in the North Caucasus. Lives in Hebron (Israel) Specialist, so to speak, in the North Caucasus. The North Caucasus is the territory of the once Khazar Kaganate, where first the ruling elite adopted Judaism, and then the rest. There are still some teips among the Chechens and Ingush that secretly profess Judaism. It’s no secret that the ruling Salafi regimes, including Saudi Arabia, are collaborating with America and Israel, we see this in the “Arab Spring”. Just as the Jewish elite once brought the Nazis to power in Germany, so now they support Islamic fundamentalists to achieve their global goals domination. And it is not surprising that the Shmulevichs write such articles.
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  91. +4
    29 July 2013 14: 02
    It would be better if the author graduated from 3 vocational schools, maybe he would make a good electric welder, although he would burn his beard 100 pounds
  92. +3
    29 July 2013 14: 23
    I suggest this bearded man gather his Ingush friends and attack Ossetia and then look at the result. I am sure that they will run further than their Magas. Ossetians are not whipping boys, but stern warriors, especially since the southern Ossetian brothers have rich combat experience and will not sit on the sidelines, they will come and take an active part, so it is not harmful to dream, especially while sitting in a cozy foreign country. Apparently they forgot the year 92, oh, how they forgot that then they also went crazy, attacked the Prigorodny district, killed people there, and then fled like mongrels, and if it weren’t for the Russian army they would be living in the mountains right now, afraid to go down to the lowlands.
    1. 0
      29 July 2013 21: 54
      Well, we saw the South Ossetians in action, and we saw how Colonel Barankevich defended Tskhinvali when the commander-in-chief of Kokoit disappeared. After the events, Barankevich accused him of cowardice, for which he was immediately removed from there. If it weren’t for the Russian troops, no one knows what would have happened to the Ossetians. Let’s think objectively. if they could give selection to the Georgians, then the Russian troops would not have to rush to their aid. Respect at least the fallen soldiers and officers who saved the population of the region
      1. Alexholzman
        +4
        29 July 2013 22: 04
        Quote: lonely
        Well, we saw the South Ossetians in action, and we saw how Colonel Barankevich defended Tskhinvali when the commander-in-chief of Kokoit disappeared

        Don’t judge the southerners by Kokoev alone - they helped a lot in 92 during the Ingush aggression. few people know, but then Ossetia (northern) spent a whole week fighting off the heavily armed Ingush, who had prepared in advance, as best they could. they had machine guns and armored personnel carriers (thanks to the bastard Grachev). And the Ossetians mainly have hunting weapons.
        So the southerners came and helped a lot, and after the war with Georgia they had appropriate weapons!
      2. +2
        30 July 2013 16: 29
        And Barankevich, what was he defending there? Like Rambo! I’ll disappoint you, but Ossetia does not end with Kokoity, and before the arrival of Russian troops, local militias held back the Georgian advance as best they could, at least until the main forces arrived, they were able to hold the city, by the way, here there are interviews with participants in those events and this is indicated there. And even before the events of 080808, South Ossetia held off attacks in 1992 and subsequent years without Russian participation.
    2. Alexholzman
      +2
      29 July 2013 22: 13
      That's right, they can only shoot in the back with a crooked gun from around the corner, and in a crowd they can buy someone or steal someone.
      Do you remember how in the old joke: “Issa, why are you shooting at the moon?” - “Yes, the damned one, it doesn’t warm you up and doesn’t let you steal!”
  93. Gamzat
    +15
    29 July 2013 14: 29
    I read the interview with the Ingush, my nerves couldn’t stand it. I’m a Dagestani, I’m 43 years old. His opinion about the situation in the Caucasus is the opinion of a person divorced from reality. At the moment, not a single republic of the North Caucasus (in the event of separation from Russia) is able to provide for a normal existence. Anyone who has traveled around our region has seen that most fertile lands were sold for the construction of houses, shops, all kinds of workshops, warehouses, etc. Agriculture in the Caucasus is a garden plot near your home. Mechanical engineering has long died, tourists are your friends and acquaintances, for whose safety you are responsible with your head. All talk about the secession of the Caucasus is a PROVOCATION!!!. The Caucasians themselves will suffer first of all from this. Regarding religious extremism, I will say that there is none. There is elementary banditry under the guise of religion. And all these explosions, murders of police officers and unwanted religious figures are just a cover to distract the people from corruption and theft of officials both in the Caucasus and Moscow. Grants to the Caucasian republics are also beneficial to corrupt bureaucrats from the capital, because . they themselves warm their hands on kickbacks. Not a single high-ranking official in Dagestan or Ingushetia will put his hand into the treasury without the tacit consent of the roof in Moscow. I would like to appeal to all readers. Russia is a big boat in which we sail. And if there is a storm, then everyone will be rocked. Russia has had enough of storms, we have had our fill. I just want to live and raise children. I hope BROTHER INGUSH wants the same.
  94. +5
    29 July 2013 14: 31
    you see that the author is the same Ingush as Napoleon Papuan
  95. frunzik
    +2
    29 July 2013 14: 38
    Quote: lonely
    The foundation of Russia's presence in the North Caucasus should be Russian citizens, not Ossetians. The foundation should be Russian policy. If you bet on only one, nothing will work out.
    This is the conclusion from the article. That is, the thought that runs like a red thread throughout the entire article.
    Counterargument - parry:
    Why is it that sunny Azerbaijan relies only on the Turks? Why does the policy of official Baku serve to intensify the assimilation of the northern and southern regions of Azerbaijan, including through rabid Armenophobic hysteria?
    1. smersh70
      +2
      29 July 2013 15: 21
      Quote: frunzik
      This is the conclusion from the article. That is, the thought that runs like a red thread throughout the entire article. Counter-argument: Why is sunny Azerbaijan relying only on the Turks?



      firstly, learn how to write comments)))) and secondly, there is a good Russian proverb - we see a speck in someone else's eye, but we don't notice a log in our own eye fellow
      let's not compare our countries.....you have created a mono-ethnic republic with a predominant Armenian population....unlike you, we have representatives of many nationalities and the percentage of national minorities is about 30%.... Deputies of many nationalities are represented in the Milli Majlis......unlike you.....and about 30000 Armenians live hi
    2. +1
      29 July 2013 16: 44
      Sorry, Frunzik. I didn't notice it right away.

      First of all, a big greeting to you from sunny Azerbaijan. And secondly, what is hello - that is the answer.

      But seriously, you are wrong. We can discuss it calmly. But it seems to me that the topic here is about Russia, and not about the South Caucasus.
  96. frunzik
    -1
    29 July 2013 14: 39
    Quote: lonely
    The foundation of Russia's presence in the North Caucasus should be Russian citizens, not Ossetians. The foundation should be Russian policy. If you bet on only one, nothing will work out.
    This is the conclusion from the article. That is, the thought that runs like a red thread throughout the entire article.
    Counterargument - parry:
    Why is it that sunny Azerbaijan relies only on the Turks? Why does the policy of official Baku serve to intensify the assimilation of the northern and southern regions of Azerbaijan, including through rabid Armenophobic hysteria?
  97. frunzik
    -1
    29 July 2013 14: 40
    Quote: lonely
    The foundation of Russia's presence in the North Caucasus should be Russian citizens, not Ossetians. The foundation should be Russian policy. If you bet on only one, nothing will work out.
    This is the conclusion from the article. That is, the thought that runs like a red thread throughout the entire article.
    Counterargument - parry:
    Why is it that sunny Azerbaijan relies only on the Turks? Why does the policy of official Baku serve to intensify the assimilation of the northern and southern regions of Azerbaijan, including through rabid Armenophobic hysteria?
  98. +10
    29 July 2013 14: 45
    They mainly discuss the author of the article, less about its content.
    But there are questions that have no answer.
    1) What can and should be done to reduce unemployment in the North Caucasus? If anything, its level is 6 times higher than the Russian average.
    2) Do the people there have any desire to work at all? If anything, given the unemployment rate there, there are no Chechens visible at construction sites in Central Russia, or at any other jobs. Tajiks are visible, but Chechens are not. Although unemployment there, even according to official data, is more than 30%. The complete impression is that they simply do not want to work.
    3) Tension is growing between the indigenous population of Russian regions and people from the North Caucasus. It is impossible not to see this. What's the point of hiding your head in the sand, pretending that everything is fine? Kondopoga and Pugachev are unlikely to be the last incidents.
    4) What joy is it for Russia that it “kept Chechnya and Dagestan” if almost all Russians left there? Is this a “victory over terrorism and separatism”? This is a defeat, and a complete one. They sought to oust the Russians from the Caucasus, and practically achieved this (Stavropol region is next). And here would-be patriots rejoice that Chechnya and Dagestan remain formally within Russia. What's the point? In Dagestan there are now 3,5% Russians, in Chechnya 1,9%, in Ingushetia 0,8%. Russia without Russians is the dream of its enemies.
    And I don’t see an answer to these questions. Nobody even wants to discuss them. It seems like adults are on the forum (or not?), but more comments about the author’s last name or beard. The majority unanimously pretend that no problem in the Caucasus exists. And for some reason they consider their stupid blindness to be patriotism.
    1. soldier's grandson
      0
      29 July 2013 15: 32
      clear answer .+
    2. +5
      29 July 2013 15: 42
      There is simply no solution to these problems, or rather, they exist, but no one will agree to them, we don’t have Stalin now.
    3. 0
      7 August 2013 17: 53
      Considering that these territories were mostly settled by Russians, and Russians built cities, and the local peoples were known only as gangs... Every year more and more territory is taken away from us, and they are taken away without wars!

      Soon the Chinese and the Japanese will share the Far East; in fact, there are more Chinese there than there are damn Russians. They even settled in Chukotka in large numbers for Chukotka... I know because I was born there and lived almost my entire life.

      PS. Regarding point 2, it depends on what is considered work...
      PPP. And also about causing confusion, splits and other things. Why is there such confidence that it is these devils who are causing the split? Is he out of nowhere, and Caucasians have always been kind and fluffy whites? These mongrels only tease, warming up in the right direction, the reasons have been known for a long time. And the common people no longer really need such heaters; the majority have already formed an opinion long ago.
  99. +9
    29 July 2013 14: 49
    You can agree with some points in the article.
    It is a fact that the gap between Caucasians and Russians is growing larger. For the average person, independent Azerbaijan is the same as the republics of the Caucasus. This is abroad, not our own.
    The fact that Russia will collapse, well, anything is possible, considering that under the USSR everything was stronger, but fell apart, BUT do not forget that Tsarist Russia collapsed, but the USSR appeared with the same lands and with greater power, and this may come back. History not predictable.
    The Ossetians will be liquidated and he is disingenuous here that the civilian population will not be touched yet.
    Dagestan..its very existence rests on the RUSSIA factor!! And no Islamic brotherhood will help, nationalism is too high, quarrels will begin for Khasavyurt with Kumyks and Chechens against the Avars, and so on throughout Dagestan, Baku and Istanbul will already get involved here, because under under public pressure they will be forced to help the Turks of the Caucasus, and they have traditionally had good relations with the Chechens.
    What the author says so easily will be decided among themselves, etc. is nonsense. There will be a bloody mess of everyone with everyone.
    What is certain at the moment is that neither the Caucasus feels part of the Russian Federation, nor the residents of Russia the Caucasus as part of themselves (I’m talking about the bulk)
    1. +6
      29 July 2013 16: 33
      Is it really YERAZ? :-)

      Everything is much worse and more complicated. Russia cannot leave the Caucasus. This simply shouldn't even be a topic of discussion. Even such a Westerner as Klyuchevsky wrote that the natural border of Russia runs along the Caucasus ridge. Since then, in addition to geography, economics, transport, and military issues have been added. Russia's withdrawal from the Caucasus will have the most dire consequences for Azerbaijan. Again, my personal opinion.

      As an ordinary person, I am very upset that we are all now in a deep... depression. But... “what could be more unproductive in politics than resentment”? A good book by a smart author. At one time I often re-read K. Myalo’s “Russia and the Last Wars of the 20th Century.” Read what Russia did in the 90s. She sold and betrayed all her allies. She betrayed the Abkhazians and put Shevardnadze on the throne (for me personally this was a revelation). I saw what was happening in Azerbaijan with my own eyes. One of the few republics that did not want to leave the USSR. That's what they forced us to do.

      The author of the article (or interview) we are discussing is, of course, a stubborn Russophobe. Finished. This can only be straightened out in the grave. Personally, I won't cry.
      1. 0
        29 July 2013 19: 28
        Quote: Bakht
        Is it really YERAZ? :-)

        A real native of Gokchi, I haven’t been there myself, I’m a St. Petersburger)) There are also teachers from St. Petersburg here, there was a deputy and even a consul here, now they are looking for a new one))) There are few of us here, but the quantity is compensated by quality))
        Quote: Bakht
        Russia's withdrawal from the Caucasus will have the most dire consequences for Azerbaijan. Again, my personal opinion.

        This is understandable. Azerbaijan will be drawn into this conflict.
        Quote: Bakht
        Read what Russia did in the 90s. She sold and betrayed all her allies. She betrayed the Abkhazians and put Shevardnadze on the throne (for me personally this was a revelation). I saw what was happening in Azerbaijan with my own eyes. One of the few republics that did not want to leave the USSR. That's what they forced us to do.

        What’s true is true. But right now the situation is much worse, as a person who lives here and knows both sides, the situation is getting worse every day. I’m not even sure in the future whether I’ll want to raise my children here, because either a Western wimp or a radical will grow up Caucasian. And you yourself know which Erazy are nationalists and the second option is the most likely))) I am for nationalism, but for healthy, but now here it takes on unhealthy forms, when a Caucasian kills a Russian, in any case, the Caucasian is to blame and vice versa. Few people already understand details of the case. Stupid nationality EVERYTHING!!
    2. Alexholzman
      0
      29 July 2013 22: 26
      I forgot to say that during the collapse of the USSR, Azerbaijan already took a big bite out of Dagestan!
      And the loss of the Caucasus for Russia will be like a disaster.
      Firstly, it’s like Crimea, they screwed it up, although it is watered with the blood of Russian soldiers, like water. the same with the Caucasus.
      Secondly, it is difficult to imagine what will happen to the Caucasus itself, but in the underbelly of Russia it will not be a splinter, but an unhealed wound, which can lead to gangrene and general blood poisoning.
      1. +2
        29 July 2013 22: 31
        firstly, we did not bite it off, and after negotiations on the demarcation of the border between Azerbaijan and Russia, the Russian government made such a decision. maybe we are also to blame for the decisions of your government?))))
      2. -1
        29 July 2013 23: 03
        Quote: AlexHolzman
        I forgot to say that during the collapse of the USSR, Azerbaijan already took a big bite out of Dagestan!

        Come on? If you go to the south of Dagestan, you will feel like you are in Azerbaijan.
        And everything was within the framework of an official agreement between the states and this is more beneficial to the Russian Federation, so that in the future Baku could not lay claim to Derbent. So Moscow won.
        1. 0
          29 July 2013 23: 30
          We recognize the territorial integrity of all neighbors and have no territorial claims against anyone. We don’t lay claim to Derbent. and the fact that in the south of Dagestan you feel like you are in Azerbaijan, many Azerbaijanis, Russian citizens, live in the south of Dagestan. This is their home. we have nothing to do with it))
          1. Alexander P
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            31 July 2013 20: 02
            for General Ermolaev did the same, but to the Black Sea?

            You probably wanted to say General Ermolov

            General of Infantry, General of Artillery. General Ermolov was one of the most famous and popular people in Russia in the first half of the XNUMXth century. He achieved this fame by participating in three wars with Napoleon, by his activities in governing the Caucasus, by his statesmanship, by his independent and noble character. "You are a brother of arms, you are life for the regiments," the poet V. Zhukovsky wrote about Ermolov after Borodino. Alexander Griboyedov called the ruler of the Caucasus "the Sphinx of modern times". “I ask you to allow me to be your historian,” A. Pushkin addressed to Ermolov.
  100. +4
    29 July 2013 14: 52
    I’m not very fond of Zhirinovsky, but he’s a smart guy.
    "For the last 200 years, peace in the Caucasus has been maintained only by Russian bayonets"

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