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Caucasian perspective on Russia's withdrawal

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The second Caucasian War is not so ghostly, because, according to surveys, more than half of Russians do not object to the separation of the Caucasus. But the voice of the inhabitants of the Caucasus itself is rarely heard in the media, and few people imagine what the highlanders themselves think about this possibility. Although knowing their opinion is just very important and interesting. My interlocutor is Ingush, three higher educations, historical, legal, in-language, 35 years. Last year he lives abroad, in one of the countries of Western Europe - therefore, I think, and agreed to answer my questions so frankly.


Caucasian perspective on Russia's withdrawal


What do you think about the situation in the Caucasus?

- If you are talking about the Caucasus in the context of Russia, then the deadlock is complete! The abyss is deepening, ethnic republics will disappear, and, most importantly, the population is beginning to slowly understand and mentally prepare, even the officials.

- How to prepare?

- People begin to think, understand that the chaos can not continue indefinitely. And they see that Russia is not able to restore order. Misunderstanding increases between regions and the center. It must end. Those who have already realized that this will be the end, are preparing themselves for the worst. There is an understanding that the feds will not let go of the southerners. Someone is waiting for the war, there are young people who are preparing for it, ordinary people just wait and hope for the best, maybe they will get around, the more prosperous, who understand the situation well, for example, from businessmen, are slowly transferring business from Russia abroad, buying real estate - who in Europe, some in the UAE, some in Turkey, etc., in case of waiting out. Well, of course, there are many of those who blindly believe in Russia.

- What will happen to the Caucasus after the withdrawal of Russia?

- In my opinion, the first time order will not be! Everything will depend on regional elites, on their ability to influence those who participated in the confrontation with Russia. From the participants of the resistance themselves, from their ability to adequately assess the current new reality, as well as from the powers that want to participate in establishing contacts with new political entities. The Caucasus will not be united in terms of a single state, the Emirate will not work, but there will be a good basis for unity. The biggest problem, I think, will be to subordinate all armed groups to one command and convince them not to resist the quartering of NATO bases in opposition to Russia.

Otherwise, Russia will stick its nose to infinity, and these are new wars and endless chaos in which we have been living for at least 200 years.

- I do not think that NATO will want to go to the Caucasus.

- NATO in the person of the United States, in any case it will do, it is necessary to cut off Russia from the Middle East as far as possible.

- And how do you feel about the Emirate?

- The emirate is a temporary phenomenon, created in order to materialize the ideological rationale for the war of all Caucasian peoples against Russia. Going beyond the purely Chechen war.

Like most - 95% Ingush - I do not think this is something serious.

- You are not exaggerating? In Ingushetia, a strong underground.

- Of course, the underground in Ingushetia is strong, but in how many percent of the participants is it expressed? No more than 1% of the total population are active, another percentage of 4-5 helps them, anyway, a lot of them simply sympathize. But even among the members of the underground there is no consensus about the Emirate after the liberation of the Caucasus.

- But after all, the Emirate is the only organized armed force in Ingushetia and in the Caucasus in general.

- Yes it is. The Imarat simply has no alternative, and no one is looking for it. The one who suffered from power or injustice, or came to a purely ideological point to the need to fight with this evil, and picks up weapon - automatically becomes imaratchik, although, perhaps, he does not really sympathize with them. But absolutely all armed people are deeply religious people.

There are among them those who realize that it will be difficult to fashion something really systematized from the Emirate. But at the present moment no one talks about this, since it will interfere, at this stage, within the resistance itself.

- And how will the Ingush relations with the Ossetians develop in the event of Russia's withdrawal?

- Everything is difficult with Ossetians, more precisely, it is difficult for Ossetians. If Russia leaves the Caucasus - Ossetians will go along with it, the Ingush are no longer limited to the demand for the return of the Prigorodny District, those who hold weapons in their hands want a complete territorial rehabilitation, i.e. all of Ossetia.

If Moscow leaves them, the Ossetians do not have any resources to keep "their" territory.

- Do you think that the whole of Ossetia is an Ingush territory? Completely all?

- Of course, the Ossetians did not appear yesterday in the Caucasus, and they lived somewhere. They were constantly under someone's protectorate, they were divided among themselves by different Ingush societies and Georgians at different times. Some of the Ingush with them assimilated, we remember it well. If the Ossetians had not undermined relations with the Ingush during the Soviet era, they would have had a chance today to remain at some of their places, but in this situation they have no chance. Therefore, I believe that the whole of Ossetia is the territory of the Ingush.

The armed underground also considers the same, the Caucasus Emirate recognized the territory of Ossetia as a vilayet of G1alg1aiche, i.e. completely beyond the Ingush.

- Let's imagine that Russia has left the Caucasus. What happens to the Ossetians? In detail.

- In my opinion, Russia will not leave without a fight, so the liberation will be accompanied by war. I can not say how long it will last, but I am sure that it will be very bloody. Everyone knows that the bridgehead of Russia is North Ossetia, the 58 army headquarters there, the airfield in Beslan, the largest base in Mozdok, all on the border with Ingushetia. During the fighting, the theater of which will be at least Dagestan, Ingushetia, Chechnya and Kabarda. In the course of the war, it will be clear to the Ossetians themselves, who have stained their hands in Ingush and Chechen blood, that Russia will quit. Naturally, embittered, armed and well-prepared Ingush militants, whom Russia failed to cope with, and all those who had been waiting for a moment to take revenge on them, would rush towards Ossetia. And imagine how you think, will the Ossetians succeed in keeping this attack in the absence of the Feds? Of course not, and the Ossetians know this well themselves. Therefore, as the army units retreat, the Ossetian population will also come out. The Ossetians will indulge themselves with the fact that the Russian Federation is going out for a while, as it was in Chechnya's 90's, but then they will only deceive themselves. Surely, not everyone will run away immediately, but, as time passes, everyone will leave. The Ingush will not massacre the civilian population, we are different in this, but any attempt to "not look at it" will be punished harshly.

- And what did the Ossetians do to the Chechens? In the "Ingush blood" - this is understandable. But why in Chechen?

- Ossetian formations participated in the Chechen wars, especially "lit up" during the first war, as usual, massacres of civilians, women, children and old people. They also participated in the massacre in Samashki. Because of this, the Chechens did not take the Ossetians into captivity, but they slaughtered them in retaliation. This is the only people living in the Caucasus who have discredited themselves in relation to their neighbors. There are problems with the Ingush problems, with the Chechens problems, with the Kabardians, and the whole world knows what is with the Georgians.

- But Kadyrov spoke in support of Ossetia.

- Almost all Chechen nationalists supported Ossetia.

- Why ??

- Because they have suffered and are suffering pan-Chechen ideology, they want to join, if not all of Ingushetia, then its part.

- Let's go back to the problem of leaving Russia. I do not think she will leave under the influence of military force. Yes, and there is no force that would achieve this, except for the Emirate, but he is weak.

But almost all colonial empires collapsed under the influence of an internal crisis.

This is exactly what can happen with the North Caucasus.

If several riots of the Pugachev type occur today (which is happening today in the town of Pugachev), an act of terrorism like Nord-Ost, an external crisis and a sharp drop in oil prices, or an economic crisis for a different reason, at the same time unrest in Moscow like Bolotnaya or Manezhki (the liberal middle class or nationalists bring several tens of thousands to the streets) - then the Kremlin simply runs from the Caucasus. This is the most real.

- Of course, in the Caucasus there is no military force capable of throwing out a Russian army boot, even with active support from the outside. Here the political situation in the center should play its role, i.e. the crisis of the central government, most likely the Putin regime, possibly provoked by economic problems. Of course, this should take advantage of the Western countries to put pressure. Then from Moscow there will be an order to “leave the Caucasus”, and leaving the military, they will destroy everything, and the people cannot say that we just took it, thought it and decided to leave the fucking Caucasus, they won't understand. Therefore, they will play war games.

- And what will happen then?

“Then the Ingush and Chechens, thirsting for revenge, those who were at home and those who will start coming home from all over the world, will begin to set their own rules. They will catch officials and those who served them, all sorts of corrupt mullahs and muftis, take revenge on snitches, traitors, and divide their property. There will be an attempt to create an Islamic state of the Caucasus Emirate, but nationalism cannot be overcome. A little more will argue about the borders, half of the population will leave the places of permanent residence, i.e. will become refugees, and for a long time will not want to return.

- But Kadyrov has his strength.

Remember what happened after the withdrawal of the Soviets from Afghanistan. Najibullah held on for a few more years.

“If the Kremlin escapes from the Caucasus, they will leave the weapon to Kadyrov.” And the oil of Chechnya will be under his control - and that means there will be money.

- Kadyrov will not remain in his place either. Yes, there are forces, but they are not equal. The Kadyrov formations will not want to fight against their own, since most of them see their future in Chechnya, and they will understand that this is not for long, many will go over to the side of the militants and will repent. As for oil, one or two terrorist attacks on the oil pipeline - that's all the end of the money.

In addition, most of the militants in the Caucasus are Chechens, the forests are teeming with them. Due to the closed access of the media in Chechnya, Russians and the world do not see this.

- And the Circassians, Dagestanis, Karachay-Balkarians? What will happen in their lands?

- Approximately the same, but taking into account national and historical features.

There are many nationalities in Dagestan, they have to agree among themselves there. Kabardians have territorial difficulties with Balkarians, etc. As for the original Circassian territories outside the borders of the present-day Circassian republics, the problem with this chain is that the Circassians themselves turned out to be the weakest link at this time.

So, there will be a lot of problems, and they will have to be solved.

- While from what you say, bloody chaos emerges.

Remember what happened in Chechnya after the Russians left - criminal lawlessness, kidnapping throughout the country and in Chechnya itself, civil war. Against this background, Wahhabis appeared as carriers of unifying ideology.

- Alas, but in one way or another this cannot be avoided, I am almost sure of it, too many contradictions have accumulated, they should spill out.

- What unifying ideology will appear in this case? And will it appear at all? Will Islamists take over again?

- There is no alternative to Islam, but do not think that it will be aggression of all against all. Of course, we have supporters of world jihad, but they are in the minority, the majority understand that Islam still needs to be strengthened among the people, and we are tired of wars and instability, people need peace.

- And what will happen in the relations between the Ingush and the Chechens?

- Perhaps, there will be some territorial dispute, a border one, but on the basis of Shari'ah and Adat it will be quickly resolved. Merging will not be accurate.

- And the role of the Sufis?

- The role of the Sufis, of course, is significant, but the Salafis will order the music. There will be dismantling with the Sufis, more precisely with the top, which served the power, and then somehow grow together, but the role of the Sufis will decrease.

- Return of Imamat Shamil on a Sufi basis?

- Utopia!

- How do you see the future of Abkhazia?

- This is already more difficult, I don’t have so many connections with her. I think, unlike South Ossetia, they have good chances to remain independent. Here the role will be largely played by the position of third parties, and to what extent Abkhazia itself is ready and willing to defend its sovereignty.

- And South Ossetia?

- All Ossetia will share between the Ingush and the Georgians. Ingush - North, Georgians - South.

- How common is waiting for Russia to leave in the North Caucasus today?

- Everyone knows that Russia will leave, everyone listened to the stories of old men about prophecies, now these prophecies come true in front of our eyes. Those who think - only guess when, how soon. But there are many who do not believe in it. They did not believe in the collapse of the USSR, but they were mistaken, so it will be this time.

- If in percentage terms, how many thinks that Russia will leave?

- 40 - 50%, not less.

- How many are sure that Russia will leave, how many doubt and how many think that Russia will be in the North Caucasus always, in the foreseeable future?

- 40 percent-50% are sure; 30 percent still know what will go away, but they don’t think that soon, 10 percent don’t think about anything at all. And the fact that Russia will always be in the Caucasus - no more than 10%, I say this with confidence!

- What will be the fate of the Russians who still remain in the North Caucasus?

- In Ingushetia and Chechnya there are almost none. And from Dagestan and Kabarda, they actively leave.

- What can you say about the Cossacks?

- The Cossacks are fake, this ryazhenoe scarecrow, which is still a little preserved in the Stavropol region and in the Kuban - and more than half of the impostors who do not have Cossack origin.

- Will the borders between the Russian Federation and the republics of the North Caucasus remain unchanged? The so-called Russian Caucasus? Kuban, Sochi, Pyatigorsk? This is the former Circassian land. The borders of the independent North Caucasus separated from Russia - are these only the borders of the North Caucasian Federal District?

- It is difficult to foresee, but I do not doubt that the Caucasian expansion in this direction will continue. The question is how soon will the forces gather for this.
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  1. serge-68-68
    serge-68-68 29 July 2013 06: 36 New
    88
    The interviewee is still a sci-fi ... And he is very easy to handle not only with the departure of the parish of Russia or NATO, but also with people's lives. About people like him, "theorists have clean hands, and practitioners have a good conscience." It is good for him to theorize, sitting "in one of the countries of Western Europe."
    1. Sirocco
      Sirocco 29 July 2013 06: 56 New
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      You can immediately see the "real patriot", the Caucasian people do not indicate that he is a Western mongrel))))
      My interlocutor is Ingush, three higher educations, historical, legal, in-lingual, 35 years old. Last year he lives abroad, in one of the countries of Western Europe - therefore, I think, and agreed to answer my questions so frankly.
      The MINUS article is huge. Such articles here bring a split into society.
      What unifying ideology will appear in this case?
      Yes, not what, cut each other, that's the whole story.
      1. Ezhaak
        Ezhaak 29 July 2013 11: 12 New
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        Quote: Sirocco
        Such articles here bring a split into society.

        It is the authors of such statues that bear the same split. Provocateurs.
        The Ingush are playing out, the Chechens will be the first to cut them out in the state predicted by the narrator. It is no accident that the Chechens, upon returning to the North Caucasus, demanded the separation of the Chechen-Ingush Republic into two! These educated Ingush think too well of themselves. They just have to start proving that they are also smart, almost like Jews in Israel.
        1. Alexholzman
          Alexholzman 29 July 2013 12: 09 New
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          Apparently, we will recall Beria more than once, because he proposed to flood them in barges in the Caspian, but Stalin turned out to be more humane.
        2. Lech from ZATULINKI
          Lech from ZATULINKI 29 July 2013 18: 42 New
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          In such cases, it is time to revive the methods of Comrade Beria.
          The patience of the KREMLIN is not infinite. I think after the SOCHIN OLYMPIAD interesting events in the Caucasus will begin, not in favor of the Caucasian bandits.
      2. Straus_zloy
        Straus_zloy 29 July 2013 12: 41 New
        21
        three higher educations

        in 35 years are not a guarantee of the mind, but rather show that a person:
        1. doesn't understand what he wants
        2. doesn't have to work hard to earn a living if he can afford to study all the time
        1. alicante11
          alicante11 29 July 2013 14: 47 New
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          And the expression "in any way" is indicative of the quality of humanitarian (foreign language) education. A sort of "Novoingushskaya" mascot.
      3. Check
        Check 29 July 2013 13: 51 New
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        Good afternoon!
        the article is not a minus but a plus should be set, this emigrant living in Europe deserves a minus, and the author shows us his vision, here a minus is not appropriate. you need to know what is in their heads, maybe this particular person has something to do with extremists on the territory of the Russian Federation.
        but his eyes are stubborn))
        1. piroman2011
          piroman2011 29 July 2013 15: 21 New
          +3
          I think so too. Good interview. immediately visible ideological strategist.
        2. Revolver
          Revolver 29 July 2013 17: 01 New
          +4
          The interview (and not the interviewee) is undoubtedly +. Such things should be printed in the central newspapers and shown on TV so that everyone knows what’s what. But they will not show it because it is politically incorrect.
          I wonder if the interviewee is not afraid to go into the toilet? After all, there he can expect a surprise from GDP.
          1. Essenger
            30 July 2013 22: 25 New
            +5
            Quote: Nagan
            I wonder if the interviewee is not afraid to go into the toilet?

            Not like the toilet, he calmly participates in political discussions on the central channels of Russia.
            1. Revolver
              Revolver 31 July 2013 21: 11 New
              0
              I would like to hope that he will eventually be soaked in the toilet. Well, or at least on the central channel. Deserves it without options.
      4. Albert1988
        Albert1988 29 July 2013 19: 10 New
        +7
        Quote: Sirocco
        Immediately visible "real patriot",
        Here it is also necessary to add about the “polls” quoted by the author: what 40-50% of Russians were polled? who interviewed? And the interlocutor himself, living in "Western Europe", knows how to reliably - what are the moods in the Caucasus? So the article is a provocation of pure water: who didn’t understand who interviewed someone unclear ... as always in such cases)))
      5. Dilshat
        Dilshat 30 July 2013 16: 29 New
        +3
        Yes, what the hell is Ingush, he has a yarmulke on his head. A harmful article that subconsciously prepares Russians for the separation of the Caucasus.
    2. soldat1945
      soldat1945 29 July 2013 06: 58 New
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      Maybe it was a reception from a psychiatrist, but we thought it was an interview!
      1. Hleb
        Hleb 29 July 2013 07: 12 New
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        Yes, this interview can be used as data for differential diagnosis.
        conclusion-stubborn
        1. Stiletto
          Stiletto 29 July 2013 10: 04 New
          +7
          No one knows why this stuffed bearded man is still alive after such "interviews"?
          1. zart_arn
            zart_arn 29 July 2013 11: 08 New
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            No one knows why this stuffed bearded man is still alive after such "interviews"?

            The answer (as in a joke) - but who needs it on .er!
            1. zart_arn
              zart_arn 29 July 2013 11: 13 New
              +1
              He has a kind of Palestinian, Middle Eastern. Sorry for this "great ingush." Many representatives of small nationalities dream of their greatness, fortunately, the history of such dreams does not leave a stone unturned (huts on a hill).
              1. Zhaman-Urus
                Zhaman-Urus 29 July 2013 12: 27 New
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                In the photo Avram Shmulevich himself, so what kind of look he should have)
                1. zart_arn
                  zart_arn 29 July 2013 17: 27 New
                  +7
                  Indeed, Shmul himself, the second Borukh Stomakhin (or maybe the first who will take them apart). A lot of honor to know such in person.
                  Just the meaning of the article becomes more understandable - one Russophobe found another Russophobe.
          2. Hleb
            Hleb 29 July 2013 12: 35 New
            +4
            this scarecrow also claims that he personally met with Putin
            http://www.sem40.ru/lenta/news-dir/125179.html
        2. Ghenxnumx
          Ghenxnumx 29 July 2013 14: 12 New
          +7
          Quote: Gleb
          Yes, this interview can be used as data for differential diagnosis.
          conclusion-stubborn

          Previously, such people were kept only in wards with Napoleons, kings and others ... without the right to walk.
          Such bacteria live am ... and everything around them is poisoning. These are open calls for the massacre of each other. angry !!!
      2. Sirocco
        Sirocco 29 July 2013 07: 15 New
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        You want to say interns are sporting, with Napoleons laughing
        1. Hleb
          Hleb 29 July 2013 07: 31 New
          +8
          there was no Ingush. divorce and provocation
          1. Sasha1273
            Sasha1273 29 July 2013 07: 35 New
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            Yes, and were there any polls? The expression always strikes me: "according to the polls," I have never answered a poll, are they being conducted at Rublevka?
            1. Hleb
              Hleb 29 July 2013 08: 03 New
              +7
              nothing to talk about
              1. ded10041948
                ded10041948 29 July 2013 11: 18 New
                +4
                What is this report from a bunch of mummers and holy fools?
                1. Hleb
                  Hleb 29 July 2013 12: 31 New
                  +4
                  Well, the author of this article is the person involved in the video
                  1. zart_arn
                    zart_arn 29 July 2013 17: 45 New
                    +5
                    Thank you for the video, a great addition to the article, even, perhaps, on the contrary - this article is an addition to the video.
                    Slav brothers, does this remind you so sweetly called by some of the "bunch of holy fools" that already passed by the bloody trail of Mother Russia in the 20th century?
                    1. shpuntik
                      shpuntik 29 July 2013 23: 51 New
                      +4
                      Here they have what rechki (in the frame of the 6th minute). Until some provisions of the Talmud are recognized as Nazi, there will be wars and revolutions.
              2. shpuntik
                shpuntik 29 July 2013 11: 54 New
                +7
                So here he is some kind of "reindeer"! These immigrants from the Union, I wonder who worked in the USSR? Whose relatives are they, if red is so important for them?
                Thanks for the video, it's better to see once :-)
              3. Straus_zloy
                Straus_zloy 29 July 2013 12: 44 New
                +3
                Parade of idiots. Most immigrants from the USSR are much more adequate.
              4. Proud.
                Proud. 29 July 2013 21: 38 New
                +3
                La-la-la, la-la-la, la-la-la ... So, the Jewish partisans will go to battle with the songs and will slaughter those who do not agree with the building of "great Israel" from Rio Grande to Huanghe.Ni X .. (here is the grassing "P") .. And your appetites!
            2. AleksUkr
              AleksUkr 29 July 2013 11: 09 New
              +2
              Surveys, if they do, then for pre-trained people. These centers have their own electorate catalog on any issue. The expected answer will always be. This is AXIOM.
            3. Bashkaus
              Bashkaus 29 July 2013 12: 40 New
              +8
              And I hit several times, including and to the Levada Center. Honestly, the fact that according to their polls the population hates their power, is waiting for the arrival of NATO because everything is very bad with us - it's true, I always answer for two reasons.
              1, so that the authorities would not relax, they wouldn’t wake up such pins in w ...
              2-West also listens to our polls. Remember what kind of faces they had, when on the basis of the same polls they made a bet on the Russian spring during the presidential election, they were absolutely sure that all of Russia would come out to sweep Putin, but in reality it turned out to be a little of mentally healthy people))) )
              Personally, I was pleased that I had a hand in this "cloud".
              1. skeptic
                skeptic 29 July 2013 13: 12 New
                +3
                Quote: Bashkaus
                the west also listens to our polls. Remember what kind of faces they had, when on the basis of the same polls they made a bet on the Russian spring


                So otozh, Hitler with his blitzkrieg on a similar blizzard seduced. The result is sad - for everyone with a sword ...
              2. carbofo
                carbofo 31 July 2013 13: 05 New
                +1
                Quote: Bashkaus
                And I hit several times, including and to the Levada Center. Honestly, the fact that according to their polls the population hates their power, is waiting for the arrival of NATO because everything is very bad with us - it's true, I always answer for two reasons.

                For the majority of the population deeply ... what they write in left.
                People always hate power and only power loves itself, there is nothing new for millennia.
                If you rely on the polls of Levada, then, in theory, when I meet a deputy, I have to fill his face, somehow I don’t notice the crowd of deputies with fingals under my eye! a car that seeks will always find.
                The fact that the people are angry and rather violently and aggressively react to injustice is normal, the Russians have always been like that !. Pugachev as an example.
                As for the southerners in all forms, I think they have problems with their heads, maybe their diuretic system does not work correctly, but our amba can freeze cold too.
                And their holidays are ahem, wonderful or something, I don’t understand the ram then what does it have to do with it? judging by the videos that I saw from ramadan, the lamb’s lovers there also pass the power of the victim in the process of decapitation. Yes, and it’s strange to God, he sees through the houses during the day and at night, well! This is in my class 7 physics, if I remember correctly, about the waves! In general, the meaning is this: those types of radiation that they see through houses during the day, perfectly see the same thing at night, the presence or absence of visible light does not affect.
      3. domokl
        domokl 29 July 2013 08: 48 New
        +9
        Quote: soldat1945
        Maybe it was a reception by a psychiatrist,

        Not a reception for sure. Another ideologist of the Caucasus branch. That's why he fled home from abroad. Underground, riots in Russia. Clown.
        Realizing that the bandits always remain bandits, he begins to talk about everyone .. Such a beautiful formulation is EVERYTHING ... It seems like about no one in particular, but about everyone at once.
      4. Natalia
        Natalia 29 July 2013 09: 19 New
        20
        I don’t even want to comment on this. You see Ingush living with a higher education living abroad ... and I suppose he lives in a geyropa, and they all have a geyropa for a long time margarine instead of brains.
        1. Canep
          Canep 29 July 2013 10: 38 New
          +3
          The only good news is that he preaches in Geyrop. In general, a person is really sick, it’s a sin to laugh at such a thing.
          1. Alexholzman
            Alexholzman 29 July 2013 12: 13 New
            +2
            So Geyropa sheltered them all, and now they howl themselves - what a mess the "refugees" from Chechnya and Ingushetia are doing and cannot cope with them!
      5. mansur
        mansur 29 July 2013 09: 21 New
        +8
        Quote: soldat1945
        Maybe it was a reception from a psychiatrist, but we thought it was an interview!

        From the movie ,, Prisoner of the Caucasus ,,
        SHURIK: I understand that you all do not believe me ... Can I see the prosecutor?
        CHIEF: You can. Where is our prosecutor?
        DOCTOR ON duty: In the sixth ward ... where Napoleon used to be.
    3. ziqzaq
      ziqzaq 29 July 2013 07: 55 New
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      Quote: serge-68-68
      The interviewee is still fantastic ..

      Worse, he's just sick. We’ll cut those figs for ourselves, we’ll catch these, Ossetians are not people at all ....... Mlya fly where such ghouls come from ???
      Three higher educations:
      1. As a child, I listened to grandmother's tales - historical.
      2. The first three classes stood in the corner - legal.
      3. By the end of the third grade, I somehow learned to read - in.yaz ......
      1. cosmos111
        cosmos111 29 July 2013 09: 17 New
        +7
        Quote: ziqzaq

        Author Avrom Shmulevich

        The title of the article must be changed: to "" "Nonsense and DREAMS" "" Zionist Avroma ..... Mr. Shulevich, your crazy dreams will never come true !!!
        But Israel will have to give the Palestinians the territories conquered in 1967 and the Golan, Syria the same.
      2. mansur
        mansur 29 July 2013 09: 27 New
        +8
        Quote: ziqzaq
        Worse, he's just sick

        And he is far from sick--
        Leader of the International Hypersionist Movement "Bead Arceinu" ("For the Homeland")
        former member of the political council of the Russian Eurasia movement
        The movement stands in radically anti-Arab positions; also held events in support of Serbia and Soviet veterans persecuted in Latvia (Kononova, Savenko).
        At the constituent congress of the Eurasia movement in April 2001, he became a member of the political council (the leader of the movement is Alexander Dugin; in 2002, the movement was transformed into a party and Israeli citizen Shmulevich automatically left it).
        Hasid, a member of the World Council of Bratslav Hasidim (Hasidism is the dominant trend in Judaism among Ashkenazi; in Russia is represented by the Federation of Jewish Communities of Russia (FEOR)) Berel Lazar.
        Supporter of the "Eurasian" union of Israel and Russia, Hasidim and Sufi Islam against "Atlantism" and Wahhabis.
        He advocates the creation of Greater Israel within the borders of the Nile to the Euphrates, for the restoration of a Moarchic form of government in future Greater Israel.
        http://www.anticompromat.org/shmulevich/shmulbio.html
        1. cosmos111
          cosmos111 29 July 2013 10: 38 New
          +2
          Quote: mansur
          And he is far from sick--
          Leader of the International Hypersionist Movement "Bead Arceinu" ("For the Homeland")

          And where is the Zionists ,, homeland?? On Mars. laughing
        2. skeptic
          skeptic 29 July 2013 13: 18 New
          +2
          Quote: mansur
          Advocates for the creation of Greater Israel within the borders of the Nile to the Euphrates


          Only here on the video, something was said about "before the Yellow River." request
      3. seller trucks
        seller trucks 29 July 2013 09: 41 New
        +4
        Quote: ziqzaq
        Mlyah fly where such ghouls come from ???



        I recently finished Sergey Kozlov’s book “GRU Special Forces: 50 Years of History, 20 Years of War”, he tells interesting facts: when the militants of Khattab and Basayev attacked Dagestan at the end of the 90’s several times, local residents came to supply food for our units, , persuaded to take food, and even in large villages self-defense units were organized blocked roads by organizing roadblocks. The case is described when a car with SPN fighters was stopped and could not drive.
        1. Gari
          Gari 29 July 2013 11: 54 New
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          Quote: seller trucks
          I recently finished Sergey Kozlov’s book “GRU Special Forces: 50 Years of History, 20 Years of War”, he tells interesting facts: when the militants of Khattab and Basayev attacked Dagestan in the late 90’s, the local residents came to supply food for our units, , persuaded to take food, and even in large villages self-defense units were organized blocked roads by organizing roadblocks.

          The head of Ingushetia, Yunus-bek Bamatgireevich Evkurov, is a Russian military and statesman.
          From 1982 to 1984, he served in the Marine Corps of the Pacific Fleet [2].
          At the end of the service, he was recommended for exams at the Ryazan Higher Airborne Command School. Evkurov entered this school and graduated in 1989. He began his service in the reconnaissance of the 350th Guards Parachute Regiment in Belarus, in Borovukha 1.
          In 1997 he graduated from the Military Academy named after M.V. Frunze.
          He served in command positions in the Airborne Forces. He took part in counter-terrorism operations in the North Caucasus. In particular, a detachment of Lieutenant Colonel Yevkurov, performing one of the reconnaissance tasks, discovered and rescued 12 Russian servicemen from Chechen captivity, the chief of staff of the 217th Guards Parachute Regiment of the 98th Guards Svirskaya Red Banner Order of Kutuzov of the 2nd Airborne Descent divisions personally took part in this military operation.
          In June 1999, Yevkurov was in the Serb-Bosnian city of Uglevik (Serb. Ugљevik) as part of the Russian contingent in Bosnia and Herzegovina under the auspices of SFOR.
          In an interview with the President of the Republic of Ingushetia, Yunus-bek Yevkurov (at the time the major events were highlighted), it became known that since the end of May 1999, a group of 18 GRU fighters secretly penetrated the territory of the Slatina airport and actually controlled it until the landing battalion approached. All the circumstances of this operation are still classified.
          On April 13, 2000, Yunus-bek Yevkurov was awarded the title of Hero of the Russian Federation with the award of the Golden Star medal. According to Yevkurov - for throwing Russian paratroopers on Pristina.
          In 2004 he graduated from the Academy of the General Staff.
          Since 2004 - Guard Colonel, Deputy Head of the Intelligence Directorate of the Volga-Ural Military District (Yekaterinburg).
          1. Gari
            Gari 29 July 2013 12: 06 New
            +5
            Yunus-Bek Evkurov visited the Russian Championship in parachuting for accuracy of landing. Competitions started today in Nazran.
            Major General, who served in the Airborne Forces, decided to take part in the competition. However, the jump from 200 meters ended in a fracture, reports Mayak. The politician was injured because he tried to unravel the parachute lines when landing.
            At the trauma center of the local clinical hospital he was given the necessary medical care, after which Yu.-B. Yevkurov returned to the competition on crutches and in plaster. A full recovery will take at least 3 weeks. The politician said that he would comply with all the requirements of doctors, but was not going to rest.
            Behind Y.-B. Evkurov is now 249 parachute jumps.
            1. seller trucks
              seller trucks 29 July 2013 12: 31 New
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              On 20 of March 1992 of the year, the highest degree of distinction in the Russian Federation was established - the title of Hero of the Russian Federation and the Gold Star medal. During this time, 32 of the Dagestan were awarded this high rank. Among them are Magomed Tolboev, Abdulhakim Ismailov, Zagid Zagidov, Magomed Omarov, Adilgerey Magomedtagirov, Gapal Hajiyev, Zulkaid Kaidov and others.
              In addition, there are 66 people, mostly law enforcement officers awarded the title of Hero of the Russian Federation. All of them received it, taking part in special business trips in the North Caucasus, namely in Dagestan.
              The highest state award is awarded for courage and heroism to the soldiers who fought in the "hot spots", for outstanding achievements in the development of outer space, new aviation equipment, and special services to the state and people.
      4. carbofo
        carbofo 31 July 2013 13: 11 New
        +1
        1,2,3 :)
        The article traces the negative attitude towards Russia, and constantly asserts that Russia will leave.
        But it is curious that he exposes the internal problems between groups, but intentionally or not I xs.
        That’s how Jews usually talk, oh how bad it is with us that the refrigerator doesn’t close the food !.
    4. avt
      avt 29 July 2013 09: 31 New
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      Quote: serge-68-68
      The interviewee is still fantastic ...

      It’s not a science fiction at all, it’s quite a fosterling of the Gorbachev Confederation of Mountain Peoples, which is incompetent in the toilet.
      Quote: soldat1945
      Maybe it was a reception by a psychiatrist,

      Then there would be no interviews, but lead gadgets. The enemy is concrete, in the distant times - now almost epic, quite a client of Sudoplatov’s service.
      1. yak69
        yak69 29 July 2013 09: 43 New
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        The first one. Pay attention to who the author of the article is and everything becomes clear!
        The second one. Russia's withdrawal from the Caucasus will mean the withdrawal of Russia as a state from the world stage and, in general, Russia's withdrawal into oblivion.
        The third. The statement that half of Russians for separating the Caucasus from Russia is a PROVOCATION.

        The task of the leaders of Russia: an increase in the territory of the state due to the return of the lost and accession of new lands.
      2. fedorovith
        fedorovith 29 July 2013 17: 38 New
        0
        He couldn’t see the place at the feeding trough, and he was offended, but there they prophesied just to the yard.
    5. Zhzhuk
      Zhzhuk 29 July 2013 10: 03 New
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      Avraam Shmulevich (Avrom Shmulevich, nee Nikita Sergeevich Dyomin, born 10-11-1968, Murmansk) - Israeli politician, rabbi [1] [2], historian, political scientist. Leader of the International Hypersionist Movement Bead Arceinu, with a center in Israel and branches in several other countries

      the opinion of a Caucasian who was born in Murmansk, a mother, a Jewish father, a Russian dad ... comrades are a very good example of desa and how we are pitted, and before the Chechen war a large Jewish diaspora lived there, but before the war everyone quickly left, while the Russians fought with the Chechens, the Jews stole the bank factories the friendliest people


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    6. Ruslan_F38
      Ruslan_F38 29 July 2013 10: 32 New
      +8
      "three higher educations, historical, legal, in-lingual, 35 years old. Last year he lives abroad, in one of the countries of Western Europe - therefore, I think, and agreed to answer my questions so frankly." - Have you really been unable to find another candidate for this interview? Firstly, young, secondly, lives abroad, thirdly, inadequate judging by the appearance and the interview itself. Apparently laziness was a more worthy person to find.
      1. Flooding
        Flooding 29 July 2013 11: 14 New
        +3
        Quote: Ruslan_F38
        thirdly, inadequate judging by the appearance and the interview itself

        Apparently in the photo we see the author himself, Shmulevich.
        1. Ruslan_F38
          Ruslan_F38 29 July 2013 13: 32 New
          +3
          [quote = Flood] [quote = Ruslan_F38] thirdly, it is inadequate judging by the appearance and the interview itself [/ quote]
          Apparently in the photo we see the author himself, Shmulevich. [/ Quote

          Well, well then, that the author, that the interviewee, is the result of "joint activity" this article.
    7. Arberes
      Arberes 29 July 2013 10: 48 New
      +9
      Quote: serge-68-68
      The interviewee is still fantastic ..

      Totally agree with you! Andersen Hans is just a child in comparison with this science fiction.
      Firstly, if for a moment we assume that we are toppling over from the Caucasus, Islamist bandits of different colors will immediately come and putting big and thick (well, we all know that) people will begin to divide power and cash flows from the "brotherly" Muslim countries (Qatar, Saudi Arabia and Turkey, where would it be without it). They will cut us both at the borders of the newly formed entities, and each other! Pensions and subsidies will fall away by themselves-live as you wish Allah to help!
      At the expense of America and NATO, here is generally full urzhach !!! It is beneficial for the West that endless wars-weakening RUSSIA would be desirable across the Caucasus on the border of RUSSIA!
      They themselves will not climb into this sartir in the open, but will be by all means. when to the silent, and when to the brazen to support all this viper!
      All this was already not so long ago.
      Yes, and this mud himself ... to-fiction lives in a quiet and calm country, and does not raise his homeland.
      1. strannik595
        strannik595 29 July 2013 11: 03 New
        +1
        he doesn’t look for 35 years ..........
        Because of this, the Chechens of the Ossetians did not capture, but slaughtered them in revenge. This is the only people living in the Caucasus who have discredited themselves in relation to their neighbors.
        why then the Chechens Georgians were kicked out of South Ossetia ...... some kind of bearded provocateur
        1. OCD
          OCD 29 July 2013 13: 29 New
          +6
          "Ossetian formations participated in the Chechen wars, especially" lit up "during the first war, as usual, with massacres of civilians, women, children and the elderly. They also participated in the massacre in Samashki. Chechens did not take Ossetians because of this, and cut them in revenge. This is the only people living in the Caucasus who have discredited themselves in relation to their neighbors. "
          What Ossetian formations participated in the Chechen wars? What is the massacre in Samashki with the participation of Ossetian forces? But in Beslan once again showed their true complexity.
          And in South Ossetia, Chechens in Tskhinval appeared only with the landing. Until the army entered the city, they were not visible.
      2. Alexholzman
        Alexholzman 29 July 2013 12: 32 New
        +6
        But how can you seriously take this interview, this is a provocation on a given topic, look at our media, everyone is choking with hatred for the Caucasus and lurking any incident with the Caucasians.
        Have we already forgotten about the "face of Caucasian nationality" in the 90s?
        Everything is done to drive a wedge and split the already barely living ties between the regions! The split of Russia will not end in the Caucasus!
    8. serge-68-68
      serge-68-68 29 July 2013 11: 05 New
      +4
      Everything turned out to be much simpler. The interview was invented by Shmulevich himself. Famous (censorship) ... In the photo - he himself. There is no Ingush with three higher educations. He is the leader of the "Hypersionist Movement" "BEAD ARTSEINU" ("FOR THE MOTHERLAND!"), And his site is on the network.
      1. 755962
        755962 29 July 2013 12: 13 New
        +3
        But even among the participants in the underground no consensus


        It is never there, it never was and never will be .. everyone thinks they are a "star", and therefore what centralization can we talk about? Take the same militants in Syria shooting at each other and pulling a blanket over themselves ..
        Chaos is what comes to mind in the first place ...
        Brownian motion...
      2. Alexholzman
        Alexholzman 29 July 2013 12: 18 New
        +6
        In general, an Ingush with 3 higher educations is the same nonsense as in Soviet times - an Ingush professor.
        1. survivor
          survivor 29 July 2013 12: 55 New
          +3
          but this, my friend is complete nonsense. My uncle, currently the rector of the university, has three graduates, is a professor of philology, speaks and writes fluently in nine languages.
          full minus article. I will not comment ....
    9. protopop avvakum
      protopop avvakum 29 July 2013 12: 14 New
      +3
      I bet that he lives in London and one of the candidates for rulers
    10. skeptic
      skeptic 29 July 2013 12: 57 New
      +4
      Quote: serge-68-68
      The interviewee is still a sci-fi ... And he is very easy to handle not only with the departure of the parish of Russia or NATO, but also with people's lives. About people like him, "theorists have clean hands, and practitioners have a good conscience." It is good for him to theorize, sitting "in one of the countries of Western Europe."


      Here the interviewer himself is more interesting - Avrom Shmulevich. So is the meaning of this stuffing.

      Russia went to the Caucasus to stop the raids of any scum (no matter what slogans they covered) Nothing has changed in the world. It is better to hammer them in small batches, without departing from the cash register, than to oppose an invasion that is more organized and equipped with "friends of the Caucasus", which will lead to much greater casualties for Russia and the peoples of the Caucasus itself.
      Unfortunately, there have always been enough “fighters” for whom to fight (no matter who) is the meaning of life. Similar to the "dogs of war" the world does not need a priori.

      How can the sons of Israel be respected when they bring, to our hearts, the filth of schism and all the other abominations connected with this? Think about why this Avrom pulled this Fuhrerren without a clan and tribe (because a true highlander will never wish evil to his homeland)
    11. strange and pretty meaningless
      strange and pretty meaningless 29 July 2013 13: 42 New
      +2
      The article is the infamous BOB. Not all yogurts are equally healthy.
    12. KazaK Bo
      KazaK Bo 29 July 2013 14: 51 New
      +2
      The interviewee is still fantastic ...

      Supporting your ideas completely, I’ll say only one thing - this is not a science fiction ... it’s the oracle of new attacks of Islam ... This is another test ball on the probe of public opinion ... to correct the further development of the situation ..
      There is an understanding that the feds for the good southerners will not let go

      Where to let go? In your new public education ISLAMIC CALIPHATE?
      What would you “fiddle with” and how did the wild horde of Genghis Khan rush into the open spaces of Orthodox Russia to affirm the green banner of Islam with fire and sword?
      Thank! We don’t need this! This we have already passed! If your national clan "hillocks" cannot share power and money, this does not mean that the central government does not have enough strength and political will to reason with the presumptuous newfound leaders.
      And in order that there would be no illusions in such oracles, we just need to change the country's constitution, to the principles of the state laid down in their basic law - NO SELF-DEFINITIONS, ALL IN ONE STATE, when delegating a number of rights to the center only - defense, finance, foreign business. The rest is democracy and equality ... and no "let go" .. "separate" and in the same spirit.
    13. smel
      smel 29 July 2013 14: 59 New
      +3
      serge-68-68 RU Today, 06: 36

      The interviewee is still fantastic.
      No, he is from the Napoleonic chamber. But the author, taking the interview, comes from one nation, which spoils the blood of many people around the world. And here on the site decided to spoil
    14. starshina78
      starshina78 29 July 2013 20: 37 New
      +1
      A man fantasizes! Under no circumstances will Russia ever leave the Caucasus! This Ingush was seen on Western breads, and the sponsors' money must be beaten off. A military conflict is possible, no one rejects this, but there will be no new war like the Chechen one. Firstly: it’s not Yeltsin in power and the Minister of Defense is not Grachev; secondly, 6 he correctly said “1 percent in the forest and 4-5 helps them”, and the remaining 95 percent will not allow this war to start, because it will immediately entail the cessation of subsidies from Moscow (almost the entire North Caucasus sits on subsidies, no production, which means there is no work).
    15. Blackgrifon
      Blackgrifon 29 July 2013 20: 48 New
      +1
      Quote: serge-68-68
      The interviewee is still fantastic ...


      Our ancestors shed their blood for this land and we won’t give it away while this country is standing - the dreams of various subhuman people about separating the Caucasus from Russia will remain dreams.
    16. A. Yaga
      A. Yaga 30 July 2013 00: 24 New
      0
      Quote: serge-68-68
      The interviewee is still fantastic ...

      He is an educated man, a Caucasian .... If he considers the Caucasus a bloody viper, then the way it is - he knows better: he is part of this viper.
    17. Imigrantt
      Imigrantt 30 July 2013 04: 35 New
      +1
      I agree absolutely! They are well heat-stained and do not shoot! Moreover, such "enlightened minds" with three entities nourish! Well, this husband, very sophisticated in the sciences, does not help his "people offended by all neighbors" people to build a normal life ?! Ah no, here you still have to find an application for yourself, with three formations, and in Europe even for a negative attitude towards Russia and its allies, especially with pronounced Wahhabi views and teachings they pay well! Where is the dry cleaning of our special services ?! Such highly erudite cuckoos should be removed as spots on a snow-white shirt - promptly, quickly, so that they would not eat! hi
    18. alex13-61
      alex13-61 31 July 2013 11: 43 New
      0
      Looking at the "bearded" photo, I no longer doubted the content of the interview. What can be expected from the Wahhabi radical ...
      And the conclusion: Russia can’t leave the Caucasus in any way ... because it will get a war in the Kuban and in Stavropol ...
    19. INVESTOR
      INVESTOR 3 August 2013 09: 34 New
      0
      Article from the series "How to Control the Universe Without Attracting Attention of Orderlies"
      Recently I heard where this expression fully reflects the opinion of the person being integrated.
  2. stas52
    stas52 29 July 2013 06: 39 New
    +9
    dreams of the possessed
    1. domokl
      domokl 29 July 2013 08: 51 New
      +6
      Quote: stas52
      dreams of the possessed

      Not dreams, but an attempt to draw attention to the partisans and the underground, to roll them up in pork skins. There will be sponsors. Business, nothing personal. You always want to eat. And you can always buy sheep for slaughter in the villages.
      1. coserg 2012
        coserg 2012 29 July 2013 11: 33 New
        +2
        You got a control in the head. I agree completely.
  3. Alexander Romanov
    Alexander Romanov 29 July 2013 06: 45 New
    11
    Specifically, a man sat on anusha laughing
    1. Sirocco
      Sirocco 29 July 2013 06: 57 New
      +9
      Most likely an open day in a mental hospital. I think that Israel will go into oblivion faster than the Caucasus, which is Russian for centuries.
    2. Tersky
      Tersky 29 July 2013 07: 24 New
      22
      Quote: Alexander Romanov
      specifically a man sat on anusha

      Hello Sasha, he sat down on Wahhabism and the great caliphate. A sort of "patriot" from someone else's gateway. The Ingush were always famous for their excessive ambitions, but this one surpassed everyone. Where is he right in that. "- What will be the fate of the Russians who still remained in the North Caucasus?
      - In Ingushetia and Chechnya there are almost none. And they are actively leaving Dagestan and Kabarda. "
      The article is not a minus or a plus, there is one positive point that enlightens the average citizen of Russia about what is swarming in the skulls of other lovers of lezgins in squares and weddings with a fire.
      1. aksakal
        aksakal 29 July 2013 07: 52 New
        15
        Quote: Tersky
        In Ingushetia and Chechnya there are almost none. And they are actively leaving Dagestan and Kabarda. "The article is not a minus or a plus, there is one positive point that enlightens the average citizen of Russia about what is swarming in the skull boxes of other lovers of lezgins in squares and weddings with a fire.

        “Greetings, Tersky.” But it all begins with this. The article is a minus, a very unpleasant article, but there is one tiny bit of truth - this is about the growing gap between the Russians and the Caucasians. The Russians used to be very positive about Lezginka on the squares (remember the episode "Mimino", numerous weddings are also in my memory), now it is more difficult to find a less pleasant dance for the Russians. Even in your post, this sounds pretty clear. It’s hard for me to imagine what, with such growing dirt, is it possible to stay together? Here I’m strong, strong and can’t imagine. Apart from direct military retention there will be no leverage unless the situation is rectified. Perhaps dramatizing, because Russia has not been in Russia for a long time, perhaps this terrible hostility only on the media pages, which according to the main news of the past week (the birth of some offspring of some kind of royal family) does not belong to Russia, please at least briefly tell my vision - the question is very sick. If with the help of Russia to normalize the standard of living in the Caucasus, the cries of "feeding the Caucasus" will begin. If not normalized - even worse, the Caucasians themselves will begin separatism. There is no clear national policy in the Russian authorities.
        1. sergey32
          sergey32 29 July 2013 08: 34 New
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          Aksakal, you are right, only the abyss is growing between the Caucasians and the rest of the peoples of Russia. The problems of the Caucasus are not resolved, there are attempts, but the result is minimal. I am worried that Ukraine and Belarus are unlikely to agree to reunion, until the Caucasian problem is resolved, they are now at least relatively safe. For me, Belarus is one hundred times more expensive than Chechnya, Ingushetia and Dagestan.
          1. seller trucks
            seller trucks 29 July 2013 11: 03 New
            +5
            Quote: sergey32
            For me, Belarus is one hundred times more expensive than Chechnya, Ingushetia and Dagestan.


            all of it is possible and so, there is a big BUT ... then we will talk about the rejection of the Stavropol and Krasnodar territories, do you call for this? unwillingly / willingly, you are calling for Russia to leave the Caucasus and the republics loyal to Russia of S. and South Ossetia. This is betrayal
        2. antiaircrafter
          antiaircrafter 29 July 2013 09: 54 New
          +3
          Quote: aksakal
          If with the help of Russia to normalize the standard of living in the Caucasus, the cries of "feeding the Caucasus" will begin.

          How does the standard of living in the Caucasus differ from the standard of living in Kostroma or Vologda?
          1. max702
            max702 29 July 2013 11: 13 New
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            Here I agree with you! That everyone rested on the Caucasus Caucasus, how people live in the outback is where the problems are! And this blood does not pour out for one simple reason, people there are not wild, unlike the highlanders, how many times they could cut the Caucasus to zero but no, they didn’t. and we don’t do it now, but what’s the answer? First you need to restore the Russian outback, and that will be the core and support of the country, and only then think about the problems of the Caucasus, will you excuse me, but what's the use of it like a goat's milk, oil? Duc and its full fruit vegetables? well, this goods and other parts of Russia in bulk, important strategic enterprises that pull the country forward and in Soviet times weren’t there. The question should be posed so that Russia does not give the Caucasus and what the Caucasus can give Russia .. Let's be honest we will live without the Caucasus all will be enough for migrants and refugees (I really do not like the state’s policy towards immigrants), but the Caucasus is vryatli, we’ll leave if NATO comes and why? there will be a massacre for decades, that's all .. There is no stability or prosperity, there will be constant heating in anti-Russian moods for energy output. and an unnecessary problem for Russia, only for this the West needs the Caucasus. So in the Caucasus they themselves should think about what they want. will there be a future with Russia if it doesn’t then perish in a massacre of many years .. (Look at any country where NATO came who painfully flourished? Iraq. Afghanistan, Libya ... right now they’ll finish Syria)
            1. aksakal
              aksakal 29 July 2013 14: 35 New
              +8
              Quote: max702
              Let’s be honest, we’ll live without a Caucasus, there will be enough space for all of the migrants and refugees (I really don’t like the state’s policy towards immigrants),

              - Max, you are actually on a site where, among others, GEOPOLITICS is also considered. Let’s you express your opinion when you finish this materiel, find out why Russia needs the Caucasus and, in general, access to the Black Sea, why Peter the Great, with the blood of Russian soldiers, “cut through” the window to Europe through the Baltic Sea, for General Yermolaev did the same but to the Black Sea? Why in Sevastopol at a bloody price fought off the British? Or Ukraine, when it was under the influence of pro-Western (and now) forces you are not an example? Why are such things cut through with blood? It’s not for the fact that for entering the developed and good markets for mutually beneficial trade, the countries that have imposed Russia can "impose" Russia "transit" in such a way that it does not seem enough. So I live in Kazakhstan and really feel that there was a narrow corridor of "no man's land" to the Black Sea - how many Kazakhstan issues would be solved easier! And as it is now - pay for oil transit either through Russia or along the bottom of the Caspian through Azerbaijan - pay. So this is not so bad - and tomorrow will come insane instead of Putin - and completely block the transit? So the war is out of the blue? This is already a matter of state security. You in your post knowingly, on emotions, only on the basis of a HOUSEHOLD hostility towards Caucasians want to abandon the gains of your ancestors! Teach the materiel, your ancestors did not give such a right to refuse what they shed blood for! Moreover, the reason is ridiculous - it’s disgusting for you to see a nosed face, haha! I also have a reason! Look at yourself in the mirror before this. And think with your head tea, not a girl with emotions to think! Read - nausea.
              1. Yura
                Yura 29 July 2013 20: 43 New
                +1
                Quote: aksakal
                only on the basis of HOUSEHOLD hostility towards Caucasians do you want to abandon the conquests of your ancestors! Teach the materiel, your ancestors did not give such a right to refuse what they shed blood for!

                We will be worthy of our ancestors, our descendants will try to be worthy of us. Who wants to remember the forgotten and betrayed their grandfathers and fathers. (Yushchenko wanted, but it didn’t work out, to turn the whole country into Ivanov’s relatives who don’t remember, he didn’t want to be the son of a traitor; he wanted to be known as the son of an independence fighter probably.)
              2. max702
                max702 29 July 2013 21: 27 New
                +3
                Oh how you turned! Emotions means, well, well, you yourself say Kazakhstan needs land for transit and they are either Russian or Azerbaijani, well, the Caucasus has a lot to do and it’s not Western and NATO, but mother Russia and what does it pay it for? there will be no Caucasus for Russia, only thanks to it there are still dozens of nationalities there, otherwise they would have slaughtered each other for a long time (although Russia can be blamed for this with some perverted imagination) the same Turks do not suffer from excessive liberalism and philanthropy, you refer to the blood that was shed there For centuries, Russia has been digging its own passages to markets and trade routes, but I didn’t argue, and then it was necessary, now the times have changed a bit. After the collapse of the union, Russia left the former republics with money and a Russian-speaking population, so what? someone began to live there better? Yeah, wait a minute! All in 10-15 years, how the plundering of the Soviet legacy ended in Russia for a piece of bread came (Kazakhstan was a lucky exception to your luck with the leader) Well, there will be no Caucasus, and what roads do we need there now? Other centuries in the courtyard there are other ways to solve these problems, Ukraine boggled with gas and, to hell, they built the northern stream, didn’t we play war with her for what? Why say the ancestral conquests both in Paris and in There were Berlin in Vienna and many other places, but no one shouts we will return Paris and Berlin, and the Caucasus is a constant headache for Russia with zero utility, but in the 18-19 centuries it would be possible to control the Caucasus only while there, and now? What for there to keep our guys and feed supposedly loyal to us people? Fence and traders from Russia with all business to drive to your beloved historical homeland, live as you like, do not climb to us, after 5-10 years we’ll crawl on our knees. We’re good, technically now it’s possible I’ll repeat not in the 19th century in the yard, but it’s cheaper by several orders of magnitude. (though for this we need the presence of steel eggs in the country's leadership) Now let's see the pros and cons of this, the first in Russia will be cleaner and calmer without shawarma and lezginka, you can live, the money goes in huge amounts the region can be much more useful to spend in Russia (again, the leadership needs something) And now the cons, we are losing the troubled territory with an unfriendly population, alas, those who wish to move to permanent residence are welcome but with certain conditions, and control over their implementation should be very tough (again, the problem is with the presence of something in the leadership) hypothetical paths to markets and so on, well, after 10 years everything will work out by itself either with us or they will die out. My opinion is that Russia does not need the Caucasus, but Russia to the Caucasus.
              3. Alexander P
                Alexander P 31 July 2013 20: 17 New
                0
                Quote: aksakal
                for General Ermolaev did the same, but to the Black Sea?


                You probably wanted to say General Ermolov

                General from infantry, general from artillery. General Ermolov was one of the most famous and popular people in Russia in the first half of the XNUMXth century. He achieved this fame by participating in three wars with Napoleon, activities to manage the Caucasus, a state mind, an independent and noble character. "You are a military brother, you are life to the regiments," wrote poet V. Zhukovsky about Yermolov after Borodino. The "Sphinx of modern times" was named by the ruler of the Caucasus Alexander Griboedov. “I ask you to allow me to be your historian,” A. Pushkin addressed Yermolov.
        3. Alexholzman
          Alexholzman 29 July 2013 12: 39 New
          +3
          Quote: aksakal
          There is no clear national policy in the Russian authorities.

          Absolutely agree! There is no national policy only, not only in the Caucasus, but in Russia in general. This mess, as it began with the humpback, so that he died, continues to this day!
        4. Fedych
          Fedych 29 July 2013 13: 52 New
          +3
          In this absence of a clear question and answer, the whole point. But he is not, not only in relation to the mountain Muslim peoples, taking into account their customs, faith, traditions, and characteristics of spiritual life. And so? - Is everything taken into account in relation to the imperial people, the Russians, their history, identity, faith, desires? A spiritually religious or ideological vacuum hangs over the entire post-Soviet space. Therefore, if we omit all the excesses of the article, as well as their vain and superficially denial refutation, then we can say Russian for Russians and from Russians - we will understand our history, customs, faith, goals, then others and we will understand and learn to respect and understand, and soberly, reasonably and offsetting and understand and agree, peacefully and joyfully. Is this beer hacking? from the streets of tavern patriots, let them remain behind them. Chatting there, and real politics and its understanding and work on the basis of this, things are different !. And it turns out that every second person in Russia is a genius, an oracle, and a righteous person, if they were put in the places of Yeltsin, Gorbachev and the like, they would have built and truncated the basurmans. Let’s leave this Emely bike with its place on the stove.
        5. Mikhail3
          Mikhail3 29 July 2013 14: 52 New
          +5
          There is a way. To do this, remember why the Russians came to the Caucasus. We came there because we wanted to stop the gang raids on our farmers, the ruin of the outskirts and the populism. I had to go to Bukhara and censure the emir there, otherwise I couldn’t handle it. But why are we staying? And it’s very simple.
          We remained at the urgent request and tearful pleas of local residents. For which there was gangsterism, raids and humane theft, and most importantly - the wild, unrestricted mess of local kings who stood across the throat, preventing breathing, for many centuries. And the Russian Law - it was a bright, fierce hope of all the Caucasian peoples, how many there are. It turned out to be sufficient to appoint Russian officials, the Russian governor and not much and numerous Cossack formations to confirm the power of the State. Everything.
          The Russian official did not have a teip, was not in the local clan. He did not touch (and tried not to know at all) local showdowns and cases. He judged by the Law, demanding its execution. And for this position, firm, clear and unchanging, the Caucasian peoples were invariably and ardently grateful to Russia. Most of the peoples living there now would simply disappear without this ...
          In order for the Caucasus to become ours again, to regain ardent patriots there, all this needs to be returned. Only one thing remains to be done - to sentence to long terms of confiscation with confiscation of property of all the heads and persons close to them the so-called "national diasporas" in our cities. Nothing more is needed to correct the situation with the “Caucasians”. Unless you drag a bald ghoul out of the mausoleum and shoot for the terrible idea of ​​"national republics." How much grief and harm has brought, reptile! Blood rivers, destruction of the country ...
      2. Alexander Romanov
        Alexander Romanov 29 July 2013 07: 54 New
        +3
        Hello Victor! Yes, let him sit on anything, in any case, he will yelp to death, but somewhere beyond the hill.
      3. baltika-18
        baltika-18 29 July 2013 08: 36 New
        +5
        Quote: Tersky
        Ingush have always been famous for their excessive ambitions

        A good comment, Victor. Greetings. I minus the article, but there is something to think about.
        Quote: Tersky
        about what is swarming in the skull boxes of other lovers of lezgins in squares and weddings with shooting.
    3. cosmos111
      cosmos111 29 July 2013 09: 22 New
      +1
      Quote: Alexander Romanov
      Specifically, a man sat on anusha

      Rather, in childhood, they dropped his head down wassat .
      1. Alexander Romanov
        Alexander Romanov 29 July 2013 10: 31 New
        +1
        Quote: cosmos111
        dropped head down

        To the cries of Allahu Akbar laughing
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  4. vitek1233
    vitek1233 29 July 2013 06: 48 New
    +3
    this person is very mistaken and gives out wishful thinking
  5. Igarr
    Igarr 29 July 2013 06: 49 New
    12
    It was believed that the roof went from the three highest with foreign language.
    But in general - the simplest psychopathy of "humiliated and insulted" with claims.
    Stupidly.
    Aggressively.
    Menacingly.
    Such "wet in the toilet" must be in childhood.
    .
    I must say, I thought that Caucasian intellectuals did not demonstrate such a "cave" revanchism.
    Wrong, see.
    1. Tersky
      Tersky 29 July 2013 07: 27 New
      +5
      Quote: Igarr
      Such "wet in the toilet" must be in childhood.

      Igor, hi ! He hid in someone else's toilet ..., in his own and would have been soaked ..
  6. George
    George 29 July 2013 07: 03 New
    12
    Hello all.
    Then the Ingush and Chechens hungry for revenge, those who were at home, and those who begin to arrive home from all over the world, will begin to establish their rules.

    I want to quote lines from the book of the tax police colonel, journalist Nikolai Ivanov, “Shoot in November,” who spent 4 months in Chechen captivity. The passage I cited is the last page of the book, but I remembered about it thanks to these lines:
    And not for the sake of a red word said. Two months later, a phone call raised me in the middle of the night.

    - Hello, is this Colonel Ivanov?

    - Yes. Who am I talking to?

    - This is from Grozny. You do not recognize me?

    - Нет.

    A long pause - they decided whether to name a name. Really Senior?

    “You called me a Boxer in captivity.”

    Boxer?

    - I'm listening to.

    I could only listen because I did not know for what purpose the former jailer dialed my phone number. Alertness and interest - these are two feelings that, having interrupted a dream, now fought in me.

    Just the other day, a Decree of the President on awarding Raskhodchikov and Nisiforov with the Order of Courage was signed, and General Kolyvagin, Pyotr Ilyich Tsarakov and Sasha Schukin with the Medal of the Order for Merit to the Fatherland, II degree. The award sheets went for a long time, officials were surprised somewhere: “If they saved a dozen people ...” - “But they themselves have one life, and they risked their only life,” the tax police leadership argued.

    They proved, convinced. Spitting on the entire course of treatment, he raised a toast for them. And then the bell ...

    “I saw you on TV ...”

    Does he call me "you"?

    - But you both disappeared from the guard and did not say goodbye.

    - We took Grozny. Was injured.

    - Do you have any problems? - asked in the forehead. And frankly on "you."

    “Problems ...” he grinned sadly, and the interlocutor was silent for a long time.

    For some reason I didn’t want him to hang up, and hastily filled a pause:

    - Something happened?

    “No, what could happen?” In addition, they did not get what they wanted, for which they fought. Power was seized by those who stayed with you in Moscow and did not hold weapons in their hands. But they grew beards, arrived on the Mercier, and we ...

    Everything is clear: and they, the village boys, are again sent to the mouth of the rams.

    He seems to have guessed my mental continuation of the conversation. But he added:

    “But we cannot go to Russia; for you, we are terrorists.”

    There is a pause again. I feel that I’m not calling to cry in my waistcoat. Boxer is not one of those. Most of all I got nerves, but at the same time I was not a stupid performer, I tried to think ...

    “Why did I call you?” She continues to persistently call me “you.” - I heard that you spoke on TV, read your notes. The other day, I carefully reviewed the records that were taken from you. And I realized: you haven’t done anything bad to Chechnya. But we Chechens have hurt you and your family. I want to apologize.

    I wake up. Sat down. Turned on the light. The past pierced so painfully that I felt tears. But it was that pain, after which relief comes. After all, the Boxer might not have called ...

    - Thank. Thank you for calling.

    “And yet,” the Chechen added hastily now. “I didn’t get a dime for you.” I want you to know about this. And I’ll save your notes and try to somehow transfer. Goodbye.
  7. omsbon
    omsbon 29 July 2013 07: 05 New
    +5
    I learned a little, damn bearded, here’s the lid and slipped!
  8. Strashila
    Strashila 29 July 2013 07: 06 New
    +3
    "... more well-to-do, well-aware of the situation, for example, from businessmen, are slowly moving their business from Russia abroad, buying up real estate - some in Europe, some in the UAE, some in Turkey, etc., in case of waiting out." .. in fact, it seems that there are no elites there, as in Russia, there are clans and others, but not the elite. And you don’t have to drive troops there much, cut off funding that is actually outside the republics ... but this is not done, then someone is profitable.
    1. Tersky
      Tersky 29 July 2013 07: 38 New
      +3
      Quote: Strashila
      in fact, it seems that there are no elites, as in Russia, there are clans and other, but not the elite

      What will she come up with, the elite ... At one time, in order to stop the inter-teip feuds and somehow unite them, a representative of a different nationality, the notorious Shamil, was invited to "reign" ..
  9. knn54
    knn54 29 July 2013 07: 07 New
    +6
    -My interlocutor is Ingush, three higher educations, historical, legal, foreign language, 35 years old.
    Woe from the mind.
    -convincing them not to resist the NATO base deployment as opposed to Russia.
    How you “convince” is seen in Syria.
    - a lot of them just sympathizing.
    "I'm sorry for the bird." And the worst thing is when there are a lot of indifferent.
    - And what did the Ossetians do to the Chechens? In the "Ingush blood" - this is understandable. But why in the Chechen?
    And where did the Chechens not “light up”?
    - All Ossetia will share between the Ingush and the Georgians. Ingush - North, Georgians - South.
    URGENTLY required "lip-to-mouth" machine.
    Vasisualiy Lokhankin of our time.
    And in short, after leaving Russia, we get the Wahhabi version of Zimbabwe. These guys do not care about your patrimonial foundations - the Chechens (and not only) felt this. After some time, they themselves will call for help ...
    1. baton140105
      baton140105 29 July 2013 10: 19 New
      +8
      Russia will not leave anywhere. And believe me, the vast majority of Caucasians do not want this. Of course, there are such "ideologists" as the "educated" Ingush who set our peoples against each other, but thank God they bark from behind a hill. During the war of 08,08, hundreds of volunteers from Dagestan, Chechnya, Kabardino-Balkaria came to South Ossetia. This indicates cohesion and fraternal relations between these peoples. And all their neighbors do not like the Ingush, even Chechens close to them cannot stand them (I heard this not from one Chechen ..) I am silent about Ossetians and Kazakov, here hatred of the Ingush is already at the subconscious level. And let them say thanks to the Russian army, which in 92 stopped Ossetian fighters on their way to Nazran, otherwise the Ingush after their attack would have been very bad.
      PS then let’s place the Udugov’s vysers on the site so to speak to raise the spirit .... This is me to the Admins ..
  10. Valery Neonov
    Valery Neonov 29 July 2013 07: 11 New
    +3
    Quote: Igarr
    It was believed that the roof went from the top three with foreign language.

    hi Let me add: at the age of 35 .... Sitting in a geyrope it is probably easy to reason with him; I would like to ask entogo "figure" - what would you be, if not for Russia .. recourse
  11. Hleb
    Hleb 29 July 2013 07: 16 New
    +8
    and the author Avrom Shmulevich (Nikitka) interviewed himself ..vrazhina

    http://avrom.livejournal.com/?style=mine
    1. cosmos111
      cosmos111 29 July 2013 09: 53 New
      +7
      Quote: Gleb
      second Avrom Shmulevich (Nikitka) interviewed himself ..vrazhina

      vrazhin, what a vrazhin.
      Sledgehammer is the best weapon against all enemies.
  12. vladsolo56
    vladsolo56 29 July 2013 07: 21 New
    +2
    Paranoid with three higher educations, it is not for nothing that intelligence never equated with a diploma. A person does not understand what he is talking about.
  13. Olegovi4
    Olegovi4 29 July 2013 07: 23 New
    +3
    will begin to establish their order. They will catch officials and those who served them, all sorts of corrupt mullahs and muftis, take revenge on informers, traitors, share their property

    it turns out what are the basic needs of the fighters for the great independent Caucasus, to kill and rob.
  14. Wedmak
    Wedmak 29 July 2013 07: 26 New
    +3
    "Chotky" patriot of his homeland. He sits in Europe, dejectedly discusses what to do in Russia, indifferently speaks of the thousands of lives that are doomed to die in the event of a conflict ... Is this tolerant Europe making such people, or did it just go off the roof?
    1. Sirocco
      Sirocco 30 July 2013 04: 59 New
      0
      Quote: Wedmak
      ... Does tolerant Europe make such people, or did the roof just go?

      Europe, has become a factory of such semi-finished products.
  15. Grbear
    Grbear 29 July 2013 07: 32 New
    +9
    This "foreign Caucasian", without knowing it, cited all the arguments about the need for Russia's presence in the Caucasus.
    • The historical claims of the peoples of the Caucasus to each other will escalate, but not at the level of bazookas and daggers, but at the level of plastid and ATGMs. But civilians will be pecking.
    • The combination of national and religious differences will create a "hellish" mixture in which a mass of people will burn. It will not be possible to sit back between opponents, it will be necessary to choose, but the choice between Kalashnikov and Kalashnikov does not inspire optimism, and this is simply death for small nations.
    • After Russia's departure from the Caucasus and the formation of the border, in the normal sense of the word, the Caucasian diaspora will be squeezed out of the plains. This is already primordially Russia and partisans will stop tough.
    • A trivial question will arise: "Do Russia need businessmen from the Caucasus?" There are enough thieves of their own, and here are the newcomers with the opportunity to hide in "sovereign territory." By the way, the withdrawal of business from Russia intensified after Makhachkala and the “builder of Sochi” and “advice notes” have not yet been forgotten.

    As a result, besides geopolitical reasons, Russia has enough reasons to be present in the Caucasus, and Caucasians have enough reasons to stay. Another question: "Does Russia need the Caucasus in its current state?"
  16. Alexander borey
    Alexander borey 29 July 2013 07: 36 New
    10
    Russia is one and indivisible, the Caucasus is also concerned. "The Second Caucasian War is not so ghostly, because, according to the polls, more than half of Russians do not object to the secession of the Caucasus." - Such conversations must be stopped in the bud, this time. Secondly, this is complete nonsense, lies and provocation, the Russians are against the separation of the Caucasus, the words of several liberoids who say supposedly "on behalf of the people", but in fact, on behalf of the State Department, that the Caucasus it’s necessary to separate it - you shouldn’t take it into account. If at least one region is separated from Russia, the whole country will immediately fall as a kingdom of cards. And how much Russian blood is shed in the Caucasus? This is Pandorra's Box. Article - minus.
    PS Liberals, I appeal to you, the Caucasus has always been, is and will be an integral part of Russia, like all other regions, and do not dream of dismembering the country, nothing will come of it. So pass it on to your overseas owners.
  17. Valery Neonov
    Valery Neonov 29 July 2013 07: 39 New
    +3
    Quote: Wedmak
    Is this tolerant Europe doing such people, or just the roof went?

    Probably the roof went off because the geyropa is so tolerant laughing
  18. Rosomaha67
    Rosomaha67 29 July 2013 07: 39 New
    13
    ...... an entertaining article filled with purulent feces of hatred of Russia. It is very remarkable that the person being interviewed makes his statements sitting in the prosperous West and tasting European values ​​and probably the social benefits of the “political refugee”. Such people talk and cherish a lot about the fate of their people while being away from them and preferably at Swiss resorts (a worthy student of V.I. Lenin). Unfortunately for prophets of this kind, Russia would not be able to leave the Caucasus, even if it really wanted to, experience shows that the newly-minted state officials, the Imarat people, having boiled in their porridge and beginning to devour each other, quickly send their predatory creeps beyond the borders of their "progenitor" state, for besides how to rob and kill, they do not know how. So Russia will have no choice but to return there again to rest its lush heads (preferably separately from the bodies, well, purely according to local customs). This has already been proven in practice during the existence of the so-called Ichkeria. Instead of building a state, the Maskhadovo-Basayev clique was engaged only in the robbery of the inheritance from the Russian Federation, when everything else was divided and plundered, when they began to "wet" each other, then for the sake of survival Maskhadov released these spiders from the can. And someone is trying to prove to us that they can stand for something themselves, well, not in this life. What does the cynicism of the interviewee about the rivers of shed blood kill me, because if the situation develops according to the author’s forecast, the blood will be spilled not from the river but from the sea, and the Middle East will seem like a resort compared to our Caucasian hot guys. There are so many accumulated claims to each other, again the laws of blood feud, that they themselves do not dissolve this brewed porridge for a hundred years. Which may well lead to a decrease in the population in these areas. And then the author’s statements about Ossetia, which is generally crazy, Russia will never leave Ossetia, which has repeatedly proved that I have many Ossetian friends, including fighting friends, and I’m personally always ready to help them and their native land in case of danger (He lived his life, gave birth to children, he cut his house, which could be better than death in battle, shoulder to shoulder with a friend).
    ..... for some reason, our Caucasian hot guys think that Russians, if they don’t shout about their steepness and don’t wave a “dagger” for every trifle, they are supposedly afraid. R-E-B-Y-T-A, the Russians beat in silence, but to death, and then they will finish it just in case, so do not flatter yourself! You are not a gift either, but we are not "Yazrailtians" !!!
    ... well, you were not lucky with your neighbors, you would have common borders with the state of Israel, then I believe you would have taught the Arabs how to really fight in real RUSSIAN !!!!!!
  19. valokordin
    valokordin 29 July 2013 07: 40 New
    12
    Well, these are the intellectuals in the Caucasus. It is time to understand that Russia is surrounded by enemies, even the Jew Shmulevich sympathizes with the Wahhabis. Only dictatorship I.V. Stalin will save Russia, its people. No need for democratic snot and references to the 37th year. Politics should be sovereign, enemies should die. Russia is indivisible and it is time to curtail these autonomies. Zhirinovsky is only administrative division. The fact that the Russians for leaving the Caucasus is complete nonsense
  20. makst83
    makst83 29 July 2013 07: 41 New
    +2
    had a smoke !?
  21. Alexanderlaskov
    Alexanderlaskov 29 July 2013 07: 43 New
    +7
    The Caucasus is part of Russia. We have already lost Ukraine, Belarus and other republics. Everywhere there are satisfied and dissatisfied. Russia has its own way.
  22. Imperial
    Imperial 29 July 2013 07: 47 New
    +3
    Make a fool pray to God., Then the fool was still forced to study, his uncle "learned" and began to hammer nails with a microscope.
  23. GEO
    GEO 29 July 2013 07: 52 New
    +6
    Why brought this garbage here ???
    1. Essenger
      29 July 2013 13: 47 New
      +5
      Quote: GEO
      Why brought this garbage here ???

      If you want to receive only positive news, see VGTRK or Channel One. The problem should be discussed, not talk.
  24. velikoros-xnumx
    velikoros-xnumx 29 July 2013 07: 56 New
    +6
    Never in the foreseeable future can the Caucasian peoples agree among themselves and live peacefully, at least without Russia. Too many private interests are intertwined, too many unsupported ambitions, too many territorial disputes among a huge number of ethnic groups living in the Caucasus, too clanish and clan claims to each other, which in the Caucasus are resolved only with blood and there are many many different “too” ones. And Russia will not let the Caucasus go either, they didn’t do it in the dashing 90s, when almost all the factors necessary for separation were gathered and those listed by the intervened people would not do it now. Rather, an option in the a la "Stalinist" style is more likely, with a massive export of the population somewhere to the Anadyr or Dudinka region and repressions against activists.
  25. Rosomaha67
    Rosomaha67 29 July 2013 08: 05 New
    +6
    Quote: GEO
    Why brought this garbage here ???


    ...... and so that we do not forget the face of the enemy and do not rest in peace! An article is needed, and showing that it’s not the time to rest on its laurels!
  26. lewerlin53rus
    lewerlin53rus 29 July 2013 08: 12 New
    +6
    after all, according to polls, more than half of Russians do not object to the separation of the Caucasus.

    Where did the firewood come from? Who and when received such data? There are, of course, those who think that the Caucasus will solve the problems with people from the Caucasus, but for this it is necessary then to deport all Caucasians from all over the country, which means creating an abscess there, cleaner than what was in the 90s .In addition, all the scum from all over the world, financed by our "partners", will be pulled in. And who does not understand what will come of this, then there is no doubt that such mental abilities are absent. In addition, the Caucasus is a natural stronghold. bare steppes. Giving the Caucasus is tantamount to taking off his pants and bending over surrounded by crowds of non-traditional people.
    1. slvevg
      slvevg 29 July 2013 09: 36 New
      +4
      To give up the Caucasus is tantamount to taking off his pants and bending over surrounded by crowds of non-traditional people.

      Well, you won’t say more precisely good
      For the separation of the Caucasus, ordinary people who are constantly at work and have an information vacuum, due to lack of time and desire to figure out what's what. And such an overwhelming majority. Therefore, in their understanding, the separation of the Caucasus is the solution to all problems now: dramatically and quickly, without bothering with what will happen after tomorrow. The media, where TV is of prime importance, are designed to control the opinion of such a crowd. thank the forum and books, I have the good fortune to read the opinions of thinking people and look at the WORLD with eyes already ajar. winked
  27. paul1969
    paul1969 29 July 2013 08: 12 New
    +5
    in the USSR there was such a unit - the department of criminal investigation - but with a foreign nucleon and reassured such forever, now something this office was closed, but in vain ...
  28. 12061973
    12061973 29 July 2013 08: 13 New
    11
    Shmulevich is a Jew, not an Ingush and does not give a forecast, but tells the Jewish plan. Nevertheless, the Jews aimed their Zionist view on Dagestan, apparently they want to restore the Khazar Khaganate ... it remains only to kill each other and cleanse the territory for them.
  29. 12061973
    12061973 29 July 2013 08: 15 New
    +9
    Shmulevich is a well-known liar of course, but with the policies that Russia is now pursuing in the Caucasus, he is not so far from the truth. Russians continue to leave the republics of the Caucasus in large numbers, there is no fight against corruption, nationalism is blooming, Caucasian young people who do not know how to behave in Russian regions, etc. etc. If we now conduct an honest survey among the Russian population, I am convinced that the vast majority will support the separation of the C. Caucasian republics from Russia, at least some of them. I missed the problem of Wahhabism. This infection has taken root too deeply and the way the state fights it does not bode well. Everything is like a wart being cut, but the root remains.
    1. tverskoi77
      tverskoi77 29 July 2013 12: 34 New
      +1
      If we now conduct an honest survey among the Russian population, I am convinced that the vast majority will support the separation of the S. Caucasus republics from Russia

      - this is an absolute fact, many will still pray for the person or people who have decided to secede.
      But what’s interesting: if you look at the opinions of those who comment on this site, we see the opposite.
      1. 12061973
        12061973 29 July 2013 13: 59 New
        +1
        Quote: tverskoi77
        But here, what’s interesting: if you look at the opinion of those who comment on this site, we see the opposite

        they don’t live in the Caucasus. In Chechnya, a program is working to return Russian-speaking citizens to the republic, they give benefits, so if there are those who wish, you are welcome, but in reality they are already leaving Stavropol border settlements and mine-waters in Pyatigorsk are not calm. Recently, in the Stavropol Cossack village Avars because of the debt lowered.
        1. tverskoi77
          tverskoi77 29 July 2013 15: 51 New
          0
          so they
          .
          I absolutely agree with you.
          I will be honest, I hinted that some of the users of the resource adhere to a political line, and do not reflect their opinion or just a troll.
  30. Mails
    Mails 29 July 2013 08: 25 New
    12
    I read the first 2 paragraph, it became disgusting and threw it.
    They’ll stay with naked women, they will build huts and will go to the Russian cities like 200 years ago with raids, to get food and clothes.
    Because:
    Not in a larger sense, is there any industry or production.
    And so they sit on subsidies and subsidies.
    It will simply be a terrorist enclave, sponsored by the United States, to attack Russia from the south.
    But they will not be better off living for sure. If only at the expense of the blood of a Russian soldier.
    1. 12061973
      12061973 29 July 2013 08: 51 New
      +8
      Yes, 95% of Caucasians do not want to leave Russia, now at least some semblance of order. Well, free vinegar subsidies are sweet, but why Russia needs the Caucasus without Russians is another question.
    2. tverskoi77
      tverskoi77 29 July 2013 12: 43 New
      +3
      For Avrom Shmulevich, the main task is to start a war in the Caucasus, ideally with the global participation of Russia with the united peoples of the Caucasus. And then go to the ashes.
  31. nemec55
    nemec55 29 July 2013 08: 37 New
    +7
    While our bureaucrats are pulling the budget, such mushrooms bring a split into society when they are poisoned. When they are already afraid to speak in view of the inevitability of punishment. Where is this mushroom Dagir Khasavov who promised to fill Moscow with blood if we don’t live according to the Shmariat? Why didn’t they give him 9 grams of lead yet? But most of all enrage that our authorities will first bring the matter to a boil and then our 18-year-old soldiers should be blown away.
  32. Taurus
    Taurus 29 July 2013 08: 40 New
    11
    Another provocative nonsense with a photo of an uncle, seemingly with three entities, that is, by the definition of an intellectual who lives in a geyropa and who needs to know a dress code with a wildly untidy beard, in which, as you look, you can’t get rid of the idea that lice and fleas frolic in it and fuck, carrying a purely State Department stupid nonsense. If this grandfather were Russian, then probably in the corresponding photo, the Russian intellectual would be sitting in an earflaps and sweatshirt and, luring the crumpled white beloved, would broadcast the same thing. By the way, judging by the cap, this is quite possible just a Jew. Then everything becomes even clearer.
    1. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 29 July 2013 10: 36 New
      +3
      Quote: Taurus
      Another provocative nonsense

      No, judging by the article, DUTER it was just excellent, the eco-bearded man unfastened laughing
  33. Constantine
    Constantine 29 July 2013 08: 52 New
    +7
    more than half of Russians do not mind the separation of the Caucasus.


    The author relied on the Levada Center? Any sane resident of Russia understands that the Caucasian question was created artificially, and the separation of any region from Russia will be immediately used by the West to divide it into separate components. sad

    And in general, for good, the article falls under the Criminal Code of the Russian Federation regarding separatism since The article clearly shows an attempt to introduce the necessary idea. fool

    Article minus. To the moderators is another question. Why are you skipping such articles? Do you really, during moderation, do not see what you are missing? Why do we need moderation if articles from unreliable resources, as well as articles of dubious purpose like this, get to the masses? sad
    1. nemec55
      nemec55 29 July 2013 09: 02 New
      +3
      May sue the moderators for distributing extremist literature. am
      1. Constantine
        Constantine 29 July 2013 09: 08 New
        +3
        Quote: nemec55
        May sue the moderators for distributing extremist literature.


        I suspect that only 1 moderator is involved in this. At least, when I raised the question about this in correspondence with one of the moderators, it was clear that he was not completely aware that there was a purposeful pumping up of the audience. That Moder, however, works mainly on the playground from the VO site.

        It is necessary for chief administrators to write. This subversive activity, in the long run, will not lead to good. Yesterday a tape, today a crystal-white tape APN (you just look at this resource itself), and tomorrow what? We will discuss Navalny / Naganov’s articles and their entire brethren? sad
        1. nemec55
          nemec55 29 July 2013 09: 19 New
          +5
          I completely agree with you, it is necessary to control the moderators as they are people too and can be completely spoiled (with a dash)
          1. Alexander Romanov
            Alexander Romanov 29 July 2013 10: 41 New
            +3
            Quote: nemec55
            it is necessary to control the mods as they are people too and can be completely spoiled (with a douche)

            That's right, moderators are such villains, everyone needs to be controlled and put controllers over moderators, otherwise you never know laughing
            1. Constantine
              Constantine 29 July 2013 12: 40 New
              +3
              Alexander Romanov, question. Are you just moderators on articles and comments different, or do you have authority for all of the above? smile
              1. Alexander Romanov
                Alexander Romanov 29 July 2013 14: 26 New
                +2
                Quote: Constantine
                You are only moderators on articles and comments are different,

                Moderators have no relation to articles at all; articles are moderated by admins hi
                1. Constantine
                  Constantine 29 July 2013 15: 18 New
                  +2
                  Quote: Alexander Romanov
                  Moderators have no relation to articles at all; articles are moderated by admins


                  Thanks for the info. Then the situation is doubly strange hi
                  1. Alexander Romanov
                    Alexander Romanov 29 July 2013 15: 20 New
                    +1
                    Quote: Constantine
                    . Then the situation is doubly strange

                    Why it’s strange, they try to select articles with different perspectives on certain events and for different generations.
                    1. Constantine
                      Constantine 29 July 2013 15: 27 New
                      +3
                      Quote: Alexander Romanov
                      Why it’s strange, they try to select articles with different perspectives on certain events and for different generations.


                      This article, as I already said, draws on the Criminal Code of the Russian Federation, and articles about the 400 billionth aircraft carrier, "prosralipolymers", ambulances for millions of dollars, rockets of 1.250k bucks each, etc., except for fierce disputes out of the blue, due to the non-confirmation of information, they do not bring anything worthwhile. smile
                      1. Fedych
                        Fedych 29 July 2013 16: 49 New
                        +2
                        Or maybe it’s a test for lice and the presence of the rest of the brain and the mind of some of us? - and why not! And then you look at the article, numerous comments on it and think, and the topic, the gibbers from an empty head pecking at her unmeasured. It’s what you think, it’s at least one of those quietly pecking at any rubbish, working somewhere, about something, at least once in their life, they thought, or how they want to muffle street mongrels on everyone passing by and that's all. And all this space is called Russia. Yes, the old woodman is still a lot of pains, and the people from the described by N.V. Gogol in Dead Souls, oh how unmeasured, live in them! - Russia's uncle from the same little pitriots.
                    2. Ivan.
                      Ivan. 29 July 2013 16: 54 New
                      +2
                      lives its sediment on those who have a poor knowledge of the situation and will lead to a distorted perception of it (all the more so since it has been doing it for decades and therefore the "ground" is fertile and has already given rise to professionally inflated conflicts), a journalist should understand this first of all. And for those who want to navigate in the panos of the "opposition" SMD, nothing prevents them from visiting. And it turns out that a kind of patriotic VO is relaying hostile voices. But one of the reasons that patriotic people are registered here is that there are few similar pan-throws that fill everything and you can discuss what really excites and not to mess around around these throws.
                    3. Ivan.
                      Ivan. 29 July 2013 17: 05 New
                      +2
                      Quote: Alexander Romanov
                      Why it’s strange, they try to select articles with different perspectives on certain events and for different generations.

                      This is not an article, but an informational throw-up and not the first one, an analogy - if circles are thrown into the water, then here, frankly provocative, lying “information” will postpone its sediment to those who have poor knowledge of the situation and lead to distorted perception (especially since this they’ve been doing it for decades and that’s why the “soil” is fertile and has already given rise to conflicts professionally inflated), a journalist should understand this first of all. And for those who want to navigate in the panas of the "opposition" SMD, nothing prevents them from visiting. And it turns out that a kind of patriotic VO is relaying hostile voices. But one of the reasons that patriotic people are registering here is that there are few similar Pan-Throws stuffing that have filled everything and you can discuss what really excites and not to dangle around these stuffing.
                2. Essenger
                  29 July 2013 15: 23 New
                  +6
                  Quote: Alexander Romanov
                  Moderators have no relation to articles at all; articles are moderated by admins

                  I would like to ask. What is the function of the moderators, in addition to deleting comments?
        2. Ivan.
          Ivan. 29 July 2013 16: 00 New
          +4
          Quote: Constantine
          That Moder, however, works mainly on the playground from the VO site.

          Wow! laughing
          On the topic - at least they would indicate who posted the article here, or even sheer anonymism, the refuge of liberals. Here they are trying to fight our brains with impunity.
          1. Constantine
            Constantine 29 July 2013 16: 15 New
            +2
            Quote: Ivan.
            Wow!
            On the topic - at least they would indicate who posted the article here, or even sheer anonymism, the refuge of liberals. Here they are trying to fight our brains with impunity.


            On political review) There, here and on warfiles - a common base and personal account, which leads to the idea of ​​a common policy of access rights, etc. smile
            1. Ivan.
              Ivan. 29 July 2013 17: 12 New
              +2
              Quote: Constantine
              On political review

              You do not understand - "jerk" laughing - you don’t write that specifically.
      2. Alexander Romanov
        Alexander Romanov 29 July 2013 10: 38 New
        +5
        Quote: nemec55
        May sue the moderators

        Oh, another court threatens. Although what - let's meet, we’ll meet 200 grams each, everything is some kind of entertainment drinks laughing
  34. Bakht
    Bakht 29 July 2013 09: 10 New
    10
    During the Vietnam War, there was a joke among the US military.

    How to end the war in Vietnam? Very simple. Divide all Vietnamese into loyal and disloyal. Disloyal to shoot everyone. Put the loyal on ships and take them out to sea. And drown there. And asphalt the country and turn it into a parking lot.

    Still think - is it a joke?
    1. max702
      max702 29 July 2013 11: 52 New
      +4
      Cynical but practical ...
  35. Standard Oil
    Standard Oil 29 July 2013 09: 15 New
    +6
    It’s interesting, when they give statistics on the attitude of Russians about the separation of the Caucasus, what kind of “Russians” did they interview? Does Russia feed the Caucasus nothing but “dancers”, do they think the Americans will arrange for them to have paradise on earth there? From the Americans they will get a maximum plate of baland from centennial military reserves, maybe they will give the old Kalash and show them the direction to the nearest Russian checkpoint, where all the "heroic warriors of the prophet" are likely to die, and there will be no trips to Bentley or dancing in the city center, but there will be a bullet of 7,62 in the head and a dirty gutter for corpses. It seems that in the 19th century there were such people as the Circassians, and there was such a "lamp of democracy and the leader of the free world" as the British Empire, and so the Circassians believed the assurances of its representatives that they launched attacks on Russian settlements and killed unarmed people they’ll “win independence and glory for themselves,” it all ended with the almost complete disappearance of the Circassians as an ethnic group. And in London they just shrugged, it didn’t work, don’t get it moose, it’s okay and they brushed away the pawn from the table. Understand gentlemen, “faithful warriors of the prophet” for your foreign “friends”, you just don’t give a damn about them to you and, like the Circassian pawn, you sweep it off the table without blinking an eye, do you need it?
  36. slvevg
    slvevg 29 July 2013 09: 15 New
    +5
    And again, the repetition of history - all revolutionary cadres are forged in the West (I won’t be surprised if in London). Highlanders will never build a secular state, and the standard of living, education, etc. for most of the population, it will only be a dream in short breaks between grazing flocks of sheep. The aggressiveness inherent in religion has already taken root in the DNA structure of these peoples, and Russia is the irritant to which the "warriors of Allah" divert their attention. The rest of the ordinary working population, meanwhile, can live in peace. Russia will leave - inside the massacre, and with the smaller neighbors endless wars. Rolling the region in the Middle Ages, where a wooden mallet will be a common anesthesia ...
    1. Avenger711
      Avenger711 29 July 2013 09: 36 New
      +1
      Revolutionaries are not born just at the borders, where the weakness of the Empire leads to internal or external aggression wars, but in a quiet remote place where you can safely sit and talk about "universal values."
  37. seller trucks
    seller trucks 29 July 2013 09: 20 New
    +3
    According to polls, more than half of Russians do not mind separating the Caucasus.


    Levada Center? in the furnace, article minus (-) Who gave the right to share the integrity of Russia.
  38. 12345
    12345 29 July 2013 09: 21 New
    +5
    Russia is not able to restore order ...


    Jews are bored sitting alone in the Middle East in guano, on their very eyebrows, alone. So, Mr. Shmulevich - he is trying his best to "sow the wind", urging him to act exclusively by force "methods" a la Israel.
  39. deman73
    deman73 29 July 2013 09: 24 New
    +3
    What is this disguised Ingush right by the way
  40. Normal
    Normal 29 July 2013 09: 31 New
    +5
    The article is of course a minus. The author is a militant Zionofascist, the interviewee is an ethno-fascist. Both are two, two wings.
    But what is said takes place. You can resent and put up minuses as much as you like, but there is no one to stop the process. Russians become less and less. The fact that population decline is stopped is most likely self-deception. Firstly, it is pro-government statistics. Secondly, this was achieved through emigration and high fertility in the northern Caucasus.
    The policy of the authorities leads precisely to what the article says. If the policy of Russia in the Caucasus and the policy towards the Caucasians in Russia (and I believe that its power is not capable of changing it) is fundamentally changed, then the second Caucasian war and the separation of the Caucasus are inevitable (and this is, at best, in the worst capture of Russia by the Caucasus and the destruction of Russia as a sovereign state). This is a matter of time. The situation can be saved only in the event of the collapse of the United States or the collapse of the monarchies of the bay. That is, only due to external factors. Internal factors play against Russia.
    1. Bakht
      Bakht 29 July 2013 09: 40 New
      +5
      The policy of the Russian authorities in relation to the Caucasus (and not only) comes down to one thing - cutting the dough. As Kadyrov stated, “I don’t know where the money comes from. Allah sends.” I like what he calls Putin.

      For politics to change, you need to change power in the Kremlin. And this is today from the realm of utopia. Nobody has done measurements in the Moscow river for a long time. Aurora will not pass.

      By the way, as a non-Russian person living in the near abroad, I can say. It is not worth making friends with the Russia that is now. It's a pity. Yet I am "made in the USSR."
      1. Sour
        Sour 29 July 2013 14: 16 New
        0
        Do you have better power in Azerbaijan? Closer to the people? "You shouldn’t be friends with Russia." And do you get stuffed as friends?
        1. alone
          alone 29 July 2013 14: 23 New
          +4
          authorities have never said that it is not worth making friends with Russia. not one normal politician will say such a thing. but many are friends with us, starting from Belarus in Kazakhstan, etc. and the fact that many distance themselves from Russia, so you yourself are to blame
        2. Bakht
          Bakht 29 July 2013 15: 53 New
          +7
          Power in Azerbaijan is no better. We do not compare. And it turns out on the principle of "look at yourself."

          Nobody gets stuffed with friends. And this is bad. We lived together for 70 years, but now we don’t want to? But for some reason, our president goes to Moscow, and yours to Baku.

          The meaning of my phrase was that if there was a pro-Russian government in Russia, then I would be friends with such Russia. And why should I be friends with a pro-American? I'd rather be friends with the States (I personally do not want to). Is this the reason that the outskirts have broken away from Russia? I'm just saying my opinion. Do not like it - you can not give a damn and forget.

          Yes, just don’t tell me that a nationally oriented government is sitting in Russia. In the last six months, something like this has been moving. But an ardent Russophobe Brzezinski once recently noticed with sarcasm. “Enough to scare us with Russia, ballistic missiles and Iskanders. No one will drop atomic bombs on cities where children of the Russian elite study, where their money and real estate are located. This tiger is already tamed.

          Think about it. And how your Putin began to return money to Russia (by the way, absolutely correctly) so in the Parliament the epidemic of divorces swept. And it all started with the President himself.
      2. rereture
        rereture 29 July 2013 14: 56 New
        -1
        I once visited the Azerbaijani forum. Direct calls to hate Russians and Russia. Without hesitation in the expressions, Azerbaijanis call Russian animals not worthy of living.
        1. alone
          alone 29 July 2013 15: 35 New
          +7
          in a family it’s not without a freak this time. secondly, if the society supported such calls, I don’t think that those Russians in the amount of about 150000 people would have remained in Azerbaijan (by the way, the largest Russian diaspora in the Caucasus). but what fools write on local forums doesn’t solve anything. if you want to see how they relate to Russians, buy a ticket to Baku and come))) welcome
          1. tilovaykrisa
            tilovaykrisa 29 July 2013 15: 48 New
            0
            Are you also hospitable to Armenians?
            1. Bakht
              Bakht 29 July 2013 15: 59 New
              +5
              Not to everyone.

              I have a lot of Armenian friends. They are adequate people. I treat everyone well. I share people according to the principle: normal-abnormal. By nationality, I somehow do not care.
              1. tilovaykrisa
                tilovaykrisa 29 July 2013 16: 05 New
                +1
                So you are from 40 years old?))
                1. Bakht
                  Bakht 29 July 2013 16: 51 New
                  +1
                  I'm old :-) A lot more than 40 :-)
            2. alone
              alone 29 July 2013 16: 11 New
              +5
              consider that you are asking a question to the citizens of the USSR in 1941, how do they relate to citizens of the Third Reich)))
            3. smersh70
              smersh70 29 July 2013 16: 12 New
              +3
              Quote: tilovaykrisa
              Are you also hospitable to Armenians?



              to ordinary people, of course !!!!!!!!!!! we have at least 30000 Armenians living .... and even one seat of parliament was given to Armenians in the Khankendin district .. the truth is because of the war there are no elections ... .we have problems with the leadership of Armenia ..... as occupying 20% ​​of the territory ...... that's all ..... hi
        2. Bakht
          Bakht 29 July 2013 15: 58 New
          +4
          You, apparently, are not on those forums. Tell me on which one and I'll see who writes such things there. I’m not very often, but I’ve been to Azerbaijani forums. I have never read or heard such a thing. Check baku.ru or disput.az

          On the contrary, quite often Azerbaijanis want to be friends with Russia. But I can only repeat my opinion. Do not throw friends and they will be friends with you.

          PS I warn you in advance. On baku.ru you can find very harsh statements about Russia. But not from the Baku people. This is written by immigrants from Baku (Russians and Jews) who have long settled in the States. And there I communicate with them quite sharply. I have the same nickname there as here.
  41. Avenger711
    Avenger711 29 July 2013 09: 34 New
    -2
    Thanks, neighing. The departure was already in the 90s. And now everything is silent, or we’ll crush the tanks. About local "elites" do not tell, they are not there.
  42. Alexey Prikazchikov
    Alexey Prikazchikov 29 July 2013 09: 36 New
    0
    What kind of stupid nonsense is this, what the heck is the prophecy, the author goes to a psychiatrist for a long treatment with a lot of galloperidol.
  43. Djozz
    Djozz 29 July 2013 09: 51 New
    +5
    The problem is that this ghoul on Caucasian sites finds understanding in the fragile minds of young mountaineers experiencing an inferiority complex!
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    2. 12061973
      12061973 29 July 2013 14: 08 New
      +1
      Quote: Djozz
      The problem is that this ghoul on Caucasian sites finds understanding in the fragile minds of young mountaineers experiencing an inferiority complex!

      and not only highlanders. Dmitry Sergeevich Sokolov. A young Moscow bastard deceived his mother by running away to the forest pederasts, and his family is looking for him with all his might, even turned on the program “Wait for me”, thinking that his son was gone. And while the girls from the VIDA are knocking down, looking for a freak, does he kill someone in the gang? That's right, our fellow citizens.
  44. Owl
    Owl 29 July 2013 09: 52 New
    +7
    This enemy, prepared for clever statements about the separation of the republics from Russia, it is not clear why and why the author of this material presents this anti-Russian agitation with explicit approval.
    1. Constantine
      Constantine 29 July 2013 09: 54 New
      +7
      Quote: Eagle Owl
      This enemy, prepared for clever statements about the separation of the republics from Russia, it is not clear why and why the author of this material presents this anti-Russian agitation with explicit approval.


      And you open the source of the article and look at the general rhetoric. wink The article is taken from a resource that serves the interests of the West, as well as feed from their money. smile Hence the article is as follows)
  45. uhjpysq1
    uhjpysq1 29 July 2013 09: 53 New
    -4
    And then that is nonsense right away. because they think so. sleep and see how they expel the Russians. Well, for them we are invaders and infidels. I personally am for the separation of chocks. when they become independent it will be possible to calmly bomb them for real.
    1. Djozz
      Djozz 29 July 2013 10: 00 New
      +5
      And what to do with the Stavropol Territory, this is where the expansion of the Caucasians with the approval of corrupt local authorities.
    2. antiaircrafter
      antiaircrafter 29 July 2013 10: 23 New
      +3
      Quote: uhjpysq1
      when they become independent it will be possible to calmly bomb them for real.

      At the same time, one will have to fend off the attacks of various “human rights activists”, and independent states will have to bomb.
      As long as they are within our common borders - all the showdowns are internal affairs and no London and Washington can get into them.
    3. Owl
      Owl 29 July 2013 11: 35 New
      +9
      You did not join the Caucasus, you did not defend it, and it is not for you to decide the question of the secession of the Caucasus.
  46. Sochi
    Sochi 29 July 2013 10: 01 New
    +4
    My interlocutor is Ingush, three higher educations, historical, legal, foreign language, 35 years old - The presence of education does not guarantee the presence of mind ... And it’s nonsense that this is not at all a comrade here ...
    1. AleksUkr
      AleksUkr 29 July 2013 11: 01 New
      +2
      Education and education. There is even a big difference. Diplomas are pieces of paper confirming that he was sitting at his desk. But knowledge and practice plus is already something. They say that they are intellectually developed. The article is definitely a HUGE MINUS. I would like to ask a question to administrators - do not you understand that such articles are worse than a solid mate on the forum? After all, forum participants, like the majority of the population, do not all correctly and meaningfully approach the assessment of the submitted data. And this is a minus ...
      1. Sochi
        Sochi 29 July 2013 11: 08 New
        0
        So I’m writing about that ... delusional delirium pretending to dream out of reality.
      2. bddrus
        bddrus 29 July 2013 11: 14 New
        +2
        Diplomas - pieces of paper confirming that he was sitting at a desk
        - and this is not even a fact - sometimes just pieces of paper for denyuzhki
  47. treskoed
    treskoed 29 July 2013 10: 17 New
    +4
    So there is historical experience. L.P. Beria did pretty good!
  48. Nikitin
    Nikitin 29 July 2013 10: 18 New
    +4
    In the 80s, an article about the program of the collapse of the USSR, most of our citizens would also be called "nonsense." And here the theses from a specific program of action for further dismemberment of Russia seem to be given. I do not exclude that the ghoul with the three higher ones is being prepared in the bowels of the Mossad or Mi-5 for the role of the future imam. The enemy must be known in person. Well, two more lit up. More to such articles!
  49. Kiliny
    Kiliny 29 July 2013 10: 21 New
    +7
    Quote: paul1969
    in the USSR there was such a unit - the department of criminal investigation - but with a foreign nucleon and reassured such forever, now something this office was closed, but in vain ...


    At the disposal of the British newspaper The Daily Telegraph was a copy of the order of the FSB of Russia on the creation of special units to fight people who are wanted in Russia, but who left its borders. According to the publication, the document was signed by Mikhail Nechaev, who headed the FSB Counterintelligence Service at that time.
    The order has the signature stamp "Secret. For official use. Do not copy." This order is about countering extremism. It, in particular, refers to the search, identification and possible return to Russia of people accused of terrorism and committing “especially serious crimes against citizens of the Russian Federation or against the Russian state and government”.

    According to the text of the order, by special order, agents are allowed, including the elimination of targets in other countries (mention is made, in particular, of neighboring countries and the European Union). The order also provides instructions for "intensive training" of units and individual agents "for work in Western Europe and the countries of the European Union."
    1. treskoed
      treskoed 29 July 2013 11: 21 New
      +1
      This is logical. Do not break the laws of the country - retaliation is inevitable!
    2. Djozz
      Djozz 29 July 2013 11: 50 New
      +3
      L.P. Beria had such a desk under the leadership of Sudoplatov, very effective!
    3. ded10041948
      ded10041948 29 July 2013 12: 01 New
      +2
      "Secret. For official use."
      What kind of news is this in secret office work? The admission form is 2,5? A link to The Daily Telegraph, so that the tail is not taken?
      1. antiaircrafter
        antiaircrafter 29 July 2013 13: 54 New
        +1
        Quote: ded10041948
        What kind of news is this in secret office work?

        Yes, I'm interested too.
        1. Djozz
          Djozz 29 July 2013 13: 59 New
          +2
          The paper will endure everything, as the Katyn "genuine documents" in the "Special Folder"
  50. Luger
    Luger 29 July 2013 10: 22 New
    +3
    The fact that the person who supposedly gives the interview is not entirely in his mind is unambiguous, but he is right in that there is no intelligible policy, lack of a clear and consistent position of the state. power, can lead to bloodshed and undesirable consequences, with this I completely agree.