Ukrainian Korsar ATGM: Ambiguous Impression

Ukraine is known for its attempts to enter the international arms market and gain a foothold on it. A few days ago, the Ukrainian media reported on the next development, which is expected to be able to find buyers and occupy its niche.

Information agency "Segodnya.ua" announces the testing of a new weapon system. A few days ago, tests of the anti-tank missile system (ATGM) RK-3 "Corsair" passed near Kiev. This ATGM was developed in the Design Bureau "Luch" and is designed to hit a wide range of targets. First of all, the targets of the Corsair are the enemy’s armored vehicles. In addition, the new ATGM, according to its creators, is able to destroy light watercraft, fortifications, helicopters and unmanned aerial vehicles. Thus, the newest Ukrainian ATGM is quite flexible in its application and is capable of solving a large number of tasks.

A characteristic feature of ATGM PK-3 "Corsair" is its appearance, due to the method of application. In this complex (perhaps only in its current version) there are no supporting devices, such as a tripod. The transport and launch container and missile guidance equipment are assembled in such a way that the operator of the complex must aim and fire, putting the Corsair on his shoulder. By this, the new Ukrainian ATGM resembles the FGM-148 Javelin American system of a similar purpose. However, in view of some peculiarities of views on the necessary qualities of anti-tank missiles, this is where all the similarities between the Ukrainian and American ATGMs end.

ATGM PK-3 "Corsair" with the P-3 rocket (s) andrei-bt.livejournal.com

The developers of the complex PK-3 "Corsair" claim that at present it has no analogues abroad and surpasses the existing developments of leading manufacturers in a number of parameters. The stated maximum range of destruction is up to a kilometer 2,5, which is said to be twice as large as the RPG-7 grenade launcher. The mass of the container with the rocket without control equipment - 13,5 kilogram. The complex can be used at air temperatures from -40 ° to + 60 °, which exceeds the corresponding capabilities of a number of foreign ATGMs. According to reports, one anti-tank complex "Corsair" will cost the customer about 130 thousand US dollars, one missile - about 20 thousand dollars. This is several times less than the cost of foreign weapons of similar purpose.

It is alleged that the Korsar ATGM system uses a laser beam control system. Thus, after the shot is fired, the operator must hold the target at the crosshair. Next, the rocket itself remains on the desired trajectory, capturing the laser beam sent by the launcher. Such an anti-tank missile guidance system has long been used in many complexes and is considered one of the most convenient, although not without flaws.

Light Korsar ATGM (c) btvt.narod.ru

The general director of the Ukroboronprom concern, which, among other enterprises, includes Luch Design Bureau, S. Gromov told Segodnya.UA reporters that the Korsar ATGM of the new generation is now in the final stages of development. This year it is planned to complete the project and present it to potential customers. The head of the state concern believes that the RC-3 complex will be the first system of this level proposed at the international level.

Announced information about the new Ukrainian anti-tank missile system looks ambiguous. On the one hand, Luch Design Bureau was able to apply some original developments in the Corsair project, but on the other hand, a number of the stated characteristics clearly do not reach the world's leading designs. For example, the range of destruction of targets up to two and a half kilometers is by definition not capable of distinguishing the Corsair against the background of other modern means of destruction, and comparing the range of firing of anti-tank systems and a rocket launcher in general looks like a bad joke. At the same time, at first glance, the insufficient range of the PK-3 may be justified and determined by the size and weight of the entire complex. However, the already mentioned American-made FGM-148 Javelin ATGM with approximately the same mass as the Corsair has a maximum launch range of about 4700-4800 meters.

Another specific feature of Corsair that can attract or deter a potential buyer is the method of application. The use of anti-tank guided missiles "from the shoulder" has long been a topic of lengthy debate. Not everyone agrees with the convenience of shooting in this way. It should be noted that in the case of the Ukrainian ATGM of the PK-3, another one is added to the already existing claims for such a launch technique. The fact is that the American Javelin complex, which also has no supporting devices, is made in accordance with the concept of “shot-and-forget”. Because of this, after firing, a fighter may lie on the ground or hide behind cover without putting himself at risk. A soldier armed with a Corsair will have to maintain his position for some time, directing the missile at the target. Rocket launch will give his position, and the laser guidance system will not allow to hide immediately. As a result, laser beam guidance and a specific method of launching in the most direct way can affect the loss of personnel.

In the light of specific indicators of firing range or safety of use in comparison with foreign systems of the same class, the PK-3 "Corsair" complex will have to attract potential buyers with other advantages. First of all, this is the price. This important parameter can seriously affect the solution of a potential customer and to some extent compensate for certain problems and shortcomings of a technical nature. Thus, you can roughly imagine for which part of the world arms market the latest Ukrainian development is intended.

In general, based on the available information, statements about the superiority of the new Ukrainian ATGM RK-3 "Corsair" over foreign counterparts can be considered too loud and hardly correspond to reality. Even the declared characteristics do not allow to see in it a certain exemplary project, on which it is worth being equal to foreign manufacturers of anti-tank weapons. At the same time, the very fact that Ukraine has created its own ATGM speaks volumes. This country demonstrates an enviable persistence in developing its own weapons and trying to enter the international market. If this persistence does not fade away, then the Corsair may be followed by more advanced anti-tank missile systems, the capabilities of which will allow competing with some representatives of the world elite of arms and military equipment manufacturers.


On the materials of the sites:
http://segodnya.ua/
http://vpk.name/
http://itar-tass.com/
http://bmpd.livejournal.com/

Comments

[sergey72]

"Dzhevlin" in Ukrainian?

[Greyfox]

No, not "Javelin". Rather "Metis" with bolted laser guidance and with a shooter's shoulder instead of a machine tool (and also much more modest characteristics in terms of armor penetration). The heavier "Cornet", with its declared 1200mm, did not always cope with the "Merkava". Who will the Corsair 550mm hunt? Apparently on armored personnel carriers and infantry fighting vehicles ....

[Professor]

Quote: Greyfox

The heavier "Cornet", with its declared 1200mm, did not always cope with the "Merkava".

In my opinion, only KAZ saved Cornet from Merkava.

Quote: Greyfox

Who will the Corsair 550mm hunt?

They will teach him how to make a slide and will burn any tank.

[Refund_SSSR]

Quote: professor

They will teach him how to make a slide and will burn any tank

Well, first you need to teach
And there we will "see"

[Professor]

Quote: We refund_SSSR

Well, first you need to teach

I suspect that this is what the engineer will do after returning from summer vacation. Technically, this is not very difficult.

[sergey72]

Quote: professor

They will teach him how to make a slide and will burn any tank.

And Merkavu too? (joke)

[Professor]

Quote: sergey72

And Merkavu too? (joke)

Impenetrable there are only idiots, tanks not penetrated does not exist.

[Shumka.]

Without a word, he put several of them to the professor. But this comment killed everything
generally fatty yplus.
For only real idiots remain real. I apologize for the sensor and the nerd of the planets and I am a stasrper.

[Hug]

It was better and impossible to answer!

[Greyfox]

Quote: professor

Quote: We refund_SSSR

Well, first you need to teach

I suspect that this is what the engineer will do after returning from summer vacation. Technically, this is not very difficult.

Professor, if everything were so simple, they would have taught the same light "Metis" long ago and would not have fenced in a garden with heavy "Cornets" and "Chrysanthemums". I also suspect that Russian designers still have more experience than Ukrainian, but for some reason they didn't teach them how to do it ...

[Professor]

Quote: Greyfox

Professor, if everything were so simple, they would have taught the same light "Metis" long ago and would not have fenced in a garden with heavy "Cornets" and "Chrysanthemums". I also suspect that Russian designers still have more experience than Ukrainian, but for some reason they didn't teach them how to do it ...

As far as I remember, in Metis they did not even put gyroscopes for the sake of its cheapness, which is why it is difficult for them to make a slide. In this papelats, as far as I can judge gyroscopes are available, the range to the target is known, it remains the case for small, to change the trajectory ...

There is another option, like on my favorite ATGM Bil2 which hits the roof with an impact core.

[dustycat]

Quote: professor

There is another option, like on my favorite ATGM Bil2 which hits the roof with an impact core.

So it would be easier to make such a grant for an RPG.
Moreover, there is such a warhead for Tornado and City.
Screw it on.

[Lopatov]

Technically, this is not possible. Moreover, with such dimensions and the mode of destruction from above on the span, it is very difficult to carry out - armor penetration will be completely childish.

Compare with the modern American, in which such a function

[Professor]

Quote: Spade

Technically, this is not possible.

More than possible. To do this, you only need to know the distance to the target.

[Lopatov]

More than possible. To do this, you only need to know the distance to the target.

And? .. A huge uncontrolled area, which means that shooting will be possible only on stationary tanks. That is why second-generation complexes making a slide do not exist.

[Professor]

Quote: Spade

And? .. A huge uncontrolled area, which means that shooting will be possible only on stationary tanks. That is why second-generation complexes making a slide do not exist.

1. The illumination of the target is carried out in any case, the distance is known, there is no problem making a slide.
2. The cornet does not fly directly to the target, but with some excess, and only before the very target falls to the line of sight. Isn't it a "slide"?

[Lopatov]

1. target illumination is not carried out. On the second generation complexes there is no GOS. No. Laser receiver located aft rockets.

2. That's right, it goes down in order to hit the side. Because otherwise the meeting angles will be too small. And even the armor penetration of the Kornet is not enough.

[Professor]

Quote: Spade

1. target illumination is not carried out. On the second generation complexes there is no GOS. None. The laser receiver is located in the stern of the rocket.

You can put it this way, or rather, it’s more accurate to say that the operator directs the beam at the tank, and not at the tail of the rocket, and that in turn follows this beam.

Quote: Spade

2. That's right, it lowers in order to hit the side.

Strikes aboard, returning to the line of sight in front of the target itself. That is how it is programmed. Change the algorithm and the rocket will make a slide.

Because otherwise the meeting angles will be too small. And even the armor penetration of the Kornet is not enough.

Open your mind, I don’t understand what you mean.

[Lopatov]

The operator directs the sight. The rest is done by automation. Including flying with an excess of missiles over the target.

Quote: professor

Open your mind, I don’t understand what you mean.

Armor penetration of the "Cornet" is 1000 mm. At a meeting angle of 10 degrees, twenty centimeters of armor will be enough to guarantee protection against it.

[Professor]

Quote: Spade

The operator directs the sight. The rest is done by automation. Including flying with an excess of missiles over the target.

And I’m just about that. Make an excess over the goal in the form of a hill and you will have a hill.

Quote: Spade

Armor penetration of the "Cornet" is 1000 mm. At a meeting angle of 10 degrees, twenty centimeters of armor will be enough to guarantee protection against it.

Now I understand and absolutely disagree. Making a slide, a rocket hits the tank from above almost normal to the armor, therefore Cornet will break through any tank with a margin and it will be possible to safely reduce armor penetration to 500 mm.

[Lopatov]

Will not be. Trite will not allow the equipment. You need to hit from angles close to normal. And the sensor in the stern of the rocket will lose the control signal. And to expand his field of view to angles close to 180 degrees is impossible.

Quote: professor

Making a slide, a rocket hits the tank from above almost normal to the armor

Losing the control signal. That is, it does not "hit", but falls past the tank

[dustycat]

Quote: Spade

Losing the control signal. That is, it does not "hit", but falls past the tank

How much does the last 30m rocket fly by?
In any case, the tank will not have time to move far.
Is it only on one caterpillar will spin.
And even in this case, the probability of defeat will be above 0,5.
Just in the geometry of the strike mechanism.

[Lopatov]

Sorry, we are not discussing a spherical horse, but a rocket. Which has inertia, high speed and small control surfaces.
Will leave, how to give a drink.

[beard999]

Quote: Spade

the defeat mode from above on the span is very difficult to carry out - armor penetration will be completely childish

"Children's"? In your opinion, what is the equivalent of armor provided by the upper projections of the turret and hull of modern MBT?
56nd generation ATGM “with indirect target attack” appeared before the 1985rd generation ATGM. The first was the RBS-3,79, which entered service in 105. With a warhead weight of 1992 kg, it provided 2 mm armor penetration. In 6,14, the TOW-3B appeared, with a warhead weight of 155 kg (video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CGBeiWD150koc). Is it childish? The Germans, consider their "SMArt-150", with 350 mm armor penetration, capable of defeating any modern MBT, without exception. They even made them combat gear for cluster warheads, their new KEPD-80/XNUMX missiles. You can recall the fact that in the competition AAWS, in the mid XNUMX's. In addition to Javelin, the creation of a new generation of ATGMs was also attended by Ford Aerospace ATGMs with an LLSN (completely similar to KBP, KBM, TOCHMASH ...), which implements target defeat during flight. This complex has been successfully tested.
So the implementation of the anti-roof munition, which carried out the defeat during the passage, is quite realizable and effective.

[Lopatov]

This is all good, of course. But did you pay attention to the geometric dimensions of missiles capable of hitting targets in flight? I hope you are aware that their cumulative funnel should be directed perpendicular to the rocket axis. With all that it implies. "Bill" has a diameter of 150 mm. Like the Tou. And the Ukrainian Corsair? The outer diameter of the TPK is 110, the missiles are even smaller. Where to fit?

[beard999]

Quote: Spade

Where to fit?

“Size,” of course, matters. But it is solvable. The examples of Western missiles that I have cited, of course, are made in a larger caliber than 107 mm in the Corsair rocket. But they were made in the 80s. last century. I don’t know how things are with this in Ukraine, but in Russia, of the ammunition I know, with UY, now, in the existing size of the Corsair rocket, they would fit in two. This is the 105 mm SFZ of the GSh-7VT shot, with armor penetration of 50 mm normal http://www.fkpgknipas.ru/nip/images/nipimages/warhead-8.jpg. This development dates back to the 90s. And the second, the same with the SFZ caliber of 105 mm, used in SPBE 122 mm RS 9M217. He UY already provides armor penetration at an angle of 30 degrees. from normal to armor, from a distance of 100 m - 70 mm of homogeneous steel armor ...
Perhaps the caliber of the rocket is worth increasing. For example, at least 130 mm. By the way, here, KBP wanted to do something similar to “Corsair” (designated as “Cornet-MR”, the same ATGM with a range of 2500 m), with a 152 mm caliber missile. There it is quite possible to deploy warheads (which implements tandem work) as in TOW-2B http://btvt.narod.ru/4/tow2.files/2b.jpg.
It is, in principle, that the creation of an effective anti-roof munition, with an HFRS, hitting targets about a span, is quite possible.

[dominatus]

Quote: We refund_SSSR

Well, first you need to teach
And there we will "see"

If you are ironic it is in vain. The same KB "Luch" created the ATGM "Combat", which he hovers over the target and attacks the target from the top. So that everything is possible. Remember, these are just the first steps.

At one time, the Russians were convinced that it was not possible to create their own KAZ in Ukraine, since Soviet technologies KAZ Drozd remained in Russia).
Ukraine has made its own KAZ. And what is more, Zaslon turned out to be several steps more perfect than the Russian Arena.

[Lopatov]

Complexes of the second generation cannot be taught to make a slide

[PLO]

theoretically still possible, but Corsair is really nonsense

[Lopatov]

It is theoretically possible, but cheaper to make a third-generation complex.

Here, a continuously working accurate rangefinder is needed, giving a range in real time, a headlamp that will be visible from all angles, control only by wire or a radio command, wide field of view of the rocket position monitoring device, which will very badly affect the noise immunity

[PLO]

Here and continuously working accurate rangefinder is needed

namely, and this will actually deprive such complexes with primary medical care of the main advantage in the absence of direct illumination of the goal, so that the KAZ does not work, so I absolutely agree that this is pointless

[dustycat]

Quote: Spade

Complexes of the second generation cannot be taught to make a slide

With a competent approach and no reason.

[dustycat]

Quote: professor

They will teach him how to make a slide and will burn any tank.

If you find idiots hanging around on the line of sight for so long.
In this parameter, he even loses RPG7.
If only the aiming station was smashed from the PU.
A laser homing - an analogue of a curtain will put a smoke curtain faster than a supply will fly. And you can’t hide in the bushes.

[bif]

Quote: professor

In my opinion, only KAZ saved Cornet from Merkava.

But you can. Nothing saved Merkava from Cornet before the advent of KAZ; now there is a chance.

[washi]

for use in the mountains and by terrorists

[dustycat]

Quote: Vasya

for use in the mountains and by terrorists

Enough for the terrorists and the Vampire.
In addition, any RPG has a kind of "let it go", but this misunderstanding of the technique is not.

[velikoros-xnumx]

Without a doubt that sooner or later there will be a reunion of our people, divided into Belovezhskaya Pushcha and therefore I wish good luck to the Ukrainian defense industry.

[dustycat]

Quote: velikoros-xnumx

Without a doubt that sooner or later there will be a reunion of our people, divided into Belovezhskaya Pushcha and therefore I wish good luck to the Ukrainian defense industry.

And the point is their stubbornness ?!

[Akim]

It may have good stats, but we also need disposable grenade launchers! The RPG-27 was practically not in time to enter the troops under the USSR, and for the price of this "toy" you can give every soldier in the battalion a launch tube. This bullshit is for export. The Ukrainian army will not pull it.

[seller trucks]

Quote: Akim

This garbage is for export. The Ukrainian army will not pull it.

my hello to you, whom you consider to be potential buyers, I read somewhere that a shot costs 20 000 green, it’s final, cheaper than the cost of the tank, but the RPG’s amusement is several times cheaper, it does not require operator training, after the death of which this thing becomes an expensive piece iron or trophy.

[Akim]

Quote: seller trucks

whom do you consider potential buyers

Whom I count - it makes no difference. I will not be asked when buying. In general, the countries of southeastern Europe need to update their ATGMs (Slovenia, Serbia, Croatia, Bosnia and Herzegovina), in general, the former Yugoslavia. Those who are not ready to pay for Eurospike and Javelin are crazy bucks. Pakistan and China are buying Kombats, which means they can also be potential buyers. Kuwait is not happy with the French Eryx (but there will be enough pennies for Javelins). Countries in South America that want to have not only the powerful Cornet, Skif or Brazilian MSS-1.2, but also something more portable. Thailand which already has 130-mm "Barriers" and 152-mm "Bumblebee". Sri Lanka, to which Russia will never sell anything. Vietnam. And probably someone else.

[a boat]

cheap and angry! we hope that this toy will not fall into the hands of terrorists, otherwise they will do a lot of grief

[dustycat]

Quote: gych

cheap and

...useless.
One benefit - they will manage to detect where it is firing and cover with a remote OFS grenade.

[Kars]

However, the aforementioned American-made FGM-148 Javelin ATGM with approximately the same weight as the Corsair has a maximum launch range of about 4700-4800 meters.

Operating range 75 to 2500 m
Maximum range 4750 m [ 3 ]
Warhead Tandem shaped charge HEAT
Warhead weight 8,4 kg (18,5 lb) [4]
Detonation
mechanism Impact force

Of course, it is understandable how Ukraine can do something))) for some it is unthinkable and does not fit into the head.

and comparing the firing range of ATGMs and a rocket launcher in general looks like an unfortunate joke

If the author thought, looked at the prices, he would not call it a joke. Ukrainian ATGMs at a rocket price did not go far from the prices of modern RPGs (RPG-7 we do not take into account) how much does RPG-32 cost?

[CTEPX]

Quote: Kars

At the price of a rocket, the Ukrainian anti-tank missile system was not far from the prices for modern RPGs (we do not take RPG-7 into account) how much does RPG-32 cost there?

Well, it’s worth comparing (by characteristics) with RPG-32)).
And RPG-7 - taxis)).

[Lopatov]

Quote: Kars

If the author thought, looked at the prices, then he would not call it a joke. The Ukrainian anti-tank missile system at a rocket price was not far from the prices of modern RPG

RPG-30 "Hook" costs 80 tr. That is 2.5 thousand dollars. Eight times cheaper. And at the same time it is able to overcome KAZ

[Rumata]

Quote: Spade

And at the same time able to overcome KAZ

Can one learn in more detail due to what he is able to overcome KAZ?

[Lopatov]

Two rockets in a row. Yes, don’t worry, we haven’t delivered them to Syria yet.

[Kars]

Quote: Spade

RPG-30 "Hook" costs 80 tr. That is 2.5 thousand dollars. Eight times cheaper. And at the same time it is able to overcome KAZ

That's just the sense of him at distances of more than three hundred meters. However, it is not a fact that he can overcome the KAZ. Too trite. And not reliable. And this if you take the price for the real one. And is it for the domestic consumer or for export?

[Lopatov]

I did not start talking about comparing the prices of ATGMs and RPGs

[Kars]

Quote: Spade

I did not start talking about comparing the prices of ATGMs and RPGs

And so? I don’t mind continuing the comparison. For now, this device is preferable for me to watch. Even if I reduce the range to 1000 m. From an RPG on a moving target, an average-trained fighter from 200-300 meters will get vryatli from 10 times-2-in non-firing conditions .
And the price of a corsair is a priori exported.

[PLO]

try to imagine a fighter who will direct this missile from his shoulder at a distance of 2 km, keeping the mark on the target with SHOULDER for about 10 seconds.
Roughly speaking, one cannot even sneeze at this time. and the enemy you know will not sleep at that time either.
at the same distances where the Corsair will be more or less effective, RPGs can be compared with it, but grenade launchers will still be more effective due to the much lower price and the absence of the need to keep the aim on the target after a shot (and at close distances this becomes very important)

understand, the point here is not the technical implementation of this complex (it can be quite on the level), but the fact that the idea of ​​this ATGM is initially flawed.

[Alexey M]

It has no analogues in the world. It is understandable. Zaporozhets also had no analogues. Another PR.

[Akim]

Quote: Alexey M

It has no analogues in the world. It is understandable. Zaporozhets also had no analogues

Yesterday I watched "Zvezda" about the parade in Sevastopol. The same was said about the missile boat on the VP. None of our advertisers suffer from garbage.

[Conepatus]

Quote: Alexey M

It has no analogues in the world. It is understandable. Zaporozhets also had no analogues. Another PR.

Actually "Zaporozhets" is a simplified NSO "Prince"

[CTEPX]

Quote: Conepatus

Actually "Zaporozhets" is a simplified NSO "Prince"

Not true)). Zaporozhets is an independent development and surpasses the prince in all respects)). And just a cool car! Best in class)).

[Conepatus]

Yeah. I mean the parameters, I liked it the most.

[Akim]

In continuation. From a neighboring article:

According to him, "Arbalet-2" is a parachute system that has no analogues in the world.

How do you like it?

[Imperial]

Buddy Akim! Nothing so easy? You will not praise yours, so who then? ))) Advertising is the engine of trade, you have to BELIEVE in your own way, I agree with both your defense industry and ours, any actions are good, they help us survive, the movement is life, I'm sorry that something incurred me.)))

[Akim]

Quote: Imperial

You will not praise yours, so who then? ))) The advertisement is engine of the trade

I do not argue, you just need to sometimes notice the "beam in your own eye. I, after the American advertising rink (where they have everything super ), about our attempts of advertisers, I stopped not paying attention. But got these reproaches. Themselves are no better!

[Professor]

My fly in the ointment ...
The PU looks clumsy, an aluminum rectangular box with lamb for adjustment. With sharp corners, when carrying or running, the fighter will beat off all his knees, there is no handle for carrying. Cable plug as in the 17th century. For a product for $ 120 thousand, they could have taken an ergonomics specialist. I understand that the Soviet design school did not pay attention to the convenience of the fighter, but it seems that the time is not right anymore, and they seemed to be going to export.
It is unclear how much they weigh and how much battery they have.

PS
The viewfinder is open, nothing will be visible in the sun in it.

[Conepatus]

With the current funding of the defense industry, the very appearance of this masterpiece looks fantastic.

[Vlad_Mir]

Comparing ATGMs with RPGs is at least strange. Cornet-D range of defeat up to 10 km. You can compare and so ...

[dustycat]

Quote: Vlad_Mir

Comparing ATGMs with RPGs is at least strange. Cornet-D range of defeat up to 10 km. You can compare and so ...

Cornet, however, is far from an RPG.

[Massik]

It’s rather cumbersome, while the attachment of the guidance unit to the launcher looks weak, the laser beam hasn’t gone where yet, yet there’s no reason to use the ATGM from 300-500 meters and the grenade launcher can handle it, and there’s not much danger to the fighter except a stray shell or bullets ...

[Sineys]

Was there something about the lack of a tripod? Article slag. Trendy conclusions are drawn from one photograph. The question is studied superficially.

[Lopatov]

Are you aware that there is no Corsair in your photo?

[sergey69]

It could be anti-tank skif

[Lopatov]

Apparently this is "Stugna-P"

[Mister X]

Quote: Spade

Apparently this is "Stugna-P"

Right, he.

This complex was going to be adopted by the Ukrainian army in 2011
The manufacturer claims that the range of Stugna-P missiles reaches 4 km.
UR complex "Stugna-P" were created on the basis of missiles "Stugna", designed to be launched through a cannon barrel.

And "Corsair" is a light version of this complex.
R-3 rockets for it were demonstrated in Istanbul at the IDEF-2013 exhibition.

[avdkrd]

The article is generally incomprehensible from which he is sucked. I am not a fan of the Ukrainian military-industrial complex, but despite the almost complete collapse of statehood, Ukrainians manage to implement quite decent things. By the way, the length of the FGM-148 Javelin is 2500m. Where did the author suck 4700-4800m ???
The article is just chernukha, without an objective review of the possibilities.

[Lopatov]

This is the range of the old, unmodernized Javelin. In addition, it implements the "fire and forget" principle.

[seller trucks]

that would not offer Ukraine on the arms market everything: unparalleled or the best, but in fact it turns out either to the table or in pieces. But I can absolutely say for sure that they will not deliver ATGMs to Ukraine, NATO member countries are unlikely to buy it, it will be expensive for the rest.

http://topwar.ru/31289-ukraina-ispytala-novyy-protivotankovyy-kompleks.html#comm
ent-id-1360788

On 25 of July, after posting the comment, they threw minuses (-) to my post, to my heart about birds. but in fact I was right, extremely annoying Ukrainian populism.

[chunga-changa]

Comparing RPGs and ATGMs is still strange. It's like comparing the most sophisticated bike to the simplest motorcycle. The difference in price may not be big, but the "motor" is fundamentally different.

[tilovaykrisa]

and it depends on where to use it, in the city, for example, RPG29 may be more interesting and more comfortable and cheaper, easier than any ATGM.

[a boat]

Quote: dustycat

Quote: gych

cheap and

...useless.
One benefit - they will manage to detect where it is firing and cover with a remote OFS grenade.

overshoot!

[tilovaykrisa]

Well, not Jewelin of course, and the unit of equipment is healthy and the thing itself is dimensional, if you only use the strong Ukrainian lad from the shoulder, the Arabs will not be able to keep it.

[Bersaglieri]

Quote: Greyfox

No, not Javelin. Rather, Metis with bolted laser guidance and with a shooter's shoulder instead of a machine tool (and also much more modest characteristics in terms of armor penetration)

He himself is.
Well, the element base is fresher, by itself (Metis (not M) was created in the 70s)

[sergey158-29]

And I would add another thermal seeker and the complex would turn into a "shot and forget", and of course a cumulative element for "work from above"! Well, 2,5 km is normal, for the European "theater of action", perhaps only for the "desert" - not enough !!

[Hauptam]

And why argue that if there was something worthwhile, the amers would have tried it on for a long time, or "whatever Georgians," they placed an order in Ukraine. And so it is not interesting to anyone, all this has already passed the above-listed USA and the USSR. The same eggs are only seen from the side.

[Dr livsy]

So you started a controversy on the topic "and if my grandmother would have ...". In these design bureaus, people are no more stupid than you, and for some reason they chose just such a solution to the problems posed. And apparently the argumentation was also sufficient.

now, in order, let's start with the notorious "slide" of the professor (here it was given to you). The slide as an aerobatics element implies quite serious transverse overloads on the rocket body, this time. the rocket is long, from fast maneuvering either the fuck will break or destabilize.
Further, at a rocket speed of even 200 m / s (especially if there is a transonic rocket with 350 m / s!) For this maneuver you need a place with a kilometer minimum! now guess at what distance the most effective fire is supposed to be? I think 500-800 meters. and then the rocket went so beautifully up the hill, and then simply failed to go down to the level of the target and went into milk. Therefore, the designers and made a fast rocket with great armor penetration, so that it could penetrate the side projection.

[Dr livsy]

Now, regarding the guidance on the collective farm beam, without a tripod and "fire-forget".
1. the collective farm beam leaves the operator the opportunity to correct the missile in flight to the target. And this opportunity is worth a lot. Well, if the enemy pinned the fire, you can always hide by giving the missile a lead. The system is configured so that the rocket does not go crazy and walks in a straight line when the signal is lost.
2. The complex is designed for operational support and support of the infantry. That is, outright, from the march, from the run, as it will be shorter. And to drag this shaitan weighing 15 kilos on his hump for a soldier. it is in plc for a machine gun, armor, cartridges, helmet. The tripod will weigh another 10 kilos, plus the cable will add a couple more kilos. Plus time to deploy and install. And the enemy, of course, will nobly say "of course, of course, I will wait while you put your toys on."
3. "fire and forget" systems imply 2 types of work: they memorize the static position of a point and lead a rocket into it. that is, the rocket will arrive there. where you sent it, and not an inch to the side. That is, you have no opportunity to fix anything after the shot.
The second type is an active seeker. The thermal one will not work, the tank does not heat up like a helicopter, the dust pole and other beauties will perfectly spread the heat spot. Laser I do not know how they work and whether there are any atky. Remains radar. But GOS alone stands like heels of such complexes assembled in a gift box with cognac.

[Sadikoff]

Yes, you don’t need any slides — the goal can be put out of action by putting in the head part of the charge with an electromagnetic pulse.

[Sergei75]

Moreover, this system can be used against concrete structures, its long-term volume, and the slide there may not be able to ride.