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Ukrainian Korsar ATGM: Ambiguous Impression

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Ukraine is known for its attempts to enter the international arms market and gain a foothold on it. A few days ago, the Ukrainian media reported on the next development, which is expected to be able to find buyers and occupy its niche.


Information agency "Segodnya.ua" announces the testing of a new weapon system. A few days ago, tests of the anti-tank missile system (ATGM) RK-3 "Corsair" passed near Kiev. This ATGM was developed in the Design Bureau "Luch" and is designed to hit a wide range of targets. First of all, the targets of the Corsair are the enemy’s armored vehicles. In addition, the new ATGM, according to its creators, is able to destroy light watercraft, fortifications, helicopters and unmanned aerial vehicles. Thus, the newest Ukrainian ATGM is quite flexible in its application and is capable of solving a large number of tasks.

A characteristic feature of ATGM PK-3 "Corsair" is its appearance, due to the method of application. In this complex (perhaps only in its current version) there are no supporting devices, such as a tripod. The transport and launch container and missile guidance equipment are assembled in such a way that the operator of the complex must aim and fire, putting the Corsair on his shoulder. By this, the new Ukrainian ATGM resembles the FGM-148 Javelin American system of a similar purpose. However, in view of some peculiarities of views on the necessary qualities of anti-tank missiles, this is where all the similarities between the Ukrainian and American ATGMs end.

Ukrainian Korsar ATGM: Ambiguous Impression
ATGM PK-3 "Corsair" with the P-3 rocket (s) andrei-bt.livejournal.com


The developers of the complex PK-3 "Corsair" claim that at present it has no analogues abroad and surpasses the existing developments of leading manufacturers in a number of parameters. The stated maximum range of destruction is up to a kilometer 2,5, which is said to be twice as large as the RPG-7 grenade launcher. The mass of the container with the rocket without control equipment - 13,5 kilogram. The complex can be used at air temperatures from -40 ° to + 60 °, which exceeds the corresponding capabilities of a number of foreign ATGMs. According to reports, one anti-tank complex "Corsair" will cost the customer about 130 thousand US dollars, one missile - about 20 thousand dollars. This is several times less than the cost of foreign weapons of similar purpose.

It is alleged that the Korsar ATGM system uses a laser beam control system. Thus, after the shot is fired, the operator must hold the target at the crosshair. Next, the rocket itself remains on the desired trajectory, capturing the laser beam sent by the launcher. Such an anti-tank missile guidance system has long been used in many complexes and is considered one of the most convenient, although not without flaws.


Light Korsar ATGM (c) btvt.narod.ru


The general director of the Ukroboronprom concern, which, among other enterprises, includes Luch Design Bureau, S. Gromov told Segodnya.UA reporters that the Korsar ATGM of the new generation is now in the final stages of development. This year it is planned to complete the project and present it to potential customers. The head of the state concern believes that the RC-3 complex will be the first system of this level proposed at the international level.

Announced information about the new Ukrainian anti-tank missile system looks ambiguous. On the one hand, Luch Design Bureau was able to apply some original developments in the Corsair project, but on the other hand, a number of the stated characteristics clearly do not reach the world's leading designs. For example, the range of destruction of targets up to two and a half kilometers is by definition not capable of distinguishing the Corsair against the background of other modern means of destruction, and comparing the range of firing of anti-tank systems and a rocket launcher in general looks like a bad joke. At the same time, at first glance, the insufficient range of the PK-3 may be justified and determined by the size and weight of the entire complex. However, the already mentioned American-made FGM-148 Javelin ATGM with approximately the same mass as the Corsair has a maximum launch range of about 4700-4800 meters.

Another specific feature of Corsair that can attract or deter a potential buyer is the method of application. The use of anti-tank guided missiles "from the shoulder" has long been a topic of lengthy debate. Not everyone agrees with the convenience of shooting in this way. It should be noted that in the case of the Ukrainian ATGM of the PK-3, another one is added to the already existing claims for such a launch technique. The fact is that the American Javelin complex, which also has no supporting devices, is made in accordance with the concept of “shot-and-forget”. Because of this, after firing, a fighter may lie on the ground or hide behind cover without putting himself at risk. A soldier armed with a Corsair will have to maintain his position for some time, directing the missile at the target. Rocket launch will give his position, and the laser guidance system will not allow to hide immediately. As a result, laser beam guidance and a specific method of launching in the most direct way can affect the loss of personnel.

In the light of specific indicators of firing range or safety of use in comparison with foreign systems of the same class, the PK-3 "Corsair" complex will have to attract potential buyers with other advantages. First of all, this is the price. This important parameter can seriously affect the solution of a potential customer and to some extent compensate for certain problems and shortcomings of a technical nature. Thus, you can roughly imagine for which part of the world arms market the latest Ukrainian development is intended.

In general, based on the available information, statements about the superiority of the new Ukrainian ATGM RK-3 "Corsair" over foreign counterparts can be considered too loud and hardly correspond to reality. Even the declared characteristics do not allow to see in it a certain exemplary project, on which it is worth being equal to foreign manufacturers of anti-tank weapons. At the same time, the very fact that Ukraine has created its own ATGM speaks volumes. This country demonstrates an enviable persistence in developing its own weapons and trying to enter the international market. If this persistence does not fade away, then the Corsair may be followed by more advanced anti-tank missile systems, the capabilities of which will allow competing with some representatives of the world elite of arms and military equipment manufacturers.


On the materials of the sites:
http://segodnya.ua/
http://vpk.name/
http://itar-tass.com/
http://bmpd.livejournal.com/
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  1. sergey72
    sergey72 29 July 2013 07: 56 New
    +2
    "Jevlin" in Ukrainian?
    1. Greyfox
      Greyfox 29 July 2013 08: 38 New
      15
      No, not a “Javelin.” Rather, a Metis with a laser-guided bolt and a gunner’s shoulder instead of a machine (as well as much more modest armor penetration characteristics). The heavier Cornet, with its declared 1200mm, did not always cope with the Merkava. Who will the Corsair hunt with 550mm? Apparently on the BTR and BMP ....
      1. Professor
        Professor 29 July 2013 09: 10 New
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        Quote: Greyfox
        The heavier Cornet, with its claimed 1200mm, did not always cope with the Merkava.

        In my opinion, only KAZ saved Cornet from Merkava.

        Quote: Greyfox
        Who will the Corsair hunt with 550mm?

        They will teach him how to make a slide and will burn any tank.
        1. Refund_SSSR
          Refund_SSSR 29 July 2013 09: 14 New
          +8
          Quote: Professor
          They will teach him how to make a slide and will burn any tank

          Well, first you need to teach wink
          And there we will "see"
          1. Professor
            Professor 29 July 2013 09: 16 New
            +5
            Quote: We refund_SSSR
            Well, first you need to teach

            I suspect that this is what the engineer will do after returning from summer vacation. Technically, this is not very difficult.
            1. sergey72
              sergey72 29 July 2013 09: 21 New
              +4
              Quote: Professor
              They will teach him how to make a slide and will burn any tank.

              And Merkavu too? (joke) wassat
              1. Professor
                Professor 29 July 2013 10: 01 New
                53
                Quote: sergey72
                And Merkavu too? (joke)

                Impenetrable there are only idiots, tanks not penetrated does not exist.
                1. Shumka
                  Shumka 29 July 2013 22: 55 New
                  +3
                  Without a word, he put several of them to the professor. But this comment killed everything
                  generally fatty yplus.
                  For only real idiots remain real. I apologize for the sensor and the nerd of the planets and I am a stasrper.
                2. Hug
                  Hug 30 July 2013 01: 18 New
                  +1
                  It was better and impossible to answer!
            2. Greyfox
              Greyfox 29 July 2013 09: 39 New
              0
              Quote: Professor
              Quote: We refund_SSSR
              Well, first you need to teach

              I suspect that this is what the engineer will do after returning from summer vacation. Technically, this is not very difficult.

              Professor, if it were all so simple, we would have taught the same light Metis long ago and would not have fenced in a garden with heavy Cornets and Chrysanthemums. I suspect that Russian designers still have more experience than Ukrainian, but the "hill" for some reason did not learn to do ...
              1. Professor
                Professor 29 July 2013 10: 00 New
                +2
                Quote: Greyfox
                Professor, if it were all so simple, we would have taught the same light Metis long ago and would not have fenced in a garden with heavy Cornets and Chrysanthemums. I suspect that Russian designers still have more experience than Ukrainian, but the "hill" for some reason did not learn to do ...

                As far as I remember, in Metis they did not even put gyroscopes for the sake of its cheapness, which is why it is difficult for them to make a slide. In this papelats, as far as I can judge gyroscopes are available, the range to the target is known, it remains the case for small, to change the trajectory ...

                There is another option, like on my favorite ATGM Bil2 which hits the roof with an impact core.
                1. dustycat
                  dustycat 29 July 2013 16: 15 New
                  0
                  Quote: Professor

                  There is another option, like on my favorite ATGM Bil2 which hits the roof with an impact core.

                  So it would be easier to make such a grant for an RPG.
                  Moreover, there is such a warhead for Tornado and City.
                  Screw it on.
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            3. Lopatov
              Lopatov 29 July 2013 10: 29 New
              0
              Technically, this is not possible. Moreover, with such dimensions and the mode of destruction from above on the span, it is very difficult to carry out - armor penetration will be completely childish.

              Compare with the modern American, in which such a function
              1. Professor
                Professor 29 July 2013 10: 37 New
                0
                Quote: Spade
                Technically, this is not possible.

                More than possible. To do this, you only need to know the distance to the target.
                1. Lopatov
                  Lopatov 29 July 2013 10: 44 New
                  +1
                  More than possible. To do this, you only need to know the distance to the target.


                  And? .. A huge uncontrolled area, which means that shooting will be possible only on stationary tanks. That is why second-generation complexes making a slide do not exist.
                  1. Professor
                    Professor 29 July 2013 13: 36 New
                    0
                    Quote: Spade
                    And? .. A huge uncontrolled area, which means that shooting will be possible only on stationary tanks. That is why second-generation complexes making a slide do not exist.

                    1. The illumination of the target is carried out in any case, the distance is known, there is no problem making a slide.
                    2. The cornet does not fly directly to the target, but with some excess, and only before the target falls to the line of sight. What is not a "slide"?
                    1. Lopatov
                      Lopatov 29 July 2013 13: 52 New
                      0
                      1. target illumination is not carried out. On the second generation complexes there is no GOS. No. Laser receiver located aft rockets.

                      2. That's right, it lowers in order to hit the side. Because otherwise the meeting angles will be too small. And even the armor penetration of the “Cornet” is not enough.
                      1. Professor
                        Professor 29 July 2013 14: 08 New
                        0
                        Quote: Spade
                        1. target illumination is not carried out. On the second generation complexes there is no GOS. None. The laser receiver is located in the stern of the rocket.

                        You can put it this way, or rather, it’s more accurate to say that the operator directs the beam at the tank, and not at the tail of the rocket, and that in turn follows this beam.

                        Quote: Spade
                        2. That's right, it lowers in order to hit the side.

                        Strikes aboard, returning to the line of sight in front of the target itself. That is how it is programmed. Change the algorithm and the rocket will make a slide.

                        Because otherwise the meeting angles will be too small. And even the armor penetration of the “Cornet” is not enough.

                        Open your mind, I don’t understand what you mean.
                      2. Lopatov
                        Lopatov 29 July 2013 14: 25 New
                        0
                        The operator directs the sight. The rest is done by automation. Including flying with an excess of missiles over the target.

                        Quote: Professor
                        Open your mind, I don’t understand what you mean.

                        Penetration "Cornet" 1000 mm. At a meeting angle of 10 degrees, twenty-centimeter armor will be enough for guaranteed protection against it.
                      3. Professor
                        Professor 29 July 2013 14: 55 New
                        +1
                        Quote: Spade
                        The operator directs the sight. The rest is done by automation. Including flying with an excess of missiles over the target.

                        And I’m just about that. Make an excess over the goal in the form of a hill and you will have a hill.

                        Quote: Spade
                        Penetration "Cornet" 1000 mm. At a meeting angle of 10 degrees, twenty-centimeter armor will be enough for guaranteed protection against it.

                        Now I understand and absolutely disagree. Making a slide, a rocket hits the tank from above almost normal to the armor, therefore Cornet will break through any tank with a margin and it will be possible to safely reduce armor penetration to 500 mm.
                      4. Lopatov
                        Lopatov 29 July 2013 15: 20 New
                        +1
                        Will not be. Trite will not allow the equipment. You need to hit from angles close to normal. And the sensor in the stern of the rocket will lose the control signal. And to expand his field of view to angles close to 180 degrees is impossible.

                        Quote: Professor
                        Making a slide, a rocket hits the tank from above almost normal to the armor

                        Losing the control signal. That is, it doesn’t “hit”, but falls past the tank
                      5. dustycat
                        dustycat 29 July 2013 16: 32 New
                        0
                        Quote: Spade

                        Losing the control signal. That is, it doesn’t “hit”, but falls past the tank

                        How much does the last 30m rocket fly by?
                        In any case, the tank will not have time to move far.
                        Is it only on one caterpillar will spin.
                        And even in this case, the probability of defeat will be above 0,5.
                        Just in the geometry of the strike mechanism.
                      6. Lopatov
                        Lopatov 29 July 2013 16: 52 New
                        +2
                        Sorry, we are not discussing a spherical horse, but a rocket. Which has inertia, high speed and small control surfaces.
                        Will leave, how to give a drink.
    2. beard999
      beard999 29 July 2013 16: 05 New
      +3
      Quote: Spade
      the defeat mode from above on the span is very difficult to carry out - armor penetration will be completely childish

      "Children's"? In your opinion, what is the equivalent of armor provided by the upper projections of the turret and hull of modern MBT?
      56nd generation ATGM “with indirect target attack” appeared before the 1985rd generation ATGM. The first was the RBS-3,79, which entered service in 105. With a warhead weight of 1992 kg, it provided 2 mm armor penetration. In 6,14, the TOW-3B appeared, with a warhead weight of 155 kg (video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CGBeiWD150koc). Is it childish? The Germans, consider their "SMArt-150", with 350 mm armor penetration, capable of defeating any modern MBT, without exception. They even made them combat gear for cluster warheads, their new KEPD-80/XNUMX missiles. You can recall the fact that in the competition AAWS, in the mid XNUMX's. In addition to Javelin, the creation of a new generation of ATGMs was also attended by Ford Aerospace ATGMs with an LLSN (completely similar to KBP, KBM, TOCHMASH ...), which implements target defeat during flight. This complex has been successfully tested.
      So the implementation of the anti-roof munition, which carried out the defeat during the passage, is quite realizable and effective.
      1. Lopatov
        Lopatov 29 July 2013 17: 00 New
        +2
        This is all, of course, good. But did you pay attention to the geometric dimensions of missiles that can hit targets on the fly? I hope you are aware that their cumulative funnel should be directed perpendicular to the axis of the rocket. With all the consequences. Bill has a diameter of 150 mm. Like the Tou And the Ukrainian Corsair? The outer diameter of the TPK 110, missiles even smaller. Where to fit?
        1. beard999
          beard999 29 July 2013 18: 26 New
          +1
          Quote: Spade
          Where to fit?

          “Size,” of course, matters. But it is solvable. The examples of Western missiles that I have cited, of course, are made in a larger caliber than 107 mm in the Corsair rocket. But they were made in the 80s. last century. I don’t know how things are with this in Ukraine, but in Russia, of the ammunition I know, with UY, now, in the existing size of the Corsair rocket, they would fit in two. This is the 105 mm SFZ of the GSh-7VT shot, with armor penetration of 50 mm normal http://www.fkpgknipas.ru/nip/images/nipimages/warhead-8.jpg. This development dates back to the 90s. And the second, the same with the SFZ caliber of 105 mm, used in SPBE 122 mm RS 9M217. He UY already provides armor penetration at an angle of 30 degrees. from normal to armor, from a distance of 100 m - 70 mm of homogeneous steel armor ...
          Perhaps the caliber of the rocket is worth increasing. For example, at least 130 mm. By the way, here, KBP wanted to do something similar to “Corsair” (designated as “Cornet-MR”, the same ATGM with a range of 2500 m), with a 152 mm caliber missile. There it is quite possible to deploy warheads (which implements tandem work) as in TOW-2B http://btvt.narod.ru/4/tow2.files/2b.jpg.
          It is, in principle, that the creation of an effective anti-roof munition, with an HFRS, hitting targets about a span, is quite possible.
  • dominatus
    dominatus 30 July 2013 02: 25 New
    +5
    Quote: We refund_SSSR
    Well, first you need to teach
    And there we will "see"


    If you are ironic then in vain. The same design bureau “Luch” created the ATGM “Combat”, which it directs over the target and attacks the target from above. So that everything is possible. Do not forget - these are just the first steps.

    Once the Russians were convinced that it was not possible to create their own KAZ 9 in Ukraine, since the Soviet technology of the KAZ Drozd remained in Russia).
    In Ukraine, they made their own KAZ. And what's more, the Barrier turned out to be several steps more perfect than the Russian Arena.
  • Lopatov
    Lopatov 29 July 2013 10: 26 New
    -1
    Complexes of the second generation cannot be taught to make a slide
    1. PLO
      PLO 29 July 2013 12: 40 New
      +2
      theoretically still possible, but Corsair is really nonsense
      1. Lopatov
        Lopatov 29 July 2013 13: 55 New
        +5
        It is theoretically possible, but cheaper to make a third-generation complex.

        Here, a continuously working accurate rangefinder is needed, giving a range in real time, a headlamp that will be visible from all angles, control only by wire or a radio command, wide field of view of the rocket position monitoring device, which will very badly affect the noise immunity
        1. PLO
          PLO 29 July 2013 14: 03 New
          +3
          Here and continuously working accurate rangefinder is needed

          namely, and this will actually deprive such complexes with primary medical care of the main advantage in the absence of direct illumination of the goal, so that the KAZ does not work, so I absolutely agree that this is pointless
    2. dustycat
      dustycat 29 July 2013 16: 33 New
      +1
      Quote: Spade
      Complexes of the second generation cannot be taught to make a slide

      With a competent approach and no reason.
  • dustycat
    dustycat 29 July 2013 16: 11 New
    +1
    Quote: Professor

    They will teach him how to make a slide and will burn any tank.

    If you find idiots hanging around on the line of sight for so long.
    In this parameter, he even loses RPG7.
    If only the aiming station was smashed from the PU.
    A laser homing - an analogue of a curtain will put a smoke curtain faster than a supply will fly. And you can’t hide in the bushes.
  • bif
    bif 30 July 2013 01: 03 New
    +1
    Quote: Professor
    In my opinion, only KAZ saved Cornet from Merkava.

    But you can. Nothing saved Merkava from Cornet before the advent of KAZ; now there is a chance.
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  • washi
    washi 29 July 2013 08: 08 New
    +2
    for use in the mountains and by terrorists
    1. dustycat
      dustycat 29 July 2013 16: 19 New
      +1
      Quote: Vasya
      for use in the mountains and by terrorists

      Enough for the terrorists and the Vampire.
      In addition, any RPG has a kind of “released-forgotten,” but this is not a misunderstanding of the technique.
  • velikoros-xnumx
    velikoros-xnumx 29 July 2013 08: 14 New
    +5
    Without a doubt that sooner or later there will be a reunion of our people, divided into Belovezhskaya Pushcha and therefore I wish good luck to the Ukrainian defense industry.
    1. dustycat
      dustycat 29 July 2013 16: 20 New
      -2
      Quote: velikoros-xnumx
      Without a doubt that sooner or later there will be a reunion of our people, divided into Belovezhskaya Pushcha and therefore I wish good luck to the Ukrainian defense industry.

      And the point is their stubbornness ?!
  • Akim
    Akim 29 July 2013 08: 53 New
    10
    It may have good characteristics, but we also need disposable grenade launchers! RPG-27 practically did not manage to enter the troops under the USSR, and for the price of this "toy" you can give each fighter in the battalion a launch tube. This garbage is for export. The Ukrainian army will not pull it.
    1. seller trucks
      seller trucks 29 July 2013 11: 15 New
      +1
      Quote: Akim
      This garbage is for export. The Ukrainian army will not pull it.


      my hello to you, whom you consider to be potential buyers, I read somewhere that a shot costs 20 000 green, it’s final, cheaper than the cost of the tank, but the RPG’s amusement is several times cheaper, it does not require operator training, after the death of which this thing becomes an expensive piece iron or trophy.
      1. Akim
        Akim 29 July 2013 11: 50 New
        +8
        Quote: seller trucks
        whom do you consider potential buyers

        Who I think - no difference. I will not be asked when buying. In general, the countries of southeastern Europe need to renew their ATGMs (Slovenia, Serbia, Croatia, Bosnia and Herzegovina) in general, the former Yugoslavia. Those who are not ready to pay for Eurospike and Javelin are crazy grandmas. Pakistan and China buy Combats, which means they can be potential buyers. Kuwait does not like the French Eryx (but there are pennies and enough for Javelin). South American countries that want to have not only a powerful Cornet, Scythian or Brazilian MSS-1.2, but also something more portable. Thailand which already has 130 mm Barriers and 152 mm Bumblebee. Sri Lanka, to which Russia will never sell anything. Vietnam. And probably someone else.
  • gych
    gych 29 July 2013 09: 15 New
    +1
    cheap and angry! we hope that this toy will not fall into the hands of terrorists, otherwise they will do a lot of grief
    1. dustycat
      dustycat 29 July 2013 16: 22 New
      0
      Quote: gych
      cheap and

      ...useless.
      One benefit - they will manage to detect where it is firing and cover with a remote OFS grenade.
  • Kars
    Kars 29 July 2013 09: 27 New
    +6
    However, the aforementioned American-made FGM-148 Javelin ATGM with approximately the same weight as the Corsair has a maximum launch range of about 4700-4800 meters.



    Operating range 75 to 2500 m
    Maximum range 4750 m [3]
    Warhead Tandem HEAT Cumulative Charge
    Warhead Weight 8,4 kg (18,5 lbs) [4]
    Detonation
    impact force


    Of course, it is understandable how Ukraine can do something))) for some it is unthinkable and does not fit into the head.

    and comparing the firing range of ATGMs and a rocket launcher in general looks like an unfortunate joke
    If the author thought, looked at the prices, he would not call it a joke. Ukrainian ATGMs at a rocket price did not go far from the prices of modern RPGs (RPG-7 we do not take into account) how much does RPG-32 cost?
    1. CTEPX
      CTEPX 29 July 2013 17: 34 New
      +2
      Quote: Kars
      At the price of a rocket, the Ukrainian anti-tank missile system was not far from the prices for modern RPGs (we do not take RPG-7 into account) how much does RPG-32 cost there?

      Well, it’s worth comparing (by characteristics) with RPG-32)).
      And RPG-7 - taxis)).
    2. Lopatov
      Lopatov 29 July 2013 18: 48 New
      +1
      Quote: Kars
      If the author thought, looked at the prices, then he would not call it a joke. The Ukrainian anti-tank missile system at a rocket price was not far from the prices of modern RPG

      RPG-30 "Hook" costs 80 tr That is 2.5 thousand dollars. Eight times cheaper. And at the same time able to overcome KAZ
      1. Rumata
        Rumata 29 July 2013 20: 32 New
        +1
        Quote: Spade
        And at the same time able to overcome KAZ

        Can one learn in more detail due to what he is able to overcome KAZ?
        1. Lopatov
          Lopatov 29 July 2013 20: 37 New
          +4
          Two rockets in a row. Yes, don’t worry, we haven’t delivered them to Syria yet.
      2. Kars
        Kars 29 July 2013 22: 16 New
        +1
        Quote: Spade
        RPG-30 "Hook" costs 80 tr That is 2.5 thousand dollars. Eight times cheaper. And at the same time able to overcome KAZ


        That's just the sense of him at distances of more than three hundred meters. However, it is not a fact that he can overcome the KAZ. Too trite. And not reliable. And this if you take the price for the real one. And is it for the domestic consumer or for export?
        1. Lopatov
          Lopatov 29 July 2013 23: 33 New
          +2
          I did not start talking about comparing the prices of ATGMs and RPGs
          1. Kars
            Kars 29 July 2013 23: 37 New
            +1
            Quote: Spade
            I did not start talking about comparing the prices of ATGMs and RPGs

            And so? I don’t mind continuing the comparison. For now, this device is preferable for me to watch. Even if I reduce the range to 1000 m. From an RPG on a moving target, an average-trained fighter from 200-300 meters will get vryatli from 10 times-2-in non-firing conditions .
            And the price of a corsair is a priori exported.
            1. PLO
              PLO 30 July 2013 02: 22 New
              +1
              try to imagine a fighter who will direct this missile from his shoulder at a distance of 2 km, keeping the mark on the target with SHOULDER for about 10 seconds.
              Roughly speaking, one cannot even sneeze at this time. and the enemy you know will not sleep at that time either.
              at the same distances where the Corsair will be more or less effective, RPGs can be compared with it, but grenade launchers will still be more effective due to the much lower price and the absence of the need to keep the aim on the target after a shot (and at close distances this becomes very important)

              understand, the point here is not the technical implementation of this complex (it can be quite on the level), but the fact that the idea of ​​this ATGM is initially flawed.
  • Alexey M
    Alexey M 29 July 2013 10: 07 New
    +2
    It has no analogues in the world. It is understandable. Zaporozhets also had no analogues. Another PR.
    1. Akim
      Akim 29 July 2013 10: 13 New
      +7
      Quote: Alexey M
      It has no analogues in the world. It is understandable. Zaporozhets also had no analogues

      Yesterday I watched the "Star" about the parade in Sevastopol. About the missile boat on the VP, the same thing was said. None of our garbage advertisers suffer.
    2. Conepatus
      Conepatus 29 July 2013 11: 34 New
      +2
      Quote: Alexey M
      It has no analogues in the world. It is understandable. Zaporozhets also had no analogues. Another PR.

      Actually the Zaporozhets, this is a simplified NSU "Prince"
      1. CTEPX
        CTEPX 29 July 2013 17: 44 New
        +3
        Quote: Conepatus
        Actually the Zaporozhets, this is a simplified NSU "Prince"

        Not true)). Zaporozhets is an independent development and surpasses the prince in all respects)). And just a cool car! Best in class)).
        1. Conepatus
          Conepatus 29 July 2013 19: 31 New
          +3
          Yeah. I mean the parameters, I liked it the most. smile
    3. Akim
      Akim 29 July 2013 14: 12 New
      +1
      In continuation. From a neighboring article:
      According to him, "Crossbow-2" is a parachute system that has no analogues in the world.

      How do you like it?
      1. Imperial
        Imperial 29 July 2013 14: 44 New
        +1
        Buddy Akim! Nothing so easy? You will not praise yours, so who then? ))) Advertising is the engine of trade, you have to BELIEVE in your own way, I agree with both your defense industry and ours, any actions are good, they help us survive, the movement is life, I'm sorry that something incurred me.)))
        1. Akim
          Akim 29 July 2013 16: 41 New
          +1
          Quote: Imperial
          You will not praise yours, so who then? ))) The advertisement is engine of the trade

          I don’t argue, you just need to sometimes notice a "log in your eye. I, after the American advertising rink (where they have everything super laughing ), about our attempts of advertisers, I stopped not paying attention. But got these reproaches. Themselves are no better!
  • Professor
    Professor 29 July 2013 10: 08 New
    +5
    My fly in the ointment ...
    The PU looks clumsy, an aluminum rectangular box with lamb for adjustment. With sharp corners, when carrying or running, the fighter will beat off all his knees, there is no handle for carrying. Cable plug as in the 17th century. For a product for $ 120 thousand, they could have taken an ergonomics specialist. I understand that the Soviet design school did not pay attention to the convenience of the fighter, but it seems that the time is not right anymore, and they seemed to be going to export.
    It is unclear how much they weigh and how much battery they have.


    PS
    The viewfinder is open, nothing will be visible in the sun in it.
    1. Conepatus
      Conepatus 29 July 2013 11: 36 New
      +8
      With the current funding of the defense industry, the very appearance of this masterpiece looks fantastic.
  • Vlad_Mir
    Vlad_Mir 29 July 2013 10: 25 New
    +2
    Comparing ATGMs with RPGs is at least strange. Cornet-D range of defeat up to 10 km. You can compare and so ...
    1. dustycat
      dustycat 29 July 2013 16: 25 New
      +1
      Quote: Vlad_Mir
      Comparing ATGMs with RPGs is at least strange. Cornet-D range of defeat up to 10 km. You can compare and so ...

      Cornet, however, is far from an RPG.
  • Massik
    Massik 29 July 2013 10: 42 New
    +1
    It’s rather cumbersome, while the attachment of the guidance unit to the launcher looks weak, the laser beam hasn’t gone where yet, yet there’s no reason to use the ATGM from 300-500 meters and the grenade launcher can handle it, and there’s not much danger to the fighter except a stray shell or bullets ...
  • Sineys
    Sineys 29 July 2013 10: 44 New
    0
    Was there something about the lack of a tripod? Article slag. Trendy conclusions are drawn from one photograph. The question is studied superficially.
    1. Lopatov
      Lopatov 29 July 2013 11: 10 New
      +3
      Are you aware that your photo is not "Corsair"?
    2. sergey69
      sergey69 29 July 2013 11: 21 New
      +2
      It could be anti-tank skif
      1. Lopatov
        Lopatov 29 July 2013 11: 55 New
        +2
        This is apparently "Stugna-P"
        1. Mister X
          Mister X 29 July 2013 14: 05 New
          +3
          Quote: Spade
          This is apparently "Stugna-P"

          Right, he.

          This complex was going to be adopted by the Ukrainian army in 2011
          The manufacturer claims that the flight range of the Stugna-P missiles reaches 4 km.
          UR complex "Stugna-P" were created on the basis of missiles "Stugna", designed to be launched through the gun barrel.

          And the Corsair is a lite version of this complex.
          R-3 rockets for it were demonstrated in Istanbul at the IDEF-2013 exhibition.
    3. avdkrd
      avdkrd 29 July 2013 12: 45 New
      +7
      The article is generally incomprehensible from which he is sucked. I am not a fan of the Ukrainian military-industrial complex, but despite the almost complete collapse of statehood, Ukrainians manage to implement quite decent things. By the way, the length of the FGM-148 Javelin is 2500m. Where did the author suck 4700-4800m ???
      The article is just chernukha, without an objective review of the possibilities.
      1. Lopatov
        Lopatov 29 July 2013 13: 57 New
        +1
        This is the old unmodernized "Javelin" such a range. In addition, it implements the principle of "shot-forgot"
  • seller trucks
    seller trucks 29 July 2013 10: 53 New
    +2
    that would not offer Ukraine on the arms market everything: unparalleled or the best, but in fact it turns out either to the table or in pieces. But I can absolutely say for sure that they will not deliver ATGMs to Ukraine, NATO member countries are unlikely to buy it, it will be expensive for the rest.


    http://topwar.ru/31289-ukraina-ispytala-novyy-protivotankovyy-kompleks.html#comm
    ent-id-1360788

    On 25 of July, after posting the comment, they threw minuses (-) to my post, to my heart about birds. but in fact I was right, extremely annoying Ukrainian populism.
  • chunga-changa
    chunga-changa 29 July 2013 11: 58 New
    +3
    Comparing RPGs and ATGMs is still strange. It's like comparing the most sophisticated bike with the simplest motorcycle. The price difference may not be big, but the “motor” is fundamentally different.
    1. tilovaykrisa
      tilovaykrisa 29 July 2013 19: 56 New
      0
      and it depends on where to use it, in the city, for example, RPG29 may be more interesting and more comfortable and cheaper, easier than any ATGM.
  • gych
    gych 29 July 2013 16: 32 New
    -1
    Quote: dustycat
    Quote: gych
    cheap and

    ...useless.
    One benefit - they will manage to detect where it is firing and cover with a remote OFS grenade.

    overshoot!
  • tilovaykrisa
    tilovaykrisa 29 July 2013 19: 54 New
    0
    Well, not Jewelin of course, and the unit of equipment is healthy and the thing itself is dimensional, if you only use the strong Ukrainian lad from the shoulder, the Arabs will not be able to keep it.
  • Bersaglieri
    Bersaglieri 29 July 2013 23: 19 New
    0
    Quote: Greyfox
    No, not a Javelin. Rather, a Metis with a laser-guided screw and a gunner’s shoulder instead of a machine (as well as much more modest armor penetration characteristics)

    He himself is.
    Well, the element base is fresher, by itself (Metis (not M) was created in the 70s)
  • sergey158-29
    sergey158-29 30 July 2013 16: 18 New
    0
    And I would add thermal GOS and the complex would turn into a “shot and forget”, and of course the cumulative element of “work from above”! Well, 2,5 km is normal, for the European "theater of action", unless for the "desert" - not enough !! wink
  • Hauptam
    Hauptam 22 August 2013 22: 12 New
    0
    And why argue that if it were worthwhile, the Amers would have tried on themselves long ago or placed an order in Ukraine for “Georgians whatever”. And so it is not interesting to anyone, all of this has already passed the above listed US and USSR. The same eggs are just a side view.
  • Dr livsy
    Dr livsy 3 September 2013 22: 39 New
    +1
    So you have developed a polemic on the topic "and if my grandmother would have eaten ...". People in these design bureaus are no more stupid than you, and for some reason they have chosen just such a solution to the problems posed. And apparently the argument was also sufficient.

    Now, in order, let's start with the notorious "slide" of the professor (here it came to you). The slide as an element of aerobatics implies quite serious transverse overloads on the rocket body, this time. the missile is long, from quick maneuvering it either breaks into a fuck or destabilizes.
    Further, at a rocket speed of even 200 m / s (especially if there is a transonic rocket with 350 m / s!) For this maneuver you need a place with a kilometer minimum! now guess at what distance the most effective fire is supposed to be? I think 500-800 meters. and then the rocket went so beautifully up the hill, and then simply failed to go down to the level of the target and went into milk. Therefore, the designers and made a fast rocket with great armor penetration, so that it could penetrate the side projection.
  • Dr livsy
    Dr livsy 3 September 2013 23: 04 New
    +1
    Now, regarding guidance on the collective farm ray, without a tripod and "shot-forgot."
    1. the collective farm beam leaves the operator the opportunity to correct the missile in flight to the target. And this opportunity is worth a lot. Well, if the enemy pinned the fire, you can always hide by giving the missile a lead. The system is configured so that the rocket does not go crazy and walks in a straight line when the signal is lost.
    2. The complex is designed for operational support and infantry support. That is, immediately, from the march, from the run, as it should be shorter. And to drag this shaitanka weighing 15 kilos on its hump to a soldier. This is in the PC to the machine gun, bronik, cartridges, helmet. The tripod will weigh another 10 kilos, plus the cable will add a couple more kilos. Plus time for deployment and installation. And the enemy, of course, will nobly say "of course, of course, I will wait while you will put your toys."
    3. "shot-forgot" systems mean 2 types of work: they remember the static position of a point and bring a rocket into it. that is, the rocket will fly there. where you sent her, and not a centimeter to the side. That is, you have no way to fix anything after the shot.
    The second type is an active seeker. The thermal one will not work, the tank does not heat up like a helicopter, the dust pole and other beauties will perfectly spread the heat spot. Laser I do not know how they work and whether there are any atky. Remains radar. But GOS alone stands like heels of such complexes assembled in a gift box with cognac.
  • Sadikoff
    Sadikoff 30 September 2013 12: 26 New
    0
    Yes, you don’t need any slides — the goal can be put out of action by putting in the head part of the charge with an electromagnetic pulse.
  • Sergei75
    Sergei75 April 12 2014 01: 31 New
    0
    Moreover, this system can be used against concrete structures, its long-term volume, and the slide there may not be able to ride.