Shop increased capacity for Makarov pistol

Probably, this will be the first reaction of the person reading this post.
And immediately 2 questions arise, how and why?

But first things first

Generally Makarov pistol is weapon for permanent wear, and more suitable for defense than for attack. From here and the small capacity of the store and a small sighting line, which is a consequence of small dimensions, well, and a cartridge of insufficient power to take body armor. These are not the drawbacks of the gun, these are its features, and this should be understood.

So the first question ... why make a magazine for 80 + cartridges for a gun of constant wear? Well, firstly, the PM even now is used in assault operations, and it is used not only because of the lack of a worthy alternative, but also because of the love for it of so many employees. In general, we will not continue now about any pistols Yarygin and so on ...
So, the increase in the capacity of the store is one of the steps to adapt this gun to perform unusual tasks for him.

Second question. How? We take the store from the PM, we take the store from the PPSh) Well, then the matter of technology.

In the end, I got a different angle of the cartridges in the store.

But at the same time the top cartridge stands as expected.

One of the problems that arose during the first tests of the store was the impossibility of its quick retrieval, which was solved quite simply.

We catch the key ring on the latch and quietly remove the store)

According to preliminary test results, the store is working, but there are still field trials with shooting ahead.

Comments

[Refund_SSSR]

Absolutely meaningless and even idiotic stray.
Well, I understand up to 15-20 rounds of ammunition to rock a standard store, they stick a stump out of the handle, it will not greatly affect convenience ... But +80 !!!
it can be called with just one phrase "do not know the sense of proportion" or, even shorter, "greed"

And naturally, this "collective farm" outright merges even the most simple or even handicraft PP, including the convenience of constant wearing.

[Refund_SSSR]

Although for straight arms growing from the right place - definitely a plus

[bazilio]

"for the idea - five, but on the subject - not" (c)
Judging by the photos, this device is not very comfortable to hold, and wearing a holster is also problematic. I think the author has the same device in turn for the APS.

[self-propelled]

similar already

[bazilio]

Quote: self-propelled

similar already

Yes, I also remembered about Luger P08))) but here is a slightly different case, and this store has not received much of a special. The Lange P08 you mentioned with an elongated barrel (200 mm, for PM - 94 mm) and a stock was the last representative of the rifle pistol. It was adopted in 1913. as the main weapon art. calculations and commanders of machine gun companies. In 1917, Herr Leer developed a magazine for 32 rounds (and not 80+) for this gun. In the future, this boutiques. It was used for MP-18, later PP and displaced carbine pistols. Therefore, soon after the First World War, it became clear that such stores for pistols are not justified.

[roial]

or newer

[Zerstorer]

That's it ... Give pills for greed and more, more!

[Canep]

This is a convenient thing for the executioner, if you need to shoot thousands. To screw a store from PPSh to a gun - what kind of sick imagination do you need?
When I read the title of the article, I thought it would be about PMM, with a magazine for 12 rounds, and here SUCH a figment of a sick imagination.

One of the problems that arose during the first tests of the store was the inability to quickly retrieve it,

With such a capacity, in my opinion, the store does not have to be changed at all.

[arutun]

I think the author is not going to wear this all the time, remember the pictures from Afghanistan, where the NATO PPSh were carried with them when cleaning houses, because 72 cartridges are more than 20 or 30. And in short distances the number and rate of fire decide, PPS with this is all in okay.
That's just PM is not automatic, and such a rate of fire will not provide.
Therefore, as an experiment, it can quite clearly show that the PM can still surprise, but in practice, I would prefer any modern submachine gun than such a makeshift.
Although the color and taste as they say ...

[sub307]

I agree, one of the design distortions. Similar designs like have already been used for other pistols but apparently did not take root.

[luiswoo]

Quote: We refund_SSSR

And naturally, this "collective farm" outright merges even the most simple or even handicraft PP, including the convenience of constant wearing.

Perhaps the main thing was not the rate of fire, namely a large number of rounds, so as not to be recharged once again - for the shield shield, for example, because the other hand is busy.

[Flying Dutchman]

Such a store I think would be more suitable for Stechkin

[Vasily Terkin]

Now you can’t give it with a hand on the head) the drum will fall off

[dustycat]

Quote: Vasily Terkin

Now you can’t give it with a hand on the head) the drum will fall off

The radish itself gets shocked in shock when it sees in the hands of the storming.

[sergey72]

I looked at the photo and thought that today is the first of April, it turned out not ...

[kafa]

Now bipod, butt, Ltsu, PNV, grenade launcher, flashlight, shield and rushed

[Sirocco]

So for the sake of pampering, I think that this store will not have any practical application. It is heavy, hold it on an outstretched arm. For these purposes (special forces) was developed PP "Bizon"

[Brummbar]

Well, if you stick a tattoo on Stechkin you can still understand.

[omsbon]

Rave! It's funny to even discuss.

[Terrible ensign]

"Each person has their own ideas about beauty ..."
Smiled almost to the ears ...
Well, in order:
1. What is the convenience of shooting? - It is rather an inconvenience. Or the classic PM-ka, which is easily held when firing with one hand, or a kind of "stray", the weight of the magazine which will be more than the weight of the pistol itself. Apply only with two hands? .. Not always possible ...
2. Being placed in the equipped state in unloading, it objectively creates obstacles when moving through inconveniences (window openings, narrow passages between buildings, dense bushes. Again, moving by crawling, on "four bones", etc. ...) It may seem ridiculous, but in 1993, together with the "fellow-wrestlers", one villain had to be detained "on all fours" - for 15-20 minutes he was pursued in dense thickets of either willow or willow. Natural "cockroach races" were ... Well, how, with this gadget to deal with such garbage? ..
3. Please pay attention to the ammunition that stores are equipped with ... Is this a battle trellis?
4. The guy’s hands are clearly in place. I agree with this one hundred percent ... But the way of thinking does not give in to my understanding!

[OLDTODD]

The first APR has not yet passed ????

[Professor]

I read and immediately remembered this:

[fennekRUS]

Smiled ... well-done author. To critics, this stray has been created, I believe out of love for pure art, and does not bear any practical load) Anyway, there must be something impractical, but sincere in life))) gentlemen live in Russia.

[a boat]

It’s a complete perversion! Not only does the author of the torturer convince us that PM is better than modern models of the same ПЯ or ГШ! Also, traumatic pictures were posted! Didn’t play enough war games in childhood?

[Owl]

The PM is superior in reliability to the PY pistol.

[German]

You, dear, with C.Yu. Problems? The author checks us all!

[kind]

Pinned a guy on an adult, well done !!! You see, something sensible will come up! Without such eccentrics it would be boring !!!

[6216390]

To evaluate it, you need to at least hold it in your hands, it looks good, photo 3.
However, unambiguously, in connection with the imbalance of the balance, the accuracy of the shooting significantly deteriorated.
To the author plus for indefatigability. I am sure that there will be those who want to put it into practice.

[Owl]

"A circle of skillful hands", the use of a PM pistol weighted with such a magazine (PM is respected for its reliability, but everyone knows about the weakness of 9x18 mm ammunition) in assault operations this is complete nonsense, the reaction speed of the hand holding such "magic" will decrease very significantly, and fast aiming weapons on target is one of the components of victory in a short-lived battle, what is the reliability of such a store is a very difficult question. It would be better if the author invented various types and types of attachment of additional body kits for pistols and machine guns that do not require a change in the design of the weapon sample (this is prohibited).

[Prapor Afonya]

Quote: We refund_SSSR

Absolutely meaningless and even idiotic stray.
Well, I understand up to 15-20 rounds of ammunition to rock a standard store, they stick a stump out of the handle, it will not greatly affect convenience ... But +80 !!!
it can be called with just one phrase "do not know the sense of proportion" or, even shorter, "greed"

And naturally, this "collective farm" outright merges even the most simple or even handicraft PP, including the convenience of constant wearing.

I will support, I think this is nonsense! It’s okay to enlarge according to the ultrasound principle, to lengthen the store, but this is too much for mine!

[Terrible ensign]

So, we have a "trauma" with an awesome capacity store. We grind off the ledge of the whispered (which will allow us to fire in bursts), find a room in which a bunch of specific "villains" have gathered, quietly open the door and turn the whole store into the ceiling with a burst of "barrel melt". Further, as in the joke about the Chinese and the rubber bomb ... - "she continues to jump" ...

[report4]

Hmmm .. And the author tried to fire a couple of hundred shots from such a store? The percentage of wrong feed is just interesting.
Well, the geometry of combat and traumatic cartridges is somewhat different, it is unclear whether this will work in principle on a combat pistol.
It would be better if the ordinary double-rower did 16+ - the benefits are an order of magnitude greater.

[Terrible ensign]

The guy does not have the capabilities of not only a factory, but a normal mechanical workshop: "And it is much easier to pin something on the side than to interfere with the design of a product ..."

[a boat]

Quote: Eagle Owl

The PM is superior in reliability to the PY pistol.

and therefore he needs a disk store? Have you ever shot a real PM?

[Colonel]

Have you ever shot a real PM?

Eagle owl, do not answer, otherwise ... they moderate in short

[georg737577]

It’s easier to make a cut-off from PPSh ...

[vkrav]

The idea, in general, is not new. The first, it seemed, was Luger. Yes, and now similar ones roam in their heads :), for example, Glock with a drum store saw somewhere

[abrakadabre]

The author is a definite plus. No, not for practicality. But for the love of art and that hands grow from the right place.

Next in line is a tape-powered gun. Then on the track. Then with sub-caliber or volume-detonating bullets.

[Nirag013]

Definitely, I SUPPORT! In addition - on a hovercraft (like "Jeyran") or with radar guidance ... You have a great sense of humor, sir!

[georg737577]

Do not forget about the grenade launcher and bayonet-knife ...

[papik09]

And the ability to shoot at air targets ...

[abrakadabre]

In general, a lot of options.

[MAG]

Stores seem to be cold-welded and clumsy. There is a point to such a store, but the choice of weapons is not right in my opinion. Such a store may be suitable for a fighter with a shield (fence), but the PM is neither slaughter nor penetrative, much less stopping.

[dustycat]

Quote: MAG

Stores seem to be cold-welded and clumsy. There is a point to such a store, but the choice of weapons is not right in my opinion. Such a store may be suitable for a fighter with a shield (fence), but the PM is neither slaughter nor penetrative, much less stopping.

When storming the premises, it seems to be just.
And quickly redirecting with such an application is not a problem.
And the short range of slaughter in the subject - rebounds are minimal (not for rubber bullets).
Although the balance and ease of use of weapons ?????
This energy would be for peaceful purposes ....

[TS3sta3]

no limit ... (add yourself later)

[tilovaykrisa]

Here is such a thing you need to chip in to Zimerman.

[0-0]

Continuing the topic)

[Owl]

With a small assault rifle (9A91) or with a submachine gun (SR-2M, Vityaz, Cypress) it is more convenient.

[bear]

class !!! Only by experimenting can you get something new.

[leonardo_1971]

in Chechnya I saw among the employees of the Ministry of Internal Affairs. 2 pistols, usually PM and APS, and 10 stores for each barrel.

[tilovaykrisa]

what about here? If served, you know that there are never many rounds.

[Roman_999]

True, ammunition is never surplus, this burden does not pull.

I wonder how many shots can be made from a drum makar, so that:
1. Beginning to confidently wedge the supply of cartridges into the chamber.
2. The pace of continuous firing, on overheating of the barrel.
3. and in the future, will it spit ?, if so, how much (spacing on the impact range let's say 25 meters)

PS The idea is not new, but interesting, minus one - the dimensions, and I think the severity, although it’s workable to work out such a load with training.
The pluses are obvious. The article is undoubtedly interesting. Thank.

[MRomanovich]

to make the PM automatic is not a tricky business and in this case the disk is quite appropriate, and in rare cases it will even be useful, but I’m afraid the gun will become disposable and it will be necessary to change the guns themselves, not the magazines.

[Marek Rozny]

The author is well done. However, realizing that he used the existing standard PPSh drum, I think it is better to make a new drum of reduced volume. Let there be 30 rounds of ammunition. And the weight will decrease, and the size and wearing will be more convenient.

[Chelf]

Maybe to me, stupid, who will explain HOW the last 10-11 rounds will get into the chamber?

[papik09]

And these cartridges are NZ

[wasjasibirjac]

But this Davis is a traumatic, not a combat one, it is clearly visible that there are no bullets in the cartridge. another question is not resolved - the supply of cartridges, because the PPSh disk does not have a feeder that will pick up the last cartridges, 10 pieces.

[Chelf]

From the same, and I about it!

[old rats]

Long live the victory of technology over common sense !!!

[Andrey77]

These are not pistol flaws, these are its features, and this must be understood.
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What's the difference? Author? You must understand the customer requirements for the gun. And to the cartridge for him.
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So, the increase in the capacity of the store is one of the steps to adapt this gun to perform unusual tasks for him.

And if I put the engine from BMW on the Lada? It is necessary to capture the PM from the employees and equip the same GS or Glock-17. Half of the PM is remelted, there is such wear ...

[Doznanied]

Interestingly, how does the PM barrel react to the shooting of the entire store in a row?

[bunta]

Even such a simple little cartoon, but made by one’s own hands, evokes more respect than the groans of kitchen experts about the need for a two-sided handle for the shutter frame for AK.

[Sanches]

stechkin with his rate of fire would be more suitable, garnslovo

[Sour]

A weapon with such an aiming range simply cannot be suitable for a long battle. This is not a debatable issue; it is like twice two. And if so, then such a store is not needed. Such an article would be appropriate on April 1st.

[tracer]

And I liked the idea. And the point is not at all that it is a mixture of a bulldog with a rhinoceros. Rather, even with an "ear-throat" in meaning. But voila, here you are .... Plaisir Mua ... In the dash of the fool, you have a very good idea .. There is one problem. In most "mass shooting countries", magazines are generally limited to 10 rounds. Sometimes less. Even in the United States, from state to state, all gun rules are very different. As an idea .. I'm sure it's very good (even if it works every other time). Because in the dash it doesn't matter at all. There is still a lack of a modern self-loading pistol in Russia. Yes, so that the same glorious as Stechkin, yes Makarov ..... Oh, straight "rifle drama" one word ...

[Hauptam]

In battle, there are few rounds! The inconvenience of use is a matter of habit. Now, if they came up with tape power, then yes power

[yan]

The main engineering idea is not asleep

[saygon66]

- "Dieselpunk" in its purest form! Well, development prospects:

[KSANDER7]

In the photo there is not only a traumatic pistol-Izh 79-9tm, or mr 79-9tm, which was lit not only by the presence of traumatic cartridges, but also by the absence of a "beard", a bushing with creeping, but also a machine gun there, not an automatic machine, but a "tuned" one smoothbore saiga 410 !! Take a closer look at the fastened store !!! In general, as they say, find 10 differences, a real special forces soldier, from a "home" special forces soldier! And of course, given the "lethal" power of traumatic cartridges, such a store for traumatics is just that! It would still not hurt to fire them automatically, so that they would surely shoot a bullet! Only in our country with its "magic" laws, the store for civilian weapons is limited to a capacity of only 10 rounds, and automatic fire is somehow prohibited. So all this innovation is good only for such charismatic photos !!! Which, by the way, turned out not bad

[horst1]

Colleagues. Increasing the size of the store is actually a hot topic for OOOP. Makarych has 8, but according to the law, you can 10. For this purpose we specially released the heel +2 rounds to the store. Replace the standard one with ours and get 10 in the store, as recommended by the law "on weapons".
The heel is made with an extraction button that transmits movement to the magazine latch. Otherwise, the finger of an average man cannot get there and it can take a long time to remove a store.

Project Developer PM-Laser

[bulackin.i]

The main thing about PPSh 7,62 and PM 9 mm and how to shoot