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Shop increased capacity for Makarov pistol



Probably, this will be the first reaction of the person reading this post.
And immediately 2 questions arise, how and why?

But first things first

Generally Makarov pistol is weapon for permanent wear, and more suitable for defense than for attack. From here and the small capacity of the store and a small sighting line, which is a consequence of small dimensions, well, and a cartridge of insufficient power to take body armor. These are not the drawbacks of the gun, these are its features, and this should be understood.



So the first question ... why make a magazine for 80 + cartridges for a gun of constant wear? Well, firstly, the PM even now is used in assault operations, and it is used not only because of the lack of a worthy alternative, but also because of the love for it of so many employees. In general, we will not continue now about any pistols Yarygin and so on ...
So, the increase in the capacity of the store is one of the steps to adapt this gun to perform unusual tasks for him.



Second question. How? We take the store from the PM, we take the store from the PPSh) Well, then the matter of technology.



In the end, I got a different angle of the cartridges in the store.



But at the same time the top cartridge stands as expected.

One of the problems that arose during the first tests of the store was the impossibility of its quick retrieval, which was solved quite simply.



We catch the key ring on the latch and quietly remove the store)



According to preliminary test results, the store is working, but there are still field trials with shooting ahead.

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  1. Refund_SSSR
    Refund_SSSR 29 July 2013 06: 54 New
    14
    Absolutely meaningless and even idiotic stray.
    Well, I understand up to 15-20 rounds of ammunition to rock a standard store, they stick a stump out of the handle, it will not greatly affect convenience ... But +80 !!!
    it can be called with just one phrase "do not know the sense of proportion" or, even shorter, "greed"

    And naturally, this "collective farm" outright merges even the most simple or even handicraft PP, including the convenience of constant wearing.
    1. Refund_SSSR
      Refund_SSSR 29 July 2013 07: 24 New
      25
      Although for straight arms growing from the right place - definitely a plus laughing
      1. bazilio
        bazilio 29 July 2013 11: 43 New
        +7
        "for the idea - five, but on the subject - not" (c)
        Judging by the photos, this device is not very comfortable to hold, and wearing a holster is also problematic. I think the author has the same device in turn for the APS.
        1. self-propelled
          self-propelled 29 July 2013 14: 58 New
          11
          similar already
          1. bazilio
            bazilio 29 July 2013 15: 51 New
            +3
            Quote: self-propelled
            similar already

            Yes, I also remembered about Luger P08))) but here is a slightly different case, and this store has not received much of a special. The Lange P08 you mentioned with an elongated barrel (200 mm, for PM - 94 mm) and a stock was the last representative of the rifle pistol. It was adopted in 1913. as the main weapon art. calculations and commanders of machine gun companies. In 1917, Herr Leer developed a magazine for 32 rounds (and not 80+) for this gun. In the future, this boutiques. It was used for MP-18, later PP and displaced carbine pistols. Therefore, soon after the First World War, it became clear that such stores for pistols are not justified.
          2. roial
            29 July 2013 22: 32 New
            +6
            or newer
    2. Zerstorer
      Zerstorer 29 July 2013 09: 37 New
      +8
      That's it ... Give pills for greed and more, more!
    3. Canep
      Canep 29 July 2013 10: 43 New
      +6
      This is a convenient thing for the executioner, if you need to shoot thousands. To screw a store from PPSh to a gun - what kind of sick imagination do you need?
      When I read the title of the article, I thought it would be about PMM, with a magazine for 12 rounds, and here SUCH a figment of a sick imagination.
      One of the problems that arose during the first tests of the store was the inability to quickly retrieve it,
      With such a capacity, in my opinion, the store does not have to be changed at all.
    4. arutun
      arutun 29 July 2013 11: 11 New
      +6
      I think the author is not going to wear this all the time, remember the pictures from Afghanistan, where the NATO PPSh were carried with them when cleaning houses, because 72 cartridges are more than 20 or 30. And in short distances the number and rate of fire decide, PPS with this is all in okay.
      That's just PM is not automatic, and such a rate of fire will not provide.
      Therefore, as an experiment, it can quite clearly show that the PM can still surprise, but in practice, I would prefer any modern submachine gun than such a makeshift.
      Although the color and taste as they say ...
    5. sub307
      sub307 29 July 2013 16: 26 New
      +3
      I agree, one of the design distortions. Similar designs like have already been used for other pistols but apparently did not take root.
    6. luiswoo
      luiswoo 29 July 2013 18: 50 New
      +3
      Quote: We refund_SSSR
      And naturally, this "collective farm" outright merges even the most simple or even handicraft PP, including the convenience of constant wearing.

      Perhaps the main thing was not the rate of fire, namely a large number of rounds, so as not to be recharged once again - for the shield shield, for example, because the other hand is busy.
  2. Flying Dutchman
    Flying Dutchman 29 July 2013 07: 26 New
    17
    Such a store I think would be more suitable for Stechkin
  3. Vasily Terkin
    Vasily Terkin 29 July 2013 07: 26 New
    +7
    Now you can’t give it with a hand on the head) the drum will fall off
    1. dustycat
      dustycat 29 July 2013 19: 02 New
      +2
      Quote: Vasily Terkin
      Now you can’t give it with a hand on the head) the drum will fall off

      The radish itself gets shocked in shock when it sees in the hands of the storming.
  4. sergey72
    sergey72 29 July 2013 07: 50 New
    13
    I looked at the photo and thought that today is the first of April, it turned out not ... laughing
  5. kafa
    kafa 29 July 2013 07: 55 New
    14
    Now bipod, butt, Ltsu, PNV, grenade launcher, flashlight, shield and rushed
  6. Sirocco
    Sirocco 29 July 2013 08: 18 New
    +4
    So for the sake of pampering, I think that this store will not have any practical application. It is heavy, hold it on an outstretched arm. For these purposes (special forces) was developed PP "Bizon"
  7. Brummbar
    Brummbar 29 July 2013 08: 19 New
    +4
    Well, if you stick a tattoo on Stechkin you can still understand.
  8. omsbon
    omsbon 29 July 2013 08: 24 New
    +2
    Rave! It's funny to even discuss.
  9. Terrible ensign
    Terrible ensign 29 July 2013 08: 28 New
    +8
    "Each person has their own ideas about beauty ..."
    Smiled almost to the ears ...
    Well, in order:
    1. What is the convenience of shooting? - It is rather an inconvenience. Or the classic PM-ka, which is easily held when firing with one hand, or a kind of "stray", the weight of the magazine which will be more than the weight of the pistol itself. Apply only with two hands? .. Not always possible ...
    2. Being placed in the equipped state in unloading, it objectively creates obstacles when moving through inconveniences (window openings, narrow passages between buildings, dense bushes. Again, moving by crawling, on "four bones", etc. ...) It may seem ridiculous, but in 1993, together with the "fellow-wrestlers", one villain had to be detained "on all fours" - for 15-20 minutes he was pursued in dense thickets of either willow or willow. Natural "cockroach races" were ... Well, how, with this gadget to deal with such garbage? ..
    3. Please pay attention to the ammunition that stores are equipped with ... Is this a battle trellis?
    4. The guy’s hands are clearly in place. I agree with this one hundred percent ... But the way of thinking does not give in to my understanding!
  10. OLDTODD
    OLDTODD 29 July 2013 08: 29 New
    +2
    The first APR has not yet passed ???? wink
  11. Professor
    Professor 29 July 2013 09: 03 New
    23
    I read and immediately remembered this:

  12. fennekRUS
    fennekRUS 29 July 2013 09: 06 New
    13
    Smiled ... well-done author. To critics, this stray has been created, I believe out of love for pure art, and does not bear any practical load) Anyway, there must be something impractical, but sincere in life))) gentlemen live in Russia.
  13. gych
    gych 29 July 2013 09: 28 New
    -9
    It’s a complete perversion! Not only does the author of the torturer convince us that PM is better than modern models of the same ПЯ or ГШ! Also, traumatic pictures were posted! Didn’t play enough war games in childhood?
    1. Owl
      Owl 29 July 2013 10: 13 New
      10
      The PM is superior in reliability to the PY pistol.
    2. German
      German 29 July 2013 23: 22 New
      +1
      You, dear, with C.Yu. Problems? The author checks us all!
  14. kind
    kind 29 July 2013 09: 43 New
    +8
    Pinned a guy on an adult, well done !!! You see, something sensible will come up! Without such eccentrics it would be boring !!!
  15. 6216390
    6216390 29 July 2013 10: 08 New
    +6
    To evaluate it, you need to at least hold it in your hands, it looks good, photo 3.
    However, unambiguously, in connection with the imbalance of the balance, the accuracy of the shooting significantly deteriorated.
    To the author plus for indefatigability. I am sure that there will be those who want to put it into practice.
  16. Owl
    Owl 29 July 2013 10: 12 New
    +5
    "A circle of skillful hands", the use of a PM pistol weighted with such a magazine (PM is respected for its reliability, but everyone knows about the weakness of 9x18 mm ammunition) in assault operations this is complete nonsense, the reaction speed of the hand holding such "magic" will decrease very significantly, and fast aiming weapons on target is one of the components of victory in a short-lived battle, what is the reliability of such a store is a very difficult question. It would be better if the author invented various types and types of attachment of additional body kits for pistols and machine guns that do not require a change in the design of the weapon sample (this is prohibited).
  17. Prapor Afonya
    Prapor Afonya 29 July 2013 11: 14 New
    +1
    Quote: We refund_SSSR
    Absolutely meaningless and even idiotic stray.
    Well, I understand up to 15-20 rounds of ammunition to rock a standard store, they stick a stump out of the handle, it will not greatly affect convenience ... But +80 !!!
    it can be called with just one phrase "do not know the sense of proportion" or, even shorter, "greed"

    And naturally, this "collective farm" outright merges even the most simple or even handicraft PP, including the convenience of constant wearing.

    I will support, I think this is nonsense! It’s okay to enlarge according to the ultrasound principle, to lengthen the store, but this is too much for mine!
  18. Terrible ensign
    Terrible ensign 29 July 2013 11: 34 New
    +4
    So, we have a "trauma" with an awesome capacity store. We grind off the ledge of the whispered (which will allow us to fire in bursts), find a room in which a bunch of specific "villains" have gathered, quietly open the door and turn the whole store into the ceiling with a burst of "barrel melt". Further, as in the joke about the Chinese and the rubber bomb ... - "she continues to jump" ...
  19. report4
    report4 29 July 2013 11: 34 New
    +3
    Hmmm .. And the author tried to fire a couple of hundred shots from such a store? The percentage of wrong feed is just interesting.
    Well, the geometry of combat and traumatic cartridges is somewhat different, it is unclear whether this will work in principle on a combat pistol.
    It would be better if the ordinary double-rower did 16+ - the benefits are an order of magnitude greater.
    1. Terrible ensign
      Terrible ensign 29 July 2013 15: 11 New
      +1
      The guy does not have the capabilities of not only a factory, but a normal mechanical workshop: "And it is much easier to pin something on the side than to interfere with the design of a product ..."
  20. gych
    gych 29 July 2013 11: 38 New
    -2
    Quote: Eagle Owl
    The PM is superior in reliability to the PY pistol.
    and therefore he needs a disk store? Have you ever shot a real PM?
    1. Colonel
      Colonel 29 July 2013 12: 11 New
      -1
      Have you ever shot a real PM?
      Eagle owl, do not answer, otherwise ... they moderate in short repeat
  21. georg737577
    georg737577 29 July 2013 13: 10 New
    +4
    It’s easier to make a cut-off from PPSh ...
  22. vkrav
    vkrav 29 July 2013 13: 40 New
    +3
    The idea, in general, is not new. The first, it seemed, was Luger. Yes, and now similar ones roam in their heads :), for example, Glock with a drum store saw somewhere
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  25. abrakadabre
    abrakadabre 29 July 2013 15: 12 New
    +7
    The author is a definite plus. No, not for practicality. But for the love of art and that hands grow from the right place.

    Next in line is a tape-powered gun. Then on the track. Then with sub-caliber or volume-detonating bullets.
    wassat
    1. Nirag013
      Nirag013 29 July 2013 17: 53 New
      +3
      Definitely, I SUPPORT! In addition - on a hovercraft (like "Jeyran") or with radar guidance ... You have a great sense of humor, sir! laughing
      1. georg737577
        georg737577 30 July 2013 22: 58 New
        0
        Do not forget about the grenade launcher and bayonet-knife ...
        1. papik09
          papik09 31 July 2013 03: 34 New
          0
          And the ability to shoot at air targets ... fellow
  26. abrakadabre
    abrakadabre 29 July 2013 15: 13 New
    +1
    In general, a lot of options.
  27. MAG
    MAG 29 July 2013 16: 33 New
    +1
    Stores seem to be cold-welded and clumsy. There is a point to such a store, but the choice of weapons is not right in my opinion. Such a store may be suitable for a fighter with a shield (fence), but the PM is neither slaughter nor penetrative, much less stopping.
    1. dustycat
      dustycat 29 July 2013 19: 10 New
      +1
      Quote: MAG
      Stores seem to be cold-welded and clumsy. There is a point to such a store, but the choice of weapons is not right in my opinion. Such a store may be suitable for a fighter with a shield (fence), but the PM is neither slaughter nor penetrative, much less stopping.

      When storming the premises, it seems to be just.
      And quickly redirecting with such an application is not a problem.
      And the short range of slaughter in the subject - rebounds are minimal (not for rubber bullets).
      Although the balance and ease of use of weapons ?????
      This energy would be for peaceful purposes ....
  28. TS3sta3
    TS3sta3 29 July 2013 19: 11 New
    +6
    no limit ... (add yourself later)
    1. tilovaykrisa
      tilovaykrisa 29 July 2013 19: 25 New
      +1
      Here is such a thing you need to chip in to Zimerman.
  29. 0-0
    0-0 29 July 2013 19: 12 New
    +7
    Continuing the topic)
    1. Owl
      Owl 30 July 2013 10: 49 New
      +1
      With a small assault rifle (9A91) or with a submachine gun (SR-2M, Vityaz, Cypress) it is more convenient.
  30. bear
    bear 29 July 2013 21: 13 New
    +2
    class !!! Only by experimenting can you get something new.
  31. leonardo_1971
    leonardo_1971 29 July 2013 21: 17 New
    0
    in Chechnya I saw among the employees of the Ministry of Internal Affairs. 2 pistols, usually PM and APS, and 10 stores for each barrel.
  32. tilovaykrisa
    tilovaykrisa 29 July 2013 21: 18 New
    +4
    what about here? If served, you know that there are never many rounds.
    1. Roman_999
      Roman_999 30 July 2013 00: 05 New
      0
      True, ammunition is never surplus, this burden does not pull.

      I wonder how many shots can be made from a drum makar, so that:
      1. Beginning to confidently wedge the supply of cartridges into the chamber.
      2. The pace of continuous firing, on overheating of the barrel.
      3. and in the future, will it spit ?, if so, how much (spacing on the impact range let's say 25 meters)

      PS The idea is not new, but interesting, minus one - the dimensions, and I think the severity, although it’s workable to work out such a load with training.
      The pluses are obvious. The article is undoubtedly interesting. Thank.
  33. MRomanovich
    MRomanovich 30 July 2013 06: 09 New
    0
    to make the PM automatic is not a tricky business and in this case the disk is quite appropriate, and in rare cases it will even be useful, but I’m afraid the gun will become disposable and it will be necessary to change the guns themselves, not the magazines.
  34. Marek Rozny
    Marek Rozny 30 July 2013 14: 24 New
    0
    The author is well done. However, realizing that he used the existing standard PPSh drum, I think it is better to make a new drum of reduced volume. Let there be 30 rounds of ammunition. And the weight will decrease, and the size and wearing will be more convenient.
  35. Chelff
    Chelff 30 July 2013 22: 25 New
    +2
    Maybe to me, stupid, who will explain HOW the last 10-11 rounds will get into the chamber?
    1. papik09
      papik09 31 July 2013 03: 39 New
      0
      And these cartridges are NZ wassat
  36. wasjasibirjac
    wasjasibirjac 31 July 2013 08: 19 New
    0
    But this Davis is a traumatic, not a combat one, it is clearly visible that there are no bullets in the cartridge. another question is not resolved - the supply of cartridges, because the PPSh disk does not have a feeder that will pick up the last cartridges, 10 pieces.
    1. Chelff
      Chelff 2 August 2013 18: 38 New
      0
      From the same, and I about it!
  37. old rats
    old rats 31 July 2013 18: 14 New
    0
    Long live the victory of technology over common sense !!! smile
  38. Andrey77
    Andrey77 1 August 2013 13: 41 New
    0
    These are not pistol flaws, these are its features, and this must be understood.
    --
    What's the difference? Author? You must understand the customer requirements for the gun. And to the cartridge for him.
    ====
    So, the increase in the capacity of the store is one of the steps to adapt this gun to perform unusual tasks for him.

    And if I put the engine from BMW on the Lada? It is necessary to capture the PM from the employees and equip the same GS or Glock-17. Half of the PM is remelted, there is such wear ...
  39. Doznanied
    Doznanied 2 August 2013 13: 30 New
    0
    Interestingly, how does the PM barrel react to the shooting of the entire store in a row?
  40. bunta
    bunta 3 August 2013 18: 08 New
    +1
    Even such a simple little cartoon, but made by one’s own hands, evokes more respect than the groans of kitchen experts about the need for a two-sided handle for the shutter frame for AK.
  41. Sanches
    Sanches 4 August 2013 19: 07 New
    0
    stechkin with his rate of fire would be more suitable, garnslovo
  42. Sour
    Sour 6 August 2013 20: 33 New
    0
    A weapon with such an aiming range simply cannot be suitable for a long battle. This is not a debatable issue; it is like twice two. And if so, then such a store is not needed. Such an article would be appropriate on April 1st.
  43. tracer
    tracer 7 August 2013 05: 27 New
    0
    And I liked the idea. And the point is not at all that it is a mixture of a bulldog with a rhinoceros. Rather, even with an "ear-throat" in meaning. But voila, here you are .... Plaisir Mua ... In the dash of the fool, you have a very good idea .. There is one problem. In most "mass shooting countries", magazines are generally limited to 10 rounds. Sometimes less. Even in the United States, from state to state, all gun rules are very different. As an idea .. I'm sure it's very good (even if it works every other time). Because in the dash it doesn't matter at all. There is still a lack of a modern self-loading pistol in Russia. Yes, so that the same glorious as Stechkin, yes Makarov ..... Oh, straight "rifle drama" one word ...
  44. Hauptam
    Hauptam 14 August 2013 17: 49 New
    0
    In battle, there are few rounds! The inconvenience of use is a matter of habit. Now, if they came up with tape power, then yes power wink
  45. yan
    yan 16 August 2013 14: 53 New
    0
    The main engineering idea is not asleep hi
  46. saygon66
    saygon66 18 August 2013 19: 15 New
    0
    - "Dieselpunk" in its purest form! Well, development prospects:
  47. KSANDER7
    KSANDER7 6 February 2014 01: 37 New
    +1
    In the photo there is not only a traumatic pistol-Izh 79-9tm, or mr 79-9tm, which was lit not only by the presence of traumatic cartridges, but also by the absence of a "beard", a bushing with creeping, but also a machine gun there, not an automatic machine, but a "tuned" one smoothbore saiga 410 !! Take a closer look at the fastened store !!! laughing In general, as they say, find 10 differences, a real special forces soldier, from a "home" special forces soldier! wink And of course, given the "lethal" power of traumatic cartridges, such a store for traumatics is just that! laughing It would still not hurt to fire them automatically, so that they would surely shoot a bullet! Only in our country with its "magic" laws, the store for civilian weapons is limited to a capacity of only 10 rounds, and automatic fire is somehow prohibited. So all this innovation is good only for such charismatic photos !!! Which, by the way, turned out not bad wink
    1. horst1
      horst1 12 November 2016 23: 31 New
      0
      Colleagues. Increasing the size of the store is actually a hot topic for OOOP. Makarych has 8, but according to the law, you can 10. For this purpose we specially released the heel +2 rounds to the store. Replace the standard one with ours and get 10 in the store, as recommended by the law "on weapons".
      The heel is made with an extraction button that transmits movement to the magazine latch. Otherwise, the finger of an average man cannot get there and it can take a long time to remove a store.

      Project Developer PM-Laser