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The fate of prisoners of war - from the concentration camp to the castle of Paulus

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The fate of prisoners of war - from the concentration camp to the castle of PaulusFor any soldier, war is hard work, with every second risk of losing life. The only thing that helps him to maintain a healthy psyche and endure deprivation - weapon in the arms and shoulder of a comrade. But what happens to a soldier when an enemy captures him prisoner? To the physical suffering and deprivation of liberty adds a strong psychological pressure from the enemy, the conflict between the sense of duty and the elementary human desire to survive ...


Shoot everyone!

In total, tens of millions of people passed through captivity during the Second World War and after it ended, many of them died or were missing. The Soviet Union suffered huge losses among prisoners of war, as well as in general in war. Of the 5,7 million Red Army soldiers who were captured, 3,3 million people did not return to their homeland.

True, as it turned out much later, some prisoners of war released from concentration camps by units of the allies simply did not want to return to the USSR. They probably had a good idea of ​​what awaited them, although they were not familiar with the cryptogram of Marshal Zhukov, in which he ordered not only all the Red Army soldiers who had come out of captivity, but also their families to be shot. “All families who surrendered to the enemy will be shot, and upon returning from captivity, they will also be shot”, Zhukov transferred this recommendation to the Baltic command fleet and front armies on September 28, 1941.

The code was found not so long ago in the archive documents of RGASPI. She was quoted in a letter from the Chief of the Main Political Directorate of the Workers 'and Peasants' Navy, Army Commissioner Second Rank Ivan Rogov, to the Secretary of the All-Union Communist Party Central Committee Georgy Malenkov, dated October 5 of 1941.

In the order of Stalin for the number 270 ordered only "to deprive of state benefits and assistance" of the family of the captured soldiers of the Red Army. Families of captives from among the commanders and political workers awaited arrest. Zhukov tried to go further, but the political department of the Baltic Fleet decided to soften his order and ordered to shoot upon return only the defectors themselves.

Thus, it does not matter whether Red Army soldiers accidentally or deliberately were captured, many of them were well aware that the way back to them was closed. The stalemate of the Soviet soldier created good conditions for the enemy to conduct ideological processing among the prisoners of war, and even the formation of military units from them.

Marshals and Private

The Wehrmacht soldiers and officers had a slightly different attitude towards captivity. When news that a German soldier was taken prisoner, his family also went to a concentration camp. But in the event of a return or escape from captivity, the chance to save the life of himself and his family from a German soldier was quite large.

During the period of the Great Patriotic War, about 3,2 million Wehrmacht servicemen were captured by the Soviet Union, while 1,1 million people died in captivity. Naturally, the overwhelming majority of prisoners of war, on both sides, were ordinary soldiers and junior commanders. They suffered hunger, cold, epidemics, hard work and other captivity. Privates were used as gratuitous labor, and the attitude towards them was appropriate. A completely different attitude developed towards the captured high military ranks.

Senior officers were less than 3% of prisoners of war, but they were of particular interest in terms of use in reconnaissance and political maneuvers, and therefore most of all experienced psychological pressure. As an example of successful ideological processing, we can consider the fate of German officers captured after the Battle of Stalingrad.

Quiet life

The enemy grouping surrounded at Stalingrad capitulated at the end of January 1943. 91 thousand soldiers, 24 generals and 2500 officers were taken prisoner. The commander of the sixth army, Field Marshal Friedrich Paulus, was also in captivity. He and all the captured Wehrmacht top officers in the summer of 1943 of the year got into a specially created "general" camp No. 48 located in the village of Cherntsy, Ivanovo region. After each successful operation of the Red Army, the number of German generals in the camp increased.

No atrocities were observed in the camp, no one beat or tortured the prisoners. Prisoners even called the camp “castle” because of fairly good conditions. Of course, the camp area was surrounded by barbed wire and guarded. Going beyond the territory and contacts with the local population were strictly prohibited. But the prisoners themselves, more correctly, were not kept, but lived comfortably in a well-renovated old manor, they had orderlies from their own, ordinary soldiers.

In the daily routine, only hours of sleep and eating were accurately tracked; the rest of the time, the generals conducted at their own discretion. At their disposal were a garden and a garden, carpentry workshops. Paulus drew a lot, some of his drawings are still kept in Chernetskaya High School. Reading, as well as learning the Russian language was encouraged. For those who wish, courses on the study of the Russian language were organized, and teachers were invited.

If necessary, the books were delivered directly from the metropolitan library to them. V.I. Lenin. The generals read and translated Lev Tolstoy and Gorky, Sholokhov and Ehrenburg. Someone after some time, at his own request, began to read Lenin and Stalin. Soviet pre-war comedies were often shown in the camp. The generals regularly read the Soviet press and were well aware of all the events taking place at the front. The camp administration organized discussions on the given topics. Wehrmacht officers prepared and made reports on the reasons for the defeat of Germany and on the possible post-war world order.

Results

Such a well-adjusted, quiet life, seasoned with Russian culture and Soviet literature, bore fruit. Less than a year, several generals took anti-fascist positions and agreed to cooperate with the Soviet authorities. General von Seidlitz, for example, became one of the leaders of the anti-Hitler coalition and leader of the German officers organized in the camp.

Already in October-November, 1943 of the year von Zeidlitz was brought to that sector of the North-Western Front, where his strike group was fighting at that time. There he wrote letters to the commander of the 16 and 18 armies and the commander of the Nord group, made flyers, recorded records with performances. In them, Seidlitz called on German soldiers and officers to change their attitude towards the war, and to save Germany from the collapse, to which Hitler inevitably led the country. All this information was transmitted through parliamentarians and scattered from aircraft over German positions.

8 August 1944, the long-resisting Field Marshal Paulus, agreed to openly oppose Hitler with a call to the German army. A message about this was immediately sent to Stalin along with the text of the appeal signed by Paulus and 40 more by generals and officers. The reason for this, of course, was the fundamental changes during the war, information about which was carefully communicated to the field marshal (advancing the Soviet army to the borders of Germany, declaring war against Germany by Germany, attempting to kill Hitler, etc.). From this point on, Paulus revised his position on the anti-fascist movement and on August 14 joined the Union of German officers.

Of course, loyalty to the prisoners was observed only as needed. The further fate of the same General von Seidlitz is quite tragic. The former commander of the 51 Army Corps, sentenced in absentia by the Nazis to the death penalty, was convicted by the Soviet military tribunal 8 on July 1950 of the year for 25 years and placed in Butyrka and then Novocherkassk prison. His wife and four daughters were kept during the war in a fascist concentration camp — as a family of a traitor to their homeland, and after the war already in the Soviet Union — as a family of a war criminal. When Seidlits learned about the fate of his loved ones, his psyche could not withstand this blow, and doctors recognized he had a reactive psychosis.

The fate of Field Marshal Paulus was more favorable, he was not put in prison. However, his repatriation, scheduled already in 1949, was postponed under various pretexts. The Paulus family in 1944 was also arrested by the fascists and kept in a concentration camp. The wife died, without waiting for his return. When the field marshal fell ill, he was treated, taken to the Crimea, kept in good conditions, but the request to return to Germany was rejected. Field Marshal Paulus returned to his homeland only in 1953, after the death of Stalin.

And in the “general's” camp, up to 1956, generals and officers of the Japanese army underwent ideological processing. After their repatriation, it ceased to exist, and now it is just a monument stories.
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  1. lars
    lars 22 June 2013 08: 12 New
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    "Единственное, что помогает ему сохранить здоровую психику и переносить лишения — оружие в руках и плечо товарища ..."
    Not the only one.
    - Vera!
    - The land that he protects!
    - The family that is waiting for him and believes!
    and more
    1. cartridge
      cartridge 22 June 2013 09: 23 New
      +6
      Of the 5,7 million Red Army soldiers who were captured, 3,3 million did not return to their homeland.


      Despite the fact that a lot of time has passed, it is necessary to outline the topic of monetary compensation from Germany and all its European allies in the war (and this is almost all of Europe) to family members or heirs of our tortured prisoners of war. Plus, accompany this with a powerful advocacy campaign on human rights, genocide, violations of conventions, etc.
      Может в лоб этими претензиями и не надо бить сразу, но показывая периодически при встрече дуло этого "пистолета" можно сделать наших европейских партнёров уступчивее по целом ряду вопросов, например по отмене виз или соблюдению прав человека или недопущению фальсификации истории войны в учебниках... В общем, как говорят, тут могут быть варианты
      1. Katsin
        Katsin 22 June 2013 10: 12 New
        -21
        Why do you need the abolition of visas to the rotting liberalistic hated by you West? Be consistent to the end, relax on the golden ring of Russia, invest in Russia, Belarus and Syria :-)
        1. The comment was deleted.
        2. alicante11
          alicante11 22 June 2013 12: 47 New
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          And we, ordinary Russians, do not need this visa abolition. For me personally in Evreype nothing interesting and no.
        3. datur
          datur 22 June 2013 17: 17 New
          +3
          [quote = Katsin] Why do you need the abolition of visas to the decaying liberalistic hated West? Be consistent until the end, relax on the golden ring of Russia, invest in Russia, Belarus and Syria :-) [offer u!
        4. NOBODY EXCEPT US
          NOBODY EXCEPT US 23 June 2013 01: 11 New
          +1
          The person says, why so many minuses? ...
      2. Nordwest
        Nordwest 22 June 2013 18: 25 New
        0
        It is necessary to work, and not rely on compensation.
      3. George
        George 22 June 2013 23: 30 New
        +5

        Despite the fact that a lot of time has passed, it is necessary to outline the topic of monetary compensation from Germany and all its European allies in the war (and this is almost all of Europe) to family members or heirs of our tortured prisoners of war.

        a hunchbacked bald man ... forgave the good Germans half of the debt for reparations. Moreover, soon after that, European human rights activists managed to get Germany to pay compensation to all those whom they had stolen to work and kept in concentration camps. Initially, it was about Europeans; Five years later, the practice was extended to residents of the former USSR.
        In any normal country, the government would create a public organization, finance it and ensure that all victims receive compensation. However, we have to prove that they were stolen to German hard labor, starved and overworked, the prisoners themselves had to.
  2. BARKAS
    BARKAS 22 June 2013 09: 37 New
    +9
    It is not right to say that the repressions against those who visited the Red Army were total, many, after being released from German captivity, were restored in the title of awards, and among them were the heroes of the Soviet Union!
    1. nnz226
      nnz226 22 June 2013 18: 29 New
      +5
      I completely agree! Classic example: foreman Dubinda. He was captured in July 1942 near Sevastopol (the leaders left almost 80 thousands of excellent soldiers and sailors to the mercy of fate). Sat in captivity. He was released in 1944 (apparently, he was sitting in a camp near Simferopol) and was not sent to Siberia in commodity. I got up again. He came off the Germans so that in ONE YEAR (!!!) he became a Hero of the Soviet Union and a FULL CAVALER of the Order of Glory !!! And there were only 4 people in the USSR during the whole war.
      1. gorsten79
        gorsten79 28 March 2015 21: 54 New
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        "Отрывался на немцах..."Правильно,поэтому из бывших военнопленных штурмовые группы и формировались.Смысл таких бесстрашных в Сибирь угонять?
  3. omsbon
    omsbon 22 June 2013 10: 06 New
    +7
    "Пленный бесправен, он не человек." - есть такая старая тевтонская поговорка. Этой "мудростью" немцы и руководствовались.
    In my opinion, the maintenance of the Germans in the prisoner of war camp and the Russians in the death camps are two big differences.
  4. Katsin
    Katsin 22 June 2013 10: 09 New
    -6
    The son of Paulus, a military officer, refused to communicate with him upon his return from Russian captivity, considering his father a traitor
    1. alicante11
      alicante11 22 June 2013 12: 48 New
      +5
      It’s just that he also spent time in a concentration camp. Well, offended by dad, that he did not shoot himself in time.
  5. PValery53
    PValery53 22 June 2013 11: 19 New
    -4
    Знаете, показательное великодушие по отношению к немецким военнопленным на фоне концлагерей смерти для наших пленных и обнищания простого народа - это плевок в душу нашего народа. Их надо было содержать в суровых условиях и не лебезить перед ними(особенно, генералами и офицерами). Такое проявление "слабости" потом нам выходит боком. Скорее,здесь вмешалась большая политика, будь она неладна.
  6. Aleksys2
    Aleksys2 22 June 2013 11: 35 New
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    The code was found not so long ago in the archive documents of RGASPI. She was quoted in a letter from the Chief of the Main Political Directorate of the Workers 'and Peasants' Navy, Army Commissioner Second Rank Ivan Rogov, to the Secretary of the All-Union Communist Party Central Committee Georgy Malenkov, dated October 5 of 1941.

    To clarify, this cryptogram was not found in any archives. There is only a link to it.
    Next:
    In total, during the Great Patriotic War, about 3,2 million Wehrmacht troops fell into Soviet captivity, while 1,1 million people were captured. Naturally, the vast majority of prisoners of war, from both sides, were ordinary soldiers and junior command personnel. They fell hunger, cold, epidemics, hard work and other burdens of captivity. The rank and file were used as gratuitous labor, and the attitude towards them was appropriate.

    Let's separate the flies from the cutlets. The attitude towards captured Germans in the USSR never corresponds to the attitude towards captured Red Army soldiers in Germany. German prisoners were kept in accordance with the requirements of the Hague conventions (although formally the USSR might not have done so, since the USSR did not sign the Hague conventions, but Germany was OBLIGED to comply with them, the sneaker Germany signed them, and she respected them in relation to the captured British and Americans). German prisoners did not starve.
    NKS USSR
    Telegram

    military councils of the fronts north, northwest, west, southwest
    establish standards for the daily allowance of prisoners of war of the German army for incoming APP of the following sizes: rye bread gr. 600, flour 85 percent gr. gr. 20, cereals different gr. 90, pasta gr. 10, meat gr. 40, fish including herring gr. 120, vegetable oil gr. 20 sugar gr 20, shag 5 packs a month, tea surrogate gr one and a half, potatoes other vegetables gr 600, tomato puree gr 6, red pepper black 13 hundredth gr, leaf bay gr two tenths, salt gr 20, laundry soap gr 200 month, matches of boxes 5 month. explain to the commanders of the fighters that the red army is fighting against German imperialism, the Nazis, but not the German proletarians in military uniforms. bullying of prisoners, food deprivation is unacceptable - politically harmful. ngsh beetles. Guy Khrulev. NO 131 23 June 41
    1. svp67
      svp67 22 June 2013 13: 36 New
      +4
      “All families who surrendered to the enemy will be shot and upon returning from captivity they will also be shot”, Zhukov transferred this recommendation to the command of the Baltic Fleet and the armies of the 28 front on September 1941.
      What kind of military concepts are recommendations, this is nonsense. Well, whoever, but Zhukov did not recommend, but ORDERED and, most importantly, ALWAYS sought the execution of his orders, so that show at least ONE EXECUTION of this ORDER and then you can talk about it, and you can say a lot of things to say your to cover up sins ...
      1. Petrovich
        Petrovich 22 June 2013 13: 58 New
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        Да и не полномочен был Жуков такие "рекомендации" давать.
    2. spanchbob
      spanchbob 23 June 2013 18: 20 New
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      I can’t say about 1,1 million out of 3,2 million, but according to Germany, out of 91 thousand captured at Stalingrad, -6 thousand returned. The last captured Germans returned home only in 1957 after the demands of K. Adenauer, as a condition for improving relations and providing credit
      1. Aleksys2
        Aleksys2 23 June 2013 21: 25 New
        +1
        Quote: spanchbob
        but according to Germany from 91tys who were captured near Stalingrad, -6tys returned home.

        10 22 Germans (including the 1943 general and about 91 officers) were captured from 545 January to 24 February 2500, and there were also tens of thousands of dead. The prisoners were in terrible condition. More than 500 people were unconscious, 70 percent had dystrophy, almost all suffered from vitamin deficiency and were in a state of extreme physical and mental exhaustion. Lung inflammation, tuberculosis, heart disease, and kidney disease were widespread. Almost 60 percent of the prisoners had frostbite of the 2 and 3 degrees with complications in the form of gangrene and general blood poisoning. Finally, about 10 percent were in such a hopeless state that there was no longer any way to save them.
        There were no rooms suitable for accommodating a huge number of people, the water supply system did not function. Typhus and other infectious diseases continued to spread among prisoners. To leave them in Stalingrad meant to be doomed to death. Already on February 3-4, Germans who were able to move around, who were still waiting to be shot, were built into columns and began to be taken out of the city. The military doctor Otto Rühle in his book “Healing in Yelabuga” talks about the fact that all the fallen German soldiers were put on a sled and taken to the camp. At the time of capture, at least 40000 people needed immediate hospitalization. However, Camp No. 108 was not originally equipped with hospitals. They started their work only on 15 of February. By February 21, 8696 prisoners of war had already received medical care, of which 2775 was frostbite, and 1969 needed surgical operations due to injuries or illnesses. Despite this, people continued to die.
        General mortality among prisoners of war seriously worried the leadership of the USSR. In March, a joint commission of the People’s Health, NGOs, the NKVD and the Executive Committee of the Union of Red Cross and Red Crescent Societies was formed, which was supposed to examine the camp of the Camp Administration No. 108 and determine the causes of such high mortality. At the end of the month, the commission examined the camp in Khrenovoye. The inspection report said:
        “According to the acts of the physical state of prisoners of war who arrived at the camp, they are characterized by the following data: a) healthy - 29 percent, b) sick and depleted - 71 percent. The physical condition was determined by their appearance, prisoners of war who could move independently were treated as healthy. ”
        Another commission that examined a few days later the prisoner of war camp "Velsk" in its act wrote:
        “Prisoners of war have been identified as extremely overwhelmed, their condition is very exhausted. 57 percent mortality falls on dystrophy, 33 percent. - for typhus and 10 percent. - for other diseases ... Typhus, fatigue, vitamin deficiency were noted among German prisoners of war while still being surrounded in the Stalingrad region. "
        The general conclusions of the commission said that many prisoners of war arrived in camps with diseases that were irreversible. Be that as it may, by the 10 of May 1943 of the year 35099 the first inhabitants of the Becket camps were hospitalized, 28098 people were sent to other camps, and 27078 people died. Judging by the fact that after the war no more than 6000 people returned to Germany captured near Stalingrad, among whom there were many officers whose stay was held in relatively comfortable conditions, it can be assumed that most of the "Stalingrad" captured by the Red Army did not survive 1943 of the year.
  7. individual
    individual 22 June 2013 11: 40 New
    +2
    The split of the pre-war way of life by the war changed not only the borders of states, but the life of entire nations.
    The casualties of World War II affect the gene pool of lost generations.
    The fate of prisoners of war imposed a seal of grief and not a device in the memory of hundreds and thousands of warped families when the son renounced his father.
    It is not possible to imagine a more blasphemous deed of the results of the war.
  8. 101
    101 22 June 2013 11: 54 New
    +2
    Someone imagines what efforts are required to simply feed a million prisoners. And I will not believe that someone we or Germans or Americans will adequately contain our enemies to the detriment of our people. This is unrealistic
  9. maxvik
    maxvik 22 June 2013 12: 15 New
    +9
    Great-grandfather of my soulmate, was twice captured. He ran, partisan. At the end of the war, he was summoned to the authorities, packed his things on a long journey and went. He returned that day, scared, but happy :). The family was not subjected to repression.
    1. Rebus
      Rebus 22 June 2013 21: 26 New
      +3
      At the expense of repression, they say liberal bullshit ...
      Both grandfathers fought with me and one of them, in the 42nd, was captured (went to war as a volunteer, at the age of 36), was released from the concentration camp in the 45th and sent home, no repressions and other things followed for him , not for his children (my father was born in the 47th year) ...
      1. NOBODY EXCEPT US
        NOBODY EXCEPT US 23 June 2013 01: 14 New
        0
        Not everyone is lucky as your grandfather .....
  10. alicante11
    alicante11 22 June 2013 12: 52 New
    +5
    Article minus. The first article, which put a minus. The subject of Russian prisoners, apart from their terrifying numbers, is not disclosed. About the torments of German prisoners of war in Russian captivity - insolent lies. The main message is how well the fascist generals were kept, because they wanted to use them in politics. And when they used it, they threw it away.
    1. pan grizian
      pan grizian 22 June 2013 15: 32 New
      +2
      Exactly you noticed. Indeed, according to the article, it turns out that our prisoners according to the article had only one problem related to the possibility of punishment when returning to their own. And the rest is almost chocolate.
      And a concentration camp is kind of like a sanatorium.
    2. Aleksys2
      Aleksys2 22 June 2013 16: 37 New
      +3
      Quote: alicante11
      The main message is how well the fascist generals were kept, because they wanted to use them in politics.

      The answer is not for you, rather the author of the article:
      CONVENTION ON THE CONTENT OF POWERS. GENEVA. 27 JULY 1929
      Article Four
      Differences in the content of prisoners of war are allowed only if they are based on the difference in their military ranks, the state of physical and mental health, professional abilities, as well as on gender differences.
      Article Twenty-Two
      To provide service in the camps for prisoners of war officers, prisoners of war of the same army are allocated in a sufficient number according to the ranks of the officers and their equivalents, possibly speaking the same language.
      The latter will acquire food and clothing on a paycheck, which will be paid to them by a power containing prisoners. All assistance should be given to the independent disposition of officers with their allowance.
      Article eighty-two
      Provisions of this Convention must be respected by high contracting parties in all circumstances.
      If in case of war one of the belligerents is not party to the convention, nevertheless, its provisions remain binding on all belligerents who have signed the convention.

      I repeat once again: the USSR did not sign this convention because of an article of the fourth and similar ones, the USSR was against officer privileges, however, on July 17 of the 1941 of the USSR, in a government note transmitted to Germany through Sweden, it declared that it acceded to the Hague Convention, on condition reciprocity. However, this note was rejected by Germany. Later, the Soviet Union twice, in a note of the NKID of the USSR of November 25 of 1941 of the year and in a note of NKID of April of 27 of the year 1942, declared the implementation of the principles of the Hague Convention in relation to German prisoners of war, while at the same time accusing the German side of non-compliance with it. Moreover, in a note from April 27 of 1942 of the year it was said that the USSR had acceded to the Hague Convention de facto.
  11. Strashila
    Strashila 22 June 2013 16: 20 New
    0
    If everything was so simple. In the first weeks of the war, the Germans sent prisoners immediately to the deep rear, and they were distributed as slaves in the countryside to compensate when called from peasant families. They came under distribution when they returned to the USSR. who served in auxiliary units, there were those who worked in factories and other production, the Germans needed labor and used it to the maximum, these prisoners did not much want to go home. And the last category that really fell into the death camps. Although the published statistics (there were figures for the months released and the number of people who did not pass the test) it is clear that the prisoners were released under the distribution and released in early 1945, then the percentage sent to the camps is reduced.
    1. Aleksys2
      Aleksys2 22 June 2013 16: 51 New
      +3
      Quote: Strashila
      In the first weeks of the war, the Germans were sent prisoners immediately to the deep rear, and they were distributed as slaves in the countryside to compensate when called from peasant families.

      And where is the data from, if not secret?
      The Soviet prisoners of war who were captured were initially held either in the frontline zone or in the “dulags” located in the operational rear of the German troops. From there, they were transferred to stationary camps for prisoners of war - "stalag", and the command staff - to officers' camps - "stags".
      Front camps and "dulag" were located in agricultural buildings, warehouses, but most often - in open space - in ravines, quarries, lowlands. For the construction of camps for Soviet prisoners of war, an extremely simple method was used: an open space of several hectares was enclosed with barbed wire and placed watchtowers around. And only the high mortality of the prisoners subsequently forced the Nazis to settle Soviet soldiers and officers in barracks or stables, where, however, the conditions of detention were not much better.
      It should be noted that in the first months of the war against the Soviet Union, Soviet prisoners of war were not sent to the territory of the Reich, fearing the spread of communism among Germans. And only then, when mass epidemics broke out in prisoner-of-war camps, and the German economy felt a shortage of labor, did Hitler allow the captives to be sent to Germany.
      Captured Soviet troops were driven on foot or by train from places of captivity (mainly Belarus, Ukraine and western Russia) to German camps located on the territory of Poland, Germany and other countries.
      Начиная с 1943 года немецкое командование стало формировать «рабочие батальоны», рабочие команды. Эксплуатация бывших советских военнослужащих и угнанных на работу в Германию «восточных рабочих» (остарбайтеров) была безгранична: немецкие власти широко использовали рабочие команды на погрузочно-разгрузочных работах в портах и на железнодорожных станциях, на восстановительных работах, на различных тяжёлых работах на предприятиях угольной и горно-рудной промышленности, в чёрной и цветной металлургии. Законы, регулирующие труд в рабочие и воскресные дни, праздники, ночное время и т. д. на них не распространялись. В одном из распоряжений директора концерна «ИГ Фарбениндустри» настойчиво напоминалось, что «повышения производительности труда военнопленных можно добиться сокращением нормы выдачи продовольствия, <…> а также наказаниями, осуществляемыми армейскими инстанциями. Если кто-либо из восточных рабочих начнёт снижать производительность труда, то к нему будет применена сила и даже оружие».
      1. datur
        datur 22 June 2013 17: 20 New
        0
        -and then you want us to like! think about you? re-re
  12. datur
    datur 22 June 2013 17: 18 New
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    Quote: cartridge
    Of the 5,7 million Red Army soldiers who were captured, 3,3 million did not return to their homeland.


    Despite the fact that a lot of time has passed, it is necessary to outline the topic of monetary compensation from Germany and all its European allies in the war (and this is almost all of Europe) to family members or heirs of our tortured prisoners of war. Plus, accompany this with a powerful advocacy campaign on human rights, genocide, violations of conventions, etc.
    Может в лоб этими претензиями и не надо бить сразу, но показывая периодически при встрече дуло этого "пистолета" можно сделать наших европейских партнёров уступчивее по целом ряду вопросов, например по отмене виз или соблюдению прав человека или недопущению фальсификации истории войны в учебниках... В общем, как говорят, тут могут быть варианты
  13. pensioner
    pensioner 22 June 2013 17: 19 New
    0
    Не по статье, а по теме "Судьбы военопленных":http://zverev-art.narod.ru/ras/36.htm
  14. Cat
    Cat 22 June 2013 18: 22 New
    +4
    Quote: cartridge
    Despite the fact that a lot of time has passed, it is necessary to outline the topic of monetary compensation from Germany and all its European allies in the war (and this is almost all of Europe) to family members or heirs of our tortured prisoners of war. Plus, accompany this with a powerful advocacy campaign on human rights, genocide, violations of conventions, etc.
    Может в лоб этими претензиями и не надо бить сразу, но показывая периодически при встрече дуло этого "пистолета" можно сделать наших европейских партнёров уступчивее по целом ряду вопросов, например по отмене виз или соблюдению прав человека или недопущению фальсификации истории войны в учебниках... В общем, как говорят, тут могут быть варианты

    I think you are very lucky - those who went through the hell of concentration camps have not survived to the present time. Otherwise, for such words and sentences - your face would be turned into bloody mincemeat, and then they would also be spat on for solidity.
    Because those who wanted money and other benefits - even then they received them: some in policeman, some in punitive, some in the camp administration ... there were many options, but only a few agreed. The rest preferred betrayal - death.
    That's just rats like you - this is never understood and appreciated. And you don’t want to understand anything, your moral principles have been unambiguously voiced
    Quote: cartridge
    For example, I also want to receive material goods for free

    Но простите - а за какой член кто-то что-то должен компенсировать, лично Вам? Вы где, в каком лагере сидели - в Бухенвальде, или может в Освенциме? Ни в том и ни в другом. И дело вовсе не в том что Вы "невовремя" родились и банально "не успели" - а в Вашей продажной сути. Благодаря которой, даже попав в концлагерь - Вы бы там не задержались. А быстренько оказались бы на свободе, в худшем случае - в надзирателях того же концлагеря. Ведь главное для Вас - халява, а если Родина ее не предоставила, да еще и не уберегла Вас от попадания в плен - то ну ее нафиг, такую Родину, и это еще она Вам должна - за моральный ущерб, ага.
    И ладно бы Вы один такой, фиг бы с ним. Но, к сожалению, слишком много развелось таких вот тварей - желающий заполучить некую халяву, прикрываясь рассказами о страданиях дедов-прадедов. Как цветы к памятнику отнести, и постоять там минуту, склонив голову - так черта с два. Не говоря уже о том чтобы собрать друзей-соседей, и за свой счет подновить и подремонтировать тот памятник. А как компенсации "по наследству" требовать - так завсегда и без очереди. Тьфу.

    Well, if we talk about those few who have survived to this day, and about payments directly to them ... Really: if we deal with shaking out compensation with deutsche, how much money the bureaucrats of all levels will have to travel to and from Germany, negotiate, agree on, agree on, conferences, summits, and other crap? If this amount is simply taken and divided by all former prisoners, how much will each get? So w. Jews with their Holocaust stupidly choke on the realization of their own inferiority.
    1. 101
      101 22 June 2013 20: 26 New
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      Evil but Essentially It’s not for us to humiliate our level of self-consciousness. It’s not necessary to put us on a par with small and offended peoples.
  15. GEO
    GEO 23 June 2013 21: 49 New
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    Quote: Katsin
    Why do you need the abolition of visas to the rotting liberalistic hated by you West? Be consistent to the end, relax on the golden ring of Russia, invest in Russia, Belarus and Syria :-)

    Silent would be better, a Jewish rogue. Get ready there slowly, 3,14ndos leaked you, soon you will start there. The main thing is not to let you in. But, you, like cockroaches, infiltrate anyway ...