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Syrian war splits Iraq

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The war in Syria has exacerbated the already tense ethno-confessional relations in neighboring Iraq. Escape from the famous Abu Ghraib prison of hundreds of jihadists who went to Syria to fight Bashar Assad provoked retaliatory attacks by Shiite militants on Sunni mosques. He also demonstrated the inability of the authorities in Baghdad to ensure security after the withdrawal of American troops. Experts warn: Shiite and Sunni conflicts could lead to the disintegration of Iraq and the emergence of new territorial entities in the Middle East.




After Sunni terrorists attacked two main Iraqi prisons - the famous Abu Ghraib, which Saddam Hussein used to torture opponents of the regime, and Taji - about a thousand al-Qaeda-related jihadists were released. Among them are sentenced to death warlords captured by the US military.

Responsibility for the storming of prisons was claimed by the terrorist group Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant, which emerged in April on the basis of Al-Qaida, whose units are fighting in Syria. The attack was carefully prepared for several months, suicide bombers and mortars were used to destroy the prison walls. Dozens of prisoners and security personnel were killed and injured. Control of prisons was restored with the help of combat helicopters and the army, but the fugitives could not be caught.

Iraqi Shiites rarely respond to al-Qaida shares. However, this time the answer was an attack on four major Sunni mosques in the vicinity of the cities of Kirkuk and Kut - 12 people were killed and 50 were injured.

These events have shown: after the withdrawal of American troops, the Iraqi authorities are not able to keep the situation in the country under control. In the last month alone, more than 600 people died as a result of terrorist attacks and interfaith clashes.

One of the main reasons for the deterioration of the situation in Iraq is the civil war in neighboring Syria. Iraqi Sunnis support co-religionists who rebelled against Bashar al-Assad, while the Shiites, who now have power and are in Iraq with the majority, sympathize with official Damascus. Hundreds of militants from Islamist groups operating in the Sunni provinces of Iraq are now fighting in Syria on the side of the opposition. They were joined by many prisoners who fled from Abu Ghraib and Taji. They could not even be detained even at the border posts that were hastily set up at the border.

However, part of the Sunni militants remained in Iraq to fight the government. The escalating conflict in the region, especially in the event of Bashar al-Assad’s defeat, could ultimately lead to a “fragmentation of the Iraqi state,” said Jane Kinninnmont, a Middle East expert at the British think tank Chatham House.
“Iraqi militants are involved in the Syrian conflict, making the political situation in Iraq itself explosive,” Kommersant told Kommersant. “Both al Qaeda and the Iraqi Muslim Brotherhood use the situation for their own purposes. Iraqi Prime Minister Shiite Nuri al- Maliki supports Assad - for example, provides transportation of weapons for his army from Iran. "


"In the entire Middle East, in parallel with the fragmentation process, the process of unification is underway. New Sunni formations are being formed," Alexander Ignatenko, director of the Institute of Religion and Politics, explained to Kommersant. According to the expert, this state can include not only the Iraqi "Sunni triangle" (Baghdad-Tikrit-Ramadi), but also Jordan, the Sunni territories of Syria, as well as the northern part of Lebanon (Tripoli and adjacent territories). And Jane Kinninmont warns: the processes taking place now in the Middle East, "are able to completely reshape the entire territorial landscape that has developed after the collapse of the Ottoman Empire."
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  1. Sasha1273
    Sasha1273 27 July 2013 06: 51
    +8
    Alkaida (read the CIA) is looking for new ways to dominate the world. Then, like Barack Hussein al Obama, he arranged a tea party on Ramadan in the White House, a tan campaign is a prophecy.
  2. serge-68-68
    serge-68-68 27 July 2013 06: 53
    +6
    An unstable Arab world is beneficial to the United States. The protraction of the conflict weakens the Arabs, forcing them to spend energy and money on a conflict (in the broad sense) with each other, and not with European (including American) civilization. Moreover, the chances of maintaining this conflict within the Arab borders are very high.
    The unstable Arab world is beneficial to China - while the Europeans "untwisted" the Arabs to the war, and the Arabs are "untwisted", the Chinese are slowly strengthening.
    For Russia, the benefit from the unstable Arab world lies in the possibility of solving local problems in its zone of influence, returning as a global leader and maintaining high oil prices. But the minus is also obvious - a large number of Muslims, who, in principle, can also be destabilized. The search for an idea uniting the citizens of Russia should be accelerated.
    1. Dober
      Dober 27 July 2013 07: 27
      +3
      Quote: serge-68-68
      For Russia, the benefit from the unstable Arab world lies in the possibility of solving local problems in its zone of influence, returning as a global leader and maintaining high oil prices.

      There is a contradiction here. While old ones are crumbling and new "states" are emerging in the east, in the countries exporting hydrocarbons, world oil prices cannot be high. The "khans" fighting among themselves need to sell any the price. They will dump, they will lose countries whose main source of finance is oil and gas. Including Russia.
      Quote: serge-68-68
      The search for an idea uniting the citizens of Russia should be accelerated.

      Everything has already been found, the only thing left is the will and desire of the leadership.
      1. falcon
        falcon 27 July 2013 13: 41
        +2
        Quote: Dober
        Quote: serge-68-68
        For Russia, the benefit from the unstable Arab world lies in the possibility of solving local problems in its zone of influence, returning as a global leader and maintaining high oil prices.

        There is a contradiction here. While old ones are crumbling and new "states" are emerging in the east, in the countries exporting hydrocarbons, world oil prices cannot be high. The "khans" fighting among themselves need to sell any the price. They will dump, they will lose countries whose main source of finance is oil and gas. Including Russia

        There is no contradiction here. The price of oil is formed on the exchange
        sites, as a balance between supply and demand. And there is still such an important
        factor, like transportation (and in the zone of instability it is difficult), therefore
        with increasing political tension in Bl.Vostok, exchanges almost always
        react with higher hydrocarbon prices.
  3. beifall
    beifall 27 July 2013 06: 54
    -6
    Intra-ethnic or interethnic bickering is a common thing!

    The country where the "Islamic scenario", supposedly with the involuntary or free connivance of the United States and the West, has the greatest likelihood of implementation, is considered Syria. This, of course, is facilitated by the fact that the militants of the Al-Nusra Front and other Islamic groups associated with al-Qaeda are the most visible part of the Syrian opposition. Of course, if you cut out the hearts of the killed enemies in front of the cameras and cut off the heads of the priests, then you will inevitably be the first to notice. Far from underestimating the strength and danger of the Islamists in the ranks of the Syrian opposition, it would be a great exaggeration to consider it their main component. After all, the Syrian opposition is, first of all, the “National Coalition of Syrian Revolutionary and Opposition Forces” created in November 2012, the basis of which is the Syrian National Council and the Free Syrian Army (SSA), which plays a leading role in the armed resistance of Assad’s troops.

    The motley company gathered in the Coalition should certainly not be idealized, but it would be wrong to identify it with the “Islamic scenario”. When in January 2013, militants from the Al-Nusra Front announced their desire to make adjustments to the goals of the revolution and create a Sharia state, this caused a negative reaction from the members of the Coalition. The rebel commanders immediately said that they would no longer cooperate with the "nusrists" and would begin to fight them on the second day after the fall of the Assad regime. Then the SSA rebels fought several battles near Aleppo without the help of their former allies. Incidentally, Malik al-Kurdi, deputy commander of the SSA, emphasized in a recent interview that Western countries made it clear to the SSA command that they would only supply arms if the rebels agreed to fight radical Islamists.
  4. Recon
    Recon 27 July 2013 07: 06
    +4
    Escape from the famous Abu Ghraib prison of hundreds of jihadists heading to Syria to fight Bashar al-Assad


    It seems to me that they ran away for a reason. Them have given to run away.
    1. alone
      alone 27 July 2013 22: 38
      +2
      Well, the Iraqi authorities blame this escape is not logical, the Shiites in power no matter how !! but the patrons of the rebels in Iraq could well arrange this !! the operation was carried out as if by notes, no comments
  5. dojjdik
    dojjdik 27 July 2013 08: 19
    +7
    Iraq is already split after the senseless execution of Hussein and the robbery of oil by the same states and Israel - there will be no order there like in Egypt because the Jews do not need anything except oil
    1. Pimply
      Pimply 27 July 2013 16: 41
      -3
      And now - where does Israel go. In more detail.
      1. smile
        smile 28 July 2013 02: 19
        0
        Pimply
        Strange you ... have you forgotten that you are to blame for everything ... a priori? :))))
        Nevertheless ... Eugene, Israel and Iraq did not have the best relations, although you shared with him the place of your best American friend in the BV (you are, of course, closer, but ...) ... I remember you there even Skudami they were bludgeoned ... forgive me, divine (this is not cynicism, but the rationalism inherent in you and me) - for some reason there were no mass launches - that begs for itself ... since the war ... if I were a Jew- I would advocate active action in Iraq, and I doubt very much that I did not have any followers ... or rather predecessors ....
        1. Pimply
          Pimply 28 July 2013 03: 04
          +1
          Quote: smile
          Nevertheless ... Eugene, Israel and Iraq did not have the best relations, although you shared with him the place of your best American friend in the BV (you are, of course, closer, but ...) ... I remember you there even Skudami they were bludgeoned ... forgive me, divine (this is not cynicism, but the rationalism inherent in you and me) - for some reason there were no mass launches - that begs for itself ... since the war ... if I were a Jew- I would advocate active action in Iraq - and I doubt very much that I did not have followers ... or rather predecessors ...

          Oh, the war in Iraq in Israel was welcome - Saddam paid 35000 bucks to the family of every suicide bomber. But to arrange a war there 8)))
          1. smile
            smile 28 July 2013 03: 45
            +1
            Pimply (1)
            Here Mr. Nyuk ... knew about the payments ... the prices surprised ...
            and as to arrange a war there, I don’t think that Israel would have had the strength and influence for this, although it was obliged, out of a sense of self-preservation, to bring this day closer as much as he could ... :))) but not the weight and the wrong ones the possibilities ... alas ... therefore, I suppose, you are not to blame for that war:))) ..... saddamitch played with his closest ally, the States ... well, he paid ... or rather, paid the people of Iraq. who, during the years of democracy, lost a couple of orders of magnitude more losses from the bullets and missile and bomb strikes of the democratizers than from the hands of the bloody dictator and religious psychopaths, who for some reason always come there. where universal values ​​are preached ... :)))))
  6. knn54
    knn54 27 July 2013 09: 52
    +6
    Shiite Iraq is a nightmare for the Saudis, as Iraqi Shiites can “wake up” the Shiite majority that inhabit the oil-bearing areas of Saudi Arabia.
    It is also beneficial for Kuwait that Iraq is mired in a civil war, rather than, following the example of Saddam Hussein, planning to capture Kuwait, which Iraq considers its province.
    Israel helps the Kurds get a foothold in the event of a confrontation with Iran.
    The Kurds do not need a strong Iraq, for a strong central authority will deprive them of oil revenues.
    And the people they care about ...
    PS Only Turkey is not profitable weak Iraq. If Iraq gives the Kurds independence, this will be a precedent for the Kurdish separatists of Turkey.
    1. Pimply
      Pimply 27 July 2013 16: 42
      -4
      Here, a split into three states is most likely likely: Shiite, Sunni and Kurdistan. Moreover, the latter has already de facto seceded. In the Saudis, Shiites still make up a relatively small percentage of the population.
      1. Double major
        Double major 27 July 2013 22: 17
        +2
        The Kurds and Sunnis of Syria recognize themselves (self-determination) as part of the Syrian people: http://sana.sy/rus/325/2013/04/18/477995.htm
        1. Day 11
          Day 11 27 July 2013 22: 22
          -1
          It’s not worth trusting the SANA agency. The Syrians themselves do not watch it. I know that’s why I’m talking. The type of our VGTRK
          1. MG42
            MG42 27 July 2013 22: 33
            +4
            Quote: Den 11
            Over-the-air agency SANA should not be trusted.

            Hi Denis. I wonder why the wordtoo> many write here Too much? Is it just grammar or another meaning?
            1. Day 11
              Day 11 27 July 2013 22: 41
              +2
              Great Sergey, but the devil knows! Probably forgotten the grammar!
            2. Day 11
              Day 11 27 July 2013 22: 57
              +1
              My spelling is lame
              1. smile
                smile 28 July 2013 02: 22
                0
                Buy
                Denis ... a gorgeous movie! .... Everyone is lame ... it happens :))))
        2. Pimply
          Pimply 28 July 2013 03: 06
          0
          You quote the agency SANA, which is the official news agency of Assad. Believing him is about the same as believing Al-Jazeera or Al-Manar. Read better reviews of serious Arabists.
          1. Double major
            Double major 28 July 2013 14: 16
            +1
            Serious Arabists, as a rule, trust information from SANA ...
  7. homosum20
    homosum20 27 July 2013 14: 14
    0
    My home is my castle. And whoever comes with a sword will perish from it.
    And if the convicted criminals (traitors to the Motherland) are set free, these "servants of the people" will give up.
  8. Double major
    Double major 27 July 2013 14: 18
    11
    Gentlemen, I want my colleagues, Russian officers, to understand what is happening. The inter-confessional conflict allegedly taking place in Syria is a bullshit. Al-Assads have created a completely secular state in Syria, in which all confessions, and these are several directions of Muslims, a couple of directions of Christians, pagans, atheists, etc., recognize themselves as citizens of the SAR. This is precisely the bone in the throat of the enemies of the "regime" - the encirclement of the Gulf monarchies, which are building the caliphate on the basis of Sharia. There are no Sunnis among the "opposition" - their mullahs are slaughtered, and their heads are put on the spiers of mosques, just like Christian priests. The site contained materials on this topic. The Salafis call themselves Sunnis in Syria, and their militant wing is the Wahhabis. This is done specifically to represent the external aggression of the mercenaries of Qatar and Saudi Arabia, supported by the EU and the United States, as a "civil war". There is no such thing in Syria and never was. New military technologies are being developed (for example, "five rings", mentioned in http://topwar.ru/26880-beskontaktnye-i-setevye-voyny.html). The people of Syria of all faiths rallied around the legitimate government of the country are opposing external aggression. Information from my friends - the reserve officers of the Syrian army and the Syrian navy. Accordingly, in the same way, our "opponents" from the West and from across the ocean are trying to imagine what is happening in Iraq now. If you are ours, let's figure it out, and we will not pour water on the mill of our common enemy. SAR is the only ally we have left in the Middle East, and this is something that many countries that believe that they are ordering the tune on the world stage do not like it ... Whose mill are you pouring water into, comrades?
  9. alone
    alone 27 July 2013 14: 21
    -3
    what else to expect from the Arabs? they are only capable of killing and mutilating each other
    1. Sasha1273
      Sasha1273 27 July 2013 15: 06
      +6
      Was this our (Russian) people doing during the revolution? The French during the French Revolution, the Chinese during the cultural? Perhaps it is not that they are Arabs.
      1. Essenger
        27 July 2013 15: 26
        +4
        Quote: Sasha1273
        Was this our (Russian) people doing during the revolution? The French during the French Revolution, the Chinese during the cultural? Perhaps it is not that they are Arabs.


        Of course, every nation went through this, just in those days there was no Internet and TV.
      2. alone
        alone 27 July 2013 22: 09
        +5
        there is no revolution there !! there are interests of world players who use the crowd !! look what the Arab countries have turned into? but they lived then, in fact, not poor !!
    2. Double major
      Double major 27 July 2013 22: 21
      +2
      I don’t think that you can put the Arabs of Egypt, Qatar, Saudi Arabia, Libya, and, especially, Syria into one pile ... These are different people at all levels. My brother taught at a military school at a foreign faculty. So, all of their medalists (in their department) - it happened - the Syrians ... Arab to Arab - discord.
  10. faraon
    faraon 27 July 2013 14: 44
    +1
    Quote: Twice Major
    Gentlemen, I want my colleagues, Russian officers, to understand what is happening. The inter-confessional conflict allegedly taking place in Syria is a bullshit. Al-Assads have created a completely secular state in Syria, in which all confessions, and these are several directions of Muslims, a couple of directions of Christians, pagans, atheists, etc., recognize themselves as citizens of the SAR. This is precisely the bone in the throat of the enemies of the "regime" - the encirclement of the Gulf monarchies, which are building the caliphate on the basis of Sharia. There are no Sunnis among the "opposition" - their mullahs are slaughtered, and their heads are put on the spiers of mosques, just like Christian priests. The site contained materials on this topic. The Salafis call themselves Sunnis in Syria, and their militant wing is the Wahhabis. This is done specifically to represent the external aggression of the mercenaries of Qatar and Saudi Arabia, supported by the EU and the United States, as a "civil war". There is no such thing in Syria and never was. New military technologies are being developed (for example, "five rings", mentioned in http://topwar.ru/26880-beskontaktnye-i-setevye-voyny.html). The people of Syria of all faiths rallied around the legitimate government of the country are opposing external aggression. Information from my friends - the reserve officers of the Syrian army and the Syrian navy. Accordingly, in the same way, our "opponents" from the West and from across the ocean are trying to imagine what is happening in Iraq now. If you are ours, let's figure it out, and we will not pour water on the mill of our common enemy. SAR is the only ally we have left in the Middle East, and this is something that many countries that believe that they are ordering the tune on the world stage do not like it ... Whose mill are you pouring water into, comrades?

    I give you a bigger and bold plus for commenting on the article more accurately and relevant. And also showed the root of all the problems happening in Syria. I am for a normal dialogue and not indiscriminate labeling. Let's get it right.
    to whom and how beneficial is this redivision of the world
    1. Double major
      Double major 27 July 2013 15: 08
      +6
      Well, in general, I’ve specifically registered for this ... The site has always been considered normal. Very surprised by the placement of material from the enemy. Someone bought ... True, mixed with a lie - the most effective method of information technology.
  11. alone
    alone 27 July 2013 14: 51
    +7
    The whole point of this massacre is that Qatar has huge reserves of natural gas, which, through the Qatar-Saudi-Jordanian-Turkish pipeline, are sent to Europe to create competition against Russian gas. Qataris will not sell it for the price that Russia offers, that’s the whole point of the Syrian events. The only zagzvodka of this route is Syria with its own regime. Assad is certainly not an angel, but those who fight against him are worse than Assad. and Russia is holding on to al-Assad to prevent Qatari gas from entering the European market, which I personally consider normal. Economic interests are usually
    1. Double major
      Double major 27 July 2013 21: 07
      +2
      Close to the topic ... I agree ...
  12. alone
    alone 27 July 2013 14: 52
    +1
    snag - in a hurry)))
  13. 1goose3
    1goose3 27 July 2013 15: 04
    0
    And Jane Kinninmont warns: the processes now taking place in the Middle East "are capable of completely redrawing the entire territorial landscape that has developed after the collapse of the Ottoman Empire."

    This is what will end, the process has already entered the stage of irreversibility.
  14. Double major
    Double major 27 July 2013 15: 19
    +6
    In general, guys, there is no Sunni-Shiite conflict in Syria. Accordingly, it cannot be transferred to Iraq, in the absence of such. Who cares - [email protected] I am ready to send any materials on the Middle East to determine the credibility of my friends - our colleagues Syrian officers, who, as they say, "on the front line" ... There is an information war against us, first of all. What, let's take it like this and surrender? So, the Russians don't give up! Or how?
    1. Pimply
      Pimply 27 July 2013 16: 49
      -5
      It wasn’t before. Now it is. There is such a term in political science - a modern state. It began to appear at Bonoparte. And one of the signs of this state was the prevalence of the secular component over everything else. Over the past 20 years, political scientists have noted the destruction of this concept and the increased influence of ethno-religious factors. This was clearly seen in the conflict in Yugoslavia. So before, yes - there was no radical conflict between the various branches of Islam. And now there is. And it flares up.
      1. Double major
        Double major 27 July 2013 20: 48
        +5
        The liberal-sadomite west is investing tremendously in order to make you think so ...
        1. Pimply
          Pimply 28 July 2013 03: 11
          0
          G-lord, well, you don’t need crazy stamps, okay? This is reality, and objective reality. Which is confirmed by numerous studies.
      2. Day 11
        Day 11 27 July 2013 22: 03
        +1
        Yeah. What kind of forces are they that kindle?
  15. alone
    alone 27 July 2013 15: 22
    0
    Major, nothing depends on ordinary people. If necessary, they will surrender Syria, as they did in Serbia, Libya, Iraq, etc.
    1. Double major
      Double major 27 July 2013 15: 30
      +3
      Well, here something depends on us ... How do we perceive ... I think - Syria - we will not surrender. The Last Frontier. There is nowhere else ... Already in Dagestan, bandits with experience in military operations in Syria began to appear: http://www.moidagestan.ru/blogs/43747/30937
      1. alone
        alone 27 July 2013 15: 47
        +1
        and no one does not require you to surrender Syria)) as they say the die is cast. and we don’t need jihadists just like you
        1. Double major
          Double major 27 July 2013 16: 02
          +6
          We especially liked you - you ... Just in case, I am a Russian reserve officer ... But there are friends - Syrians ... It so happened ... Normal guys ...
          1. alone
            alone 27 July 2013 21: 18
            +1
            Well, this is in the sense of our countries, Azerbaijan and Russia)))
  16. faraon
    faraon 27 July 2013 15: 27
    +1
    Quote: lonely
    The whole point of this massacre is that Qatar has huge reserves of natural gas, which, through the Qatar-Saudi-Jordanian-Turkish pipeline, are sent to Europe to create competition against Russian gas. Qataris will not sell it for the price that Russia offers, that’s the whole point of the Syrian events. The only zagzvodka of this route is Syria with its own regime. Assad is certainly not an angel, but those who fight against him are worse than Assad. and Russia is holding on to al-Assad to prevent Qatari gas from entering the European market, which I personally consider normal. Economic interests are usually

    But again, Syria is losing so she could add funds to her budget, raise the economy at least a little but to a new level, because transporting gas through the territory gives tremendous funds to the state budget.
    So based on your comment, it turns out the right hand gives the left one and the head is glad of what is happening, as it sees its dividends as profits. This is a double standard policy.
    It seems to me that it’s generally quite simple that Russia and the United States started the whole show for the following reasons: 1) To solve their economic problems (as you know, recently in the United States things are not going well in the economic plan, Russia is on the rise, but this rise is due to export of oil and gas. For the rise of countries, the situation in Syria is beneficial for the United States out of another crisis with small losses. For Russia, stable prices for the export of hydrocarbons.
    2) .Two of the above-mentioned countries, this conflict is beneficial as a meat grinder in which the Syrian army grinds all the radical scum of radical Islam.
    Pay attention to the conflict, it could be repaid within a day, by the introduction of troops, the divorce of troops from both sides, forced to negotiate and come to some sort of a solution to the conflict, but there is intensified propaganda from both sides, loans are issued, weapons are supplied. And so on.
    from here Syria’s conclusion is just a pawn on the other side of the politics of both states. Well, while the woods are chopped off, the weakening of the Middle East is only in the hands of the USA and Russia.
    In all this, the good news is that at the end Russia took the right steps in foreign policy.
    1. alone
      alone 27 July 2013 15: 34
      +3
      Well, in principle, what you wrote and what I wrote, in principle, the same thing !! Do not forget to add that Israel and there are benefits, albeit indirect !! there is no real force left in the region that could resist Israel as such !! to re-become at least at the level that Syria had before the conflict. We need at least 50 years, or the United States. Russia will not help in this Syria !! need money ourselves
    2. Double major
      Double major 27 July 2013 15: 40
      +3
      Well, not exactly ... Russia does not want to lose influence in the Middle East. And the United States too. Access for us there is through Turkey (the straits), or - far away - Europe or the Far East. For anyone - we Al-Assad is a friend, and who will replace him - my grandmother said for two ... There are no options for us - except to support the legitimate, legitimate (elected by the people in the elections) "regime" of the current government ... And harm him, placing materials of enemy content - our own worth. That is why I ask: Whose mill ...?
    3. Dema239
      Dema239 27 July 2013 20: 30
      +4
      Somehow you famously presented everything that was happening in Syria as a performance directed by Russia and the USA .. I don’t argue about the USA. But based on your words, the concentration of Islamist radicals from around the world in dangerously close to the Russian borders is at risk if Assad fails to meet this whole gang at home - part of the Russian-American scenario! ?? Is it beneficial to Russia? I doubt it .. And why didn’t you name Israel among the directors of the play? And .. sorry for the stupid question .. I didn’t see a flag next to your nickname ..
      1. Double major
        Double major 27 July 2013 21: 00
        +3
        Well, you don’t have to pile everything together. One scenario in the USA, another in ours. Either we will be kicked out of the Middle East theater (US scenario), or we will not give up (our scenario), and accordingly we will not surrender to Syria.
    4. Double major
      Double major 27 July 2013 21: 12
      +2
      The ATS basically does not use foreign troops on its territory ... Information from the source ...
      1. Pimply
        Pimply 28 July 2013 03: 12
        0
        Yes? Apparently Hezbollah should not be considered foreign troops. And the IRGCs are not fundamentally either.
        1. Double major
          Double major 28 July 2013 11: 47
          +3
          There Hesbollah, according to my data from Syria, there were one and a half people, at the level of instructors in the SAA units. Ours, and even more. Their participation in battles is a deza actively disseminated by interested parties. How to use CAA chemical weapons against your own people.
          1. Yarbay
            Yarbay 28 July 2013 13: 51
            0
            Quote: Twice Major
            There Hesbollah, according to my data from Syria, there were one and a half people, at the level of instructors in the SAA units.

            You have unreliable data !!
            1. Double major
              Double major 28 July 2013 14: 38
              +1
              And what does this prove? If Orthodox churches begin to blow up in Yaroslavl tomorrow, I will be the first to join units for their protection ...
              1. Yarbay
                Yarbay 29 July 2013 16: 33
                0
                Quote: Twice Major
                If Orthodox churches begin to blow up in Yaroslavl tomorrow, I will be the first to join units for their protection ...

                That is what proves!
                So Hezbullah is there to protect the shrines)))))))
            2. Day 11
              Day 11 28 July 2013 15: 11
              0
              This is a strong move!
          2. Yarbay
            Yarbay 28 July 2013 14: 03
            0
            Quote: Twice Major
            Ours, and even more.

            1. Double major
              Double major 28 July 2013 14: 41
              +1
              Not knowing the source, I can not comment. Hollywood takes off and not that ...
          3. Yarbay
            Yarbay 28 July 2013 14: 08
            0
            Quote: Twice Major
            Their participation in battles is a deza actively disseminated by interested parties.

            Well yes?))))))))))))

            1. Double major
              Double major 28 July 2013 14: 43
              +1
              Actually, the Hezbollah flag is different ...
              1. Yarbay
                Yarbay 29 July 2013 16: 30
                0
                Quote: Twice Major
                Actually, the Hezbollah flag is different ...

                You just don’t know!
                this is the flag of Imam Hussein raised by him in Karbala!
                the flag you are talking about is political, and this is spiritual!
                And the slogans there belong precisely to the Shiites of Hezbullah!
                So send your sources away, do not believe them)))
    5. smile
      smile 28 July 2013 02: 41
      -1
      faraon
      Excuse me .... but what are you. do you seriously think that by introducing the troops of one of the parties in Syria, you can quickly extinguish the conflict? It’s strange to hear this from a Jew. which, in theory, should know what it is-the introduction of troops into this ... :))) throw ... is this a joke? or did the Americans put out the conflict in Iraq?
      We would put out a fight in Agan ... well, halfway around the world we were prevented from doing this ... and who is helping the Taliban now. except for some packs? and what is the result?
      and for some reason you tried to equate us ... why? You understand that comparison. how between the robber and those who defend themselves from him?
      And in light of the above, what are your further conclusions? :))) Especially. that they are too much like trying to equate communism and Nazism ..... maybe it’s not worth talking about both sides, especially since there are more than two of them?
  17. faraon
    faraon 27 July 2013 16: 01
    +1
    Quote: Twice Major
    I ask: Whose mill ...?

    Dear Major, no one disputes or belittles the merits of Russia, We are here only to discuss the article, and not at all to sing health to some side of this conflict. Because we are now talking here and discussing the topic will not change and you understand this perfectly. So the question of "whose mill you are pouring water" is inappropriate here, and a normal dialogue and an outside perspective on this conflict is interesting and informative. Why did I immediately believe you that you have information from the officers of President Assad and do not believe Elena's reports.
    1. Yarbay
      Yarbay 28 July 2013 13: 53
      0
      Quote: faraon
      Dear Major!

      He seems to be a lieutenant colonel and with humor)))))))))))
      Right!))))
      1. Double major
        Double major 28 July 2013 14: 22
        +1
        No ... I just got the rank of major twice, in different departments ... = D
  18. faraon
    faraon 27 July 2013 16: 08
    +6
    Quote: Twice Major
    We especially liked you - you ... Just in case, I am a Russian reserve officer ... But there are friends - Syrians ... It so happened ... Normal guys ...

    And no one does not deny this, I am also a retired officer, and just like you have friends in different countries. And all are almost normal guys. But unfortunately, life divorced us on different sides of the barricades, but from this we did not remain human . God bless your friends to survive and win in this meat grinder, I sincerely wish them.
    1. Double major
      Double major 27 July 2013 16: 12
      +4
      Thanks. I'll pass it on. But we are not on opposite sides of the barricades. I dare to assure you. And the attitude towards Russians in Syria was laid by our fathers, who helped Syria in the "doomsday war" - even patrols do not check documents of Russians on the streets, and they are interested in the street - are you hot? - do you want water? For so. This people is our friend, at the level of the people. This must be felt ... Then an understanding will come, which is not in Chechnya or Dagestan - ours ... Do you remember - a Ukrainian correspondent escaped from captivity there? Ankhar Kochneva? I assure you, if this is real, then only in the Russian image. Some American or Dutch woman would have passed, and they did not ask her name ...
  19. MIKHAN
    MIKHAN 27 July 2013 16: 25
    +1
    No matter how we were hailed all over the world, but for some reason then always remember with respect and nostalgia, even where we fought (Afghanistan for example) ..
  20. 1goose3
    1goose3 27 July 2013 16: 38
    +3
    Quote: Twice Major
    If you are ours, let's understand, and we won’t pour water on the mill of our common enemy. ATS is the only ally left in the Middle East, and many countries who believe that they order music on the world stage don’t like it ... Whose mill are you pouring water on, comrades?


    Why understand here? You are absolutely right Syria is a unique state, a unique multi-confessional state. By virtue of its uniqueness, Syria was a model of stability, more precisely, a stabilizing factor in the Middle East. Attempts by the United States to undermine the situation in the region, Iraq, Libya, all this Arab spring, which only led to a change in the leadership of these countries, did not lead to the desired result, and therefore all efforts are now aimed at destroying Syria. Syria is the "navel" of the Arab lands, excuse the comparison, and the Americans now understand this.
    It is not for nothing that we call the Middle East the near East, from our borders it is just a stone's throw away. All these attempts to destabilize this region are directed primarily against Russia. Syria is a stronghold of Russia on not very distant approaches and we must help it in every way so that it can survive. soldier
    1. Double major
      Double major 27 July 2013 16: 44
      +5
      Thank you for understanding. And then a mixed feeling arose - on our site the enemy material ... Already registered with indignation ... Apparently, the author is a victim of enemy propaganda ... Well, the Lord will judge him ...
      1. Essenger
        27 July 2013 17: 12
        +5
        Quote: Twice Major
        Apparently, the author is a victim of enemy propaganda ... Well, the Lord will judge him ...

        Could you please explain who did you mean? The user who posted this article or the author of the article?
        1. Double major
          Double major 27 July 2013 21: 21
          +2
          Well, most likely - here is the author of the article, and the user who, not understanding the situation, posted it on an authoritative resource that is read by many more people than commented on. My respect to admins - I’ve been reading for a couple of years, but I registered, in order to refute the misinformation, only today. There is an information war. To correctly assess the situation, you need to understand what is happening in a particular region. We are confronted by an experienced, well-trained adversary. Well, the 41st year, something like that ...
          1. Essenger
            27 July 2013 21: 43
            +3
            I am the user who posted it.
            1. Double major
              Double major 27 July 2013 21: 58
              +1
              Well, listen, no offense ... The East is a delicate matter ... Next time, either show me or ayham7 preliminary on BV ... On the subject of reliability ... But it doesn’t work out well ...
  21. KazaK Bo
    KazaK Bo 27 July 2013 17: 48
    +1
    The most important "SIN" of the Arabs of the British East is that there are very large deposits of hydrocarbon raw materials on the territories of their states. And their unity cannot be allowed in any way. This will mean the collapse of the US interests in this region. All methods are suitable for this ... and the surest one is INTER-CONFESSIONAL ENEMY! It is based on fanaticism ... which means the easiest way to confront and separate peoples ...
    The guarantee of the absence of war on its territory is fidelity to its sovereign in the person of the United States ... following in its wake their policies! What is especially characteristic of the example of the behavior of SAUDI ARABIA - the homeland and mastermind of Al Qaeda ... the main supplier of terrorists and finances for the September 11 attack ... But this does not count for the United States! The set-off is only by fidelity to the owner ... behavior guaranteeing complete submission !!
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  23. ayham7
    ayham7 27 July 2013 19: 38
    +1
    "retaliatory attacks by Shiite militants on Sunni mosques."
    It's a shame to write this. We all know that all who attack the houses of worship are US and CIA-controlled terrorists. Their purpose is known to all. I do not think that the Shiite groups in the cheshl of these marianettes.
    1. alone
      alone 27 July 2013 21: 20
      +2
      in fact, in principle, those who attack mosques, temples, synagogues, these nonhumans no longer have any religion. such people are briefly called scumbags.
      1. Double major
        Double major 27 July 2013 22: 03
        +2
        The bandits have neither nationality nor faith. They are just gangsters. There can be no wars raping girls from 14 years old, cutting heads with civilians, not supporting them, killing women, old people and children in territories controlled by opponents: http://anna-news.info/node/9426
    2. Double major
      Double major 27 July 2013 21: 24
      +2
      Just in case - ayham7 - captain of the second rank of the stock of the Syrian Navy, translated into our ranks. I know him - I vouch for him, worthy officer. You can believe it.
      1. ayham7
        ayham7 28 July 2013 13: 16
        0
        Thank you dear :-)
  24. MIKHAN
    MIKHAN 27 July 2013 19: 47
    +1
    Religion must be separated from the state !!! This is the whole problem of the East .. We do not impose Orthodoxy on anyone ..
    1. Double major
      Double major 27 July 2013 21: 35
      +2
      So the Syrians do not impose confessions on anyone, of which there are many in Syria, and they are all equal in Al-Assad. It is only among the Wahhabi-Salafi bandits that all who are not with them are all against them. Therefore, the heads are cut by the same Sunni priests, who, like, for them, and put them on the spiers of mosques: http://diver-sant.ru/accidents/33335-v-aleppo-terroristy-zverski-ubili-sheyha-po
      dderzhivavshego-pravitelstvo.html The Imam was Sunni, you can believe.
  25. alone
    alone 27 July 2013 21: 46
    +2
    still sincerely sorry the Syrians for what is happening in their country !! what losses - just awful !! okay with appliances, houses, you can somehow buy, configure, but you don’t get people back (((((
  26. Double major
    Double major 27 July 2013 23: 01
    +1
    By the way, about the inter-confessional type of conflict in Syria - and so, there it is considered not proper to ask what temple you go to. I wanted to upload a photo - the Syrian Muslim and Christian pray together at the grave of a friend ... I did not find it ... It's a pity ...
    1. alone
      alone 27 July 2013 23: 14
      +1
      willingly believe and without a photo !! a Syrian studied with me at a university, he told the same thing
    2. Double major
      Double major 28 July 2013 12: 06
      +1
      Found a picture - friends drove it: https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=575293059179631&set=p.575293059179631&ty
      pe = 1 Muslim and Christian pray at the grave of a friend. Brothers in Arms.
  27. faraon
    faraon 27 July 2013 23: 52
    -2
    Quote: Dema239
    Somehow you famously presented everything that was happening in Syria as a performance directed by Russia and the USA .. I don’t argue about the USA. But based on your words, the concentration of Islamist radicals from around the world in dangerously close to the Russian borders is at risk if Assad fails to meet this whole gang at home - part of the Russian-American scenario! ?? Is it beneficial to Russia? I doubt it .. And why didn’t you name Israel among the directors of the play? And .. sorry for the stupid question .. I didn’t see a flag next to your nickname ..

    Yes, it’s okay that they didn’t make out, that’s not the point.
    First of all, Israel does not need this crap near its borders. And Assad’s victory is much better than the victory of radical Islamists. Take a word. But no matter how friends and foes try to drag Israel into this conflict. Israel will not enter Syria under any pretext., and will not fight on any side.
    The fact that he destroys the weapons intended for the Hezbollah terrorist group does not hide it. In all the media and through diplomatic channels, this was announced. And for the future all the weapons that will be transferred to Hezbollah will be destroyed. It’s not from what Israel wants to annoy Assad, and then only that this weapon was not used against Israel in the future, by the same Islamists who, after the victory of Assad, will leave for Lebanon. -and this is not the same. In a nutshell, you can say so play in your sandbox what a hack but with their toys.
    As for the provision of humanitarian aid, yes, as humanitarian aid, the Syrians receive assistance in Israeli medical institutions, but after providing assistance they are transferred to the Syrian authorities, and what happens to them next is decided by the Syrian authorities, and to say that Israel harbors terrorists, then this is not true.
    Israel is a small country, smaller than the Moscow region and simply physically cannot be a director in this performance.
    1. Day 11
      Day 11 27 July 2013 23: 57
      +1
      What is Shukshin about the bug and smell?
    2. alone
      alone 28 July 2013 00: 10
      +1
      if the jihadists win, they will climb into Lebanon before going to Israel to deal with the hezbollah. The jihadists are controlled by the right circles. from Europeans. and about the fact that the victory of Asad is beneficial for you, in this I agree with you 100%. socialite is better than a fierce fanatic
      1. ayham7
        ayham7 28 July 2013 13: 24
        0
        Jihadists will never trample on Israel. They treat themselves there, lick their wounds, buy weapons and so on. How many Israeli weapons were found in Alcusera, moreover, modern ones. Israel benefits from the extremists because it justifies Israel's belligerent policies. Only thanks to the Islamists, Israel shouts to the whole world: "Look who is threatening us? These are the beasts that cut off the heads and eat the insides of their enemies. Therefore, the whole world must support Israel and help it arm itself for protection."
      2. ayham7
        ayham7 28 July 2013 13: 57
        0
        Here. Dahlia Shimon, an agent of Mossad, is among the terrorists of the so-called Syrian Free Army. What is she doing there?
        1. Day 11
          Day 11 28 July 2013 15: 23
          0
          Serious presentation! What say the gentlemen of the Israelites ???
          1. wanderer
            wanderer 28 July 2013 18: 49
            0
            Den Stupidity discuss-go down to the level of OBS
        2. svp67
          svp67 28 July 2013 15: 25
          0
          Quote: ayham7
          Here. Dahlia Shimon, an agent of Mossad, is among the terrorists of the so-called Syrian Free Army. What is she doing there?

          Yes, some kind of strange picture - Mossad usually worked thinner. And then a puncture ...
    3. Double major
      Double major 28 July 2013 12: 09
      +1
      Israel is a small country with big ambitions that wants to play the first violin in the region. It's not scary - wanting is not harmful. In the Yom Kippur War, this was demonstrated quite adequately.
      1. wanderer
        wanderer 28 July 2013 18: 57
        0
        Twice Major. What did Israel lose in that war? It seems that in the suburbs of Damascus the troops stopped))). By the way, you introduced your friend in such a way that you really thought he would write the truth, but no, after the first posts everything became clear.
  28. faraon
    faraon 27 July 2013 23: 59
    0
    Quote: ayham7
    "retaliatory attacks by Shiite militants on Sunni mosques."
    It's a shame to write this. We all know that all who attack the houses of worship are US and CIA-controlled terrorists. Their purpose is known to all. I do not think that the Shiite groups in the cheshl of these marianettes.

    Aukham, your friend Major has vouched for you, give us more accurate information about what is happening at your place as an officer objectively.
    1. ayham7
      ayham7 28 July 2013 13: 14
      0
      The situation is not easy, but we will overcome it, that's for sure. Every day terrorists are losing more and more territory and manpower, and in very large quantities, which is why they are becoming wild. The United States does not want to admit defeat, and so they delay the whole process. Now there are a lot of articles that will try to denigrate the Syrian army, because the West realized that only thanks to the Syrian army they managed to survive. Hence all these Western articles on betrayal in the ranks of the Syrian army. All traitors to the court have long deserted or were destroyed.
      1. wanderer
        wanderer 28 July 2013 19: 08
        0
        According to Syrian Observatory for Human Rights, a London-based human rights organization, dozens of civilians in Aleppo were killed when government forces fired a surface-to-surface missile at a densely populated residential area. People remain under the ruins.

        "During the attack on the Bab Nairab area, 29 people died, including 19 children," human rights activists said.

        it seems everyone is beasting there
        1. alone
          alone 28 July 2013 21: 43
          +1
          Well, if you shoot a ground-to-ground missile around the city, and the Syrians are armed with such systems (most likely they launched a missile that is not accurate), it is not surprising that such losses are among civilians. In theory, select terrorists should act against the terrorists units of special forces. moreover, without the use of such weapons as a military detachment, RSO, or aerial bombardment, in order to minimize military casualties among civilians. Such attacks give rise to those who blame the Syrian authorities for everything
  29. faraon
    faraon 28 July 2013 00: 19
    +1
    Quote: lonely
    if the jihadists win, they will climb into Lebanon before going to Israel to deal with the hezbollah. The jihadists are controlled by the right circles. from Europeans. and about the fact that the victory of Asad is beneficial for you, in this I agree with you 100%. socialite is better than a fierce fanatic

    Yes, and I actually about this, Israel lived in relative safety for 40 years, even if Assad was not an angel, but with him it was possible to solve issues behind the scenes, and here with whom to resolve issues the opposition is already all who are in the states who are already far away, there remained gopniks from all over the world who do not give a damn about all who have neither morality nor culture, but only animal passions.
    Naturally, as soon as these fighters for justice cross the border of Israel, they grab it to the fullest. But Syria is a separate state in which there is a civil war and Israel has nothing to do there. These are their fights. No matter how regrettable it sounds, but there is something
    1. ayham7
      ayham7 28 July 2013 19: 12
      -1
      "Israel has nothing to do there. This is their showdown."
      Then why is Israel evacuating the wounded terrorists and treating them and sending them back?
      Why do we find Israeli weapons and communications with the bandits?
      Why did Israel enter into a deal with Saudi Arabia to sell weapons for militants in the amount of $ 50 million?
      Why did Israel strike in the suburbs of Damascus in concert with the terrorists, who immediately after the attack attacked all the checkpoints around the capital?
      Why is Israel always among the countries that vote for NATO intervention in Syria, that is, on the side of the bandits?
      There are a lot of questions that need to be answered before writing: "Israel has nothing to do there. This is their showdown."
  30. studentmati
    studentmati 28 July 2013 00: 25
    +1
    The article once again emphasizes the US desire for the elimination of authoritative leaders and the maximum fragmentation of states with the presence on their territories of constant ethnic conflicts, which allows for constant monitoring of the territories.
    But have the authors of this theory really forgotten that the boomerang was one of the main weapons on the territory of North America? The earth is round!
    1. Day 11
      Day 11 28 July 2013 00: 36
      +1
      Wow Sanya! You’re right, THIS shnyaga will return to them! Don’t go to a fortuneteller. It’s all going to this. And no CIA will help them, because it’s going to be lapped and peddled
      1. studentmati
        studentmati 28 July 2013 00: 43
        +1
        Quote: Den 11
        And no CIA will help them, because it’s going to be lapped and peddled


        I am sure Denis that Snowden will greatly help in this matter! good That's just its real benefit will not be declassified very soon!
        1. Day 11
          Day 11 28 July 2013 00: 56
          0
          Not a fact. He left the rodakas there. Would he want to take the risk? That's the question.
          1. studentmati
            studentmati 28 July 2013 01: 04
            0
            The activities of an intelligence officer are aimed not only at finding information, but rather primarily at ensuring security for their source. This is confirmed by the fact that the source of information is de jure in "neutral waters," and the statements of the head of state (personnel intelligence officer), in whose territory he is located, that no harm will be done to the United States, and so on. etc.
            In the old Soviet times, such people went straight to "where necessary" and everything was "sewn-covered", spat on everything - for the sake of "information" ... The world is getting thinner, therefore honor and praise to our politicians and intelligence officers! drinks
        2. alone
          alone 28 July 2013 21: 47
          +1
          Snowden is a simple employee. He is unlikely to know the fullness of the plans of the CIA.
    2. Double major
      Double major 28 July 2013 12: 22
      +1
      In Australia, if I'm not mistaken ... Although: = Boomerang is a kind of wooden throwing club. In the past - military and hunting weapons in Ancient Egypt, South India, Southeast Asia, Indonesia (Polynesia), Africa, North America, the Urals, Europe. Returning boomerangs are common among Australian aborigines, which are a curved plate with a lower flat surface and an upper convex. = From Wikipedia ...
  31. dojjdik
    dojjdik 28 July 2013 09: 20
    0
    teenagers believe in some kind of crazy conflict between Shiites and Sunnis - dermocratic propaganda has completely powdered their brains; All these "Muslim brothers" "Alawites" "Al-Qaeda" and other dead-end groups were created artificially with the money of the Israeli special services (and the US, of course) according to the old principle - "divide and rule"; and the Muslim religion itself has nothing to do with it
    1. alone
      alone 28 July 2013 21: 45
      0
      any religion can not justify the death of a woman, child, old man, even prisoner. religion is generally not necessary
  32. crasever
    crasever 28 July 2013 13: 39
    +1
    The author of the article, recalling the tough and terrible Saddam who tortured the prisoners in Abu Ghraib, very delicately kept silent about the American "liberators" of both sexes who distinguished themselves in the same field and in the same prison ...
  33. darkace
    darkace 1 August 2013 02: 20
    0
    Dull-witted journalists spread the divide and rule agenda. Sunites, Shiites. Supposedly everything is so simple. The fact that this is a small (but noisy) part of the radical-minded elements, they do not know to understand. The fact that a decent number of Sunnis are fighting on the side of the government in Syria, they either ignore or simply do not know, tk. are not interested. Journalism on the march.