The Russians are afraid of the influx of migrants. Australian Immigration Solution

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Believing or not believing sociological polls is a private matter for everyone, just like everyone’s private matter is to draw their own conclusion based on the results of these polls. One, looking at the essence and results of the survey, will say: interviewed wrong, not those in the wrong place. Another will say that the survey is objective and not subject to criticism. However, we will not go into the analysis of sociological works as such, but rather present the results of another such study, which was conducted by VTsIOM.

The essence of the survey was as follows: the Russians were asked to designate the greatest, in their opinion, threat to the country. The survey was conducted in mid-July in 130 locations across the country. It involved 1600 respondents of different ages, representing different social groups. At the same time, VTsIOM claims that the accuracy of the results is no more than 3,4%.

The Russians are afraid of the influx of migrants. Australian Immigration Solution


And the results were as follows: the third place in terms of its magnitude was that the respondents placed terrorist acts against important strategic sites and an environmental catastrophe (28%), according to VTsIOM, the second place was given to such a problem as the decline of culture, education and science. But most of all, judging by the results, Russians are worried about the problem of uncontrolled influx of migrants and the settlement of the country by representatives of foreign nationalities. This problem is the main for Russia called 33% of respondents.

The low standard of living, population extinction due to relatively low fertility rates, the split of the ruling elites, the exhaustion of hydrocarbon reserves did not fall into the top three most dangerous problems.

After the announcement of these results, the Russian media began to practice who would obstruct the presented data and VTsIOM itself. They started talking like this: they say that this VTsIOM was interviewed at all if even the top five Russian problems did not include the threat of the spread of drug addiction and corruption.

Of course, you can once again write out the claims to VTsIOM, but whether it is worth mentioning in this connection those concerns expressed by the Russians and presented by this very VTsIOM to the public, as they say, to the court? If the largest percentage expressed in the spirit that the problem of immigrants is today the greatest threat to the country, then it is at least foolish to ignore. No one is going to deny that drug addiction and corruption are gigantic problems, but the respondents clearly spoke about the most painful: they hardly ever have to deal with bribe takers or drug addicts, but passing through the city streets (especially the streets of a large city), the problem of uncontrolled migration visible, as they say, to the naked eye.

You can also try to shout out to those 35% mentioned, stating that uncontrolled immigration also grows on the basis of total corruption, but that this will eventually change? .. People were asked to identify the problem - they identified it. What could be the claim ...

This once again proves that the uncontrolled migration process (both from outside and inside Russia) causes obviously unfounded concerns among millions of Russians. In previous articles on this topic, “Military Review” has already published data on the hypothetical number of illegal migrants in Russia and the number of crimes that these people commit. And these numbers are truly overwhelming readers. Millions of nowhere registered persons who completely ignore the Russian laws, traditions and foundations of that society, side by side with which they decided to live, fill the cities with such intensity that sometimes entire neighborhoods turn out to be populated exclusively by immigrants (mainly from the countries of Central Asia).

Representatives of government agencies have repeatedly stated that this problem will be effectively addressed using the full range of legal tools, but only things are there. Any initiative is broken about the interest of a certain circle of people in cheap labor, for which there is no need to report and bear responsibility. People actually are, but legally they are not. This is so convenient for those gentlemen who do not want to merge into the legal field, because this infusion will deprive them of the super-profitable feeders. Conveniently, apparently, at various levels ...

As a result: the number of foreigners without a residence permit, registration, work permit and any obligations to the Russian state and society is growing. These people are well aware of the fact that they are a bargaining chip in the games of big people, and that they are beginning to have more and more weight in Russia's internal (especially labor and social) politics. And if this or that community begins to realize its importance, especially the significance outside the legal field, then this very community begins to dictate conditions gradually. At first, everything is tied up at the level of such unobtrusive dictatorship - dumping in the labor market, offering more for less, and then unobtrusiveness can disappear, and a frank dictate dictates it to replace it with a criminal ghost. And if we take into account that domestic officials themselves gave rise to this organism, which has already matured and matured, which is imbued with anti-law disputes, it becomes clear that their courage is clearly not enough for its elimination with transfer to the legal channel. Neither courage nor, in principle, a great desire.

Mass deportations will begin - our “human rights activists” will immediately raise their heads, who in such situations take such defensive positions that it becomes unclear how this defense is generally related to providing legal support to indigenous Russian citizens ... Of course, these squeals and screams can be ignored, but Russia is positioning itself solely on the rule of law. Moreover, this position is also manifested somewhat strangely. So it appears that the interests and rights of the indigenous Muscovites, Novosibirsk or Voronezh residents can be completely ignored at the expense of the interests and rights of the indigenous Dushanbe, Goulistan or Kara-Baltai, who managed to build a life in the Russian Federation.

One gets the impression that this problem concerns only ordinary Russian citizens, but does not care at all about big business and officials. Why? Because ordinary Russian citizens (especially residents of large and relatively large cities) come across it regularly, and officials, as was aptly stated in the famous film “Kin-dza-dza,” live “on another planet” and take illegal immigrants exclusively as a source permanent "left" income. Why should they worry about this if everything is grasped ...

By the way, is there any advanced foreign experience in this regard? For example, you will have to go to another hemisphere - to Australia. The local government decided to demonstrate greater rigidity in addressing the issue of foreign migration. This is due to the fact that over the past few years, the influx of foreigners who have arrived for permanent residence on the Green Continent has increased significantly. In this regard, Australian Prime Minister Kevin Rudd outlined the contours of the new migration policy.

Now, all those who wish to come to Australia for work or as refugees will first be sent to an Australian temporary detention center, which is located in ... Papua New Guinea. And already this way everyone who arrives will be waiting for a decision on whether the Australian authorities will give consent for granting refugee or labor migrant status or not.

Today, the main flow of migrants to Australia goes through Indonesia. And the Australian authorities explained their decision on the placement of migrants in Papua New Guinea by allegedly fearing for the life and health of people who sail on fragile vessels along the sea to the Green Continent. Clever, isn't it ... And although the UN has already scolded the Australians for such an approach, it has not led to its fundamental changes.

But this is a great example for our state. If a person really wants to live and work on the territory of the Russian Federation, having neither a profession nor education, and a priori not intending to respect the traditions of the Russian (any other Russian) people, then for God's sake ... We have many territories where work is no end . Novaya Zemlya, the island of New Siberia or Stolbovoy - and under its own power ... Yes, there are so many items with hospitable staff for immigrants can be accommodated, that even Papua New Guinea will envy ...

Only here Kevin Rudd has a political will, but ours do not have it.
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  1. +47
    30 July 2013 06: 51
    Hmm, we do not have enough rigidity in migration policy! Or the right politicians?
    1. +42
      30 July 2013 08: 31
      we do not have enough rigidity in migration policy! Or the right politicians?

      Both that and another.
      Under the guise of "democratization" of public life, simply "corrupt officials", in order to please the big West and business (primarily in construction), to get free labor, they simply opened the doors for everyone and everything to enter the country ... as an uncontrollable wave of earnings from behind the "hillock", and our residents of some North Caucasian republics. This will lead to what and how to the West. Europe, the United States, migrants will entrench themselves in the country ... they will demand, with the support of "compassionate human rights activists" (working out Western grants), social benefits ... places in kindergartens and schools ... first food ... and then spectacles ... And we will feed, otherwise their uncontrollable critical mass will explode and create such social tension to us, up to riots, that it will not seem a little ...
      There is only one way - a sharp tightening of migration policy (entry with a passport, control both at the border and over registration, streamlining planned labor migration, draconian measures against officials and the police for accepting bribes in this matter, the creation of labor camps to work out fines and costs sending offenders home). This requires strong political will, without looking back at Western democrats. Some progress in the form of proposals appeared ... but it was perceived with such a creak that ... of course, corrupt officials do not want to lose their "left earnings" ... but they still have to!
      If we don't "put a straw on, then OUCH how painful we'll fall later."
      And the advice to "human rights activists" is to start protecting your citizens, not strangers ... though you won't be paid for that ... but nothing ... you will interrupt ... and so grants have already been picked up above the roof ... without doing anything for the country where you live.
      1. +32
        30 July 2013 09: 45
        Quote: KazaK Bo
        If we don't "put a straw on, then OUCH how painful we'll fall later."


        Those who are obliged (by duty) to tinker with straw have prepared, for their loved ones, spare bases over the hill. Here they take money off, and when problems arise in the country, they are always ready to slink. They don't care about the problems of the people. In fact, this is a gopota "without clan and tribe" who climbed into almost all echelons of power, and deprived of a feeding trough ...

        Only if the people are tired of the lawlessness of the Gaster, let the retaliatory riot begin, cruel and merciless, then maybe the shifts in the ranks of those in power can begin. Naturally, among those who do not run up to foreign minks.
        1. +10
          30 July 2013 10: 01
          Quote: skeptic
          Those who are obliged (on duty) to adjust the straw, have prepared, for their loved ones, spare bases over the hill

          .. I agree 100% ... But what about us ..., we will fall "face on the table" ... I don't want something ... tired of this turbulent era of reformers ...
        2. +9
          30 July 2013 10: 08
          Quote: skeptic
          They don't care about the problems of the people. In fact, this is a gopota "without clan and tribe" who climbed into almost all echelons of power, and deprived of a feeding trough ...

          You read my mind-dear skeptic . drinks
          There is a saying "Cutlets separately, flies separately."
          In my opinion, is it applicable to us? Power in itself and for ourselves, but what about ourselves in our own juice and with God's help?
          Most of all, it’s a shame that they really have something to pull off if everything starts seriously! Well, we'll have to cough up blood here.
          1. +19
            30 July 2013 21: 48
            Quote: Arberes
            In my opinion, is it applicable to us? Power in itself and for ourselves, but what about ourselves in our own juice and with God's help?


            The country under the "stationary bandit"
            All that the authorities want to know about society is how much money is needed to pay off the poor and how to make them vote for themselves.
            07.08.2012
            http://www.novayagazeta.ru/politics/53867.html
            Here just the other day, Alfred Koch, a very subtle author, better known for his "sale of Russia", made a very accurate Facebook entry, deserving of a complete listing:
            "There is such a (rather well-known) concept of the state, which is called" the state as a stationary bandit. " The meaning of this concept is that the state is a certain gang that seizes power over a certain people living in a certain territory. Once a gang discovers that it cannot expand its possessions: other gangs interfere. Then the gang begins to exploit "its" people. Very soon, she realizes that if she exploits the people too harshly, then the people either begin to die out or rise. A certain reasonable measure of exploitation is established experimentally, when a gang takes away only that part of the added value that leaves the people enough funds for expanded reproduction. In these conditions, both the gang and the people get richer. Thus, the gang turns into rational power. For a long time I could not understand why our gang is so ignorantly cynical about the people? First of all, to those who produce this very added value. And it only cares about those who somehow sit on the redistribution of the added product, and not on its production. And then it dawned on me: for the government, which chose as a concept for the development of the country almost exclusively the sale of raw materials extracted from its bowels, the population of this country is superfluous. It is not an entity producing value added, as it would be if we chose an alternative concept, which consists in development due to the growth of value added. In the selected raw materials concept, the population goes under the item “costs”, or, as it is now fashionable to say, “bones”. A rational businessman cuts the "cost". We interfere with our gang. She barely tolerates us. In reality, she needs only 2 — 3 million people who are engaged in the extraction and delivery of commodities to the markets. And in place of the rest, they would prefer to have either disenfranchised migrant workers, or state employees and pensioners directly dependent on them. If you look at the behavior of our gang power from this angle, then it turns out to be quite rational, and its current behavior towards us is almost the top of humanity and tolerance. "
            1. grafrozow
              +5
              31 July 2013 00: 14
              Quote: nycsson
              . We interfere with our gang. She barely tolerates us. In reality, it needs only 2-3 million people who are engaged in the extraction and delivery of commodities to markets. And in place of the rest, they would prefer to have either disenfranchised migrant workers, or state employees and pensioners directly dependent on them.

              It reminds Trotsky’s concept of the Labor Army, there are a lot of coincidences. Then it didn’t work, but now ....
              1. Yoshkin Kot
                0
                3 August 2013 12: 41
                nevermind doesn’t resemble life’s bronshteyn forced the Russian people into the labor army
            2. skeptic-
              +3
              31 July 2013 12: 53
              Quote: nycsson
              Thus, the gang turns into rational power.


              Under such a sauce one can "interpret" any form of power, in any country. Well, with some nuances, and the author of this opus can be "identified" as a member of the gang of the Proshtatov group, which spun a thieves' system of corruption throughout Russia. Therefore, he has corresponding analogies.
        3. +9
          30 July 2013 14: 44
          2-3 years ago, there was no push from the Chinese. But as soon as they organize their "triads" (their own Chinese stole a wife from another Chinese businessman, cut off a finger and sent it to her husband, demanding a ransom), at 48 hours all the Chinese were expelled obratno.Lichno since then I have not seen a single ... Honest workaholic, please, Bandits, or behind bars, or back.
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        4. DPN
          +4
          30 July 2013 22: 03
          and why be surprised if the Russian people themselves built such a state. Each individual wanted to become rich but did not succeed, now the built state, drove young people into an epicenter for their entire conscious life so that they won’t flutter. And the natural resources are for aligarchs to live in Western countries and states.
          Therefore, we don’t want to give birth to our own, so we will live in the West where blacks run to the place of whites, and the presidents, starting with the gobat, will only be able to steer the country and the people, they will not be punished by any responsibility.
      2. Cat
        +11
        30 July 2013 11: 46
        Quote: KazaK Bo
        draconian measures to officials and police for taking bribes in this matter

        And who will take these measures? The officials and police generals themselves, undermining their own well-being? So they have long been living on the principle "after us - even a flood."
        Or will GDP be controlled personally?
        My opinion: the authorities are completely impotent in this matter. The only way out is to organize counteraction to migrants from below. It would be a desire.
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        2. +12
          30 July 2013 15: 55
          Quote: Gato
          And who will take these measures? The officials and police generals themselves, undermining their own well-being? So they have long been living on the principle "after us - even a flood."

          Your remark is not only legal, but also fair ... competent ... But ... but believe me - there are also decent people in law enforcement agencies ...
          And much depends on the top officials. Take the Kuban, Governor TKACHEV ... I am not his adherent and supporter ... But I say honestly, and not only from me - a deep bow to him for the fact that he dispersed almost all "wild" migrants from over the hill (survived - - the Chinese began to grow nitrate tomatoes in the Kuban ... after the "fist on the table" of the governor - after 48 hours not one of them was in our fields!), and domestic. The Cossacks also dispersed the bandits on a national basis. Now all immigrants from the North. Caucasus - quieter than water, below the grass. THIS IS CALLED - POLITICAL WILL! And as these measures of the head of the region did not touch the personal financial benefits of the police and officials, they fulfilled his requirements instantly. THERE IS NO RECEPTION AGAINST THE SCRAP!
          1. Cat
            +5
            30 July 2013 18: 18
            Quote: KazaK Bo
            there are also decent people in law enforcement agencies ...
            And much depends on the first persons.

            But who can argue - there are, I know such, myself from the office. Only they very rarely rise to the level of "top officials", especially in the Ministry of Internal Affairs - this is the system.
            And everything should not depend on the first persons. Right now Kuban is lucky with Tkachev, and tomorrow he will be "gone" - and everything will return to normal.
            Well wrong is the system.
          2. +9
            30 July 2013 20: 44
            C'mon, I live in Tuapse, we already come from Central Asia like dogs not slaughtered, and Caucasians (to whom I do not refer Armenians to our conditions) are also getting more and more mastered. Anyone can knock on the table with their fist, but really Our authorities cannot achieve the fulfillment of their instructions.
          3. grafrozow
            +1
            31 July 2013 00: 26
            Quote: KazaK Bo
            believe me - there are also decent people in law enforcement agencies ...
            And much depends on the first persons.

            You know, dear, I want to hope that history moves in a spiral, from 1917 to 1937, cleansing, from simple to ministers and marshals. 1993 to 2013. will there be someone to repeat?
      3. +6
        30 July 2013 19: 33
        Quote: KazaK Bo
        of course, corrupt officials do not want to lose their "left wages"

        That's right, but they just forgot to mention that migrants are not only bureaucrats' left-wing earnings. But also big business. Only children are not aware of the merger of power and business.
        So it’s high time to give hands not only to the servants of the people, but also to clean their brains well, and in some cases to tamper with financial tycoons.
    2. +32
      30 July 2013 09: 00
      Quote: tronin.maxim
      , we do not have enough rigidity in migration policy!

      Cruelty to migrants ??? We with Dagestanis cannot really figure it out, metam in the middle of Moscow are breaking their heads. Our state is humane to guests of all stripes.
      Although now the news shows how riot police in the market are putting things in order wassat it would be more often like this, but always better. After such operations for a long time, some brains will take their place. In any case, there will be less greyhounds
      1. +25
        30 July 2013 09: 19
        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        Although now the news shows how riot police in the market clean things up more often, and always better. After such operations for a long time, some brains will fall into place. In any case, there will be less greyhounds


        video footage



        such raids need to be carried out constantly and not from case to case.
        Good morning Alexander hi
        1. +13
          30 July 2013 09: 32
          Quote: Apollon
          such raids need to be carried out constantly and not occasionally

          Hi Apollo, yes I am for shaking and twisting them daily angry
          1. +9
            30 July 2013 09: 36
            Quote: Alexander Romanov
            Yes, I'm for shaking and twisting them daily


            right and then completely lost the fear. angry
            1. +16
              30 July 2013 10: 23
              extension

              this same urka am who broke the head of the operative, for life and basta.
              1. +6
                30 July 2013 11: 25
                Quote: Apollon
                this same urka

                Now let him run around with cancer
                1. +3
                  30 July 2013 12: 37
                  Quote: Alexander Romanov
                  Now let him run around with cancer

                  Sasha laughing ... politically incorrect .. wassat crawling from Moscow to Kolyma
                  1. +1
                    30 July 2013 15: 08
                    Quote: Tersky
                    creeping from Moscow to Kolyma

                    Cancer and only cancer!
                    1. +3
                      30 July 2013 16: 48
                      Hi!
                      Cancer and only cancer!

                      There is an expression like cancer before Kiev, so let them crawl Yes
                      1. +2
                        30 July 2013 17: 26
                        Quote: Odessitka
                        Hi!
                        Cancer and only cancer!

                        There is an expression like cancer before Kiev, so let them crawl Yes

                        Hi missing drinks
                  2. 0
                    30 July 2013 16: 04
                    As an option.
              2. +13
                30 July 2013 12: 35
                Quote: Apollon
                this same urka

                Apollo, hi ! Now the cops will do it for their own from Magi Maryana .. It’s not for him to run into Vasya Pupkin with a gopstop ... But as a matter of fact, they played out a damn ... they’ll urinate the deputies, they’ll urinate the cops, you don’t need to speak for a simple average man. I begin to guess who else they need to soak so that this chaos stops. wink
                1. +3
                  30 July 2013 21: 52
                  Quote: Tersky
                  But in fact, damn it ... they’re getting rid of deputies, they’ll urge cops, you don’t need to speak for a simple layman. I begin to guess who else they need to soak so that this chaos stops.

                  But in fact, for what our oligarchs fought, they ran into something! How many millions of them are in Moscow? This can otbibyut that little does not seem!
                  1. +10
                    30 July 2013 23: 00
                    Modern slavery

                    1. Economic coercion of slaves to permanent work. The modern slave is forced to work without stopping to death, because The funds earned by the slave for 1 month are enough to pay for housing for 1 month, food for 1 month and travel for 1 month. Since the modern slave always has enough money only for 1 month, the modern slave is forced to work all his life until death. Pension is also a big fiction, because The slave pensioner pays all the pension for housing and food, and the slave pensioner does not have any free money left.

                    2. The second mechanism of covert coercion of slaves to work is the creation of artificial demand for pseudo-necessary goods, which are imposed on the slave using TV advertising, public relations, and the location of goods in certain places of the store. The modern slave is involved in an endless race for "new products", and for this he is forced to constantly work.

                    3. The third hidden mechanism of economic coercion of modern slaves is the credit system, with the “help” of which modern slaves are more and more drawn into credit bondage, through the mechanism of “loan interest”.

                    Every day, the modern slave needs more and more, because In order to pay off interest loans, a modern slave takes a new loan without repaying the old one, creating a pyramid of debts. The debt, constantly hanging over the modern slave, well stimulates the modern slave to work, even for a meager pay.

                    4. The fourth mechanism to get modern slaves to work for a hidden slave owner is the myth of the state. The modern slave believes that he works for the state, but in fact the slave works for the pseudo-state, because Slave money goes into the pocket of slave owners, and the concept of the state is used to obscure the brains of slaves so that slaves do not ask unnecessary questions such as: why do slaves work all their lives and always remain poor? And why do slaves have no share of profit? And to whom exactly are the money paid by slaves in the form of taxes transferred?

                    5. The fifth mechanism of hidden coercion of slaves is the inflation mechanism. Rising prices in the absence of an increase in the salary of a slave provides a hidden, invisible robbery of slaves. Thus, the modern slave is impoverished more and more.

                    6. The sixth hidden mechanism to get a slave to work for free: to deprive a slave of funds for moving and buying property in another city or another country. This mechanism forces modern slaves to work in the same city-forming enterprise and “endure” the enslaving conditions, because There are simply no other conditions for the slaves, and the slaves have nothing and nowhere to escape.

                    7. The seventh mechanism forcing a slave to work for free is the concealment of information about the real cost of labor of the slave, the real value of the goods that the slave produced. And the share of the slave’s salary, which the slave owner takes through the accounting mechanism, taking advantage of the ignorance of slaves and the lack of slave control over the surplus value that the slave owner takes for himself.

                    8. In order for modern slaves not to demand their share of profit, they did not demand to give what they earned by their fathers, grandfathers, great-grandfathers, great-great-grandfathers, etc. There is a suppression of the facts of plunder in the pockets of slave owners of resources that were created by numerous generations of slaves over a thousand-year history.

                    Do you still think you are free?
                    1. grafrozow
                      +2
                      31 July 2013 00: 41
                      Quote: kris
                      . The fourth mechanism to get modern slaves to work for a hidden slave owner is the myth of the state. The modern slave believes that he works for the state, but in fact the slave works for the pseudo-state, because Slave money goes into the pocket of slave owners, and the concept of the state is used to obscure the brains of slaves so that slaves do not ask unnecessary questions such as: why do slaves work all their lives and always remain poor? And why do slaves have no share of profit?

                      Dad, I want Maserati, good son, I'll buy you, then the full screen slogan is GAZPROM, dreams come true, below in small print, not for everyone, but for the shareholders of Gazprom.
                    2. Yoshkin Kot
                      0
                      3 August 2013 12: 43
                      and the happy Soviet time, people plowing 8 hours at the machine, also drove to the garden, weed potatoes, watering carrots so that they wouldn’t die for sure
              3. sergey261180
                +6
                30 July 2013 12: 49
                I don’t understand why they didn’t shoot him.
                1. +6
                  30 July 2013 17: 49
                  Quote: sergey261180
                  I don’t understand why they didn’t shoot him.


                  this is how they act in Toronto (Canada) the entire clip was thrown by a policeman in an 18-year-old guy with a knife


                  now look what the head of the metropolitan police said

                  THE CAPITAL POLICE HEAD CALLED THE ACTION OF OPERATORS IN MATVEEVSKY MARKET AS ADEQUATE

                  According to the head of the capital’s department of the Ministry of Internal Affairs, the operatives acted in accordance with the law without using weapons in a crowded place.
                  http://www.radiomayak.ru/news/show/id/65794/rcl/27
                  here is an encroachment on life ......... comments I think are unnecessary.
                  1. +10
                    30 July 2013 18: 17
                    Quote: Apollon
                    this is how they act in Toronto (Canada) the entire clip was thrown by a policeman in an 18-year-old guy with a knife
                    Well this is Canada ... In Russia, everything seems to be smoothly spelled out-
                    Violation of the life of a law enforcement officer entails the initiation of a criminal case under Article 317 of the Criminal Code of the Russian Federation and is punishable by deprivation of liberty for a term of twelve to twenty years, and disobedience to a legal order may result in administrative liability under Article 19.3 of the Code of Administrative Offenses of the Russian Federation, which provides for penalties or administrative arrest for a term up to fifteen days. but in fact ... wassat ... Now let's see how much the next tolerant "judge" Mage will weigh .. Otherwise, the term will be inversely proportional to the amount contributed by fellow countrymen ..
                2. +14
                  30 July 2013 21: 48
                  Quote: sergey261180
                  I don’t understand why they didn’t shoot him.

                  Because the police are afraid of their own prosecutors and courts. The opera who was beaten by Dagestani women shouted like a victim - "What are you doing?" although by law he could open fire to kill. He just took the blows, because it's better in a hospital bed with a fractured skull than losing his money job and ending up on a bunk. If he hit the women or shot the dagu, the case would be 100% brought against him. Our system makes the police suffer. Remembering the Soviet times, I would like to say that then no one even thought of fluttering in the strong hands of a policeman, the officers walked without clubs and armored vehicles and did not badly cope with their duties. Even if they were weighed with lulya, then in the case, there were almost no sadists and idiots in the bodies in those days. And people were not particularly offended by the received slap from the policeman - as a rule, they received it deservedly. Everything fell into cancer in the 90s. The police stopped paying, the management got sick, they began to take anyone and do whatever they wanted, up to the point that officers in uniform and with service weapons cleaned truckers on the highway while on duty. To somehow change the situation, the courts and the prosecutor's office began to punish the police (the police for everything, about everything) and made them suffer. Who is to blame and what to do is clear. Will we wait for positive shifts?
                  1. +4
                    31 July 2013 06: 27
                    Quote: Grenader
                    Recalling the Soviet times, I want to say that then no one even thought to tremble in the strong hands of a policeman, the employees walked without batons and armor and did not cope poorly with their duties.

                    Everything is correct, because there was a system of justice aimed at protecting CITIZENS. And the police felt the support of the entire STATE behind them, and those who fell into their hands knew about it. And now the words "system", "justice", "citizens" are simply not related to each other :(
                    1. tooth46
                      +3
                      31 July 2013 23: 49
                      Remembering the Soviet times (1970) ... As a rule, police officers were given weapons in exceptional cases. Most of all they were afraid to use it when detaining a gangster. The Soviet prosecutor’s office immediately instituted proceedings against those who applied with a clear accusatory bias. In court, the approach to our brother in such situations was still the same. It was very difficult to have fun. As a rule, at best, dismissal from service followed. From personal: in 1975 in the city of Skhodnya M.o. due to the above threats, he deliberately shot past the serial killer, accidentally encountering him in the cordon of a village. Sinful: I wanted to finish my studies at the academy I had just entered.
              4. +4
                30 July 2013 13: 16
                Quote: Apollon
                this same urka

                and then all the arrogance flew away from him ... pressanuli him (without bruises) specifically I suppose the whole interior was shaken up ... they drove him his greyhound according to the tonsils ... they let me feel all the colors of life ...
                1. +4
                  30 July 2013 13: 48
                  Quote: Scoun
                  and then all the arrogance flew away from him ... pressanuli him (without bruises) specifically I suppose the whole interior was shaken up ... they drove him his greyhound according to the tonsils ... they let me feel all the colors of life ...

                  While they are doing a massage to him laughing
                  All interesting things, after the sentencing, they will instill a love of the police there.
                2. grafrozow
                  +1
                  31 July 2013 00: 45
                  Quote: Scoun
                  . made it possible to feel all the colors of life ...

                  No, these are just flowers-berries in front.
              5. Shooter308ful
                +17
                30 July 2013 13: 26
                These lumps all sing like that - "ya chilovek is small, but such a thing didn’t do it, and I’m ploho Gavar in Russian." This is already an invasion, a quiet and creeping invasion of the primordial Slavic lands. Where is the political will to stop this INVASION ???????????
                1. Warrawar
                  +7
                  30 July 2013 16: 25
                  Quote: Shooter308ful
                  This is an invasion, a quiet and creeping invasion of the original Slavic lands. Where is the political will to stop this invasion ????????????

                  Until the realization that we are Slavs, and not universal people / Eurasians, etc., comes.
                  By the way, for reference, in Russia there are no lands belonging to the Slavs at all - there are national republics and "common" lands. And there are no Russians at all, purely legally and even more so the Russians do not have their own lands.
                2. +6
                  30 July 2013 17: 06
                  Quote: Shooter308ful
                  These lumps all sing like that - "ya chilovek is small, but such a thing didn’t do it, and I’m ploho Gavar in Russian."

                  1. If this person is a citizen of Russia and does not speak Russian - he went nafig, it is his problem that he studied poorly.
                  2. if a labor migrant, even according to the existing law, he must pass an exam on knowledge of the Russian language and there simply needs to be prescribed one more item. After passing the exam, this person signs that he passed and he does not need a translator (he passed the exam) .. and that’s it ..

                  Well, tourists should enter as tourists (maybe they can put a stamp on their foreheads that a tourist ... saw a Turk at a construction site with the stamp "tourist" immediately confiscation and deportation with penalty yard waste work.
                  1. grafrozow
                    +4
                    31 July 2013 00: 52
                    Quote: Scoun
                    . if a labor migrant, even according to the existing law, he must pass an exam on knowledge of the Russian language and there just needs to be registered one more point. After passing the exam, this person signs that he passed and he does not need a translator (he passed the exam) .. and that’s it ..

                    Have you seen Russian language courses for migrants? At least 800 words, and that’s all, he receives a certificate for the FMS. So they don’t want to learn 800 words either.
            2. vlrosch
              +7
              30 July 2013 20: 05
              What fear is there, the local policemen at their feed, they will rather tie a Russian, but they will not touch the chock. Apparently that's why the riot police sent, even if they feed themselves. And those whom they detained today at night and will be released.
          2. +12
            30 July 2013 10: 20
            Quote: Alexander Romanov
            Yes, I'm for shaking and turning angry every day


            Until they understand that they are not climbing into a strange garden with their own charter. Yes, Russia is one for all, but the order for all must be one. By what court you judge - you will be judged by such a court. If you want lawlessness for others, get it both for yourself and for your kind.

            Like that. More often they need to quote the words of Alexander Nevsky, for general development.
            1. +8
              30 July 2013 11: 27
              Quote: skeptic
              Until they understand that they are not climbing into a strange garden with their own charter.

              They will be caught only when they are beaten, like dogs. They feel themselves masters, hence the impudence.
              1. +12
                30 July 2013 12: 43
                Quote: Alexander Romanov
                They feel themselves masters, hence the impudence.

                Alexander! hi My regards! drinks
                What amuses me the most is how they lie specifically. He says that I didn’t beat at all and stood with my back and sincerely do not understand what claims to him?
                In general, the family got one more! Junior is an attempted rape of the 15th girl!
                Elder brother-a complete rejection of the laws of society and morality! Well, their sister to match them, with fists at the opera climbed! Look people, admire !!!
          3. avt
            +21
            30 July 2013 10: 30
            Quote: Alexander Romanov
            Yes, I'm for shaking and twisting them daily

            Then it is necessary to conduct police excursion tours in the markets from all over the country. laughing Policemen are bought at the markets at once. You look more closely at the video - that dag that the girko opera bought was released by the local "roof policemen. And they were detained only because the diaspora gave them away, when Kolokoltsov put specific money on their grandmothers. So how many black cash they lost in two days, at retail in Moscow! Yes, for a week of such a shmona when selling watermelons in Moscow - they Abdulatipov tied and tied with ribbons with bows and cream smeared right on Zhitnaya will bring! The most suffering begins with raising the dough on melons. , not detention - a pornographic show and a complete disgrace of the "best of the best". They are accustomed to impunity and waving their heads and hands, but they are not accustomed to work with their heads and hands, and they are not trained.
            1. +10
              30 July 2013 11: 34
              Quote: avt
              And the operas are actually - mu..k from the series, not detention - a pornographic show and a complete disgrace of the "best of the best".

              What do you need at all, when the cops begin to break someone, yelling the lawlessness of the cop. The cops start shooting, so damn it, it will also be to blame, an increase in authority. One prapor lupanul idiot with a club, so zhurnalyugi raised such a howl and remember how it all ended. Interestingly, it’s easy to criticize, but you would be there wink there, 30 frostbitten Dagestanis would have waved you there, well, or you.
              1. Hon
                +5
                30 July 2013 12: 40
                Quote: Alexander Romanov
                One prapor lupanul idiot with a club, so zhurnalyugi raised such a howl and remember how it all ended.

                Pearl enslavement inadequate stupid person and frostbite.

                On May 11, 2013, Vadim Boyko (pearl ensign) was detained by private security officers in St. Petersburg after a conflict with cafe employees, after which Boyko went home and returned with a gun. The only shot he managed to fire from a double-barreled shotgun hit the ceiling at the moment when the cafe employee tried to deflect the weapon aimed at him. Subsequently, he repented of everything that happened and admitted his guilt.
              2. +10
                30 July 2013 12: 47
                Quote: Alexander Romanov
                when the cops begin to break someone, yelling at the cop's mess.

                That is the truth! Zachmy.rili cops - got a lawlessness of crime, especially ethnic! No citizens, save the police, can be saved from lawlessness, no people's squads! Stop the harassment and give the police real authority to use force. A policeman must be right a priori, like everywhere else in the world! Otherwise, the animals will be a priori right! Who needs this? Human rights activists s.r.anym?
              3. avt
                +8
                30 July 2013 13: 42
                Quote: Alexander Romanov
                What do you need at all, when the cops begin to break someone-yelling outrage of the cop

                Are you actually who? Save this tirade for wading hamsters.
                Quote: Alexander Romanov
                Interestingly, it’s easy to criticize, and you would have been wink there. 30 frostbitten Dagestanis would have waved you there, well, or you.

                And I am already here. And the dawn of Chirkizon and its sunset in front of my eyes was happening, I know, for example, as an investigator - a young girl under Luzhkov -zade on Cherkizon, they just punched them in the head with a blackboard and nothing was shown on TV. And as the local traffic police drove up to the watermelon hill - silently under the arm two watermelons, I would have taken more but nothing, and let's go patrol, these are just the ones that Dag Magu was dragged away from the speed bump and released. Yes, and in the early 90s - with the guys from the land on which the Riga, aka Krestovsky market, was familiar, so how they fed the cops, how it all began and still works - I know not from the news and not on the Internet and TV. These are just small things they throw at you - seeds, so into an easy half-screech.
                1. +2
                  30 July 2013 15: 13
                  Quote: avt
                  Save this tirade for wading hamsters.

                  Oh how are we in hostility straight
                  Quote: avt
                  during Luzhkov’s back in Cherkizon they simply hit a board on the head and didn’t show anything on TV.

                  As it was not shown, it was not shown, but from this incident the sunset of Cherkizon went
                  Quote: avt
                  .Yes and in the early 90s - with the guys from the land on which Riga, aka Krestovsky market, was familiar, so how to feed the cops, how it all started and now is

                  Do not want to take it!
                  1. avt
                    +7
                    30 July 2013 15: 35
                    Quote: Alexander Romanov
                    As it was not shown, it was not shown, but from this incident the sunset of Cherkizon went

                    The decline of Cherkizon left the "Three Whales" business when they started looking seriously - who is protecting the gray customs import. Painfully fat pieces began to fly by after the work of the previous chiefs of customs.
                    Quote: Alexander Romanov
                    Do not want to take it!

                    I’ll tell a fairy tale - as a good fellow, he went into the police department in a country now unknown, in the days not of epic years, and the 89th, but centuries of the past, he was amazed at the amount of wondrous goods, since there were different kinds of sneakers. And he asked the servant man — what is this marvelous thing? Thing is a dock on a roundup of duty free merchants. Well, where is all this? But you yourself think - the matter will not reach the court, but if you push it then half a year, a year. And we seize such a warehouse almost every day at the cooperative market. Well ? Yes, there is a couple of traders of quiet treasured .... And are not you afraid? Who ? The time is coming on - the very conscientious ones have already quit, and the especially stubborn criminal code and honor - as they suddenly turned out to be so bad and unscrupulous with the shame of those dismissed, who are now called werewolves. Tale a lie, I warn you right away laughing Here the tales end.
          4. fedorovith
            +1
            30 July 2013 19: 35
            Moreover, they shook with them those who are interested in their presence in Russia.
          5. +1
            31 July 2013 06: 18
            Quote: Alexander Romanov
            Yes, I'm for shaking and twisting them daily

            Guys, everyone is "for this", but in fact, alas, it turns out that those who are behind the counter are shaking - and in most cases these are almost the same disenfranchised migrants working for a penny. And to those who are behind them - or i.e. lies quietly at home on the couch or even on the beach - so these checks are purple: (Ie, you need to fight with the head of the hydra, and not with her ... nails :)
        2. tverskoi77
          +11
          30 July 2013 11: 24
          such raids need to be carried out constantly and not from case to case.

          Unfortunately, such raids are carried out only if one of their colleagues was given a good neck. Murder, robbery, rape of ordinary citizens of the country falls under the concept of tolerance.
        3. +10
          30 July 2013 13: 10
          Quote: Apollon
          such raids need to be carried out constantly and not occasionally

          Last night, I’m walking around the town ...... and I hear a whistle ..... I look at a few young Tajiks or Uzbeks who clearly whistle two young girls passing by ... I got so furious ... I expressed everything ...
          PS.
          Let me explain why the whistle infuriated me ... usually whistle this way those who pay and the girl / country dances ...... that is .. I came to Thailand, I’m a tourist, I brought them money and I’m ready to spend it there and they know it and, accordingly, they have developed their own behavior ... as an example, if I secretly say to a stranger "(whistle) Hello! and she turns around and Hello responds, then this essentially means that she is not against dating. Ugly but something like that ..
          It’s not they who feed us here, but we give them food, and they begin to behave as if they are our "benefactors" ...
        4. +2
          30 July 2013 18: 00
          to the question of the injury - how did it leave the scene of the crime? how is the aunt of the police kicking? it just doesn’t fit in my head.
          Aristophanes. "Lysistrata" ... Are you sheep or guards? ...
          1. +4
            30 July 2013 22: 53
            Quote: cumastra1

            Last night, I’m walking around the town ...... and I hear a whistle ..... I’m watching several obviously young Tajiks or Uzbeks whistle two young girls passing by

            And we have 2 Uzbek-builder grandmothers 79 and 74 years old who tried to rape. Grandmas barely fought back. We informed the children. They arrived, built builders. Not everyone was beaten with improvised means, they called 02. OG arrived, the grandmothers of one identified, he was detained. The rest left the construction site in a hurry, but later they were invited and taken to the police station. Now, as they say, investigative actions are underway.
        5. +2
          30 July 2013 21: 10
          The policeman suffered. Maybe this will serve as a lesson for the police and an impetus for tidying up order. Already not to bribes.
        6. +2
          31 July 2013 21: 44
          This is not just a case. Soon elections in the Mother See.
        7. Sergey Poles
          +1
          4 August 2013 19: 55
          it is clear that it is necessary to carry out, but not only in the markets but also at construction sites and not only in Moscow, there are now more of them in other cities than in the main throne
      2. +17
        30 July 2013 10: 31
        I wonder how the Dagestan, who had broken his head, was able to escape. The video clearly shows how two policemen are holding him, and then he dissolves ... In addition, such cases are not uncommon - you need to deal not only with visitors.
    3. +21
      30 July 2013 10: 37
      hi
      For the Russians or for the Russians?
      It is clear that a Russian is a person of any nationality who has Russian citizenship - like Gerard Depardieu, for example, or the same Tajiks - Uzbeks from the INDEPENDENT states of Central Asia.
      And then it’s actually n.assrath, from a high bell tower to the problems of migration policy, if it (this policy) does not prevent them from dragging all their relatives from their historical homeland to Russia, and best of all to Moscow.
      For RUSSIANs, the question sounds very serious - with so many migrants, the question is already being asked how to be or not to be the Russian people as such.
      And if the Russian world does not want to lose its identity and not dissolve its genotype in other nationalities, “chewing snot” with liberalistic tolerance on the part of the government is categorically not permissible here!
      A national program should be adopted with specific criteria for the preservation of the Russian nation as the “backbone” of the country and clear rules for the migration policy of Russia as a multinational state.
    4. AVV
      +2
      30 July 2013 13: 51
      A new land, this is a great idea! Let the markets open there! And there is enough work to arrange there!
    5. +3
      30 July 2013 16: 10
      Migrants are specially imported. Sheeps are easier to manage!
      1. -2
        30 July 2013 16: 13
        But I’m good to poke a chocolate bar laughing
        1. +9
          30 July 2013 17: 36
          hi
          It’s better to pick your nose, colleague, or pick out dirt from your navel, less health hazard ... Yes ...
          1. 0
            30 July 2013 19: 55
            Well, the Russians have always been distinguished by a craving for new knowledge and some kind of riskiness, so to speak. laughing
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    9. +7
      30 July 2013 21: 42
      Quote: tronin.maxim
      Or the right politicians?

      Migration Policy!

      An open letter from the head of the portal Superjob.ru, Alexei Zakharov, to the President of the Russian Federation

      http://www.superjob.ru/info/announcement.html?id=111332
      Dear Mr. President!

      You set the task of creating 25 millions of “good and well-paid" jobs by 2020 year. This is a great challenge, and we, as employers, are both in favor of it.

      But the real human resources policy is that by the year 2020 there will be additional 25 million jobs created for low-skilled migrants. This is in addition to the 10 — 15 millions of jobs that are already created for them.
      As a result of state policy in the coming decades, the number of low-skilled migrants attracted from abroad will be more than half of the economically active population of the country.

      Of course, we understand that a course has been taken on the innovative development of Russia. What is innovation? This is an increase in competitiveness through the application of advanced production management methods, cost reduction, etc. etc. In this sense, attracting a large number of low-paid and low-skilled labor force, which also works mostly outside the legal field on slave terms, is an unconditional innovation that allows organizations to reduce costs and become more competitive.
  2. Valery Neonov
    +8
    30 July 2013 06: 52
    I wish that such a phenomenon as migration (labor!) Was maximally streamlined and controlled! by the competent authorities. Not a ban, but total control over those who arrived at work in Russia. It seems to me. hi
    1. +10
      30 July 2013 07: 25
      Quote: Valery Neonov
      Not a ban, but total control over those who arrived at work in Russia.

      Correctly. And if a newcomer has committed any crime - deportation with a ban once and for all to enter the Russian Federation.
      1. +5
        30 July 2013 10: 18
        That's right, but first the punishment for the crime, and then the deportation forever
      2. +3
        30 July 2013 11: 08
        As with "striped friends-partners - they did not like you, everything, entry into the States, even a tourist is prohibited, not to mention work or living.
  3. serge-68-68
    +24
    30 July 2013 06: 57
    The market and the labor system in Russia is a black hole worse than the Serdyukov army. And worse at times. And it does not even destroy the state, but society.
  4. +22
    30 July 2013 06: 58
    A contagious disease called "labor migration" poisons my homeland.
    And those who are responsible for her health apparently do not care.
    After all, it is not their daughters who are raped and not their sons who are killed in large numbers.
    Interestingly, is there any benefit from worms?
    1. Malleus
      +1
      30 July 2013 12: 36
      "I wonder if worms are of any use?"
      some cranks use it for weight loss ... lol
  5. +25
    30 July 2013 07: 20
    Yes, the Russian people (I hate the word "Russians") are afraid not of migrants, but of the Russian one-sided justice. If the law was applied to everyone in the same way, and not in such a way that "Rafik is always innocent," and a Russian-speaking one is a Nazi-fascist, etc., then it would be quite possible to put "migrants" in their place, and at the same time eLKaenov.
    An example should be taken from Belarus and Australia: there, in conflicts with local initially the newcomer is to blame.
    1. +6
      30 July 2013 08: 52
      Quote: anip
      Yes, the Russian people (I hate the word "Russians") are not afraid of migrants, but of Russian one-sided justice.

      You're right. And the future "Russians", here they are in the photo, are coming to us in trains.
    2. Malleus
      +7
      30 July 2013 12: 40
      "We should take an example from Belarus and Australia: there the newcomer is initially to blame for conflicts with the locals."

      Well, already you and I are aliens.
      http://www.nr2.ru/pict/arts1/r89/dop1/09/09/17.jpg
      1. +3
        30 July 2013 12: 59
        Wow! belay It's time to rename it to the "North Caucasian Institute of the Ministry of Internal Affairs".
      2. +4
        30 July 2013 13: 51
        don’t be afraid, after studying more than half of them will return to their countries, for example, between our law enforcement agencies there is a state agreement on the study of cadets in your special colleges. and those who remain mean your citizens))) because we did not issue Russian passports to them
        1. +4
          30 July 2013 14: 44
          Quote: lonely
          after studying, more than half of them will return to their countries

          IMHO, it is necessary that everyone would return! Including those who became "citizens" of Russia! To revoke citizenship is just a matter of the political will of the authorities!
          1. +6
            30 July 2013 14: 52
            Well, canceling a person’s citizenship, for being dark-skinned, is no longer credible))) you better cancel the citizenship of those who give Russian passports for bribes left and right.
            1. +5
              30 July 2013 20: 26
              It is necessary to annul for illegally obtained passports! And those who issued them for logging, so for eleven years.
      3. smersh70
        +4
        30 July 2013 15: 17
        Quote: Malleus
        Well, already you and I are aliens.



        My friend !!!!!!!! Yes, tomorrow when he returns to his home, he will defend the interests of your own country .... after all, he’s almost an agent of influence)))))))) .. here For example, I studied in Minsk .... and still if Belarus, Russian or Ukrainian contact me ... I will first of all solve his problems, because it was his homeland that gave me an excellent education! and I’m always proud of it !!! !!!!! because in the visitor's face I always see the faces of those classmates, friends, neighbors and just acquaintances who stayed there !!!! Regards !!!!!!
        1. Malleus
          +6
          30 July 2013 15: 43
          to your home?
          in Moscow courts there are already only "domesticated" judges and other justice officials.
          I doubt very much that they remember who taught them how to write standing up, but frightened them away from carnal pleasures with donkeys ...
      4. grafrozow
        +4
        30 July 2013 18: 27
        Quote: Malleus
        Well, already you and I are aliens.
        http://www.nr2.ru/pict/arts1/r89/dop1/09/09/17.jpg

        Fuck !!!! Entirely "Dear Russians"
  6. +18
    30 July 2013 07: 26
    Migrant workers DO NOT NEED US! There are several million of their unemployed, let our government better employ them and help them, and the Ravshans and Dzhumshuts with a tablecloth will go to their stinking sunny republics! As for the Australians, well done, it's high time, Europe, by the way, also embarks on this path.
    1. -2
      30 July 2013 10: 01
      It is not a matter of lack of work, but of the unemployed themselves. Full of work, but no one wants to work. Here guests from Central Asia come to our aid, ready for hard work for pennies.
      PS And as for the overgrown migrants, then it is necessary with them more terribly.
      1. +10
        30 July 2013 11: 47
        Full of work, but no one wants to work.


        Nobody wants to work for this salary. And they want to work.
        1. -2
          30 July 2013 16: 27
          Still would . And even better not to do nichrome and get money.
      2. +8
        30 July 2013 12: 41
        Quote: Ilya Mikhalych
        Full of work, but no one wants to work.

        What do you mean "does not want"? Of course they do! They want to work, receive a decent salary, ensure working conditions (in accordance with the Labor Code), social security, leave, retirement.Our Citizens, for the most part, do not agree, and do not live, in basements, trailers and containers. They need to "raise" children, pay for the predatory services of housing and communal services. Our citizens do not want to receive 5-15 thousand rubles, signing for 30-40 thousand, allowing dealers from housing and communal services and other bureaucrats to "pocket" the difference. Therefore tales about "how Russians do not want to work and migrants come to their places" are suitable only for those who have forgotten how to use their thinking apparatus.
        1. +1
          30 July 2013 15: 55
          Our citizens want a lot of things and disagree with many things, but the harsh reality dictates its terms. For example, my brother works as a foreman at a construction site, he gets good money, he saved up for a foreign car in a couple of years - BUT for this he has to go to hell and roam around rented huts. And here he says to me, "We are ready to pay Russian builders at least 40 thousand a month, if only they go, but few people want to go hell knows where and live in Spartan style, and Uzbeks are ready for anything for the sake of ten". So that's it.
          1. grafrozow
            +1
            30 July 2013 18: 45
            Quote: Ilya Mikhalych
            for this he has to go to hell and roam around rented huts. And here he says to me, "We are ready to pay Russian builders at least 40 thousand a month, if only they go, but few people want to go hell knows where and live in Spartan style, and Uzbeks are ready for anything for the sake of ten". So that's it.

            That's right, live in Spartan, and in normal conditions there will be no end to those who want it. For 30 years in the north, we lived in a trailer and in a sliding room, -50 * and a toilet on the street. I don’t want this for my children.
          2. +3
            30 July 2013 18: 45
            Forgive me, the desire of a person to work in decent conditions is “they want a lot of things?” Or is it not the desire to make you draft animals (cattle), this is “a lot of disagreements with that?” This “harsh reality” is not a natural process, it created artificially. This is X ... I’m reality! The example you gave may be reality, but in a particular case. And to use it as an example of the general reluctance of the Citizens of Russia to work is similar to an inversion (using a particular case, in summing up the general). his phrase WE ARE READY TO PAY 40 THOUSAND, his income (possibly!) is much more. He knows for what money "goes to hell, and knocks around the rented huts." I know the opposite examples in which OUR People are ready, for 40 thousand, live Spartan and endure certain hardships. And again, this is not Gut. Pay attention to what is happening in countries that have allowed, under the pretext of compensating for labor shortages, the policy of multiculturalism, humanism, openness and tolerance, to their territory temporarily live and work "millions of legal and not so immigrants from Muslim countries. What has this led to, for example, in France, Germany, Denmark, Norway, Italy and others. The Uzbeks are ready for EVERYTHING for the sake of a dozen? Exactly, EVERYTHING! In general, these are personal problems of the Uzbeks. So, like this.
            1. -4
              30 July 2013 19: 40
              Well, if you expel all migrants, then who will do the dirty work for us!? Migrants are beneficial, although not always legal.
              1. soldier's grandson
                0
                30 July 2013 19: 46
                well, no one will work in Maskvabad, Muscovites are not from the periphery
                1. grafrozow
                  +4
                  30 July 2013 20: 47
                  Quote: Soldier's grandson
                  well, no one will work in Maskvabad, Muscovites are not from the periphery

                  What does Moscow have to do with it? They spread all over the country like cockroaches. Disinfection in one corner will not solve the problem - they will disinfect the WHOLE HOUSE. am
                  1. -2
                    30 July 2013 22: 08
                    Are you a nationalist?
                    1. grafrozow
                      +3
                      30 July 2013 23: 16
                      Quote: Ilya Mikhalych
                      Are you a nationalist?

                      Now yes, and I also want MY HOUSE to be in order, so that MY HOUSE is not turned into a communal apartment. Remember the "heart of a dog" Shvonder & Co. Here is my house in Tyumen, not a single apartment with LKV, and everyone is just happy. Here in NADYM it is worse, at the entrance of the 2nd family LKN-got it. am
              2. grafrozow
                +7
                30 July 2013 20: 39
                Quote: Ilya Mikhalych
                Well, if you expel all migrants, then who will do the dirty work for us!? Migrants are beneficial, although not always legal.

                Dear, this is what happens, before the migrants all of Moscow was in shit? Do not tell my deceased grandmother, she will not laugh anymore. Previously, there was a turn for the position of a janitor, because they received official housing and in 10-15 years it became property. There was an incentive. And now migrants are like slaves, they have less concern with their bosses, and more profit. Stop talking about lazy Russians, I'm tired of listening to this crap. hi
                1. -5
                  30 July 2013 22: 27
                  Can you hear the printed text!? Yes you are a genius smile . Anyway . The time when the janitor was held in high esteem has long passed unfortunately, but today if you can’t help yourself, then no one will help. Natural selection, so to speak.
                  1. grafrozow
                    +1
                    30 July 2013 23: 27
                    Quote: Ilya Mikhalych
                    Can you hear the printed text!? Yes you are a genius. Anyway . The time when the janitor was held in high esteem has long passed unfortunately, but today if you can’t help yourself, then no one will help. Natural selection, so to speak.

                    Hear you, please, this is not natural selection, it is corruption in the housing and communal services. By the way, the house in Nadym, this is how our summer began on June 16, 2013 Question-Shihani is not on the Saratov-Volgograd highway, we go on vacation for it with our family.
                    1. 0
                      30 July 2013 23: 40
                      It is on the track. Such a small town, a big village.
                      1. grafrozow
                        0
                        31 July 2013 01: 02
                        Quote: Ilya Mikhalych
                        It is on the track. Such a small town, a big village.

                        It will be interesting to see.
          3. +1
            31 July 2013 06: 59
            Quote: Ilya Mikhalych
            "We are ready to pay Russian builders at least 40 thousand a month, just to go, but few people want to go hell knows where and live in Spartan style, and Uzbeks are ready for anything for the sake of ten"

            There is some truth in this: not all people are ready to WORK and EARN. Not many, but not few, want to GET money. For them, the initial wages are not the work and getting paid for it.
            While the question of the justice of payment for work is not raised, it, justice, in the conditions of capitalism, IMHO simply does not exist. And there is only a market-based salary (at the junction of the demand for workers - the supply of qualified specialists). Yes and that.
            So, just for Uzbeks, Chinese, etc. "ten" is a lot. There are also Russians who do not want to do the same job for ten. It depends both on the person himself and on the environment where he lives. For example, on our watch people get 30 thousand, sometimes 50. This is a watch. Yesterday, a man from the Severs just called about work, when he found out about the zpl, he said to the girls dismissively: "baby, I won't work even over 70". On the one hand, yes, he realizes his right and desire for wages, but on the other hand, he belittles us, I consider honest workers.
            Another example. I was in Tunisia. (yes, for such a payday I can save on vacation, where then does the guy for 70tyr rest? :)) Arabs are an extremely lazy PEOPLE as a whole. They don’t want to work, they only want to receive money. Including on tourists. For a T-shirt they ask for 2500p, they sell it for 200p (I suspect it costs 150p). I have not seen such a gap anywhere :) But this is a trifle. Tunisia is just a mountain of garbage. Because no one wants to work as a janitor for the mines installed in the 6tyr. They are waiting for the new president to be elected and 8 tyr to be established. Well, their desire is good, so that their mine will be like ours. But guys, your house 200m2 is worth 400tyr, and we have the Khrushchevka 3mln, what is it?
            So, such people are always and everywhere. Well at least the Uzbeks and the Chinese are working, and the Russians are not all "snatchers" after all!
          4. sams
            +1
            31 July 2013 08: 57
            Ilya Mikhalych
            "We are ready to pay Russian builders at least 40 thousand a month, just to go, but few people want to go hell knows where and live in Spartan style, and Uzbeks are ready for anything for the sake of ten."


            This is all from the fable "about bad Russian men" who do not know how to work and do not want to (low labor productivity) and who think only about vodka all their lives (inability to mentally and physically work).
            All these stories are distributed who knows. So they just sleep and see, and even do everything to make it that way.
            Looks like you are one of them.
            1. 0
              31 July 2013 10: 51
              Well, damn it started. I’m not talking about this at all, but that the one who is dissatisfied with his life is to blame for this. And that you attribute me to liberals, I am a PATRIOT !!!
      3. smersh70
        +1
        30 July 2013 15: 18
        Quote: Ilya Mikhalych
        It is not a matter of lack of work, but of the unemployed themselves. Full of work, but no one wants to work. Here guests from Central Asia come to our aid, ready for hard work for pennies. PS And as for the overgrown migrants, then it is necessary with them more terribly.



        Bravo, Mikhalych !!!!!!!!! drinks
      4. grafrozow
        +5
        30 July 2013 18: 35
        Quote: Ilya Mikhalych
        It is not a matter of lack of work, but of the unemployed themselves. Full of work, but no one wants to work. Here guests from Central Asia come to our aid, ready for hard work for pennies.

        That's just for a penny. I will not work for a penny, and thank God they begin to understand that cheap does not mean good.
  7. +15
    30 July 2013 07: 34
    Quote: Volodin Alexey
    if this or that community begins to realize its significance, especially the significance outside the legal field, then this community will gradually dictate the conditions.
    What, in fact, are the indigenous inhabitants of Russian cities and villages who are convinced of through bitter experience. Moreover, every year there is no growing, downward, even in the future.
    Quote: Volodin Alexey
    One gets the impression that this problem excites exclusively ordinary Russian citizens, but it does not concern big business and officials at all.
    That this problem for bureaucrats and businessmen becomes visible and urgent to send them together with migrants to the same address -
    Quote: Volodin Alexey
    We have many territories where work is an endless land. New Earth, the island of New Siberia or Pillar - and under its own power ...
    And in conclusion:
    1. +6
      30 July 2013 10: 44
      NOTHING WRONG?
      Allah Akbar! Is that how the caliphate begins?
    2. +2
      30 July 2013 12: 08
      believe me, if you give each of them a Kalashnikov assault rifle, half of this crowd will shoot each other. Competitors no matter how))))
      1. +5
        30 July 2013 12: 17
        Quote: lonely
        believe me, if you give each of them a Kalashnikov assault rifle, half of this crowd will shoot each other. Competitors no matter how

        it is possible, but after the infidels are shot., (in their concept, of course)
        1. +3
          30 July 2013 12: 24
          they are only interested in earning. Believe me, 99% wanted to sneeze on the ideas of jihad, and even if people of different faiths who are at odds with each other look at it, oh how painful it is
          1. +5
            30 July 2013 12: 58
            Quote: lonely
            they are only interested in earning. believe 99% wanted to sneeze on the ideas of jihad,

            Your words to God’s ears, only this is far from true this is an isolated case, and only in Moscow, on the scale of Russia, it is no longer 1% ... of your 99% of those who came to "earn money"
            1. +3
              30 July 2013 13: 54
              I'm talking about those who came to earn money, but Wahhabis are not interested in making money. They have Saudi billionaires in sponsors. Why are they hunched over at construction sites? They have their own idea. But that's what they caught, well done, it’s always
  8. pinecone
    +14
    30 July 2013 07: 36
    The destructive migration policy pursued by the government of the Russian Federation undermines people's confidence in the authorities.
    And then there is another "image" project: the construction of an oceanarium in St. Petersburg worth 3.5 billion rubles.
  9. operator35
    +20
    30 July 2013 07: 39
    Firstly, Rafik was completely innocent))))
    the problem is serious, they are greyhound, our youth with sagging motny can not give a rebuff, hence the crime. impunity has always given rise to lawlessness.
    to expel well, just how much of our money is spent on it and what kind of kickbacks are there .....
    control at the entrance must be tough. I heard there are only "guests" in the west of the prison. and so nefiga money for expulsion to spend-close for the slightest jamb and let them plow on our country. they want to live and work here, let them sit like mice, but this power will not provide, only you and I, dear comrades, so stop drinking, everything is on physical. otherwise, in 10 years, we will be staying here.
    1. rereture
      +10
      30 July 2013 11: 37
      Quote: operator35
      the problem is serious, they are greyhound, our youth with sagging motny can not give a rebuff, hence the crime.


      Article 282, inciting ethnic hatred. Just for some reason, not one representative of the Caucasus or Asian republics did not sit on it, only Russian guys.
      1. operator35
        +3
        30 July 2013 15: 24
        I agree with you, only Dear, if you are afraid of our articles, you can immediately lie under all the "guests", along with children, wives, parents. I do not call, this is my personal opinion ...
        1. operator35
          +3
          30 July 2013 15: 55
          and by the way, I’m not fomenting, I’m not urging you to go bring down all visitors or to organize riots.
          I mean that everyone who snoops around my family (summarizing all the people close to me in one word) should leave with a bruise, and preferably with a broken nose or jaw. snooping means offending, causing bodily harm, stealing, robbing, etc. the only way.
  10. operator35
    +14
    30 July 2013 07: 43
    by the way, I have Asians in the stadium every morning at 6 on the horizontal bars, then I meet them at the market .... and from the Russians I and two guys. and there are 10-15 of them .... and this is not the only example .. friends who play sports, everyone says that guests are constantly on the horizontal bars.
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    2. +3
      30 July 2013 14: 57
      so we have been taught since the days of the USSR. in the morning physical exercises)))
      1. operator35
        +2
        30 July 2013 15: 27
        All of us were taught this way, only many of our compatriots "forgot about it" and now they have priorities.
  11. +10
    30 July 2013 07: 54
    I was always surprised by the words of officials that we need migrants to modernize the economy ....... sorry, we will raise the economy with brooms and shovels !? Only a visa regime, but to begin to remove all Russians from Central Asia, send all illegal immigrants, close borders, years at 10 (enough time for the notion that we do not need Gaster) and develop an effective mechanism for attracting labor migrants!
    1. fedorovith
      +5
      30 July 2013 15: 50
      What kind of modernization they are talking about, half of the newcomers (if not more) are involved in clandestine production of washers, alcohol, "butter" and other products of dubious quality. They come to snatch, and how they do not care.
  12. -1
    30 July 2013 08: 12
    What the hell are they rolling into our cities. Siberia has a lot of empty space. Want to work? Let them go there and create conditions for themselves. THEY WANTED TO RUSSIA? TAIGA ALSO RUSSIA! OR YOU CAN SEND THEM to raise agriculture on Svalbard and Franz Josef Land. This is also Russia.
    1. mogus
      +8
      30 July 2013 08: 40
      From Siberia, indigenous people flee beyond the Urals from unemployment. We are here in terms of quantity as migrants.
    2. +2
      30 July 2013 09: 02
      Quote: Kibalchish
      THEY WANTED TO RUSSIA?

      you are mistaken, they do not want to Russia, they go to work, the Russian Federation as such, they are on the drum.
    3. +16
      30 July 2013 09: 38
      Quote: Kibalchish
      Siberia has a lot of empty space. Want to work? Let them go there

      In Central Asia there are also places in bulk. If they want to work, let them equip their homeland.
      I am amazed at the ease with which Russians are ready to give Siberia to migrants !!!
      Well, lands are not being developed temporarily, so what? Is that a reason to hand them out? So why not the Chinese, for example?
      Earth is a value that can no longer be produced in the world. Let it be in reserve for the indigenous people of Russia.
    4. ed65b
      +8
      30 July 2013 10: 37
      Quote: Kibalchish
      What the hell are they rolling into our cities. Siberia has a lot of empty space. Want to work? Let them go there and create conditions for themselves. THEY WANTED TO RUSSIA? TAIGA ALSO RUSSIA! OR YOU CAN SEND THEM to raise agriculture on Svalbard and Franz Josef Land. This is also Russia.

      Why the heck do we need them in Siberia? no, you’d better take them to yourself.
    5. +5
      30 July 2013 12: 12
      Exactly: Siberia and the Far East are also Russia. In our country, there is already one litter of the Principality of Moscow. Why do trash from all over the country?
    6. +4
      30 July 2013 13: 53
      Quote: Kibalchish
      What the hell are they rolling into our cities. Siberia has a lot of empty space. Want to work? Let them go there and create conditions for themselves.

      In how do you separate the European part of Russia and Siberia!
      Nehru they do in Siberia! And so already, you go into the bus, half of the passengers are LCN ... they have filled everything and multiply like rabbits. They’re going not only to earn money, but to somehow catch on here. They come with their children and wives, who will impose these children around them, and they themselves beg.
      In the markets, their buses are with flights from Khujand, Osh-i, Derbent, etc.
      PS: So, you leave these LCN to yourself!
      And Siberia, in fact, is capitalized.
      1. +1
        30 July 2013 15: 13
        Quote: Sea Snake
        and they themselves are begging.

        You correctly noticed it, the same migrants are crowded. laughing
    7. +1
      30 July 2013 14: 58
      there are already Chinese)))
    8. grafrozow
      +5
      30 July 2013 18: 58
      Dear, they are already here-Urengoy, taxi-azerbo .., market-Dage ..., shops-mix from the Caucasus. There is no need to take out a bucket of garbage from the apartment to the corridor, garbage must be thrown into a landfill.
      Quote: Kibalchish
      Siberia has a lot of empty space. Want to work? Let them go there and create conditions for themselves. THEY WANTED TO RUSSIA? TAIGA ALSO RUSSIA! OR YOU CAN SEND THEM to raise agriculture on Svalbard and Franz Josef Land. This is also Russia.
  13. Igor77
    +5
    30 July 2013 08: 14
    I didn’t look who was there on our uneven bars, but all of ours couldn’t break into the gyms. )
    1. operator35
      +4
      30 July 2013 08: 27
      I agree, just go our hairline to sharpen and show off. 3-4 people work in the hall.
      1. +4
        30 July 2013 11: 41
        Quote: operator35
        I agree, just go our hairline to sharpen and show off. 3-4 people work in the hall.

        Yes, it’s enough to look at different sporting events. Some are Magomedovs and Akhmedovs)) Most of all, it’s a bit bad. When the Russian Federation is against Azerbaijan and the announcer announces Magomed Abdulov on the red corner from Russia, and Magomed Aliyev in blue)))
        1. +5
          30 July 2013 12: 10
          So these Magomedovs and Akhmedovs, with the help of the local Russian authorities, turned all gyms into cafes and restaurants and kept them at home, so there is respect for our corrupt authorities. hi
          1. +1
            30 July 2013 15: 00
            Well, the authorities are corrupt, are we to blame for chtoli?))))))
          2. +1
            30 July 2013 19: 53
            Quote: mhpv
            So these Magomedovs and Akhmedovs, with the help of the local Russian authorities, turned all gyms into cafes and restaurants and kept them at home, so there is respect for our corrupt authorities.

            oh, it’s dumb to lie. They’ve taken everything away from the Russians, but they’ve built everything in themselves. In St. Petersburg there are enough sections of everything and everything. In awesome conditions, only young people like pivandra, clubs and games. .I went from my class to sports sections 1 and that’s all !!!
            And when the annual competitions were held at the University of the Ministry of Internal Affairs, it seemed like you were in the championship in the Caucasus. 1st place was by the number of participants Azerbaijanis, then Dagestanis and then the rest. There were many Chechens and Ngush people in Russia, although I studied they are at the university many times more than Caucasians.
  14. +14
    30 July 2013 08: 29
    With such an immigrant policy, we will wait for unrest as in Paris, after which the officials will make round eyes as if the first time they knew about them and we will begin to disentangle this mess.
    Maybe it’s just that in Moscow and St. Petersburg it is necessary to remove the heads of administrations and districts, the chiefs of the Ministry of Internal Affairs from office, as soon as an immigrant has committed an offense, it does not matter which, so to speak, introduce personal responsibility, I think all issues will be resolved right away.
  15. +8
    30 July 2013 08: 39
    Quote: Kibalchish
    Siberia has a lot of empty space. Want to work? Let them go there and create conditions for themselves. THEY WANTED TO RUSSIA? TAIGA ALSO RUSSIA! OR YOU CAN SEND THEM to raise agriculture on Svalbard and Franz Josef Land. This is also Russia.

    unfortunately Siberia and the Far East are already teeming with them. Often, comrades from the Transcaucasus and Central Asia themselves become employers, raking in themselves certain areas of activity. It’s better not to transfer them to the northern islands, because we lose from this - huge transportation costs, and the islands are very, very far away, plus they will begin to terrorize the inhabitants of the coastal areas and a number of very significant reasons.
  16. +5
    30 July 2013 08: 57
    For bureaucrats and businessmen, animals are a cheap slave force, which can be lodged in a dugout by a crowd, as well as an article of income from kickbacks, bribes (an example is registration and registration).

    And the people of the country, unfortunately, are the last.
  17. +5
    30 July 2013 09: 02
    I would like to immediately separate two different concepts:
    a) Labor migration.
    b) relocation to permanent residence.
    With labor migration, whether we like it or not, we will have to put up with it. After all, few people in Moscow want to wave a shovel and a broom for relatively little money. And in connection with this:
    1) Visa mode.
    2) I would like to hope that with the withdrawal of Amer from Afghanistan on the border with Uzbekistan and Kazakhstan, there will still be a barrier that, along with the control of drug trafficking, will supervise the visa regime.
    3) Raids of combatants together with the migration service + deportation.
    4) Increased income tax on labor migrants.
    5) A tough stance on employers who hire labor migrants without (with violation) of the visa regime.
    Regarding permanent residence.
    1) Make efforts to repatriate the Slavic population of Uzbekistan, Kyrgyzstan and Tajikistan.
    2) For non-title nations:
    a) 10 - a summer ban on internal migration. (As an option, do not give citizenship immediately, but for a start - a residence permit.)
    b) not allow the creation of enclaves. Distribute with low density for assimilation.
    1. Cat
      +1
      30 July 2013 12: 00
      Quote: a52333
      A tough stance on employers who hire labor migrants without (with violation) a visa regime.

      As far as I know, up to 6 years is now shining for organizing illegal labor migration.
      Only when was this article last applied?
    2. +6
      30 July 2013 13: 02
      It seems to me that Asian migrants on the territory of the Russian Federation are not needed at all in any way. Regarding the salaries of janitors in Moscow, this is a separate topic for discussion, and migrants in it are only a small part of the issue.
      As for the LCN - all to the mountains. If a person has a secondary - special or higher education, then let him work in other regions and then strictly in his specialty. To receive specialized education strictly on the territories of their republics - otherwise they have 100% off-scale on the Unified State Exam, and then they burst into a "tower" to get economic or legal where no one expects them ... and there is no sense from such "specialists" no ... so let them get a technical education, and then they apply for residence in other regions of the Russian Federation ... disperse all diasporas, respectively ... clean up all business structures that belong to them ... and not happy ones in the ditch ... simultaneously crush the screaming "human rights activists" ... the main thing is not to look back at the West. The people of the Russian Federation (and believe me, not only Russians) are sure to support such undertakings. The main thing is the political will that would be. These measures do not apply to doctors, teachers and representatives of other professions - only to parasites, tradesmen, bombers, "builders", as well as loiters ... this is the risk group, of which the vast majority.
      And so everything is according to the law - if you choose freedom of movement - be useful to the society in whose territory you are going to live, and not be a parasite, as it is now happening.
      And in 10-15 years, it’s possible to let a small part into the sphere of public catering ... and that’s very neat, but it’s better not to do this ...
  18. strange and pretty meaningless
    +5
    30 July 2013 09: 11
    Only here Kevin Rudd has a political will, but ours do not have it.

    This is how it manifests itself - no need to close your eyes to that. The lack of clear steps in the migration "policy" is also a policy. I remember that in Primorye - at the dawn of construction projects of the century (Summit new buildings, a miracle bridge, etc.) - it was announced, they say, what kind of good will fall on our heads. The local construction industry wrote with boiling water. Then it turned out that local builders were not suitable for solving such large-scale tasks - in fact, all these "miracles" were built by Tajikstroy. The effect is that the loot has been cut, and the heck of what people need has been rebuilt. The same story with the Olympiad. Guest workers are very convenient for such things - "put jamshud bathtub tiles" and ... money for a ticket and a kick in the ass. If during the years of my student life it was quite possible to cheat on "European-quality repairs", now the topic is closed tightly - Tajikstroy rules. But Putin doesn't know ...
    Although, in principle, one should not blame Power for everything. There is no local resistance. After all, it is not Putin who orders Tajiks to renovate apartments and build "town houses" ...
  19. dance
    +1
    30 July 2013 09: 18
    We have many territories where work is an endless land. New Earth, ...

    On Novaya Zemlya there is an operating test site for nuclear weapons, these "persons without nationality" are not needed there.
    1. Cat
      +1
      30 July 2013 12: 01
      Quote: dansar
      On Novaya Zemlya there is an operating test site for nuclear weapons, these "persons without nationality" are not needed there.

      Well, if only as experimental mice.
    2. Warrawar
      +1
      30 July 2013 16: 38
      Quote: dansar
      On Novaya Zemlya there is an operating test site for nuclear weapons, these "persons without nationality" are not needed there.

      Well, test them.
    3. grafrozow
      +2
      30 July 2013 19: 14
      Quote: dansar
      On Novaya Zemlya there is an operating test site for nuclear weapons, these "persons without nationality" are not needed there.

      The landfill is closed, but the radiation remains. Let them make a camp for migrants who want to, check their qualifications, teach the Russian language, use the experience of Australia. My brother flew to Australia to relatives, so when I got a visa I needed a certificate that my relatives were able to support him for 2 months and buy him a return ticket to Moscow, what a bad example?
  20. pinecone
    +11
    30 July 2013 09: 30
    Quote: a52333

    b) not allow the creation of enclaves. Distribute with low density for assimilation.


    The Lord is with you, what kind of "assimilation" can there be, because they are absolutely alien to us, moreover, in all respects, and we have nothing in common with them. We are talking about the occupation of the country by alien invaders.
  21. Belogor
    +13
    30 July 2013 09: 31
    The whole problem is that illegal migration has a powerful lobby, bureaucracy of all levels, well, who will refuse such a good feeding trough. That is why, this problem will be borne by the population for a long time.
  22. +8
    30 July 2013 09: 48
    Australia is good, she's an island. Loaded a couple of migrant steamers and hello New Guinea! And here a couple of thousand are deported, and they are using new passports, like cockroaches crawling in again and dragging relatives. The very phenomenon of "labor migration" must be banned. Tourist visa for 1 month and goodbye. Re-visit - in six months. Violated the terms of stay - do not let him in again. I was detained for violations during my stay - get out of the country, ban entry forever.
    1. +2
      30 July 2013 17: 39
      Quote: Middle Brother
      Australia is good, it is an island. Loaded a couple of steamboats of migrants and, hello, New Guinea!

      What is worse for Russia winked, there is Novaya Zemlya, France-Joseph Land, loaded a couple of bulk carriers and hello Arctic fellow
      Take a look - what is not the island of Bali laughing
  23. pinecone
    +8
    30 July 2013 09: 58
    About the so-called "uprising" of the peoples of Central Asia., which broke out in the summer of 1916. after the announcement of the tsarist decree on attracting part of the male population of Turkestan to rear work in the front-line areas.

    After the Ottoman Empire entered the First World War (October 1914), such appeals spread in the territories of Turkestan and the Steppe Territory: “Muslims! The Caliph of Islam reigning over us - the Turkish Sultan, is waging war with Russia and other allied states. Every Muslim must sympathize with this holy war of the Sultan and must immediately sacrifice for its needs and for the good of the war of all Islam. And the one who is not able to sacrifice, he himself must join the ranks of the battle against the infidels ... It is time for the liberation of the Giaurov-Russians from power ... ” Rumors circulated about the defeats of the Russian troops, and the smallest successes of the German and, especially, the Ottoman forces were unrestrainedly praised.
    In a number of places, especially in the Fergana Valley, the uprising was led by dervishes-preachers calling for ghazavat. A. Mamirov, an eyewitness to the uprising, said (June 1946) that the slogans of the rebels were: "Down with the White Tsar and the Russians." "Do not be afraid! If you are killed, you will become martyrs, if you kill, you will be gases (fighters for the faith)! Beat the Russians, we will make Muslimabad - the Muslim world! We will kill the Russians and create a Muslim state. "
    1. Warrawar
      +3
      30 July 2013 16: 42
      Quote: pinecone
      About the so-called "uprising" of the peoples of Central Asia., which broke out in the summer of 1916. after the announcement of the tsarist decree on attracting part of the male population of Turkestan to rear work in the front-line areas.

      Handsome! Not in the eyebrow, but in the eye! Let all the guardians of the "brotherhood in the USSR" see it
  24. +3
    30 July 2013 09: 59
    Quote: Belogor
    bureaucracy at all levels, well, who will refuse such a good feeder. That is why, this problem will be borne by the population for a long time.

    I agree, so it's time to deal with their units. soldier
  25. +8
    30 July 2013 10: 10
    Currently, migrants from neighboring countries are janitors, builders and handymen.
    As time passes, clans form and they will no longer work, but will look for ways to make easy money. Already now they are greyhound ...
    It is necessary to fundamentally change the rules for their stay on the territory of the Russian Federation, to build controlled dormitories in separate territories with temporary residence permits at the hostel with the help of migrants, followed by their departure to their homeland.
  26. +2
    30 July 2013 10: 11
    Quote: Alexander Romanov
    Quote: tronin.maxim
    , we do not have enough rigidity in migration policy!

    Cruelty to migrants ??? We with Dagestanis cannot really figure it out, metam in the middle of Moscow are breaking their heads. Our state is humane to guests of all stripes.
    Although now the news shows how riot police in the market are putting things in order wassat it would be more often like this, but always better. After such operations for a long time, some brains will take their place. In any case, there will be less greyhounds

    I completely agree with you that police raids need to be established more often, and indeed to tighten immigration laws, otherwise I don’t feel ... and become impudent! Work with migrants should begin from the border and so on at all levels, and the right to trade within the country can be determined by the principle of registration, or so that foreigners would import goods, sell them to markets, and the markets themselves would hire sellers for resale, and what Regarding control, in the Union the Chekists controlled the whole country, and now the authorities cannot control a single market! Or does not want?
    1. Cat
      +2
      30 July 2013 12: 06
      Quote: Prapor Afonya
      power can not control a single market! Or does not want?

      And he wants, and maybe he controls. And he gets big incomes from this. Or do you seriously think that markets are completely left to black?
  27. +6
    30 July 2013 10: 14
    Quote: a52333

    b) not allow the creation of enclaves. Distribute with low density for assimilation.

    Sometimes, going out into the street, I begin to doubt whether I live in Russia? They are everywhere like cockroaches. And the number is constantly increasing.
  28. waisson
    +2
    30 July 2013 10: 15
    well done Australians we would create such a filtration point somewhere in Siberia and they would sit and think while they are considering their candidacy is it worth it or isn’t worth it to work and break the laws in RUSSIA
  29. +5
    30 July 2013 10: 26
    Believe or not believe sociological polls - everyone’s private affair
    quite right, just every day at the Novoslobodskaya metro station I see women offering to participate in the survey and get 100rub, and the fact that migration is the number one problem for the residents of Russia can not hide anything.
    After a traffic accident with a bus near Podolsk, both drove and ride. Today, in spite of the prohibition sign for trucks, a pre-timber truck with a trailer loaded with a saw cut all the skewed and driving migrant, arrived at Novoslobodskaya in the area of ​​Miuskaya street, the same migrants are already lighting up on Gazelles Housing and communal services.
    The raids take place only after the incidents, and they do not get along quite well with law enforcement agencies, you can regularly observe Komsomolskaya for their peaceful coexistence, only periodically they are kicked out for excuses for a couple of days.
    48 hours to decriminalize markets laughing do not tell mine I .... ah!
    One "Gardener" needs to be checked for a week, or even more. There they are already so oozy that they can easily be rude simply because you are not satisfied with the price and you will take from the other (it was more to my wife who told me not to go there.
    In general, it seems to me that such social explosions as in Pugachev will only become more frequent, people do not believe in the authorities and begin to defend themselves, but you yourself know what will lead to it.
    It is possible that the authorities do not want to aggravate this problem until the Olympics take place, because there are a lot of problems that haven’t been invested in money. So far, this problem has not been solved.
    1. Alexandr2510
      +2
      30 July 2013 17: 35
      [/ Quote]
      It is possible that the authorities do not want to aggravate this problem until the Olympics are held, because there is a lot of money that has been swollen a lot of problems that have not yet been solved because of = this Olympiad. [/ Quote]
      It would be nice if the whole thing was at the Olympics, but unfortunately you are already walking along Voronezh as if you were already in Dushanbe or Tashkent belay
  30. +7
    30 July 2013 10: 28
    Quote: anip
    Yes, the Russian people (I hate the word "Russians") are afraid not of migrants, but of the Russian one-sided justice. If the law was applied to everyone in the same way, and not in such a way that "Rafik is always innocent," and a Russian-speaking one is a Nazi-fascist, etc., then it would be quite possible to put "migrants" in their place, and at the same time eLKaenov.
    An example should be taken from Belarus and Australia: there, in conflicts with local initially the newcomer is to blame.

    I completely agree with you, a few days ago I raised the question on this site that it was necessary to tighten the question for migrants and the so-called Caucasians, and that the Slavs didn’t get in the way of interfering with the newcomers, as one Azerbaijani criticized me and called me a fascist, but I nevertheless In any case, I will remain with my opinion! And further. if they are already breaking through our heads of cops, what next? He is the Russian people, he is like a spring, they are crushing him, crushing him, and if the government doesn’t change his mind, the people can straighten up and then it will not show anyone!
    1. +5
      30 July 2013 11: 21
      Quote: Prapor Afonya
      He is the Russian people, it’s like a spring, it’s crushed, crushed, and if the government doesn’t come to its senses, the people can straighten themselves and then it will not seem to anyone!

    2. +1
      31 July 2013 07: 37
      Quote: Prapor Afonya
      if they are already breaking through our heads of cops, what next?

      And then further. If our police are afraid to fight back, why are we procrastinating on the topic of civilian weapons? In this, an example should be taken from America. Not with those idiots in New England, where every house has an arsenal, and students in schools are shot. And with real men - cowboys :) True, there are very few of them left :(. But all the same. Uzhi wrote once: he was in Arizona, there are a lot of ordinary people almost openly with revolvers (tradition) go. And although there are enough Mexicans , bandits, and the Chinese with blacks got through, but the crime rate is very low. I myself once observed a quarrel - like tough guys (office workers dressed for the weekend) quarreled something in a bar, each with a gun, and in a bar full of such, but they shouted and prudently calmed down, no one "came out" :), only we, the Russians present, were frightened, and they treated it as an ordinary thing. But if there is something serious, then they do not always have guns for show-off, to protect themselves or something else, weapons will be put into action simply AUTOMATICALLY, and everything is legal. I specifically questioned the county judge about this. So, they have - support for the protection of the people, so that they don't say bad things about the States, with excesses of course, but where without them, but with us everything is just the opposite. And all because, as I do not remember who said, our state is afraid of its own people and does not give up arms.
      Threat thought further: what comes out of democracy as in the United States, the state of the people is not afraid and therefore at the same time (well, at least of type) with the people, and if we have the other way around, then with us then what? Not socialism, not democracy, but - what, totalitarianism or something else?
  31. 0
    30 July 2013 10: 34
    The VTsIOM never publishes any material without looking at the Kremlin, and the Moscow police react to recent events extremely harshly, just the good old days of RUOPA and the mask of the show are recalled, it is likely that something began to reach our authorities.
    1. sergey261180
      +2
      30 July 2013 13: 00
      After the deputy was cleaned up, they realized that they could go into the Kremlin and give some to the snout.
  32. +6
    30 July 2013 10: 38
    Quote: maestro123
    Currently, migrants from neighboring countries are janitors, builders and handymen.
    As time passes, clans form and they will no longer work, but will look for ways to make easy money. Already now they are greyhound ...
    It is necessary to fundamentally change the rules for their stay on the territory of the Russian Federation, to build controlled dormitories in separate territories with temporary residence permits at the hostel with the help of migrants, followed by their departure to their homeland.

    There is no need for hostels, those who haven’t come yet to let them in, and those who are here as a stage to their homeland !!!
  33. +9
    30 July 2013 10: 40
    Kolokoltsev instructed to eliminate ethnic crime in Moscow as soon as possible

    Moscow. 30 July. INTERFAX.RU - The press center of the Ministry of Internal Affairs of the Russian Federation confirmed that the Minister of Internal Affairs of the Russian Federation Vladimir Kolokoltsev instructed the head of the capital’s chief, Anatoly Yakunin, to carry out a series of measures to combat crime in the Russian capital.

    The press center of the Ministry of Internal Affairs explained that the instructions of the minister apply not only to the capital markets; we are also talking about the fight against organized and ethnic crime, the suppression of the activities of "thieves in law".

    Large-scale events will not last two days, as the press writes, but a longer period of time.

    http://www.interfax.ru/moscow/news.asp?id=320921

    The question is, what prevented you from giving instructions earlier or had to wait for an emergency ?! winked
    1. SIT
      +10
      30 July 2013 11: 07
      Quote: Apollon
      The question is, what prevented you from giving instructions earlier, or did you have to wait for an emergency?

      There were no mayoral elections before. Now there is an election campaign and we need PR. After the election, everything will calm down and the blacks who have escaped will return, each bringing with them a dozen relatives.
    2. sergey261180
      +4
      30 July 2013 13: 01
      This is all a show for looking away. Fundamentally, nothing will change.
  34. ed65b
    +6
    30 July 2013 10: 43
    This friend is just the beginning. That's how, thanks to the government and personally the GDP, we’ll put together a customs union from the Kyrgyz and Tajiks, then we’ll see what resettlement is. and God forbid, Nazarbay will die, and he will not die; the terminator, because yes Karimych, then we will see the Kazakhs and the steppes and Uzbeks in full force. Borders on the castle, the visa regime in the toughest version. Maybe we will fight back.
    1. Warrawar
      0
      30 July 2013 16: 56
      Quote: ed65b
      This friend is just the beginning. That's how, thanks to the government and personally the GDP, we’ll put together a customs union from the Kyrgyz and Tajiks, then we’ll see what resettlement is. and God forbid, Nazarbay will die, and he will not die; the terminator, because yes Karimych, then we will see the Kazakhs and the steppes and Uzbeks in full force. Borders on the castle, the visa regime in the toughest version. Maybe we will fight back.

      And when this happens, Belarus will come out of the CU and join the EU, crossing and tearing.
  35. +6
    30 July 2013 10: 50
    №№№№ We have many territories where work is an endless land. New Earth, the island of New Siberia or Pillar - and under its own power…

    BUT I WOULD LIKE THEM IN MOSCOW ...
  36. +2
    30 July 2013 10: 52
    I wonder how many mosques have been built in Moscow recently, who allowed the construction and who gave the money?
    1. avt
      +2
      30 July 2013 11: 28
      Quote: treskoed
      I wonder how many mosques have been built in Moscow recently, who allowed the construction and who gave the money?

      Right here - Sobyanin refused to build mosques in every district.
  37. +9
    30 July 2013 11: 00
    Are migrant workers tired? The solution is obvious - legally guarantee payment to foreigners 1,5 - 2 times more than local. For violation - a huge fine for the work. This is only stupid at first glance, in practice it with a 100% guarantee will turn the domestic employer to face their own citizens, and foreigners will eliminate themselves for lack of prospects. Someone will say that this will push already arrived towards crime. Well, there will be a reason to deport.
    1. +4
      30 July 2013 11: 11
      Well, it is hardly possible to consider the Japanese as stupid people, but nevertheless, in Japan it is precisely such legislation regarding foreign workers that applies!
    2. +2
      30 July 2013 11: 37
      Quote: Фкенщь13
      The solution is obvious - legally guarantee foreigners payment in 1,5 - 2 times more than local.

      This will not work for us. Our greedy employer, and that’s not the point. This is beneficial for some, and if so, labor migration will be maintained at the highest level.
    3. essenger
      +6
      30 July 2013 13: 49
      Quote: Фкенщь13
      The solution is obvious - legally guarantee foreigners payment in 1,5 - 2 times more than local.

      Then migrants will quickly become "Russians". We must fight corruption first.
    4. avt
      0
      30 July 2013 17: 24
      Quote: Фкенщь13
      Are migrant workers tired? The solution is obvious - legislatively guarantee foreigners payment of 1,5 - 2 times more than local. For violation - a huge fine for the work. This is only stupid at first glance, in practice it with a 100% guarantee will turn the domestic employer to face their own citizens, and foreigners will eliminate themselves for lack of prospects. Someone will say that this will push already arrived towards crime. Well, there will be a reason to deport.

      Well, my friend! We do not have Japan, we can only appoint an emperor, to the extreme - the savior of the fatherland. laughing You still suggest how they have - to ban Islam by law as a harmful sect.
  38. soldier's grandson
    +8
    30 July 2013 11: 07
    Quote: Apollon
    Kolokoltsev instructed to eliminate ethnic crime in Moscow as soon as possible

    Moscow. 30 July. INTERFAX.RU - The press center of the Ministry of Internal Affairs of the Russian Federation confirmed that the Minister of Internal Affairs of the Russian Federation Vladimir Kolokoltsev instructed the head of the capital’s chief, Anatoly Yakunin, to carry out a series of measures to combat crime in the Russian capital.

    The press center of the Ministry of Internal Affairs explained that the instructions of the minister apply not only to the capital markets; we are also talking about the fight against organized and ethnic crime, the suppression of the activities of "thieves in law".

    Large-scale events will not last two days, as the press writes, but a longer period of time.

    http://www.interfax.ru/moscow/news.asp?id=320921

    The question is, what prevented you from giving instructions earlier or had to wait for an emergency ?! winked

    it should be noted that the sweep in the markets began after the cops were beaten up on the head, and not after the rape of the youngster occurred, but if sweeps were done for each crime, I think that the situation would be different
    1. sergey261180
      +1
      30 July 2013 13: 05
      mopping up in the markets began after the cop on the head was fucked up
      The cops are already beaten on the head, and the kipish started because it hit the television.
      1. Warrawar
        +1
        30 July 2013 16: 59
        Quote: sergey261180
        The cops are already beaten on the head, and the kipish started because it hit the television.

        We don’t have the police at all, but don’t understand what. Just a bunch. They are capable of chasing only juvenile hipster-white-bellies, but they cannot and do not want to deal with real criminals.
        1. +2
          30 July 2013 21: 17
          Quote: Warrawar
          We don’t have the police at all, but don’t understand what. Just a bunch. They are capable of chasing only juvenile hipster-white-bellies, but they cannot and do not want to deal with real criminals.

          Not that they could not. In Russia, everything depends on the instructions from the top. My father-in-law worked in the prosecutor's office in the 90s. They had information about all the criminal authorities, about theft, about the misappropriation of state property. Waiting only for the catch command. But it never followed.
  39. +11
    30 July 2013 11: 09
    But what about Tsar-Batyushko? Does the Tsar-Batyushka really know about the problem with migrants? Tsar-Batushka does not know that Serdyukov is a thief, or does not see that Medvedev is Medvedev, the Central Bank is well established in power and has no competitors , there are a lot of clowns, but is this an achievement when there is not a single worthy person around you? As long as the Central Bank in power does not change anything, everything will be the same. Migrants or Chechens will catch another Russian, well, they will conduct a raid, they will jail a couple and let them out on the sly, well, they will perform The Central Bank with a sad face with its condolences, will give another instruction "to deepen and expand" and that's it ... This has happened more than once and will be so many, many times. Although some still have illusions about the Central Bank and they sincerely believe that the Central Bank simply does not know or may not be able to solve the problem, but he cannot not know, because even the raccoon in the zoo knows about all these problems, and if you cannot, then what are you doing in the government? Go catch pike 20 kg, you have it seems to work well. It's absurd.
  40. tverskoi77
    +1
    30 July 2013 11: 19
    Interestingly, our president does not have enough political will? ... doesn’t look like him, it means he’s bought, and this is worse!
    1. MakSim51ru
      0
      31 July 2013 10: 11
      This is not the case. There are just 2 problems here, the first has already been voiced in the article, an excess of migrants. The second, oddly enough, is their shortage. Employers are directly interested in lowering costs by lowering wages, and this can only be done with migrants. And it would be foolish to blame employers for self-interest (especially since the main employer is our state). It’s just such a wrong side of competition. This is especially evident in the areas of construction, utilities, a number of other industries. On the other hand, their own citizens are often not satisfied with both the level of payment and working conditions. All this creates the prerequisites for uncontrolled migration. Moreover, migration is also a kind of trump card of our government. I will give you an example. A few years ago, the Russian government was very upset by NATO plans to deploy missile defense elements in Eastern Europe. And so, our delegation is going to the Celestial Empire for some third-rate negotiations. Yeah, and after a couple of days we are informed that an agreement has been reached to increase labor quotas for China. From a million to one and a half million people a year. Further, the Chinese are already moving their rods to Washington and, lo and behold, Nato abandons plans to deploy missiles in Poland and the Czech Republic.
      1. tverskoi77
        +3
        31 July 2013 11: 28
        I do not agree with you. In our case, migrants are not a substitute for a shortage of personnel, it is an extremely cheap labor force. Plus, no responsibility of the employer, we will not talk about social responsibility at all. On this basis, a wage system has been developed for a number of professions, where the level of salaries is reduced to disgrace and of course the indigenous population is not ready to go to work as a driver of a minibus rotten through with semi-fixed brakes with a work schedule of 14 hours a day with accommodation in the minibus itself.
        As a result, migrant workers are practically slaves held hostage by employers, and if a slave breaks loose or is kicked out, he has no choice but to commit a crime. And our children walk the streets, the children of employers walk the streets of completely different cities.
        It is difficult to blame the employer for such an attitude towards migrants. for him it’s just a business and an opportunity to get superprofits. As the drunk driver who brought down the pedestrian is not guilty if in traffic regulations he is not forbidden to drink while driving.
        I am inclined that after all I bought power with giblets and everything will end like in the 17th year.
        And flaunting quotas for solving foreign policy goals reminds me of criminal orders when the lives of soldiers are worthless. In this case, the soldiers are us.
        1. MakSim51ru
          +2
          31 July 2013 14: 17
          And no one speaks of a lack of personnel. The staff is full and labor migrants find themselves in the role of strikebreakers. As for the examples with minibuses, in most cases (at least in my city) cars are quite expensive Fords and Peugeots, and the drivers are the same that drove on crumbling gazelles.
          As for their slavish position, then I don’t agree with you the same. I constantly encounter migrants in Svyaznoy stores, where they transfer money to their homeland. And I’ll tell you, the amounts are not so small. On average, 30 kilograms of rubles, but sometimes it reaches 40, and in some cases more.
          1. tverskoi77
            +2
            2 August 2013 11: 16
            That is, according to your reasoning, everything is basically normal. Emigrants are strikebreakers, such a natural labor process is underway. No consequences for us and our children. Criminal statistics are also quite normal.? !!!
            There are facts ... it’s enough for any person to go out and look around. Everything else is words, words, words. By the way, I did not find the word strikebreaker in the Russian language.
            You do not protect the power, you protect the Fatherland!
  41. soldier's grandson
    +3
    30 July 2013 11: 39
    migrant workers should be in camps and not rent housing, that is, they should be isolated from the local population
    1. +2
      30 July 2013 12: 12
      where do you order? to Buchenwald or to Auschwitz?))))
      1. +2
        30 July 2013 14: 51
        Quote: lonely
        where do you order? to Buchenwald or to Auschwitz?))))

        Why are such extremes! Just to the historical homeland!
      2. soldier's grandson
        +5
        30 July 2013 15: 28
        Well, do not like any of the options, let them not come, we do not call them to ourselves
    2. +1
      30 July 2013 12: 33
      Yeah, and also put the guards and barbed wire. Build towers and call Auschwitz.
      And the fact that many are citizens of the Russian Federation from other regions - nobody cares? It can simply prohibit speculation (destroy ALL intermediaries), place the head offices of companies in the regions where they conduct their main activities, and not in Moscow, transfer the capital's functions from "Moscow trading" to the center of the country, abolish the concept of "average salary", and etc. Including the conquest, again, of Central Asia and the restoration of agriculture and mining industries there.
      The only problem is who will do this? You won’t earn ratings on this, dough, perhaps, too
    3. Warrawar
      +1
      30 July 2013 17: 00
      Quote: Soldier's grandson
      migrant workers should be in camps and not rent housing, that is, they should be isolated from the local population

      If they had "removed" it, there would have been several times less of them, since this pleasure costs money. And they just live in basements and in houses that are being demolished. Look at this topic information on the net.
  42. makdy
    +1
    30 July 2013 11: 54
    And how does the work of the authorities correlate with the total Orthodoxism of officials and the president?
    Where is the care of the shepherds for the life of God's servants?
    1. MakSim51ru
      +2
      31 July 2013 16: 47
      How is it correlated? Yes, simple. So far they are suppressing sins in Orthodox churches ... But I do not exclude that in 5 years they will do this already in mosques or Buddhist temples
  43. SvetoRus
    +3
    30 July 2013 12: 16
    Fighting illegal migration and ethnic crime in Russia, using police raids or organizing camps for them like the Australian ones, is like trying to treat bilateral pneumonia by lowering the temperature by applying cold compresses, but without the use of antibiotics. The roots of this problem lie , in the ideology of the individual consumer consumer imposed on us, who lives one day, the success of which is measured by the amount of money and the possibility of their demonstration. From here, a lot comes from the cult of loving love that we don’t like.
  44. +7
    30 July 2013 12: 28
    we must fight like ours! as soon as the Chinese came to us in a crowd and began to create mafia groups, our migration services and the police, they kicked them out of the state in an instant. But what should you do with those who gravitate toward crime and lawlessness? Do you want to work? respect the law and local orders, do not want to ,then piss off
    1. ed65b
      +1
      30 July 2013 14: 01
      Speak lonely right hi
      1. 0
        30 July 2013 15: 02
        because and alone that I say right)) wink
  45. +5
    30 July 2013 12: 31
    and more. system corruption. that’s where the problem is. many of them already have Russian passports obtained in an obviously illegal way. But they will not be deported already. And these are the ones who gravitate towards crime. an illegal immigrant would stick his head somewhere so as not to light up, and that’s already on the drum. passport in his pocket
  46. Egor.nic
    +1
    30 July 2013 12: 37
    Article in the top ten !!!
  47. +2
    30 July 2013 12: 38
    Regarding the shmona of Moscow markets: market leaders and tent owners need to be shuffled. They rent this out and hire someone unclear. Sellers, except for the lack of registration, are not to blame.
    1. soldier's grandson
      +5
      30 July 2013 15: 34
      innocent sellers rushed to protect the pedophile, and so they are not at all to blame
    2. Warrawar
      +2
      30 July 2013 17: 05
      Quote: Vasya
      Regarding the shmona of Moscow markets: market leaders and tent owners need to be shuffled. They rent this out and hire someone unclear. Sellers, except for the lack of registration, are not to blame.

      It is not necessary to hunt specifically for some category, for example, owners and managers or illegal immigrants themselves, but generally conduct a massive operation concerning all categories of violators. And not to engage in "selective" justice, because this is not justice but a trial, for the amusement of the public.
      And all the guilty here and those who are lucky and those who are being driven and those who cover it all.
  48. bilgesez
    +6
    30 July 2013 12: 42
    For this power, the main enemy is the Russian people, and migrant workers, in which case they will defend this power, therefore, they have a lenient attitude, and the Russians take the most stringent measures. We are enemies for this power, and they are friends, so nothing will change.
  49. +5
    30 July 2013 12: 57
    Quote: andreitk20
    With such an immigrant policy, we will wait for unrest as in Paris, after which the officials will make round eyes as if the first time they knew about them and we will begin to disentangle this mess.


    Do not start. We will discuss this for a long time at all levels of government and on TV, in forums, and to make beautiful and smart statements. And then forget it until the next unrest. Authority understands only cohesion and determination.
  50. +1
    30 July 2013 13: 30
    Quote: Tersky
    I begin to guess who else they need to soak so that this chaos stops. wink

    No, they won’t wet someone’s campaign. Offended - will remain without subsidies, but it is not profitable for them ... winked
  51. +7
    30 July 2013 13: 34
    And there is something to be afraid of!

    http://sputnikipogrom.com/politics/3651/4_for_marjanov/

    Four of them killed paratrooper Marzhanov: Chechen teenager split
    Politics, Russia / July 25, 2013

    Everyone knows what happened in the city of Pugachev: a Chechen teenager, a boy, almost stupidly cut a hefty Russian-Tatar paratrooper. The boy's relatives, pressing the paratrooper's wounds with their hands, took him to the hospital. But the poor paratrooper still died in the arms of inconsolable Chechens - after which they beat the teenage killer and approximately handed him over to the police. How did the Russians respond to this act of humanism, kindness and national responsibility?
    They started a riot! The unleashed Russian-fascist beast, completely not appreciating the handing over of the erring child, spat in the soul of the Chechen humanist people and demanded their eviction! However, what else can you expect from a nation that even drove Hitler to suicide...
    So? Not really.
    Today, the detained 16-year-old Ali Nazirov changed his testimony and stated that his cousins ​​participated in the murder: Ruslan Khaidaev (28 years old), Khamzat Khaidaev (25 years old) and Khidir Khadayev (21 years old). Khidir and Khamzat held the murdered Ruslan Marzhanov (20 years old) while the elder Ruslan dealt blow after blow - after which they blamed the murder on the minor Ali Nazirov, knowing full well that he would be given a minimum sentence due to his age.

    Considering the excellent physical shape and training of Ruslan Marzhanov (he had just retired from the Airborne Forces), his murder - and a murder with many blows - by a 16-year-old teenager looked strange from the very beginning. But if we add three more hefty Chechen men to the teenager, the picture begins to take shape... And even the strange scalpel looks logical - the Khaidaevs did not want to kill Marzhanov right away, they cut him slowly, swaggering, enjoying his pain and helplessness. After which they grabbed a small kid who came to hand, beat him (all reports noted that Ali was brought in beaten - the Chechens presented this as righteous anger, although it is now obvious that they were intimidating Ali in this way) and forced him to take the blame upon himself.
    But they miscalculated - Ali could not withstand the pressure and split. And along with it, the purely Caucasian lie about “one bad man”, whom law-abiding cousins ​​handed over to the police with indignation and disgust, also split. And the Russian-fascist beast, it turns out, CORRECTLY demanded justice, while the liberal press told us about the noble mountaineers who handed over the murderer to the police. Deception (Marzhanov was called to “talk like a man”), mockery of a defenseless victim, sadism, another deception, covering up tracks and naive, purely mountain lies to Svetlana Reuters, which enthusiastically reprints the words of the secret killers - now everything comes together. Just like the most acute reaction of the Pugachevites to the seemingly a teenage fight - which was not a fight, but a group, cold-blooded, sadistic murder.
    1. +2
      30 July 2013 20: 15
      and now let’s say: crime has no nationality....
    2. +1
      31 July 2013 12: 45
      And not only in Moscow or Pugachev!

      http://forum.top.rbc.ru/index.php?s=d6bbaa5e8158154e238b7f26e9ff9c42&showtopic=9
      086207&st=20

      July 23, 2013 on Stroiteley Ave. In the city of Ivanovo, while on duty, traffic police officer Evgeniy Kharaneko was severely beaten.

      According to official information, the suspect in the beating was detained, was in a pre-trial detention center, but was then released on his own recognizance. This is the son of regional Duma deputy Telman Feroyan, Mamo. Moreover, according to the speaker of the regional parliament Sergei Pakhomov on Twitter, his family brought the suspect to the police. But it is reliably known that Mamo Feroyan was detained with the participation of riot police.
      Mr. Feroyan is trying to justify the actions of his son. It’s understandable, elections are just around the corner.
      According to investigators, Mamo Feroyan hit the traffic police inspector in the face several times, causing him to fall on the asphalt and suffer a fracture of the temporal bone. There is clearly a distortion of the facts of what happened, which are beneficial for the detainee because If the investigation goes the wrong way, the suspect will receive a minimum sentence or even get off with a suspended sentence. Here is an eyewitness account: “Today at about 16.30 - 17.00 in the city of Ivanovo on Stroiteley Avenue at 27 there was a cynical attack on a traffic police inspector, who, while on duty, made a remark to a group of young people (about 8 people), of Caucasian nationality, who had parked vehicles on the road parts and interfered with the movement of other vehicles. There were Mercedes Benz E-Class (W212 restyled 2013) and Toyota Highlander cars with license plate number 404. Both cars were white. The rooms in Ivanovo are quite famous. To the remark of the traffic police inspector, young people (Caucasian nationality) reacted with a blow to the head with a bat, after which they kicked him and dragged him to the side of the road. After which they tore the video recorder from the traffic police patrol car and tried to escape. At the same time, some of them ran to take away mobile phones from passers-by who were trying to capture this incident on camera.”
      At the moment, the traffic police officer is still in serious condition. An operation was performed.
      On July 24, a group of Ivanovo residents gathered near the Tekstilshchik stadium to sign a collective letter of appeal to the regional leadership demanding that those responsible for the beating of a traffic police officer be punished. The coordinators were detained by riot police while collecting signatures. One cannot count on fairness and honesty during the investigation of a case of beating a traffic police officer.
      Let us remind you that this case is not the first. There are many videos where you can see how T. Feroyan’s sons (there are four of them) drive around the city at unimaginable speeds, causing accidents, and beating people in clubs. And they always come out of the water clean.
      All Ivanovo residents consider beating a police officer in the performance of their direct duties to be a crime of special gravity, which violates all the foundations of statehood, and demand that all participants in the crime, despite their nationality and social affiliation, suffer severe punishment.
      1. +3
        31 July 2013 12: 58
        There is a joke among Ivanovo residents (through tears):
        Previously: Ivanovo is a city of weavers.
        Now: Ivanovo is a city of Khachis.
  52. 12345
    +5
    30 July 2013 13: 36
    The Russian people are a force of nature...

    It’s always like this with us: sometimes hibernation, sometimes fever...

    But, here, they will “get you” and “not in a childish way”, for the most part, the migrants are most likely the most harmless...

    The “hand of the law” must be iron, and in order for it not to rust, we need an institution, pardon me, of collective snitching. Bo, you can’t assign a policeman to everyone, but, nevertheless, there are always more than enough eyes around.

    In the era of the total Internet, this is not difficult. All anonymous messages are processed only by a robot, cutting off the possibility of a third-party organized attack through a complex check of IP addresses, proxies, etc.
    As soon as certain statistics are collected on a certain issue, measures are taken immediately. And so that those who must take action do not hesitate - these statistics are simultaneously distributed across several services supervising each other, with mandatory additional ones. checks.

    A case from one's life. In those distant, now epic, times, when the Internet was a novelty even in the West, my friend happened to be traveling around Europe. I would like to draw your attention to the lack of street surveillance cameras: there was simply nothing to connect them to then. And they were prohibitively expensive back then. And they were the size of a microwave.
    And, driving through a deserted sleepy town at five in the morning (!), my friend, taking advantage of the total absence of cars, passersby and police on the road, “slightly exceeded” the speed limit.

    20 kilometers (!), after the town, when he was driving along the highway without violating anything, he was stopped by a local traffic cop who suddenly woke up and fined him for violating the speed limit... in a populated area. In that same town.

    Conclusion: someone (at five in the morning!) saw, called and measures were immediately taken.

    As you can see, everything is simply indecent.
    However, in our country, “God’s chosen ones” immediately begin to shout about “the new year of ’37.”
    For some, it is extremely beneficial to “fish in troubled waters.” Symptomatic, isn't it?
  53. +5
    30 July 2013 13: 43
    Social, economic and domestic issues became the cause of interethnic conflict in Pugachev. This was stated on Tuesday by the First Deputy Prosecutor General of Russia Alexander Emmanuilovich Buksman.

    What the hell are everyday reasons!? The authorities are ready to talk any nonsense, just so as not to officially recognize the existence of tough interethnic confrontation and growing interethnic tension and conflicts throughout the country!

    The occupation administration is fully patronizing the Islamization of Russia and secretly encouraging persecution of representatives of the titular nation.
  54. +3
    30 July 2013 14: 01
    The topic of migrants has been raised on this site five or seven times, so what? Nothing! Have you read all the comments and what did you read? The same thing that was written, including by me, many times in previous comments. Nothing will change until corruption in Russia is brought to a minimum and when everyone is equal before the law. This is the main evil. It all comes down to money. Until the cop's head was broken (and this means that the blacks were crazy to the extreme), the local police department did not receive any complaints about this market - that's why the churks' sense of self-preservation was dulled. However, no one reads our comments except ourselves.
  55. +1
    30 July 2013 14: 02
    traders in tents, builders at construction sites! The problem was created by the government itself, laws are adopted taking into account how to fill your pockets! there was a law prohibiting non-citizens of Russia from working as sellers. It was passed unanimously. Go check how many non-citizens of Russia received Russian passports for bribes after that. Now they are sitting there and selling! did this change anything? No. No matter how many raids there are, it won’t lead to anything. They’ll just fill their pockets and that’s it.
    1. +2
      30 July 2013 14: 42
      Will we be saved only by total genocide of the non-Slavic population on the territory of the Russian Federation? Or public executions of corrupt officials, and so that you can bring your children and show them, look, he’s a thief, now a fair punishment awaits him, what options do you see?
      1. +4
        30 July 2013 15: 07
        none!! they'll put him in jail and that's it!! The problem is that if the law works as a law, such cases will no longer happen. You saw that when he hit the captain, he was held by two cops. How could he then hide? That’s where the problem begins. And I’ll also point out a fact. when skinheads attack markets and organize pogroms, it is mostly the innocent who suffer. The guilty will not wait until they come to kill them. The security forces are obligated to prevent this. The LAW must work in the country. only the LAW.
  56. +1
    30 July 2013 14: 12
    Well, the Australian experience would not hurt us. But there is no one to implement this experience, and there are places for accommodation beyond the Urals. For now, migrants go wherever they want. But they mainly want to go to Moscow and St. Petersburg.
  57. +3
    30 July 2013 14: 15
    The author did not take into account one small but very important detail - Australia has no land borders, and drowning a boat is easier than burying a corpse. A corpse can lie in the ground for more than ten years, in water for a maximum of a year. And who will look for them? Well, she drowned, well, there’s a storm, well, there’s a holey trough, and we’re not in the business (Border guards from Vladik and Murmansk take note ;) although I’m teaching you).
    I would like to point out one more thing that exists in another country called Thailand. 51/49. Any company should have 3 locals per foreigner, plus for each foreigner the company pays more tax than for a local. This is the concept, and even the UN won’t make a sound here because state interests are being protected and it seems that others’ interests are not being infringed upon.
    I respect Australia for something else. “We have a free and democratic country. You can come, but you must respect and accept our laws. If you don’t like something, you have the free right to fuck... leave here.” (c) Prime Minister of Australia.
    One of the basic principles in the world should be “Don’t teach someone else how to live when you are his guest.” If everyone lived by this principle, the world would be without any wars. But for some reason they come and try to impose their own rules on guests, and they get offended when they do the same.
    1. +4
      30 July 2013 15: 26
      Quote: ShadowCat
      for one foreigner there are 3 local ones, plus for each foreigner the company pays more tax than for a local one.


      The thing is that no one pays tax for anyone. Migrants are illegal, they dump on the labor market, including the fact that they do not need to pay social contributions and taxes, on the one hand, and on the other, that the employer appropriates half of the salary, in this case the workplace is official and taxes are paid.
      1. 0
        31 July 2013 00: 46
        Then it's a job for the police.
  58. +2
    30 July 2013 14: 16
    The author made an interesting proposal. organize a camp. similar in Guinea, on Novaya Zemlya.
    Many people know that Novaya Zemlya was one of the main nuclear test sites of the USSR. I can imagine the squeal the “human rights activists” will raise in this case))).
    But to be honest, the idea is great for several reasons:
    1) in such a camp it is much easier to control the activities of the same emigrants, since the territory will be limited by artificially created boundaries.
    2) in such camps, before obtaining permanent residence, you can conduct short lessons on the culture of our country, the Russian language - as part of our culture. Depending on their skills, distribute people on site according to the scope of their activities.
    3) significantly reduce drug trafficking. It is known that drug trafficking channels also pass through emigration channels (some “Comrade Abdul” with 20 kg of heroin in his rectum).
    This also solves the right field issue. As you know, the rights of our country extend to the citizens of our country. There is no need to confuse this with emigrants, because... the responsibilities attached to the rights are clearly not fulfilled.
    The idea is sound, but it runs into corruption. But the statistics show one thing: the original society of Russia expresses its discontent, but what will happen when it all turns into aggression???
    It’s like there’s a joke on this topic:
    Two Turks are traveling on public transport in Germany. one says to the other:
    “we are already more than 3 million people, soon Germany will be ours”
    An old woman stands near them, hearing this monologue, she replies:
    “Once upon a time there were many Jews in Germany, but everyone knows how it ended for them!”
    1. +3
      30 July 2013 14: 39
      Let me add a couple more to your three points.
      The mechanism of the intermediate camp is also good because it will allow you to control and distribute labor resources to where they are absolutely needed, and not where they themselves want. So,
      4) After undergoing verification, initial training and adaptation, guest workers will receive a residence permit and a referral to work. Or rather, they will be offered the right to choose from a list of jobs. The list of jobs will be formed on the basis of applications from government services or private businesses. A migrant has no right to leave his chosen place of work.
      5) The use of a mechanism for distribution to places of work will allow strict control not only of migrants, but also of their employers. Declared the need for 100 workers - get them. And the tax authorities already know how many foreigners will work for you and what taxes you must pay for them. And you won't get away with it!
      1. +2
        30 July 2013 15: 15
        If migrant workers violate the laws, the first duty is to bring the employer to justice. The FMS, the Ministry of Internal Affairs and the tax service should work closely together. An employer whose employer has been heavily fined will already know what to do; in principle, he will have two options
        1) refuse the services of visitors
        2) or by hiring such people, he will thoroughly shock them about laws and local customs
  59. EdwardTich68
    +1
    30 July 2013 14: 55
    I’m proud of the police, what well-mannered people, what self-sacrifice. But I’m also proud of being a Dagestani, what a kind man, he could have broken all their heads, but he didn’t. laughing
    1. +1
      30 July 2013 15: 17
      Well, yes!! your citizens! We should be proud of our citizens!! but sometimes don’t forget to hit those who are impudent on the head)))))
      1. EdwardTich68
        +2
        30 July 2013 15: 27
        The police had no way out, the “reality” project thanks to which we saw all this
        created in Poland, in this situation they were absolutely right. If they had started shooting savages in the limbs, today we would not have injured policemen, but racist policemen, and the howling in the Western media would not have subsided for a month. And so everyone saw the wild mug of the Caucasus once again, and as you know, “water wears away stones” wassat
    2. Malleus
      +1
      30 July 2013 15: 28
      Should I join?
      After all, really - respect and respect for Mage, they nag:
      my wife said - hooligans with pistols; and Maga tafai the bully (with a pistol) to hit him in the face.
      1. +3
        30 July 2013 15: 51
        The magician and his wife should be enlisted in the alpha special forces. the two of them could have killed everyone there)))))) it was just a camera
  60. RUkola
    0
    30 July 2013 15: 28
    Quote: Malleus
    Well, already you and I are aliens.

    Well, you have to be honest after all. This is a faculty for foreigners
  61. Donkeykong
    +9
    30 July 2013 16: 09
    And I live in the Moscow region, but I get the impression that it’s somewhere in Central Asia - you leave the house and there are only black-assed people around. Not to mention the outskirts of Moscow - there are no Russians there...
  62. Molotov
    0
    30 July 2013 16: 21
    in essence, there is only one problem... this is submission to the laws and representatives of the authorities (Police), which is far from perfect... there will be a tough (within the law) police, honest, problems and crime among compatriots and migrants will disappear by themselves, because there will be over the hill they still know - if you stole - they will punish you and you'll pay them off... killed - to Siberia in camps for logging or mines... put maniacs in cars and use them for crash tests...)
  63. +4
    30 July 2013 16: 29
    And here’s another interesting twist. On the trains of the Moscow region, guards (a security agency) have appeared who travel with migrant controllers. The next step is migrant controllers and we will pay for the passage of their fellow countrymen, and God forbid there is a scandal with the controllers, then immediately for a knife, these are not Russians who will send each other and go their separate ways. Somehow I’ll take a photo and post the guys from the security agency.
    1. +1
      30 July 2013 17: 27
      Quote: mhpv

      I'll send the guys from the security agency.

      It’s better not to, they’ll shine, let them do their job.
  64. Yankuz
    +8
    30 July 2013 16: 38
    These are alien people to us! And they don't belong here! We stayed a little, did some work (legally!) and let them go home! For them, the concept of “critical mass” is absolutely appropriate - as soon as it crosses the threshold, they begin to become impudent and establish their own customs in a foreign country. Let them not interfere with their own rules in someone else’s Monastery! An old proverb, but a wise one!!!
  65. EdwardTich68
    +3
    30 July 2013 17: 09
    In June I saw one kind Russian woman of about 50 who was followed by a herd of Central Asians, she was filling out documents for them at the Federal Migration Service, apparently this is her business, now I’m thinking: she absolutely doesn’t care about everything except the money received from them, and in public she’s probably also indignant dominance of migrants No.
    1. Warrawar
      +2
      30 July 2013 17: 17
      Quote: EdwardTich68
      In June I saw one kind Russian woman of about 50 who was followed by a herd of Central Asians, she was filling out documents for them at the Federal Migration Service, apparently this is her business, now I’m thinking: she absolutely doesn’t care about everything except the money received from them, and in public she’s probably also indignant dominance of migrants No.

      It is very doubtful that this lady is doing this alone; most likely she is a simple transaction clerk in the FMS department, and above her sits a bunch of bosses who started this whole mess.
  66. Warrawar
    +1
    30 July 2013 17: 26
    Here is the latest news about “guests” from Central Asia, albeit from Ukraine:
    In Crimea, they were going to make samsa from a pensioner killed in a drunken quarrel
    In Sevastopol, the police solved the murder of a pensioner - a former architect. Law enforcement agencies say that he became a victim of foreigners who came to work.
    During the search, investigators found the body of a man: the attackers killed and buried him in the garden. Multiple stab wounds were found on the victim's body. It is reported that he rented a house on a summer cottage.
    Later it became known that one day the victim drank alcohol with a 20-year-old samosa manufacturer. A quarrel began between the men, and the guy grabbed a knife. He killed a pensioner, and to hide the body, he invited two more of his compatriots.
    Soon, the police established that in the same summer cottage where the deceased lived, several citizens of a foreign country were making tandoor samsa (a type of meat pies), reports the Ukrainian Internet portal Segodnya.ua.
    http://www.vesti.ru/doc.html?id=1111880
    Just imagine who we are dealing with....
    1. grafrozow
      +1
      30 July 2013 19: 29
      Quote: Warrawar
      In Crimea, they were going to make samsa from a pensioner killed in a drunken quarrel

      We are already accustomed to samsa made from dog meat, now oriental cuisine delights us with new recipes.
  67. +6
    30 July 2013 18: 17
    It seems that they all moved to RUSSIA with their families. And there are none of them left in their homeland. Here in SIBERIA you walk through our land and think, am I there or at home, all salam-salaam and hijabs.
    1. +4
      30 July 2013 21: 56
      - there are only old people left, but the same feeling is being created, only in Moscow. And the latest case of attack with a fractured skull? Such scumbags should be isolated forever and all their relatives banned from entering the country...
      1. grafrozow
        +2
        30 July 2013 23: 45
        Quote: klavyr
        . And the latest case of attack with a fractured skull? Such scumbags should be isolated forever and all their relatives banned from entering the country...

        So who was broken? So they started moving, compare with Pugachev - the scenarios are similar but the actions of the authorities are different. This captain after the hospital will probably love LKN even more strongly. God grant him health and a speedy return to service.
      2. 0
        31 July 2013 12: 19
        How can he be banned from entering the country? He is a resident of Dagestan. Dagestan is part of the Russian Federation. Or have you already separated Dagestan from the Russian Federation?
  68. +5
    30 July 2013 18: 27
    It has long been known that Russia has failed its migration policy, the FMS must be disbanded, these functions must be returned to the Ministry of Internal Affairs again. Everywhere only force is respected, and the FMS only hands out passports left and right
    1. soldier's grandson
      +1
      30 July 2013 19: 10
      all functions are failed, there is chaos everywhere
  69. +2
    30 July 2013 18: 32
    Quote: bubla5
    It has long been known that Russia has failed its migration policy, the FMS must be disbanded, these functions must be returned to the Ministry of Internal Affairs again. Everywhere only force is respected, and the FMS only hands out passports left and right

    Absolutely agree good
  70. Fedych
    -1
    30 July 2013 18: 47
    I clearly think that neither the Russians nor the Russians are afraid of anything or anyone and should not! - even die and appear before the Lord. And then it turns out some kind of schizophrenic senile pumping up of the scarecrow from the Internet and the empty pumping of all these moronic sites and their applications like - The whole world, the USA, Europe, and now Russia is afraid of this type of weapon, this and that, which has completely overwhelmed, especially - Internet pages cheap for the crowd. And therefore! Let us once and for all and unambiguously clarify and avoid all these lousy words, statements, sighs and calls for appeals. This is an obvious and very specific targeted campaign to debilitate freaks with the desire to make others like them! We are NOT afraid! - but we can simply not desire, not want, to understand what is there, how, why and why and for - What! .Sick of all these horror stories from the demonic-bitch devilry. As A. Raikin once said to calls about his illness from non-friends: ..you won’t wait! - we, as Orthodox Christians, have lived, live and will live forever, both on Earth, and before the Lord, and in eternity, before Him , with him. How long can you impose schizoidism on Russia, on Russians and in Russian? - choke yourself, of all stripes and circumstance. There are whole slutty pages with forced snotty and omitted sexual components, like WOW. Moreover, on the pages of respected sites and references. WHY, this damned FSB, being able to find a louse for the enemy in a haystack, tolerates this obvious corruption and debasement of its Russian-Russian people. What is there? - Everyone is certainly waiting for an order from the Kremlin’s ageless king and nothing more. It turns out that there was a kingdom of the crowd, fear and herd, and so it continues, or whatever it is. Uncle Vova, in words, seems to be not one of the timid. So is it really possible that in all of Russia there is not even one talented, consistent and fearless student and follower of his? YOU are endless screamers and squeakers over little things and little things, cleanse yourself of your snot and wipe them from your eyes and ears - grow up and act like men, and not always howling cowardly, old grandmothers of the witch family.
  71. +1
    30 July 2013 18: 48
    Moreover, in the 90s, the so-called local Slavic groups were destroyed and transplanted without exception in all cities, so the balance of power was upset
  72. 0
    30 July 2013 19: 01
    Quote: bubla5
    Moreover, in the 90s, the so-called local Slavic groups were destroyed and transplanted without exception in all cities, so the balance of power was upset

    Well, here I would add something. But I’ll just say I agree drinks By the way, they (in Central Asia) have similar things happening and the authorities pretend not to notice.
  73. +1
    30 July 2013 19: 01
    A strong article, although not big. The author is great
  74. +2
    30 July 2013 19: 02
    One, looking at the essence and results of the survey, will say: they surveyed the wrong people, the wrong people, and in the wrong place.

    So both there and the percentage should be higher...everyone is against migrants...at least in my circle of friends...well, not our kids, not ours...they would go brotherly to Turkey or Saudi Arabia to join their brothers. ..we have enough janitors and crime involving immigrants
  75. 0
    30 July 2013 20: 24
    Rulers in Russia and Australia, as in the joke:
    "I'm exchanging a well-repaired iron for a doctor of sciences"!
  76. +1
    30 July 2013 20: 24
    ) the laws of Russia must operate in full force on the territory of Russia. other options will not solve the problem
    1. 0
      30 July 2013 20: 35
      Quote: lonely
      . other options will not solve the problem

      Why? The people’s militia and squads are also a way out! These guys will wait, “don’t wake up the trouble while it’s quiet”!
      1. 0
        31 July 2013 12: 13
        Dear, well, this will already smack of civil war. Do you think the militia will ask a person for a passport before punching him in the face for a specific offense? No, and again no. the rule of law and non-corrupt officials are the solution to this problem
  77. +3
    30 July 2013 20: 28
    and on my own behalf I would like to add the following. I live and work at my place. I'm not going anywhere. I’ve been to Russia twice. The last time was just recently when I stayed with a Russian friend for a week. I wish all people to live in peace in kindness and preferably in their homeland, so that later they don’t look at you so askance!!))))))
    1. soldier's grandson
      0
      30 July 2013 20: 33
      and don't hit me in the head
      1. +2
        30 July 2013 21: 16
        Well, that goes without saying! if you behave normally, you won’t get hit in the head anyway))
    2. Yankuz
      +1
      30 July 2013 23: 41
      That's it - we need to raise our homeland! And when visiting, you just need to behave like a human being, with respect for the hosts. This concerns everyone, and Russians are no exception.
  78. +1
    30 July 2013 20: 36
    Quote: darksoul
    One, looking at the essence and results of the survey, will say: they surveyed the wrong people, the wrong people, and in the wrong place.

    So both there and the percentage should be higher...everyone is against migrants...at least in my circle of friends...well, not our kids, not ours...they would go brotherly to Turkey or Saudi Arabia to join their brothers. ..we have enough janitors and crime involving immigrants

    You are talking in your circle.... And in ours too. hi Although they are not all like that. Those who come to us are those who have to herd lambs there. And many of the literate ones who studied in Russian schools live there, they only come here to visit. And these literate comrades, these compatriots, fellow countrymen, Dastarbeiters
    not digested.
    1. +1
      30 July 2013 21: 40
      These “literate” people can’t stomach Russians even more.
  79. +1
    30 July 2013 20: 49
    And although the UN has already scolded the Australians for this approach, this did not lead to fundamental changes.

    This is an approach to solving the problem, otherwise we don’t know who to listen to the OSCE or human rights activists, but the problem is still there!!!
  80. +2
    30 July 2013 20: 50
    We don’t need any migrants, we need to employ our unemployed, and let our smaller brothers stomp off to their stinking quasi-states
    1. -1
      30 July 2013 21: 38
      In large cities, the unemployment rate is low. There are no labor reserves there. And whoever does not see this has simply fallen from another planet and does not know Russian realities.
      Unemployment exists in small towns with a population of 5 to 50 thousand. But migrants don’t go there. Maybe criminals, but not migrant workers. There is no demand for migrant workers there.
      But the high cost of housing does not allow the use of labor from small Russian cities in large cities. Some unemployed person from the outback would go to Moscow to work, but where to live there?
      The reality is just like that. Personally, these jumshuds have long been in my throat. But in large cities there is no one to replace them. Stop inventing fairy tales about the huge number of Russian unemployed. There aren't that many of them. And not all of them are ready for any job.
      That's how it goes.
      1. +2
        31 July 2013 07: 43
        Yes, that's not true. There are plenty of Russian unemployed in large cities. Just go to any employment center and look up the lists of those registered. And these are only those who are officially recognized as unemployed. it is clear that in Moscow, for example, there may be no special problems with earnings, but there is also a high turnover of personnel
        1. +1
          31 July 2013 14: 47
          What are you saying ????
          Are there enough Russian unemployed in big cities?
          Where did you see them, dear? You probably dreamed about them?
          I am familiar with this problem firsthand. The employer himself. And I crossed paths with employment centers. Guess you'll find someone to work with. Not everyone wants to work, for example, as a driver. Or learn to be a tractor driver or forklift driver. Give everyone an office job. But even these are few.
          As for the official unemployment data in large cities, here they are:
          St. Petersburg - 1,14%
          Kazan - 0,85%
          Moscow - 0,81%.
          Ekaterinburg - 0,64%
          Samara - 0,53%.
          Novosibirsk - 0,51%.
          Nizhny Novgorod - 0,51%.
          And so on. In almost all major In cities, less than 1% of the working population is looking for work. The average level in Russia is about 5%. So don't tell me tales. Unemployment in large cities of Russia is scanty. You can downvote me as much as you like, but it’s true.
          1. +1
            31 July 2013 16: 40
            that's it, it hurts official data
            1. sams
              0
              1 August 2013 09: 25
              alone
              “that’s just it, official data hurts”


              A friend of mine told me how, having found himself in a difficult life situation, a couple of years ago, he was forced to apply to the “labor exchange”.
              So no one there was going to assign him the status of unemployed to receive cash unemployment benefits, although all the necessary procedures were completed and the period of 10 days established by the registration rules passed.
              In response to a friend’s fair comments that on the information stand there is an extract from the law on the procedure for assigning unemployed status, according to which it is required to register, the labor exchange employee directly, in plain text, stated: “We will never give you unemployed status and will do it using legal methods. I will write out directions for such work and for such money, where no one in their right mind would go. There are a lot of you here, but we need to present the correct statistics to the top. Go ahead.” Better yet, read the job board."
              Then, he says, he came home, and there the governor reported to Putin on TV that the unemployment rate in the region had dropped to a minimum level.
              And at the stand, as it turned out, there were entirely fake vacancies, or vacancies from the “masters of life”, for whom, for various reasons, a normal person cannot stand more than 2 months, or they work completely out of desperation, and are constantly needed there.
              The case took place in the city of Liski, Voronezh region.
              1. +1
                1 August 2013 10: 01
                Quote: sams
                The case took place in the city of Liski, Voronezh region.


                Well, why go far - to the outback :) In our regional center of Kemerovo - I myself had to work at the employment center several times in my life, starting with the banking crisis of 98. I also had to work in the regional administration, incl. concern the problems of unemployment. So, the official status of unemployed, which is one thing in statistics. And the % of the working-age population who does not have a job is another matter. The difference reached 8-10 times, but that was during the crisis, now it’s probably less. The third figure is the % of the working population looking for work :) In general, comrade. Sour is right somewhere, the unemployment rate ranges from 5 to 7% in our area.
                And this is even good, because... in Spain and Tunisia - 20%. But they count exactly % of the able-bodied person, and while in our country only every fifth or sixth person is registered, for them this figure in some places... or people... may be less than one :)
  81. +1
    30 July 2013 20: 51
    Well done Astrals, Europe, by the way, is also taking this path, but here...
  82. ivmes
    +2
    30 July 2013 21: 22
    Give birth to! HOW TO GIVE BIRTH!
    1. grafrozow
      0
      30 July 2013 21: 47
      Quote: ivmes
      Give birth to! HOW TO GIVE BIRTH!

      Ivan, clarify who will give birth and from whom. tongue hi
  83. +2
    30 July 2013 21: 34
    Quote: Siberian
    You are talking in your circle.... And in ours too. hi Although they are not all like that. Those who come to us are those who have to herd lambs there. And many of the literate ones who studied in Russian schools live there, they only come here to visit. And these literate comrades, these compatriots, fellow countrymen, Dastarbeiters
    not digested.


    I agree, I don’t compare it to the same carbon copy, if educated, literate people came who respect our traditions, who do not increase our crime rate and are not an eyesore, who will say a word
  84. +3
    30 July 2013 21: 42
    Let's come in large numbers! Long-awaited guests! They have half the budget of their country and at the same time behave asocially, trying to establish their own laws, forgetting that they are visiting! I, as a taxpayer, do not want to pay for staying at home this...
  85. Yarosvet
    +4
    30 July 2013 21: 48
    The causes of the problem, as usual, are clearly indicated
    1. grafrozow
      +1
      30 July 2013 23: 51
      Damn, I read the posters and the hair on my bald head stood on end.
      Quote: Yarosvet
      The causes of the problem, as usual, are clearly indicated

      This is where it was?
  86. LLIpaM
    +5
    30 July 2013 22: 13
    There are already so many of these guests from Central Asia that it really makes you sick. In the morning you go to the metro, half of the train is “Tajik”, at the stop there are whole packs of them standing there, muttering something to each other. So, okay, at least they worked normally, but no, they work for half an hour, half an hour Friday on a smoke break, they are already demanding more money for the work and their efficiency is 2 “Tajiks” - 1 is our Russian, I actually compared it at my work .
    1. 0
      30 July 2013 22: 18
      what makes you give them a job? you hire a Russian, give him the money you pay these two Tajiks and there is no problem.
      1. grafrozow
        +4
        31 July 2013 00: 02
        Quote: lonely
        what makes you give them a job? you hire a Russian, give him the money you pay these two Tajiks and there is no problem.

        Dear, if it were up to me, I would remember the experience of the Russian Empire - the Pale of Settlement!!! hi And before f.o.p.. what will they say at the UN and how the advanced public in Thailand and Honduras will react to this. My home is my fortress.
  87. 0
    30 July 2013 22: 48
    The whole point is what kind of migrants. Migrants are different from migrants. Why take migrants, Uzbeks, Tajiks. There are Chinese and Vietnamese. The Chinese are much more hardworking than the Tajiks and their mentality is different. Look how many Chinese there are in the USA, many of them are scientists
    1. Yankuz
      -1
      30 July 2013 23: 43
      Ha! Oh well! We've seen enough Hollywood films!
  88. +1
    31 July 2013 03: 19
    God, how nice it is. Is this really where the 90s end?

    “The attack on Matveevskaya became the detonator of events, the necessity of which had been talked about for so long that it became difficult to believe even in their very possibility. The head of the Ministry of Internal Affairs instructed his subordinates to focus on ethnic organized crime groups. If the operation is successful, not only the criminal, but also the interethnic situation will improve. In Moscow, the first is closely connected with the second.

    The Saturday incident on Matveevskaya Street caused not only a strong public reaction, but also specific actions by the police themselves. Minister Kolokoltsev signed an order that deals with both the decriminalization of capital markets and checking compliance with migration legislation, as well as strengthening the fight against organized and ethnic crime, and suppressing the activities of “thieves in law.” The minister gave another verbal order to the head of the main department of the Ministry of Internal Affairs for Moscow, Anatoly Yakunin - the police explained that large-scale events would last for a long period of time. So, the clean-up in Moscow markets, now in its second day, is just the beginning of a big operation."
  89. +2
    31 July 2013 06: 50
    Australia is an island. There can be no comparison with Russia, which has long land borders and a common history, a common language of interethnic communication with countries that supply guest workers. In addition, the power structures of Russia are simply afraid of irritating the huge Muslim ummah. With strong opposition to migration from the Central Asian republics, the government is afraid of getting Tahrir, not Bolotnaya Square, in Ma-a-skva. Our government is stupidly sitting on its butt, waiting: “Or maybe it will resolve itself?”
    But cancerous tumors do not resolve.
    In Russian cities there is a whole network of aggressive metastases, poisoning the mono-national organism of the country as a whole with the feces of Wahhabism in the form of markets.
    Treatment must begin immediately. And pills won't help here. Only surgical removal with cauterization of the wound.
  90. 0
    31 July 2013 07: 38
    Mass deportations will begin - our “human rights activists” will immediately raise their heads

    and send these next.
    In general, if they come to work with us, let them develop new lands in the Arctic: the New Siberian Islands, Novaya Zemlya, Franz Josef Land
  91. +1
    31 July 2013 07: 49
    With all due respect to the author, hi about Australia is still one-sided... or not enough :) There is one more nuance: they have the highest taxes, even more than in America, and even more so in neighboring countries. An Australian company worked for us, they said. They only keep their head office in Australia itself, and distribute the business itself, turnover and, accordingly, taxes across various surrounding countries from China to India. The owner and top management live in Australia, of course, where to go is a matter of politics, but smaller people, even native Australians (and they are prouder of this than Muscovites and St. Petersburg residents :)) are leaving because of taxes. One, for example, moved to China, another to Phuket, and the third is generally delighted with the opportunities in Russia :)
    So, in the policy of their authorities announced in the article, maybe not everything is so correct :)
    Although, on the other hand, a Chinese academician I knew, on the contrary, was invited to teach and work in Australia.
  92. lesnik340
    +4
    31 July 2013 09: 00
    “The revolt in Rus' is cruel and merciless,” said the classic. But the Gasters are live on air
    They say “you’ll wash your face in blood,” they break the cops’ heads.
    So saving drowning people is up to the drowning people themselves
    Or am I wrong?
  93. +1
    31 July 2013 09: 38
    Novaya Zemlya, the island of New Siberia or Stolbovoy - and under its own power

    Well, on Novaya Zemlya there are strategic objects...And so, yes - there is a lot of space in the North, welcome, Turkestan! Arbeit! :)))
    1. MakSim51ru
      +1
      31 July 2013 10: 17
      Well, they guessed my idea, only I wanted to offer Franz Josef Land...
    2. 0
      31 July 2013 12: 19
      oh well, they’re strategic. But they will be able to experience the effects of residual radiation in the conditions of the Far North and white witches
  94. Marek Rozny
    +3
    31 July 2013 12: 53
    Recently, Australian authorities deported a South African chef who had lived and worked in this country for 6 years. The reason for deportation was being overweight. The man weighs 130 kilograms, although when he entered the country he weighed 160, i.e. I gradually lost weight. He worked legally, had a family, had no complaints, but the authorities decided that 130 kg could cause a burden on the Australian healthcare system, and therefore kicked him out of the country.
    It is not reported what race the cook is.
  95. +1
    31 July 2013 13: 23
    As far as I noticed in the army and in my later life, all these Dags, Azers and others, while there are one or two of them, are more or less normal guys and they even eat pork - like “while I’m in the army, Allah is on vacation,” but if there are more of them, they they begin to feel their strength, then they begin to bully, those who served in the army before, and during the 90s, probably encountered this. What is happening now in the Moscow markets is window dressing, so as not to disturb people, like here we are working. Cherkizon existed for how many years? A lot of. Everyone knew about it, but did nothing. Then someone started to interfere, so they moved it. Where? Lyublino and Sadovod. All of Cherkizon with the Chinese and others there in Lublin people went on strike, there even seemed to be a fuss when the riot police did not disperse the strikers, someone even seemed to be fired. Now they have also fired people at the Matveevsky market, but are they to blame? A month or two will pass and everything will settle down again.
    1. 0
      31 July 2013 16: 38
      Will closing markets solve the problem? Let’s say they buried Matveevsky, a large territory will be freed up. it will be sold to someone (for good bribes, of course), the new owner will open a more modern market, everyone will gather there again! a vicious circle. The result is still the same, two people won - the new owner and the official who lined his pockets
  96. +4
    31 July 2013 13: 31
    And to
    Quote: Horn
    Australia is an island. There can be no comparison with Russia, which has long land borders and a common history, a common language of interethnic communication with countries that supply guest workers. In addition, the power structures of Russia are simply afraid of irritating the huge Muslim ummah. With strong opposition to migration from the Central Asian republics, the government is afraid of getting Tahrir, not Bolotnaya Square, in Ma-a-skva. Our government is stupidly sitting on its butt, waiting: “Or maybe it will resolve itself?”
    But cancerous tumors do not resolve.
    In Russian cities there is a whole network of aggressive metastases, poisoning the mono-national organism of the country as a whole with the feces of Wahhabism in the form of markets.
    Treatment must begin immediately. And pills won't help here. Only surgical removal with cauterization of the wound.

    I completely agree, they don’t give a damn about our laws and all of us, if they don’t start putting things in order now, then it will be too late, and there’s no point in looking at human rights activists. Russians were expelled from everywhere, from all former Soviet republics. I'm not a nationalist, but there is a limit to everything.
  97. Foooxxxxx
    0
    31 July 2013 18: 00
    I just wanted to write that in Russia it is necessary to send such migrants to Novaya Zemlya, but the article already says)
    Well, the Australians are doing the right thing in principle.
  98. soldier's grandson
    0
    31 July 2013 20: 14
    Quote: lonely
    Will closing markets solve the problem? Let’s say they buried Matveevsky, a large territory will be freed up. it will be sold to someone (for good bribes, of course), the new owner will open a more modern market, everyone will gather there again! a vicious circle. The result is still the same, two people won - the new owner and the official who lined his pockets

    almost all the traders were released, there are no complaints against them
  99. Alexandr0id
    0
    1 August 2013 01: 13
    what is happening here is an objective historical process - the metropolis was unable to “digest” the colonies, now the colonies are coming to eat and digest the weakened metropolis. In the 19th century, demography worked for Russia, in the 21st - against it. and this is just the beginning of a process that will last maybe another 50-70 years. These are the pies.
    1. EdwardTich68
      -1
      1 August 2013 02: 05
      This is what’s unpleasant. I just hope that the 2nd child program will help, maintaining quotas for migrants, foreign passports, visas. And of course, a comprehensive conflict in
      southern edges.
  100. +2
    1 August 2013 10: 43
    If at the next presidential election the candidate is a nationalist with the slogan: “Go home while you’re alive and your body parts are still there,” then he will win. The worst thing is that they are already breeding here, producing 3-4 offspring, and sending their children to our schools. Which means that they are not going to leave here anywhere.