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Aircraft L-410 became Russian

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Aircraft L-410 became Russian

The Ural Mining and Metallurgical Company (UGMK) plans to increase its stake in the Czech Aircraft Industries plant (Aircraft Industries) from 51 to 100 percent, thus becoming the sole owner of the production of the local L-410 “Turbolet” aircraft.

“Now we have the 51 percentage, by the end of this week a deal on the purchase of the remaining ones should be signed,” the general director of UMMC subsidiary Uktus-Avia Timur Azerny said at a meeting of the Transport Coordination Council of the Interregional Association Siberian Accord (AMIS) He did not specify the financial parameters of the deal with the Czech aircraft company Let Kunovice (Let Kunovice, the commercial name of Aircraft Industries), ITAR-TASS reports.

L- 410UVP - 19-seat short-range aircraft with a shortened take-off and landing distance. In the postwar period, the Turbolet became the first foreign aircraft to sail at Soviet distances. Now in the Russian regions, Aircraft Industries supplies a modernized version of the machines, equipped with a H-80 turboprop engine produced by the General Electric division in the Czech Republic. According to the UMMC, this has seriously improved its operational characteristics, extending, in particular, the flight range from 1420 km to 1520 km.

At the meeting of the AMIS coordination council, it was noted that the L-410 is regarded as the main aircraft for the modernization of regional parks and the restoration of the local airline network. It is assumed that the leasing of the aircraft will be carried out with budget support, the specific mechanisms of which the heads of regions consolidated intend to determine at a meeting in September.

Earlier, the Ministry of Industry and Trade and the Ministry of Transport of the Russian Federation reported that 19- and 9-local aircraft are needed for the development of domestic traffic. In Russia, aircraft such modifications do not produce.

L-410 is listed in the aircraft fleets of Orenburg and KrasAero companies. The purchase of several cars are ready to implement the government of the Khabarovsk Territory and the Buryat airline PANH. Aircraft Industries is currently doing draft work.

UMMC holding was created around the second largest metallurgical company in Russia and unites more than 20 mining, metallurgical, machine-building and telecommunication companies. The controlling stake is concentrated in the hands of Iskander Makhmudov and Andrei Kozitsin.
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  1. svp67
    svp67 26 July 2013 09: 51 New
    18
    Aircraft L-410 became Russian
    It may be good, but it may be similar domestic airplane at home put on the conveyor ...
    1. rate
      rate 26 July 2013 09: 56 New
      +6
      Or take out the factory with the workers.
      1. Ustin
        Ustin 26 July 2013 16: 44 New
        +1
        It's not worth taking out. The plant as a whole is not bad and was practically created by a group of enthusiasts with a "0". There is something to see. And the situation was one to one, like in Russia, there are no orders, money, people are running, the factory is being pulled apart. praise them! The fact that 51% of the Ural metallurgists are just lucky. Now we have a good production site with a full cycle in Europe. The question is: Will the men competently dispose of this wealth. Are there specialists for this. This is a serious matter and with the correct organization of the complex, prospects very good Including with BE32, which needs to be started over again, i.e. again.
    2. mark1
      mark1 26 July 2013 10: 30 New
      +7
      Quote: svp67
      It may be good, but it may be worth putting a similar domestic airplane at home on a conveyor belt ...

      The Be-32 has been asking for a long time, the car was originally better than the L-410, but in Soviet times it did not go into production due to politics, and now probably because of stupidity.
      1. Dart weyder
        Dart weyder 26 July 2013 11: 15 New
        +2
        Quote: mark1
        Be-32 has been asking for a long time, the car was initially better than L-410

        I agree, but the An-38-100 is more modern .... the niche of such machines is empty - that’s why they plug it up with foreign ones, but it’s better when they get it than they put it .....


        1. Papakiko
          Papakiko 26 July 2013 11: 37 New
          +2
          Quote: Dart Weyder
          An-38-100 is more modern

          Who owns the rights to this plane, Antonov Design Bureau, Kiev?
          And this is KB, like a dog sitting in the hay.
          And there is no international certification, which greatly complicates (negates) the export potential.
          And the Be-32 may someday fly into a series. crying
          1. Akim
            Akim 26 July 2013 11: 42 New
            +2
            Quote: Papakiko
            And this is KB, like a dog sitting in the hay.


            Maybe share how? Tea An-140 and 148 are also collected from you.
            About the license:
            SE “ANTONOV” in April 1997 received a type certificate for An-38-100 transport category aircraft on a certification basis developed on the basis of Aviation Rules Part 25 (AP-25), and in March 2001 - Supplement No. 1 to the Certificate type, providing international flights. In May 2004, Supplement No. 2 to the Type Certificate for increasing aircraft An-38-100 (models -110, -120) assigned resources of 10000 flight hours, 10000 flights and an assigned service life of 15 years was received.
            1. Papakiko
              Papakiko 26 July 2013 15: 18 New
              0
              Quote: Akim
              AI An-140 and 148 are also being collected from you.

              And how many cats are falling out from the Kiev partners?
              The An-140 wing and fuselage are produced at the Kharkov Aircraft Plant (KHAPP), and the aircraft is assembled at Aviakor. As of the beginning of 2013, 8 aircraft were manufactured by the Aviakor Samara plant. Dvigly production of Motor Sich OJSC.
              As a result, "Aviakor", as a screwdriver production, and tell me what kind of RF to bother with for the AN-140 if all the cream is merged into Ukraine?
              With AN-148 it is more "rosy" due to the involvement of "gayropeans" and "mattress".
              And with regard to consumption, aircraft produced 25 of them 15 are operated in the Russian Federation.
              Nishtyakh !!!
              Plane for the Russian Federation do the whole world.
              Quote: Akim
              and in March 2001 - Supplement No. 1 to the Type Certificate, providing international flights.

              And many countries take this plane into their airspace?
              Note, Ukraine has been discussing the "open sky" since 2007. Already held 6 rounds of negotiations. Also in Ukraine, they insist on obtaining a fifth degree of freedom in the European market - i.e. the right to fly from European airports. “Progress in these negotiations will show whether the round will be final. But if this does not happen, we insist that the negotiations be completed before the end of 2013, ”said Paolo Berrino, spokesman for the European Commissioner for Transport, Siim Callas.
              I hope this hint is enough.
              1. Akim
                Akim 26 July 2013 16: 34 New
                +1
                Quote: Papakiko
                Plane for the Russian Federation do the whole world.

                S / J ate the national producer, and the L-410 will generally be made with Czech hands. Do not like it, release domestic in this class. Yes, but no, not yet. Even the Be-32 engines are Zaporozhye (however, as well as the Be-200 amphibian).
                1. Papakiko
                  Papakiko 26 July 2013 16: 59 New
                  +1
                  Quote: Akim
                  Yes, but no, not yet. Even the Be-32 engines are Zaporozhye (however, as well as the Be-200 amphibian).

                  I’m telling you this too much Ukrainian in the Russian aviation.
                  It was not necessary to build high-tech factories in Ukraine during the Soviet era.
                  This is the biggest mistake made by "old men from the Politburo". The strong lobby was and remains.
                  Some losses. crying
                  1. Akim
                    Akim 26 July 2013 17: 15 New
                    +3
                    Quote: Papakiko
                    I’m telling you this too much Ukrainian in the Russian aviation.

                    Leave xenophobia alone, because of such views, others may have a response And do not extrapolate TODAY to YESTERDAY. Russia as a sovereign also received a good inheritance from the USSR. And everyone disposes of it as best he can. And to look for where and in whose blood is pouring is a thankless task.
                    1. Papakiko
                      Papakiko 26 July 2013 17: 38 New
                      +1
                      Quote: Akim
                      Leave Xenophobia Alone

                      belay
                      Quote: Akim
                      Russia as a sovereign also received a good inheritance from the USSR

                      In which everyone pulls tow with cries of "cheated".
                      Quote: Akim
                      And to look for where and in whose blood is pouring is a thankless task.

                      I wonder with you, where did I write about blood? belay
                      Quote: Akim
                      And everyone disposes of it as best he can.

                      Exactly, this is GOLDEN WORDS and the saying "Dog in the manger" in the place.
                      1. Akim
                        Akim 26 July 2013 18: 11 New
                        0
                        Quote: Papakiko
                        Papakiko

                        I spoke allegorically. But since the specifics are so4 specifics.
                        Ukrainian in the Russian Federation it's like I don't want to wear turkish jeans. This is "xenophobia".
                        Now on
                        It was not necessary to build high-tech factories in Ukraine during the Soviet era.
                        It does not seem to you that these are double standards for the later answered.
                        In which everyone pulls tow with cries of "cheated".
                        I do not pull, and you work in the government and you know everything or are you guided by the media and the liar Miller?
                        And about blood - this means that Ukraine also has the right to dispose of the property that it got and belonging to "made in" should not irritate
                2. Alekseev
                  Alekseev 26 July 2013 18: 57 New
                  +2
                  And how much is purely Ukrainian in "Zaporozhye" motors?
                  Take an interest in competent comrades (hundreds of enterprises from both sides participate in production) and it will immediately become clear to you that D-436 is a product of cooperation (inextricable) of Ukrainian and Russian plants.
                  The share of Russian enterprises in the production of D-436 engines is 46,20%, Ukraine - 53,80%.
                  And this is, in general, great!
                  Just need to do more of them ...
                  But for this to be the case, integration is needed in the future. The KLA needs the Ukrainian aviation industry, and Ukraine itself in the TS.
                  But the "hetmans" do not need this. it is enough for them to "pour in" and sell them cheaply to Europe ..
                  Enough for their age, but for the people ... us.
        2. V. Ushakov
          V. Ushakov 26 July 2013 17: 05 New
          0
          If AN is Ukrainian, then it is difficult to deal with them now. Therefore, they probably buy Czech production. It would be possible to build a branch of this Czech plant with us and modernize the machine. Once flew on this plane, a passenger, of course. Comfortable machine ...
    3. Russ69
      Russ69 26 July 2013 10: 37 New
      +2
      Quote: svp67
      Aircraft L-410 became Russian
      It may be good, but it may be similar domestic airplane at home put on the conveyor ...

      It seems to have already been written that they want to establish production on the territory of Russia. It’s just not yet known whether it remains in the plans or everything moves somehow.
      1. patline
        patline 26 July 2013 11: 13 New
        0
        The plane, by the way, is not bad. In Soviet times, he still flew a passenger on it. L-410 and Yak-40 - at one time they had no replacement in the vast expanses of Siberia for passenger traffic to remote cities and towns.
    4. a
      a 26 July 2013 11: 57 New
      +1
      Quote: svp67
      It may be good, but it may be worth putting a similar domestic airplane at home on a conveyor belt.


      sometimes it is not economically feasible to produce the entire line of equipment at home. L-410 is a small and relatively cheap plane. and in order to launch it in the series, substantial efforts will be required to establish full-scale production. I am not saying that this is impossible. but I think that specialists in the UMMC must have calculated everything. moreover, this aircraft is not strategic in nature.
      everything is fine. let the Czechs rivet him. we will buy it is a plus to our good relations with the Czech Republic, the country of NATO. frankly speaking, we probably have the best relations with the Czechs from all NATO countries.
      1. bang
        bang 7 January 2019 22: 28 New
        0
        frankly speaking, we probably have the best relations with the Czechs from all NATO countries
        Until we play hockey;)
    5. Dinver
      Dinver 26 July 2013 12: 55 New
      +1
      Quote: svp67
      It may be good, but it may be worth putting a similar domestic airplane at home on a conveyor belt ...

      Czech Republic temporarily annexed territory, do not worry, we will return everything through 20 wink
    6. Suhov
      Suhov 26 July 2013 13: 46 New
      +1
      Quote: svp67
      It may be good, but

      Is it weak to buy a printing press from amers?
      wassat
      1. Uralean
        Uralean 26 July 2013 19: 30 New
        +2
        Quote: Sukhov
        Quote: svp67
        It may be good, but

        Is it weak to buy a printing press from amers?
        wassat

        So far, weak! No competent economists in the country, no politicians .. Neither an army nor a fleet - there are no similar amers yet .. Over time .. maybe we will install this machine if China
  2. Kowalsky
    Kowalsky 26 July 2013 09: 55 New
    +7
    The plane did not become Russian. The company has become.
    1. Vlad_Mir
      Vlad_Mir 26 July 2013 10: 07 New
      +5
      And the company did not become Russian. The owners of the Russians are true!
    2. Ezhaak
      Ezhaak 26 July 2013 10: 24 New
      +4
      Aircraft L-410 became Russian

      Quote: Kowalsky
      The plane did not become Russian. The company has become.

      But for some reason "Chelsea Football Club" did not become a Russian side, although it exists mainly with money made in Russia.
    3. AVV
      AVV 26 July 2013 11: 05 New
      +2
      If the rights to the aircraft are bought out with the company, it means it is Russian! And any Russian design bureau can upgrade, it doesn’t happen that the company was bought, but there are no rights to the aircraft and production !!!
    4. AVV
      AVV 26 July 2013 11: 22 New
      0
      I explain with the example of An 124! Why is a joint production company created on a parity basis. Yes, because the rights to this aircraft will belong to this company, and not to any state! Why should the Russian state invest in a project where it will not have its share ?? ? Like this here !!!
  3. MIKHAN
    MIKHAN 26 July 2013 09: 59 New
    +1
    A good airplane (comfortable and nimble). I remember in the early 90s a student was going to go home and thought about what is better either by train (3,5 hours for 3 rubles) or by plane L-410 (20 min 14 rubles) We decided on the plane! (scholarship 50 rubles) This was the last flight (in the sense of closing the airfield))
    1. Akim
      Akim 26 July 2013 10: 40 New
      +2
      Quote: MIKHAN
      Good airplane (comfortable and nimble)

      As for comfort, I would argue. About 4 years ago I flew such a route Donetsk-Odessa. Corncart with sartier! Small armchairs. narrow passage. With growth over 180, the head has to be bent. And on the other hand ... The hour can be tolerated. It is better than 14 hours by bus.
    2. aviator_IAS
      aviator_IAS 26 July 2013 10: 58 New
      +6
      Airplane is really good. I flew on this. For local airlines ideal. Designed in Czechoslovakia by order and for the USSR. In the first versions, many nodes and systems were Soviet. It was massively operated in aviation schools to train civil aviation pilots and bombers. In the USSR, all aircraft plants were loaded with civilian and military orders, so the production of all light aircraft was transferred to Poland and Czechoslovakia. Who knew that in difficult times the social camp would turn its back on Russia. And spare parts for all this equipment suddenly became for currency. This circumstance instantly killed all small airports. Now they began to buy Turbojets of new modifications for schools. With the purchase of the plant, the price for Russia will probably be much cheaper. Of course, it is better to develop your production - this is employment and taxes plus the development of industry. But in the current environment, I think buying a company is the best solution. And then, having restored the production capacities at home, transfer production to Russia.
      1. a
        a 26 July 2013 12: 10 New
        0
        Quote: aviator_IAS
        With the purchase of the plant, the price for Russia will probably be much cheaper


        It’s unlikely to become cheaper. UMMC is a private commercial company. for them, the purchase of a plant is a diversification of income and the opportunity to expand sales of its main structure, a metallurgical company
      2. Black Colonel
        Black Colonel 26 July 2013 14: 26 New
        +1
        "With the purchase of the plant, the price for Russia will probably be much cheaper."
        Yeah, schyaz! Belarusian MTZs in Russia are sold cheaper than those collected under license in Russia itself. belay
  4. yura9113
    yura9113 26 July 2013 10: 10 New
    +3
    Quote: normal
    Or take out the factory with the workers.

    yes I agree, all this is certainly good, the Czechs are also a choir. guys, but it would be better if our jobs were replenished.
  5. Apollo
    Apollo 26 July 2013 10: 11 New
    +8
    citation-Ural Mining and Metallurgical Company (UMMC) plans to increase its stake in the shareholding of the Czech Aircraft Industries plant from 51 to 100 percent, thus becoming the sole owner of the production of the local L-410 turbolet aircraft ".

  6. King
    King 26 July 2013 10: 16 New
    +8
    We invest in ungrateful Europe. It would be better if they supported their aircraft industry.
    1. abc_alex
      abc_alex 26 July 2013 10: 53 New
      +4
      Look at it more positively. Putting together what was once ours. :) L-410 was made for the USSR, for our weather conditions and the runway. And the bulk of the machines (862 out of 1104) were bought by the USSR. :) Russia needs a car, the plant is ready and working, so why not? In addition, it is a commercial, civilian machine and the place of production is critical for its profitability. From the Czech Republic it is much easier to get a plane into Lithuania or Poland than from Ulyanovsk. And there will be demand ahead of supply - they will open production in Russia.
      1. Akim
        Akim 26 July 2013 11: 02 New
        +3
        Quote: abc_alex
        Russia needs a car, the plant is ready and working, so why not?

        An-38 was assembled in Novosibirsk. Aerial bead of regional scale. Moreover, all their own. Even Omsk engines. And where is all this? Or is it more pleasant to ride a Skoda than a Lada?
        1. Papakiko
          Papakiko 26 July 2013 11: 48 New
          -1
          Quote: Akim
          Or Skoda is more pleasant to ride than Zhiguli

          W-Monsieur, but that’s true. NICE, more comfortable and safer.
          And the AN-38 has a lot of superfluous, which complicates aerodynamics and increases costs.
          2 feathers, 2 diagonal craps, fixed chassis.
          "miracle" is wonderful.
          Quote: Akim
          And where is all this?

          Antonov Design Bureau owns the rights to AN-38.
          And there are all the projects "Dog and Hay". hi
          1. Akim
            Akim 26 July 2013 12: 05 New
            +1
            Quote: Papakiko
            NICE, more comfortable and safer.
            And the AN-38 has a lot of superfluous, which complicates aerodynamics and increases costs.
            2 feathers, 2 diagonal craps, fixed chassis.

            So buy Leopard, why build "Armata"? As for the 38th. It was specially created for Siberia and the North. Probably all these additions are for a reason.
          2. sergey72
            sergey72 26 July 2013 12: 13 New
            +2
            Quote: Papakiko
            Quote: Akim
            Or Skoda is more pleasant to ride than Zhiguli

            W-Monsieur, but that’s true. NICE, more comfortable and safer.
            And the AN-38 has a lot of superfluous, which complicates aerodynamics and increases costs.
            2 feathers, 2 diagonal craps, fixed chassis.
            "miracle" is wonderful.
            Quote: Akim
            And where is all this?

            Antonov Design Bureau owns the rights to AN-38.
            And there are all the projects "Dog and Hay". hi

            Have you ever communicated with an An-38 and L-410 pilot at the same time? Have you seen what airfields we have in Siberia? As they began to demand dollars for the L-410 spare parts, the local airlines bent ... The first thing that stops working on the "Elk" is the "progressive" landing gear retraction system ... The AN-38 is not ideal, but the operating costs on local airlines are even lower .. ...
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      3. Duelist
        Duelist 26 July 2013 12: 20 New
        0
        I agree. To establish production, we need not only financial investments, but also trained personnel. As demand appears in Russia, training will begin and a place for production.
    2. P-15
      P-15 26 July 2013 11: 06 New
      +4
      And you look at it from the other side:
      To be honest: from 1991 to 2008, Europe ate what it was able to take from the Soviet Union, from the Warsaw Pact countries, but today the resources of the former “national property” are already exhausted, there are nowhere to take new
      Russia, having bought 100% of the assets of this company, will make this enterprise work for itself.
      So this is a pretty smart move with far-reaching prospects.
    3. a
      a 26 July 2013 12: 08 New
      0
      Quote: King
      We invest in ungrateful Europe. It would be better if they supported their aircraft industry.


      the question is, do we have specialists to make this plane at home?
  7. NOMADE
    NOMADE 26 July 2013 10: 28 New
    +1
    By the way, a good plane, watched the take-off and landing at the Kamchatka airport! What struck in comparison with the AN - 24, there is almost no noise from work! That's what the new generation screws mean. But we must pay tribute to the fact that the new wide-body AN 140 (maybe I'm mistaken with the number) that the Yakutsk airlines bought is also very quiet, I was already surprised when I watched its take-off.
    1. a
      a 26 July 2013 12: 14 New
      +1
      Quote: NOMADE
      What struck in comparison with the AN - 24, there is almost no noise from work


      Well, compare the L-410 with the AN-24 is not worth it all the same. these are cars of different classes. If we compare the AN-24 with the ATR-72, this is an Italian-French plane. also two screw engines .. but noise is much less.
      1. Black Colonel
        Black Colonel 26 July 2013 14: 32 New
        0
        The pursuit of low noise can be accompanied by worse aerodynamics and propeller thrust. So here you need a middle ground.
        1. a
          a 26 July 2013 16: 13 New
          0
          Quote: Black Colonel
          The pursuit of low noise can be accompanied by worse aerodynamics and propeller thrust. So here you need a middle ground.


          our engines have always been distinguished by great noise and gluttony. due to the noise of our engines, our planes were not allowed to enter Europe, which did not correspond to the sound emission indicators adopted by ICAO. as a result, such a good aircraft as the Il-86 got on the joke. changing engines on it was very expensive
  8. Sirjey
    Sirjey 26 July 2013 10: 38 New
    +3
    I think that they will arrange the production of such aircraft also with us, but this requires a lot of money and time. But such aircraft are needed now and 100% production management, albeit overseas, only to the hands of. And indeed, in modern realities, the adjustment of a new production at home will result in 3 times more expensive than the adjustment of a similar production abroad. Like it or not, we really love kickbacks in Russia.
    1. max702
      max702 26 July 2013 11: 03 New
      +2
      This is the whole point, until they pull the tail of the haulers and any product manufactured by us is three times more expensive than there, it is the corruption component that is the main brake on the development of the country, and not drunkenness. Notorious laziness, savagery, and sloppiness, But then immediately a bunch of important people will become unnecessary, and they don’t know how to do anything, but they want to live rich and beautiful ..
      1. Alan
        Alan 26 July 2013 14: 42 New
        +2
        Quote: max702
        until they press the tail to the haulers and any product manufactured by us will be three times more expensive than there

        Good day! hi As you are already tolerant about them - "haulers"; sounds like the name of the profession. And in real life, thieves and traitors; and you need to call things by their proper names !!!!

        All the best.
  9. abuyanovus
    abuyanovus 26 July 2013 10: 56 New
    +7
    It seems to me stupid when there is AN-28, AN-38 (of course with new screws that are not so noisy), the same Be-32, which was never brought to mass production, to invest huge headstock in the Czech aircraft industry.
    The same An-38 is brought up and ready for operation and it can be made in Voronezh, by the way, it also has ov engines, because it was originally modernized to work in Canada and most of the licenses for it belong to Russia ... And the entire modification of the An-28 in An-38 it was done so as not to overpay the Poles, because the license for the production of An-28 and engines for them after the collapse of the alliance passed to the Psheks unclear why. The An-38 does not depend on the Soviet license anymore and if it is assembled in series, the price per unit will not exceed 1,5 (one and a half) million. dollars and this money would remain in Russia. But no, we will invest in a country that is a member of NATO and fly on airplanes whose wings are not particularly adapted for northern conditions (remember the Tyumen ATR?). And then we wonder why our aviprom is so backward? Yes, because the money itself is invested anywhere only not in our production. By the way, the L-410 is not a new aircraft at all and was developed simultaneously with the An-28. The same An-38 is much fresher ... So it turns out that we are buying foreign junk. It's a shame.
    1. a
      a 26 July 2013 12: 21 New
      0
      Quote: abuyanovus
      But no, we will invest in a country that is a member of NATO and fly on airplanes whose wings are not particularly adapted for northern conditions (remember the Tyumen ATR?). And then we wonder why our aviprom is so backward?


      everything seems to be correct. one does not take into account, investments are investments. the state has no money to invest. and in order for a private trader (the same UMMC) to invest, it is necessary to create conditions for this. Well, the private owner does not want to invest in an incomprehensible economy. we need bank loans at low interest rates, we need some kind of tax relief, etc. but we don’t have anything. so why be surprised that private companies do not invest money in domestic industry? this is a question for public administration
      as for the wings of the APR 72 and L 410. all the same, the turbo was created by our order and under our conditions. so that the wings on them are unlikely to come off from the cold
      1. sergeschern
        sergeschern 26 July 2013 19: 03 New
        0
        How is it that our state has “no money?” And the Stabilization Fund? In which money is deposited "for a rainy day". So here it is a rainy day - it has long come! Let's raise our production, create new ones. Ay-oo-oo, the government-o-o-o-o! And in response, silence! The country is "pouring in", and these **** do not see farther than the nose, and it looks like they don't really care! And one more thing: the government promised to find 450 lard in the budget. And of course, the most "rich". And who are the richest? - Right! Pensioners! The old ones are quite drunk and they don’t get out of the "Courchevels", rich people! - Abomination!
    2. Alan
      Alan 26 July 2013 14: 51 New
      0
      Quote: abuyanovus
      It seems to me stupid when there is AN-28, AN-38 (of course with new screws that are not so noisy), the same Be-32, which was never brought to mass production, to invest huge headstock in the Czech aircraft industry.
      The same An-38 is brought and ready for operation and can be made in Voronezh,

      And it seems to me that you missed one thing - namely "UMMC" is a private company at the helm of which are "effective" managers who first of all think about their wallet, and not about what Russia needs. True, for objectivity, we must admit that our state is in no hurry to create conditions for such production to develop in our country
  10. NOMADE
    NOMADE 26 July 2013 11: 00 New
    +2
    Quote: abuyanovus
    It seems to me stupid when there is AN-28, AN-38 (of course with new screws that are not so noisy), the same Be-32, which was never brought to mass production, to invest huge headstock in the Czech aircraft industry.
    The same An-38 is brought up and ready for operation and it can be made in Voronezh, by the way, it also has ov engines, because it was originally modernized to work in Canada and most of the licenses for it belong to Russia ... And the entire modification of the An-28 in An-38 it was done so as not to overpay the Poles, because the license for the production of An-28 and engines for them after the collapse of the alliance passed to the Psheks unclear why. The An-38 does not depend on the Soviet license anymore and if it is assembled in series, the price per unit will not exceed 1,5 (one and a half) million. dollars and this money would remain in Russia. But no, we will invest in a country that is a member of NATO and fly on airplanes whose wings are not particularly adapted for northern conditions (remember the Tyumen ATR?). And then we wonder why our aviprom is so backward? Yes, because the money itself is invested anywhere only not in our production. By the way, the L-410 is not a new aircraft at all and was developed simultaneously with the An-28. The same An-38 is much fresher ... So it turns out that we are buying foreign junk. It's a shame.


    Well justified! I support.
  11. Gorchilin
    Gorchilin 26 July 2013 11: 02 New
    +1
    For local lines, the An-2 or An-14 would be much more successful.

    Relatively light and cheap cars with excellent aerodynamics. Piston engines are very successful, they are cheaper than a fuel engine. Cars are undemanding to the runway, An-14 can almost land on helipads, take off from taxiways.

    Now they would have normal piston engines, there would be no price.

    For both cars, there are versions with turboprop engines, but such an engine is much more expensive, alas.
  12. knn54
    knn54 26 July 2013 11: 06 New
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    - King: We invest in an ungrateful Europe. It would be better if they supported their aircraft industry.
    Small factory in the Czech Republic is small - 2 pcs / month. maximum. If the price is not raised, it will be in DEMAND (and not only in Russia). And then you can create additional production with the prospect of installing a domestic engine, avionics, glider ...
    -NOMADE: What struck in comparison with AN - 24 ...
    Judging by the passenger capacity and the ferry range, it is an EFFECTIVE replacement for the AN-2, which is no less relevant.
    PS The acquisition of a controlling stake in a EUROPEAN enterprise is a landmark phenomenon. Previously, only football clubs were "allowed" to be acquired ...
  13. Akim
    Akim 26 July 2013 11: 37 New
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    When there was news that Russia wanted to buy out the ARO plant, it was normal. Because Bobiki and Patriots are everywhere and they are not enough. But the L-410 is not needed. It’s necessary to save your aircraft industry!
  14. Takashi
    Takashi 26 July 2013 11: 52 New
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    I remember Sukhoi trying to occupy this niche with his S-80. But it didn’t go beyond several flight specimens.
    1. sergey72
      sergey72 26 July 2013 12: 32 New
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      The story is the same, no suitable engine was found ...
  15. sergey72
    sergey72 26 July 2013 11: 55 New
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    As for the An-38, I will say that it was let down by unreliable Omsk engines, An-38-100 is a version with a Garrett engine, which are more expensive than the plane itself ... If the Omsk TVD-20 could be brought to mind ... But the Superjet came. "and we cut the rigging .... Now we are feeding the" brothers "again with the L-410 ...
  16. vladsolo56
    vladsolo56 26 July 2013 12: 06 New
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    It is unclear why investing in the Czech economy, it would be better to revive the Russian aircraft, at least the same Yak-40, no worse than the Czech. especially if it is improved by modern technologies. So are the jobs and prestige of the country. In general, not good news.
    1. a
      a 26 July 2013 12: 24 New
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      Quote: vladsolo56
      It is unclear why investing in the Czech economy, it would be better to revive the Russian aircraft, at least the same Yak-40, no worse than the Czech. especially if it is improved by modern technologies. So are the jobs and prestige of the country. In general, not good news


      why and why a private company is investing money in the Czech Republic I will not write - he already has enough decent answers to this question

      as for the Yak-40, do not confuse. these are different classes of aircraft. Yak-40 will not replace the L-410.
      1. vladsolo56
        vladsolo56 26 July 2013 12: 30 New
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        what does not replace? Yak also takes off and lands on unpaved airfields. Well, yes, he is a little bigger and what. And in general, it was an example, I’m sure that in Russia you can make an analogue of the same Czech aircraft and not worse, or even better
        1. a
          a 26 July 2013 12: 35 New
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          Quote: vladsolo56
          what does not replace?


          Imagine the consumption of three Yak-40 jet engines, if for example you need to fly a distance of 200 km. and imagine the consumption of two screw engines L-410. you as a former chief accountant, it will not be difficult to understand the economy of these two machines
          1. vladsolo56
            vladsolo56 26 July 2013 13: 07 New
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            Of course, if you compare the Yak-40 which was produced 30 years ago, and if you make changes to it taking into account today's technologies, then who knows
            1. a
              a 26 July 2013 13: 35 New
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              Quote: vladsolo56
              Of course, if you compare the Yak-40 which was produced 30 years ago, and if you make changes to it taking into account today's technologies, then who knows


              an aircraft designed for 27 seats (namely, the Yak-40 was designed for so much) initially could not be cheaper than an aircraft designed for 18 seats. The Yak-40 has a carrying capacity twice that of the L-410. The cruising speed of the Yak is one and a half times higher than the maximum speed of the L-410. Well, how much more do I have to give technical data confirming that these are different aircraft for their intended purpose. The L 410 is an aircraft for the MVL (the so-called local air lines), the YAK-40 is a short-haul aircraft intended for flights at a range of up to 2000 km.
              it is impossible to replace L-410 with Yak-40 on local lines
        2. a
          a 26 July 2013 12: 45 New
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          Quote: vladsolo56
          I’m sure that in Russia you can make an analogue of the same Czech aircraft and no worse


          they can do an analog. only who will do? where are the frames for the design? where are the frames for serial production? excuse me, at the enterprises producing large aircraft there are already serious problems with personnel. But this is a more significant production.
          where to get the money to establish production of the L-410.
          and also about your words about replacing the L-410 with the Yak-40. Yak-40 itself is much more expensive. it is crammed with a decent amount of equipment that aircraft do not need, flying at distances of a couple of hundred kilometers. he has three crew members. In general, a respected former chief accountant, any airline that bought the Yak-40 to operate it on local lines is doomed to bankruptcy.
          1. vladsolo56
            vladsolo56 26 July 2013 13: 08 New
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            you probably at every opportunity will remember who I worked for? isn’t it funny?
            1. a
              a 26 July 2013 13: 24 New
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              Quote: vladsolo56
              you probably at every opportunity will remember who I worked for? isn’t it funny?


              I find it ridiculous that you could not answer the most basic economic questions in the previous discussion. and what I read in your comments on this article is really funny when you say that you were the chief accountant. although, I do not doubt that you were the chief accountant. I was them too. but at the same time I only signed papers :)
  17. Sochi
    Sochi 26 July 2013 12: 40 New
    +4
    The company is private, and therefore patriotism didn’t give up to it, they earn money. And then the finished certified device. No pain in the neck and hemorrhoids with development and certification - rivet and sell around the world.
  18. michajlo
    michajlo 26 July 2013 14: 46 New
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    Good day to all!
    Regarding the flight technical and economic parameters of the Czech and Russian and Ukrainian planes - here the knowledgeable participants took apart all the details!
    However, the very fact that a Russian private manufacturing holding is increasing its shareholding from 51% to 100% in a small Czech air company is very positive!
    It’s good that, with purchases of forks, castles, yachts, private jets, football clubs, all sorts of oligarchs from the CIS start to buy manufacturing or mining and processing European firms.
    Russian or Russian-speaking owners of medium-sized companies are already appearing in Slovakia, which I consider to be a very positive indicator of a change in direction in the international economy.
  19. Bakunin
    Bakunin 26 July 2013 16: 33 New
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    Let them buy, collect - if only they would not fall and break ...
  20. AIR-ZNAK
    AIR-ZNAK 26 July 2013 17: 16 New
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    It was mentioned about the flights of the 410th in Siberia. He was, for example, in Kansk, Krasnoyarsk, Novosibirsk and performed flights on local airlines with landings at airfields with runways (easier concrete strips) and with some restrictions on air temperature at take-off / landing airports (in winter) Siberia is not Europe, but in Europe 410 is no more needed than an airplane for DOSAAF-ROSTO. There are concrete highways and a mild (compared to Siberia) climate. Comments are no longer needed. But a small airplane for 12-15 passengers with the ability to fly up to minus 50 degrees to unpaved runways to the North need desperately !!! Now the flights on these routes are carried out mainly by Mi-8, the cost of transported cargo is several times higher than on the An-2. Without bothering your head, compare the fuel consumption - An-2 130 kg / hour of gasoline, Mi- 8 620 kg / hour of kerosene.
  21. AlexTarov
    AlexTarov 26 July 2013 18: 48 New
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    I remember, as soon as they went to the local lines in the Omsk region, I was a kid riding a bike to the airport, waiting for him to arrive from the regional center to look at this plane. Lived in the area, the airfield is a dirt road - "Elka" coped well with this, and with the climate and other troubles. Passenger reviews are only enthusiastic. Speed, comfort - after the An-2 then it seemed like a wonder.
    But about the Yak-40 - I support the commentators - he could not cope with that takeoff. Once the truth sat down on an emergency, flying past. Made a noise and half of the city broke down to see what happened here) But it stood for a long time - the technicians did not let go. They were afraid that it would not take off, there would not be enough runway or the landing gear would get bogged down. "Elka" and Yak-40 are not competitors at all. Different weight categories. And at that time there was no alternative to the L-410.
  22. Uralean
    Uralean 26 July 2013 20: 05 New
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    Quote: uno
    Quote: Black Colonel
    The pursuit of low noise can be accompanied by worse aerodynamics and propeller thrust. So here you need a middle ground.


    our engines have always been distinguished by great noise and gluttony. due to the noise of our engines, our planes were not allowed to enter Europe, which did not correspond to the sound emission indicators adopted by ICAO. as a result, such a good aircraft as the Il-86 got on the joke. changing engines on it was very expensive

    They began not to let us into Europe when the USSR, destroyed the demosrats .. They destroyed the most powerful airline at that time "AEROFLOT" Including everything .. Both Airplanes and airfields, Repair services, factories producing spare parts, educational institutions for training, and retraining flight and maintenance personnel .., etc. ... In order to remove a competitor from the world market, or to squeeze and weaken the West launched an attack on AEROFLOT from several sides ... Restricting flights of our aircraft, bans on flights of our aircraft through the territories of the European Union. Pushing through the demosrats of Russia the old European and American production .. Well, and the collapse of design bureaus and factories in Russia for the production of Technology .. The collapse of the giant AEROFLOT into small, non-competing enterprises ... West, there was a collapse of design bureaus and aircraft manufacturing enterprises and the industry as a whole .. Now throughout the CIS, we have miserable endorsement of the greatness of the Soviet AviaProm ..
    1. a
      a 26 July 2013 20: 25 New
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      Quote: Ural
      We were not allowed to enter Europe when the USSR, demosrats collapsed ..


      Well then carry a blizzard. They didn’t let them in a few years ago. and it’s not just Aeroflot. other airlines that used noisy planes were not allowed in. In Europe, there is little space. therefore, often airports are located next to residential buildings, and so that the planes do not interfere with life, ICAO has adopted noise emission standards. These standards entered into force in the 90s. In the 2000s, authorities in many countries stopped receiving planes that did not meet these standards. TU-154B2, IL-86, Tu-134 were noisier than necessary. Tu-154M, Yak-42, IL-96 passed according to this standard.
      and no need to invent here about the Democrats. Our engines have always been noisy and voracious. Tu-154 is a wonderful aircraft, but consumed 6 tons of kerosene per hour. and the Boeing 737 consumes about 2,5 tons of kerosene per hour. it would be nice to arm yourself with numbers before you begin to carry
  23. Urri
    Urri 26 July 2013 21: 00 New
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    Any plant is people who are rooting for their business (sometimes literally). If the Czechs have smart guys in business, I'm happy for them. About "developing your own" first, find crazy enthusiasts of such a business, ready to put their life and destiny on his altar, then it will be seen. If not, at least you get financed. Big money always works - this is a huge delusion. They are always plundered if there are no such crazy patriots of their dreams. PMSM.
  24. igor67
    igor67 26 July 2013 21: 04 New
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    Does anyone know what is the difference between a trade wind and a Skoda super b? It seems the same thing, but the Czech is much better
    1. svp67
      svp67 26 July 2013 21: 10 New
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      Quote: igor67
      Does anyone know what is the difference between a trade wind and a Skoda super b? It seems the same thing, but the Czech is much better
      Skoda is a trade wind of the previous generation. A very good marketing ploy. Skoda factories are part of the FolsWagen concern. And putting the new Passat on the stream, the proven and proven solutions for the Passat go to Skoda. They do the same with the Golf, only at home, the worked-out solutions of the old Golf go to the "new" Polo
      1. igor67
        igor67 26 July 2013 21: 17 New
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        Quote: svp67
        Quote: igor67
        Does anyone know what is the difference between a trade wind and a Skoda super b? It seems the same thing, but the Czech is much better
        Skoda is a trade wind of the previous generation. A very good marketing ploy. Skoda factories are part of the FolsWagen concern. And putting the new Passat on the stream, the proven and proven solutions for the Passat go to Skoda. They do the same with the Golf, only at home, the worked-out solutions of the old Golf go to the "new" Polo

        In addition, I wrote that the Czech assembly is much better, so if you decide to buy a block of shares, all the same, let the Czechs collect, and try to restore the production of the same An, Il, Tu at home
        1. svp67
          svp67 26 July 2013 21: 59 New
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          Quote: igor67
          I wrote that the Czech assembly is much better

          I won’t argue much, but I think it’s more important here that the design is more developed and time-tested, since the same Skodes assembled in our Kaluga are also very decent cars, unlike the cars of other companies assembled here ...
  25. sashka
    sashka 27 July 2013 12: 25 New
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    According to the UMMC, this has seriously improved its operational characteristics, extending, in particular, the flight range from 1420 km to 1520 km.
    ================================================== =
    Seriously .. If not ama, I would fly a hundred kilometers less .. Some nonsense .. What is better to build by yourself .. Probably bought for "excuses" .. They are afraid to invest money in their own country ???
  26. svp67
    svp67 28 July 2013 14: 57 New
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    An-2 aircraft made a hard landing in the city of Shakhty, Rostov Region, due to engine failure during a test flight. Only the pilot was on board; he was not injured. The man tried to escape from the landing site, but after a few hours was detained by police.
    He, that on his own initiative tested him? The Proton assembler is on the run, the pilot of an emergency plane is on the run ... some kind of mania ...
  27. svp67
    svp67 28 July 2013 15: 02 New
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    L- 410УВП - 19-seat short-haul aircraft with a shortened take-off and landing distance. In the post-war period, "Turbolet" became the first foreign aircraft to enter Soviet distances.

    Not quite right, one of the first was this Czech plane too
    Let L-200 Morava
    Aeroflot acquired 68 L-200A and 113 L-200D aircraft. The last deliveries to the USSR were made in 1966.
  28. eagle owl
    eagle owl 31 July 2013 21: 38 New
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    for discussion.
    fact- the aircraft indicated under the designation BE-30 was shown in the sky at DOMODEDOVO in 1967, at the parade.
    but for the sake of CMEA all the drawings were transferred to a serial plant in CZECHOSLOVAKIA.
    so our plane, our own, is SOVIET and is designed in KB BERIEVA.
    Well, the fact that the Czechs will do it today is glorious, they don’t have drunkards at work, they have responsibility and labor discipline, and most importantly, it’s not Popovkin, but a real ENGINEER, that’s why polarity in DUSs will not change and you can fly fearlessly on it.

    eagle owl.