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No service, no science. The result of the activities of scientific companies is already visible.

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It is believed that scientific companies can become an effective social elevator for young scientists, that the intellectual elite of Russian universities will be concentrated in them. The opinion is expressed that everything must be done to support them and further employment of the young men who have served, either in the Ministry of Defense or in the military-industrial complex. So, the first scientific companies for students have already appeared. What do they represent?


How do we know that we are talking about the scientific elite? Students of technical colleges with military departments fall into scientific companies for the time being. But neither the third nor the fifth year it is impossible to determine what constitutes a particular student in a scientific sense: whether the future Einstein is in front of you, or diligent mediocrity.

So far, as you can understand, students who want to serve in the army for nine months instead of 12 want to serve as scientific companies, and they serve, as they think, in dusty conditions - instead of marching on the parade ground, which is much more pleasant in white lab coats to labore or appliances.

No service, no science. The result of the activities of scientific companies is already visible.

Now let's see where the first scientific companies appear. Some are deployed at the Air Force Academy named after Zhukovsky and Gagarin in Voronezh. Other companies are going to create in the suburbs at military schools and in St. Petersburg at the Kuznetsov Naval Academy.

However, military academies and schools are not engaged in scientific research, but above all in academic work, and military academies are not directly connected with the military-industrial complex and R & D. And it is not difficult to guess what the fighters of scientific companies will do in military academies — chores and maintenance work on the educational process: sweeping the parade ground, scrubbing floors, putting training materials into classes, washing flasks, etc.

Now civilian firms and civil servants from the structures of the Ministry of Defense are gradually being removed and fighters of scientific companies can replace them in some capacity, although today their drop in the sea is unable to provide for the needs of even one academy. After all, the first scientific company has only 35 people. But it is possible that, over time, if students flooded into scientific companies, which would have to be reduced to scientific regiments, they could be equipped with such companies as major academies and military schools, as well as some research institutes of the Ministry of Defense, and then, constantly receiving variable composition, scientific companies will be able to exist all year round and perform the functions of the educational process.

But to science, I repeat, and especially to the conduct of scientific and developmental works in the interests of the defense ministry, this will have nothing to do. If only because the academy is not able to carry out the selection of those who are needed for scientific and technical developments and research programs. And it is very difficult to come up with a mechanism by which scientific companies could be directly linked in the form in which they are being created to the specific needs of the military-industrial complex.

Meanwhile, the Russian army requires advanced scientific and technical developments, and programmers, who know their business well, and not under-educated students. And some kind of scientific company can be created in the Ministry of Defense system, although it is not necessary to call them that way. It seems to me that their name would be temporary research teams set up to solve specific scientific and technical problems in the interests of the Russian military-industrial complex.

We can recall, for example, that such teams were Soviet and American projects to create atomic and hydrogen bombs. Only in the composition of such research groups, students can not enter, perhaps, with the exception of single geniuses-geeks, who had time to clearly manifest themselves in science in his student years. At the head of such a team should be a venerable, experienced scientist who made a significant contribution to the study of this problem and is in the prime of its creative power. If we talk about age, then the head of the research team may most likely be from 25 to 50 years (with age, the creative potential of scientists in the field of natural sciences usually falls), and this is certainly not a student.

He will try to recruit his employees among young and ambitious candidates and doctors of science, as well as graduate students and applicants for scientific degrees. Usually the scientific potential of a graduate student can be determined at the end of graduate school, when his first scientific publications had already appeared, and he himself had reached the age of 24 – 25 years.

The incentive to get into the research team of the Ministry of Defense may be twofold, but it should not be associated with the desire to serve or not to serve in the army. The first stimulus is the interest in solving the original scientific or scientific-technical problem. The second is material. Alone, each of these incentives does not work in this case. If a task is not attractive and does not have an important practical value recognized by researchers, very few people will undertake to solve it, even for a lot of money. But even a very interesting and important task is difficult to solve on an empty stomach and in the mind that you are not able to adequately provide for yourself and your family.

In Soviet times, it is well understood. And in the implementation of atomic, hydrogen, rocket-space and other defense projects, scientists attracted both purely scientific interest in solving new problems, and more than solid material incentives. "Closed" scientists received perhaps the highest salary in the country, practically did not know what a deficit was, and did not worry about improving their living conditions. Project managers could select the best specialists on a competitive basis. But at the same time, the overwhelming majority of researchers remained civilians and, with rare exceptions, did not call them into the ranks of the Soviet army and did not assign military ranks. Probably, now we have to go the same way. Moreover, even a very high salary of scientists is only a small part of all R & D expenditures.

In connection with the introduction of scientific companies, it was suggested that the future scientist of the military-industrial complex should learn the course of the young soldier. But in fact, this course will have no relation to the problems solved by the researcher, nor will it have any practical value for him. Since no one in a nightmare does not suggest that in the event of a war, a scientist engaged in an important defense development be used as a fighter or even a platoon commander running to attack or, sitting in a trench to reflect an enemy attack. On the contrary, such scientists, for reasons of secrecy, are not even close to the front line. Therefore, the course of a young fighter can be useful to them except for general erudition.

And programmers in the army must be taken not from students, but possibly the best ones and, if necessary, enroll them in military service and confer titles, including officer ones. Only they need to be recruited not by conscription, but voluntarily, according to the same principles by which scientists should be recruited for defense projects. The level of complexity of military equipment is now such that the Russian army should be professional. And the non-combat functions of the Armed Forces in non-combat conditions, for the fulfillment of which today mainly conscripts are used, should be transferred to civilian organizations and personnel. Only in this case it is necessary to have close control over them and to ensure that real competitions for the provision of services to the Armed Forces are held and the firms that are closely affiliated with officials of the Ministry of Defense would not receive. Then the level of corruption will not go off-scale.

Of course, during the transition to a fully contractual army, we will have to accept both the rising costs of maintaining personnel, to make military service attractive for a sufficient number of young people, and the fact that almost exclusively immigrants from the Russian province will serve as soldiers and sergeants. and not from Moscow or St. Petersburg, since the salary of ordinary contract soldiers is still too far from the average level of the capital. But Muscovites and Petersburgers will remain in the army anyway, only in officer positions. Yes, and in scientific companies if they are created, they are likely to prevail, given the concentration of domestic scientific and technical potential in both capitals.
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  1. smel
    smel 26 July 2013 15: 15 New
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    Yes, it's just a PR campaign. No result is expected except for the torment of the commanders
    1. ziqzaq
      ziqzaq 26 July 2013 16: 23 New
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      Quote: smel
      Yes, it's just a PR campaign. No result is expected except for the torment of the commanders

      Any, even the most ingenious idea can be brought to complete absurdity.
      The article is clearly written "on emotions" - everything is bad, etc. etc.
      The author clearly didn’t work in any technical department or the design bureau is not talking about the research institute.
      In work on any subject, there are many things that can be done not only by academics, but simply sensible and, most importantly, an inquisitive young man.
      And then they are not born academicians, but they become for those who doubt this thesis I advise you to read the biography of Michael Faraday ......
      1. maxvik
        maxvik 26 July 2013 17: 37 New
        +7
        Quote: ziqzaq
        In work on any subject, there are many things that can be done not only by academics, but simply sensible and, most importantly, an inquisitive young man.


        And what does the scientific companies that sit at the military schools have to do with it? At academies, cadets and students alike study. Military education is now focused on training ITS (engineers and technicians), rather than research engineers (as was the case with VVIA named after N.E. Zhukovsky). Future operators are prepared for 4-5 years. Will scientists be trained in scientific companies for 1 year? Curricula, teachers, all focused on the preparation of ITS. Who, how and what will teach in scientific companies?
        Here it was necessary to disperse Zhukovka, and now to pervert in convulsive torment !!!!
        1. S_mirnov
          S_mirnov 26 July 2013 17: 47 New
          +8
          "Here it was necessary to disperse Zhukovka, and now to pervert in convulsive torment !!!!" - buildings and territories of universities can be profitably sold! And let conscripts move science - they are free!
          It seems we began to forget what the classics taught us:
          "... If there is such a thing as a bribe, if possible, there is no question of politics. There is not even an approach, you cannot do politics here, because all measures will remain hanging in the air and will not lead to exactly any results. It will be worse from the law if it will be applied and distributed under the conditions of a bribe.

          IN AND. Lenin "
          1. Alexander Romanov
            Alexander Romanov 26 July 2013 17: 50 New
            -4
            Quote: S_mirnov
            ... If there is such a thing as a bribe, if possible, there is no talk of politics

            It was her who was taken by the "classic" from the Germans to plunder Russia!
            Quote: S_mirnov
            IN AND. Lenin "

            Here they come from where the legs. Smirnov, you’re not leaving the mausoleum for an hour on the Internet laughing
            1. My address
              My address 26 July 2013 20: 55 New
              +5
              1. How does it take a bribe to rob? And if Lenin robbed, then where did the loot go?
              2. Contact the "you" in the comments, and even the moderator, this is something.
            2. S_mirnov
              S_mirnov 26 July 2013 21: 11 New
              +5
              "It was her who was taken by the" classic "from the Germans to plunder Russia!" -If this was really so, then Lenin would be worth giving the Nobel Prize. Agree to carry out the socialist revolution in Russia and build a country of workers and peasants, and even with other people's money !!! This is a great talent!
              Yes, as you know, Lenin also expropriated a huge amount of land and factories in Russia that belonged to foreign capitalists, which was the true reason for the intervention and support of the white movement by the West. And all this with German money?
              It is almost as if Putin held rallies in support of his beloved for the money of Angela Merkel. So no, he spends for our money. Talent is not enough to see. wink
          2. Very old
            Very old 26 July 2013 18: 10 New
            +4
            Alexander, sold buildings and territories - lost BRAIN, in the head of KY
        2. ziqzaq
          ziqzaq 26 July 2013 18: 06 New
          +1
          Quote: maxvik
          Will scientists be trained in scientific companies for 1 year? Curricula, teachers, all focused on the preparation of ITS. Who, how and what will teach in scientific companies?
          Here it was necessary to disperse Zhukovka, and now to pervert in convulsive torment !!!!

          In my opinion, scientific companies were organized not for training academics, but for involving literate youth and selecting the most talented for the needs of the army.
          Quote: maxvik
          And what does the scientific companies that sit at the military schools

          As far as I remember, at a normal university there were experimental production facilities, these "scientific" fighters will come in handy there ....
          I repeat: any idea depends on the implementation .....
        3. S-200
          S-200 27 July 2013 06: 01 New
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          Quote: maxvik
          Military education is now focused on training ITS (engineers and technicians), and not research engineers (as was the case with VVIA named after N.E. Zhukovsky)

          Research Engineers prepared the postgraduate courses at the higher educational institutions, where they existed (are), and, not only at the Zhukovsky Academy ...
          1. aviamed90
            aviamed90 27 July 2013 14: 44 New
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            S-200

            Are you sure they are currently available?
          2. maxvik
            maxvik 29 July 2013 10: 58 New
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            In the diploma of a lieutenant of a graduate of Zhukovka, a research engineer was written before the collapse of the Union.
            In post-graduate studies, future professors of higher educational institutions are being trained, and certainly not only in Zhukovka. At the end of the postgraduate course, the graduate receives a Ph.D., a diploma of a teacher of higher education, and should be distributed to a teaching position.
  2. Russ69
    Russ69 26 July 2013 15: 15 New
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    What results can we talk about if these same companies just created. let's wait at least a couple of years, then something will become clear.
    1. Joker
      Joker 26 July 2013 16: 11 New
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      What kind of results can we talk about if these same companies have only been created?

      + good Already the howling of all pro-directors began.
      However, military academies and schools are not engaged in scientific research, but above all in academic work, and military academies are not directly connected with the military-industrial complex and R & D.

      After these words, I realized that the author is stupid and incompetent.
      In order for the soldiers to serve in R & D, they need access to a secret room, which at least takes place on the month of 3-4, and with large flows, even more. Then, after serving a year, the secret does not go anywhere, and if they are involved in military development there, then this is exactly the 3 level of tolerance needed, and after the service, the 5 cannot leave the RF for years. Therefore, the Defense Ministry went in the right direction, instead of a gemmor with secrets attached scientific companies to educational institutions. Further, how many years in the army go after military universities? In 23-24. What the hell are R & D? They just graduated from the institute, what will they construct there? Practitioners with gulkin nose, they are also taught to teach and just this + placement on the basis of the uch. Head there the professors will see who is capable of what and who has studied at the institute. Again, this is BYE only from the institutions they accept, and when they go there from school, do they also need to send them to R & D?
      Meanwhile, the Russian army requires advanced scientific and technical developments, and programmers, who know their business well, and not under-educated students. And some kind of scientific company can be created in the Ministry of Defense system, although it is not necessary to call them that way. It seems to me that their name would be temporary research teams set up to solve specific scientific and technical problems in the interests of the Russian military-industrial complex.

      Forgive me, but the author is an idiot. Then he shouts that it is necessary to send students to R & D, and not to teach, but now the opposite is true, saying that students who do not study for it are not needed. This is called schizophrenia.
      I haven’t seen a stupid article yet, I haven’t seen of course even more stupid ones, but at least they wrote about things that have been working for several years, and this bapt began to criticize even the year, while being confused in its words. Article giant minus. If uncle programmers are taken to scientific companies, then these companies will lose all their meaning, and the point is to find future scientists among young guys and, at the end of the service, to give them a place to work, where they could show themselves, that is the meaning and not in that uncle there to plant, their uncle, too, first you need to find and pay them. In general, the article sucks. The author would give the jaw for such a shit. 100% of some sort of journalist with a type of tape. Sru, which did not serve in the army. Divorced analysts.
      1. Joker
        Joker 26 July 2013 16: 47 New
        +1
        About how to minus steel, and write what is not so weak? Dear user under the nickname "very old", you have gone through all of the negatives here, can you voice your point of view?
      2. Waroc
        Waroc 26 July 2013 17: 55 New
        +5
        Access to the secret is issued more than promptly - by the time this access is necessary. Your phrase about: "they need access to the secret, which takes at least 3-4 months, and with large flows even more," says at least incompetence in this matter. Do not bring nonsense - what kind of access they need to the secret - they, stupidly, do not know how and do not know - where are you going to admit these boggles !!! I am convinced by 327% - loudly named, "SCIENTIFIC Mouths" - a stillborn child, without options.
        1. Joker
          Joker 26 July 2013 18: 13 New
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          says at least about incompetence in this matter

          Well, of course, my wife works in the state. companies with sekretki and I do not know how much it is made laughing

          Do not carry nonsense - what they need access to a secret room - they, stupidly, do not know how and do not know - where are you going to allow these squadrons !!!

          Actually, it is the author who allowed them into R & D and gathered, not me, I just wrote that they do not need it.
          I am convinced of 327% - loudly named, "SCIENTIFIC MOTIONS" - a stillborn child, with no options.

          Well, let's see, your statement is as stupid as if you approached a newborn baby and said: “Assured by 327%, a stillborn child, with no options laughing
          1. Waroc
            Waroc 26 July 2013 18: 41 New
            +2
            Well, let's debate)))
            Your wife works in a state-owned company, and I served in the Strategic Missile Forces for only 10 years, mind you, your wife "works for a state company with a secret," and I'm in units that are actually performing a combat mission - who has a more competent statement in the field of the RF Armed Forces ???
            Further!
            Just the same author is not going to allow them anywhere - do not pull out individual phrases from the context - the general meaning of the article is quite clearly expressed already in the title - "Neither service, nor science"
            But a year later, when new blanks come, and old blanks calmly go to the "demobilization" (although what demobilization can we talk about in conditions of temporary employment for, like, service - 3 months for 12 months)))) - then we will appreciate the TITANIAN work of undergraduate students !!!

            But about the child, you’re obviously trying to translate what is called arrows, I don’t do this, I don’t do it and I don’t intend to do it.
            But we are talking about a state defense project - do not confuse pissing with your finger!
          2. svp67
            svp67 26 July 2013 18: 47 New
            +1
            Quote: Joker
            Well, of course, my wife works in the state. companies with sekretki and I do not know how much it is made
            Do not know...
            In the Armed Forces - according to the 3 form, the commander can admit having issued an order in part, and so conscripts from the military enlistment office are sent to units with a certain clearance. Since during the draft they are assigned to specific numbering teams, for which the degree of the admission form of the conscript sent to her and the work on its designation are indicated in advance in the draft assignment, the employees of the military commissariats are even before the official start of the draft company
            1. Waroc
              Waroc 26 July 2013 18: 57 New
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              And you think that - those who should raise modern military science to unattainable heights - will really be cheating for 3-4 months to the secret - think, maybe it will be good. If you think so (about the timing for granting tolerances), then you yourself, in the subconscious, really doubt their effectiveness.
              And about what you wrote - I know much more than you and your wife working in a state-owned company !!!

              PS - Did you personally serve? Or do you have all the experience of the army service due to the fact that YOUR WIFE is working in a state-owned company with an access to state secrets, but what about you personally ???
              1. Joker
                Joker 26 July 2013 19: 10 New
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                PS - Did you personally serve? Or do you have all the experience of the army service due to the fact that YOUR WIFE is working in a state-owned company with an access to state secrets, but what about you personally ???

                He served and his wife worked as an engineer-designer, just doing what the scientific companies should do. She was admitted to the secret room for almost half a year, because she doesn’t use it like you, but develops it.
                1. Waroc
                  Waroc 26 July 2013 19: 28 New
                  +2
                  And since she was granted access for half a year, it means that she didn’t need him before for her official needs, or there were doubts about her honesty and dignity and usefulness with this permission - and how did you think such a thought, or maybe you’re hidden spies))) (so as not to escalate unnecessary excitement - I’ll say right away that this is a joke ... though, in every joke there is a fraction ... jokes).
                  And about “because it doesn’t use you, but develops it” - that is, you want to say that the army in the person of officers, ensigns, sergeants and soldiers are not trustworthy and generally worthless, but YOUR WIFE is strength, and it is she who should be on combat duty in remote areas, at points, at sea at exits, etc. etc.
                  It seems to me personally that you are skidded - I repeat - before you write nonsense - think !!!

                  PS: Returning to the original topic of the dispute - SCIENTIFIC, type, companies - stupidity and nothing more than an official reason for excuses from military service. For those who did not serve - February 23 is not their holiday - their holiday is March 8 !!!
                2. Waroc
                  Waroc 26 July 2013 22: 50 New
                  +2
                  Briefly, succinctly - I served here like it might be somewhere somewhere if something suddenly than what ....... And I flew into space 17 times with such a macar ... - lie, don’t lie - your answer style already says that you are an office hamster - yelled, but neither strength, nor aggressiveness, nor mind support your comment already))) - it’s not in my principles to offend wretchedly, but there's nothing to be done - either shut up or catch and don’t say that they didn’t warn you - BROKEN - Wrap around !!!
                  With you - UNDERSTANDS, only in your opinion - you don’t understand normal words - while you don’t poke a snout in your gavnetso - you don’t stop barking !!!
            2. Waroc
              Waroc 26 July 2013 19: 10 New
              +1
              Who exactly in your great opinion are the draft commissions checking. I can only say such nonsense - HAHAHA, you are more naive than in the first post. Nobody really knows where this draftee will go, and, you see, they’ll check him for the possibility of assigning an admission category))) An ordinary soldier, by definition, doesn’t have an admission to the category even “Secret”, only if he gets into rather specific units , only - then, and not a second earlier, and by the time the given particular fighter is ready to fulfill the tasks assigned to him - is he assigned the category of dotsup, and even then in the "part concerning". Or you, in your nearness, thought that a specialist in the field of aviation with a category - let there be a SS (top secret) will be given appropriate access and access to documents from this secrecy stamp in the field, for example, of the same rocket science))) Don’t tell my hooves )))
              1. Joker
                Joker 26 July 2013 19: 19 New
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                Who exactly do you think the recruitment commissions check. For such nonsense, I can only say - HAHAHA, you are more naive than in the first post. No one
                doesn’t really know where this recruit will go, but you see, he is already being tested for the possibility of assigning an admission category))) An ordinary soldier, by definition, doesn’t have access to even the Secret, even if he enters a rather specific unit, only then, and not a second before, and by the time this particular fighter is ready to carry out the tasks assigned to him - he is assigned the category of a dozen, and then in the “part of the matter”.

                What are you trying to explain to me? What fighters to sekretki nobody will allow? So I wrote this to you in the very first post, this author laments that they are not sent to R & D, but are learning. Do you read the entire comment?
                1. Waroc
                  Waroc 26 July 2013 19: 55 New
                  +3
                  Let me agree ...
                  But if these Gavriks are directed not to work / serve / invent / raise military science, but to study, then - nah ,,, Rena they are needed as part of the RF Armed Forces, their place in the Ministry of Education, without the status of military personnel. Now, when they learn something, and will be, at least something, then - WELCOME THEM TO KB, SRI, and other scientific and design structures that ... and without any dropouts are quite capable of coping with the challenges tasks by the profile of activity - and I’ll say right away - don’t dare to exclaim about, like - they can’t cope (((, and you, damn it, didn’t think that - unlearned students with a temporary employment schedule - will not help the already established scientific / constructors collectives, or maybe it’s better to finish up these SCIENTISTS (if at least one of them will be good) and only when a butterfly resembles a chrysalis to attract to work for the benefit of the RF Ministry of Defense ...


                  PS: To be honest, I’m tired of proving to faraway comrades the most primitive, adequate and simple things. They can talk a lot - but their nonsense is nothing more than - a desire to express their opinion, moreover, far from reality and adequacy, the main thing is to be heard away ...
                  BUT HERE'S LIKE HERESY WILL NOT PASS - EITHER YOU ARE SERVING THE MOTHERLAND, or do not hide behind all sorts of tricks - in order to deflect from a normal service to the glory of MOTHERLAND !!!
                  1. Joker
                    Joker 26 July 2013 20: 55 New
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                    But if the Gavrik data are directed not to work / serve / invent / raise military science, but to learn, then — nah ,, rena they are needed as part of the RF Armed Forces

                    From the news: "March 11 of the Ministry of Defense decided to consider the possibility of creating a" scientific company "in the army, in which talented students together with teachers will carry out scientific and technical work in the interests of the military department.

                    According to Defense Minister Sergei Shoigu, talented guys who, without leaving their universities, will work with teachers to do the work that the Ministry of Defense will order, will go to such units.

                    “We are ready to finance the research and development work of such groups, but we can expect clear results from them, and not any fantasies. You are the first in line ... For the Ministry of Defense, such an initiative is not an easy decision, ”said Sergei Shoigu on Monday during a meeting with teachers and students of the Moscow State Technical University (MGTU) named after Bauman."

                    So clearer?
                    1. Waroc
                      Waroc 26 July 2013 21: 28 New
                      +1
                      From the news - Yesterday, Hitler was caught under the bridge with a tail .................. as you said - we’ll see the result at least in a year (just today's bells will invent a plasma mega-super -puper-extra-pushechka) - I’m not Nostradamus, but with 100% certainty I can say - today's scientific, type, scientific fraternity from the composition, TPA, scientific, mouth - with a clear conscience will leave for a civilian with a military ID of them + / ren , not that it would be inventing - just - simply - not having done nichrome (even without taking a push), with quiet joy - they would leave for, like, a demobilization ((())) !!!
                      1. Joker
                        Joker 26 July 2013 22: 39 New
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                        with quiet joy - they will leave for, like, - demob ((())) !!!

                        You are considering the issue not from the point of view of the project itself, but from the point of view of the corruption component of the issue. I mean, any initiative is doomed to failure, because there are thieves. I gave you the words Shoigu gave, here it is the goal and there is a goal that is good and necessary, and thieves will serve there or not thieves, this is a completely different question and the question is not to scientific companies, but to those who struggle with this corruption.
                      2. Waroc
                        Waroc 26 July 2013 23: 51 New
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                        I ask - do not make such hasty statements addressed to me ...
                        The goal is good, the implementation, in my opinion, is not viable (if only artificially planted on the apparatus of artificial life support). Well, let’s be honest - our comrades have been recruited - there’s no one to call them, if you say that the modern Mendeleev gathered there - well, then, list who of the given companies has any scientific works and titles ... But otherwise your arguments lose force - because then it turns out that in (I repeat, excuse me ...) SCIENTIFIC COMPANIES - they scored anyhow, just to get them, and then working out the methods, you can calmly recruit the right guys from the right fathers ...
                        Let's take a look at the invented Death Star project developed by scientific companies in a year ... Well, if you don’t squeeze anything sensible from this venture in a year - well, call me that means you were wrong))) (((And, unfortunately, I am unconditionally convinced of your wrong ...
                        In principle, we’ll take a look through at least a year from now - after a maximum of 2 years, otherwise this project will begin to resemble super-powerful with super-performance and super-performance - Rusnano ... But my heart feels that way (((...
            3. grafrozow
              grafrozow 26 July 2013 20: 55 New
              +1
              Quote: Waroc
              Who exactly in your great opinion are the draft commissions checking. I can only say such nonsense - HAHAHA, you are more naive than in the first post. Nobody really knows where this draftee will go, and, you see, they’ll check him for the possibility of assigning an admission category))) An ordinary soldier, by definition, doesn’t have an admission to the category even “Secret”, only if he gets into rather specific units

              I don’t know how it is now, but in 1977 there were 6 of us. they took him into the army directly from the field practice, everyone had a visa open. Everyone served in the GSVG in air defense and after the service they signed up for 5 years, there were enough secrets, friend or foe codes, air defense network, signal coding, it's all in a sergeant position.
              1. Waroc
                Waroc 26 July 2013 21: 22 New
                +1
                I clearly limited - to the relevant specific subdivisions ... Do not try to catch me on partial quoting of my posts - read in full, bring in completely !!!
            4. AleksUkr
              AleksUkr 27 July 2013 10: 49 New
              +1
              For your information, draftees are issued admission 2–3 months before the draft. In winter, until March 1, the autumn draft is before September 1, this should be so. In reality, this process can be delayed. The admission is issued not half a year, but 1-1.5 months, depending on the form of admission. They also draw up 1-2 forms, depending on the intended place of service. The level of education, specialty, etc. is taken into account. I emphasize - It is the FORM of admission.
        2. dustycat
          dustycat 28 July 2013 11: 57 New
          +1
          Quote: Joker
          says at least about incompetence in this matter

          Well, of course, my wife works in the state. companies with sekretki and I do not know how much it is made laughing


          Hmm ...
          I was called 13.11
          The unit arrived on 19.11/XNUMX
          After quarantine on December 22.12, we were handed passes with security clearance.
          Moreover, the date of issue in the passes was the date of arrival in the unit.
          Three months later, they gave me access to level 1. (It became necessary to complete the work - they brought it in THREE DAYS.) Of course, minus XX years of absence from the USSR. But...
          What 3-4 months ?!

          The issue with the admission of the draftee is decided at the stage of determining the suitability for the draft.
      3. aviamed90
        aviamed90 27 July 2013 14: 53 New
        -2
        AleksUkr

        What type of clearance do you mean?
        And access to what? To a broomstick and a rag?

        1st form of admission to a draftee? M-yes! ...

        You surprised me! ...
        1. AleksUkr
          AleksUkr 27 July 2013 16: 44 New
          +1
          Mr. General !!!!! Yes, the draftee is given the 1st form of admission. If you are far from this, then do not be surprised. Call any military registration and enlistment office. If you have such an opportunity and desire. Good luck
          1. aviamed90
            aviamed90 27 July 2013 18: 29 New
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            AleksUkr

            Do not make people laugh - you look stupid, Mr. Colonel General!

            In military universities (with the exception of certain rare specializations such as cryptographers), students have the 3rd form of admission.

            In aviation regiments, the flight personnel has a clearance form of the 2nd form. And the commander, NS and the beginning. 8th branch - 1st.

            Even for students of the VVA them. Gagarin and Zhukovsky in most departments of the faculties is sufficient for the 2nd form of admission.

            Does this surprise you?
            Or do you think that other than you on this site no one in the army has served or received tolerances?

            In this case, give examples and justify. And at the same time give a link to the documents, which says about what you are trying to "hang noodles on our ears"!
    2. nerd.su
      nerd.su 27 July 2013 18: 03 New
      +1
      Quote: Joker
      then these companies will lose their whole meaning, and the meaning in them is such as to find among young guys future scientists and at the end of the service to provide them with a place of work where they can prove themselves, that’s the point

      And how will future scientists be found in a scientific company? We do not yet know what these companies are doing. Most likely, at the Higher Education Institutions, they will serve as draft administrators. It will be possible to maintain and even create (in the sense of creating software) various simulators, to model a virtual battlefield using digital terrain models, etc. There just a lot of research mind is not needed, a great working capacity of a thinking, reasonably educated, performer is needed.
      Wait and see.
      Quote: Joker
      In general, the article sucks. I would give the author a jaw for such bullshit. 100% some sort of zhurnalyuga from a publication like tape.ru, which did not serve in the army. Divorced analysts.

      Some kind of unmotivated aggression. The author sets out fairly justified doubts, albeit in a categorical form, and he immediately in the jaw what
  • z-exit
    z-exit 26 July 2013 15: 19 New
    0
    Well wait you criticize! All the same, let's wait for the results! And what do you think the working model of replenishing the Russian army with scientists and programmers should look like? This is such a contingent that the army never particularly sought. Even in Soviet times, everyone had a military department there. These people do not want to waste their time on nonsense, they prefer to cram and nibble the granite of science. The train of thoughts they have is somewhere in the integrals, matrices, correlations, etc.
    And then, already at the age of 25, he enslaved himself and stood firmly in those positions that he still chose at the age of 18; he would not be lured into the army. his plane of interests is different. And if you lure, then such a scientist is infinitely far from the army and the flight of his thoughts is far from trenches and tanks.
    Here’s the actual calculation of the Ministry of Defense: young people with applied thinking will immediately get acquainted with the army realities, this is reflected in their inner world, finds points of intersection with already existing scientific knowledge, at the same time, the person does not miss years in vain, and continues to draw so much the scientific knowledge he needs, which he craves, like a beggar of bread. At the same time, the theme of the army was no longer far from steel for him, and here the output could be a contingent that is very necessary for our army:
    If Mendeleev would have been called in due time, it would have been
    fell asleep, woke up invented a brilliant thing for the army, instead of a system of elements!
    Well, beauty isn’t it ?. Why do you need iPhones?
    Shoigu is a hundred times better for young people to perplex by improving the characteristics and dimensions of rail guns or torpedoes, for example.
    1. S-200
      S-200 26 July 2013 16: 01 New
      +1
      Quote: z-exit
      Shoigu is a hundred times better for young people to perplex by improving the characteristics and dimensions of rail guns or torpedoes, for example.

      Yes, he can puzzle them at least a TRIP in TIME with sabotage goals ...
      and you imagine what these "scientists" (except for deep special) knowledge need, at least to improve the performance characteristics of the same torpedo? What laboratory and industrial base (+ testing ground) should be for ONE TOPIC only (and they are far from Moscow) ????
      Leading designers who have been torn apart for decades on the topic "do not want to improve", and the "scientists" recruits after the oath by the method of brainstorming - bang! and will do! belay
      I won’t be surprised if the scientific companies will mainly crush nano-water in nano-stupas ... laughing
      1. z-exit
        z-exit 26 July 2013 16: 29 New
        +1
        Let’s talk about people now, there’s no need to interfere in production facilities now, otherwise we’ll come with you to take off prices for chicken in the market.
        Now we are talking about people, not about laboratories and industrial bases. I think everyone understands that build laboratories and landfills.
        I am more than sure that this is clear to our MO.
        My post above was about working with youth - the key to future success. Without this work, all of these military laboratories and testing ranges you are writing about will be empty.
        Of course, questions of material and technical and production and testing bases for military scientists should and should be discussed, but nevertheless this topic is a little parallel to the article under discussion. So let's put off all this talk about the lab to another article that will more fully cover this certainly very important and specific topic. hi
        1. S-200
          S-200 27 July 2013 06: 18 New
          0
          Quote: z-exit
          build laboratories and landfills needed.

          "Everything is already stolen built to us! "(polygons, research institutes, etc.)
          Quote: z-exit
          My post above was about working with youth - the key to future success. Without this work, all of these military laboratories and testing ranges you are writing about will be empty.

          Believe Shoigu this excrement experiment with scientific companies ... fill them (research institutes, training grounds) with young, fresh and talented brains?
          God forbid!
          Only what results can we talk about if only a month has passed ???
          PR is golem!
          1. z-exit
            z-exit 29 July 2013 15: 07 New
            0
            Quote: S-200
            Only what results can we talk about if only a month has passed ???


            I absolutely agree that it is impossible to talk about any scientific results now. They are not and cannot be, maybe they will suck, however, from the finger. If you can find any results, it is only possible that the organizational plan, and even then it is doubtful that there may be reasons for boasting. And the results, I hope, will be in 10 years. Well, programmers can probably only blind. God forbid, I will be optimistic in this matter.
      2. z-exit
        z-exit 26 July 2013 16: 51 New
        0
        Quote: S-200
        and recruits- "scientists" after an oath of the brainstorming - bam! and DO!


        Why do you ask these people such a small time horizon? Here you give it right all at once. Failed to take a man oath immediately opening come on yes !? The main task. I wrote above, this is to send the scientific mind to a more applied channel - to the channel of army interests. The mere fact that a young scientist is familiar with the needs of the army is worth a lot. Why should he invent something right after the oath? The first echoes should be expected no sooner than after 7-10 years (with the exception of programmers - they can and faster). For most scientific discoveries, people generally go all their lives. Having left a scientific company, a person can remain in the field of interests of the army, do not you think?
        1. S-200
          S-200 27 July 2013 06: 29 New
          -1
          Quote: z-exit
          Having left a scientific company, a person can remain in the field of interests of the army, do not you think?

          Categorically - DO NOT EXCLUDE!

          Quote: z-exit
          The first echoes should be expected no sooner than after 7-10 years (with the exception of programmers - they can and faster).

          Excuse me, did you serve?
          If yes, then ...
          How many years have passed since then?
          If 7-10 or less, then ...
          What opening for the army have you already implemented?
          If implemented, then ...
          In which scientific company you served NN years ago ???
          PS The sensible people on this site are not indignant at the fact of the experiment with scientific companies, but at the moronic PRI process!
          Many see this as a service loophole for senior sons ...
          1. z-exit
            z-exit 29 July 2013 15: 25 New
            +1
            Quote: S-200
            Excuse me, did you serve?
            If yes, then ...
            How many years have passed since then?
            If 7-10 or less, then ...
            What opening for the army have you already implemented?
            If implemented, then ...
            What scientific company did you serve NN years ago ???
            PS The sensible people on this site are not indignant at the fact of the experiment with scientific companies, but at the moronic public relations process!
            Many see this as a service loophole for senior sons ...


            A scientific company is a new phenomenon, with all due respect, but my and your experience in army service will be different from the experience in serving these guys. After all, you also did not serve in the scientific company, right? As for me, I did not serve. Why am I an active commentator on this article? At the age of 16-18 I was just such a cramp. I already knew organic chemistry at the university level in the 8th grade, while my classmates did not even pass inorganic acids. He put a lot of experiments. I was fascinated by the chemistry of the explosion. I ate all the literature wherever I could find something about the chemistry of the explosion. He put experiments in his laboratory in the basement. He was also engaged in the electrolysis of substances, experiments with semiconductors, etc.
            Just as an obsessed non-human being, he sometimes craved knowledge in these areas. So how did it end? But nothing. He began to grow up and my strength began to go to other areas of life. First of all, a living wage. I will not sell explosives right? So over time, my ardor of heat in this area and went out.
            What I wanted to say, in my time there were no scientific companies. When I heard it, I immediately thought about such people, but if there were such hot guys like me, I would immediately for the trunk and to the scientific company. There I would try to immediately get on the specialization that interests me, I would find the necessary literature, study what is inaccessible to schoolchildren in the library: all kinds of devices for warheads of torpedoes, mines, shells, plastic explosives, gunpowder, blasting materials with capsules, etc.
            Here you have another plus of scientific companies - the ability to obtain specific, proprietary information. At the age of 18 I was very hungry for such information, I would have gnawed to the core. And now at 29 I don’t even know ... in the best case I would have flipped through quickly.
            With the filing of a scientific company, I could have devoted my whole life to this matter, that I would have thought something invented or optimized. (Naturally, not immediately after the oath smile )
      3. Joker
        Joker 26 July 2013 16: 52 New
        +1
        Leading designers who have been torn apart for decades on the topic "do not want to improve", and the "scientists" recruits after the oath by the method of brainstorming - bang! and will do!

        Aha)) The first wooden wheel was, there was nothing to improve wink Science does not stand still. If you have not noticed, the theories developed by scientists a hundred years ago and remaining unchanged, are gradually being supplemented and modernized to reflect scientific progress. And as you chuckle to write, just recruits and scientists are engaged in this, each generation brings to science something different. If you giggle like you, then it was possible to stop on the wooden wheel then, and that is so good, you can’t think of anything better.
        1. z-exit
          z-exit 26 July 2013 16: 57 New
          0
          +1, friend does not criticize constructively
          1. S-200
            S-200 27 July 2013 07: 12 New
            0
            Quote: z-exit
            not constructively criticize comrade

            Have you served in the army?
        2. Waroc
          Waroc 26 July 2013 23: 03 New
          +2
          And again, you move away from the topic of the note - the most typical Internet goblin trick - to reduce the wide-format task to a discussion of private, individual, often made-up examples - it’s not allowed !!! Do not confuse the times of the wheel and the times of nuclear physics - there are several different categories, there is no place for amateurs in nuclear physics - otherwise you will be the one who will shout about the insecurity of such investigations ... shit is an idea, but let us trust the work with practical experiments in this field geniuses from super SCIENTIFIC MOUTH - how do you like such a turn, because you are completely in favor.

          But I in no way want to participate in just a dumb otmazyvanie from normal service in the Army blatnenkih noisy upstarts !!!
          And do not dare to object - like, or maybe they really are future Einsteins, Curie, Lomonosovs ...
          They - for the time being - DO NOT REPRESENT ANYTHING - and have no right to be called "scientific" (at best - educational) companies, or "companies" - for they will not be able to defend the Homeland - majors, ё-mine ( ((
          1. S-200
            S-200 27 July 2013 07: 10 New
            0
            good hi
            How can temporary workers(forcibly called up!) to entrust some serious scientific topic and WHY ???
            A serious scientific topic for defense has decent funding, fully qualified scientific personnel, which you don’t need to “bring in” from the ground up!
            Well, it’s clear that “for your grandmothers — any whim, Sergey Kozhugetovich!” ... not a single research institute will refuse financial injections!
            but - FOR HORSE goat button accordion ??? -
            Attach sons in a warm place! for further advancement in public service ...
        3. S-200
          S-200 27 July 2013 07: 13 New
          0
          Quote: Joker
          The first wooden wheel was, there was nothing to improve. Science does not stand still. If you have not noticed, then theories developed by scientists a hundred years ago and remaining unchanged are gradually supplemented and modernized taking into account scientific progress. And as you chuckle write, it’s just the recruits who are scientists who are doing this, each generation brings something of its own to science. If you giggle like you, then you could and would stop on a wooden wheel then, but what’s good, you can’t imagine better.

          Have you served in the army?
    2. Waroc
      Waroc 26 July 2013 20: 45 New
      +1
      I apologize immediately for the intervention (((
      z-exit - well, think about it - boys are 18-20 years old ... Well, what a science for them and from them, let's be honest - that's when they prove their worth even in some kind of activity field useful for the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation - then it’s good neighing in a closed design bureau (so that the enemies do not recognize our scientific and military secrets).
      And the question here is not about the fact that some prodigies and other miracles that failed will pretend. that they will wash something away.

      LET THEY FIRST ARE PROVING ITSELF, AT LEAST THE MINIMAL USE OF THE COUNTRY, AND BECAUSE ONLY WE WILL TAKE THEM IN ACCORDANCE WITH SCIENTIFIC (hee-hee, regarding under-education - SCIENTIFIC) structures, but it’s not something with respect to such brilliant idiots - to their EXCELLENT LABOR as part of at least some scientific / design teams.

      Or maybe they nah ... x ... ren no one needs. And not because we, like, have a dictatorial regime, but simply because - they have not been taught anything (for starters) and are not able to: neither think, nor invent, nor defend the Homeland !!!
  • vadimN
    vadimN 26 July 2013 15: 22 New
    +2
    The first result is obvious - a surge of corruption, so that individual comrades can place their children in the dusty service.
    1. BARKAS
      BARKAS 26 July 2013 15: 37 New
      +2
      35 people also give me a surge, especially the dust-free service for their children is much easier to arrange or even grease in their hometown.
      1. military
        military 26 July 2013 15: 54 New
        +1
        Quote: BARKAS
        ... or even grease.

        this is in that situation, if the offspring is not "oriented" to the wretched what daddy in public service ...
  • Boot under the carpet
    Boot under the carpet 26 July 2013 15: 22 New
    +1
    The article was written by the author in order to at least write something! Scientific companies in the Russian army are a new system, and the new system must be debugged, sometimes even by trial and error. As the saying goes "Everything will be, but not immediately." Article minus!
    1. military
      military 26 July 2013 16: 52 New
      +3
      Quote: Boot under the carpet
      the new system must be debugged, sometimes even by trial and error.

      I recall the time of the "formation" of outsourcing ... was also presented with the sauce of the "new system" ... and even, very "promising" ... recourse
    2. Waroc
      Waroc 26 July 2013 20: 50 New
      +3
      A boot under the carpet - and you are going to debug brilliant collectives of newly arrived comrades every six months to depart for a room called - RESEARCH MOUTHES. THINK - THIS SOMETIMES IT IS USEFUL ...
    3. mehanik27
      mehanik27 26 July 2013 22: 27 New
      +2
      With the same admiration, the hamster on the site excitedly talked and discussed new products from Serdyukov
  • domokl
    domokl 26 July 2013 15: 25 New
    +3
    When I still had, in the author’s opinion, normal potential, I watched a cartoon. Mowgli is called. So there is a scene of hunting a pack of wolves ... A pack hunted, but Akela missed ... Why did I hit into memories ... A. So, Akela was the leader of a pack of wolves. The wolf led hunting wolves. Not jackals or tigers, but wolves.
    The team of scientists is also a pack ... A pack of wolves, panthers, anyone, but they are of the ONE species. And they hunt in vain, although Akela misses in case of failure ... It is impossible to artificially create a team of like-minded fans. It will turn out like in Krylov’s fable, a swan, cancer and pike.
  • Arabist
    Arabist 26 July 2013 15: 31 New
    +1
    It’s interesting that the children of the author also became academicians immediately after birth, or did they still have to be taught for several years?
  • krez-74
    krez-74 26 July 2013 15: 32 New
    +4
    Like that, about five years ago, taking my son to soccer training, we observed a situation with a familiar coach:A young coach, who was taken to sports school because of connections with someone, taught kids to kick the ball. What was the ball missing !!! The children had to introduce him at a point determined by the coach, and make a blow at him ... Watching from the side, we almost died of laughter! My friend used to play in the team of masters, I almost reached this level, I also trained myself - but never, we never saw anything like that ...
    This example is from this area!
    1. AleksUkr
      AleksUkr 26 July 2013 15: 51 New
      -2
      I don’t get it? Are you talking about the article? If YES, then everything is correct. No one can say for sure who the real students will be. A negative result is also a result. Not all of them will continue to work for the defense industry, but many may remain. And to use or not to use a scientist with a gun in his hands - it depends on the situation. During the war, the generals also had to defend their command post with automatic weapons in their hands or fight back against the erupted fascists. ARTICLE UNIQUE BIG MINUS.
      1. krez-74
        krez-74 26 July 2013 16: 12 New
        +6
        I just wanted to say that practice is everything! An accomplished scientist and promising specialist can be used, for example, in military needs (and in any other field), but you can’t take a person and say: you will be a scientist, you will be an astronaut, you will be a pope!
        This example of scientific companies, I consider utopia!
        1. Very old
          Very old 26 July 2013 16: 58 New
          +5
          A laudatory article was held on the site in this topic: Scientific company ... in the archive. Nonsense, I said, and I can still repeat it. The archive work for the accomplished scientist-historian, painstaking, corrosive; requiring self-sacrifice, patience, This work (not a service) is not for a 20-year-old. Madam Serdyuchka left an inheritance ...
          1. krez-74
            krez-74 26 July 2013 17: 42 New
            +2
            hi My Respect to you, Valentine!
            History, in particular, is a science to which one must relate very carefully and wisely! This is not for a young mind and perception! Young is too hot and too inexperienced in such things, and this, taking into account the troubles in politics and the "weather" in the yard, may in the future be expressed in a problem. Not a few examples!
            1. Very old
              Very old 26 July 2013 18: 06 New
              +3
              Fans of rewriting history - a dime a dozen. If you are preparing "scribes," do not wait for good.
        2. Ivan.
          Ivan. 26 July 2013 22: 31 New
          +1
          Quote: krez-74
          This example of scientific companies, I consider utopia!

          When I published the first article on this subject, I wrote that urgent service (drill, physical training, strict daily routine, initiative is punishable) and science (creativity, unpredictability, preference for a rich imagination rather than sobriety) are incompatible in modern realities. Then the following articles went and all the time the "tasks" of these scientists changed, as if they had decided to create them at first and only then they began to think and why to puzzle them. As a result, we argue, prove, and skin the unkilled bear. My opinion is that either Serdyukov is resting here or we don’t know something (for example, they say that 80% of talented graduates are employed in the West and this is just a way to limit the outflow) and therefore, until there is clarity with the tasks of these scientists, we will violently fantasize with the transition to personality. More relaxed than the tavarisches - among us there are such tavarisches that we are not at all tavarisches! yes joke wink
      2. AleksUkr
        AleksUkr 27 July 2013 16: 47 New
        0
        Gentlemen minus signers! What specifically didn’t you like? No need around the corner. Tell me directly.
  • 128mgb
    128mgb 26 July 2013 15: 33 New
    0
    Of course, why do we need scientific companies, over a whole month has passed and no results.
  • Stiletto
    Stiletto 26 July 2013 15: 37 New
    0
    It all depends on the mentors of these young scientists. If the study will be on the principle: "Do you have artists?" - There is! "Well, quickly draw a pile of firewood here", then the result will be appropriate. Guys would have to attach to the factories to the factories at the research institute and to the old masters, so that they would give them an assessment - it would be good or not. And then - a contract for those who can be allowed to “Proton”, and a demobilization for those who will go to managers in civilian life.
    1. Waroc
      Waroc 26 July 2013 20: 58 New
      0
      But in this case they don’t need to be part of the PROMISED SCIENTIFIC MOUTH - serve the term and go at least to the factory, research institute, in design bureau, but at least somewhere - if you can do anything and strive for at least something, you should go there road. But, explain to me, and here, such as SCIENTIFIC MOUTH?: ?? (((
  • agbykov
    agbykov 26 July 2013 16: 00 New
    0
    "It is believed that scientific companies can become an effective social elevator for young scientists, that the intellectual elite of Russian universities will be concentrated in them." - the author invented a chimera that did not correspond to real expectations from training companies, and tried to defeat it ...

    From the news: "March 11 of the Ministry of Defense decided to consider the possibility of creating a" scientific company "in the army, in which talented students together with teachers will carry out scientific and technical work in the interests of the military department.

    According to Defense Minister Sergei Shoigu, talented guys who, without leaving their universities, will work with teachers to do the work that the Ministry of Defense will order, will go to such units.

    “We are ready to finance the research and development work of such groups, but we can expect clear results from them, and not any fantasies. You are the first in line ... For the Ministry of Defense, such an initiative is not an easy decision, ”said Sergei Shoigu on Monday during a meeting with teachers and students of the Moscow State Technical University (MGTU) named after Bauman."

    See also http://www.ng.ru/armies/2013-07-05/2_roty.html
    1. Very old
      Very old 26 July 2013 17: 16 New
      +3
      It is believed that the issue was carefully thought out ... Mo. in the person of S. Shoigu expects results from them. Well, all of this is unrealistic. Good would be accomplished scholars, researchers, and certainly on a contract with full-fledged pay for valuable work and other support. For years, topics have been worked out. Draftee in the archive - Hurray!
    2. Ivan.
      Ivan. 26 July 2013 22: 46 New
      +2
      Quote: agbykov
      According to Defense Minister Sergei Shoigu, in such units will go serve the talented guys who, without leaving their universities, together with teachers, will carry out the work that the Ministry of Defense will order them.

      I really like it!
  • knn54
    knn54 26 July 2013 16: 01 New
    +4
    It was smooth on paper, but forgot about the ravines.
    - The result of the activity of scientific companies is already visible.
    There is no "hazing" and gloriously.
    -You can recall, for example, that such collectives were Soviet and American projects for the creation of atomic and hydrogen bombs.
    And where does the "sharashka" mean?
    PS "Reorganize" the Academy of Sciences; establish a company academy. Br Strugatsky rest ...
  • JonnyT
    JonnyT 26 July 2013 16: 12 New
    +5
    It is naive to believe that these scientific companies will participate in scientific research .......
    a company of clerks and "boys clasping in a PC" that’s all, maybe in the future - cryptographic programmers, UAV operators
  • Ezhaak
    Ezhaak 26 July 2013 16: 19 New
    +1
    And it’s easy to guess what the militants of scientific companies will do in military academies — chores and maintenance work on the educational process: sweep the parade ground, scrub floors, bring teaching aids into classes, wash flasks, etc.

    My precious Borya Sokolov, let's first wait for the demobilization from the first scientific company and ask him to tell about his service. And yet, who should scrub the deck and wash the flasks? Are the generals themselves?
    1. Waroc
      Waroc 26 July 2013 21: 12 New
      +2
      And let's, dear, Hedgehog, we will wait for the demobilization from the first scientific company and ask these graduates to tell how they did not sleep at night - invented chips for repetitive presentations at Microsoft Office Power Point - decent work to justify their meaningless existence.
  • kind
    kind 26 July 2013 16: 34 New
    +4
    And you can create a company of professional dancers, bartenders, and taxi drivers !!! negative
    1. S-200
      S-200 27 July 2013 07: 32 New
      0
      It seems to me that the next step will be to create ... MORAL Mouth !
      They are platooned, representatives of various religious faiths will pray to the Almighty on the XNUMX-hour guard-building to send the army of all blessings ... fellow
      I think that in terms of the effectiveness of their impact on the country's defense, they will soon be equal to the previously created scientific companies! wassat
  • leon-iv
    leon-iv 26 July 2013 16: 37 New
    +3
    If Che this one I will not be able to fight this word HOOT, namely the author -> author -> author BORIS SOKOLOV. He was a consultant to BARIN (aka Migalkov aka Mikhalkov) And for his cerebral diarrhea. In weary of the sun, we saw all this slag
    And the bomb and boobs and the shattering arrow of the Luftwaffe as well as the assault on the citadel with cuttings. And other brain excrement ....
    1. Joker
      Joker 26 July 2013 16: 58 New
      -2
      + laughing Again another governor with the aim of putting any initiative of the MoD questioned)) The author is probably Nostradamus, approaches the newborn and says, so this one will be a general, and this one will be an ensign, and this one will be a milkmaid. From the same opera.
      1. Waroc
        Waroc 27 July 2013 00: 31 New
        0
        Dear Joker - your recent opinion has been repeatedly argued refuted by many forum users - do not dare to be rude, at least to a moderator - this does not suit you (((
  • MIKHAN
    MIKHAN 26 July 2013 17: 00 New
    +1
    Company-by-company ..And here are Military schools of the type Information, cybersecurity .. well, something and where they have been studying for 5-6 years .. with all the ensuing restrictions, secrecy .. You’ve all gone under a cap .. Even if you are expelled in the first year. .
  • tank64rus
    tank64rus 26 July 2013 17: 29 New
    +3
    Interesting movie. At first, under Serdyukov, most of the military universities were dispersed. The results are obvious. In Moscow alone, about three thousand scientists were left out of work. Now they are trying to return part, but they do not go. People have already settled down, who are offended, etc. Now they are trying to shut up a huge hole in military science with students. It recalls 41 years when, near Vyazma, they lost the color of Soviet science. And at least someone would answer for all this.
  • kotvov
    kotvov 26 July 2013 17: 50 New
    +2
    another idiocy of senior management. some scientific companies. what can be done sensibly in 3 | 3 months. they would say we are looking for a genius. they will be sent away, and with a clear conscience to a citizen. bullshit these companies.
  • MIKHAN
    MIKHAN 26 July 2013 18: 25 New
    +1
    These companies are of course garbage .. (to put it mildly), but the idea is not bad only such nerds need to be trained for 5 = 6 years at least to make real cyber wars of UAV killers and all such Western bells and whistles .. And the main thing is that we have Russian Snowden didn’t appear .. Here is something I wanted to say so .. I think this problem is very relevant .. In China, there are definitely such and do not work badly ..
  • Andrey312
    Andrey312 26 July 2013 20: 56 New
    +3
    They will troll the opposition on the Internet for days and nights ....))) In general, it is too early to talk about the results. It is not clear what their range of tasks will be. The main thing is that it doesn’t work out that Shoigu said to dial - they dialed, but what to do with them is not clear. Scored for example 35 programmers, and where are there so many? Windows write? It seems to me that the set should be targeted, for specific tasks. And it would be nice if the task coincided with the topic of the thesis ... maybe then it would be a good idea ... But it may turn out that there is one deputy’s son, another mayor’s nephew .......
  • strannik-46
    strannik-46 26 July 2013 22: 35 New
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    Another stupid thing. For a year, an ordinary soldier really can’t teach anything good. But in science for this period and geniuses do not realize their capabilities.
  • pinecone
    pinecone 26 July 2013 23: 00 New
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    "Scientific companies". The name itself is ridiculous, previously unheard of and unprecedented. It is interesting who invented it and who was appointed commanders there.
  • yanus
    yanus 26 July 2013 23: 01 New
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    MO as always lives its own strange life.
    Large companies “feed” really talented students while studying with scholarships, “summer schools” and so on. At the end of their studies, they immediately take to themselves. Do not believe me - type in the search engine "Yandex and MO share programmers."
    In the provinces, traveling students even during their studies get a job for one and a half kopecks, and by the end they already have a normal resume and work. They are these companies ..
    And this is not only a situation for programmers.
    If a student does not try to get a job in his specialty while studying, then this is a useless creature.
    From the second year at a half-time, I worked at the VPK plant. Given the collapse of everything and everything at that time, I quit my job and study. In the army, the phrase I often heard was “you got drunk here.”
    But since the time of my semi-Soviet childhood, I had a good attitude towards the army and the military-industrial complex. Now the youth does not have this, the attitude to the army is lousy. Any educated and friendly head to head will easily solve the problem of not falling into the glorious ranks.
    Therefore, I’m even afraid to think about who is serving in “scientific companies” there.
  • Kolyan 2
    Kolyan 2 27 July 2013 12: 22 New
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    And it’s easy to guess what the militants of scientific companies will do in military academies — chores and maintenance work on the educational process: sweep the parade ground, scrub floors, bring teaching aids into classes, wash flasks, etc.

    Author You at least ask the personnel officers, now the cleaners are scrubbing the floors and mostly households. They are engaged in work, I don’t know about the parade ground 3 years ago, they cleaned it. The outfit is only for the company so that outsiders do not hang around and I do not want to meet the authorities.
  • Waroc
    Waroc 27 July 2013 13: 14 New
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    I apologize to all forum users, especially to Joker, I allowed bad attacks on the verge of a foul, and often beyond it (((Wait and see, and quarreling and cursing is not an option, especially since people gathered here are happy for the army and the country; and this, at least, is better than stupid indifference!
  • Ivanovich47
    Ivanovich47 27 July 2013 15: 22 New
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    Very little time has passed since the creation of scientific companies. Therefore, it is premature to draw any conclusions. Everyone understands that the implementation of this project was unfortunately hasty, without a thorough study of this issue. I spoke with military experts who were tasked with implementing the program for introducing these companies. They were unanimous: the haste to introduce scientific companies in the troops was unacceptable! By the way, higher educational institutions (academies, military institutes and higher schools) intensively conduct research and development work. So that the creation of the mouth at the Higher School of Education completely justified. And it will be possible to evaluate the effectiveness of the service of soldiers in scientific companies. after 2-3 years of their work
  • shiyanov.denis
    shiyanov.denis 27 July 2013 18: 00 New
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    I think a soldier in the army should understand, first of all, the military-political point of view of the army, and then test tubes and the like ...
    1. yanus
      yanus 29 July 2013 16: 44 New
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      Quote: shiyanov.denis
      I think a soldier in the army should understand, first of all, the military-political point of view of the army, and then test tubes and the like ...

      You have to enter the Red Book right. I thought all the political leaders had already died out .....
  • grafrozow
    grafrozow 27 July 2013 18: 38 New
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    It’s interesting, why not a scientific battalion or regiment? Another “company”? We have a lot of research institutes, they can’t cope with their task. What kind of materiel will scientific companies be provided with? And yet, who are the commanders of these companies, professors or academics? It seems to be a good idea, but somewhat reminds circles "skillful hands" at the houses of pioneers.