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The United States and the Russian Federation switched roles after the Cold War. Opinion "insider"

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The United States and the Russian Federation switched roles after the Cold War. Opinion "insider"In an interview with Golos Rossii, Paul Craig Roberts, deputy secretary of the treasury in the Reagan administration, said that the United States is ruled by "the government that came to power in a military coup."


Paul Craig Roberts - Former deputy editor-in-chief of The Wall Street Journal and one of the creators of Reaganomics. Earlier, he expressed the same radical point of view on his personal website. The Voice of Russia correspondent asked Mr. Roberts to comment on his statement.

- Do not you think that you use too strong expressions when talking about a coup d'état. We are used to having coups in other countries - in Latin America, in Africa. Formally, the current government in the United States was elected by the people. So what do you mean by a coup d'état — perhaps the inability of the last few American administrations to comply with the foundations of the US Constitution? Can you say so?

- Yes, you can say that. Since the beginning of the XXI century (the Bush and Obama administrations), the US president has ceased to be accountable to the law. He can no longer be held accountable for the fact that his actions do not comply with the US Constitution. Since then, we have not yet had a president who, if we were to observe the law, would not be subject to an impeachment procedure (dismissal).

All of our leaders since the beginning of this century have violated the constitution in all possible ways. Many of the provisions included in the basic law, such as the so-called Bill of Rights, have been declared inactive by the executive. Not by the legislature - it can complement and correct the constitution, but the executive. The provisions of the basic law were crossed out by simple presidential declarations. It turns out that the president assumes the role of a sort of Roman emperor, who declares himself no longer bound by the constitution. And whatever he wishes, everything goes without a hitch, without a hitch.

- Let us touch upon such issues as the legality of the National Security Agency’s programs for the secret supervision of citizens, the surveillance program called PRISM, the use of drones to eliminate persons suspected of terrorism, including American citizens.

- These are individual cases of violation of the constitution. It gives a person the right to privacy, his private space can not be subjected to the invasion of others. The exceptions are those cases where a person is suspected of having committed a crime and the court allowed him to follow him.

But now everyone in the world can be eavesdropped and peeped - this is something like carpet bombing when it covers everyone. Not only Americans, but also Russians, and residents of Western Europe.

But you can't suspect everyone. We must go to court and say: "We suspect such a particular person in such a specific criminal act, we would like to receive a court order to listen to his phone, view his e-mail and so on." But what does the US National Security Agency want to do instead like the East German "Stasi" office? It wants to listen to all citizens, whatever means of communication they use. This is against the constitution.

The old rule protecting a person from arrest is also violated - habeas corpus. According to this rule, the government cannot simply arrest a person and hold him in prison for an indefinite amount of time. If a person is arrested, within a short period of time representatives of the state should come to court and explain why they should be kept behind bars. A judge may release him on bail or without bail, but in any case he must be inside the judicial system, and the rules of procedure must be respected with him.

From the people of Bush, and then Obama, we heard the following: “No, we don’t have to respect habeas corpus. We can take anyone we want anywhere in the world and throw this person in jail. And tell no one where this person is and what evidence against him. " But this is a violation! However, Obama went further than Bush. He can "not only throw a person in jail, but also kill him - just on suspicion that he has done something bad." This president says: I do not need special evidence against you, because there is no legal process. I'll just send the "flying killer" —the drone or Hellfire rocket — and destroy you.

His people make lists of the people they are about to kill. All this - the offense punishable by impeachment. If Reagan, Nixon or Carter, or even Bill Clinton had fallen on this, they would be immediately impeached.

“But then, did Bill Clinton be impeached?”

- Yes, he was condemned by the House of Representatives for having sex with a young woman, but the Senate did not support this accusation. This is what happens in the US: you can arrest people without a warrant, kill them - and nothing will happen. But in no case can not start an affair with a young woman. And Congress will see to it that this does not happen.

- It seems that Congress neglects a number of its powers to supervise the executive branch. He refused the duty to give the president permission to use military force. What is it, why does the famous American system of checks and balances fail? Or does the Obama administration, following the Bush administration, simply very broadly understand the powers that these administrations gave Congress earlier?

- Congress refuses its authority because it is simply intimidated. He is afraid of. The so-called war on terror gave the executive power the opportunity to simply push the other two branches of power behind unnecessary.

As if in the courts or in Congress they are trying to object to the executive, they are immediately accused of complicity with terrorism. If the congressman does not allow so-called anti-terrorism laws to keep Americans safe, then he is immediately accused of being on the side of the terrorists. And if the judge prohibits the use of any of the measures, they simply find the judge a rank higher, which makes the decision they need.

In the US, there are three levels of judges - district judges, district, federal judges. And all these ministers of the law have ambitions, they all want to move higher - to the next level. If you persist, lobbyists of this or that illegal practice will simply find a superior judge, and you will remain without promotion. And the judges learned: if you want to go upstairs, do what the executive branch wants. So now we are seeing how easy it turned out for the executive to wipe two other branches off the political map.

- Judges in the United States are appointed by the president, and then their candidacies are approved by Congress. Many of these judges have political ambitions. And obedience usually comes with a reward. In your statement on the Internet, you report lawyers by the name of John Yu and Jay Scott Beibi. These lawyers received warm offices because, as you write, “they gave the democratically elected president to become Caesar” - provided a legal justification for some dubious Bush initiatives . John Yu became a professor at the University of California at Berkeley. Baibi became a federal judge in the appellate court in the Ninth Circuit. Does it mean that those who play this game receive awards?

- Yes, these people argued that the President of the United States could not torture anyone in the United States, that these actions do not fall under American law or the Geneva Convention. By their actions, they untied the hands of the government to create torture prisons. And both of them awarded. But those who opposed these decisions or made them publicly known — all these people are allegedly persecuted by law.

- Yes, and here you can remember Snowden. Now he is likely to receive temporary asylum in Russia. How do you feel about this reversal of the roles of the Cold War? After all, once, on the contrary, the USA gave asylum to those who disagree, and the USSR sought their extradition. How did it happen that everything became the other way around?

“I think it happened because home-grown Nazis appeared in the United States, called neo-cons there.” I think they would have perfectly survived in the highest echelons of power of the Third Reich, in Nazi Germany. They came up with such a theory that after the collapse of socialism, the United States in the world simply has no alternative. This situation supposedly makes the United States a necessary country around the world, a nation without which the world simply will not do. That is why this country has the right to impose its will on the whole world. Meanwhile, in the former Soviet Union, a completely different process began. There, after all the troubles of the Soviet people decided that they were tired of tyranny and irresponsible government. The Russians decided to become different. And so it turns out that today the United States is a tyrannical country, and Russia is trying to be guided by the law.

There was such a Hungarian cardinal Jozsef Mindszenty. He was put in prison under the fascist government, and when the Communists came to power in Hungary, he was again arrested as the head of the Catholic Church of Hungary and sentenced to him in 1949-year — life imprisonment. He was liberated by the Hungarian revolution of 1956. When the revolution was suppressed with the help of Soviet troops, Mindszenty took refuge in the territory of the US embassy in Budapest and sought refuge there, in the manner of Assange in our time. So, Mindszenty lived in this embassy for 15 for years, because the pro-Soviet government of Hungary did not allow him to freely travel to a country that was ready to shelter him. He left only in 1971. Now the US is doing the same with Julian Assange and with Edward Snowden. So where is the world evil now? Now it turned out to be in Washington.

- But how can you still talk about a coup in the United States? After all, there they elect a president - every four years, a congress - every two years. On what level did the American political system slip? Why does the end result look more like a usurpation than a responsible government?

- Under Stalin, people also voted and elected someone there. But the government and the CPSU from this did not become responsible to the people. In the US, the same thing happens today - the state system is not responsible to the citizens. There are six powerful groups that express the interests of powerful lobbies - the military-industrial complex, agribusiness, and others. They write the laws that the congress simply approves, and the president signs them, giving them the force of law.
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  1. Stiletto
    Stiletto 26 July 2013 15: 33 New
    -14
    I looked at this old lane ... um. Pepper. Well, you have a mug, Sharapov!
    1. Canep
      Canep 26 July 2013 16: 44 New
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      If a Reagan administration official writes about America that it is evil, then I have no words at all. It seems the Americans have come.
      1. Geisenberg
        Geisenberg 27 July 2013 02: 03 New
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        Quote: Canep
        If a Reagan administration official writes about America that it is evil, then I have no words at all. It seems the Americans have come.


        Yes, apparently the matter went much further than could be judged by the newspapers. It seems the world has come and soon something will crash with a crash.
    2. nycsson
      nycsson 26 July 2013 18: 18 New
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      I read the title of the article! wassat Laughing out loud! laughing
    3. omsbon
      omsbon 26 July 2013 18: 53 New
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      Quote: Stiletto
      Well, you have a mug, Sharapov!

      It’s not the erysipelas, but Sharapov’s right words!
  2. Russ69
    Russ69 26 July 2013 15: 37 New
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    - Under Stalin, people also voted and elected someone there. But the government and the CPSU from this did not become responsible to the people. In the US, the same thing happens today - the state system is not responsible to the citizens. There are six powerful groups that express the interests of powerful lobbies - the military-industrial complex, agribusiness, and others. They write the laws that the congress simply approves, and the president signs them, giving them the force of law.

    Sane people in Russia have been talking about this for a long time, and finally in America they have begun to see clearly. With all their vaunted democracy, an egg is not worth it.
  3. krez-74
    krez-74 26 July 2013 15: 38 New
    +8
    Article minus! I liked the name of the author, or rather the second part of the name!
    And if on the topic, then in no way have we switched places! The United States, as it was a lying country, remains so. It is degenerating and is heading for its collapse. Russia was on the verge of this, thanks to the United States and its proteges, but by God's will, this fate has passed Russia, and we are becoming a strong and pragmatic Power!
    1. Ulan
      Ulan 26 July 2013 18: 15 New
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      I also believe that the United States has not changed at all. It is just that they used to disguise themselves and try to give them good looks, but today they have come to the surface. The states have felt complete impunity and no longer consider it necessary to hide their true face and nature.
      They had such surges before, it’s enough to recall the “witch hunt”, and today it has become a constancy.
      I do not wish evil to the American people, but ... "Carthage must be destroyed."
    2. kartalovkolya
      kartalovkolya 27 July 2013 07: 10 New
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      I join your conclusion, but let me say that there is a lot of positive in the article, and who changed places with whom is the author’s PR. And of course putting Russia on a par with the vile and deceitful Amer’s "democracy" is at least incorrect. We're just nobody they didn’t bomb that way, but they’re already half the world. The main thing seems to me that the people are gradually seeing in the states and even our ardent opponents.
  4. eplewke
    eplewke 26 July 2013 15: 40 New
    +5
    Well, the man is telling the truth ... Only now he will never be shown on CNN. And this truth will remain only 1 percent of the US thinking population.
    1. Stiletto
      Stiletto 26 July 2013 15: 49 New
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      The concepts of truth with us in the Western world are very different now. When they protect gay cattle, they also tell the truth. In their understanding. Problems with them, in the ranks of doubt and betrayal around? Well, sincerely happy for them. We have already gone through this, including thanks to the help of The Wall Street Journal. Now let the Americans themselves feel all the charm of the “wind off changer” in their own skin.
  5. aksakal
    aksakal 26 July 2013 15: 44 New
    +6
    In principle, close to the fact that we are in the States, there are, of course, controversial issues, but here it is clear that he is American and argues in Amer’s style, especially about Stalin, but in general it is very close to how we see the situation with the States. comrades, local Jews, begin to defend the States, start throwing poop at the author of the Sabbath, because "he is incompetent and generally bribed by the DPRK power" Let's at least have fun today. And then the silence of the lambs.
  6. APASUS
    APASUS 26 July 2013 15: 48 New
    +5
    Americans become hostages of a situation that they themselves have created!
    Observing the law do not hold leverage !!
  7. Natalia
    Natalia 26 July 2013 15: 49 New
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    Russia today is much more adept at playing democracy than the United States. America has recently been violating its own rules, while publicly staring impudently declares: "Yes we are" ... all things. In the United States now (and in other matters, as always), there is a certain party in the form of directors and heads of major corporations that promote their interests while using the capabilities of such a superpower as the United States.
    Therefore, America is now moving from the legal field to open rudeness, because playing by the rules leads to defeat. And it becomes clear to everyone that there is no democracy there, there is no freedom of speech, and there are no principles there.
    .... and this is not just total drying out, and arming terrorists for the benefit of the wealthy segments of the US population.
    1. nycsson
      nycsson 26 July 2013 18: 24 New
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      Quote: Natalia
      Russia today is much more adept at playing democracy than the United States.

      What can Russia get at the moment? request
      Quote: Natalia
      America has recently been violating its own rules, while publicly staring impudently declares: "Yes we are" ... all things.

      Right! They saw everyone in the grave! laughing
      Quote: Natalia
      there is a certain party in the form of directors and heads of major corporations that promote their interests while using the capabilities of such a superpower as the United States.

      The world government is called! laughing
      Quote: Natalia
      Therefore, America is now moving from the legal field to open rudeness,

      If we had an army like in the USA, we would be rude too. Now whoever is stronger is right! The law of the jungle! wink
  8. Alexanderlaskov
    Alexanderlaskov 26 July 2013 16: 13 New
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    The United States spit on any truth. It is useless for them to speak, as well as their European non-traditional friends.
  9. pa_nik
    pa_nik 26 July 2013 16: 23 New
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    Quote: Natalia
    Russia today is much more adept at playing democracy than the US


    somehow laughing
  10. ksan
    ksan 26 July 2013 16: 40 New
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    start defending the States, start throwing poop at the author of the Sabbath, because "he is incompetent and generally bribed by the DPRK authorities" Let's at least have fun today. And then the silence of the lambs. No, not Koreans, it’s rather the Russians “bought it with giblets”, “Putin’s spy”, this interview (or part of it) was shown on RT laughing
  11. Yuri Y.
    Yuri Y. 26 July 2013 17: 17 New
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    Quote: Natalia
    America has recently been violating its own rules, while publicly staring impudently declares: "Yes we are" ... all things.

    I completely agree. The politics of theirs has always been what it is now (one 1st world worth). The rules and circumstances, for them, existed and were created only to cover and motivate their actions.
    Now it’s just an open box, for example a test tube with powder.
  12. Rattenfanger
    Rattenfanger 26 July 2013 17: 27 New
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    home-grown Nazis appeared in the USA, who are called neoconservatives there. I think they would have taken root perfectly in the highest echelons of power of the Third Reich, in Nazi Germany.

    I really, really want to write on the dilapidated wall of a building on Capitol Hill the same thing that my great-grandfather wrote on the Reichstag- "I am satisfied with the inspection of the ruins."
  13. shinobi
    shinobi 26 July 2013 18: 15 New
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    Oh how! Well, if such dinosaurs started talking about fascism of America, the scribe is already here! belay
  14. Alexanderlaskov
    Alexanderlaskov 26 July 2013 18: 47 New
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    Quote: Rattenfanger
    home-grown Nazis appeared in the USA, who are called neoconservatives there. I think they would have taken root perfectly in the highest echelons of power of the Third Reich, in Nazi Germany.

    I really, really want to write on the dilapidated wall of a building on Capitol Hill the same thing that my great-grandfather wrote on the Reichstag- "I am satisfied with the inspection of the ruins."

    Well said. These Americans play out.
  15. pinecone
    pinecone 26 July 2013 22: 39 New
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    Quote: Canep
    If a Reagan administration official writes about America that it is evil, then I have no words at all. It seems the Americans have come.


    An official of a rather high rank, after all, is the former deputy minister of finance, and not the treasurer of the mutual assistance cash desk.
  16. Standard Oil
    Standard Oil 26 July 2013 23: 13 New
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    Do not throw a stone, but not the States and the USSR have exchanged places, but a comparison of the United States with Rome after its victory over Carthage, that is, is more suitable. A terrible slack and star sickness, yes there was enlightenment when a meticulous adversary like Decebal or Mithridates appeared, but with all due respect they did not reach the greatness of Carthage, Carthage and the USSR generally have a lot in common, just a lot of horror, those who know the story will understand what I .Like the United States of Rome, they overslept the emergence of danger in the East, became as fat and clumsy as the late Romans, lost their dynamics and passion, if according to Gumilev. The virus that destroyed the USSR spread to a triumphant winner and grew and matured all these 20 years, some especially the perspicacious American Poles felt danger, but could not diagnose the disease in any way and rush about as a student of a medical university in their first practice, the patient seems to be dying but for some reason it is not clear. Of course, you can ask the old and wise professor, but it’s kind of frustrating that we can clearly see from Russia , Americans do not notice point-blank. The main thing is that in convulsions of dying rabies, Americans do not start to wet everyone, l don’t get to anyone. We just have to watch the last part of the tragedy called the decline and destruction of the Roman Empire, oh, excuse the American empire, and bring flowers to the grave, the next "millennium" hegemon. The paradox is that Russia, even after suffering defeat, remains a Great Power , unlike the "thousand-year-old" Roman, Byzantine, German, British, I
    Japanese, French, Spanish and other other empires soaring and collapsing in the UG, maybe this is why they hate us so much?
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  18. ratuld
    ratuld 27 July 2013 10: 33 New
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    We live about ten years.
    I think that we will rest in Hawaii.
    to fish and live in Alaska.
    For business, ride to California at Fort Ross.
    And no amers will be there.
    NEVER.
    It will be so. Amen.
  19. darksoul
    darksoul 27 July 2013 19: 19 New
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    Quote: ratuld
    We live about ten years.
    I think that we will rest in Hawaii.
    to fish and live in Alaska.
    For business, ride to California at Fort Ross.
    And no amers will be there.
    NEVER.
    It will be so. Amen.


    It sounds very real and inspiring, I agree laughing ..... and where are the Chinese in the afternoon?
    1. dustycat
      dustycat 28 July 2013 13: 11 New
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      Quote: darksoul
      It sounds very real and inspiring, I agree laughing ..... and where are the Chinese in the afternoon?

      Where are they now building the road through Central Asia - to Africa.
  20. shpuntik
    shpuntik 27 July 2013 19: 51 New
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    I feel that the next US president will walk in a skirt. Perhaps Hillary, but not a fact, can be more attractive and younger to find: like Sarah Palin.
    Well, the next one: Sodomy, a gay veteran, a veteran of the Iraq war. Maybe I'm wrong, and simple hard working Americans will rectify the situation and overthrow the government.
  21. danielb
    danielb 28 July 2013 16: 08 New
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    I have not discovered anything new for myself in this article.