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"Topol" go on a patrol route

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In the Strategic Missile Forces (RVSN), work is underway to increase the time spent on the combat patrol routes of the Topol, Topol-M and Yars mobile ground-based missile systems from 20 days to a month. This was reported to Interfax by the deputy head of the combat training department of the Strategic Missile Forces, Colonel Gennady Krasko. According to him, for these purposes, issues of material and technical support of the missile units are being worked on while they are in field positions. “Various introductory in the fields are worked out by the units providing and protecting the Strategic Missile Forces, in particular, they will equip field depots for the first time: engineering ammunition, missile and artillery weapons, fuel and lubricants, food and clothing,” said Krasko. In turn, the spokesman for the press service and information department of the RF Ministry of Defense on the Strategic Missile Forces, Colonel Igor Yegorov, said that more than 30% of missile regiments and support and security units are in high alert and fulfill the tasks of maintaining and maintaining and combat support in field positions.


Missile regiments armed with mobile Topol, Topol-M and Yars mobile ground-based missile systems work out withdrawal operations for field positions, engineering terrain training, organization of combat escort and camouflage. It should be noted that the latter task is carried out quite thoroughly, since it provides a covert extension of the complexes to the starting positions and the ability to make sudden launches for the enemy’s observation vehicles.

In July, more than 20 were planned with missile units and strategic rocket forces, and in the summer period of training - around 100 tactical training events. Among them - conducting tactical exercises and exercises with rocket regiments and rocket divisions, as well as a number of command-staff trainings and command-staff exercises with missile formations under the leadership of the commander of the Strategic Missile Forces.
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  1. pa_nik
    pa_nik 25 July 2013 10: 27 New
    19
    Good luck! hi
  2. Starover_Z
    Starover_Z 25 July 2013 10: 33 New
    +6
    To such news - only PLUS!
    As someone already said on the site, you can now sleep peacefully!
    1. Arberes
      Arberes 25 July 2013 10: 46 New
      11
      Three "TOPOLES" have already been seen on Plyushchikha!
      In general, it’s nice to watch the ARMY flexing its muscles!
      We are pleased, but the "partners" are anxious and this makes it even more pleasant!
  3. tilovaykrisa
    tilovaykrisa 25 July 2013 10: 43 New
    +2
    It’s possible to sleep, but all the same, one eye should be kept on the enemies.
  4. il grand casino
    il grand casino 25 July 2013 10: 59 New
    +4
    I will not be new in my statement, but "do not be ashamed of your complexes"
    1. Sea snake
      Sea snake 25 July 2013 11: 18 New
      15
      That's right! smile

      1. Very old
        Very old 25 July 2013 12: 20 New
        +4
        Still on the "iron" restore!
    2. Arberes
      Arberes 25 July 2013 11: 20 New
      +4
      Quote: il grand casino
      I will not be new in my statement, but "do not be ashamed of your complexes"

      Bravo Maestro !!! good
      Let me develop your thought?
      Such complexes need not be shy, but also often show more often that they would see and understand how we are "notorious" !!! hi
    3. fzr1000
      fzr1000 25 July 2013 11: 22 New
      +2
      Narcissism is not always a vice.
  5. Bashkaus
    Bashkaus 25 July 2013 11: 58 New
    +7
    Vague doubts torment me: it is one thing to conduct large-scale exercises and quite another
    more than 30% of missile regiments and support and security units are in high alert
    Looking at the frequent sudden exercises, the increase in the combat readiness of the Strategic Missile Forces, it seems that the country is at the stage of hidden mobilization - it’s sad (
    1. Muadipus
      Muadipus 25 July 2013 12: 52 New
      +7
      Looking at the frequent sudden exercises, the increase in the combat readiness of the Strategic Missile Forces, it seems that the country is at the stage of hidden mobilization - it’s sad (
      I will give only a couple of high-profile phrases: "Do you want peace, get ready for war!" and "Better to retake than not finish!"
      1. Colonel
        Colonel 25 July 2013 15: 25 New
        +5
        Vague doubts torment me
        Do not worry. Just back to what it was. To 1994, inclusive, they were on duty in the field for 30 days. A week in the SSBG (i.e., the entire regiment) and three weeks on duty. Since then I do not like winter forest, and in summer - beauty, even with mosquitoes. wink
        1. leon-iv
          leon-iv 25 July 2013 15: 36 New
          -1
          Since then I do not like winter forest, and in summer - beauty, even with mosquitoes.

          I recommend bushcraft-ru.livejournal.com/ there is a lot of useful information about life in the forest and how to make it comfortable.
          And I advise you to buy mosquito traps for the unit, although it will not kill everyone, but it will reduce the number well.
  6. AVV
    AVV 25 July 2013 11: 58 New
    0
    Good luck to Poplar, so that only fluff flew from a potential enemy!
  7. Gorchilin
    Gorchilin 25 July 2013 12: 16 New
    -17
    They won’t go far. In fact, the mobility of this thing is very controversial. Extremely small resource, a high center of gravity, limited patency. They can ride, in fact, in one sandbox, and EVERYTHING will be destroyed in the very first minutes of the war.

    Silos were really tenacious, they withstood enormous pressure, they literally had to be gnawed from the ground. Really elusive - BZHRK (now cut).

    Well, a separate moment, such a carcass on the march is extremely vulnerable, from anything. Starting with shock drones, ending with ATGMs like a Jewelin, or even just a large-caliber sniper rifle. Well, a self-respecting country, a potential adversary, will certainly come across remotely controlled minefields on possible patrol routes. It is impossible to identify them before use.

    Special consideration should be given to the tenderness of the rocket. Solid fuel and non-renewable resource, any violation of the temperature regime - the fuel goes into an unpredictable state.
    1. tilovaykrisa
      tilovaykrisa 25 July 2013 12: 21 New
      10
      This is said in you, dear envy, you just don’t have poplars or yars or other interesting toys, only 2000 obsolete tanks and they will most likely go for scrap, Topol were developed at the very height of the Cold War, back in the USSR and all these nuances about which you wrote laid in TK from the army and everything was answered in the form of finished products.
      1. Gorchilin
        Gorchilin 25 July 2013 12: 32 New
        -8
        Let's not translate this into stupid personal showdowns. That is for you in books, I held on to this iron with my hands, had the appropriate tolerances and obligations to the country.

        Poplar - garbage, cracker. When he spoke about this, there the people were simply raging. Once in the newspaper ordered to be proud, let’s let the bubbles go!

        Not so long ago, the Russian Defense Ministry also recognized that dozarez needs an ICBM with a rocket engine. True, they will do it not on the basis of 36 cars, but on 18 (hundreds). They will try to make it somewhat modern. Controversial for two reasons. Firstly, it is initially worse, and secondly, in the light of the latest technical construction projects, there is every chance not to bring to mind.
        1. tilovaykrisa
          tilovaykrisa 25 July 2013 12: 43 New
          14
          No offense, but what a situevina it turns out, I also clung to these as you call "pieces of iron" with my hands, to put it in your own language, I drove a lot of them and my opinion is completely different from yours. And there is nothing personal, it’s extremely difficult to catch a camouflaged ICBM on the route or in the parking lot, covering the air defense will not allow drones to host the sky, but what about the song in general, were you going to mine? 200km of the expected route? and sorry in what way? from airplanes chtoli, snipers on trees plant, and special forces teleport for a bump with a javelin? It’s right, it’s even funny to hear such speeches from a person who, as he says, “Hold onto the glands”.
          1. Gorchilin
            Gorchilin 25 July 2013 12: 52 New
            -12
            What 200 kilometers, what are you talking about ?! This kyrogas will not enter public roads, and patrol routes in a closed zone simply cannot be tightly guarded.

            On the route to find this miracle is a trifling matter, a large carcass, a powerful engine. Yes, he screams about himself! As for parking, for your reference, modern satellite reconnaissance tools record a change in height of several centimeters. If you cover with ten camouflage nets, you will also throw branches with it, then only calm yourself.

            And another such moment. I bet that the relevant equipment and special groups are already in Russia. While there is equipment and a few people, the rest of the group will come up at the right time. It goes without saying.
            1. fzr1000
              fzr1000 25 July 2013 14: 03 New
              +8
              And another such moment. I bet that the relevant equipment and special groups are already in Russia. While there is equipment and a few people, the rest of the group will come up at the right time. It goes without saying.

              I will not go over to personality, but this is just nonsense.
              1. Gorchilin
                Gorchilin 25 July 2013 14: 57 New
                -11
                Rave? Well, try to determine the value of your moronic commentary on this simple test:
                http://blog.i.ua/user/2661780/360143

                That is, you are simply not up to date.

                Remember, and better write down- ALWAYS intelligence agencies concentrate their efforts around the most dangerous and critical points for the state. It is known from history that during the world wars, EVERY port (then the ports were critically dangerous) contained enemy spies and saboteurs. Despite the very active efforts of the authorities. And a series of suspicious explosions on the most powerful ships (such as Empress Maria) is clear evidence of this.

                Nuclear weapons pose a mortal danger to the United States, it would be surprising if there were no spies and saboteurs in the area. It is unlikely in the unit itself, but among the local population, by all means. And weapons caches.

                Only a person with a moronic look at life and pink snot can be sure that, for example, the KGB did not have caches with weapons and explosives in the United States.
            2. tilovaykrisa
              tilovaykrisa 25 July 2013 14: 24 New
              +6
              Of course, you excuse me, but I come to the conclusion that you only held on to the "glands"
              1.MBR go on combat duty to the expected area, on the territory of this area in a difficult rugged, wooded area laid dirt roads, and in some places and concrete slabs roads, on which there are really no signs)) intersections of secondary roads and, in extreme cases, highways are possible. For example, in Belarus during the USSR, the route of such an area was 200 km.
              2. The senior officer receives information about the route of movement immediately before going on patrol and it is top-secret, in case of need (extreme) he can go to the alternate route. From here I ask that you were going to mine? 200km of dirt roads?
              3. Supermega satellites, of course, can detect a disguised ICBM, but it will not be 5-10 minutes from the moment of detection when I "rode" these pieces of iron that everyone knew perfectly well the time the satellites passed over the controlled area and nothing prevented from changing their position after it I think since then little has changed.
              4. I wrote earlier about the perimeter, which is set to ensure security, I assure you that closer than 400-500 meters, you simply will not come to the complex, you will be discovered and destroyed, the areas will be patrolled before the mbr will reach them, intelligence also does not sit still, well, what groups mishandled? Did they come in 10 people with trunks and register in a village on the border of the district? Well then, they won’t spend long there.

              You’ll forgive me once more, but you’re reasoning like amateurish, after talking with my former colleagues who didn’t leave the service, I found out that drones were taken into service with the Strategic Missile Forces, and they weren’t just accepted, and they were delivered on time, what do you think why?

              The United States never planned to destroy our ICBMs with the help of the DRG, there is a concept adopted by them which clearly spells out the preemptive strike by cruise missiles strictly at their basing places, full-time, that is, parking lots. they rated this 2 stages with a total of 2500 cruise missiles, and then notice that when destroying 90-% leash, the rest is being built.
              1. Gorchilin
                Gorchilin 25 July 2013 15: 04 New
                -10
                1. Well, you see, you yourself write that the patrol area is extremely limited geometrically

                2. If there is one road with three forks, I assure you, there are few options

                3. For your reference, during the withdrawal of Soviet troops from Eastern Europe, NATO observed the movers, for example, using automatic reconnaissance devices. Sensors recorded a magnetic field, vibration, this gave a completely reliable picture of the movement of troops as a whole. Today, the capabilities of such devices have grown many times, it is almost impossible to detect them.

                4. A winged missile is not quite suitable. She flies for a long, very long, too long. Most likely, there will be an SLBM strike - short time, high accuracy. And an almost complete guarantee of the destruction of these hippos and their routes.

                The problem is different, in shortcomings. Suddenly someone is very lucky, and he will survive at the moment of impact. But against them we need COMs (specially trained men). Everything can be even simpler - climbed a tree and it is clear where the ICBM is being prepared for launch. He gave the coordinates to the mortars or he fired from a large-caliber rifle by what sticks out. Well, the end of the matter.

                By the way, they have a mortar mine from 120-ka for 17 kilometers flies and falls into a pole.
                1. tilovaykrisa
                  tilovaykrisa 25 July 2013 15: 07 New
                  +6
                  Forgive me Generously, because of my ignorance, I can’t explain to a blind man from birth what the sunrise looks like, then we’ll finish.
                  1. Luger
                    Luger 26 July 2013 08: 00 New
                    +3
                    Citizen, your opponent simply trolls you. He wants, so to speak, in a laid-back dispute to pull out from you changes in the system of patrolling and deploying Topol. All that was before December 2012, the foreign intelligence services knew that it wasn’t quite right now, and considering that your “comrade” didn’t stop serving your homeland, it’s worth arguing with you and listening to you. Our brothers, Slavs with a yellow-black flag, have already shown themselves in all their glory even in the well-known events of 08.08.08/XNUMX/XNUMX. What I urge you to do ... WATCH!
                    1. Gorchilin
                      Gorchilin 26 July 2013 10: 38 New
                      -3
                      At the expense of the events of 08, you need to broaden your horizons.

                      The participation of some political forces in this scam by Ukraine led to a severe political crisis. In the coming months and years, ALL involved in those events left public positions. This put an end to their career, starting with the then president.

                      We have such a country, people can influence power, if the president - it can be changed. It may be difficult for you to understand
                2. leon-iv
                  leon-iv 25 July 2013 15: 07 New
                  +3
                  By the way, they have a mortar mine from 120-ka for 17 kilometers flies and falls into a pole.

                  10,5 km AWP if
                  1. Gorchilin
                    Gorchilin 25 July 2013 15: 32 New
                    -7
                    http://topwar.ru/18810-sovershenstvovanie-120-mm-minometov.html

                    The U.S. Marine Corps ordered the first 42 120-mm PERM mortar (Precision Extended Range Munition - long-range precision munitions). They have a firing range of about 17 kilometers and a built-in guidance system providing accuracy of hit of about 20 meters.

                    "if needed"
                3. Thunderbolt
                  Thunderbolt 25 July 2013 15: 53 New
                  +3
                  Quote: Gorchilin
                  Suddenly someone is very lucky, and he will survive at the moment of impact. But against them we need COMs (specially trained men). Everything can be even simpler - climbed a tree and it is clear where the ICBM is being prepared for launch. He gave the coordinates to the mortars or he fired from a large-caliber rifle by what sticks out. Well, the end of the matter.
                  And you didn’t take into account that if the Specially Trained Man climbs a tree, then a Russian bear will be waiting for him, who will enjoy honey from the hollow wassat wassat wassat ? If not, while the plan for a synchronized-sudden strike is being canceled. Pentagon hawks learn materiel, Russian bears do not retreat from their gastronomic habits soldier
            3. leon-iv
              leon-iv 25 July 2013 14: 42 New
              +1
              ! This kyrogas will not enter public roads, and patrol routes in a closed zone simply cannot be tightly guarded.

              They are what religion forbids. So then the question is how did the Teikov Training go to the venue of the parade?

              For your reference, modern satellite reconnaissance systems record a change in height of several centimeters. If you cover with ten camouflage nets, you will also throw branches with it, then only calm yourself

              Gyy, and there’s no satellites flight schedule))) And the special building drank all the shovels and didn't set up shelters)))
              While there is equipment and a few people, the rest of the group will come up at the right time. It goes without saying.

              Yeah, only poplars will no longer be there. No one has canceled the dispersal))
              1. Gorchilin
                Gorchilin 25 July 2013 15: 11 New
                -8
                1.No, there are other restrictions. To begin with, a props and dummies rode to the parade. We drove along the routes specially equipped for the parade.

                An ordinary road looks different. Bridges of limited carrying capacity come across on it, wires hang above it, there are turns in which this stupefied will not pass. And there’s transport there, you’ll block the road, the traffic jam, the car will not creep out. Saboteurs if they are near, in meters from the rocket. It's not a matter of religion, it's a purely technical limitation

                2. There is no and cannot be satellite graphics. Today, the US satellite constellation is numerous and diverse; the Pentagon even leases civilian satellites out of the blue. Even when I served it was already a formality, the territory of the USSR was under round-the-clock surveillance. Today, this is completely stupid.

                3. Once again, if a first strike is planned, then the guys will take up positions in advance. On June 22, no one from the German side asked in advance to disperse our aircraft. That is, dispersal itself will not happen. First a hit, then a hunt for very few defect
                1. leon-iv
                  leon-iv 25 July 2013 15: 26 New
                  +4
                  And there’s transport there, you’ll block the road, the traffic jam, the car will not creep out. Saboteurs if they are near, in meters from the rocket. It's not a matter of religion, it's a purely technical limitation

                  Yeah in a threatened period and dispersal, well, well. And they are given engineering support just like that))))
                  There is no and cannot be a satellite flight graphic. US satellite constellation today

                  0_o And what radio waves beat against the firmament of heaven? or A / In Ukraine, another physics?
                  Pentagon leases even civilian satellites

                  It must be clarified that the communication satellites. This has always been done, and everything, even the USSR.
                  Even when I served it was already a formality, the territory of the USSR was under round-the-clock surveillance. Today, this is completely stupid.

                  You show us a satellite constellation with orbits, and we will discuss.
                  On June 22, no one from the German side asked in advance to disperse our aircraft. That is, dispersal itself will not happen.

                  0_to you such a concept mobilization what does nito say? What about SPRN? No?
                  1. Gorchilin
                    Gorchilin 25 July 2013 15: 53 New
                    -5
                    1. What is "engineering support" ?! He needs to leave for several tens of kilometers, will they build a bridge along the way? While he waits, here is the enemy and the Charge will catch him. Time goes on for minutes.

                    2. I do not know what you have with the "firmament of heaven." I will not comment on the issues of your religiosity, this is not the case.

                    3. What exactly the Pentagon rents and for what is a mystery. A number of things are deliberately closed.

                    4. there are special sources, there are all orbits, right down to space debris. Once again, if it is not clear: today the entire territory of the former USSR is under round-the-clock surveillance. When there was only one satellite in the USA, one could somehow hide. And then this was not always possible, the exact time and orbit parameters reached the specific part with distortion. They said to the extremes, to carry out work from .. and to .. At what, the time was often not consistent with realities.

                    5. Well, I personally was in Sofrino, it tells me a lot. Have you been? Is this a funny picture for you, or is it somehow connected with your life?

                    To expand your horizons, today the system is almost destroyed. Stations in Mukachevo, Azerbaijan, the Baltic states lost. Pechora burned during the Union, there were a lot of questions to it, today it is clumsy. The radar in Krasnoyarsk is destroyed. Sevastopol is the same garbage.

                    Today, 2/3 of the territory of Russia is in no way controlled at all.

                    They say that Voronezh radars will somehow close the question. Even if everything is perfect, they due to geography will be blind.

                    He pokes a picture to me ..
                    1. leon-iv
                      leon-iv 25 July 2013 16: 24 New
                      +1
                      What is "engineering support" ?! He needs to leave for several tens of kilometers, will they build a bridge along the way? While he waits, here is the enemy and the Charge will catch him. Time goes on for minutes.

                      Rukalitzo chtoli religion prohibits preparing positions in advance?
                      What exactly the Pentagon rents and for what is a mystery. A number of things are deliberately closed.

                      Well, well, you still need to open the Internet and see the rental of communication satellites
                      Today, 2/3 of the territory of Russia is in no way controlled at all.

                      Oga in the taiga, but the fact remains that Voronezh M and DM are actively putting into operation. And the border with the flight path of Amer’s missiles is covered.
                      Only the section from Irkutsk to Balkhash remains
                      Parry Hobot (s)
                      Or V / In Ukraine, this is not known?
                      1. Gorchilin
                        Gorchilin 25 July 2013 16: 32 New
                        -5
                        If you are trying to cover up your own limitedness with rudeness, do not try, this is already obvious.

                        Today, only 1 (ONE) Voronezh, and he is in trial operation. Have not brought it to mind yet. Completing, finishing, but so far there is nothing completely ready

                        http://svpressa.ru/society/article/66772/
                        We have more than 60 thousand kilometers of the border. Throughout this, holes in the radar field are thousands of kilometers long.

                        .. the meaning of the article is clear? If not, about the showdown at the level of the State Duma of Russia. The country from the north is not covered, in any way. From the side of the Arctic Ocean there are neither radio equipment, nor airfields.

                        No one will record the launch of SLBMs from this region, and no way, the flight time is minutes. Neither the fleet nor the aircraft will be able to counter.

                        By the way, the tendency to quote jammed quotes only demonstrates the wretchedness of the citing. So do not be rude.
                      2. leon-iv
                        leon-iv 25 July 2013 16: 56 New
                        +3
                        Today, only 1 (ONE) Voronezh, and he is in trial operation. Have not brought it to mind yet. Completing, finishing, but so far there is nothing completely ready

                        Do you have slow internet?
                        We consider
                        Lehtusi military unit 73845
                        Armavir military unit 41003
                        Kaliningrad military unit 42988
                        Irkutsk
                        Part in the experimental combat.
                        As for the pechera, she chose more than half of the local hydroelectric power capacity. Pechora will be replaced by two Voronezh. And even if she had problems, then they would start from her, and not from less priority areas
                      3. Gorchilin
                        Gorchilin 25 July 2013 17: 07 New
                        -1
                        Leading question - have you heard when the station in Sofrino was built? Do you know when she entered the database, when did the military unit receive a banner?

                        The fact that today they built something is good. But for today (according to my data) only one station is operating relatively normally, and that is brought along.

                        That trying to somehow replace it is good. But for today there is no real replacement, and it will not be long enough.

                        And once again I emphasize, due to the geography of the station, these are blind.
                      4. leon-iv
                        leon-iv 25 July 2013 17: 15 New
                        +1
                        But for today (according to my data) only one station is working relatively normally, and that is brought along.

                        And on my 3rd and 4th receive data to the ACS is already connected.
                        And once again I emphasize, due to the geography of the station, these are blind.

                        There is no other
                        But religion doesn’t stop them from fulfilling their functions. And how they do it
                      5. Gorchilin
                        Gorchilin 25 July 2013 17: 26 New
                        -5
                        Yes and no.

                        Earth is a ball. And the farther from the protected area the station is located, the earlier it will see the objects of interest to it.

                        What was the meaning of the station in Azerbaijan? The fact that it was located on a high mountain and saw far, far. Today they are trying to replace it with a station located in front of these mountains. That is, she simply will not see many things, and what she sees, she will notice much later.

                        Because they are blind.
                      6. leon-iv
                        leon-iv 25 July 2013 17: 37 New
                        0
                        That is, she simply will not see many things, and what she sees, she will notice much later.

                        Nobody denies this, only the first segment works for the Ukraine sector.
              2. Nitup
                Nitup 25 July 2013 17: 50 New
                +2
                Quote: Gorchilin
                Today, only 1 (ONE) Voronezh, and he is in trial operation. Have not brought it to mind yet. Completing, finishing, but so far there is nothing completely ready

                Here you are already lying frankly. This is to the question of who you are: a troll or just something that does not understand. Russia already has 4 (FOUR) new stations of the Voronezh type, two of them are on combat duty, and two more are on pilot combat.
          2. leon-iv
            leon-iv 25 July 2013 16: 31 New
            0
            also by satellites Only Lacrosses can be suitable for searching, and then only in a narrow range, since it is radar.
        2. tilovaykrisa
          tilovaykrisa 25 July 2013 16: 09 New
          +3
          But he continues to Burn, I’m already in tears)) Frankly, I’m an old decrepit person, but I don’t wish that I registered here on the forum, I haven’t been so much positive for a long time.
          1. Gorchilin
            Gorchilin 25 July 2013 16: 15 New
            -6
            And you again turn to the personality. Now on your personality. And this is a very characteristic sign. Well, you know who.
  • Middle-brother
    Middle-brother 25 July 2013 12: 33 New
    +4
    Quote: Gorchilin
    Really elusive - BZHRK (now cut).

    new BZHRK developed and will be created again, better than old


    Quote: Gorchilin
    In fact, the mobility of this thing is very controversial. Extremely small resource, high center of gravity, limited patency

    If everything was as sad as you describe, probably they would not have been created
    1. Gorchilin
      Gorchilin 25 July 2013 12: 40 New
      -10
      New BZHRK will be created in the same way as a mace. I had to persuade the adversaries to peace and a half five years, until now not a single second stood on the database. In the best case, they promise in six months.


      As for the mobility of the chassis, everything is not so sad at all, everything is even very fun:
      http://clipiki.ru/video/78723/V-gryazi-zastryal%E2%80%A6-raketnyiy-kompleks-S-30
      0

      .. pay attention- the machine is much easier in the mud, and it sat in the village, a little off the road.
      1. tilovaykrisa
        tilovaykrisa 25 July 2013 14: 41 New
        +3
        Well, in general, with your position, it is becoming increasingly less clear that for some personal reasons you are inclined to see only negative in the Soviet Union. Yes, most likely in everything that happens in our country.
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    2. tilovaykrisa
      tilovaykrisa 25 July 2013 14: 37 New
      +1
      God forbid, but the BRD was designed for movement around the USSR, the Russian Federation is not the same size as you know, you need to develop not only a car for it from 0 but also adapt the rocket, and poplar will not work for this purpose, as a result, you need a new rocket, because the price of such a product, the head part will no longer be monoblock, as you know, but it’s not the most difficult, the difficulty is to include them in the Strategic Missile Forces with monitoring and control posts, where can I get the personnel? how many additional objects need to be built? I am for two hands! But we must clearly understand that right now it’s not 80 and this efficiency will not work, but with our corruption I’m even afraid to imagine how much it will cost (
      It is necessary to withdraw from all agreements and use the aviation page as a platform for launching ICBMs.
      1. Gorchilin
        Gorchilin 25 July 2013 16: 06 New
        -3
        Once again, poplar is a clumsy and defenseless thing. During development, the starting weight was sharply increased, what the hell happened. Freak. With that, they brought it to the whole world, and ours worked out.

        Really a beautiful car, which they did not have time to make at the Soyuz-complex HIGHWAY based. Here he could go on any road where the truck tractor will pass. If you drove to the platform, here's 1000 kilometers of mobility per day. Drove to the barge, look for the Podkamennaya Tunguska on the river.

        This machine could really be hidden anywhere.

        The missile is light, the warhead is weak and monoblock, but as a weapon of retaliation, the thing is absolutely amazing. Inevitable.
  • sub307
    sub307 25 July 2013 12: 41 New
    +2
    And why are "We" not advisers to the Minister of Defense of the Russian Federation?
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        1. Gorchilin
          Gorchilin 25 July 2013 15: 35 New
          -4
          This is me about the general and characteristic signs of the behavior of individual citizens.

          If a citizen switches from the topic of conversation to personal showdowns, it is DUTER regardless of the subject of the conversation.

          Well, if there were direct insults, there is already a guarantee. The first impression is quite reliably subject to subsequent events.
  • Nitup
    Nitup 25 July 2013 12: 47 New
    +5
    Quote: Gorchilin
    They won’t go far. In fact, the mobility of this thing is very controversial. Extremely small resource

    Will leave if necessary. What counts - "Extremely small resource"?
    Quote: Gorchilin
    They can ride, in fact, in one sandbox, and EVERYTHING will be destroyed in the very first minutes of the war.

    In fact, the specific ground pressure at Topol is less than that of a conventional SUV, so Topol will be able to drive in many places.
    Quote: Gorchilin
    Well, a separate moment, such a carcass on the march is extremely vulnerable, from anything. Starting with shock drones, ending with ATGMs like a Jewelin, or even just a large-caliber sniper rifle. Well, a self-respecting country, a potential adversary, will certainly come across remotely controlled minefields on possible patrol routes. It is impossible to identify them before use.

    Speaking of strike drones, one should not forget about the aerospace defense system: no one will let these drones just fly over the Strategic Missile Forces basing areas. Routes of movement of the PGRK lie in the forest and sniper work is unlikely to be possible. Despite the fact that the PGRK themselves must have bulletproof protection. Anyway, these saboteurs must somehow be delivered to the combat duty areas of the PGRK. For this, the PGRK themselves on alert duty in a vast area of ​​the area still need to be detected and conducted in real time. If we consider that all Poplar’s ​​movements are made at night in the windows between flights of US intelligence satellites, then this is very difficult, if at all possible. As for mining, the PGRK includes mine detection and clearance devices.
    Quote: Gorchilin
    Special consideration should be given to the tenderness of the rocket. Solid fuel and non-renewable resource, any violation of the temperature regime - the fuel goes into an unpredictable state.

    Non-renewable resource? Poplars are already on duty for 25 years, despite the initial resource of 10 or 15 years.
    1. Gorchilin
      Gorchilin 25 July 2013 13: 04 New
      -6
      I explain at the expense of the resource- tank diesel has an extremely limited resource. In any case, we are talking about no more than a thousand hours, in fact, about half as much. The complex chassis also has its limitations. That is, there can be no talk of constant patrolling. Riding exercises is one thing, in a planned manner to make daily marches for tens of kilometers is unrealistic. And without them, it’s a tasty, greasy and convenient goal.

      Regarding the drive, have you seen how the S-300 sat down? And poplar will not pass along the clearing (trees interfere), you need to prepare a route. And he will not pass along the slope, a high center of gravity. It will not pass after rain through liquid mud, it will not pass after heavy snowfall. Do not slip on public roads. That is, the enemy on the fingers of one hand will be able to calculate the places where this miracle will be, say, an hour after the start of movement.

      Regarding the actions of special forces groups, there is darkness. For example, mining, but with the same anti-bot mines with a strike nucleus. In the forest, someone will find horseradish, even if a meter passes nearby. Forests are not continuous, there are points from where you can see hundreds of meters. In the forests it is very convenient to move covertly. Well, in the event of a nuclear strike, mobilization and destruction due to forest fires and blockages are guaranteed.

      Regarding poplar on the database, if anyone does stupidity, this does not mean that it is so right. Do you have a car? In the garage are old Soviet tires lying around, which the hand does not rise to throw out? Touch them, see how they are strewed, how they cracked? Here is this resource! Clearly!

      It’s possible for 30 years, but it’s good if 1 out of 3 flies away.

      whether it’s the 36th car. A titanium barrel, what will happen to her .. in arsenal storage it is generally eternal.
      1. leon-iv
        leon-iv 25 July 2013 14: 49 New
        +2
        Regarding the actions of special forces groups, there is darkness.

        Did you study PDM or just see snot from conscripts?
        Sabotage groups are caught in the same way and methods are developed. For example, how many live amirs live in the Caucasus where the area for sabotage is very good? What do you think will be done by a specialist from the Ivanovo special police forces and riot police?
        ? Touch them, see how they are strewed, how they cracked? Here is this resource! Clearly!

        This is generally fat. EMNIP cases come from a special coiled fiberglass, + regular inspections from deaf and dumb. And all warranty poplars successfully shot.
        1. tilovaykrisa
          tilovaykrisa 25 July 2013 15: 08 New
          +5
          Do not succumb to trolling, it burns enchantingly)))))
        2. Gorchilin
          Gorchilin 25 July 2013 15: 18 New
          -4
          1. Let me remind you, in the Caucasus until now, someone is running through the mountains. Caught for years, but they’re all there too. The same guys will not need to fight for a long time. Their task is to catch those who start to scatter. Well, that’s it.

          2. The case is not in the case, although special materials are degrading and aging. The point is fuel. And the fuel there is rubber with sodium or ammonium perchlorate, plus additives. This rubber collapses very quickly, and burns completely differently.

          In order not to poke individual facts about patriotically concerned citizens, I recall the cases from Ukrainian history. Lana was shot near the Brovars, a warhead struck a residential building from the 9th to the 2nd floor. And after the war of 08, they decided to shoot with a beech, the rocket exploded after leaving the rail.

          A little out of fuel, and it happens. As for stabilizers, have you seen many good domestic tires? That's about the same technology, only hands make you wash twice.
          1. leon-iv
            leon-iv 25 July 2013 15: 33 New
            0
            1. Let me remind you, in the Caucasus until now, someone is running through the mountains. Caught for years, but they’re all there too. The same guys will not need to fight for a long time. Their task is to catch those who start to scatter. Well that's all

            Anecdote to the topic
            in:
            Observation deck at the university.
            On one side are bikers on choppers, road builders, etc.
            On the other side are the boys in sports. Whack-whack, here and there, constantly roaming around, screaming ...
            One of them flies up to the uncles, stoppie, smoke from under the wheels ... And he asks:
            - men! Why do you never meet us?
            Uncle calmly spitting to the side:
            - why get to know you? .. YOU ARE EVERY NEW YEAR ..
            2. The case is not in the case, although special materials are degrading and aging. The point is fuel. And the fuel there is rubber with sodium or ammonium perchlorate, plus additives. This rubber collapses very quickly, and burns completely differently.

            I don’t know how in the nenka we have missiles in the Strategic Missile Forces, both heads and missiles themselves are planned to be serviced.
            1. Gorchilin
              Gorchilin 25 July 2013 15: 58 New
              0
              1. Thank you for the joke, the joke is good.

              2. No "scheduled maintenance" of the rocket will allow replacing the fuel charge there. It is specially made so as to be one with the body, it is made like that. Aging charge is the destruction of a rocket.

              Well, what will survive there, you can probably use. What wires, cogs, bolts.
              1. Nitup
                Nitup 25 July 2013 17: 06 New
                0
                I don’t understand what you mean by that. The resource of ANY rocket is limited, at least liquid, at least solid fuel.
                1. Gorchilin
                  Gorchilin 25 July 2013 17: 22 New
                  -1
                  Not at all. A rocket with a liquid propellant rocket engine can stand on the database, even in the filled form, for decades. Actually, nothing really spoils there, the titanium rusts slowly. After a small repair, it can continue to stand; literally a few things need to be replaced. Fuel can be replaced, business then. And during arsenal storage (a dry rocket is stored in a warehouse) it is eternal.

                  Solid fuel degrades and degrades over time. This is ordinary rubber. And this rubber in 20 years will be in a disgusting state. It can easily explode, due to cracks, the combustion process is unpredictable and uncontrollable. Moreover, this charge can be dangerous to handle. And this rocket must be replaced.
              2. leon-iv
                leon-iv 25 July 2013 17: 21 New
                +3
                .No “scheduled maintenance” of the rocket will allow replacing the fuel charge there.

                Oh oh))))
                But as statistics show, everything does not get wet with a bunch and does not rust and does not exfoliate)))
                As they say there is a big lie, there is a small one, but there are statistics.
                And she says that the rocket has been fine and has been living for 25 years with the necessary tinning.
                1. Gorchilin
                  Gorchilin 25 July 2013 17: 30 New
                  -4
                  Do you have a car?

                  Could not help but pay attention - I bought a new rubber, you don’t know sorrow, even if you drive on broken glass. After 5 years, problems begin. Then suddenly you will catch a nail with something else. After 20 years, well, look at the tire, see what it is?

                  But it must not only be beautiful, it must be elastic and very durable, must withstand very high pressures (some kind of military secret).

                  An experience? Well, here the beech exploded, here it is the experience. And even earlier, the Lan accelerator. This is an experience.
                  1. Alexander Romanov
                    Alexander Romanov 25 July 2013 17: 37 New
                    +1
                    Quote: Gorchilin
                    . After 5 years, problems begin. Then suddenly you catch a nail something else

                    You 5 years on one rubber chasing ??? wassat I doubt you have a car at all hi
                    1. leon-iv
                      leon-iv 25 July 2013 17: 43 New
                      +1
                      You 5 years on one rubber chasing ???

                      Modern tires no longer live by time, but by mileage
                    2. Gorchilin
                      Gorchilin 25 July 2013 17: 44 New
                      0
                      Have you bought Bibika just this year? Or fingers like a fan, rubber for one season, and I wash drift all at once?

                      I began to ride when the tires were only chamber rubber, they bought all-weather tires and rode year-round.

                      Some things will be incomprehensible and inaccessible to you today, for example, I used to go to the Cossack three times in the Crimea.

                      So, about the life of rubber, if it has been lying in the garage for 5 years (and usually it is studded, we have little snow in winter), then it degrades even without use.

                      Likewise, the solid propellant of a rocket engine will degrade.
                    3. leon-iv
                      leon-iv 25 July 2013 17: 50 New
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                      So, about the life of rubber, if it has been lying in the garage for 5 years (and usually it is studded, we have little snow in winter), then it degrades even without use.

                      Hi to the technologists drinks
                      Likewise, the solid propellant of a rocket engine will degrade.

                      Once again under the influence of what factors?
                    4. Gorchilin
                      Gorchilin 25 July 2013 17: 57 New
                      -1
                      We are all mortal, it must be admitted :) And people are aging and rubber. And to stop this process is impossible, you can only slow down a little.

                      But there are enough factors; constant physical and mechanical transformations are underway inside various substances. Many materials around us are alive, right down to glass.
                    5. leon-iv
                      leon-iv 25 July 2013 18: 02 New
                      0
                      Many materials around us are alive, right down to glass.

                      I’ll go to the toilet a second time with a diploma.
                      If you think that the fluidity of glass is life. I’m not surprised that the radar can’t find satellites in orbit))).
                2. Alexander Romanov
                  Alexander Romanov 25 July 2013 17: 51 New
                  +1
                  Quote: Gorchilin
                  And you only bought Bibika this year?

                  The first Honda ballad of 1982, right before serving in 94.
                  Quote: Gorchilin
                  I began to ride when the tires were only chamber rubber, they bought all-weather tires and rode year-round.

                  Sorry, but that the tire doesn’t exist anymore and the all-weather season has disappeared?
                  Quote: Gorchilin
                  Some things will be incomprehensible and inaccessible to you today-

                  Of course the children are sitting here
                  Quote: Gorchilin

                  So, about the life of rubber, if it lay for 5 years in the garage

                  I understand you understand that you wrote nonsense
            2. leon-iv
              leon-iv 25 July 2013 17: 42 New
              +2
              Do you have a car?

              But she must not only be beautiful, she must be elastic and very durable, must withstand very high pressures

              Gee, I’m generally myself a technician and I know that a properly assembled device and passing all the regulations calmly work on the GAR term. What we see with poplars ALL launches for verification are successful. Questions, I think, disappear.
              Further, the rocket is isolated in a TPK capsule. In which YOUR microclimate. A tire degrades from fur exposure and to a greater extent UV radiation from the sun, where is it on rocket fuel?
              1. Gorchilin
                Gorchilin 25 July 2013 17: 51 New
                -1
                Very visual technology for long-term storage. Come into the box, the diesel fuel smells, everything is clean, paint, beauty! And the tires on the equipment are beautiful, zero.

                Approach the car and carefully tear off the sprue from the tire (a rubber column the thickness of a match). Here you are - no sunlight, no temperature changes.
      2. Alexander Romanov
        Alexander Romanov 25 July 2013 16: 41 New
        0
        Quote: leon-iv
        Observation deck at the university.
        On one side are bikers on choppers, road builders, etc.
        On the other side are the boys in sports. Whack-whack, here and there, constantly roaming around, screaming ...
        One of them flies up to the uncles, stoppie, smoke from under the wheels ... And he asks:
        - men! Why do you never meet us?
        Uncle calmly spitting to the side:
        - why get to know you? .. YOU ARE EVERY NEW YEAR ..

        Leon, But this is not a joke - this conversation was real and took place in Komsomolsk-on-Amur, was a witness to it. Three years ago, it was or the fourth, even forgotten request , then there was rzhach and away we go, someone in the internet retold laughing
        1. leon-iv
          leon-iv 25 July 2013 17: 10 New
          0
          It’s funny especially considering that I decided to buy Yamaha Dreg Star myself))))
    2. tilovaykrisa
      tilovaykrisa 25 July 2013 16: 13 New
      +2
      Well, that’s all, the arguments from the wiki you ran out, of course, went to the personalities, it’s also clear ... please sound out where you served in the Armed Forces, because I have something steadily developing the opinion that you went through it here on the forum.
    3. kartalovkolya
      kartalovkolya 26 July 2013 09: 42 New
      0
      You’re something sweetheart, it’s better to talk about your near-bye. One good achievement of your rocketeers is a downed civilian plane flying from Israel. Yes, and we saw your current “army” - both laughter and sin. you don’t have and never will! At your level, only UNA-UNSO and then only shit can be spoiled. Friends are enough to pay attention to the cries of this very worried state of affairs in the Russian Army, there is something to worry about and be "worried" about!
  • Nitup
    Nitup 25 July 2013 16: 59 New
    +1
    And who says that Poplars are in constant motion, they take turns on combat duty, and on duty for the most part they are in the field position, changing it after a certain time. So their resource will be enough for a long time. All these questions were calculated when creating complexes.
    Quote: Gorchilin
    Regarding the drive, have you seen how the S-300 sat down? And poplar will not pass along the clearing (trees interfere), you need to prepare a route. And he will not pass along the slope, a high center of gravity. It will not pass after rain through liquid mud, it will not pass after heavy snowfall. Do not slip on public roads. That is, the enemy on the fingers of one hand will be able to calculate the places where this miracle will be, say, an hour after the start of movement.
    According to the S-300 lead, it’s not clear from this video because of what he sat there, maybe there was a deep hole hidden in the water, and Poplar is not the S-300, Poplar is more passable due to the large number of driving bridges and low specific ground pressure. It will pass through the mud, and along the ford, and along the slope (its center of gravity is about mid-height and its width is large).
    Quote: Gorchilin
    Regarding the actions of special forces groups, there is darkness. For example, mining, but with the same anti-bot mines with a strike nucleus. In the forest, someone will find horseradish, even if a meter passes nearby. Forests are not continuous, there are points from where you can see hundreds of meters. In the forests it is very convenient to move covertly. Well, in the event of a nuclear strike, mobilization and destruction due to forest fires and blockages are guaranteed.

    I repeat, the special forces still need to be abandoned, having found the complex in the field position. With regard to mining, MIOM (engineering support and camouflage machine) is used for reconnaissance and clearance, it is designed to perform the tasks of engineering support and camouflage the missile system as a whole or its elements during combat duty on combat patrol routes and field positions. Using this technique, engineering reconnaissance of minefields and mine clearing is carried out, roads are cleared in a field position and their layout is cleared, blockages are cleared. The means of camouflage and simulation available as part of the MIOM provide for the implementation of measures to shelter the missile complex in the field positions, distort the traces of its movement, including rolling the traces to false positions and objects.
    The machine is also used in the performance of engineering tasks of camouflage and simulation, determining the slope of the terrain and the location of units using the navigation system, determining the carrying capacity of road bridges on combat patrol routes using a special measurement system.
    Every year control launches of Topol are carried out and so far there has not been a single failure. And the new Topol-M with Yars are not few and are still being purchased.
    1. Gorchilin
      Gorchilin 25 July 2013 17: 16 New
      -3
      1. That is, this complex can be called mobile with a very big stretch. Rather, this is a complex roaming between several initially defined positions. All of them are known to the enemy, all will be hit by aerial nuclear explosions.

      The mobility of the complex is that in an hour it would be in a place unknown to the enemy. To do this, he must be in constant motion. Or at least move a third or a quarter of a day.

      2. Patency of the poplar conveyor BELOW. It is longer, because any pit or hill creates an abnormal load on individual wheels. It is heavy and clumsy. And the S-300 was just created for field conditions. More precisely, there are several options, but the increased cross-country ability was originally laid down in everything.

      3. I heard about this car and even more recently its description was on the same site. To put it mildly, untenable. It is designed for completely different conditions. I assure you, if the enemy will conceive a first-rate strike, she will find something to surprise.
      1. Nitup
        Nitup 25 July 2013 17: 39 New
        +2
        Quote: Gorchilin
        that is, this complex can be called mobile with a very big stretch. Rather, this is a complex roaming between several initially defined positions. All of them are known to the enemy, all will be hit by aerial nuclear explosions.

        They are not known to anyone, because new routes are constantly being laid out, positions are being established, etc. I have usually described combat duty to you. during the threatened period, all complexes will leave the base and disperse in various directions.
        Quote: Gorchilin
        The mobility of the complex is that in an hour it would be in a place unknown to the enemy. To do this, he must be in constant motion. Or at least move a third or a quarter of a day.

        In an hour he will be in an unknown place for the enemy.
        Quote: Gorchilin
        .Poplar conveyor patency BELOW. It is longer, because any pit or hill creates an abnormal load on individual wheels. It is heavy and clumsy. And the S-300 was just created for field conditions. More precisely, there are several options, but the increased cross-country ability was originally laid down in everything.

        I’m already tired of repeating, the specific pressure of the Topol APU on the ground is lower than that of an ordinary SUV and everything is in order with agility, the rear axles are also rotatable, at least for Topol-M and Yars.
        Quote: Gorchilin
        . I heard about this car and even more recently its description was on the same site. To put it mildly, untenable. It is designed for completely different conditions. I assure you, if the enemy will conceive a first-rate strike, she will find something to surprise.

        It is designed specifically for such conditions. And we will find how to surprise the enemy, do not hesitate. If the United States were able to destroy us with impunity, they would have already done so.
      2. Colonel
        Colonel 25 July 2013 17: 51 New
        +2
        Poplar conveyor patency BELOW. It is longer, because any pit or hill creates an abnormal load on individual wheels
        Well, you got stuck. You haven’t even seen a race track for MAZs.
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  • leon-iv
    leon-iv 25 July 2013 14: 37 New
    +3
    Have you seen how they drive?
    I am. True training with the mass of missiles.
    They can ride, in fact, in one sandbox, and EVERYTHING will be destroyed in the very first minutes of the war.

    Og, only their cross-country ability is comparable to caterpillar equipment if Che.
    Well, a separate moment, such a carcass on the march is extremely vulnerable, from anything. Starting with shock drones, ending with ATGMs like a Jewelin, or even just a large-caliber sniper rifle. Well, a self-respecting country, a potential adversary, will certainly come across remotely controlled minefields on possible patrol routes. It is impossible to identify them before use.

    Well, naive go wander through the Teykovsky forests gee naivnyashechka.
    Special consideration should be given to the tenderness of the rocket. Solid fuel and non-renewable resource, any violation of the temperature regime - the fuel goes into an unpredictable state.

    Sometimes it's better to chew than talk (c)
    All our missiles have encapsulation and a system for maintaining the required temperature regime.
    1. tilovaykrisa
      tilovaykrisa 25 July 2013 14: 43 New
      +2
      He just has a Phobia in relation to our Strategic Rocket Forces, as I understand from his chances he is disingenuous that he is familiar with this topic in practice, he is a Tankman, he has more intelligible comments there.
    2. Gorchilin
      Gorchilin 25 July 2013 15: 25 New
      -7
      “If Che,” look again at the video where the S-300 climbs out of the mud. Plus another caterpillar technique is usually low, so a tank needs flipping talents. THIS same on any bias somersaults.

      Debilitating replicas such as "gee" - communicate with your brothers in an underdeveloped mind.

      "Sometimes it's better to chew than say (s)" - golden words! For your reference, encapsulation is a term from the field of liquid rockets. For example, Makeevka SLBMs — they are encapsulated. But the 36th car, no, it is being refueled in the mine, it is leaving the factory dry.

      For solid rockets, this term is stupid! As for maintaining special conditions, well then for the time being. While everything is working well, until the car is stuck and nothing is broken.

      Severe frost, snow, stuck, tell me what happens if you freeze a rocket? How will the recrystallization processes go there?

      This has its consequences:
      1. In winter, THIS can be seen perfectly in the thermal imager, the case is large and warm;
      2. In case of extreme temperatures, the number of trips for the gate will be sharply limited, the enemy has a bonus;
      1. tilovaykrisa
        tilovaykrisa 25 July 2013 16: 18 New
        +3
        You are a completely incompetent person, you take all your data from the wiki and actively troll, you are a bot. Vile nasty bot. I do not urge you to ban for the reason that each forum needs its own "professor and Gorchilin" without you just bored))))
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  • cherkas.oe
    cherkas.oe 25 July 2013 14: 50 New
    +3
    Quote: Gorchilin
    ALL will be destroyed in the first minutes of the war.

    Than? will be destroyed, you trepolog our European citizen, troll looked here or something. No need to make people laugh here.
    1. tilovaykrisa
      tilovaykrisa 25 July 2013 15: 09 New
      +4
      Leave him, my friend, his koments have already begun to cheer me up, it’s always nice to see a complete ignoramus prove something to you, I admit that although this is not beautiful, it delivers ... a fact.
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    2. Colonel
      Colonel 25 July 2013 15: 31 New
      +4
      mn Gorchilin, if true, that
      I held on to the iron with my hands, had the appropriate tolerances
      and you know the complex well, then the control question: which unit column is depicted in the photo?
    3. Gorchilin
      Gorchilin 25 July 2013 16: 23 New
      -4
      If a person expresses his thoughts in the language of underdeveloped youngsters, in terms like:

      trepologist
      European citizen
      troll

      ..that many things will be incomprehensible to him, many are mysterious. In fact, the tendency to invent new words is the first sign of schizophrenia, so be careful.
  • MIKHAN
    MIKHAN 25 July 2013 13: 03 New
    +2
    Our "Poplars" flew over the sea ..)))) Oilya Oilyaa .. pour stopper !! wassat
  • vadutc
    vadutc 25 July 2013 13: 55 New
    +1
    I’ll tell you, hazing will evaporate, because it’s where, from what you simply do .., with constant exercises, the soldiers get used to each other, they become comrades, and there’s no time for hazing
    1. tilovaykrisa
      tilovaykrisa 25 July 2013 14: 45 New
      +1
      Hazing is a simple phenomenon if an officer for some reason (low salary, career, etc.) devotes more time to his personal affairs than to his service.
      1. cherkas.oe
        cherkas.oe 25 July 2013 15: 08 New
        0
        Quote: tilovaykrisa
        if an officer for some reason (low salary, career, etc.) devotes more time to his personal affairs than to his service.

        I would demolish and dismiss the officer for hazing in the officer’s division, and put him in addition for grave consequences, and send the so-called “grandfathers” to the camps militarized for the Arctic Circle, to clear the Russian Arctic from garbage and after a year, a maximum of one and a half, about What kind of bullying and conversation wouldn’t be, otherwise they chew snot and look at Caucasians, who are bursting with impunity, or have they even better come up with the idea that they shouldn’t be called to the army or privileged or have a low birth rate like the Chukchi’s? am
        1. tilovaykrisa
          tilovaykrisa 25 July 2013 15: 16 New
          0
          It would be so, but from the end of 80 to 2000, all who could have fled from the army, and so did you put an officer and whom would you put in the company? Or will you go to the position of a battalion commander yourself?)) Here the roots are much deeper, this is a social phenomenon, it’s just all gov..but what is happening in society is much more visible precisely in the army for several reasons.
  • vlbelugin
    vlbelugin 25 July 2013 16: 07 New
    0
    I am glad that the combat patrol was extended to 20 days, but this is not enough. In Soviet times, we were on duty twice a year for 45 days at field positions. Of these, the first 10 days of the full regiment.
    1. tilovaykrisa
      tilovaykrisa 25 July 2013 16: 24 New
      +1
      No offense nonsense. 3 outlets with a minimum period of 15 to 30 days, then the decision is up to the guide, autonomy at 45 is not the limit.
  • michajlo
    michajlo 25 July 2013 18: 45 New
    +2
    Good day to all!
    Probably I will call a lot of caustic remarks to my address from experienced, but I can not write my opinion. am
    I did not serve in the Strategic Missile Forces and others, I have no practical military experience (except for the military department at the institute and summer training in 1983 at the training ground at the Khmelnitsky Tank Regiment, and for many hours of heart-to-heart talks with Afghan war veterans in the summer and autumn of 1989 in Afghanistan border in Tajikistan, Pyanj, where I was on a business trip in civilian life for 3,5 months).
    I am personally very interested in the technical side of military equipment and the reviews of employees who worked with it, maintained or constructed, built or repaired.
    I can not take the side of one participant (Gorchilin) ​​or his opponents, because I don’t know much and I don’t have my own experience.
    I’ll say right away that I don’t like it, that most of you are probably men in years, but here like spoiled and touchy kids in short pants, "through a few" comments "from the topic of the conversation, go to the person of the interlocutor"! angry
    Was not better to all of us participants, to search for what connects us, and not bite each other over trifles and water each other with low-trial expressions!
    What will we achieve in this way?
    Opponent rudeness - and so do not convince, but what's the point with swearing and swearing?
    If some of us here only raise their sick conceit, then there probably are other forums and sites where abuse is "that same thing" ...

    BUT it's VO site (Military Review), where the participants and I hope understanding and knowledgeable experts write about SOVIET or Russian weapons and army affairs, which we all probably will soon have to learn again.

    Indeed, in my humble opinion and most importantly the prevention of older and gray-haired 70-80 year olds (here in Slovakia, where I live), who remember the first Czechoslovak Republic (1918-1939),
    times from 2008 they rate how much worse than the years 1929-1932 were (the First World Financial Crisis)
    and to us younger people they directly say:
    Why are you not doing anything and not resisting !?
    After all, the same and then less painful events in Europe brought Hitler to power a year later (1933) and in 1937 (unofficially) and in 1939 WWII officially began !!!
    Indeed, for 3-5 or 8 years (somewhere in 2013-2016), 3 MVs (TMVs) or fratricidal riots, riots and coups will begin!
    Do not be offended by verbosity (I can’t briefly), but maybe it’s all better for us to look for unity and not petty squabbles, and “ripen to the root” (as Kuzma Prutkov used to say)? ! smile
  • ramsi
    ramsi 25 July 2013 20: 53 New
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    corchilin, by and large, patrolling poplars is an utter nonsense. This is how degraded at headquarters ?! The maximum that they are capable of is to crawl on alarm, in the immediate vicinity. Patrolling complexes on a piece of iron is another matter. This is already at the SSBN level.
    However, for a mobile installation, especially a surface one, liquid rockets are nonsense
    1. Nitup
      Nitup 25 July 2013 21: 30 New
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      Quote: ramsi
      poplar patrolling - exorbitant nonsense

      please explain why the combat duty on field positions and the change of deployment, i.e. creating uncertainty for an adversary - an utter nonsense?
      1. ramsi
        ramsi 25 July 2013 21: 55 New
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        because the patrol radius is negligible, and it would be better to save it for a really hot situation, because the complex is bulky and, accordingly, has a small resource for such feats, since you can’t mask it with masks, you will probably have to move around at night - and we will hear about the inevitable incidents. In short, all these complexes were created to replace the ones on which I served, and although they were considered ground-based, trips to the exercises for the division were carried out no more than once every six months. Poplar is undoubtedly more modern, and could travel once a month, but no more, otherwise it will turn out to be more expensive. By and large, this is the same target as mine installations, and with about the same chance of a retaliatory strike.
        1. Nitup
          Nitup 25 July 2013 22: 34 New
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          Thank. Your position is clear. I set out in the comments above. It makes no sense to repeat.
        2. Colonel
          Colonel 25 July 2013 22: 42 New
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          because the patrol radius is nothing
          One more. Sir, what do you consider an insignificant radius, share. Where did you serve at group starts? No one had patrolled Poplar before. We went to the PBSP and nothing more. And, remember for yourself and pass on to Gorchilin: even with 70% loss, soil complexes will cause your owners an "unacceptable level of damage." I speak because. what do I know. Did not want to be rude, forced.
          1. ramsi
            ramsi 26 July 2013 09: 41 New
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            I call a circle with a diameter of 60-65 km an insignificant radius, into which all of your 200 km (circumference) and fit, albeit with different routes. The very idea of ​​patrolling in this way is hemorrhoidal, you can't name it otherwise. A mobile complex in this form, of course, is needed, and even in the best years (who knows why it might come in handy). But to consider it a complete replacement for SSBNs, BZHRK and aircraft - utopia. Of course, you can play these games ... but not with the same serious look
            1. Colonel
              Colonel 26 July 2013 15: 23 New
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              I understood the answer and draw a conclusion - you are terribly far from the question that you are trying to discuss. In the photo, in the background is the 75th unit. Ask what it is and why it is.
          2. kartalovkolya
            kartalovkolya 26 July 2013 09: 59 New
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            I fully support you, but I dare to add a little on my own: these gentlemen have forgotten about the main task of the strategic nuclear forces - this is an elementary deterrence of aggressive efforts by certain forces. And one more thing - it seems to me to remember the "Dead Hand".
          3. Gorchilin
            Gorchilin 26 July 2013 10: 32 New
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            A characteristic feature of insignificance is the presence of a “master” and the inability to imagine that there is someone who is free to live and think independently.

            This is you, it is you who have the "master". Whom the boss in political life commanded to love, that will be loved. In foreign policy, see Deputy Fedorov.

            The owner commanded to give for penny ALL Soviet stocks of enriched uranium, they gave as cute! The owner commanded to stop ALL plutonium producers-stopped. ALL.

            Well, in terms of the nuclear triad, the owners ordered the destruction of the most effective weapons, destroyed! And what's left is a cracker.

            What an ass 70% ?! That for silos about 70% can be said. Moreover, the KVO of Soviet-era nuclear weapons did not allow a 100% chance of hitting silos. For you to understand, even getting close to the silos with the declared accuracy did not destroy the warhead, the accuracy was needed even higher. Literally hit the shaft cover!

            This complex is open and defenseless, an air nuclear explosion of several hundred kilotons will disable ALL PUs in a radius of more than 20 kilometers.

            Of course, this complex is not able to be in motion, it can only stand on the positions previously designated and declared for defeat.

            One hit is 100% defeat! This is the complex that the HOUSES of Russia were allowed to leave. Allowed due to almost zero combat value. Against this complex, a disarming strike is quite possible. On you, play, create an illusion.

            Of course, the complex is not able to break through the missile defense in the same way as the 36th machine did.

            One small problem is suddenly who will be on the march and the detonation will catch him in the middle of the route, in unassembled positions. But special forces will work against such shortcomings. There is nowhere for the little ones to go around, fires, forest debris, special forces and drones.
            1. Colonel
              Colonel 26 July 2013 15: 33 New
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              For insignificance, you can get a turnip, you are ours free. Yes God is with you. According to your statement
              This complex is open and defenseless, an air nuclear explosion of several hundred kilotons will disable ALL PUs in a radius of more than 20 kilometers.
              and some other statements, I conclude that you do not have the slightest idea about the combat use of this complex, probably that when you read about the "Pioneers". I have no desire to enlighten you. So report to the owners that you did not cope with the task.
              1. tilovaykrisa
                tilovaykrisa 26 July 2013 15: 36 New
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                I think he knows nothing about the Pioneers, well, or something like "yes they did not fly, and were not needed, they scattered in the air, well, I guess so.
                1. Colonel
                  Colonel 26 July 2013 15: 41 New
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                  It seems like that. Honestly, I’m a little ashamed of my incontinence, if he had not blurted out that he had once served in the PGRK, I would have ignored him. Yes, to hell with him. drinks
                  1. tilovaykrisa
                    tilovaykrisa 26 July 2013 15: 42 New
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                    He let slip that he served in the Tank Forces, although rather in the Forum.
              2. Gorchilin
                Gorchilin 26 July 2013 16: 03 New
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                On occasion, get and turnips, a simple matter.

                As I understand it, your "boss" personally processes turnips so regularly for you. This is a usual thing for you.

                Do not "enlighten" me. Enlightenment requires a certain level of knowledge and intelligence that you do not possess. And stupid ogryzuh - miserable and uninteresting.

                What did you say in your message that you told? Yes, just with a smart look puffed out cheeks.

                Goodbye expert!
  • DPN
    DPN 25 July 2013 22: 54 New
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    This is how much diesel fuel he will devour, it’s not easier to put a couple of such poplars on the KUBU and ABM and other **** I will not need. And the States will yelp and calm down a bit.
  • kartalovkolya
    kartalovkolya 26 July 2013 09: 53 New
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    The news is good. Only there is a lot of trolling and verbal husk around: especially from our closest neighbors. To them is Poppy is clumsy, then Mace is worthless: one gets the impression of an order. As one anarchist figure told Old Man Makhno: "Yes, he is a provocateur ..." (the rest omit). Everything would be so if it were not for one But: what are your friends writing with boiling water from this news? But in fact, you live by the principle: "Let my cow die only if a neighbor or two!"
    1. ramsi
      ramsi 26 July 2013 13: 02 New
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      I’ll tell you not about poplars - I don’t know, but about my time (77-79g). Everyone had a feeling that we were targets, although two missiles were stored in the battery hangar, there were no doubts about launching two - there were very big doubts about launching one. This is despite the fact that they stuck to us decently, and at least 4-5 months after the next call, the qualifications of the staff corresponded ... At least in the main positions, the “tip-off” could give out data “from the drum”, which fit to the real tolerance limits. A real way out into the field, at night, with refueling ... In my opinion, no one had any doubt that we would not meet the standards, this is at least. (Yes, there were no such exits!). I doubt that since then everything has dramatically improved, most likely only for the worse, even with much more modern technology
  • tverskoi77
    tverskoi77 26 July 2013 09: 54 New
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    What is it that everyone loves to talk with trolls? This is a utopian discussion.
    "I" argue that the Strategic Missile Forces - this is g @ obviously, let's argue with this fact, who is the first?
    1. tilovaykrisa
      tilovaykrisa 26 July 2013 15: 37 New
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      It depends on whose, for example, Ukrainian, then I agree with you laughing