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Expert Sergey Komkov: “We have our own practices and traditions”

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Expert Sergey Komkov: “We have our own practices and traditions”


Representatives of the Public Chamber, including the initiators of the Unified State Examination, proposed several fundamental changes to this system. Essentially we are talking about a partial return to the previous methodology for assessing the knowledge gained.

The president of the All-Russian Education Fund, Doctor of Pedagogical Sciences Sergey KOMKOV comments:

- There is nothing surprising in the fact that now the experts of the Public Chamber offer. Opponents of the USE insisted on this 10 – 15 years ago. But then nobody wanted to listen to us. We were confident that the system would collapse. And they were right. But now our opponents are submitting these offers as their own.

At the collegium of the Ministry of Education and Science in November 2005, the then head of the Federal Testing Center Vladimir Khlebnikov and I argued that all graduates should not be approached with the same standard - in the form of testing. Minister Andrei Fursenko and the head of the Rosobrnadzor, the current vice-president of the Russian Academy of Education, Viktor Bolotov, rejected our point of view and declared their desire to simplify the state exam and make it universal. Now we see that nothing came of this intention. I will not repeat the stories about the scandals that have happened this summer around the exam. They have become commonplace.

We argued that introducing a test exam in the Russian language and literature is a complete absurdity, especially since the latter subject forms the moral principles of man. They asked to leave at least a dictation or statement. No written work is needed - such was the position of Mr. Fursenko, Bolotov and Kuzminov. And what? Now Yaroslav Kuzminov himself proposes to replace the EGE in the Russian language with a composition.

In fact, the Unified State Exam ceases to be such, because it becomes a two-level: basic and specialized. Kuzminov states that the profile level is not tests, but independent written work, tasks, and essay. Now he understands the need for students not to plunge into the atmosphere of “dragging on the USE”, but to study normally. What prevented to realize it eight years ago?

For what purpose were the teachers' strength spent, huge state money? Only by 2001, about a billion dollars had been “mastered” for organizing an experiment with the USE. I’m not mistaken if I assume that this figure has increased since 5 – 6 times. Who is responsible for these thoughtless costs?

But, I am afraid that the most important losses are the generation that has passed through the Unified State Examination, which cannot be called anything other than flawed. It will be difficult for him to find himself in life.

Our "reformers" at one time took as a model the American experience. But the United States recognized the failure of the test system, and in 2009, President Obama canceled it. The country has moved to the classical form of oral exams. It seems that this led to changes in the approaches of domestic followers of foreign innovations.

But we have our own achievements and traditions, so that even the rejection of “exotic plants” that did not take root on Russian soil does not mean that the manuals on national pedagogy should be written from scratch. Even at the aforementioned collegium, Vladimir Khlebnikov and I suggested applying the principle of “portfolio”, when a student’s work is not assessed by test tasks, but creativity, circle classes, victories in competitions and competitions, etc. are taken into account.

The one who said “A” must also pronounce “I.” We are talking about the initiators of the exam. This idea, as we expected, is crumbling. Next you need to go to the implementation of the oral exam stories, completely different method of certification in mathematics. It is necessary to change the whole system of education in high school and the forms of its assessment, the system of admission to higher educational institutions. There is a lot of work ahead, the fulfillment of which is beyond the power of blunt and inert officials of the Ministry of Education and Science. Without the involvement of the general public, they will not succeed.
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  1. Garrin
    Garrin 25 July 2013 06: 36 New
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    Welcome all! hi
    Why not return to the Soviet education system at all? Naturally adjusted for current realities.
    After all, she has proven herself perfectly and was much more effective than the current Bologna.
    1. S_mirnov
      S_mirnov 25 July 2013 09: 50 New
      +5
      "After all, she proved herself excellently and was much more effective than the current Bologna one." - This can return a high level of education to Russian citizens, and this does not meet the goals of the modern elite.

      "But what the Minister of Education Fursenko said, who is destroying this formation and has already almost destroyed:

      "The disadvantage of the Soviet education system was an attempt to form a Human Creator, and now our task is to raise a qualified consumer." hi
      1. Arberes
        Arberes 25 July 2013 11: 05 New
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        Quote: S_mirnov

        "The disadvantage of the Soviet education system was an attempt to form a Human Creator, and now our task is to raise a qualified consumer."

        Yes, one can feel the height of the flight and the breadth of its worldview!
        I may not understand something (my education is SOVIET), how can a person go further and progress if he cannot create and create, and all his thoughts are now directed at "qualified consumption"?
        Yes this is my regression FRIENDS !!!
        1. S_mirnov
          S_mirnov 25 July 2013 11: 51 New
          +1
          Regressors and progressors - this has already been described by our science fiction writers.
          1. Garrin
            Garrin 25 July 2013 12: 43 New
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            Quote: S_mirnov
            Regressors and progressors - this has already been described by our science fiction writers.

            I think that the Strugatsky brothers dreamed that their completely different fantasies and forecasts would come true.
      2. Garrin
        Garrin 25 July 2013 12: 32 New
        +1
        Quote: S_mirnov
        “The drawback of the Soviet education system was an attempt to form a Human Creator

        Ah, this is already qualified as a flaw. Oh well...
        Quote: S_mirnov
        and now our task is to grow a qualified consumer. ”

        Yes, only for such words - in "iron" and in eternal hard labor.
        It is a pity that the Ozero cooperative has declared for its own people the era not of the 37th year.
  2. serge-68-68
    serge-68-68 25 July 2013 06: 38 New
    +6
    And as always, no one will answer either for lobbying an unworked system, or for its introduction, or for the "lost generation", or for the money spent ... And this means that it will continue to be the same.
    1. PPL
      PPL 25 July 2013 08: 31 New
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      All the same "... Messrs. Fursenko, Bolotov and Kuzminov will be appointed to carry out the check."
      I’m not surprised at anything.
  3. George
    George 25 July 2013 06: 39 New
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    Hello all.
    For what purpose were the teachers' strength spent, huge state money? Only by 2001, about a billion dollars had been “mastered” for organizing an experiment with the USE. I’m not mistaken if I assume that this figure has increased since 5 – 6 times. Who is responsible for these thoughtless costs?

    Anyone who will answer (if one is found of course) will pass by as a witness, and come to court hearings (if he reaches it) on a new foreign car. Well, of course, a house arrest under lock and key in a thirteen room apartment will be chosen as a preventive measure.
    Around crooks.
  4. domokl
    domokl 25 July 2013 06: 40 New
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    We, those who studied in Soviet schools, had teachers! It was the teachers who not only taught the subject, but also educated. Each teacher taught the subject by passing it through his perception of the world, the subject. Therefore, we remember them. The modern generation of teachers no. There are educators.
    The task is simple - to prepare an employee, without their own opinion, without principles. Let others do this. And the exam system is created just for this.
    The volume of knowledge is not an indicator of education. The indicator is just different. Remember the first-graders, one already reads at the entrance to the school, the other alphabet is not seen in the eyes. However, after six months they are aligned, and sometimes the second shows much better results.
    Education is an ability, an opportunity and a desire not only to know everything (which is simply impossible today), but also to find the newest in knowledge, the ability to self-educate.
    Unified state examination, especially in the subjects of educating, must be canceled yesterday. History, Literature, Russian, for the regions the native language and literature should be leading and they must be passed without any tests and tests.
    1. Sirocco
      Sirocco 25 July 2013 07: 29 New
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      Sasha is not eyebrow but in the eye. I suggest you send your post, electronically, to the Minister of Education. Perhaps the Minister will draw conclusions.
      1. S_mirnov
        S_mirnov 25 July 2013 09: 53 New
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        "I suggest you send your post by electronic to the Minister of Education. Perhaps Mr. Minister will draw conclusions." - Do you think conscience will torment the minister? Mister Minister made his choice long ago!
        1. Arberes
          Arberes 25 July 2013 11: 08 New
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          Quote: S_mirnov
          Mr. Minister has long made his choice!

          I can even guess which way! Towards "qualified consumption"!
          1. S_mirnov
            S_mirnov 25 July 2013 14: 39 New
            +1
            It seems that we were sent a team of Regressors from the work of the Strugatsky, don’t you?
            1. Arberes
              Arberes 25 July 2013 16: 57 New
              +1
              Quote: S_mirnov
              It seems that we were sent a team of Regressors from the work of the Strugatsky, don’t you?

              That’s what really bothers me is that all science fiction comes true sooner or later? drinks
  5. studentmati
    studentmati 25 July 2013 06: 43 New
    +2
    The method of conducting examinations during the period of Soviet education up to 1992, I consider the most progressive and most effective. At the next stage, a full-scale methodology for admission to higher educational institutions was worked out and effectively applied, which consisted in paying a "passing" point. Rave!!!! Guard!!!!
  6. vitek1233
    vitek1233 25 July 2013 06: 45 New
    +1
    Hello!!! Yes, the system was good. There was a result +
  7. Valery Neonov
    25 July 2013 06: 45 New
    +1
    "Opponents of the USE insisted on this even 10-15 years ago. But then nobody wanted to listen to us. We were confident that the system would collapse. And they were right. But now our opponents are submitting these proposals as their own. "- so after all the "switchman" must be found for "unsuccessful experiment". But as always.
    1. PPL
      PPL 25 July 2013 08: 36 New
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      These gentlemen do not care which way to go - if only at the head of the column. And they will find the culprit and "crucify" publicly, I have no doubt.
    2. Very old
      Very old 25 July 2013 13: 02 New
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      studentmati screaming: Bullshit !!!! Guard!!!! 10-15 years ago they did not hear, they will not hear today. We will wait for new stunning REFORMS (all with big). Already passed, but not learned, binary
  8. omsbon
    omsbon 25 July 2013 06: 57 New
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    Remove the exam from school as soon as possible, because education is the basis of progress!
    1. Very old
      Very old 25 July 2013 12: 54 New
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      Our "educated people" seem to be the last to care about progress. The main thing is REFORMS, which is not important. The itch of reforming does not give rest, and pulls to cook up something indigestible - you look, noted. And the fact that the exam for all the races is a collateral
  9. studentmati
    studentmati 25 July 2013 07: 03 New
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    I consider the replacement of Serdyukov with Shoigu the most effective !!!

    It's time to change the Minister of Education for a long time ....
    1. Russ69
      Russ69 25 July 2013 09: 41 New
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      Quote: studentmati
      I consider the replacement of Serdyukov with Shoigu the most effective !!!

      Shoigu, unfortunately, cannot be cloned smile
  10. Sirocco
    Sirocco 25 July 2013 07: 25 New
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    Oh, these rake dances, for some reason, history teaches nothing, and drivers of conclusions do not make our grief. More than once, different people interpreted in their own words the words of Bismarck, who, regarding the victory in the Battle of Sadovoy in 1866 in the Prussian war against Austria, said that she was won by a Prussian public teacher. It was understood that the soldiers and officers of the Prussian army at that time were better educated than the soldiers and officers of the enemy army. To paraphrase it, regarding the USSR, Churchill said that the Soviet Union won the war at the school desk. These words were repeated by Stalin. At the same time, he meant not only that the Soviet school prepared a huge number of young people who were able to master complex military equipment in the shortest possible time, were able to take accelerated courses in military schools in a short time and become well-trained commanders, but also that these young people were not only trained, but also brought up by the Soviet school. It was the school that raised the patriots of their socialist Fatherland from them. Maybe our minister of education lacks education? Perhaps he is a random person in this industry, I suspect that he attended school in the summer in the past. request
  11. Sirocco
    Sirocco 25 July 2013 07: 43 New
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    I want to add a quote from Zyuganov, I think it is relevant.
    (.... I want to remind you: now they are trying to idealize the whole era preceding the Great October Socialist Revolution of 1917. But you must always bear in mind that a country must be evaluated by its viability, by how the state can withstand critical conditions, in in particular, in military disasters.The fact is that this ability itself is determined by the general condition of the nation, the economic and spiritual heritage of the country. So, before the Great October Revolution, tsarist Russia lost three wars in a row - the Crimean, Russian-Japanese, imperialist.

    Why did you lose?
    Let me remind you that in the Russo-Japanese War, all Japanese soldiers were able to read well. In the Russian army, eight out of ten soldiers were illiterate. After the defeat in that war, Prime Minister Stolypin proposed the introduction of universal primary education. This offer was rejected. And only in 1916 he was accepted - when tsarist Russia lost the imperialist war.

    The Soviet government inherited a fragmented, destroyed economy, a decayed state and a population absolutely unprepared for effective modernization. But the Soviet government actually solved the most complex tasks in two five-year periods. In the prewar 10 years, six thousand of the best factories for that period were built, excellent schools, almost 100 pedagogical schools and institutes were created. Illiteracy was completely overcome.

    I was amazed when I studied the materials of the Nuremberg trials. Some leaders of the Wehrmacht claimed that they lost the war to the soldier and the army, which was brilliantly educated, perfectly organized and patriotically brought up, that they lost primarily to the teacher, who over the past 10 years coped with a unique historical task.

    Our education system has proven its merits and advantages not only in the Great Patriotic War, but also in space exploration. I read a report in which it was noted that the Americans were shocked after the launch of our first satellite. They sent a huge commission to us, which, based on the results of extensive work, prepared an in-depth report. So there was a chapter in it, which was called: “What Ivan knows and what Johnny does not know.”

    After reviewing the findings of that commission, the US Congress increased education allocations 10 times, considering that America lost the rivalry in space at the school desk and on the student bench. Finding out the reason for its backlog, the United States invested crazy capital in its education. And in parallel, they continued to buy brains around the world. ..)

    Source: Publication of the Chairman of the Central Committee of the Communist Party G.A. Zyuganov in the newspaper "Pravda", dedicated to the problems of education.
  12. valokordin
    valokordin 25 July 2013 07: 59 New
    +2
    If Fursenko and his patrons in the ruling environment are not parrots or creative monkeys repeating American tricks and jumps unconsciously, then their excretion is sabotage against the country, against the development and education of the Russian population.
  13. vovan50
    vovan50 25 July 2013 09: 28 New
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    I remember myself in the 1st grade. Gymnastics with belt, cap, starlet (cut out of cardboard and covered with red cloth). As I was proud of all this, I went to school with joy. In the lessons between the stars (5 people), competitions were held, it was very interesting.
  14. knn54
    knn54 25 July 2013 09: 57 New
    +1
    Education Minister Fursenko & Co. is an NGO, only in the field of education.
  15. serge
    serge 25 July 2013 10: 57 New
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    Everything has long been clear to everyone. The USE was introduced by the Americans through their direct agents, although society was against it. The Ministry of Education needs a total cleanup.
  16. pechv
    pechv 25 July 2013 11: 40 New
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    We are a little late with the reaction of society to the projects of education reform. Another project is the upgrade of our universities. We are already allocating money. I even know who will earn this money :)
  17. KazaK Bo
    KazaK Bo 25 July 2013 12: 03 New
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    Our "reformers" at one time took the American experience as a model.

    ... imagine ... how many dissertations have been written !!!! How many new candidates and doctors appeared !!!!
    The United States acknowledged the failure of the test system, and in 2009, President Obama canceled it. The country has switched to the classical form of oral exams.

    ..and how many dissertations will be written now ... !!! After all, old candidates for a doctor who previously scientifically proved the correctness of what has now failed and has been canceled will join the new job seekers. After all, they also want to become now full-fledged doctors ...
    ... the principle of "portfolio", when the student’s work is not evaluated on test assignments, but takes into account creativity, classes in circles, victories at olympiads and contests, etc.

    What a discovery! It turns out that we only have children that "study in circles ... participate in the Olympics and competitions" ... I wonder ... where is this so ... except for Moscow and St. Petersburg? Dear author, read what you offered us ... and now close your eyes ... put your hand on your heart and honestly admit that this is the same scam as the exam ... only a side view ... - this is an expansion of horizons and deepening of knowledge ... not Olympics and competitions - these are the same tests to test the depth of knowledge. Knowledge is given by the TEACHER! Not by “coaching”, like a bear in a circus, but by systematic and painstaking, but intelligible teaching of certain sciences. No matter how who and what says, but the primary is the TEACHER, whom Fursenko and Livanov turned into a "trainer".
    But what’s interesting ... after all, there is no coaching in elite schools. There really are collected beautiful and well-trained teachers who teach children not through training, but through hard work with the student give real knowledge. For some reason, these schools, the Fursenkovs and Livanovs, are in no hurry to reform ... They need a competent change of immigrants from their social strata ... they do not need competent immigrants from the lower social stratum ... enough surface training from them ... Why is this so mrs. LEBANONS? After all, we are all equal in rights!
    Our school does not need tests. We need training and education in one "bottle" - TEACHER!
    1. Bort radist
      Bort radist 25 July 2013 15: 14 New
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      Quote: KazaK Bo
      Knowledge is given by the TEACHER!

      Stamp! Sorry, of course. Teachers create an "atmosphere" for the development of the inherent potential in the child. Without talented students, there will be no illustrious teachers. Schools, institutes, ........ are looking for students with inclinations.
  18. Very old
    Very old 25 July 2013 12: 45 New
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    Quote: Garrin
    Welcome all! hi
    Why not return to the Soviet education system at all? Naturally adjusted for current realities.
    After all, she has proven herself perfectly and was much more effective than the current Bologna.

    Well, this is not Reform at all, but OURS without Reforms - and not here and there.
    1. Garrin
      Garrin 25 July 2013 12: 56 New
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      Quote: Very old
      Well, this is not Reform at all, but OURS without Reforms - and not here and there.

      But why? Rename the police in police - is it a reform? Reform. And if the current gymnasiums and lyceums are called schools again? Reform, and even WHAT.
      We will reform. The budget will endure. But people ...
      I do not know ...
  19. f-111117
    f-111117 25 July 2013 12: 47 New
    +1
    you are probably the same age as my father, for your whole life. he didn’t insult the USSR with a single word, the smart man read the whole library in our village then at the state farm, beat the champion of the chess school five times without straining, the whole state farm went to him for advice, with 8 education classes + crafts, shoe laces learned to tie in at 16 years old, but what now?
    Values ​​just changed, before the teacher could oppose himself to the headmaster, now where this is not possible at all
  20. f-111117
    f-111117 25 July 2013 12: 51 New
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    As the well-known character said - "WHAT IS THE TRUE brother?
  21. Begemot
    Begemot 25 July 2013 14: 29 New
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    Have you played enough?
  22. Goldmitro
    Goldmitro 25 July 2013 14: 30 New
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    <<< But, I'm afraid that the most important losses are the generation that has passed through the Unified State Exam, which cannot be called otherwise than flawed. It will be difficult for him to find himself in life. Our "reformers" at one time took the American experience as a model. But the United States acknowledged the failure of the test system, and President Obama canceled it in 2009. The country has switched to the classical form of oral examinations. >>>
    And our liberals from education and other pro-Westerners, who are seated in power and drooling on geymocratic values, all this nevermind! Frankly speaking, the order to debilitate the young generation of Russia in the interests of the West is FULFILLED, considerable state funds allocated for education are successfully mastered, and they do not give a damn about the rest!
  23. Captain45
    Captain45 25 July 2013 21: 27 New
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    Really. That has stirred in the heads and it seems that the matter is moving from a dead center, as well as much in the country. Quietly, imperceptibly, but turns in the right direction. God forbid. Here's just my kid next year finishes school , and they were trained on the exam, but oh well, I think we can handle it. But the daughter has a chance to get a normal education and this makes me happy.
  24. as2604
    as2604 26 July 2013 11: 15 New
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    poor children, another reform