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Without a declaration of war. Pork plague, serous meningitis and other fighters against the Russian manufacturer

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A small settlement in the Belgorod region. Early in the morning a green van GAZ-66 appears, resembling a military man. Three of them come out in black coats, long rubber boots, gloves and bluish pharmacy masks at five rubles each. They are directed to the territory of the complex, owned by a local farmer, who has been in the pig business for a little over three years. Business, it should be noted profitable: Belgorod pork is famous in various regions of the country.


The door to the farmer complex is trying to open with his feet, but a reliable bolt does not allow. The gate is also locked. Hearing the furious desire of the "aliens" to enter the farm, a local watchman, a guard, is sent to the address - immediately open the gate and let in the car and personnel of a certain structure to combat the spread of African swine fever on the farm's territory. Following the watchman, Anatoly S., the head of the peasant farm, who was “visited” today, is also coming to the conversation. Those who came to him explained that African swine fever had penetrated into the area, which is spreading rapidly throughout the Black Soil and threatening the health of not only animals, but also ... people. And so that nothing threatens health, you just need to put the pigs to sleep, and then burn them directly on the farm itself, which the detachment is about to start ... They stated for convincingness that in the neighboring area more than three hundred pigs in different farms died from the African plague.



The farmer's words that just last week the regional veterinary inspection came to the farm, which did not reveal the infected animals, did not affect the masked people.

When Anatoly S. asked for documents confirming the fact that African swine fever was rampant in the area, then after an extended pause, he received an amazing answer: we forgot them - you need to watch TV ... Left unsatisfied with that answer, the farmer just called on his mobile, and after a couple of minutes at the gate there were already dozens of people armed with pitchforks, shovels and crowbars. Try to enter private territory - we are not responsible for ourselves.
The “newcomers” were forced to retire, without submitting any documents about what kind of service they represent, and on what basis they intend to destroy the pig population, which gives work to more than thirty residents of the village.


However, this is an isolated case when the confrontation with the “black veterinarians” was won thanks to the efforts of the population. Where more often the pig livestock is simply destroyed, and also without any veterinary examinations and the provision of documents. We arrived, opened the gates of the farmstead, made lethal injections to animals, threw carcasses into a dug pit, doused them with gasoline and set them on fire in front of the owners of dead animals. Result: hundreds of ruined private farmsteads, peasant farms, closing thousands of jobs, loans unpaid by farmers, empty counters on regional markets, which were always full of fresh pork and meat products of domestic production, in which this sort of meat was included.

The question is: on what basis is the destruction of a huge number of animals, which by definition could not have become infected with African plague, since they were transferred to free-keeping with the use of domestic food additives recommended by the veterinary services? There can be two answers: either animals are infected artificially, or wild-scale spread of infection is a myth that is needed to achieve certain goals. What are these goals?

After the so-called kolkhoz markets in the Belgorod, Voronezh, Lipetsk and other regions of Russia, domestic pork completely disappeared, and after domestic meat processing plants were forced to switch to an increase in the percentage of using foreign frozen raw materials, the forces that the African pork plague (or myth about her) in Russia can be very profitable. One of these forces is large foreign suppliers of meat products, the composition of which will not be determined by any veterinary service or chemical laboratory ... Somehow it all sounds very much like the answer to the Ministry of Agriculture to increase the preferences for the domestic agricultural producer.
As soon as the words were said that import duties could be increased for foreign meat products, and the situation with the ban on the import of certain types of meat from the USA, Germany and other countries of the world abated, the African plague suddenly struck Russia. It struck both small owners of pig livestock and large farms that went bankrupt literally overnight.

A man who has become accustomed to buying fresh pork in the market in recent years has suddenly been faced with the need to either revise his diet or give preference to products that contain pork from European, North or South American production. That pork, it turns out, is not plague, but Russian, you understand plague ...
The order for the African plague in Russia could well become one of the tools of those who had long since settled down at the World Trade Organization, and were used to solving emerging issues, let's say, in unconventional ways. One state does not want to come to terms with the price and volumes of supplies - we will think of a way to make it more compliant. Yesterday - bird flu, today - African swine fever, tomorrow, God forgive me, barley caries ... And the main carriers of this infection are not birds or pigs at all, but numerous media ... By reading the headlines of many Russian publications, you can forever repulse desire ever look at pork chop, not what to eat it for. If we summarize the data that the press presented about the “case” of pigs in Russia, here we are talking about millions of individuals ...

At the same time, we learn that literally all Russian regions are affected by children's enterovirus, for the treatment of which several types of drugs are exclusively of foreign manufacture. They say that in Russia they have not reached the mind before creating their own effective medicine against the same serous meningitis. They say, you can, of course, find your own, but they literally lose by several orders of magnitude to European advanced counterparts ... And the medical officials didn’t start talking at once about the fact that children just need to wash their hands more often and eat washed fruits and vegetables. First, foreign drugs ...

Without a declaration of war. Pork plague, serous meningitis and other fighters against the Russian manufacturer


Pig swine fever, children's serous meningitis - seemingly unrelated things. But this is only at first glance. On closer examination, it turns out that the strings lead away across the Russian borders, leading to new revenues from the Russian market for meat and pharmacological products manufacturers.

If we consider that over the past two months, more than 10 countries have complained to Russia through the WTO, which, you see, are concerned about the increase in duties for foreign products from the Russian leadership, do the threads mentioned above also lead to the WTO? .. We have already understood for the time that Russia is in the WTO, the main purpose of this organization is the elimination of competitors and the receipt of new markets for products of certain countries in all possible ways. Therefore, it is time to rename the WTO to some WOLK - the World Organization for the Elimination of Competitors.
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  1. omsbon
    omsbon 25 July 2013 07: 10 New
    50
    Many problems of Russia originate abroad!
    1. krasin
      krasin 25 July 2013 07: 27 New
      27
      The "aliens" were forced to retire without submitting any documents about what service they represent

      We are all looking for answers abroad. If the local authorities worked, there wouldn’t be any such black veterinarians. And they still want to raise their salaries, they don’t even earn it, they work for Uncle Sam.
      1. domokl
        domokl 25 July 2013 07: 40 New
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        Quote: krasin
        If the local government worked, these black veterinarians would not be

        I agree. We want too much from our chief, but we somehow bypass the local princes. But we must take them by the gills and poke our nose into such facts. If you are in power, so rule for the good of your land. Settlement-rule for the benefit of the village and not the world as a whole, city for the benefit of the city, region for the benefit of the region.
        In the East, there is a wonderful saying: Every donkey should wear his ears. Here you have to ask these ears from the donkey. Where did these black veterinarians come from? Who are they and where did they go? Find and answer the same farmer and other farmers. get yourself farmers or a janitor.
        1. Russian
          Russian 25 July 2013 11: 58 New
          14
          Just the other day there was a program about this on TVC. How secret laboratories are being created in Ukraine and Georgia, where no one is allowed in, and even local authorities ignore it. And do you know who they belong to? To the Americans! S * ki poison us on all fronts. Sometimes you think that it would be better if the war was at least openly fought, otherwise they quietly kill us, and we all sit peacefully!
          1. zvereok
            zvereok 25 July 2013 12: 12 New
            +7
            Quote: р_у_с_с_к_и_й
            Just the other day there was a program about this on TVC. How secret laboratories are created in Ukraine and Georgia, where no one is allowed


            The Georgian laboratory is one year less years old than Sabakashvili ruled. They have been talking about what kind of viruses the Americans are growing in it and how this relates to our State Security for at least 5 years. So much for you "the other day".
            1. Scoun
              Scoun 25 July 2013 12: 28 New
              +4
              Quote: zvereok
              What viruses are

              here yesterday the article was about the 2008 Olympics
              Soon Sochi and next to it again the United States and Georgia with an Ame5 African biolaboratory ...
              Scoun RU Yesterday, 17:38 | The US is preparing Russia's bio-bomb
              From another article "don't play the fool america"
              Well, China should generally be eternally grateful to Russia. Since it’s obvious that the main blow to the Tskhinval ledge by Saakashvili’s hands was inflicted not on Russia, but in order to discredit China and the Beijing Olympics - and this is worth a lot
              Although this is a controversial statement that the main blow 08.08.08 was aimed at Beijing ...
              But the upcoming Winter Olympics in Sochi - the biological laboratory in Georgia are very annoying .. because at the Olympics there will be the best athletes from around the world, guests from around the world ... and if the Americans arrange a sabotage there with the virus ... and the victims are twin towers nearby did not stand... I can't even imagine the scale of the event .. and the sshshnye mattress toppers will blame everything on "dirty" Russia.
              I hope all current statements are made in advance ... so that the Americans know what we know.
              IMHA.
            2. Russian
              Russian 25 July 2013 14: 34 New
              +4
              Quote: zvereok


              The Georgian laboratory is one year less years old than Sabakashvili ruled. They have been talking about what kind of viruses the Americans are growing in it and how this relates to our State Security for at least 5 years. So much for you "the other day".


              Well, that’s right, such information is difficult to get on the air, it’s better to show more stupid TV shows and crime, and Vanya with a bottle of beer, or something heavier, is quicker and quicker.
              1. zvereok
                zvereok 25 July 2013 22: 49 New
                +2
                Yes, this information should not be broadcast. The authorities should take some action, in this regard, preferably noiselessly ... Well, think about it, a couple of microbiologists will die of swine flu in the workplace ... We haven’t had such a thing, it happened to us Emperors smashed a snuffbox from an apoplexy blow ...
            3. poquello
              poquello 25 July 2013 20: 28 New
              +3
              The Georgians were already shy, they were reorganizing everything.
              "The US-funded Richard Lugar Center for Public Health Research on the outskirts of Tbilisi will soon become one of the departments of the Ministry of Labor, Health and Social Protection of Georgia, said the head of the department, David Sergeenko."
              1. zvereok
                zvereok 25 July 2013 22: 51 New
                +3
                Quote: poquello
                The Georgians were already shy, they were reorganizing everything.
                "The US-funded Richard Lugar Center for Public Health Research on the outskirts of Tbilisi will soon become one of the departments of the Ministry of Labor, Health and Social Protection of Georgia, said the head of the department, David Sergeenko."


                Well, we’ve already thrown the distemper, we can cover the tracks too.

                Especially since the Americans seemed to have thrown them, leaving the lobes and saying: you guys are paying, and we will come again in a few years.
          2. washi
            washi 25 July 2013 16: 15 New
            +4
            I agree. Against US and not only a biological war.
            Before the collapse of the USSR and the abandonment of the legs, no one had heard of AIDS, flu - swine, bird, etc.
            1. KERGUDU BIMBAR
              KERGUDU BIMBAR 25 July 2013 20: 35 New
              +7
              it's time to lower ... the curtain
              iron sad
      2. anip
        anip 25 July 2013 08: 01 New
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        Quote: krasin
        If the local authorities worked, these black veterinarians wouldn’t even be mentioned.

        And where did you get this? Maybe the local government is just doing it, that's why the "black veterinarians" are acting.
        1. AVV
          AVV 25 July 2013 11: 12 New
          +9
          Just trivially clean competitors !!!
      3. Sirjey
        Sirjey 25 July 2013 12: 22 New
        +9
        I am a resident of the Belgorod region and I know not by hearsay that our "respected" Governor Yevgeny Stepanovich Savchenko has interests in the pig business. Agro-Belgorye, which supplies up to 30% of pork to the Russian market. Hence one conclusion - black veterinarians work at his behest - 100%. And there are two possible reasons:
        1. Removes competitors in the form of small farmers and farms in connection with the entry into the WTO and, as a result, an influx of Western competitors.
        2. Indeed, there is a threat of infection with swine flu and it will exterminate ALL pork on all farms and healthy including to prevent infection in Agro-Belogorye. Since this is already a multi-million loss.
        1. Vasilenko Vladimir
          Vasilenko Vladimir 25 July 2013 12: 28 New
          +1
          Well, if the enterprise is huge, then small farmers are not competitors to it, these are different segments
          and swine flu and African plague are two different sores
          1. Vasilenko Vladimir
            Vasilenko Vladimir 25 July 2013 22: 02 New
            0
            well minus stuck some city wise guy, and defend their point of view?
        2. a52333
          a52333 25 July 2013 14: 55 New
          +1
          Hi Sergey, I am also Belgorodsky, but I don’t share 100% of your opinion. Savchenko is protected not only by Agro-Belogorye, but also by Miratorg, BVK. Protects large. This is natural. And what, didn’t they pay compensation for the pigs that year? I think you should not see corruption and Western machinations everywhere. So we will get to paranoia.
          1. nov_tech.vrn
            nov_tech.vrn 25 July 2013 16: 46 New
            +2
            Well, tell me how much compensation is per kilogram of live weight, and we will laugh
            1. Vasilenko Vladimir
              Vasilenko Vladimir 25 July 2013 18: 05 New
              +1
              1 touches me poking strangers
              2 you yourself on the topic, can you say something literate?
              There are 3 quarantine events in ANY COUNTRY OF THE WORLD, another question is that the article does not understand who came, why it came and where
            2. Sirjey
              Sirjey 25 July 2013 18: 21 New
              +1
              I’ll say a laugh for the sake of - official compensation - 6 rubles. per kg)))))
              1. Vasilenko Vladimir
                Vasilenko Vladimir 25 July 2013 18: 47 New
                0
                but without laughter, where does this information come from, you are of. read a document or what?
              2. maxvet
                maxvet 26 July 2013 09: 27 New
                0
                60 rubles per kg of live weight
              3. Vasilenko Vladimir
                Vasilenko Vladimir 26 July 2013 12: 53 New
                0
                Article 19. Seizure of animals and (or) animal products during the elimination of foci of especially dangerous animal diseases


                When eliminating foci of especially dangerous animal diseases by decisions of the highest executive bodies of state power of the constituent entities of the Russian Federation, taken on the submissions of the persons referred to in Article 9 of this Law, animals and (or) animal products may be withdrawn with payment to the owner of the animal and (or) animal products the cost of animals and (or) livestock products at the expense of the budget of the relevant constituent entity of the Russian Federation and the issuance of the relevant document to such owner seizure.

                In cases where foci of especially dangerous animal diseases are of federal or interregional importance and measures to eliminate such foci, including the removal of animals and (or) livestock products, are carried out on the basis of a decision of the Chief State Veterinary Inspector of the Russian Federation, subsidies for these activities are allocated from the federal budget to the budgets of the constituent entities of the Russian Federation, in the territories of which these activities are carried out, fifty percent of the cost is withdrawn animals and (or) livestock products.

                The list of especially dangerous animal diseases is determined by the federal executive body in the field of legal regulation in veterinary medicine.

                The procedure for the seizure of animals and (or) livestock products during the elimination of foci of especially dangerous animal diseases is established by the Government of the Russian Federation.

                The assessment of the value of the seized property may be challenged by the owner of the property in court.
        3. ceramics
          ceramics 25 July 2013 15: 15 New
          +7
          !!!! One to one situation in the Volgograd region. Huber Bozhenov, as he came to the board from Astrakhan, from the same year, and the plague fell, annually. Almost all livestock was bred in the region, only the industrial one remained on the shelves. Has its own pork factory, and built on budget money.
          1. Vasilenko Vladimir
            Vasilenko Vladimir 25 July 2013 18: 08 New
            -3
            Quote: Sergey
            Almost all livestock was bred in the region, only the industrial one remained on the shelves. Has its own pork factory, and built on budget money.

            You can present the facts here, what is on "budget" or what is "your little factory"?
            1. Vasilenko Vladimir
              Vasilenko Vladimir 26 July 2013 13: 00 New
              -1
              listen to minuscule people, learn to answer for your words, they said that the head of the administration is a thief, lay out the facts, there are none, reduce gossip in the kitchen
      4. vezunchik
        vezunchik 25 July 2013 16: 49 New
        +5
        the fish rots from the head ... That's when these heads get what they deserve, then the process will go ...
        1. Dimy4
          Dimy4 25 July 2013 21: 50 New
          +1
          It is on these very heads that we must give you so that they, these heads, sit and work, because otherwise they can be swept away by a filthy broom. And they are not afraid of the higher authorities - all of them, one corporate person for all.
      5. Fox
        Fox 25 July 2013 19: 51 New
        +3
        Quote: krasin
        If the local government worked

        remember how Putin simply said on TV, “we have no bird flu!” ... and he was gone.
      6. Geisenberg
        Geisenberg 25 July 2013 22: 35 New
        +2
        Quote: krasin
        If the local authorities worked, these black veterinarians wouldn’t even be mentioned.


        And if it did not work, then the question would not arise. Some kind of crap can be traced here. If the locals propped up the "veterinarians", then why did they release them without clarifying their identity, why the cops were not called in, why did they not break in the dyule?
      7. Theophanes
        Theophanes 26 July 2013 15: 28 New
        +1
        "... work for Uncle Sam." Similarly, everyone who is in power works for their own pocket and no matter where it gets into this pocket. Serdyukov and his harem mother are at large, looking at them and the rest of the bureaucrats are stealing on whatever they can and as they can. That is why we have either African plague, or meningitis, or a new influenza virus. The liberal government does not do a damn thing, sabotages and grabs ...
    2. Vovka levka
      Vovka levka 25 July 2013 08: 15 New
      +1
      Quote: omsbon
      Many problems of Russia originate abroad!

      Not in our brains. There is no more terrible enemy, we ourselves have undead.
      1. avt
        avt 25 July 2013 11: 56 New
        +1
        Quote: Vovka Levka
        Not in our brains. There is no more terrible enemy, we ourselves have undead.

        I agree, but not to the end. All the same, first, it is either invested in, or born by itself under the influence of being, a kind of left-wing thought. Well, the current state of general consumption, as a dream of being, completely dulls the critical perception and attempt to comprehend.
    3. Gomunkul
      Gomunkul 25 July 2013 08: 45 New
      +5
      Many problems of Russia originate abroad!
      Our story speaks eloquently about this! It is difficult to calculate how many wars our people went through to defend their right to live on their land! Our ancestors preserved the country for us, our task is to protect it and pass it on to our descendants. hi
    4. Ribwort
      Ribwort 25 July 2013 10: 26 New
      +1
      Quote: omsbon
      Many problems of Russia originate abroad!

      Abroad, they were always not opposed to arranging for Russia a problem or two ... Only earlier it didn’t work out that way. And now - easily. Maybe the reason is not abroad (it was, is and will be)? We draw conclusions ...
    5. Joker
      Joker 25 July 2013 11: 21 New
      +6
      If someone thinks that the article is exaggerated, then I will say no. My mother-in-law lives in the village of Voronezh region, so all the pigs were killed in the whole village with the permission of the district head, pigs were taken, put to sleep and burned, and some were even burned alive. Here is a video

      No expertise, no documents no one provided. This is the Bogucharsky district. And somehow, without fawn, the news that the head of administration is building a pig-breeding complex has slipped through in Boguchar. The mother-in-law has no pigs, so there is nothing to take away, and I was in standby mode, I wanted to talk to these hoops am
      1. Dober
        Dober 25 July 2013 12: 31 New
        +3
        Quote: Joker
        Mother-in-law lives in the village of the Voronezh region, so they killed all the pigs in the whole village with the permission of the district head, took the pigs, put them to sleep and burned, and even burned some of them alive.

        The info from the Voronezh region also came to mind when the farmers went to the administration with a pitchfork for the destruction of their cattle, allegedly infected with the plague. But according to veterinarians, ALL cases of infection were noted not in private farmsteads but in large meat processing plants.
        Including and imported meat.
        It seems that then and there the case was hushed up, not without the help of special forces. But the bureaucratic ultimatum was harsh - "Once again, let's take up the axes and Molotov cocktails."
        Who knows more ...
        1. maxvet
          maxvet 25 July 2013 17: 10 New
          -2
          Just the majority in private courtyards, and about pitchfork with cocktails, honestly the first time I hear
      2. Vasilenko Vladimir
        Vasilenko Vladimir 25 July 2013 12: 51 New
        -3
        if they allowed now something to wave sabers, this is the position when they have you and you also ask in what position the rapist will be conveniently fed up.
        The head of the administration in this matter, I'm sorry no one solves a similar issue of SES and veterinary supervision, there are no documents - everything is in the garden
      3. maxvet
        maxvet 25 July 2013 16: 09 New
        0
        In the first threatened zone, all pigs are destroyed, in the second the livestock is banned, meat markets are closed, in the third the pigs are restricted in their movement. In the Kalacheevsky district, a pig farm of 40 thousand heads was destroyed (we are not only fighting private traders).
        Regarding livestock, they pay compensation, and if adult pigs are not very large, then piglets are very profitable.
        Regarding the complex of the head of administration, the private owner of the complex will never be a competitor, the volumes are not the same
        About me veterinarian paradise SBBZH Voronezh region
        1. Dober
          Dober 25 July 2013 18: 28 New
          +5
          Quote: maxvet
          About me veterinarian paradise SBBZH Voronezh region

          Very well. Then can you comment on this
          I’ll tell you how it was with us. Punishers came to us at 12 o’clock in the morning, we had three sows and a boar. Pigs slept at all, we woke them up, drove them out of the household. The nurse came and gave everyone an injection, and they walk around the yard, weed they’re pinching, they’re not going to die, they were injected with another injection, then another 6-7 times. Vaska fell first, then Masha began to fall, My wife cries all the way to the street, my tears strangle me when I saw pigs fighting in their stomachs, dead sows are already jumping, after a few minutes the pigs are quiet. They were loaded into the tractor bucket, weighed one at a time, the boar weighed 260 kg, and sows about 300 kg. Each breed was excellent, would have been farrowed after 2 weeks. I wanted to shoot it on video, but I couldn’t, it’s dark. That's the way it was with us in the village of Lugovoy in the Bogucharsky district.
          They wanted to destroy all the livestock in the village in one day, but still ran out of steam and killed the next day until evening. And one guy in the village. The Vietnamese pigs were dressed up, and their skin was strong, the needles on the syringes were broken, so they killed with an hammer and an ax. We killed about 2000 in total, more than 1200 animals on the pig farm, the rest were private


          These are supposedly slaughtered pigs who are driven to burn-



          There are a lot of such things on the network, but specifically it is taken from here (photos and videos are not for the faint of heart) -

          http://www.yaplakal.com/forum1/topic610295.html

          Read the comments. It is not otherwise "surplus appropriation" in its cruellest form. I remember the "Holodomor".

          Another quote from the published -
          , Vova is preparing the ground for a tolerant attitude towards the Muslim population growing wildly in Russia ... because pigs insult them, and mosques need to be built somewhere ... current The way completely closes one’s eyes that these obscurantists are Islamic pigs and all Russians are considered. so, soon in Vovan’s plans, we, too, should * uy, * la, first prick, if * uya didn’t work, why burn like a hateful hog, pig-RUSSIAN.
          Think for yourself, decide for yourself ...


          And here is another "fictional" article about the actions of the authorities in Voronezh.
          Suddenly it turns out that the plague was found on two sites of the Agroeko pig farm! And this is at an enterprise that has a 4th (highest) degree of protection. Where the plague is IMPOSSIBLE. But she is there! But the peasants, the "weak link", which is ordered to destroy as a class, no ASF.
          After long requests and exhortations, excited and excited by the unrest, the head of the district administration Nikolay Kotolevsky finally arrived to meet with the village gathering. This "effective manager", as local communists say, receives a monthly cash reward of 200 thousand rubles. (There is something to lose!) He finally inflamed the passions of those gathered, having failed (together with the chief veterinarian of the region Yury Lazko) ​​to essentially answer a single question. Namely:...

          Further here -http://www.zavtra.ru/content/view/gubernator-otdyihaet-a-derevnya-podyihaet/
        2. poquello
          poquello 25 July 2013 20: 45 New
          +3
          Veterinarian, but is this disgusting quarantine without options? Well, there are single plastic pens, sealed, for unwilling to kill cattle, quarantine for a healthy herd?
          1. maxvet
            maxvet 26 July 2013 09: 37 New
            0
            In principle, no options. Dober, I understand your feelings, but the defining words in your experience - "They wanted to destroy all the livestock in the village in one day," perhaps this is why at night. Compensation was paid at 60 rubles per kg, or stung to 57 -59 r per kg?
            Regarding the article and veterinarians in shishig, which the grandfather drove away with a pitchfork, either the author himself came up with, or small crooks tried to pick up the pigs from the grandfather
            1. poquello
              poquello 26 July 2013 19: 57 New
              +1
              Quote: maxvet
              In principle, no options.


              In principle, this is chaos, and in the form as it is done now, it is necessary to pay a minimum of losses at the market price minus 10 percent, then cases of false positives will be more interesting for the responsible state. bodies.
              1. maxvet
                maxvet 27 July 2013 07: 46 New
                0
                for piglets up to 2 months they pay 2 TR, then 60 rubles per kg of live weight (although they can pay 57-59 rubles per kg)
              2. Vasilenko Vladimir
                Vasilenko Vladimir 27 July 2013 09: 33 New
                0
                Quote: poquello
                it's a mess

                according to the article of the law, you can go to court and justify the wrong price
                1. maxvet
                  maxvet 27 July 2013 11: 36 New
                  0
                  absolutely right
    6. Gari
      Gari 25 July 2013 11: 57 New
      +6
      Quote: omsbon
      Many problems of Russia originate abroad!

      And not only in Russia, but in all the countries of the former USSR, and precisely after the collapse of that Great Country, the emergence of so many viruses, diseases, epidemics, infections, you involuntarily think about their artificial origin and target direction.
      1. alex-cn
        alex-cn 25 July 2013 14: 25 New
        +3
        Yes, almost everything is local, they simply destroyed the bacteriological and virological services in the sanitary-epidemiological surveillance system
    7. Strashila
      Strashila 25 July 2013 12: 00 New
      +5
      Many problems of Russia have their origin abroad! ... many problems of Russia have their origin because of the lack of a border as such ... there is no state, there is territory.
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    8. APASUS
      APASUS 25 July 2013 13: 14 New
      +4
      Quote: omsbon
      Many problems of Russia originate abroad!

      For this reason, the most powerful sanitary-epidemiological service was created in the USSR, then we were very well aware of the capabilities of our enemy, and now we are partners .......
    9. starshina78
      starshina78 25 July 2013 19: 43 New
      +3
      Biological diversion of the States against Russia! Feet grow from there!
    10. Geisenberg
      Geisenberg 25 July 2013 20: 58 New
      0
      Quote: omsbon
      Many problems of Russia originate abroad!


      Everything except fools and roads.
    11. aksakal
      aksakal 25 July 2013 22: 09 New
      0
      Quote: omsbon
      Many problems of Russia originate abroad!

      the mushroom Onishchenko just got carried away by big politics am In the stall instead of pigs, that would catch mice! His duty is not to omit Saakashvili-Ivanishvili and Svile, but to identify whether it is a myth or not a myth, and if not a myth, then how to minimize the damage to save your own peasants from ruin! There’s a way to get out of it in skillful insults of countries that want and without him, for this Zhirik is there, but she, Onishchenko, either let him do business, or vacate the chair and compete with Zhirik! Mlyn, Putin, really, then Serdyukov, now this is what is not in the know, the myth or not the myth is this plague, but in the know - guano or not guano is the wine of a neighboring country! am It's a shame for Russian farmers, we have the same thing with our shepherds. Actually called economic diversion - one of the forms of unfair competition. And if neither our nor Russian rulers for 20 years of the existence of a market economy have ever learned to recognize these things - they are worthless and they go!
    12. Letterksi
      Letterksi 25 July 2013 23: 14 New
      +1
      Ingenious! And the pluses, how many! good Almighty West drove the country into the WTO? maybe the almighty president and EdRo? And who allowed the pigs to be euthanized without papers and other things (although they could have shown paper)?

      When the same thing happened in Egypt. And in Egypt only Copts are engaged in pig breeding. The Copts said: "If you come to us to kill the pigs and I throw them into the pits, then you yourself will be in the pit next to us." Therefore, no one in Egypt euthanized pigs and caused a loss. But I really wanted
      1. aksakal
        aksakal 26 July 2013 11: 31 New
        0
        Quote: LetterKsi
        Almighty West drove the country into the WTO? maybe the almighty president and EdRo? And who allowed the pigs to be euthanized without papers and other things (although they could have shown paper)?
        - respected, the question is clearly posed - there is a federal sanitary service, it is primarily for the purpose of both preventing an exacerbation of the epidemic situation, and in order to get an objective picture of this very situation. And if an "epidemic bubble" arose in SABZh, which was not rejected by the federal service of Onishchenko, then either a puncture of this service, or Onishchenko in a share and he gets a share from each ruined peasant! If they saw a bubble, then they turn to the competent authorities in connection with suspicions of the fact of economic sabotage - and this, on a large scale, falls under the state security of Russia, then the competent authorities (on a large scale - this is the FSB of Russia) clarifies the picture. Upon receiving the picture, measures of effective counteraction are worked out, that's all. Is that clear to you? What does the WTO have to do with it? Russia, as a vast market, is of interest to many both without the WTO, and within the WTO - here membership in this organization does not change anything. And if interested, they will act as in the SABZH.
        I myself in the course of work in 90 faced this. At that time I was fond of poultry, and in Kazakhstan we had such a cross (this is the term for a branch in the breed) of laying hens - "Alatau" was called. This cross (the labor of generations of breeders, by the way) has now disappeared and our poultry farms now use Israeli layers (I don't remember the name, and it doesn't matter). So, I myself am a witness, under what circumstances and in general how our cross was cut and replaced with an Israeli one. Kazakhstan then was not close to the WTO! I will not tell, I will just clearly state that this kind of unfair competition on the part of the Israelis is unacceptable, and I will be a convinced enemy of Israel until they give up such methods. In SABJ it may not be Israel either, but my post is not against Israel, my post is indignation, why is it that we have in Kazakhstan, that in Russia, statesmen DO NOT FULFILL their DIRECT duties?
  2. domokl
    domokl 25 July 2013 07: 22 New
    +5
    On the one hand, I want to say, NO African and other plague on our tables ... And on the other, for some reason, diseases arise precisely when the question of own agriculture is raised.
    And secondly, the article is very accurate in the light of the statements of Putin and Lavrov on the development of bacteriological weapons by some countries (this is what I politically correct lol )
    Almost all experts predicted that active destruction of our agriculture will be conducted now. And everyone knew about it. What are we surprised at?
    The tactics of drug distribution through WHO decisions (for you and me) have been worked out. Why not apply it to animal husbandry?
    This is only the beginning ... further it will be even more fun. Onishchenko needs to look for more helpers. And strengthen the veterinary services.
    1. washi
      washi 25 July 2013 16: 16 New
      +1
      Still need to add laws to minimize checks
  3. studentmati
    studentmati 25 July 2013 07: 34 New
    +1
    Guys, don’t panic! Remember, first of all, that rumors are the main weapon for panic!
    Our pigs are the cleanest in the whole district !!! It is checked, there is a quality mark !!! Come to me, check it out !!! Free in the neighborhood. For nonresident - ruble - piglet.
    1. washi
      washi 25 July 2013 16: 18 New
      0
      Check - the ruble, and transportation?
  4. cobalt
    cobalt 25 July 2013 07: 35 New
    +6
    What we want, the federal veterinary service was eliminated, everything was transferred to the shoulders of the subjects, financing of these services, respectively, is weak. The veterinarians themselves are morally corrupt by bribery. They do not want to serve. For 500 - 1000 rubles, any certificates will be issued for the sale of meat on the market.
    1. maxvet
      maxvet 27 July 2013 13: 21 New
      0
      do not generalize
  5. the polar
    the polar 25 July 2013 08: 03 New
    +7
    And what are the FSB generals busy with? Study 282 Art. and fighting "extremism" at their Mediterranean dachas?
    1. stroporez
      stroporez 25 July 2013 11: 13 New
      +3
      exactly this ............
    2. zvereok
      zvereok 25 July 2013 12: 16 New
      +3
      Quote: Polar
      Mediterranean cottages?


      How can you? These are not "Mediterranean dachas", this is a "modest dwelling", everything must be according to the law !.
  6. treskoed
    treskoed 25 July 2013 08: 14 New
    +4
    It looks like the machinations of Zionism!
  7. igordok
    igordok 25 July 2013 08: 43 New
    0
    The African plague has come down to us.
    Because of the African swine fever (Montgomery disease) in the south of the Pskov region, additional licenses are issued for the shooting of wild boars. And on the M20 highway in Opochka, on the M9 highway in Kunye and on the P51 highway in Lokna, barriers are installed.
  8. Grenz
    Grenz 25 July 2013 08: 43 New
    10
    What did statesmen think when they joined the WTO, that all talk about capitalism with its wolf-like face is a fairy tale. A long time ago a film was made: "Business People" from three short stories. There, in one cowboy after robbing a train, he says to another: "Bob, I'm sorry that your bay one broke her leg, but Bolivar can't stand two" and shot the poor man, and later he became a millionaire.
    And the FSB has nothing to do with it. He has his own functions, full of work and without pigs.
    For decades we have decomposed the bureaucratic apparatus, which today has turned into an estate (sheer nepotism), and in terms of venality it can only be compared with princes from African tribes who were bought for beads. Our not for beads, but wholesale and retail.
    There are plenty of examples at all levels: how we sabotage the production of our machines, planes, helicopters, agricultural products. Yes, we will have such cases soon.
    The official is our main biological weapon.
    1. zvereok
      zvereok 25 July 2013 12: 25 New
      +3
      Quote: grenz
      For decades we have decomposed the bureaucratic apparatus, which today has turned into an estate (sheer nepotism), and in terms of venality it can only be compared with princes from African tribes who were bought for beads. Our not for beads, but wholesale and retail.


      I personally, the bureaucratic apparatus did not decompose a drop, it somehow decomposed itself, according to wise leadership ... There is a demand from it. I fulfilled my civil duties to the best of my ability. Moreover, I have paid and am paying what is supposed to be free for me under the constitution.

      I'd like to see truly independent people in power.
      1. Grenz
        Grenz 25 July 2013 16: 32 New
        +3
        No, of course, WE are a figurative generalization. Neither you nor I participated in this - they, of course, themselves decomposed on the moon, and then flew to us. And it was not us who voted for them, but roast buns. Yes, stop nodding at someone. Much of what is being done locally is an initiative of local leaders, and they do not react to shouts from the center. There is a tale how the municipal aunt Borodino sold.
        But this is just what we allow - everyone where he lives.
        1. zvereok
          zvereok 25 July 2013 22: 44 New
          +2
          Quote: grenz
          No, of course, WE are a figurative generalization. Neither you nor I participated in this - they, of course, themselves decomposed on the moon, and then flew to us. And it was not us who voted for them, but roast buns. Yes, stop nodding at someone. Much of what is being done locally is an initiative of local leaders, and they do not react to shouts from the center. There is a tale how the municipal aunt Borodino sold.
          But this is just what we allow - everyone where he lives.



          I can honestly say that I did not vote for them! And, what do the subordinates of His Majesty do, so with whom to ask how not from His Majesty that the sovereign people have unbelted? As usual, the people they were given to the board were not the one they gave all the bribes to, they offer to steal the treasury ... Do not carry nonsense. Power is weak if it allows your immediate subordinates to steal ... Well, or she is a thief.
  9. knn54
    knn54 25 July 2013 08: 44 New
    +5
    It is NECESSARY that the biological defenses of Russia EXCEED the means of biological attack of the enemy. In the USSR it was!
  10. Dazdranagon
    Dazdranagon 25 July 2013 08: 59 New
    +7
    Quote: anip
    And where did you get this? Maybe the local government is just doing it, that's why the "black veterinarians" are acting.

    And here you are probably right! I know from reliable sources that African plague was suddenly found in farms that were "objectionable" to the governor (I will not name the region). After the destruction of the livestock, in a month or two, a pig farm of the same governor was opened! What about the news that ordinary people want to be banned from keeping pigs? Those. even in the villages, people will have to BUY meat!
    1. Gomunkul
      Gomunkul 25 July 2013 09: 11 New
      +7
      I recall the words of Marx: "There is no such crime on which the capital would not go, with a 100% profit!" hi
      1. S-200
        S-200 26 July 2013 11: 12 New
        0
        300%
        hi
        Provide 10 percent, and capital agrees to any use, at 20 percent it becomes lively, at 50 percent it is positively ready to break its head, at 100 percent it violates all human laws, at 300 percent there is no such crime ...
    2. zvereok
      zvereok 25 July 2013 12: 20 New
      +1
      Quote: Dazdranagon
      Quote: anip
      And where did you get this? Maybe the local government is just doing it, that's why the "black veterinarians" are acting.

      And here you are probably right! I know from reliable sources that African plague was suddenly found in farms that were "objectionable" to the governor (I will not name the region). After the destruction of the livestock, in a month or two, a pig farm of the same governor was opened! What about the news that ordinary people want to be banned from keeping pigs? Those. even in the villages, people will have to BUY meat!


      Collectivization, only with Stalin it was for the good of the country. And the current authorities, for the benefit of the pocket. The people should be dependent on the authorities and pray for them. He should not have a chance to shut himself off from the authorities and live without them not for a day.
  11. ia-ai00
    ia-ai00 25 July 2013 09: 21 New
    +5
    I don’t understand, but is it impossible to write down the numbers of cars, the data of personal documents and make a request to the relevant supervisory authorities? If it turns out that they had no authority, then attract fraud and wrecking! And of course, it is necessary, as in the USSR, to transfer the veterinary, sanitary and epidemiological services together with laboratories to the authority of the State authorities. And it would not be bad if the tests were carried out on the spot, so that there would be no forgery in the research results.
    1. zvereok
      zvereok 25 July 2013 12: 48 New
      +1
      Quote: ia-ai00
      services, together with laboratories, are transferred to the authority of the State authorities. And it would not be bad if the tests were carried out on the spot, so that there would be no forgery in the research results.


      After a couple of years (not from the current date, but from the date of destruction of s / x), they will timidly talk about it at the top. Five years later, they will speak loudly. In 10 years, they’ll do it.
  12. FunkschNNX
    FunkschNNX 25 July 2013 09: 58 New
    +4
    Pig breeding killers do not have to be abroad. We have enough of our own ghouls, for example, producers of chicken meat.
    Medicines and vaccines are developed and produced by the same companies and people. Will they distribute effective vaccines? This will also reduce their profits from drugs. It’s in their interests that people would be ill, and preferably chronically.
  13. krez-74
    krez-74 25 July 2013 09: 59 New
    +5
    Would raise the "inspectors" to the pitchfork, then the ardor would have diminished among such!
  14. Gardamir
    Gardamir 25 July 2013 10: 00 New
    +6
    I want to go to a country like the USSR when there was order, when justice was respected, when traditions were revered.
  15. pinecone
    pinecone 25 July 2013 10: 02 New
    +3
    That’s what they recorded in the WTO. Oil and gas were sold and bought without and without it. Just give, and the more the better.
  16. zevs379
    zevs379 25 July 2013 10: 07 New
    +7
    They said to Putin - where are you getting into this WTO, why? fool Climbed up, and now people don’t know where the scum would come from. I don’t see any benefit for the Russian People, and macroeconomics is just a deprived Jewish word. Soon, farmers will start lifting any forks in a white coat. With this bio-weapon, we get a double blow-the infection itself plus panic. Putin, where is the tough asymmetric answer? And it’s time to begin the process of exiting this WTO bitch negative
    1. Gomunkul
      Gomunkul 25 July 2013 13: 11 New
      +3
      They said to Putin - where are you getting into this WTO, why?
      Correct if I'm mistaken: Russia's accession to the WTO lobbied for raw materials. hi
    2. Dober
      Dober 25 July 2013 18: 36 New
      +2
      Hardcore, but essentially true !!!! good
      My comment above clarifies something ...
  17. zevs379
    zevs379 25 July 2013 10: 20 New
    +6
    And here is another thing: if the state has blown biodiversion, even if it pays the owners the cost of each adult pig and for which they will have to destroy small pigs at the market price of an adult commodity unit, let them withdraw money from the services that are responsible for this.
  18. Ivan_Ivanov
    Ivan_Ivanov 25 July 2013 10: 20 New
    +4
    And to whom is the local authority subordinate?

    The country's leadership, which can only punish the local authorities, since funds are allocated from the budget NOT to the local authorities, but directly to the recipients: schools, hospitals, firefighters, military, etc.

    Or banks that can give money not only to local authorities, but also to affiliated business entities with local power?

    And who gives money to Russian banks, who has heaped this money, who draws it?

    Who owns the majority of Russian banks?

    Answer these questions, find out to whom the local authorities are subordinate.
  19. dizelniy
    dizelniy 25 July 2013 10: 22 New
    +2
    And our authorities to hell? Where are the regional and regional SES, township and village councils, their heads, why are they chosen.
  20. Diviz
    Diviz 25 July 2013 10: 23 New
    +4
    The article was shocking. On TV show FAS-one show off. Special services should be created and
  21. pav-pon1972
    pav-pon1972 25 July 2013 10: 35 New
    +1
    I don’t understand something, but where are the law enforcement bodies looking, the FSB, or are they only able to fight with veterans?
    1. Vasilenko Vladimir
      Vasilenko Vladimir 25 July 2013 10: 54 New
      +1
      and someone said to law enforcement ?!
      1. Dober
        Dober 25 July 2013 18: 38 New
        +1
        Judging by the posts on the network, there are dozens of them. If not already hundreds. I'm specifically about Voronezh.
        (see above).
  22. SHOCK.
    SHOCK. 25 July 2013 10: 41 New
    +2
    You can understand and justify the imported, but you can not understand and justify the homegrown.
  23. Begemot
    Begemot 25 July 2013 10: 43 New
    +6
    Not so long ago, during optimization, the veterinary service was reduced to such a state that it can be assumed that it is no longer there. In the administrative district, where I have a country house and where I conduct an agricultural project (by the way, the second district in terms of agricultural production in the republic), the veterinary station is reduced to an absolute minimum, there is no one to work even on weekends. The laboratory was liquidated, now any analyzes can be done only in the neighboring city, and this is 80 km. What kind of struggle with epizootics can be discussed in such conditions. But the city services are enlarged, officials are sitting there, many officials, their main occupation is controlling documents from sellers. This is both more pleasant and, most importantly, more profitable. No wonder - the construction of a bureaucratic state implies the elimination of productive activity by its gentle strangulation in the soft embrace of the bureaucracy.
    1. ia-ai00
      ia-ai00 25 July 2013 11: 18 New
      +4
      Well, what can I say - wrecking on a state scale. It turns out everything is being done so that local producers of agricultural products are bent, otherwise, how can we explain it?
      1. ia-ai00
        ia-ai00 25 July 2013 11: 22 New
        +2
        You can even say wrecking on State level. Those who introduced such "orders", which destroy everything Russian, must be held accountable and imprisoned for many years.
  24. Vasilenko Vladimir
    Vasilenko Vladimir 25 July 2013 10: 48 New
    +2
    if the African plague took place, the livestock of pigs is destroyed within a radius of 20 km from the source.
    from the article it was not clear whether it was real or not where the source of infection was if there was
  25. Enot-poloskun
    Enot-poloskun 25 July 2013 11: 05 New
    +4
    So these "black veterinarians" should be caught!
    What is the problem?

    It is strange that most of the peasants are shown in the article as some kind of "suckers".

    I have been working in agriculture for a long time, what veterinary medicine is, I know firsthand.
    In the case of quarantine or epizootics, everything is done strictly according to the documents. And the peasants know this. In addition, the farm should be served by a veterinarian, even an incoming one.
    Veterinarians, by the way, know each other well. And left veterinarians will not be allowed to go.


    However, the article is a plus. For an acute problem. I agree with the author that ASF in many regions of Russia is a diversion. Too fast spreading, erupting in different regions, very remote from each other. There are no vaccines from ASF.

    And the Belgorod region, I recall - this is 10% of Russian livestock.
    1. Vasilenko Vladimir
      Vasilenko Vladimir 25 July 2013 12: 26 New
      +1
      Quote: Enot-poloskun
      I have been working in agriculture for a long time, what veterinary medicine is, I know firsthand. In the case of quarantine or epizootics, everything is done strictly according to the documents

      far from always, we had garbage in the same village in June, the veterinarians arrived and started talking about vaccinations like you don’t get fined, when I asked for documents at quarantine measures they said there wasn’t some kind of pimple from the regional government that came verbally he rode his uniform.
      due to illness quarantine was supposed to be, but all this somehow went sluggishly and not fun
      1. maxvet
        maxvet 26 July 2013 10: 20 New
        0
        so, unfortunately, it happens very often - they demand verbally, and you do it as you want, or they will "forget" to bring a new order (assignment, letter)
        1. Vasilenko Vladimir
          Vasilenko Vladimir 26 July 2013 10: 33 New
          0
          "verbally" all the more if it contradicts the norms - all to the garden
          1. maxvet
            maxvet 26 July 2013 10: 48 New
            0
            basically does not contradict the norms, but it happens so, at first in a rigid form, certain actions are required from us, but if they complain directly to the management, then from there they can declare the following - "We need to be more loyal to people" and it turns out that I am a "bastard and a bureaucrat", and they "with understanding ..."
            1. Vasilenko Vladimir
              Vasilenko Vladimir 26 July 2013 12: 32 New
              0
              Quote: maxvet
              basically does not contradict the norms

              it can't be like this, it's kind of a little pregnant
              either you are in quarantine or not
      2. maxvet
        maxvet 26 July 2013 11: 38 New
        0
        more about vaccinations, the Rosselkhoznadzor is fines now, and not veterinarians. Although I myself am guilty, I frighten them with the same fines, they require me to vaccinate the livestock, but the owners refuse, so I have to ...
        the only thing that veterinarians can do (really) is not to issue a certificate, that's all.
        A case from practice - a dog got furious, we went to vaccinate rabies in the outbreak, free of charge and at home. So they were not allowed into half of the houses (they even accused that we were putting the animals to sleep). Certification that I am a veterinarian, I have no (there is no such thing in the law), resolution the quarantine will only be in a few days (and the residents don't give a damn about such a resolution). I was interested in the inspector of the Rosselkhoznadzor, what can be done with such owners, he thought and said, “Don't mess with it.” And the SES on the same day when the result of the examinations came became request a report on the activities performed in the rabies focus
        something like
        1. Vasilenko Vladimir
          Vasilenko Vladimir 26 July 2013 12: 38 New
          0
          Quote: maxvet
          more about vaccinations, the Rosselkhoznadzor is fines now, and not veterinarians. Although I myself am guilty, I frighten them with the same fines, they require me to vaccinate the livestock, but the owners refuse, so I have to ...

          again, it doesn’t matter who fines, the reason is important, if vaccinations are a fool not caused by necessity, these are not my problems, show me the order on measures to deal with some filth, we’ll do no go all
          A case from practice, the dog got furious, they went to vaccinate rabies in the outbreak, free of charge and at home. They didn’t let them go into half the houses (they even accused us of euthanizing animals).
          this is stupidity and human idiocy, in addition, the name is on the ampoule
          I do not have certificates that I am a veterinarian (there is no such thing in the law), the quarantine decree will be available only after how many days (and the decree on the drum for residents).
          and this is administrative idiocy, in case of quarantine measures the police should be involved
          I was interested in the Rosselkhoznadzor inspector, what can be done with such owners, he thought and said, "Don't get involved."
          this is the problem, the official put everything on the law from the administration to ordinary people
          1. maxvet
            maxvet 26 July 2013 13: 36 New
            0
            there are obligatory measures that the owner is obliged to carry out (vaccinations, studies) it is prescribed in the law on veterinary medicine, there are optional (for example, carnivore plague).
            I write about stupidity and idiocy (different). Moreover, in urban areas with rabies, quarantine is imposed on ONE house, and what, for example, a person from a parallel street will say, "it's not even on my street"
            Your post about pregnancy is a little higher — I may not have put it that way, it's not about quarantine, but about what you write below — that the district chief doctor came to you for a blood sampling — we had a similar situation when at a meeting in Voronezh they demand to take money for everything, and when people complain ... see your post - you are 100% right there (it's a shame that we, as performers, are acting as goats)
            1. Vasilenko Vladimir
              Vasilenko Vladimir 26 July 2013 16: 47 New
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              Quote: maxvet
              Your post about pregnancy is a little higher — I may not have put it that way, it's not about quarantine, but about what you write below — that the district chief doctor came to you for a blood sampling — we had a similar situation when at a meeting in Voronezh they demand to take money for everything, and when people complain ... see your post - you are 100% right there (it's a shame that we, as performers, are acting as goats)

              there are federal programs, according to which a part of the tests for cattle of sheep and goats is taken for free, I can’t speak for your area and for you personally, but not only do we have illiterate veterinarians who also try to snatch grandmothers for what they should do as part of this program.
              you come to take an anthelmintic and every time they will take 30 rubles from you for a consultation, while they really do not know contraindications for use
              1. maxvet
                maxvet 27 July 2013 07: 54 New
                0
                the fact of the matter is that according to these programs, the interpretation of free of charge is twofold - vaccination is free, and travel to the owner is paid, the research is free, and the veterinary station pays its money for consumables (reagents), the animal is also fixed in the price list (you will come to the owner, and this a grandfather who cannot keep or a woman whose husband said, "your cow is yours and drive") In some areas, they not only take for leaving, but also include gasoline in the price, depreciation of the car. Then, after all, we advise during planned activities - and this is, in theory, not free either.
                This is what I’m talking about — on the one hand, the Paradise Station itself buys reagents, gloves, needles — and they tell us to take it for all the money, and on the other ...
                1. Vasilenko Vladimir
                  Vasilenko Vladimir 27 July 2013 09: 37 New
                  0
                  it’s time for your leadership to deal with prosecutors
                  Quote: maxvet
                  the fact of the matter is that according to these programs the interpretation of free is double-vaccination is free, and the visit to the owner is paid, the research is free, and the veterinary station pays its money for consumables (reagents), the fixation of the animal is also in the price list

                  it’s time for your leadership to deal with the prosecutor’s office, otherwise they will add alcohol to the price list and wipe the injection site
                  In some areas, they take not only the departure, but also include gas in the price, depreciation a / m. After all, we advise during planned events, and this, in theory, is also not free.

                  this is called drank money
                  1. maxvet
                    maxvet 27 July 2013 11: 46 New
                    0
                    Yes, everywhere such a situation — it’s just necessary to clearly state everything in programs so that there can be no double interpretation. And what does vaccination mean is the introduction of a vaccine according to the plan and instruction, and everything else that I wrote above? It turns out that it was completely free you need to deliver the animal to the veterinary clinic, put your schism and not ask anything, and also with a statement about refusing to be examined (after all, they are vaccinated only clinically healthy). This is called a mess. By the way, you know that we are working according to the laws of the 70s, when the concepts of cha wasn’t by definition? And the modern law on veterinary medicine will still not be accepted (although it may be to the best, otherwise they will write something that will really raise us to the pitch)
                    PS Alcohol include (not everything is true, but there is)
                    PSS, by the way, the prosecutor’s office generally doesn’t dig, just our management (like any other) doesn’t like such things and everything is usually decided in pre-trial procedure, they agree on the price with the owner
                    1. Vasilenko Vladimir
                      Vasilenko Vladimir 27 July 2013 12: 08 New
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                      You know, it’s possible to agree to the point of absurdity, but the ampoule is not included in the cost of the vaccine or the alcohol used to wipe the injection site.
                      excuse me, but if vaccination of a cow is included in the federal program, then only an unintelligent person can assume that the cow needs to be taken to a vet point or that fixing during vaccination is a separate article
                      By the way, the prosecutor’s office doesn’t dig in, just our management

                      how are you wrong
                      agree with the owner about the price
                      it’s just that your leadership has not run up yet, but it’s all in front
                      1. maxvet
                        maxvet 27 July 2013 13: 36 New
                        0
                        Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
                        it’s just that your leadership has not run up yet, but it’s all in front

                        Probably.
                        Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
                        excuse me, but if vaccination of a cow is included in the federal program, then only an unintelligent person can assume that the cow needs to be taken to a vet point or that fixing during vaccination is a separate article

                        I’m talking about this and that it’s possible to suppose. And it should be so that it’s impossible to assume. This is where the confusion begins when prices are different in different regions in different regions, they are simply made up in paradise of veterinary stations, and there are a lot of people there. In the region, large farms of the veterinary station can afford to hold events for free at private owners, and if not, then the only source of income at the private station is the rate at the doctor's office in the Voronezh region - 5-6 thousand rubles (depending on length of service and length of service) ), and then how much they will earn themselves (the so-called self-supporting), then I I think no need to explain
                      2. Vasilenko Vladimir
                        Vasilenko Vladimir 27 July 2013 14: 14 New
                        0
                        Quote: maxvet
                        The rate at the \ doctor in the Voronezh region - 5-6 thousand rubles

                        I can’t say for Voronezh, but I work a lot before ours, there’s zero knowledge (they can calmly say that pyroplasmosis is transmitted by airborne droplets, but the sheep don’t get sick), there’s good there is and there is a veterinarian in Almaty who knows, especially I call acute questions from Kaliningrad Alma-Ata
                      3. Vasilenko Vladimir
                        Vasilenko Vladimir 27 July 2013 14: 16 New
                        0
                        Quote: maxvet
                        I’m talking about this and say that it’s possible to assume. But it should be so that it’s impossible to assume

                        once again I say he will sell ampoules separately from the vaccine, no need to hit the absurd
                      4. maxvet
                        maxvet 27 July 2013 15: 45 New
                        0
                        I mean programs for free services, but in general for all services, it should be clearly written, if there is a complex of anti-epizootic measures, then what exactly should be included there so that there can be no discrepancies in principle.
                        Pyroplasmosis droplet-drop ... no comment
                      5. maxvet
                        maxvet 27 July 2013 16: 02 New
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                        By the way, Vladimir, a little info for you.
                        Our epizootologist went to Vladimir for a week at a seminar about African swine fever. There was a lot of water, but there was also a veterinarian from South Africa (the birthplace of ASF), so he said that ASF is a mismanagement disease, they only have outbreaks on farms belonging to blacks, white does not have ASF. And from his words we don’t have a natural reservoir of ASF (in Africa it’s a warthog) and there is no main carrier either (in Africa it’s some kind of mosquito), therefore we have the main carrier of ASF and his activities, let alone gouging or sabotage, I don’t Naya, although more inclined to the first, outbids said that they were offered pork from the Upper Mamonsky district for 75-80 p. per kg of meat (we have 125-130 purchases), i.e. from the area where, in theory, all the pigs were burned. Something like that.
                        PS the doctor was white and elderly, apartheid apparently remembers (to his words about white and black), and then who knows, maybe it is
                      6. Vasilenko Vladimir
                        Vasilenko Vladimir 27 July 2013 16: 24 New
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                        Quote: maxvet
                        activity, let alone gouging or sabotage, I do not know, although more inclined to the first

                        it looks like you're right
                      7. Vasilenko Vladimir
                        Vasilenko Vladimir 27 July 2013 16: 27 New
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                        Quote: maxvet
                        outbid said that they were offered from the Upper Mamon rn-a pork for 75-80 p. per kg of meat (we have 125-130 purchases), i.e. from the area where, in theory, all the pigs were burned. Something like that.

                        very effective method
  • Dober
    Dober 25 July 2013 18: 40 New
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    Quote: Enot-poloskun
    Veterinarians, by the way, know each other well. And left veterinarians will not be allowed to go.

    There is one post up there. Signatory
    Quote: maxvet
    veterinarian paradise SBBZH Voronezh region

    Questions to him ...
  • lewerlin53rus
    lewerlin53rus 25 July 2013 11: 15 New
    +3
    A year ago, we also announced a plague alarm, banned the sale of piglets and all that, on the basis that somewhere in a neighboring area they found corpses of wild boars in the forest. But hunters say that dead boars come across constantly, but from what they died, no one understands. And here they suddenly decided and announced the plague. Felts reinsurance, felts sabotage felts. One recalls how in Europe cattle were destroyed by thousands of heads, allegedly fighting either with foot-and-mouth disease or anthrax. In general, in such cases, it seems that the struggle is not with diseases, but with competitors or overproduction, so that prices do not fall.
    1. maxvet
      maxvet 27 July 2013 15: 53 New
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      with spongiform encephalopathy, by the way, the pathogen has not been precisely determined so far, it is believed that prion, but ...
      by the way, this "cute" little thing may well be brought to us with imported cattle, and then, in addition to pigs, cows will also be burned
    2. maxvet
      maxvet 27 July 2013 16: 10 New
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      bluetooth has already been delivered, however, isolated cases however ...
  • USNik
    USNik 25 July 2013 11: 28 New
    +2
    We arrived, opened the courtyard gate, made lethal injections to animals, threw the carcasses into a dug hole, doused it with gasoline and set it on fire in front of the owners of the killed animals.
    Farm workers and supervisors urgently learn to quickly upload to the Internet records from surveillance cameras / cell phones / cameras with a corresponding statement to the authorities. Let the country know its assholes, sold for bucks to supermarkets and foreign suppliers of meat.
  • Ingvar 72
    Ingvar 72 25 July 2013 11: 33 New
    +2
    African plague, bird flu, etc. To conquer the market, all methods are good. Like in the DMB movie, all the best to American children.
  • asbaev
    asbaev 25 July 2013 11: 51 New
    +5
    It’s time to learn how to export pork plague ourselves. But how would American and European farmers without it. And also export diarrhea to Georgia.
  • Forest
    Forest 25 July 2013 12: 29 New
    +6
    As soon as the rejection of American beef sounded "From February 11, Russia introduces temporary restrictions on the supply of frozen pork and beef from the United States, as well as products from them due to the presence of ractopamine in meat." - an immediate infection.
  • Shadowcat
    Shadowcat 25 July 2013 12: 49 New
    +3
    Only one question puzzles me - why didn’t anyone call the mentor / prosecutor’s office / FSB / sanipem?
    For the former, a direct duty (if I remember correctly, in order to do this at all, a representative of the authorities, i.e. a policeman, is needed), and if there is no such thing, then call the outfit - let them take the Arkharovtsy and privately talk on which piano lid they left the documents, then there should be a resolution from the prosecutor's office and sanipedem (even if they are there, you can call and clarify this, too, their job is to pick up the phone and say "yes, we floated such and such and such"), but the FSB is already part of the protection against foreignism - if there are suspicions that this is " friends from abroad "then you need to contact the FSB.
    Either I'm so smart, or I don’t know ... The police are like artillery - powerful, strong - but they don’t see nifigai, so we need a gunner. The FSB is a tank, but if you tell him that in that forest he will hit enemies faster than if he searches for it himself.
    It’s time, it’s time to get out of the dark and gangster 90s and go to the bright state of law. Why earlier, why, run to the district police officer. The child is lost - he will go to the uncle to the policeman - he will take him away, help to find the parent. Then grandmothers and grandfathers began to frighten them like don’t go eat the cop (! With all due respect to gray hair, but sometimes they are!), And as a result we now prefer to stand in the shade and be silent in a rag, instead of solving the problem legally.
  • serge
    serge 25 July 2013 12: 59 New
    +3
    It’s scary to even imagine what will begin with an epidemic of ordinary plague. Probably they will start shooting just everyone who did not like it.
    1. Vasilenko Vladimir
      Vasilenko Vladimir 25 July 2013 13: 03 New
      +3
      let be
  • Severok
    Severok 25 July 2013 13: 29 New
    +1
    Interestingly, the FSB should, if not - it is obliged, to ensure the security of the state, including economic. Or "Fas!" do not speak, or there are only those who are fighting with their people ...
  • Enot-poloskun
    Enot-poloskun 25 July 2013 13: 30 New
    +1
    By the way, the Belgorod region is one of the few regions where the government (represented by the governor) really cares for agriculture.

    The situation with farmers from the Belgorod region is extremely strange.
  • Thunderbolt
    Thunderbolt 25 July 2013 17: 04 New
    +3
    Comradeswellthat according to genetic and physiological characteristics a pig and a person are no closer. Pigs have the same diseases as humans, and they are treated with the same medications. So I think that this is not African, but American swine fever (first heralds Western media (the 542nd Information Battalion comes up again). So that everything is calm, the strains will be replaced and "staggered" already by the population of Russia. So it's time to blow the pipes and let the RHBZ sharpen the pitchfork. Do not defend against a creeping infection with a shield, TOS "Pinocchio" to burn out the breeding-ground laboratories. And yet ... Generals are really preparing for the past wars, and in our information age, the war began since the 542nd information battalion introduced the term: Prestroika. Indirect methods, infusing agents of influence in the leadership (or recruitment) over the processes in the post-Soviet space. And it started ... Afghan came to Beslan. And now, if someone else does not understand, we have RESTARTED (the device switches, black screen, entering new data and correcting erroneous (with Western point of view) data and What can we negotiate with the United States? Under the Soviets, 40 nuclear warheads of various types were aimed at my Samara, now there are no fewer. life and it's time to decide.
  • morpogr
    morpogr 25 July 2013 17: 38 New
    +1
    No one has canceled food safety. Where do the competent authorities look?
  • RUS-36
    RUS-36 25 July 2013 17: 44 New
    +2
    Pork plague does not interfere with building pig farm to the governor of the Voronezh region at the time when there is a total slaughter of pigs in the region due to an epidemic. It turns out for all pig breeding in the TABU area, but for the governor it's time to develop a business during the PLAGUE, all this is strange
  • Ross
    Ross 25 July 2013 17: 52 New
    +3
    Quote: omsbon
    Many problems of Russia originate abroad!


    The example of the swine flu has apparently not taught everyone. And again the World Health Organization was bustling about.
    1. MIKHAN
      MIKHAN 25 July 2013 21: 08 New
      +1
      Quote: Ross
      Quote: omsbon
      Many problems of Russia originate abroad!


      The example of the swine flu has apparently not taught everyone. And again the World Health Organization was bustling about.

      Again these rubber legs (you have to eat 20 or more years old) stuffed with antibiotics .. We filled our farm .. here I bought fresh bread .. after two days I got moldy ... And we had loosened bread here before .. real yeast bread is something .. and with sausage real sour cream from under the separator. hearty yellow .. eh there was a time ...
  • Betahon
    Betahon 25 July 2013 17: 57 New
    +1
    This once again speaks of the vulnerability of state security and livelihoods, since we have more than half of imported food and medical components!
    The only way out is a thorough revision of the State Security Concentration with the designation of new accruals and prediction (for example, the blockade of the Internet, new types of high-tech weapons, including massive genetic, psychological and nerve damage) probable.
    The immediate specific tasks are to ensure the safety and high efficiency of the domestic food and drug base first! To allocate specialized units of federal subordination in law enforcement services.
  • Black
    Black 25 July 2013 17: 59 New
    +3
    Quote: Enot-poloskun
    By the way, the Belgorod region is one of the few regions where the government (represented by the governor) really cares for agriculture


    The governor of the Belgorod region is just smart !!! Tough, demanding, smart, visionary leader. Surprised by the fact.
    Another thing, for example, is the native Volgograd region. First, they declared cattle leukemia and destroyed the dairy production. now they are completely destroying the pig population. There are no facts of ASC, what is being exaggerated by the authorities
    bluff.

    Quote: RUS-36
    The swine plague does not interfere with the construction of a pig farm to the governor of the Voronezh region at a time when the pigs are slaughtered in the region due to an epidemic.

    Same stuff!
    Quote: ShadowCat
    Only one question puzzles me - why didn’t anyone call the mentor / prosecutor’s office / FSB / sanipem?


    Are you serious???
  • Bort radist
    Bort radist 25 July 2013 18: 02 New
    +2
    In Western Siberia, we have no such problems with meat. Our meat and Altai, sausages from Omsk. Sometimes outbreaks of anthrax occur but local. In 90 I remember bird flu. The birds went to sleep, and, apparently, the infection of the birds defeated the whole world. fellow
  • Enot-poloskun
    Enot-poloskun 25 July 2013 19: 47 New
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    This document has not been canceled.

    http://www.mcx.ru/documents/document/v7_show/14857.19.htm
    1. maxvet
      maxvet 26 July 2013 11: 05 New
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      There is one more document-technical regulation of the Customs Union "On food safety" dated 09.12.2011 No. 880
      there is article 19 p1 in accordance with which "products of animal origin obtained by slaughter cannot be released into circulation", which in practice means that it will be possible to slaughter a pig, bull, chicken, goose for sale on the market only in special slaughterhouses of which almost no (in our district there are none)
      think further yourself (who cares, let him see the requirements for the slaughter)
  • Goldmitro
    Goldmitro 25 July 2013 21: 29 New
    +1
    <<< However, this is an isolated case when the confrontation with the "black veterinarians" was won thanks to the efforts of the population (armed with a pitchfork). Much more often, the pig population is simply destroyed, and also without any veterinary expertise and the provision of documents. >>>
    It seems that the exit of the people with a pitchfork is today the only way to protect themselves from the invasion of "black veterinarians," black pharmacists, "" black .......... etc. etc., from which EVERYTHING is probably captured, EVERYTHING is paid for, so that the Russian manufacturer does not dare to get in the way of foreign manufacturers, mastering the Russian market within the WTO and having extensive experience in eliminating local competitors, no matter how high-quality products they produce! This is the honest competition in the WTO system, which according to the plan of our liberalists - WTO specialists should raise our producers! If this goes on and the authorities do not wake up, then instead of the rise, they will have to celebrate a memorial service for the domestic manufacturer!
  • Vasilenko Vladimir
    Vasilenko Vladimir 25 July 2013 22: 01 New
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    Quote: Goldmitro
    It seems that the exit of the people with a pitchfork is today the only way to protect themselves from the invasion of "black veterinarians," black pharmacists, "" black .......... etc. etc.,

    You let strangers into your apartment, without sanctions, without explanation ?!
  • Silkway0026
    Silkway0026 25 July 2013 22: 47 New
    +3
    recently on TV there was a film about biological threats and other joys from the West. and they talked about a wonderful Georgian laboratory.

    so, in some matters, Israel’s methodology for anticipating threats really impresses me ... well, maybe, for example, somehow, by chance, this Georgian laboratory burns down ... well, is there - the wiring is short or the wrong reagents are mixed? ...
  • swayn
    swayn 26 July 2013 03: 42 New
    -1
    Pig swine fever, childhood serous meningitis - seemingly unrelated things. But this is only at first glance. A closer look reveals ...


    I did not see a "closer examination" in the article. Alas. It turns out nothing.
  • basil200
    basil200 26 July 2013 06: 55 New
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    Perhaps the vets simply have a plan to identify the N number of diseased boars. Fulfilled the plan well done award, that’s trying. As doctors have to get so many people sick a month, to drive sober drunken and so many cops into sober, fill so many protocols. There is still statistics, last year in the village there were 2000 heads of cattle, in the summer a little drought of hay was harvested. Residents scored in the fall a certain amount of cattle, so that others would winter. In the second year they counted turned out to be 1500 goals. And from the city they call from the Ministry of Agriculture and say why this year there are fewer cows than last year, to fix the report (this year in the village of 2300 cattle). This is how dead heads appear. While this will work the system of the state apparatus will be a mess. I forgot to say for the increase in cattle goals they are dripping money from above into the budget
    1. maxvet
      maxvet 26 July 2013 11: 11 New
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      about the plan for diseases, here, on the contrary, we are being punished for this
      But the plan for livestock ... 2 years ago, in one of the districts, the owner cut out all his cows (in general, he had the right because he is the owner), so the chief doctor of the district was removed for this
  • ZU-23
    ZU-23 26 July 2013 08: 07 New
    +1
    I’ve been watching this whole garbage for a long time, because we didn’t have these shtags and epidemics before. Let all these creatures that do this die.
  • ratuld
    ratuld 26 July 2013 09: 05 New
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    Well, let the bubbles go in vain?
    Find out who-what-and-how !!
    And to execute all - and inspirers and performers - without noise and dust. QUIET !!!
    In the name of the Russian people.
    Blackhounds and Saxons understand only power. Including the spirit.
    Less squealing means more work.
    The children were dying.
  • Yuri11076
    Yuri11076 26 July 2013 09: 57 New
    -1
    I live in Valuyki, Belgorod Oblast, in all the surrounding villages the pigs have already been practically destroyed, although as far as I know, no symptoms of the African plague have been identified. It is worth the campaign the task of destroying the livestock on private farmsteads, since the pig complexes that partially belong to the governor do not touch ...
    1. Vasilenko Vladimir
      Vasilenko Vladimir 26 July 2013 10: 37 New
      +1
      Quote: Yuri11076
      although as far as I know the symptoms of African plague were not detected.

      read carefully about quarantine measures for this disease