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China built the world's largest diesel-electric submarine

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It's no secret that China is trying to develop its armed forces, including the Navy. Regularly there are reports of the launching or acceptance of new ships and submarines in the naval forces. However, talking about their successes, the Chinese military usually do not disclose most of the details of these or other projects. In this regard, some interesting facts about the new military equipment are found out only some time after the start of its construction or operation.


China built the world's largest diesel-electric submarine


Approximately the same thing happened with the new Chinese submarine of the project "Type 032" (western designation QING-Class). Until recently, only the very fact of its existence was known. However, a few days ago, the Chinese Military Review blog published some very interesting data, according to which the submarine with the 201 tail number is a record holder. On a published poster with the data of this submarine it is indicated that it has a surface displacement of just under 3800 tons and a scuba - 6628 tons. Given the fact that the new submarine of the 032 project has a diesel-electric power plant, the appropriate conclusions should be made: this submarine is the largest diesel-electric submarine in the world.

The Chinese submarine also surpasses all foreign analogues in its dimensions. The length of its body exceeds the 92 meter, the width is about 10. The width of the boat, taking into account the horizontal rudders, is 13 m. The highest height is more than 17 meters, the draft is 6,85 m. For comparison, the Russian diesel-electric submarines of the 636 Varshavyanka project have a hull with a length of about 74 meters and a width less than 10. Submerged Russian submarines do not exceed 3100 tons. Thus, according to the last parameter, the Chinese submarine is more than twice Russian.

The robust hull of a Chinese submarine with the number "201" allows you to dive to a depth of 160 meters (working), and if necessary, and on 200. The power plant, combining diesel engines and electrical systems, the type of which has not yet been announced, accelerates the submarine in a surface position to 10 nodes. When submerged, the submarine has a maximum speed of no more than 14 nodes.

Interesting data on the autonomy of the new Chinese submarine. If there is a standard crew of 88 people on board, she is able to stay at sea for up to 30 days. If the crew increases to 130 or 200 people, the autonomy is reduced to five or three days, respectively. At the same time, apparently, the duration of autonomous navigation is reduced not because of a lack of available fuel, but because of the greater “consumption” of food.






According to various sources, the development of the project “Type 032” was launched in 2005 year and it was intended to replace the only submarine of the previous project 031. Recall that, in accordance with the 031 project, only one diesel-electric submarine was built in the early sixties. It is noteworthy that in fact it was a Soviet boat of the 629 project, which, in its unfinished form, was transferred to China from plant No. XXUMX (Komsomolsk-on-Amur). Chinese shipbuilders completed construction and equipped the submarine in accordance with their plans. This submarine, which received the side number "199", was used to develop technologies related to the creation of submarine ballistic missiles. In particular, the only submarine of the 200 project conducted test launches of several types of missile prototypes. However, this diesel-electric submarine was exclusively an experimental model, not intended for service or duty in the seas and oceans. In a number of sources, there is a statement that, due to this role, the boat did not receive some of the special equipment with which the submarines are equipped.

Over the past decades, the old 200 submarine has become obsolete both morally and physically. In this regard, a new submarine was built, in which modern technologies, materials and technologies are used. The development of the 032 project started in the middle of the last decade, and a few years later, approximately in 2008, the construction of a new submarine began at the Wuchang Shipbuilding Industry Company shipyard (Wuhan). In the fall of 2010, the boat was launched. The next two years, the submarine was on sea trials. October 16 2012 of the year it was officially accepted into the naval forces of the People’s Liberation Army of China.

Like its predecessor, the 201 submarine will be used for technical solutions and weapon tests. A recently published figure schematically depicts a test launch method: two ballistic missile shafts are located inside the hull, the cabin and the fencing of the latter. Thus, the new submarine will be able to perform only test tasks, since the ammunition load of one or two missiles will not be sufficient for full-fledged combat work. It is also suggested that other systems may be tested on the 032 submarine. This version is supported by the size of the submarine hull, in which various equipment can be inscribed, including for nuclear submarines. There is information about the plans of the Chinese shipbuilders and military to use the boat "201" as a stand for testing new torpedoes.

An interesting feature of the design of the new submarine steel new rescue system. The 032 project for the first time in Chinese practice involves the use of a pop-up rescue camera. As can be seen in the available photos, the design of the camera is somewhat similar to that used on Russian submarines.

The plans of the Chinese command regarding the use of the new diesel-electric submarines have not yet been announced. Probably in the very near future she will receive the appropriate equipment and will soon begin her work. On the other hand, a prototype submarine can stand idle for several years, as it was with the previous submarine of the 031 project. It is possible that in China a certain new ballistic missile for submarines is currently being created, in the tests of which the submarine "201" will take part in the tests. However, accurate data on this matter will appear later, when the world's largest diesel-electric submarine starts to perform the tasks assigned to it.


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  1. buzuke
    buzuke 26 July 2013 07: 50
    0
    Well, if it is experimental, then it was necessary to do it on firewood in general, they would save even more
    1. crazyrom
      crazyrom 26 July 2013 08: 43
      +1
      Soon they will make the largest pedal submarine, crew 150 + 400 rowers laughing
      1. slas
        slas 26 July 2013 09: 07
        0
        Given the fact that the new project 032 submarine has a diesel-electric power plant, the following conclusions should be drawn: this submarine is the largest diesel-electric submarine in the world. Our trains are the most train trains in the world --- the sense is that a diesel boat is twice as large as that of the others. And as regards autonomy, the crew is 88 people for 30 days and twice as many people autonomy is reduced by almost 4 times to a week HA
        1. Klibanophoros
          Klibanophoros 26 July 2013 11: 09
          17
          China entered the time of experimentation - ours also suffered from the construction of the fastest in the world (Anchar), the largest in the world (Shark), with the greatest depth of immersion (Komsomolets), and there is nothing terrible about it. But the fact that they are experimenting with a diesel engine only means that they have little deal with the technology of nuclear plants.
          1. slas
            slas 27 July 2013 00: 25
            0
            Quote: Klibanophoros
            China entered the time of experimentation - ours also suffered from the construction of the fastest in the world (Anchar), the largest in the world (Shark), with the greatest depth of immersion (Komsomolets), and there is nothing terrible about it. But the fact that they are experimenting with a diesel engine only means that they have little deal with the technology of nuclear plants.

            Something I don’t notice that their copies of our SU were the size of an IL-76 (they also have some problems there) so problems with building a nuclear submarine does not mean that diesel submarines should be the size of a tanker
            1. Klibanophoros
              Klibanophoros 27 July 2013 00: 40
              +1
              And what does aviation have to do with gigantomania? I am talking about the fact that China is moving away from the practice of copying and begins to experiment on the principle of "faster, higher, stronger", thereby allowing it to develop its own design school.
              Like its predecessor, the boat “201” will be used to test technical solutions and test weapons. ... Thus, the new submarine can only perform test tasks, since the ammunition of one or two missiles will not be sufficient for full-fledged combat work. Assumptions are also being made that other systems may be tested on Project 032 submarine. In favor of this version is the size of the hull of the submarine, in which you can fit various equipment, including for nuclear submarines. There is information about the plans of the Chinese shipbuilders and the military regarding the use of the boat "201" as a stand for testing new torpedoes.

              Read carefully and there will be no questions.
              By the way, they also have problems with engine building in aviation, and therefore they install Russian-made engines on their copies of Sukikhs.
              1. slas
                slas 27 July 2013 11: 51
                -1
                Quote: Klibanophoros
                This will allow you to develop your own design school.

                Well, yes, yes, a design school for fresh developments of other foreign design bureaus.
        2. rolik
          rolik 26 July 2013 13: 13
          +2
          Quote: slas
          Given the fact that the new project 032 submarine has a diesel-electric power plant, the following conclusions should be drawn: this submarine is the largest diesel-electric submarine in the world

          Sometimes size matters))))))))) What for huge size? scare the whales, or to make it better to hear and see ???
          Or maybe it's such a sophisticated way of killing as many of its submariners as possible at a time ??? Overpopulation all the same.
          But most likely, the Chinese are trying to level such diesels, not very big successes in nuclear boats. With them. the Chinese have serious problems.
          1. Per se.
            Per se. 26 July 2013 16: 29
            +3
            Quote: rolik
            most likely, the Chinese are trying to level such diesels, not very big successes in nuclear boats. With them. the Chinese have serious problems.
            Perhaps, from a test boat will create a missile.
            1. rolik
              rolik 26 July 2013 22: 11
              +2
              [quote = Per se.] Perhaps a missile boat will be created from an experimental boat. [/ quot
              You have in your picture the Soviet project B-611, the year you put into service the 1959 with only five boats (four were built in Sevmash).
              Shooting boats could only in the water position.
              Then there were many similar projects; 629 - (629A), B611, P-613 P-611 644 651 (cruise missiles).
              So I do not think that the Chinese have made a breakthrough in technology. Unless (unless of course it is a missile boat) made it possible to fire without surfacing. \ and again I repeat that in this case the size does not mean well.
              1. Per se.
                Per se. 27 July 2013 20: 39
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                Quote: rolik
                You have in your picture the Soviet project B-611, the year you put into service the 1959 with only five boats (four were built in Sevmash).
                The drawing was for an example of a technical solution, the Chinese have already used our project 629 for their first boats, you are right, this is yesterday. Rather, if we assume the additional rocket armament of the Chinese boat, there will be a solution similar to our project of Amur 950 boats with cruise missiles, or, if they want ICBMs, then a couple of three in an extended wheelhouse, as has already been tested earlier on Project 629.
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    2. ed65b
      ed65b 26 July 2013 11: 41
      +1
      Quote: buzuke
      Well, if it is experimental, then it was necessary to do it on firewood in general, they would save even more

      they wanted it first on wood, then on coal and steam, then oars, the crew be healthy but turned up a diesel komatsu, he defeated them all. laughing
    3. experienced
      experienced 26 July 2013 13: 50
      16
      Quote: buzuke
      Well, if it is experimental, then it was necessary to do it on firewood in general, they would save even more

      And it never occurred to anyone that this was done to test the submarine hull for the production of nuclear submarines? You can laugh as much as you like, but the Chinese are not stupid or motive (I don’t write spenders wassat ). So we recall the proverb: "The one who laughs last laughs well" and we look forward to what it means hi
      1. redwolf_13
        redwolf_13 26 July 2013 15: 11
        +8
        I completely agree, and here are already examples ... The Chinese navy entered the Sea of ​​Okhotsk. This happened on July 14, and the Japanese, after reporting the historic appearance of Chinese ships in the Laperouse Strait, fell silent - either from shock, or from an unwillingness to inflate history. And all the following days, I wondered where these two missile destroyers, two frigates, and the auxiliary vessel accompanying them had gone.
        And finally, as they say, informed sources explained: after July 14, the Chinese detachment again crossed the southern part of the Sea of ​​Okhotsk for the first time in history. After that, he passed between the Kuril Islands and proceeded into the open waters of the Pacific Ocean. Then the Chinese from the west went around Japan, and on July 18 they also conducted exercises.
        http://vostokmedia.com/n173576.html
  2. alex86
    alex86 26 July 2013 08: 03
    +3
    "If the crew is increased to 130 or 200 people" - apparently, as an option, the possibility of deploying a landing is provided? Or is it to carry out experimental work?
    1. sub307
      sub307 26 July 2013 13: 56
      +5
      As you can see from the article, the boat is planned to be used as an experimental one, i.e. as a stand for naval testing of any technical means and weapons (by analogy with the Russian diesel-electric submarine "Sarov"). "Excess" displacement, i.e. a certain stock of volumes, space, will be used to accommodate the equipment under test without deteriorating habitability, etc.
      They hardly plan to use it as a carrier for the landing.
  3. govoruha-otrok
    govoruha-otrok 26 July 2013 08: 18
    0
    I was relieved to learn that this will not be a combat submarine)
  4. makst83
    makst83 26 July 2013 08: 39
    +5
    In the contours of the case, the features of the 636 project diesel-electric submarine are well guessed.
  5. roma-belij
    roma-belij 26 July 2013 09: 03
    -5
    Well, why such a "fool" with a diesel engine ???? There is no ICBM on it anyway.
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    2. loft79
      loft79 26 July 2013 15: 20
      +1
      The article also says:

      "A recently published figure shows a schematic of the test launch method: two ballistic missile silos are located inside the hull, deckhouse and guardrail of the latter."
    3. old man54
      old man54 26 July 2013 17: 59
      0
      Quote: roma-belij
      Well, why such a "fool" with a diesel engine ???? There is no ICBM on it anyway.

      why then forgive the wheelhouse she has so long ??? fellow Have a damn cloud of retractable devices? bully Your reasons! All in attention. lol
      1. roma-belij
        roma-belij 7 October 2013 09: 21
        0
        Even if it is for testing, I don’t understand why repeat the "ancient" Soviet project? Wasn't it easier to place the mines in a lightweight hull?
  6. PROXOR
    PROXOR 26 July 2013 09: 07
    +2
    Who is busy. And what about the nuclear power plant for the submarines. Or here as with aircraft engines. Only those that we bought?
  7. mirag2
    mirag2 26 July 2013 09: 27
    0
    They need a boat for working out the technologies, the only thing that they have so far lags behind the global standards is the submarine fleet.
  8. NOMADE
    NOMADE 26 July 2013 09: 37
    +1
    Hmm, "Varshavyanka" on steromds laughing
    Really strange project. Either big problems with a nuclear power plant, or they are trying to deduce a new subtype of submarines - large universal (relatively cheap to compare submarines) submarines with an air-independent power plant.
  9. antonio
    antonio 26 July 2013 09: 41
    +2
    In a paper tiger, everyone knows about problems with the reactors of Chinese nuclear submarines. And now ersatz atomic ship? Some kind of miracle is not intelligible? Why such a huge diesel submarine
    1. Letnab
      Letnab 26 July 2013 09: 49
      0
      catch up and drive America .... bully Well, Russia ...
  10. slavik_gross
    slavik_gross 26 July 2013 09: 49
    0
    Something China drove the campaign ... The meaning is not clear what such new technologies ...
  11. Windbreak
    Windbreak 26 July 2013 10: 16
    +1
    Something especially not to be trusted these figures
  12. vzhirkov
    vzhirkov 26 July 2013 10: 44
    +1
    China does not have nuclear technology to create a modern nuclear submarine. Therefore, he built a floating laboratory. Gaining experience, matching technology with us. And after 10 years, it has a nuclear triad. Let America be afraid, this is a pebble in her garden. We are from a Chinese submarine, only relaxation.
    1. PROXOR
      PROXOR 26 July 2013 11: 03
      +4
      Quote: vzhirkov
      We are from a Chinese submarine, only relaxation.

      I would never have been so categorical. China is closer to us than to mattresses.
  13. Takashi
    Takashi 26 July 2013 12: 04
    +2
    judging by the photo - this dizelyuha - experienced. a very large cabin indicates that there is not much that is interesting: launchers ?, pop-up camera? the shape of the nasal extremities is closer to the atomic.

    This allows us to conclude that China is testing equipment for the atomic pl.
    And the large crew - 88 ... 160 says that alongside the main one there will also be acceptance work + scientific + factory
  14. Foooxxxxx
    Foooxxxxx 26 July 2013 12: 52
    0
    Quote: crazyrom
    Soon they will make the largest pedal submarine, crew 150 + 400 rowers laughing

    The population allows them wassat
  15. Starover_Z
    Starover_Z 26 July 2013 13: 09
    +1
    Large dimensions are needed due to the placement of the rowing team, and therefore
    standard crew of 88 people, she is able to stay at sea for up to 30 days. If the crew increases to 130 or 200 people, then autonomy is reduced to five or three days, respectively.

    ... and there is not enough power when placing it.
    (joke smile )
    Well, a joke as a joke, but for something they need such a large case. So they have prospects for a more serious engine.
  16. Simple
    Simple 26 July 2013 13: 46
    +3
    Quote: crazyrom
    Soon they will make the largest pedal submarine, crew 150 + 400 rowers laughing



    Information on the "largest pedal submarine" on the Internet is scarce. what

    But in ancient times such "Typhoons" walked the seas:

    Tettakonteren
    Crew - 1860 people plus 400 rowers. 90m x 50m. Dimensions - 90m x 50m.
    1. Djozz
      Djozz 26 July 2013 14: 19
      0
      YOU believe in this nonsense from the so-called "Chinese chronicles" written at best in the early 18th century. Admiral Joe He allegedly built in the 15th century 300 wooden ships with a length of 140 m, a width of 50 m, flat-bottomed without a keel, with a displacement (Attention) of 3000 tons and set off with this armada to Africa, on the way in the Mallack Strait, ragged pirates, capturing 5 thousand prisoners and in general he made 7 long voyages with his armada, surpassing the Europeans who began to build such ships (Steel) at the end of the 19th century. By the way, these Chinese ships had watertight bulkheads. PY SY Any student - a techie who has passed sopromat will laugh in the face of the "chronicler" Nonsense!
      1. Kir
        Kir 26 July 2013 16: 17
        +6
        Before writing nonsense, a Greek ship would have a better look !!! And with regards to surpass the Europeans, and why re-spit it was Europeans how old? there (in Europe) forgive what happened when the Yellow Emperor ruled in China? It was only that Crete was so ..... In general, all peoples have their mythical and semi-mythical Heroes so there is nothing to harden.
        Regarding the annals, forgive it, any normal historian will confirm that Europe did not have History in its current understanding until the 18th century, and any European "historian" could put a gag in the historical narrative, I advise you to look at the preface to the academic publication Titus Livy "History Rome from the founding of the city "and the Chinese since the time of the Teacher Kun (Confitus), if not earlier, had a rule to rewrite without adding !!! Yes, and the first printing press was created not by Europe, but by the Chinese and a lot of other things from them that are still used by the whole world without a twinge, As regards discoveries, look at the map of the Oceanic Currents and then reason !!!
        1. Djozz
          Djozz 26 July 2013 17: 00
          -1
          YOU are apparently unfamiliar with sopromat, such wooden ships broke on the first wave. And at the expense of "ancient Chinese history"
          the Chinese have no documents written earlier than the 16th century! Under the Manchu rulers from 1772. a collection of all printed books ever issued in China was undertaken, after a few years 3457 titles were issued in a new edition, the remaining 6766 were described in the catalog. As a matter of fact, it was a grandiose falsification of the texts, and there were all unwanted passages from "yata." (World history in 10 volumes.
          1. Djozz
            Djozz 26 July 2013 17: 26
            0
            To tell you how they stole the tables of J. Napier's logarithms published in 1614 in Europe and passed them off as their "inventions", the iron proofs in the Chinese text revealed all the same mistakes as in Napier's book.
            1. Kir
              Kir 26 July 2013 17: 37
              +2
              But tell me only with an indication of the source, if you can’t even bring Amersky or Anglo-Saxons, since they themselves are thieves and re -izers even !!!
              1. Djozz
                Djozz 26 July 2013 17: 53
                +1
                Academician Krylov, I hope you are satisfied.
                1. Kir
                  Kir 26 July 2013 18: 36
                  0
                  An indication of that or the name of the Labor of our Outstanding National, and one should not forget that where they stood there and shaved their little shirts, look at their collections !!! so if there is anything in the unit, it’s not worth faking.
          2. Kir
            Kir 26 July 2013 17: 34
            +4
            I’m familiar with sopromat, But I snorted your nose into something completely different in the Real story and not sleek under the average europioid for which the shaving and everything else did the most important thing and one of the coolest sailors was J. Cook, by the way, according to some information, he was attributed to the brutes of other people's discoveries almost not 70% !!! And nowhere has he claimed that all the best from China has gone (indicate where in my text everything is indicated about the best).
            Now, by falsification, look at such a phenomenon as "stone canons" if this does not dissuade you of your obstinacy, then further is simply meaningless, and as a book to expand your horizons I advise you to read (see photo) There were also skeptics that something soda Egyptians are not seaworthy and so on, but those ritual but those native of the reed are very seaworthy, which was proved by T. Heyerdahl on the example of Ra !!!
            1. Djozz
              Djozz 26 July 2013 17: 55
              -1
              "Ra" sank before reaching America.
              1. Kir
                Kir 26 July 2013 18: 10
                0
                And the reason why you knew if not, then take an interest!
                1. Djozz
                  Djozz 26 July 2013 18: 21
                  0
                  The swelling of the reed and, as a result, a strong decrease in seaworthiness, immersion in water to the deck.
                  1. Kir
                    Kir 26 July 2013 18: 27
                    +2
                    Swelling due to the "lowering of the stern" the cable was not quite and there were no "strings", forgive me, but how many centuries - thousands of years have passed the technology, then partially lost, that's all !!!
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        2. Djozz
          Djozz 26 July 2013 18: 02
          0
          "The Chinese language is young in its structure. And it develops according to the same rules as English, Russian, etc. Therefore, it cannot be 4 thousand years old" quote from the book of the linguist and writer L.V. Uspensky "Word about Words" p. 318-330.
          1. Kir
            Kir 26 July 2013 18: 21
            0
            Please be so kind as to indicate the year of publication even better than a photo of a book, I specially opened it in my (1957. updated) book on those pages!
            1. Djozz
              Djozz 26 July 2013 18: 30
              0
              Uspensky L. A word about words. Why not otherwise? -L; Children lit. 1971
              1. Kir
                Kir 26 July 2013 18: 33
                0
                Give a section or chapter title then you can verify.
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      2. Simple
        Simple 26 July 2013 19: 19
        0
        "YOU believe in this nonsense ..."


        I prefer to believe in order to do better. Something like this.
        1. Kir
          Kir 26 July 2013 19: 23
          0
          Simple and by the way there are some ballists, judging by the "seriousness" of the catamaran (and they also say that the first of the whites ......, but not the Greeks) the guns should have been powerful enough.
          1. Simple
            Simple 26 July 2013 19: 52
            0
            Kir, I'm not special at that.

            Reading briefly in these links:
            http://www.nexusboard.net/sitemap/8501/kriegsschiffe-der-antike-t38/
            http://simposium.ru/ru/node/873
            http://ancientrome.ru/antlitr/plutarch/sgo/demetrios-f.htm

            somewhere it was written that basically the outcome of the battle lay on the ships,
            who weighed three times less than these monsters.
          2. Simple
            Simple 26 July 2013 20: 28
            0
            Kir, if interested:

            http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zbSOqh-vk4E

            http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BEz45MUu6p8
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    2. Djozz
      Djozz 26 July 2013 17: 21
      0
      Well, straight battleship of the 20th century in terms of team size!
  17. smiths xnumx
    smiths xnumx 26 July 2013 14: 19
    +4
    This is a normal platform for developing technologies. And for those who like to laugh at the Chinese, I suggest remembering our project 629 diesel-electric submarine, which served at the TOV until the end of the 80s. You can also remember the experimental diesel-electric submarine of project 20120 B-90 "Sarov", which is specially designed for testing new technologies, with their subsequent implementation on submarines. Yours faithfully!
    1. andreitk20
      andreitk20 26 July 2013 15: 11
      0
      I agree, the Chinese will work out new equipment on it. Its contours are like 877 pl, only the sizes are larger.
  18. Straus_zloy
    Straus_zloy 26 July 2013 15: 56
    +2
    to a large ship - a large torpedo
  19. crambol
    crambol 26 July 2013 16: 11
    +1
    And her contours are pretty!
  20. chenia
    chenia 26 July 2013 16: 35
    +1
    Let them do it, well done! And they have more fleets. This direction of the Chinese military doctrine must be supported. And let the head of p / e / n / d / o / s / o / in and jar hurts.
  21. tomich
    tomich 26 July 2013 17: 34
    0
    news from the same category as the 5th generation Chinese fighter. talked and forgot. PR is shorter than Chinese consumer goods
    1. fartfraer
      fartfraer 27 July 2013 04: 53
      +1
      countryman, don't you know about Chinese consumer goods) By the way, you did not pay attention to the rather large number of Chinese trucks we have? It’s strange, isn’t it true that our builders and other "comers" have recruited "Chinese" instead of KAMAZ trucks.
  22. old man54
    old man54 26 July 2013 17: 51
    +1
    It’s immediately clear to him that it’s not a multi-purpose boat, but either a submarine with SLBMs, which is more likely, or a boat for special operation and landing of DRG from the submarine, which the PRC should be very interested in. Those. a large mini-submarine can be located in the wheelhouse for the delivery of saboteurs and their weapons to the shore.
    The sturdy hull of the Chinese submarine with the number "201" allows you to dive to a depth of 160 meters (working), and, if necessary, to 200.

    A very dubious "achievement" of Chinese design thought, especially when you consider that today is the 21st century, and our domestic post-war submarine submarines of projects 611 and 613 had a diving depth of 200 meters. wink And they began to build more than 60 years ago. tongue
  23. Simple
    Simple 26 July 2013 19: 09
    0
    Quote: Djozz
    Any student - a techie who has passed the material will laugh in the face of the "chronicler" Nonsense!


    There was an even larger ship:
    Tesserakontere:
    http://www.nexusboard.net/sitemap/8501/kriegsschiffe-der-antike-t38/
    http://simposium.ru/ru/node/873 (с 37 параграфа)

    True, in fairness, according to Plutarch:
    “But this vessel was suitable only for display, and not for business, and was almost no different from fixed structures, for it was both unsafe and extremely difficult to move it” (http://ancientrome.ru/antlitr/plutarch/sgo/demetrios -f.htm)

    There were reptiles of a group of flying dinosaurs (pterosaurs) living in the Jurassic and Cretaceous periods.

    For example Quetzalcoatlus


    So: from the point of view of modern mechanics and sopromat, this flying lizard could not fly itself.
    1. Kir
      Kir 26 July 2013 19: 17
      +1
      And according to one version, he did not fly, but "rushing" off the cliff (by the way, from memory, they seemed to live on coastal rocks), he caught the stream and already on it, but only then, like this "bird", the spectacle climbed on this very spectacle! !!
      1. Simple
        Simple 26 July 2013 19: 32
        0
        Mounted this probably only on the rocks or enough to take off
        elevations.
    2. Edward
      Edward 26 July 2013 20: 13
      0
      This lizard, like all lizards in general, loved to fart. So, in the process of evolution, he developed the ability to self-seal the output rear nozzle, and pump excess hydrogen into the internal cavities. Which allowed him to soar into the heavens)))
      1. Kir
        Kir 26 July 2013 20: 36
        0
        Chemist, and where did Sera go?
        1. Edward
          Edward 26 July 2013 22: 10
          0
          If "chemist" is for me, then I will add that the chemistry of humor is the best chemistry in the world!

          Well, if you continue the conversation, then you can assume anything about "how and why" :)
          "The biological role of sulfur is exceptionally great. It is part of sulfur-containing amino acids - cysteine, cystine, the essential amino acid meteonin, biologically active substances (histamine, biotin, lipoic acid, etc.). The active centers of the molecules of a number of enzymes include SH - groups participating in many enzymatic reactions, including the creation and stabilization of the native three-dimensional structure of proteins, and in some cases - directly as catalytic centers of enzymes.
          Sulfur provides such a delicate and complex process in the cell as energy transfer: it transfers electrons, taking one of the unpaired oxygen electrons to the free orbital.
          This explains the high need of the body for this element.
          Sulfur is involved in the fixation and transport of methyl groups. It is also part of various coenzymes, including coenzyme A. Most of the sulfur enters the body as amino acids, and is excreted mainly in the urine as SO2-4. "
          1. Kir
            Kir 26 July 2013 22: 39
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            Mutually exchanged humor, but now the riddle will immediately say not photoshop and "garbage" is clearly manageable, but something does not look like a hang glider, maybe some special model
            1. Edward
              Edward 26 July 2013 23: 13
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              my low vision and the lack of clarity of the picture block any manifestations of my imagination request
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    3. Misantrop
      Misantrop 26 July 2013 22: 53
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      Quote: Simple
      from the point of view of modern mechanics and sopromat, this flying lizard could not, itself, take off.
      Modern science puts forward two versions. One is that they were more planning, not flying. Although it is doubtful. The second version is more interesting. That during this period the planet’s atmosphere was denser. This explains the possibility of flight of such reptiles, and the small volume of lungs in dinosaurs (which, too, seems to be insufficient for their full existence)
      1. Simple
        Simple 26 July 2013 23: 41
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        One head is good, and two or more is better.

        Then, I mean, the atmospheric currents were stronger.
  24. Tirpitz
    Tirpitz 26 July 2013 19: 51
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    Quote: buzuke
    Well, if it is experimental, then it was necessary to do it on firewood in general, they would save even more

    the Turks also neigh when Peter built his primitive boat.
  25. Savva30
    Savva30 26 July 2013 21: 29
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    Under the USSR, we also loved to build everything big, huge ... And what plans we had ...
  26. NOBODY EXCEPT US
    NOBODY EXCEPT US 26 July 2013 23: 25
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    The most important thing in this article is what? Not dimensions, not weapons, and not even size, but the fact that such a colossus was laid in 2008, and launched in 2010, by means of simple mathematical calculations we get 2 (TWO !!!) years ..... that’s what’s most important here
    1. EdwardTich68
      EdwardTich68 27 July 2013 02: 57
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      During the war, the Germans built a boat for a month, and the Americans set a record for ships of the "Liberty" type that took part in convoys and built in 3-4 days.
      1. fartfraer
        fartfraer 27 July 2013 04: 57
        +1
        the more surprising is shipbuilding in the great maritime power of the Russian Federation.
  27. xomaNN
    xomaNN 28 July 2013 20: 25
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    I recall our on-duty joke from the engineers of the military industrial complex- SOVIET CHIPS THE BIGGEST IN THE WORLD :))