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Latvia wants to unite the three Baltic armies

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Recently, the Latvian President Andris Berzins made a far-reaching initiative. He said that in order to implement the NATO principle of “reasonable defense”, the armies of the three Baltic countries would be advisable to combine into one.


It is necessary to go towards a much closer consolidation of forces, because individually we are less strong, and especially in the field of naval forces. The concept of “smart defense” should move all things forward.


Latvia wants to unite the three Baltic armies


Apparently, the Latvian president remembered a parable about how separate rods break with a flick of the wrist, and how hard it is to break a sheaf, tied from these rods, and therefore literally Napoleonic thought that the army of Latvia, Estonia and Lithuania must come to his head to integrate, putting at the head of this "formidable force" the single Baltic command.

The maxim of Berzins that “individually we are less strong” is indisputable. But how much stronger will be the united Baltic army, to which Berzins dreams in his dreams, is a big question. If the strength of the separate armies does not go beyond the statistical error for the average army of the North Atlantic Alliance, will there be much more power if these statistical errors are added? .. As they say, one mortar is good, two is better, and three is a combined Baltic army.

The Army (National Armed Forces) of Latvia today is an association of 5000 operatives (military personnel) and approximately 10-11 thousands of reservists. If we talk about military equipment used by the Latvian army, these are a couple of experienced aircraft, half a dozen helicopters (mostly Mi-17), armored cars, patrol boats, armored personnel carriers, small weapon, mortars and ... bicycles.

The Lithuanian Army has about 11 thousands of troops, more than 75% of which belong to the Ground Forces. They are armed with more than a hundred field artillery guns, 60 mortars, about 70 ATGM, recoilless 84-mm guns, armored personnel carriers, a dozen BRDM-2. The Lithuanian Air Force includes several Mi-8 and seven airplanes, most of which are Czech-made light transport vehicles (the same “Elki”). The Lithuanian Navy is a few patrol boats, a small anti-submarine ship of the 1124M project, Lindau minesweepers, a staff ship of mine-sweeping forces.
Army of Estonia. There are about 6 thousands of military personnel, up to 30 thousands of reservists. About 70 armored personnel carriers and armored vehicles, up to hundreds of artillery guns, about 200 mortars, about 100 anti-aircraft guns, 30 air defense missile systems.

If we talk about the volume of expenditures on national armies in the three Baltic countries on the level of GDP, here in the first place is Estonia. According to the results of 2011, the expenditure part of the budget for the army in this country amounted to about 1,86% (in Latvia - 1,14%, in Lithuania - about 1,6%).

Well, so what happens? .. Berzins becomes a few hundred mortars and one anti-submarine ship more ... What will change in the defense capacity of Latvia, and the whole Baltic? .. And, by and large, it’s not quite clear what purpose the Latvian President pursues his proposal, which, by the way, the Estonian leadership has already called inappropriate. If Andris Voldemarovich was going to show the “fuckin 'mother” to potential opponents of the Baltic states, then the plans are really Napoleonic, taking into account that at the official level the Afghan Taliban and Iraqi supporters of the ideas of the ousted and executed Saddam Hussein are the main opponents (judging by the participation of the Balts) international operations as part of NATO). Combining the Baltic armies to oppose the Taliban is certainly strong! .. You will not say anything.

But you and I know perfectly well what lurking thoughts were spinning in the head of Mr Berzins, once a member of the CPSU and the head of the Valmiera regional executive committee, when he voiced his proposal. And these thoughts after all obviously concerned the possibility of countering the main opponent of the entire Baltic sovereign democracy, according to the Baltic sovereign democrats themselves, the Russian Federation. Someone, of course, will say: what kind of dirty suspicions and insinuations ... Berzins, they say, did not think to express the idea of ​​uniting the armed forces of Latvia, Lithuania and Estonia with the aim of putting a kind of barrier to Russia. Yes, of course I did not think. I myself did not think ... After all, someone could have bothered. And it is known who. NATO has already once expressed similar thoughts about the desirability of bringing the three Baltic armies together. Apparently, in Brussels they can’t get used to the fact that the Baltic States are three different states, whose armies are entirely in the North Atlantic alliance, but at the same time they themselves cannot ensure the security of their territory. They cannot, if only for the simple reason that NATO pilots must constantly go to Baltic missions to protect the “Baltic democracy” from the air. From whom do they protect? From the Afghan Taliban? .. That was probably the idea of ​​the alliance officials: maybe these Balts should be combined at least at the military level - you see, as a result, it will be cheaper for the alliance - one thing is worth optimizing (read - reducing).

But if the Estonian and Lithuanian heads decided not to notice such aspirations of Brussels at one time, then Andris Berzins pointedly remarked and even wanted to get an approving pat on the shoulder from NATO bosses: they say ah and Andris, ah and North Atlantic son!

But after all, by and large, Berzins needed to come up with more progressive proposals for the entire Baltic states. For example, not only to unite the armies of Latvia, Lithuania and Estonia, but also to unite this three-body multi-unit formation with the US Army. Make a kind of remote warbler branch of the star-striped armed forces. This is the only way to teach “these Russians”, which, you know, constantly threaten the freedom and independence of the Baltic States, taking either its banks, then hotels, or entire elite villages on the Riga seaside “captive” ...
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  1. Valery Neonov
    Valery Neonov 25 July 2013 07: 15 New
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    Probably the information regarding the number of three (!) Armies to the president was not submitted correctly (postscripts however ...) laughing , but I’m not going to go deep, admit for insults.repeat

    And not everything at the Baltic states amicably passes:“Latvians should not be offended by statements made in the Estonian media, in which the defense power of the Latvian army is assessed as very insignificant, but in case of war, the armed forces of Latvia will only be able to guard sacks of flour somewhere far in the rear,” a well-known Estonian political scientist shares this opinion. foreign policy expert Peeter Cauldre. "

    see http: //www.ves.lv/article/232476
    1. Canep
      Canep 25 July 2013 13: 22 New
      +2
      Maybe we will live to see the united army of the Baltic states, only for this they will have to hurry very, very much.
      1. Namejs
        Namejs 27 July 2013 02: 00 New
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        I read comments and I don’t understand, is there such gloating and cynicism?
        If one of the European neighbors increases its military potential, all recently, they say, are going to fight. If the army is very small, then just plain ridicule is too much.

        The Baltic countries are very small (together with a population of 7-8 million) and the total number of military is about 15-000. And this is a very normal amount. For example, Sweden, with almost 22 million people, has 000 army, for which it is so well equipped.

        I can tell about my homeland, about Latvia. The Armed Forces of Latvia are small, since for a population of 2 million it is very difficult to maintain an army with all types of troops and maintain the required level of combat readiness. Therefore, we will form NATO where, if something happens, about 11 divisions of Germans, Americans and British will come to the rescue (read the article about Operation "Defender Eagle". Operation for the defense of the Baltic and Polsha in case of addressing from the Russian Federation and RB).
        Ask, why do we need NATO? Russia is not ready to attack - Yes, but what can be foreseen? Such as Zhirinovsky just promised to demolish Latvia as such. Okay, if there is such a thing as some radicals, this is a deputy of the State Duma !!!
        Therefore, we are calm under the reliable defense of NATO.

        I apologize for grammar mistakes
        1. Alexander Romanov
          Alexander Romanov 27 July 2013 06: 35 New
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          Quote: Namejs
          If the army is very small, then just plain ridicule is too much.

          And whom and from whom can such an army protect?
          Quote: Namejs
          Therefore, we are calm under the reliable defense of NATO.

          And she's definitely reliable wink
          1. Namejs
            Namejs 27 July 2013 11: 57 New
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            If compared with Russia, then of course it will not be able to. Well, do we really need to expect aggression from Russia?

            The main thing is that this small army is well prepared and in solidarity to fulfill its obligations as a member of the NATO coalitions.

            Quote: Alexander Romanov
            And she's definitely reliable

            Of course. What doubts can there be?
            1. Alexander Romanov
              Alexander Romanov 27 July 2013 12: 00 New
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              Quote: Namejs
              Of course. What doubts can there be?

              I can’t understand one thing, if no one is threatening Latvia, so why the hell to join NATO and fight for American interests, periodically dying for American democracy?
              1. Namejs
                Namejs 28 July 2013 12: 22 New
                +1
                Well, as if not threatening, well, you yourself say-Latvia will be once back to Russia. How else to perceive it as if not a threat to the independence of Latvia?
    2. Namejs
      Namejs 27 July 2013 02: 28 New
      -2
      Why do we need to maintain a large army? Is Russia going to attack?

      What are the Latvian armed forces at the moment?
      This is a small fully contracted army. Yes, we only have one ground brigade (two motorized infantry battalions and two battalions for providing fire support). And most importantly, this brigade is involved in providing peacekeeping operations ...
      Well, in the case of Chevo, we still have three brigades of active reserve or, as they say, the people's militia.

      Many here laugh that we have three tanks. Yes, there are only three of them. But they are not in service and are predominantly learning only as infantry training aids.
      But let's talk about the main thing. Let us compare a Latvian soldier with a Russian.

      1.Latish soldier most of the time leads in the field. In a year, it shoots at different occupations for several thousand different kinds of patrons and therefore confidently owns weapons. As the chief weapons specialist of the Latvian Armed Forces, he explained in one of the intervals - often for some exercises the soldiers fire a splinter in a real combat situation.
      Tell me, who is it - how many conscripts of a conventional unit of the RF Armed Forces shoots a year? Will there be at least 1 thousand patrons?

      2. Omonding - since 2006 in Latvia, soldiers have been led a new field form of the new generation. Is there an analogue of such a form in Russia right now- and how many percent already have a new form?

      3. The ordinary armed forces of the Republic of Lithuania begins to receive a salary of 450 lats (850-900 dollars). And this is just an ordinary. Before the crisis, Ryadavov’s salary was approximately $ 1100
      Does Skolko now receive a regular soldier of the Armed Forces of the RF?

      I apologize for the grammar mistakes
      1. Namejs
        Namejs 27 July 2013 03: 01 New
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        A little bit about the everyday life of Latvian soldiers.

        As you can see, they do not peel potatoes and do not make cantics on snowdrifts as happens in other armed forces of the Collective Security Treaty Organization
        1. studentmati
          studentmati 27 July 2013 03: 13 New
          +1
          The soldiers who opposed 08.08.2008/XNUMX/XNUMX also did not peel potatoes, put on shoes, put on clothes and wiped the ass according to the NATO standard. So what?
          1. Alexander Romanov
            Alexander Romanov 27 July 2013 06: 27 New
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            Quote: studentmati
            ass wiped according to the NATO standard. So what?

            What, what, that’s been done according to the western model laughing
        2. Alexander Romanov
          Alexander Romanov 27 July 2013 06: 25 New
          +1
          Quote: Namejs
          As you can see, they do not peel potatoes and do not make cantics on snowdrifts as happens in other armed forces of the Collective Security Treaty Organization

          Yes, who argues that you have the most powerful army in myrrh - that's daa wassat
          1. Namejs
            Namejs 27 July 2013 12: 02 New
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            You mistakenly think that I want to prove that we are the most deft army in the world ... We do not have megalomania.
            And the fact that the army is good and the soldier is better served than in Russia is for sure.
            1. Alexander Romanov
              Alexander Romanov 27 July 2013 12: 20 New
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              Quote: Namejs
              . We do not have megalomania.

              Well, how not, how much did you find Russia owe you there? And after all, your politicians, spending money on this, believe that Russia will pay. Although it’s not megalomania, it’s schizophrenia wassat
              Quote: Namejs
              And the fact that the army is good and the soldier is better served than in Russia is for sure.

              Oh yes, composting toilet, paper, cartridges of morrrre laughing
              1. Namejs
                Namejs 27 July 2013 13: 07 New
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                Quote: Alexander Romanov
                Well, how not, how much did you find Russia owe you there? And after all, your politicians, spending money on this, believe that Russia will pay. Although it’s not megalomania, it’s schizophrenia


                We are currently comparing the army and not about the politics of Latvia.


                Quote: Alexander Romanov
                Oh yes, composting toilet, paper, cartridges of morrrre


                Well, about cartridges, I cited as an example that our Latvian soldier is well prepared. Since he is standing at the training ground or at what other exercises, and he serves for 5-8 years, he is much more experienced than the average conscript of the Russian Federation. With the exception of course, special subdivision, etc. But a fragment of such in the RF from the total number of the RF Armed Forces?

                and flying paper is not so important. You, too, pose it. And our barracks are also much better and the soldiers are fed much better.

                In other words, in everyday life, it’s all right, why in the Russian Federation can’t provide the same level? You have more resources and the economic potential is much higher.
                1. Alexander Romanov
                  Alexander Romanov 27 July 2013 13: 59 New
                  +1
                  Quote: Namejs
                  . With the exception of course, special subdivision, etc. But a fragment of such in the RF from the total number of the RF Armed Forces?

                  You lagged behind life, now firing is ongoing and training is several times higher. With regards to how many there are, well, about 40 total number + reservists. Enough for the whole of Europe. Speaking of Europe and NATO, how many forces were able to gather and with what creak for aggression in Libya?
                  Quote: Namejs
                  And our barracks are also much better and the soldiers are fed much better.

                  I got it, will you be measured for a long time? I found with whom and which army to compare. It will be necessary for our soldiers in Riga, in spite of all your training, in 2 hours. Your elite units will not last longer, there will not be enough diapers.
                  1. Namejs
                    Namejs 27 July 2013 14: 56 New
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                    Quote: Alexander Romanov
                    reservists. For all of Europe, enough for the eyes. Speaking of Europe and NATO, how many forces were able to gather and with what creak for aggression in Libya?


                    You have a very simple view of political processes. The European state is not Russia dge is solved by several people. Each country has its own vision of processes. For example, France and Germany did not go to Iraq, and this was not a NATO operation. The NATO operation was in Afghanistan and there the alliance acted under the UN mandate (where Russia also supported the invasion).


                    Quote: Alexander Romanov
                    I got it, will you be measured for a long time? I found with whom and which army to compare. It will be necessary for our soldiers in Riga, in spite of all your training, in 2 hours. Your elite units will not last longer, there will not be enough diapers.


                    There is no doubt that Russia has potential and Latvia is even an obstacle. But the talk is not about strength, but about the attitude of the command to its military personnel. And in Latvia this respect is much higher.
                    For example, when two commandos were sunk in Rica after sniffing with powder, the commanding officer and the commandos commander left immediately.

                    And how much in Russia does a soldier die in exercises every year? According to one statistic (approximately for 2009) there were approximately 270 such people.
                    And about the diapers, you're in vain. Why so rude at once?
                    I do not name the Russian soldiers Holodrazimi or otherwise. There is elementary respect and adhere to this

                    Quote: Alexander Romanov
                    You lagged behind life, now firing is ongoing and training is several times higher. With regards to how many there are, well, about 40 total number + reservists. Enough for the whole of Europe.


                    well then things are moving forward.
                    If I am unmistakable, should your transition to a fully professional service already be completed?

                    How do you do with professionalization?
                    1. Alexander Romanov
                      Alexander Romanov 27 July 2013 15: 18 New
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                      Quote: Namejs
                      . Each country has its own vision of processes.

                      Yes, but not every party has political weight. What is Latvia in the world community - NOTHING, DUST. The opinion of which interests no one.
                      Quote: Namejs
                      the commanding officer and the special forces commander immediately left his post.

                      If the special forces commander resigns due to an absurd accident, then this is already nonsense. To lose the pros is **** changes.
                      Quote: Namejs
                      According to one statistic (approximately for 2009)

                      What stuck in 2009, there is another fresh one. There were ghibli in the days of the USSR. By the way, according to the same statistics from the US Army, only more soldiers committed suicide than in Russia in all cases.
                      Quote: Namejs
                      If I am unmistakable, should your transition to a fully professional service already be completed?

                      Mistaken, this is about Ukraine. Even in the plans this was not.
                      Quote: Namejs

                      How do you do with professionalization?

                      Unlike the USA, they won excellently in all international exercises. The last Airborne, where NATO with its ugly equipment remained in full F ** E. Tutt facts on the site hi
                      1. Namejs
                        Namejs 27 July 2013 15: 56 New
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                        Quote: Alexander Romanov
                        Yes, but not every party has political weight. What is Latvia in the world community - NOTHING, DUST. The opinion of which interests no one.

                        Latvia is small but in international relations (well, for example, within the EU) a certain culture of diplomacy is respected. You, as it seems to me, are ready to respect only those who are stronger than Russia.

                        Quote: Alexander Romanov
                        If the special forces commander resigns due to an absurd accident, then this is already nonsense. To lose the pros is **** changes.


                        It was once said that in the USSR losses in the amount of one division per year are considered normal. I’m not sure that the situation was so bad, but the fact that Russia according to the same year 2009 in peacetime is sweeping more soldiers than the Americans in Afghanistan, this means that someone should answer for it.

                        In a specific case, the safety rules were seriously violated - the commander is always responsible for the subordinate subdivision, and this is correct.

                        Quote: Alexander Romanov
                        What stuck in 2009, there is another fresh one. There were ghibli in the days of the USSR. By the way, according to the same statistics from the US Army, only more soldiers committed suicide than in Russia in all cases.


                        You can at least call the number of numbers. not me not you are not in the analytical service to work with the latest data

                        therefore it is not necessary to judge strictly.

                        And 2009 is also relevant as it shows that over 18 years of leadership of the Russian Federation failed to solve a number of problems

                        Quote: Alexander Romanov
                        Unlike the USA, they won excellently in all international exercises. The last Airborne, where NATO with its ugly equipment remained in full F ** E. Tutt facts on the site

                        You can name the article and give an approximate date. very interesting
                      2. Alexander Romanov
                        Alexander Romanov 27 July 2013 16: 10 New
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                        Quote: Namejs
                        You, as it seems to me, are ready to respect only those who are stronger than Russia.

                        In the world there are countries stronger than Russia ??? If you think this is the United States, this is the first country that I cannot stand.
                        Quote: Namejs

                        You can at least approximate numbers

                        According to the Pentagon, in just the past year, 349 military personnel committed suicide, which is 15% more than in 2011. Of the total number of suicides in 2012, 182 cases occurred on the ground forces, another 60 suicides were recorded among representatives of the Navy, 59 cases in the Air Force and 48 cases in the Marine Corps.
                        Quote: Namejs
                        You can title the article

                        Yes, the latter were also in the news, the rest type in google
                      3. Namejs
                        Namejs 28 July 2013 14: 40 New
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                        Quote: Alexander Romanov
                        In the world there are countries stronger than Russia ???

                        Of course have. Why do you think that Russia is stronger than all?

                        Quote: Alexander Romanov
                        According to the Pentagon, in just the past year, 349 military personnel committed suicide, which is 15% more than in 2011. Of the total number of suicides in 2012, 182 cases occurred on the ground forces, another 60 suicides were recorded among representatives of the Navy, 59 cases in the Air Force and 48 cases in the Marine Corps.

                        Yes pichalno.

                        If I am unmistakable, then in Russia about the same figures for suicide?

                        Quote: Alexander Romanov
                        Yes, the latter were also in the news, the rest type in google

                        hi
                      4. Alexander Romanov
                        Alexander Romanov 28 July 2013 15: 13 New
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                        Quote: Namejs
                        Of course have. Why do you think that Russia is stronger than all?

                        Many people in the world thought, and how long can Russia hold out against Germany in 1941, do you know the result? There are no people in the world who would come to Russia and win, NO AND NOT! And the US is rowing or you think will win laughing
                        Quote: Namejs
                        If I am unmistakable, then in Russia about the same figures for suicide?

                        You are mistaken, the maximum was in 2008 -241 people, now a decrease of 114 -121 people according to various sources for 2012
                      5. Namejs
                        Namejs 28 July 2013 22: 05 New
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                        Quote: Alexander Romanov
                        Many people in the world thought, and how long can Russia hold out against Germany in 1941, do you know the result? There are no people in the world who would come to Russia and win, NO AND NOT! And the US is rowing or you think will win

                        If Hitler would not miss the strategic goal in the course of the campaign and not make even a few more big mistakes, Moscow would hardly have resisted.

                        Russia has always been able to stand up to the blogger just for the enormous size of the country and not because they fought better. The Netherlands, Belgians and the French could not afford to retreat several thousand kilometers, while suffering huge losses.

                        Kakby, Russia did not win anyone, well, it’s because Russia defeated itself.


                        Quote: Alexander Romanov
                        You are mistaken, the maximum was in 2008 -241 people, now a decrease of 114 -121 people according to various sources for 2012


                        It will be necessary to wonder about the previous source.
                        Thanks for the statistics!
  • Alexander Romanov
    Alexander Romanov 27 July 2013 06: 33 New
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    Quote: Namejs
    Why do we need to maintain a large army? Is Russia going to attack?

    Your politicians are constantly talking about the threat from Russia. With regards to why you need a large army, you keep that battalion in subsidies. The money is dumb.
    Quote: Namejs
    Well, in the case of Chevo, we still have three brigades of active reserve or, as they say, the people's militia.

    And everyone in Siberia will be laughing
    Quote: Namejs
    od? Will there be at least 1 thousand patrons?

    Yes, we are more and more mfyrfvb yes rockets, planes, helicopters. But you have thousands of cartridges wink
    Quote: Namejs
    2. Omonding - since 2006 in Latvia, soldiers have been led a new field form of the new generation. An analogue of such a form in Russia is understood now- and how much percentage has already been provided with a new form

    As the man below said, the Georgians were wearing a brand new NATO uniform, it was more convenient to run in it.
    Quote: Namejs
    Does Skolko now receive a regular soldier of the Armed Forces of the RF?

    Our conscripts receive much less, but they charge much more with stars. A soldier is not strong in money, but strong in spirit.
    1. Namejs
      Namejs 27 July 2013 07: 56 New
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      Quote: Alexander Romanov
      Your politicians are constantly talking about the threat from Russia. With regards to why you need a large army, you keep that battalion in subsidies. The money is dumb.


      you in the Russian Federation very many constantly talk about such things as the restoration of the empire. where is the confidence that they will not be in power in 3-4 years?

      And what does the subsidy mean? Grants is support for an industry that is unprofitable ... And since when has the army been measured for profitability?

      And about the money. The fact that there was a severe crisis in 2009-2010 was already quite a lot. At the moment, Latvia is the fastest growing economy in the EU

      Quote: Alexander Romanov
      Yes, we are more and more mfyrfvb yes rockets, planes, helicopters. But you have thousands of cartridges



      yes, pathetic somehow ... Skolko doesn’t read the release, so in almost all major naval exercises there are accidents with these missiles of yours .. The very same Kursk was drowned out of low-quality topopedi. But what about the Mace? What about the current Proton?

      and the infantryman is the basis of any army and if he is poorly prepared, it will be more difficult to complete the task of any reconciliation.
      Our infantryman is much better prepared than the Russian

      Quote: Alexander Romanov
      As the man below said, the Georgians were wearing a brand new NATO uniform, it was more convenient to run in it.



      I must recall that what size Russia and what Georgia. What army did Georgia have before 2004 and how much did it become in 4 years. And this is not progress?
      In addition, the Georgians put too much pressure on training in conducting peacekeeping operations i.e. like anti guerrilla warfare. Fighting at the conventional level is something else.
      The Georgians could show themselves better, but it’s obvious that they weren’t truly ready for such a turn of events.


      Quote: Alexander Romanov
      Our conscripts receive much less, but they charge much more with stars. A soldier is not strong in money, but strong in spirit.


      You have contractors. And how many of their salaries?

      The old song is a professional for money and an conscript with a soul for his homeland. Well then, what is your officer? Also a professional, otherwise it can’t be. And about what morale in your sun is visible
      1. Alexander Romanov
        Alexander Romanov 27 July 2013 12: 10 New
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        Quote: Namejs
        And since when has the army been measured by profitability?

        I will say this, the army must protect its people, the country from ANY aggressor, from ANYONE !!! Your even in size is not a division not equipped with anything sensible will not be able to resist anyone at all!
        Quote: Namejs
        At the moment, Latvia is the fastest growing economy in the EU

        Oh, you fly into debt again wink
        Quote: Namejs
        then ... Skolko didn’t read the release, so in almost all major naval exercises there are accidents with these missiles of yours .. The very same Kursk was drowned from poor-quality topedos. But what about the Mace? What about the current Proton?

        As for Kursk, there’s a lot of confusion about which torpedo it drowned from. According to Bulava, well, during the tests everyone has failures, now the Bulava is adopted.
        Quote: Namejs
        Our infantryman is much better prepared than the Russian

        Well, tell this to the Georgian soldiers who were better prepared than ours. Our quit peeling potatoes, they went and piled on. Maybe they didn’t know that American specialists were preparing Georgian soldiers, well laughing
        Quote: Namejs
        What army did Georgia have before 2004 and how much did it become in 4 years. And this is not progress?

        NO, a trader cannot be a soldier IMHO! And you yourself are comparing the territory and ....
        Quote: Namejs
        The Georgians could show themselves better, but it’s obvious that they weren’t truly ready for such a turn of events.

        But are you ready, right? wink
        Quote: Namejs
        ? Also a professional, otherwise it can’t be. And about what morale in your sun is visible

        Listen, I don’t know who doesn’t come to us, we pile on everyone from time to time. We need to, went to defend our homeland and don’t think about money, we went and piled on. I was looking for a video for a long time
        1. Namejs
          Namejs 27 July 2013 13: 57 New
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          Quote: Alexander Romanov
          I will say this, the army must protect its people, the country from ANY aggressor, from ANYONE !!! Your even in size is not a division not equipped with anything sensible will not be able to resist anyone at all!


          And from kago do we need to defend for the moment?

          Of course, each country must obligate to protect its people and Latvia at the moment it provides. Participation in the NATO bloc makes it possible to achieve this goal with less investment in defense.



          Quote: Alexander Romanov
          Oh, you fly into debt again


          but the standard of living in Latvia is higher than in the Russian Federation. And in Estonia, the level of life is generally the highest in the entire former USSR

          about the economy - a lot of Russians crawl about the possibility of starting a business in Latvia. These businessmen very well respond to the Latvian legislation and tax policy. And this is not only a banking sector. For example, this year the Uralvagonzavod will begin to produce wagons in Latvia (it is planned to produce 2 wagons a year) or an investment in the former RAF where buses are already being built.


          Quote: Alexander Romanov
          As for Kursk, there’s a lot of confusion about which torpedo it drowned from. According to Bulava, well, during the tests everyone has failures, now the Bulava is adopted.



          I believe that the main problem of the RF Armed Forces is corruption. Even on topvar there was an article of the chief military commander, the prosecutors are so many that they fail to realize it.


          Quote: Alexander Romanov
          Well, tell this to the Georgian soldiers who were better prepared than ours. Our quit peeling potatoes, they went and piled on. Maybe they didn’t know that American specialists were preparing Georgian soldiers, well


          Well, about that conflict a lot of things are unclear. As you probably know, the army consists of 3 components - control (command), quartermaster and living force. So in that conflict, it was the Georgian command that showed incompetence. And about the Georgian rank-and-file I wouldn’t be so kotigoric.

          Quote: Alexander Romanov
          NO, a trader cannot be a soldier IMHO! And you yourself are comparing the territory and ....

          Sorry did not make sense

          Quote: Alexander Romanov
          But are you ready, right?


          to what? fight against Russia?

          Quote: Alexander Romanov
          Listen, I don’t know who doesn’t come to us, we pile on everyone from time to time. We need to, went to defend our homeland and don’t think about money, we went and piled on. I was looking for a video for a long time



          There is a current profession, to defend the homeland, this phrase appeared in the USSR.
          Those who go to serve professionals understand well what is going on. It’s just that he’s much more experienced and better prepared and is incomparable with a conscript who served a year and a half.
          Kakraz professional is that one who works on a saba and constantly hangs his level.

          Yes, heaped, but at what cost? How many millionaires were stacked. This is very sad
          1. Alexander Romanov
            Alexander Romanov 27 July 2013 14: 10 New
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            Quote: Namejs
            but the standard of living in Latvia is higher than in the Russian Federation.

            Hahahaha, well, really scream.
            Quote: Namejs
            I believe that the main problem of the RF Armed Forces is corruption

            I guess, yes.
            Quote: Namejs

            Well, about that conflict a lot of things are unclear.

            Oh really? In addition to training, the soldiers should have the willpower to fight. Then they took one company of marines laughing
            Quote: Namejs
            to what? fight against Russia?

            For US interests
            Quote: Namejs
            Yes, heaped, but at what cost?

            And what, OUR losses of more than 70 people, from the side of Georgia almost 3000
            1. Namejs
              Namejs 27 July 2013 15: 14 New
              0
              Quote: Alexander Romanov
              Hahahaha, well, really scream.


              For some reason, no one from Latvia to Russia is unwilling — and the Russian business and entrepreneurs with great pleasure are moving to Latvia. I wonder why so?

              Quote: Alexander Romanov
              Oh really? In addition to training, the soldiers should have the willpower to fight. Then they took one company of marines


              moral status is very important. Unconditionally

              Quote: Alexander Romanov
              For US interests


              Latvia is not a subject of the United States. Is it ignorance of geography or divide the world only into Russia and the United States? Sometimes it seems to me that you are too carried away by conspiracy theories.
              Latvia acts only in its own interests. And if it seems to you that NATO membership immediately means being a banana republic of the states, then I am very sorry for you ..

              I am skeptical about these numbers. Alas, in a particular case, I distrust Russian data. Yes, and to the Georgian too.
              1. Alexander Romanov
                Alexander Romanov 27 July 2013 15: 25 New
                0
                Quote: Namejs

                For some reason, no one from Latvia to Russia is unwilling — and the Russian business and entrepreneurs with great pleasure are moving to Latvia.

                How many young people left for permanent residence in other countries from Latvia? With regards to business, you basically have an offshore, and everything is cheap, the standard of living is small, then why don’t you buy something request
                Quote: Namejs
                . Is it ignorance of geography or divide the world only into Russia and the United States?

                I know the geography, but in the world there are only two heavyweight players — the United States and Russia, well, China is quietly pulling up.
                Quote: Namejs
                Latvia acts only in its own interests

                So what are Latvia's interests in Afghanistan? I see only die for the interests of the United States, there is simply no other!
                Quote: Namejs
                Alas, in a particular case, I distrust Russian data.

                This is not Georgian or Russian data, this is a debriefing on the international scene. You want to accept, you want to not. The number of those killed will not change.
                1. Namejs
                  Namejs 27 July 2013 16: 14 New
                  +1
                  Quote: Alexander Romanov
                  How many young people left for permanent residence in other countries from Latvia? With regards to business, you basically have an offshore, and everything is cheap, the standard of living is small, then why don’t you buy something


                  There are no exact dates, but migration to the EU is not like migration from Russia (how many return back?). Often youth rides uchitsa or earn extra money. half a year there half a year back, etc. A few of these have left for absolutely. There is a lot of speculation on this subject, therefore I advise you to look very carefully at the statistics.


                  Quote: Alexander Romanov
                  I know the geography, but in the world there are only two heavyweight players — the United States and Russia, well, China is quietly pulling up.

                  The EU economy is 25% of global GDP. What about Russia? If 2% is unmistakable?

                  Even at the St. Petersburg Economic Forum, Russia showed itself to be the case - as one Chinese asked, you produce good destroyers, well, what else?
                  In addition to oil and gas, there is nothing similar.

                  So which player is Russia?

                  Quote: Alexander Romanov
                  So what are Latvia's interests in Afghanistan? I see only die for the interests of the United States, there is simply no other!



                  What are the interests of Germany and France? This is the general solidarity of the coalition. It is necessary to support the new Afghan government, since if the Taliban come back to the region, the situation will again be strongly destabilized.
                  And who are the Taliban? These are the ones that are fighting against schools and the construction of power plants ... In short, the Middle Ages and the grayness are unbridled!

                  Quote: Alexander Romanov
                  This is not Georgian or Russian data, this is a debriefing on the international scene. You want to accept, you want to not. The number of those killed will not change.


                  Maybe you're right
                  1. SergBrNord
                    SergBrNord 27 July 2013 22: 39 New
                    0
                    Quote: Namejs
                    A few of these have left for absolutely.

                    How to say ... if they find work - they will not return. So it goes.

                    Quote: Namejs
                    The EU economy is 25% of global GDP.

                    Invalid. The GDP of individual countries is taken into account.

                    Quote: Namejs
                    What are the interests of Germany and France? This is the general solidarity of the coalition. It is necessary to support the new Afghan government, since if the Taliban come back to the region, the situation will again be strongly destabilized.
                    And who are the Taliban? These are the ones that are fighting against schools and the construction of power plants ... In short, the Middle Ages and the grayness are unbridled!


                    And you do not destabilize.
                  2. Namejs
                    Namejs 28 July 2013 14: 46 New
                    0
                    Quote: SergBrNord
                    How to say ... if they find work - they will not return. So it goes.


                    Migration issues are relevant in all Eastern European countries. In any case, there is a situation when they return from earnings and begin to have their own here in their homeland.
                    Quote: SergBrNord
                    Invalid. The GDP of individual countries is taken into account.


                    why? The EU is already one big economy

                    In the case of the United States, we do not review each state separately.

                    Quote: SergBrNord
                    And you do not destabilize.


                    guarding Afghan schools? Of course not.
            2. Marek Rozny
              Marek Rozny 30 July 2013 17: 07 New
              0
              Quote: Namejs
              For some reason, no one from Latvia to Russia is unwilling — and the Russian business and entrepreneurs with great pleasure are moving to Latvia.

              In the early 2000s, my friend Andrei from Almaty was sent to work for a long time in Riga (director of a chain of stores). At first, I liked everything, I even thought about staying there, married a local Russian resident of Riga. But in the end, last year they moved back to Kazakhstan. According to them, real the standard of living in the KZ is higher than in Latvia, although there is much more corruption and corruption in Kazakhstan.
              His wife, a native of Riga, is completely delighted with her husband’s homeland and is determined to live here, because it’s better here.
              This is such a small household example.
              But now the example is more significant - I constantly meet with Baltic businessmen (especially Lithuanians) who come to make money in Kazakhstan, because they won’t earn a lot of money in their homeland.
              Well, and as far as I understand from their conversations, Latvians, Lithuanians and Estonians leave as soon as possible to work and live in other countries, because at home they are real. The truth is noted by the fact that ethnic Russians point blank do not want to go to their historical homeland, preferring to be non-citizens of Latvia than a citizen of Russia. At the same time, they laugh that all the real Balts will soon be in Western Europe as guest workers, and Ivanovs, Petrovs and Sidorovs will remain in their countries)))))
              1. Namejs
                Namejs 31 July 2013 00: 57 New
                0
                Quote: Marek Rozny
                This is such a small household example.
                But now the example is more significant - I constantly meet with Baltic businessmen (especially Lithuanians) who come to make money in Kazakhstan, because they won’t earn a lot of money in their homeland.

                Quote: Marek Rozny
                At the same time, they laugh that all the real Balts will soon be in Western Europe as guest workers, and Ivanovs, Petrovs and Sidorovs will remain in their countries)))))


                Well, with these migrant workers, too, is not so clear. There are no problems with moving around the EU, because these migrant workers often go to work for six months / year and return. There is a tendency to return those who have worked and lived in the same UK for several years in a row.

                The problem of the working age of migration is very relevant and at the moment, this issue is very meticulously studied.
  • Alez
    Alez 25 July 2013 07: 18 New
    11
    The united army of the Baltic states, with a war cry And we need it, keeping the sprats in our bosoms and firing wooden guns, will invade the territory of the Pytalovsky district in order to restore territorial integrity and the triumph of democracy, they will be covered by an entire An-2 piston aircraft from the air. Mechanized divisions on tanks and steam-powered infantry fighting vehicles will suppress pockets of resistance.
    1. mansur
      mansur 25 July 2013 09: 53 New
      +2
      Quote: Alez
      United Army of the Baltic States,

      Estonia did not support the idea of ​​creating a unified Baltic army, expressed by the President of Latvia Andris Berzins.

      According to Estonian Defense Minister Urmas Reinsalau, each of the Baltic states should independently develop their armed forces, "which does not hinder the implementation of NATO's defense plans."

      He also noted that defense spending in his country is significantly higher than in Latvia and Lithuania, mentioning the need to defend against Russia, "which constantly conducts reconnaissance flights near NATO airspace, and also violated Estonian air borders."
      1. Wedmak
        Wedmak 25 July 2013 10: 03 New
        +6
        remembering the need to defend against Russia

        I wonder what he was going to defend himself. God forbid our rocket launchers sneeze on the remote ... From Estonia, only the field will remain.
        1. Dober
          Dober 25 July 2013 11: 07 New
          +6
          Quote: Wedmak
          our rockets on the remote sneeze ...

          Why sneeze ... Then you have to wipe the snot.
          If someone else has to LAUNCH the rocket, then on these "Borzynsha" it is enough to simply DROP. Bring to the border, install, load with salt or sand and drop from the kick.
          The explosion will carry everyone to Greenland ...

          But seriously, according to friends from there, they themselves laugh at the dodging of their politicians no less than us. And what can they do ...
    2. Andy
      Andy 25 July 2013 10: 36 New
      0
      to be honest, I'm tired of hearing about wooden automata from adults (adults?). yes, the equipment in these "armies" is a laughing matter, but ... they shouldn't hold the defense or break through the enemy's positions (guess three times who the enemy is). all simple boats, armored personnel carriers, targets in case of a mess. although they are rusty and without motors, but just be sure this one starts and fires. which means you will have to destroy, the consumption of ammunition, the loss of time from the "enemy". during this time machine guns and grenade launchers you can hide in the woods in caches - hello guerrilla tactics. remind how it was in Chechnya? during the day - peaceful, at night - ... or will we cut everyone's throats by cleaning up the area? the process of defeating such an army will take hours, but the suppression of partisans ...
      this is the role of the Baltic countries in NATO and whatever they said about partnership with Russia, the Cold War is not over
      1. Wedmak
        Wedmak 25 July 2013 10: 58 New
        +5
        Now, if they really could partisan or at least somehow hamper the movements of a potential enemy. Something I did not hear about the brave Lithuanian / Estonian / Latvian partisans in the Second World War. Moreover, about their exploits in defense of their homeland.
        All they can do is to foul. And then, basically barking from behind the stronger NATO.
        1. Natalia
          Natalia 25 July 2013 11: 05 New
          +5
          Crap, that's all. If the Balts need to unite against anyone, then this is against the Geyropei countries. Since it is still useless to unite against Russia, no matter what they do, no matter how they turn their guts, but all one, Russia will be swept away in any situation.

          But although I understand them, yes, they are reluctant to give in to decadent moods, and probably for this reason the Balts decided to feel no less than Israel.
          1. Wedmak
            Wedmak 25 July 2013 11: 35 New
            +3
            They are? Against Europe ?? What are you ??? These are their strategic partners (in every sense).
            I just don’t understand one thing, where are these three countries moving, what is their course and what is all this mouse fuss about? They had an excellent industry, including a very large seafood industry. Agriculture. But as they gained independence, a free circus with drunk clowns appeared. I’m not talking about Russophobic moods.
        2. Andy
          Andy 25 July 2013 11: 38 New
          +1
          Let me remind you of the "forest brothers". They began in 1941, and operated until the 50s. the latter were caught only either in the late 90s or even in the 2000s. Voitka brothers if interested. how in a joke, at night two come out of the forest and sneak to the extreme hut. knock, grandma, there are Germans in the village? -What Germans! The war ended 50 years ago!
    3. Gari
      Gari 25 July 2013 12: 10 New
      +5
      Quote: Alez
      United Army of the Baltic States
      1. p-159
        p-159 25 July 2013 22: 34 New
        +1
        fierce boys
      2. Namejs
        Namejs 27 July 2013 01: 23 New
        +1
        these Estonians in the photo are not military. Toist is simply a militia (active reserve of the army. The same as the national guard in the states)

        It's just that they are so well equipped and dressed that they create the impression that this is a military personnel. As an insignia of the National Guard is a white bandage on the left sleeve.

        You can certainly smiyatsa. But in Russia, they still can’t provide 100% of the uniform uniforms for even regular military personnel. And in Estonia, the decrepit reservist himself wiggled much better.


        I apologize for grammar mistakes
        1. Gari
          Gari 27 July 2013 01: 40 New
          0
          Quote: Namejs
          I apologize for grammar mistakes

          When you write KDWin prompts mistakes, a red line brother jan
        2. Alexander Romanov
          Alexander Romanov 27 July 2013 06: 38 New
          0
          Quote: Namejs
          (active reserve army

          Apparently and passive you also have laughing
          Quote: Namejs
          And in Estonia, the decrepit reservist himself wiggled much better.

          The main criterion for you is beautifully dressed soldiers. Latvia is invincible, keep it up good
          1. Namejs
            Namejs 27 July 2013 11: 48 New
            0
            Active reserve is the National Guard (NG). NGs are those who in their free time are engaged in upgrades to combat skills.
            For example, in Sweden, such Ngvardeytsi know what to do at hour x. Who should I go to and where should I put it?

            In Russia, such an active reserve, in principle, no
            Quote: Alexander Romanov
            Apparently passive, you also eat



            Quote: Alexander Romanov
            The main criterion for you is beautifully dressed soldiers. Latvia is invincible, keep it up


            By the way, I didn’t talk.
            The only explanation is that the Latvian soldier is better. Although the per capita GDP in Latvia per capita is almost non-Russian. So the matter is in relation.

            Already I can’t remember and alas I can’t name the name of that general. Kotorii claimed that spending $ 200 for a pair of batins for one soldier is unnecessary.
            Here is the relationship of a hanging officer to an ordinary soldier
            1. Alexander Romanov
              Alexander Romanov 27 July 2013 12: 16 New
              +1
              Quote: Namejs
              In Russia, such an active reserve, in principle, no

              Oh really??? In Russia, if necessary, everyone will stand as one. It has always been and will be so. Only some of the golden youth measure life by money, but for them, fine baht go
              Quote: Namejs
              The only explanation is that the Latvian soldier is better.

              But how much is needed to ensure your regiment, oh sorry, I wanted to say the army lol In general, we spend more on the army than your GDP.
              Quote: Namejs
              The only explanation is that the Latvian soldier is better

              Hitler thought so too, and so did Saka
              Quote: Namejs
              . Kotorii claimed that spending $ 200 for a pair of batins for one soldier is unnecessary

              So then there was a time that thanks to your masters we became beggars. Now the uniform costs more than 3 thousand dollars for a soldier
              1. Namejs
                Namejs 27 July 2013 14: 24 New
                0
                Quote: Alexander Romanov
                Oh really??? In Russia, if necessary, everyone will stand as one. It has always been and will be so. Only some of the golden youth measure life by money, but for them, fine baht go


                Well these are all emotions. Yes, many will defend the interest of the state, but what is the use of it? If he did not serve in military service in any special forces or elite contamination, then he plainly doesn’t remember anything and is not able to. What does the term conservative usual do or in the so-called linear part (if there are any)? makes cantics on snowdrifts? peeled potatoes? How much he shoots - 10-20 patrons per year?

                Recently I read an article in a Norwegian newspaper on West 2009 exercises. From the information received, Wikileeks clearly indicated problems with equipment, the command and control of the troops, and also the collegial relations between the military personnel.

                I am afraid that in Russia there are few sincere patriots like you.

                Quote: Alexander Romanov
                But how much is needed to ensure your regiment, oh sorry I wanted to say the army But in general, we spend more on the army than your GDP.


                Well, if so then the question is where the money is. I skolko look at the pictures on the Internet or the soldiers often go differently form- barracks of descent. and in many toletes there is not even a closet (!)

                How is it that such a country can relate to its own soldiers? I believe that this is just a neglect of the ordinary Russian soldier ..

                Well, he did not lose because his soldiers were worse, but because he himself made gross mistakes. The German soldier well demonstrated his professionalism.

                Quote: Alexander Romanov
                So then there was a time that thanks to your masters we became beggars. Now the uniform costs more than 3 thousand dollars for a soldier


                And I did not know that Latvia has owners. I think that most of this is not even suspected, including the head of government. ;)

                I'm afraid it is not the economic situation that is to blame, but the rather high-profile corruption and neglect of ordinary soldiers.
                1. Alexander Romanov
                  Alexander Romanov 27 July 2013 15: 03 New
                  0
                  Quote: Namejs
                  Well these are all emotions. Yes, many will defend the interest of the state, but what is the use of it?

                  Sense-flag over the Reichstag!
                  Quote: Namejs
                  ? makes cantics on snowdrifts? peeled potatoes? How much he shoots - 10-20 patrons per year?

                  Something you stuck in the 90s. Now is the year 2013.
                  Quote: Namejs
                  Recently read a Norwegian newspaper article on exercises

                  Very reliable source laughing
                  Quote: Namejs
                  Well if so then the question is where do the money go

                  On the purchase of new aircraft, nuclear missiles, air defense systems, submarines, ships, infantry fighting vehicles, tanks and even the hell knows what. About a thousand buoyed cars say nothing.
                  Quote: Namejs
                  that his soldiers were worse, but because he himself made gross mistakes.

                  Do not remember who said, NEVER fight with RUSSIA!
                  Quote: Namejs
                  The German soldier well demonstrated his professionalism.

                  Burning thousands of villages along with the inhabitants, killing millions of people in the end camps. By the way, your "veterans" of the SS took part in this !!!
                  Quote: Namejs

                  And I did not know that Latvia has owners. I think that most of this is not even suspected, including the head of government. ;)

                  The USA is fighting for your interests, and you are for the interests of the United States, so who is the boss? Yours go to Washington to bow and give honor to their generals, and not vice versa!
                  1. Namejs
                    Namejs 27 July 2013 16: 18 New
                    0
                    Alas, I can’t take part in the discussion today. But I will try to answer all the questions tomorrow.

                    Thank you for your understanding and warmth to everyone who talked doubtful. I guess my grammar is terrible

                    Have a good day!
                  2. Namejs
                    Namejs 28 July 2013 22: 29 New
                    0
                    Quote: Alexander Romanov
                    Sense-flag over the Reichstag!



                    You are an optimist.

                    Although I didn’t place the Russians, I would stop seeing the enemy in the west and would look to the east. Skolko at the moment in the Far East of the Chinese? And what is the relation to the Russians?

                    the Chinese are not Europeans .. although you know me better.
                    Quote: Alexander Romanov
                    Something you stuck in the 90s. Now is the year 2013.



                    I once spoke to people who served two years ago in the RF Armed Forces. He argued that they were only dealing with nonsense (they alarmed the site with a crowbar. Of course, this is exaggeration, but the meaning is this)
                    Quote: Namejs
                    Very reliable source



                    according to your material wikileeks is this continuous nonsense? I don’t see the reason because the doubts in the Norwegian media.
                    Quote: Alexander Romanov
                    On the purchase of new aircraft, nuclear missiles, air defense systems, submarines, ships, infantry fighting vehicles, tanks and even the hell knows what. About a thousand buoyed cars say nothing.



                    But alas, there is such a thing as corruption. rollback system, etc. can be very negative on the quality of weapons

                    Quote: Alexander Romanov
                    Do not remember who said, NEVER fight with RUSSIA!

                    I can assure that Latvia definitely doesn’t want it. But there is no certainty that Russia itself does not want this. As I see a lot of people say that Latvia must be captured and prsoedinit to Russia. Smells of aggression

                    Quote: Alexander Romanov
                    Burning thousands of villages along with the inhabitants, killing millions of people in the end camps. By the way, your "veterans" of the SS took part in this !!!

                    I would recommend honoring the protocols and decisions of the Nuremberg Tribunal. It clearly states that the Latvian and Estonian legions are not criminals. The fact that they were under (not even under) the SS is still no reason. The identity of those who got dirty is the police battalions in Belarus. only at the end of the war they were enrolled in the legion. But nobody honors them
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  • omsbon
    omsbon 25 July 2013 07: 27 New
    +8
    Three pugs will bark loudly at the elephant!
    Enchanting!
    1. Natalia
      Natalia 25 July 2013 16: 07 New
      +7
      Quote: omsbon
      Three pugs will bark loudly at the elephant!

      .... to the bear
      1. JackTheRipper
        JackTheRipper 25 July 2013 17: 15 New
        +1
        It is scary that they entered the role of these very "mosecs" ...
  • Wedmak
    Wedmak 25 July 2013 07: 38 New
    +9
    And where are the tanks delhi ?? There was one and he was already sleeping .. if? laughing
  • cobalt
    cobalt 25 July 2013 07: 46 New
    +7
    Their tank is hidden in a secret barn, this is their strategic weapon.
  • treskoed
    treskoed 25 July 2013 07: 58 New
    +8
    The world is about to create a new military bloc! Russia should prepare for the sudden invasion of cyclists!
    1. bomg.77
      bomg.77 25 July 2013 09: 50 New
      +6
      Zae ** la this tribaltika! What are you picking with your armies, live quietly, anyway, any of your neighbor will give you a cumpole in case of war!
  • Suhov
    Suhov 25 July 2013 07: 59 New
    +7
    Balts are funny guys!
    Recently I watched the parade of one of these great countries on record.
    Hearing resounded the following:
    If we have equipment on Red Square - movesthen they rolls. wassat
    Moreover, it rolls not over the area, but over asphalt!wassat
    They kicked the car — it rolled, the parade — took place.
    Although, perhaps, this is the translation cost ...
    Also, the commentator was worried about the fact that there was no tank at the parade, because it was given to colleagues for a while.
    Those or the date was more round or trite wanted to cut money from partners.
    1. Dober
      Dober 25 July 2013 10: 35 New
      +6
      Quote: Sukhov
      Recently I watched the parade of one of these great countries on record.

      And why in the past tense.
      This should be watched daily or regularly. Adrenaline is released, the level of testosterone rises.
      1. Constantine
        Constantine 25 July 2013 10: 41 New
        +1
        Quote: Dober
        Quote: Sukhov
        Recently I watched the parade of one of these great countries on record.
        And why in the past tense.
        This should be watched daily or regularly. Adrenaline is released, the level of testosterone rises.


        Dada, I just thought about this video, how is it! Here! laughing
      2. Alez
        Alez 25 July 2013 10: 48 New
        +6
        So, at the end of the video, our tourists drove jets in jeeps, and the Latvians blindly used them, passing them off as the Latvian Navy. The error came out.
        1. Dober
          Dober 25 July 2013 11: 01 New
          +5
          Quote: Alez
          our tourists in jeeps drove a jet ski

          You are clearly wrong. It was said in Russian "This is a powerful technique", "The intruder will not leave ..."
          There are two more "combat garbage trucks" painted in camouflage, two black "Mers" with four coils of cable, two boats, two mortars, which are carefully held by soldiers (or hold on to them themselves) and much more "powerful" and "mighty" ...
          Tremble Russia !!! Baldays will come to you! laughing
      3. Ulysses
        Ulysses 25 July 2013 11: 54 New
        +5
        "The Estonian army is so compact that it can hold military parades in side streets."

        Comments off screen are funny.
        "They seem to drive in a circle" laughing
        1. Dober
          Dober 25 July 2013 12: 45 New
          +3
          Quote: Ulysses
          the army is so compact that it can hold military parades in the alleys

          And the Latvian "army" is so "invisible" that the whole thing fits on a small "school" square
          1. Namejs
            Namejs 27 July 2013 02: 40 New
            0


            Everyday life of the Armed Forces of Latvia
            I ask you to draw attention to the fact that the ground forces of Latvia consist of only one brigade.
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        3. p-159
          p-159 25 July 2013 23: 42 New
          0
          hail division or tornado battery on them
          1. Namejs
            Namejs 27 July 2013 02: 44 New
            +1
            why? what's the point?
            1. studentmati
              studentmati 27 July 2013 02: 51 New
              0
              I agree with you! Strength is not in arms ...
            2. Alexander Romanov
              Alexander Romanov 27 July 2013 06: 40 New
              0
              Quote: p-159
              hail division or tornado battery on them

              Quote: Namejs
              why? what's the point?

              And the truth is why, what is the point, they themselves will surrender in 15 minutes.
      4. p-159
        p-159 25 July 2013 22: 51 New
        0
        yourself not funny?
        1. Dober
          Dober 26 July 2013 01: 30 New
          0
          Quote: p-159
          yourself not funny?

          But do not you understand?
          Compare with the raid on the Jews about their bombing of TOTAL and ALL.
          "Baldea" - BURNED RUSSIAN PROVINCE !!!
          Just give me time, and cg. all crawl on all fours to the "elder brother" and the brother will accept, despite your filthiness ...
          And we will jointly build factories for you such as "Norma", "Radiotecnica", "Rafik" ...
          Just now, do not guess too much ...
          ..........................
          Silence for now ...........
          1. Namejs
            Namejs 27 July 2013 02: 51 New
            0
            Well, yes, yes ... It sounds very imperial ..

            And why do you need the Baltic States if the Baltic States themselves are unwilling?

            Many factories like VEF already existed before the annexation of Latvia ... And even if Latvia in the USSR’s GDP gave 1.2% and from the USSR it received only 0.7% of GDP .. Without the USSR, it would have lived better. at the end of the Canzians, Latvia was gaining a very large pace of development in 1918-1940.

            Why not be silent? about repression and terrible horror is so easy to forget?

            I apologize for the mistakes
            1. Alexander Romanov
              Alexander Romanov 27 July 2013 06: 43 New
              0
              Quote: Namejs

              Many plants like VEF already existed before the annexation of Latvia.

              As for annexation, we bought the Baltic states from Sweden and Peter 1 did it, so the forest with our annexation hi
              Quote: Namejs
              Why not be silent? about repression and terrible horror is so easy to forget?

              Repression, Siberia, Far East, something I have not seen here is not one Baltic. Although yes, those who were quoted in quotation marks fought on the side of Hitler in the SS, you are now distributing medals to them.
              1. Namejs
                Namejs 27 July 2013 12: 21 New
                0
                Quote: Alexander Romanov
                As for annexation, we bought the Baltic states from Sweden and Peter 1 did it, so the forest with our annexation


                This is no longer relevant because

                1. As the RSFSR obrozovalsa that refused to be the legal heir to tsarist Russia. Which means that such facts are inappropriate in principle.

                2. The official policy of the RSFSR has always maintained that it is for the self-determination of the people (what we have done and the Latvians have decided that we want to live in independent Latvia)

                3. The most important thing is that in the 1920 peace treaty of August 11 between the Republic of Latvia and the RSFSR, the Soviet side clearly declared that forever (literal translation) renounces any claim to the Latvian territory and the sovereignty of the people of Latvia.
                1. Alexander Romanov
                  Alexander Romanov 27 July 2013 14: 02 New
                  0
                  Quote: Namejs
                  . Which means that such facts are inappropriate in principle.

                  It’s always a fact and believe me, Latvia and everyone else will be part of Russia very soon.
                  Quote: Namejs
                  3. The most important thing is that in the 1920 peace treaty of August 11 between the Republic of Latvia and the RSFSR, the Soviet side clearly declared that forever (literal translation) renounces any claim to the Latvian territory and the sovereignty of the people of Latvia.

                  Yeah wink
                  1. Namejs
                    Namejs 27 July 2013 15: 34 New
                    0
                    Then do you think that Russia should not abide by the principles of international law and the observance of a treaty if this is in the interest of expansion?

                    Then the principle of self-determination of kotorias is so earnestly defended by Russia in South Ossetia and in Abkhazia this is one thing. But the self-determination of the Latvian people has no significance if Russia wants to annex again?

                    So these are double standards - you sink to all kinds of Americans and others.
                    And many are so eager to boast that the Russian people are the people of the God-bearers and an example to follow in moral matters ...


                    Quote: Alexander Romanov
                    Yeah

                    Well, if you have such an attitude to the agreements that you yourself signed, then you are very doubtful partners in international relations.
                    1. Alexander Romanov
                      Alexander Romanov 27 July 2013 15: 53 New
                      0
                      Quote: Namejs
                      Then do you think that Russia should not abide by the principles of international law and the observance of a treaty if this is in the interest of expansion?

                      The United States does not care about them, but are we worse?
                      Quote: Namejs
                      But the self-determination of the Latvian people has no significance if Russia wants to annex again?

                      Uh, come yourself, believe me it will be so!
                      Quote: Namejs
                      So these are double standards - you sink to all kinds of Americans and others.

                      Ha, cool, then we go down to the level of your allies THANKSlaughing
                      Quote: Namejs
                      Well, if you have such an attitude to the agreements that you yourself signed, then you are very doubtful partners in international relations.

                      What is ONE obligation that Russia has not fulfilled? Be kind wink
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  • knn54
    knn54 25 July 2013 08: 07 New
    +5
    Among the patients, "mental hospitals" Napoleons out of competition.
  • studentmati
    studentmati 25 July 2013 08: 13 New
    +3
    Latvia wants to unite the three Baltic armies

    A very strange statement ???
  • MRomanovich
    MRomanovich 25 July 2013 08: 45 New
    +2
    Apparently, the Latvian president recalled the parable about how separate twigs break with a flick of the wrist, and how hard it is to break a sheaf, connected from these twigs

    oh, and a three-pronged bundle will be strong
  • vitek1233
    vitek1233 25 July 2013 08: 49 New
    +3
    great army lol
  • igordok
    igordok 25 July 2013 08: 52 New
    +4
    They hate each other. The only thing that unites them is even greater hatred of a strong Russia. There are few people in the Baltic who speak the three Baltic languages. The funny thing is that they will communicate with each other in Russian or possibly in English.
    1. Dober
      Dober 25 July 2013 11: 30 New
      +6
      Quote: igordok
      They hate each other. The only thing that unites them is even greater hatred of a strong Russia.

      You probably mean their politicians. But at the level of domestic relations, everything is absolutely wrong. From us, through three houses, a Latvian family lives. Often passing Andris stops to chat. Together we laugh at the antics of them and Russian political enterprises. And an Estonian family comes to him from a neighboring village.
      They will be filled with beer or vodka and let's shout songs in RUSSIAN. Policemen don't find fault. We got used to it. They know that they are not violent, they will not go for an "addition to selmag". So everything is fine in terms of "friendship of peoples".
      Once I asked Andris "Would you go to Russia for permanent residence?" He replied: "Why not, if only not to Siberia (cold) and not to Astrakhan (hot). Otherwise, simply, everywhere people live. And there is no" language barrier. "
      I'm thinking. Let everyone move. Anything is better than Asians. These "Lezgin" will not. And take away the phones.
      Well, the maximum amount of gasoline will be "loosened up", and then not all, but especially "gifted" ... laughing
      1. igordok
        igordok 25 July 2013 13: 06 New
        +1
        But at the everyday level, I just came across that a Latvian (a hard worker) hates a Lithuanian, especially an Estonian more than Russians (ordinary people, not superiors). Lithuanian and Estonian are not particularly at odds, not neighbors after all.
        There is the Latvian city of Valka, part of which Estonia annexed and partly named Valga. The border is a stream. Latvians, Estonians, Russians, Ukrainians live in Valka and Valga. At the political level, at one time there were (maybe remained) problems. And in the household, neighbors help each other, but they can fill their faces.
        They have a problem with gasoline, transport that goes to Russia and back has "non-standard" gas tanks.
  • bistrov.
    bistrov. 25 July 2013 09: 28 New
    +3
    This Berzins, as soon as he put on his "Napoleon" hat, immediately imagined himself to be Napoleon. What is there to combine? The inflatable boats they carry in their parades?
  • ia-ai00
    ia-ai00 25 July 2013 09: 34 New
    +4
    ... As they say, one mortar is good, two are better, and three is the united Baltic army ...

    I had fun from the heart, and from the article and from the comments!
  • The gentleman
    The gentleman 25 July 2013 09: 35 New
    +2
    I don’t understand such countries. They are, in general, mercenaries for other countries, strong countries, which will continue to indicate where to send young soldiers. Besides, what will it give them? Another mini alliance within a large alliance? Or is it an attempt to show the whole " gayrope "that they are" real guys "? while it seems to me that the puppets have chosen the time, what to say, that they have the right to speak, while there are serious processes in other countries. or maybe an attempt to move the" think tank "to the Baltic States
  • Lopatov
    Lopatov 25 July 2013 09: 39 New
    +5
    Cool. The largest army of the Lithuanians. However, Latvians want to unite. It seems that they have long since separated, but the desire to get everything for free is indestructible.
    1. Dober
      Dober 25 July 2013 11: 12 New
      +4
      NATO will never stand up for the Baltic states, and the deal will end. Agricultural republics. Even the troops do not need to be brought in, just not for assassination, but for preaching, to charge the Mace with salt, enough for all this Baltic states is enough.
      Such "members" of NATO are needed only for contributions (you have to pay for membership) and the legal sale of obsolete and dilapidated weapons and military equipment by larger participants. It's all about money, not security.
      Little NATO members are no fools either. The army in such countries is needed not for defense, but for the internal order, power requires power. There can be no talk of any defensive function of such tiny armies. Where to get weapons: building factories or buying modern ones is expensive. And the second-hand NATO is quite suitable for domestic tasks and cheap. I’m not and I’m not scoffing, it’s an ordinary economy, no militarism and conspiracy theories, just grandmas.
      1. Gari
        Gari 25 July 2013 12: 30 New
        +3
        Quote: Dober
        The army in such countries is needed not for defense, but for the internal order, power requires power.

        Why do they need an army?
        Against whom or from whom?
        In the West, so there NATO is for them like their own
        In the south of Belarus, they are not going to fight with Belarus so much, and they themselves do not seriously know that the Belarusian army will stick them and will not notice them at least together, even separately, and why did they fuck Old Man
        Well, in the East - Russia, and there the Western Military District - 2,5 thousand formations and military units with a total number of more than 400 thousand military personnel.
        With a breeze and without stopping will pass to the coast of the Baltic
        1. Dober
          Dober 25 July 2013 13: 02 New
          +2
          Quote: Gari
          Why do they need an army?
          Against whom or from whom?

          Well, of course! What is there to talk about ... So, slightly grasp their "hands-warriors" and not over people.
          And what about NATO ... For example, here, in "Bundasia", the national pride of the Germans has not yet been destroyed. They really want their "personal" army. And they are ready to equip it with the most modern weapons and equipment, and not to merge EVERYTHING and EVERYTHING in a row. "Easterners" so they generally dream of an alliance with the countries of the "Warsaw Pact", but not with the Baldeans or Hollands. And the pragmatic "Westerners" want to "carry their marks" for the defense of Germany, and not the murky operations of the alliance.
          But who will allow them ...
          It's a shame for the nation. Hardworking, adequate people ... Intimidated in something ...
          Eh hehe ...
          1. Gari
            Gari 25 July 2013 14: 32 New
            +1
            Quote: Dober
            For example, here, in "Bundasia", the national pride of the Germans has not yet been destroyed. They really want their "personal" army. And they are ready to equip it with the most modern weapons and equipment, and not merge EVERYTHING and EVERYTHING

            Good afternoon I read and heard about this, all Germans are Germans, although they’re not the same
            but here
            Quote: Dober
            "Easterners" so they generally dream of an alliance with the countries of the "Warsaw Pact", but not with the Baldeans or Hollands

            This is interesting, but you can in more detail.
            So many years with us have not passed unnoticed?
            1. Dober
              Dober 25 July 2013 15: 19 New
              +5
              Quote: Gari
              good afternoon
              This is interesting, but you can in more detail.

              You and your loved ones do not get sick!
              I'll clarify right away. My opinion was formed from the so-called. "kitchen" conversations with ordinary Germans who work, bring up children, wander about europia and rarely talk about politics. After all, we are very different from them in this.
              But DDR is often remembered with warmth and nostalgia. We are about the USSR. Hence the talk of a "Warsaw Pact" emerges. They are sure that then they had an ARMY, and now something like the MILITARY POLICE, closer to the special forces. By the way, the majority of privates and sergeants have less salaries than the same "traffic policemen". They are very proud of their technique. If we say that many German machines are still working in Russia, they just blow up like bubbles and smirk haughtily. In the sense - "and they also say that we will not survive without the European Union." Time has not passed unnoticed, this is unambiguous. Itself, when communication begins with someone, I show the badges and pennants sent to me in the 80s from the GDR by correspondence with their "blue-tailed pioneers", they immediately climb up to hug, make noise like children and ... get sports olympics with emblems out of the cupboards USSR and GDR. Graduation 80 for the Moscow Olympics. They remember well. Nigrs are not particularly fond of, Caucasians are treated with caution (they will not be friends, in the full sense of the word) - the costs of propaganda. Turks are often hated, but feared Where I live, in a village 28 km away. from a big city people are friendlier, more friendly, in the city they are different. I (my wife, to be more precise) "planted" the locals on pickled cucumbers and squash caviar. To drink, especially "for a freebie" their "lip is not stupid - just pour it. But at first they drink it kind of strange. Half a glass or two sips. Immediately ... they drink beer !!! From here soon" Russian and German-brothers forever ".
              Well, what I'm telling - everything is the same as ours ...

              Such a moment recently. We are friends with the neighbors. About my age. Told them about supplies under. boats to Israel (they themselves would hardly be interested), the site showed, translated some comments. For those, as many as nodules shook, the mane rose like wolves. Screaming -
              “And what do we have to do with it? My grandfather was still young in that war, he worked as a loader in the port, and my great-grandfather was an invalid who was not conscripted. And now my father, I, my children in the future paid and will pay some reparations. For what? and build boats on our taxes ??? And give ... "
              I thought they would blow me the veranda.
              In general, their vital interests and ours are somewhat different. Here is a German family gathering with us in August on Solovki. We’ll work in the monastery, and they will look ... You think what?
              ..... Stalin's concentration camp with machine-gun nests on the belfries, gloomy cells of monks used as shooting chambers ... yes fool
              Victims of Solzhenitsyn ravings. We will dissuade ...
              1. Gari
                Gari 25 July 2013 17: 47 New
                +1
                Thanks for the info and it was nice to meet you
    2. Tersky
      Tersky 25 July 2013 21: 56 New
      +2
      Quote: Spade
      Cool.

      hi ! And very-
      Lithuanian Armed Forces; 5850
      Latvian Armed Forces: 5
      Estonian Armed Forces: 5
      laughing scraped into two divisions (modeled on 2008) ...
  • Middle-brother
    Middle-brother 25 July 2013 09: 45 New
    11
    Our Onishchenko alone will be able to defeat all three armies by introducing a ban on sprats laughing
    1. Muadipus
      Muadipus 25 July 2013 12: 01 New
      +5
      Onishchenko is cool! Onishchenko is a secret development of the KGB. He will be worse than Nuclear weapons))))
      1. Dober
        Dober 25 July 2013 13: 09 New
        +4
        Quote: Muadipus
        Onishchenko is cool

        That's who the deputy chief of the general staff. Many "military budgets" are simply smashed against his hat with a cross.
        Onishchenko - OUR PEACEFUL ATOM !!!
  • Djozz
    Djozz 25 July 2013 09: 55 New
    +6
    School countries, puppet army, e-th president! Voosche "Small bug, but smelly." In them, an inferiority complex coexists with "great-power" chauvinism. This, like a kid who instigated a fight of punks, barked into the bushes.
    1. Ulysses
      Ulysses 25 July 2013 12: 13 New
      +2
      "We are not afraid of Russia, but we were not even asked."
      1. ia-ai00
        ia-ai00 25 July 2013 21: 48 New
        +2
        Thanks for the song, the whole family laughed!
  • Old warrant officer
    Old warrant officer 25 July 2013 10: 00 New
    0
    If we consider the armies of these three countries as three fingers, then when combined we get a famous figure!
  • Standard Oil
    Standard Oil 25 July 2013 10: 08 New
    +5
    I have already said that the Balts will not let us get bored. The Americans probably got bored too, they dialed the first number they got, and then the president of Latvia, well, they told him they say you get a salary? You get some fun for us to laugh It was the Balts and they are trying. Some English comedian said that the main skill in his business was to joke with a serious look, it’s great for Mr. President, he’ll have something to earn after the resignation.
  • Djozz
    Djozz 25 July 2013 10: 38 New
    +1
    "Useful IDIOTY" for the USA.
  • Muadipus
    Muadipus 25 July 2013 10: 44 New
    +4
    The whole Baltic is a continuous buffer zone, it’s time to put up with it, since they have been used as a passage yard for so many centuries. But the army does not need a buffer zone, the best and most effective way is to plant a minefield. Won Poland has already concluded www.topwar.ru/30853-polsha-kupila-44-sapernyh-mashiny.html
    And even more seriously - the size of course matters, but this is not the main thing. There are many small nations in the world, but they have enough self-esteem and pride to stoop to "tying a mischievous dog". Behave with dignity, respect your neighbors and be friends with them. There is an old Ukrainian saying "An affectionate child of two queens sucks"
    1. Djozz
      Djozz 25 July 2013 11: 18 New
      +4
      Well, they cannot do otherwise than a toad in a swamp bursting with narcissism and a desire to be considered full-fledged states. As the donkey said, when I saw the Zaporozhets car, if it is a car, then I am a horse!
  • Constantine
    Constantine 25 July 2013 10: 46 New
    +4
    Interestingly, have the Latvians already got hold of chevrons with a swastika and German helmets with greatcoats for the army? Or they want to be an SS corps, and the rest are ordinary soldiers of the "Baltmacht".

    The same Lithuanians will not understand them, with a high degree of probability, because in Lithuania fascism did not enter, and Lithuanians most likely will not tolerate the arrogance of weaker, militarily, Latvians. Do not forget that the Russian population of Lithuania does not have problems with citizenship, as in Latvia, and therefore there is a great chance that Russian blood guys will serve next to the Natsiks, who serve because of money and high unemployment. This is already dangerous. For Natsik, naturally wink

    In general, not well-thought-out decisions are made by the US ambassador to Latvia ... Not well-thought-out.
    1. Muadipus
      Muadipus 25 July 2013 16: 38 New
      +2
      the rest are ordinary soldiers of the "Baltmacht".
      ))))))) I would say "BoltnaHt"
  • Alexandr0id
    Alexandr0id 25 July 2013 10: 54 New
    +6
    why do they need an army at all? would spend money on something more reasonable, why invest in useless.
    1. Djozz
      Djozz 25 July 2013 11: 31 New
      +1
      The brains are not the same, one thought is tormenting, we are inferior states, what kind of creative is it.
  • tilovaykrisa
    tilovaykrisa 25 July 2013 11: 08 New
    +2
    Well, it’s one thing to punitive detachments against the civilian population to form a completely different full-fledged army, other costs and resources are needed here, they will have enough punishers, they have the benefit and experience.
  • lewerlin53rus
    lewerlin53rus 25 July 2013 11: 27 New
    +1
    I’m tired of apparently driving one tank back and forth and paying rent to each other. It will be common.
    1. Namejs
      Namejs 27 July 2013 01: 16 New
      0
      So by the way, neither Lithuania nor Estonia has tanks. Latvia does not have them in service either. Latvia has only a few T 55-22 and they are protected as a textbook only.

      Sorry for grammar mistakes
      1. Alexander Romanov
        Alexander Romanov 27 July 2013 06: 44 New
        0
        Quote: Namejs
        So by the way, neither Lithuania nor Estonia has tanks.

        Yes, you have nothing at all
        1. Namejs
          Namejs 27 July 2013 14: 31 New
          0
          Well, I'm sorry- Latvia is not Russia and not France, which can allow a larger army with all kinds of troops.
          And I already spoke about what we have and what the CSTO soldiers do not have.

          And speaking of armaments, to the extent possible, we adopt modern weapons. So the last major purchase of the lot was the ATGM Spike
          1. Sasha1273
            Sasha1273 27 July 2013 14: 39 New
            +2
            There is no point in uniting 3 pioneers against a landing platoon. I am not a supporter of the reconstruction of the USSR in the form in which it was, but it would be possible to create a type of CSTO, a union state. Of course, if you do not have in terms of the ideas of Mrs. Albright about justice in Siberia.
  • Ulysses
    Ulysses 25 July 2013 11: 47 New
    +2
    The solution is prompted by the logic of events.
    Young growth has long been all over the hill.
    And so, by common efforts one full-blooded battalion, you look and scratch. repeat
  • smiths xnumx
    smiths xnumx 25 July 2013 13: 07 New
    +3
    Of course, we can have fun laughing at the fighting efficiency of the armies of the Limitrophs, but in general and in general:
    Latvia: the strength of the Armed Forces is 4763 people plus 10642 militias. Armament, ground forces: 3 T-55 tanks (one of which they leased to Estonians), Swedish Bv-206 all-terrain vehicles, American Hummers, Czech 100-mm field guns, ours and Swedish 120-mm mortars; Swedish MANPADS RBS-70; PTS: Israeli and Swedish ATGM "Spike" and RBS-56, Swedish AT-4 and "Karl Gustav" grenade launchers; Air Force: 2 An-2, 1 L-410, 4 Mi-8MTV; Navy: 1 former Norwegian minelayer , 5 former Dutch minesweepers "Tripartit", 7 patrol boats (2 of which are former Norwegian RCA, no launchers that can be installed)
    Lithuania: the number of VS-14 people, plus 500 militias. Armament, ground forces: 4800 American M-210 armored personnel carriers, 113 BTR-20PB, 60 MT-LB, 10 BRDM-10, 2 Hummers, 200 Land Rovers, Artillery: 288 42-mm self-propelled mortars based on M-120, 113 54-mm American M-105 howitzers, 101 67-mm mortars, 120-mm mortars PTS: American ATGM "Javelin", Swedish BO Pvpj 60, Swedish RPG AT-1110 and "Karl" Gustav. Anti-aircraft weapons Swedish 4-mm cannon L-40 (in reserve), Swedish and American RBS-70 and Stinger MANPADS. Air Force: 70 UBS L-1ZA, 39 transport workers (8 S-3 "Spartan", 27 An-3, 2 L-2), 410 trainers, including 5 L-2, 39 Mi-9. Navy: 8 former Norwegian minelayer, 1 minesweepers (3 English, 2 German), 1 patrol boats (4 Danish, 3 Norwegian), former RCA without launchers, which can also be easily installed. Moreover, the 1 former Danish "Fluvevisken" are modular ships and can be used in various capacities.
    Estonia. The number of the Armed Forces is 5500 people, plus 20 militias. Armament of the ground forces: 000 Finnish armored personnel carriers "Sisu", 139 BTR-20, 80 BTR-2PB, 60 South African "Mamba", 9 24-mm BG FH-155, 70 42-mm D-122, 30 38-mm Swedish M- 105, 38 172-mm mortars, 120 131-mm mortars. Anti-aircraft weapons: 82 ZU-98, 23 PU MANPADS "Mistral-25". PTS: PU ATGM "Milan-2", MAPATS, 2 BO (160 M-30A40, 1 Pvpj 130). Swedish RPG "Karl Gustav", AT-1110, Israeli B-4. Chinese copy of RPG-300 - Type 7. Air Force: 69 An-2. 2 light helicopters Robinson R.4, American UAV RQ-44 Raven. Navy: 11 former Danish minelayer, 1 former British minesweepers.
    Thus, if combined, the Baltic states will have about 25 corps, plus 000 militias, with 35 tanks, about 500 armored personnel carriers, 3 artillery pieces, about 450 mortars, with MANPADS, ZA, and ATGMs, whose main task is to hold out until the main NATO forces. At sea, they have a total of 160 mine loaders, 500 minesweepers, 3 patrol boats, 11 of which can be used as RCA. That is, the Baltic states may well try to set minefields in order to close the exit from the Gulf of Finland and try to prevent sea communication with the Kaliningrad region. Something like that! Yours faithfully! hi
    1. Wedmak
      Wedmak 25 July 2013 13: 35 New
      0
      At sea, they have a total of 3 mine-layers, 11 minesweepers

      Are there mines for them?
      And how much ammunition do they have for such motley weapons? Are all these weapons on the go and functional? 25 thousand. Of course, strength, but without the support of heavy equipment, it is only 1/3 of the corpses, 2/3 of the partisans.
      1. smiths xnumx
        smiths xnumx 25 July 2013 14: 03 New
        +2
        As I am curious from the Soviet weapons that are not manufactured in NATO, they refuse, so the Estonians use their BTR-80s only for training purposes, and the Lithuanians were going to write off the BTR-60PB, BRDM-2 in the near future, as 2 MPC of project 1124 had previously been written off.
        The main part of their armament is fully operational, since it was either produced recently (the same Estonian armored personnel carriers "Sisu", towed howitzers) or is being produced. Moreover, the tactics of the Balts are based on defense until the approach of the main NATO forces, and in the event of a breakthrough in their defense, the transition to partisan actions, for which there is such a large number of militias, as well as anti-tank systems, MANPADS, BO and RPGs. They will be supported from the air by the NATO Air Force based at the Lithuanian airbase Zokniai, especially since Lita has a land border with Poland, a NATO member. As for sea mines and anti-ship missile launchers, it is not a problem to deliver them, especially since the Baltic states have ships for their installation. Yours faithfully! hi
    2. Dober
      Dober 25 July 2013 13: 58 New
      +2
      Quote: Kuznetsov 1977
      Something like that!

      Yeah ... Right what militarists ...
      Now, if you write "rus surrender" on three more tanks (well, or with variations), then that's it, the khan and the capitulien is inevitable.
      Ahtung! Without a declaration of war, late in the evening, with its entire armada "Baltic Alliance" treacherously attacked Selmag in the Pskov region. During the ensuing skirmish, the guard Uncle Vasya was forced to retreat to a neighboring village.
      The invaders seized three boxes of sprats and a box of Balsam Riga, followed by a tactical retreat to pre-equipped positions in Vendspils to wait for a ferry to Sweden.
      1. smiths xnumx
        smiths xnumx 25 July 2013 14: 12 New
        +4
        Dear underestimation of the enemy, always leads to dire consequences, often to defeat. Remember the Russian-Japanese, Soviet-Finnish wars. They were also preparing to "throw hats" on the enemy, but in the first case there were not enough hats, which led to defeat, and in the second case, they had to rebuild on the move with numerous victims. Yours faithfully! hi
        1. abrakadabre
          abrakadabre 25 July 2013 14: 20 New
          0
          There were enough hats. We did not have time to deliver. Transport capabilities of the highway did not allow.
          Eh ...
          1. smiths xnumx
            smiths xnumx 25 July 2013 14: 27 New
            +1
            The cap was enough, but not always, remember Tsushima, however, Comrade Stalin, in 1945, returned all his debts to the Japanese. Sincerely. hi
            1. abrakadabre
              abrakadabre 25 July 2013 14: 41 New
              0
              Wow ... Unfortunately in Tsushima, the wrong admiral was at the helm.
              1. smiths xnumx
                smiths xnumx 25 July 2013 15: 02 New
                +1
                If my grandmother had something, she would be a grandfather. Unfortunately, history does not have a subjunctive mood, therefore I am forced to admit that Russia suffered a defeat in the Russo-Japanese War, which, according to the apt expression of Comrade Stalin, addressed the people on September 2, 1945:
                But the defeat of the Russian troops in 1904 during the Russo-Japanese War left hard memories in the minds of the people. It fell on our country a black spot. Our people believed and expected that the day would come when Japan would be smashed and the stain would be eliminated. Forty years we, the people of the old generation, have been waiting for this day. And now, this day has come. Today, Japan pleaded defeated and signed an act of unconditional surrender.

                However, our conversation does not apply to the topic. Therefore, let's respect the work of moderators, and interrupt it. Yours faithfully! hi
                1. abrakadabre
                  abrakadabre 25 July 2013 15: 28 New
                  +2
                  I agree. Although this is ... what you and I have expressed can come up with a cup of tea. And here in the next branch about the 1000th anniversary of the baptism of Russia, this is happening! - you swing. Dutch hemp growers are real children. And the Taliban with their opium. I didn’t think that our people consume so many substances.
                  hi
                  1. smiths xnumx
                    smiths xnumx 25 July 2013 16: 03 New
                    0
                    I try to participate as little as possible in political topics, especially in such slippery as the 1000th anniversary of the baptism of Russia, still a military site. True, if they irritate or openly be rude, such as Svidomo, with their praise of Bandera, or Israelis with double standards, as Mr. Pupyrchaty did yesterday, then I’m wet. However. if you want to talk, then let's evening in PM, I’ll come home from work and leave ICQ to my wife, unfortunately I don’t. Yours faithfully! hi
        2. Corsair5912
          Corsair5912 25 July 2013 19: 13 New
          0
          Quote: smiths xnumx
          Dear underestimation of the enemy, always leads to dire consequences, often to defeat. Remember the Russian-Japanese, Soviet-Finnish wars. They were also preparing to "throw hats" on the enemy, but in the first case there were not enough hats, which led to defeat, and in the second case, they had to rebuild on the move with numerous victims. Yours faithfully! hi

          In the 1905 year, Russia defeated the Japanese both in the military and in the economic sense. Japan did not have its own military industry weapons, ammunition and even coal for the fireboxes of ships delivered from Europe. The Japanese were the first to make peace, and it became unprofitable for Russia only because of the dementia of Nikolashka 2, who agreed to all the conditions of the Yankees intermediaries. Japan could be squeezed so that they would give their island.
          The Soviet-Finnish war was poorly prepared tactically and financially, hence the losses, but the Finnish army was so reduced and thinned that in the 1941 year they were not able to conduct serious hostilities. If it were not for the intervention of England and France, Stalin and such an army of Finland would not have allowed.
  • APASUS
    APASUS 25 July 2013 13: 29 New
    0
    They don’t know how to lick the USA right now!
  • abrakadabre
    abrakadabre 25 July 2013 13: 38 New
    0
    Estonian Army About 6000 thousands military personnel

    Horseradish se !!! belay
    Total army. Urgently everyone to be afraid !!! And how many weapons are transferred to the 6 millionth army !!!
    laughing
    But seriously, correct the typo.
  • LM66
    LM66 25 July 2013 14: 04 New
    +2
    In the video of the parade, the strange design of the rostrum with red fabric and Christmas trees, like at a funeral
    1. abrakadabre
      abrakadabre 25 July 2013 14: 17 New
      +3
      This is not a parade. This is a sooooooooooooooooooooooooo wassat
  • Djozz
    Djozz 25 July 2013 15: 07 New
    +1
    Three mosquitoes are sitting on a bull, and they are talking, "The main thing for us is to knock him down, and then we kick him."
  • washi
    washi 25 July 2013 15: 54 New
    +2
    I don’t understand what I mean. The modern Russian Federation has recognized itself as the successor of both the USSR and the Republic of Ingushetia. This territory was Russian from the very beginning, then leased, then conquered by Rus - Lithuania, then Peter 1 bought it, then the Angles recaptured it, but Stalin, with the consent of most residents, returned it. Gorbachev - gave it to some tribes. Whose land is this?
    Why are we repaying royal debts, but the lands bought and belonging to the treasury, the king and the Church are not given to us.
    Recognized "Romanovs" not murdered, but where is the inheritance? Lands (Schleswig-Holstein, Leader of the Order of Malta (i.e. Malta), Tsar of Poland). belonging to the Russian tsars. Half of France, Israel, Syria, Saudi Arabia, Germany, Iran should belong to Russia, as the legal successor of RI. I'm not even talking about the former territories of Turkey, Central Asia and China.
    1. Djozz
      Djozz 25 July 2013 16: 52 New
      +1
      Stalin bought from Vilnius and the Vilnius region from the Germans for 7,5 million gold dollars, and also cut off Palanga from East Prussia according to the Potsdam agreements. They owe us, like land to a collective farm!
  • gen-48
    gen-48 25 July 2013 18: 14 New
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    Everyone played "war" in childhood, let the guys play too. They did not have their statehood in the foreseeable past. The Germans, the Poles, the Swedes, the Danes, the Russians, the Tatars bent them down ... And suddenly - the EEC, NATO. Here, many will get dizzy. To have a sovereign country means to have an army. Why are they worse than the Vatican or Liechtenstein. But there is nothing to laugh too much. In 1939, they also said about Finland "we will throw our hats", "in 2 days we will be in Helsinki," but it turned out that we still remember this little war with great reluctance. History should teach, and let them mess around, a little dog, always a puppy.
    1. asadov
      asadov 25 July 2013 18: 50 New
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      I agree completely. let's not stop them frolic in the sandbox. They are not to blame for what was given them no more.
  • Corsair5912
    Corsair5912 25 July 2013 18: 57 New
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    Only clinical scientists imagine that in the modern world, even a sufficiently large country can fight against a superpower without its own developed military industry and modern army.
    How many ammunition do all 3 Pribludian armies have 5-10-15? how many hours of battle? At 3-4 hours, well, even at 1-2 days. And what's next?
    What are they going to do when their "fleet" is inevitably launched to the bottom with the first blow, and "aviation" is burned at airfields or shot down in the air?
  • Dimy4
    Dimy4 25 July 2013 21: 02 New
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    No need to laugh and underestimate, the unification of the three armies is the first steps to world domination. (See photo to the article).
  • morpogr
    morpogr 25 July 2013 21: 26 New
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    One army is good, but three armies is power. He will appoint himself as the general asymus.
  • p-159
    p-159 25 July 2013 23: 47 New
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    seriously for all of them, in order for this to actually be an army, it is necessary to adopt the experience of Switzerland as a total partisan movement, fortunately, weapons are allowed on their territory, not our non-Amerian Pts were able to fight well against well-trained resistance
  • Alf
    Alf 26 July 2013 00: 14 New
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    I watched these parades, I haven't laughed like that for a long time. They would have left for Rafik. The most interesting thing is that both (forgive me, Lord) the "elite" and ordinary people have such serious faces, is it really not at all funny to them? So don't laugh, you have to cry.
    In the first parade, a very interesting fact is that everyone has a white stripe on their right boot. What is it ? Is it really how Peter 1 taught to walk - "hay-straw, hay-straw"?
    1. Thunderbolt
      Thunderbolt 26 July 2013 00: 53 New
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      Quote: Alf
      a white stripe is visible on the right boot.
      In the medical battalion on this patch, the doctor determines the blood group and more, and this infa is useful on the battlefield.
      1. Thunderbolt
        Thunderbolt 26 July 2013 01: 54 New
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        Z.Y. In the pre-war period, the Baltic states carried out intelligence activities on the NW theater, and in wartime they carried out sabotage-guerrilla methods to disrupt the advance of enemy marching columns and ensure the deployment of NATO advanced forces. In the 60s, my father was involved in guarding missiles mine installation on the Kola Peninsula. Two Estonians, by prior conspiracy, while on guard, sawed off wooden butts from machine guns, packed them in pre-stocked suitcases and, having changed clothes, made a walking march to the railway station. stations. They took them near Leningrad. During interrogation they confessed that they made their way to their homeland, into the underground caches system, did not doubt the support of the local population. Word, a dangerous and stubborn enemy. Here.
  • Kostya pedestrian
    Kostya pedestrian 26 July 2013 04: 57 New
    -1
    I am generally surprised why Gorbachev did not demand from the West, when Latvia was "liberated" from the USSR, to prohibit the creation of any kind of Latvian army in view of the atrocities and war crimes committed by them while serving the Hitler regime, as the United States demanded from Japan.

  • Alf
    Alf 26 July 2013 13: 39 New
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    Quote: Thunderbolt
    In the medical battalion on this patch, the doctor determines the blood group and more, and this infa is useful on the battlefield.

    Yes, I do not argue that the thing is necessary, but not on the boot! For normal soldiers, this patch on the sleeve or on the breast pocket.
  • beifall
    beifall 27 July 2013 06: 50 New
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    Well, maybe it makes sense, it's cheaper! All the same, no one will attack, the wrong times! Members of NATO - the most powerful bloc in the world!
    1. Namejs
      Namejs 27 July 2013 14: 33 New
      +1
      So it really is. And the formation of a single armed forces is not necessary; cooperation between the allies is very good
  • alone
    alone 27 July 2013 14: 04 New
    +1
    even if hypothetically the Baltic states will join their armed forces (although they are already like NATO members and seem to operate from one control center), then without NATO they still can not resist Russia. If the military clashes hypothetically begin !! wrong scope
  • Marek Rozny
    Marek Rozny 30 July 2013 17: 24 New
    -1
    Why do we need the Baltics? Let them live on their own. And as friends - they are a fig option, and as enemies - not serious. Let them unite and separate, we (the "Eurasians") care about them? Of course, I want the main countries of the ex-USSR to become part of the Eurasian Confederative Union, I’ll even be glad if Mongolia, Turkey, Finland, Iran are included, but we do not need the Balts and Moldavians at all.
    1. Kostya pedestrian
      Kostya pedestrian 8 August 2013 09: 38 New
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      With the same success, you can wish Toyota to live on its own, we have both UAZ and Niva with Avalanches, why do we need Toyota.

      Over there, in Minsk, the Toyota Center under the auspices of Megamaster, a marble merchant, stands right on the site of the former Finnish gas station, and according to history, the origin of the Sea of ​​Marmara is associated with large faults in the earth's crust that divided the continents of Europe and Asia. We, as Belarusians, may not be important, but Russia is still bigger and older, here you can only add "what has not divided us should make us
      more friendly. "



      Pies: Well, about the fact that the Finnish Armed Forces use the swastika as their symbolism, there’s no need to guess what root it grows from.