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Pentagon's goal is Syria

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The other day, the US Congress, having visibly acted, agreed with the Nobel peacemaker Obama and gave the Pentagon the go-ahead for military assistance to those terrorists, hired bandits and cannibals, who in the most democratic state of the planet are considered to be "rebels", not sparing their belly fighting for democracy. Against the background of the decision of the congressmen, the head of the Joint Chiefs of Staff of the United States quarreled with the “hawk” McCain, a great friend of the kidnappers and a longtime supporter of the intervention in Syria. General Dempsey wrote a letter to the commission on the armed forces, in which he lucidly explained what could be an invasion of Syria - and how much it would cost. However, his arguments are of little interest to anyone: despite the economic crisis, and, perhaps, thanks to him, Barack Obama is eager to attack.


The head of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, General Martin Dempsey, warned that the military operation in Syria would be costly and ineffective (http://www.kommersant.ru)


The fact that media reports on the Senate’s approval for helping “rebels” are not a newspaper duck was confirmed at a recent briefing by Jane Psaki, the head of the State Department’s press service. She was asked if the White House would really start supplying the opposition weapon. Psaki answered: “This conclusion is correct, but I can’t talk about timing or specifics.”

The day before, General Martin Dempsey had a row with Senator McCain. An old “hawk”, long eager to bomb (sorry, democratize) Syria, found a way to put pressure on the general. Openly using his official position, the congressman announced that he would block Dempsey’s next approval for the post. But if the general provides a plan of operation ...

To this, the general came up with a good answer. He really made a plan. Even three plans - you never know, the first and second McCain will not like. So now there is a plan "A", and a plan "B", and a plan "C". We decipher: "training of opposition groups", "the introduction of a no-fly zone over Syria" and "drawing air strikes on Syria." True, Dempsey sent these plans not to McCain, but to Karl Levin - to the man who heads the commission on armed forces under the senate. However, there is no geopolitical difference between Levin and McCain. They threatened to start a campaign for the possible blocking of Dempsey as the head of the Joint Committee.

In the letter, the general cited some large numbers that should have annoyed McCain very much, because the hint was clear: there is a crisis in the country, and you spend billions here as easily as you burn matches.

Mr. Dempsey pointed out that the operation in Syria would require the use of "hundreds of aircraft, ships and other means of attack," and it would cost billions of dollars. Here is another hint: the United States can get a second Afghanistan. Or a second Iraq. However, the White House is no stranger.

And if one of the Americans is killed in Syria — they are shot down by an airplane, for example — then here is Vietnam as well, please. Such promising parallels should have made Mr. McCain very angry.

There is another hint in the letter - already a critical one, which the general did not allow himself before. "Getting to the action," wrote Dempsey, "we must be prepared for what follows." It will be difficult to avoid the expansion of intervention. We can inadvertently strengthen extremists or cause the use of chemical weapons that we ourselves want to control. ” Anyway, and in this way the general assessed the actions of the White House in supporting those forces that are recognized by the progressive community of the world as terrorists. As far as chemical weapons are concerned, Dempsey clearly hints at the possibility of criticism of his starry-striped homeland by this very world community. The White House probably hopes, as before, to repulse critics with propaganda, but each propaganda victory is given more and more difficult to aggressive hawks.

Dempsey pointed out in a letter that the Assad army could take Washington’s blow - on condition of dispersal of forces. The general believes that as a result of the operation, the Syrian government army will be only slightly weakened, for example, by an increase in desertion. The mere creation of a no-fly zone can fly the United States into a “pretty penny” equal to a billion dollars ... a month! Moreover, Dempsey doubts the necessity and effectiveness of such a zone: Assad is fighting on his territory - and uses mainly ground equipment.

It can be assumed that the plan “A” will be selected from the options (at least at the beginning of the anti-Syrian campaign). That is, special forces instructors will go to Syria, as well as supply of weapons will begin.

Interestingly, the “hawkishness” of the American satellite of Great Britain lately has not only subsided, but generally vanished. Cameron is no longer eager to supply weapons to the “opposition,” as he and Hollande called for before the EU. A few days ago, the British prime minister explained his new position, which is extremely inconvenient both for the “oppositionists” and for Washington: “It’s too hard to interfere. And besides, if we are not talking about such weapons, which we cannot supply for fear that it will fall into the wrong hands, our supplies will not give the opposition a decisive advantage. The conflict will only flare up even more. ” And Mr. Idris, the commander of the so-called Free Syrian Army, said that by refusing to supply weapons, Cameron "actually dooms us to death at the hands of a well-armed army of Bashar al-Assad."

Therefore Idris flew to the USA: there, he hoped, he would not be denied. And they did not refuse. The press wrote that the supply of American weapons to the Syrian "opposition" will begin in August.

Washington is not at all embarrassed by the fact that al-Qaeda groups plan to seize border crossings on the Syrian-Turkish border in order to establish their control over the northern territories of Syria. This is reported, among other things, by the sources of the Free Syrian Army. Correspondent "RT" Gayane Chichakian, referring to the Arab newspaper Asharq al-Awsat, indicates that Al-Qaida intends to conduct the operation after Ramadan. Then an Islamic state will be created in Syria. At the same time, Al-Qaeda members want to gain control over weapons coming from Turkey and over the profits from oil smuggling. There is information that the Front of Al-Nusra has already agreed with groups of smugglers about the division of profits in Deir-ez-Zor.

In another report correspondent. "RT" G. Chichakian says that American weapons spread across Syria. On the Internet there were photos of Shiite fighters supporting Assad, with Western weapons. Therefore, Washington does not control its own supply of weapons.

It is not known what way the M16 and the M4 with laser and holographic sights, as well as the M203 grenade launchers fell into the hands of soldiers fighting for Assad. Philip Smythe, an analyst at jihadology.net, says that "if you like, you can get anything you want." The most important thing is money and connections.

Of course, American weapons shoot in the hands of the Syrian militants. It is reported that American guns are armed with members of the Al-Nusra Front, which is controlled by Al-Qaida.

Well, this information the White House will not stop. Just think, M16, think, "al-Qaeda!" Who, in fact, spawned "Al-Qaida"? The same White House with the help of the CIA. The White House today is ready to be friends with the Taliban, and there is one small step before the “Al-Qaida”.

By the way, can Barack Obama think differently, not like his predecessors in the high office? Hardly. He's not Merlin Miller. All US presidents think the same way and do what previous presidents did. In addition, Obama is bewitched by Hillary Clinton, who mumbled everywhere like a spell: "Assad must go, Assad must go."

Assad, however, will not leave. This is the first. And secondly, if even the Americans managed to make the heat with other people's hands (God forbid), then who would they have missed in the rulers of Syria? Not long ago, Obama and his State Department rejoiced at the democratic election victory of Islamist Mursi. Whose victory would they like to rejoice at in Damascus? Ayman az-Zavahiri?

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    1. Vadivak
      Vadivak 25 July 2013 09: 10 New
      16
      Quote: Oleg Chuvakin
      Obama gave the go-ahead to the Pentagon to provide military assistance to those terrorists, hired bandits and cannibals,


      What's so surprising?

      Harry Truman (April 1945 to January 1953 - US President): “If we see that Germany wins, then we should help Russia, and if Russia will win, we should help Germany, and thus let them kill as much as possible although I don’t want under any circumstances to see Hitler in the winners ”(New York Times. 24.06.41)

      Like this ----- I don’t want to, but I need to, that is, they know who they are helping, but they don’t change their business
      1. DEMENTIY
        DEMENTIY 25 July 2013 11: 24 New
        +2
        “Everything is too complicated there to intervene. And besides, if we are not talking about such weapons that we cannot supply for fear that they will fall into the wrong hands, our supplies will not give the opposition a decisive advantage. The conflict will only flare up even more. "


        Extra proof that you need to fight to the end.

        99% of lesions occur in the head - Assad is not going to lose his head. good
        1. 755962
          755962 25 July 2013 22: 13 New
          +1
          US Senator: I do not believe that American weapons do not fall into the hands of the enemy

          At a peace conference in New York regarding the settlement of the situation in Syria, opposition leaders of the Bashar al-Assad regime hope to agree with the United States on arms supplies. Senator Rand Paul criticized the supply of weapons to Syrian militants, saying that this would mean promoting terrorism. Watch the video: http://russian.rt.com/article/13004
          I suspect that there are sane people in the US Senate ...
          so far this is just my guess ...
        2. Sasha1273
          Sasha1273 27 July 2013 06: 16 New
          +3
          Why do amers set themselves increasingly not feasible tasks? They will play all-in. They will play in the box.
      2. Papakiko
        Papakiko 25 July 2013 11: 29 New
        +1
        Thanks Oleg.
        It’s not a secret for anyone that the “democrats" have 2 ways out, namely:
        1. To precipitate and relax (as with Libya in the last century) and return to this issue after a long time.
        2. Start the intervention with all three letters in order A B c.
        Quote: Vadivak
        What's so surprising?

        Well, this information the White House will not stop. Just think, M16, think, "al-Qaeda!" Who, in fact, spawned "Al-Qaida"? The same White House with the help of the CIA. The White House today is ready to be friends with the Taliban, and there is one small step before the “Al-Qaida”.
        The double contradiction, ay-ay-ay, everyone knows whose generation is Alkaid and Taliban.
        The Taliban is an Islamist movement that originated in Afghanistan among the Pashtuns in 1994, and ruled Afghanistan from 1996 to 2001. (“Islamic Emirate of Afghanistan”) and the Waziristan region of northern Pakistan (“Islamic State of Waziristan”) since 2004. It was diplomatically recognized by three states: the United Arab Emirates, Pakistan and Saudi Arabia. US State Department Supports Taliban At UN Summit In November 1996
        Opposition to the Taliban regime was made by the Northern Alliance, consisting mainly of Tajiks (led by Ahmad Shah Masoud and Burhanuddin Rabbani) and Uzbeks (led by General Abdul-Rashid Dostum), who enjoyed the support of Russia
        Correct Oleg. wink
        1. Mart
          25 July 2013 11: 37 New
          +6
          Quote: Papakiko
          Correct Oleg.

          Buddy, I just meant the talks that the US wants to conduct with the Taliban and Karzai (in Qatar). It would be logical for the White House to go from here to negotiations with al-Qaeda.
          1. Papakiko
            Papakiko 25 July 2013 12: 11 New
            0
            Quote: Mart
            It would be logical for the White House to proceed from here to negotiations with Al Qaeda.

            Like in an official, huh?
            Well, it’s impossible for them to negotiate with AlkaEDA, but they haven’t set up or settled new skyscrapers in place of the destroyed ones. Then, as AlkaEDA will be able to take Syria "on its own" (without the direct participation of the mattress and satellites), then they will portray something. wink
      3. Sandov
        Sandov 25 July 2013 12: 18 New
        +4
        Amer role the executioner I liked it. Just some vampires. Even the history of the 20th century - Vietnam, Chile, Grenada from the latter, and now continue the same, even there is no need to list - everyone knows.
        1. DEfindER
          DEfindER 25 July 2013 18: 32 New
          +2
          Quote: Sandov
          Amer played the role of the executioner. Just some vampires. Even the history of the 20th century - Vietnam, Chile, Grenada from the latter, and now continue the same, even there is no need to list - everyone knows.

          Young states are always wild and barbaric, the same Israel is even younger and even more aggressive, they have no history to teach them anything, no traditions or respect for human life .. or rather they don’t even want to learn from their mistakes, such as with In Vietnam, while only the wind in my head, and the immense thirst for enrichment and consumption ...
          1. Che
            Che 26 July 2013 18: 55 New
            0
            What is interesting, Vyacheslav, at the dawn of the formation of America, the good principles of its statehood were proclaimed and where are they now?
  2. Denin
    Denin 25 July 2013 07: 28 New
    20
    That’s how Assad would come in handy with our inflatable tanks, false infrared targets, various kinds of camouflage and RLS, doing a good deed can even break in technology in real combat operations.
    1. Vrungel78
      Vrungel78 25 July 2013 09: 13 New
      +2
      Quote: Denin
      You can run in technology in real combat.

      Probably without malicious intent, but you think and express yourself incorrectly. Running technology when it comes to the lives and future of people is unacceptable. Here you need to use already tested and the best technology.
      1. Midshipman
        Midshipman 25 July 2013 11: 28 New
        +6
        In any case, they must be run in combat conditions. Otherwise, there is no guarantee that, as a result, they will save the lives of OUR people.
      2. DEfindER
        DEfindER 25 July 2013 18: 35 New
        +4
        Quote: Vrungel78
        Here you need to use already tested and the best technology.

        These are already obsolete technologies, as everything does not stand still, tested and reliable complexes are now easily dispensed with electronic warfare, so you need to test new, at least Assad will not be worse from this, even if the tests do not materialize ..
      3. MG42
        MG42 25 July 2013 20: 52 New
        +3
        Quote: Vrungel78
        Probably without malicious intent, but you think and express yourself incorrectly. Running technology when it comes to the lives and future of people is unacceptable.

        Even the s-300 was not in a real battle, but it wasn’t a hassle to run around .. moreover, the change was already from s-400, and from the s-500 project ..
        here 75 complexes showed themselves well at the time in Vietnam, but how much water has already leaked since ..
    2. Asgard
      Asgard 25 July 2013 09: 18 New
      21
      Assad claimed that the inflatable C-300 deployed in Syria ...
      Wait, the Pentagon found out that IT was not so "bolder", because in our leadership "late"...

      There are two options.
      1 Aggression will be "We" (China, Iran, Russia)) we will watch how they beat Syria.Next will be Iran, Well, Russia for a snack .... only China will also be against us (wonders of geopolitics)))

      "Second" more obvious, since Putin twitched (exercises, injections into the defense industry, rhetoric has changed (the guy realized)))) it’s too late ....
      AGGRESSION will begin on the territory of Syria, We will also get involved (a large share of evidence)) and the WAR will begin, a big one, here is the only plus + in Turkey.Of course, it will grow, but basically Russia will not suffer, you can start a revival .....
      If everything is done correctly, there will be no trace of the Naglo-Saxons (there are conditions for this ...

      the main thing is not to watch ....)))
      1. Natalia
        Natalia 25 July 2013 10: 50 New
        13
        Quote: Asgard
        the main thing is not to watch ....)))

        And this is the point. yes +
        The one who first wet their pants will lose. Ultimately, one of the parties will be afraid to follow the path of further escalation of the conflict and merge, so that one will lose.
        This is not even a gunshot war, it is a war of NERVES, iron nerves. And the one with whom they are stronger wins.


        PS Well, of course, Gorbachev’s nerves were not to hell lol I understand not the topic .... but still.)))
        1. Sandov
          Sandov 25 July 2013 12: 24 New
          +5
          As in a joke about a homeless person, bent over a coin and made an indecent sound, - Phew, nerves to hell. So humpback.
      2. El13
        El13 25 July 2013 17: 31 New
        +1
        Quote: Asgard
        the main thing is not to watch ....)))

        vigil and vigil - completely different verbs ... learn
        1. Asgard
          Asgard 25 July 2013 18: 57 New
          +5
          I’ll somehow publish an article about the Russian language.
          I used these two original Russian words in the comments and the purely Russian people understood me ...
          I explain to others
          bCreateis to promise something (even get a dime for IT)) and not do it ....
          WATCH - be on the lookout, watch, watch and then intervene ......

          So there’s nothing to look at, everything is CLEAR with Syria, either we help, or We will suffer (and they will try to put us in cancer, like Colonels Hussein and Gaddafi)) .... and these in the Kremlin are watching (vigilant)) indistinctly help twirl asshole
          also colonel by the way)))
          Well, I can’t tell the colonel
          (especially since he does not solve everything there))))
          1. El13
            El13 25 July 2013 19: 34 New
            +1
            credit accepted! bully
            especially since he doesn’t solve everything there

            or: “especially since he doesn’t solve everything there”
            also a pun
            1. Asgard
              Asgard 25 July 2013 20: 21 New
              +1
              I can write about a piece of "NOT")))
              But where do I need two offsets ...
              but there is a difference
              Quote: El13
              doesn't solve everything "
              and EVERYTHING DOES NOT SOLVE ....

              P \ S read my posts, they organize the brain correctly and soon you will become a MAN))))))
              I’m writing seriously, this is not just a set of words - it’s a program, in many there is still a sense (sometimes several), a dialogue with your subconscious, if you read “correctly”, you will CORRECTLY ...Human ....
      3. MG42
        MG42 25 July 2013 20: 56 New
        +2
        Quote: Asgard
        If everything is done correctly, there will be no trace of the Saxon Saxons

        Naglo-Saxons do not fight on their territory ..
    3. AVV
      AVV 25 July 2013 11: 00 New
      +5
      More emitters and false targets, that’s right, because one Tomahawk cruise missile costs more than a million dollars, and the United States will leave them without pants for withdrawing them to false emitters !!! As well as inflatable mockups of tanks and s-300!
      1. MG42
        MG42 25 July 2013 21: 08 New
        +5
        In order to increase the effectiveness of combating the Kyrgyz Republic, in addition to fire countermeasures, electronic warfare should be widely used. The appropriateness of their use is due to the possibility of jamming on-board electronic equipment and systems that provide accurate determination of flight altitude and guidance of missiles at the target. If the normal functioning of these systems is disrupted, errors accumulate, resulting in a significant deviation of the missile from the target or its collision with the earth (water) surface.

        A very effective way to combat the Kyrgyz Republic is to carry out a set of special events. This is a change in the visible shape of the terrain in the areas of correction of the flight path of the Kyrgyz Republic and the contours of likely targets, their masking with aerosols, engineering equipment and painting, the creation of false positions with full-scale models of equipment, and others. Their timely implementation can significantly reduce the possibility of determining the exact coordinates of the object of impact, counteracts the targeting systems of the Raman target and significantly reduces the overall effectiveness of their use. As the experience of military operations in the Persian Gulf and the Balkans showed, as a result of equipping false positions and objects, maneuvering and other measures, the effectiveness of air assault attacks, including missile defense, decreased by 25-50% or more. This is confirmed by comparing the initially announced results with the results specified at the end of hostilities.

        Given the situation and the opportunities available to counter cruise missiles, non-traditional means and methods of dealing with them can also be used. So, in mountainous areas, the flight route of the Kyrgyz Republic can pass through gorges below the level of the surrounding terrain. Under these conditions, minefields can be used to combat them, which are actuated by acoustic and thermal detonating detectors located on probable missile flight routes.

        A simple and fairly effective passive means of combating CD is the use of lightweight nets that resemble fishing nets. They can be installed in the probable directions and altitudes of the missile’s flight stationary or rise at the right time by signals from special sensors with the outbreak of hostilities. The network installation location should be selected taking into account the tactics of using the RC - in the vicinity of possible impact objects or at a distance from them, in areas of possible correction of their flight routes. This method of combating the Kyrgyz Republic, according to several media reports, was first used in the conduct of hostilities in Yugoslavia (1999) and confirmed the reality of its application.

        Read more: http://www.arms-expo.ru/055057052124054053055.html
  3. Denis
    Denis 25 July 2013 07: 31 New
    +9
    The Americans may understand that it is impossible to deliver weapons to terrorists, but they cannot do anything about themselves (idiocy in the blood) - after all, Russia helps the other side ...
    1. tilovaykrisa
      tilovaykrisa 25 July 2013 10: 00 New
      +5
      Not idiocy but the power of habit, they are used to doing what they want for 20 years without looking at someone else, as a smoker with 20 years of experience understands that he can die from cigarettes but does not quit smoking, for this you need willpower, but it is not.
  4. GELEZNII_KAPUT
    GELEZNII_KAPUT 25 July 2013 07: 32 New
    +4
    As predicted in August, a big kipish will begin, and as for plans A, B and C, it seems that these are points of the same plan 1, 2, 3, they are another aircraft carrier, they seem to have landed in Middle East, it was about this time and keep up! hi
    1. INTER
      INTER 25 July 2013 08: 30 New
      +8
      Quote: GELEZNII_KAPUT
      As predicted in August, a big kipish will begin, and as for plans A, B and C, it seems that these are points of the same plan 1, 2, 3, they are another aircraft carrier, they seem to have landed in Middle East, it was about this time and keep up!

      It would not be bad if this same aircraft carrier like the previous ship with weapons went to the bottom))))))))))))))
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      2. Natalia
        Natalia 25 July 2013 10: 27 New
        +4
        Quote: INTER
        As predicted in August, a big kipish will begin, and as for plans A, B and C, it seems that these are points of the same plan 1, 2, 3, they are another aircraft carrier, they seem to have landed in Middle East, it was about this time and keep up!

        So now it has become clear that the situation will develop in three scenarios:
        1.USA supply weapons to militants
        1.1. Russia supplies weapons to the Syrian army
        1.2. Russia does not supply weapons to Syria, but simply limits itself to angry criticism.

        2. The United States sets up without a flight zone and supplies weapons to the militants.
        2.1. Using its capabilities, Russia will prevent the establishment of a zone without a flight, and will provide the Syrian army with everything necessary to defend the country from invasion.
        2.2. Russia will limit itself to angry criticism and simply try to continue deliveries of weapons to Syria.

        3.US start a military invasion.
        3.1. Using its army and navy, Russia will do everything to prevent this.
        3.2. Russia will simply keep its fleet nearby for intimidation and moral support of Assad’s army, while criticizing the United States.
        3.3. Russia will simply confine itself to angry statements against the United States.

        Development according to the most serious scenario imposes a certain responsibility on both sides, but as my dad says: "Considering that the Americans are not a very brave nation, their point will shrink tightly."
        So even though the United States fought here and there, they mostly sit locked in their bases and preferring to control UAVs. And this is not for you in the Shatoi district of Chechnya with a machine gun with Wahhabis in the First Chechen war.
    2. basil200
      basil200 25 July 2013 10: 03 New
      +6
      August 8 is getting closer and closer
  5. domokl
    domokl 25 July 2013 07: 35 New
    +4
    I’m afraid that assault rifles, or rather automatic rifles, will not help bandits. This is a scam of the US public. Moreover, heavy weapons must be supplied. And this threatens with retaliatory measures from Russia and China.
    If the conflict, with the help of Abama and others like him, develops into a new phase, then the neighboring countries, including Israel, will not seem enough. Well and seven feet under the keel to our sailors in the Mediterranean ...
  6. regsSSSR
    regsSSSR 25 July 2013 07: 39 New
    +2
    if America will personally climb the war into Syria, then it will certainly lead her to the line of collapse! but after all, they’ll climb anyway, because their bastards probably already have nothing to sit with them, it’s Syria already as a splinter in ... from a pronouncement of the name of this country, Makein starts a nervous tick !! Well, since they can’t put up with the victory of Assad! a real evil empire! soon your face will be revealed to the whole world
    1. domokl
      domokl 25 July 2013 07: 44 New
      +4
      Quote: regressSSSR
      if America personally climbs the war into Syria, then it will certainly bring it closer to the line of collapse

      laughing What war? Americans can get into only by force. They are bogged down at all points where American warriors are sitting at the bases. The only solution is to rake up the heat with the wrong hands. Bandits, terrorists, etc. And then, after the massacre, take control of the economy. Only against Syria did not ride
      1. regsSSSR
        regsSSSR 25 July 2013 18: 19 New
        +1
        Quote: domokl
        Quote: regressSSSR
        if America personally climbs the war into Syria, then it will certainly bring it closer to the line of collapse

        laughing What war? Americans can get into only by force. They are bogged down at all points where American warriors are sitting at the bases. The only solution is to rake up the heat with the wrong hands. Bandits, terrorists, etc. And then, after the massacre, take control of the economy. Only against Syria did not ride


        Well, let's hope that you're right hi
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  8. Valery Neonov
    Valery Neonov 25 July 2013 07: 50 New
    +4
    Confrontation between Russia and the United States continues. Contrary to common sense, the amers come between Assad and the bandits ...
  9. fzr1000
    fzr1000 25 July 2013 08: 22 New
    +6
    There must be modern "barbarians" who destroyed this "empire." DO STA-LI!
  10. MIKHAN
    MIKHAN 25 July 2013 08: 25 New
    +7
    It smells like a big mess! Amer is evil now. They urgently need a small victorious war .. Russia strongly came to their tail!
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  13. dojjdik
    dojjdik 25 July 2013 08: 40 New
    10
    no war is needed; and Assad quickly cleanse the country of gangs, restore order on the border and begin to restore what was destroyed by pro-Israeli gangs
    1. a52333
      a52333 25 July 2013 11: 06 New
      +2
      Unfortunately, fast is unlikely to succeed. Even after the territory is completely cleared, there will be raids, terrorist attacks, and seizures of small settlements.
  14. Suhov
    Suhov 25 July 2013 08: 41 New
    +1
    And if one of the Americans in Syria is killed - they bring down a plane, for example, - then here you have vietnam, you are welcome.
    Such ... parallels should have made Mr. McCain cool.

    Ага.
    The comrade knows that in Vietnam, as in Greece, there is everything and all this can be eaten ...
  15. MRomanovich
    MRomanovich 25 July 2013 08: 41 New
    +6
    Something ... edrila all the time minus such articles. Apparently this corrupt skin is paid well, or he has the same rotten brains and darling as American politicians.
    1. Very old
      Very old 25 July 2013 16: 48 New
      +6
      Let it be minus. Put + This is my voice, it is significant. Here's the great news: 20 minutes ago, on NTV News, they showed an episode of a group of Syrian opposition militants surrendering voluntarily to the regular Syrian Army. It turns out that they are unhappy with the way the new commanders treat them; in addition, they do not want to live according to Sharia law, they do not want to see their country as a novice of the emirs of the Gulf. The progress, however. Iconic
      1. Che
        Che 26 July 2013 19: 02 New
        0
        As soon as the mass transfer of bandits to the side of the people begins, then other problems are easier to solve. You look and the state will be saved from destruction.
  16. mustafa
    mustafa 25 July 2013 08: 42 New
    +5
    If we assume that the United States has not gone completely crazy (well, it’s hard to suppose such a thing lately), it turns out that they know something that forces the states (Obama, the military-industrial complex or whoever runs it) with manic sequence to look for adventures in one place? What is this something? Can someone help with the answer to this question?
    1. progserega
      progserega 25 July 2013 09: 19 New
      11
      Look for someone who benefits.
      Who said the US is deciding something? If they do harm to themselves, then they are only a tool in someone else’s hands.
      Let's take a look at the tool:
      The tool hung over the abyss (economic, ideological, geopolitical). What then do those who use such a tool do? As much as possible squeeze the leftovers. What can I squeeze out of the USA? Only their army still means something. Everything else is a colossus with feet of clay.

      But why should those (not the United States) who control the United States plunge the world into a total war of self-destruction - this is a question. Who benefited from the 1st and 2nd world wars? Who invested resources in their promotion and received the maximum "dividends"? Why do they need this in principle? What kind of goal is this anti-human? Shattering humanity from the economic, ideological (anti-human values), military - the desire for degradation and death of humanity (tales about the decline in numbers - nonsense, because there will be fewer people -> there will be less scientists, writers, creators -> taking into account instant exchanges information - humanity will be poorer and less developed). This is a conscious activity to “lower” human civilization to zero. Who benefits from this?

      The USA is a pseudo-construction that unites and serves the interests of financial centers / circles. There will be no pseudo-construction - financial circles are not cold, not hot.
      1. egor 1712
        egor 1712 25 July 2013 12: 57 New
        +5
        The position of Obama (the peacemaker - winner of the Nobel Prize) is not clear and strange. His behavior and subsequent actions indicate that a person is not free to do as he wants and is forced to represent other people's interests. In general, Obama’s election and presidency seems like some kind of PR campaign, no more, no less. The black president rules the United States. But really see Obama can’t restore order even inside the country (killing a black guy). Indicates that racial issues remain in America and are not being addressed. Why? Yes, he is a puppet ...
        Therefore, they will supply weapons. In this situation, Russia should be close to Syria and help it. You can try to direct our development of weapons. Anti-sniper development, send a “Terminator” to cover Syrian tanks.
      2. Roman_999
        Roman_999 25 July 2013 16: 51 New
        +1
        Strong comment, logical.
    2. wax
      wax 25 July 2013 18: 04 New
      +3
      Neither they nor we can afford to lose in Syria because of the grave consequences of the outcome for the region. Therefore, in parallel there is a search for compromise in the diplomatic field. Therefore, both sides say (one way or another) that there is no military solution. But the amers cannot allow peace on the conditions of Moscow and Assad, so there is a mutual escalation in deed and in words. I think that Putin is the hardest nut in the world arena today and will not allow the aggressor to win a military victory. Signals in the form of powerful exercises were given to the West. All the same, it will be necessary to negotiate, and the Russian Federation and the States will agree, so the rhetoric of England, France, Turkey fades into the background.
  17. vzhirkov
    vzhirkov 25 July 2013 08: 50 New
    0
    Saying ov is pure propaganda. The war has been going on for three years. During this time, megatons of weapons were dragged there. The war is beneficial for everyone - it’s necessary to teach and wet Muslim terrorists somewhere. Gathered them in one place and everyone is training. In fact, the Syrian blitzkrieg failed. In 2014, before the election, Assad will finally kill his “rebels” and become the “new” president of Syria on a white horse.
    1. Vrungel78
      Vrungel78 25 July 2013 09: 22 New
      +3
      Quote: vzhirkov
      Everyone benefits from war

      Are you a conspiracy theorist? Do you really think Assad benefits from the war?
    2. vzhirkov
      vzhirkov 25 July 2013 10: 16 New
      +2
      If by conspiracy, understand that the conscious action of certain individuals and groups. Of course I am a supporter of conspiracies. In politics, in the absence of resources, the country turns into an object of politics. Syria did not have resources, and now they are "borrowed" from Russia and Iran. The main sponsors of the war are Qatar (England) and Turkey (Europe). The purpose of the war is to stretch a gas string through Syria to Turkey, from it to Europe. To make gas cheaper. Oil and so convenient to carry tankers, no need to pay for transit. Liquid gas is an expensive and dangerous pleasure. When Assad wins, another 30 years will be vaccinated against Sunni uprisings.
      1. Sandov
        Sandov 25 July 2013 12: 33 New
        +3
        Old pruduns from England twist the wheel for you. I won’t be surprised - they inherited in Africa, in India they did the same and robbed them.
  18. Jahn
    Jahn 25 July 2013 08: 53 New
    +4
    So Israel will suffer the first, no matter how you say, in the case of Assad’s departure. The Americans will first climb in and then begin to howl
  19. MRomanovich
    MRomanovich 25 July 2013 09: 01 New
    +1
    Quote: mustafa
    If we assume that the United States has not gone completely crazy (well, it’s hard to suppose such a thing lately), it turns out that they know something that forces the states (Obama, the military-industrial complex or whoever runs it) with manic sequence to look for adventures in one place? What is this something? Can someone help with the answer to this question?

    I'm afraid everything is much simpler, self-interest and malicious intent - these are the true reasons.
  20. kapitan281271
    kapitan281271 25 July 2013 09: 26 New
    +4
    Everything just more than once was a mean info. The oil pipeline from the Gulf to Europe about which the monarchies of the Gulf rave can long ago be laid geographically only through the territory of Syria. As you understand here, the interests of the monarchies, which by the way have long been under the State Department and the mattresses converge. Persian oil is better and cheaper. Russia could, so far the pardon can compete in this matter only thanks to cheaper delivery. There is Persian oil in Europe and there is no Russian pipeline. There is no Russian oil. There is no Russia. I recall the fate of the USSR when OPEC collapsed at the price of orders from the Washington regional committee. So the fact that the Syrian army and the Syrian people are bleeding for Russia is not warm for Russian history and there isn’t any Civil war is not an overt aggression from outside. Here is a guy from Israel inexplicably. I also do not understand another in Israel, all the sums have gone down or only the establishment. If Ased is dumped, then hezbal and Khamaz will seem like a children's matinee for Israel. I will remind you of the huge stocks of chemical weapons in Syria. By the way, infa was that these gopniks even already have a finished oil pipeline project.
    1. bomg.77
      bomg.77 25 July 2013 11: 56 New
      +3
      Quote: kapitan281271
      Everything just more than once was a mean info. The oil pipeline from the Gulf to Europe about which the monarchies of the Gulf rave can long ago be laid geographically only through the territory of Syria.
      And what prevented them from agreeing peacefully with Assad? I think he would not mind getting a few lard a year for transit. The problem seems to me deeper and more global than the gas and oil pipeline. Syria, Iran, Russia, in this order, they are going to act as it seems to me.
      hi
  21. Natalia
    Natalia 25 July 2013 09: 39 New
    +5
    Mr. Dempsey pointed out that the operation in Syria will require the use of “hundreds of aircraft, ships and other means of attack,” and it will cost billions of dollars. Here's another hint: the United States may get a second Afghanistan. Or the second Iraq.

    It is obvious that the invasion of Syria will cause many problems to the Pentagon, even if you use a huge number of ships, planes, etc. But nevertheless, if this still happens, self-samba (with grief over the sexes) will succeed in overthrowing Assad. Therefore, it is fundamentally necessary for Russia to make it clear that it cannot allow such a scenario to develop, saying: "This is not democratic blah blah blah ... go to the ass of the gentlemen." If you want to supply weapons, well, we will too.
    Therefore, if we want to defend our interests, we will have to rush for Syria in full.
  22. SvetoRus
    SvetoRus 25 July 2013 09: 45 New
    +3
    The goal of the United States is the Great War, in the Middle East, with the involvement of the maximum number of participants. They, one step away from achieving it, the large countries of the region - Iran, Iraq, Turkey, Egypt, have already announced their participation in it in a certain course of events. The United States will not stop and will supply weapons, even to the “Syrian opposition”, al-Qaeda, and if necessary chemical, to carry out Assad’s setup in the spirit of the Tonkin incident, they will not get used to.
  23. kapitan281271
    kapitan281271 25 July 2013 09: 50 New
    +7
    I absolutely agree completely and completely. But the trouble is that ours, as always, wants to slip between e **** x, but this does not happen. Now in all forums clapping their hands cheers S-300 Syria we are putting an end to the Pentagon. And the end will be to our complexes and we will have a chance for the whole world to have huge image losses. Because if you post the entire system with cover systems with special forces covering them with electronic warfare systems, the specialists generally know. Without all this, the S-300 is difficult but a target. And this only concerns air defense, and much more needs to be decided on the fate of Russia
  24. krez-74
    krez-74 25 July 2013 10: 01 New
    +1
    At the moment when someone loses fear, he passes the moment when he begins to not realize the proximity of his death! (I'm talking about the USA)
    1. Very old
      Very old 25 July 2013 16: 58 New
      +2
      Cupid, turn on the "box" - see the news: militants in packs surrender to the regular Syrian Army
      1. krez-74
        krez-74 25 July 2013 17: 36 New
        +2
        good It's a good news! I was not in the know, thanks!
        Now they would tie them all together, and send them to the "democratic" countries ...
  25. user
    user 25 July 2013 10: 17 New
    +1
    Yes, this is a pain for us!
    Remember the song WANT RUSSIAN WARS. . . .
    It seems that everything can get out of control and not only among Americans
  26. Fetel
    Fetel 25 July 2013 10: 25 New
    0
    Yes, the United States did not succeed in changing power with the hands of bandits, since they are talking about direct military intervention.
  27. Constantine
    Constantine 25 July 2013 10: 38 New
    +3
    Regarding the general:
    This is probably not a positive change, but simply an exchange of slaps in the public, so that this very general would not be merged quietly :) He thinks for himself. Only for themselves and their own epaulettes.

    Concerning:
    By the way, can Barack Obama think differently, not like his predecessors in the high office? Hardly. He's not Merlin Miller. All US presidents think the same way and do what previous presidents did. In addition, Obama is bewitched by Hillary Clinton, who mumbled everywhere like a spell: "Assad must go, Assad must go."


    Obama does not think with his own head. US presidents generally have their own head and will. The presidency in the United States is like a Hollywood film, and the actor is selected for the main role once every 4 years. Anyway, the scriptwriter and the director decide. wink
  28. atomic
    atomic 25 July 2013 13: 27 New
    +1
    If the cunning English quietly stepped aside, then something very serious is brewing.
  29. eplewke
    eplewke 25 July 2013 13: 59 New
    +2
    Amer’s economy alone cannot stand another hot spot.
    1. Very old
      Very old 25 July 2013 17: 00 New
      +1
      Dogs will be poisoned. Collected in Europe and our former "brothers." Reason to come up with a nonsense
  30. Bambino
    Bambino 25 July 2013 14: 39 New
    +3
    General Dempsey set off! At least one sane person was found in the Pentagon. God forbid, the American people will wake up from the zombies of the Washington Regional Committee and throw off these parasites-Wall Street puppets who settled in the White House and the Capitol ...
  31. badabing
    badabing 25 July 2013 15: 04 New
    +2
    the situation in the world where the states consider themselves to be the highest nation, will never change peacefully, these will stir up the war in any way, and they will end up in ... well, sadly, but all of them will be there, including us
    and we will again have to pull the planet out of the next well ... s, for which we will later be cursed
    probably we need one more world so that mankind would finally understand that damn it’s impossible to live like that anymore, you need to change and live together for the common good
    so gentlemen, get ready for hard times and be prepared to protect not only your home, but also the future of homo sapiens
  32. Magadan
    Magadan 25 July 2013 15: 23 New
    +4
    The situation around Syria - you’ll break your head, especially taking into account the financial crisis approaching to the west, the possible shortage of energy resources, water and arable land in the near future, and most importantly, the gradual withdrawal of many countries from the influence of the West. Assad's victory primarily means the beginning of the decline of world hegemon. It will be worse than Vietnam, because now the world cannot be frightened by the spectral threat of communism and you cannot rally around you.
    In general, wonderful times await us if Russia once again, as in 1917 and 1991, traitors do not destroy.
  33. michajlo
    michajlo 25 July 2013 16: 02 New
    0
    Quote: MIKHAN
    It smells like a big mess! Amer is evil now. They urgently need a small victorious war .. Russia strongly came to their tail!

    Good day to all!
    Sorry US to war pushed by her invisible rulers, because the economic situation now requires for trying to restart the economy of the entire capitalist (sorry sorry) peace, war, the sale of weapons and ammunition and the mutual destruction of opponents are required.
    The collapse of the Social Commonwealth (1989) and the USSR (1991), which was carried out by traitors from the top of the KGB + "Gorbachev and accomplices", gave for two decades a respite from the Western economy, which back in the late 80s was close from the "anus."
    Cheap purchase of enterprises in Eastern Europe, the CIS countries, the destruction of production and agricultural production in them, the emergence of home oligarchs in the 90s and 2000s eliminated competitors and expanded sales markets for TNCs. But this was not enough.
    The latest global financial crisis (without respite from 2007 from the USA to the present), showed weakness and mortality in Western economics, and against the background of reforms, changes and increased fin-econ. and military power of the PRC is just the last call before the discharge of the crew and passengers of the west ship overboard into the depths of history of the ocean ...
    Moreover, if the military power of the United States and NATO is still preserved, then all the power and endurance fin-ekon. Western designs - has declined sharply in recent decades.
    The West is while inertia is still moving, but with a significant slowdown!
    If we recall the war in Iraq (2003), the fall of Libya (2011) and the squeezing out of Iran by a dangerous Islamic state for the West, we can only recall the foundations of modern political economy.
    Since the Russian ruble, covered with gold, which Stalin planned to introduce in 1958, "died without being born," along with the death of the ITT, in the world with the 50s world currency became USD, moreover, the power and stability were given to him by the “petrodollar” function, that is, in dollars, payments are made for energy. resources and all other goods in the world ...
    Cheap petrodollar(uncovered by gold and expenses only on printing) since the beginning of the 60s in the USA themselves have ruined American manufacturers (the final touch is the bankrupt Detroit_2013, which has been temporarily banned by the court) ...
    According to data from the press and the Internet, from 1996 Iraq, Libya and Iran began to talk and began to demand payments from the West for their oil and gas. not in dollars but "golden arab dinars" that would be covered in gold not printing ink ...
    In this case, the entire fin-econ. the power of Western light will disappear in 5-10 years!
    Also vitally dangerous now for the West intentions and the beginning of mutual settlements between the BRICS, Southeast Asian countries and others in yuan, rupees, rubles and othersx strong regional currencies.
  34. michajlo
    michajlo 25 July 2013 16: 09 New
    +1
    The consequences of the US + NATO military operations to intimidate the obstinate rulers of OPEC countries (so that followers do not appear), you all know:
    2001- some "strange attack" in the United States (the crash of planes stolen by terrorists on Gemini and the Pentagon).
    2003- the beginning of the war in Iraq, the destruction of Saddam Hussein
    2011- Arab Spring, the destruction of Libya and Colonel Gaddafi,
    since the 90s - constant threats of war to Iran, etc.
    The USA already has successful options for pushing and developing its American economy and industry (through WWI and WWII, the Marshall Plan, etc.).
    As entrepreneurs and financiers say: war, unrest and revolution - this is nothing personal, only business ...
    therefore the outcome and consequences of the civil war, or rather, the "foreign intervention of gangs of mercenaries and murderers" in Syria since 2011, is much more important than simply the disagreement of the "secular and Islamic" type of state.
    Fortunately for the whole "normal world", Assad was not a wimp, and the fact that 70-80% of Syrian citizens of different faiths are behind him suggests that he is trusted by the majority of the people in Siriri.
    Well, all these supposedly "civilians" of Syria, who have old corns on their fingers and shoulders (from triggers and the return of various weapons) and have gathered in Syria from all over the world, are fighting for petrodollars from the UAE and Qatar, and the smell of blood to their taste!
    If and later on Russia (Putin, his followers or just the new responsible representative of the country, who can replace Putin at any time), will not be in words but in fact, together with China and othersand soberly reflecting the states of the world, they will support Syria and, if necessary, directly participate in repelling the intervention in Syria
    - then in this case, the USA, the NATO countries, can remain “on their own” and can start packing things in order to leave their bases around the world over the next 5-10 years.

    Well, as an Assad’s victory against Syrian intervention will affect the Israeli state and its borders, it’s hard to guess now, but it’s certain that this will be a big change for the Israeli state, and it’s quite possible that it will have more favorable consequences for Israel than in case of Assad’s defeat ...

    The only thing is that in the case of further "pouring oil into the Syrian bonfire", it is quite possible that it would flare up in World War 3.

    Moreover, in both cases, in Syria, on the Assad side, many of our children from the CIS will die.

    But if at the moment, only on an empty balabolit and knock on the keyboard, then after some time, we will all fight not Syria and on BV, but in the expanses of the CIS, the North Caucasus, Central Asia or in the eastern part of the Russian Federation ...
    Therefore, these announced plans of the Pentagon - this is just the tip of the war of the West against the Assad government, and many of the secret plans, directives and measures already taken - we will find out only after a while.

    Therefore, everyone should take into account that there is a possibility that after 50 years in history textbooks (if some still will), it may be written that 3rd World War It began in 2011 with the Intervention in Syria or from November 2012 (when the Mejlis / Turkish parliament by law allowed the Turkish army to carry out military actions past the Turkish borders for 12 months) ...
  35. Grits
    Grits 25 July 2013 16: 27 New
    +2
    For example, I still don’t understand why we are not fully utilizing the unique capabilities for testing our weapons? Indeed, no matter how blasphemous this sounds, Syria now is a great training ground for testing all modern and not very modern systems and types of weapons in a real combat situation. We have enough weapons that have never participated in real hostilities. Meanwhile, there is a serious debate about the effectiveness of some weapons and the appropriateness of their production or modernization.
    Examples - mass. they have already talked about "Terminator". How many copies were broken - effective - not effective ... But what questions? Send a few pieces to Syria and check the effectiveness! The same applies to “Pinocchio”, “Sunshine” - and there you will see - is there a sufficient firing range or not?
    Why, for example, is it not visible to Syrian fighters fighting in urban areas, grenade launchers, why are flamethrowers like "Bumblebee" not visible? Is it really so difficult to send another BDK loaded with this good?
    1. sub307
      sub307 25 July 2013 18: 11 New
      +1
      Yes, they "send" something there probably, they "forget" only to inform us.
  36. michajlo
    michajlo 25 July 2013 17: 11 New
    0
    Quote: Gritsa
    For example, I still don’t understand why we are not fully utilizing the unique capabilities for testing our weapons? Indeed, no matter how blasphemous this sounds, Syria now is a great training ground for testing all modern and not very modern systems and types of weapons in a real combat situation. We have enough weapons that have never participated in real hostilities. Meanwhile, there is a serious debate about the effectiveness of some weapons and the appropriateness of their production or modernization.
    Examples - mass. they have already talked about "Terminator". How many copies were broken - effective - not effective ... But what questions? Send a few pieces to Syria and check the effectiveness! The same applies to “Pinocchio”, “Sunshine” - and there you will see - is there a sufficient firing range or not?
    Why, for example, is it not visible to Syrian fighters fighting in urban areas, grenade launchers, why are flamethrowers like "Bumblebee" not visible? Is it really so difficult to send another BDK loaded with this good?

    And how do we know that our technicians and officers there are not experiencing something in the real Combat Environment !?
    Indeed, far-sighted and serious about such things statesmen, can and should speak later, that this modification was tested there and then, having performed 20, 40 or 80 shots, launches and tests with the result / effectiveness of XU%.
    And then it’s just dry to constant in the Technical Characterization or Technical Description, that "According to the results of tests in the BO during the pro-Western Muslim intervention in Syria, we selected the parameters confirmed their effectiveness or the necessary details were finalized!"
    After all, you and I are not present there and were not, but we see only what they could or wanted to show us both from the side of the hired-invaders and the state media.
    And most of the details, as it is now happening in reality, we will find out much later, or even after 5-10-20 years ...
  37. morpogr
    morpogr 25 July 2013 18: 11 New
    +1
    How does the Nobel laureate drill his peace prize in one place. And McCain must be sent as an instructor or adviser, he will teach how to destroy his planes and how to break aircraft carriers, he has experience and how he lives in captivity.
  38. Sergey S.
    Sergey S. 25 July 2013 19: 23 New
    +2
    Quote: michajlo
    ... after 50 years in history textbooks (if some are still), it may be written that 3rd World War It began in 2011 with the Intervention in Syria or from November 2012 (when the Mejlis / Turkish parliament by law allowed the Turkish army to carry out military actions past the Turkish borders for 12 months) ...

    World War 3 began much earlier - in 1945, when the first atomic bombs were detonated.
    The essence of this war is intimidation and bribery.
    But large military operations, as a rule, are not practiced.
    Therefore, the end of it is not visible. The Soviet Union collapsed - socialism flourished in China, through globalization absorbed many countries - Muslims and foreigners settled in European capitals ...
    So in the future I look with optimism: the laws of Nature will not allow to defeat Conscience, Courage, Honesty, Reason, Goodwill and Truth.

    President Assad has long summers!
    And let our stamped enemies rage.
  39. Corsair5912
    Corsair5912 25 July 2013 19: 24 New
    0
    The Yankees in Asia act as their ancestors in America against the Indians. They break into foreign territory, build forts, that is, military bases, and then, relying on them, destroy the local population.
    If Muslims do not turn on their brains, years through 20-30 it will be impossible to get rid of the Yankees.
  40. darksoul
    darksoul 25 July 2013 20: 17 New
    +2
    Warriors heh ... r..o..you
    1. ZU-23
      ZU-23 26 July 2013 09: 05 New
      0
      He always reacted to Schwartz all his life, but he turned out to be m, said that he considers Gorbachev a hero.
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  42. smiths xnumx
    smiths xnumx 26 July 2013 01: 01 New
    0
    Well, something like this is approximate.
    1. ratuld
      ratuld 26 July 2013 07: 52 New
      0
      Well, move the Jews Pinocchio.
      All show-offs instantly come off.
  43. Snoop
    Snoop 26 July 2013 05: 36 New
    0
    Syria needs to prepare ... and for more false goals and false positions. Very effective as the events in Yugoslavia showed. US Secretary of Defense William Cohen then announced the victory of American weapons, saying that NATO forces destroyed more than 50% of artillery and a third of all armored vehicles of the Yugoslav army. General Henry Shelton reported on the destruction of 120 tanks, about 220 armored personnel carriers and infantry fighting vehicles, and up to 450 guns and mortars. According to Newsweek magazine Really: only 14 tanks were disabled, 18 armored personnel carriers, and 20 artillery units. And this is for two and a half months of almost continuous bombing. The NATO were shocked when the Serbs withdrew their units from Kosovo)))
  44. MYXA
    MYXA 26 July 2013 06: 58 New
    0
    "The only thing is that in the event of further" pouring oil into the Syrian bonfire, "it is quite possible to flare up in World War III." It's hard to disagree, and everything seems to be going to that.
  45. ratuld
    ratuld 26 July 2013 07: 19 New
    0
    Here is the answer to the question - "Why did the West suddenly fall in love with Putin."
    Probably Putin himself signaled to this very “West”.
    For example, that Assad will "merge".
    (I would not want to think so)
    And for good mess there in the Middle East will be fucked !!!
    And for good, we must already drive echelons of equipment and advisers to Iran and Syria.
    Arm and create Kurdistan and Kurds.
    Deploy rockets and s-400 in Armenia.
    And so on and so forth.
    Shock complexes of coastal defense and air defense, coupled with the SRZO and all kinds of "pinocchio" there will be able to contain the first strike.
    And there we will tighten China-Pakistan-Iran ....
    .... and again ....
    Under the guise of -coen on cast-iron lobeshnikami will fly along with the catarrh of the upper respiratory tract.
    1. ZU-23
      ZU-23 26 July 2013 09: 24 New
      0
      nevermind you ran into soldiers, razpashil all suckers in a mess)))
    2. ZU-23
      ZU-23 26 July 2013 09: 25 New
      0
      nevermind you ran into soldiers, razpashil all suckers in a mess)))
      1. ratuld
        ratuld 26 July 2013 13: 59 New
        0
        Russians gather for a long time ...
        And a long ride ....
        They got it.
        You see - he played out or not - but Putin went to Iran.
        Probably drink sorbet ...
        So - they got not only me ...
        blood Brothers ...
        i don't like russian
        but there is no other people here and never will be.
        And I Russian - RESPECT.
        The Russians did not have their own nobility.
        But the nobles considered it an honor to live and die for the Russians.
  46. Yurban
    Yurban 27 July 2013 12: 38 New
    0
    ratuld.
    Hey, what kind of nonsense did you scratch? If possible, translate the feeling that you are far from a real perception of something.

    And on the topic, of course, everything has become much more complicated, for literally the last days, I really want everything to end already, but in the process it’s just beginning, I just don’t have any bad words about the State Department, but something like this, "SOCIETY OF THE STRONG ; DULL; MININGITCHERS.

    Sincerely.