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Saddam Hussein: “Gorbachev is a crook and a traitor!”

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Saddam Hussein: “Gorbachev is a crook and a traitor!”
Our age will pass. Open archives
And all that has been hidden so far,

All secret stories twists
Show the world glory and shame.


So wrote the Soviet poet Nikolai Tikhonov. A century has passed, the archives were captured by the Americans. Thank God, not ours - Iraqi, who became the prey of the Yankees in 2003. However, Russia also has this “history twisted”, for the partially declassified documents (full volume - 2300 hours of audio recordings and millions of pages of printed text) show when America for the first time ceased to reckon with our country in the international arena. And also thanks to whom we from “parity partners” have slipped to the level of “singing along”.

... By occupying neighboring Kuwait, the leader of Iraq hardly imagined what the similar demarche would end for him personally. And although Hussein's confrontation with the cowboy little family Bush has been stretched for years, no matter how much the rope is wound, it still turned out to be a noose. But this eternal "if"!

America, which long ago proclaimed the Persian Gulf a zone of its national interests, pursued purely specific goals there, the main of which was control over the largest oil fields. For the USSR, such a “protectorate” was extremely disadvantageous. One of the reasons for the collapse of the Soviet Union called a sharp decline in world prices for black gold. From here - reduction of food import, empty counters, discontent of the population, etc., etc.

Now imagine the next option. After the seizure of Kuwait in Baghdad, they also thought hard about suddenly becoming neighboring Saudi Arabia. The seriousness of Hussein’s intentions was confirmed by a large group of Iraqi soldiers focused on the Kuwaiti-Saudi direction and a whole series of border conflicts. The military potential of Saudi Arabia was much weaker, which is why King Fahd agreed to accept American aid. But while he was thinking, there was plenty of time to attack.

Ah, if Saddam Hussein could have managed to concentrate in his hands such oil wealth as Iraq + Kuwait + Saudi Arabia! Cynical, but very pragmatic for the USSR. Dictate prices in the global black gold market (we were allies with Iraq) would be almost absolute. And it is quite possible that such a turn of events could save our economy and ultimately the state, the disintegration of which even former critics of the Soviet system now call tragedy.

Even if Hussein did not succeed in carrying out his plans in full, the “long-playing” instability in the Persian Gulf zone would automatically keep the oil price level at an acceptable level for us. The Soviet Union still had opportunities, without interfering directly in an armed conflict, to influence the situation with maximum benefit for themselves, at least through a veto on the launched “Storm” in the UN (at that time they were still considered this organization). "There are no friends, no enemies - there are only state interests." For the then leadership of the USSR, the formula seemed extremely rigid. “Peace” with America was preferred to the war in the Persian Gulf.

The Iraqi army began bombing 20 years ago, January 17 1991. In air strikes took part to 1000 (!) Aircraft, first used so-called. Smart, high precision weapon: Americans really did not want to damage the oil fields. And then they were set on fire by the order of Saddam Hussein, who put on a thick black smoke that would close the target enemy pilots. February 24 has launched the “Desert Storm” ground phase. It is also called “television war”, because (also for the first time) the military conflict was broadcast live.

As soon as Hussein was informed about the first battles on the ground, he attacked Mikhail Gorbachev with swearing, writes, based on documents from the captured archives, the newspaper The New York Times. The Iraqi leader can be understood: to the last he hoped for the help of his Soviet colleague. Now it turns out that he simply “threw” him: he promised, but did not.

Earlier, Hussein sent his foreign minister to Moscow, trying to prevent ground fighting at the last moment. Under the influence of Gorbachev, Hussein volunteered to withdraw Iraqi troops from Kuwait on 21 day. A day before February 24, Hussein wrote a letter to Gorbachev in which he categorically said: “The situation is getting worse. Our people and the army are puzzled. We ask ourselves: what is more important - the proposal of the USSR or the threat of Americans? ”In conversations with trusted assistants, Hussein expressed less diplomacy. He called Gorbachev a “fraud”, arguing that he was either not influential enough or simply did not want to stop President Bush. “He deceived us! I knew that he would betray us! ”The Iraqi President emotionally exclaimed.

Combined with declassified transcripts from the presidential library of George W. Bush, the Iraqi archive paints this picture: “Gorbachev was eager to find a solution that would protect Iraq — the former“ client ”of the USSR — and make the USSR an equal partner of the United States in international diplomacy. At the same time, he did not want to risk his relationship with the Bush administration, ”the American edition confesses.

February 23, a few minutes before the X-hour, Bush and Gorbachev talked on the phone. Gorbachev assured: joint actions by the USA and the USSR through the UN will become a model for resolving other crises in the future. “George, let's keep cool,” he literally asked (although he had to demand) he. But Bush said the time is up: if the Iraqis are going to withdraw troops, let them do it in ... the next minutes. Mikhail Sergeevich swallowed a “joke”.
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  1. Denis
    Denis 23 March 2013 09: 26 New
    18
    In this, he did not discover America for us; for a long time much was painfully familiar
    Now, if I said how to make this head patchwork, he would end the days like him, then it would be
    1. 755962
      755962 23 March 2013 11: 27 New
      13
      Who is behind all this is not necessary to remind ....
      1. Bas luis
        Bas luis 6 May 2013 14: 27 New
        +3
        Soviet power, socialism - this is the best that has happened in the history of mankind! ,, ,, The role of Stalin in the history of the USSR and the whole world is sharply positive! ,, COMMUNISM IS FOR THE WHOLE HUMANITY OF OUR PLANET ONLY POSITIVE !! And who is behind all this !! ?? This is USA, NATO, EU, capitalism, slavery, violence, exploitation, those who want to live at the expense of weak peoples, here you live in the USA at the expense of the peoples of Africa, they destroyed LIVIA SERBIA YUGOSLAVIA, where these NATO instigators are criminals CAPITALISTS OF WAR AND POVERTY !!!
    2. denisey
      denisey 23 March 2013 11: 49 New
      20
      A hunchback must be judged, and his name is a hunchbacked goat
      1. 755962
        755962 23 March 2013 12: 01 New
        +3
        В данный момент идёт по "РЕН"-ТВ "Территория заблуждений" с Игорем Прокопенко..СМОТРЕТЬ ВСЕМ!!!
        1. Uncle lee
          Uncle lee 25 March 2013 06: 22 New
          +7
          I looked ... I have a question - where is the ice ax ????
      2. Zeus
        Zeus 23 March 2013 14: 41 New
        16
        In general, he was nicknamed from those for someone of distant times - labeled Judas.
        1. 1goose3
          1goose3 24 March 2013 23: 29 New
          +1
          In general, he was nicknamed from those for someone of distant times - labeled Judas.

          I keep asking myself why the earth still bears it, why doesn’t the Lord punish this bastard ?! And I can’t find an answer ....
          1. EIN
            EIN 21 May 2013 13: 23 New
            0
            I keep asking myself why the earth still bears it, why doesn’t the Lord punish this bastard ?! And I can’t find an answer ....

            It's all simple.
            В рай за свои дела "праведные" он не попадёт. А в ад его черти не хотят брать, потому что он и их предаст и весь ад развалит на х..., да ещё премию за это получит!
            Avenged the grandfather of a fist. The USSR collapsed.
      3. Simon
        Simon 24 March 2013 20: 55 New
        +1
        I completely agree with you. He must be judged for betrayal in relation to his people. negative
        1. wecher75
          wecher75 24 May 2013 18: 47 New
          0
          He betrayed not only his people but also the allies of his people
      4. Bas luis
        Bas luis 6 May 2013 14: 22 New
        0
        He deserves to be executed by the people of the USSR who he betrayed the goat
    3. Rustam
      Rustam 23 March 2013 13: 06 New
      +6
      Let's start first Gorbachev did a lot of bad things and most importantly brought to the collapse of the USSR, that's his fault

      but Saddam no guys wink

      Саддам Хусейн - сам виноват в своей ситуации - потому что в 80ые годы главным его союзником были США которые оказывали всяческую помощь В те времена интересам США на Ближнем Востоке угрожал не Ирак, а Иран, переживший исламскую революцию. Свержение проамериканского режима в Тегеране лишило Вашингтон доступа к одному из богатейших источников "черного золота". Именно тогда администрация Рональда Рейгана стала укреплять наступательную мощь Багдада,
      And Saddam Hussein has become a major US ally in the region.

      and they set him up! after all, before invading Kuwait, Saddam asked permission from the United States (where he received an approval yes) - after which the United States, after accusing Iraq of aggression, began its victorious Desert Storm operation.

      iconic photo - Donald Rumsfeld and Saddam Hussein 1983 Baghdad Allies for Ages wink [media = http: //www.youtube.com/watch? v = zaP7ZrmkcuU]
      1. Kaa
        Kaa 23 March 2013 17: 53 New
        +4
        Quote: Rustam
        Gorbachev did a lot of bad things and most importantly brought to the collapse of the USSR, that's his fault

        Конечно, "о мертвых - либо хорошо, либо -ничего", но к публичным людям это неприменимо. Поэтому придется процитировать: " Prior to Gorbacheva, not a single wife of the Secretary General intervened in decisions of national importance. But Raisa Maksimovna violated this correct tradition. Judging by what I know, there was not a single serious issue that Mikhail Sergeyevich would solve without the participation of his wife!
        Of course, Raisa Maksimovna was a smart, but too ambitious and power-hungry woman, whose influence, unfortunately, was not just her husband, but the leader of a superpower.
        Raisa Maksimovna could arrange “demonstrations” and give the head of security and even the head of the Security Department instructions on personnel matters. She allowed herself to intervene in the affairs of the Politburo members, disregarding their rights and obligations and, finally, their interests. At the whim of the “first lady” a large team of experienced and reliable personal security officers was fired. Among them - the head of security A. Ligacheva Sokolov. But Ligachev once defended "the right of Raisa Maximovna to travel with her husband." He explained that this is an exceptional family. In a word, some of Gorbachev’s comrades-in-arms helped to nurture from her something like a “queen”. As a result, Yegor Kuzmich Ligachev himself was removed from Gorbachev after some time.
        In general, Gorbachev’s character is suspicious, unstable. At the same time, he is able, without rushing to make hasty conclusions, to hold the offender close to him, but in such a way that he will be able to deal with him for sure and forever, if necessary. But he got a puncture with Yeltsin ... Gorbachev was connected with the putschists, but he left them under the pressure of circumstances. In this situation, he was afraid of losing power. A great influence was exerted on him by his wife, who came to taste the position of the “first lady” of the country. Gorbachev was going to rule the country until the end of his days. This is evidenced by the fact of building a gorgeous state-owned only for themselves and their families on the Black Sea coast of the Caucasus in the Musers! Even members of the Politburo were banned from entering there. I did not know then that Mikhail Sergeyevich was a naked politician, did not see in people that several years later he would endlessly shuffle his political environment, leaving both the left and the right, some of them moving closer and throwing again. In the end: they left him - they.http: //www.kp.ru/daily/26036.3/2951405/
      2. APASUS
        APASUS 24 March 2013 10: 37 New
        +5
        Quote: Rustam
        Let's start first Gorbachev did a lot of bad things and most importantly brought to the collapse of the USSR, that's his fault

        He did not ruin the USSR - he betrayed the people who made up the country !!!
        1. Gari
          Gari 24 March 2013 15: 13 New
          +1
          In conversations with trusted assistants, Hussein expressed himself less diplomatically. He called Gorbachev a “fraudster,” claiming that he was either not influential enough or simply did not want to stop President Bush. “He tricked us! I knew that he would betray us! ” - the president of Iraq exclaimed emotionally.
          And whom he did not betray Judah, as the earth bears him
        2. Simon
          Simon 24 March 2013 20: 59 New
          0
          Gorbach betrayed his people, who elected him the first president of the USSR, and who trusted him. yes
      3. Bas luis
        Bas luis 6 May 2013 15: 08 New
        +1
        Gorbachev didn’t do anything good, a person with one crinkle like Gorbachev Kravchuk Yeltsin can only colorfully lie on a piece of paper, and sweep the place of their street
    4. Smersh Put
      Smersh Put 23 March 2013 13: 33 New
      +4
      Who will hand over Russia, Shelomov or Mendel? The people of Russia, where are you?
      1. Heccrbq
        Heccrbq 24 March 2013 20: 39 New
        0
        He will surrender Russia ---- they already sold it in the 90s, bought it and sold it once more with giblets (we are the giblets.)
    5. Allegedly
      Allegedly 23 March 2013 16: 34 New
      0
      Quote: Denis
      this patchwork head will end his days,


      He lives in Bielefeld, where employers bought a house for him. By the way, recently there was a case, in one expensive store he (yes he laughing ) stole a bottle of wine (probably not cheap). And not by mistake, but with his own hand tore off * a squeaker * on a bottle, so that the output would not beep. The case was closed so quickly, the speed of light smokes nervously in the hallway. So things are not very important for him. Spent material, and at what for a long time.
      1. Denis
        Denis 23 March 2013 16: 51 New
        +4
        Quote: JACOB
        stole a bottle of wine
        It remains only to bow before the wisdom of the people-Humpbacked Tomb Correct - who invented for a long time

        the State Department detained him or something?
        yes, sorry poor thing repeat
      2. stariy
        stariy 23 March 2013 19: 23 New
        +3
        Quote: JACOB
        Spent material, and at what for a long time.

        The worst punishment is oblivion. Humpback honestly deserved it.
        1. Allegedly
          Allegedly 23 March 2013 21: 18 New
          +5
          Quote: stariy
          honestly deserved


          In German, there is such a term as * Hochverrat *. If you stupidly translate it in parts, you get a high (highest) betrayal (betrayal). And if you translate it carefully and in its entirety, you get * high treason * (and not just a mere mortal, but a general or minister at least) ...

          That is, there is nowhere higher (high-level laughing ) ...
          1. APASUS
            APASUS 24 March 2013 13: 33 New
            +1
            Honecker thought he was kissing a man, and he is a snake !!
        2. Dilshat
          Dilshat 24 March 2013 12: 18 New
          0
          Definitely-to hang! So that it was not disagreeable to others!
    6. Bas luis
      Bas luis 6 May 2013 14: 30 New
      0
      Humpbacked Judah, if everyone who hates him will spit in him, then in the spit of the people, the hunchbacked will drown
    7. Bas luis
      Bas luis 6 May 2013 14: 31 New
      0
      Gorbachev in the spit of the people will drown
  2. radio operator
    radio operator 23 March 2013 09: 35 New
    +8
    Ирак был втянут в "социалистическую" орбиту. И этот титанический труд был перечёркнут одномоментно.
    Nicholas II even took death for his weak character, and Gorbachev ... dances to the tune of the liberals.
  3. Zhzhuk
    Zhzhuk 23 March 2013 09: 39 New
    +7
    who can explain to me why the USSR depended on oil prices, because then, as I understand it, almost all the necessary goods for people were produced in the country, moreover, oil. What kind of import did the country depend on that it needed to sell oil. Or was the USSR like Russia of the late 90s with defeated collective farms, factories ...?
    1. Goga
      Goga 23 March 2013 09: 46 New
      14
      zhzhzhuk - Colleague, but the USSR sold oil for a hill four times less oil than the Russian Federation now, and it was not a matter of the country's dependence on imports, the trouble was that the hunchback was not a loser but a direct enemy, but how a country with a traitor at the head could survive ?
      1. Zhzhuk
        Zhzhuk 23 March 2013 09: 56 New
        +8
        Gorbachev surrendered Iraq, Medvedev to Libya: what is the bear doing in the government?
        1. zvereok
          zvereok 23 March 2013 11: 29 New
          +1
          Обслуживает интересы Путина в режиме "Если не я то кто? Неужели - этот?"
        2. ABV
          ABV 24 March 2013 03: 07 New
          +1
          Medvedev is not Libya, he s.tsuka passed us ... time has gone wrong, fin. flows under the brand - we will cancel the transfer from traffic cops to insurance companies, 0 ppm masterpiece of technical thought - an absolute zero from nonexistence ... that’s because such a small bunny-andon, and the whole country suffers ...
          What does a man do, which is not an undertaking, so the whole country is crying and laughing in government ???
          and don’t tell me that we ourselves deserved it, we didn’t vote in the wrong way, supposedly (by the way, I voted for Putin, I’m not hiding ..) ... I just got into a shit and I can’t pick it out ...
        3. Dilshat
          Dilshat 24 March 2013 12: 22 New
          0
          Medvedev has the right quality in politics, he is 100% to Putin always, even if in some way he does not agree with him.
      2. zvereok
        zvereok 23 March 2013 11: 28 New
        +4
        The traitor was not Gorbachev, the traitor was Yeltsin. Gorbachev was a jerk.
        1. Beck
          Beck 23 March 2013 21: 42 New
          -3
          Hussein could not be perceived as a politician, statesman. He was perceived as who he was - a dictator who at one time seized power. Therefore, his actions were impulsive, depended more on mood than on state necessity. Only a dictator can unleash an unnecessary, worthless 8 year war with Iran, poison his people with chemistry and occupy Kuwait. And also unveil plans to capture Saudi Arabia. A normal statesman will not risk his country so much because he understands that there will be retaliatory actions. A dictator, intoxicated by his sole power, can.

          In those years, the USSR simply could not physically help anyone. The country was on the verge of economic collapse. And this collapse was caused by an inefficient socialist economy, since the communist ideology itself was fundamentally wrong. The socialist economy worked for some 70 years, not at the expense of extracting additional profit from increasing the profitability of production and labor, but at the expense of simple quantitative increase in the exploitation of natural resources. That is, if the western plant, due to technology, got so much iron from one mine. That socialism in order to extract so much iron from one mine had to build three plants. And such management at first still gave a return - Val. Come on, come on. Then in the future could no longer meet the requirements of the new time. This led to stagnation of the economy. And this inefficient socialist economy led to the collapse of the USSR.

          К неэффективной экономике плюсуется низкий уровень политического руководства СССР в 90 годы. Если идейные революционеры 20 годов отбирались на руководящие посты по тем или иным деловым качествам, то последующие поколения в деловом плане мельчали. И к этому автоматом приводила однопартийная система. Теперь карьера делового человека заменялась на карьеризм лизоблюдов. Чтобы пробится наверх нужны были не профессиональные качества а долготерпение, подхалимаж, угодничество, соглашательство. Только люди с такими качествами могли пролезть в элиту. Секретарь райкома, обкома, и далее. "Свинопас" Хрущев, пролез не потому, что был деловой, а потому, что много лет отплясывал перед Сталиным гопак. "Землемер" Брежнев пролез потому, что целовал вышестоящих в засос и в один момент предал. Тихоня Черненко всю жизнь тихо просидел в Политбюро, пока его не вынес случай. "Комбайнер" Горбачев тоже всем угождал и лизоблюдствовал, по другому В Политбюро было не попасть.

          All this, instead of taken, led the USSR to collapse.
          1. aleshka
            aleshka 24 March 2013 15: 12 New
            +1
            how smart are you !!!! answers to all questions! just the messiah!
            1. Beck
              Beck 24 March 2013 15: 25 New
              +1
              Quote: Alesha
              how smart are you !!!! answers to all questions! just the messiah!


              It's my personal opinion. Do not want do not read. You can’t write like that, not a zuboscal. And if you can argue your calculations.
              1. aleshka
                aleshka 24 March 2013 20: 06 New
                +1
                that is, now, as I understand it, we have an efficient economy ??? it is without gibberish! I can write something more reliable! only your personal opinion is not the truth!
              2. aleshka
                aleshka 24 March 2013 20: 09 New
                0
                hang tags, one swineherd, the other kisses well !!! it's like about football tryndet, everyone can !!! like to be n ******* m be it !!!
                1. Beck
                  Beck 24 March 2013 20: 58 New
                  -1
                  Quote: Alesha
                  Ie now, as I understand it, we have an effective economy ???


                  Better than in 1991. And better than in the year 200. And so from the devastation and immediately to the level of the United States for 20 years, this is impossible. But Russia, without a socialist economy, but with a normal one, will still rank among the leading countries. With communism, this is not possible.

                  Quote: Alesha
                  only your personal opinion is not the truth!


                  I specifically wrote that this is my opinion. And I did not write that this is true.

                  Quote: Alesha
                  hang tags, one swineherd, the other kisses well !!


                  Well, you didn’t find that time. But I heard on the radio and read in the newspapers when Khrushchev personally shook his fist over the podium. Like here I am a former swineherd and became the head of state. These are the advantages of communism. And Brezhnev kissed in a hickey, it was printed in all the newspapers. And people, looking at these aspirations, were uncomfortable for the country.
      3. Fox
        Fox 23 March 2013 11: 34 New
        +2
        Quote: Gogh
        Yes, the Soviet Union sold oil for a hill four times less

        if not mistaken, about 17% of GDP, now 85%.
    2. Black
      Black 23 March 2013 12: 40 New
      +3
      Quote: Zhzhuk
      why the USSR depended on oil prices

      in fact - the fall in oil prices in the 80s - of course played a role - but still it was not paramount .....
      Until the beginning of the 70s, the USSR did well without dollars - and there was food ...
      Но нефть сыграла очень негативную роль в развитии СССР, ибо дармовые бабки полностью залили мозги советскому руководству и оно махнулдо рукой практически на все развитие - мол, "все купим"... Т. О. "разруха в головах" привела к стогнации и в конце концов к тому, что Политбюро притащило за уши к власти Меченного и его руками разрушило империю.
    3. Ascetic
      Ascetic 23 March 2013 13: 09 New
      12
      Quote: Zhzhuk
      who can explain to me why the USSR depended on oil prices, because then, as I understand it, almost all the necessary goods for people were produced in the country, and here oil.


      The share of revenues from the sale of fuel and electricity (I ask you to pay attention to fuel and electricity) in the budget does not actually exceed 10,3% in the most “dependent” years, and on average between 1980 and 1990 it was about 8%. Is this the very “oil needle” that people like to talk about? It is clear that 8-10% is a lot, but to call it a “needle” (despite the fact that 8-10% is with electricity, please do not forget), in my opinion it is dishonest. After all, after all, the Soviet Union produced almost everything on its own, little depended on external goods, and it is unlikely that even a half reduction in oil revenues could somehow greatly affect the “collapse” of the USSR. Moreover, as can be seen from the data above, the USSR budget even grew in those years. And it’s absolutely impossible to say that “half of the USSR’s income was from oil, and the Russian Federation inherited such a dependent economy”
      link

      The current high dependence of the Russian economy on hydrocarbon prices is rooted in Soviet times, said Prime Minister Dmitry Medvedev, RIA Novosti reports.
      «Now less than 50% of our income comes from raw materials. So, after all, there is something else, namely the domestic market, which is already giving a rather serious impetus to development. It used to be small, now people's purchasing power has grown, so there is a growth resource here, ”

      link

      Вот и сравните 10 советских процентов с Медведевскими "меньше 50" и приэтом он утверждает что всё это досталось нам от СССР. Обычное иудейское враньё, главный принцип которого называй черное белым и наоборот.
      1. Kaa
        Kaa 23 March 2013 18: 04 New
        +2
        Quote: Ascetic
        Ordinary Jewish lies, the main principle of which is called black white and vice versa

        Вопрос: кто "сидит на нефтегазовой игле"? Обычно либероиды вопят - Россия! А если подумать - посчитать?
        " Зависимость Евросоюза от импорта углеводородов все еще является достаточно жесткой, а в перспективе будет, скорее всего, только возрастать. Это особенно проявится по мере преодоления последствий мирового финансово-экономического кризиса и выхода европейской экономики на траекторию устойчивого роста. Тем более, что данная зависимость уже кардинально возросла в начале XXI века в связи с расширением ЕС за счет стран Восточной Европы (бывших сателлитов СССР), в основном не располагающих углеводородными ресурсами и унаследовавших чрезмерно энергоемкую экономику, сформировавшуюся еще во времена существования Совета экономической взаимопомощи (СЭВ).Основными поставщиками углеводородов в Европу являются Россия и ряд стран Ближнего Востока. Причем РФ играет наиболее важную роль в обеспечении энергетической безопасности ЕС, так как российские поставки (свыше 300 млн. тонн нефти и около 200 млрд. кубических метров газа) покрывают около 33% потребностей ЕС в нефти и 46% - в газе. К тому же, Москва намеревается частично переориентировать свой углеводородный экспорт на восточное (китайское и азиатское в целом) направление, следствием чего может стать снижение объемов экспорта в Европу. http://www.casfactor.com/rus/analitic/281.html
        With the upcoming instability in the Middle East for the foreseeable future, European hydrocarbon addicts need to fawn on Russia, cherish it and cherish it, as well as in every way appease ...
    4. 76rtbr
      76rtbr 23 March 2013 13: 14 New
      0
      I can explain in this way, meat, grain, which products, and mine, minerals, there is light, heavy industry, and so on, all of their own. but you can’t buy anything in rubles on the world market, for example gold and much more, the same technologies (MIG-15 engines), that’s why they sold oil for currency
    5. Denis
      Denis 23 March 2013 16: 10 New
      +3
      Quote: Zhzhuk

      who can explain to me why the USSR depended on oil prices
      This horror story was invented in a catastrophe, as well as a lot of others. People advocate the type of how bad it was and it became good. But only now did it happen, although to someone like
    6. aksakal
      aksakal 24 March 2013 17: 33 New
      +1
      Quote: Zhzhuk
      who can explain to me why the USSR depended on oil prices, because then, as I understand it, almost all the necessary goods for people were produced in the country, moreover, oil. What kind of import did the country depend on that it needed to sell oil. Or was the USSR like Russia of the late 90s with defeated collective farms, factories ...?
      - It began with the fact that the Soviet leadership did not attach importance to such a factor as the impact on international product standards (in the USSR - international GOSty). Who dictated his GOST - he is on horseback! See how they fought for the right to accept Sony and PANASONIK in a high-quality digital recording as a standard - Blue Ray and I don’t remember how I competed.
      В результате чего советскую продукцию на основании отклонений от стандартов сумели оттеснить от международных рынков. Советские самолеты, например, по шумности не проходили и т.д. Хотя самолеты были вполне на уровне! Нет выхода на международную арену - пошла дальнейшее отставание промышленности СССР, в результате чего нарастала дальнейшая неконкурентоспособность советской ГРАЖДАНСКОЙ продукции, особенно в области электронной и радиотехнической промышленности - всякого рода телевизоры, магнитофоны, компьютеры и прочее. По автомобилям еще не было тогда такого отставания - "Жигули" вполне были на уровне для своего времени, а "Нива" - очень даже передовым автомобилем своего времени. Потом и рубль получил обидное прозвище - "деревянный", за него можно было купить только советскую продукцию. В конце концов население уперлось и вообще перестало брать советскую продукцию. Обувь в общем-то хорошего качества, по ГОСТу, с кожаным верхом и с ортопедическим основанием, но по дизайну совершенно немодные (промолчу, как эту обувь называли в народе) лежала тоннами на полках - а это выполненный план по выпуску обуви, уже полученные премии за выполнение плана, а реализации не было.
      Under these conditions, the Soviet Union had to increase the export of raw materials - oil, metals and gas. So the USSR got hooked on an oil needle, with which it has not cried so far.
  4. omsbon
    omsbon 23 March 2013 09: 51 New
    35
    Nothing to add !!!
    1. stariy
      stariy 23 March 2013 19: 38 New
      +1
      He himself awaits the trial like a kick from God, no one needs him, no one listens to him, everyone is hardened, he even began to steal the booze.
      Quote: JACOB
      stole a bottle of wine
      so that the court will only sentence him to death, although he will sentence him to the tower. The best sentence to Gorbatom is oblivion.
  5. DuraLexSedLex.
    DuraLexSedLex. 23 March 2013 10: 01 New
    +6
    Unfortunately, with this phrase: “Gorbachev is a fraudster and a traitor!”, Everything is said. His betrayal will poison the life of the Russian people for a long time, and will come back more than once.
  6. Sirocco
    Sirocco 23 March 2013 10: 02 New
    +7
    Вот как раз за эти подвиги, этому Горбатому Иуде и была вручена Нобелевская премия. Жаль что Садам Хусейн, примерил "галстук" а не Горбачев. Обратите внимание на западе его привечают как героя, наградами осыпают, какие еще нужны доказательства предательства своего народа и страны. Плюнуть бы ему в лицо. Если задуматься, то представьте, сколько людей у нас в бывшем СССР погибло от той перестройки, ведь многие кто не смог "перестроиться" и влиться в новую жизнь, стали алкоголиками, наркоманами, То что мы сейчас имеем и с чем боремся это его дела и успехи. I do not want to hear about this Judas. am
  7. Sasha 19871987
    Sasha 19871987 23 March 2013 10: 06 New
    +9
    Gorbachev, shit, you need to wet him in the toilet ... along with Yeltsin-2 moral freak
    1. Kubanets
      Kubanets 23 March 2013 13: 18 New
      +6
      Comrades, I hope the site under this name will unite and gentlemen who do not share the red idea. It is time for Judah to give what he deserves. Are we not a part of the nation. We will gather on the forum the necessary number of votes to bring Gorbachev to justice
      1. Kubanets
        Kubanets 23 March 2013 13: 43 New
        +1
        I am YOUR minus in the form Show your face who are you
      2. Denis
        Denis 23 March 2013 16: 14 New
        +2
        Quote: Kubanets
        the necessary number of votes to hold Gorbachev accountable
        Yeah, they’ll attract. What is it that he was hanged by the First-Called-Highest Order of the country?
        1. Allegedly
          Allegedly 23 March 2013 16: 43 New
          +9
          Why did they give the order? Well, well, because he is a prominent political figure of the era of Alla Pugacheva ...
          1. Kaa
            Kaa 24 March 2013 04: 44 New
            +2
            Quote: JACOB
            Why did they give the order?

            Quote: Thunderbolt
            senses that he is not very popular in his homeland ..

            А знаменитый персонаж Исаев-Штирлиц вообще был подстрелен советским бойцом в романе "Приказано выжить". Обаме премию Мира дали авансом? Вот и Горбачеву...авансом...Он теперь американцев пугает...в ступор вводит, воли лишает:" Горбачев предрекает США судьбу СССР ("ИноСМИ", Россия) -Сразу шесть иранских изданий Keyhan (15.12), Iran (15.12), Resalat (15.12 ), Hamshahri (15.12), Khabar (15.12) и Jomhuri-ye Eslami (15.12) сообщают о выступлении Михаила Горбачева на конференции организации «Форум новой политики», посвященной проблемам Ближнего Востока. Приводятся слова бывшего советского лидера о том, что The United States made a big mistake in starting the war in Afghanistan, and they will face the sad fate of the Soviet Union. Gorbachev’s point of view is also noted that in Soviet Russia the Bolsheviks fought with religion and, in particular, with Muslim values, and subsequently the protection of religious shrines became one of the instruments of the Cold War. http://www.inosmi.ru/overview/20121218/203489970.html#ixzz2OPhEQIzR
            REVERSED DEMON! wassat
            1. Thunderbolt
              Thunderbolt 24 March 2013 05: 39 New
              0
              Everything is just beginning ........ Well, look, this guy has written on his forehead that he is a Nobel laureate .....
              1. Denis
                Denis 24 March 2013 06: 06 New
                +3
                Quote: Thunderbolt
                this guy has written on his forehead
                Is it also a patchwork head?

                people like Gorbachev send a telegram-how is your health
                Berezovsky then died
            2. Allegedly
              Allegedly 26 March 2013 03: 44 New
              0
              Quote: Kaa
              Stirlitz was generally shot down


              So it is, they shoot someone. Not everyone can run with impunity syudy ...

              In der Ruhe liegt die Kraft ...
        2. Kubanets
          Kubanets 23 March 2013 19: 37 New
          0
          Well, your way to wipe the snot in a rag Let's wait for new landmark events
    2. ABV
      ABV 24 March 2013 03: 19 New
      +3
      how unpleasant it is to hear from you, Sasha19871987, such uh pranks ..... in the sense-- how not_space_ it’s nice (separately) to hear this, I want to add --- EBN died, unfortunately, not to be put on a bench, but a hunchback - how patriotic and wonderful it would be to spoofly show - treason and put wanted on Interpol, she is with. Tsuka lives in Germany ... senses that he is not very popular in his homeland ..
      1. Thunderbolt
        Thunderbolt 24 March 2013 04: 00 New
        +1
        Quote: ABV
        feels that he is not very popular in his homeland ..
  8. Yeraz
    Yeraz 23 March 2013 10: 36 New
    +4
    Quote: sasha 19871987

    Gorbachev, shit, you need to wet him in the toilet ... along with Yeltsin-2 moral freak

    Where there, he also receives rewards in the favorites of the West, they participate in their events, everyone adores him, and here no one will give him an insult. He ruined the country and goes on high))
    1. Sasha 19871987
      Sasha 19871987 23 March 2013 10: 39 New
      +3
      that’s the point ... like a respected person, now he’s shooting a scum there, but it’s better to hang
      1. Yeraz
        Yeraz 23 March 2013 11: 12 New
        +4
        Quote: sasha 19871987

        that’s the point ... like a respected person, now he’s shooting a scum there, but it’s better to hang

        He’s not there, but he is specifically madly respected and honored, saying that a great man brought joy to the whole world, but because of his inaction, the Karabakh conflict flared up, because of his actions in Baku, Soviet soldiers shot people and received another a greater negativity to the central government and a trump card in the hands of nationalists led to the destruction of the USSR.
        Many in Baku want his death, and on a brazier over a slow fire, to pay for the lives of thousands of people who died due to his actions.
      2. Denis
        Denis 23 March 2013 16: 18 New
        +2
        Quote: sasha 19871987
        shoot paskuda, but better to hang

        Why such atrocities. Just let go
        To people, though without protection
  9. fenix57
    fenix57 23 March 2013 10: 47 New
    +2
    And here he had a hunchback. Well, straight: "фигаро здесь, фигаро там, но не на работе.." У горбатого в пору его президенства были "хорошие" учителя по поводу "кинуть", "подставить"..предать
  10. Indigo
    Indigo 23 March 2013 10: 57 New
    +8
    Даже кол осиновый горбатую иуду не выправит. Это же надо так быть "уважаемым" в стране, что все её жители жаждут затянуть петлю без мыла и выбить табуретку у лауреата .....
  11. pinecone
    pinecone 23 March 2013 11: 06 New
    +3
    Quote: Zhzhuk
    what is the bear doing in government?

    Изо всех сил колотится в двери Шенгенской зоны. Иногда складывается впечатление, что у него и дел других нет, кроме как добиваться безвизового режима со странами ЕС. Уж не готовят ли они коридоры для бегства госаппаратчиков и партийных функционеров в Европу. Самолётов на всех явно не хватит. Кстати, многократные въездные визы они могли бы купить на "свободном рынке услуг" . Плати и катайся сколько влезет.
  12. Ivan Tarasov
    Ivan Tarasov 23 March 2013 11: 17 New
    +3
    The economy of the USSR had to be saved.
    Iraqi expansion is a step agreed upon by both sides (Iraq - USSR).
    The party betrayed the USSR, betrayed its friends, for the sake of a place at the court with slops.
    Gorbachev did not decide anything, the Party decided everything, Gorbi only voiced decisions that did not diminish his guilt for what he had done.
    The trial of traitors will certainly be.
    1. Black
      Black 23 March 2013 12: 16 New
      0
      Quote: Ivan Tarasov
      The economy of the USSR had to be saved.
      Iraqi expansion is a step agreed upon by both sides (Iraq - USSR).
      The party betrayed the USSR, betrayed its friends, for the sake of a place at the court with slops.
      Gorbachev didn’t decide anything, the Party decided everything, Gorby only voiced the decisions,

      With the latter, I agree completely !!! Gorby- and puppet in the hands of the Party, or rather its elite, which decided to merge the USSR as an empire.

      With the first - do you have proof of that? Something I do not remember the great love of Hussein for the Communists.
      Думаю, дело в болезненном авантюризме Хусейна. Он думал, что время "паритета" не прошло и захват Кювейта Штаты проглотят. Да не учел, что к 91 году верхушка политбюро уже слила страну, и штаты его просто раздавили.
  13. treskoed
    treskoed 23 March 2013 11: 24 New
    +6
    Well, why in recent history among our rulers, besides Stalin, there is no one to remember with a kind word?
  14. zvereok
    zvereok 23 March 2013 11: 27 New
    +2
    Gorbachev is a prostitute. His advertising spear pissed off.
  15. Yuri11076
    Yuri11076 23 March 2013 11: 27 New
    +1
    I won’t be surprised that this is with Gorbachev who has long been sitting on the salary of the Americans ...
    1. Allegedly
      Allegedly 23 March 2013 16: 54 New
      +5
      Quote: Yuri11076
      for a long time on the salary of the Americans sitting ...


      I think not with amers, but with Germany. And the salary is small, if recently in a store on theft has become inflamed. The house was given with guards and servants and 2-5 pieces per month in person. It’s not worth much, the wrong flight of a bird ...

      He gave his granddaughter the rights to the symbolism of perestroika, and this will be enough for Madame Virgana to pins for the rest of her life ...
    2. Egoza
      Egoza 23 March 2013 22: 43 New
      +1
      Quote: Yuri11076
      I won’t be surprised that this is with Gorbachev who has long been sitting on the salary of the Americans ...

      Не-е-е! Невыгодно это! Вот есть "авторитетное свидетельство"
      Yushchenko’s wife believes spying on the US is unprofitable and unprofitable
      Супруга бывшего Президента Украины Виктора Ющенко (2005-2010 гг.) Катерина утверждает, что быть американской шпионкой невыгодно. Об этом заявил САМ экс-Президент Украины Виктор Ющенко, сообщает "Бульвар Гордона"
      "Когда ей (Екатерине Ющенко – Ред.) в спину бросали: "Шпионка!"... Она у меня в этих вопросах прямолинейная, несколько наивная, и объясняла мне: "Витя, быть американской шпионкой невыгодно — туда идут только те, кто в жизни ничего не добился, там мало платят... Это не привилегия, как здесь считают, — моей мечтой было стать дипломатом, приехать сюда и служить стране, где родились мои мама и папа, где мои корни", - рассказал Ющенко.
      http://polemika.com.ua/news-113386.html#title
      xxxxxx
      Может и Горби попробует сюда в качестве "дипломата" приехать, как большой спец по России. Ну а мы уж его встретим!!!!!!
      1. Allegedly
        Allegedly 24 March 2013 04: 21 New
        +3
        Quote: Egoza
        I have straightforward in these matters


        Ketrin-Claire Chumachenko since she was fifteen is a member of the youth organization of the Union of Ukrainian Youth (SUM) created by the OUN-b. In 1982, she graduated from Georgetown University, in which she was recruited by agent Gene Kirkpatrick (who combined teaching with work in American intelligence agencies). After Chumachenko agreed to participate in the work of the United States in her historic homeland, she begins a successful career in US government. From 1982 to 1984, Chumachenko is an authorized representative of the Ukrainian Congress Committee of America (UKCA) and works with the closest associate of Bandera, Yaroslav Stetsko. It closely cooperates with the OUN-b and the Anti-Bolshevik Bloc of Peoples (ABN). At the same time, Katherine continues her studies and receives a master's degree at the University of Chicago. From 1985 to 1991, she worked as an analyst at the US Department of State and the National Security Council.

        Chumachenko always shies away from direct answers to questions about what she did in the service of the US government. To clarify the nature of the activity, the names of some of Katerina Chumachenko’s analytical works can be cited: “Arms control”, “Defense issues”, “International strategic ties”, “Coalition for strategic defense initiative”, “American friends of the Anti-Bolshevik Bloc of Nations”, “Soviet Union / Soviet ties ”,“ Arms control - OSV-2 ”,“ Arms export reform ”,“ American-Yugoslav relations ”,“ American-Croat relations ”,“ Macedonia ”,“ Religion in the USSR ”,“ Ukrainian Catholics ”.

        To date, access to 99,9% of these materials requires permission from the CIA, that is, under the heading secret (and above, for example, top secret, top secret ...). From 971 !!! works of the wife of the President of Ukraine - only 4 are available without prior permission !!!.

        In the photo she is young, at the congress of some Nazi-racist sect ...
        1. Denis
          Denis 24 March 2013 05: 06 New
          +1
          Quote: JACOB
          Katherine-Claire Chumachenko

          So maybe orange gayfolition is not an exact term, rather bed
          From the wife picked up laughing
  16. Vovka levka
    Vovka levka 23 March 2013 11: 39 New
    -1
    Do you really think that in 1991 the USSR was capable of doing something. In 1991, the question was whether the USSR would be. This is firstly, secondly why did he even climb into Kuwait? What is inadequate man? What was stopping him from Kuwait? It’s the same when a stoned (buh) man climbs with an ax to the people’s house and gets a ball there, and you run to save him poor little one.
    А насчёт социалистического выбора, стоила только какому то "Тумбе Юмбе" заявить о любви к идеалам марксизма-ленинизма и сразу понеслась братская помощь в виде техники, людей. Поинтересуйтесь сколько подарили этим братьям так званым, и это ещё в тех ценах. А эти "благодарные" ржут потом с нас, ну лохи эти "Советы".
    1. Dante Alighieri
      Dante Alighieri 23 March 2013 12: 09 New
      0
      Actually, Sadam always paid the bills. Since 1958, arms worth 30.5 billion dollars have been delivered to Iraq. Of this amount, at least 22.4 billion dollars have been paid (including oil, which was subsequently sold on the world market). The current debt of Iraq in this way amounts to 8.5 billion dollars. By the way, the current Iraqi government also recognizes its debt obligations to Russia and is ready to start paying off the remaining debt in the near future.
      What about Kuwait. Dear, have you seen the map for a long time? For Saddam Kuwait, that for Peter the Great, the northwestern territories on which Petersburg was built. You know, there are no unnecessary access to the sea. I am already silent about the resource base.
      Quote: Vovka Levka
      стоила только какому то "Тумбе Юмбе" заявить о любви к идеалам марксизма-ленинизма и сразу понеслась братская помощь в виде техники, людей. Поинтересуйтесь сколько подарили этим братьям так званым, и это ещё в тех ценах.
      “Didn't the amers do the same, huh?” Didn’t they prepare the majahideen, who then turned against them?
    2. Dante Alighieri
      Dante Alighieri 23 March 2013 12: 12 New
      +2
      Actually, Sadam always paid the bills. Since 1958, arms worth 30.5 billion dollars have been delivered to Iraq. Of this amount, at least 22.4 billion dollars have been paid (including oil, which was subsequently sold on the world market). The current debt of Iraq in this way amounts to 8.5 billion dollars. By the way, the current Iraqi government also recognizes its debt obligations to Russia and is ready to start paying off the remaining debt in the near future.
      What about Kuwait. Dear, have you seen the map for a long time? For Saddam Kuwait, that for Peter the Great, the northwestern territories on which Petersburg was built. You know, there are no unnecessary access to the sea. I am already silent about the resource base.
      Quote: Vovka Levka
      стоила только какому то "Тумбе Юмбе" заявить о любви к идеалам марксизма-ленинизма и сразу понеслась братская помощь в виде техники, людей. Поинтересуйтесь сколько подарили этим братьям так званым, и это ещё в тех ценах.

      “Didn't the amers do the same, huh?” Didn’t they prepare the majahideen, who then turned against them?
      1. Vovka levka
        Vovka levka 23 March 2013 12: 45 New
        -4
        What goes around comes around.
        А насчёт выхода к морю и так далее, если так рассуждать то оправдать можно все, любое "свершение".
        Good intentions lead to hell.
  17. Terminator
    Terminator 23 March 2013 11: 53 New
    +7
    "...главарь Ирака..." - нет, Саддам не главарь, он великий лидер, патриот своей страны! В отличие от того же Горби. Именно поэтому у Горбачева на шее оказалась медаль, а у Хусейна - "галстук"
    1. Drosselmeyer
      Drosselmeyer 23 March 2013 13: 01 New
      +3
      Yeah, good patriot. He participated in several coups, then unleashed an insane eight (!!!) summer war with Iran. Somehow I got out of the war on the verge of defeat, but borrowed huge loans from my neighbors. And three years after the end of the eight-year war, he climbed into Kuwait again substituting his people for bombs. Then a shameful defeat and ten years of fluttering in power. And also, as the great ruler Saddam periodically poisoned the citizens of his country with mustard gas. Great patriot.
      Saddam is an ordinary eastern despod-adventurer with big, not justified ambitions. Hanged and not sorry.
      1. Terminator
        Terminator 24 March 2013 12: 40 New
        +1
        У каждого свое понимание потриотизма. Но нынешние проамериканские "главари Ирака" и Саддам - две большие разницы, на мой взгляд.
  18. homosum20
    homosum20 23 March 2013 12: 42 New
    +1
    Yes, I think if everyone whom the tagged threw spits on his bald head, he will drown.
  19. predator.3
    predator.3 23 March 2013 12: 46 New
    +2
    Помню, как-то читал " Крещение огнем: Звезда пленительного риска" Максима Калашникова, что-то типа фантастики или точнее альтернатива " Буре пустыне", а ведь будь тогда на месте "меченого" кто-нибудь другой, волевой Лидер , амеры могли бы получить второй вьетнам.
  20. 76rtbr
    76rtbr 23 March 2013 13: 27 New
    -1
    Quote: Zhzhuk

    who can explain to me why the USSR depended on oil prices, because then, as I understand it, almost all the necessary goods for people were produced in the country, moreover, oil. What kind of import did the country depend on that it needed to sell oil. Or was the USSR like Russia of the late 90s with defeated collective farms, factories ...?


    I explain that in the USSR the domestic market was calculated in rubles, and in order to enter the foreign market the rubles didn’t go, we need a currency (to buy gold, MiG-15 technology engines and so on) and they sold oil.
    1. I think so
      I think so 23 March 2013 13: 59 New
      +3
      No need to write nonsense ... the USSR was in no way dependent on oil exports. He had TOTAL resources and people enough, the only thing missing was the brains of the leaders. Reorient the economy from the military industry to the production of consumer goods, modernize a LITTLE agriculture and ALL no problems. And oil was sold in order to support FOREIGN FRIENDS. And that was right, now without any friends Russia is selling five times more oil and has ten times MORE problems ... And all from the lack of BRAINS in the leadership ...
      1. Alone
        Alone 23 March 2013 20: 17 New
        0
        One way or another, but the collapse of the USSR economy happened precisely because of the collusion of p-e-indos with the Arab countries. Oil.
        My question is, why are p-e-indos not allowed to be called by their name?
      2. Stalinets
        Stalinets 25 March 2013 07: 10 New
        0
        After Yevsey Liberman, as an economic adviser to Khrushchev, began perestroika, the collapse of the USSR became a matter of time. And the fifth column made sure that this process went as they needed. Whoever needs to be poisoned on time .... Chazov did this ... yes
    2. Denis
      Denis 23 March 2013 16: 47 New
      +1
      Quote: 76rtbr
      buy gold, technology-engines on the MiG-15 and so on
      About engines, etc. it’s clear, but gold ...
      As if their own were washed enough and correct, not Turkish-gypsy samples
      1. Egoza
        Egoza 24 March 2013 00: 44 New
        0
        Quote: 76rtbr
        and in order to enter the foreign market, rubles didn’t go, you need a currency (buy gold

        А с чего срочно золото покупать потребовалось? Раньше даже 1 рубль был обеспечен золотом, о чем соответствующая надпись была. А потом как то эти надписи "исчезли". Да и сам рубль дороже доллара был! КТО СТРАНУ ОГРАБИЛ?
        1. Beck
          Beck 24 March 2013 14: 30 New
          -1
          Quote: Egoza
          Раньше даже 1 рубль был обеспечен золотом, о чем соответствующая надпись была. А потом как то эти надписи "исчезли". Да и сам рубль дороже доллара был! КТО СТРАНУ ОГРАБИЛ?


          You are confusing something. The ruble was to be provided with all the wealth of the country. And in those years, this was with any currency. That is, the currency was provided by the total value of pre-valued metals, factories, factories, cattle, grain and so on. That is, the entire aggregate product of the country.

          Towards the end of the USSR, the ruble was weak, since the aggregate product of the USSR was inferior to the aggregate product of leading countries. And the fact that the ruble is more expensive than gold, this was done artificially for propaganda purposes. As soon as the ruble entered the world arena on its own, it collapsed.

          Now the old system that the currency corresponds to the aggregate product of the country is a thing of the past. Now some other mechanisms are working, this should be asked by specialists. Now currencies live in some kind of independent life. Example. Dallar USA, it travels so much around the world that its nominal amount is much higher than the total US product. And the US economy is still not collapsing. The same can be said about the yen and the euro. In general, central banks print the right amount of currency without looking back at the country's total product. It's my opinion.
  21. nickname 1 and 2
    nickname 1 and 2 23 March 2013 13: 56 New
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    When God wants to punish a person, he robs his mind!
    And God, marks!

    If you recall, because the fact that this is a slut we saw. And if you saw what you expected?
    The question is, why did God deprive him of his mind? Indeed, in that chatter there wasn’t any hint of reasonable speech!

    What were we waiting for? Met an empty man with a near. As a result, the collapse of the country.

    You have to pay for everything! For connivance, first of all!
  22. Makarov
    Makarov 23 March 2013 17: 37 New
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    hmm .... but in Germany they carry it on their hands -Gorby connected their country and ruined ours ... (didn’t turn to say his own language)
  23. Terrible ensign
    Terrible ensign 23 March 2013 18: 59 New
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    Greetings, colleagues!
    Нас предали в 1985 году... А до того периодически обманывали "кремлевские старцы" в принципе не способные реально полноценно работать.
    1. С 1985 года М.С. Горбачев (А.Н. Яковлев, Э.А. Шеварднадзе и ряд деятелей иже с ними), встав ("демократически" избранными) вначале во главе партии, а затем и государства осуществляли передовую политику гласности и демократизации, впоследствии названную "новым мЫшлением". Поддержка нового курса в управлении страной была весьма массовой, если не общенародной. (НУ, СЕБЕ ТО ЛГАТЬ НЕ БУДЕМ...) По факту - кризис в партии привёл ревизионистов, последние кардинально изменили политику, как внутреннюю, так и внешнюю, сдав всё положительное в стране, чем мог гордится простой советский человек (Прозрение у народа наступило значительно позже).
    2. К 1991 году Союз у же лихорадило (Баку, Сумгаит, Фергана, Карабах), начат вывод ГСВ из Европы... Национальные элиты республик хотят независимости и собственной реальной власти. Народ читал газеты, в которых "благоглупый демократический" бред соседствовал с хроникой из горячих точек, и ни черта не понимал, зато приобщался к общемировым ценностям.
    3. The first president and his people betrayed all the allies of the present (and potential) countries after their people.
    3. Саддам Хусейн, всё же, изначально был лидером БААС главой государства, с безусловной, восточной спецификой, т.е. деспотом, а по другому у арабов не получается (менталитет, особенности мировосприятия, нац.характер...) Но, он всегда четко проводил политику выгоды для своей страны... "Хоть с чертом, хоть с ангелом, но чтобы Ираку было выгодно".

    У нас же - с момента заключения русско-французского военного союза в конце 19 века, национальные государственные интересы начинают отступать на второй план в угоду а) личным интересам правителей, б)интересам союзников, в)идеологическим "трендам". Только период со второй половины 20 х до конца 40 х годов ХХ века диктовался исключительно общегосударственными интересами. Пора прагматиков возвращать.
    1. Frunze
      Frunze 25 March 2013 00: 07 New
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      I absolutely agree with your opinion hi
  24. barbiturate
    barbiturate 23 March 2013 19: 51 New
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    Горбачев, несомненно предатель Родины, под маской демократии, он развалил страну и людей, так, как могла сделать только трехлетняя девочка "Все убрать и вперед". Такую демократию, мог дать любой бич с поворотни, а вот сделать, чтото похожее на Китай, уже нужны мозги. Один Горби, свинтус и предатель страны, не виноват во всем. Была куча генералов и министров, они куда смотрели? Не смогли? тода их цена, одряхлели, не смогли зарулить, как Николай Второй в свое время, итог: Победа НЕ РУКОВОДИТЕЛЕЙ, а это фатально для страны, что творят с моей родиной и народом...твари
  25. Alone
    Alone 23 March 2013 20: 13 New
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    Labeled \\\\\\, I hope he ends his life very badly. How much trouble he has done.
  26. uizik
    uizik 23 March 2013 20: 40 New
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    There were reasons for the collapse of the USSR. One and the main thing is betrayal!
  27. Ulysses
    Ulysses 23 March 2013 20: 56 New
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    Молодое поколение забыло "государственного деятеля"Горбачёва ещё при жизни этого иудушки.
    Significantly, however.
  28. Kotleopold
    Kotleopold 23 March 2013 22: 55 New
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    Humpback - to the wall. am
  29. Dimych from Vanino
    Dimych from Vanino 24 March 2013 05: 46 New
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    Why is it interesting that no one is submitting initiatives to consider and evaluate rulers in life. Great ... popularly ... and then expose ... the cult of personality ... betrayal, etc. .... when it does not even bring a sense of justice ...
  30. Goldmitro
    Goldmitro 24 March 2013 13: 56 New
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    Всюду, где "побывал" горбатый пересТРОЕЧНИК, остались его несмываемые следы - безмозглость, подлость и предательство. Так он и останется в истории как главный нобелевский ИУДА! Остается только надеятся, что настанет время, когда Россия проявит политическую волю и, по крайней мере, даст официальную оценку "деятельностиэтого предателя!
  31. aleshka
    aleshka 24 March 2013 15: 17 New
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    I think the collapse of the USSR began much earlier !! When a Soviet soldier came to Europe and returned from there with trophies !! So the USSR began to get drawn into a consumer society, we are seeing a peak now !!!
  32. aleshka
    aleshka 24 March 2013 15: 18 New
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    There was only one way out for Stalin to live at least one hundred years!
    1. Allegedly
      Allegedly 26 March 2013 01: 27 New
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      Quote: Alesha
      Stalin lived at least


      I consider Stalin, with all due respect and criticism of this extraordinary and great personality, Ivan the Terrible v.2.0 ...

      Also fought against boyars, sorry Bolsheviks, also won power from them, there were also their Shuiskys and their Kurbs. He also cared about the people, and hung boyars, sorry, he fought democratic methods against the Bolsheviks of the Leninist clan.

      Something too many coincidences, it seems to me, to see the villain story has a tendency to repeat itself ...
  33. Boa kaa
    Boa kaa 24 March 2013 16: 46 New
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    Quote: JACOB
    in one expensive store he (yes he) stole a bottle of wine (probably not cheap). And not by mistake, but with his own hand tore off * a squeaker * on a bottle, so that the output would not beep.

    Мне стыдно, что такой "мелкий воришка" рулил свехдержавой. Не понятно: почему кантора просмотрела этого агента влияния? А если знали, то почему не нашлось нашего Ли Гарольд Освальда?
    1. Bas luis
      Bas luis 6 May 2013 15: 04 New
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      The collapse of the USSR began in the year 76 when werewolves such as Kravchuk Yeltsin humpbacked and the like twisted the thieves in their favor and they came to power and ...
  34. Hudo
    Hudo 24 March 2013 20: 10 New
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    This humpback ................... ............................ A.A. Gromyko, in 1985 at a meeting of the Politburo of the Central Committee of the CPSU in Moscow, nominated the head of the Communist Party of the Soviet Union. WHY???????????????????????????????????????????
    Any collective farm chairman would be a more worthy candidate.
    1. Bas luis
      Bas luis 6 May 2013 15: 00 New
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      Humpback judged as a traitor in wartime
      America imposed its deceitful democracy
      Only there is no this democracy and there are der6mokrada
  35. Stalinets
    Stalinets 25 March 2013 07: 04 New
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    The usual Trotskyist. Dumb, ambitious and greedy. This scum did not betray anyone. He was never ours or of us. For bribes he did what the brothers on the Masonic lodge ordered. And we thought he was for us .... Oh, we .... yes
  36. z-exit
    z-exit 25 March 2013 11: 00 New
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    Поставил автору статьи "минус" только из-за одной фразы "главарь Ирака".
    Dear, next time be a little more respectful to the people of Iraq and its rule!
    1. Allegedly
      Allegedly 26 March 2013 01: 54 New
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      We already went through this, maybe in some newspaper newspaper a young journalist accidentally broke through a censorship cordon, and didn’t pay attention to the rest * by the machine *. And maybe for the view it was necessary to insert * supposedly criticism * ...

      Well done, he, and respect for him, and bow to the ground ...

      Russia is an occupied country, and * respect and respect * to such reporters, namely reporters, not prostitutes. Who brought the truth to the people ...

      And what is even the whole life of Gorbachev against one word of Saddam, even with all the criticism of the same Hussein? ...

      Dirty dirt ...
  37. Allegedly
    Allegedly 26 March 2013 01: 43 New
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    Quote: JACOB
    Quote: Alesha
    Stalin lived at least


    I consider Stalin, with all due respect and criticism of this extraordinary and great personality, Ivan the Terrible v.2.0 ...

    Also fought against boyars, sorry Bolsheviks, also won power from them, there were also their Shuiskys and their Kurbs. He also cared about the people, and hung boyars, sorry, democratic methods fought against the undemocratic Bolsheviks of the Leninist clan.

    Something too many coincidences, it seems to me, to see the villain story has a tendency to repeat itself ...
  38. Seaman
    Seaman 29 March 2013 22: 32 New
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    Humpback hang in one place!
  39. Bas luis
    Bas luis 6 May 2013 14: 20 New
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    If you attach a hunchback to a pillar on Red Square and that everyone spits on his face, Gorbachev will drown in the spit of the people
  40. Bas luis
    Bas luis 6 May 2013 14: 39 New
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    USSR The country of good, for the common people, on the whole planet EARTH
    US evil empire for the entire planet EARTH
    USA for thieves of oligarchs, exploiters
    To whom and to which politicians one can say thanks, and to whom to spit in the face, of course, Gorbachev Yeltsin Kravchuk Yushan Svanidze, etc., people deserve spitting.
    And Stalin deserves from the common people only THANKS !!!!

    Under Stalin, the borders of the USSR occupied the largest territory on the world map, under his strict guidance, victory was achieved in the Second World War.
    Under Stalin, after the aftermath of the war, the salaries increased annually, and the prices of the most significant goods fell
    STALIN is our pride in STALIN needs to learn, these not far-sighted politicians liars how to build a state for a simple PEOPLE !!!
    Thanks to Stalin for our homeland, the USSR was something to be proud of !!
    Thanks to Stalin for our childhood, under his leadership in the USSR, schools were built for the pioneer house with different circles, photos, radio, model aircraft, etc.
    where youth received the best education in the world, we need such a president, STALIN IS THE PRIDE OF THE SOVIET PEOPLE !!!
  41. Bas luis
    Bas luis 6 May 2013 15: 11 New
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    It’s our duty to open our eyes about the truth of the one that was stolen from us, pass it on, everyone should know. The people should know the truth, who rules Ukraine and in other republics of the USSR — these are the ones that harmed the USSR and ruined a great power !! And now they all have power and tearing to power, but brought to power these unscrupulous KRAVCHUK YELTSIN SUSHKEVICH which must be judged by wartime ..
    Сегодняшние лжедемократы президенты в отличие от Сталина выражает интересы кучки сверхбогатых "олигархов".И КЛИЧКО ОДИН ИЗ НИХ так как он с бандитами лжецами и подлецами которые чернят всю нашу историю о СССР! Особенно со стороны тех кто за ЕС НАТО Америки за капиталистов- это шайка предателей которые хотят уничтожить наш народ и Украину.У нас был один патриот нашего народа это СТАЛИН! Сталин действовал в интересах всего народа. То что сделал Сталин для простого народа ни один президент мира не смог поднять страну за такой короткий срок как Сталин