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Terrible "Topol" defenseless before drones and saboteurs

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Rosinformbyuro publishes an article by Sergei Storozhevsky. Veteran Strategic Missile Forces proposes to immediately begin to create a system to ensure the guaranteed infliction of unacceptable damage to the aggressor. A number of provisions of this article are debatable. We remind you that the opinion of the author may not coincide with the position of the editorial board.


At the beginning of the 21, the US military machine reached a new level of development and increased its enormous advantage in the practical implementation of breakthrough technologies:
- Combat lasers and electromagnetic guns were created;
- hypersonic percussion systems brought to flight tests;
- The air force is equipped with fifth-generation aircraft;
- NASA switched to the use of reusable unmanned spacecraft;
- The Pentagon has launched an all-out system for monitoring the earth's surface and has begun to create a global missile defense system.

And this is just the beginning of the list. For obvious reasons, which makes no sense to list, our country can not compete on equal terms with America. Russia is left with the only way to maintain its position - the departure from the traditional military rivalry. It is necessary to compensate for the relative weakness of the military-industrial potential by creating a flexible System for Ensuring the Guaranteed Dealing of Unacceptable Damage (SOGNNU). The main feature of SOGNNU should be its effectiveness in the application of a preemptive strike on our territory.

Now the Russian Federation has the forces of nuclear deterrence of land, sea and air basing. Their basis, according to the degree of assurance of use, consists of the Strategic Missile Forces (RVSN). Today missiles on stationary and mobile launchers are on combat duty. Combat duty in constant readiness ensures missile launch for approximately a minute after receiving an order.

The most effective were heavy missiles with separable warheads (MFS) and a comprehensive system for overcoming the missile defense system. The range of their action allowed to hit targets not only along the paths of the lowest energies. The probability of delivery of the payload was significantly higher than 90%.

Land-based stationary missiles are located in protected launchers and are concentrated in positional areas. These areas are covered by air defense, and the activities of the intelligence network and sabotage units in them are difficult.

Launchers (PU) and command posts (CP) of the stationary type are well protected structures capable of withstanding an overpressure of up to 200 kg per square centimeter and remain operational during the passage of seismic waves caused by the explosion of a nuclear weapon.

A completely different situation arises with mobile strategic complexes. They are on duty in places of permanent deployment in positions that protect only from precipitation. Overpressure 0,3 kg per cm. Square destroys the complex. On the march "Topol" and "Yarsy" almost defenseless. The thickness of the carbon-fiber shell of a solid-fuel rocket is less than a millimeter, and launch containers do not even protect against bullets. Thus, any clash will make it impossible to launch a rocket.

Back in the course of Operation Storm in the Desert, the sabotage groups of the British and American Special Forces showed their effectiveness against the mobile tactical complexes of Iraq. Being at a distance of 2-2,5 km, they are guaranteed to incapacitate the rocket, using special sniper rifle weapons. For this it was enough to hit one bullet in the contour of the rocket.

Development of technologies in the field of portable anti-aircraft complexes, robotics, UAVs, high-precision large-caliber long-range sniper weapons, robotics and automatic combat modules, provide new opportunities in the neutralization of strategic missiles right above their deployment area.

Currently, the United States is continuously monitoring the strategic objects of the Strategic Missile Forces. Only irresponsible managers may think that a column of large-sized equipment, stretching on the march up to a kilometer, making noise in a 100-120 decibel and leaving a clear gauge on the ground, can secretly leave the area of ​​permanent dislocation and advance to the new position without notice.

In peacetime, the territory of modern Russia is no longer safe for both citizens and protected objects. There should be no illusions, it is enough to systematically analyze the reports of incidents.

I repeat: mobile soil strategic complexes such as Topol, Topol-M, Yars, Avangard are extremely vulnerable and cannot guarantee unacceptable damage to the enemy.

Under these conditions, it is impossible to spend money on inefficient projects.

What projects should be considered effective?

Projects that are guaranteed to cause unacceptable damage to the enemy. We should not set goals to win the war from the United States, this time is long gone. We must create a system capable of offline, given the parameters of a critical situation, cause unacceptable damage to the enemy. A critical situation could be the destruction of our headquarters and command and control systems. A critical situation is the loss of a signal between the System of Retribution (SIGNS) and our Command Points.

Who should be directed against SIGN?

First of all, SOGNNU should be directed against the USA and Great Britain, and also, unfortunately, against the satellite countries. All this together is somewhat beyond the scope of NATO.

What is unacceptable damage?

Unacceptable damage can be considered such a loss or change in the habitat, in which the decision-making center will avoid creating a critical situation that automatically triggers SOGNNU.

The concept of unacceptable damage applies to the following areas:
- military infrastructure and personnel of the armed forces;
- industry;
- infrastructure;
- population;
- ecology;
- elite.

The destruction of the elite, in the sense of the center responsible for making a fatal decision, would be the most fair and effective.

The most vulnerable targets are habitat, population, infrastructure and industry. There should be no illusions, Earth, this is a large submarine and responsibility is shared among all crew members.

Terrible "Topol" defenseless before drones and saboteursWhat to do?

On the basis of clear goals and opportunities, as well as time, it is necessary to concentrate resources on the most effective and realistic directions for creating SOGNNU. We have groundwork, we do not start from zero.

Just look at the vast marine areas around the United States, Britain and their satellites. There may be many options. Placement of ground stationary high-power mines with anti-handling devices. Placement of autonomous "sleeping" submarine launchers of ballistic and cruise missiles located at optimal distances from targets, the use of ammunition causing maximum damage to the environment, etc.

The development strategy of our security system should not consist in the crazy injection of resources into advanced, but traditional weapons systems, they will not save us. We must act unexpectedly, quickly and competently. When in a dark alley you were surrounded by a group of thugs with the intention to kill, the rules and codes of honor are inappropriate. Perhaps this is the only case where the goal — the defense of the Motherland — justifies any means.

How much time do we have left?

There is not much time left. The prototypes of Western hypersonic devices, laser systems, drone UAVs and the latest anti-missile missiles will soon become operational models of military equipment and will go into service. This will upset the delicate balance of strategic forces and make our country defenseless in the face of any, even non-nuclear, attack from the developed West. The only way to prevent this sad scenario is the immediate implementation of the elements of the System for Ensuring the Guaranteed Dealing of Unacceptable Damage to the Aggressor.
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  1. Dante
    Dante Alighieri 24 July 2013 07: 18 New
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    I fully agree with the author of the article.
    PS: I liked the abbreviation - “I WILL FOLLOW”, I believe we will bend to the ram’s horn, if we manage to improve the situation, otherwise ........
    1. an-sar
      an-sar 24 July 2013 08: 07 New
      16
      And how do we BEND? Education: higher, secondary technical, technical, destroyed, specialists who were raised and trained in the USSR are retired, and those who should replace us with all legal and economic education do not want to work in production !!!!
      1. Grenader
        Grenader 24 July 2013 09: 54 New
        13
        Quote: an-sar
        Education: higher, secondary technical, technical
        By you it is noticeable that it is destroyed.
      2. Wedmak
        Wedmak 24 July 2013 10: 03 New
        +7
        Education: higher, secondary technical, technical

        Who wanted, he studied. And not a lawyer or manager. And now programming contests win, and create new technologies. Only about it do not yell at every corner for some reason.
        and those who should replace us with all legal and economic education do not want to work in production !!!!

        Why, they want ... only they want to sit in the office, manage and receive a lot of dough. But I think their time is drawing to a close.
        1. Joker
          Joker 24 July 2013 13: 18 New
          +3
          Who wanted, he studied. And not a lawyer or manager. And now programming contests win, and create new technologies. Only about it do not yell at every corner for some reason.

          100 + good Our graduates of schools and universities with enviable regularity win world competitions in various sciences, where they found the opportunity to learn somewhere. Raise your children and give them more time, otherwise they stopped yelling in the cradle and that's it, live your life, so 2000 p. per month can be found on the tutor, smoking, drinking, throw your money on it, and your health. Instead of baths with friends, it would be better to spend time with the children, otherwise we leave mothers to be raised, and the woman is impulsive and emotional, raising a normal man will not work for her, because, excuse me for chauvinism, but the progress of the men is moving. And yet, it seems like our parents choose at 90% university for a child, and not the child himself, so don’t give it to a lawyer. If you want to grow up a scientist, so from his childhood prepare him, read all kinds of scientific literature, the child takes an example from his parents and all the norms of behavior from him. As they say, an apple does not fall far from an apple tree.
          1. Joker
            Joker 24 July 2013 13: 28 New
            +1
            About poor education
            Graduates Nikita Shlapakov and Yevgeny Gulyak won a gold medal, and their peer Artem Boychuk and tenth grader Mikhail Yagofarov won silver at the 45 World Chemistry Olympiad for Schoolchildren.


            Fundamentally new drive from Nizhny Novgorod schoolchildren “Digital sandwich”, or “digital sandwich” - this is how the schoolchildren named their invention, which presumably makes it possible to save a terabyte of information on A4 format media to 28.


            These are only the most recent events. Recently, our programmers also took first place. Here you have an example, who is looking for, he will always find.
            1. loft79
              loft79 24 July 2013 16: 33 New
              +5
              Quote: Joker
              Graduates Nikita Shlapakov and Evgeny Gulyak won the gold medal, while their peer Artem Boychuk and the tenth grader Mikhail Yagofarov won silver at the 45th World Chemistry Olympiad


              An exception. Many medalists cannot work in all enterprises at once. no It talks about mass education. Including secondary vocational. I know several fairly young people (good people), one delivers pizza, another courier in the office, etc. Sadness.
              1. Joker
                Joker 24 July 2013 16: 45 New
                -1
                An exception. Many medalists cannot work in all enterprises at once.

                What does an exception mean? If the statement that education was destroyed correctly, then where did the exceptions then come from? So they found where the opportunity to learn? And if found, it means not destroyed.
                1. loft79
                  loft79 24 July 2013 17: 15 New
                  +5
                  There are gifted children who have a very strong desire for knowledge. They’ll sit better at home, read, than go outside to drive football. Go to chess clubs. From the 5th grade they are engaged in programming. Then they hire tutors, etc.

                  BUT, the bulk are ordinary children who need a strong school. I watched the program, so there the teachers from universities say that the guys are coming and they need to bring their first year to secondary education, knowledge is very weak.
                  And those who are not at the university with what luggage will remain?

                  + Exceptions confirm the rules)
            2. papas-57
              papas-57 26 July 2013 06: 02 New
              +1
              There are gifted children, the Russian land is not impoverished for talents. But our state must do everything so that such nuggets work for the good of Russia, and not for private capital. And here our officials, busy stuffing money into their pockets, lose, they do not care about the interests of the state. And gifted guys go to private firms, where working conditions and salaries are better. While our officials will not give a damn about the interests of the state, nothing will change
          2. old man54
            old man54 25 July 2013 16: 14 New
            +3
            Quote: Joker
            Our graduates of schools and universities with enviable regularity win world competitions in various sciences, they found an opportunity to study somewhere.

            weird. you don’t see. what a system !! education is broken, old. Soviet. Win against Western peers! lol Well, probably these are those who still managed to learn from the old method, and Sasma's education system dies of course, but it doesn’t die of course, this process takes time! And are they competing with whom there? smile With the guys who already live in the USE system, i.e. with the same as they are! Then think for yourself! And most importantly, do not entertain yourself with illusions, it is very dangerous, believe me!
      3. воронов
        воронов 24 July 2013 19: 01 New
        +4
        Quote: an-sar
        those who should replace us with all legal and economic education do not want to work in production !!!!

        And with all this, the vast majority of lawyers and economists are not
    2. Skiff
      Skiff 24 July 2013 11: 34 New
      +4
      Rename it to NAGNU or BROKEN, well, to be honest, the Perimeter system was there, maybe it even exists, then it seems to be rebuilding the Battle Railway Missile Complex of the BZHRK, but this is what is known, but what is unknown is it is not known, probably in the bins of the motherland lies a miracle weapon about which they do not trynd at every step.
      1. an-sar
        an-sar 24 July 2013 20: 11 New
        +1
        Yes, this weapon may be! But when was it designed and designed ????
    3. SHILO
      SHILO 24 July 2013 15: 44 New
      0
      The article is dumb (minus clearly).

      They are trying to convince me that the line on mobility is fundamentally wrong and they give me dumb arguments about the type of missile defense cover and seismic protection.

      Yes, none of the missile defense systems will help if your coordinates are known - I assume that the author is paid and that the ears stick out of the pentagon.
      1. a52333
        a52333 24 July 2013 17: 34 New
        +4
        Yes, and Amerovsky "divorce" about combat lasers. They got more than a billion dollars in him. and effect = 0. They are lovers of "show off" to take, then lasers, then SDI, so I think they embellish (pay attention to North Korea: they are ** ali) so it is still not clear to the end. there or not, if there is. then what range?
      2. DEMENTIY
        DEMENTIY 25 July 2013 15: 51 New
        +1
        SHILO
        The article is dumb (minus clearly).

        They are trying to convince me that the line on mobility is fundamentally wrong and they give me dumb arguments about the type of missile defense cover and seismic protection.

        Yes, none of the missile defense systems will help if your coordinates are known - I assume that the author is paid and that the ears stick out of the pentagon.


        BJRD was cut under this sauce.
      3. yak69
        yak69 25 July 2013 23: 50 New
        0
        Quote: SHILO
        I suppose that the author is paid and that the ears stick out of the pentagon.

        Maybe the author is paid, BUT, as they say in the army: it’s better to over-do than under-do!
        They don’t need to be afraid, but they need to prepare and build new systems, including the BZHRK.
        Here, still in the power to restore order and we will turn the mountains! Remove from there iPhone, Dvorkovich, Lebanon, etc. change Putin to a normal patriot-statesman and then everything will be fine!
        1. yak69
          yak69 26 July 2013 00: 11 New
          0
          I agree to change Putin to Shoigu. As a last resort, on S. Ivanov or V. Zubkov. It certainly won’t be worse!
    4. AVV
      AVV 24 July 2013 15: 48 New
      +6
      It is urgent to restore railway complexes, the Americans are most afraid of them, they are well camouflaged, for different types of cars, the speed of change of positions is large, the launch time is short !!! The issue of placing at least RSD in sea containers and launching missiles from any platform is being worked out , similarly to a club, from autotrailers, cargo barges, or railway platforms !!!
    5. Sinichnik
      Sinichnik 26 July 2013 16: 23 New
      +1
      The article is disturbing. But even more alarming are the reviews of specialists. Here is what General Kanchukov says:

      http://rosinform.ru/2013/07/25/kanchukov-spetspodrazdeleniya-rvsn--ne-sposobny-z
      aschitit-topolya-ot-diversantov /
    6. Sinichnik
      Sinichnik 26 July 2013 20: 13 New
      +1
      And here is a continuation of the topic. Kanchukov said that with his fighters for 3 years in a row, with one hundred percent probability, "put Poplar out of action"

      http://rosinform.ru/2013/07/25/kanchukov-spetspodrazdeleniya-rvsn--ne-sposobny-z
      aschitit-topolya-ot-diversantov /
  2. vitek1233
    vitek1233 24 July 2013 07: 22 New
    +3
    Earth is definitely a very large submarine
  3. Son
    Son 24 July 2013 07: 27 New
    12
    "A number of provisions in this article are controversial."
    About what to discuss ..? Personally, I (not a great specialist) do not see the topic for discussion.
    Veteran - correctly states, it is necessary to do.
    1. Setrac
      Setrac 24 July 2013 16: 42 New
      +1
      Quote: Son
      About what to discuss ..?


      - Combat lasers and electromagnetic guns were created;
      - hypersonic percussion systems brought to flight tests;
      - The air force is equipped with fifth-generation aircraft;
      - NASA switched to the use of reusable unmanned spacecraft;
      - The Pentagon has launched an all-out system for monitoring the earth's surface and has begun to create a global missile defense system.

      That's what
      1. Alexander Petrovich
        Alexander Petrovich 24 July 2013 22: 05 New
        +2
        And the point of discussing? The authorities should discuss this, and what is most important to decide. People, aren't you tired? I’m personally tired of commenting, this filthy word is already annoying - NECESSARY, for a long time I have not seen in articles about our army and foreign policy, words such as - Received, Completed, Decided, Acts, Successfully, Excellent, Replenished, Strengthened, Corrected and many many other wonderful words.
  4. Ivan79
    Ivan79 24 July 2013 07: 29 New
    +4
    It is necessary to accelerate the development of a new version of the BZHRK. If it really began to develop.
    1. cosmos111
      cosmos111 24 July 2013 10: 44 New
      +5

      Terrible "Topol" defenseless before drones and saboteurs

      There is only one way out. The restoration of production and the arming of the name BZHRK is also used as the proper name for the Soviet missile system 15P961 ,, Molodets ,, (RT-23 UTTKh), the only BZHRK brought to the stage of adoption and serial production. 15P961 ,, Well done ,, stood on combat duty in the Strategic Rocket Forces of the Armed Forces of the USSR and Russia in the period from 1987 to 2005.
      1. leon-iv
        leon-iv 24 July 2013 11: 48 New
        -1
        They were caught by the KGB and the FSB more than once. What do you think the CIA don’t wear them? Well, naive. You try to catch YaRS in Teykovsky forests when the search area is simply huge.
        1. vlbelugin
          vlbelugin 24 July 2013 13: 01 New
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          In Soviet times, our division was covered by a tank formation. Compound BB. Regiment Mig-23. And something from the SAM. But this is all a distant guard belt. The fight against the DRG rested with us. And I will say, from the experience of exercises with the Vitebsk Airborne Division, that the task is very, very difficult. And if technical means of protection were deployed in the field position, then on the march with the protection of the problem.
          With regards to the search for the complex in the Teykovo forests, the satellites detect at a time. Several times, in the Belarusian forests, during the exercises we took pictures of positions from our satellites. There is only one verdict - the target is detected, but not recognized.
          1. leon-iv
            leon-iv 24 July 2013 15: 07 New
            +1
            Now the amers have a lower pipe and smoke smoother, and the favorite book of missile rockets is a chart of the passage of satellites. And the special building there dug up caponiers competently
      2. Romario_Omsk
        Romario_Omsk 24 July 2013 13: 17 New
        +2
        in recent years, the truth is only on the siding ... but this is a real danger for the United States, and that is why they "got rid" of it ....
  5. Refund_SSSR
    Refund_SSSR 24 July 2013 07: 41 New
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    Any structures (movable and immovable) are defenseless before saboteurs and traitors.
    What is it all about?
    Which country is protected from this type of activity?
    We must act unexpectedly, quickly and competently. When a group of bandits surrounded you in the dark alley with the intention of killing, the rules and codes of honor are inappropriate.
    Thank you captain evidence ...
    And what is counterintelligence activity in your opinion?
    Why are measures designed to protect against saboteurs?
    Why is secrecy respected and travel routes changed?
    Why is an elementary planned change in communication frequencies and transmission encryption provided?
    Why is any military unit placing sentries and holding a “chip”?
    Well, actually, where does the "Poplar"?
    And is this all reliable protection? (well, to this answer - NO!)
    But all these measures, if there is no traitor, provide a certain level of protection against sabotage and are designed to minimize the risk by as much as possible.

    Well, now tell me, if there is a sufficiently high-ranking traitor who can merge all levels of protection, then why did you get the idea that it is impossible to merge what you proposed? (although what is suggested? the notorious "do something"?)
    This article could not be written by a military man .. This was done by another publicist.
    1. Grenader
      Grenader 24 July 2013 09: 59 New
      +4
      Quote: We refund_SSSR
      Thank you captain evidence ...
      And what is counterintelligence activity in your opinion?
      Why are measures designed to protect against saboteurs?
      Why is secrecy respected and travel routes changed?
      Why is an elementary planned change in communication frequencies and transmission encryption provided?
      Why is any military unit placing sentries and holding a “chip”?
      Well, actually, where does the "Poplar"?
      And is this all reliable protection?

      Optimism is a good thing, but we can’t protect Protons right now, which makes us doubt the effectiveness of counterintelligence
      1. Refund_SSSR
        Refund_SSSR 24 July 2013 10: 02 New
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        “Protons” are ruined by the most common corruption / theft, negligence and treason.
        With these problems, turn not to the military, but rather to Putin himself, for betrayal and corruption in the ranks of the authorities close to him (Serdyuki, Chubais and other ministers).
        “Protons” cannot be protected with ordinary patrols and do not sit in “secret”, but you cannot catch this saboteur because he is inside the system.
        So if a traitor sits so high, then what are you, together with the author, going to oppose him ???
        It is not the symptoms that need to be treated, coming up with some kind of futuristic crap around the USA, but to solve the real problem of the country's security!
        And such articles with calls for spraying funds into unrealistic and ineffective projects are one way of sabotage ... Draw conclusions about who the author is.
      2. Wedmak
        Wedmak 24 July 2013 10: 09 New
        -1
        but we can’t protect Protons right now, which makes us doubt the effectiveness of counterintelligence

        Now, let’s go to the “Proton” and the FSB with Putin? There was a violation of the assembly and a violation of the verification of the device before starting. ALL. The space industry is such a thing that any mistake results in huge losses. It’s good if only in iron and money.
        1. Refund_SSSR
          Refund_SSSR 24 July 2013 10: 12 New
          +5
          Quote: Wedmak
          Now, let’s go to the “Proton” and the FSB with Putin?

          Why are you provoking me to doubt your attentiveness?
          I wrote in plain text that
          “Protons” are ruined by the most common corruption / theft, negligence and treason.

          All that you write below just falls under the “negligence” that I mentioned.
          The fact that the “switchman” was brought to responsibility falls into the category of “corruption”.
          The whole situation with the space industry and the Ministry of Defense is treason and treason (under the previous minister).
          What's wrong? Let's already call a spade a spade.
          1. Wedmak
            Wedmak 24 July 2013 10: 17 New
            +1
            Sorry, I wrote a comment, and only then I read yours. But I think the Proton ruined most likely the usual negligence in the assembly and testing and the possible unskilled staff. Why look for complex schemes (if they were, accidents would be more often and with great damage) if everything can be explained more simply?
            1. Refund_SSSR
              Refund_SSSR 24 July 2013 10: 26 New
              +5
              Because in complex engineering systems with a huge level of control (take the engineer’s word for it), there is never anything that is simple and correspondingly simple solutions by definition. Moreover, it is necessary to seek not one solution, but to develop a whole range of measures.

              If the system doesn’t work, then it’s not the fault of the collector who irresponsibly approached the installation of the pressure gauge, but the one who checked the inspector, who checked the one who checked and the person responsible for the verification ... This is of course complete nonsense and play on words, but the work goes like this.

              In any complex production, there are a lot of mechanisms for step-by-step and operational control of production, after each step, each operation is activated by executives and this is only at the level of assembly lines, and there are also workshops in which all nodes are adjusted and tested at the level of nodes, where turn, operations are again activated under the growth of the workshop management.
              And at the end of everything, the reception takes place, which ends with testing the entire product or installation with the mandatory activation in the presence of even more senior officials.

              And you want to tell me that the collector is to blame for this scheme? !!

              Yes, and let's be objective, how can you mix up the elements in places, when the seats usually have "protection from the fool" ?? How can I mix it up?

              To exacerbate the problem.
              The fact is that under especially responsible types of work, only people with a certain tolerance are allowed, and this tolerance can be obtained only if you satisfy certain criteria of knowledge. So how could a person get admission? if he is able to confuse in places elements that could lead to the collapse of the entire product?

              “Proton” is not for you AvtoZAZ for 150 thousand trees, where the collector can use a sledgehammer to pick up the faulty unit, they say all the same do not care and no one checks it.
              1. Wedmak
                Wedmak 24 July 2013 11: 00 New
                -1
                Because in complex engineering systems with a huge level of control (take the engineer’s word for it), there is never anything that is simple and correspondingly simple solutions by definition.

                I believe, the engineer himself. But also the fact that it is very easy to make a mistake - I also readily believe.
                And you want to tell me that the collector is to blame for this scheme? !!

                No, I said that 1) negligence during assembly 2) negligence during inspection and testing 3) qualifications of personnel, both assemblers and the receiver.
                So how could a person get admission? if he is able to confuse in places elements that could lead to the collapse of the entire product?

                Here is a very good question. And nevertheless confused. And passed the control! It turns out that admission is still not a guarantee of high qualification?
                "Proton" - this is not AvtoTAZ for 150 thousand trees

                Who would argue. smile
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    2. tverskoi77
      tverskoi77 24 July 2013 11: 53 New
      0
      As far as I know, the mortar launch at the poplar is intended including to minimize the ability to hit a rocket with small arms.
      I agree with Vernem_SSSR in everything.
      1. vlbelugin
        vlbelugin 24 July 2013 12: 45 New
        +4
        The mortar launch serves only to protect the launcher from the flame of the main engines. For the launcher is designed for n number of starts.
        1. tverskoi77
          tverskoi77 24 July 2013 15: 25 New
          0
          Mortar launch only serves to protect the launcher from flame

          I agree, but partially, the main thing is fuel economy and, accordingly, a decrease in size and weight, and the launch protection is already included.
          And why do you think that a mortar launch does not complicate the task of hitting a rocket at launch?
          1. Wedmak
            Wedmak 24 July 2013 15: 53 New
            +1
            And why do you think that a mortar launch does not complicate the task of hitting a rocket at launch?

            May I answer? Even though a mortar, even ordinary, a rocket at launch and acceleration has a very low speed. And you can even hit her when leaving the TPK with a pistol (though then the ears will fall off and the nose will dry out from the exhaust of the taxiway, but these are trifles already). And you can shoot down from everything, starting with a heavy machine gun.
            Mortar launch saves a little more fuel for initial acceleration.
          2. vlbelugin
            vlbelugin 24 July 2013 22: 53 New
            +1
            Because after the launch, the rocket “freezes” and even begins to sag until the marching engine picks up power. What fuel economy are you talking about?
            Launched in June 1989 at the training ground in Mirny.
    3. Per se.
      Per se. 24 July 2013 20: 00 New
      +1
      Quote: We refund_SSSR
      Well, now tell me if there is a sufficiently high-ranking traitor who can merge all levels of protection
      MS was at the time a rather high-ranking traitor (or a dreamer, as you like). Gorbachev, ruined a great country. We already had a drunk BorIS, in which our missiles were "not aimed anywhere." If now someone comes to power who is promoted by the Yankees, he will already surrender Russia with giblets, and will never use nuclear weapons against those who have his bank accounts, real estate, and kids at prestigious universities. Capitalism is immoral in nature, and now we are clearly not socialism in morality, and not the Soviet Union in military force. Do not sprinkle ash on your head, but you need to be serious about any degree of threat.
  6. RPG_
    RPG_ 24 July 2013 07: 41 New
    0
    What if the failure? And the system will decide that the signal with the headquarters is lost, all our life, then we will work for owls. In this situation, it will be difficult to implement protection from the fool. It’s easier and cheaper to establish a safe exit to the poplars. IMHO.
  7. Volkhov
    Volkhov 24 July 2013 07: 45 New
    +3
    It remains to clarify a couple of details:
    - who is still an adversary (the government is fighting extremism, it suddenly lays the coordinates ...)
    - Whose "Poplar" is currently - maybe you need to write tips in English ...
  8. Nayhas
    Nayhas 24 July 2013 08: 06 New
    +1
    Everything is true, except for the proposal to use the oceans for the secretive deployment of ICBMs and nuclear weapons. The location of these ammunition can be identified and prepared in advance for neutralization. Moreover, there is a high probability of failure for technical reasons, seawater is still an aggressive environment. What does not suit the author of the classic mine ICBMs under the guise of a missile defense system? In terms of resistance to sabotage, they have no equal ...
    1. smirnov
      smirnov 24 July 2013 13: 44 New
      0
      You can use your own closed water areas, and freshwater reservoirs, for example Lake Ladoga ...
      1. POBEDA
        POBEDA 24 July 2013 23: 14 New
        0
        This is prohibited by START1.
        1. Nitup
          Nitup 24 July 2013 23: 38 New
          +1
          START 1 has long ceased to be in force. START3 Now Acting
  9. Dejavu
    Dejavu 24 July 2013 08: 11 New
    +6
    In fact, it is not necessary to hammer on the continent on which the United States is located in order to cause unacceptable damage. To ruin a planet in the trash, it is enough to shy away three or four hundred nuclear warheads anywhere in the world to immerse the planet in a nuclear winter for decades. But this is only if our country has already suffered such damage that there is no life left.

    I remember I made a report with the calculations of scientists that 1% of the current arsenal of nuclear weapons on the planet is enough to destroy almost everything living on Earth. The funny thing is that they are well aware of it above and not only at our top. Therefore, all these arms races, armies, etc. are more likely to be a matter of business and trade. Who will buy socks for the army, and who F22, and who and the submarine a couple of dozen. But the essence is the same - to take from the treasury and maintain the military might of the state, for at any moment we will be attacked. The question is whether a global war would begin on the destruction of our country if Russia didn’t have any troops at all except 1000 poison. the charges that we would explode on our territory, thereby ditching the entire planet in case someone was rocking. A kind of global suicide. Most likely not, I would even say no one would have climbed, BUT then questions like the Syrian would have been resolved very differently.

    Therefore, from our country, first of all, the “Dead Hand” is aka “Perimeter”, so that something global is not in our favor. And also a relatively small, very modern army to solve local problems at a high level. And finally, this is a plan to mobilize the male population under arms, in the event of something not nuclear, but global. As far as I know, such a plan exists to this day, and has not changed much since the days of the USSR.

    Trying to catch up with and overtake the United States with their lasers now is, in my opinion, stupid. Lasers are certainly good, only no one has canceled mirrors. As for hypersound - here it is necessary to catch up. But I think we can handle it. In general, the idea of ​​super tsunamis due to nuclear weapons at the bottom off the coast of the United States is my favorite, although not practical. Wash off all this evil at once and deal with the end. But it’s a pity for peaceful people, because they don’t choose their own government for a long time.
    1. Misantrop
      Misantrop 24 July 2013 09: 57 New
      +4
      Quote: dejavu
      a global war would begin on the destruction of our country if Russia didn’t have any troops at all except 1000 poison. the charges that we would explode on our territory, thereby ditching the entire planet in case someone was rocking. A kind of global suicide. Most likely no

      belay
      Bring a 500 kg high explosive bomb home and tell your neighbors that they will blow it up if they try to rob you. wassat What do you think, how much time will pass before the moment when special forces break into your apartment? Most likely, the wait will not be too long. Here is the same. A massive attack by the media, announcing the leadership of the country by suicidal maniacs, insuring themselves against the attempt to overthrow, complete international isolation and ... meet the "saviors" - NATO special forces ... request And to them, definitely, the "grateful planet" will also applaud ...
      WEAPONS should be aimed at the AGGRESSOR, it’s much harder to isolate in an attempt to make you a monster, and enemies - fighters for universal safety. And the weapon must be powerful and reliable
    2. novobranets
      novobranets 15 August 2013 20: 03 New
      0
      Quote: dejavu
      But this is only if our country has already suffered such damage that there is no life left.

      No wonder it has been said many times, there will be no winners in a nuclear war.
  10. Shadowcat
    Shadowcat 24 July 2013 08: 22 New
    17
    the author you rave ...
    - Combat lasers and electromagnetic guns were created;

    Uguk, the first was abandoned due to budget cuts and inappropriateness because nifiga does not work - there is no better rocket. And the second is, for the time being, similar to the German child prodigy - there are on the drawings, but the performance is pumping up.
    - hypersonic percussion systems brought to flight tests;

    Finished, but for the time being the work has stalled due to the fact that they do not fall. There is no series, so there is no sense in them 0.0. A man has a penis - can he be judged for rape?
    - The air force is equipped with fifth-generation aircraft;

    He would have dragged the F-35 for the kit. F-22 so far in the spirit of the first jet messers - fly, but expensive and not reliable.
    - NASA switched to the use of reusable unmanned spacecraft;

    Something I missed ... By the way, as far as I know, all of our engines on spaceships
    - The Pentagon has launched an all-out system for monitoring the earth's surface and has begun to create a global missile defense system.

    He has been doing missile defense since the time of Reagan and cannot complete it, just like monitoring - if he had, they would have put something on Topol, Yars and BZHRK and other rocket launchers.
    Russia remains the only way to maintain its position - avoiding traditional military rivalry.

    And before, we somehow got out of it differently as if ... And our fleet became submarine, and missiles instead of mine were mobile, well, etc.)
    At a distance of 2-2,5 km, they were guaranteed to incapacitate a missile using special sniper rifle weapons. For this, one hit of a bullet in the missile circuit was enough.

    Oh come on ... but we didn’t know that an armor-piercing bullet could damage a tank with 45mm armor (proved in 41 (I'm talking about anti-tank rifles and their development)).
    The development of technologies in the field of portable anti-aircraft systems, robotics, UAVs, high-precision large-caliber long-range sniper weapons, robotics and automatic warheads provide new opportunities for neutralizing strategic missiles right above their area of ​​deployment.

    And mine mines are carried out even faster by a raid of the same outdated third-generation fighter with concrete-piercing bombs.
    By the way, they forgot to say something that on the march the complex is guarded by agents, air defense systems (do you think mobile complexes are just like that?). By the way, the Tunguska and Shilka complexes shoot on the go - they do not even need to slow down.
    The critical situation is the loss of signal between the Retribution System (BIN) and our Command Points.
    Back to the USSSR ... (c) But we didn’t have this ... it was still in the Soviet country. Learn materiel!
    The thickness of the carbon fiber shell of a solid rocket is less than a millimeter, and the launch containers do not even protect against bullets.
    The armored personnel carrier is also not protected from a bullet. Any missile can be shot down, armor pierced, a person killed. It would be a desire.

    In general, the afftor doesn’t care, the idea is true, but the execution failed. And throwing beautiful names is finally ... In the best points of propaganda.
    1. little man
      little man 24 July 2013 21: 31 New
      -1
      I would agree, but something rockets began to fall ...
  11. radio operator
    radio operator 24 July 2013 08: 28 New
    +2
    In principle, the author is right, although a little thickens.
    One cannot but agree that it is better to "overdo it than underdevelopment".
  12. Dan master
    Dan master 24 July 2013 08: 34 New
    +4
    There is a response system, RVSN RVSN - 15E601 - this is the "Perimeter" system. Russia possesses monstrous weapons of retaliation. If the "situation is ripe", the system itself is transferred to a state of full combat readiness. Now she needs the last factor: the lack of regular signals from the normal strategic missile forces command posts. If the signals have not been received for some time, the Perimeter launches the Apocalypse ... and the entire nuclear triad (from water, from land and air) will bring down its potential, so to speak ...
    1. Alexander borey
      Alexander borey 24 July 2013 08: 39 New
      +2
      System "Perimeter" unfortunately no longer exists. EBN and Co. destroyed to please the Anglo-Saxons.
      1. Stiletto
        Stiletto 24 July 2013 09: 05 New
        +7
        So I think no one will object to the revival of the "Perimeter". You can call it “SOGNU”, you can call it “I’ll bend everyone”, but the essence of this does not change - the mechanism of guaranteed launching of the end of the world in case of an attack on our country is vital.
        1. Alexander borey
          Alexander borey 24 July 2013 11: 15 New
          0
          Only the enemies of Russia will object. You can call it anything you like, but we need this system. We only need to make the appropriate military-political decision, and the defense industry will cope with the task. soldier
        2. old man54
          old man54 25 July 2013 16: 41 New
          0
          Quote: Stiletto
          You can call it “SOGNU”, you can call it “I’ll bend everyone”, but the essence of this does not change - the mechanism of guaranteed launching of the end of the world in case of an attack on our country is vital.

          "+" To you! Amused! laughing laughing laughing
      2. Dan master
        Dan master 24 July 2013 09: 44 New
        0
        The Perimeter system was not closed, after one of the employees fled to the USA and told about it, it was updated. God forbid that in the West they think that it is closed ...
        1. Alexander borey
          Alexander borey 24 July 2013 11: 02 New
          +2
          Do not engage in self-comfort and do not mislead others. The Perimeter system was removed from combat duty 18 years ago, in 1995, by direct decree of Yeltsin.
          1. fzr1000
            fzr1000 24 July 2013 11: 37 New
            +6
            According to Wired magazine in 2009, the Perimeter system is operational and ready to strike back.

            In December 2011, the commander of the Strategic Missile Forces, Lieutenant General Sergey Karakaev, stated that the Perimeter system exists and is on combat duty.

            WHY RUSSIA "DEAD HAND"?

            KP: - At one time, in our and foreign press there were publications about the Perimeter system that existed in the USSR. And in 2009, the American magazine Wyrett told its readers that this system is functioning and is still alive. This is the rocket that, if everything is lost, takes off and gives the command to all other missiles. And they already automatically take off and hit the desired targets. The "dead hand" in the West is called this system.

            Sergey Karakaev: - And it’s not for nothing that you eat your bread! Yes, the Perimeter system exists today. She is on combat duty. And, when there is a need for a retaliatory strike, when there is no way to bring a signal to some part of the launchers, this command can come from these missiles from the Perimeter ...

            KP: - There was a very interesting remark by Putin at a meeting with the Valdai club. There someone says to him: "You can destroy the United States in about half an hour." But Putin thought and thought and answered: “Actually, faster” ...

            Sergey Karakaev: - I will answer briefly: Vladimir Vladimirovich is right. But I believe that today neither Russia nor the United States are going to destroy each other.
            1. Alexander borey
              Alexander borey 24 July 2013 12: 32 New
              0
              You can approve and declare anything you like, but this is not true. Clinton’s administration clearly tracked the destruction of the “Perimeter” at all stages. The amers didn’t let go of it. As for Putin’s words, he’s right: we are still able to destroy the USA and any other country in a matter of minutes, but this does not mean the existence of a "Perimeter". Do not forget about the RPKSN. It is necessary to raise this system from the other world and to substantially upgrade it before it is too late.
              1. fzr1000
                fzr1000 24 July 2013 12: 38 New
                0
                Those. Is the commander of the Strategic Missile Forces lying? And why, if "the Clinton administration clearly monitored the destruction of the" Perimeter "at all stages"? Does he really want to look like a fool-bastard? I believe him more than you, unless of course you held a similar position in the 90s.
                1. leon-iv
                  leon-iv 24 July 2013 12: 45 New
                  +2
                  Oh god, what a tin
                  ASBU ALWAYS worked and is working now the third generation is being replaced.
                  1. fzr1000
                    fzr1000 24 July 2013 12: 57 New
                    0
                    Like fourth to fifth, no?
                2. Alexander borey
                  Alexander borey 24 July 2013 13: 25 New
                  +3
                  Believe it or not, this is a voluntary matter, and as for the "idiots" among our generals, it’s enough to recall the catch phrase of Pasha-Mercedes:
                  “If necessary, we will take Grozny in a couple of hours with one paratrooper regiment.” I can’t vouch for the accuracy of the quote, but the meaning is the same. So what? Have taken?...
                  The commander of the Strategic Missile Forces is a bonded man that he ordered, he declared. request
                3. Alexander borey
                  Alexander borey 24 July 2013 13: 40 New
                  0
                  The command missile system with the 15A11 missile was on combat duty until 1995, when, as part of the START-1 agreement, the complex was withdrawn from combat duty. This happened on September 1, 1995, when the 7th missile regiment, armed with command missiles, was removed from duty and disbanded in the 510th Missile Division (Vypolzovo town).
                  1. fzr1000
                    fzr1000 24 July 2013 14: 42 New
                    0
                    This information about this shelf is on the Wiki. The "perimeter" is not one missile division, but a whole system that includes so many things that the devil will break his leg, so it is unlikely that except 3-4 people, someone else in the state knows everything about it. At least, it has been repeatedly stated both on the Web and in publications that after the end of the START II treaty (if I am not mistaken) in 2, she again became on duty. Some of the same sources claimed that this happened back in 2009.
                    1. Alexander borey
                      Alexander borey 24 July 2013 15: 32 New
                      0
                      No matter how much you say “halva, halva,” you won’t become sweeter in your mouth. No matter how much you say “The perimeter exists,” he will not rise from this.
                      I’m talking about official data, and not about rumors on the Internet. If, for example, the military-political leadership of Russia decided to recreate the BZHRK, then it stated it directly and openly. So it would be with the Perimeter, if it existed now. Understand Now is not the time to keep such things a secret. Amer would raise a howl all over the planet.
                      In the United States they know EVERYTHING ONE Russian missiles, the number of nuclear warheads, and their deployment locations. Their inspectors are PRESENTING IN THE PRODUCTION OF ICBMs and their components. As long as Russia does not withdraw from the enslaving START Treaty, NO SECRET AND SPEECH CANNOT BE. times. We are bound by this agreement as chains, WE ARE TOTALLY CONTROL according to this Agreement.
                      1. fzr1000
                        fzr1000 24 July 2013 15: 57 New
                        +3
                        Their inspectors are PRESENT IN THE PRODUCTION of ICBMs and their components.

                        But this is not so at all. I am finishing the discussion. hi
                      2. Nitup
                        Nitup 24 July 2013 15: 59 New
                        0
                        Quote: Alexander Borey
                        Their inspectors are PRESENTING IN THE PRODUCTION OF ICBMs and their components. As long as Russia does not withdraw from the enslaving START Treaty, there can’t be any secrecy or speech. Not those times. We are bound by this treaty as chains, we TOTALLY CONTROL according to this Treaty.

                        American inspectors have long been kicked out of the Votkinsk plant. They are not present at any rocket production. The START-XNUMX treaty is quite advantageous for Russia, unlike previous treaties.
                      3. Alexander borey
                        Alexander borey 24 July 2013 16: 52 New
                        0
                        Do not say such nonsense and do not show ignorance in this matter.
                        To the above, I’ll add the official point of view of the American side: “The US government believes that the capabilities and awareness of national intelligence acquired in the process of implementing the START-1 treaty and other agreements will create the basis for ensuring the transparency of activities in Russia under the treaty to reduce offensive capabilities.” referring to the following START-2,3.
                        The START-3 Treaty sets forth a whole range of such measures. In essence, this is the legitimate intelligence activities of the United States in Russia. On our part, powers and checks are extremely limited. Read it at your leisure.
                      4. leon-iv
                        leon-iv 24 July 2013 17: 17 New
                        +1
                        What are you saying and where is it in article 11 of this treaty?
                        Let's get on the fad. Og
                      5. Alexander borey
                        Alexander borey 24 July 2013 17: 42 New
                        0
                        Why crush water in a mortar? Read the contract for a start. By the points. Completely, “from” and “to,” and then you will say how “ДСНВ-3” is “profitable” for Russia. The poor amer put pressure on us, insisted on signing the ДСНВ-3, that they even went to damage to national interests.
                        In short, read.
                      6. leon-iv
                        leon-iv 24 July 2013 17: 56 New
                        0
                        And for starters, you will study HEU KNOW and then the state with the LEP program, and with the power of ala uly. For the last W88 was produced in 89.
      3. fzr1000
        fzr1000 24 July 2013 12: 53 New
        +2
        And then why is this done?
        Russia has updated the Doomsday system

        On November 15, 2012, the Aerospace Defense Forces of Russia successfully launched the Meridian communications satellite, which will support the regular operation of the Unified Satellite Communications System (ESSC) of the Armed Forces. This communication is a backup channel of the so-called "Doomsday" system. The Ministry of Defense told Izvestia why the current launch from the Plesetsk Cosmodrome in the Astrakhan Region is noteworthy.
  13. Dan master
    Dan master 24 July 2013 20: 28 New
    +1
    The system remained, its name was changed and the satellite constellation was expanded as far as I remember, and I advise you not to mislead people yourself ... it was removed because it received a change, on the whole this same system, don’t you believe? well, God bless you from your opinion it’s neither violet nor hot, the dog barks - the caravan goes so to speak ...
  • biglow
    biglow 24 July 2013 13: 22 New
    +1
    Quote: Alexander Borey
    System "Perimeter" unfortunately no longer exists. EBN and Co. destroyed to please the Anglo-Saxons.

    the perimeter system is alive and well, do not listen to liberoids
  • ed65b
    ed65b 24 July 2013 08: 35 New
    +8
    half delirium article especially passages about combat lasers and electric guns. I can offer Jedi swords and invisible caps. Minus.
    1. Dejavu
      Dejavu 24 July 2013 08: 54 New
      +3
      lol
      I think the author had in mind that Amers are so advanced, even with lasers, they are already piu piu, just like in Star Vorsy, and we are all nuclear weapons, and nuclear weapons in our ancient Russia. They say you need to pull yourself up, also arm yourself with lasers. By the way, you can distribute laser trinkets to all soldiers, let the enemies shine in the eyes. And then we will report that we also have a laser weapon! By the way, key chains are most likely as dangerous as US ship lasers.
  • Eugene
    Eugene 24 July 2013 09: 02 New
    0
    The article is not delirious. The time has come for these tsatskas from science fiction. I still remember the lamp technology. I repaired it. Then the transistors. Then the microcircuits are of little integration. And now everyone has a mobile phone in their pocket. With such features that we could not imagine in 85!
  • Dazdranagon
    Dazdranagon 24 July 2013 09: 15 New
    +3
    However, I doubt that within a radius of 10 km from the Topol, our soldier with an AK-47 does not sit on every tree, in every bear’s den ... He probably doesn’t even know what he is guarding laughing
  • lewerlin53rus
    lewerlin53rus 24 July 2013 09: 21 New
    +3
    There is not much time left. Prototypes of Western hypersonic devices, laser systems, shock UAVs and the latest anti-missiles will very soon turn into operational models of military equipment and will be put into service.

    "Death Star" forgot ...
  • lewerlin53rus
    lewerlin53rus 24 July 2013 09: 25 New
    +2
    At me the other day the acquaintance guy demobilized. He served in the unit guarding some kind of strategic object with some kind of nuclear canoe. So according to his stories, there is such a security system, mother do not grieve.
    1. AK-47
      AK-47 24 July 2013 20: 16 New
      0
      Quote: lewerlin53rus
      So according to his stories, there is such a security system, mother do not grieve.

      Thanks reassured, and then: At a distance of 2-2,5 km, they were guaranteed to incapacitate a missile using special sniper rifle weapons. For this, one hit of a bullet in the missile circuit was enough.
  • Kpox
    Kpox 24 July 2013 09: 38 New
    +3
    Yoklmn, any system is vulnerable to diversion. Not only that - after the launch with a probability of 99%, the position will be hit back. As one officer of the Strategic Missile Forces said - "a service gun is needed to collect personnel after launch from shelters" ... well, or something like that
  • leon-iv
    leon-iv 24 July 2013 09: 46 New
    +1
    Another "savior of the fatherland" (c) who saw mainly OBOR from conscripts.
    And for example, wolfhounds from the former 22nd brigade of the Special Forces are now serving in the Teykov division
    as they say everything is already stolen to us
  • Wedmak
    Wedmak 24 July 2013 09: 56 New
    +2
    Having read to lasers and EM guns, then I just flipped through ... delirium.

    - Combat lasers and electromagnetic guns were created;

    Lasers are not effective in the atmosphere, and EM guns require a lot of energy - all this is only a matter of prototypes. Moreover, the USSR already had a laser.
    - hypersonic percussion systems brought to flight tests;

    Percussion ... well, well ... I remember their prototype only a couple of times, normally (oh?), Completed the flight.
    - The air force is equipped with fifth-generation aircraft;

    What, straight all the Air Force ?? Or were 180 raptors and about a hundred penguins just honored? Moreover, to call the penguin a 5th generation aircraft, the language does not turn.
    - NASA switched to the use of reusable unmanned spacecraft;

    Uh ... reusable? Where? When? Did I miss something? Or now private boats flying once a year, once in a while, pose some kind of threat?
    - The Pentagon has launched an all-out system for monitoring the earth's surface and has begun to create a global missile defense system.

    The Pentagon has been conducting this monitoring for about 50 years; it was only in the countries that NATO attacked. In countries with a couple of orders of magnitude less military power. And about global missile defense ... hard to believe. More talk than body movements.

    In one, the author is right. Strategic and tactical missile systems, like any other complex and technological products, are very vulnerable to saboteurs. Only he did not discover America with this thought. And therefore, the article is an empty concussion.
  • Sirjey
    Sirjey 24 July 2013 10: 15 New
    +1
    "The deployment of autonomous," sleeping "underwater launchers of ballistic and cruise missiles located at optimal distances from targets, the use of ammunition that causes maximum damage to the environment, etc."

    Eh ... I feel at such a pace that our grandchildren (great-grandchildren) will bathe in the radiation swamp. I will be distracted from the topic, but it’s scary to think about what will happen to the planet in 100 years and whether it will exist at all ...
    1. Wedmak
      Wedmak 24 July 2013 10: 19 New
      +2
      Still, the author dreams of scales and gills.
  • Evgeny_Lev
    Evgeny_Lev 24 July 2013 10: 30 New
    +1
    - Combat lasers and electromagnetic guns were created;
    - hypersonic percussion systems brought to flight tests;
    - The air force is equipped with fifth-generation aircraft;
    - NASA switched to the use of reusable unmanned spacecraft;
    - The Pentagon has put in place a total monitoring system of the earth’s surface and has begun to create a global missile defense

    What year is the article?
    1. leon-iv
      leon-iv 24 July 2013 11: 49 New
      +1
      xs it seems to me that someone got a free spirit.
  • Starover_Z
    Starover_Z 24 July 2013 10: 50 New
    0
    Quote: Ivan79
    It is necessary to accelerate the development of a new version of the BZHRK. If it really began to develop.

    Now freight wagons are rolling with an allowable load, allowing the transportation of modern ICBMs. Let's hope that when the new generation of missiles for the BZHRK is ready, the missiles will go on a tour of the Russian railways.
    But it will already be completely indistinguishable from other freight trains.
    Let the Americans howl later - then it will be possible to set conditions for them.
  • Alexander borey
    Alexander borey 24 July 2013 11: 10 New
    +1
    Quote: Dan Master
    God forbid that in the West they think that it is closed ...

    You have very little idea of ​​what control over the implementation of the START Treaty is with numerous and meticulous inspections of the American inspections of our strategic nuclear facilities. Yeltsin sold EVERYTHING and EVERYTHING, passed it off and on.
    Another question: the analogue of the "Perimeter" must be created without delay. Moreover, using the latest domestic developments. And get out of the START and INF Treaty. This is also vital for Russia.
    1. Dan master
      Dan master 24 July 2013 21: 59 New
      +1
      Listen, you really are a clown, you can’t imagine it. The system was put on combat duty in 1985, and five years later it was modernized, received the name "Perimeter-RC" and lasted another 5 years. Then, under the START-1 agreement, she was removed from duty - and her current status is unknown. According to some sources, it can be “turned on” again after the START-1 expiration date, and according to others, it has already been returned to its current state and successfully modernized and interacts with a constellation of satellites. I quote for you the idiot from the site - Sergey Karakaev: - And you are not in vain eating your bread! Yes, the Perimeter system exists today. She is on combat duty. And, when there is a need for a retaliatory strike, when it is not possible to bring a signal to some part of the launchers, this command can come from these missiles from the Perimeter ... they upgraded and changed the index, I’m talking about this to you and I’m a fool and START does not apply to it http://www.sdelanounas.ru/blogs/30144/
  • Fuck_usa
    Fuck_usa 24 July 2013 11: 16 New
    +2
    If the article can be characterized as follows, then it is negatively utopian.
  • kirpich
    kirpich 24 July 2013 11: 28 New
    0
    Or am I incomprehensible, but what is a shell of a thickness LESS THAN A MILLIMETER of carbon fiber fabric on a rocket (even if it is solid fuel)? TS at least held carbon fiber spinning in hands? Even in it there are more layers and thickness.
    Sorry, I can’t insert a photo of the launch cup.
  • Tektor
    Tektor 24 July 2013 12: 01 New
    0
    The author’s mistake about the questionable vulnerability of PGRK is that he believes that they will be used from the same areas where they are on duty on an ongoing basis. In fact, the main advantage of the PGRK is that in the threatened period they may be WHERE PLEASANT ... For example, in Moscow under the guise of a missile defense system in the central region. And I'm not even talking about Antarctica ...
    1. vlbelugin
      vlbelugin 24 July 2013 12: 56 New
      +2
      They cannot be anywhere. There are areas where exercises and combat areas are held. But these areas must be prepared in engineering terms.
  • Estrendor
    Estrendor 24 July 2013 12: 30 New
    0
    The author completely does not own the situation, or owns and works to the detriment.
  • Ingvar 72
    Ingvar 72 24 July 2013 12: 31 New
    0
    There was already a good little article. The dead hand was called
  • Goldmitro
    Goldmitro 24 July 2013 12: 40 New
    0
    <<< This (the entry into the US arsenal of hypersonic devices, laser systems, shock UAVs and the latest anti-missiles) will upset the delicate balance of strategic forces and make our country defenseless against any, even non-nuclear attack from the developed West. The only way to prevent this sad scenario is the immediate implementation of the elements of the System for Ensuring Guaranteed Unacceptable Damage to the aggressor (SALVA). >>>
    Absolutely right, everything is said! The states spend astronomical amounts on the creation of ultramodern weapons, especially the ATTACK, directed, first of all, against Russia - their main enemy and the only country in the world today that can destroy the United States and its satellites! There is no complacency, complacency and hatred for us on the 41st, we must be prepared for all possible scenarios of an attack on Russia and the United States strategists - the hegemons will have to realize that, in which case, Russia is able to FALSE the States and their satellites to the ram’s horn even with a dead hand!
  • 1c-inform-city
    1c-inform-city 24 July 2013 12: 46 New
    +1
    Article minus. All this is from a series about polymers. The perimeter system has not been destroyed. Ebn promised a lot, thank God the military was in no hurry to fulfill it. It was somewhat shrunk due to the general reduction of the rvsn. Now it is being modernized (in particular, a new auto launch system has been installed on ash and bore and communication with her).
  • asbaev
    asbaev 24 July 2013 12: 49 New
    0
    Dead hand is still alive
  • miner804
    miner804 24 July 2013 12: 59 New
    0
    In the text: "An excess pressure of 0,3 kg per cm square destroys the complex." ....
  • USNik
    USNik 24 July 2013 13: 06 New
    -2
    The author in Bobruisk for recycling. Article 100500 times written in carbon copy. We have already discussed it a million times.
    On the march, “Poplar” and “Yars” are practically defenseless.
    Who are defenseless before !? Saboteurs? UAV? Orbital laser guns? 100500 Tomahawks ??
    Currently, the United States is continuously monitoring strategic strategic missile forces.
    Well, let them “carry out” themselves, this does not mean that They have on the map a mark of each mobile strategic missile complex bully
    And why give out their delusional fantasies
    Only irresponsible leaders can think that a column of large-sized equipment, stretching on a march up to a kilometer, making a noise of 100-120 decibels and leaving a clear track on the ground, can secretly leave the area of ​​constant deployment and go unnoticed to move to a new position.

    for the real state of affairs. How can a “column” of one poplar stretch “up to a kilometer” and make noise more than an airplane !? (Burn author yet, it’s ridiculous laughing )
    1. Wedmak
      Wedmak 24 July 2013 14: 14 New
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      How can a “column” of one poplar stretch “up to a kilometer” and make noise more than an airplane !?

      Well, actually, there’s more than one PU going there. There are also security cars, communications, engineering, command post. I can not vouch for the exact composition, but there are really not one or two cars there.
      1. tilovaykrisa
        tilovaykrisa 24 July 2013 14: 29 New
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        there is no engineering machine, there is a block for rest l \ s.
        1. Wedmak
          Wedmak 24 July 2013 14: 43 New
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          So recently they presented a car for camouflage, reconnaissance, etc. This is what I called it.
  • tilovaykrisa
    tilovaykrisa 24 July 2013 13: 07 New
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    Something about the case, some empty concussion, for example, the main ICBM routes pass through a wooded (closed) area, there are also launching sites, it’s difficult to shoot at a distance of 1,5-2 km in the forest, the security system of complexes for those who know how it works does not cause any complaints, the sabotage group should be at least the size of a company and be supported from the air, and note this not at the border, but in the rear, we didn’t have a desert with the ocean, we sailed, we sailed, sailed away. The latest US technologies also cause a lot of doubts, they still need to be completed, tested, and then created, for example, 1000 of the latest hypersonic missiles, and they are not worth the dolarr apiece, they also need to be placed somewhere within reach of, for example, the Urals, add the crisis factor and the reduction of the US military budget, at the moment they are just starting to modernize old weapons and not throw grandmothers at the lasers, so there is no need to exaggerate the paint.
    1. vlbelugin
      vlbelugin 24 July 2013 13: 50 New
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      This is bad in a wooded area. DRG fit for a pistol shot. And the company is not necessary. The smaller the group of people, the less noticeable it is. Remember the Great Patriotic War and the actions of partisans. See what is happening in Chechnya. The attack on heavily guarded columns with side patrols is quite effective. And this is not the fault of the military. This is a disaster. It is impossible to set side patrols along the entire route.
      We worked with the DRG of the Vitebsk division, sorry for the replay. As a rule, they "torn us" without any problems. For they are prepared, but we are not ready for anti-sabotage. In each regiment, division, specialists (units) are required who can withstand DRG. But they are not and never will be. And even they will not give a full guarantee of protection against DRG.
      Optimism is good. But I don’t know how lasers or other "stray", but DRG is cheap and reliable. I speak of this as a person who, for 20 years, was cold at the posts of commandant service and then growing up as a commander, carried out all anti-sabotage activities.
      And then you say that he writes "vrazhin", which did not serve in the army either.
      1. tilovaykrisa
        tilovaykrisa 24 July 2013 14: 08 New
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        Can you imagine how the mobile mbr complex is guarded? A security perimeter is set through which even the hare will not crawl, and when the soldiers climb, they get fried meat and I don’t exaggerate or joke, how do you imagine throwing DRG to the complex ?? Do you even know where to throw it? just in the forest to freeze and die of hunger? And how do you imagine the cast itself? there is no air defense in the sky of Russia? I served in the Strategic Missile Forces even during the Soviet Union, on the territory of the current Republic of Belarus and I understand how this system is founded, it’s not an ambush on the road that you can follow along steadily, and you don’t flood the caravan in the mountains knowing that it goes from point a to point b , to the identity you will tell who, when and where it moved, this is, among other things, a secret infa, and you’ll also be on the drone, since the ICBM division is always in the area of ​​responsibility of the air defense of the district. Here you are not Chechnya with its brilliant green, The only real threat is the delivery of a massive WTO strike at the basing sites of ICBMs, and the interception of the remaining anti-missile defense systems and then the national enemy air defense.
        1. kirpich
          kirpich 24 July 2013 15: 36 New
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          Himself, his wife fell under the distribution in 1984 in the Vladimir region. We drove into the village at night by car and got under the Strategic Missile Forces exit (Either they had exercises, or something else). They blocked it, put it in a pose, and held it for two hours at gunpoint (well, don’t ... do it).
          1. vlbelugin
            vlbelugin 24 July 2013 22: 36 New
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            Do not exaggerate. This is just a curfew. Which blocks the roads adjacent to the route of movement of the column. Their main task is to prevent extraneous equipment, so as not to create an emergency. So about the pose and scope, you got excited.
            1. kirpich
              kirpich 25 July 2013 09: 22 New
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              It is a pity you were not there. Maybe then they would believe.
              Is blocking an armored personnel carrier a curfew?
              "Get out of the car, stand with your back to the road" - is this a joke of army humor?
        2. vlbelugin
          vlbelugin 24 July 2013 22: 32 New
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          Of course I imagine. 1978-1989 - The Pioneer. 1989-1995 - "Poplar". Petrikovsky regiment of the Republic of Belarus. Security perimeter (grid 100) is in a hospital. And we are talking about field areas. Forests have roads, river bridges. And not every road or bridge will pass equipment. Plus a satellite image of an unidentified object in the forest. All this is compared and here is the complex. The DRG is thrown by air, land, river transport. For airborne discharge, it is not necessary to land in a positional area. Saboteurs are taught to run. Talk to our saboteurs, if possible, they will tell you how wrong those who believe in their full defense. The worst enemy for a missile in the field is the DRG. For his service he picked up crosses on technology. They were put with chalk saboteurs on technology, simulating mining. And then they told us where the mistakes were.
          1. andr327
            andr327 28 July 2013 10: 11 New
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            By the way, another incident from life! The big bosses planned a DRG surprise attack on the Pioneer convoy. And the commander spent simply led the convoy along a non-regular road (but checked). Result: DRG in the ass, the division completed the combat mission, and the commander received a large separation, official inconsistency and gratitude, which was then replaced by the removal of previously imposed penalties.
            And to catch APU in the combat patrol area is like looking for a needle in a haystack. And the main unmasking sign, if not strange, is the deployment of all possible curfew posts, various technical support posts and rushing commander UAZs.
            You can defend yourself in different ways: build a fortress, hide or run away. It is chosen according to the situation and at the same time any method is good.
  • Grigorich 1962
    Grigorich 1962 24 July 2013 13: 36 New
    +1
    That's right, the author described .... the enemy is not asleep ..... we must again deploy the system of military missile systems, an extensive system of military bases and a system of electronic intelligence and suppression, increase base points around the world ..... develop a radio masking system and laser systems destruction of US intelligence satellites. And I also think it is necessary to limit urbanization (urban growth). To build new cities with a population of 200-250 thousand people throughout Russia in equal remoteness. It is necessary to develop mobile resources and improve the system for preventing an attack. To increase the service life in the Armed Forces ..... in short ..... oddly enough, but again prepare for war ..
    The flames of war are already on our borders. It is necessary to understand who is our friend and ally and who is the enemy and enemy ..... and not be naive.
  • smart ass
    smart ass 24 July 2013 13: 40 New
    +1
    AX the amers have a combat laser that does not shoot and hypersonic missiles that do not fly))) aha, the railgun-scam also)))
  • Shtyn dwarf
    Shtyn dwarf 24 July 2013 14: 46 New
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    Quote: Nayhas
    Everything is true, except for the proposal to use the oceans for the secretive deployment of ICBMs and nuclear weapons. The location of these ammunition can be identified and prepared in advance for neutralization. Moreover, there is a high probability of failure for technical reasons, seawater is still an aggressive environment. What does not suit the author of the classic mine ICBMs under the guise of a missile defense system? In terms of resistance to sabotage, they have no equal ...

    The article did not speak in vain about hypersonic weapons. High-precision hypersonic weapons are almost equivalent to nuclear weapons.
    1. 1c-inform-city
      1c-inform-city 24 July 2013 15: 25 New
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      Hypersound is still a fairy tale more distant than a laser or a railgun. Since the seventies, blanks have been flying but things haven’t moved much. It’s about flight minutes and there isn’t much growth. And the control system isn’t talking at all. The thing is, at such a speed deaf rocket to any kind of control and to GPS too.
  • Shtyn dwarf
    Shtyn dwarf 24 July 2013 14: 49 New
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    Quote: dejavu

    I remember I made a report with the calculations of scientists that 1% of the current arsenal of nuclear weapons on the planet is enough to destroy almost everything living on Earth. The funny thing is that they are well aware of it above and not only at our top. Therefore, all these arms races, armies, etc. are more likely to be a matter of business and trade. Who will buy socks for the army, and who F22, and who and the submarine a couple of dozen. But the essence is the same - to take from the treasury and maintain the military might of the state, for at any moment we will be attacked. The question is whether a global war would begin on the destruction of our country if Russia didn’t have any troops at all except 1000 poison. the charges that we would explode on our territory, thereby ditching the entire planet in case someone was rocking. A kind of global suicide. Most likely not, I would even say no one would have climbed, BUT then questions like the Syrian would have been resolved very differently.


    A multiple stockpile of nuclear weapons will be pursued only by one target - if the attacker was the first to launch a nuclear strike, then the attacker should still have the potential for a retaliatory strike. And the first nuclear strike could deprive 99% of the nuclear potential. These are the truths damn.
  • builder
    builder 24 July 2013 15: 06 New
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    - From here, guys, our Motherland dictates its adamant will to the rest of the world community.
    - Maybe we gotta go?
    - Be sure to bang! And more than once! The whole world is in ruin! ... But then.
  • xomaNN
    xomaNN 24 July 2013 15: 12 New
    +1
    Well, not on land, so on the sea SSBNs our time to shy away a few dozen rockets! We will be optimistic.
  • tilovaykrisa
    tilovaykrisa 24 July 2013 15: 13 New
    +3
    Israeli illusionist Uri Geller, who lives in Britain, is famous for bending spoons with the power of thought.

    Here it is a true threat, and you are all about missiles, they have already begun to BEND SPOONS !!! Precisely for the 3 world are preparing.
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  • Nitup
    Nitup 24 July 2013 15: 31 New
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    The author is either foolish or works for the enemy.
    Currently, the United States is continuously monitoring strategic strategic missile forces. Only irresponsible leaders can think that a column of large-sized equipment, stretching on a march to a kilometer, making a noise of 100-120 decibels and leaving a clear track on the ground, can secretly leave the area of ​​constant deployment and go unnoticed to a new position

    The United States cannot continuously monitor all strategic missile forces.
    Mobile Poplars and Yarses leave their bases on combat duty only at night, when there are no US intelligence satellites over the territory of deployment. And about the clear track on the ground, recently the units have been delivered to the Strategic Missile Forces, which sweep the track from mobile strategists, and by daylight the spotted soil will completely dry and will be exactly the same as it was before the column passed:

    The territory of the deployment area is usually fenced and guarded around the perimeter. From the means of aerospace destruction, including and hypersonic, the areas of mine and mobile-based strategic missile forces are covered by the aerospace defense system. In general, the two-component structure of the Strategic Missile Forces is the most optimal, since mine complexes are practically invulnerable to saboteurs and less vulnerable to precision weapons, but mines are protected from it by the aerospace defense system, and the mobile group is less invulnerable to air attack weapons, but more vulnerable to saboteurs, but, again, sufficient measures are being taken to protect against sabotage. Moreover, the author, if he is not a military man, connected with the Strategic Missile Forces and not a developer of mobile systems, cannot know how much the rocket is protected from snipers, etc., since this is clearly classified information. Moreover, as already mentioned here, Poplars move in the forest and sniper work will be very difficult, if at all possible.
    1. vlbelugin
      vlbelugin 24 July 2013 22: 42 New
      +1
      I would have looked as if they had noticed tracks in the spring (in the fall) when the rut was knee-deep. And in the summer along the dry land we even tied several paws of a pine to the Urals without this technique and dragged along the route.
      1. Nitup
        Nitup 24 July 2013 23: 28 New
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        Quote: vlbelugin
        I would have looked as if they had noticed tracks in the spring (in the fall) when the rut was knee-deep. And in the summer along the dry land we even tied several paws of a pine to the Urals without this technique and dragged along the route.

        And now what do you propose to carry pine trees for equipment in the Strategic Missile Forces?
        1. A_Alex
          A_Alex 25 July 2013 00: 03 New
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          as they say there will be sense (or order) and they will carry. On BMP1-2 logs are transported
  • Georgic
    Georgic 24 July 2013 15: 54 New
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    Strategic Missile Forces veteran is not on the comic "nerves". and the system, as was said 200 times, was really invented such, and the technologies are all saved (even if it does not work now). not that he doesn’t know.
  • kirpich
    kirpich 24 July 2013 16: 15 New
    +1
    Oh, I found the actions of American Special Forces.
    If not laziness, read ... http: //www.vseprokosmos.ru/specnaz.html
  • vietnam7
    vietnam7 24 July 2013 16: 26 New
    +1
    All sabotage groups, if they are hunting for poplar, then after the outbreak of war. I don’t think that the poplar will wait for them, will do its job and dump it. The sabotage groups both here and there are sharpening the search for tactical missiles of Lance, Points, etc. A sniper weapon but 2.5km in our taiga is ridiculous. At all the exercises, we only found the installation, gave the coordinates and fell from there, only in American films everything runs up in front of the rg, and it burns out and cries from behind.
  • Russ69
    Russ69 24 July 2013 17: 41 New
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    It is clear that any missile can be destroyed at a position or at the start with small arms. But, this applies not only to our missiles ...
  • Enot-poloskun
    Enot-poloskun 24 July 2013 18: 32 New
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    Passions what to write in the article ...

    Laser lasers, hypersounds (probably Obama overeat).

    And where to get to the poor peasant?

    According to the article: CG / AM (creo-muck, author - mandalay)
  • klinok1
    klinok1 24 July 2013 20: 58 New
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    Quote: We refund_SSSR


    If the system doesn’t work, then it’s not the fault of the collector who irresponsibly approached the installation of the pressure gauge, but the one who checked the inspector, who checked the one who checked and the person responsible for the verification ... This is of course complete nonsense and play on words, but the work goes like this.


    Right! Comrade Stalin used to say: "Every accident has a surname and a position"