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New engines for the fighter T-50 began to do in Ufa

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Release begins in Bashkiria aviation engines of the new generation, which will be equipped with the T-50 multipurpose fighter, which will replace the Su-27. Thanks to the new propulsion system, the aircraft will become extremely maneuverable. Most of the information about the new product is, of course, classified, but some have become public knowledge.


Preparation for the serial production of the fifth generation engine takes place at all sites of the Ufa Engine-Building Association. This power plant is designed for the T-50 - the so-called "promising aviation complex of front-line aviation", which in the future should replace the Su-27 fighter. It is expected that according to its characteristics the engine will open a new era in the domestic aircraft industry.

Ishbuldy Klysov, the head of the assembly shop of the enterprise, said: "This is a new development - that the aircraft, that the engine. There are no such aircraft or such engines in the world. This engine has increased power and a controlled rotary jet nozzle. I think this is its main advantage."

The engine will have a fundamentally new automatic control system - fully digital. For the first time, it will be entirely built on the Russian element base.

Thanks to technical innovations in the engine, the T-50 will have super-maneuverability. For example, it can hang in the air perpendicular to the surface of the Earth. In 2010, the prototype of the aircraft made its first flight, now flight tests continue.

Many experts are working on the verification of calculations, the debugging of the technology for processing parts and components of the future engine in Ufa. In the assembly shop to work out hundreds of new operations. Locksmith Gleb Petunin, whose duties include the assembly of the turbine unit, it is recognized that this is a big responsibility. "You need to be very careful. There are a lot of sizes here, every micron needs to be taken into account. The slightest mistake in calculations can lead to engine breakdown," he says.

Each stage of the engine assembly is monitored and tested. For example, after assembling the transmission, it is obligatory to pump in oil to eliminate foreign particles. If the sample does not meet all requirements, it is sent for revision.

Bench tests also pass: each engine is tested twice. First, check the quality of the assembly and performance, then the product passes the acceptance control. The head of the test shop Dmitry Movmyga notes: "The process of grinding people who make these machines and the machines themselves is underway. The machines are new, they are currently undergoing development work. We are learning to debug the machines - the machines are learning to be debugged with us. The machines are interesting, their stated parameters are very high. "

In addition to factory tests, the new engine is waiting for state tests. Engine builders themselves prefer not to mention the exact date of launch of serial production - the stage of experimental design work may be delayed for several years. According to preliminary data from the Ministry of Defense of Russia, the T-50 aircraft should enter service with the Russian Air Force in 2016.
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  1. fzr1000
    fzr1000 23 July 2013 10: 10 New
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    If this is really the "same" blood pressure that will replace 117C? Then cheers, comrades!
    1. S-200
      S-200 23 July 2013 10: 26 New
      +4
      "cheers" then - "cheers", BUT ...
      How many months later will the first Chinese spyong be caught on this engine?
      what
      1. Andrey58
        Andrey58 23 July 2013 10: 45 New
        18
        They will draw the engine, but what's the point? The production of materials is needed. Of course they can copy from iron, but such an engine will not work.
        1. crazyrom
          crazyrom 24 July 2013 02: 31 New
          +1
          For the Chinese, copying has long been spread over on the SU-3x, they copied the glider, and the engines are weak. So they buy ready-made engines from us. And to copy THIS engine, here the Chinese even go to the factory for a guided tour, they don’t have enough brains, fortunately. But it’s better not to allow them, away from sin.
          1. Semen Semyonitch
            Semen Semyonitch 24 July 2013 06: 42 New
            +1
            Quote: crazyrom
            For the Chinese, copying has long been spread over on the SU-3x, they copied the glider, and the engines are weak. So they buy ready-made engines from us. And to copy THIS engine, here the Chinese even go to the factory for a guided tour, they don’t have enough brains, fortunately. But it’s better not to allow them, away from sin.

            In vain you are so about the Chinese. Water sharpens the stone. China will eliminate the backlog on military technology by leaps and bounds. It is better to overestimate the enemy than underestimate ... And the fact that they will be opponents is a matter of time.
      2. Alexander Romanov
        Alexander Romanov 23 July 2013 11: 23 New
        15
        Quote: S-200
        How many months later will the first Chinese spyong be caught on this engine?

        They sell engines, but they could not do the blades. Crappy places they are copyists.
        1. leon-iv
          leon-iv 23 July 2013 11: 54 New
          +6
          there the problem is not only in the shoulder blades. There you need to have the entire routing. Starting from rivets ending to COURT.
          1. ben gun
            ben gun 23 July 2013 14: 20 New
            +1
            It seems to the Chinese, and India has definitely transferred ALL technology through the AL-31F engines at the end of the 90's, they were already completing this process for India.
        2. Tersky
          Tersky 23 July 2013 12: 42 New
          14
          Quote: Alexander Romanov
          Crappy places they are copyists.

          Hi Sasha! The reason is printers are Chinese wassat laughing Well, on the topic, these lines were pleased“The engine will have a fundamentally new automatic control system - fully digital. For the first time, it will be built entirely on the Russian element base.” It is high time..
          1. valokordin
            valokordin 23 July 2013 21: 03 New
            0
            Quote: Tersky
            Quote: Alexander Romanov
            Crappy places they are copyists.

            Hi Sasha! The reason is printers are Chinese wassat laughing Well, on the topic, these lines were pleased“The engine will have a fundamentally new automatic control system - fully digital. For the first time, it will be built entirely on the Russian element base.” It is high time..

            And does ROSNINA make an elementary base?
          2. poquello
            poquello 23 July 2013 21: 10 New
            +2
            “these lines were pleased,” The engine will be equipped with a fundamentally new automatic control system - fully digital. For the first time, it will be built entirely on the Russian element base. "It is high time .."

            He also paid attention, it’s nice and the answer to the fans "everything is gone."
            1. alex13st
              alex13st 23 July 2013 23: 26 New
              +2
              As a person working in the military-industrial complex with this element base, I do not feel such optimism. But I hope for the best. It is necessary, it would be necessary to put some that have lost the edges in place, then maybe something will go right. In the meantime, selfish interests are higher than state interests, now that’s the case, the maximum that will be is the hope for the best.
              1. poquello
                poquello 27 July 2013 02: 09 New
                +1
                Quote: alex13st
                As a person working in the military-industrial complex with this element base, I do not feel such optimism. But I hope for the best. It is necessary, it would be necessary to put some that have lost the edges in place, then maybe something will go right. In the meantime, selfish interests are higher than state interests, now that’s the case, the maximum that will be is the hope for the best.

                I agree. Chinese is cheaper, but bourgeois is more solid - here ours fly by. I read that our microcircuits come back to us under someone else's label. The distribution of lyuli in the upper echelons is a specific need for the Russian economy.
          3. zvereok
            zvereok 24 July 2013 05: 41 New
            +1
            Quote: Tersky
            “The engine will be equipped with a fundamentally new automatic control system - fully digital. For the first time, it will be built entirely on the Russian element base.” It is high time..


            I would like to believe. That, to begin with, at least we’ll translate the military-industrial complex into our components, and not just in words, as with GLONAS, when the “first Russian receiver”, created from Chinese components, according to one version in China, according to the other - my Aunt in Ukraine, works in KB So, they are for Russia, they were developing some kind of device with this very “first chip for Glonas”. Not from her words, I simply compared the name of the office, with information from the media, about the chip.
        3. Uncle Serozha
          Uncle Serozha 23 July 2013 14: 38 New
          13
          Quote: Alexander Romanov
          They sell engines, but they could not do the blades. Crappy places they are copyists.

          +1 Moreover. Those who are afraid that the Chinese “have everything copied from us” completely forget that in the 50s it was not even necessary to copy. We supplied them with two aircraft manufacturing plants with a full production cycle of the most modern MiG-19 at that time. Soviet universities were full of Chinese students who were taught according to OUR programs without hiding anything. So what? The MiG-19 delivered by him and survived with them in the Air Force until the 90s.
          During the Vietnam War, he delivered a complete set of design and technological documentation for the MiG-21, as well as two samples of this aircraft. This was part of the agreement - in response, they agreed to pass our transit cargo to Vietnam (rumors that they stole these two sides were garbage).
          So what? It took them 10 years for the MiG-21 to fly normally. In the presence of full documentation and two samples.
          Do not underestimate the Chinese. But they should not be overestimated.
          1. Avenger711
            Avenger711 23 July 2013 16: 23 New
            0
            So almost everything that the Chinese copied, they copied completely legally. Like the Su-27 with which they do not even try to export for the J-11B variant.
        4. AVV
          AVV 23 July 2013 14: 59 New
          +1
          Yes, this engine is not worth selling right away! We need a lot ourselves! In 5 years you can sell it to India, and the rest in 10-15.!
        5. rolik
          rolik 23 July 2013 21: 49 New
          +1
          Quote: Alexander Romanov
          They sell engines, but they could not do the blades. Crappy places they are copyists.

          Only we have the technology for growing a single crystal and making turbine blades from it. In addition, only ours made the technology of coating finished blades with special ceramics. Due to this, the service life of the blades increases several times. Mattress covers came a few years ago, placed orders for the manufacture of vanes for civilian aircraft. They also do not have such technology.
          And the resource of Chinese engines is ten times less than ours. And if they don’t merge the technology, which I’m very sure of, then they’re up to us - how to go to the moon in an interesting pose.
        6. zvereok
          zvereok 24 July 2013 05: 33 New
          +1
          Quote: Alexander Romanov
          How many months later will the first Chinese spyong be caught on this engine?

          They sell engines, but they could not do the blades. Crappy places they are copyists.


          With so many scientists who came to China (including from Russia), will you seriously argue that China will not be able to cope with the scientific task that it will set for itself? A matter of time, no more.

          And our science is in stagnation (((.
      3. Geisenberg
        Geisenberg 23 July 2013 11: 26 New
        +8
        Quote: S-200
        "cheers" then - "cheers", BUT ...
        How many months later will the first Chinese spyong be caught on this engine?
        what


        So that such questions do not arise, you just need to send one of them to China preferentially ... The same thing to you, and you’re not coming. The engine is not a needle, but a high-tech product - you can finish it with a file. You won’t be able to copy it.
        1. JonnyT
          JonnyT 23 July 2013 11: 49 New
          +1
          I am a little confused that the digital control system ........ who knows whether it is possible to burn it with a directed email. magician impulse? Is there a backup management system?
        2. S-200
          S-200 23 July 2013 12: 47 New
          +1
          it certainly is, however ...
          China has already copied heavy American UAVs and is teaching them to land on deck, copies of our Unions - it launches and successfully launches, produces electronics, the level of which we cannot reach, aircraft carriers ... and much more! You should not look down on them ... Orientalists compare the mentality of the Chinese with German. They also achieve the quality of products. By the way, a number of our defense enterprises buy Chinese technology and equipment.
          1. fzr1000
            fzr1000 23 July 2013 14: 02 New
            +7
            Orientalists can compare anything, but even the Japanese are not Germans, the Chinese are even more so. By the way, what about the Germans? In terms of technology, I don’t agree, it’s too painful to complicate the performance too much, and the reliability of German products becomes a myth.
          2. JonnyT
            JonnyT 23 July 2013 14: 56 New
            +4
            keyword - copied! China has copied everything. Who knows exactly the Chinese technology? I heard about Japanese, German, Golan, American, Russian .... but about Chinese - no. Moreover, the expression of Chinese technology sounds somehow awkward)))

            What will happen if the technology flow stops going to China? Their industry will stop developing, will gradually fall apart.
            China should be grateful to world corporations for opening high-tech production facilities in an attempt to “tame the Asian Xerox”


            What kind of defense enterprises buy Chinese technology ???? And what technologies? Enlighten please ....
            1. iSpoiler
              iSpoiler 23 July 2013 18: 20 New
              -1
              Well, gunpowder and paper, like they invented.)
            2. KazaK Bo
              KazaK Bo 23 July 2013 20: 15 New
              +1
              Quote: JonnyT
              China has copied everything. Who knows exactly the Chinese technology?

              The question is very interesting in terms of learning. In order to answer it, let's recall JAPAN at the end of the 40s – 50s. Then, too, no one spoke about JAPANESE TECHNOLOGIES. Broken and crushed Japan, with virtually no ore, went along the path of buying up (stealing, copying, etc.) technologies from around the world to create science-intensive and labor-intensive production ... Specialized magazines all over the world wrote out, state fellows were sent to many leading universities ... It took only 15-20 years and everyone started talking about the Japanese industrial miracle.
              I think that CHINA follows this path. They also buy, and sometimes more “grab”, copy all the world's latest. Look, even at individual articles on this site, there are already some breakthrough technologies among the Chinese. There will be much more ahead that will so surprise us all. Including in the line of such concepts - "Chinese technology" ....
            3. poquello
              poquello 23 July 2013 21: 37 New
              +1
              I find it difficult about military Chinese technologies, and they pioneered cooler than dual-brand phones, the impression was that brand firms missed a jerk.
          3. velikoros-xnumx
            velikoros-xnumx 23 July 2013 16: 05 New
            +2
            Quote: S-200
            Orientalists compare the mentality of the Chinese with German

            I would rather compare them, and Indians in addition, with the Jews, a la Asian-Zion version.
            1. Jurkovs
              Jurkovs 23 July 2013 16: 58 New
              +2
              The Chinese mentality cannot be compared with anything; they have developed in isolation for several millennia. The German approach to quality: since there are few Germans, every German must do very high quality. The Chinese approach to quality: since there are a lot of Chinese, somebody will do it qualitatively anyway, even if by accident. Total in each complex product is one quality part.
          4. Avenger711
            Avenger711 23 July 2013 16: 25 New
            0
            All electronics are made in Taiwan, the Chinese are only what they could buy. The release of a chip does not mean the ability to manufacture equipment for its production.
          5. zennon
            zennon 23 July 2013 16: 49 New
            +2
            Quote: S-200
            it certainly is, however ...
            produces electronics, the level of which we cannot reach

            Electronics is produced, let’s say, by no means China itself. Electronic production is concentrated on companies owned by our sworn friends from geyropa and mattresses. Of course, the technologies are the same. They brought everything to the rank, they themselves do not develop anything. If they cease to transmit, then the “Chinavian "e-ku awaits the fate of the MiG 19/21 ...
          6. Jurkovs
            Jurkovs 23 July 2013 16: 54 New
            +2
            They release the electronic component base of electronics, but they do not create the chip circuit itself, they bring ready-made templates, they grow chips. And what is in the chips, only one Chinese god knows.
      4. Russ69
        Russ69 23 July 2013 12: 47 New
        +2
        Copy iron one, but the technology so simply will not work. They still cannot achieve acceptable quality for copies of dryers.
        1. Mikhail3
          Mikhail3 23 July 2013 13: 28 New
          +1
          The coolest and most severe action among their urban youth is considered ... study. Studying before fainting is much higher quoted than the coolest car. It’s not long to wait ...
          1. fzr1000
            fzr1000 23 July 2013 16: 53 New
            +1
            Worldly goods are not alien to them, they are not alien ... By the way, we also have different students, and not to them.
          2. zennon
            zennon 23 July 2013 17: 04 New
            +3
            It’s not long to wait ...

            Come on! My father graduated from the University in 58. He spoke in full rank in the students, like dogs not cut. Well, so what? Where is government science, technology, etc.?
        2. zennon
          zennon 23 July 2013 17: 00 New
          +9
          Copy iron one, but the technology so simply will not work.

          And that’s not all! You can copy the shape of the turbine blade, but you will never understandwhy they have such geometry! It’s not even R&D that needs to be developed, it’s saboy itself. the fundamental science, first-class education, (what we are losing), a powerful engineering school. How many thousands of artists copy while sitting in the museums of Caravaggio, Titian, Rembrandt, etc. Which of them grew up great?
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    2. LaGlobal
      LaGlobal 23 July 2013 11: 35 New
      0
      So FAST, ABOVE, MORE! ! !
      Hooray!
      1. LaGlobal
        LaGlobal 23 July 2013 14: 01 New
        0
        and what are the disadvantages? or is my joy for a new engine not visible here?
    3. Su24
      Su24 23 July 2013 12: 44 New
      0
      And they didn’t name the model. Vesti.ru, I'm awesome, just a light of information.
    4. Tayrit
      Tayrit 23 July 2013 12: 56 New
      +4
      No, this is the engine of the first stage "product 117C". On video 2:51 in the background is a stand with the inscription. The second stage engine is still far)
      1. fzr1000
        fzr1000 23 July 2013 14: 46 New
        0
        117s for Su 35 like?
        1. Tayrit
          Tayrit 23 July 2013 18: 45 New
          0
          You are probably right, as the Wikipedia provides information that 117s for su 35, and 117 for PAK FA. Although it’s not worth taking information from the wiki for truth, but apparently the engine for the PAK FA of the first stage is a more advanced version from the SU-35. These are just thoughts out loud
          1. fzr1000
            fzr1000 24 July 2013 09: 42 New
            +1
            What does Wiki have to do with it? There is a manufacturer’s website and my acquaintances from Saturn. I myself worked there a bit in the 90s.
    5. Avenger711
      Avenger711 23 July 2013 16: 02 New
      0
      Of course no. This is just an advanced version with the version for the Su-35.
    6. krasin
      krasin 24 July 2013 08: 16 New
      0
      The engine will have a fundamentally new automatic control system - fully digital. For the first time, it will be entirely built on the Russian element base.

      So it’s not the gods who burn the pots. We have learned how to do it. This is already ahead!
  2. Constantine
    Constantine 23 July 2013 10: 11 New
    +8
    Pleased in the morning! Thanks to the author hi

    he will be able to hang in the air perpendicular to the surface of the Earth.


    Interesting. So the ratio of thrust to weight will be greater than that of the Su-35S. Give vertical takeoff in the 6th generation! )))
    1. Alez
      Alez 23 July 2013 10: 17 New
      0
      At the time of hovering, it can hypothetically disappear from the radar screens, temporarily, of course. Plus the braking effect in close combat
    2. Avenger711
      Avenger711 23 July 2013 19: 10 New
      +1
      Yeah, and the rest of the planes perpendicular to the surface of the earth rise at a good speed.
  3. ben gun
    ben gun 23 July 2013 10: 12 New
    +3
    Pleases native plant! drinks
    still cruising supersonic on the engine of the second stage would be done sooner and also at UMPO they gave for manufacturing yes
    And UMPO only wish to debug the technology of manufacturing engines so that there was a minimum of marriage .... drinks
    1. Retx
      Retx 23 July 2013 10: 25 New
      20
      So comrade Vaf said that the fourth prototype, when fully loaded with fuel and large-sized mock-ups of weapons, took off from 4 meters, reached a cruising speed of 310 km / h and a maximum of 2135 km / h
      1. Andrei from Chelyabinsk
        Andrei from Chelyabinsk 23 July 2013 12: 02 New
        +8
        Quote: RETX
        took off from 310 meters, reached cruising speed 2135km / h and maximum 2610km / h

        wassat good
        Wow! You very pleasantly fascinated me :)
      2. Russ69
        Russ69 23 July 2013 12: 52 New
        +6
        Quote: RETX
        So comrade Vaf said that the fourth prototype, when fully loaded with fuel and large-sized mock-ups of weapons, took off from 4 meters, reached a cruising speed of 310 km / h and a maximum of 2135 km / h

        It should be borne in mind that the engines are not native yet. Either they wake me up when they bring their own to mind.
      3. zennon
        zennon 23 July 2013 17: 08 New
        +1
        So comrade Vaf said

        And where is it yourself? Who would tell ...
    2. Andryha_2010
      Andryha_2010 23 July 2013 20: 22 New
      +1
      Why rush then? Even with 117 / 117C did not figure it out! With such an organization, you can master it for another 10 years! But the farther, the worse. Specialists are leaving.
  4. Vlad_Mir
    Vlad_Mir 23 July 2013 10: 13 New
    +2
    What a news! So quiet, modest, imperceptibly! The result is on the face!
  5. Tuzik
    Tuzik 23 July 2013 10: 13 New
    -1
    at last! the main thing is that all engines are to us, and not to China

    he will be able to hang in the air perpendicular to the surface of the earth

    somehow I can’t imagine how the combat pilot will do it, and most importantly - why?
    1. fzr1000
      fzr1000 23 July 2013 10: 17 New
      +9
      And what about Le Bourget and MAX?
      “That all tremble, that respect” winked
    2. MIKHAN
      MIKHAN 23 July 2013 10: 22 New
      16
      Quote: Tuzik
      somehow I can’t imagine how the combat pilot will do it, and most importantly - why?

      Smoke look around .. laughing
  6. MIKHAN
    MIKHAN 23 July 2013 10: 20 New
    +4
    Started to RELEASE! What a nice word. Well done!
    1. Nu daaaa ...
      Nu daaaa ... 23 July 2013 10: 34 New
      0
      Engineers themselves prefer not to name the exact date of the start of mass production - the stage of experimental design work may drag on for several years.
      1. Retx
        Retx 23 July 2013 10: 41 New
        +1
        That's right, the number of T-50 boards is limited, incl. serial production is a waste of money.
  7. Dwarfik
    Dwarfik 23 July 2013 10: 28 New
    +3
    Good And here is to all the spiteful critics by the fact that our defense industry is farce and window dressing! That you tell China! Well done guys, step by step and the mover is ready! Well, now to consolidate the trend - in a mass series and quickly!
    1. Alexxeg73
      Alexxeg73 23 July 2013 10: 45 New
      +3
      No need to mass. There are several stages of engine design. Only the next one is over. There is still a lot of work ahead. Mass production can be prepared for now, this is also a huge job. There is no hurry, let the plane "lick" to the "gloss". And here most likely a small series will be to replace on already flying samples and continue to continue the test.
  8. Kuzkin Batyan
    Kuzkin Batyan 23 July 2013 10: 31 New
    +4
    Looks like "flying saucers" will appear soon, since they are announcing an engine that can hold the plane perpendicularly. At the same time, fuel consumption was minimal. On airplanes with vertical take-off, the engines spit fuel into the pipe.
  9. Sochi
    Sochi 23 July 2013 10: 32 New
    0
    Well, wait. Well done !!!
  10. pa_nik
    pa_nik 23 July 2013 10: 36 New
    -5
    Do Proton engines go through similar tests? And return to production in case of deviations? Questions are rhetorical ... hi
    1. Kuzkin Batyan
      Kuzkin Batyan 23 July 2013 11: 26 New
      +1
      And what have the engines to do with it? The engines will check. I doubt that the rocket position sensors themselves are on the engine.
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      2. velikoros-xnumx
        velikoros-xnumx 23 July 2013 16: 12 New
        +1
        Quote: Kuzkin Batyan
        I doubt that the rocket position sensors themselves are on the engine

        And I personally, probably because of my incompetence in this matter, strongly doubt the official version. Surely such elements of a flight control system are duplicated many times, although I could be wrong.
  11. Duelist
    Duelist 23 July 2013 11: 10 New
    -1
    We need well-established serial production of such engines and as quickly as possible, too much time was lost from the collapse of the USSR. Good news - we are waiting!
  12. B_KypTke
    B_KypTke 23 July 2013 11: 12 New
    -1
    There are no such aircraft and such engines in the world yet. This engine is with increased power and rotary control of the jet nozzle.

    Will they surpass the raptor F 119 with its 15 kgs? Brave claim.
    So let’s see while I as Stanislavsky.
    1. Andrei from Chelyabinsk
      Andrei from Chelyabinsk 23 July 2013 11: 16 New
      +2
      You just compare the mass of engines :)))
      1. saturn.mmm
        saturn.mmm 23 July 2013 12: 25 New
        +1
        Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk
        You just compare the mass of engines:

        ed. "117" weight 1520 kg, F-119 weight 1530 kg?
        1. Andrei from Chelyabinsk
          Andrei from Chelyabinsk 23 July 2013 13: 59 New
          +1
          Quote: saturn.mmm
          F-119 weight 1530 kg?

          Almost 1800, no?
          1. saturn.mmm
            saturn.mmm 23 July 2013 15: 27 New
            +3
            Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk
            Almost 1800, no?

            Yes, in the Institute there is either 1770 or 1530, I would weigh it myself, but who will allow me.
            If you start to understand American technology, then a bunch of different reservations like F-15 begin to climb out 11 tons of weapons and small letters are not far away, but if far away then with the 3rd PTB which each has 2,5 tons, etc., thrust 15 850kg but at the same time fuel consumption hoo.
            1. Andrei from Chelyabinsk
              Andrei from Chelyabinsk 23 July 2013 16: 02 New
              +8
              Quote: saturn.mmm
              I would weigh it myself, but who will allow me.

              laughing A direct children's poem is remembered: "An Indian elephant - 20 tons, an African - 10, but if you don’t believe it, catch it yourself and try to weigh it" :)))) But without C-400 I won’t risk catching it, but the C-400 police, disgusting, does not give permission in any way laughing And I don’t have the corresponding sizes of a safe for storage ... laughing laughing Looks are not fate laughing laughing laughing
              Quote: saturn.mmm
              If you start to understand American technology, then a bunch of different reservations

              Well, yes, that's right, it is. Here, one comrade proved everything to me that the F-22 radar station sees targets with EPR in 1 sq.m. at a distance of 300 km. I tell him - well, if you flip through the Internet, then the Su-35 radar on the 400 km works ... He cut me off, of course, and let's demand that I give him a link to the manufacturer’s website, he’s like a serious researcher, works with primary sources and disagree laughing
              Of course, I didn’t give him such a link - from where? He lifted his nose from the realization of the profound superiority of American technology ... and I ask him - well, where is the link to the official manufacturer’s website that AN / APG-77 sees the target of 1 sq.m. on 300 km? He poked around, poked around ... and to his deep amazement he discovered that one does not exist. And that the number in 210-300 km is the data of American military analysts who have nothing to do with the development of the F-22 ... well, like tomorrow I will blow my cheeks and write - "in my opinion, the Su-35 radar is able to make an excellent X-ray a picture of a mosquito at a distance of 1000 km ... ":))) Well, we found the source of information about 300 km. But where did he get that at this distance the radar sees the EPR target in 1 square meters? And not in 20 squares, for example? The answer killed me - because Americans usually indicate the characteristics for a target of 1 sq.m. he believes that the distance for the target in 1 sq.m is also indicated here .... When I asked him, what is common between the info from the manufacturer’s website and his readers ... well, the answer is clear, I think :)))
              1. saturn.mmm
                saturn.mmm 23 July 2013 22: 18 New
                +2
                Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk
                Well, yes, that's right, it is.

                Many external factors influence the formation of the worldview of our youth about American excellence, well-funded NGOs, television, and the Internet. The cold war continues, and in it we are still losing.
                1. Andrei from Chelyabinsk
                  Andrei from Chelyabinsk 24 July 2013 11: 50 New
                  +2
                  Yes, but here we are largely to blame ourselves - if something is written on the Internet in Russian letters, then we will object and doubt. And if - in English, then this, of course, is a Guarantee of Quality, Truthfulness, Crystal Honesty and Justice. wassat
                  And where is it from us? Truly, great and powerful is the inferiority complex and worship of all the Western, which we form for ourselves on the model and likeness of the Russian intelligentsia ... Yes, they help us. Great help, those
                  Quote: saturn.mmm
                  NGOs well-funded, television, internet

                  However, one must think with his own head. Not sheep, tea.
                  1. saturn.mmm
                    saturn.mmm 24 July 2013 23: 05 New
                    +1
                    Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk
                    However, one must think with his own head. Not sheep, tea.

                    At a young age, all maximalists, a painful perception of injustice, are easily influenced.
                    A difficult and difficult topic.
    2. Retx
      Retx 23 July 2013 11: 46 New
      +5
      Yes, they seem to have gone completely there, some kind of monster is being riveted, I won’t be surprised if there will eventually be a “5+ generation aircraft” smile
      When asked by journalists about the engine for a promising fifth-generation fighter being developed under the program "Advanced Aviation Complex of Frontline Aviation" (PAK FA), I. Fedorov noted that the work was extremely successful under the leadership of the general designer of the Scientific and Technical Center named after Arkhip Lyulka Yevgeny Marchukov. The design bureau of NPO Saturn, headed by general designer Yuri Shmotin, did a very good job on the gas generator of the new engine, characteristics turned out much better than the customer expected. Now there is a final layout of the engine and coordination with OKB them. Dry questions on the placement of the engine on an airplane. President of UAC OJSC Mikhail Poghosyan sets the condition for the engine to be installed in the aircraft without any changes in the carrier (now engines of the "50" edition are installed on the T-117 or the PAK FA fighter before the new engine appears). The installation of the second stage engine will significantly increase the speed characteristics of the aircraft, as thrust and throttle response will increase, in addition, the engine will be lighter.
    3. fzr1000
      fzr1000 23 July 2013 12: 03 New
      0
      Well, the 117S has 14500 kgs, why not surpass the F 119?
      1. B_KypTke
        B_KypTke 23 July 2013 12: 33 New
        0
        Yes, but he has only 7 pennies on the afterburner mode, the difference is very large for the fifth
        1. fzr1000
          fzr1000 23 July 2013 12: 53 New
          0
          I do not think that in Saturn they will make unfounded statements about the "superior performance of our engine." I don’t think there people are usually responsible for their words.
        2. viktorR
          viktorR 23 July 2013 13: 40 New
          +1
          There is still a need to see that 119, although it’s without afterburner, kerosene eats, be healthy. no worse than afterburner ... Another thing is that there are no time limits, as in afterburner mode.
      2. Jurkovs
        Jurkovs 23 July 2013 17: 18 New
        +1
        The F119 has a flat nozzle, and it eats up more than 10% of the thrust. So mechanically these engines cannot be compared.
  13. ed65b
    ed65b 23 July 2013 11: 54 New
    +6
    Judging by the pace with which the fine tuning of the PAK FA is going on in its new guise, we will see faster than Armata and the entire armored economy. Maybe they lack Pogosyan? or social competitions?
    1. Russ69
      Russ69 23 July 2013 13: 25 New
      +1
      Quote: ed65b
      PAK FA we will see it in a new guise faster than Armata and the entire armored economy

      Well, yes ... And this is confirmed. BMD-4 by the end of the year, only two pieces will be handed over for testing, instead of the planned five. Although initially a dozen wanted to receive.
      http://www.armstrade.org/includes/periodics/news/2013/0723/111019428/detail.shtm
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  14. barbiturate
    barbiturate 23 July 2013 12: 34 New
    +5
    Quote: RETX
    So comrade Vaf said that the fourth prototype, when fully loaded with fuel and large-sized mock-ups of weapons, took off from 4 meters, reached a cruising speed of 310 km / h and a maximum of 2135 km / h


    This is very gratifying, the characteristics are, frankly speaking, excellent, I hope that it is true) If the electronics fit, then well, nifiga to myself) I wouldn’t regret the creators of such equipment, I would fill full pockets with a bag on top)
    1. cherkas.oe
      cherkas.oe 23 July 2013 12: 56 New
      +3
      Quote: barbiturate
      So comrade Vaf said that the fourth prototype, when fully loaded with fuel and large-sized mock-ups of weapons, took off from 4 meters, reached a cruising speed of 310 km / h and a maximum of 2135 km / h

      By the way, where is our dear Sergey, he would tell us exactly which engine is being prepared for production, intermediate or final.
      1. Russ69
        Russ69 23 July 2013 13: 13 New
        +1
        Quote: cherkas.oe
        By the way, where is our dear Sergey, he would tell us exactly which engine is being prepared for production, intermediate or final.

        It has long been said that the first production T-50s will go with the engines that are currently standing, and new ones will be installed only in 2018.
  15. Gakkoga
    Gakkoga 23 July 2013 12: 37 New
    +4
    Aviation simply seems to be the number one priority, armored vehicles are important, but can wait a bit, but the air fleet needs an urgent new one so that, as Khrushchev said, “we will show you Kuzkin’s mother!”
  16. cherkas.oe
    cherkas.oe 23 July 2013 12: 47 New
    +1
    No, my friend, less than five years later, a full-fledged T50 that knows how to fly and shoot unaccompanied by brigades from the design bureau and the manufacturer’s factory, we won’t see it, that’s for sure, but it’s good if by the 20th production units will go to combat units with regular engines Avionics and weapons.
    Quote: ed65b
    PACK FA we will see it in a new guise faster than Armata
  17. pa_nik
    pa_nik 23 July 2013 12: 58 New
    +1
    Quote: Kuzkin Batyan
    And what have the engines to do with it? The engines will check. I doubt that the rocket position sensors themselves are on the engine.


    Because according to the article: "Each stage of engine assembly is monitored and tested. For example, after assembling the transmission, it is mandatory to pump oil to eliminate foreign particles. If the sample does not meet all the requirements, it is sent for revision."
    1. ed65b
      ed65b 23 July 2013 13: 09 New
      0
      this is the normal state acceptance. each stage is tested to the maximum and even a little more.
  18. ars_pro
    ars_pro 23 July 2013 13: 27 New
    +2
    Quote: RETX
    So comrade Vaf said that the fourth prototype, when fully loaded with fuel and large-sized mock-ups of weapons, took off from 4 meters, reached a cruising speed of 310 km / h and a maximum of 2135 km / h


    and it’s not unimportant that the 2610 is not the ceiling, they did not just overdo it on the tests
  19. escobar
    escobar 23 July 2013 13: 30 New
    0
    It is not clear whether this is the final engine (of the second stage) or the intermediate one ... I don’t understand a flat nozzle ?, some encryption and information in separate pieces.
    1. Kuzkin Batyan
      Kuzkin Batyan 23 July 2013 16: 02 New
      0
      It seems they have already said that there will be no flat nozzle. It collapses quickly or burns out. (like)
  20. Unwind
    Unwind 23 July 2013 13: 32 New
    +2
    Nice article. And the comments are adequate. Go Russia!!!
  21. ksan
    ksan 23 July 2013 13: 35 New
    +1
    Great news. Even for the money the plane would not be "golden" wink So that they could rivet as much as needed.
    Will they surpass the raptor F 119 with its 15 kgs? Brave claim.
    Well, let’s see while I’m like Stanislavsky. [/ B] And about the “I’m not believing” - we’ll wipe America’s nose off with military aircraft engines.
  22. asbaev
    asbaev 23 July 2013 13: 39 New
    0
    The engine is the heart of the plane.
  23. igor67
    igor67 23 July 2013 13: 59 New
    +1
    Each stage of engine assembly is monitored and tested. For example, after assembling a transmission, it is a mandatory operation to pump oil to eliminate foreign particles. If the sample does not meet all the requirements, it is sent for revision. ? belay in general, they check for foreign objects and particles before assembly, and spill the engine and units to detect oil leaks, sprinkle with talcum powder, and to check what amount of oil passes over a certain period of time, different engines have different parameters. And in the photo, the locksmith seems to be doing the harness in breeches? The instrument is lying around, during the Union we would simply be suspended for such a thing, punished for the instrument, the whole prize would be gone.
  24. oapvokin
    oapvokin 23 July 2013 14: 11 New
    0
    I don’t understand how the plane will disappear from the locator screens at the time of hovering? And is this element needed in modern aerial combat?
  25. DAGESTAN333
    DAGESTAN333 23 July 2013 14: 17 New
    +3
    For the first time, it will be built entirely on the Russian element base.
    - phrases like this usually relieve my stress))).
  26. Dymkovsky
    Dymkovsky 23 July 2013 14: 34 New
    0
    "Locksmith Gleb Petunin, whose duties include the assembly of the turbine assembly." Do not let Glebushka be precise!
    1. cherkas.oe
      cherkas.oe 23 July 2013 15: 06 New
      +2
      Quote: Dymkovsky
      Do not let Glebushka be precise!

      Do not put the gear into cancer, otherwise you will be the “switchman” by everyone you love, like the collector of the block of sensors on the Proton. love
  27. Des10
    Des10 23 July 2013 15: 03 New
    0
    The news is great. Pleases. +
    And before that, what did the plant produce?
  28. USNik
    USNik 23 July 2013 15: 19 New
    +1
    New engines for the fighter T-50 began to do in Ufa

    From the news it is completely incomprehensible which particular engines? Engines of the first stage AL-41F1 or still mastered the second stage of "Product 129" !?
    1. escobar
      escobar 23 July 2013 18: 11 New
      +1
      even ORT does not know about this))
  29. Anton-i-oni
    Anton-i-oni 23 July 2013 15: 30 New
    +1
    Quote: S-200
    "cheers" then - "cheers", BUT ...
    How many months later will the first Chinese spyong be caught on this engine?
    what

    about spies and leaks - unfortunately, this is very likely, because in the late 80s, immediately after the start of perestroika, the Chinese organized a joint venture for the assembly of irons at this plant, I think the goal was industrial espionage, because the status of a joint venture employee gave access to communication with staff with all the ensuing consequences. So, there will be enough work for the plant’s security service for a long time.
  30. Yuri11076
    Yuri11076 23 July 2013 16: 06 New
    0
    Great news, article +.
  31. shpuntik
    shpuntik 23 July 2013 18: 03 New
    +1
    Advertising is all cheap, lads. Do not peck at this fishing rod ... IMHO. The deadlines have already been shifted for 1 year.
    I will clap my hands in three years, when they will be adopted. hi
  32. tilovaykrisa
    tilovaykrisa 23 July 2013 19: 32 New
    +2
    Give more and more positive! Perhaps not everyone steals, maybe the truth is that something will come out, the war is just around the corner.
  33. Andryha_2010
    Andryha_2010 23 July 2013 19: 52 New
    0
    Mass production? Already? After all, tests are underway)) Year 4 is already underway ...
  34. Andryha_2010
    Andryha_2010 23 July 2013 20: 18 New
    +3
    The engine of the 2nd stage has not yet been drawn)) several nodes, maybe the blades. Students for drawing have not yet been recruited))) ... the 117th was drawn somehow, you won’t look without tears, and this one will probably be drawn by the design bureau, so they will be called. There will be no design bureaus. Young managers with megalomania will lead them ... Often I see them at different meetings of UEC youth, all kinds of seminars, with distribution according to the results of participant’s diplomas! Tired of ...
  35. Pattor
    Pattor 24 July 2013 00: 53 New
    +1
    He participated in the development of the maaalenko part of the engine control system for the PAK FA. so this part was first used on our engines. the parameters were set no worse than foreign analogues (2006-2007 the end of development and the output of the finished product). And skepticism about domestic components is inappropriate.
    Well done, that the engine went as they say !!!
  36. Zubr
    Zubr 24 July 2013 01: 37 New
    +2
    Quote: JonnyT
    I am a little confused that the digital control system ........ who knows whether it is possible to burn it with a directed email. magician impulse? Is there a backup management system?


    I am sure! The screens are there, what you need .... but from the backup management system, as a backup, our never refused, and rightly so. Take any Tank, BMP, and this is my friend, not Khukhrymukhra, but the pride of our future aviation.
  37. Zubr
    Zubr 24 July 2013 01: 43 New
    +2
    Quote: tilovaykrisa
    Give more and more positive! Perhaps not everyone steals, maybe the truth is that something will come out, the war is just around the corner.


    Well, at the expense of the war, the question is of course controversial, wait and see, but the fact that we are already going into the series is good .. our "sworn friends" click on the nose, let them not really relax. And the characteristics of this engine are impressive ....
  38. jagdpanzer
    jagdpanzer 25 July 2013 21: 21 New
    +1
    we’ll see if some kind of infa comes from the factory, we would see the characteristics