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Israeli intercontinental ballistic missile

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12 July 2013, Israel conducted another test of its MRBD (medium-range ballistic missile) Jericho-3. The purpose of the test was to test the rocket engine design. Previous tests of Jericho 3 were conducted in the 2011 year. In 2008, Israel completed bench testing of Jericho-3, which actually went into production a year earlier. With a range of over 5000 kilometers (and possibly more than 10 000, which makes it an ICBM), Jericho-3 can deliver a nuclear warhead to any point in the Middle East. Jericho-3 is a 30 ton, solid-fuel, two-stage rocket capable of carrying a payload of at least one ton. This means one thing: Jericho-3 is capable of carrying up to three separate nuclear warheads for individual targeting. Israel is believed to have at least a dozen Jericho-3.

Israel is also believed to have 50-100 missiles with a smaller Jericho-2 range. This 26-ton and rocket with a maximum range of about 1500 kilometers. The Jericho-1 ballistic missile was developed with the help of France and entered service in the 1973 year. This missile, which has a range of 500 kilometers, was gradually replaced by Jericho-2, adopted by 1989. Israel is believed to possess nuclear warheads around 200 and is capable of delivering them through ballistic missiles, submarines (cruise missiles launched from torpedo tubes) and aircraft.

The first two stages of the three-stage Shavit rocket used to launch satellites served as the basis for the Jericho-3 design. The first launch of Shavit was carried out in the 1988 year, and the current version (Shavit-2) is capable of putting a payload weighing up to 800 kg into orbit. Israel sometimes uses the services of other countries to launch its satellites. In 2008, an Israeli satellite with the TekSar airborne radar (also called the Ofek 8) was launched in India with the help of an Indian launch vehicle. Israel constantly uses and modernizes Shavit launch vehicles, and this obviously leads to the modernization of Jericho-3.
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  1. Refund_SSSR
    Refund_SSSR 24 July 2013 06: 42
    65
    * Immediately introduce international sanctions against the bloody Zionist regime!
    * Conduct bambarding of military and scientific facilities in order to prevent nuclear weapons from falling into the "wrong hands."
    * Bloody tyrant Netanyahu under the Court!
    * To force the Zionists to enter into a treaty on the reduction of nuclear weapons and to demand its unconditional implementation, for which international observers must be brought into the country!
    1. theadenter
      theadenter 24 July 2013 06: 54
      -2
      And I would not use their vile methods.
      1. anip
        anip 24 July 2013 07: 13
        +8
        Quote: theadenter
        And I would not use their vile methods.

        Why not? As it comes around, it will respond.
        1. Solieri
          Solieri 6 December 2019 09: 11
          -3
          With a range of over 5000 kilometers (and perhaps, more than 10, which makes it an ICBM) ...

          An illiterate professor of acidic cabbage soup, before writing your opus along with an opus (both strategists from Israel) you need to know the material on the topic, and not to assume what you don't know! Just a shame IN!
      2. svp67
        svp67 24 July 2013 12: 49
        +6
        Quote: theadenter
        And I would not use their vile methods.

        Why not? Let’s make a noise, wind up the hype, and to the noise, we’ll deploy a new missile defense system in the south ... - the threat is ON THE FACE ...
        1. cdrt
          cdrt 24 July 2013 23: 13
          -3
          the threat is FACE ..


          Something tells you this is a threat to you personally laughing
          As I understand it, Israel, even the USSR, which actively supported the Arabs, did not consider the threat. Russia - which is rather friendly with Israel, but Israel is not a threat at all.
          Well ... military expediency. In fact, missile defense is needed around the millionaires of the CE part of the Russian Federation, and, SUDDENLY, around the largest communications nodes of the gas pipeline, oil pipeline systems, and the largest power plants. And this is the north of the European part, mainly the Volga region. In short - it is necessary to cover the objects that form the military-economic potential.
          An article or work was a couple of years ago - like Stratfor - if 70-80 objects were destroyed in the Russian Federation, industrial production decreased by 10-15 times, after a couple of years of the population from hunger - by 2-3 times. Actually these objects also need to be covered by missile defense. And in the south - there are virtually none.
          1. Dober
            Dober 24 July 2013 23: 53
            +2
            Quote: cdrt
            if in the Russian Federation to destroy 70-80 objects, industrial production

            And the cascade of hydroelectric power stations along the Volga, firmly tied to the energy sector. Even without considering the created environmental disasters. Enterprises (those that are still breathing) will immediately stand up and for a long time - the restoration of such an object as a hydropower plant is very long-term and labor-intensive.
            And the Volga-Don canal, a transport artery, and at the same time the possibility of transferring military carts, a small displacement and dimensions from the Black Sea to the Caspian Sea (and vice versa).
            Doesn't that have to be covered up. Where can I get air defense for everything?
            Better a preemptive strike. I don't give a damn about the "world community", there are precedents ...
      3. mark1
        mark1 24 July 2013 15: 08
        +7
        I believe that it’s time for us to create our first missile defense position in Syria
        1. Sirius-2
          Sirius-2 24 July 2013 19: 17
          +3
          Late. Previously, it was necessary to build a missile defense system, and now there is war.
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    2. S-200
      S-200 24 July 2013 07: 46
      39
      Urgently introduce a no-fly zone over all of Israel! angry
      Send an IAEA commission led by Ahmadinejad! lol
      UN impose embargo on trade in military, nuclear and dual-use!
      and shut off their water supply ... belay
      1. FATEMOGAN
        FATEMOGAN 24 July 2013 15: 35
        +4
        Quote: S-200
        and block their water supply


        A better pipeline from ... 3,14ndostana bully
      2. Dober
        Dober 25 July 2013 00: 00
        +1
        Quote: S-200
        water pipes...

        The most "simple" and effective solution. All "graters" with Syria for the Golan Heights and reservoirs. At the same time, the "Domokles sword" is constantly brought in the hands of Syria. Destroying them is death to Israel. Slow and sophisticated. They are not weakly guarded.
        Therefore, the main participation in the internal affairs of Jews is the destabilization of the regime in Syria, with the further pushing back of the "demilitarized zone" away from the Golan deep into Syria.
    3. Constantine
      Constantine 24 July 2013 09: 22
      12
      Quote: We refund_SSSR
      * Immediately introduce international sanctions against the bloody Zionist regime!
      * Conduct a bombardment of military and scientific facilities in order to prevent nuclear weapons from falling into the wrong hands.
      * The bloody tyrant Netanyahu on trial!
      * To force the Zionists to enter into a treaty on the reduction of nuclear weapons and to demand its unscrupulous implementation, for which international observers must be brought into the country!


      I agree. A direct threat to democracy! Why is the USA silent? This is not permissible!
      1. APASUS
        APASUS 24 July 2013 10: 57
        +7
        Quote: Constantine
        A direct threat to democracy! Why is the USA silent? This is not permissible!

        Israel is not from Korea, it’s just peeking out from under the wing of the United States. That is, if they remember everything and change their policies with regard to the United States, it’s bombing the cities of Gaza, phosphorus shells, missiles .......... and now they the main democrats of the east!
        1. cdrt
          cdrt 24 July 2013 23: 16
          +1
          .and now they are the main democrats of the east!


          Well, actually the democracies in the Middle East are Israel and, paradoxically, Iran (where democracy peacefully coexists with stoning unfaithful wives). laughing
          There was still Egypt recently laughing , but there it seems again - the military (and probably for the better for the whole world, and for the Egyptians) took power into their own hands comfortably and habitually
          1. Pimply
            Pimply 24 July 2013 23: 37
            -1
            Quote: cdrt
            Iran (where democracy peacefully coexists with stoning unfaithful wives)

            Iran is not a democracy. Iran is a theocracy. The appearance of elections is not elections. Severe restrictions on the participation of candidates, and not the possibility of a change in the head of state - they are officially appointed Ayatola Khamenai, and not the President
    4. fedorovith
      fedorovith 24 July 2013 12: 13
      +1
      Yes, this is not at all what they need now and they first of all.
    5. Apollo
      Apollo 24 July 2013 12: 46
      +5
      Quote: We refund_SSSR
      Conduct bambarding of military and scientific facilities in order to prevent nuclear weapons from falling into the "wrong hands."


      How do you imagine this in the 21 century?! You have Sergey letter о bombardment fell out of the word and the letter appeared in its place а. winked


      Quote: We refund_SSSR
      To force the Zionists to enter into an agreement to reduce nuclear weapons and demand it unprincipled fulfillment


      and here it’s generally funny laughing so all the same, implicit or unquestioning.
      1. Refund_SSSR
        Refund_SSSR 24 July 2013 14: 03
        -1
        Thickly troll negative not impressive.
        Although, perhaps, do not troll, but simply read long words in syllables, since they are able to discern errors in them. laughing
        The option that you are a Russian teacher with experience and with this cursory glance are able to identify errors - I reject it for failure.

        To summarize: Are you 15 years old? If not, then urgently tighten the level of intelligence or sense of humor, useful in life. It is customary to evaluate a thought not by spelling, but by its content and construction of a sentence, in terms of the accessibility of meaning.
        Good luck.

        1. igor67
          igor67 24 July 2013 14: 20
          +2
          Quote: We refund_SSSR
          Thickly troll negative not impressive.
          Although, perhaps, do not troll, but simply read long words in syllables, since they are able to discern errors in them. laughing
          The option that you are a Russian teacher with experience and with this cursory glance are able to identify errors - I reject it for failure.

          To summarize: Are you 15 years old? If not, then urgently tighten the level of intelligence or sense of humor, useful in life. It is customary to evaluate a thought not by spelling, but by its content and construction of a sentence, in terms of the accessibility of meaning.
          Good luck.

          (and notice, and in general there’s nothing to ban, like I sent it, but without insults)

          do you think we have an 15 summer moderator? belay
          1. Apollo
            Apollo 24 July 2013 14: 32
            +6
            Quote: igor67
            do you think we have an 15 summer moderator?


            You see, Igor thinks to the best of his intellect and worldview.
            1. igor67
              igor67 24 July 2013 14: 41
              +3
              Quote: Apollon
              Quote: igor67
              do you think we have an 15 summer moderator?


              You see, Igor thinks to the best of his intellect and worldview.

              hi buddy !! my wife says: 15 years. and the rest of the years is life experience laughing
        2. Apollo
          Apollo 24 July 2013 14: 29
          +4
          Quote: We refund_SSSR
          A thick troll is not impressive.


          explain how and how I troll ?!

          Quote: We refund_SSSR
          The option that you are a Russian teacher with experience and with this cursory glance are able to identify errors - I reject it for failure.


          But is it really a matter of grammatical errors?! It's not the point at all, but that they wrote stupid petition in their comment. I asked you how you imagine the scenario, the bombing of Russia, Israel?! The consequences of this and the most important justification for this bombing .You have not answered.

          Quote: We refund_SSSR
          To summarize: Are you 15 years old? If not, then urgently tighten the level of intelligence or sense of humor, useful in life. Good luck.


          Not knowing absolutely me how you can judge me, I am not judging you. Although I will write to you why exactly on your I noticed a comment due to your grammatical errors. Believe me, a visitor who writes with errors cannot pretend to be a deeply meaningful and thoughtful comment. And now a little about myself, before I write this or that comment I recheck several times their comments so as not to look like a laughing stock in the eyes of visitors. Catch the difference ?! laughing
          1. Dober
            Dober 24 July 2013 16: 20
            +4
            Come on, Apollo.
            Quote: Apollon
            I recheck my comments several times so as not to look like a laughing stock

            It is quite difficult to become a "laughing stock", in my opinion, because of the presence of errors. Members of the forum meet with the Georgian "flag" (for example), so there in general oh-oh-oh ... Nobody reprimanded anything, they made a "discount" on nationality and level of education in the republics after 91 years.
            And you are not reproached, but even after a quick reading of even your upstream post, it seemed that there were (at least) 3 punctuation errors. Not enough punctuation marks. But in the sense this was not reflected in any way. hi
        3. Cynic
          Cynic 24 July 2013 17: 43
          +1
          Quote: We refund_SSSR
          It is customary to evaluate a thought not by spelling, but by its content and construction of a sentence

          Who didn’t tell me?
          Trying to justify illiteracy?
          For example, such errors hurt my eyes and cause certain doubts about statements written with spelling errors.
          Do I have spelling enabled in my browser?
          Sorry, but this is an elementary manifestation of disrespect for the interlocutors.
          And again I will say _ Compromising what you say!
          hi
      2. Dober
        Dober 24 July 2013 15: 51
        +3
        Quote: Apollon
        it’s generally funny here, so all the same, unconditional or unquestioning ..

        Or rather not "funny", but illiterate in both versions.
        But there is, or rather it was, in the rules of the "pre-revolutionary" Russian language not to use the prefix "beS" at all, so as not to "mention" the name "of this" character.
        "BES" is a prefix introduced into the Russian language in 1921 by atheists, Russophobes Lunacharsky-Lenin, contrary to the rules of the Russian language. This rule has been introduced specifically to praise and extol the always despised demon.
        A study of the pre-revolutionary Russian language shows that the prefix “BES” never existed in it, and the replacement of the true prefix “WITHOUT” with “BES” roughly distorts the meaning of the word. The artificially introduced prefix "BES" turns to the root. In Russian, the word BES means, as everyone knows, unclean power, and any Russian person at the level of the subconscious, at the level of genetic memory will react negatively to this word. Moreover, with the word BES, considered as the root, other words of the Russian language are not combined, word derivatives (with very rare exceptions) do not form.
        Replacing in many words the letter “Z” with the letter “C” immediately kills these words and fundamentally changes their meaning and meaning.
        For example, "shameless" and unconscious (nonsense!) Or "heartless" and heartless, try to drive it through some kind of spelling system. The spelling "heartless" will be flagged as "incorrect" and will be corrected to "UNSCIOUS".
        And there are a lot of such examples.
        Take other words with BES and get the same picture: POWERless - instead of POWERless. With such a substitution, a person is imposed on the subconscious level the idea that in all situations in which he (the person) turns out to be WITHOUT forces, in other words, he could not accomplish or do anything, the WES turns out to be strong, on top! It turns out to impose thoughts of the futility of trying to do something because the BEC is stronger. And, again, the word WITHOUT useful, meaning action without benefit, has turned into a “useful BES” - BES-useful. And there are many such words:
        ANNOUNCEMENT - ANNOUNCEMENT, ANNUAL - Sensual, ANNOUNCEMENT - ANNOUNCEMENT, ANNOUNCEMENT - ANNOUNCED, ANNOUNCED - ANNOUT strong, etc.

        PS And now pay attention to the wordЗliterate. You won’t write or say otherwise ...
        1. shpuntik
          shpuntik 24 July 2013 18: 48
          0
          Dober RU Today, 15:51 ↑
          "BES" is a prefix introduced into the Russian language in 1921 by atheists, Russophobes Lunacharsky-Lenin, contrary to the rules of the Russian language. This rule has been introduced specifically to praise and extol the always despised demon.

          Dear Midav, Your Doberman has bitten and bitten everyone laughing
          I agree, completely with your examples: only evil could throw such a substitution.
          By the way, not so long ago I was surprised when a priest, casually, casually, during a sermon, mentioned Stalin as a Satanist. Priest in years. Yes and rarely they are mistaken in their assessments. Here is a look from the artist:
          1. Dober
            Dober 24 July 2013 20: 31
            0
            My greetings, Roman!
            Quote: shpuntik
            only evil could throw such a substitution.

            Wickedness is evil! Needless to say about her ...
            Everything is at the level of sacred concepts and symbols. And the same Lenin. This is a stigma on the heart of Russia. More precisely, like a bestial BRAND. And while this "vile canned food" is still on Red Square, there can be no talk of any revival.
            IMHO. If the current Communists at least will not interfere burial this satanic mummy, I'm not talking about what to send in a suitcase with another repatriate, then in the eyes of many people their "rating" will only increase. Hence the greater confidence in their "left" position in relation to the authorities.
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            Attention! Please do not browse this page if you are an easily excitable person, suffer from any form of mental disorder, if you are pregnant or have not reached the age of 18.

            http://www.gulag.ipvnews.org/article20070908_2.php

            Quote: shpuntik
            the priest, casually, casually, during the sermon, mentioned Stalin as a Satanist.

            Here, I apologize, but find it difficult to answer, because I did not quite understand the meaning. The opinion of the priest ... How different they are now. From Kuraev and Chaplin to monks in the Old Believers' monasteries.
            1. regsSSSR
              regsSSSR 24 July 2013 21: 44
              +1
              Dober
              Dober


              hello dober! I apologize for getting in. I wrote a detailed report to your monologue in an article about (Returning is a bad omen. About the Red Project) and brought you my apologies (for the misunderstanding that has arisen between us) well, if you can read the whole story there hi
              1. Dober
                Dober 24 July 2013 22: 27
                0
                And hello to you, Dmitry!
                I read that post. I apologize neither now nor yesterday. It's my pleasure. hi Those "misunderstandings" are perfectly acceptable and solvable.
                I thought that the answer is not implied, but if you want, I will answer a little later.

                PS If such a small age difference is not important for you, then I suggest you do it. drinks
                1. regsSSSR
                  regsSSSR 25 July 2013 02: 15
                  +1
                  Quote: Dober
                  And hello to you, Dmitry!
                  I read that post. I apologize neither now nor yesterday. It's my pleasure. hi Those "misunderstandings" are perfectly acceptable and solvable.
                  I thought that the answer is not implied, but if you want, I will answer a little later.

                  PS If such a small age difference is not important for you, then I suggest you do it. drinks


                  Well, okay! the answer in principle is optional; I’ll leave it up to you, but I’m glad that the apology reached the addressee and are very disliked to blame people for something or not understanding the situation, but sometimes such incidents happen)) I approve of you drinks
        2. alex86
          alex86 24 July 2013 21: 10
          0
          Quote: Dober
          the prefix “WITHOUT” to “WITHOUT” grossly distorts the meaning of the word

          Sorry, but this is manic delirium. The prefix "devil" is used for a voiceless consonant after "s", the prefix "without" is used for a bell. Learn materiel.
          1. Dober
            Dober 24 July 2013 22: 01
            0
            Quote: alex86
            The prefix "devil" is used for a voiceless consonant after "s", the prefix "without" is used for a bell.

            This rule is. The current rule, officially approved in 1956 and introduced into all textbooks as a law for execution at all levels.
            And the RULES are written by people. Who and why is this a question.
            I spoke about the OLD RULE. I know about new ones no worse than you.
            The reform of 1917-18, as a result of which the letters "yat", "fita", "I" were excluded from the Russian letter, the spelling of Kommersant at the end of words and parts of complex words was canceled, as well as some spelling rules were changed, is inextricably linked in our minds with October revolution. The first edition of the decree on the introduction of a new spelling was published in the Izvestia newspaper less than two months after the Bolsheviks came to power on December 23, 1917 and announced by the Minister of Education of the Provisional Government Lunacharsky. Even before the decree on the transition of Russia to the Gregorian calendar.
            The Judeo-Bolsheviks, having seized power, “habitually began to carry out“ reforms ”and actively promoted the new spelling as“ more accessible to the people ”and“ breaking with the heritage of tsarism, ”and the old spelling began to be called“ tsarist. ”In other words, to destroy everything related to RUSSIANS Even the language.
            The fact is that this "new spelling" was developed back in tsarist times by the former Russian Academy of Sciences. The fact remains that this reform was not carried out by the tsarist government, despite all the "liberal" ideas dominating in our country in recent times, even the Provisional Government could not carry out this spelling reform in 1917 itself, when its order to introduce a "new spelling" was not was accepted by the Russian people and hung in the air.

            This "reform" was carried out only by the Bolsheviks, why this "new spelling", in all fairness, should be called "Bolshevik", or "Soviet", as many Russian people call it, especially since, in its spirit, in theory, embedded in it, it fully corresponds to the intentions of the Bolsheviks, vicious deniers and destroyers of everything old.
            Now smart zamut -

            Inglorious,
            Unscrupulous,
            Dumb,
            Selfless,
            Heartless.
            It is especially necessary to pay attention that the first root in all these examples becomes strong, prevailing, word-forming. An unclean spirit becomes the master of the situation.

            When a piece of BES becomes the root of the word, this is the most unpleasant case. You can omit the prefix, replace the whole word with a synonym, but you can’t throw the root out of the word. Linguists noticed that words with a root of BES are not combined with other words, they do not form complex words with two roots. Pride works - I will not get up close to anyone.

            The innovation worked!

            The expected result is obtained: you are accustomed to perceiving both variants of the prefix as a negation, that is, what is indicated in the new rules: “Negative prefixes have no and no meaning the same, but they are written differently. etc.". Now, according to the plan, the next stage should begin - the complete eradication of the prefix WITHOUT. That is how many languages ​​of the world broke and distorted beyond recognition.

            Old people who remember the roots of their native language still avoid using this demon name for word formation. Today, in the village, grandmothers continue to say and say to their grandchildren: “Do not call him to yourselves, do not cry trouble for the head”.
          2. Dober
            Dober 24 July 2013 22: 09
            0
            Quote: alex86
            Teach materiel.

            Here I just studied "her". And what, excuse me, do you think I should "study"? "Hardware"? This is something indecent.
            In turn, I would advise you a few links (simplified version),
            http://blog.i.ua/community/2794/1200948/
            http://www.gramota.ru/class/istiny/istiny_5_orfo1917/
            http://solncev.narod.ru/Ssrro.htm
            http://www.rusyaz.ru/is/vv.html
            http://3rm.info/21933-k-voprosu-o-staroj-i-novoj-orfografii-arxiepiskop.html
            http://otvet.mail.ru/question/56337390

            but only you do not "walk" on them. There is "a lot of bukaf - probably niasity"
            1. alex86
              alex86 26 July 2013 07: 38
              -1
              As already mentioned above, manic nonsense. The hostility to Bolshevism is understandable, but to believe in such conspiracy theories? ... I understand that the grandmother at the entrance or the outcast who laid out herring on a newspaper is a serious person, it seems? ...
              Quote: Dober
              "a lot of bukaf - probably niasity"
              “Have you noticed me somewhere in this way of expressing your thoughts?” Or do you have other, more complex criteria for determining my attitude to the Russian language?
    6. Civil
      Civil 24 July 2013 20: 00
      +1
      Well, everything is done to circumvent the INF Treaty
    7. cdrt
      cdrt 24 July 2013 23: 05
      0
      It remains one thing to find out - who will demand this all? laughing
      And what are the chances of success?
      Israel will not rust to send anyone with such demands very far.
      Never again (Jews will not allow themselves to be killed with impunity) - sort of like the motto of the creators of Israel as a state.
      And actually AOI has repeatedly confirmed this.
    8. little man
      little man 25 July 2013 03: 28
      -2
      And what does it seem like a little fat? Are we going to bother everyone?
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  2. domokl
    domokl 24 July 2013 06: 56
    10
    Interestingly, the Jews include the thought when they do such things? There is a missile that can fly to the territory of Russia. And what should we do? Naturally prepare a counter march! So now the missiles will be aimed at Israel.
    What is agony or a targeted teaser for the CU and Russia?
    1. theadenter
      theadenter 24 July 2013 07: 00
      +1
      I think everything has long been aimed at the owners (including potential) of nuclear weapons. Well, or at least the coordinates for targeting have been calculated.
      1. domokl
        domokl 24 July 2013 07: 06
        -2
        Quote: theadenter
        I think everything has long been aimed at the owners (including potential) of nuclear weapons.

        It's you in vain. We don’t have such nuclear weapons potential to threaten everyone in a row ... Not yet .. But it will.
        1. theadenter
          theadenter 24 July 2013 07: 23
          +1
          But the coordinates and plan for the strike must be.
        2. Toit
          Toit 24 July 2013 08: 28
          13
          Quote: domokl
          It's you in vain. We don’t have such nuclear weapons potential to threaten everyone in a row ... Not yet .. But it will.

          You seriously, Russia has enough nuclear weapons to erase the whole world in ruin, and they sent it to Israel in 73, but Israel does not even consider the option of war with the Russian Federation in its most phantasmagoric dreams
          1. domokl
            domokl 24 July 2013 08: 54
            +6
            Quote: Toit
            Russia has enough nuclear weapons to wipe the whole world to pieces,

            There was enough potential, but why was it possible to have rockets for Israel? If it cannot strike at us? Scare? Why? And now, if there are rockets and something 300 (information purely from the site of the Israelis, I don’t know the exact numbers, sorry) nuclear charges missiles will be redirected. And you understand that perfectly. Friendship is friendship, and defense is defense.
            1. Toit
              Toit 24 July 2013 10: 41
              +3
              Quote: domokl
              . Friendship is friendship, and defense is defense.

              Agree to all 100
            2. Dober
              Dober 24 July 2013 16: 31
              +2
              Quote: domokl
              There was enough potential, but why would there be rockets for Israel? If it cannot strike at us? Scare? Why?

              This is not "for us".
              IMHO. The article most likely contains a veiled trick (especially since the host is a “professor.” The emphasis should be placed not on the presence of nuclear weapons, but as a delivery vehicle.) , preemptive strikes against "sweet, brotherly Semitic neighboring peoples ", and not only.

              Interesting. The tests are understandable, but where do they shoot her? And how is the "flight range" confirmed?
              1. Aaron Zawi
                Aaron Zawi 24 July 2013 21: 36
                +2
                Quote: Dober

                Interesting. The tests are understandable, but where do they shoot her? And how is the "flight range" confirmed?

                in okiyan
                1. Dober
                  Dober 24 July 2013 22: 32
                  +1
                  Quote: Aron Zaavi
                  in okiyan

                  On "scows full of mullets" of Cypriots?
                  And the "measurements" are carried out by specially trained cormorants who work in the service of the Tsakhal?
                  1. Aaron Zawi
                    Aaron Zawi 25 July 2013 00: 37
                    +1
                    in okian, not in the sea fool
                    1. Dober
                      Dober 25 July 2013 01: 47
                      0
                      It is clear that it is not in the Sea of ​​Rains, the Sea of ​​Tranquility, the Sea of ​​Islands, the Sea of ​​Cold ... tongue
                      Then maybe in the Ocean of Storms? Or in which ocean are the territorial waters of Israel?
                      And who or what is there as targets.
                      Chinese junior gondoliers?

                      "Train on cats Somali pirates "(c)
                      / Moshe Ya'alon. pr. no .... from ... 2013 on the eve of the "Lag BaOmer" celebration / laughing
          2. ziqzaq
            ziqzaq 24 July 2013 15: 32
            +1
            Quote: Toit
            even in the most phantasmagoric dreams does not consider the option of war with the Russian Federation

            Well, of course ... Israel is even bombing Syria "in tihari", although if it had enough relics for Russia, now you would talk differently ...
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    3. anip
      anip 24 July 2013 07: 13
      +6
      Quote: domokl
      Interestingly, Jews include thought when they do such things?

      It's hard to say what they think. Most likely they expect to keep Arabs and Iran under watch and fear.
      And, actually, a couple of Russian missiles will be enough for all of Israel; I don’t think that Israel does not take this into account.
      1. INTER
        INTER 24 July 2013 08: 26
        +4
        Quote: domokl
        Interestingly, the Jews include the thought when they do such things? There is a rocket capable of reaching the territory of Russia. And what should we do?

        The king said, the king did, but did not want to, did not, the king. And international laws are written for all states except NATO members!
        1. S-200
          S-200 24 July 2013 08: 53
          +3
          and Israel is not a member of NATO ..
          1. Dober
            Dober 24 July 2013 16: 41
            +1
            For some reason NATO is "included" in Israel. And everything, entirely.
            More precisely, where the Jews will indicate to them "enter" ...
            1. igor67
              igor67 24 July 2013 16: 59
              +2
              Quote: Dober
              For some reason NATO is "included" in Israel. And everything, entirely.
              More precisely, where the Jews will indicate to them "enter" ...

              I have a question for you, dear athlete. So I lived in Israel for 6 years and was able to buy an apartment. Naturally, they took a loan for 20 years. you for those 2 years. that they lived in Israel they bought an apartment, apparently for cash. they didn’t do anything and they didn’t have a passport (darkon). that they would go to Germany without problems.
              1. Dober
                Dober 24 July 2013 17: 24
                0
                And who told you that I bought an apartment in Israel. My unforgettable, now deceased dad fled there in the early 90s. Here at the plant he held a high managerial position, after widespread privatization and corporatization he had a certain "gesheft". This was enough for the purchase of housing, and Sokhnut and other organizations were a little bit overwhelmed. Now I, as a direct heir (and by will), have the rights to an apartment in which my second cousin (on "bird rights") on my paternal side now lives. I lived there permanently from 2002-2004. The last time was last year, in winter. Did not like. I don't strive anymore.
                And I have been living in Germany for 8 years. I received a visa a long time ago, through a work firm. Now I have "Schengen" all over Europe. I often fly to Russia, to my friends and relatives. My family is all Russian. The older boy "hatched" in a provincial textbook "Soviet" maternity hospital, and the youngest is already in a non-farm.
                My bank account is "Bundasovsky". Cumulative. Where I will spend - it will be seen.
                What else interests?
                1. igor67
                  igor67 24 July 2013 17: 34
                  +2
                  Quote: Dober
                  My bank account is "Bundasovsky". Cumulative. Where I will spend - it will be seen.
                  What else interests?

                  I don’t care about your finances. After Germany, of course, rest in Israel is not the same level. Yes, and the Moroccans do not like Russians. Your original one did not interest me either. My children are also Russian. My daughter was born under the Union. meaning in something else that you wanted to find in Israel
                  1. Dober
                    Dober 24 July 2013 17: 53
                    +1
                    Nothing good... laughing
                    I have seen many places on the planet that are not even close to "lying" with Israel. And for some reason they all ended up in the northern latitudes.
                    There will be an opportunity, a break with the family is better in Kamchatka than in dusty Haifa. In late August, we plan to go to Solovki. Negotiations are underway about accommodation and the possibility of real (labor) help to the monastery.
                    Quote: igor67
                    and the Moroccans do not like Russians.

                    They (us) are not "loved" in many places. Turks don't like it either, but they are ready to smile 24 hours a day. For rubles, euros and dollars ...

                    Why love the fascist Jews in Israel?

                    http://pogrom.org.il/rus_articles.php?art_id=94
                    1. igor67
                      igor67 24 July 2013 17: 59
                      +4
                      Quote: Dober
                      I have seen many places on the planet that are not even close to "lying" with Israel.

                      with my minimum, I can only allow a trip to Rosh ha Nikra laughing
                      1. Dober
                        Dober 24 July 2013 18: 29
                        0
                        Was twice. I went on a tour through Haifa and Nahariya. Everything would be fine, if not such a number of "cops" and the military. Almost as many as there are sightseers.
                        In general, the heat, the hustle and bustle and all the "accompanying delights."
                        I prefer silence, solitude, "severity and brutality" to "oriental bazaar".
                        For my part, I can’t give advice on choosing places to visit - well, there are a lot of them. hi
                      2. igor67
                        igor67 24 July 2013 18: 46
                        +3
                        Quote: Dober
                        In general, the heat, the hustle and bustle and all the "accompanying delights."

                        if in July, then the heat is terrible, you can’t swim because of jellyfish, I didn’t see cops in such quantities, they don’t see hummus at all, but the military, you get used to it, it catches the eye and then the routine. I can’t stand the tour , you go for a guide as a teacher in a kindergarten, plus each tourist has his own troubles, vanity.
                  2. Aaron Zawi
                    Aaron Zawi 24 July 2013 21: 38
                    +1
                    Quote: Dober

                    Why love the fascist Jews in Israel?
                    http://pogrom.org.il/rus_articles.php?art_id=94

                    You don’t love us and most importantly NEVER show up with us again. Do me a favor.
                    1. Dober
                      Dober 24 July 2013 22: 45
                      0
                      Quote: Aron Zaavi
                      You don’t love us and most importantly NEVER show up with us again.

                      Okay. I will not "love". I am more impressed by Slavs than "aronki". Maybe some Hungarian / Moldovan too.
                      And when you need advice where I "appear". The last person on the planet to whom I will turn for advice will be "Aaron Zaavi"
                      Quote: Aron Zaavi
                      Do me a favor.

                      I don’t serve on Wednesdays. Contact the Friends of Efrat.
                      "Abroad will help us" (c)
                      / from a speech by Y. Bender at a UN meeting / laughing
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                    2. Aaron Zawi
                      Aaron Zawi 25 July 2013 00: 39
                      0
                      The dog barks and the caravan moves on. hi
                    3. Dober
                      Dober 25 July 2013 01: 54
                      -1
                      Clear. Noted.
                      And there are still plots "from the animal world"?
                      I prefer dolphins. For example: "The sperm whale feeds, but the dolphin swims."
                      Wow !?
                      Sounds like a hockey game?
  • domokl
    domokl 24 July 2013 08: 56
    +4
    Quote: anip
    Most likely they expect to keep Arabs and Iran under watch and fear.

    To solve such problems, missiles of a completely different class are needed and the Israelis have them.
    1. anip
      anip 24 July 2013 13: 11
      +4
      Quote: domokl
      To solve such problems, missiles of a completely different class are needed and the Israelis have them.

      Well, actually, yes. Then it is not yet clear why Israel has such missiles. One could refer to space, but Israel has already launched its satellites with its own rocket from the Palmakhim cosmodrome.
  • Professor
    24 July 2013 08: 56
    +9
    Quote: domokl
    Interestingly, the Jews include the thought when they do such things? There is a missile that can fly to the territory of Russia. And what should we do? Naturally prepare a counter march! So now the missiles will be aimed at Israel.
    What is agony or a targeted teaser for the CU and Russia?

    Do you think before that the Russian warheads were not aimed at Israel?
    1. domokl
      domokl 24 July 2013 09: 04
      11
      Quote: Professor
      Do you think before that the Russian warheads were not aimed at Israel?

      I don’t think so, but I know. And you know it. There is no point in threatening a state that cannot really do something against you. You solve your local problems. But if you solved them earlier with our help, including, now you are potential an enemy capable of delivering a nuclear strike.
      I'm not talking about the fact that the nuclear weapons of Israel are not considered anywhere and by anyone.
      1. Professor
        24 July 2013 09: 39
        +5
        Quote: domokl
        It makes no sense to threaten a state that cannot really do something against you

        I see here paranoia curled up on the site. Israel has never threatened Russia, so as a pug can not threaten an elephant.
        1. domokl
          domokl 24 July 2013 11: 12
          +9
          Quote: Professor
          I see here paranoia curled up on the site. Israel has never threatened Russia

          Distort dear ... Of course, microbes are dangerous for humans, but they will not dare to threaten. Is the conversation just about why Israel has such missiles? Are you planning to shoot half of Europe? Or is it about Lebanon and Egypt? Will it be bold? Or will South Korea threatens. So until there is a racket ...
          The presence of carriers that can deliver nuclear weapons to our territory is already a sufficient reason for taking adequate or other measures. Do not agree?
          It seems to me that Poland doesn’t dare attack Russia or Germany, for example, but in a heap (you know, like a pack of dogs on a wolf or a bear) it’s quite ...
          1. Professor
            24 July 2013 11: 19
            +5
            Quote: domokl
            The conversation is just about why Israel has such missiles?

            For example, Pakistan get it in response ...
            1. tilovaykrisa
              tilovaykrisa 24 July 2013 11: 33
              +4
              Well, here's another 1 enemy drew from Israel. laughing
            2. Apollo
              Apollo 24 July 2013 12: 41
              +7
              Quote: Professor
              For example, Pakistan get it in response ...


              I don’t remember that Pakistan threatened Israel, you are confusing something Oleg. winked
              1. Rumata
                Rumata 24 July 2013 12: 43
                +1
                Quote: Apollon
                I don’t remember that Pakistan threatened Israel, you are confusing something Oleg.

                Russia did not threaten Israel, but then everyone decided that the missiles were aimed at Moscow.
                There may be equivalent Pakistan, India, Madagascar, New Zealand ... who have not yet threatened .. =)
                1. anip
                  anip 24 July 2013 13: 17
                  +4
                  Quote: Rumata
                  Russia did not threaten Israel, but then everyone decided that the missiles were aimed at Moscow.

                  Not all, Israel is not a suicide.

                  Although there may be such logic:
                  Israel is pushing for the creation of such US missiles, simply so that the United States has another ally with strong nuclear missile weapons. So to say, the more missiles the US allies have, the stronger they are all together and the more Russia will have to disperse its forces and strain its forces on military equipment.
                  Well, this is so, while lying on the surface, what will happen next, wait and see.
                2. Apollo
                  Apollo 24 July 2013 13: 22
                  +4
                  Quote: Rumata
                  but then everyone decided that the missiles were aimed at Moscow.



                  Here I read some comments and a state of quiet horror. The state of Israel was created with the direct participation and patronage of the USSR and now the right to the owner of Russia, many descendants in Israel will thank the USSR and Russia for their help in creating the state.
                  Further, each country has the right to self-defense, it’s no secret that we have repeatedly heard that the state of Israel should disappear from the political map of the world. This was stated not just by an individual person but by the head of another state, which is not acceptable in international practice. Question is the population where?! winked Destroy ?! It’s not a secret either Israel’s missile program is a kind of response to Iran’s missile program.Like twice two.
                  1. Pimply
                    Pimply 24 July 2013 14: 51
                    +2
                    Israel’s missile program appeared earlier, at that time there was friendship between Iran and Israel. But this is indeed a response to the threat - a considerable number of Arab countries have tried not only in word, but in deed to destroy Israel. And Iran is already modern. And not the only one.
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                  4. FATEMOGAN
                    FATEMOGAN 24 July 2013 16: 16
                    -1
                    Quote: Apollon
                    Many descendants in Israel will thank the USSR and Russia for their help in creating the state.


                    I wonder how to give thanks by supplying Saakashvili’s weapons before the attack on our peacekeepers in South Ossetia, or maybe by helping the terrorist kam in Syria? Can you give an example of Jewish gratitude to Russia ???

                    Quote: Apollon
                    Israel should disappear from the political map of the world. This was stated not just by an individual but by the head of another state, which is not acceptable in international practice. The question is, where is the population ?!


                    Why don't you remember. how the Zionists seize the land of the Palestinians, continuing their expansion, driving them out into the streets, leveling their houses with the ground, and then building new quarters on these places. Imagine, you live peacefully, the army comes, gives a kick to one place, demolishes your house with a bulldozer, and in its place builds housing for the "elite".
                    1. Pimply
                      Pimply 24 July 2013 16: 30
                      +1
                      Oh, did you wake up again? Again Georgia has surfaced. I can tell anyone. List of 30 countries. The main supplier is Ukraine. Israel is the only state that has stopped deliveries at the request of Russia. But you don’t care. As do not care about the deceitfulness of the picture that you bring
                      1 Albania
                      2 Bulgaria
                      3 Bosnia and Herzegovina
                      4 UK
                      5 Hungary
                      6 Greece
                      7 Israel
                      8 Italy
                      9 Kazakhstan
                      10 China
                      11 Latvia
                      12 Lithuania
                      13 Netherlands
                      14 Poland
                      15 Russia
                      16 Romania
                      17 Serbia
                      18 USA
                      19 Turkey
                      20 Uzbekistan
                      21 Ukraine
                      22 Finland
                      23 Germany
                      24 France
                      25 Montenegro
                      26 Czech Republic
                      27 Switzerland
                      28 Sweden
                      29 Estonia
                      30 South Africa


                      Quote: FATEMOGAN


                      I wonder how to give thanks by supplying Saakashvili’s weapons before the attack on our peacekeepers in South Ossetia, or maybe by helping the terrorist kam in Syria? Can you give an example of Jewish gratitude to Russia ???
                    2. FATEMOGAN
                      FATEMOGAN 24 July 2013 16: 54
                      0
                      Quote: Pimply
                      Oh, did you wake up again?


                      Oh, and you are always rude ... he is a Zionist and in Russia a Zionist yes

                      In the fall of 2009, Alexander Shlyakhturov, head of the main intelligence department of the Russian General Staff, said: “According to our information, Georgia, as before the events of August 2008, still receives military assistance from NATO countries, Israel and Ukraine ... The United States is training personnel of the Georgian army according to NATO tactics, Israel is supplying Georgia with unmanned aerial vehicles, and Ukraine - heavy weapons, in particular tanks and missile defense systems. " This is about when Israel stopped supplying weapons, only in 2010, when it had already sold what Georgia needed.
                    3. Pimply
                      Pimply 24 July 2013 17: 20
                      +1
                      Israel supplied residual UAVs under contract. AND? Termination of further military cooperation, you are our illiterate, does not mean the completion of contracts.
                      By the way, for some reason, you are not outraged by Russia's arms deliveries to countries with which Israel has a state of war, but outraged by deliveries to Georgia, with which Russia had quite adequate relations until the end of 2008.
                    4. FATEMOGAN
                      FATEMOGAN 24 July 2013 17: 55
                      0
                      Quote: Pimply
                      illiterate you are ours


                      Thank god not yours laughing I look, you stopped poking in communication, you began to use the pronoun You, the process of upbringing nevertheless went, perhaps I was wrong in thinking that you were hopeless, definitely small, but there is a chance, maybe about miracle, one day stop being rude and become a cultured person .. ..


                      Quote: Pimply
                      but you are indignant at deliveries to Georgia, with which Russia had quite adequate relations until the end of 2008.


                      Adequate relations, the original name - this is when Saakashvili constantly promised the war to return Ossetia and Abkhazia, the majority of whose population were Russian citizens, I'm not talking about Russian peacekeepers. Saakashili was going to kill Russian citizens, and you call this an adequate relationship. Based on this logic, it turns out that the Jews and Hitler, too, as you put it, had an adequate relationship. Saakashvili, as it was, only Russophobian relations remained and in no way adequate.
            3. Rumata
              Rumata 24 July 2013 18: 23
              +3
              Quote: Apollon
              It’s not a secret that the Israeli missile program is a kind of response to Iran’s missile program. Like twice two.

              I mean the same. I would rather believe that Jeriohon-3 should reach those parts of Iran where the second, or even Pakistan, doesn’t reach than the goal is Moscow or St. Petersburg. In addition, if you take the Jericho -2 range in 2000 km (up to 3000 are written on the wiki), then the second modification will reach Russia. And judging by the article, there are about 100 of them.
              To Volgograd 2100 km, Sochi - 1400 km to Rostov 1800, Astrakhan - 2000, Samara - 2800, Moscow - 2900.
              Why there was no hysteria before about 100 missiles aimed at Moscow, Sochi and Krasnodar. Too emotional here, many react =)
        2. Pimply
          Pimply 24 July 2013 14: 49
          +2
          It happened, however, more in traditional declarations. But Saudi Arabia, Algeria, Iraq and many other Arab countries sent troops at the time, it was
        3. Essenger
          Essenger 24 July 2013 18: 20
          +6
          Quote: Apollon
          I don’t remember that Pakistan threatened Israel

          Pakistan promised to stand up for Iran in the event of an Israeli-Iranian conflict.
          http://smart-lab.ru/blog/38588.php
        4. Professor
          24 July 2013 20: 13
          0
          Quote: Apollon
          I don’t remember that Pakistan threatened Israel, you confuse something Oleg

          It doesn’t matter whether it threatens today or not, it’s important what it is capable of. Nobody seems to threaten Russia, but Russia does not abandon nuclear weapons.
      2. anip
        anip 24 July 2013 13: 13
        +1
        Quote: Professor
        For example, Pakistan get it in response ...

        What for?
        Or just to make it clear, if we get to something, then we, too, can, so to speak, preventively scare them?
      3. smiths xnumx
        smiths xnumx 24 July 2013 13: 55
        +3
        Always liked the logic of Israel. He can have nuclear weapons and their delivery vehicles, but, for example, the same Iran, by no means. And if you can reach, then immediately strike (for example, Iraq in 1981, Syria in 2007, although it was not clear what was being built there). Although neither Iran, nor Iraq, nor Syria were going to strike nuclear weapons on Israeli territory, Israel is a bot ready to strike a nuclear strike at the same Egyptian troops in October 1973, when, according to the recollections of former Israeli Prime Minister Golda Meir, nuclear bombs were delivered to airfields for suspension on planes, and only the stop of the Egyptian troops saved the world from nuclear war. Yours faithfully! hi
        1. Pimply
          Pimply 24 July 2013 15: 04
          +1
          Let's figure it out. The main problem of Iran in several points:
          a) He signed the law on non-proliferation, and, publicly declaring it, actively violates it - as recognized by the international structures in the form of the IAEA. It also recognizes this to Russia by signing sanctions against Iran.
          b) Iran has repeatedly recorded violations of international agreements, in particular, the Vienna Convention on Diplomatic Relations, which somewhat violates ALL accepted rules of the international game. In addition, Iran recorded active terrorist acts on the territory of other states (for example, Argentina).

          That's it.
          1. smiths xnumx
            smiths xnumx 24 July 2013 16: 10
            +5
            Dear Eugene, no one has yet proven, including Israel and the United States, that Iran is creating nuclear weapons, and the Bushehr nuclear power plant is producing weapons-grade plutonium.
            Secondly, Israel has also repeatedly recorded violations of international law, such as attacks on objects of other countries (Iraq-1981, Tunisia-1985, Syria-2007), and the last attacks on Syria this month. However, other acts of the Israeli special services, recall the murder of the Canadian scientist Gerald Bull and other scientists, the abduction of Mordecai Vanunu, who revealed the Israeli nuclear program, and the killing of Palestinian activists in different countries in any international law are called TERRORISM. That is, from the side of Israel, we have a STATE TERRORISM policy.
            Thirdly, when Iran began its nuclear program, both the US and Israel and Europe supported it, despite the Iranian Shah’s statement “Iran will possess nuclear weapons, no doubt, earlier than some people think.” Nevertheless, both the USA (a 5 MW research reactor), and Great Britain and Germany supplied Iran with nuclear reactors, and Israel calmly reacted to what was happening, supplying the shah with weapons. But now all of them are alarmed and impose sanctions, threaten a blow, including nuclear, and carry out sabotage. Yours faithfully!!! hi
            1. Pimply
              Pimply 24 July 2013 16: 23
              +1
              Quote: smiths xnumx
              Dear Eugene, no one has yet proven, including Israel and the United States, that Iran is creating nuclear weapons, and the Bushehr nuclear power plant is producing weapons-grade plutonium.

              Is it? "Tehran has been actively developing nuclear weapons since 2003 and, most likely, continues to work in this direction. This is the main conclusion of the IAEA report published yesterday." RIA Novosti, November 2011.

              Quote: Kuznetsov 1977
              Secondly, Israel has also repeatedly recorded violations of international law, such as attacks on objects of other countries (Iraq-1981, Tunisia-1985, Syria-2007), and the last attacks on Syria this month. However, other acts of the Israeli special services, recall the murder of the Canadian scientist Gerald Bull and other scientists, the abduction of Mordecai Vanunu, who revealed the Israeli nuclear program, and the killing of Palestinian activists in different countries in any international law are called TERRORISM. That is, from the side of Israel, we have a STATE TERRORISM policy.


              Please be more specific. Which agreements are violated here, which laws? Give an international definition of state terrorism.

              You are poorly versed in what you are trying to proudly broadcast. For example, you are not aware that Israel is at war with Tunisia, Iraq and Syria, the war initiated by these countries, and which, incidentally, was not interrupted. The only agreement on the separation of forces in the Golan clearly emphasizes this, leaving the parties complete freedom of action and emphasizing the absence of any peace agreements.

              Have any charges been brought in the Vanunu or Buhl case?

              Quote: Kuznetsov 1977
              Thirdly, when Iran began its nuclear program, both the US and Israel and Europe supported it, despite the Iranian Shah’s statement “Iran will possess nuclear weapons, no doubt, earlier than some people think.” Nevertheless, both the USA (a 5 MW research reactor), and Great Britain and Germany supplied Iran with nuclear reactors, and Israel calmly reacted to what was happening, supplying the shah with weapons. But now all of them are alarmed and impose sanctions, threaten a blow, including nuclear, and carry out sabotage. Yours faithfully!!!


              Shah Iran clearly followed the instructions of the IAEA, without trying to hide its program and without violating the regulations. This is the main - and the decisive difference.
              1. smiths xnumx
                smiths xnumx 24 July 2013 17: 09
                +3
                Well, let's understand.
                Is it? "Tehran has been actively developing nuclear weapons since 2003 and, most likely, continues to work in this direction. This is the main conclusion of the IAEA report published yesterday."
                ... According to the IAEA, Iraq was also "developing" weapons of mass destruction, which was one of the reasons for its occupation; nevertheless, no weapons of mass destruction were found in Iraq. Moreover, the IAEA commission that visited the Iraqi reactor in Osirak in 1980 found no violations of the nuclear nonproliferation regime, which did not prevent Israel from bombing it the next year, and a French technician died. As for Iran, there is probably a difference between Iran, which is only trying to create nuclear weapons, and Israel, which already has them, has the means of delivering them and is ready to use them, as it almost happened in 1973.
                Please be more specific. Which agreements are violated here, which laws? Give an international definition of state terrorism.

                Especially for you, from Wikipedia:
                Acts of state terrorism usually mean illegal detention, murder, abduction, torture and execution of citizens without trial and investigation, carried out by law enforcement officers (police and other law enforcement agencies). State terrorism is also called terrorist acts committed by employees of special bodies of the state.
                Personally, I believe that Israel completely fits this definition, and I will try to prove it in the next post with examples. Yours faithfully! hi
              2. smiths xnumx
                smiths xnumx 24 July 2013 17: 24
                +1
                Let's continue:
                You are poorly versed in what you are trying to proudly broadcast. For example, you are not aware that Israel is at war with Tunisia, Iraq and Syria, the war initiated by these countries, and which, incidentally, was not interrupted. The only agreement on the separation of forces in the Golan clearly emphasizes this, leaving the parties complete freedom of action and emphasizing the absence of any peace agreements.

                You represent Russia and Japan also do not have a peace treaty with each other, that is, they are actually at war, especially since Japan has territorial claims against Russia, but Russia does not strike at Japanese nuclear power plants, for example in Fukushima, and does not kills Japanese scientists.
                Have any charges been brought in the Vanunu or Buhl case?
                . I quote Wikipedia again:
                Vanunu was kidnapped in 1986 by Mossad agents in Rome (a woman agent acting as a “bait agent” participated in the operation) and sent to Israel, where he was found guilty of treason during a closed trial.
                ... that is, Vanunu was kidnapped by Israeli intelligence in another state, without the consent of its authorities. taken to Israel, where he was sentenced to 18 years in prison, of which he spent 11 years in strict isolation (see the post from above on state terrorism). As for Gerald Bull, even in the West they admit that he was killed by Mossad agents (see the corresponding film of the English channel "Viasat History"). Here is another illustration: in 1973, six Mossad agents were arrested and sentenced to various terms in Norway for killing a Moroccan waiter in front of his pregnant wife, whom they mistook for one of the Palestinian leaders. There are many similar examples, google (returning to the concept of "state terrorism"). Yours faithfully! hi
              3. smiths xnumx
                smiths xnumx 24 July 2013 17: 33
                0
                Well, let's finish.
                Shah Iran clearly followed the instructions of the IAEA, without trying to hide its program and without violating the regulations. This is the main - and the decisive difference.

                The words of the Shah of Iran, I have already quoted above, I will repeat it especially for you.
                “Iran will possess nuclear weapons, no doubt, sooner than some believe”

                It's just that the Shah's Iran was a loyal ally of the United States and Israel, who supplied him with weapons and turned a blind eye to his petty "pranks". "He's a son of a bitch, but he's our son of a bitch." Moreover, the Shah maintained friendly relations with Israel. In turn, Israel viewed Shiite Iran as a natural ally against Sunni Egypt, Syria, Iraq, using the religious discord between Shiites and Sunnis. And if the Ayatollah had not come to power in Iran, Israel would not have taken an eye to the fact that Iran had nuclear weapons. For sim I take my leave. Yours faithfully! hi
              4. Pimply
                Pimply 24 July 2013 17: 36
                0
                Quote: Kuznetsov 1977
                You represent Russia and Japan also do not have a peace treaty with each other, that is, they are actually at war, especially since Japan has territorial claims against Russia, but Russia does not strike at Japanese nuclear power plants, for example in Fukushima, and does not kills Japanese scientists.

                And again - you are illiterate trying to judge what you don’t know about. Between Russia and Japan there is a state of ending the war, there is also an exchange of diplomatic missions, and trade agreements are concluded. The peace treaty is only the final document in a whole chain of documents confirming that there is good neighborly relations between Russia and Japan and that there is no state of war. Israel has an official state of war with the three states indicated above. Which once again speaks of your complete ignorance of the issues that you are trying to judge. This is called ignorance.

                Quote: Kuznetsov 1977
                . that is, Vanunu was abducted by Israeli intelligence in another state, without the consent of its authorities. Delivered to Israel, where he was sentenced to 18 years in prison, of which he spent 11 years in strict isolation (see post over state terrorism).

                Find official indictment by these Israeli authorities, as well as evidence on the matter.
                Quote: Kuznetsov 1977
                As for Gerald Bull, even in the West they admit that he was killed by Mossad agents (see the corresponding film of the English channel "Viasat History").

                Evidence base? Case, court?
                Quote: Kuznetsov 1977
                Here is another illustration: in 1973, six Mossad agents were arrested and sentenced to various terms in Norway for the murder of a Moroccan waiter in front of his pregnant wife, whom they mistook for one of the Palestinian leaders. There are many similar examples, google (returning to the concept of "state terrorism"). Yours faithfully!

                In this case, should the destruction of several leaders be called state terrorism? Republic of Ichkeria, and whether to award the title of state terrorist of Russia?
              5. smiths xnumx
                smiths xnumx 24 July 2013 20: 01
                +1
                Well, the argument is becoming interesting, let's continue:
                And again - you are illiterate trying to judge what you don’t know about. Between Russia and Japan there is a state of ending the war, there is also an exchange of diplomatic missions, and trade agreements are concluded. The peace treaty is only the final document in a whole chain of documents confirming that there is good neighborly relations between Russia and Japan and that there is no state of war. Israel has an official state of war with the three states indicated above. Which once again speaks of your complete ignorance of the issues that you are trying to judge. This is called ignorance.

                Syria and Iraq do not have a state of war with Israel, they simply do not recognize the state of Israel and do not maintain diplomatic relations with it. There was no official declaration of war. Tunisia severed diplomatic relations with Israel in 2000. Moreover, Israel itself officially considers these states "enemy" since 1939, when the state of Israel itself did not exist. Quoting from Wikipedia again:
                Israeli law refers to Hebrew. מדינת אויב - "enemy state." However, there is no single strict definition for this term. As a rule, laws and departmental decrees that use this concept refer to one of two laws containing a list of enemy states. The Trade Act of 1939, subject to all amendments, prohibits trade, as with the enemy, with Syria, Lebanon and Iran. Iraq is recognized as an enemy state, for which a temporary exception was made by order of the Minister of Finance. The Border Violators Act of 1954, subject to all amendments, establishes criminal liability for Israeli citizens for visiting the following countries recognized as hostile without special permission from the Ministry of the Interior: Iran, Syria, Lebanon, Iraq, Saudi Arabia, Yemen. With illegal entry into the territory of Israel, the citizenship of these countries is an aggravating circumstance.

                Following your logic, the Soviet Union, which severed diplomatic relations with Israel in 1967, after the death of Soviet servicemen in Egypt, had every legal right to strike at targets in Israel, for example, at the facility in Dimona. At the same time, do not tell me why Saudi Arabia, which actively supported the Palestinians and Hezbollah (before the war in Syria) and whose military units participated in the wars with Israel, is officially considered by Israel to be a "hostile" state, and did not receive an Israeli strike. And let us also politely discuss, I have never insulted you or demonstrated my superiority, although I do not agree with your position. Yours faithfully! hi
              6. Professor
                24 July 2013 20: 23
                +3
                Quote: Kuznetsov 1977
                At the same time, do not tell me why Saudi Arabia, which actively supported the Palestinians and Hezbollah

                The Saudis never supported Hezbollah. Heard the story of how Israeli sailors landed on the Saudi coast in 80's? wink
              7. smiths xnumx
                smiths xnumx 24 July 2013 20: 25
                -1
                Well, let's continue
                Find official indictment by these Israeli authorities, as well as evidence on the matter.

                The main evidence is that Mordechai Vanunu was sentenced to 18 years in prison, of which he spent 11 years in strict isolation. After serving his full term, he was released from prison with severe restrictions. In particular, he must not leave Israel, approach the foreign embassies and he is obliged to report on the planned movements. In addition, he is forbidden to use the Internet and mobile communications, as well as communicate with foreign journalists.
                Secondly, it is still not clear where Vanunu was captured. In Rome or London. Noteworthy is the phrase by Israeli Prime Minister I. Shamir, which he said in response to a request by the British authorities to provide "details of how the Israeli authorities arrested a former nuclear scientist who disappeared in London on September 30." “I believe the British are well aware that Israel did not violate British laws,” said I. Shamir. With respect to the Italian authorities, who began the investigation on behalf of Prime Minister B. Craxi, the answer was “no comments” and then they they simply advised “not to take into account” Vanunu’s claim that he was abducted in Rome. Yours faithfully! hi
              8. Pimply
                Pimply 24 July 2013 20: 44
                +2
                Quote: Kuznetsov 1977
                The main evidence is that Mordechai Vanunu was sentenced to 18 years in prison, of which he spent 11 years in strict isolation.

                You are now setting forth your speculation about the return of Vanunu to Israel., And not the facts of any official investigation, right? His prison term is 18, not 11 years, this is a separate issue.
              9. smiths xnumx
                smiths xnumx 24 July 2013 20: 53
                -1
                In this case, should the destruction of several leaders be called state terrorism? Republic of Ichkeria, and whether to award the title of state terrorist of Russia?

                Excuse me, Russia, while only one leader of the Chechen fighters, Zelimkhan Yandarbiev, was accused of killing in a foreign territory, in Qatar, in 2004, while Israel has a similar bill for dozens, if not hundreds. Personalities such as Zakayev in London or Akhmadov in the USA and other creatures live, give interviews and are not afraid of anything.
                Weapons of mass destruction were found in Iraq. Namely - chemical weapons. Not found biological. Namely, they were mainly looking for him. The presence of chemical weapons was proved by another commission back in the late 80s.

                What chemical weapons were found in Iraq, where and when? Several Iraqi ammunition with mustard gas and poisonous substances such as sarin, allegedly found by the Poles. Moreover, it is not known whether they themselves threw them up, especially since the Americans themselves helped Iraq create chemical weapons during the Iran-Iraq war. Respectfully! hi
              10. Pimply
                Pimply 24 July 2013 21: 13
                +2
                Quote: Kuznetsov 1977
                Excuse me, Russia, while only one leader of the Chechen fighters, Zelimkhan Yandarbiev, was accused of killing in a foreign territory, in Qatar, in 2004, while Israel has a similar bill for dozens, if not hundreds. Personalities such as Zakayev in London or Akhmadov in the USA and other creatures live, give interviews and are not afraid of anything.

                You forgot that Russia is the legal successor of the USSR. Trotsky.
                You are not aware that there is a completely formal charge brought by UK law enforcement agencies against Lugovoi
                http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2013/may/17/alexander-litvinenko-widow-slams-wil
                liam-hague
                There you can continue for a long time. But the situation will not change from this.


                Quote: Kuznetsov 1977
                What chemical weapons were found in Iraq, where and when? Several Iraqi ammunition with mustard gas and poisonous substances such as sarin, allegedly found by the Poles. Moreover, it is not known whether they themselves threw them up, especially since the Americans themselves helped Iraq create chemical weapons during the Iran-Iraq war. Respectfully!


                In 2006, more than 500 ammunition. Ammunition contained mustard gas (mustard gas) and nerve gas sarin.

                And here is a report on the use of weapons against the Kurds in 1988.
                http://www.opcw.org/basic_facts/html/bf2k3_ru.html
          2. Pimply
            Pimply 24 July 2013 20: 43
            0
            And why continue if you are illiterate?
            Both Syria and Iraq still have a state of war with Israel.
            Syria and Israel have an agreement on the separation of Israeli and Syrian forces from 1974 on the basis of resolution 338, which clearly states that this is not about peace, but about a simple withdrawal of troops.
            Iraq, I am one of the leaders of the so-called. "front of refusal", insisted on the formal rejection of the very principle of a peaceful settlement and the resolution No. 242 based on it; Syria did not want to be bound by any fundamental obligations. Not having achieved acceptance of its position by the "front of refusal", Iraq left the meeting of the heads of state of the "front" in Tripoli (1977) and refused to participate in two other meetings - in Algeria (February 1978) and in Damascus (September 1978). ... At that time, Iraq was actively involved in at least three wars against Israel. Diplomatic relations with Tunisia lasted exactly four years, and at the time of the situation you describe, the countries were at war.

            In 1967, there were no official military advisers to the USSR in Egypt. Unofficials began arriving in 1968. Those that were before that were present there with a very limited composition and, again, unofficially.


            Quote: Kuznetsov 1977
            At the same time, do not tell me why Saudi Arabia, which actively supported the Palestinians and Hezbollah (before the war in Syria) and whose military units participated in the wars with Israel, is officially considered by Israel to be a "hostile" state, and did not receive an Israeli strike.


            What is Hezbollah’s support from the SA? Have they collapsed from oak?

            You know, the farther you go into the forest, the more often the forest. You interfere with such a soup of fragmentary knowledge and your own ignorance that you can get fucked. Bravo!
          3. Cynic
            Cynic 24 July 2013 20: 46
            +1
            Quote: Pimply
            What is Hezbollah’s support from the SA? Have they collapsed from oak?

            Nerves ?
            You live in Russia, you should penetrate.
            lol
          4. Pimply
            Pimply 24 July 2013 20: 49
            +2
            Yes, not nerves, fucking from ignorance and aplomb. No, well, I understand everything, but so ...
          5. Cynic
            Cynic 24 July 2013 20: 57
            +1
            Quote: Pimply
            No, well, I understand everything, but so ...

            So have not yet penetrated!
            After all smiths xnumx well-intentioned to try to open your eyes, and you so ...
            yes
      4. smiths xnumx
        smiths xnumx 24 July 2013 22: 54
        +2
        Then tell the "knowledgeable" you are ours, what is the state of war between Israel, Syria and especially Iraq, after the seizure of it by the United States and subsequent occupation. The fact that Israeli aircraft regularly bombard Syrian targets with impunity. By the way, at the same time let us know how Syria, Iraq and other "hostile countries" declared war on Israel, if they never had diplomatic relations. By the way, at the same time, do not enlighten me and other members of the site, but Israel itself officially declared war during its invasions of Egypt in 1956, Syria, the same Egypt, Jordan in 1967, and Lebanon in 1982 and 2006.
        [quote] In 1967, there were no official military advisers to the USSR in Egypt. Unofficials began arriving in 1968. Those that were before that were present there with a very limited composition and, again, unofficially. [Quote]
        I will tell you. it’s a terrible secret that the Agreement signed on September 20, 1955 in Prague and promulgated by G. Nasser in a September 27 speech provided for the supply of arms and military equipment from the USSR and Czechoslovakia to Egypt in the amount of $ 250 million, it was also envisaged to send Soviet troops to Egypt instructors to help in mastering the technique. Since 1956, Soviet military specialists worked in the armed forces of Egypt. They assisted the offices of the General Staff, the headquarters of the Air Force and Navy, taught in military schools and were in some formations of the armed forces of Egypt. It was true that they were forbidden to take part in hostilities, but there is evidence that they took part in the reflection of the English-French Israeli aggression on Egypt in 1956. But since 1969, they have already begun to take part in the hostilities themselves (pilots and anti-aircraft gunners). So, learn the materiel. To get started, read the memoirs of a Soviet military translator posted here on the website, or at least the warline
        [quote] You forgot that Russia is the assignee of the USSR. Trotsky.
        You are not aware that there is a completely formal charge brought by law enforcement agencies in the UK against Lugovoi [/ quote]
        I didn’t forget, and Israel is the successor of the Ancient Israelite kingdom, so return to the Egyptians with the percentages what they stole from them during the flight with Moses from Egypt. At the same time, enlighten how Lugovoi, who quit the FSO in 1996, had anything to do with the Russian special services during the incident with Litvinenko.
      5. Pimply
        Pimply 25 July 2013 00: 21
        0
        Quote: Kuznetsov 1977
        Then tell the "knowledgeable" you are ours, what is the state of war between Israel, Syria and especially Iraq, after the seizure of it by the United States and subsequent occupation.

        Nervous. You’re mine, well, for starters, remember that we’re talking with you about 1981, right?
        Further, if you are not aware, according to the UN Charter, military actions can be undeclared - the presence of diplomatic ties is not necessary here. De jure, the situation of a state of war is fixed in dozens of documents, declarations, etc., which are freely available. You haven't been banned by Google, have you? I will tell you where to look. In particular, in meetings of the Arab League, meetings of the "front of refusal", disengagement agreements, etc. The situation is clearly described there. There are also internal acts of Iraq and Syria in relation to Israel, in which the position is also expressed more clearly. Google will also help you find that the US invasion of Iraq did not in any way affect the state of war between Israel and Iraq - the US had no goal of demanding peace from Iraq with Israel.


        Quote: Kuznetsov 1977
        during their incursions into Egypt in 1956, into Syria, the same Egypt, Jordan in 1967, and Lebanon in 1982 and 2006.

        Illiterate. You are mine, have you still not understood? And at the time of 1956, and at the time of 1967, Israel was at war with these countries. ALREADY was. The fact that the war lasts at a slightly different pace than you imagine does not make it NOT WAR.

        Quote: Kuznetsov 1977
        information that they took part in repelling the Anglo-Franco-Israeli aggression against Egypt in 1956.

        And again - in more detail. With links. About the official participation of the USSR.

        Quote: Kuznetsov 1977
        At the same time, enlighten how Lugovoi, who quit the FSO in 1996, had anything to do with the Russian special services during the incident with Litvinenko.
        According to Her Majesty’s service investigation, the most direct.
      6. smiths xnumx
        smiths xnumx 25 July 2013 01: 38
        +1
        Well, firstly, you’re my pimply, you first began to be rude, accusing me of illiteracy, although I suggested that the polemic be polite. I don’t know what it is connected with.
        Secondly, we talked not only about 1981, but also about Tunisia in 1985, and in Syria the last strikes were inflicted this month. Following your logic, Israel is in a state of war with the Arab states that have not recognized it, especially since the Israeli Knesset has officially recognized them as hostile. Well, since the war is like a war, then you consider it normal for Iraq to strike with R-17 missiles on Israel in 1991; the support of Syria and the Arab states of the Hamas and Hezbollah movements, striking at Israel, as well as other acts of "guerrilla" warfare (although I personally consider terrorist) against Israeli citizens. That is, if tomorrow Syria launches a missile or air strike on any large Israeli city, with numerous casualties, this will be an adequate response in the framework of the Israeli-Syrian war. And if tomorrow Hezbollah launches a missile attack on Israel, it is also in the order of things, since Hezbollah is a Lebanese organization and Israel is at war with Lebanon.
        Thirdly, find where I claimed that the Soviet military was officially involved in the Arab-Israeli conflict. The Soviet Union did not officially participate in the Korean War, the planes of the 64th IAK carried North Korean identification marks, but did this change something? The same can be said about the participation of the Soviet military in the so-called. In the "War of Attrition", the soldiers wore Egyptian uniforms, the fighters had Egyptian insignia, but nevertheless they shot down Israeli planes and were shot down themselves. That's what I said. At the same time, the United States, not being officially at war with the DRV, actively bombed it, "trying to bomb it into the Stone Age." And about the participation of Soviet pilots in the 1956 Suez War, you can read from Tom Cooper, Zhirokhov, Google to help you.
        Thirdly, England demanded only the extradition of Lugovoy, so that I quote: "that he was officially charged with murder and soon after that he was brought to trial in London for this particularly grave crime," and an unnamed high-ranking official announced his involvement in the Russian an official in July 2007 for The Sunday Times. That is, following your terminology, my bumpy friend, show me where the official representative of Scotland Yard or the British Foreign Office directly stated the involvement of the Russian special services, in particular the FSB, in the death of Litvinenko. With links and surname.
      7. Pimply
        Pimply 25 July 2013 02: 04
        +2
        Quote: Kuznetsov 1977
        Secondly, we spoke not only about 1981, but also about Tunisia in 1985, but in Syria, the last blows were delivered this month.


        Tunisia - diplomatic relations with Israel from 1996 to 2000. Prior to this - a state of war since 1948.
        Iraq is a state of war from 1948 to the present day, secured by the signatures of Iraqi officials in a number of documents of the Arab League and the aforementioned Front.
        Syria is a state of war to this day. All the documents signed by Syria regarding Israel emphasize that they are not an attempt at reconciliation and in no way lead to peace.
        I am telling you this a third time - you, apparently, cannot understand these simple things.

        Quote: Kuznetsov 1977
        then you consider normal R-17 rocket attacks by Iraq

        Normal - no. The countries that have signed a peace treaty with Israel - Egypt, Jordan - live quite peacefully and do not know any problems from Israel. Other countries that initially declared this war, and carefully continuing it, have the problems they have.
        Quote: Kuznetsov 1977
        At the same time, the United States, not being officially at war with the DRV, actively bombed it, "trying to bomb it into the Stone Age."


        Here is more detailed, please. Are you up to date with US goals in this war, for example?
    2. Cynic
      Cynic 25 July 2013 13: 14
      0
      Quote: Pimply
      According to Her Majesty’s service investigation, the most direct.

      Weakly, I feel sorry for these services of Her Majesty, or rather her very own, that such a special.
      So continue, familiar?
      But should I now scream for the traitor son, make noise around the world? When I found out that this is the work of intelligence, and then is that all? I’m telling you, this click in my head is MI-5 or MI-6. ” “Vladimir Vladimirovich, if you hear me, please forgive me. If I knew that my son worked for British intelligence, I would not even talk about his death. It could have been simply shot by our special services, and they would have had the right to it. Traitors must be shot. That's all. ”[101

      This is in the light of state terrorism.
      By the way, on the death of BB, bloody gebnya, read GDP, Her Majesty’s services could not be blamed.
      wink
    3. S-200
      S-200 25 July 2013 15: 50
      -3
      wink
      Quote: Pimply
      According to Her Majesty’s investigation, the most direct

      Believing Anglo-Saxons and Jews is a holy duty of Russian and other earthlings ! wassat
      (from a future draft UN resolution introduced at the initiative ... Gypsy)
  • Cynic
    Cynic 24 July 2013 21: 06
    +1
    Quote: Pimply
    In this case, should the destruction of several leaders be called state terrorism? Republic of Ichkeria, and whether to award the title of state terrorist of Russia?

    Mmm
    State terrorism is a term used to refer to state violence against civilians.

    Where did you see civilians here?
    Enforcing a sentence, just.
    If memory doesn’t change, the position of Tsahal is similar?
  • Pimply
    Pimply 24 July 2013 21: 15
    -1
    Quote: Cynic
    Where did you see civilians here?
    Enforcing a sentence, just.

    Just according to the comrade and his conclusions, this is so. My position is somewhat different.
  • Cynic
    Cynic 24 July 2013 21: 20
    +2
    Quote: Pimply
    My position is somewhat different.

    Ice ax?
    wink
  • Pimply
    Pimply 24 July 2013 21: 27
    0
    8) Approximately. Or unmanned.
  • Pimply
    Pimply 24 July 2013 17: 25
    -1
    Quote: Kuznetsov 1977
    According to the IAEA, Iraq was also "developing" weapons of mass destruction, which was one of the reasons for its occupation; nevertheless, no weapons of mass destruction were found in Iraq.

    The IAEA is a nuclear energy commission. It is for her. You know? Find me an IAEA statement of the 2000s on Iraq. And I will love 8). It will be very funny.

    Weapons of mass destruction were found in Iraq. Namely - chemical weapons. Not found biological. Namely, they were mainly looking for him. The presence of chemical weapons was proved by another commission back in the late 80s.


    You do not know the story, dear. This is illiteracy. Before you enter into a discussion and consider something - take care to provide yourself with knowledge. All the best.
  • Lopatov
    Lopatov 24 July 2013 21: 34
    +2
    Quote: Pimply
    Weapons of mass destruction were found in Iraq. Namely - chemical weapons

    Found traces of chem. weapons - empty blanks of shells with traces of sarin components. No more.
    Neither chemical, nor nuclear, nor biological, no. Although they assured the international community of their availability. And about the complete absence of chemical. weapons learned already during the war.
  • Pimply
    Pimply 24 July 2013 21: 52
    -1
    Shovels, we will slide into the same dispute now. Found old charges, and found since 2004. The main emphasis was on the presence of biological weapons, and on suspicion regarding the continuation of the nuclear and chemical programs. The presence of chemical weapons has been confirmed. The fact of the presence of chemical weapons and its use in 1988 is. We are not talking about the legitimacy of US actions, we are talking about the existence of such programs in Iraq at different time periods.
  • domokl
    domokl 24 July 2013 21: 14
    0
    Quote: Professor
    For example, Pakistan get it in response ...

    Here ... And also, Cape Verde has something that the scythe is looking at Israel ... You have a child’s argument.
  • Dober
    Dober 25 July 2013 01: 58
    -1
    Quote: Professor
    so ka pug can not threaten the elephant.

    After all, do you remember -
    "Oh pug! To know she is strong that barks at an elephant"
    / I.A. Krylov. fable "Israel and Russia" /
  • tilovaykrisa
    tilovaykrisa 24 July 2013 10: 23
    +1
    Why do we need to target you? We’re not the United States, we are a peaceful people, we consulted with the forum users and, in response, decided to sell Iran a couple of warheads, it’s up to you 1500 km there, and just a couple are enough for your country. But they will shoot, their gut is not thin.
    1. il grand casino
      il grand casino 24 July 2013 10: 42
      -1
      Quote: tilovaykrisa
      Why do we need to target you? We’re not the United States, we are a peaceful people, we consulted with the forum users and, in response, decided to sell Iran a couple of warheads, it’s up to you 1500 km there, and just a couple are enough for your country. But they will shoot, their gut is not thin.


      Do you really want an all-planet nuclear war? Or do you think that if someone "shoots" there, then all the roof will not take off?
      1. tilovaykrisa
        tilovaykrisa 24 July 2013 10: 46
        +2
        It’s already being demolished, at least 300 nuclear weapons and ballistic missiles for the state are smaller than the Tver region and no one will get into a nuclear showdown between Iran and Israel, believe me there’s no fools, remember the Caribbean crisis, it’ll reach a hot meeting table.
        1. il grand casino
          il grand casino 24 July 2013 10: 57
          +2
          There were two Powers. Who understood what was happening. In this case, there will be a meat grinder throughout the Middle East.
          P.S. Let her demolish one specific country. This is not so scary. If that calm. But right next to Iran is Pakistan, there is also India. I wonder how they look at the fact that there will be a radioactive desert at their borders?
          1. tilovaykrisa
            tilovaykrisa 24 July 2013 11: 02
            +2
            Well, it’s just the desert, don’t exaggerate, but they’ll look normally, no one will get involved, in Pakistan the military and not the Islamists in the Manual know what’s what, in India, too, lawyers would have otherwise been killed for a long time. And so it will just be more free space no more. People live in Chernobyl, and in Nagasaka, and Hiroshima, and nothing normally lives.
      2. domokl
        domokl 24 July 2013 11: 18
        +3
        Quote: il grand casino
        Or do you think that if someone "shoots" there, then all the roof will not blow off?

        If it shoots somewhere, including us too, then ... it really will blow down the roof very quickly. With the seemingly otromnosti of the planet, with the seeming opposition of states, our world is so fragile that even Izratl (now) is able to destroy it.
        The same response will naturally follow the nuclear strike. And this can only be stopped by the almost complete destruction of the existing world or even the planet ..
  • saturn.mmm
    saturn.mmm 24 July 2013 09: 20
    +3
    Quote: domokl
    So now rockets will be aimed at Israel.

    What rockets
    The length of Israel from north to south is 470 km, from east to west at its widest point - 135 km.
    One is enough there. You can even drop a bomb in the Mediterranean Sea near the coast and it will not seem enough. But Israel, a sovereign country, decided to arm itself with nuclear weapons, apparently believing that it would be safer. Iran is probably close to creating its own nuclear weapons or has already created that Israel has begun to advertise with its own.
    1. domokl
      domokl 24 July 2013 09: 27
      0
      Quote: saturn.mmm
      What rockets

      What the answer will be is not so important. Indeed, a strike from ships or bombing. Main Israel has turned into a potentially dangerous country., Or rather a potential enemy
      1. saturn.mmm
        saturn.mmm 24 July 2013 14: 59
        +1
        Quote: domokl
        The main Israel has become a potentially dangerous country., Or rather a potential adversary

        Well, yes, we lived to a potentially dangerous Israel.
    2. fedorovith
      fedorovith 24 July 2013 11: 10
      +2
      Small bug and smelly ..
  • xxxMYSTICxxx
    xxxMYSTICxxx 24 July 2013 09: 20
    +2
    Quote: domokl
    Interestingly, the Jews include the thought when they do such things? There is a missile that can fly to the territory of Russia. And what should we do? Naturally prepare a counter march! So now the missiles will be aimed at Israel.
    What is agony or a targeted teaser for the CU and Russia?

    I am interested in one "small" question, is this not the reason for regular checks of air defense and missile defense in recent years, and more and more in the south. Isn't our leadership preparing for the possible consequences of the conflict in Syria with the involvement of other regional players in it?
    1. domokl
      domokl 24 July 2013 09: 31
      +2
      Quote: xxxMYSTICxxx
      Is our leadership preparing for the possible consequences of the conflict in Syria with the involvement of other regional players in it?

      But are we ready to really get involved in the conflict? Who did this and when did he say? We will fight only when attacking us.
      And the checks are caused by something that has been little mentioned now-the American missile defense system in the geyrop has not been canceled and the implementation of the program is going according to plan. In such an environment, it would be foolish not to expand your countermeasure system ...
      1. xxxMYSTICxxx
        xxxMYSTICxxx 24 July 2013 09: 51
        +1
        Quote: domokl
        Quote: xxxMYSTICxxx
        Is our leadership preparing for the possible consequences of the conflict in Syria with the involvement of other regional players in it?

        But are we ready to really get involved in the conflict? Who did this and when did he say? We will fight only when attacking us.
        And the checks are caused by something that has been little mentioned now-the American missile defense system in the geyrop has not been canceled and the implementation of the program is going according to plan. In such an environment, it would be foolish not to expand your countermeasure system ...

        And I didn’t offer us to climb somewhere, but I only meant covering my own territory from inappropriate actions from the side of third countries ... And I regarded the exercises in the southern direction as preparation for a possible regional conflict, whether the map goes wrong
        1. domokl
          domokl 24 July 2013 11: 21
          +2
          Quote: xxxMYSTICxxx
          but meant only the cover of their own territory from inappropriate actions from the side of third countries

          Our conversation the third country is only Israel lol The rest are NATO members
    2. Pimply
      Pimply 24 July 2013 15: 05
      +1
      Have you looked where the exercises were held? And look who the neighbors are there.
  • tilovaykrisa
    tilovaykrisa 24 July 2013 10: 19
    +2
    What are you going to aim? We have a long-term infantry-fighting infantry-infantry fighting force reduced under an agreement with the United States, thanks to Misha for the eye-eyed, the dog deepened.
  • Cynic
    Cynic 24 July 2013 17: 45
    0
    Veiled recognition of possession of nuclear weapons!
  • anip
    anip 24 July 2013 07: 10
    +3
    I wonder if the Americans and their singers will yell that Israel poses a threat to democracy and the national interests of the United States and others like them? Why is Israel possible, but not DPRK?
    1. Fire
      Fire 24 July 2013 08: 23
      +2
      Because Israel is an ally of the Americans. It is sometimes called the 51st state of America.
    2. zaazua
      zaazua 24 July 2013 08: 32
      +4
      Well, so far, only the DPRK has promised to drive a rock of a neighbor into a stone age!
      1. tilovaykrisa
        tilovaykrisa 24 July 2013 10: 27
        +3
        I'm starting to believe Vanga’s prophecy that the 3rd will begin on the land of Israel.
    3. Pimply
      Pimply 24 July 2013 15: 08
      +2
      Because the DPRK signed, unlike Israel, such a small Non-Proliferation Treaty (in 1986), and actively violated this treaty, using blackmail to force neighboring countries to provide food assistance to it. This is so offhand. Continue?
      1. Essenger
        Essenger 24 July 2013 18: 29
        +3
        If not mistaken, the DPRK has withdrawn from the NPT
        1. Pimply
          Pimply 24 July 2013 19: 38
          +1
          Yeah. But the convention is this: it’s easy to sign, it’s difficult to get out. Liabilities were violated. And since the actions of the DPRK cause concern among leading countries - since the state does not have the proper system of balances that can balance the decision on a nuclear strike, sanctions have been applied to the DPRK.
  • cobalt
    cobalt 24 July 2013 07: 22
    0
    Now Iran can also calmly demand the introduction of sanctions against Israel at the UN and it is thought that a number of Arab countries will actively support this initiative.
    1. theadenter
      theadenter 24 July 2013 07: 28
      0
      It only seems to me that the UN will not support (not all members of the organization will agree to vote against their partner).
    2. Toit
      Toit 24 July 2013 08: 29
      +2
      Quote: cobalt
      Now Iran can also calmly demand the introduction of sanctions against Israel at the UN and it is thought that a number of Arab countries will actively support this initiative.

      In addition to Syria, they will not support Iran, a Shiite outcast in the Middle East, and they dislike them more than Israel.
      1. domokl
        domokl 24 July 2013 08: 59
        +1
        Quote: Toit
        t, Iran is a Shiite outcast in the Middle East, and disliked by them even more than Israel.

        Either Iran lives, an outcast is an outcast, and the rest kill each other (often with the help of Israeli aviation) lol
        1. Toit
          Toit 24 July 2013 10: 43
          +2
          Quote: domokl
          Either Iran lives, an outcast is an outcast, and the rest kill each other (often with the help of Israeli aviation)

          Saudis, UAE, Kuwait, Bahrain ........... ?????
      2. Pimply
        Pimply 24 July 2013 15: 12
        +2
        Missed Iraq.
    3. Dejavu
      Dejavu 24 July 2013 08: 40
      +3
      Double standards have not been canceled. Israel is a friend, and even if it is to blame, it is not as critical to blame as Syria, Iran, Libya, Iraq and others are to blame. The UN with a Korean man at the head is generally some kind of puppet theater with blanks.
    4. tilovaykrisa
      tilovaykrisa 24 July 2013 10: 26
      -2
      To the point of demanding something from the UN, Putin should fall at his feet so that he would sell at least one 500-kiloton warhead, at least the old, at least rusty, at least some.
    5. Pimply
      Pimply 24 July 2013 15: 12
      +4
      He can demand something. Only Israel, unlike Iran, did not sign, and therefore did not violate a number of treaties. The reason for the sanctions on Iran is a violation of its obligations, and the distrust of leading countries in its political system. And these countries include both China and Russia.
  • VadimSt
    VadimSt 24 July 2013 07: 40
    +6
    This is where "Rubezhi", "Couriers", etc. are needed, and all these Treaties, on START and INF Treaty, into the furnace!
    1. AVV
      AVV 24 July 2013 10: 23
      +4
      He outlived himself from the INF Treaty, and with the emergence of new threats, it will be right, and the States do not care from the high bell tower, they themselves have withdrawn from the agreement and did not consult with anyone !!!
  • RPG_
    RPG_ 24 July 2013 08: 00
    +1
    But what if these missiles really get to Israeli friends from al-Qaeda :)
    1. Fire
      Fire 24 July 2013 08: 26
      +2
      If they get there, someone will pick up big "mushrooms" ... and, probably, you won't have to wait long ..
  • zaazua
    zaazua 24 July 2013 08: 24
    +1
    Quote: RPG_
    But what if these missiles really get to Israeli friends from al-Qaeda :)

    belay
  • ed65b
    ed65b 24 July 2013 09: 00
    +4
    Herrews began to resemble Germany 30 arrogance and ambition rolls over. See the lessons of Auschwitz in Proc did not go dream of a pan-Jewish armageddon. To whom did the sellers hone a tooth?
    1. Professor
      24 July 2013 09: 44
      +7
      Quote: ed65b
      See the lessons of Auschwitz in Proc did not go dream of a pan-Jewish armageddon.

      Rather, the opposite. They rely only on themselves so that the catastrophe never repeats itself.

      Quote: ed65b
      To whom did the sellers hone a tooth?

      Are you talking about 12 Jewish apostles?
      1. Chicot 1
        Chicot 1 24 July 2013 14: 56
        +2
        Quote: Professor
        Quote: ed65b
        To whom did the sellers hone a tooth?

        Are you talking about 12 Jewish apostles?

        So one of these twelve still surrendered Jesus of Nazareth. For those thirty textbook silver pieces ...
        Another renounced him before sunrise ...
        This is of course, judging by the text of the canonical scripture. What really happened (if at all happened!) No one will ever know. All the witnesses departed to another world over time ...
        1. alex86
          alex86 24 July 2013 21: 42
          +1
          Quote: Chicot 1
          one of these twelve did surrender Jesus of Nazareth

          I’ll apologize for the interference, but at that time there was no one except the Jews there, so the Jew Jesus was surrendered by the Jew Judah. Therefore (paradox) - where are the Jews? ...
          1. Chicot 1
            Chicot 1 24 July 2013 22: 08
            +1
            Quote: alex86
            at that time there was no one but the Jews, so the Jew Jesus was surrendered by the Jew Judah. Therefore (paradox) - where are the Jews? ...

            How is this "and"? .. They are the main and, in fact, the main characters of the Old Testament and the four canonical Gospels, and therefore there is no such paradox here, and in this very specific case, they are very much even "with" ...
    2. tilovaykrisa
      tilovaykrisa 24 July 2013 10: 29
      +2
      They are getting ready for mass suicide, on their last trip but with fireworks.
  • knn54
    knn54 24 July 2013 09: 31
    +1
    -Israeli intercontinental ballistic missile.
    It was hard, but we got it!
    -anip: Why is it possible for Israel, but not for the DPRK?
    They are the "chosen ones."
    -Return_SSSR: AND
    * deploy missile defense systems in Syria, Iran, Armenia, Belarus, Kazakhstan ...
    PS The Israeli Navy is armed with Dolphin-class submarines capable of carrying cruise missiles. In May 2000, Israel secretly conducted marine missile tests - missiles launched from a submarine in the Indian Ocean and hit targets at a distance of about 1500 kilometers.
  • tilovaykrisa
    tilovaykrisa 24 July 2013 10: 17
    +1
    Here it is the most peaceful policy of the state of Israel, nuclear warheads, ICBMs, from whom to fight back, or rather whom the Jews were going to destroy? Anyone who sincerely loves you are much closer, or is this an argument for a slow-witted Russia?
  • Zhenya-1
    Zhenya-1 24 July 2013 10: 21
    -1
    Compared to Yars, this racket is simply a big target for Russian interceptor missiles.
    1. tilovaykrisa
      tilovaykrisa 24 July 2013 10: 33
      +2
      300 pieces will be launched and not a single air defense system can stop, the big one is not big, Russia doesn’t have this class of rockets, and Jews, for all the circumstances, cannot be considered fools and fools, for 3 years they made a new generation of rockets, they’ll bring them to mind by 2014-2015 that they wouldn’t come up with something they would buy, they wouldn’t sell it that way they would steal it, and there would be a maneuvering warhead and a means of breaking through air defense and so on and so forth.
  • il grand casino
    il grand casino 24 July 2013 10: 39
    +8
    Here I read comments ... Guys, do you really think that Israel and Russia are rivals? Here it is necessary to forgive the full hmm ... to compare whose nuclear weapons are cooler. Russia for Israel ... it is as if the proud people of Tmutarakani would decide to capture the United States or China. What a threat? They are upon us from a large tree. They have their own problems go up the roof. We have the way too. Real problems, not those beyond the seas, beyond the forests.
    P.S. Have nuclear weapons - to hell with them.
    P.S.S. Does anyone really think that Israel is climbing out of its way, doing nuclear weapons — in order to scum across Russia and then commit suicide by all the people? Well, my word ... when did the Jews have suicidal tendencies?
    1. tilovaykrisa
      tilovaykrisa 24 July 2013 10: 51
      -1
      Here the question is not whether they will climb on us tomorrow or not, the question is different, when will they be put before a tough choice on which side will they take? There are doubts that on the side of the Russian Federation, that is, another "potential enemy" possessing Yao and means of delivery to our territory, spitting on all conventions and treaties, prone to constant use of violence and waging a war for more than 50 years.
      1. il grand casino
        il grand casino 24 July 2013 11: 01
        15
        Yes, they will not take sides. When did the Jews take sides, except their own? For them, any form of aggression against Russia is death. They understand this perfectly. Ours too. By the way, Israel since its founding has been seeking support from the USSR. Yes, and now is not against it. But we bet on the Arabs (in vain). Israel therefore had to get out. Yes, and remember the same Chechen war? Who from the countries did not water us and did not condemn us for it? The same Israel officially supported ... I wonder why.
        1. tilovaykrisa
          tilovaykrisa 24 July 2013 11: 07
          +4
          Because the Russian Federation, for its part, does not throw mud at Israel for its actions towards the Arabs, remember how our media called the Lebanese events, "The military operation of the Israeli army against the terrorist group Hezbol"
          1. il grand casino
            il grand casino 24 July 2013 11: 11
            +9
            So the fact of the matter is that in fact, Israel and the Russian Federation are easier and better to cooperate than vice versa. Both in our and their government understand this.
            P.S. Hezbollah for me, the terrorists - not even considering their attitude to Israel, they cut out Lebanese Christians so much ... eh
            1. Pimply
              Pimply 24 July 2013 15: 15
              +3
              As well as several Soviet diplomats.
          2. Pimply
            Pimply 24 July 2013 15: 14
            +3
            Quote: tilovaykrisa
            Because the Russian Federation, for its part, does not throw mud at Israel for its actions towards the Arabs, remember how our media called the Lebanese events, "The military operation of the Israeli army against the terrorist group Hezbol"


            Are you kidding me? Russia does not recognize Hezbollah as a terrorist organization 8). And you, apparently, watched another TV.
            1. tilovaykrisa
              tilovaykrisa 24 July 2013 15: 23
              0
              Question to the NTV archive.
    2. Vrungel78
      Vrungel78 24 July 2013 11: 46
      +1
      The point is not the Israeli nuclear weapons, but the reaction (or rather, its absence) of super-democratic Americans and Americans.
      1. Pimply
        Pimply 24 July 2013 15: 16
        +2
        And why do you expect a reaction? The presence of nuclear weapons in Israel is due to a number of good reasons, the country has tight internal balances and is not an unpredictable dictatorship, and it has not signed treaties like the DPRK or Iran. So for what reason should there be a squeal?
    3. Hug
      Hug 24 July 2013 13: 02
      +6
      Quote: il grand casino
      Here I read comments ... Guys, do you really think that Israel and Russia are rivals? Here it is necessary to forgive the full hmm ... to compare whose nuclear weapons are cooler. Russia for Israel ... it is as if the proud people of Tmutarakani would decide to capture the United States or China. What a threat? They are upon us from a large tree. They have their own problems go up the roof. We have the way too. Real problems, not those beyond the seas, beyond the forests.
      P.S. Have nuclear weapons - to hell with them.
      P.S.S. Does anyone really think that Israel is climbing out of its way, doing nuclear weapons — in order to scum across Russia and then commit suicide by all the people? Well, my word ... when did the Jews have suicidal tendencies?




      Bravo - at least one sane was found! The rest (or the rest) is just anti-Israeli hysteria and psychosis, mixed with anti-Semitism. I really don’t know - what more.
      1. tilovaykrisa
        tilovaykrisa 24 July 2013 14: 34
        10 th
        German, we don’t need you to point out anti-simitism, we didn’t burn Jews in the furnaces and didn’t make pillows from them, go kamenti over the topic of the theft of your Bundesfer, it’s necessary in Germany and 500 lyamas were pulled to the drone.
        1. Pimply
          Pimply 24 July 2013 15: 27
          +5
          No, just guys with similar views organized such small pogroms.
  • Akim
    Akim 24 July 2013 10: 55
    +9
    There are three countries that beat outrage on this site: Ukraine, Israel, Georgia. And if there is a topic like: "Georgia bought from Ukraine tanks and patched them using Israel"will break the entire rating by comments.
    Something calmer must be. Take a weekend trip to nature. Swear on the sun going into the sunset - and everything will pass.
    1. Rumata
      Rumata 24 July 2013 11: 03
      +7
      Quote: Akim
      Georgia bought tanks from Ukraine and patched them with the help of Israel "

      ... with funding from gays from the United States and transvestites from the Urals. "Such news would have been raging for a month =)
    2. il grand casino
      il grand casino 24 July 2013 11: 03
      +2
      laughing Yes, I imagined this situation))) As for nature, yes ...
    3. anip
      anip 24 July 2013 13: 25
      0
      Quote: Akim
      Swear on the sun going into the sunset - and everything will pass.

      Why do you use foul language on the Sun? It is beautiful at sunset.
      1. Akim
        Akim 24 July 2013 15: 17
        0
        Quote: anip
        Why do you use foul language on the Sun? It is beautiful at sunset.

        Mat, we have not only a curse, but also a means of admiration. Example: What an ooh .... (well, then you know) the heifer is coming! etc.
    4. igor67
      igor67 24 July 2013 14: 26
      +3
      somewhere like that. probably? drinks
      Quote: Akim
      There are three countries that beat outrage on this site: Ukraine, Israel, Georgia. And if there is a topic like: "Georgia bought from Ukraine tanks and patched them using Israel"will break the entire rating by comments.
      Something calmer must be. Take a weekend trip to nature. Swear on the sun going into the sunset - and everything will pass.
    5. Apollo
      Apollo 24 July 2013 17: 19
      +1
      Quote: Akim
      There are three countries that beat outrage on this site: Ukraine, Israel, Georgia. And if there is a topic like: "Georgia bought tanks from Ukraine and patched them with Israel's help," it will tear the entire rating by comments.

      and where in the list are Azerbaijan and Armenia. It’s not good, like that. wassat
      1. Akim
        Akim 24 July 2013 18: 12
        +2
        Quote: Apollon
        and where Azerbaijan and Armenia are listed. Somehow it’s not good

        Really. Sorry. Some kind of "discrimination" on my part. belay
  • ed65b
    ed65b 24 July 2013 12: 09
    -8
    yes with this bomb you guys will be like rats hamstering in a dark corner. Tell me so proudly and so you eat in such quantity. Jews by nature. Or maybe they take brains for a show off then not. And a lot of ambition.
  • Straus_zloy
    Straus_zloy 24 July 2013 12: 20
    +6
    Cho for a panic? And what is the actual news / sensation? .

    Absolutely ANY country that can put a satellite into orbit can also throw a warhead anywhere in the world. At least one smile
  • Hug
    Hug 24 July 2013 13: 07
    +2
    Quote: xasharat
    Quote: ed65b
    Jews by nature. Or maybe they take brains for a show off then not.

    Who has no brains? Have a Jew? Yes, you're kidding))))))))))
    http://www.politforums.ru/internal/1227777197.html
    http://jewishclub.com/znamenitie_evrei.php?fieldlan=rus

    The largest and largest list of Nobel Prize winners were Jews.
    Many scholars are among the Jews. If they don’t have brains, then I don’t know what to say about others.



    You can’t say better!
    1. ed65b
      ed65b 24 July 2013 14: 57
      -4
      you would first get up from your knees where the God-chosen ones put you.
  • ed65b
    ed65b 24 July 2013 13: 31
    -1
    where do the laureates come from? Some Jews give bonuses to others. Let about yao recognized.
    1. il grand casino
      il grand casino 24 July 2013 13: 55
      +1
      Hmm ... and let's take these prizes from all our Jewish Jewish scholars ... This results in handouts ...
      1. ed65b
        ed65b 24 July 2013 14: 52
        +1
        take it I permit you.
  • ed65b
    ed65b 24 July 2013 13: 39
    -1
    You tell me, why the hell is a 10000 km rocket for Jews? Who is aiming for? Make little ones with the Arabs to fight. Or Jewish mania? Therefore, we are indignant.
    1. svp67
      svp67 24 July 2013 13: 46
      +1
      Quote: ed65b
      You tell me, why the hell is a rocket for Jews on 10000 km? Who is aiming
      Officially - in order to get any terrorist anywhere in the world, and not officially, I think you yourself guess ...
  • ed65b
    ed65b 24 July 2013 13: 57
    -1
    Well, if you shoot at ballistic missiles with a yab on a terrorist, then there are definitely no brains.
  • ratuld
    ratuld 24 July 2013 14: 43
    0
    Then the kagal gathered right.
    The rocket is being discussed.
    The Zulus must still be gathered and jammed with this rocket, and then scream loudly about anti-Semites.
    Terrible Jewish rocket !!!! Horror !!!!
    laughing
    The main thing is that for some reason no one is afraid of either the Jews or the IDF or the racket.
    Straight is a tragedy.
  • faraon
    faraon 24 July 2013 14: 47
    +2
    Quote: xasharat
    Quote: Rumata
    Why is the presence of a bale on someone else’s head always an xenophobic argument?

    It is unlikely that Muslims will put on a bale.

    And with my post I did not show xenophobia, but the fact that, in politics, everything is its own for Israel.
    And you are unlikely to deny it.

    Let it be called differently from you, but you must admit that faithful Muslims wear something like a bale. And that which concerns politics is a dirty girl in general, which many politicians disdain in the Muslim and Orthodox world, so we can talk about Jews . One can only relax and have fun hi
  • Chicot 1
    Chicot 1 24 July 2013 14: 50
    +1
    But in general, an amusing situation comes out - Israel does not officially confirm the presence of nuclear weapons, but it does not deny ... And then there is this very same missile, which seems to be of medium range (according to the declared characteristics), but kag-be under certain conditions, it is already an ICBM ...
    In a word - in the near future, Israel will take place as a full-fledged nuclear power, and this is, in fact, a fait accompli. The only question is, do we need this? ..
  • yanus
    yanus 24 July 2013 15: 46
    +3
    Well, they made a rocket and figs with it. Weapon in case everything is lost. As a nuclear retaliation weapon, it costs nothing. Not because it is bad, but because the "adult" countries will simply erase the entire territory with the first blow. But this is all from a number of fiction.
    Problems will be only if the neighbors of Israel for some reason get a good motivation, unite and trample on Israel. Then there is a chance to use nuclear weapons and nothing can be done about it.
  • ed65b
    ed65b 24 July 2013 15: 51
    0
    Well, so will the minus minors be silent or admit that there is a nuclear weapon?
  • bulvas
    bulvas 24 July 2013 15: 57
    +7
    everything is very simple
    Russia's military doctrine provides for the use of nuclear weapons for defense
    Those. yielding to potential adversaries in conventional weapons, Russia will use nuclear weapons in case of danger to its sovereignty and the integrity of the state.

    In Israel, a similar situation, having a hostile environment with overwhelming superiority in conventional weapons and manpower, Israel allows the use of nuclear weapons in case of danger of invasion or use by a potential adversary of WMD.

    Israel has enough forces and means without nuclear weapons to combat Hezbollah or Palestinian terrorists
    1. Cynic
      Cynic 24 July 2013 17: 51
      +1
      Quote: bulvas
      Russia's military doctrine provides for the use of nuclear weapons for defense

      You read the new Military Doctrine of Russia will be very beneficial.
      The use of nuclear weapons in any (even local and non-nuclear) conflict under the threat of Russia is recognized as permissible.
      bully
  • faraon
    faraon 24 July 2013 16: 05
    +1
    Quote: ed65b
    Well, so will the minus minors be silent or admit that there is a nuclear weapon?

    Yes, actually no one denies this. Why not, Israel did not sign any treaties, a country with a stable, predictable, economically stable, technologically advanced, why not.
    She is threatening someone, no, she is rattling with weapons or reporting to the whole world about her world domination, no. Or she promises to wipe some country into powder, again no.
    This is a weapon to deter some hotheads - before they do something, they should think about it. The blow will not follow immediately.
    And as far as Russia is concerned, it’s quite funny how to compare the capabilities of Russia and Israel in Krylov's fable "The Elephant and the Pug."
    Yes, Russia - Israel throws only caps with it and that will be enough.
  • Odysseus
    Odysseus 24 July 2013 17: 19
    +1
    The absurd situation when Israel possesses nuclear weapons and modern means of delivering them, and "world public opinion" considers Iran's semi-mythical "nuclear program" a reason for bombing, and shouts about the inadmissibility of nuclear weapons proliferation leads to sad thoughts about progress as such. For many thousands of years, the whole the progress of mankind (excluding technology) has come down to the fact that the power of lies has been added to the power of weapons.
    All the same, the classics talking about the decay of the capitalist world were right.
    Previously, the most aggressive capitals (for example, Fascist Germany) were at least honest.
    1. Pimply
      Pimply 24 July 2013 17: 26
      +1
      Why would it be semi-mythical. There are IAEA reports that it is very real.

      Israel did not sign one small treaty, but Iran signed. And by signing, violates its terms.
      1. Odysseus
        Odysseus 24 July 2013 17: 44
        0
        Quote: Pimply
        Why would it be semi-mythical. There are IAEA reports that it is very real.

        There is no ready bomb even according to the IAEA reports. Moreover, the IAEA itself is exactly the same instrument of pressure as "public opinion"
        Quote: Pimply
        Israel did not sign one small treaty, but Iran signed. And by signing, violates its terms.

        The DPRK has long withdrawn from the non-proliferation regime, but nevertheless it is being held under sanctions and in an absurd manner demanding the fulfillment of this treaty.
        For example - "The head of EU diplomacy, Catherine Ashton, also said that the international community will not tolerate violations of the non-proliferation of weapons of mass destruction by North Korea."
        Israel has nuclear weaponswell, tell me about it directly.
        It will be bad from a moral point of view, but at least honestly.
        1. Pimply
          Pimply 24 July 2013 18: 01
          +1
          Quote: Odyssey
          There is no ready bomb even according to the IAEA reports. Moreover, the IAEA itself is exactly the same instrument of pressure as "public opinion"

          Someone says there must be a finished bomb? Enough breach of contract.


          Quote: Odyssey
          The DPRK has long withdrawn from the non-proliferation regime, but nevertheless it is being held under sanctions and in an absurd manner demanding the fulfillment of this treaty.

          To enter into a contract is simple, to get out of it is problematic, especially for a country that regularly violates agreements.
          1. Odysseus
            Odysseus 25 July 2013 00: 56
            -2
            Quote: Pimply
            Someone says there must be a finished bomb? Enough breach of contract.

            If Iran really violates something, it’s bad. But it’s absurd to say that Iran threatens Israel with violation of the non-proliferation treaty, when Iran does not have nuclear weapons, and Israel that refuses to sign the non-proliferation treaty has it.
            Unfortunately, international law is written strong and the situation is absurd when some countries have nuclear weapons, while others cannot have it.
            But one must either try to change the rules, as the communists did (for example, Chicherin’s statement on general disarmament), or live by these rules.
            And then the wines of those countries that did not sign the non-proliferation treaty (Israel, India, Pakistan and North Korea) are much more than the wines of countries violating it.
            1. Pimply
              Pimply 25 July 2013 01: 09
              +2
              Quote: Odyssey
              If Iran really violates something, it’s bad. But it’s absurd to say that Iran threatens Israel with violation of the non-proliferation treaty, when Iran does not have nuclear weapons, and Israel that refuses to sign the non-proliferation treaty has it.

              International law, for starters, does not exist as a single system. Iran is not only systematically violating the treaty. To begin with, he violated several extremely important agreements, including the Vienna one on diplomatic immunity. And this is one of the fundamental agreements of world politics. Then - Iran theocracy, with a tough dictator at the head. Which often spoke with rhetoric similar to Hitler’s rhetoric. Nobody wants Hitler with a nuclear bomb. In the course, by the way, as Ayatola Khomeini called the USSR, for example. There are no internal balances in Iran for people who can use a bomb. In Israel they are. Therefore, claims against Iran, although Israel is also not left alone.

              Quote: Odyssey
              for example, Chicherin’s statement on general disarmament)

              The Communists did not try to build for the common good. It is a myth. They also had their own interests. And this is logical. Idealists do not rule states - too many compromises have to be made. And when they rule - it turns out about the same as in Cambodia - for the sake of the ideal, the country is drowned in blood.
      2. Cynic
        Cynic 24 July 2013 18: 01
        -1
        Quote: Pimply
        Israel did not sign one small treaty, but Iran signed. And by signing, violates its terms.

        Demagogy at the state level.

        Actuality.
      3. Rumata
        Rumata 24 July 2013 18: 04
        +6
        Quote: Pimply
        Israel did not sign one small treaty, but Iran signed. And by signing, violates its terms.

        Moreover. This agreement is not just a piece of paper. A country that has signed such an agreement gains access to technology. Iran signed, paid, and Russia built a nuclear power plant for them. Heavy water production technologies, etc. were provided. It goes without saying for free. but if Iran didn’t sign this agreement, he wouldn’t get the technology and now, perhaps, he would build the first experimental reactors for the first nuclear power plant.

        Not just like that, everyone pokes this agreement. Thanks to him, Iran in a couple of years received what it would have spent a decade on. You can also write about the purchase of fuel for reactors, which without entering into a non-proliferation agreement, no one would have sold to Iran.
  • 12345
    12345 24 July 2013 17: 46
    0
    In vain they are. I mean "white and fluffy".

    They will ensure that they will get into the "crosshairs of the nuclear sight" by Russia. Just in case.

    Yes, and the Islamists will speed up and make an atomic grenade. And, then they will tear it on their territory, but at the border. Ah, then a few. Simultaneously. In strict accordance with the prevailing "wind rose".

    How much does Israel need? With its size - with a wart on the globe?

    And all the "white and fluffy" - will briskly wash away into the Dead Sea, which will become the Sea of ​​the Dead. Well, those who survive will not last long anyway. Radiation, you know ...

    There are much more Arabs, no matter who the survivors are "sniffing" at. And the Arabs have a place to hide. Therefore, the Arabs, in general, are guaranteed to survive.

    As a result: excursions "to holy places" - only with a dosimeter, to the OZK and accompanied by the military, Jews - again "nowhere to live" and they again "in the diaspora" together mourn the new "Holocaust". The Arabs cheerfully celebrate the victory, occasionally giving birth to freaks, however, not too noticeable against the general background of rabid Islamists. (And, "get rabid" - will be from what).

    Personally, I would not want to. Well, it is better to let our "white and fluffy" from us - "there" go than back to us.
    1. shpuntik
      shpuntik 24 July 2013 18: 05
      +2
      12345 KZ Today, 17:46
      And all the "white and fluffy" - will briskly wash away into the Dead Sea, which will become the Sea of ​​the Dead. Well, those who survive will not last long anyway. Radiation, you know ...


      laughing The perfect kill ...
      Plus for Russian ingenuity. Arabs would not have thought of it.
      what
    2. bulvas
      bulvas 24 July 2013 19: 06
      +7
      Quote: 12345
      With its size - with a wart on the globe?

      And all the "white and fluffy" - will briskly wash away into the Dead Sea, which will become the Sea of ​​the Dead. Well, those who survive will not last long anyway. Radiation, you know ...


      you are an evil person, with a hangover, probably
      such nonsense, only with a hangover and can be carried

      before raving like that, we would go see. Jerusalem, Christian Shrines,
      how cities are developing, what people are on the streets. They would listen, see how in the desert, without water, where even insects do not live, they grow the best fruits and vegetables in the world, how they create technologies, which dogs are kind here, much kinder than some people here on the forum ...
      and all because people do not envy anyone, they do everything themselves and rely on their own strength
      1. 12345
        12345 24 July 2013 20: 18
        +1
        Quote: bulvas
        ... what kind of dogs are here ...


        Ah, and what kind and well-bred dog a certain Adolf had. He still poisoned her, before he either poisoned himself or shot himself ...
        There was a very kind dog. Not like guarding concentration camps.

        Ah, but how kind and gentle a certain Heinrich Himmler was towards German children. Then, too, something happened to him ...

        And in general, in relation to each other, the Germans of the Third Reich were surprisingly sensitive and sincere. At the same time, oddly enough, there was no shortage of SS recruits.

        Quote: bulvas
        ... and all because people do not envy anyone, they do everything themselves ...


        When you sit on a powder keg with a smoldering wick, it is difficult to concentrate on any particular experience and, in order not to think about the inevitable, you try to fussyly distract yourself with at least some work.

        Therefore, and - "do not envy", therefore - "do". Avon, the other day, with a great fright - ICBMs "done". Yes, but they are unlikely to help them. And they themselves understand it.

        Do you think that SO can be envied?
        But ...
        1. alex86
          alex86 24 July 2013 21: 52
          +1
          Forgive me, but this is complete nonsense ...
  • igor67
    igor67 24 July 2013 17: 56
    +3
    Quote: 12345
    There are much more Arabs, no matter who the survivors are "sniffing" at. And the Arabs have a place to hide. Therefore, the Arabs, in general, are guaranteed to survive.

    you already excuse me, neighing that you smoke respected? What a clever such radiation laughing .How will selectively kill Jews, do you even imagine how Jews and Arabs live here? There is no border in your understanding, everything is mixed up here. The village is an Arab village, Jewish, everything is mixed in cities
    1. 12345
      12345 24 July 2013 18: 34
      0
      Quote: igor67
      ... there is no border ...


      And, you, "respected", do not live otherwise than near those very nuclear storage facilities. Oh, too obviously "slow down".

      There was no talk of Israeli Arabs. They are doomed anyway. Nadys, your compatriot "faraon" explained everything popularly how you drive them into the ghetto.
    2. Cynic
      Cynic 24 July 2013 19: 21
      +1
      Quote: 12345
      And all "white and fluffy" - will quickly wash away into the Dead Sea,

      In general, you can drown in the Dead Sea, once washed there!?
      1. igor67
        igor67 24 July 2013 19: 52
        +3
        Quote: Cynic
        Quote: 12345
        And all "white and fluffy" - will quickly wash away into the Dead Sea,

        In general, you can drown in the Dead Sea, once washed there!?

        Well, tourists from Russia are trying, you can’t laughing
        1. Cynic
          Cynic 24 July 2013 20: 18
          0
          Quote: igor67
          must not

          And then lucky!
      2. 12345
        12345 24 July 2013 20: 21
        0
        Quote: Cynic
        In general, you can drown in the Dead Sea, once washed there!?


        Not everything is drowning that is being washed off somewhere ...

        Did not notice?
  • igor67
    igor67 24 July 2013 19: 02
    +2
    [media=http://9tv.co.il/video/2013/01/14/40093.html] гетто laughing
  • igor67
    igor67 24 July 2013 19: 08
    +2
    Quote: 12345
    There was no talk of Israeli Arabs. They are doomed in any way
    somehow it’s not human, but they are not people
    1. 12345
      12345 24 July 2013 20: 29
      +1
      Quote: igor67
      Quote: 12345
      There was no talk of Israeli Arabs. They are doomed in any way
      somehow it’s not human, but they are not people


      Oh, play out for such seditious thoughts.

      The rabbis recognize - and you will fly out of the Jews, like a cork from a bottle. At once you will feel yourself "in the shoes of an Arab" - a second-class man. And maybe - the third.
      For the "second-rate", I heard, you keep Jews from Russia and the former USSR.
      1. alex86
        alex86 24 July 2013 21: 55
        +1
        Quote: 12345
        For the "second-rate", I heard, you keep Jews from Russia and the former USSR.

        Well, yes, if you consider that there are half of them ...
  • Black
    Black 24 July 2013 19: 20
    0
    Quote: 12345
    Jews - again "nowhere to live" and they are again "scattered"

    request How nowhere ??? What about Birobidzhan?
    1. Moderately continental climate.
    2. The absence of evil Arabs. (And no longer need any Menhoteps and Eirichons!)
    3. A little sand and a lot of firewood.
    1. bulvas
      bulvas 24 July 2013 19: 32
      +4
      Quote: Chen
      How nowhere ??? What about Birobidzhan?


      No, dear, you have to bring and protect your own land in order.
      There will be no more freebies, you need to search and develop your smart heads
    2. 12345
      12345 24 July 2013 21: 19
      +1
      Quote: Chen
      How nowhere ??? What about Birobidzhan?


      Yes, really ... Ah, with Birobidzhan, Grandfather Stalin pinned on THEM! laughing

      I've been there. To put it mildly, the region is beautiful, but very harsh. I would even say very severely harsh. Well, Chelyabinsk is harsh, and this one ...

      And, here's what is embarrassing: grandfather Stalin, apparently understood that these "white and fluffy", which in all the cracks "torn and dare, everywhere they crawl into the dough with yeast" sooner or later, but they will bring it "to the zugunder". That, in fact, happened at the turn of the 80s - 90s.
      So grandfather Stalin planned how to compactify this "yeast". Compost heap principles. There is such a pile: it will ferment and perereet and, instead of poisonous manure, quite a useful fertilizer is obtained.

      And, the Jews themselves, very much, wanted to get the Crimea, "in autonomy." At least in the form of a gesheft for organizing the October coup of 1917 and backbreaking executions in the organs of the Cheka-OGPU.

      Almost immediately after the end of the civil war, Jews began to petition for the "need for national autonomy." In Crimea, ess-but. Nothing less, but through "the head of the Jewish section of the RCP (b) A. Bragin" ©

      Shit! Despite all the Bolshevik "internationalism", the Jews even in the RCP (b) managed to completely isolate themselves!

      Fortunately, not for long. After Stalin dealt with the then Jewish "white tape" party opposition, and reduced the Jewish ethnic composition in the "punitive organs" from more than 80% (!) To some "miserable" 20%, Stalin remembered about the required once " autonomy "- and, with a generous hand, he did!
      Instead of the affectionate Crimea ... in a very, very Far East. In 1934 ...

      Subsequently, realizing that you cannot drive the "white and fluffy" ones to work in the taiga, but you cannot keep them there, and that the concept of a "compost heap" is stalled, grandfather Stalin contributed to the creation of the state of Israel. The smartest man was.

      So, dear Cherniy, they will find reasons for you not to go to Birobidzhan. And thank God! Pushshai - they go to Israel. All! Every single one.
  • faraon
    faraon 24 July 2013 20: 16
    +1
    Quote: 12345
    Quote: igor67
    ... there is no border ...


    And, you, "respected", do not live otherwise than near those very nuclear storage facilities. Oh, too obviously "slow down".

    There was no talk of Israeli Arabs. They are doomed anyway. Nadys, your compatriot "faraon" explained everything popularly how you drive them into the ghetto.

    Yes, your esteemed one, it is clear that you have a feeling of hatred towards the Jewish state.
    Come and see with your own eyes. How the oppressed Palestinian people live in Israel. Look at what kind of houses they build for themselves, what kind of cars they drive, In which schools their children study, in what uni get an education, then then talk about these topics. living in this ghetto rather than huddling in a slum with children and grandchildren.
    1. ed65b
      ed65b 24 July 2013 20: 30
      0
      c'mon scare us here with Palestinian millionaires. at home in your half cinder block. In debt, you are all in silk. what kind of cars they luxury you have, not everyone will buy and the Arabs move on the bare rubbish. They completely enchanted the people. Nazi Zionists.
      1. Pimply
        Pimply 24 July 2013 20: 53
        +2
        You should have seen what "rubbish" this is, especially in the West Bank. Mercedes, BMW, Koreans and Japanese of the latest models ...
      2. igor67
        igor67 24 July 2013 21: 03
        +3
        Quote: ed65b
        c'mon scare us here with Palestinian millionaires. at home in your half cinder block. In debt, you are all in silk. what kind of cars they luxury you have, not everyone will buy and the Arabs move on the bare rubbish. They completely enchanted the people. Nazi Zionists.

        Especially for you, I took the street and houses from the window, there the Mercier and the Porsche are parked. It’s strange why the shot is upside down
        1. ed65b
          ed65b 25 July 2013 21: 16
          0
          E mine, I have windows; the red square is visible))))))) and so, where are the Arabs in geldings and Porsche ???
    2. shpuntik
      shpuntik 24 July 2013 20: 58
      +1
      Foreman
      faraon IL Today, 20:16 New
      You yourself would go to live in this Ghetto and not be huddled in a slum with children and grandchildren.

      Knock on the door:
      - Does Rabinovich live here?
      Voice from the door:
      - Is this life?
  • shpuntik
    shpuntik 24 July 2013 20: 50
    +5
    The Israeli ambassador speaks at the UN: - I want to start my speech with a tour of history. Once upon a time, Moses led the Jews through the wilderness. It was hot, I was thirsty. Then Moses hit his hand on the dune, and it turned into a lake. The Jews got drunk, and Moses took off his clothes and went for a swim. When he came out of the water, there was no clothing. Most likely, the Arabs stole it!
    Yasser Arafat jumps up: - A lie! At that time there were no Arabs !!!!
    Ambassador of Israel: - That's exactly what I wanted to start my speech with ....
  • za VDV
    za VDV 24 July 2013 21: 15
    0
    Yes, it will be necessary to remain without rockets, your cunning will not be enough for the ingenuity and endurance of the Russian soldier!

    [Pskov paratroopers once again proved that Russia cannot be defeated]

    Pskov paratroopers became the winners of the prestigious Peace March, which took place in the Netherlands. These are annual competitions that have been held since 1909. They are attended by international military delegations and professional athletes from around the world. They need to overcome a distance of 160 kilometers in 4 days. Movement is allowed only on foot. This year almost 40 thousand people competed. Many due to serious congestion left the route. However, our paratroopers reached the finish line in full force.
  • sashalenovo
    sashalenovo 24 July 2013 22: 00
    +1
    The country is 5 million people. And it produces tanks, and electronics for aircraft, and air defense, and even intercontinental missiles.
  • gregor6549
    gregor6549 25 July 2013 04: 37
    +2
    When it comes to the strategic nuclear missile forces of Israel, you need to understand that Israel creates such a means not only as a last reserve in case of war with its closest neighbors, but also in order to prevent their neighbors from interfering in this war with powerful friends. After all, such a precedent was already in 0 when the defeated Arab countries asked the USSR for direct military assistance and the USSR was already ready to provide such assistance. Israel then subtly hinted to Moscow that if it was driven into a corner and tried to arrange a second Holocaust, it would have no other choice but to use its nuclear potential and their delivery vehicles (Jericho missiles, Phantom F1973 planes, etc., in order to inflict this on all organizers The Holocaust is very serious damage, even if after that there will be a desert from Israel. And the United States was not going to calmly look at turning Israel into a desert, declared an alarm in its armed forces and brewed its nuclear missile forces into a state of full combat By the way, Israeli delivery vehicles for nuclear weapons could reach many capitals of the Union republics of the USSR, including Moscow. Brezhnev and his comrades understood the hint and agreed to moderate their ardor. As a result, many Arab countries that were friends with the USSR saw who plays the first violin in the Bl East and went under the wing of the United States, and the USSR was sent into the far distant forgetting to pay for the weapons and military equipment delivered to it by many billions of rubles. So for those who can’t wait to cover Israel with a copper basin, it would be nice to recall a not so long history with geography and its lessons. And at the same time remember that the USSR was then an order of magnitude, if not two, stronger than modern Russia
    1. zbidnev
      zbidnev 25 July 2013 07: 17
      +1
      Israel is a state of one blow and larger players were deciding its fate at that time. They agreed, thank God. To be honest, they made a rocket, well, well done, then they can and they want. The problem is that there are the rules of the game, the so-called international agreements and laws. And everyone must fulfill them, Israel is no exception. And if Iran is trying to create a guarantee of security against democracy, then the same shit of democracies begins to blow, and Israel howls most of all when I can’t do it in the apricots!
    2. ed65b
      ed65b 25 July 2013 21: 18
      -2
      Yes, you are lying all, the Jews crap one's pants then and on loose started fighting.
  • old man54
    old man54 25 July 2013 17: 59
    -5
    It is high time to add this fascist state of Israel to the list of targets of our nuclear weapons, just in case! As already mentioned here: "the bug is small, but it is very smelly!" From the verbiage of a certain "Bumpy" on this topic just turns out! Visitors Iran, allegedly (absolute speculation so far) is violating some international promises there and, accordingly, Israel has the right to bomb it, arrange unambiguously terrorist acts to kill its scientists and so on, but do the same with respect to Israel, which is much more inadequate internationally. level, constantly fights and arranges aggression against its neighbors - DO NOT! bully It was necessary in the days of the USSR to deliver a preventive non-nuclear missile and bomb attack on its atomic research and production facilities, and we were morally right!
    I know, there was a plan, in 1973 it seems, to deliver a series of point bomb conventional-non-nuclear strikes, in calculated places and calculated power, with a certain time interval at the location of their underground nuclear center, which would cause seismic movements and ground displacement (earthquake) and how the consequence is the complete destruction and destruction of this center. But ... did not dare then, but in vain! angry
  • LAO
    LAO 27 August 2013 17: 18
    0
    According to the reviews, one can immediately see how Jews are "loved" in Russia.
    I wish the Russians as soon as possible to get rid of all the foreigners - Jews, Germans, etc.
    It is unfortunate that they once came to Russia, and their descendants became Landau, Lifshitz and others.
    Once Einstein, Freud left Nazi Germany ... They left for America and American science rose sharply.
    Apparently - until another thunder strikes in Russia ... the Russian xenophobe will not understand anything !!!
  • Oleg Salov
    Oleg Salov 11 July 2020 14: 27
    0
    And where did Israel get 200 warheads when they had only 80, France had 300 charges, England had 215, China had 270, Pakistan had 140, India had 130, and Israel had 200.