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FTP of the development of the Far East: 8 trillion is not the limit?

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As is known, the federal targeted program, aimed at the development of the Far Eastern macro-region, begins its work in Russia. On the “Military Review”, the theme of the development of the Far East is raised quite regularly, and we are trying to cover all the innovations that appear in the FTP. It is time for the next series of coverage of the implementation of the Federal Targeted Program in view of the fact that the innovations have once again proved themselves.


FTP of the development of the Far East: 8 trillion is not the limit?


They are connected with the recent speech by the Minister for the Development of the Far East, Viktor Ishayev. This time, a federal official said that, according to the calculations of the ministry headed by him, for the full-scale implementation of the program for developing Far East into reality, it is necessary to expand the budget of the Federal Program to 7,9 trillion rubles. At the same time, according to the same Viktor Ishayev, today a whole number of projects worth a total of 4 trillion rubles are being implemented, but the ministry has other projects that need to be implemented before the 2018 year. It is for these projects that the official wants to get 3,9 trillion from the state budget.

If we talk about basic plans for which 4 trillion rubles are necessary to spend, then the construction of new railway lines within the framework of the Baikal-Amur Mainline and the Trans-Siberian Railway, which (tracks) will increase the throughput capacity of these main railways, is highlighted here. Invested money, according to the letter of the Federal Target Program, can increase cargo turnover, increase the average speed of goods on the east-west highway several times. The basic plans include a plan for the development of the Far East aviation. The main problem is the lack of air transport infrastructure in many regions of the Far East, which would allow more active development of trade relations between individual territories, as well as passenger and cargo traffic. If you believe the federal target program, then by 2018 the total number of airports and runways in the Far East and the Baikal region should be more than 60 units. The main emphasis is on the reconstruction of airfields built back in Soviet times.

One of the most ambitious projects of the program is the construction of a bridge that will connect the mainland with Sakhalin Island. Today, this bridge would allow us to give a tangible impetus to the development of Sakhalin. If we take into account that oil and gas projects on Sakhalin alone are worth hundreds of billions of rubles, then the construction of a transport infrastructure facility would be more than justified.

Initially it was planned that the object "Selikhino-Nysh" (the official name) could be put into operation in 2015 year, however, today even the officials, who often wishful thinking, decided to be more cautious in their statements about the timing of delivery of the object. A new problem that arises during construction looks in fact old and quite familiar: it turned out that the allocated funds were not enough for the construction of the object in question. This was stated by the governor of the Sakhalin region, drawing attention to the fact that the budget of the region before 2015 has already been fixed, and the funds that are prescribed in it for the implementation of this program will not be enough for this implementation.

Recall that initially the cost of the bridge between Sakhalin and the mainland of Russia was determined in 400 billion rubles. Now, according to the new calculations of the Ministry of Eastern Development, we need to raise the level of spending on 100 billions. In order to compare with something, 500 billion rubles is about a third of the adjusted budget expenditures for the construction of the Sochi Olympic facilities.

As they say: a hundred billion more, a hundred billion less ... But even if we consider that another 100 will be thrown into construction, it is not clear which project will be implemented. After all, today experts cannot agree on what will be more effective and cheaper - a bridge-bridge or a tunnel under the strait. And so far, plans to continue this branch right up to Hokkaido look completely incomprehensible.

More precisely, the plans look understandable, it is not clear who, when and at whose expense will implement them. As they say, you first give one hundred billion, and then we'll see ...

If this requires an "extra budget trillion", then it is not at all clear what function private investors perform in our country. Are they made to collect cream? What are they investing at all - exclusively in drilling new “holes” for pumping out oil and gas? Apparently, the private investor is sickened by the fact that the new transport project will begin to generate income for at least five years ... But you need a lot and at once! .. Oh, yes! Why bother to invest private capital when there is a federal budget ... Perhaps the Minister of Development of the Far East will speak, say that little money is allocated - you see, the president will cry out and throw a couple trillion more, and money bags, which often became so same state budget.

The minister made a speech ... The President after some time, you see, and wept, but not about the fact that little money was allocated for the implementation of the Federal Target Program, but about the fact that once again the expenditure of allocated funds could not be fully controlled . Of course, I don’t want to make pessimistic forecasts, but all similar programs and projects suggest that a piece of cake will definitely be stolen ... And they will steal until personal responsibility is introduced: a bridge, say, needed - build! Only if it suddenly turns out that the requested amount was not enough - you yourself leave with the wheelbarrows and picks on the highway. And let someone say that it gives some GULAGovschina, but, apparently, in the case of large construction projects in our country can not be otherwise.

If you don’t enter personal responsibility, you will soon have to give out material about how 8 trillions and 28 were asked to implement the program for the development of the Far East ... Then, according to the classics of the genre, President Putin will arrive at the facilities under construction, ask how much they spent. they will answer him: they wanted eight at first, but then they had to throw in another couple of tens of trillions. And the president will make a gloomy face and will demand to punish the guilty ... The further scenario is also known.

Summing up, we can say the following: reading the Federal Target Program on the development of the Far East and the Baikal region, pride in the country takes on the scale and solidity of the plans. But as soon as you begin to compare the numbers allocated from the federal budget and plundered on other large-scale construction sites of New Russia, the thought immediately arises: yes, when they’re already stole something ... When they say, well, enough with us - now it’s time for the country to work. When?!..

Or, maybe, the Federal Target Program for the Development of the Far East will be the first program in Russia, all allocated funds of which will be spent exclusively on its implementation - a dime past ... Faith feeds the person ...
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  1. sasha.28blaga
    sasha.28blaga 23 July 2013 07: 15
    21
    I don’t even want to talk about DV. I live here and I can see how and where the money goes. We have two hydroelectric power stations and a third one under construction, we drive electricity in China, and the light is more expensive than in Moscow and than in China where we sell it. I mean gas, oil to China, and gasoline in China is cheaper, gold is dripping ... A total of 3 million people live in the Far East, and a dozen live.
    1. King
      King 23 July 2013 07: 23
      +7
      We live in the north where gas and oil are practically underfoot. and gas prices gas and electric. more than in Moscow.
      1. Far East
        Far East 23 July 2013 15: 36
        +4
        Dear, I agree with you on all 101% Since the Far East region, all the juices almost squeezed out timber, precious metals, fish resources, oil, gas. And nobody wants to invest, and our prices are twice as high as in Russia. Previously, people went here for a long ruble, but now everyone is running away from here. Sorry! something like that.
      2. 225chay
        225chay 24 July 2013 12: 06
        +2
        Big money again ... and Ishaev again?
      3. Troitsky
        Troitsky 24 July 2013 22: 45
        0
        In Russia, the price of gasoline will always be higher than in the Arab countries! Just because most deposits are located in permafrost areas, and it is much more difficult to mine there. Plus its transportation over long distances. Oil must pay off!
        About which part of the Far East by the way are we talking about? And then I have friends in Yakutia, from them I hear the opposite of your speeches here.
    2. Bigriver
      Bigriver 23 July 2013 07: 32
      +3
      Quote: sasha.28blaga
      ... we drive electricity in China, and the light is more expensive than in Moscow and than in China where we sell it. Gonim is gas, oil to China, and gasoline in China is cheaper, gold is dripping ...

      Wholesale price electricity for China and domestic wholesale price in Russia is the same - 1 rupee 50 kopecks. The difference appears when this electricity :) reaches the end user via networks. The same thing happens with the Chinese price for their consumers. She grows at times.
      The price of gasoline in Russia has a very large excise tax, which is replenished by the budget. In China, politics, like the economy, is different.
      For example, in China there are no pensions and northern territories smile
      1. sasha.28blaga
        sasha.28blaga 23 July 2013 10: 13
        +5
        Dear, I understand what you are writing about, but three million people are a quarter of the population of Moscow. What are the expenses and incomes of Moscow in comparison with the Far East. "They" say to develop the Far East, so at first it is necessary to make benefits, as under the communists. Over the past six months, two of my daughter's classmates left for the west, did not even wait for the sale of the apartment. What is it about?
        1. Z.A.M.
          Z.A.M. 23 July 2013 12: 39
          +5
          Quote: sasha.28blaga
          What is it?


          How about what? wink
          Putin was recently on Sakhalin, 16.07.13/XNUMX/XNUMX.
          The topic of the development of the Far East was "touched upon" ... Yes ... As they say, it would be better not to touch it.
          Putin, once again, was either surprised or ... hell knows what he had in mind ... After all, he was informed before the meeting, they say, your instructions, plans, from December 2012 , on the development of the Far East no more than 20% (!!!!!)
          Well, then, as the author of the article -
          "If you do not introduce personal responsibility, then soon you will have to issue material about how not 8 trillion, but 28 trillion were asked for the implementation of the program for the development of the Far East ... Then, according to the classics of the genre, President Putin will arrive at the facilities under construction, ask how much they spent, and they will answer him: at first they wanted eight, but then they had to throw a couple dozen trillions more. And the president will make a gloomy face and demand to punish the guilty ... The further scenario is also known."

          He said - you have to work. In the fall I’ll ask ... probably strictly. laughing Maybe he'll even put someone in the corner. If they don't scatter like the Moscow Region "Kuzya" lol

          PS I personally, only for the development of your region. But with such a "fulfillment" of plans, which can only be regarded as sabotage or sabotage, I do not know request
          1. Yarosvet
            Yarosvet 23 July 2013 14: 47
            +6
            Quote: Z.A.M.
            He said - you have to work. In the fall I’ll ask ... probably strictly. Maybe even someone in the corner put.
        2. Bigriver
          Bigriver 23 July 2013 16: 38
          +1
          Quote: sasha.28blaga
          Dear, I understand what you are writing about, but three million people are a quarter of the population of Moscow. What are the expenses and incomes of Moscow in comparison with the Far East. "They" say to develop the Far East, so first it is necessary to make benefits, as under the communists ..?

          I answer your bewilderment smile
          The income of Moscow and the Far East is, I agree, a different order of welfare. And I absolutely agree that something needs to be done with this!
          For example, to nationalize monopolies: railway and disintegrated RAO UES. And equalize prices across the country for electricity. And to subsidize transport in the Far East at the expense of Muscovites, Novgorodians, Samara, ets. They will be very happy about it. laughing
      2. lazy
        lazy 23 July 2013 17: 13
        0
        And what is the price for the Chinese consumer? can you name exactly?
        1. mogus
          mogus 23 July 2013 17: 55
          +1
          http://www.km.ru/biznes-i-finansy/ekonomika-rossii/energetika/13494
          In the meantime, China buys electricity in Russia at prices below domestic prices: in 2010 - about 1,25 rubles. for 1 kWh. And the population of Blagoveshchensk pays for it an average of more than 1,95 rubles


          http://zorins.livejournal.com/62088.html
          "payment" in China for electricity
          To translate prices into rubles, we multiply exactly five, the average is 4,5 rubles / kWh.
          I draw your attention to the fact that the tariffs on the bill are for industry, the outskirts of the Shenzhen urban district, a substation owned by the plant, voltage 6KV, if I do not confuse anything.

          In my factory, under similar conditions, the peak is 4,80 rubles per kWh (China 5,68), half peak 3 with kopecks (3,92), night - 2,60 (1,70). The average goes from 4 rubles to 4,20 per kWh, about 10 percent lower than that of the Chinese brothers. This is the second argument that Russian production can compete with Chinese.

          In the comments we write the price with us and enjoy our superiority over the curved Chinese.


          http://www.newsru.com/finance/25feb2013/electro.html
          "Russia sells electricity to China for less than its citizens"

          http://sinocom.ru/showthread.php?p=139914
          forum.
    3. CAMS
      CAMS 23 July 2013 14: 02
      +7
      I live on dv. in the past year before last I worked at facilities, pulled gas, and from the end of that year I’m still sitting on breadcrumbs, there’s practically no work, winter is ahead, and this muzzle speaks of projects, bullshit !!! !!!
    4. lazy
      lazy 23 July 2013 17: 12
      +3
      and Putin's answer to the question of why electricity is cheaper in China is interesting, obviously not an answer, but a childish excuse
    5. Combitor
      Combitor 24 July 2013 03: 41
      +1
      <Tariffs for housing and utility services increased in Sakhalin
      ASTV - 18.07.13/XNUMX/XNUMX
      According to the chairman of the REC, Mikhail Krinitsky, the tariff for thermal energy from July 1 increased by no more than 12%. For most consumers, it will be 2 thousand 11 rubles. 51 kopecks for one gigacalor, including VAT. Given the invariance of the tariff in the first half of the year, its average annual increase this time will be no more than 6% of the level of tariffs in force in September-December last year.
      Considering that the first half of the year accounts for more than 60% of thermal energy consumption, and this amount of energy is paid at the last year’s tariff, in the average annual value compared to December last year, the heat tariff in 2013 will increase by no more than 4,5%.
      As for the electricity tariff, it is the same for all residents of the region - 3 rubles. 37 kopecks per kilowatt per hour including VAT. Its growth in comparison with the tariff in force since July 1 of last year amounted to 10,13%. The average annual growth is no more than 5% and is comparable to the inflation rate.
      Tariffs for cold water supply and sanitation services since July 1 have increased by no more than 11% compared with December. Unlike tariffs for heat and electricity, they do not have a single value and depend on the production conditions of a particular resource supplying organization.
      Tariffs for cold water supply and sanitation services since July 1 have increased by no more than 11% compared with December.
      The retail gas price for the population will increase by 1% from July 15. This is a single growth rate for the whole country, and the influence of the regional regulator on it is minimal, since prices are dictated by the federal tariff service.>
      So what is Ishaev talking about the development of the Far East? These 8 trillion. Is it not from our pocket that officials will again drank rubles?
  2. King
    King 23 July 2013 07: 18
    +1
    If half of the allocated money goes as intended and it will be good.
    1. Login_Off
      Login_Off 23 July 2013 08: 11
      +7
      And you better ask a question to the AUTHOR of the article: "Dear, have you looked at the map of the country for a long time? What size is it in the Far East? Do you compare it with the Sochi objects? Nuka, tell me what is the climate and what is the seismicity of the area? And what is the distance of transportation of building materials and is there entrances in order to transfer such a volume of materials? Is Uv.Avtor familiar with how roads and bridges are built in the same Yakutia and why not all metal structures can be delivered there (they do not deliver large-scale boron, it is not profitable). With permafrost and what methods to deal with it and on How much does this increase the cost of construction? The author knows? The author knows that there are only TWO cement plants in the entire Far East and now the construction of a cosmodrome is underway, and houses must also be built (although there is more to private investors a question, but a question to the government about creating conditions). also like a stone, but it is not so easy to find it suitable for its strength, and for example, crushed stone in Komsomolsk-on-Amur "fonit", in Yakutia this is also not so smooth, Khabarovsk crushed stone is normal, but again, how much does it cost to deliver? "

      So when you answer this question, then it will compare the cost of construction in Sochi and the Far East and at least figure out the distance for the logistics of building materials in one line.
      Do not forget that most of the work here is SEASONAL, that is, you can’t build roads all year round, you can’t even fill the embankment in winter, so you work in the summer and you need to earn money all winter long.
      1. fzr1000
        fzr1000 23 July 2013 08: 14
        0
        Granite crushed stone always fonit. It doesn't really matter where it is mined. Therefore, gravel is coming into concrete for houses.
        1. Login_Off
          Login_Off 23 July 2013 16: 46
          +2
          It protects the phonite, but one is larger, the other is smaller. And at the expense of adding gravel to concrete, I don’t know how where, but the floor slabs and monolith everywhere we use only crushed stone as aggregate aggregate.

          BMA is not a problem to download, now there is even something to carry and carry, but the tariffs are just brutal.
          1. fzr1000
            fzr1000 23 July 2013 17: 15
            0
            I meant gravel rubble, not granite.
            1. Login_Off
              Login_Off 23 July 2013 18: 08
              0
              Yes. You can gravel crushed stone, but its adhesion is less due to the remains of "pellets".

              BAM and now loaded is not even bad.
      2. ed65b
        ed65b 23 July 2013 13: 24
        +1
        And BAM will be loaded onto what and it would be something to carry.
      3. alexstex
        alexstex 25 July 2013 15: 50
        0
        From myself I will add for delivery to the Far East
        20 foot container
        Moscow - Vladik - 100 thousand
        Vladik - Korsakov - 120 thousand
        Korsakov - North Sakhalin - 40 thousand
        Total: 260 thousand + cost of cargo.
        The cement leaves gold, there is practically no rubble in the north, everything is imported.
  3. Alez
    Alez 23 July 2013 07: 19
    +6
    In the absence of a coherent program of control over the spending of budgetary funds, the next cut of the budget will turn out. We'll hit the tails when some of the money goes to waste. The officials who allowed the theft will be displaced horizontally, to the position of a consultant on "FIG knows what issues", and there you see the statute of limitations has passed, other construction projects need to be mastered. And all over again.
    1. serge-68-68
      serge-68-68 23 July 2013 07: 47
      +4
      And they won’t hit on the tails. They steal it, for reporting some jalabud will be built and forgotten.
  4. mogus
    mogus 23 July 2013 07: 23
    +1
    according to the plans of the railway - to create a bypass road on Lake Baikal in order to increase the speed of the trains (now they are "climbing" the mountains with the trailer of the second locomotive).
    At the station "Petrovsky Zavod" - a neck, as the regional chief of the railway put it. There are plans to expand, but so far there is silence - there is no recruitment of additional workers ...
    Well, we'll see.

    witch is thirty-seventh... but very sorrycutterseffective managers - supervision is needed. Or so and so, already in Siberia fellow - type punished
  5. fzr1000
    fzr1000 23 July 2013 07: 53
    +4
    I can’t see Ishaev’s face. Life was a success, and there are still trillions on the way.
    1. Bigriver
      Bigriver 23 July 2013 07: 58
      -1
      Quote: fzr1000
      I can’t see Ishaev’s face. Life was a success, and there are still trillions on the way.

      Well, in vain smile
      Normal guy .., for the official.
      In the 90s have repeatedly met. For work.
      And by the way, he is a good manager. Was winked Now I do not know.
      But, IMHO, if anyone is able to extend a comprehensive program on the Far East, then there are no larger calibers. He knows the region thoroughly.
      1. fzr1000
        fzr1000 23 July 2013 08: 08
        +6
        I also met with Yeltsin, greeted my hand in 93. Why, a normal man, smiling. stop
        1. Bigriver
          Bigriver 23 July 2013 08: 39
          +4
          Quote: fzr1000
          I also met with Yeltsin, greeted my hand in 93. Why, a normal man, smiling. stop

          Do not distort and read carefully stop
          My opinion is not about an external, superficial impression.
          I wrote above about the manager and knowledge of the potential and problems of the region.
          Ishaev, in the Khabarovsk Territory and the region, is still respected by the majority: from the population, the business environment, business leaders, to governors of other territories.
          1. fzr1000
            fzr1000 23 July 2013 08: 46
            +1
            I can read. Well, I have other information and opinion about this "respected" official. With which I stay. hi
            1. Bigriver
              Bigriver 23 July 2013 10: 11
              +2
              Quote: fzr1000
              I can read. Well, I have other information and opinion about this "respected" official. With which I stay. hi

              Let it be your way.
              He is a scoundrel and a useless person, because you have information and you do not like his face.
              And 80-90% of Khabarovsk citizens who voted for Ishaev for 18 years were greatly mistaken.
              hi
              1. fzr1000
                fzr1000 23 July 2013 10: 14
                +2
                Accidentally minus slapped you. I will be corrected. Muscovites also voted for Baturin, the devil knows how old. This is not an indicator, alas.
            2. Uncle lee
              Uncle lee 23 July 2013 10: 15
              +8
              That's it, other information .... And now he is not the same governor.
          2. Far East
            Far East 23 July 2013 15: 57
            +6
            Buddy, what are you talking about! Ishaev is a good leader !? RAVE! sheer. I didn’t shake his hand, but I don’t shake hands with him either. he clung to the feeder like a leech and didn’t rip off. With his submission, he destroyed such a base "BOR" In the city of Sovetskaya Gavan, which fed the fish., by industry, almost the entire country. I don't even want to write about him.
            1. lazy
              lazy 23 July 2013 17: 21
              +1
              while the seaside was simply plundered, in the Khabarovsk Territory a normal road appeared to Komsomolsk, gas to Khabarovsk, they began to build a road to Vanino. a normal man, and Khabarovsk in many ways became a city more or less decent thanks to his efforts
              1. Far East
                Far East 26 July 2013 04: 56
                0
                Quote: lazy
                while the seaside was simply plundered, in the Khabarovsk Territory a normal road appeared to Komsomolsk, gas to Khabarovsk, they began to build a road to Vanino. a normal man, and Khabarovsk in many ways became a city more or less decent thanks to his efforts

                Dear what gas? What are you about! the branch passed by half of the Hub., cr. the road has been under construction for more than 13 years and there is no end to construction! Primorye means robbed and Khbr., The region was built Nonsense! I don’t want to write about him!
        2. ed65b
          ed65b 23 July 2013 13: 23
          0
          And how he was resting on a Baikal with Kohl and driving the guards into the water, a flint man.
      2. Timeout
        Timeout 23 July 2013 14: 14
        +1
        Quote: BigRiver
        And by the way, he is a good manager. Was winked now I do not know.

        Yeah, but now he's just an effective manager. Now all Sakhalin projects go to Putin through him, like a production sharing agreement! 10% of what you mine, the rest to the west.
        1. Bigriver
          Bigriver 23 July 2013 16: 12
          +1
          Quote: Timeout
          ...
          Now all Sakhalin projects go to Putin through him, like a production sharing agreement! 10% of what you mine, the rest to the west.

          You expressed enchanting nonsense.
          The PSA you are talking about was lobbied by the Yabloko people of Mr. Yavlinsky in the mid-90s. And they pushed it through.
          PSA damage is not in some 10 percent. This is a very long conversation. There will be a topic - let's talk.
          Well, hell with him. The terms of the agreement were practically annulled by Putin under the dull screech of the West in 2003.
          And now the question:
          With what side, in general, the Khabarovsk governor could influence the forcing of the PSA in the State Duma? If even Farakhutdinov (the head you know why) could not do this?
          And where did you get such an exotic version? Share info, I'm interested.
          1. Timeout
            Timeout 23 July 2013 18: 01
            +5
            An interesting version? Dear, it so happened that I was born and raised on the wonderful island of Sakhalin! As a teenager, I unlearned at the 8th pheasant (Sakhalin residents know what it is where and how), then the army and the stuffy Kandahar. And then dmb, in the midst of the most cooperative relations, I did not like it and I went on extra time. Then a military school with all the coups of the nineties and the first Chechen school to boot. After the hospital in 1, he returned home to rest, and saw how the local authorities, headed by the governor and the EBN, began to derail the island's bins, first they canceled the border zone, after which clouds of Caucasians came. Then the governor changed and began to negotiate with the Westerners on the exploitation of the island's bowels. Even at the beginning of the emergence of mobile communications, 1996% of the income of mobile companies went to the governor personally! Well, in the final, a company like "Horns and Hooves" with the name "Sakhalin Energy" was organized under the patronage of the governor and the EBN. An agreement was signed for the development of the shelf by Western companies and a PSA agreement. In the end, during the change of power, the governors crashed in a helicopter along with his team and all the results passed to the company Putin and Co., Sakhalin residents both sucked and sucked, Primorye is sitting on Sakhalin gas and oil! Sitting on gas, less than 10% of the infrastructure is gasified, all profits from production go to Rosneft and Gazprom in a company with Western partners. And in the regional budget there is no such item as revenues from the oil and gas complex ... Do not talk about what you have no idea about!
            1. Uncle lee
              Uncle lee 24 July 2013 02: 46
              +6
              Everything was so, and it is! And what does it matter to us that we are "World Energy Leaders" - the words of Putin. It is a pity that few people know this information!
            2. alicante11
              alicante11 24 July 2013 15: 50
              0
              And what does Ishaev have to do with it? It seems that he did not govern you.
              Now nothing depends on Ishaev. He became old and was pushed aside from his affairs, like a minister at 65. But his merits are great and therefore you cannot simply retire, therefore an honorable exile. And he himself, people who saw him in person, say he is holding himself badly. It is quite possible that he was hooked on this project, so that later it was more convenient to remove it - for failure. LADIES promised 12 trillion. And they gave 4. And where will investors get the money? We have the same out of pocket, higher prices. Or do you think that they have "extra" money from somewhere or that conscience suddenly wakes up?
  6. Alez
    Alez 23 July 2013 07: 54
    +1
    Quote: serge-68-68
    And they won’t hit on the tails. They steal it, for reporting some jalabud will be built and forgotten.

    Like the road from Magadan to Yakutia.
    1. fzr1000
      fzr1000 23 July 2013 11: 32
      0
      This road is being built, in vain you are. This is a very complex object.
  7. Alez
    Alez 23 July 2013 08: 15
    +1
    And how he danced, and how he beat the drums, but how he drank, and how he drank Russia.
    Quote: fzr1000
    I also met with Yeltsin, greeted my hand in 93. Why, a normal man, smiling.
  8. strange and pretty meaningless
    strange and pretty meaningless 23 July 2013 08: 27
    +5
    it is completely not clear what function private investors perform in our country. Are they made to collect cream?
    in general - so. With regard to the bridge (tunnel) to Sakhalin, the scheme is planned as for all privatization objects - the object is built at state expense, and then it is given (not immediately, of course) into the hands of the "fictitious owner". And - it is operated until wear and tear. The blossoming face of Mr. Ishaev in anticipation of "mastering" the funds. And what is his deputy! Seryozha Shepelyavy himself. Serezha's wife, actress Belobrov, is a billionaire. Takota.
    1. ed65b
      ed65b 23 July 2013 13: 20
      +3
      I remember about the actress of the local theater who received more than Angelina Jolie in her life a year laughing
      1. strange and pretty meaningless
        strange and pretty meaningless 23 July 2013 15: 32
        +1
        Talent, panmaish - and people like it laughing
  9. Uncle lee
    Uncle lee 23 July 2013 10: 23
    +6
    With this transition Sakhalin-mainland has been worn for more than a dozen years. The same Ishaev, being the governor of the Khabaroskiy krai, was categorically against this bridge: they say we’ll pump up the money, but there’s nothing to transport, we need to calculate the economy. And now all hands "FOR", why would it? And one bridge will not solve anything, you need a branch to Komsomolsk, and there are only mountains ... And on Sakhalin there is a railway branch to the south of the island. And the infrastructure ... In short, the second BAM, the road to nowhere ...
    1. fzr1000
      fzr1000 23 July 2013 10: 42
      +3
      BAM was a road "to where". When I was in the Russian Railways in 2008, there is a map in the office of one "boss" where the railway branches are 300-500 km from the BAM like bones in a fish from the spine. They were going to develop Siberia with his help, but the USSR ended.
      1. Uncle lee
        Uncle lee 23 July 2013 12: 53
        +6
        That's it - it was. My boy served in 93 on BAM, so one train a day and villages abandoned, even whole glasses - a wilderness, there is no one to even rob.
        1. fzr1000
          fzr1000 23 July 2013 13: 51
          0
          Well, the 93rd and this year there is still a difference for the better. It’s just far from ideal.

          Look, 12 million tons of cargo per year according to Russian Railways, i.e. 1 million tons per month or 33333 tons per day, this is clearly not one train.
    2. Far East
      Far East 23 July 2013 16: 09
      +2
      And in your opinion, through which city the ferries go to Sakhalin there is the city of Sovetskaya Gavan and the village of Vanino, that is, the port is from there, and there is a train station to Komsomolsk, and there is a road
    3. Bigriver
      Bigriver 23 July 2013 16: 28
      +2
      Quote: Uncle Lee
      With this transition, Sakhalin-mainland has been worn for more than a dozen years. The same Ishaev, being the governor of the Khabar Territory, was categorically against this bridge: they say we swell the money, but there is nothing to carry, need to calculate the economy... And now all hands "FOR", why would it?
      And one bridge will not solve anything, you need a branch to Komsomolsk, and there are only mountains ... And on Sakhalin there is a railway to the south of the island. And the infrastructure ... In short, the second BAM, the road to nowhere ...

      Are you against counting the economy?
      Do you own the Vanino port cargo turnover figures 10 years ago, and now? A port that works with Sakhalin’s cargo ...
      You know that the volume of transshipment at only one point in Vanino has more than doubled.
      And the applications for the railway, again, are twice as many. This year, almost 30 million tons. Almost half of this volume does not allow to process precisely the capabilities of BAM and the Trans-Siberian Railway.
      And in vain you are talking about BAM like that. This branch off the coast is almost 700 km shorter than the section of Trassib. And this, excuse me, is the cost of the transported cargo.
      The reconstruction of BAM and Trassib is the FIRST and main regional project. Which a multiplier will give an impetus to a lot.
      Well, this is a topic for the whole publication.
      1. Uncle lee
        Uncle lee 23 July 2013 17: 18
        +8
        Do you know that this cargo turnover is coal that goes to China and on their own ships? Do you know that 10 ferries went to Sakhalin in the USSR, and now only four and one have stood all winter for a sludge, because there was no cargo not on Sakhalin and vice versa and it is sold on nails? Do you know that BAM began to be built before the Second World War, but did you have to freeze the construction site? And if even then they knew that BAM is needed, then who is against it? It was built for the development of the Far East, and not for the thoughtless export of everything and everything from Russia. You then what benefit from this, to me, and 99% of the people, no.
        1. Far East
          Far East 26 July 2013 05: 12
          0
          Quote: Uncle Lee
          You then what benefit from this, to me, and 99% of the people, no.

          here you are my friend has turned down, what a benefit! I already wrote, there’s a forest here, which almost no one has cut out. color-met, in short everything is there and everyone deflates. The benefit for everyone is enormous in that, sho all this is sold over a hill, but that's where all the money settles, this is another question. That's something like that. remove the PINK GLASSES! with respect.
  10. ed65b
    ed65b 23 July 2013 10: 23
    +3
    In the uncle in the photo, a happy hand already pulled for a money card, prepared where to transfer. And then, what kind of money will have to be mastered, already breathtaking from a percentage. and if not one but several?
    1. Alez
      Alez 23 July 2013 11: 23
      +3
      This card is a universal transport card. He, like all officials of the Far East, travels by municipal transport.
  11. sasha.28blaga
    sasha.28blaga 23 July 2013 10: 34
    0
    I forgot that Ishaev is not a relative of Kolesov, the former governor of the Amur Region. If so, then of course "a very good manager", following the example of Kolesov. Kolesov didn’t last two years, local merchants grabbed him, but first he had them.
    1. Bigriver
      Bigriver 23 July 2013 11: 27
      0
      Quote: sasha.28blaga
      I forgot, Ishaev is not a relative of Kolesov, the former governor of the Amur Region ...

      When Mr. Kolesov in the early 90s was deputy. the head of the shop of some kind of plant in Kazan, Ishchaev was already the governor here and headed the regional association of the subjects of the Far East and Transbaikalia.
      Are you from Blaga? smile That should know and his predecessor - Korotkov.
      My classmate No.
      1. sasha.28blaga
        sasha.28blaga 24 July 2013 03: 21
        0
        Korotkov, even in the worst nightmare, could not afford what Kolesov did. What did Korotkov do pranks in comparison with the graduation of Kolesov.
  12. Goldmitro
    Goldmitro 23 July 2013 12: 02
    +7
    <<< But as soon as you start comparing the figures allocated from the federal budget and plundered at other large-scale construction projects in New Russia, the thought immediately arises: when will they already bail ... When they say: well, that's enough for us - now it's time for the country to work hard ... When ?! .. >>>
    They get a lot of money when the country's leadership has enough political will and determination to make this process and its results for thieves economically inappropriate, but legally REALLY criminalized! What is meant? He stole, caught, took by the ass ... and on the bunk, and for such a period that after leaving the slammer there would be no time left for a "second" call! And all property - exactly ALL property, as unjustly acquired, since it is unlikely that the thief will be able to prove otherwise, is returned to the state's income, and regardless of who it is written on - it is rewritten: grandfather, grandmother, granddaughter, acquaintances, confidants, etc. and, moreover, with responsibility for the latter as accomplices in the concealment of the crime. Moreover, there are no statutes of limitation for these crimes! Then it will come to everyone that there is NO SENSE to steal, IT IS MORE PRECIOUS! And political will is needed, since the process must be started from the very top, regardless of rank and position, (so that there is no burden like with Serdyukov and Co.), besides, such kipesh will begin in the thieves' hive and in the West, for which theft and corruption in Russia their main assistants!
    1. ed65b
      ed65b 23 July 2013 13: 18
      +2
      Quote: Goldmitro
      When they say: well, that's enough for us - now it's time for the country to work hard. When ?! .. >>>

      It will be like in a joke
      -time and think about the people
      -Yes, it wouldn’t be bad, that’s three hundred souls.
  13. Isk1984
    Isk1984 23 July 2013 13: 06
    +4
    Honestly, I think the point is not actually the amount of trillions being pumped, the Far East is the richest region, Primorye is a separate song in general, it’s a pity that many people were in Turkey and did not see Primorye with its unique nature, and that’s why I’m here at this forum it has already been concluded a long time ago that the country's leadership delimited the interests of the country and their own personal interests, thus they have no interest in raising the region, but only the cut-off schemes for the injected funds, given the normal power of all local officials, they would have long ago kicked in tax regimes the region has tight control of financial resources and it would be all the way people would feel real support not wherever they would run from there, but you would look from the center and vice versa would stretch the youth ... There is no political will, and it is a pity the far distant unique place of our Big MOTHERLAND ....
  14. DZ_98_B
    DZ_98_B 23 July 2013 16: 53
    +2
    A project like "to the Russian island"? Bridge to SAKHALIN? Maybe the life of Sakhalin residents should be improved? When the bridge is built, and this is possible ..... They will begin to understand that the bridge was built in the wrong place, that it is not very resistant to earthquakes, and even for an air strike, the bridge is a tasty target. Help SAKHALINS with money, RUSSIAN PEOPLE. FOR THE INDIGENOUS RESIDENTS! No need to pump money into some kind of fan-pharaoh project.
    1. Uncle lee
      Uncle lee 23 July 2013 17: 21
      +9
      We have a joke: When the bridge is built, here we will run away from hard labor hi
  15. Volkhov
    Volkhov 23 July 2013 16: 56
    0
    Just if you rebuild Vladivostok, then the Koreans will occupy it carefully.
  16. Net
    Net 23 July 2013 17: 22
    +2
    If this requires an "extra budget trillion", then it is completely unclear what function private investors perform in our country. Are they made for collecting cream? What are they generally investing in - exclusively in drilling new "holes" for pumping oil and gas? Apparently, a private investor is sickened by the fact that a new transport project will begin to generate income, at least in five years ... But you need a lot at once!

    So this is understandable! The same banks, proudly called "the engines of the economy", save in the period of the crisis with cash injections in the first place. But when the time comes to spin this "engine" for the good of the country, they immediately forget about it. This proves once again that their main type of activity, and as a result of their income, is speculative operations, not investment in the economy.
  17. lazy
    lazy 23 July 2013 17: 28
    +2
    they will turn a lot of course, Putin went on the asphalt along the Chita-Khabarovsk highway, and this year I drove down to Amur on it, again many digging sections with gravel are digging, but this is not a construction site but a reconstruction.
  18. Totenkopff
    Totenkopff 23 July 2013 17: 36
    +3
    Wait for the update in the Forbes list. Replenished by residents of the Far East or rather effective managers.
  19. akv0571
    akv0571 23 July 2013 17: 46
    +1
    With such corruption - all the new projects were cut by the dough, Ishaev can and therefore now over the Sakhalin bridge, that now other amounts will pass through it than before.
    And gasoline in China is more expensive than in Russia, when last year I drove a car with Heihe to Harbin in a car with a Chinese friend, then 93 or something nearby but not 92 cost about 38 rubles per liter for our money, Good then 92 about 30r. Electricity for the population is also not cheap, the energy distribution office of Russian electricity in China also stands out for its wealth in Heihe.
    But interestingly, a plane ticket for some reason is much cheaper than in Russia. For example, Harbin - Shanghai - Hanoi back there - 16000 rubles. Khabarovsk-Kamchatka round-trip for 30 000r. The train compartment - Tomsk - Irkutsk round trip - 11500rub.
  20. Magadan
    Magadan 23 July 2013 23: 43
    0
    Zh.D. to Magadan (someone will cut down a boblo). And they asked the question? Is the "game" worth the candle? People are leaving, the villages are abandoned, or half empty. But the gold has not been transferred, they found gas if they search and they will find diamonds if they want.
  21. Kolyma
    Kolyma 24 July 2013 03: 34
    +1
    Quote: Magadan
    Zh.D. to Magadan (someone will cut down a boblo). And they asked a question? Is the "game" worth the candle?

    For a self-respecting state, modern and developed, taking care of its citizens (well, at least positioning itself like that), this is not even a question! There should be a railway to Magadan. And to Magadan, and to Yakutia, and to Kamchatka, and to all other regions of our vast where its law-abiding citizens live, regularly and regularly paying taxes to its treasury. Expensive? Well, of course it's expensive! And why would it be cheap on such a scale? Infrastructure development in abandoned regions is always expensive, but promising, if the Far East is still needed by the state. Because IMHO, only if there is a developed infrastructure, some kind of revival, and then the development of the Far East, is possible. It would be very nice if the user attitude to regions was also changed. Well, of course, the topic of theft is probably one of the most sick and neglected, especially with regard to "our" local thief - until we transfer these nits, we will regularly pay for their holiday of life - touring the world and real estate in Miami, etc. . unpretentious places ...
  22. Kolyma
    Kolyma 24 July 2013 04: 01
    0
    PS Well-being and security of citizens of all regions of the country, this is the main responsibility of the state before its people. And the question should not arise about any price (at least the financial component) in solving this problem. We are not capitalists to the marrow of our bones, while, as the zombie box assures us, we have a common "national heritage" hi
  23. akv0571
    akv0571 24 July 2013 07: 51
    +1
    Quote: Kolyma
    PS Well-being and security of citizens of all regions of the country, this is the main responsibility of the state before its people. And the question should not arise about any price (at least the financial component) in solving this problem. We are not capitalists to the marrow of our bones, while, as the zombie box assures us, we have a common "national heritage" hi

    Now, if these words would only be in the thoughts and deeds of the Russian state. officials ....
    And then the majority is precisely the capitalists: they sell Russia with the people in place, then they buy in order to sell it again.
  24. Flash_96
    Flash_96 24 July 2013 16: 25
    0
    The railway and highway to Magadan and beyond are very necessary for the development of the region, but with such executors the projects will be consumed by all state funds and reserves. Maybe it’s worth the power to change first, and then take on these strategic plans, and the weapons program is planned !! ! Objectively, the state will not pull, so I think 30-40 years minimum, unfortunately !!!