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Marine base in exchange for a loan

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Recently, it was reported that Russia had planned the formation of the Mediterranean squadron, which was a very high-quality system for deterring potential adversaries (read the USA). Such measures have led to the fact that this very enemy decided to take over not only the Mediterranean Sea, but also the entire world ocean, thus realizing its plans and achieving its goals.

Of course, when such information appeared, most of the country's citizens didn’t react to this event, because most of them were concerned with how to feed their families, and not at all with how many submarines and surface ships sailing in the Mediterranean.

It should be noted that over the past two decades, the Mediterranean region has become one of the most intense in the world. In it, with a certain periodicity, bloody conflicts arose that did not at all contribute to a peaceful life. Suffice it to recall Yugoslavia, Lebanon, Libya, Tunisia, Egypt, Northern Cyprus, Syria, Palestine and Israel. In the absence of restraining forces, this region has become a broad path through which representatives of various radical and extremist organizations continually penetrate into Europe. Initially, once in Spain, Italy and Greece, extremists travel around Europe in search of a better life, and all this is done under the patronizing views of the so-called owners of the region. In addition, the Mediterranean is gradually turning into a zone of deployment of the American anti-missile security system, the main purpose of which is to prevent the threat from either Iranian or Korean nuclear weapons.

It is quite obvious that if the situation continues to develop in this direction, then very soon the region will turn into a center of the spread of radicalism, sponsored by the same well-known state. In turn, this can become a serious threat to the security of Russia, which has repeatedly had to deal with manifestations of extremism and radicalism. Obviously, precisely such conclusions were made by the Russian military department after analyzing the situation. Therefore, S. Shoigu stated that in the near future it is necessary to restore the work of the marine grouping of Russian ships in the Mediterranean Sea. In addition, he said that the Mediterranean group is expected to consist of two-thirds of the ships of the North fleet and one third - from the vessels of the Black Sea Fleet. The headquarters of the group will be located in St. Petersburg, and the operational command will be carried out from the flagship.

After such an initiative, there were many critics who expressed their opinion on this issue. So, in particular, in the opinion of the ex-head of the General Staff of the Navy of Russia, Viktor Kravchenko, such a decision is no more than ambition, and his country in the coming years is simply not able to. According to him, before the formation of the Mediterranean grouping begins, it is necessary to determine the status and deployment of the Black Sea Fleet in the Crimea, and for this, it will again be necessary to conduct difficult negotiations with Ukraine. True, it is not entirely clear what the essence of these negotiations will be and what does Ukraine have to do with it? Indeed, on the one hand, there are agreements with Ukraine on the deployment of the Black Sea Fleet in the Crimea before 2042, and secondly, in Russia there is a Novorossiysk base that can be modernized in parallel with the development of the idea of ​​creating a Mediterranean squadron.

According to other critics, the country simply cannot afford to create a new squadron, because in recent years the fleet has not received a single new warship, and if it did, they were very few. Therefore, according to these critics, instead of creating a new grouping, it makes sense to think about sufficiently equipping the already existing bases, and modernizing their crews to the level of the ships of a potential enemy.

Of course, there is some truth in these words, but no one talks about leaving the fleet in a state of under-supply. Moreover, at a meeting of the military department with representatives of the United Shipbuilding Company, it was decided that in the next seven years several dozen surface ships, eight submarine missile cruisers and sixteen multi-purpose submarines would go into service with the navy. Such a replenishment will allow not only to equip the fleet with modern military equipment, but also to create an efficient Mediterranean grouping that will be able to defend Russian interests in a strategically important region for Russia.

In the context of the development of the idea of ​​creating a grouping, information also appeared that the information made public earlier that Russia intends to withdraw the military staff from the naval base in Syria and replace it with civilian personnel is not true. According to representatives of the Ministry of Defense of Russia, the base in Tartus remains the Russian naval base in the Mediterranean region.

At the same time, for quite a long time, rumors have been circulating that Moscow has already found an alternative to it. As it turned out, the Russian government is negotiating with its counterparts in Cyprus on expanding bilateral military cooperation. The result was a statement by the Cyprus Minister of War, Ioannis Kasoulides, who at the end of June of this year declared that the Russians could use the naval base located in Paphos. He also noted that the countries intend to discuss all the details in the near future, and cooperation agreements may be signed in the near future.

This is indirectly confirmed by the Russian side, whose military ships have increasingly begun to appear in the ports of Cyprus. So, in particular, 19 June in Limassol went three Russian warships for refueling. Earlier in the ports of Cyprus, the missile cruiser “Moscow” was seen, which is the flagship of the Black Sea Fleet.

For those who are closely monitoring the situation, Russia's choice did not come as a surprise at all. The Russian government has long considered Cyprus as a place of possible deployment of the Mediterranean base. These two states have rather close economic ties. Recall that a few years ago, Russia had already granted Cyprus a billion loan, and in the spring of 2013, when the state was on the verge of bankruptcy, the President of Cyprus once again went to Moscow to agree on the possibility of a new loan. Moreover, at the end of June, information appeared in the press that the Central Bank of Russia had already prepared an agreement under which Cyprus, before 2014, would receive five billion euros as a loan to stabilize the national banking system. According to experts, this proposal was made very on time. After all, even if the European Union can provide assistance to the country in the form of money, in return it will require the fulfillment of tough conditions, as was the case with Greece, Portugal and Ireland. Among such conditions are the introduction of a balanced state budget, which will necessarily lead to the introduction of cost-saving measures so unpopular among the population: a reduction in social benefits and budget expenditures, an increase in the retirement age, and a reduction in government employees. This, in turn, will lead to a deterioration of the domestic political situation and social tension in the country.

In addition, the Cyprus authorities will be forced to cut defense spending, which will make the country even more vulnerable and vulnerable to Turkey, which still supports the regime of the Turkish Republic of Cyprus.

Trying to analyze and understand why the Cyprus government is seeking help not from the EU, but appeals to Russia, and why the latter so willingly and promptly provides financial assistance to the country, the experts came to the conclusion that the Russians are pursuing several important military-political goals. In addition to obtaining a naval base in Cyprus, Russia will be able to maintain the main offshore zone, where most of the capital goes to Russia. Russian mining companies, in addition, will be able to receive a priority opportunity to produce gas in the Cyprus territorial waters. But the total value of deposits is too tempting - it is equal to 600 billion euros.

Therefore, cooperation with Russia has its benefits for Cyprus: the government will not have to introduce unpopular measures, reduce military spending, and in addition, the country will be able to return to the contract with the Russians to buy C-300 anti-aircraft missile systems, which were frozen back in 2010 year .

Materials used:
http://mixednews.ru/archives/38391
http://kiprinform.com/news/politics/673-2012-06-30-08-38-18
http://www.station.ru/community/blogs/slona/archive/2012/06/26/437271.aspx
http://kresta-ii.ucoz.ru/news/rossijskij_flot_vozvrashhaetsja_v_sredizemnomore/2013-03-14-5100
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  1. tronin.maxim
    tronin.maxim 23 July 2013 07: 08 New
    11
    Like it or not, we need a base. The benefits are too great and significant to miss the chance-gift opportunity to master a strategically important center!
    1. INTER
      INTER 23 July 2013 08: 30 New
      21
      Yes, a good position under the belly of Turkey and Israel, they will think well when they will build their plans at the expense of the Caucasus.
      1. Gomunkul
        Gomunkul 23 July 2013 09: 11 New
        16
        The main thing is that after the signing of an agreement with Cyprus on the deployment of the Navy base, the latter does not have a color revolution. hi
        1. Canep
          Canep 23 July 2013 10: 28 New
          21
          Yes, you just need to buy part of the territory of Cyprus for debts, so that it would be Russian territory, on which to create a base, and not only sea but also the air force. And the hostel for the military could be accommodated there.
          1. INTER
            INTER 23 July 2013 11: 20 New
            10
            Quote: Canep
            Yes, you just need to buy part of the territory of Cyprus for debts, so that it would be Russian territory, on which to create a base, and not only sea but also the air force. And the hostel for the military could be accommodated there.

            By the way, a very good idea, but to implement it, guarantee the rule of local authorities under the protectorate of Russia)
            1. Sandov
              Sandov 23 July 2013 12: 45 New
              +3
              In the north are Turks, and in Larnaca the Angles. There is such a cesspool. But the base there would be useful.
            2. angarchanin
              angarchanin 23 July 2013 16: 38 New
              +2
              And besides, to invite the local population to serve: the Cypriots' economic interest will be added to the historically good relations, and if you don’t sell, and place the S-300 with our specialists for an air defense base (read - and Cyprus), then both sides will receive many attractive prospects for further interaction. By the way, Cypriots can open up the ins and outs of Russian enterprises in offshore.
            3. angarchanin
              angarchanin 24 July 2013 01: 52 New
              0
              And besides, to invite the local population to serve: the Cypriots' economic interest will be added to the historically good relations, and if you don’t sell, and place the S-300 with our specialists for an air defense base (read - and Cyprus), then both sides will receive many attractive prospects for further interaction. By the way, Cypriots can open up the ins and outs of Russian enterprises in offshore.
          2. Professor
            Professor 23 July 2013 21: 22 New
            0
            Quote: Canep
            Yes, you just need to buy part of the territory of Cyprus for debts, so that it would be Russian territory, on which to create a base, and not only sea but also the air force. And the hostel for the military could be accommodated there.

            Late however. In Cyprus on its territory The British Air Force Base has long been located.
            1. Misantrop
              Misantrop 23 July 2013 21: 26 New
              +1
              Quote: Professor
              Late however. The British Air Force Base has long been located in Cyprus on its territory.
              Do you offer to buy from the British? laughing
        2. zvereok
          zvereok 23 July 2013 11: 38 New
          +2
          The main thing is that after the signing of an agreement with Cyprus on the deployment of the Navy base, the latter does not have a color revolution.


          Tell the Americans in Guantanomo about the revolution.
      2. Papakiko
        Papakiko 23 July 2013 13: 26 New
        +2
        Quote: INTER
        Yes, a good position under the belly of Turkey and Israel, they will think well when they will build their plans at the expense of the Caucasus.

        Good position, this is Heraklion island.
        Quote: Canep
        Yes, you just need to buy part of the territory of Cyprus for debts, so that it would be Russian territory, on which to create a base, and not only sea but also the air force. And the hostel for the military could be accommodated there.

        You look at the globe and make sure that they won’t give us a single meter, much less sell it. Only for rent and at fantastic prices.
        But the total cost of deposits is too tempting - it is equal to 600 billion euros.
        This is comparable to the withdrawn capital from Russia.
        Russian mining companies, in addition, will be able to get a priority opportunity for gas production in Cyprus territorial waters.
        Ah ha let them in with the carpet.
        And for whatever reason they need this hemorrhagic, if at the "homeland" for half the price the Workers work and use the "shovels" to dig up the raw materials!
        You can’t get any offshore out of there, but this is the most important minus.
      3. Pimply
        Pimply 23 July 2013 14: 19 New
        -7
        Tell me, what is the connection between the Caucasus and Israel ???
        1. ale-x
          ale-x 23 July 2013 14: 58 New
          12
          Probably both of these words in many people cause unpleasant feelings, somehow ..
          1. Pimply
            Pimply 23 July 2013 16: 19 New
            0
            I'll put a plus 8 here)
        2. Basil123
          Basil123 23 July 2013 18: 54 New
          +2
          and who helped the Georgians?
      4. APASUS
        APASUS 24 July 2013 12: 43 New
        0
        Quote: INTER
        Yes, a good position under the belly of Turkey and Israel, they will think well when they will build their plans at the expense of the Caucasus.

        Yes of course!
        Just because they gave us a base to build there ???
        Contrary to all norms and laws, Morales’s plane was landed and searched under US pressure !! And then a military base on the territory of an EU member.
        Ha ha ha! Too vulnerable place for NATO countries, so they won’t go into an open confrontation, just come up with some kind of legal incident and we ourselves will refuse!
    2. sub307
      sub307 23 July 2013 14: 18 New
      +1
      That's it.
    3. Semen Semyonitch
      Semen Semyonitch 23 July 2013 18: 42 New
      0
      ... The Mediterranean group is supposed to consist of two-thirds of the ships of the Northern Fleet and one-third of the ships of the Black Sea Fleet ...
      At the expense of the Black Sea Fleet, it’s clear that the theater is like one. But weaken the Northern Fleet by 2/3-complete nonsense ... Or are we only friends in that direction?
  2. Terrible ensign
    Terrible ensign 23 July 2013 07: 09 New
    +6
    Something similar has been asking for a long time, based on the information flow of the last two years.
    Still, Tartus is a PMTO, and not a full-fledged base, and if you deploy a squadron in the Mediterranean, then Cyprus is quite suitable for the role of naval base.
    As they say, wait and see ... I would like to see our flags in the Mediterranean on an ongoing basis.
    1. Captain Vrungel
      Captain Vrungel 23 July 2013 07: 28 New
      16
      In Paphos? Yes there is a marina for yachts. If it fits in the harbor, then only a traveling boat from the ship. There, the entire harbor is an area with a football field and is packed with yachts of very poor people. Here is Larnaca, a half-empty port and an airfield nearby, a chic place. (In secret. Cypriots are still businessmen. Apparently, they decided to build a new port at the expense of Russia from scratch.)
      1. Denis
        Denis 23 July 2013 07: 51 New
        +1
        Therefore, cooperation with Russia has its benefits for Cyprus
        Cyprus, he is in Africa Kirp, i.e. everywhere
        Quote: Captain Vrungel
        In secret. Cypriots are still businessmen
        And in order that things like the Crimea didn’t happen, the leadership should be smarter, that’s the leadership. The mattresses are tsuki, cunning (C) -Pavel Volya, they managed that Cuba still wouldn’t drop them from Guantonamo
  3. Alez
    Alez 23 July 2013 07: 27 New
    10
    To whom only we do not distribute money, to blacks and other nations, we simply forgive tens of billions of candy wrappers. Hold a loan at 25% for your enterprises and small businesses, if there is a guarantee, there is no deposit - even more expensive. Cyprus stopudovo at 1-2%. Where was this Cyprus, in the 90s, Russia Mother stood with outstretched hand? There is no need to follow the path of America, cost bases everywhere, inject money into someone else’s infrastructure. It is necessary to guard and develop its borders.
    1. a52333
      a52333 23 July 2013 10: 35 New
      +5
      Try to push your borders away from the borders.
    2. Fregate
      Fregate 23 July 2013 10: 53 New
      +6
      I agree with you Alez. But still, I think it’s necessary to guard our borders not only at our border, but also on the approaches to it.
    3. DEfindER
      DEfindER 23 July 2013 11: 12 New
      +3
      Quote: Alez
      There is no need to follow the path of America, cost bases everywhere, inject money into someone else’s infrastructure. It is necessary to guard and develop its borders.

      If you become isolated only in yourself, do not invest anywhere and do not build bases, then sooner or later they will come to you with completely unfriendly intentions, you must keep the enemy at a distance and control all approaches and strategically important areas of the world. And at the expense of money, I think this is the money that people would never have seen anyway, those that are in Western banks or in Western debt wrappers, I hope so. But on the account of unequal lending, I completely agree with you, as if specially such crazy interest that our economy could not raise its head above the baseboard ..
      1. Alez
        Alez 24 July 2013 10: 59 New
        +1
        The only bases that can and should be maintained are Cuba and Vietnam. The main bases should be located inland, away from the NATO bloc, taking into account the approach of the enemy air forces and cruise missiles. A base in Cyprus, in the event of a hypothetical military clash, will be burned out in 5 minutes. Cypriots will surrender us when they are offered another loan. Nothing personal, the business who gave more is friendly with that, remember Egypt. It is necessary to develop layered defense, naval, air, and land. Near the borders there should be jump territories for the main forces. The main forces of the Moscow region and defense industry enterprises should be away from the borders in the Urals, in Siberia.
  4. Ivan79
    Ivan79 23 July 2013 07: 29 New
    +4
    Yes, let it be in Cyprus! The main thing is where to start. And it’s time for some countries to understand
    that you need to be friends with Russia, and not with the geyroppa and mattresses.
  5. Leisure
    Leisure 23 July 2013 07: 30 New
    +5
    So they will give us Cyprus, keep your pocket wider! As they threw money, they will throw it with the base, because Cyprus is not its own boss.
    1. DEfindER
      DEfindER 23 July 2013 11: 15 New
      +3
      Quote: Lazer
      and they’ll throw it with the base, because Cyprus is not its own boss.

      It is clear that a country like Cyprus needs a patron, but who it will be is another question, we took the first steps in the right direction ..
  6. svskor80
    svskor80 23 July 2013 07: 39 New
    +1
    In the Mediterranean, it would be very nice to have a squadron and bases for it, both in Cyprus and in Syria. The prestige of the country is still determined by its armed forces and their presence in different parts of the globe.
    1. fzr1000
      fzr1000 23 July 2013 07: 45 New
      +4
      There is a British military base in Cyprus. How to be with her?
      1. JIaIIoTb
        JIaIIoTb 23 July 2013 08: 01 New
        +9
        Every morning we will write, through combat swimmers, non-normative vocabulary on board their warships, let them learn the Russian language)))).
      2. Captain Vrungel
        Captain Vrungel 23 July 2013 08: 17 New
        +1
        There are 2 British bases in Cyprus. Akrotiri, near Limassal and Dhekelia near Larnaca.
      3. Misantrop
        Misantrop 24 July 2013 10: 15 New
        0
        Quote: fzr1000
        There is a British military base in Cyprus. How to be with her?
        To drink. “Even ulcers and teetotalers drink at someone else’s expense” (c) laughing
    2. DEfindER
      DEfindER 23 July 2013 11: 19 New
      +1
      Quote: svskor80
      In the Mediterranean, it would be very nice to have a squadron and bases for it, both in Cyprus and in Syria.

      It’s bad that in Syria it’s still not a full-fledged byza, but a PMTO, there would be a normal base, maybe they would not have climbed there with their democracy ..
  7. Sars
    Sars 23 July 2013 08: 17 New
    +2
    Cypriots and Greeks have now come to know for whom they are being held in the EU. I think one Russian base in this region will not do.
  8. Volkhov
    Volkhov 23 July 2013 08: 34 New
    0
    Only small ships remained from the fleet in the Black Sea and the Mediterranean, they have weak air defense (no Fort) and autonomy, Syria itself can drown it with boats and planes, so the base and the airfield ... you can put on land and Iskander, since the fleet itself exhausted.
    War systems.
  9. Thunderbolt
    Thunderbolt 23 July 2013 08: 36 New
    +2
    In addition to obtaining a naval base in Cyprus, Russia will be able to maintain the main offshore zone, where most of the capital from Russia goes.
    That's the purpose of the loan. Yes, we agreed on the provision of services for BTA at the Paphos airport, there is no official information on the sea base. There are two British bases there --- we will be good neighbors wassat ? Ahaha!
  10. RMRS
    RMRS 23 July 2013 08: 51 New
    0
    It would be better if a normal base was built for the Black Sea Fleet in Russia, otherwise we are investing in clearly incomprehensible things. Someone is scared for Cyprus. Although I agree, Larnaca is a worthy option. Offshore support on the face (
  11. Alez
    Alez 23 July 2013 08: 51 New
    +2
    The keyword is OFFSHORRRRR. Those who dare to encroach on the money of the Russian oligarchs will receive Yakhont under the deck from the Russian sailors.
  12. Russ69
    Russ69 23 July 2013 09: 35 New
    +1
    If you make a base in Cyprus, then you need to do it at the highest level, with air defense equipment and ground forces. Do not forget that in Cyprus there are already two UK bases.
    They talked a lot about this planned base, but so far everything is somehow foggy. I would like to know more specifically, otherwise it may turn out to be only the possibility of landing our aircraft for refueling.
  13. Starover_Z
    Starover_Z 23 July 2013 09: 54 New
    0
    If you don’t just give money, but conclude legally weighted agreements so that everyone benefits.
    It would be good if everything in Syria normalizes and it remains friendly, then Cyprus will become an "unsinkable aircraft carrier."
  14. user
    user 23 July 2013 10: 12 New
    +1
    Such a base in Cyprus makes sense only in two cases:

    1. If it is a full-fledged naval base - including the aviation component + layered air defense
    2. Long-term lease agreement (at least 50 years), Excluding its denunciation.
    Otherwise, there is no sense in costs of this magnitude. It is easier to make a normal aviation base in Armenia and expand the logistics service point in Tartus. Once again I draw attention to the fact that without an aviation component such a base is meaningless
    1. aviamed90
      aviamed90 23 July 2013 15: 34 New
      0
      user

      It makes no sense at all.

      This topic has already been discussed 1,5 months ago.
    2. Shumka
      Shumka 23 July 2013 22: 24 New
      0
      Who knows how the situation in the Middle East will go further? Turkey, it may happen that the mess begins ... In general, who knows, maybe the Russian Federation will drive the Turks out of the island and remain the Guarantor there? Just assumed.
    3. Misantrop
      Misantrop 24 July 2013 10: 19 New
      -1
      Quote: user
      It’s easier to make a normal air base in Armenia
      ... which would require no more serious precautions. An example of a base in Sevastopol is not clear enough? wink
    4. Yarbay
      Yarbay 24 July 2013 10: 23 New
      +1
      Quote: user
      It’s easier to make a normal air base in Armenia

      How easier ??
      How to provide it with the necessary !?
      Look at the map, everything and even fuel for airplanes is transported there by air!
  15. misham
    misham 23 July 2013 10: 18 New
    +4
    Enormous money is needed to create a full-fledged naval base. Moorings, fuel, ammunition storage facilities, a normal airfield (capable of accepting everything that flies to the Air Force and the Navy of the Russian Federation), some kind of ship repair, a radar station, a residential town and much more. It is necessary to place a company-battalion of marines with all the affairs. You can list endlessly. The bureaucrats (the General Staff, from the Navy, FSB, SVR and others) will fly there to rest with their wives and children under the guise of combat readiness checks, reconnaissance and revisions
    CYPRUS - a resort of excess zemlyatsev there. Something will be given free of charge on account of the debt, and for everything else it will be necessary to pay at the price of a hundred parts in the Moscow Region. But this is lyrics

    The promises of the Cypriots about the Russian naval base "BLA-BLA-BLA". This is a means of pressure on the EU (NATO) - write off the headstock.
    1. Misantrop
      Misantrop 24 July 2013 10: 21 New
      0
      Quote: misham
      The bureaucrats (the General Staff, from the Navy, FSB, SVR and others) will fly there to rest with their wives and children under the guise of combat readiness checks, reconnaissance and revisions

      Then they will be BLOODly interested so that everything is in order there laughing
  16. Natalia
    Natalia 23 July 2013 10: 20 New
    +4
    Such a base for Russia in modern conditions (economic and political) is simply necessary. Syria is one of the reasons. Why do Americans need Syria: to stretch a gas pipe from Qatar to Europe, thereby undermining the economic component of Russia. Everything is also an economic weapon, achieved through a military presence, everything is as always. According to this, Syria must be supported and the creation of a base there is a great idea than it’s better to always go there to go to the exercises. I do not say how important this is in the strategic plan.
    1. saturn.mmm
      saturn.mmm 23 July 2013 16: 15 New
      -1
      Quote: Natalia
      Why do Americans need Syria: to stretch a gas pipe from Qatar to Europe, thereby undermining the economic component of Russia.

      And why the Americans through Israel will not go to the Mediterranean Sea with the Qatari pipe?
      1. Natalia
        Natalia 23 July 2013 17: 34 New
        +4
        Quote: saturn.mmm
        And why the Americans through Israel will not go to the Mediterranean Sea with the Qatari pipe?

        And because it is necessary to lay a pipe overland, then through Syria Turkey, etc. etc., it’s not only not reliable to transport gas by sea, but also too weak competition for Russia.
        1. saturn.mmm
          saturn.mmm 23 July 2013 22: 05 New
          +1
          Quote: Natalia
          And because it is necessary to lay a pipe overland, then through Syria Turkey, etc. and so on

          So you can put a pipe on Iraq, it’s even closer to Turkey, but the Americans know better.
  17. Yuri11076
    Yuri11076 23 July 2013 10: 35 New
    +1
    There is a good opportunity to get hold of the base, it’s a sin not to use it ...
  18. Sharingan
    Sharingan 23 July 2013 11: 28 New
    +2
    English women will not allow the Cypriots.
    1. omsbon
      omsbon 23 July 2013 12: 23 New
      +2
      Quote: Sharingan
      English women will not allow the Cypriots.

      In fact, who gives loans, Cyprus is dancing. The geybrits did not seem to give money so that they would smoke aside.
      1. Natalia
        Natalia 23 July 2013 14: 18 New
        +2
        Quote: omsbon
        In fact, who gives loans, Cyprus is dancing. The geybrits did not seem to give money so that they would smoke aside.

        lol well said)
  19. Grigorich 1962
    Grigorich 1962 23 July 2013 11: 30 New
    +3
    cool service will be in Cyprus .... a dream ... not like in the Federation Council
    1. Ajsberg
      Ajsberg 23 July 2013 12: 27 New
      +1
      Fact) People under the contract trample, have time to take the current)))
    2. Aleksey_K
      Aleksey_K 23 July 2013 21: 18 New
      0
      My relative served as a marine in the Far East and made a friendly visit to Ethiopia through Cambodia, the Indian Ocean. I had to fight in Asia. But the worst impression is being on board. Heat is everywhere; there is no salvation anywhere on the ship. After several days, the drinking water becomes odorless. The deck is limited in size; there are almost nowhere for physical training for several hundred infantrymen. Saved only a driven-in sense of unquestioning discipline. So, to serve the Russians in conditions of almost tropical heat is not a climate!
  20. phantom359
    phantom359 23 July 2013 12: 56 New
    +2
    Tartus must not be drained. They will surrender, they will find a way to prevent it from developing in Cyprus. And trample there other people under the contract))
  21. El13
    El13 23 July 2013 13: 14 New
    +2
    Sorry, Valery, but put the article a big fat minus, very weakly. Stupidly the first paragraph:
    Recently, it was reported that Russia had planned the formation of the Mediterranean squadron, which was a very high-quality system for deterring potential adversaries (read the USA). Such measures have led to the fact that this very enemy decided to take over not only the Mediterranean Sea, but also the entire world ocean, thus realizing its plans and achieving its goals.

    What is the relationship between the first and second sentence? Invented. The article has never mentioned the British bases, nor has it ever said about the proposal to place an aviation technical base, but it has been said about the loan as an almost accomplished fact, despite the fact that all the media wrote about the refusal of it and even the refusal to restructure existing debt ... well, and the little things like that.
  22. pinecone
    pinecone 23 July 2013 13: 25 New
    +3
    Recently, information appeared that Russia had planned the formation of the Mediterranean squadron, which was a very high-quality system of deterring potential opponents (read the USA).

    On the southern flank of NATO, there is someone to restrain without the United States.

    As for the option with a base in Cyprus, it seems unlikely, given its membership in the EU.
    And further. At the time when Cyprus was part of the British Empire, the main base of the Royal Navy was the port of Famagusta, which is currently occupied by the Turks, as part of the territory of the so-called "Turkish Republic of Northern Cyprus". Thus, taking into account the presence of two British bases located on this island, it is necessary to take into account Turkish. Three NATO bases on the territory 5 times smaller than the area of ​​the Moscow region, this is already a lot. The fourth will be closely with such neighbors.
    1. Gomunkul
      Gomunkul 23 July 2013 15: 54 New
      +2
      Three NATO bases on the territory 5 times smaller than the area of ​​the Moscow region, this is already a lot. The fourth will be closely with such neighbors.
      The first time, of course, it will be cramped, but then they will get used to it. hi
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  26. Suhov
    Suhov 23 July 2013 14: 10 New
    +5
    In the clear sea to fill the island ourselves!
    Like in Dubai!
    And the naval base can be placed
    and your own, natively native, a piece of Russian land in the Mediterranean, under the sun will appear
    where you can relax, sunbathe ...
    wassat
    1. Suhov
      Suhov 23 July 2013 14: 29 New
      +2
      Quote: Sukhov
      In the clear sea to fill the island ourselves!

      Clarification:
      In the clear sea in the center of the gas field...
    2. Shumka
      Shumka 23 July 2013 22: 28 New
      0
      It will wash away soon, Mother Nature will say her word. Imha.
  27. indiggo
    indiggo 23 July 2013 16: 51 New
    +2
    I still do not see the point of a full-fledged base in Cyprus, they wrote correctly that we would invest a lot of money there, and then they would throw us. better let the issues be resolved with Sevastopol. and there are still not enough ships, when at least 3 11356 will then be thoughtful.
  28. Semen Semyonitch
    Semen Semyonitch 23 July 2013 18: 32 New
    +1
    ... the Mediterranean is gradually turning into a zone of deployment of the American missile defense system, the main purpose of which is to prevent threats from either Iranian or Korean nuclear weapons ...
    Or maybe New Zealand?
  29. GEO
    GEO 23 July 2013 18: 46 New
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    Quote: DEfindER
    Quote: svskor80
    In the Mediterranean, it would be very nice to have a squadron and bases for it, both in Cyprus and in Syria.

    It’s bad that in Syria it’s still not a full-fledged byza, but a PMTO, there would be a normal base, maybe they would not have climbed there with their democracy ..

    And what prevents us from placing a full-fledged base there?
    1. aviamed90
      aviamed90 23 July 2013 19: 09 New
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      GEO

      There is a war, dear! You do not know?

      And if you jerk in there with your military base, they will immediately declare you an aggressor (our "partners" are Americans)! We can’t even put the S-300 under the contract normally, and you are the base!

      It was necessary to do it before all this massacre. And now time is lost.
  30. Lightindark
    Lightindark 23 July 2013 19: 13 New
    -4
    Again, Russia is drawn into military games .... but this is not the USSR ... and he could not stand it.
    1. aviamed90
      aviamed90 23 July 2013 19: 26 New
      +1
      GEO

      Do you see?

      "Partners" already confirm.
  31. GEO
    GEO 23 July 2013 19: 35 New
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    Quote: aviamed90
    GEO

    There is a war, dear! You do not know?

    And if you jerk in there with your military base, they will immediately declare you an aggressor (our "partners" are Americans)! We can’t even put the S-300 under the contract normally, and you are the base!

    It was necessary to do it before all this massacre. And now time is lost.

    Sobssno, I have put the form of the verb incorrect. I mean, what was in the way ... But, I think that we can score interests on Anglopindo. Which, most likely, will be done soon. Striped ...., well, are you up to date
  32. GEO
    GEO 23 July 2013 19: 37 New
    +1
    Quote: Lightindark
    Again, Russia is drawn into military games .... but this is not the USSR ... and he could not stand it.

    Well, now the United States can’t stand it ... Hehe ...
    1. Lightindark
      Lightindark 23 July 2013 20: 06 New
      -2
      laughing It is in the interests of the economic interests of Russia and the world that this does not happen. Unforgettable, the main income of Russia is the sale of oil. She is vitally interested in making everything good for her main customers ... yes
  33. GEO
    GEO 23 July 2013 20: 14 New
    +1
    Quote: Lightindark
    laughing It is in the interests of the economic interests of Russia and the world that this does not happen. Unforgettable, the main income of Russia is the sale of oil. She is vitally interested in making everything good for her main customers ... yes

    Do not teach us how to live and we won’t tell you where to go
    1. Lightindark
      Lightindark 23 July 2013 20: 23 New
      -1
      I didn’t even try. I state the facts that seem to be not clear to many here. And baby talk was about to be good when America falls apart, touches ... protest naivety.
  34. za VDV
    za VDV 23 July 2013 20: 19 New
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    Quote: Lightindark
    laughing It is in the interests of the economic interests of Russia and the world that this does not happen. Unforgettable, the main income of Russia is the sale of oil. She is vitally interested in making everything good for her main customers ... yes



    You probably forgot that almost the whole world runs with our AKs and ride our bikes
    1. Lightindark
      Lightindark 23 July 2013 20: 36 New
      -1
      I'm not saying that Russia is nothing ... this is not true. There are good things ... literature, culture, smart and good people. What else do you need?
      1. Aleksey_K
        Aleksey_K 23 July 2013 21: 34 New
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        Slavs have 6000 summer history! Now archaeologists are no longer afraid to talk about their historical finds. In Russia there is a thousand-year history of Christianity and this period is perfectly described. And even writing was given to the Slavs. What crap! And 5000 years of history and culture, where did it go? And that there was no written language? It was! Archaeological excavations of ancient cities confirm this. But the army that would protect against the destruction of history, culture and writing by Christians from Europe in Russia did not exist. So we became rootless, descended from monkeys. An army is needed and outposts in regions with strategic open spaces are also needed! You see our entire fleet is easily blocked in existing bases (the Black Sea, Baltic, Far East and the North will freeze soon, I think due to experiments with the Gulf Stream turning towards the USA).
      2. Denis
        Denis 24 July 2013 00: 01 New
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        Quote: Lightindark
        What else do you need?
        We need a strong army to break various teachers of shit democracy
        And strong spirit, but this hamburger eaters do not understand
  35. GEO
    GEO 23 July 2013 20: 30 New
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    Quote: za VDV
    Quote: Lightindark
    laughing It is in the interests of the economic interests of Russia and the world that this does not happen. Unforgettable, the main income of Russia is the sale of oil. She is vitally interested in making everything good for her main customers ... yes



    You probably forgot that almost the whole world runs with our AKs and ride our bikes

    And the whole of Le Bourget wrote boiling water from our Sushki. What is there with the Amer invisibility, no one will recall? Has a budget already been rolled up to a trillion?
  36. GEO
    GEO 23 July 2013 20: 33 New
    +1
    Quote: Lightindark
    I didn’t even try. I state the facts that seem to be not clear to many here. And baby talk was about to be good when America falls apart, touches ... protest naivety.

    Yes, you are already tired of everyone worse than the bitter radish. Is it really incomprehensible ??? What do you climb everywhere, teach everyone ???
    1. Lightindark
      Lightindark 23 July 2013 20: 41 New
      -1
      The Ukrainians can say the same about you, what are you telling me. And I know this firsthand ...
      1. aviamed90
        aviamed90 23 July 2013 21: 02 New
        +1
        Lightindark

        Ukrainians, of course - sons of bitches!
        But - these are our sons of bitches!
        1. Lightindark
          Lightindark 23 July 2013 21: 32 New
          -2
          Do not offend the people of another country stop .... And you will be impudent .... already quite arrogance ........ And you will be impudent .... well, it’s absolutely arrogance .... it’s already chauvinism ... American "imperialism" dwarf by -Comparison with this
          1. aviamed90
            aviamed90 23 July 2013 21: 50 New
            +2
            Lightindark

            Of course - ours!

            What is arrogance?

            That we have lived side by side for centuries?
            The fact that a bunch of wars together poured this land with the blood of our soldiers?
            That we are Slav brothers?

            Or maybe you already consider the Ukrainian people YOURS?
            Indiscreetly! ...

            But what, you - the patriot of your country, did not recognize the famous phrase of your president F. Roosevelt?

            Quote:
            "Somosa may be a son of a bitch, but this is our son of a bitch."

            Do you say chauvinism? What is our oppression of the Ukrainian people?
            1. Lightindark
              Lightindark 23 July 2013 22: 10 New
              -4
              Insolence in relation to Ukraine and Ukrainians ... Arrogant, neglect ...
              ..that is very characteristic ... you are all you r ... beneath us ... you can be with us or so ... uh ... That's all ... the main message
              Who am I and whose patriot is none of your business ...
              1. aviamed90
                aviamed90 23 July 2013 22: 13 New
                -1
                Lightindark

                You see how you show the bestial grin of world imperialism! Hooked to see!

                Very informative and instructive "message", as you say!

                Well, God bless you!
                Spread your democracy further. Just watch - do not stumble! Deliverymen!

                By the way, what is "ys"?
  37. GEO
    GEO 23 July 2013 21: 27 New
    +1
    Quote: Lightindark
    The Ukrainians can say the same about you, what are you telling me. And I know this firsthand ...

    Well, it depends on what Ukrainians ... East-South are Russian people, West-Bendera. Their place is under the Poles, as usual. Those they will remember their "art", it will not seem enough. So I don’t need to hang noodles about Ukrainians here.
    1. Lightindark
      Lightindark 23 July 2013 22: 19 New
      -3
      Who are you to judge whom to be under? And what do you know about the UPA and Bandera from independent sources, and not Soviet-Putin propaganda?
      1. aviamed90
        aviamed90 23 July 2013 22: 26 New
        +2
        Lightindark

        I know Soviet propaganda about the UPA. I don’t know Putin’s propaganda about the UPA. Did Putin say anything about this?
        Apparently I am not as carefully outlining as I would like what he said and when.

        And you probably have your own source of TRUTH on this issue? Yes, and independent?

        Well, enlighten! Maybe I will believe you, and not my grandfather - the NKVD major.
        1. Lightindark
          Lightindark 24 July 2013 00: 11 New
          -1
          Here is a link for you ...
      2. Denis
        Denis 23 July 2013 23: 48 New
        0
        Quote: Lightindark
        from independent sources, not Soviet-Putin propaganda
        Are these independent bzhezdinsko-novodvorsky?
        Then go ... where are they
  38. derik1970
    derik1970 23 July 2013 21: 41 New
    +1
    The author, with Cyprus it can turn out the same as with the banking system of this very country this spring ... Who in "Europe" didn’t we understand? Kick Russia and no one will reckon with it.
  39. GEO
    GEO 23 July 2013 21: 59 New
    +1
    Quote: Lightindark
    Do not offend the people of another country stop .... And you will be impudent .... already quite arrogance ........ And you will be impudent .... well, it’s absolutely arrogance .... it’s already chauvinism ... American "imperialism" dwarf by -Comparison with this

    Young man, in the "people of another country" half of the country are my relatives and it’s not for you to teach overseas how to act here ...
    1. aviamed90
      aviamed90 23 July 2013 22: 02 New
      +1
      GEO

      Exactly!

      And I have relatives there!

      And you, Lightindark, are you our democratic?
    2. Lightindark
      Lightindark 23 July 2013 22: 37 New
      -3
      I also have relatives in Russia and Ukraine ... And what does that change? Have you ever thought that the Russian government and its policy towards Ukraine and other owls. republics can be even more annoying than America annoys you
      1. aviamed90
        aviamed90 23 July 2013 22: 50 New
        +1
        Lightindark

        Do you see? It turns out we are almost fellow countrymen!

        What city are you from?

        And as for irritations - no, unfortunately, they did not think.
        Let the Russian authorities themselves deal with the Ukrainian authorities - which of them annoys anyone! That's why she is politics! The main thing is the relationship between peoples.

        By the way, America "annoys" not only Russia, but ALL the rest of the world, including allies (it’s not good to eavesdrop on them!)!
        Have you thought about this?
        1. Lightindark
          Lightindark 23 July 2013 23: 43 New
          -1
          I think that it will not be a surprise for you that everyone does this ... and Russia ... a lot of things .... only there are no leaks hi
  40. GEO
    GEO 23 July 2013 22: 02 New
    +1
    Quote: Lightindark
    Do not offend the people of another country stop .... And you will be impudent .... already quite arrogance ........ And you will be impudent .... well, it’s absolutely arrogance .... it’s already chauvinism ... American "imperialism" dwarf by -Comparison with this

    Something in you betrays Georgian roots ... Apparently, education ...
    1. aviamed90
      aviamed90 23 July 2013 22: 06 New
      0
      GEO

      Or maybe it's not an Americanos, but an ordinary troll?

      Something too zealously climbs into trouble! And here we put it around from all sides! We are wasting our time ...


      Are you not a troll, respected Lightindark? AND?
    2. Lightindark
      Lightindark 23 July 2013 22: 26 New
      -1
      Georgian roots ... laughing
      Nenad move on to personalities, speak the topic ....
      1. aviamed90
        aviamed90 23 July 2013 22: 35 New
        +1
        Lightindark

        Why are you shy? What are you ashamed of? Everyone can happen!

        Better tell us how Lightindark is translated into Russian!

        Hope anything indecent? And then this is not possible on the site!

        And on the topic? What about?
        There are already many "specialists" spoke out. My humble opinion is lost among their reasoning.
        Don’t worry you like that! Nobody is going to build a base in Cyprus! This is all talk and fantasy. We are all Russian. Do not understand us: will we build or not?
        1. Lightindark
          Lightindark 23 July 2013 23: 47 New
          -1
          let it build up some problems ... The meaning is in my primary post in another ...
      2. Denis
        Denis 23 July 2013 23: 50 New
        -1
        Quote: Lightindark
        Georgian roots ...
        There is a suspicion that the Mengrel
  41. GEO
    GEO 23 July 2013 22: 14 New
    +1
    Not recognized))))))))))))))
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  43. za VDV
    za VDV 24 July 2013 00: 11 New
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    The Russian fleet will be replenished with invisible ships. The Caspian and Baltic Seas have become a kind of testing ground for the so-called invisible ships made for the Russian fleet using the stealth technology.
    Now they are preparing to take into battle the small rocket ships Uglich and Grad Sviyazhsk built at the Zelenodolsk shipyard in Tatarstan. And in the Baltic, the latest Boyky corvette is successfully operating.
    According to the press service of the Southern Military District, now the command of the Caspian flotilla, together with representatives of the Gorky Zelenodolsk plant, determine the timing of sea and state tests of new invisible ships. The tests will take place in the Caspian, for this purpose a special zone will be created in the areas specially designated for this purpose, in which entry of any vessels will be prohibited. The area will be protected by up to two dozen Caspian ships. In general, the launch of the second serial “Boyky” corvette of project 20380, built for the Baltic, took place at the “Northern Shipyard” on April 15, 2011. The lead ship of this series is the Steregushchy corvette, handed over to the Navy in 2007. Well, the second corvette of this project, "Clever", became a part of the BF on October 14, 2011.
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  44. Dmitry Zurn
    Dmitry Zurn 26 July 2013 09: 56 New
    0
    The Greeks always gravitated toward Russia, in principle, the Russian state was formed not without the help of the Greeks. All this is wonderful and Russia now has money and a turning point, either Russia will begin to rise now, or it already will not. Only it seems to me that they will not allow Russia to be there. Cyprus is the strategic center of the eastern Mediterranean, where the interests of Turkey, the USA, and (NATO as a whole) intersect. Cyprus has NATO facilities. The rapprochement between Orthodox peoples and the strengthening of their influence is also not part of the interests of Western Europe. It seems to me very doubtful the positive development of the situation.
  45. vBR
    vBR 28 July 2013 02: 29 New
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    Nonsense. This is not an article, but the idea of ​​our authorities. An EU country with NATO member bases. You have to be an idiot to think "we will buy." The only option is Syria with Assad regime