Military Review

Long wires, or waste on footcloths

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In January 2013, the Minister of Defense of the Russian Federation, Army General Sergey Kuzhugetovich Shoigu, speaking at the first conference call held in the Situation Center of the Russian Armed Forces, in which all senior employees of the Ministry of Defense, Chief of the General Staff Valery Gerasimov, commanders of various types and branches of the Armed Forces took part , military districts and fleets, reported that the era of footcloths is over. “On the street is the 2013th year, and we are still talking about footcloths,” the minister complained. According to his statement, by the end of this year, the Russian army will completely abandon the use of footcloths, and each soldier will receive twenty-four pairs of socks, that is, two shifts per month. The cancellation of this garment came with the abandonment of soldier's boots and the transition to more modern shoes - army boots. Sergei Shoigu said that additional funds will be allocated for this re-equipment, and the replacement of footcloths will be the first measure in a series of reforms designed to provide soldiers with normal living and service conditions, as well as to make the army more attractive and fashionable. Thus, young people who come under the “first call of Shoigu” will have a very “interesting” service.




Footcloths have been part of the uniform of a Russian soldier for more than one hundred years. They have become an indispensable element of the soldiers' humor and folklore. For many, the transition to socks is a progress, a step forward, but in general, people who have served in the army for more than one year, consider it differently and nostalgically remember footcloths as an excellent protection for feet from cold and corns.


This element of clothing appeared more than thirty thousand years ago, much earlier than the invention of ordinary socks. Exploring the changes in the bones of the foot, anatomists and historians argue that the peoples of both Americas and Europe wore something similar to footcloths. During the construction of the Roman metro, ancient Roman footcloths were accidentally found, which were subsequently sold at one of the auctions for five hundred thousand dollars.

But the longest leg wrappers lasted on the "arms" of the armies of different countries of the world, as a practical, simple and cheap element of a soldier's uniform. In written documents of the suppliers of the revolutionary troops of George Washington left lists of some "pieces of canvas", issued to the soldiers to save the legs.

Especially widely this rectangular piece of cloth (about thirty-five to ninety centimeters) was used by our Slav ancestors who inhabited the northeastern European plains. Numerous stories that footclothes in Russia brought Peter I, borrowing them, in turn, from the Dutch, nothing more than a myth. The origin (etymology) of the word "footcloth" has two versions. One at a time - it comes from the old Russian word "port", denoting a rifle or piece of cloth. According to another, it comes from the word “tailor” - a rough canvas. From here and portaitse - cut piece of canvas. Anyway, both variants are words with the same root. For us, it is important to emphasize the prevalence and antiquity of the origin of this “undergarments for the legs” (this was the name given to footcloths up to the beginning of the twentieth century in various bureaucratic “reports”), which was widely used long before the appearance of the socks, as well as after their appearance.

In Russia, footcloths were preferred to be worn with boots and traditional Slavic footwear - bast shoes. Much later, already with the development of sheep, they began to wear with felt boots. In winter, they wore warm footcloths from bikes or half-woolen, and in the northern regions of Russia and in the army - pure wool. In the summer, the Slavs preferred cloth footcloths. Cotton also appeared much later with the birth in the seventeenth and eighteenth centuries of weaving manufactories that worked on imported material. Footcloths are not overlapped on the edges and not sewn from individual pieces of fabric, the lack of seams and scars protected the feet from rubbing and corns.

Especially long footcloths, along with the windings, served in European armies. In French, footcloths are called “chaussette russe”, which means “Russian stocking”. A gradual departure from the footcloths began in the world in the middle of the twentieth century. At this time in the army began to change the boots on the shoes. However, until the very end of World War II, the Wehrmacht’s soldiers, especially those fighting on the Eastern Front, wore footcloths with socks and most often used them for other purposes, like mittens or gloves. In contrast to the Russian footwomen, German, like Finnish, were square.


What explains such a popularity of a simple piece of fabric, which lived to the advent of high technology? There are several reasons for this. In the first place, it is, of course, the servitude of footcloths. In the field, they can be made from a piece or scrap of any fabric. It is much more difficult to tie a new sock, and if it is wiped, wait until the quartermaster will issue a new one. Secondly, footcloths are easy to wash, they dry even faster. In a hike, you can dry the whole footcloth by wrapping it around your leg, for example, on the hips. That is, two sets and legs are always dry. However, wet it completely - it is still necessary to try. If the footcloth is not all wet, it is enough to rewind the foot with a dry area, and the wet one dries perfectly on the calves. The third important advantage is closely connected with mass armies - the versatility of "size" as opposed to socks. Footcloth can be wound on his feet exactly as many times as necessary to keep tight boots. The wrapped cobbler wrapped in several layers blocks access to the garbage and sand, effectively absorbs moisture and retains heat. To achieve the same results from the socks, they need to wear a few pairs, and even that is not a fact of what happens.

The footcloth, unlike a sock, does not have a rubber band, it can be processed by boiling or ironing for the purpose of disinfection, which is impossible to overestimate in the conditions of mass armies. Footcloths serve for months and are much more durable than a sock, which in boots, especially tarpaulin, the main soldier's shoes of the Russian army, wear out in just a few days. If there is a hole in the footcloth, it can always be rewound from a different angle, if it is wiped off at the edge, cut off the edge. In addition, footcloths are washed in common laundries, they do not need to be paired. And even the most durable socks are several times thinner than footcloths, therefore, the number of minor injuries to the legs and skin diseases increases.

Curiously, even with the tsar in the Russian army, there were at least a dozen ways of putting on footcloths with their own specific names, for example, Life Guards, women’s, engineer, plastunsky, Cossacks, fishermen’s, merchants. In the Soviet Union, he was left alone, the soldier way, the rest were forgotten. Every one who went hiking or served in the army can mock footcloths in this manner. Sometimes, together with the main method, an accelerated parachute is used. To do this, put a boot and throw a footcloth along it. When putting on the boot, the clotle wraps around the leg. Cons - unreliable fixation on the leg, terrible calluses when walking long distances and forced marches.


The Russian Army


In the eighteenth and nineteenth centuries, stockings, socks and leggings appeared in the European armies along with the introduction of uniforms. New trends have not bypassed the Russian army, but in the soldier’s environment, unlike the officers, especially in the aristocratic guards regiments, they did not take root. Their Excellency, Prince Grigory Potemkin-Tavrichesky, wrote in 1783-year to Mother Catherine II the following: “Spacious boots in front of narrow and touches or footclothes in front of stockings have the advantage that, if the legs are sweaty or wet, at first convenient of time, they can be immediately thrown off, wiped off the legs with a foot-clothe and, wrapping them, again with a dry end, put on shoes in speed and protect those legs from chills and dampness. But in narrow stockings and boots one cannot inflict anything. It is inconvenient to throw them, it is impossible to put on freely again, and it is not always possible to dry or change stockings. Poor soldiers, with constantly wet feet, subject themselves to colds and other diseases. " As you can see, the Most High Prince was quite aware of the advantages of footcloths in the field conditions over European innovations. Again savings. Potemkin-Tavricheskiy always differed with particular diligence in relation to others. As they say, in sins, yes on his feet.

The correctness of the wise Prince Potemkin was confirmed by all subsequent wars, more precisely military roads and battlefields. With the onset of the autumn-spring thaw and winter cold in the ranks of the opponents of the Russian army from the Turkish janissaries and Napoleon's Grand Armee to the trained Nazi invaders, there were great losses from "de-multiplication" or, in other words, trench-foot syndrome. For example, American soldiers, shod in boots, lost their feet during the Second World War due to the “trench” disease. The Russians in boots and footcloths of this disease almost did not know. The famous American General Omar Nelson Bradley in his memoirs "History the soldier ”describes well how great a loss the United States military man caused this disease. For example, in the Ardennes, where some of the bloodiest battles were fought, the American army lost about nineteen thousand people killed. At the same time, twelve thousand fighters were out of action due to the disease of rheumatism of the legs, most of which, according to the conclusion of the doctors, became unsuitable for military service, and many remained disabled for the rest of their lives.

For the first time, the “trench foot” syndrome was described by physicians during the First World War 1914-1918s. The description of the disease says that "this type of foot lesion occurs with prolonged exposure (one day is enough) of cold and damp and is a type of frostbite." This reaction began in people after their stay in wet trenches or participation in long-distance crossings during the cold season (at temperatures around 0 ° C and lower) while wearing narrow shoes.


Senior Sergeant G.I.Valyk shows the young soldier Red Army soldier T.F. Stebakovu how to rewind footcloths before going. 1944 year


At present, it is hardly worth considering that the life of the footcloths has come to an end. Even from the army, they will not disappear completely and irrevocably. The fact is that the personnel of the Kremlin regiment, where the boots are still an integral part of the uniform, will wear footcloths. And what to do with eight million meters of special fabric, from which you can make sixteen million pieces of footcloths and which is NZ in long-term storage warehouses? And by the way, many soldiers and officers, participants of modern combat conflicts, still prefer footcloths. And if we recall the huge fraternity of hunters, fishermen, geologists, oil workers, builders - all those who, by hunting or by profession, have to walk a lot in fields, forests, swamps, so to speak, in rough terrain away from civilization, then we can safely predict many more years of life to the ancient keeper of our feet. Moreover, for rubber shoes nothing better than socks on socks has yet been invented.
In practice, the elimination of warts in the army means complicating and streamlining the logistics system. First of all, you will have to be very attentive to the clothing supply of servicemen. Footcloths are dimensionless, socks are of any size, and there are no compromises with shoes at all. It will be necessary to revise all existing models and methods for their fitting, to develop a whole range of measures aimed at an individual approach to each soldier. Further changes in hygiene will follow, as you need to change socks every day.

Large-scale wars are fought in conditions of chaos and the struggle for order in it. This, so to speak, is an indispensable attribute of survival and, ultimately, victory. The more invulnerable, more universal and easier the foundations of our order are, the more difficult it will be to destroy them. After all, hosiery-stocking factories and warehouses can be destroyed, the supply is hampered by an enemy who has broken through or weather conditions. In addition, a logical question arises - who will be already producing hundreds of thousands of tons of socks tomorrow for the Russian army? Surely the one who wins the tender. The company will most likely be Russian, but they will definitely be produced in China. And if you have to fight with the Chinese?

It is interesting that against the background of the struggle of socks with footcloths in the Russian army there are bottom shirts with ties, nineteenth-century pants, summer blue pants, a Sidor duffel and a belt belt with a brass buckle.


On the other hand, supporters of the abolition of footcloths, and for the most part also veterans of hostilities, respond that fighting in kersey and footcloths in modern conditions is at least yesterday. Just look at the range and quality of current shoes and socks for tourists and travelers, as soon as it becomes clear that the issue is not in footcloths, but as an army uniform, including footwear. And we need to argue here not because of the footcloths, but because of what the Russian army will be wearing, tomorrow.

Foreigners were introduced not only to the glamorous side of the Soviet reality. For example, they learned to wind footcloths.


Regarding the tailoring fabric left in warehouses, manufacturers claim that it can be implemented very quickly in the trade network. Summer flannelette fabric is used for the production of baby diapers, sliders, blankets, warm shirts and jackets, and cotton sheeting will be used to make bed linen for the same army. Winter woolen cloth is woven from ninety percent wool, the fabric density is four hundred grams per square meter, which is an ideal material for hemming of coats, jackets, suits and hats. Army "merchants" are confident that the tailory emergency reserve can easily replenish the military budget by several hundred million rubles.
It seems that there is no golden middle between footcloths and socks. Riding on armor and walking close to dry is more comfortable in boots and socks, but to climb mud, bushes, dew, and primer is better not to think of boots and footcloths.

After the end of World War II, footcloths began to be widely used in the armies of socialist countries, but by the end of the sixties, their use was greatly reduced. However, in some states they became firmly established in military life, for example, in Northern Finland they were abandoned only in the 1990 year. After the collapse of the Soviet Union, the Ukrainian army abandoned the sackcloth in 2004, and the Belarusian army followed it in 2011.


In the US Army, as in many other armies of the world, there are neither boots nor footcloths. But the Americans have very high-quality boots with high berets. They are made of genuine leather with numerous impregnations and membranes. Socks are also not cotton at all, but special ones using new technologies and similar in composition to thermal underwear. In general, the United States Department of Defense spends more than fifty million dollars a year only on developing new types of modern equipment for soldiers. In addition, multimillion grants are allocated for fantastic projects of the ammunition of the future, for example, nanomaterials for military uniform.

America can allow for its soldiers such elements of equipping the legs, and can Russia afford it? Controversial issue. And although Shoigu managed to get a lot of money out of the budget for the Ministry of Emergency Situations, it is not known whether he will be able to bring the reform started to the end as Minister of Defense. And while the refusal of footcloths does not look very reasonable.

Information sources:
http://www.openspace.ru/article/814
http://armyboots.ucoz.ru/forum/24-304-1
http://voenternet.livejournal.com/34234.html
http://kamtime.ru/node/2437
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  1. Captain Vrungel
    Captain Vrungel 23 July 2013 07: 45
    17
    In Ukraine (according to media reports), super socks "waterproof, non-dry" have been developed and are being introduced for border guards at a price of $ 30 per pair. So far there was enough money for two pairs. Not the border guard, but all the border troops.
    1. Anat1974
      Anat1974 23 July 2013 18: 31
      +2
      I did not understand what word is defining: "waterproof or dry". I would not like to walk in dry socks. Better then barefoot.
  2. Mosen6Ish
    Mosen6Ish 23 July 2013 07: 56
    13
    Army "merchants" are sure that a tailor's untouchable reserve will easily replenish the military budget by several hundred million rubles. Key phrase ...
  3. Alekseev
    Alekseev 23 July 2013 08: 16
    14
    "It seems that there is no golden mean between footcloths and socks. Riding on armor and walking close to dry is more comfortable in boots and socks, but climbing through mud, bushes, dew, dirt is better than boots and footcloths."
    Really, very similar! wink
    For a field of footcloths (and a conscript is a little soldier, for a year, he must get used to the field all his life), casual shoes are socks.
    What could be easier!
    No, again a "scientific" debate!
    Although you do not have to be a doctor of sciences to guess how much footcloth surpasses any sock in absorbency, that is, you can wear it longer without washing, you can rewind it with a dry surface to the leg. How much stronger (why break there !? laughing), and a hole appeared in the sock ... and that’s it, a callus is provided.
    And also socks after a long field trip can "stand" under the bed ...
    And will "sucking" them wash them every day?
    1. Hon
      Hon 23 July 2013 08: 24
      +5
      Here are army socks, such will not rub, dry quickly, and comfort is provided to the legs. Only expensive, in the store a couple more than 1000 rubles.
      1. Hleb
        Hleb 23 July 2013 08: 42
        -2
        there is a nuance between military service and contract service. Any officer, a contract soldier will choose socks and berets. The conscript will wear boots because he was given them, and as soon as the opportunity arises, he buys his berets. Yes and depends on conditions. Somewhere in the mud it’s more convenient in boots, somewhere at the exits more than one fighter will not exchange berets for boots. I personally wore socks and berets and I did not need boots for nothing
        if the socks are woolen in the photo, it’s fine, in appearance nothing.
        (the comrade above thinks that "sucking" will not wash the socks. you might think you can wear pants for months without washing. and instead of a leaky sock, as if you can't put on a new one))
        1. Lopatov
          Lopatov 23 July 2013 09: 04
          +2
          Quote: Gleb
          and it depends on the conditions. Somewhere in the mud it’s more convenient to wear boots

          Rubber. And then in the case of real databases they are replaced by berets, because I don’t really want to be left without shoes.
          The second exception is felt boots. Despite the worst quality in comparison with Soviet models.
          1. Hleb
            Hleb 23 July 2013 11: 36
            +1
            Yes, and rubber pair was with me. Sometimes I put around the town to sail, in secret, a hundred meters away in the rain
        2. Hon
          Hon 23 July 2013 09: 04
          +3
          Quote: Gleb
          somewhere in the mud more comfortable in boots


          Here are the boots of the Austrian army (now out of production) is an amazing thing !!!! If you have such shoes, then boots are unnecessary in any conditions. They surpass them in everything. The store has a new 7000 rubles. It is necessary to establish the production of such shoes, our soldiers should have the best uniforms. By the way, with footcloths they can also be worn.
          1. Lopatov
            Lopatov 23 July 2013 09: 12
            +3
            Their firm "Splav" is like copy-paste. True, with the worst workmanship. They stayed in the fields for about 4 months. And they demanded periodic impregnation with heated shoe cream.

            The lack of berets in the big mud - a lot of them catch on themselves. With rubber, it falls off faster.
            1. Hon
              Hon 23 July 2013 09: 19
              +2
              Quote: Spade
              Their firm "Splav" is like copy-paste.

              What does "Splav" (model "England") do in the trash! They are similar only in the pictures, in reality they have nothing in common, to compare them, everything is exactly like comparing a Mercedes and its Chinese copy.
              1. Timeout
                Timeout 23 July 2013 14: 02
                13
                Dear, do not bang your head against the wall! God forbid another world mess begins and we all run in kirzach and footcloths! No hosiery production can cope with the supply of a regular army during the war. Moreover, the production of all kinds of berets and other high-tech. Mass and simplicity will again be in fashion!
                1. Hon
                  Hon 23 July 2013 14: 18
                  0
                  Quote: Timeout
                  God forbid another world mess begins and we all run in kirzach and footcloths!

                  If the zamorushka will be truly global, we won’t even have time to wind the footcloths ...
                  1. Timeout
                    Timeout 23 July 2013 14: 26
                    +1
                    Worldwide, not nuclear! The Americans are a pretty cowardly nation to wage such a war. See how they flirt with the DPRK, although evidence of the availability of full nuclear weapons has not yet been received, for which they already have delivery vehicles. And against the Russian Federation or China, their gut is thin. So you have to stomp in boots and footcloths.
                    1. Timeout
                      Timeout 23 July 2013 15: 04
                      +2
                      Minus? Where are the inverse arguments? I understand that some who do not perceive the war as something abstract, but this is inevitable. Proven both historically, so simply by human nature ...
            2. Anat1974
              Anat1974 23 July 2013 18: 54
              0
              "It falls off faster from rubber boots" - I didn't understand what kind of rubber boots. I've seen everyone, but what kind of rubber boots?
              And in combat conditions, both the dumplings and the dead-to-the-night ones are killed in 2 months. I consider only boots in the winter (I even agree with the footcloth) and something relieved in the summer (such as high sneakers). Maybe walking on the parade ground is not very beautiful, but the main purpose of the army is to fight and not defile.
              1. Lopatov
                Lopatov 23 July 2013 19: 33
                +4
                What berets? Rubber boots.
                Kirzach fall apart, it is without question. Threads and shafts rot on the inside at the fractures are wiped. Cowhide is stronger, but their heels fly and rot the seam on the heel. Same month 2-3
          2. Alexxeg73
            Alexxeg73 23 July 2013 09: 13
            +8
            Each rivet on the boot is a hole, "blind tongue" - longitudinal seams, again leaks over time. The threads used to sew the boots rot over time from moisture and the seams begin to leak. I am also a fan of ankle boots and only wear them throughout the autumn-winter-spring period. I endured a lot of different ones. But for mud and muddy roads - nope ...
            1. Hon
              Hon 23 July 2013 09: 25
              +2
              Quote: Alexxeg73
              Each rivet on the boot is a hole, "blind tongue" - longitudinal seams, again leaks over time. The threads used to sew the boots rot over time from moisture and the seams begin to leak. I am also a fan of ankle boots and only wear them throughout the autumn-winter-spring period. I endured a lot of different ones. But for mud and muddy roads - nope ...

              Everything is sealed there, no holes, the threads are smeared with some kind of resin, the sole is fixed tightly and also some kind of resin is filled in. My stepfather took such second-hand (that is, what Austrian soldier had already put them in the field, the condition is excellent). He constantly wanders around the places of battles with the metal detector, through mud, swamps, puddles, etc. and his legs are always dry, nothing gets wet at all wherever he gets. These shoes were created for soldiers, and it takes into account all the features of the army service, everything is thought out to the smallest detail.
              1. RoTTor
                RoTTor 24 July 2013 00: 49
                +1
                The light industry, including the shoe industry, was destroyed like everyone else. Especially shoe factories specialized in army boots, flight booties. In Kiev, such a shoe factory No. 1 for a hundred years supplying the entire army with tarpaulin and barnyard boots had the misfortune to be located in the very center of the city, near the Lavra. They ate - they were transferred to the suburbs with actual destruction. Another Kiev shoe factory "Sport", which, in addition to excellent sneakers, boots, etc., including a licensed one. not burned "Adidas" and "Diadora" were shod in the early 90s by the classy ankle boots of the Czech and part of the Israeli army, destroyed to the ground. So now there is no one to sew good ankle boots.
            2. Jin
              Jin 23 July 2013 10: 04
              +2
              Quote: Alexxeg73
              Each riveting on the boot is a hole, "blind tongue" - longitudinal seams, again leaks over time. The threads with which the boots are sewn will eventually rot from moisture and the seams begin to leak


              It all depends on the quality, the more you might think that our tarpaulin does not get wet, the heels do not fall off! I have on an urgent basis on new boots, only from a warehouse, in general the bootleg has broken, when I began to take pictures !!! Can you imagine such garbage?
          3. Hleb
            Hleb 23 July 2013 17: 37
            +1
            By the way, yes. I only thought that they were German.
        3. IRBIS
          IRBIS 23 July 2013 10: 10
          +8
          Quote: Gleb
          any officer, contract soldier will choose socks and berets.

          Let me disagree with you. I always made a choice in favor of boots and footcloths. Especially in cold weather. And, I note, I was far from alone in my choice.
          1. Hleb
            Hleb 23 July 2013 11: 33
            0
            in which region were they wearing? for a long time?
      2. Pilat2009
        Pilat2009 23 July 2013 16: 44
        0
        Quote: Hon
        Here are army socks

        You will ruin the army for us 500000 people * 1000 = 500 million is only one pair
      3. Anat1974
        Anat1974 23 July 2013 18: 43
        +2
        And for the army they will cost 5-6. Something when voicing the cost of uniforms for the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation, it will cause great surprise. The same type of clothes on the retail market are much cheaper than in bulk for the army. Just yesterday I talked with the warriors, the quality of everything- and the boots and camouflage are complete.
        A logical chain about footcloths is this: 1. Solid and high-quality shoes (winter and summer), normal socks. Well, that's all, they forgot about footcloths. But there is a big BUT. Shoes and socks will not be. Therefore, footcloths lived, live and will live in our army (Regrettably). They are the legacy of a mass army.
    2. Vladimirets
      Vladimirets 23 July 2013 08: 24
      +6
      Quote: Alekseev
      casual shoes - socks.

      Socks as shoes is strong. wink
    3. Jin
      Jin 23 July 2013 10: 06
      0
      Quote: Alekseev
      but to climb through mud, bushes, dew, a primer - it is better not to think of boots and footcloths. "


      Yeah ... but in the mountains?
      1. Alexxeg73
        Alexxeg73 23 July 2013 10: 32
        +8
        From this we must conclude that shoes are needed different, carefully tailored and thought out, from high-quality and modern materials. And these will be very expensive shoes. And boots with footcloths can be found (and I am sure there will be) use. But as for the "24 couples a year" plans - sorry. Not a year! Per month!! Because I do not believe that all the requirements for shoes that I listed at the beginning will be met. The department is running out of money, and will buy 100% in China. And most likely the fact that in any store there are whole cells of 50 rubles a couple. And this is just to put on. If you take more or less strong ones, then this is with synthetics. And what is synthetics in army shoes - I think it's not worth talking about. It is easy to grab a fungus and diaper rash.
      2. Hleb
        Hleb 23 July 2013 13: 22
        +1
        I look here many to everyday life (flora) they wore boots with footcloths). So in a hill and boots for some it’s normal) not to mention convenience and safety
  4. Hon
    Hon 23 July 2013 08: 17
    11
    First you need to buy normal berets and then refuse footcloths and boots !!! Many employees are sure that boots + footcloths are better than berets that are now issued.
    1. Lopatov
      Lopatov 23 July 2013 09: 05
      +4
      This is yes. Domestic "crocodiles" plus domestic cheap socks = hole + abrasions
      1. Tektor
        Tektor 24 July 2013 11: 19
        0
        In the late 80s, I bought socks in a regular store that were not demolished. They were entirely made of nylon or nylon, but the material was somehow twisted, which turned out to be rather thick and porous, which allowed the leg to "breathe". Used both in winter and summer. These socks are still in the drawer ...
  5. Alez
    Alez 23 July 2013 08: 20
    0
    Quote: Captain Vrungel
    In Ukraine (according to media reports), super socks "waterproof, non-dry" have been developed and are being introduced for border guards at a price of $ 30 per pair. So far there was enough money for two pairs. Not the border guard, but all the border troops.

    You say, too, for all the border troops. Enough for all the Armed Forces of Ukraine.
  6. PPL
    PPL 23 July 2013 08: 20
    13
    Mostly people far from the army or not trained to use it stand up for the abolition of footcloths.
    The footcloth of more than one Serdyukov or Kuzhugetovich will survive! So to speak - time-tested quality.
    The footcloth in the troops will be in demand until the wars move from harsh realities into cabinet space.
    1. Hon
      Hon 23 July 2013 08: 30
      +5
      A footcloth is relevant if you can wear tarpaulin boots, you can do without it in good, high-quality boots, the militants wear berets on their bare feet, and in fact they are partisan in the rather harsh conditions of the mountains. Although you don’t need to completely abandon the footcloths, leave them in warehouses, and teach the soldier to wind them, in case of shortage of uniforms in wartime.
      1. PPL
        PPL 23 July 2013 09: 17
        +4
        The footcloth is relevant when there are no normal living conditions. Quality shoes, quality socks, etc. - these are just dreams.
        When there will be high-quality boots, then it will be possible to dream of nervous and non-twisting socks.
        There was a children's film "Vasek Trubachev and his team", where one of the heroes utters a brilliant phrase: "Until you kill a duck, you will eat a crow!"
        Even when the shape of the fighter will be selected by size, and not from what is or remains, the need to use footcloths will be relevant until the boots and boot-like berets are canceled.
        1. Hon
          Hon 23 July 2013 09: 36
          +3
          Quote: PPZ
          The footcloth is relevant when there are no normal living conditions. Quality shoes, quality socks, etc. - these are just dreams.

          What can we talk about then? We create modern tanks and planes and we cannot provide a soldier with normal shoes. In the pre-revolutionary army, the boots were leather, and in the modern, tarpaulin.
          1. PPL
            PPL 23 July 2013 10: 15
            10
            And before, not everything was so perfect.

            It is interesting that, at least until the end of the XNUMXth century, soldier's boots all over the world were tacked on a straight block: the left boot did not differ from the right one. This was due to cost reduction considerations. Paradoxically, the soldiers here found a positive side. Considering that these boots were made only of genuine leather, they were skillfully fitted on the foot. It was done like this: the boots were thoroughly soaked in water, pulled them wet on their feet, after a couple of days the wet skin lay perfectly on the person’s foot, without any further inconvenience when worn. True, what the soldier cost these two days, one can only guess.

            However, skin is an expensive thing. Thanks to new technologies, the boots began to be sewn from tarpaulin, a dense multilayer cotton fabric treated with film-forming substances. In 1937, boots with tarpaulin tops, well-established as a substitute for leather, were assigned not only to military servicemen, but also to cadets, and even extra-military personnel.
            ... there was and was not only bad or only good shoes. In hot weather or in dry climates, it is difficult to find anything better than boots with windings or fabric leg warmers. In slush, the soldier’s best friend is a boot, and in the cold - the famous Russian boots. The point is not in things, but in the well-established work of the quartermasters, who are able to correctly deliver the right shoes to the right areas at the right time, when they are most needed there. It is not without reason that it says that, studying military history, an amateur pays attention to tactics, and a professional focuses on the activities of supply services.

            Source: "Military History Journal" http://history.milportal.ru/2011/06/armejskaya-obuv/
            There, by the way, about footcloths, and about windings it is interestingly written.
            1. Hon
              Hon 23 July 2013 10: 28
              +3
              Quote: PPZ
              And before, not everything was so perfect.

              If it were perfect, the revolution would not have happened.

              Kirza was accepted from poverty, there was simply no money for leather boots.
              1. Grenader
                Grenader 23 July 2013 13: 33
                +2
                In defense of tarpaulin - tarpaulin boots are lighter, when wet, the skin is saturated with water and dries longer, again increasing the weight of the shoe (tested in border troops)
              2. uwzek
                uwzek 23 July 2013 19: 52
                +4
                The tarpaulin boots were adopted even under the emperor emperors as army shoes in peacetime, when the soldiers did not have the compelled need to be in the field for a long time. Kirza long field conditions can not stand and quickly wiped. In wartime, it was envisaged to change the army into all-leather shoes. Both world wars did not provide such an opportunity due to their own scale.
                In peacetime, a canvas boot is much more comfortable than a leather one. It is somewhat lighter, its shaft does not compress the lower leg in wet weather. The problem is in size. Personally, I was lucky - I have a standard 43rd leg. I could also wear boots without footcloths, flew into boots with the same parachute and ran march-throws, I never wiped my legs for the entire emergency. The colleagues had problems, especially in the summer with thin footcloths. The army will cry with socks (24 pairs per year, given that half of them are winter, in winter you need to wear two socks at once). Shoigu himself should be offered a year with twelve pairs of socks to live. And, it is clear that the eternal instability: grandparents will wash socks. It is clear that it is necessary once again to humiliate a person who has decided to defend the Motherland, who regretted his footcloth (especially high-quality cloth!) ...
                1. Pimply
                  Pimply 23 July 2013 21: 34
                  +1
                  You did not wear the right socks.
          2. wax
            wax 23 July 2013 21: 47
            0
            Livestock in the pen, so that high-quality leather shoes wait a long time. Footcloths for a long time to live for economic reasons, too.
          3. wax
            wax 23 July 2013 21: 47
            +1
            Livestock in the pen, so that high-quality leather shoes wait a long time. Footcloths for a long time to live for economic reasons, too.
    2. rumatam
      rumatam 23 July 2013 11: 56
      +2
      and look at Kuzhugetich’s biography, he’s a builder, but not a warrior.
  7. shurup
    shurup 23 July 2013 08: 33
    +9
    By 2023, each fighter will receive a 3D printer for the production of socks, cartridges and fast food directly on the battlefield.
    The abolition of logistics services will replenish the budget by several trillions of money.
    The printers will be delivered by Mr. Pupkin, who won the tender, but they will be produced somewhere, we will not point out where.
  8. svskor80
    svskor80 23 July 2013 08: 33
    +3
    When I was in the army, it was possible to switch to berets only if you bought high-quality ones yourself, this is usually a demobilization. And those that gave out were not very, the boots were drier and warmer. It is necessary to abandon the boots - but with the mind, it’s better not to look at the Americans with their many millions, there is always a more functional and cheaper analogue (like history than writing in space, with many millions of nano-ink or ordinary stylus).
    1. Jin
      Jin 23 July 2013 10: 12
      +1
      Quote: svskor80
      the boots were drier and warmer


      I do not know, maybe I was unlucky, but all my boots were full of Mr.! Then, a year later, he brought from the house from the "uval" leather, barnyard or something called, in these it was much better, but in ankle boots it is still more comfortable, personally my imkha.
    2. Nayhas
      Nayhas 23 July 2013 12: 00
      +1
      Quote: svskor80
      like history than writing in space, with many millions of nano-ink or with a regular stylus

      not the topic of course, but the Americans in space have always used markers, and the story with nanochromatic ink is either invented, or where Zadornov eavesdropped on a bike, do not respect yourself to believe this shiver ...
  9. govoruha-otrok
    govoruha-otrok 23 July 2013 08: 38
    +1
    and with a footcloth you can kill the enemy!
    1. lewerlin53rus
      lewerlin53rus 23 July 2013 09: 05
      +7
      Quote: govoruha-otrok
      and with a footcloth you can kill the enemy!

      Well, yes, the truth is, according to the degree of aromatic effect, footcloth and sock are related approximately like chloropicrin and phosgene. If, after a day, socks from the smell of socks, the flies fall from the ceiling and do nothing until the socks are washed, but with footcloths it is much easier, it is enough to ventilate and the kumar will not be like that. Although I’ll probably never forget the smell in the dryer in the barracks in the morning wassat
      1. Prohor
        Prohor 23 July 2013 14: 31
        0
        A little confused, dear: suffocating phosgene has a faint smell of fresh hay, and the smell of tear chloropicrin is simply unbearable. hi
  10. Prapor Afonya
    Prapor Afonya 23 July 2013 08: 48
    0
    Of course, I understand all the positive arguments regarding footcloths, but still I don’t see a gram of charms in them, after training, when I got into the troops, I got boots and went on in socks for the remaining year and a half (like the rest of the extra-long service) and to be honest I do not feel nostalgia for footcloths.
    1. Jin
      Jin 23 July 2013 10: 27
      +2
      Quote: Prapor Afonya
      and honestly pleasant nostalgia for footcloths I do not feel.


      I completely agree. The arguments about footcloths are sound and it makes no sense to argue with them ... but. I will never forget the march-throws and "three-story" praises of footcloths and boots ... running in them is very "convenient", no matter how you twist the footcloth, one fig will weaken, but it makes no sense to talk about boots, running in boots is still fun, and when there is mud and puddles, it’s generally ... zde! laughing And in the mountains in them, that he was a suicide, there in shitty something sucks, help out sneakers or special shoes ...

      Boots and footcloths are good in a trench warfare, in a protracted defense, etc. Modern wars are a different tactic. And in winter, gentlemen, you need to wear felt boots, not boots ... No footcloth can save boots. You can’t even divorce your fingers because you don’t tell me about footcloths and boots, well, it’s on the fig! Everything is from the POVERTY of our army, and not from the fact that berets and socks are bad and no good ...
      1. Generalissimus
        Generalissimus 23 July 2013 13: 31
        +5
        All the same, everyone has their own preferences.
        As having served 2 of the year in border troops and went to patrols on 12, or even 14 hours a day, on mud and stones, in any weather - definitely for boots and footcloths.
        The boots, however, we all had a cow. They say that the army had a kirsa - I don’t know, I didn’t wear it.
        The way in the photo in the article the fighters wind their footcloths - it is natural that with this "technology" they will get lost and rub. A properly wound footcloth fits as well as a sock. At the same time, if necessary, you can always rewind "bottom" to "top" and again in dryness and comfort.
        Boots, too, must be able to wear and prepare for wear. If you tinker a couple of days after receiving it, the spring boot sits like a molten one and does not hang out on the calves, does not pick up water, even if you knee-deep where you accidentally fall.
        Everything had its own tricks.
        And depending on the climate zone, the boots were also different, both standard and with bells, for Central Asia.

        I used woolen socks in the winter, well, frosts were under minus 40. There are socks and winter footcloths, and a boot in boots of the 48 size — one damn thing froze through everything.
        1. Hleb
          Hleb 23 July 2013 13: 35
          +1
          you served then in Soviet times, yes? why today you don’t see border guards in boots?


          1. Generalissimus
            Generalissimus 23 July 2013 13: 44
            +5
            Yes, in Soviet times.
            Why they refused - I don’t know. Stupidity, as usual.
            Tribute to fashion.
            Take the same camouflage - full G.
            Under the Union, there was one more camouflage between ordinary riding breeches and "Warsaw" - this one was very comfortable, especially jackets. True, there was also camouflage, where the pants were idiotic - instead of pockets there were such "ears" for two AK magazines. =))
            Experimenting. As a result, they did it for some reason on the basis of "warsaw".
            I can’t appreciate contemporary Yudashkinsky - he didn’t.

            ps: by the way, in the first photo, the radio operator (third from left) in boots.
  11. Thunderbolt
    Thunderbolt 23 July 2013 08: 51
    +1
    The footcloths are a necessary thing in the army and I am calm about innovation (the strategic reserve will be more intact bully )
  12. Leisure
    Leisure 23 July 2013 09: 00
    -2
    Favorite (full-time) article on the site. There is little to discuss, back to the footcloths.
  13. Alexxeg73
    Alexxeg73 23 July 2013 09: 09
    +6
    Woe to the Russian army from the generals who did not serve in the army ...
  14. p-159
    p-159 23 July 2013 09: 20
    0
    2000-2005 they drowned wood in the squadron on bp, they brought water and therefore didn’t spend anything, the main type of movement was on foot, they lived in buildings, they mostly drove, my opinion for each task and troops should be your uniform. And the tender we won will be produced in Tatarstan.
  15. Old warrant officer
    Old warrant officer 23 July 2013 09: 23
    +8
    In our unit, everyone tried to quickly get rid of boots of a new cut, the so-called. "Yudashkin". Not comfortable to wear, appearance, uncomfortable outsole, rubber! Insole. Almost everyone in the summer wear "lightweight boots", where the boot itself is almost entirely made of fabric, and in winter we prefer Belarusian boots made of natural fur and leather. By the way, good ankle boots are sewn in Novosibirsk and Altai. Socks are good for everyday service at the point of permanent deployment, and on field trips or exercises it is easier to wear footcloths. I myself spent 2 years on time in footcloths and I do not remember that I would have calluses on my feet, although throws marches were extremely frequent with us, every Sunday there was a sports holiday with an indispensable march for 3, 5 or 10 km in depending on the festive mood of the officers in charge!
    1. Timeout
      Timeout 23 July 2013 15: 34
      0
      +100500 Similarly a colleague! Only a little earlier, when the berets were the property of thieves. Many then laughed when in the field you wind more than a dozen kilometers., And the originals in Pakistani boors then treated the worn out legs for Panj! Such tricks just didn’t pass beyond the river; good socks are a shortage!
  16. kartalovkolya
    kartalovkolya 23 July 2013 09: 27
    +8
    You can wail a lot and stupidly about footcloths! The point is to buy high-quality socks, not disposable. From the experience of the Ukrainian army, it is known that the suppliers bought something that the soldiers howled in their voices: either solid synthetics, or cotton disposable "muslin ". In short, death to the feet! I remember how I wore footcloths for 3 years and remember them fondly: they saved our legs. Yes, we also wore socks on leave to the girls (although the commanders drove for this brutally), but over the years, only gratitude remained .Therefore, as the saying goes: "Measure seven times, cut once." And we all cut and cut, and think.
  17. Djozz
    Djozz 23 July 2013 09: 47
    +5
    While serving in the army, I happened to use footcloths and
    socks. So, passing the first six months near Baku, at the school of sergeants, we were given boots and 2 pairs of cotton socks, after 2 weeks from the heat, every day march of throws in our company 80% picked up scabies (a terrible thing), upon arrival the troops were given spoges with footcloths and for a year and a half of service there were no problems. By the way, my son served in 2011-2012 in the "Presidential Regiment", so they were given footcloths to the ankle boots, because the socks could not stand the daily march of throws, except on weekends.
    1. Lopatov
      Lopatov 23 July 2013 09: 58
      -1
      And what does scabies have to do with shoes, heat and march-throws?
      1. Jin
        Jin 23 July 2013 10: 57
        0
        Quote: Spade
        And what does scabies have to do with shoes, heat and march-throws?


        A colleague is apparently a little unaware that scabies is an infection, of a slightly different nature.
        1. Djozz
          Djozz 23 July 2013 11: 19
          +4
          I’m very aware when there is so much sweat and dirt from endless training in the heat in socks, and there is nowhere to wash socks and nothing, socks become greasy and there is any infection there and in boots. You should have seen how, after the end of a hang-up, almost the entire company from unbearable scabies combed its legs to blood. By the way, at the test site in Aesheluk, the climate was similar for a 2 month stay in August-September, in boots with footcloths, this was not.
          1. Jin
            Jin 23 July 2013 11: 23
            -2
            Quote: Djozz
            and nowhere to wash socks and nothing


            And what does the socks have to do with it, if you need to give your backers for this under the tribunal ??? And you did not wash footcloths or they did not get dirty?
            1. Djozz
              Djozz 23 July 2013 11: 32
              +4
              He took off his footcloth, dried it, ventilated it and it was ready, with socks much worse. The footcloths were washed in the laundry or by yourself with soap, and you wash the socks yourself. It was like this, the school of sergeants "Atashka" near Baku. And then, a good soldier has a couple of footcloths in stock, he wrapped new ones, old ones to dry in the breeze.
              1. Jin
                Jin 23 July 2013 11: 42
                -1
                Quote: Djozz
                The footcloths were washed in the laundry room or with soap itself, and you washed the socks yourself


                Well you give, erased all the same. So what's the point of talking? You know, in terms of washing ... socks should be washed much faster than footcloths, water, time and soap, and in terms of drying ... they say that footcloth dries faster. Well, maybe he didn’t detect it, but certainly not by much.

                Quote: Djozz
                a good soldier has a pair of footcloths in stock


                What prevents a good soldier from having a pair of socks in stock? To summarize, ideally you need to have footcloths and socks. It is not heavy and does not take up much space.
                1. Captain Vrungel
                  Captain Vrungel 23 July 2013 11: 55
                  +7
                  The footcloth has 4 corners, which means 4 pairs of socks.
                  1. Jin
                    Jin 23 July 2013 12: 00
                    +1
                    Quote: Captain Vrungel
                    The footcloth has 4 corners, which means 4 pairs of socks.


                    I don’t argue with that, I’m talking about a little more. Footcloths have their obvious advantages, as well as disadvantages. Ideally, you need to have both of these, but the shoes should be berets, good and high-quality, and not that ram, in which they’re wearing an army, my opinion.
                    1. mark7
                      mark7 23 July 2013 16: 06
                      0
                      the fact of the matter is, give us universal shoes so that it’s hot in the winter and cool in the summer, here the comrade wrote above boots and footcloths are good for trench warfare, during a mass mobilization, etc. and it’s poor in the mountains in boots but it’s possible, but in berets how to fight in a liquid field shoelaces all rot
                      1. Jin
                        Jin 23 July 2013 19: 21
                        -1
                        Quote: mark7
                        the fact of the matter is, give us universal shoes so that it’s hot in the winter and cool in the summer, here the comrade wrote above boots and footcloths are good for trench warfare, during a mass mobilization, etc. and it’s poor in the mountains in boots but it’s possible, but in berets how to fight in a liquid field shoelaces all rot


                        I hike and wrote. And here again, the laces will rot ... Do you remember Stalingrad? There will be no such wars! Other wars now, is it really so hard to catch up? They grabbed onto the boots, into the dirt of the trenches ... There is no trench warfare, as such, and they are now fighting differently. Digging in does not mean digging a trench and sitting in it for half a year ...
                        No, we have such things and lice, etc., but this is from the * shit and shit * work of the rear and commanders ... do not confuse
          2. Hleb
            Hleb 23 July 2013 11: 41
            +5
            Well, this is familiar. The feet itch, the skin breaks between the fingers. This is a fungus and not scabies. Wash your feet more often. Mycoseptin and Teymurov's ointment are always in the backpack
            1. Jin
              Jin 23 July 2013 11: 53
              +3
              Quote: Gleb
              Well, this is familiar. The feet itch, the skin breaks between the fingers. This is a fungus and not scabies. Wash your feet more often. Mycoseptin and Teymurov's ointment are always in the backpack


              This is not scabies, you're right. This is fungus and prickly heat, it was ... Scabies is a red rash, with small pimples, itches insanely, with prolonged non-treatment, turns into pyadermia, skin disease, such nasty purulent vesicles that burst and turn into ulcers.
              1. Djozz
                Djozz 23 July 2013 12: 06
                +2
                We are not doctors, then we were all the same, a fungus or scabies, itching very much.
                1. Jin
                  Jin 23 July 2013 12: 16
                  0
                  Quote: Djozz
                  then we were all the same, fungus or scabies, very itchy.


                  By the way, I wrote, not the point. the bottom line is that this is a matter of hygiene, but that it wasn’t provided by a jamb of fathers-commanders and our squalid army system. he himself served and suffered with similar sores for the same reasons. Lack of normal security, it is a matter of lack of money that steal. Therefore, it is easier to shoe a soldier in rags and miserable boots ...
              2. Lopatov
                Lopatov 23 July 2013 14: 28
                0
                Scabies is worse, it is parasites under the skin. Mite scabies.
            2. Lopatov
              Lopatov 23 July 2013 14: 26
              +2
              Not only wash, but also spill with cold water. And walk barefoot through the dew when the situation allows
              And do not use, damn it, alien barracks slippers. A simpler way to pick up the fungus does not exist.
              1. Jin
                Jin 23 July 2013 14: 34
                0
                It’s not always ticks, it can get infected when it comes into contact with other people's clothes, I just experienced this crap on my skin
              2. uwzek
                uwzek 23 July 2013 20: 09
                0
                I agree. Himself in the army picked up a fungus a week before the demobilization. Someone seen in my slippers walked ...
      2. Timeout
        Timeout 23 July 2013 14: 52
        +2
        Quote: Spade
        And what does scabies have to do with shoes, heat and march-throws?


        I respect your opinion, most likely the comrade did not put it correctly, most likely a commonplace fungus. And your socks didn’t leave your feet like sheets of rotten cabbage? So I can say how I experienced the charm of both kirzachs, berets and sneakers. Each shoe is comfortable in its place. Across the river, we wore sneakers only because there was less chance of turning our legs in the mountains (kirzachi don’t fix the ankle, by the way crosses are also, but walking is easier) instead of kirzachi we often used jump boots, except for their weight and lack of ventilation. And in the lowlands, the kirzachi passed as if they were hello, they didn’t press as heavy and the command didn’t dig in, unlike sneakers. Current berets, this is an alloy of technology and will not be produced during major conflicts, again long live the Kirzachs and footcloths!
        1. Jin
          Jin 23 July 2013 15: 05
          +1
          Quote: Timeout
          Current berets, this is an alloy of technology and will not be produced during major conflicts, again long live the Kirzachs and footcloths!


          Take the strength of the Guindosskis Armed Forces, all in "high-tech" uniforms and shoes that are constantly being improved ... the question of money and taking care of your army, your soldiers ...
          1. Timeout
            Timeout 23 July 2013 15: 18
            +1
            Do you need statistics in the studio? US Army works from wheels! They do not have long-term storage depots; all uniforms and equipment enter the troops on demand. No need to go far, Libya, they didn’t even have enough ammunition! Generally proven fact. So the Russian Federation with its warehouses NZ is just a cave of Aladdin. You don’t have to go far, everyone remembers the mass shootings of people in the USA by psychopaths? So after that, from the ormages, as well as during state orders, problems arose with the production and purchase of ammunition of all common calibers. Just simply could not cope with the production of cartridges to provide consumers!
            1. Jin
              Jin 23 July 2013 15: 39
              0
              Quote: Timeout
              Do you need statistics in the studio? US Army works from wheels! They do not have long-term storage depots; all uniforms and equipment enter the troops on demand.


              And they’re doing it right! And we have stamped tarp for 100 years ahead and it rots in warehouses!

              Quote: Timeout
              No need to go far, Libya, they didn’t even have enough ammunition!


              Yeah, and our ammunition is being destroyed every now and then, but the Kalashnikovs want to be melted down.

              Quote: Timeout
              So the Russian Federation with its warehouses NZ is just a cave of Aladdin

              What does this have to do with it? Since the cave, then Aladdin also threw the "rats" in it and gave a push in the corner ...
              Why all the reforms in the army, if nifiga does not change?
              How are the warehouses (I'm talking about gear) crammed with new body armor and helmets, good shoes? No, with all sorts of rubbish, caps, footcloths, and moths eaten! Have you been to those warehouses? I've happened to some. How much does the equipment of one gvindos and our soldier cost?
            2. Lopatov
              Lopatov 23 July 2013 15: 45
              +1
              Quote: Timeout
              US Army works from wheels! They do not have long-term storage depots; all uniforms and equipment enter the troops on demand.

              You're not right. They just have a thing delivered immediately to the troops, and not like ours, sucks in warehouses for a dozen years, or even more.
              1. Jin
                Jin 23 July 2013 19: 28
                +1
                Quote: Spade
                You're not right. They just have a thing delivered immediately to the troops,


                I just didn’t procrastinate the details, colleague ... Another topic about the lack of ammunition. Damn, I’d write on this topic, but unlike the respected Ascetic, I don’t have such print speed ... Someone has a desire, ready to voice aloud via Skype ...
        2. Lopatov
          Lopatov 23 July 2013 15: 43
          +1
          Quote: Timeout
          I respect your opinion, most likely the comrade did not put it correctly, most likely a commonplace fungus.

          The mushroom does not really depend on the shoes. We have one right up to the middle of the lower leg, the scales reached, he treated with TNT. And this despite the fact that everything in boots and footcloths, no socks, checked.

          Quote: Timeout
          And your socks didn’t leave your feet like sheets of rotten cabbage?

          Filthy socks and shoes. And "crocodiles" and kirzach socks kill. Especially cheap ones, which are issued instead of the normal ones sold from the warehouses.
          But this does not mean that we must return to the past. Good berets are more comfortable than boots in any conditions.
          1. Timeout
            Timeout 23 July 2013 17: 36
            0
            Banter! But good boots are good! Do you know how many hours it takes to produce 1 pair of Corcoran Marauder? So you know, in the Philippines, where there are 2 main factories, it takes 16 man-hours, in Brazil, where there are 3 more factories of 20 man-hours. Now imagine this on the scale of a mess where 30 thousand soldiers are ground up a day? And at least a third with damage to the lower extremities, that is, you cannot give the remnants to the militia! We need to be a little more practical, it is not for nothing that we were also taught political economy. Again, I tried all the shoes, but for an ordinary private Ivanov from the "queen of the fields" only kirzachi with footcloths. And to be objective, in large-scale hostilities, 70% of the fighters simply will not live to see the fungus and diaper rash!
            1. Jin
              Jin 24 July 2013 00: 46
              0
              Quote: Timeout
              Now imagine this in a mess where grind 30 thousand soldiers a day?


              And where is such a batch now? Or where is it planned? Or who will allow having nuclear weapons to lose so many soldiers per day? Damn, how much can you write, what we are looking at today! And not at the time of the Second World War ... "and now imagine that under the plague, 1/3 of the population died out in Europe" Imagine what? Imagine what the coming day is preparing for us.
  18. vietnam7
    vietnam7 23 July 2013 09: 54
    +7
    To supply all the troops with good shoes, I think more than one year will pass. If, nevertheless, the fairy tale becomes a reality, then all the same leave the course of winding the footcloths, in the global war all the most simple and reliable will return.
    1. Lopatov
      Lopatov 23 July 2013 10: 10
      +1
      You can give up one "Mistral" and provide the troops with normal field uniforms, including normal shoes and socks, for a decade to come.
      1. Hon
        Hon 23 July 2013 10: 17
        +5
        Quote: Spade
        You can give up one "Mistral" and provide the troops with normal field uniforms, including normal shoes and socks, for a decade to come.

        If the construction of a sports facility in Sochi had control, the state would have saved $ 28 billion, and it would have been enough for weapons. Here is the price of corruption.
  19. Corsair
    Corsair 23 July 2013 10: 07
    0
    Quote from the article:
    Footcloths have been part of the uniform of a Russian soldier for hundreds of years. They became an indispensable element of soldier's humor and folklore.

    Clickable Image:
    1. vot-te-raz
      vot-te-raz 23 July 2013 16: 02
      0
      Chapaevtsy caught the "white". Vaily Ivanovich says to Petka: "I am in the headquarters, but for now, find out the password from him." In the evening he comes from the headquarters and asks Petka
      -know the password?
      - No, Vasily Ivanovich, the prisoner said nothing. Came to shoot him.
      -How to shoot? Have you ever tortured him?
      -Tried, Vasily Ivanovich, -Silent
      hit with a hammer on your fingers?
      -beat. Silent.
      -compressed his head with a vise?
      -compressed. Silent
      thrust the needles on the nails?
      -putted. Silent.
      -wound eggs in a meat grinder?
      -wound. Silent.
      -My socks gave?
      -Yes, that I am a monster, or what ??
  20. Aleks tv
    Aleks tv 23 July 2013 10: 12
    +7
    I still wear footcloths if I have to wear lightweight and work in the garden or stomp somewhere in the forest.

    Four times it is possible to rewind and be dry. With the skill it’s hard to rub your foot in a footcloth.
    In berets, a sock, of course, is preferable, but washing is required daily. When rubbing, there is only one way - to turn the sock out; there are no other ways, unlike footcloths.

    Smart guys will decide for themselves what to wear in a particular case, healthy legs and healthy legs in Africa.
  21. user
    user 23 July 2013 10: 40
    +9
    Here again, the argument is not about anything.
    Those who served not in the Arbat military district, in practice, saw and understands that there is no place for conscripts without footcloths, firstly, cost, and secondly, when it’s normal to wash face-face for at least a week, then all these songs and the comfort of socks will sound obscene.
    Footcloths are for a big war, and socks are for service, they have different purposes.
    And as for Shoigu, I already wrote that he did not serve in the army for a day, therefore he was excusable, he had not heard of such things. The level of his leadership today is a big star on uniform for army generals, remember his one of the first orders. In the first place PONTS, well, and then how it goes, maybe not bad. How to know.
  22. Andrey58
    Andrey58 23 July 2013 11: 00
    +4
    Two pairs of socks per month is not enough. If they actively train, they will kill both couples in two weeks. I feel that I will soon go into the army of a parcel with socks.
    1. Pimply
      Pimply 23 July 2013 16: 35
      +3
      You didn’t wear good socks. Most of the Israeli army are still alive with me - but 14 years have passed.
      1. Andrey58
        Andrey58 23 July 2013 22: 46
        0
        God grant if such will be given to our soldiers.
  23. OCD
    OCD 23 July 2013 11: 05
    10
    In the conduct of hostilities in the field, I will see how to fight in boots, when it is not possible to dry boots and socks. The yuft boot is more hygienic than the tarpaulin boot. But the tarpaulin boot dries faster than the yuft boot and than the boot, and the footcloth dries much faster than the toe. If the footcloth is correctly wound in the boot, it is practically impossible to rub the corns, since the boot, footcloth, foot are tightly fixed relative to each other and work as a whole. When wearing shoes, the toe will stray on the leg, you have to tighten the lacing, which in turn leads to a violation of the normal blood supply to the feet. When crossing rivers, streams, legs in boots will be wet, because the height of the berets according to the standard is 18 cm. The boots of the shaft are about 40-45 cm high. Only rubber and polyethylene do not get wet. Almost all army boots leak and ours and Amerov’s are checked. I don’t even have a conversation for expensive trekking boots, they are not in the army. For asphalt, in the location of the part where there is no dirt and is dry and there are no long transitions, boots are more convenient, and in the field where there is dirt, long transitions, only boots. My opinion is personal, I do not pretend to anything, but I write because it all went long ago, and wore boots and boots, and I know all the + and - shoes.
    1. Hon
      Hon 23 July 2013 11: 16
      0
      Have you dealt with good boots? The cost of which is not 2-3 tr. and several times higher? I already laid out a photo of this model, try then speak.
      1. SIT
        SIT 23 July 2013 12: 10
        +2
        Quote: Hon
        I already posted photos of this model

        Is this a matterhorn? The sole is stitched. Sooner or later, longitudinal delamination will appear. Water will fall into it and freeze. Stratification will increase. Again water and its freezing, etc. etc. If they still stomp in the swamp all day, falling above the berets, then they will not dry out even if they are removed for the night. And in the swamp, no armor, which is worn in berets, will not pass - it will drown, and if it passes, then the trace from it will be visible even from the satellite, not to mention the drone. The turntable can be heard for 10 km in calm weather, when cold air over the swamp. So whatever one may say, walking is the only chance to stay alive. Now a polyurethane boot with an insert weighs 300 g and does not flow at all. The liner dries over a liquid bonfire in 10 minutes, even if it has fallen into the water.
        1. Jin
          Jin 23 July 2013 12: 25
          +2
          Quote: SIT
          If they still stomp in the swamp all day, falling above the berets, then they will not dry out even if they are removed for the night


          Do you imagine how you will stomp along that swamp, falling above your knees, in boots? Or did you just decide to fail above the berets? laughing Bertsa will stay on their feet and save their feet from wounds ...
          1. SIT
            SIT 23 July 2013 14: 00
            +1
            Quote: Jin
            Do you imagine how you will stomp along that swamp, falling above your knees, in boots?

            If you went into a swamp and began to fall above your knees, then obviously you are going the wrong way. Just a couple of steps and you are in a quagmire from where you can’t get out on your own. It’s necessary to get around this place on a hummocky place. Landmark of the tree. Even if dry. There, anyway, you won’t fail to the waist. Gortex trousers are fastened to the boots with fasteners, so that the water will ooze there, and will not flood. From the boots themselves, it is enough to simply pour out the water and they are dry, but about the insert I wrote - to unscrew and dry over the fire in 10 minutes.
            1. Jin
              Jin 23 July 2013 14: 16
              +2
              Quote: SIT
              If you went into a swamp and began to fall above your knees, then obviously you are going the wrong way. Just a couple of steps and you are in a quagmire from where you can’t get out on your own. It’s necessary to get around this place on a hummocky place. Landmark of the tree. Even if dry. There, anyway, you won’t fail to the waist. Gortex trousers are fastened to the boots on top, so that the water will ooze there,


              Yeah, but you can also use the pole, I’m in the know ... it’s not so simple ... let's say you have already gone above the knees, you can go back, but the boots are full of water and stuck in the mud, the boot will fly off, pulling it out, soak it completely . Gortex pants are probably a great thing, but you’ll be in an army ball and in full gear, God forbid with a machine gun, that’s the problem, we’re talking about combat. And, as you yourself write, if you go under the waist to the waist, you’ll have to dive for boots. And if at the same time you are still in footcloths ... the pipe is shorter. So that everything is very controversial.
              1. SIT
                SIT 23 July 2013 14: 33
                0
                Quote: Jin
                Gortex pants are probably a great thing, but you’ll be in an army ball and in full gear, God forbid with a machine gun, that’s the problem, we’re talking about combat

                I’m wearing Bundeswehr’s pants from a membrane, the equipment from a past life is also a captured Dutch patrol pack and unloading a molly with pouches for a navigator and fast-wagons with standard magazines for 30 rounds. Of course there is no machine gun, there is an M4. Well, naturally a civilian option without the ability to shoot bursts. So it happened that I learned to shoot exactly from the M4. Even now, after many years, I get into a goose in flight. In such equipment and boots with an insert, I never drowned these boots in the swamps.
                1. Jin
                  Jin 23 July 2013 14: 42
                  0
                  Quote: SIT
                  I’m wearing Bundeswehr’s pants from a membrane, the equipment from a past life is also a trophy Dutch patrol knapsack and unloading a molly with pouches for a navigator and fastmags with standard stores for 30 rounds


                  Well, you, I hope, will fight for Russia? Therefore, you will have a vertical line or a figure from cotton, in the best case a piece of glass ... And a standard bra and RD, or a thing bag ... Well, here it bore me a little, but the essence does not change

                  Quote: SIT
                  In such equipment and boots with an insert, I never drowned these boots in the swamps.


                  That’s exactly what’s in such a ... Again, a swamp, but we’ll not only fight constantly in the water knee-deep ... In the city, in boots, um ... shitty ...
                  1. SIT
                    SIT 23 July 2013 16: 05
                    0
                    Quote: Jin
                    Well, you, I hope, will fight for Russia? Therefore, you will have a vertical line or a figure from cotton, at best a glass ... And a standard bra and RD, or a thing bag

                    Do you think things will go no further than socks and there will be no complete normal equipment? A cup, a spoon, a change of linen in a thing bag system sidor and forth? Well then, it’s better to have white slippers instead of a sock ...
                    Quote: Jin
                    That’s exactly what’s in such a ... Again, a swamp, but we’ll not only fight constantly in the water knee-deep ... In the city, in boots, um ... shitty ...

                    Well, as you rightly remarked, now if I fight, it’s only for Russia, which means that most likely in Russia itself. Maybe, of course, God will give it to the north, it won’t come, then it’s better in berets, especially in the city. But if it’s in the north, I’d better sit on my lip for a flagrant violation of the uniform, but I’ll break in the local waterlogged taiga in my weightless boots with an insert))) Especially in the spring, when the snow still lies in the forest and there’s nothing dry.
                    1. Jin
                      Jin 23 July 2013 19: 41
                      0
                      Quote: SIT
                      Do you think things will go no further than socks and there will be no complete normal equipment? A cup, a spoon, a change of linen in a thing bag system sidor and forth? Well then, it’s better to have white slippers instead of socks at once ..


                      I agree that if so, then slippers ... here the topic is a little confused. It turns out that we are arguing about the same thing. I'm talking about high-quality equipment for the Armed Forces, you, about the same thing, but only "maid in dzhemani" but wearing you ... in short, they killed the topic. For myself, I summarize that the troops need equipment of quality and functionality no lower than the burghers ... even boots, even ankle boots ... I, in fact, speak the entire thread about this ...

                      Quote: SIT
                      But if in the north, I’d better sit on my lip for a flagrant violation of the uniform, but I’ll break in the local swampy taiga in my weightless boots with an insert)))


                      With all due respect, but until you reach the "non-explosive traps" ... or do you have a titanium (any other) plate in your sole?
                2. Timeout
                  Timeout 23 July 2013 15: 38
                  0
                  Quote: SIT
                  Quote: Jin
                  Do you imagine how you will stomp along that swamp, falling above your knees, in boots?

                  If you went into a swamp and began to fall above your knees, then obviously you are going the wrong way. Just a couple of steps and you are in a quagmire from where you can’t get out on your own. It’s necessary to get around this place on a hummocky place. Landmark of the tree. Even if dry. There, anyway, you won’t fail to the waist. Gortex trousers are fastened to the boots with fasteners, so that the water will ooze there, and will not flood. From the boots themselves, it is enough to simply pour out the water and they are dry, but about the insert I wrote - to unscrew and dry over the fire in 10 minutes.


                  Dear, have we not met in Sudan? Something familiar about swamps in Africa ..
                  1. SIT
                    SIT 23 July 2013 16: 11
                    0
                    Quote: Timeout
                    Dear, have we not met in Sudan? Something familiar about swamps in Africa ..


                    No, the glory of God did not go there. I was on the other side - in Liberia and a little east with all the stops)))
                    1. Timeout
                      Timeout 23 July 2013 18: 13
                      0
                      It’s clear, private trader ... I lost a lot, it was fun in Sudan. Well in Liberia, too, ran enough! Then good luck in the doom! smile
        2. Hon
          Hon 23 July 2013 12: 47
          0
          Quote: SIT
          Is this a matterhorn? The sole is stitched. Sooner or later, longitudinal delamination will appear. Water will fall into it and freeze. Stratification will increase. Again water and its freezing, etc. etc. If they still stomp in the swamp all day, falling above the berets, then they will not dry out even if they are removed for the night. And in the swamp, no armor, which is worn in berets, will not pass - it will drown, and if it passes, then the trace from it will be visible even from the satellite, not to mention the drone. The turntable can be heard for 10 km in calm weather, when cold air over the swamp. So whatever one may say, walking is the only chance to stay alive. Now a polyurethane boot with an insert weighs 300 g and does not flow at all. The liner dries over a liquid bonfire in 10 minutes, even if it has fallen into the water.

          There is no metterhorm, these are Austrian boots. I bought a stepfather in an army sekhenkhen, after being worn by a soldier, they are in excellent condition. For days on end, he climbs their feet in the swamps, always dry. The sole at the attachment point is flooded with some kind of resin, or the threads are sealed or fastened with vulcanization. There are no bundles. By the way, I have baties with a polyurethane sole, light but not severe tests, the polyurethane can not stand, so for a soldier it is not the best option.
          1. SIT
            SIT 23 July 2013 14: 05
            0
            Quote: Hon
            The sole at the attachment point is flooded with some kind of resin, or the threads are sealed or fastened with vulcanization. There are no bundles.

            Stratification is a disease of the stitching method of attaching the sole as a whole. If a couple of weeks without normal drying and in the mode is wet - frozen, then as a rule bundles appear.
            1. Hon
              Hon 23 July 2013 17: 33
              0
              Quote: SIT
              Stratification is a disease of the stitching method of attaching the sole as a whole. If a couple of weeks without normal drying and in the mode is wet - frozen, then as a rule bundles appear.

              For the past year and a half no stratification, especially no one dries them, wallowing in the trunk of the car. He wears when he goes into the forest, and, accordingly, through puddles, swamps, etc. legs after a day of such walking DRY !!! Moreover, the boots were used. It is not known how many of them were trampled before.
      2. Pimply
        Pimply 23 July 2013 16: 36
        0
        In fact, good army boots may well cost the very same 2-3 tons of rubles, and even cheaper. In Russia, Belvili’s army costs 4.5 tons at retail, but in reality their price is about 2-3 thousand.
        1. Hon
          Hon 23 July 2013 17: 25
          +1
          Quote: Pimply
          In fact, good army boots may well cost the very same 2-3 tons of rubles, and even cheaper. In Russia, Belvili’s army costs 4.5 tons at retail, but in reality their price is about 2-3 thousand.

          Well, in fact, berets that give our soldiers 800 rubles. are standing. I wrote a store price because many people share their personal experience here, and berets have to buy on their own, basically the average price is 2-3 tr. you can’t take good ones at the store for that kind of money.
          1. Pimply
            Pimply 23 July 2013 21: 33
            +1
            These are already supply problems, and not whether socks or footcloths are good or not.
    2. Jin
      Jin 23 July 2013 11: 18
      +1
      Quote: UBOP
      and in the field where there is dirt, long transitions, only boots


      Here is a colleague, you again think in terms of the Second World War. Where are you going to go to Berlin? Let's think in the format of modern wars. You’ll be moving on the armor. Here you are right about the footcloths, but, I repeat, the whole misfortune of our army from POVERTY! You should be thrown on turntables or taken on armor, and not forced to stomp 50 km, like our grandfathers! Here's another thing that in the harsh realities in our army, everything is not as we would like to see. Therefore, I consider the argument pointless. If everything remains as it is, it’s all so, return the breeches, boots and caps. If you really re-equip, dress and shoe in high-quality uniform and shoes ... Hmm, the idiot’s dream along the way, Mlyn
      1. OCD
        OCD 23 July 2013 11: 41
        +3
        They threw it, and it happened that it was necessary, then stomp back with legs. And on the sidewall in the forest, in the mountains, what a technique. On foot.
        1. Jin
          Jin 23 July 2013 11: 48
          0
          Quote: UBOP
          They threw it, and it happened that it was necessary, then stomp back with legs. And on the sidewall in the forest, in the mountains, what a technique. On foot.


          Did you comb the taiga on the way (I'm talking about the distance)? I’m telling you that if it is assumed that the rear will be far and long enough, upon exiting, do you count on what you take with you for this time? Ammunition, soldering ... socks in the end? or not? Or were you being thrown there for a month without security? And they threw you in boots in the mountains?
          And didn’t they make a testament write for an hour?
      2. ed65b
        ed65b 23 July 2013 11: 49
        +3
        Well, you still remember about Coca-Cola machines, chewing gum and McDonald’s portable, and we won’t win a single war because the soldier will forget how to fight and stupidly wait until they bring him a lift and shoot him.
        1. Jin
          Jin 23 July 2013 11: 55
          +1
          Quote: ed65b
          Well, you still remember about Coca-Cola machines, chewing gum and McDonald’s portable, and we won’t win a single war because the soldier will forget how to fight and stupidly wait until they bring him a lift and shoot him.


          Well, let's ride horses and take checkers! How do you imagine a modern war without technology? Or are you going to fight with the Papuans?
          1. ed65b
            ed65b 23 July 2013 13: 14
            +2
            The time will come and we will ride the horses and take the sabers in our hands. Ksati horses in the mountains are better than tanks. Well, you can fight the same saber.
            1. Jin
              Jin 23 July 2013 13: 24
              0
              Quote: ed65b
              The time will come and we will ride the horses and take the sabers in our hands


              What are you talking about?

              Quote: ed65b
              ksati horses in the mountains are better than tanks


              What performance characteristics do you compare? laughing



              Quote: ed65b
              Well, you can fight the same saber.


              Well, yes, like a sapper blade. And snipers shoot from bows and shoot down planes with ballistics ... and in the fleet in the galleys we attack Arly Burke ... mdya ...
              1. ed65b
                ed65b 23 July 2013 14: 39
                0
                You laugh in vain the Czechs in the mountains were much more mobile riding horses. And the sapper blade rescued more than once in hand-to-hand combat.
                1. Jin
                  Jin 23 July 2013 15: 10
                  0
                  Quote: ed65b
                  You laugh in vain the Czechs in the mountains were much more mobile riding horses.


                  You didn’t understand me, you’re saying everything correctly, just a comparison is VERY incorrect, really ... like an x ​​tram handle, I'm sorry.

                  Quote: ed65b
                  And the sapper blade rescued more than once in hand-to-hand combat.


                  It’s also true, only they used it, again from despair, due to the lack of trench knives, unlike the Germans ... Not with bare hands, to throw such a blade.
                  1. ed65b
                    ed65b 23 July 2013 15: 43
                    0
                    Yes, I didn’t talk about the Second World War, but it’s quite a modern time and not far from us in the Caucasus. And cases of such a snowstorm. but in general, the dispute is about nothing, equipment is needed but physical training should not be forgotten.
                    1. Jin
                      Jin 23 July 2013 19: 47
                      0
                      Quote: ed65b
                      Yes, I'm not talking about the Second World War


                      I'm also not talking about the Second World War, I just gave an example ...
                2. Hon
                  Hon 23 July 2013 15: 53
                  +1
                  Quote: ed65b
                  You laugh in vain the Czechs in the mountains were much more mobile riding horses. And the sapper blade rescued more than once in hand-to-hand combat.

                  And often converged in melee?
            2. Pimply
              Pimply 23 July 2013 16: 37
              0
              What kind of nonsense?
              1. Jin
                Jin 23 July 2013 19: 48
                0
                Quote: Pimply
                What kind of nonsense?


                Zhenya, what is nonsense?
                1. Pimply
                  Pimply 23 July 2013 21: 35
                  +1
                  I'm talking about this "miracle"

                  Quote: ed65b
                  The time will come and we will ride the horses and take the sabers in our hands. Ksati horses in the mountains are better than tanks. Well, you can fight the same saber
                  1. Jin
                    Jin 24 July 2013 00: 50
                    0
                    Quote: Pimply
                    I'm talking about this "miracle"


                    Oh yes, a masterpiece comment
      3. olegff68
        olegff68 23 July 2013 16: 54
        0
        Quote: Jin
        all the misfortune of our army from POVERTY! You should be thrown on turntables or taken on armor, and not forced to stomp 50 km, like our grandfathers!

        No need to exaggerate - our army is not badly motorized (each infantryman is "attached" to an armored personnel carrier or an infantry fighting vehicle or other equipment !!! Another thing is that the war usually dictates its own realities, as an example - in the mountains and forests of the Caucasus, in search of gangs. Formations , it is possible only with legs (therefore, specialists take with them. fleece footcloths), no helicopter or armor will help to find the den, and this is just a small example, but there are many of them !!!
        1. Jin
          Jin 23 July 2013 19: 46
          0
          Quote: olegff68
          No exaggeration - our army is not badly motorized


          Yes, pretty not bad, bad, sorry for the pun ...
        2. uwzek
          uwzek 23 July 2013 20: 45
          0
          The main reality of the war (not counting the possible death) is life. If it rains for four weeks, and you are in a tent with a puddle on the floor ... You can not explain further.
  24. Liasenski
    Liasenski 23 July 2013 11: 11
    +1
    Lord forbid you to get into the barracks at night before the bath-and-laundry day - it’s incredible when you don’t notice it yourself, the receptors turn off, but you don’t hide the receptors in your outfit, so I tried to go into the dormitory only in emergency cases, more often I sent free and the fault of all this fragrance, in addition to the gas attacks of the soldier’s body, was a drying cloth wrapped on a boot. I didn’t wear Bertsa, so I can’t say anything, but in my opinion you shouldn’t part with a footcloth, it’s a convenient thing in skillful hands, it is still used by workers at construction sites and so on, I say from my own experience that there are no better footcloths in boots.
  25. SIT
    SIT 23 July 2013 11: 14
    +4
    He served in the immemorial 70s and therefore I can not imagine service without footcloths. With the exception of mountains. Going to the mountains in boots is a one-way road. But now the 21st century is making its adjustments. Now I go to the forest like this.
    I don’t know exactly what kind of material. It looks like polyurethane. One boot with an insert weighs 300 grams. In the northern forest with alternating swamps and windbreaks, only rubber boots are an alternative, but they weigh 5 times more. The insert near the fire on a stick dries for about 10 minutes. Just do not poke it directly into the fire)))
    Even if he fell through the balls, pulled out his leg, sat on a stump, squeezed the liner and went on. After about 5 minutes from the foot, the liner heats up and the foot is warm. In northern forests, berets are not an alternative to such boots, because short and the trouser leg will be constantly wet. We are all the same Russia, not Austria ...
    [img] http://yandex.ru/yandsearch?lr=20&text= lightweight hunting boots [/ img]
    1. Hon
      Hon 23 July 2013 11: 20
      0
      Quote: SIT
      We are all the same Russia, not Austria ...

      The height of the berets is different, can be done as boots and higher, knee-high
      1. SIT
        SIT 23 July 2013 11: 55
        +2
        Quote: Hon
        The height of the berets is different, can be done as boots and higher, knee-high

        How much will they weigh and how long will they be laced? You can put on a boot with an insert in a couple of seconds, but I wrote about the weight of this type of boot.
        1. Hon
          Hon 23 July 2013 12: 50
          0
          Quote: SIT
          How much will they weigh and how long will they be laced? You can put on a boot with an insert in a couple of seconds, but I wrote about the weight of this type of boot.

          There are quick-lacing systems, by the way they are sometimes used on boots, although boots or boots are not important, the main quality, and the UG that is given to our soldiers is no good.
  26. ed65b
    ed65b 23 July 2013 11: 45
    +4
    Whoever at least once shook the tailcloth will never remain at the genetic level. And socks are so-so without footless nonsense. Maybe for specialists who customize everything for themselves and a sock in the subject, but for the army there is nothing better than a footcloth.
    1. Jin
      Jin 23 July 2013 12: 10
      0
      Quote: ed65b
      Whoever at least once shook the tailcloth will never remain at the genetic level.


      Here it is not necessary! To wind it correctly so that it does not rub and does not get off, it takes time. You tell those who didn’t serve how they at least once wound it and did not rub calluses, served all the time.
      1. uwzek
        uwzek 23 July 2013 21: 06
        +1
        The footcloth does not have to be wound correctly. You need to choose the right shoe size. I came to the urgent, having experience of long journeys, that's why I didn't earn a single callus in the army (on my feet). The feeling of a shoe is a very personal thing. Someone got used to loose shoes and compensate for the difference in volume with the thickness of the socks. Others are accustomed to tight shoes - in them the leg looks more graceful, and most importantly, they did not have to walk for a long time in civilian life. From this and the main reasons for their army blisters. And there are also human feet that do not correspond to standard shoe lasts. With the correct selection of shoe size, the footcloth is no more knocked off than a sock. Pulling a wet sock over your leg is no faster than winding a footcloth. And in damp weather, sometimes a smoke with a drink gets wet, not like spare "clean" socks.
    2. olegff68
      olegff68 23 July 2013 16: 58
      0
      Quote: ed65b
      Whoever at least once shook the tailcloth will never remain at the genetic level. And socks are so-so without footless nonsense. Maybe for specialists who customize everything for themselves and a sock in the subject, but for the army there is nothing better than a footcloth.

      Just the same experts prefer footcloths, going to the mountains for a few days !!!
    3. Yarbay
      Yarbay 23 July 2013 21: 39
      0
      Quote: ed65b
      Whoever at least once shook the tailcloth will never remain at the genetic level.

      This is the third article about it !!
      I recall the argument with my brother !!
      He is a supporter of footcloths)))))
      I never wore footcloths and I will not change socks on them!)))
      I consider footcloths to be an obsolete attribute of form !!
  27. svoboda1970
    svoboda1970 23 July 2013 12: 03
    0
    Mr. Shoigu send this article to read ...
    1. Hudo
      Hudo 23 July 2013 12: 10
      0
      Quote: svoboda1970
      Mr. Shoigu send this article to read ...

      What is the use of reading? Here you have to try it yourself, otherwise the output will be full autosourcing.
  28. Djozz
    Djozz 23 July 2013 12: 10
    0
    By the way, the photo for the article, this is the "Presidential Regiment" of the FSO, you know, with the clothing allowance, the whole class is there. Go to the website of the Presidential Regiment (clothing allowance)
  29. Letnab
    Letnab 23 July 2013 12: 40
    +1
    war of the decade !!! ... :) socks vs footcloths ...
    In my experience, I had to wear boots and tarpaulin and rubber very much, without footcloths anywhere, very comfortable. In winter, it’s time, too, following the example of the Finnish army to switch to rubber boots in the field, the autumn-spring thaw problem is immediately resolved .. The only issue is warming the feet with special inserts, or fur chuns, according to the situation, which comes to hand, by the way, including cloth footcloths will go. In the field are very useful. A felt boots, but warm, but get wet quickly, and turn into frozen pads, to dry a problem in the winter near a fire .. Well, and much more can be said ...
  30. Max_Bauder
    Max_Bauder 23 July 2013 13: 24
    +2
    For foot lovers, I would like to say:

    modern warfare is urban battles, where everything is done quickly, quickly get dressed, quickly shoot, it’s more important not how you dress, but how accurately you shoot, and how cleverly you conduct operations, whether it's a soldier or a special forces soldier. This is not a war where you are advancing on a wide front and layered in depth and where you lie for a long time in a trench in the event of a breakthrough delay.

    Now no one will have the opportunity to sit and pull footcloths, it is clear for a long time that you can learn how to wrap them correctly, but where is the guarantee that most salags will quickly learn.

    The modern war is such that they abandoned somewhere in a group, go and do the operation. Remember our specialists in Afghanistan wore sneakers in general (for example, Yuri Kovtun, who won the stringer, see his photo).

    So with love, heavy boots with a heavy variant of pulling footcloths - this is yesterday’s century, if it was wound incorrectly, hello disease =) there will already be victims before the fight with all sorts of corns.

    It’s better to invent (yes they already are, my brother bought a paratrooper (I don’t know which ones), it’s easier than a moccasin, wore -40 in the field exercises in winter, and nothing) it is easier to put on shoes in urgent combat conditions when there’s an alarm, you see, it’s not contract soldiers who will be fighting in the majority, but conscripts (that is, salags who did not smell gunpowder) if there is a war.

    PySy.
    In battles, it seems to me that life does not depend on winding up footcloths, but as a weapon, and the ability to shoot accurately, well, in a bold spirit too,
    and shoes can be removed from the enemy after the battle, if barefoot (as Napoleon’s troops did when they conducted the Italian campaign).
    Let us leave the footcloths to the fishermen, who have a lot of time and have long been sitting in one place.
    1. Hleb
      Hleb 23 July 2013 13: 27
      +1
      so that's just the point. here many "fought" in the mud at some construction site and it was in the 70s. that's why they stand up for boots, because they haven't seen normal ankle boots
      1. Djozz
        Djozz 23 July 2013 14: 20
        0
        Look at the photo for the article. The soldiers of the presidential regiment are learning to wrap footcloths, beside berets. Nowadays. The tea in this elite regiment is not fools!
        1. Jin
          Jin 23 July 2013 14: 25
          0
          Quote: Djozz
          Look at the photo for the article. The soldiers of the presidential regiment are learning to wrap footcloths, beside berets. Nowadays. The tea in this elite regiment is not fools!


          Can you tell me for an hour what year this photo is? 2013, 2012,2011? When did you start talking about socks? In arimia there is the concept of "Uniform" and for everyone it is the same (I don’t take Air Force specialists, etc.), so the "supplies" have nothing to do with it
          1. Djozz
            Djozz 23 July 2013 14: 50
            0
            My son, after the Polytechnic, served there in the security company November 2011-2012, that's it.
            1. Jin
              Jin 23 July 2013 15: 14
              0
              Quote: Djozz
              My son, after the Polytechnic, served there in the security company November 2011-2012, that's it.


              That's just the point, that 2011-2012, and when did the decree on socks come out? Not in 2013?
              1. Djozz
                Djozz 23 July 2013 18: 22
                0
                FSO Regiment, Shoigu does not obey.
                1. Jin
                  Jin 23 July 2013 19: 53
                  -1
                  Quote: Djozz
                  FSO Regiment, Shoigu does not obey.


                  Yes, fuck, fucking with him! Damn it, hurt yourself! Let them wind further! I’m chewing loot, I’m working out, I’ve tested it on myself, then I write- * BALL I THESE PORTERS, CLEAR ??? MY IMHA and Do not FIG argue anymore,, soothed her-GOD!

                  pysy I hope in 3050 on Mars our guys will not be landing in a canvas and footcloths over a military armored suit ... but what, this is super weight! And on Mars, it’ll rub ... kapets. Everything: over .. end of the connection .. accepted, hang up ...
        2. Hleb
          Hleb 23 July 2013 14: 37
          +1
          Listen, I don’t know what kind of photo this is, but if the presidential regiment, then what are they doing there? fighting? marching, exits, landing, assault?
          1. Djozz
            Djozz 23 July 2013 14: 54
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            Oddly enough, marching, shooting, guard except for companies 1 and 11 of the "honor guard", there is a "special forces", go to the site "Presidential Regiment", there you will see everything.
            1. Hleb
              Hleb 23 July 2013 15: 04
              +1
              strangely enough, the first pictures came across to me

              1. Jin
                Jin 23 July 2013 15: 15
                +2
                Quote: Gleb
                strangely enough, the first pictures came across to me


                Note a colleague, for some reason no boots ...
                1. Hleb
                  Hleb 23 July 2013 15: 18
                  0
                  Well, yes. For the exception of those who receive foreign guests, the guard ... Well, all over the world such units in chrome coins
                  1. Djozz
                    Djozz 23 July 2013 17: 36
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                    The company of the guard of honor of the 154th commandant regiment of the Armed Forces receives foreign guests, the "Presidential Regiment" belongs to the Fed. security service (FSO) he has other tasks, except for 2 companies of the guard of honor at the Eternal Flame. Here they have a drill, "collapse and Mauser"
                    1. Hleb
                      Hleb 23 July 2013 17: 40
                      0
                      where did your first serve what tasks? what kind of special forces
                      1. Djozz
                        Djozz 23 July 2013 17: 54
                        0
                        "Presidential regiment" security company. Look at the website of the presidential regiment, there are the tasks of all companies. I incorrectly expressed this is not a pure special forces of the GRU, they train there to solve special tasks
                      2. Hleb
                        Hleb 23 July 2013 17: 59
                        +1
                        Well, actually I’m here and sitting in order to communicate. And not on that site. Once you have started, then tell wink You talked about special forces. Here I am wondering what kind of animals such
                      3. Djozz
                        Djozz 23 July 2013 18: 12
                        0
                        The task of the regiment is the protection of statesmen, with all the ensuing consequences.
                      4. Jin
                        Jin 23 July 2013 20: 02
                        -1
                        Quote: Djozz
                        The task of the regiment is the protection of statesmen, with all the ensuing consequences.


                        Do you even know who takes care of the "statesmen"? Special forces from conscripts in footcloths? laughing
        3. Djozz
          Djozz 23 July 2013 15: 16
          0
          Here it is true. In winter, berets and footcloths.
          1. Hleb
            Hleb 23 July 2013 15: 21
            +2
            I'm not against boots and footcloths at all. but all for a certain situation.
            1. Jin
              Jin 23 July 2013 20: 04
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              Quote: Gleb
              I'm not against boots and footcloths at all. but all for a certain situation.


              That's right +
  • baskoy
    baskoy 23 July 2013 16: 01
    +1
    Well yes! Our country, like that Luxembourg, consists entirely of cities. And when Moscow is finally finally "surrendered", we should not go to the forests and swamps to partisan like savages. Not in forty-one, tea, we live! Fuck us extra planes, tanks - the main thing is to buy superbeats and nanosocks in Austria, just not to "suffer" with footcloths. And what kind of "cut" is planned again - the soul sings.
  • Generalissimus
    Generalissimus 23 July 2013 14: 27
    +1
    My generation of "dressmakers" passed through Afghanistan and many other things, and you shouldn't speak so dismissively about our combat capability. As time has shown, it was higher than now. That's strange, isn't it?

    As for how quickly you can wrap footcloths and put on boots in comparison with berets, so I assure you - boots with footcloths will give a head start big =))
    Simply put, you fly into the boots from the bed in a second, and a footcloth for this case is already across the shaft. And then, if and when the situation becomes clear, rewind them - so at that time you need 3 seconds per foot.

    Your conclusions are strange and the connection between footcloths and combat readiness, boots and modern types of combat. What does it have to do with it?

    Kovtun Yuri - he wore sneakers when he climbed the rocks. And believe me, he also wore boots. Or do you think everyone in Afghanistan was running in sneakers? =)
    Sneakers were worn there so that the sole did not slip. And not all the exits. But the fact that the ankle was not even covered was a big minus.
  • mark7
    mark7 23 July 2013 16: 35
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    Well, if you hope that the war will be only in the city, but always on the armor and the pinwheel will pick up if you need to remember the Afghan, then yes, you need to buy sneakers. Shoigu probably thinks so
  • datur
    datur 23 July 2013 14: 32
    0
    I served in KTURVO in the summer, and boots and socks, in spring, in winter, as well, and wore boots with footcloths and did not wake up !!! winkBy the way, we didn’t really get lumps about who had what !!! yes
  • Max_Bauder
    Max_Bauder 23 July 2013 14: 45
    +2
    Quote: Generalissimus
    Kovtun Yuri - he wore sneakers when he climbed the rocks. And believe me, he also wore boots. Or do you think everyone in Afghanistan was running in sneakers? =) Sneakers were worn there so that the sole did not slip. And not all the exits. But the fact that the ankle was not even covered was a big minus.


    That's it, boots do not fit the modern look of battle, to climb the rocks so as not to slip, shoes should be for all occasions for a fighter.
    1. Generalissimus
      Generalissimus 23 July 2013 14: 51
      -1
      Do not be silly. Kovtun - special.
      And here is the modern type of battle? Why did you decide that the modern type of battle is necessarily urban?

      The special clothes are dressed and equipped for each task individually, depending on the task itself and the conditions where it is carried out. In Africa, one thing in the taiga, another, in Tajikistan the third, and on Tverskaya the fourth ..
      What relation does Kovtun have as an example of a modern type of battle? What are you carrying? Do not equate yourself with specialists.

      Some kind of kindergarten, excuse me ..

      Yes, and I do not say that boots are the only thing you need.

      ps: you change what you wrote, my answer now looks strange. =)
      But I will not change my own.
      1. Jin
        Jin 23 July 2013 15: 21
        +2
        Quote: Generalissimus
        The clothes are dressed and equipped for each task individually


        Colleague, it’s not for me to explain to you that there is more than one special forces at war. Combined arms footwear needs high quality and comfortable! So that you don't have to run in sneakers! And if in sneakers, God forbid, you step on the "thorn", but at least on a rusty nail? Read-ran back. You yourself know, sneakers from the fact that there was no alternative ... That's what we're talking about here.

        Quote: Generalissimus
        Yes, and I do not say that boots are the only thing you need


        Strongly agree with you!
  • imrek_ua
    imrek_ua 23 July 2013 15: 00
    +1
    Ankle boots and socks are good if you don’t have to stomp far and there are where and when to wash socks and then dry them with ankle boots. And if for a long transition, then only boots with footcloths.
    And here is a quote in the topic:
    “In sneakers with footcloths it is much easier. As soon as I succeed, I immediately rewind the footcloths to the dry side and re-lace. to dry out at least a little. Greens, however, did not take clean socks with him and therefore suffers. I had to give him mine, it is much easier for me in footcloths. "
    Quote from here: http://artofwar.ru/z/zagorcew_a_w/text_0820.shtml
    And here's another story: http://warfiles.ru/show-35183-chto-inostrancu-smert-to-russkomu-normativ-triumf-
    pskovskogo-vdv-na-marshe-mira.html
    See how the Yankees washed their feet. These definitely do not know what footcloths are.
    1. Generalissimus
      Generalissimus 23 July 2013 15: 06
      +1
      Exactly. +
      --------------
    2. Hleb
      Hleb 23 July 2013 15: 13
      0
      High boots and socks are good if you do not need to stomp far

      the usual way out was three days. when it’s five. and all this time it’s searching. everything is in berets.
      Zagorsky's tales are not an argument.
      and how did they win? 160 km
      http://www.vesti.ru/only_video.html?vid=523621
      1. Generalissimus
        Generalissimus 23 July 2013 15: 19
        +1
        I had exits for 12 days. So what? Do you want to compete in something? Meaning? I believe that you have gone through fire, water and copper pipes. You don't even know the interlocutor, but for some reason you issue harsh judgments, you even try to offend people: "that's just the point. Here many" fought "in the mud at some construction site and that was in the 70s. Here they are They stand up for boots, because they haven't seen normal ankle boots. "

        From this I conclude that you yourself about the service only in the cinema and have learned something.
        Bo can’t see a person who behaves like this.
        1. Jin
          Jin 23 July 2013 15: 24
          +1
          Quote: Generalissimus
          You don't even know the interlocutor, but for some reason you give harsh judgments, you even try to offend people: "that's just the point. Here many" fought "in the mud at some construction site, and this was in the 70s.


          Colleague, don’t take it to heart, it’s just that there really are drinks
          1. Generalissimus
            Generalissimus 23 July 2013 15: 59
            0
            Accepted. I agree. drinks
        2. Hleb
          Hleb 23 July 2013 16: 17
          +3
          don’t worry. this doesn’t concern you. we’ve already sorted out that you served with the union and therefore have such an attitude towards the berets. I’ve seen no less than yours about it. so don’t drive
          tell them about your 12-day outings in boots



          although hippos and crocodiles are self-mutilation
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  • rexby63
    rexby63 23 July 2013 15: 08
    +2
    Opinions are divided. In the army, after a year of service, many (but not all, the guys from the village were not really eager for socks) peers switched to socks. About a quarter immediately picked up the fungus, but this did not discourage them from socks, although company statistics confirmed that even not very neat warriors, but daily winding footcloths, did not suffer from fungus. Although this is all so personal, for me they would leave both socks and footcloths, and then let everyone choose
  • mark7
    mark7 23 July 2013 15: 27
    0
    Quote: Hon
    . The store has a new 7000 rubles.

    Do not give a link about the store? I will be grateful
    1. Hon
      Hon 23 July 2013 16: 01
      +1
      This is not an online store, but I don’t remember the address, somewhere at home the business card was scattered looking. A couple of years ago, I saw these in the area of ​​Ilyich Square
  • Djozz
    Djozz 23 July 2013 17: 41
    +1
    Colleagues, the question is not about berets and boots, but about the functionality of footcloths or socks in soldier's shoes.
    1. Hleb
      Hleb 23 July 2013 17: 46
      +1
      this is directly connected. in bad trousers and for a thousand rubles. socks are not socks. therefore, in boots it is better with trousers
    2. Hon
      Hon 23 July 2013 17: 49
      0
      Quote: Djozz
      Colleagues, the question is not about berets and boots, but about the functionality of footcloths or socks in soldier's shoes.

      Both that and another are functional and suitable, with the amendment that socks are special.
      1. Jin
        Jin 23 July 2013 20: 09
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        Quote: Hon

        Both that and another are functional and suitable, with the amendment that socks are special.


        You’re wrong ... no supersnock can help you in shit shoes ... berets need only good ones, but we are used to saving on soldiers ...
  • DZ_98_B
    DZ_98_B 23 July 2013 17: 50
    +1
    Personally, I like army boots! Not Zekov’s, but army ones. With normal socks they walk quite normally !!!! And almost all shoes stuff corns until you get used to it. I saw an advertisement today .. the model fashioned an adhesive plaster from corns !! Probably we need to look for the best samples of clothing. and dress the soldier in the best patterns. And the song ... my father walked in footcloths. I walked in footcloths ... and my son will walk in footcloths. tired of hearing already.
    1. Jin
      Jin 23 July 2013 21: 11
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      Quote: DZ_98_B
      Personally, I like army boots! Not Zekov’s, but army ones. With normal socks they walk quite normally !!!!


      Here I highlight the word SOCKS. hi

      Quote: DZ_98_B
      Probably you need to look for the best samples of clothing. and dress the soldier in the best patterns. And the song ... my father walked in footcloths. I walked in footcloths ... and my son will walk in footcloths. tired of hearing already


      + Sound and without demagoguery.
  • DZ_98_B
    DZ_98_B 23 July 2013 17: 52
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    Personally, I like army boots! Not Zekov’s, but army ones. With normal socks they walk quite normally !!!! And almost all shoes stuff corns until you get used to it. I saw an advertisement today .. the model fashioned an adhesive plaster from corns !! Probably we need to look for the best samples of clothing. and dress the soldier in the best patterns. And the song ... my father walked in footcloths. I walked in footcloths ... and my son will walk in footcloths. tired of hearing already.
  • I think so
    I think so 23 July 2013 19: 10
    +4
    With the FIRST serious test of the Russian army, everything WILL BE back to square one ... and the soldiers will wear footcloths, not holey socks ... Deciding on the replacement of footcloths by reading politics and manilovism ... they say that we are not too sewn and we can wear socks ... amateurs from politics and amateurs from military affairs all started this ... but life will show their stupidity ...
  • wax
    wax 23 July 2013 22: 00
    +3
    In Belarus in 1944 in high boots, even high-quality, would not have passed. Shoes should also be determined by the nature of the terrain and the characteristics of the battles.
  • albai
    albai 23 July 2013 22: 25
    +6
    By the nature of my studies and service, I had a chance to walk in boots and ankle boots. During my studies at the school I had to wind many kilometers, and I wore socks and footcloths. I will say one thing better in footcloths. The boots were yuft, it was enough for six months, then the seams on the back part diverged, they sewed them up themselves, well, the heels, if they were without joints, they were grinded. For the first time I saw ankle boots in Afghan, but some strange leather bottom, kersey top. We also had a tarpaulin with a polyurethane sole, but in winter it almost flew off the trail, it got stiff in the cold. I put on sneakers on the mountains, Czech ones with a thick and non-slip sole, one inconvenience, I did not fix the ankle. And he wore all these shoes with a footcloth: they did not crumple, did not stray on the toe or in the heel, did not rub. Then, amerovskie ankle boots had a chance to vilify winter boots with "gortex" and summer boots, as above in the photo, which are Austrian, not a fountain. Well, some uncomfortable, or legs with age, like those of hobbits, have become, or foreign shoes did not fit? Conclusion - well-fitted on the foot, shaft, well-oiled, soaked, stitched barnyard, yuft boots are better than "findepersovye" ankle boots, and footcloths - than the same "findepersovye" socks.
  • RoTTor
    RoTTor 24 July 2013 00: 32
    +3
    Leave alone our great domestic invention - GOGGLER. She will survive a hundred more inconspicuous ministers.
    To those who served and attributed them, there is no need to convince the benefits of footcloths.
    Minister miners are all the more useless. Because it’s easier to muddle your head with socks and shoulder straps on a belly than bring a scattered army into a minimal order.
    And what are the opportunities for corruption sock supplies.
    Ukrainian border guards have already become famous by purchasing socks of 250 hryvnia (1000 rubles) per pair. It’s not in vain that Ukraine’s army socks were lobbied by the unfortunate Minister of Defense Griyenko, who had been converted by the Americans, all of his service, with the exception of two years in the training regiment of the Chernigov VVAUL, who endured all the hardships and deprivations of service in his own Kiev VVAIU.

    On some satellite channel there was a broadcast about "green berets." Let her reXXX reformers watch it, especially the part where they showed the legs of the “green” after a 30km march in super-boots and super-socks.

    The overcoat has already been eliminated, the real defense capability - even more so.

    It’s good that Shoigu is at least trying to rename the military medical service. But who will go there now?
    1. Guilty
      Guilty 27 October 2013 02: 11
      0
      And is it true that Soviet overcoats were not visible in the night observation device? I read it somewhere, interested)))))
  • 6216390
    6216390 24 July 2013 00: 52
    +1
    ... rejection of footcloths does not look very reasonable.

    We can not disagree with the author.
  • Captain45
    Captain45 24 July 2013 02: 24
    +3
    I won’t argue about my own: a service in SA 83-85 in Mongolia, in winter -40, in summer + 40,730 days in boots and footcloths. I put on my socks in the summer and threw it out by dinner. I received yuft (yalovye) calls, then I’ll go abroad sent, then changed to tarpaulin, it’s too heavy. I don’t know anything better for 2 of the year of service. Now I wear Belarusian high berets for work in the winter, I don’t remember the company, but they are very comfortable in winter with a woolen toe in -40, if of course for a long time in place you’re standing, it’s freezing, but on the other hand, while you lace up, it’s easier to jump into boots, with footcloths. fishing boots + footcloths. Actually, I think the opponents of footcloths those who never learned how to wrap them correctly in 2 years of service laughing
  • Dejavu
    Dejavu 24 July 2013 05: 43
    +5
    I had a joke at the service. He served in the Primorsky Territory in the city of Artem, so there is humidity and frost in winter that it penetrates through in a matter of minutes, no matter how well you are dressed. We stand on the parade ground, doing drill. Conscripts naturally have winter footcloths and kirsa. Sergeants with show-offs in berets, like true crooks. Only after 20 minutes of drill training, the sergeants were already jumping from foot to foot and matyugi on what the light was due to frostbitten toes. And we are freezing cold, we are standing and we are warm and well. For the boot is big, the footcloth warms, the air warms the legs - beauty.

    Running around in kirsa, on the other hand, is a nightmare. Especially if trampled and the size was a little larger, which is not uncommon. But in the summer it’s cooler in the tarpaulin, again, due to ventilation. Plus you can always erase the footcloth in the river and dry it on the fire in 3 minutes. Socks are also possible, but harder.

    In general, if you serve in peacetime, then you can also be in berets, but if war, forests, rivers, swamps, and dirt are only kirzachi and foot cloths. Wartime supply is often disrupted. The Germans in Stalingrad know. There are problems for the soldier - there are problems for the whole army. Fighting with wet frostbitten legs is not an option. If war, my choice of footcloths. Dump into the city - berets :)
  • faraon
    faraon 24 July 2013 13: 48
    +3
    It seems to me all the noise raised about the fact that boots or berets are better than footcloths or socks, all this is fraud of people who did not serve and are far from the hardships and deprivations of military service.
    A differentiated approach is needed to solve this issue. In Russia there are several climatic zones and a huge number of natural landscapes. Of course, if you say that boots, and foot wraps are acceptable in all conditions, yes this is an average version of shoes that has been tried for centuries. But in the yard a new century, new technologies and you need to keep up with the times. but you don’t have to drop off the shield that the Russian army is not deployed in the Sahara desert, where you need to use lightweight shoes. Shaigu didn’t offer anything new. There were always boots in the Navy, they also wore Central Asia in boots, the full dress uniform of the Soviet army was also sewn under boots and boots. The question is whether the shoe and hosiery industry in Russia will be able to organize the production of army shoes and naskov appropriate quality standards of the army and whether it will go along the path of cheapening its products, which later negatively affect the defense of the Russian army.
    In the meantime, there’s no answer to this question, let's not reinvent the wheel, but just upgrade it a bit and leave everything as it is with boots and footcloths for field conditions on the plain, berets (with appropriate equipment and soles) for mountain conditions, lightweight shoes for areas with hot and dry climate). It will be both inexpensive for the taxpayer and direct benefit to the state itself.
  • jayich
    jayich 25 July 2013 18: 39
    +2
    Whoever would like to tell me that the berets with a footcloth liked to wear a pair of boots, not ice, but the footcloth is better in half, at the place of constant deployment it is possible to drive in socks and then in the summer, and in the winter a couple of footcloths and nishtyak (but felt boots in winter better) as they say on fishlessness and fish cancer.
  • mithridate
    mithridate 6 September 2013 18: 10
    0
    footcloths and boots - for mass armies. Socks and boots for special forces and for small armies, for good shoes are expensive