Why is the "middle class" called on the barricades

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Recently, in the so-called. publications appeared in the liberal media, the essence of which comes down to accusing the Russian middle class of being insufficiently radical and not ready to make revolutions. Here, under the eloquent headline "Contrary to trends"The author writes that while in the whole world the middle class is entering the square to overthrow dictators, the Russian" disgruntled townspeople "do not do that:" The almost complete absence of mentions of Russia in numerous publications of reports and articles on today's global uprising of the middle class and trend predictions can be explained by the fact that either the researchers do not see any middle class in our country, or they consider it just sleeping. ”

The author shames the target audience - here, they say, corruption, and alienation from the ruling political elite, and the “clan-capitalist” regime, in which economic opportunities largely depend on political connections, and “voiced already intentions to cancel the flat scale” (which supposedly lead to the destruction of the middle class - despite the fact that in all European countries, where the middle class and the truth lived until recently in a socially-oriented state, the scale is sharply progressive, which is considered the key to prosperity and social guarantees) - in a word, all the conditions are available, but there is still no Tahrir Square on Manezhnaya. “But so far the threat of a real drop in the incomes of the middle class has not become fatal, and corruption, alienation from elites, and the like do not cause any special allergies. In a word, the Russian middle class can afford to continue a political dream, ”this author appeals to them with reproach.

But the apotheosis was, undoubtedly, the interview of Aleksey Navalny to the Afisha magazine, which will be released on July 26, but has already been published on the Internet. Under the heading "Guys, you made it so that I'm alone." Yury Saprykin, chief editor of Afisha, who is arguing on behalf of ordinary hipsters, is talking to Navalny. And he says things are very interesting.

That for people dissatisfied with power is often a closer position “step aside”, rather than an active revolutionary struggle: “It’s as if I owe something to people who are imprisoned, or even my conscience, and I haven’t done so.” That, in principle, even in power, there seems to be officials who do something useful for the urban infrastructure. That there are people who simply are not up to the revolution: “Burgers and shops are a very narrow layer of our facebook friends. They can really choose - to engage in shops or to engage in politics. But behind them there is a giant layer of people who are mired in everyday problems, who earn their bread with great difficulty. And when, suddenly having reached out to him, we yell: “Guys, what are you doing there garbage? Well, quickly print a newspaper ", it does not cause them anything but irritation." And the main thing - asks Navalny about responsibility. “Because we went to the Swamp and came again, several dozen people are now rolling for a long time. Here one percent looks at it and thinks: “But exactly the next time you need to go to court? And will not be worse? Not to me worse, but to the one who is in court. ” And that some even prefer to emigrate if they don’t like everything at all.

Bulk responds to this in the sense that everyone is a coward. “What have you got your hands down? Where are you, show me the weights on your legs? Where are your shackles? ”“ No one has the right to say now: “I have such a bad life, I have three children, I take care of my grandmothers, so I don’t care about politics.” “The typical cowardice that everyone is trying to wrap into the design of some rational reflection on utility or harm,” “to say that everyone who goes to the rally is in danger, not. We came up with some kind of nonsense: we will all be beaten and imprisoned. Kill and plant all impossible. " And calls feasible to participate.

About the "kill and put", by the way, I want to make just such a remark. Recently, Forbes magazine columnist Mark Adomanis wrote an article “Forgotten punitive action: everyone forgot that Yeltsin shot his opponents tanks and artillery, ”in which he notes that the hysteria of the Western media about the brutality of the totalitarian Russian government looks a little strange, given that in general it is Yeltsin, not Putin shot at his people.

And Mr. Adomanis once analyzed Russian statistics of population incomes and wrote to Forbes that “the Russian middle class is not something you can think of,” and explained that you should not confuse the notion of “middle class” with a social group, rather relating to its upper, high-income part, or urban representatives of the “creative class” and bohemians, who are opposition-minded.

Statistics of Rosstat is very simple - only 1000% of the population in Russia have income per person in a family of more than 10 euros per month. Including all oligarchs, businessmen and simply well-paid specialists in megalopolises. Obviously, the real middle class in Russia, and not in Moscow, is somewhat different people. Otherwise, there are quite surprising maxims that the middle class in Russia is 10%. And the remaining 90% are recorded as poor, while more than half of them live far from poverty. Having an income from 500 to 1000 euros per person in the family, which allows in the regions to lead, if not elegant, but quite ordinary philistine life, with shopping in supermarkets, vacations and even a car. And those in Russia are not 10% at all, but 40%.

And, as shown by opinion polls in the regions, the population is more concerned with economic instability, poverty, rising prices, and housing and utilities problems. Naturally, corruption. But not the idea of ​​political protests. This, for example, is mentioned even in the recent report of the Center for Strategic Research to the Civil Initiatives Committee, not loyal to the authorities - yes, people are ready in the regions for protest actions - but for economic reasons. As events of the last weeks have shown, also by ethnic ones. The report says the growth in demand for democracy in the regions. But what is meant by this?

To understand, you can pay attention to another recently published report - the Institute of Sociology of the Russian Academy of Sciences presented the most extensive study of poverty in Russia in the last 20 years. There are many poor people - a quarter of the population. These people consider modern Russia to be unjust, divided into rich and poor, those who have nothing, and those who can do anything.

At the same time, this is what the authors of the study say about the attitude of the poor towards the authorities: “With all the urgency of the experiences, Russians, balancing on the edge of poverty, do not express a desire to change something by their efforts“ to the ground, and then ... ”. They crave not change, but stability (almost three-quarters of them said so - 71%). There are even fewer supporters of change among the poor than the national average. ” “The main thing that poor Russians want is for the state to base its policy on the principle of“ common good ”, so that people have equal chances and opportunities, and“ social elevators ”will not get stuck between floors.” “Russians trust the president of the country, although they express quite a few critical comments to the authorities - especially about corruption and the work of law enforcement agencies. But even among the poor, 63% support the current government, although they assess the situation in the economy and the social sphere with a minus sign. ”

The conclusion here is very simple. The real middle class and not rich Russians really make a request for change - they are waiting for the authorities to tackle pressing issues. Even in a wealthy middle-class megalopolis that does not love power, there is no desire to take part in radical protest rallies, when it is not ribbons that are supposed to be, but fights with the police, blood, arrests and other attributes of real, but not facebook revolutions. Although this social group is not very nice for conservative patriots, it is not necessary to demonize it either. Not loving power, criticizing it, supporting liberal parties, advocating for their values ​​or even emigrating, since it’s absolutely unbearable to continue living here - anyone has a right to do so.

But this, as we see, for those who “blame” citizens for not being ready to go to the barricades, is not enough. There is little criticism, little intellectual discontent, and even peaceful rallies too little. Only irrational hatred is needed. Which they will warm up by any means in society so that, with all the mantras about peaceful protest - if you are lucky - transform it into real violence. However, this is not at all a new method, and not at all Navalny, and not even Gene Sharp invented it. Walter Lippmann, the propaganda and PR grandfather, wrote back in 1927: “You need to influence the crowd, reinforcing your feelings. Narrow down the choice to several options. Separate ideas from emotional symbols. ”

In a word, “Vote with your heart!”. 2.0 version ...

PS Viktor Marakhovsky

I would like to add a few words to what my colleague said. We have repeatedly written that by itself the concept of "middle class" has no independent content - that is, in different countries at different times can mean anything. From "those who have property, education and savings" to "those who have a roof over their heads, daily food and work." And even "those who use the most modern gadgets and are aware of the main trends." That is, the “middle class” is a vagrant trademark, pasted either spontaneously or arbitrarily onto different groups of citizens.

It is because of its vagueness and vagueness that the “middle class” seems to be in such persistent demand from various political consultants. To manage a real social group that really exists and has common interests can only be within the narrow confines of these very interests: such a group inevitably realizes what it needs. And, as a result, any “recruitment” of political technologists does not affect it.

The creation of a social simulacrum group, made from scratch on a knee, allows you to organize something like a pseudo-religious community: its members will believe that they belong to a special circle, simply by accepting a number of dogmas. Accordingly, it will be possible to impose "class interests" on them without encountering special resistance - if a person agrees to consider himself part of a community that does not exist in reality, then he will not be aware of a common interest, but it will not be known by hearsay.

The fact that in Russia this simulation is not going well yet, says that the majority of citizens still prefer to solve their problems and tasks in reality. Anyway, bye.
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  1. +8
    23 July 2013 15: 46
    exh useless people we rebel bad bida pichal.
    1. +13
      23 July 2013 16: 36
      Quote: leon-iv
      exh useless people we rebel bad bida pichal

      Ну laughing It is necessary that he went on strike: he didn’t work, blocked the tracks with banners, threw corps of police stations at Molotov’s cocktails, so that the crowds would walk and crush the Caucasians (inciting ethnic hatred), so that they would drop into the administration and kill everyone. And a diverse crowd threw themselves on shields and batons ... Everything on the altar of freedom and social justice ...
      Here what for it is necessary? The opposition should be in order for the government to correct, to bring benefit to society, so to speak. Citizens are oppositionists, come up with projects, create new models ... In general, work, not agitate the crowd.
      1. yak69
        +27
        23 July 2013 17: 31
        It is not clear to me what kind of middle class does the author broadcast? Is there a middle class in Russia ?! Show where he is, how he looks, how many of his number ?!
        The vast majority of citizens are below the poverty line! The rest, also a huge part, just survives - from penny to penny. In the world (Western, "civilized"), it is generally accepted that if more than half of the salary of citizens goes to food, taxes, payments, transport, then this citizen will no longer be able to exist and develop normally, because he has no money left to restore his health, rest (travel, travel), education (books, theaters, courses). That is, it is doomed to degradation!
        In our country, the income structure is approximately the same: 0.5% oligarchs, 2% rich people, about 3% whose income is above 100 tr. per month, about 4% from 80 to 100 tr, the remaining 90% is that same large segment of the population whose incomes do not exceed 20-50 tr per month. And this is actually an optimistic picture.
        And this is a very crushed layer of the population, but if it already begins to murmur and its murmur is heard louder, then soon it will become no joke!
        I would really not want a "Russian revolt", because it is a blind rage sweeping away everything in its path and looking for an object to take out the accumulated humiliation and suffering from injustice. But doesn't the authorities see this ?! Does not understand?! When alone, publicly and brazenly spit on the law, stealing BILLIONS! Others cannot catch their breath from constantly oppressive financial problems.
        Is this blinding from Kremlin luxury, country residences or from a narrow mind ?! Or maybe there are other reasons, deeper and more insidious? ....
        1. +4
          23 July 2013 17: 35
          Everything is written correctly. Do not add, do not decrease.
          "Ivy". good drinks
        2. S_mirnov
          +5
          23 July 2013 18: 59
          Here it is very well said about the middle class, look, do not be lazy.
          http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1d4AEY2RnrA
        3. +6
          23 July 2013 19: 57
          hi
          Of course, I'm a colleague, I apologize.
          But, it's summer now, go to the airport, railway station and see how many and where "poor" people go to rest.
          Yes, and statistics of travel agencies you can ask.
          Yes, and I myself recently vacationed in Turkey, so I will tell you a secret, Antalya Airport made an indelible impression on me with the amount of traveling people.
          So guess citizens, what nationality was there the most?
          1. +3
            23 July 2013 20: 29
            I spend 20 years in Feodosia, I bought myself an apartment there 5 minutes from the sea and I’m not worried, the children have already grown up there, we don’t need a Turkish coast, I love my coast. Although the excursion wandered around his youth around the world in search of new sensations.
            1. 0
              23 July 2013 20: 35
              Colleague hi believe me, I am very happy for you ...
          2. S_mirnov
            +5
            23 July 2013 21: 44
            "So guess, citizens, what nationality was there the most?" - Muscovites, definitely! laughing
            1. +2
              23 July 2013 21: 55
              Quote: S_mirnov
              - Muscovites, definitely!

              Yes, the truth is. From the provinces rod in droves. Even here in the province, a trip abroad to rest is considered commonplace. Only the lazy did not buy a wheelbarrow. Here are the apartments, yes, the price is trouble. But the standard of living is acceptable, wedding after wedding, the birth rate has increased ... In short, see you with your revolution and abrupt changes.
              1. S_mirnov
                +2
                23 July 2013 23: 54
                “Even here in the provinces, traveling abroad is considered commonplace.” - that's good, your province is cool.
                "Only the lazy didn't buy the car" - yes, exactly. Now we stand in traffic jams (we forgot to expand the roads).
                "Here are the apartments, yes, the prices are a problem." - you can take a mortgage and feed the bank!
                "But the standard of living is acceptable, wedding after wedding, the birth rate has increased ..." - so there is still something to sell in the country, not all machines have been sold from the USSR, minerals, remnants of military technology.
                "In short, nafig you with your revolution and drastic changes." - so it’s not me, it’s the revolution itself will come to you, only the later - the bloodier it will be. The Bad Boy's crate of cookies and a jar of jam runs out quickly, with his appetites. And you have to sell someone again!
                1. 0
                  24 July 2013 03: 35
                  Quote: S_mirnov
                  that's good, you have a cool province.

                  It’s an ordinary average province, just like you are whining about us being robbed and we need a revolution (you want it all like that, not working), but here you have to work. There is a flurry of work, but all the same they are rushing about: "The bosses there are moronic, they could pay more, there the work is difficult, in short, death to the Jews ..."
                  Quote: S_mirnov
                  Yes exactly. Now we are standing in traffic jams (we forgot to expand the roads).

                  You just need to settle more or less evenly across the country, and not rub yourself into large cities in search of grabbing money and hanging out.
                  Quote: S_mirnov
                  you can take a mortgage and feed the bank

                  Here you are right, nobody wants smile
                  Quote: S_mirnov
                  so there is still something to sell in the country, from the USSR not all machines were sold, minerals, the remains of military technology

                  Again superficial judgment. There is work, our goods appear on the shelves, although for now they are food, but they are bought well. And frets ride. And UAZ. The forest now leaves only on the board, with the exception of rotten birch for firewood. Oil companies begin to dictate their rules in the European market (it’s a pity that there are few of them, the competition is weak in our country) We sell outdated military technologies, thereby developing new ones. But they write poorly about them and not all (and do it right)
                  Quote: S_mirnov
                  A box of biscuits and a jar of jam at the Boy bad ends quickly, with his appetites. And you have to sell someone again!

                  And in Russia there has always been and will be something to sell, the main thing is to agree on a price, which Putin did at one time, slightly twisting the rake arms to our European partners (few people noticed this) There is money in the treasury, and not small ones, but littering them as instructed near internet hamsters no one will be.
            2. 0
              23 July 2013 22: 21
              "Moskvich" is such a straight-handed nationality, as MOGOL sounds, pleasantly and hard.
          3. fokino1980
            0
            24 July 2013 10: 54
            Ukrainians !!!! laughing
        4. -1
          23 July 2013 20: 42
          Quote: yak69
          the remaining 90% is that same large segment of the population whose incomes do not exceed 20-50 TR per month.


          Income in 50000 rubles, or 2000 dollars - is very weak even in the USA. So there is no need to raise your hands to the sky and look for the answer to the pathetic questions.

          Quote: yak69
          Or maybe there are other reasons, deeper and more insidious? ....


          Read Berdyaev, he wrote everything 100 years ago. Indeed, the reasons are different, deeper.

          And if you want a revolution, well, that’s possible. Which one did you like more over the past 25 years:
          1. According to Gorbachev
          2. According to yeltsin
          3. According to Chubais
          4. According to Gaidar
          5. According to Kirenko.

          The answer can be written simply in numbers.
          1. yak69
            +4
            24 July 2013 00: 10
            Quote: Botanologist
            Income of 50000 rubles, or $ 2000

            I deliberately increased the numbers so as not to exaggerate. In fact, I know a lot of regions where people work for 6-12 tr. per month. And there are so many!
            Quote: Botanologist
            And if you want a revolution,

            Why did you decide that I want a revolution ?! I do not want revolutions and riots, I am for normal development, but I see something else. I see how the atmosphere is heating up, the "perturbation substance" is approaching the critical mass after which the explosion.
            Maybe you don’t see this, but I can clearly see. And God forbid that I make a mistake. I repeat, I do not want riots, but all the prerequisites are there - the contradictions are exacerbated from all sides.
            There is no time to decrypt, and I don’t feel like it (to be honest, I’m tired of repeating the obvious). Do you think that everything is good and wonderful and life is getting better, and Putin is leading the country in the right direction? Then fine and wonderful. Live with this confidence, God grant you all blessings! I will be sincerely glad if the citizens of our country are satisfied, well-fed and calm.
            Just, just in case, put aside my words in a secluded corner of your memory, so that later, when all complacency suddenly turns into a dupa, you do not say: "Wow, but I did not expect this!"

            Once again, I DO NOT WANT REVOLUTIONS AND Riots, but the situation is alarming.
            Accept this as information for thought.
        5. 0
          23 July 2013 21: 49
          Quote: yak69
          It is not clear to me what kind of middle class does the author broadcast?

          These are hard workers.
          Quote: yak69
          the remaining 90% is that same large segment of the population whose incomes do not exceed 20-50 TR per month

          Well, hell knows where to go to rest so that there is less Russian middle class.
          Quote: yak69
          And others cannot take a breath from constantly depressing financial problems.
          And they go sadly, suffering from a terrible hangover, to work. recourse
        6. +1
          23 July 2013 22: 12
          Quite right: who is the middle class, where are the criteria?
          1. +4
            23 July 2013 22: 23
            12-17 here is the average. The rest can consider themselves Oligarchs.
        7. optimist
          +2
          23 July 2013 22: 56
          Quote: yak69
          I would really not want a "Russian revolt", because it is a blind rage sweeping away everything in its path and looking for an object to take out the accumulated humiliation and suffering from injustice. But doesn't the authorities see this ?! Does not understand?! When alone, publicly and brazenly spit on the law, stealing BILLIONS! Others cannot catch their breath from the constantly oppressive financial problems. Is it blinding from the Kremlin luxury, country residences, or from a dull mind ?! Or maybe there are other reasons, deeper and more insidious? ...

          Yes, Dear, the reasons are different. Power and Money - that's the worst drug! And in our country, it is further aggravated by permissiveness and impunity. Just riot for riot's sake, a job for idiots. And all these "fermentations" of the last two years are nothing more than levers of pressure from the West on the overzealous "Vovku and K *" who decided that they can do anything in this country. And the whole question is, what are the goals of this "rebellion"? Take the loot from some bandits and give it to others? And if the goals are similar to those for which our great-grandparents perished on the fronts of the Civil War, that's another matter. So as long as the people don’t pinch their ass, these people will sit on it and vote for stability. And if suddenly a specific one suddenly comes ... oops ... Remember how it all began in October St. Petersburg: in the storage sheds bread ran out for a week ...
        8. +5
          23 July 2013 23: 03
          In our country, the income structure is approximately the same: 0.5% oligarchs, 2% rich people, about 3% whose income is above 100 tr. per month, about 4% from 80 to 100 tr, the remaining 90% is that same large segment of the population whose incomes do not exceed 20-50 tr per month.

          Excuse me, but to whom are the people whose income ranges from 50 to 80 thousand? Something about them, I have not found your statistics. In your opinion, there are either very rich or very poor in Russia. But here I am neither myself, nor my family, neither one nor the other. I am now retired and with a new "civil" salary, not referring myself to either the poor or the rich, I can safely attribute the income of my family to the middle class. I'm just not used to rushing to extremes and reasoning realistically by my own example.
          As for the "barricades" and various kinds of protests. Again, I will use my own example. I am satisfied with my income and that of my family as a whole. So, why and for what purpose should I climb the barricades? I just live, work and raise my children. Logically, who will go to the barricades? A person who has not achieved and has not achieved anything significant in his life, who has not built any foundation for himself and his family, will go there. This is the kind of person who will hait Putin, Medvedev (Ivanov, Petrov, Sidorov ... if they were now in the place of Putin, Medvedev ...), this is the kind of person who has nothing, and therefore has nothing to lose but his chains , will go to the barricades, throw Molotov cocktails, stones at the police, then call himself a political prisoner, etc.
          Why am I all about this: the middle class in Russia and in developed countries is a completely different category of people brought up and raised on different values. So with what fright should we equalize with them in stereotypes? When I was growing up, I saw that there were food coupons, what is the shortage, what is 2-3 hours to wait at minus 25 bus at the bus stop, what is living without a salary for 4-7 months and break from a penny to a penny. Then I saw a change. Drastic changes when income began to increase. Then we were able to repair the house, first buy one car, and after some time, each member of the family. We stopped saving money for boots for our wife or for some other things, we began to selectively choose food products ... I saw all this, found it in my right mind and sober memory.
          But in Western countries, the middle class (and it is almost everywhere in the majority) did not see all this: they grew up in warmth and satiety ... They do not know the comparisons of "good" and "bad". For them, "bad" is now, and the rich live "well". They all want to live richly there. They go to demonstrations in defense of homosexuals, whose rights, in their opinion, are being infringed on in one way or another ... Are we going to demonstrate for them? Shall we break the order? No. But because we, Russians, for many years have got used to thinking about other problems and have learned to prioritize these problems for ourselves.
          In short, we have something to do besides revolutions and other garbage. And Western, if they are bored, then we will not interfere)))
          1. Svarog
            0
            24 July 2013 09: 13
            Nothing, the campaign, they will soon feel ... We still, however, have a lot of work in the country, so there is no time to protest, we need to work.
            PS Slowly introducing community service for homo-evolutionists, at least something useful would be done
    2. S_mirnov
      -4
      23 July 2013 18: 56
      "exh, bad people, we rebel badly bida pichal." Yes, they forgot how to rebel, not like in the 17th, they hanged all the oligarchs and sent foreign owners by their mothers!
      1. +5
        23 July 2013 21: 00
        Quote: S_mirnov
        Yes, forgotten how to rebel, not like in the 17th, outweighed all the oligarchs and sent foreign owners by mother!

        And how many innocent people were killed, such demagogues as zasralny, and riots arranged the same for overseas money! Yes, in their mouths they all take a nut!
      2. +1
        23 July 2013 21: 28
        Quote: S_mirnov
        not that in 17, they outweighed all the oligarchs and sent foreign owners by mother!

        Never wondered by what means was that revolution? After World War I, the Russian Empire did not have time to fuck anything from that war. But yeah, industrialists have decided everything.
        1. S_mirnov
          +3
          23 July 2013 21: 47
          All all enterprises and land were nationalized, which is why the foreign capitalists were very offended and sent expeditionary forces to us (the intervention is called). But all the land bought up by foreigners and factories returned to the Russians!
          1. -1
            23 July 2013 22: 04
            Quote: S_mirnov
            But all the land bought up by foreigners and factories returned to the Russians!

            What nafig factories? The civil war threw the country back for 20 years, at the beginning of World War II the figs were shown to Germans and not fire. If the territory was small, then we would be dared as kittens.
            1. +5
              23 July 2013 22: 24
              My friend at 20 you are disingenuous, the Middle Ages and mass hunger, 1500 enterprises from 0 from Taniya bought.
        2. +5
          23 July 2013 23: 00
          Quote Alexej
          Never wondered by what means was that revolution? After World War I, the Russian Empire did not have time to fuck anything from that war. But yeah, industrialists have decided everything.


          I answerhias I can and I understand -
          The Social Democrats (b) first in London (!) For the money of “simple” English Samaritans organize their party (2 congress of the RSDLP - 17 (30) of July - 10 (23) of August 1903), and then they supported the defeat of Russia for the next tranches in the Russo-Japanese War and organized revolutionary terrorism in the country, killing and maiming from 1901 to 1911 a year about 17 thousand people (of which 9 thousand during the revolution 1905 — 1907, in 1907, on average, up to 18 people died every day on average) And then, after a short break, according to the plan of Alexander Lvovich Parvus (Israel Lazarevich Gelfand) according to the “Memorial of Dr. Gelfand”, for the money of the German (and not only ...) government, comrade the Bolsheviks organized the October Revolution, smoothly flowing into the fratricidal Civil War. Thus having arranged, “the day before the Victory,” the defeat of the country in the First World War and erased from the memory of the people 5 million dead Russian soldiers.
          Ditching the color of the nation in the Civil War - more than 10 million man died and died during epidemics, more than 4 million people became disabled and more than 2 million people emigrated to other countries. And, destroying the country "to the ground" - was lost more than a quarter national wealth, national income declined in 2,75 times Compared to 1917, the gross output of small industry decreased up to 43% pre-war level, gross grain harvest up to 67%, metal products were 7% from the level of 1913, the production of pig iron is a little more than 2%, due to lack of fuel and raw materials, most enterprises stood idle, railways performed no more 12% 1913 traffic volume, practically mail and communication did not work - Communists, with a destroyed management system, but "with a burning eye" led the people "towards a brighter future", which they decided to build it themselves, the people, with their hands.
          And since they didn’t promise to feed on the way, then on the way they “lost” from hunger 5 млн. in 1920-21 and more than 7 million people in 1932-33 Due to the amateurism of the ruling stratum of the Bolshevik party and the Soviet state, consisting of people who did not have experience in real economic activity, the quality of managerial decisions was extremely low, and the concentration in the hands of the state of management of all sectors of the economy contributed to the swelling of the apparatus and the growth of bureaucracy. In addition, along with disinterested adherents of the Bolshevik idea, there were many careerists and even “socially close” criminals in the government.
          1. +2
            23 July 2013 23: 04
            The expulsion of representatives of the opposition Bolshevik parties from power contributed to the lack of control of leaders who were convinced that “everything is permitted to them,” “the end justifies the means,” or else “why did they shed blood ?!” In short, there were many foremen, and few professional builders, because the number of workers decreased 6 – 7 timesand since "the salvation of the drowning people is the work of the drowning people themselves" - then, "Your word, Comrade Mauser!" And the purifying terror broke out! “May the storm strike harder!” As a result more than 1 million 700 thousand the man is arrested and not less than 725 thousand of them were shot during the Great Terror of 1937 – 1938, when the Bolshevik state daily killed an average of a thousand (!) of its citizens. Reaching, finally, through incredible efforts and sacrifices through 17 years to the 40-th year of indicators of the year of the 13-th imperial Russia the country was on the verge of war, if not with the Anglo-French coalition, then with the countries of the central axis, for sure. Due to illiterate command and control of the Army and repressions before the war, most of the 28 million people who died were in the first period of World War II, and this, not counting the deportees and deportees... I will not dwell on a further excursion into the history of the country sold by its apologists for green candy wrappers overseas funds.
            And ask a question, why and who needed all this? If after 74 of the year we were back in ... well, in the same place, like the 17 and 21-23 years?
            And no matter what, some revolutionaries still get hurt, damn it. History does not teach anything ...
            1. yak69
              0
              24 July 2013 17: 01
              Quote: Apologet.Ru
              And I ask the question, why and who needed all this? If after 74 of the year we were back in ... well, in the same place, like the 17 and 21-23 years?

              Yes, as there was no industrialization in the shortest possible time, and no breakthrough in science and technology! Well, this Soviet power did nothing for 74 years! Only people ruined and starved!
              This is all according to your liberal version, dear.
              Complete mediocrity and defeat. And they won the war by cap-slaughter. And the Germans are fools that such mediocre leaders as Stalin, Zhukov, etc. lost the war outright!
              You, probably, have taken information from pigyidze or from mlechin!
              What can I tell you, gentlemen liberals? ..
              Give time to judge our points of view. We all have not so much left.

              And, please, do not call me a revolutionary. I am not one of them. Although, I know for sure that the Revolution of 17 years is more than just ideas of people. Here was God's providence. Another question is who took advantage of this and how.
              And for the rest, tolerate another year or two (from strength) and, if we still have time and health at that moment, we will discuss my assumptions.
              I will be glad, after a couple of years, to admit that I was mistaken.
              hi
              1. 0
                24 July 2013 21: 46
                Quote: yak69
                The 17 revolution of the year is more than just the ideas of people. Here was God's providence. Another question is who took advantage of this and how.


                Yak, read at least a couple of primers on the topic of revolution. "Providence...". It's time for you to go to Comrade Navalny, another seer of God. Only liberal, but we're not used to it, are we?
                1. yak69
                  0
                  25 July 2013 12: 14
                  Quote: Botanologist
                  It’s time for Comrade Navalny, another visionary of God. Only liberal, but we don’t get used to it, right?

                  Bulk, it is more likely your comrade, and people like him are not comrades at all! Regarding the "blind seers", time will judge us all very soon.
                  But, your speeches about the Revolution, they completely coincide in tone and accusatory orientation with the songs of the liberals. Do you take all this information from piginze and mlechin? Well, admit, open the source, an expert on literacy and historical truth. Where do you get this rotten water? In which liberal swamp?
            2. +1
              26 July 2013 13: 14
              Quote: Apologet.Ru
              , pancake. History does not teach anything ...

              For history to teach, it must be studied, and not according to the Mlechin-Svanidze-Radzin ...
          2. +1
            24 July 2013 03: 47
            Plus you. I know, I know. I revolutionary wanted food for thought. And history teaches us that it never teaches anyone. wink
            1. +1
              24 July 2013 21: 49
              Quote: Alexej
              And history teaches us that it never teaches anyone


              The story is repeated three times - the first time as a farce, and two more times for dumb people.
      3. fokino1980
        0
        24 July 2013 10: 58
        Not comrade "S_mirnov (2)" Calm down the bloodthirsty thief! "The country doesn't need revolutions !!!! Stop writing crap! am
  2. +9
    23 July 2013 15: 56
    Bulk answers this in the sense that everyone is cowards. “That your hands dropped?” Where do you show me kettlebells? Where are your shackles? ”

    The only hero ... Straight, the navel of the earth. And how GDP is afraid of him ... laughing
    1. +2
      23 July 2013 17: 53
      Frankly speaking, what is happening with Navalny reminds me of a famous scene where:
      Brick-Bulk
      Zheglov-Putin
      Sharapov, the people watching the situation with his landing.

      And most for Putin-Zheglov (watch the first three minutes):


      As in the situation with Khodorkovsky.
    2. AVV
      +2
      23 July 2013 20: 25
      This provocateur Navalny, and not be the Mayor, but the elder of the cell, and he doesn’t want to do anything more! Then, the next list of Navalny will appear !!! But whoever is not eager for this Democratic Paradise, there’s nothing to be afraid of, but like Gudkov-death !!!
  3. +16
    23 July 2013 16: 01
    The Russian people have built-in "fuses" We do not stray into herds, we do not attack in a flock ...
    if we are going to defend our homeland, then there will be no options to play with us ....
    By the way .. This will happen pretty soon ...
    And the "trigger" will be liberals))) privatizers, officials and policemen (renamed for a reason))
    and they will get theirs ...
    my ...
  4. Stealth
    +7
    23 July 2013 16: 04
    In Russia, and everywhere, only those who always work and develop will live happily. Laziness goes away and loves his family and homeland. Need less to listen to all the talkers.
    1. +10
      23 July 2013 18: 00
      Quote: Stelth
      In Russia, and everywhere, only those who always work will live happily

      If health will remain by then.
    2. oleg_2003
      +2
      24 July 2013 08: 06
      "We do not live as we work, but as we are controlled" VP of the USSR
      I am also against Navalny, but I need to free myself from foreign invaders.
  5. +21
    23 July 2013 16: 12
    In Russia in the twentieth century there were two three revolutions - two in 17 and one (liberal) in 91. And after all three it only got worse. And rogues and those who initially stirred up the revolution won. The people understood everything, and the people should clearly state to Mr. Navalny where he should go with his revolutionary romance. Let the Udaltsians and others follow there. It is already clear who needs these revolutions, who finances them through Messrs. Targamadze and others.
    Enough of revolutions. Instead, you just need not to tire of putting pressure on the authorities, forming a public request for these or other changes and this or that policy. The authorities react quite sensitively - my observations confirm this. If something causes a public outcry, the authorities react very quickly - they won’t react, they will get relaps of the marsh, but they don’t want to. I really liked how the mayor of one of the districts of Moscow flew for the inappropriate behavior of his wife and himself. To push and press on the authorities with such resonances - improvements will be benefits, the authorities will not go anywhere. And the revolution ... How much can you step on the same rake? Breaking - not building, and its own history, and the latest stories of Libya and Egypt are proof of this - revolutionaries - count! am
    1. +4
      23 July 2013 16: 34
      Quote: aksakal
      In Russia in the twentieth century there were two three revolutions - two in 17 and one (liberal) in 91. And after all three it only got worse. And rogues and those who initially stirred up the revolution won. The people understood everything, and the people should clearly state to Mr. Navalny where he should go with his revolutionary romance. Let the Udaltsians and others follow there. It is already clear who needs these revolutions, who finances them through Messrs. Targamadze and others.
      Enough of revolutions. Instead, you just need not to tire of putting pressure on the authorities, forming a public request for these or other changes and this or that policy. The authorities react quite sensitively - my observations confirm this. If something causes a public outcry, the authorities react very quickly - they won’t react, they will get relaps of the marsh, but they don’t want to. I really liked how the mayor of one of the districts of Moscow flew for the inappropriate behavior of his wife and himself. To push and press on the authorities with such resonances - improvements will be benefits, the authorities will not go anywhere. And the revolution ... How much can you step on the same rake? Breaking - not building, and its own history, and the latest stories of Libya and Egypt are proof of this - revolutionaries - count! am

      So this is a calculation, a revolution. After revolutions, there is always a mess, lowering the economy, living standards, life expectancy and other things. And one of the main things is that in a geopolitical country, a country that has survived a shock will become a whipping and urging boy for a long time. That’s what the West needs ... From here draw conclusions, who benefits from the liberal swamp ...
      1. +1
        23 July 2013 16: 43
        + Add
        What will need to lead your people to the trough.
        1. +3
          23 July 2013 16: 51
          Quote: leon-iv
          What will need to lead your people to the trough.

          This is the main thing in almost any revolution now. smile
    2. +8
      23 July 2013 19: 46
      hi
      And I, most of all in this story, amaze Muscovites.
      At first, they, with selfless stupidity, oppose the Civil Code emergency for the collapse of the Union.
      Then they act as funny extras for the Western media during the execution of the White House tanks, supporting Benya Yeltsin.
      Then, with the same childlike spontaneity, they oppose him, accusing him of all mortal sins.
      Now, with the same self-denial and sacrifice in their eyes, they are opposing Putin, the Russian government and parliament.
      But p ... (forgive me my colleagues for my French) is always easier than "tossing and dropping" by pulling the country out of the liberal and d. Democratic crap paid by the State Department ...
      1. +4
        23 July 2013 19: 50
        Dear word "Moskvich" does not mean 12 million people. without migrants, in any city with a population of 300000 or more, you can find 10000 individuals without any values ​​and moral principles, or simply hungry, handing out flags in their hands and marching 100 grams of porridge each, using the camera and engaged media competently to create the impression that there is a march million "
        If you knew who and how protected the USSR from collapse in Moscow, what kind of people they were, you would never have written such nonsense.
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          1. +3
            23 July 2013 20: 21
            "dashing 90" Colleague, we were thrown out of work on the street, who did not know how to buy cards and how to feed our children, we still knew what it would turn out to be, we defended the USSR in 91 and 93, but then there was not 1 bulk, and not the NTV channel , the people were driven to madness by hunger, hopelessness, and complete uncertainty, and even in this situation we were shot with tanks, tagged as lepers, and hounded as enemies of democracy, and I can tell you that if there were fewer of us than those who decided to climb this In a wave we would have simply been killed as they smoke, because according to the stupid Soviet habit, we are accustomed to legality and not being shot out of tanks. I understand the still young "PRostiLyudka" solzhenets and other figures broadcasting from the stands, the distribution of food rations to an LGBT activist (we did not know who they were then))) A bunch of anarchists, a young Zhirik, makashov, and others.
            but the term "Dashing" is already a colleague of 95-2000 refers to theft on the corpse of the state.
        2. 0
          23 July 2013 20: 19
          Quote tilovaykrisa
          create the impression that the "March of Millions" is underway


          Agree hi, colleague, but not in the "dashing 90s" ...

          And similar videos are "crammed" in You Tube? want more? And this, by the way, is documentary filming, i.e. - fact ...

          Quote tilovaykrisa
          If you knew who and how defended the USSR from collapse in Moscow, what kind of people they were, you would never have written nonsense.

          Nonsense they write on walls and fences, and I express my opinion (how do you know what facts I have on the issue under discussion ?!). If you don’t know how to listen / read this on this site, then I think you should not participate in a public discussion of news ...
          1. serge
            +4
            23 July 2013 21: 54
            Yes, there was no fun on the faces of Muscovites when in 1993 the White House was shot. I was there and saw, there was not a drop of blood in their faces, deathly silence, as if they were leading people to be shot. And Muscovites defended this same White House, and then they were shot in batches at the adjacent stadium Krasnaya Presnya (not the deputies from the White House, ordinary people who foolishly came there and who were bred like rabbits). And a narrow stratum of the population comes out to demonstrate against Putin, moreover, one and a half of Jewish nationality, mainly paid for with Western money; and ten times more people came to the demonstration for Putin, and for nothing. No need to summarize the entire population of Moscow and fifty thousand (and in Moscow about 15 million people) paid by the enemies of the bastard, which stirs up the water and riots.
            1. +2
              23 July 2013 22: 26
              And here’s my friend’s plus, for whoever saw this will never want any trouble.
            2. 0
              23 July 2013 22: 40
              Yes, there was no fun on the faces of Muscovites when the White House was shot in 1993.

              Of course, I completely agree with you, colleague hi that in this disheartened crowd of "builders of a new Russia" led by the "foreman" there were also Muscovites who were normal by today's standards, but ... having paid attention to the footage from 8 minutes 07 seconds, I even heard applause, and after listening to the comments of the "elite" the beau monde , I just belay

              And this, by the way, is documentary shots, and this is a fact ...
  6. +5
    23 July 2013 16: 14
    To be honest, I also first believed this figure. Even, like a goof, the latter fell for his "Rospil" and transferred the money. But after his alleged activities about which he reported there, I realized that pepper is no better than those whom he criticizes.
    Then he corresponded with curators from the United States, sharing grandmothers from Belykh (another beacon of shit democracy) after seizing the distillery factory, Kirovles, and claims from an Italian company. It turns out wherever Navalny has worked everywhere financial shoals.
    And after he was put forward as mayor by Nemtsov, Ryzhkov and other liberal guards, this type calls out nothing besides contempt.
    Just look at the people who move it, everything becomes clear ...
  7. +5
    23 July 2013 16: 14
    Because the middle class is tired of carrying parasites on the hump. And the more it becomes, the greater the request for change. First in Moscow, then regions. Definitely, this can not continue anymore.
    1. +10
      23 July 2013 16: 36
      And how tired are the people of carrying around their neck crowds of office workers who produce nothing, but receive high salaries and go to Bolotnaya.
      To cut crowds of hamsters, intermediary firms, a bunch of security organizations and everyone in the fields and factories, otherwise there is no one to work with your hands, and your head too - there are not enough engineers
      1. -5
        23 July 2013 17: 46
        A good engineer gets good money. A good welder gets good money, often more than an engineer.
        Low-skilled labor, those who work with their hands have never received and will not receive good money. For nothing.

        You probably scribble comments from the field?))
        1. +7
          23 July 2013 17: 54
          Quote: Sergey_K
          A good engineer gets good money. A good welder gets good money, often more than an engineer.

          Good engineers are now in ... opera, and a good welder now gets less than a Tajik merchandiser. There was a reassessment of values. Can't you see that? By the way, where can you find good welders now? In our office, we decided to shake things up. Of the fifty people, only three of the samples passed. True, I will make a reservation, it was a question of reducing welded, and so - the routes are cooked from the first presentation (the bulk of the "oldies"
          1. -1
            23 July 2013 19: 21
            Not true. From start to finish. As always, they wanted to pay less and that a good employee? If you want a good welder, pay a good salary.
            1. +11
              23 July 2013 21: 25
              Quote: Sergey_K
              Not true. From start to finish. As always, they wanted to pay less and that a good employee? If you want a good welder, pay a good salary.
              I have no sense in deceiving you, I just state the facts, focusing on my office. The "thug" girl, after graduation, was hired as a "public relations specialist", she gets more per month than two fitters and two welders put together from my team.
              And you are talking about demand. am
              1. 0
                23 July 2013 21: 40
                Public office?
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                2. +4
                  23 July 2013 21: 58
                  Quote: Sergey_K
                  Public office?

                  There were a state unitary enterprise, and after a raider seizure, Luzhkov became OJSC.
          2. 0
            24 July 2013 01: 49
            Quote: Garrin
            and a good welder now receives less than the Tajik merchandiser.

            My friend is engaged in metal structures. He has a good welder, gets up to 70 thousand. The problem is that you will find good hell.
  8. 0
    23 July 2013 16: 15
    Quote: leon-iv
    exh useless people we rebel bad bida pichal.

    They’re just tired already, it’s nothing good. It remains to hope for power until they bother. Domestic policy is nowhere (mainly corruption), due to foreign, in this situation, while you can vote for it.
    1. +3
      23 July 2013 16: 44
      well, Duc
      The revolution is conceived by romantics, carried out by fanatics, and the villains use their fruits
      1. +5
        23 July 2013 17: 01
        Quote: leon-iv
        well, Duc
        The revolution is conceived by romantics, carried out by fanatics, and the villains use their fruits

        Present revolutions are not conceived by romantics ...
  9. +6
    23 July 2013 16: 18
    The axiom of times is that a revolution as well as a civil war in Russia are unacceptable and dangerous for the Russian people. For they will lead to the destruction of the country.
    Axiom two - the completely corrupt and corrupt government of the Russian Federation will not lead to anything good.
    Version times - there is a legal and legal way to achieve a change of power.
    Version two - the chance to change the government in a legal way is close to zero due to the use by the authorities and their henchmen of illegal ways to resolve the issue.
    Hack and predictor Aviator - any opposition to the authorities will be presented as a "hand of the West" or the East or anyone else. The acting "oppositionists" are precisely the real agents of influence of the conditional "West". Theoretically, you can do something, but in fact it is impossible.
    Summary. The best way out of the systemic crisis of the Russian Federation is Sheremetyevo-2. One of the satirists said this a long time ago, so we consider plagiarism. But true, huh? Or does someone know a different way? Well, share it, if not sorry ...
    1. +1
      23 July 2013 16: 39
      Quote: erased
      Conclusion - any opposition to the authorities will be presented as a "hand of the West" or the East or anyone else. The acting "oppositionists" are precisely the real agents of influence of the conditional "West". Theoretically, you can do something, but in fact it is impossible.

      aksakalsaid a little higher well. It is not necessary to put pressure on the complete change of power, which will lead to some upheavals on any one, but constantly press on the authorities on each issue separately, so even faster something will change for the better and without any revolutions. And those who should do this prefer to sit quietly in the Duma, arranging demarches from time to time.
      When people start blocking roads or something like that for some reason, the reaction of the authorities takes place immediately. It’s just that as a result of these actions, changes are taking place on the ground, if the scale of such actions is larger and the changes will be more significant. Moreover, there are usually no victims.
    2. -2
      23 July 2013 23: 27
      Quote: erased
      Conclusion - any opposition to the authorities will be presented as the "hand of the West" or the East or anyone else.

      Not represented, but there is this
      Quote: erased
      The axiom of times is that a revolution as well as a civil war in Russia are unacceptable and dangerous for the Russian people. For they will lead to the destruction of the country.


      Quote: erased
      Axiom two - the completely corrupt and corrupt government of the Russian Federation will not lead to anything good.

      Misconception, to whom is it sold? Power and power is its own power.
      Quote: erased
      Total. The best way out of the systemic crisis of the Russian Federation is Sheremetyevo-2.

      If you decide that this is the best solution, you better use it because you are no longer you.
      Quote: erased
      Or does someone know a different way?

      Yes, it is not the power that needs to be changed, but the verification, pointing and fighting with criticism.
      1. +3
        24 July 2013 00: 01
        Quote: SPACE
        and check, point, and fight with criticism.

        On the drum of power, your checks, directions and criticism, if not supported by actions. What actions do you propose?
        1. -1
          24 July 2013 19: 31
          Quote: Karabin
          On the drum of power your checks, directions and criticism

          What do you mean by power? Power is thousands of people around you, power is even a postman delivering letters ... Who exactly is on the drum ...?
          You don’t like the current power and yesterday didn’t like the power either, but are you sure that tomorrow’s power will suit you, everyone? We must fight not with power, but against scum who fell into power.
          What actions to fight against power, from the beginning find the guilty, then ... a lot of options, buy the SVD, piss him off the fence ... think for yourself, decide for yourself ... and do not gabble about bad power.
          1. 0
            24 July 2013 23: 39
            Quote: SPACE
            What do you mean by power?

            The same as you. Except for the postman.
            Quote: SPACE
            You don't like today's power

            Like / dislike the wrong categories. I don’t even hate this power. Squeamishness is present, looking at lies, cunning and wild unprofessionalism where you have to do something.
            This is not my power, I did not choose it, because I don’t see the future of the country with this power. Therefore, I see no reason to criticize her and point out the flaws. Only a replacement. But you think that the government meets your needs in general, and that the shortcomings can be corrected by verification, guidance and criticism. I asked what actions you are ready to take so that your constructive instructions and criticism reach the authorities. What did you answer me? They gave advice to think and decide for yourself. Only I do not need advice to fix what I think should be replaced.
  10. +1
    23 July 2013 16: 38
    In my opinion, the author is both right and wrong at the same time ... sorry for the tautology ... Nobody has canceled the revolutionary situation, its principle "the upper classes cannot - the lower classes do not want". And excuse me, where is she in Russia? And the first may and the second want ... Liberals do not understand why nothing is happening? Yes, because everything that the liberal media talk about does not have a mass character and is often a lie ... Indeed, the gap is large - between the truth according to the "zombie" and real life ... And besides ... who are they? ... all these fighters for you and me ... Where are they from and how close to the people? The origins of their unexpected consciousness of fighting for you and me ... Financing this struggle How do they understand our aspirations and problems? And most importantly, are they sincere fighters ... The people cannot be deceived with the old methods ...
  11. mogus
    +3
    23 July 2013 16: 40
    publications appeared, the essence of which is to accuse the Russian middle class of insufficient radicalism and unwillingness to make revolutions.
    But do we need it (revolution)?

    all over the world, the middle class enters the square to overthrow dictators, the Russian "dissatisfied citizens" do not:
    hde our dichtator?

    The author is ashamed of the target audience - that’s corruption, and alienation from the ruling political elite, and the “clan-capitalist” regime, in which economic opportunities depend largely on political ties
    and the paid opposition is the best alternative?

    Anal, Oval, Funeral - aaaaaa, woooo! Bulk! What did you want to say?
    Bulk responds to this in the sense that everyone is a coward. “What have you got your hands down? Where are you, show me the weights on your legs? Where are your shackles? ”“ No one has the right to say now: “I have such a bad life, I have three children, I take care of my grandmothers, so I don’t care about politics.” “The typical cowardice that everyone is trying to wrap into the design of some rational reflection on utility or harm,” “to say that everyone who goes to the rally is in danger, not. We came up with some kind of nonsense: we will all be beaten and imprisoned. Kill and plant all impossible. " And calls feasible to participate.
    - with such a set of welter somewhere else marks lol tongue
  12. a
    a
    +1
    23 July 2013 16: 41
    In my understanding, we have not yet formed a middle class.
    as for calls to the barricades (if I understood the author of the article correctly), then there are no calls. there are separate decisions of the authorities that cause rejection by a certain group of society. but it all started with the power itself, which behaves very stupidly. she shouldn’t be so brazenly cheating in the elections. and there would be no swamp. in our country, even if the parliament is completely oppositional, this will not interfere with the authorities in any way. the question is, why was there a city fence with 146% of voters? but our power is dumb. therefore, everything is done through .. one place .. and in the end, deservedly, gets the discontent of a certain population
  13. +5
    23 July 2013 16: 44
    The idea of ​​making a revolution at the expense of the middle class is at least stupid. All "kind of liberals" shout to the middle class - "You are not, you are smart, educated, independent! Forward to change!"
    But unlike that very "cattle", the "middle class" as a rule is really smart and educated, and therefore they are not used to stupid slogans. Moreover, the more absurd slogans, the greater the rejection of the "opposition leaders". This is clearly seen in the rallies of the "swamp" - they first gathered a lot of people, and then sharply declined.
    Now, rallies are a kind of flash mob, a reason to talk.
  14. +1
    23 July 2013 16: 45
    Navalny’s own snout to the nines, he has, in Aeroflot, there’s money, he’s got time, so he won’t fight / loung about the happy life of others laughing yeah, I contacted the amers with the others from the 5 column, so they believed him in his good intentions, in short let them all go to the forest. Whatever power is, there are always those who are not satisfied, power to change, senseless occupation, any power must grow, mature, learn, so to speak ... "Bread must be shared, well-fed" .... And as for the strikers, for me this category is stupid, it is the narrow-minded, and stupid loafers whose sheep are walked by the shepherds, such loggers ... without the right of SMS. Well, they will not go on a march of millions against Serdyukov and Co. and demand a sentence to him. They just don’t come up with such slogans, the shepherds don’t need it, this is not their goal, they don’t need a better life in Russia and their common cause unites, the Amers need the collapse of Russia, and the leaders of the 5 convoy hope to become a new government, they are also people I also want to steal, but the rams will remain rams. But it pleases that in Russia there are a lot of sober and rational people who perfectly understand what is what. So the bulk does not have any chances.
  15. +6
    23 July 2013 16: 48
    The middle class is the main pillar of statehood!
    A strong and vast middle class is the key to the unwavering state system!
    It is not for nothing that the pseudo opposition calls on the workers to the barricades - after all, this is a real striking force! Only now what for a working person needs it? So far we have not a moronic flock, but an educated society - revolutionary ideas "ala nasral struggle against dictate in the name of crap" will never provoke the masses to active actions
  16. Nitup
    +4
    23 July 2013 16: 49
    Bulk's place in prison. And if someone says that they are only planting oppositionists (who are not oppositionists at all, but the real fifth column), then literally yesterday the former governor of the Tula region was sentenced to 9,5 years of strict labor for a bribe of 40 million rubles
    1. +6
      23 July 2013 16: 58
      just yesterday, the former governor of the Tula region was sentenced to 9,5 years of strict labor for a bribe of 40 million rubles

      Terrible to say, a member of United Russia. sad

      Dedicated to Navalny's electorate ("partners") (some of us like to step on the old rake):
  17. +5
    23 July 2013 16: 49
    Under the "middle class" those who address Navalny's audience have just a well-defined group of people. These are the people who use some gadgets, form a certain group of requests when they are in the network, and their thinking is formed by a strictly defined education. That is, to be honest, this is a group of the newest mental slaves.
    Those people whom I dreamed of and who, to some extent, were formed by our compatriot, the founder of Facebook. The fruits of an "information-open society" are when brains are informationally open to manipulation of simple information means. This is the environment through which the new "masters of the world" are going to rule this world. It is enough to lightly pull the desired lever - and an impeccably trained Facebook user humbly and joyfully jumps in the given direction. The fact that in this case his country can be destroyed (as happens, for example, in Egypt) is absolutely inaccessible to the manipulated mind.
    They, the new rulers, were simply out of luck. First, I had to use the jump rope about ten years earlier than it was completely ready. We failed to cope with the economy, the trembling in greedy hands let us down ... Secondly, the brains of the main, natural opponents turned out to be much more complex than they would have liked. Yes, as it turned out, you can also confuse the Russian consciousness. Alas ... True, this is accompanied by massive personality degradation. Of course, not all Facebook sites will cut their wives to pieces. But these are weak, sluggish, amorphous people, jellyfish-like, none of them ... can you light the "flame of revolution" from them? So, the stinking exhaust of the "revolution" and that's all ... Therefore, those who have a strong will can easily suppress their pitiful speeches, and the manipulations themselves are not yet subject to. While...
  18. Smersh
    +1
    23 July 2013 16: 51
    The people are just too lazy (I wouldn’t go to rallies because I’m too lazy, or I don’t want to)
  19. +1
    23 July 2013 16: 51
    Putin needs street support
  20. PPL
    +1
    23 July 2013 16: 54
    The absence of clear criteria for assessing middle class membership leads to a significant discrepancy in the self-determination of the population on this issue.
    Let the people live in peace - without barricades and revolutions.

    Quotation from Wikipedia: The history of liberalism in Russia is largely contradictory. An influential part of society believed that in order to solve internal political problems and to overcome the economic lag behind Western countries, it was necessary to adopt their experience and carry out reforms. Due to these circumstances, during various periods, the liberal initiative was shown by the heads of state, aristocracy and intelligentsia. As most historians note, these efforts were not based on a political program and therefore often suffered from copying Western decisions without due regard for Russian realities, led to unforeseen results and discredited themselves in the eyes of society.
    In general, everything is like Chernomyrdin's: "We wanted the best, but it turned out ..."
  21. +3
    23 July 2013 16: 55
    A century without 4 years since they rebelled once, we have been unraveling everything until now all the hostility "who is white and who is red" and who is so. They play off each other. As they say, look for someone who benefits
  22. +2
    23 July 2013 17: 32
    "Here under the eloquent heading “Contrary to the trends” the author writes that while all over the world the middle class comes out to the squares to overthrow dictators, the Russian "disaffected townspeople" do not ... "

    TREND is a non-Russian word denoting a concept for manipulating an audience.
    In general, the appearance of this word in our everyday life is a disturbing symptom. This is nothing more than a chip, label, badge, the owner of which is trying to operate on the human masses.
    I remember Ksenia Sobchak, who "untimely left" us. She gave herself entirely to the trend "On the barricades, against the state, for the Freedom of Everything."
    I welcome her trend-related fate laughing
    We won’t pass any trends!
  23. +4
    23 July 2013 17: 46
    Yes, there is no "middle class" in Russia and there is no need to fool people with various petty-bourgeois foreign theories ... There are rich, poor and homeless people, of whom for some reason there are more than in Soviet times ...
  24. +6
    23 July 2013 18: 17
    What is the article about, what is the middle class? What a revolution? We cannot even organize in a normal union. But when the authorities bring the country to a pen, there will be rebellion, by itself, senseless and merciless. And nobody will remember about bulk and other mink revolutionaries. And about the good of the motherland, by the way, too.
  25. +1
    23 July 2013 18: 36
    Quote: yak69
    It is not clear to me what kind of middle class does the author broadcast? Is there a middle class in Russia ?! Show where he is, how he looks, how many of his number ?!
    The vast majority of citizens are below the poverty line! The rest, also a huge part, just survives - from penny to penny. In the world (Western, "civilized"), it is generally accepted that if more than half of the salary of citizens goes to food, taxes, payments, transport, then this citizen will no longer be able to exist and develop normally, because he has no money left to restore his health, rest (travel, travel), education (books, theaters, courses). That is, it is doomed to degradation!
    In our country, the income structure is approximately the same: 0.5% oligarchs, 2% rich people, about 3% whose income is above 100 tr. per month, about 4% from 80 to 100 tr, the remaining 90% is that same large segment of the population whose incomes do not exceed 20-50 tr per month. And this is actually an optimistic picture.
    And this is a very crushed layer of the population, but if it already begins to murmur and its murmur is heard louder, then soon it will become no joke !.

    That's right. +
  26. -2
    23 July 2013 18: 39
    The article is a very inept attempt to support the authorities of the Russian Federation by creating a myth about "bad liberals shaking the Russian statehood" and "statists opposing them."
    In fact, after 1991, a regime of bourgeois dictatorship was established in Russia, which is quite typical for the countries of "peripheral capitalism." only in the price of oil and in the state of a nuclear shield. Moreover, already in the 90s it was clear that the government would soon “split.” One part of it would insist on the conservation of the situation (that is, its capital) within the framework of the existing Russian Federation, and the other to continue the "course of reforms" despite the fact that maintaining Russia's borders will not be considered a sine qua non condition for these reforms.
    At the same time, both parts (conditionally Putin’s group and Navalny’s group) will strive to take control or pursue all socialist and even nationalist organizations raising the issue of dismantling all this bourgeois dictatorship.
    The question is how to "unite honestly" and create a social movement / party capable of dismantling the entire social system created in 1991. And is it worth using the struggle of some predators against others.
    1. Lightindark
      -5
      23 July 2013 18: 49
      support hi The countries of the former USSR, including Russia, remained on the periphery of civilization. Despite the relative economic well-being of the latter
      1. +4
        23 July 2013 19: 21
        Well, then you are ahead of Civilizations, ahahaaaa. The question is, do we want to be ahead of you? Yes, the Russians with you in the same field ... they won’t sit down, not talking about the rest.
        You are you, and we are we, the trick is that we do not give a shit about you, but we do not give you peace. Forward the nation, racists, colonialists, world fat people and a bunch of sex-damaging ones, forward into your bright future, but only without us.
        1. Lightindark
          -8
          23 July 2013 21: 45
          You better explain how you mocked the smaller nations, destroyed their language, culture, created the prison for hundreds of years .... And now the Russian government continues the same policy .... the last shirt is removed from the Ukrainians
          1. +3
            23 July 2013 22: 27
            Well, you’ll talk about mockery))) we are just before your naughty sheep.
            1. Lightindark
              -2
              23 July 2013 22: 53
              Such lambs would be worse than a seasoned wolf :))) .... Essentially nothing to say ... so go crazy .... then the mats are trying to personally offend me personally, that's what you tilovaykrisa
          2. +3
            23 July 2013 22: 55
            Quote: Lightindark
            You better explain how you mocked the smaller nations, destroyed their language, culture, and created the prison of nations for hundreds of years ...

            Yes ? What kind of annihilation of small nations is this if Georgians still speak and write Georgian, Armenians in Armenian, how did the northern peoples live and live so? Where is the prison and destruction, where is the mockery of them? Not only that, all of the above and others like them had their own culture, so they preserved it and no one deprived them of it ... So don’t do it ...
            1. Lightindark
              -2
              23 July 2013 23: 13
              and glory to GOD that there are no more prisons of nations ... Small countries always suffer from large ones .... Example-Russia crushes Ukraine economically ... it's just ridiculous, Ukraine pays more than Germany. Nonsense .... The Russian authorities are cynical about the fraternity .... What kind of brother is this that offends his brother? Not to mention the imposition of non-proprietary treaties on the Black Sea Fleet.
              1. +2
                23 July 2013 23: 31
                Quote: Lightindark
                and glory to GOD that there are no more prisons of peoples ..

                So it didn’t exist, or do you think that during the USSR, Georgians were forced to forget their language and culture? Or in the Russian Empire?
                And about Ukraine - I am very good with Ukrainians, and I also have enough friends from Ukraine, and I don’t remember something that they were forbidden to speak and write Ukrainian, forbidden to dance gopak wearing national clothes, in schools teaching was in 2 languages .... hi
                And the fact that they have to pay more than Germany is a question for their independent authorities ... And not for us ...
                Quote: Lightindark
                Not to mention the imposition of non-proprietary treaties on the Black Sea Fleet.

                And what are they disadvantageous?
                1. Lightindark
                  -2
                  24 July 2013 01: 27
                  They pay pennies for rent .. take at least 100 years, but pay the rental price for the rent .... gas is exorbitant, and then a divorce ... steed and shame
              2. +4
                23 July 2013 23: 41
                Quote: Lightindark
                and glory to GOD that there are no more prisons of peoples ... Small countries always will suffer from large ....
                The most furious neophyte fans, has a green card been received long ago?
                All the same, there’s no reason to shame on a country that mistakenly raised and fed such a freak
                1. Lightindark
                  0
                  24 July 2013 01: 37
                  And who are you, "handsome" to rip off a fleece and judge others? Take a mirror and see ... you are confused about you or me. Probably too much on the chest for courage ... well, nothing will pound you a little and let go
          3. mogus
            +4
            24 July 2013 02: 55
            are there concrete examples of rotting? Shorets, on this site, is grateful to the arrival of the Slavs. Ask the Buryats how they live next to us ... In the 90s, only the Caucasus was hit with urine in the head, the rest was normal.
  27. luka095
    +7
    23 July 2013 19: 05
    There is nothing new in Navalny’s interview. The idea that the people are to blame for something (for example, does not go to the barricades, or does not vote correctly, or does something else wrong — everyone can add ...) is practically present in all such statements of the so-called opposition. Well, they got the wrong people !!! Some kind of wrong.
    And what does the so-called middle class have to do with it? In what such revolutions was he an active force? Yes, not in any! Here are some representatives of this so-called class were, so to speak, at the "helm" of the revolution. So the current ones want to steer! I won't even say that our "opposition" is practically working on orders ...
    And the article "plus".
  28. +6
    23 July 2013 19: 20
    It's just that the Russian people have a memory at the genetic level "Yelling" that any unrest leads to even greater troubles, and that there are always those who push us towards it, the middle class understands very well that at least some kind of stability will go away with Putin and chaos will likely begin , the middle class is not stupid, he knows how to analyze the prevailing external situation and understands how this annoys his homeland, and unlike the Oligarchs, he has no place to run. So people do not want to rock the boat in which they sit. Well, these bulk shnavalnye, Alekseevs and others work to achieve their own interests, they just need a sinking boat.
    1. +9
      23 July 2013 19: 23
      On the one hand, yes, but on the other? How much can thieves in power endure? Power has become a closed ecosystem; people from outside don't get there. This is a very dangerous path.
      1. +6
        23 July 2013 19: 27
        I will open your eyes, it has always been like this and not only with us, hence the terms went like "power elites" It's just that, unlike the USSR, social elevators do not work in our country, that's the whole story.
      2. +4
        23 July 2013 20: 40
        Plus sign.
        But revolution never replaced a social elevator.
        Rather, it threw out frank foam to power, the destruction of the "Leninist guard" by Stalin was inevitable in the conditions of the formation of a single sovereign country.
        (as well as the acceleration of the Comintern),
        1. +2
          23 July 2013 21: 19
          The so-called "Leninist Guard" - Trotsky Kamenev Zinoviev Sokolovsky and others like them appeared in Russia in the summer of 17 and before that they belonged to another party or actively undermined the work of the CPSU b
  29. +1
    23 July 2013 21: 00
    Any upheavals and revolutions are only in the hands of the enemy! Liberasts and Tolerasts are no less evil than war and revolution.
  30. +3
    23 July 2013 21: 17
    I look at the comments and wonder if I probably didn’t read them, or maybe they didn’t teach them how V.I. Lenin (please do not mischief) assessed the revolutionary situation - this is when the tops cannot manage in the old way, and the lower classes do not want to live in the old way. The president according to Leninsky assesses the situation: you never know what the lower classes do not want, but the upper circles can still manage society in a corrupt way, according to the old.
  31. +1
    23 July 2013 21: 22
    Things are not brilliant at the fifth column, there are no fools in Russia (except for fairy tales, and that is to mislead "friends-partners"), but white-ribbon ones, as they say: "... the family has its black sheep." , here is the wrong contingent (just jumped off a palm tree).
    1. 0
      23 July 2013 22: 28
      Forgive me, for the time being, there is still some saying that they have human capital here, but it has become smaller, which cannot but rejoice.
  32. 128mgb
    -2
    23 July 2013 21: 25
    Quote: vlad.1924
    There are rich, poor and homeless people, whom for some reason became more than in Soviet times ...

    In Soviet times there were no homeless people, there were scourges.
    Quote: Lightindark
    support hi The countries of the former USSR, including Russia, remained on the periphery of civilization.

    A civilized person means educated, educated means tactful, tactful person will not tell another that it is not pleasant. Tell me, are you a civilized person?
    1. +3
      23 July 2013 22: 34
      Not for the United States, for them civilized means "LGBT member". weighing 150kg, having a tendency to suicide and sitting on Vicodin, while always looking at the zombie device for 6 hours a day. "Well, I forgot, a small flag on the lawn in memory of the genocide of the indigenous population.
    2. Lightindark
      -1
      23 July 2013 23: 34
      It’s problematic to be tactful on a Russian site, as much as I wouldn’t want to ... they’ll peck. Look and read komenty especially comrade tilovaykrisa. You do not find very civilized comments? The degree of civilization depends on many things, places and people with whom you communicate. Nenad generalize.
  33. +5
    23 July 2013 21: 38
    Navalny's first words after the pre-trial detention center were about the riot: “If necessary, we will turn the cars over.” I wonder whose? Probably ordinary Muscovites, but this guy will not appear there, because he is a simple provocateur. “Anal is our president.” Who wants anarchy, I wish that they and their loved ones suffered first.
    1. +4
      23 July 2013 22: 30
      The dog will turn my dog ​​over to Flyukha, I won’t see what a semi-liberal sex, I’ll break his head in a state of affection and let him be considered a hirelings of the Kremlin, and the neighbor’s logan will touch off the anus with exhaust fumes at the nearest churchyard.
  34. serge
    +2
    23 July 2013 22: 35
    Traditionally, the middle class means that category of the population that will live well and stable under the existing government and which will not change the existing government in any state under any circumstances. Attempts to push this middle class to revolution are deliberately doomed to failure always and everywhere, including ours. Now, if this "class" dramatically impoverishes and turns into lumpen, then yes, the breeding ground for the revolution is obvious. But we don't have that. The well-being of the middle strata (not a class, it sounds loud) of the population in the 2000s grew, and it grew thanks to Putin, everyone knows that. Therefore, only psychos or people on a salary who receive money from an external enemy will go to protest against the current government just because they muddy the waters. What actually happens. In addition, there is a fresh experience of the revolution of the 80s-90s, which led to a sharp deterioration in the people's welfare. As a result, the people, and especially the middle strata of the population, realized that the revolution would lead to impoverishment, and, treating the current government with suspicion and lovelessness, are counter-revolutionary. The Americans will not be able to shake the middle strata of the population, we do not have Libya or Egypt. Therefore, they act in several directions at once - in parallel with screaming about dictatorship, they incite interethnic and interfaith strife. This is done with the help of Russian media, which are trying to pit Russians against other nationalities of the Russian Federation. However, it is not possible to stir up the broad mass of the Russian population to national enmity. As a result, since the lower classes want to live in the old way, and the upper classes are still able to govern in the old way, nothing will come of it. There is no revolutionary situation. The export of the revolution has failed.
    1. +3
      23 July 2013 22: 39
      "incite interethnic and sectarian strife"
      Plus, look at the root, they are working out the benefit at the moment in Syria.
  35. +4
    23 July 2013 22: 46
    Yes, he went, this Navalny ... to where the court sent ...
    A fighter for the people, his mother ...
    1. sashka
      +2
      23 July 2013 23: 21
      Quote: Consul-t
      A fighter for the people, his mother ..

      So after all, Serdyukov did not arbitrarily take his post. After all, he was appointed .. Who did more harm. Serdyuk or Bulk ..
  36. sashka
    +3
    23 July 2013 22: 58
    Article of "dubious" quality. Dual. Where does the "middle" class come from? And what are the criteria for its appearance? Goons and beggars - Something in between? Only a bold minus. There is no reason for its appearance and existence. Either or. Either you cheat the state or not .. And then you just "". The state decided to play "gambling" games, changing the rules in the course of the game and reinforcing stupid slogans. Others were "led." Elementary ..
  37. sashka
    +5
    23 July 2013 23: 04
    With the proposed salary of 5-8 thousand "middle" class can not be by definition .. Only beggars .. Plant named after Uritsky, which is in the "city" Engels. Engineer programmer CNC machines. 8 required ..
  38. +1
    24 July 2013 01: 31
    Quote: tilovaykrisa
    the middle class understands perfectly well that with Putin at least some stability will leave and chaos will very likely begin


    I support your opinion. It's better to work than running around with a gun to lose loved ones. The middle class wants peace, stability, wants to work to raise children, help parents. Revolution is chaos, it is war. Liberals want revolution, they want war, apparently they have nothing to lose. Or maybe it's fun for them, a party. But they cannot understand that they will be the first to "bury" them. Ancestors said - A thin world is better than a good quarrel.
  39. +3
    24 July 2013 02: 01
    A typical cowardice that everyone is trying to wrap in the design of some rational reflection on usefulness or harm ”,“ to say that everyone who goes to the rally is in danger is impossible. We came up with some kind of nonsense: we will all be beaten and imprisoned. It’s impossible to kill and imprison everyone. ”


    But there was nothing to mix "hamsters" who were outraged by the elections to the State Duma and for the first time showed their civic position and went to a rally, to mix with the Nazis, travestites and other rabble. People went to express their dissatisfaction with the falsification, and the opposition, having gathered a significant audience, began to bring its revolutionary ideas to the masses. here you will. They discredited themselves.

    Vaughn, feminists, spread their plague without revolutions. And the law on rallies was passed only because of such screamers. It is not necessary to fight with Power; it must be educated. For example, the guys "Stop Ham" who do not strive to build traffic police.

    I am also not happy with much of what, but I will never go to a rally where there will be flags of nationalists, homosexuals, etc.

    I do not want, with my presence, to support the State Department song of Nemtsov, Udaltsov, and the like, bearing from the stage.

    I am ready to show a civic stand, but not where they call for revolution. Revolution is chaos, lawlessness, hunger and arbitrariness ... I do not want this. I am a representative of that middle class, I don’t want to be afraid to leave the house, read about gang warfare again, and how power-sharing people shoot each other, how miners go on hunger strike and desperate people commit self-immolation.

    I want to read about sudden large-scale exercises, about gold medals of athletes, about how Russia bent everyone at the G7 + 1 summit, about Syria defeating world American banditry, about our 5th generation fighters and about ours (I was shocked) the economy is now 5th in the world. I like to read that the bourgeois envy us, that we have such a President as Putin, there is much to argue about, but the fact that he is "handsome" and showed what qualities a leader of a country should have is a fact recognized in the world. I would also read (I hope I can wait) about how the court passed the sentence "Capital measure" to Serdyukov. When Serdyukov is shot, then it will be clear that Russia has risen from its knees.


    But I do not want to read about Navalny.
    In short .. IMHO Thief should be in prison.
    1. +1
      24 July 2013 02: 39

      I here under point 1 and 4 would not subscribe. There is nothing to put all the eggs in one basket.
  40. ratuld
    0
    24 July 2013 03: 59
    The middle class in Russia is judges, prosecutors, cops, faces and officials with deputies. This is the STATE. As for the COUNTRY, the population quite rightly scores all calls and laments of both the state and the opposition. Let all these guys understand themselves. The country has incomparably more choices in life than all gospel friends. So let's wait and see. And there is nothing to add.
  41. Crocodile
    +1
    24 July 2013 04: 58
    Quote: leon-iv
    Here, under the eloquent heading “Contrary to Trends,” the author writes that while the whole middle class goes to the square to overthrow dictators, the Russian “dissatisfied citizens” do not: “The almost complete absence of references to Russia in numerous publications of reports and articles about today's global uprising of the middle class and forecasts of the development of the trend can be explained by the fact that either researchers do not see us as any middle class, or they consider it simply asleep. "

    And the approach is very subtle. It seems that there is almost no middle class in the country, and by itself no more than 10%, and the scope is far away ... http: //chelyabinsk.ru/text/newsline/399196.html
    So, the LHB.E.a.s.st.was swung to the floor of the country ... Well, people in our country do not want to consider themselves poor!
  42. +2
    24 July 2013 08: 18
    For some reason, many people think that NPOs and other foreign elements are such a fifth column as Navalny, who wants to divide the country. Of course, they want to divide the country, but the truth is that Navalny is just a punitive detachment of the occupier, and they have already been in power since 1991, when the country came under external control, and has not been freed since. We need a national revolution, and while PUTIN is the NATIONAL LEADER in the Kremlin, this can and should be done peacefully.
  43. 0
    24 July 2013 08: 34
    the problem is that the fish rots from the head, and until there are fair elections at all levels, neither the middle nor the lower class will achieve anything. All (!) We are against health care reform and education, so what? Someone listened to us? until the cobblestone in the window arrives at the Minister, nothing will change. so there are two options - either fair elections or cobblestones. I am for the elections!
    1. +2
      24 July 2013 10: 29
      Funny, here in our city of Angarsk, Irkutsk region, the mayor was popularly elected with the support of the communists. Ah, how he broadcast beautifully, the miracle is simple! .Why is it me? And to the fact that everyone knows who specifically is responsible for the fact that nichrome is not being done in the city, well, once the mayor, leave me alone, but for some reason Putin and the government are being bullied. And not the one you chose. Paradox however .

      PS: To change the country to begin with, you need to change the mentality of its population.