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Why is the "middle class" called on the barricades

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Recently, in the so-called. publications appeared in the liberal media, the essence of which comes down to accusing the Russian middle class of being insufficiently radical and not ready to make revolutions. Here, under the eloquent headline "Contrary to trends"The author writes that while in the whole world the middle class is entering the square to overthrow dictators, the Russian" disgruntled townspeople "do not do that:" The almost complete absence of mentions of Russia in numerous publications of reports and articles on today's global uprising of the middle class and trend predictions can be explained by the fact that either the researchers do not see any middle class in our country, or they consider it just sleeping. ”


The author shames the target audience - here, they say, corruption, and alienation from the ruling political elite, and the “clan-capitalist” regime, in which economic opportunities largely depend on political connections, and “voiced already intentions to cancel the flat scale” (which supposedly lead to the destruction of the middle class - despite the fact that in all European countries, where the middle class and the truth lived until recently in a socially-oriented state, the scale is sharply progressive, which is considered the key to prosperity and social guarantees) - in a word, all the conditions are available, but there is still no Tahrir Square on Manezhnaya. “But so far the threat of a real drop in the incomes of the middle class has not become fatal, and corruption, alienation from elites, and the like do not cause any special allergies. In a word, the Russian middle class can afford to continue a political dream, ”this author appeals to them with reproach.

But the apotheosis was, undoubtedly, the interview of Aleksey Navalny to the Afisha magazine, which will be released on July 26, but has already been published on the Internet. Under the heading "Guys, you made it so that I'm alone." Yury Saprykin, chief editor of Afisha, who is arguing on behalf of ordinary hipsters, is talking to Navalny. And he says things are very interesting.

That for people dissatisfied with power is often a closer position “step aside”, rather than an active revolutionary struggle: “It’s as if I owe something to people who are imprisoned, or even my conscience, and I haven’t done so.” That, in principle, even in power, there seems to be officials who do something useful for the urban infrastructure. That there are people who simply are not up to the revolution: “Burgers and shops are a very narrow layer of our facebook friends. They can really choose - to engage in shops or to engage in politics. But behind them there is a giant layer of people who are mired in everyday problems, who earn their bread with great difficulty. And when, suddenly having reached out to him, we yell: “Guys, what are you doing there garbage? Well, quickly print a newspaper ", it does not cause them anything but irritation." And the main thing - asks Navalny about responsibility. “Because we went to the Swamp and came again, several dozen people are now rolling for a long time. Here one percent looks at it and thinks: “But exactly the next time you need to go to court? And will not be worse? Not to me worse, but to the one who is in court. ” And that some even prefer to emigrate if they don’t like everything at all.

Bulk responds to this in the sense that everyone is a coward. “What have you got your hands down? Where are you, show me the weights on your legs? Where are your shackles? ”“ No one has the right to say now: “I have such a bad life, I have three children, I take care of my grandmothers, so I don’t care about politics.” “The typical cowardice that everyone is trying to wrap into the design of some rational reflection on utility or harm,” “to say that everyone who goes to the rally is in danger, not. We came up with some kind of nonsense: we will all be beaten and imprisoned. Kill and plant all impossible. " And calls feasible to participate.

About the "kill and put", by the way, I want to make just such a remark. Recently, Forbes magazine columnist Mark Adomanis wrote an article “Forgotten punitive action: everyone forgot that Yeltsin shot his opponents tanks and artillery, ”in which he notes that the hysteria of the Western media about the brutality of the totalitarian Russian government looks a little strange, given that in general it is Yeltsin, not Putin shot at his people.

And Mr. Adomanis once analyzed Russian statistics of population incomes and wrote to Forbes that “the Russian middle class is not something you can think of,” and explained that you should not confuse the notion of “middle class” with a social group, rather relating to its upper, high-income part, or urban representatives of the “creative class” and bohemians, who are opposition-minded.

Statistics of Rosstat is very simple - only 1000% of the population in Russia have income per person in a family of more than 10 euros per month. Including all oligarchs, businessmen and simply well-paid specialists in megalopolises. Obviously, the real middle class in Russia, and not in Moscow, is somewhat different people. Otherwise, there are quite surprising maxims that the middle class in Russia is 10%. And the remaining 90% are recorded as poor, while more than half of them live far from poverty. Having an income from 500 to 1000 euros per person in the family, which allows in the regions to lead, if not elegant, but quite ordinary philistine life, with shopping in supermarkets, vacations and even a car. And those in Russia are not 10% at all, but 40%.

And, as shown by opinion polls in the regions, the population is more concerned with economic instability, poverty, rising prices, and housing and utilities problems. Naturally, corruption. But not the idea of ​​political protests. This, for example, is mentioned even in the recent report of the Center for Strategic Research to the Civil Initiatives Committee, not loyal to the authorities - yes, people are ready in the regions for protest actions - but for economic reasons. As events of the last weeks have shown, also by ethnic ones. The report says the growth in demand for democracy in the regions. But what is meant by this?

To understand, you can pay attention to another recently published report - the Institute of Sociology of the Russian Academy of Sciences presented the most extensive study of poverty in Russia in the last 20 years. There are many poor people - a quarter of the population. These people consider modern Russia to be unjust, divided into rich and poor, those who have nothing, and those who can do anything.

At the same time, this is what the authors of the study say about the attitude of the poor towards the authorities: “With all the urgency of the experiences, Russians, balancing on the edge of poverty, do not express a desire to change something by their efforts“ to the ground, and then ... ”. They crave not change, but stability (almost three-quarters of them said so - 71%). There are even fewer supporters of change among the poor than the national average. ” “The main thing that poor Russians want is for the state to base its policy on the principle of“ common good ”, so that people have equal chances and opportunities, and“ social elevators ”will not get stuck between floors.” “Russians trust the president of the country, although they express quite a few critical comments to the authorities - especially about corruption and the work of law enforcement agencies. But even among the poor, 63% support the current government, although they assess the situation in the economy and the social sphere with a minus sign. ”

The conclusion here is very simple. The real middle class and not rich Russians really make a request for change - they are waiting for the authorities to tackle pressing issues. Even in a wealthy middle-class megalopolis that does not love power, there is no desire to take part in radical protest rallies, when it is not ribbons that are supposed to be, but fights with the police, blood, arrests and other attributes of real, but not facebook revolutions. Although this social group is not very nice for conservative patriots, it is not necessary to demonize it either. Not loving power, criticizing it, supporting liberal parties, advocating for their values ​​or even emigrating, since it’s absolutely unbearable to continue living here - anyone has a right to do so.

But this, as we see, for those who “blame” citizens for not being ready to go to the barricades, is not enough. There is little criticism, little intellectual discontent, and even peaceful rallies too little. Only irrational hatred is needed. Which they will warm up by any means in society so that, with all the mantras about peaceful protest - if you are lucky - transform it into real violence. However, this is not at all a new method, and not at all Navalny, and not even Gene Sharp invented it. Walter Lippmann, the propaganda and PR grandfather, wrote back in 1927: “You need to influence the crowd, reinforcing your feelings. Narrow down the choice to several options. Separate ideas from emotional symbols. ”

In a word, “Vote with your heart!”. 2.0 version ...

PS Viktor Marakhovsky

I would like to add a few words to what my colleague said. We have repeatedly written that by itself the concept of "middle class" has no independent content - that is, in different countries at different times can mean anything. From "those who have property, education and savings" to "those who have a roof over their heads, daily food and work." And even "those who use the most modern gadgets and are aware of the main trends." That is, the “middle class” is a vagrant trademark, pasted either spontaneously or arbitrarily onto different groups of citizens.

It is because of its vagueness and vagueness that the “middle class” seems to be in such persistent demand from various political consultants. To manage a real social group that really exists and has common interests can only be within the narrow confines of these very interests: such a group inevitably realizes what it needs. And, as a result, any “recruitment” of political technologists does not affect it.

The creation of a social simulacrum group, made from scratch on a knee, allows you to organize something like a pseudo-religious community: its members will believe that they belong to a special circle, simply by accepting a number of dogmas. Accordingly, it will be possible to impose "class interests" on them without encountering special resistance - if a person agrees to consider himself part of a community that does not exist in reality, then he will not be aware of a common interest, but it will not be known by hearsay.

The fact that in Russia this simulation is not going well yet, says that the majority of citizens still prefer to solve their problems and tasks in reality. Anyway, bye.
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  1. leon-iv
    leon-iv 23 July 2013 15: 46 New
    +8
    exh useless people we rebel bad bida pichal.
    1. Alexei
      Alexei 23 July 2013 16: 36 New
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      Quote: leon-iv
      exh useless people we rebel bad bida pichal

      Ну laughing It is necessary that he went on strike: he didn’t work, blocked the tracks with banners, threw corps of police stations at Molotov’s cocktails, so that the crowds would walk and crush the Caucasians (inciting ethnic hatred), so that they would drop into the administration and kill everyone. And a diverse crowd threw themselves on shields and batons ... Everything on the altar of freedom and social justice ...
      Here what for it is necessary? The opposition should be in order for the government to correct, to bring benefit to society, so to speak. Citizens are oppositionists, come up with projects, create new models ... In general, work, not agitate the crowd.
      1. yak69
        yak69 23 July 2013 17: 31 New
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        It is not clear to me what kind of middle class does the author broadcast? Is there a middle class in Russia ?! Show where he is, how he looks, how many of his number ?!
        The vast majority of citizens below the poverty line! The rest, also a huge part, simply survives - from a penny to a penny. In the world (western, "civilized"), it is generally accepted that if more than half of the salary of citizens goes to food, taxes, payments, transport, then this citizen will no longer be able to exist and develop normally, because he has no money left to restore health, rest (travel, travel), training (books, theaters, courses). That is, he is doomed to degradation!
        In our country, the income structure is approximately the same: 0.5% oligarchs, 2% rich people, about 3% whose income is above 100 tr. per month, about 4% from 80 to 100 tr, the remaining 90% is that same large segment of the population whose incomes do not exceed 20-50 tr per month. And this is actually an optimistic picture.
        And this is a very crushed layer of the population, but if it already begins to murmur and its murmur is heard louder, then soon it will become no joke!
        I would really not like the “Russian revolt”, because it is a blind rage sweeping away everything in its path and looking for an object to absorb the accumulated humiliation and suffering from injustice. But doesn’t the authorities see this ?! Does not understand?! When alone, publicly and brazenly spit on the law, stealing BILLIONS! And others cannot take a breath from constantly depressing financial problems.
        Is this blinding from Kremlin luxury, country residences or from a narrow mind ?! Or maybe there are other reasons, deeper and more insidious? ....
        1. Garrin
          Garrin 23 July 2013 17: 35 New
          +4
          Everything is written correctly. Do not add, do not decrease.
          "Plus". good drinks
        2. S_mirnov
          S_mirnov 23 July 2013 18: 59 New
          +5
          Here it is very well said about the middle class, look, do not be lazy.
          http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1d4AEY2RnrA
        3. Apologet.Ru
          Apologet.Ru 23 July 2013 19: 57 New
          +6
          hi
          Of course, I'm a colleague, I apologize.
          But, now it’s summer, go to the airport, railway station and see how many and where “poor” people go to rest.
          Yes, and statistics of travel agencies you can ask.
          Yes, and I myself recently vacationed in Turkey, so I will tell you a secret, Antalya Airport made an indelible impression on me with the amount of traveling people.
          So guess citizens, what nationality was there the most?
          1. tilovaykrisa
            tilovaykrisa 23 July 2013 20: 29 New
            +3
            I spend 20 years in Feodosia, I bought myself an apartment there 5 minutes from the sea and I’m not worried, the children have already grown up there, we don’t need a Turkish coast, I love my coast. Although the excursion wandered around his youth around the world in search of new sensations.
            1. Apologet.Ru
              Apologet.Ru 23 July 2013 20: 35 New
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              Colleague hi believe me, I am very happy for you ...
          2. S_mirnov
            S_mirnov 23 July 2013 21: 44 New
            +5
            "So guess, citizens, what nationality was there the most?" - Muscovites, definitely! laughing
            1. Alexei
              Alexei 23 July 2013 21: 55 New
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              Quote: S_mirnov
              - Muscovites, definitely!

              Yes, the truth is. From the provinces rod in droves. Even here in the province, a trip abroad to rest is considered commonplace. Only the lazy did not buy a wheelbarrow. Here are the apartments, yes, the price is trouble. But the standard of living is acceptable, wedding after wedding, the birth rate has increased ... In short, see you with your revolution and abrupt changes.
              1. S_mirnov
                S_mirnov 23 July 2013 23: 54 New
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                “Even here in the provinces, a trip abroad to rest is considered routine.” - This is good, your province is cool.
                "Only the lazy did not buy a wheelbarrow" - yes, for sure. Now we stand in traffic jams (we forgot to expand the roads).
                "Here are the apartments, yes, the price is trouble." - you can take a mortgage and feed the bank!
                "But the standard of living is acceptable, wedding after wedding, the birth rate has increased ..." - so there is still something to sell in the country, from the USSR not all machines were sold, minerals, the remains of military technology.
                "In short, see you with your revolution and abrupt changes." - So it's not me, this revolution will come to you, only the later - the bloodier it will be. A box of biscuits and a jar of jam at the Boy bad ends quickly, with his appetites. And you have to sell someone again!
                1. Alexei
                  Alexei 24 July 2013 03: 35 New
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                  Quote: S_mirnov
                  that's good, you have a cool province.

                  An ordinary average province, just like you whining about us being robbed and we need a revolution (I want it all this way without working), but here we have to work. The work is flurry, but all the same rushing about: "The bosses are moronic, they could pay more there, the work is hard there, the death is shorter for the Jews ..."
                  Quote: S_mirnov
                  Yes exactly. Now we are standing in traffic jams (we forgot to expand the roads).

                  You just need to settle more or less evenly across the country, and not rub yourself into large cities in search of grabbing money and hanging out.
                  Quote: S_mirnov
                  you can take a mortgage and feed the bank

                  Here you are right, nobody wants smile
                  Quote: S_mirnov
                  so there is still something to sell in the country, from the USSR not all machines were sold, minerals, the remains of military technology

                  Again superficial judgment. There is work, our goods appear on the shelves, although for now they are food, but they are bought well. And frets ride. And UAZ. The forest now leaves only on the board, with the exception of rotten birch for firewood. Oil companies begin to dictate their rules in the European market (it’s a pity that there are few of them, the competition is weak in our country) We sell outdated military technologies, thereby developing new ones. But they write poorly about them and not all (and do it right)
                  Quote: S_mirnov
                  A box of biscuits and a jar of jam at the Boy bad ends quickly, with his appetites. And you have to sell someone again!

                  And in Russia there has always been and will be something to sell, the main thing is to agree on a price, which Putin did at one time, slightly twisting the rake arms to our European partners (few people noticed this) There is money in the treasury, and not small ones, but littering them as instructed near internet hamsters no one will be.
            2. tilovaykrisa
              tilovaykrisa 23 July 2013 22: 21 New
              0
              “Moskvich” is such a straight terry nationality, as MOGOL sounds, it is pleasant and hard.
          3. fokino1980
            fokino1980 24 July 2013 10: 54 New
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            Ukrainians !!!! laughing
        4. Botanologist
          Botanologist 23 July 2013 20: 42 New
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          Quote: yak69
          the remaining 90% is that same large segment of the population whose incomes do not exceed 20-50 TR per month.


          Income in 50000 rubles, or 2000 dollars - is very weak even in the USA. So there is no need to raise your hands to the sky and look for the answer to the pathetic questions.

          Quote: yak69
          Or maybe there are other reasons, deeper and more insidious? ....


          Read Berdyaev, he wrote everything 100 years ago. Indeed, the reasons are different, deeper.

          And if you want a revolution, well, that’s possible. Which one did you like more over the past 25 years:
          1. According to Gorbachev
          2. According to yeltsin
          3. According to Chubais
          4. According to Gaidar
          5. According to Kirenko.

          The answer can be written simply in numbers.
          1. yak69
            yak69 24 July 2013 00: 10 New
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            Quote: Botanologist
            Income of 50000 rubles, or $ 2000

            I deliberately increased the numbers so as not to exaggerate. In fact, I know a lot of regions where people work for 6-12 tr. per month. And there are so many!
            Quote: Botanologist
            And if you want a revolution,

            Why did you decide that I want a revolution ?! I do not want revolutions and riots, I am for normal development, but I see something else. I see how the atmosphere is heating up, the "disturbance substance" is approaching the critical mass after which the explosion.
            Maybe you don’t see this, but I can clearly see. And God forbid that I make a mistake. I repeat, I do not want riots, but all the prerequisites are there - the contradictions are exacerbated from all sides.
            There is no time to decrypt, and I don’t feel like it (to be honest, I’m tired of repeating the obvious). Do you think that everything is good and wonderful and life is getting better, and Putin is leading the country in the right direction? Then fine and wonderful. Live with this confidence, God grant you all blessings! I will be sincerely glad if the citizens of our country are satisfied, well-fed and calm.
            Just, just in case, put aside my words in a secluded corner of your memory, so that later, when all the complacency suddenly turns into a dupe, you will not say: "Wow, but I did not expect this!".

            Once again, I DO NOT WANT REVOLUTIONS AND Riots, but the situation is alarming.
            Accept this as information for thought.
        5. Alexei
          Alexei 23 July 2013 21: 49 New
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          Quote: yak69
          It is not clear to me what kind of middle class does the author broadcast?

          These are hard workers.
          Quote: yak69
          the remaining 90% is that same large segment of the population whose incomes do not exceed 20-50 TR per month

          Well, hell knows where to go to rest so that there is less Russian middle class.
          Quote: yak69
          And others cannot take a breath from constantly depressing financial problems.
          And they go sadly, suffering from a terrible hangover, to work. recourse
        6. sub307
          sub307 23 July 2013 22: 12 New
          +1
          Quite right: who is the middle class, where are the criteria?
          1. tilovaykrisa
            tilovaykrisa 23 July 2013 22: 23 New
            +4
            12-17 here is the average. The rest can consider themselves Oligarchs.
        7. optimist
          optimist 23 July 2013 22: 56 New
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          Quote: yak69
          I would really not like the “Russian revolt”, because it is a blind rage sweeping away everything in its path and looking for an object to absorb the accumulated humiliation and suffering from injustice. But doesn’t the authorities see this ?! Does not understand?! When alone, publicly and brazenly spit on the law, stealing BILLIONS! And others cannot take a breath from constantly depressing financial problems. Is that blinding from Kremlin luxury, country residences or from a narrow mind ?! Or maybe there are other reasons, deeper and more insidious? ....

          Yes, dear, the reasons are different. Power and Money is the worst drug ever! And in our country, it is still compounded by permissiveness and impunity. Just riot for riot, a lesson for idiots. And all these “fermentations” of the last two years are nothing more than leverage of Western pressure on the overwhelming “Vovka and K *”, who decided that in this country they can do anything. And the whole question is, what are the objectives of this "rebellion"? Take loot from some bandits and give it to others? And if the goals are similar to those for which our great-grandfathers died on the fronts of the Civil, this is another matter. So as long as people don’t specifically pinch the people, this people will sit on it evenly and vote for stability. And if suddenly a concrete one comes ... oops ... Remember how it all began in October St. Petersburg: in a storehouse, bread ran out for a week ...
        8. TUNISIA
          TUNISIA 23 July 2013 23: 03 New
          +5
          In our country, the income structure is approximately the same: 0.5% oligarchs, 2% rich people, about 3% whose income is above 100 tr. per month, about 4% from 80 to 100 tr, the remaining 90% is that same large segment of the population whose incomes do not exceed 20-50 tr per month.

          Sorry, but to whom are people whose income is from 50 to 80 thousand? Something about them I did not find statistics from you. According to your understanding, in Russia there are either very rich or very poor. But here I am neither myself, nor my family, neither one nor the other. I am now retired and with a new "civilian" salary, not referring myself to either the poor or the rich, I can safely attribute my family's income to the middle class. I'm just not used to rushing to extremes and reason realistically by my own example.
          As for the "barricades" and various kinds of protests. Again, I will speak by my own example. I am satisfied with the income of my and my family as a whole. So, why and why should I climb the barricades? I just live, work and raise my children. Logically, who will go to the barricades? There will go a man who has not achieved and has not achieved anything significant in his life, who has not built any foundation for himself and his family. Here is such a person who will harass Putin, Medvedev (Ivanov, Petrov, Sidorov ... if they were now in the place of Putin, Medvedev ...), here is such a person who has nothing and, therefore, has nothing to lose except his chains , goes to barricades, throws Molotov cocktails, stones at the police, then calls himself a political prisoner, etc.
          Why am I all about this: the middle class in Russia and in developed countries is a completely different category of people brought up and raised on different values. So with what fright should we equalize with them in stereotypes? When I was growing up, I saw that there were food coupons, what is the shortage, what is 2-3 hours to wait at minus 25 bus at the bus stop, what is living without a salary for 4-7 months and break from a penny to a penny. Then I saw a change. Drastic changes when income began to increase. Then we were able to repair the house, first buy one car, and after some time, each member of the family. We stopped saving money for boots for our wife or for some other things, we began to selectively choose food products ... I saw all this, found it in my right mind and sober memory.
          But in the Western countries the middle class (and it makes up the majority almost everywhere) did not see all this: they grew up in warmth and satiety ... They do not know the comparisons of “good” and “bad”. For them, “bad” is now, and “rich” the rich live. They all want to live richly there. They take part in demonstrations in defense of the pederasts, whose rights, in their opinion, are infringed in one way or another ... So will we go for demonstrations for their sake? Let's break the rules? No. And because we, the Russians, for many years used to think about other problems and have learned to prioritize these problems for ourselves.
          In short, we have something to do besides revolutions and other garbage. And Western, if they are bored, then we will not interfere)))
          1. Svarog
            Svarog 24 July 2013 09: 13 New
            0
            Nothing, the campaign, they will soon feel ... We still, however, have a lot of work in the country, so there is no time to protest, we need to work.
            PS Slowly introducing community service for homo-evolutionists, at least something useful would be done
    2. S_mirnov
      S_mirnov 23 July 2013 18: 56 New
      -4
      "exh useless folk, we rebel badly bida pichal." Yes, forgotten how to rebel, not like in the 17th, outweighed all the oligarchs and sent foreign owners by mother!
      1. omsbon
        omsbon 23 July 2013 21: 00 New
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        Quote: S_mirnov
        Yes, forgotten how to rebel, not like in the 17th, outweighed all the oligarchs and sent foreign owners by mother!

        And how many innocent people were killed, such demagogues as zasralny, and riots arranged the same for overseas money! Yes, in their mouths they all take a nut!
      2. Alexei
        Alexei 23 July 2013 21: 28 New
        +1
        Quote: S_mirnov
        not that in 17, they outweighed all the oligarchs and sent foreign owners by mother!

        Never wondered by what means was that revolution? After World War I, the Russian Empire did not have time to fuck anything from that war. But yeah, industrialists have decided everything.
        1. S_mirnov
          S_mirnov 23 July 2013 21: 47 New
          +3
          All all enterprises and land were nationalized, which is why the foreign capitalists were very offended and sent expeditionary forces to us (the intervention is called). But all the land bought up by foreigners and factories returned to the Russians!
          1. Alexei
            Alexei 23 July 2013 22: 04 New
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            Quote: S_mirnov
            But all the land bought up by foreigners and factories returned to the Russians!

            What nafig factories? The civil war threw the country back for 20 years, at the beginning of World War II the figs were shown to Germans and not fire. If the territory was small, then we would be dared as kittens.
            1. tilovaykrisa
              tilovaykrisa 23 July 2013 22: 24 New
              +5
              My friend at 20 you are disingenuous, the Middle Ages and mass hunger, 1500 enterprises from 0 from Taniya bought.
        2. Apologet.Ru
          Apologet.Ru 23 July 2013 23: 00 New
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          Quote Alexej
          Never wondered by what means was that revolution? After World War I, the Russian Empire did not have time to fuck anything from that war. But yeah, industrialists have decided everything.


          I answerhias I can and I understand -
          The Social Democrats (b) first in London (!) For the money of “simple” English Samaritans organize their party (2 congress of the RSDLP - 17 (30) of July - 10 (23) of August 1903), and then they supported the defeat of Russia for the next tranches in the Russo-Japanese War and organized revolutionary terrorism in the country, killing and maiming from 1901 to 1911 a year about 17 thousand people (of which 9 thousand during the revolution 1905 — 1907, in 1907, on average, up to 18 people died every day on average) And then, after a short break, according to the plan of Alexander Lvovich Parvus (Israel Lazarevich Gelfand) according to the “Memorial of Dr. Gelfand”, for the money of the German (and not only ...) government, comrade the Bolsheviks organized the October Revolution, smoothly flowing into the fratricidal Civil War. Thus having arranged, “the day before the Victory,” the defeat of the country in the First World War and erased from the memory of the people 5 million dead Russian soldiers.
          Ditching the color of the nation in the Civil War - more than 10 million man died and died during epidemics, more than 4 million people became disabled and more than 2 million people emigrated to other countries. And, destroying the country "to the ground" - was lost more than a quarter national wealth, national income declined in 2,75 times Compared to 1917, the gross output of small industry decreased up to 43% pre-war level, gross grain harvest up to 67%, metal products were 7% from the level of 1913, the production of pig iron is a little more than 2%, due to lack of fuel and raw materials, most enterprises stood idle, railways performed no more 12% 1913 traffic volume, practically mail and communication did not work - Communists, with a destroyed management system, but "with a burning eye" led the people "towards a brighter future", which they decided to build it themselves, the people, with their hands.
          And since they didn’t promise to feed on the way, then on the way they “lost” from hunger 5 млн. in 1920-21 and more than 7 million people in 1932-33 Due to the amateurism of the ruling stratum of the Bolshevik party and the Soviet state, consisting of people who did not have experience in real economic activity, the quality of managerial decisions was extremely low, and the concentration in the hands of the state of management of all sectors of the economy contributed to the swelling of the apparatus and the growth of bureaucracy. In addition, along with disinterested adherents of the Bolshevik idea, there were many careerists and even “socially close” criminals in the government.
          1. Apologet.Ru
            Apologet.Ru 23 July 2013 23: 04 New
            +2
            The expulsion of representatives of the opposition Bolshevik parties from power contributed to the lack of control of leaders who were convinced that “everything is permitted to them,” “the end justifies the means,” or else “why did they shed blood ?!” In short, there were many foremen, and few professional builders, because the number of workers decreased 6 – 7 timesand since "the salvation of the drowning people is the work of the drowning people themselves" - then, "Your word, Comrade Mauser!" And the purifying terror broke out! “May the storm strike harder!” As a result more than 1 million 700 thousand the man is arrested and not less than 725 thousand of them were shot during the Great Terror of 1937 – 1938, when the Bolshevik state daily killed an average of a thousand (!) of its citizens. Reaching, finally, through incredible efforts and sacrifices through 17 years to the 40-th year of indicators of the year of the 13-th imperial Russia the country was on the verge of war, if not with the Anglo-French coalition, then with the countries of the central axis, for sure. Due to illiterate command and control of the Army and repressions before the war, most of the 28 million people who died were in the first period of World War II, and this, not counting the deportees and deportees... I will not dwell on a further excursion into the history of the country sold by its apologists for green candy wrappers overseas funds.
            And ask a question, why and who needed all this? If after 74 of the year we were back in ... well, in the same place, like the 17 and 21-23 years?
            And no matter what, some revolutionaries still get hurt, damn it. History does not teach anything ...
            1. yak69
              yak69 24 July 2013 17: 01 New
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              Quote: Apologet.Ru
              And I ask the question, why and who needed all this? If after 74 of the year we were back in ... well, in the same place, like the 17 and 21-23 years?

              Yes, as there was no industrialization in the shortest possible time, and no breakthrough in science and technology! Well, this Soviet power did nothing for 74 years! Only people ruined and starved!
              This is all according to your liberal version, dear.
              Complete mediocrity and defeat. And they won the war by cap-slaughter. And the Germans are fools that such mediocre leaders as Stalin, Zhukov, etc. lost the war outright!
              You, probably, have taken information from pigyidze or from mlechin!
              What can I tell you, gentlemen liberals? ..
              Give time to judge our points of view. We all have not so much left.

              And, please, do not call me a revolutionary. I am not one of them. Although, I know for sure that the Revolution of 17 years is more than just ideas of people. Here was God's providence. Another question is who took advantage of this and how.
              And for the rest, tolerate another year or two (from strength) and, if we still have time and health at that moment, we will discuss my assumptions.
              I will be glad, after a couple of years, to admit that I was mistaken.
              hi
              1. Botanologist
                Botanologist 24 July 2013 21: 46 New
                0
                Quote: yak69
                The 17 revolution of the year is more than just the ideas of people. Here was God's providence. Another question is who took advantage of this and how.


                Yak, read at least a couple of primers on the topic of revolution. "Providence...". It’s time for Comrade Navalny, another visionary of God. Only liberal, but we don’t get used to it, right?
                1. yak69
                  yak69 25 July 2013 12: 14 New
                  0
                  Quote: Botanologist
                  It’s time for Comrade Navalny, another visionary of God. Only liberal, but we don’t get used to it, right?

                  bulk, it’s rather your comrade, but to me like him he’s not at all comrades! Regarding the "blind seers," time will judge us all very soon.
                  But, your speeches about the Revolution, they completely coincide in tone and accusatory orientation with the songs of the liberals. Do you take all this information from piginze and mlechin? Well, admit, open the source, an expert on literacy and historical truth. Where do you get this rotten water? In which liberal swamp?
            2. V. Salama
              V. Salama 26 July 2013 13: 14 New
              +1
              Quote: Apologet.Ru
              , pancake. History does not teach anything ...

              For history to teach, it must be studied, and not according to the Mlechin-Svanidze-Radzin ...
          2. Alexei
            Alexei 24 July 2013 03: 47 New
            +1
            Plus you. I know, I know. I revolutionary wanted food for thought. And history teaches us that it never teaches anyone. wink
            1. Botanologist
              Botanologist 24 July 2013 21: 49 New
              +1
              Quote: Alexej
              And history teaches us that it never teaches anyone


              The story is repeated three times - the first time as a farce, and two more times for dumb people.
      3. fokino1980
        fokino1980 24 July 2013 10: 58 New
        0
        Not comrade "S_mirnov (2)" Calm down the bloodthirsty thief! "The country of revolution does not need !!!! Stop writing crap! am
  2. Russ69
    Russ69 23 July 2013 15: 56 New
    +9
    Bulk answers this in the sense that everyone is cowards. “That your hands dropped?” Where do you show me kettlebells? Where are your shackles? ”

    The only hero ... Straight, the navel of the earth. And how GDP is afraid of him ... laughing
    1. Ulysses
      Ulysses 23 July 2013 17: 53 New
      +2
      Frankly speaking, what is happening with Navalny reminds me of a famous scene where:
      Brick-Bulk
      Zheglov-Putin
      Sharapov, the people watching the situation with his landing.

      And most for Putin-Zheglov (watch the first three minutes):


      As in the situation with Khodorkovsky.
    2. AVV
      AVV 23 July 2013 20: 25 New
      +2
      This provocateur Navalny, and not be the Mayor, but the elder of the cell, and he doesn’t want to do anything more! Then, the next list of Navalny will appear !!! But whoever is not eager for this Democratic Paradise, there’s nothing to be afraid of, but like Gudkov-death !!!
  3. Asgard
    Asgard 23 July 2013 16: 01 New
    16
    The Russian people have built-in "fuses" We do not stray into herds, we do not attack with a pack ...
    if we are going to defend our homeland, then there will be no options to play with us ....
    By the way .. This will happen pretty soon ...
    And the "trigger" will be liberals))) privatizers, officials and policemen (not in vain renamed))
    and they will get theirs ...
    my ...
  4. Stelth
    Stelth 23 July 2013 16: 04 New
    +7
    In Russia, and everywhere, only those who always work and develop will live happily. Laziness goes away and loves his family and homeland. Need less to listen to all the talkers.
    1. Karabin
      Karabin 23 July 2013 18: 00 New
      10
      Quote: Stelth
      In Russia, and everywhere, only those who always work will live happily

      If health will remain by then.
    2. oleg_2003
      oleg_2003 24 July 2013 08: 06 New
      +2
      "We live not as we work, but as we are governed" by the VP of the USSR
      I am also against Navalny, but I need to free myself from foreign invaders.
  5. aksakal
    aksakal 23 July 2013 16: 12 New
    21
    In Russia in the twentieth century there were two three revolutions - two in 17 and one (liberal) in 91. And after all three it only got worse. And rogues and those who initially stirred up the revolution won. The people understood everything, and the people should clearly state to Mr. Navalny where he should go with his revolutionary romance. Let the Udaltsians and others follow there. It is already clear who needs these revolutions, who finances them through Messrs. Targamadze and others.
    Enough of revolutions. Instead, you just need not to tire of putting pressure on the authorities, forming a public request for these or other changes and this or that policy. The authorities react quite sensitively - my observations confirm this. If something causes a public outcry, the authorities react very quickly - they won’t react, they will get relaps of the marsh, but they don’t want to. I really liked how the mayor of one of the districts of Moscow flew for the inappropriate behavior of his wife and himself. To push and press on the authorities with such resonances - improvements will be benefits, the authorities will not go anywhere. And the revolution ... How much can you step on the same rake? Breaking - not building, and its own history, and the latest stories of Libya and Egypt are proof of this - revolutionaries - count! am
    1. arnulla
      arnulla 23 July 2013 16: 34 New
      +4
      Quote: aksakal
      In Russia in the twentieth century there were two three revolutions - two in 17 and one (liberal) in 91. And after all three it only got worse. And rogues and those who initially stirred up the revolution won. The people understood everything, and the people should clearly state to Mr. Navalny where he should go with his revolutionary romance. Let the Udaltsians and others follow there. It is already clear who needs these revolutions, who finances them through Messrs. Targamadze and others.
      Enough of revolutions. Instead, you just need not to tire of putting pressure on the authorities, forming a public request for these or other changes and this or that policy. The authorities react quite sensitively - my observations confirm this. If something causes a public outcry, the authorities react very quickly - they won’t react, they will get relaps of the marsh, but they don’t want to. I really liked how the mayor of one of the districts of Moscow flew for the inappropriate behavior of his wife and himself. To push and press on the authorities with such resonances - improvements will be benefits, the authorities will not go anywhere. And the revolution ... How much can you step on the same rake? Breaking - not building, and its own history, and the latest stories of Libya and Egypt are proof of this - revolutionaries - count! am

      So this is a calculation, a revolution. After revolutions, there is always a mess, lowering the economy, living standards, life expectancy and other things. And one of the main things is that in a geopolitical country, a country that has survived a shock will become a whipping and urging boy for a long time. That’s what the West needs ... From here draw conclusions, who benefits from the liberal swamp ...
      1. leon-iv
        leon-iv 23 July 2013 16: 43 New
        +1
        + Add
        What will need to lead your people to the trough.
        1. Russ69
          Russ69 23 July 2013 16: 51 New
          +3
          Quote: leon-iv
          What will need to lead your people to the trough.

          This is the main thing in almost any revolution now. smile
    2. Apologet.Ru
      Apologet.Ru 23 July 2013 19: 46 New
      +8
      hi
      And I, most of all in this story, amaze Muscovites.
      At first, they, with selfless stupidity, oppose the Civil Code emergency for the collapse of the Union.
      Then they act as funny extras for the Western media during the execution of the White House tanks, supporting Benya Yeltsin.
      Then, with the same childlike spontaneity, they oppose him, accusing him of all mortal sins.
      Now, with the same self-denial and sacrifice in their eyes, they are opposing Putin, the Russian government and parliament.
      But p ... (forgive me my colleagues for my French) is always easier than "tossing and dropping" by pulling the country out of the liberal and d. Democratic crap paid by the State Department ...
      1. tilovaykrisa
        tilovaykrisa 23 July 2013 19: 50 New
        +4
        The dear word "Moskvich" does not mean 12 million people. without migrants, in any city with a population of 300000 or more you can find 10000 personalities without any values ​​and moral principles, or simply hungry, handing out flags to them and holding 100g porridge march correctly using the camera and engaged media to give the impression that it’s coming million "
        If you knew who and how protected the USSR from collapse in Moscow, what kind of people they were, you would never have written such nonsense.
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          1. tilovaykrisa
            tilovaykrisa 23 July 2013 20: 21 New
            +3
            "dashing 90" Colleague, we were thrown out of work on the street, unaware of how to get cards and how to feed our children anyway we knew how this would turn out, we defended the USSR in 91 and 93, but then there was not 1 bulk and not NTV channel , the people were driven insane by hunger, hopelessness, and complete uncertainty, and even in this situation we were shot by tanks, labeled as lepers, and poisoned as enemies of democracy, and I will tell you that if we were fewer than those who decided to climb this in the wave we would just be killed as they smoke, because by the Soviet stupid habit we are accustomed to the rule of law and not shot from tanks. I understand the young “Forgiveness” of the solzhen and other figures broadcasting from the stands, issuing food rations to LGBT activists (we did not know who they were then))) A bunch of anarchists, a young Zhirik, Makashov, and others.
            but the term "Dashing" is already a colleague to 95-2000 refers to theft on the corpse of the state.
        2. Apologet.Ru
          Apologet.Ru 23 July 2013 20: 19 New
          0
          Quote tilovaykrisa
          give the impression that there is a "March of millions"


          Agree hi, a colleague, but not in the "dashing 90" ...

          And similar video is “clogged” by You Tube? do you want more? And this, by the way, is documentary filming, i.e. - fact ...

          Quote tilovaykrisa
          If you knew who and how defended the USSR from collapse in Moscow, what kind of people they were, you would never have written nonsense.

          Nonsense they write on walls and fences, and I express my opinion (how do you know what facts I have on the issue under discussion ?!). If you don’t know how to listen / read this on this site, then I think you should not participate in a public discussion of news ...
          1. serge
            serge 23 July 2013 21: 54 New
            +4
            Yes, there was no fun on the faces of Muscovites when in 1993 the White House was shot. I was there and saw, there was not a drop of blood in their faces, deathly silence, as if they were leading people to be shot. And Muscovites defended this same White House, and then they were shot in batches at the adjacent stadium Krasnaya Presnya (not the deputies from the White House, ordinary people who foolishly came there and who were bred like rabbits). And a narrow stratum of the population comes out to demonstrate against Putin, moreover, one and a half of Jewish nationality, mainly paid for with Western money; and ten times more people came to the demonstration for Putin, and for nothing. No need to summarize the entire population of Moscow and fifty thousand (and in Moscow about 15 million people) paid by the enemies of the bastard, which stirs up the water and riots.
            1. tilovaykrisa
              tilovaykrisa 23 July 2013 22: 26 New
              +2
              And here’s my friend’s plus, for whoever saw this will never want any trouble.
            2. Apologet.Ru
              Apologet.Ru 23 July 2013 22: 40 New
              0
              Yes, there was no fun on the faces of Muscovites when the White House was shot in 1993.

              Of course, I completely agree with you, colleague hi that in this demoralized crowd of “builders of a new Russia” led by the “foreman” there were also Muscovites normal by today's concepts, but ... paying attention to the shots from 8 mines, 07 s even heard applause, and after listening to the comments of the “elite” of the elite , I just belay

              And this, by the way, is documentary shots, and this is a fact ...
  6. Russ69
    Russ69 23 July 2013 16: 14 New
    +5
    To be honest, I also first believed this figure. Even as the last sucker was seduced by his "Rospil" and transferred the money. But after his imaginary activities about which he was reporting there, I realized that pepper is no better than those whom he criticizes.
    Then he corresponded with curators from the United States, sharing grandmothers from Belykh (another beacon of shit democracy) after seizing the distillery factory, Kirovles, and claims from an Italian company. It turns out wherever Navalny has worked everywhere financial shoals.
    And after he was put forward as mayor by Nemtsov, Ryzhkov and other liberal guards, this type calls out nothing besides contempt.
    Just look at the people who move it, everything becomes clear ...
  7. Sergey_K
    Sergey_K 23 July 2013 16: 14 New
    +5
    Because the middle class is tired of carrying parasites on the hump. And the more it becomes, the greater the request for change. First in Moscow, then regions. Definitely, this can not continue anymore.
    1. washi
      washi 23 July 2013 16: 36 New
      10
      And how tired are the people of carrying around their neck crowds of office workers who produce nothing, but receive high salaries and go to Bolotnaya.
      To cut crowds of hamsters, intermediary firms, a bunch of security organizations and everyone in the fields and factories, otherwise there is no one to work with your hands, and your head too - there are not enough engineers
      1. Sergey_K
        Sergey_K 23 July 2013 17: 46 New
        -5
        A good engineer gets good money. A good welder gets good money, often more than an engineer.
        Low-skilled labor, those who work with their hands have never received and will not receive good money. For nothing.

        You probably scribble comments from the field?))
        1. Garrin
          Garrin 23 July 2013 17: 54 New
          +7
          Quote: Sergey_K
          A good engineer gets good money. A good welder gets good money, often more than an engineer.

          Good engineers are now in ... opera, and a good welder is now getting less than the Tajik merchandiser. Revaluation of values ​​has occurred. Can't you see this? By the way, where to get good welders now? In our office, they decided to shake the old days. Of the fifty people, only three had passed the samples. True, I’ll make a reservation, it was about reducing welded, and so - the tracks are boiled from the first presentation (the bulk of the “oldies”)
          1. Sergey_K
            Sergey_K 23 July 2013 19: 21 New
            -1
            Not true. From start to finish. As always, they wanted to pay less and that a good employee? If you want a good welder, pay a good salary.
            1. Garrin
              Garrin 23 July 2013 21: 25 New
              11
              Quote: Sergey_K
              Not true. From start to finish. As always, they wanted to pay less and that a good employee? If you want a good welder, pay a good salary.
              I have no reason to deceive you, just stating the facts, focusing on my office. “Thieves” girl, after graduation, was accepted to the post of “specialist in public relations”, she receives more than two installers and two welders, taken together from my team, per month.
              And you are talking about demand. am
              1. Sergey_K
                Sergey_K 23 July 2013 21: 40 New
                0
                Public office?
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                2. Garrin
                  Garrin 23 July 2013 21: 58 New
                  +4
                  Quote: Sergey_K
                  Public office?

                  There were a state unitary enterprise, and after a raider seizure, Luzhkov became OJSC.
          2. Russ69
            Russ69 24 July 2013 01: 49 New
            0
            Quote: Garrin
            and a good welder now receives less than the Tajik merchandiser.

            My friend is engaged in metal structures. He has a good welder, gets up to 70 thousand. The problem is that you will find good hell.
  8. Yuri Y.
    Yuri Y. 23 July 2013 16: 15 New
    0
    Quote: leon-iv
    exh useless people we rebel bad bida pichal.

    They’re just tired already, it’s nothing good. It remains to hope for power until they bother. Domestic policy is nowhere (mainly corruption), due to foreign, in this situation, while you can vote for it.
    1. leon-iv
      leon-iv 23 July 2013 16: 44 New
      +3
      well, Duc
      The revolution is conceived by romantics, carried out by fanatics, and the villains use their fruits
      1. arnulla
        arnulla 23 July 2013 17: 01 New
        +5
        Quote: leon-iv
        well, Duc
        The revolution is conceived by romantics, carried out by fanatics, and the villains use their fruits

        Present revolutions are not conceived by romantics ...
  9. erased
    erased 23 July 2013 16: 18 New
    +6
    The axiom of times is that a revolution as well as a civil war in Russia are unacceptable and dangerous for the Russian people. For they will lead to the destruction of the country.
    Axiom two - the completely corrupt and corrupt government of the Russian Federation will not lead to anything good.
    Version times - there is a legal and legal way to achieve a change of power.
    Version two - the chance to change the government in a legal way is close to zero due to the use by the authorities and their henchmen of illegal ways to resolve the issue.
    Conclusion - any confrontation of power will be presented as the "hand of the West" or the East or anyone else. The current “oppositionists” are precisely the real agents of influence of the conditional “West”. Theoretically, something can be done, but essentially impossible.
    Summary. The best way out of the systemic crisis of the Russian Federation is Sheremetyevo-2. One of the satirists said this a long time ago, so we consider plagiarism. But true, huh? Or does someone know a different way? Well, share it, if not sorry ...
    1. Russ69
      Russ69 23 July 2013 16: 39 New
      +1
      Quote: erased
      Conclusion - any confrontation of power will be presented as the "hand of the West" or the East or anyone else. The current “oppositionists” are precisely the real agents of influence of the conditional “West”. Theoretically, something can be done, but essentially impossible.

      aksakalsaid a little higher well. It is not necessary to put pressure on the complete change of power, which will lead to some upheavals on any one, but constantly press on the authorities on each issue separately, so even faster something will change for the better and without any revolutions. And those who should do this prefer to sit quietly in the Duma, arranging demarches from time to time.
      When people start blocking roads or something like that for some reason, the reaction of the authorities takes place immediately. It’s just that as a result of these actions, changes are taking place on the ground, if the scale of such actions is larger and the changes will be more significant. Moreover, there are usually no victims.
    2. SPACE
      SPACE 23 July 2013 23: 27 New
      -2
      Quote: erased
      Conclusion - any opposition to power will be presented as the "hand of the West" or the East or anyone else

      Not represented, but there is this
      Quote: erased
      The axiom of times is that a revolution as well as a civil war in Russia are unacceptable and dangerous for the Russian people. For they will lead to the destruction of the country.


      Quote: erased
      Axiom two - the completely corrupt and corrupt government of the Russian Federation will not lead to anything good.

      Misconception, to whom is it sold? Power and power is its own power.
      Quote: erased
      Total. The best way out of the systemic crisis of the Russian Federation is Sheremetyevo-2.

      If you decide that this is the best solution, you better use it because you are no longer you.
      Quote: erased
      Or does someone know a different way?

      Yes, it is not the power that needs to be changed, but the verification, pointing and fighting with criticism.
      1. Karabin
        Karabin 24 July 2013 00: 01 New
        +3
        Quote: SPACE
        and check, point, and fight with criticism.

        On the drum of power, your checks, directions and criticism, if not supported by actions. What actions do you propose?
        1. SPACE
          SPACE 24 July 2013 19: 31 New
          -1
          Quote: Karabin
          On the drum of power your checks, directions and criticism

          What do you mean by power? Power is thousands of people around you, power is even a postman delivering letters ... Who exactly is on the drum ...?
          You don’t like the current power and yesterday didn’t like the power either, but are you sure that tomorrow’s power will suit you, everyone? We must fight not with power, but against scum who fell into power.
          What actions to fight against power, from the beginning find the guilty, then ... a lot of options, buy the SVD, piss him off the fence ... think for yourself, decide for yourself ... and do not gabble about bad power.
          1. Karabin
            Karabin 24 July 2013 23: 39 New
            0
            Quote: SPACE
            What do you mean by power?

            The same as you. Except for the postman.
            Quote: SPACE
            You don't like today's power

            Like / dislike the wrong categories. I don’t even hate this power. Squeamishness is present, looking at lies, cunning and wild unprofessionalism where you have to do something.
            This is not my power, I did not choose it, because I don’t see the future of the country with this power. Therefore, I see no reason to criticize her and point out the flaws. Only a replacement. But you think that the government meets your needs in general, and that the shortcomings can be corrected by verification, guidance and criticism. I asked what actions you are ready to take so that your constructive instructions and criticism reach the authorities. What did you answer me? They gave advice to think and decide for yourself. Only I do not need advice to fix what I think should be replaced.
  10. papss
    papss 23 July 2013 16: 38 New
    +1
    In my opinion, the author is right and wrong at the same time ... sorry for the tautology ... The revolutionary situation, its principle of "the top cannot, the lower classes do not want" has not been canceled yet. Excuse me, where is she in Russia? And And the former may and the latter want ... Liberals do not understand why nothing is happening? Yes, because everything that the liberal media is talking about has no mass character and often it’s a lie ... There really is a big gap between the truth according to “zomboyaschik” and real life ... And besides ... who are they? ... all these fighters for you and me ... Where are they from and how close are they to the people? The origins of their unexpected consciousness of the struggle for us ... Financing this struggle How do they understand our aspirations and problems? And most importantly, are they sincere fighters ... People cannot be fooled by old methods ...
  11. mogus
    mogus 23 July 2013 16: 40 New
    +3
    publications appeared, the essence of which is to accuse the Russian middle class of insufficient radicalism and unwillingness to make revolutions.
    But do we need it (revolution)?

    all over the world, the middle class enters the square to overthrow dictators, the Russian "dissatisfied citizens" do not:
    hde our dichtator?

    The author is ashamed of the target audience - that’s corruption, and alienation from the ruling political elite, and the “clan-capitalist” regime, in which economic opportunities depend largely on political ties
    and the paid opposition is the best alternative?

    Anal, Oval, Funeral - aaaaaa, woooo! Bulk! What did you want to say?
    Bulk responds to this in the sense that everyone is a coward. “What have you got your hands down? Where are you, show me the weights on your legs? Where are your shackles? ”“ No one has the right to say now: “I have such a bad life, I have three children, I take care of my grandmothers, so I don’t care about politics.” “The typical cowardice that everyone is trying to wrap into the design of some rational reflection on utility or harm,” “to say that everyone who goes to the rally is in danger, not. We came up with some kind of nonsense: we will all be beaten and imprisoned. Kill and plant all impossible. " And calls feasible to participate.
    - with such a set of welter somewhere else marks lol tongue
  12. a
    a 23 July 2013 16: 41 New
    +1
    In my understanding, we have not yet formed a middle class.
    as for calls to the barricades (if I understood the author of the article correctly), then there are no calls. there are separate decisions of the authorities that cause rejection by a certain group of society. but it all started with the power itself, which behaves very stupidly. she shouldn’t be so brazenly cheating in the elections. and there would be no swamp. in our country, even if the parliament is completely oppositional, this will not interfere with the authorities in any way. the question is, why was there a city fence with 146% of voters? but our power is dumb. therefore, everything is done through .. one place .. and in the end, deservedly, gets the discontent of a certain population
  13. yanus
    yanus 23 July 2013 16: 44 New
    +5
    The idea of ​​revolutionizing the middle class is at least stupid. All “as if liberals” shout to the middle class - “You are not, you are smart, educated, independent! Forward to change!”
    But unlike the very "cattle", the "middle class" is usually really smart and educated, and therefore it does not lead to stupid slogans. Moreover, the more absurd slogans, the greater the rejection of "opposition leaders." This is clearly seen in the rallies of the “swamp” - at first they gathered a lot of people, and then abruptly waned.
    Now, rallies are a kind of flash mob, a reason to talk.
  14. SPACE
    SPACE 23 July 2013 16: 45 New
    +1
    Navalny’s own snout to the nines, he has, in Aeroflot, there’s money, he’s got time, so he won’t fight / loung about the happy life of others laughing yeah, I contacted the amers with the others from the 5 column, so they believed him in his good intentions, in short let them all go to the forest. Whatever power is, there are always those who are not satisfied, power to change, senseless occupation, any power must grow, mature, learn, so to speak ... "Bread must be shared, well-fed" .... And as for the strikers, for me this category is stupid, it is the narrow-minded, and stupid loafers whose sheep are walked by the shepherds, such loggers ... without the right of SMS. Well, they will not go on a march of millions against Serdyukov and Co. and demand a sentence to him. They just don’t come up with such slogans, the shepherds don’t need it, this is not their goal, they don’t need a better life in Russia and their common cause unites, the Amers need the collapse of Russia, and the leaders of the 5 convoy hope to become a new government, they are also people I also want to steal, but the rams will remain rams. But it pleases that in Russia there are a lot of sober and rational people who perfectly understand what is what. So the bulk does not have any chances.
  15. JonnyT
    JonnyT 23 July 2013 16: 48 New
    +6
    The middle class is the main pillar of statehood!
    A strong and vast middle class is the key to the unwavering state system!
    No wonder the pseudo opposition calls the workaholic to the barricades - because this is a real strike force! But what for a working person need it? So far, we have not a moron flock, but an educated society of revolutionary ideas "ala nasral struggle against dictatorship in the name of shit democracy" for no reason to provoke the masses into active actions
  16. Nitup
    Nitup 23 July 2013 16: 49 New
    +4
    Bulk's place in prison. And if someone says that they are only planting oppositionists (who are not oppositionists at all, but the real fifth column), then literally yesterday the former governor of the Tula region was sentenced to 9,5 years of strict labor for a bribe of 40 million rubles
    1. Ulysses
      Ulysses 23 July 2013 16: 58 New
      +6
      just yesterday, the former governor of the Tula region was sentenced to 9,5 years of strict labor for a bribe of 40 million rubles

      It’s scary to say a member of United Russia. sad

      Dedicated to the electorate of Navalny ("partners") (some people like to step on the old rake):
  17. Mikhail3
    Mikhail3 23 July 2013 16: 49 New
    +5
    Under the "middle class", those who appeal to Navalny’s audience have just a strictly defined group of people. These are the people who use some gadgets, form a certain group of requests when they are online, and their thinking is formed by a strictly defined education. That is, to be honest, this is a group of the latest mental slaves.
    Those people whom I dreamed about and which, to some extent, were formed by our compatriot, the founder of Facebook. The fruits of an “information-open society” are when the brains are information-open to the manipulation of simple information tools. This is the environment through which the new "masters of the world" are going to rule this world. It is enough to pull the necessary lever lightly - and the faultlessly trained Facebookbook dutifully and happily jumps in the given direction. The fact that at the same time his country can be destroyed (as happens for example in Egypt) is completely inaccessible to the manipulated mind.
    They, the new rulers, were just out of luck. Firstly, it was necessary to use the skipper ten years earlier, before it was completely ready. They could not cope with the economy, trembling in greedy hands failed ... Secondly, in the brains of the main, natural opponents there were much more difficulties than they would like. Yes, as it turned out, you can confuse the Russian consciousness. Alas ... True, this is accompanied by massive degradation of the individual. Of course, not all facebookies will cut wives to pieces. But these are weak, sluggish, amorphous people, jelly-like, none ... will you light the flame of revolution from them? So, the stinky exhaust of the “revolution” and that’s all ... Therefore, those who have a strong will will easily suppress their miserable speeches, and the manipulations themselves are not yet affected. Until...
  18. Smersh
    Smersh 23 July 2013 16: 51 New
    +1
    The people are just too lazy (I wouldn’t go to rallies because I’m too lazy, or I don’t want to)
  19. Neo1982
    Neo1982 23 July 2013 16: 51 New
    +1
    Putin needs street support
  20. PPL
    PPL 23 July 2013 16: 54 New
    +1
    The absence of clear criteria for assessing middle class membership leads to a significant discrepancy in the self-determination of the population on this issue.
    Let the people live in peace - without barricades and revolutions.

    Quotation from Wikipedia: The history of liberalism in Russia is largely contradictory. An influential part of society believed that in order to solve internal political problems and to overcome the economic lag behind Western countries, it was necessary to adopt their experience and carry out reforms. Due to these circumstances, during various periods, the liberal initiative was shown by the heads of state, aristocracy and intelligentsia. As most historians note, these efforts were not based on a political program and therefore often suffered from copying Western decisions without due regard for Russian realities, led to unforeseen results and discredited themselves in the eyes of society.
    Vobschem everything, like Chernomyrdin: "They wanted the best, but it turned out ..."
  21. bubalik
    bubalik 23 July 2013 16: 55 New
    +3
    It’s been a century without 4 years since we rebelled once, until now we’ve been dismantling all the enmity of "who is white and who is red" and who is like that. Bleed with each other. As they say, look for someone profitable
  22. Bigriver
    Bigriver 23 July 2013 17: 32 New
    +2
    "Here under the eloquent headline “Contrary to the trends” the author writes that while the whole middle class is entering the square to overthrow dictators, the Russian "dissatisfied citizens" do not ... "

    TREND is a non-Russian word denoting a concept for manipulating an audience.
    In general, the appearance of this word in our everyday life is a disturbing symptom. This is nothing more than a chip, label, badge, the owner of which is trying to operate on the human masses.
    I remember Ksenia Sobchak who "left untimely" us. She completely surrendered to the trend "To the barricades, against the state, for the Freedom of Everything."
    I welcome her trend-related fate laughing
    We won’t pass any trends!
  23. vlad.1924
    vlad.1924 23 July 2013 17: 46 New
    +4
    Yes, there is no “middle class” in Russia and people don’t have to fool their minds with various petty-bourgeois foreign theories ... There are rich, poor and homeless people, who for some reason became more than in Soviet times ...
  24. Karabin
    Karabin 23 July 2013 18: 17 New
    +6
    What is the article about, what is the middle class? What a revolution? We cannot even organize in a normal union. But when the authorities bring the country to a pen, there will be rebellion, by itself, senseless and merciless. And nobody will remember about bulk and other mink revolutionaries. And about the good of the motherland, by the way, too.
  25. Bersaglieri
    Bersaglieri 23 July 2013 18: 36 New
    +1
    Quote: yak69
    It is not clear to me what kind of middle class does the author broadcast? Is there a middle class in Russia ?! Show where he is, how he looks, how many of his number ?!
    The vast majority of citizens below the poverty line! The rest, also a huge part, simply survives - from a penny to a penny. In the world (western, "civilized"), it is generally accepted that if more than half of the salary of citizens goes to food, taxes, payments, transport, then this citizen will no longer be able to exist and develop normally, because he has no money left to restore health, rest (travel, travel), training (books, theaters, courses). That is, he is doomed to degradation!
    In our country, the income structure is approximately the same: 0.5% oligarchs, 2% rich people, about 3% whose income is above 100 tr. per month, about 4% from 80 to 100 tr, the remaining 90% is that same large segment of the population whose incomes do not exceed 20-50 tr per month. And this is actually an optimistic picture.
    And this is a very crushed layer of the population, but if it already begins to murmur and its murmur is heard louder, then soon it will become no joke !.

    That's right. +
  26. Odysseus
    Odysseus 23 July 2013 18: 39 New
    -2
    The article is a very inept attempt to support the Russian authorities by creating the myth of "bad liberals undermining Russian statehood" and "statesmen opposing them."
    In fact, after 1991 a regime of bourgeois dictatorship, quite typical for the countries of "peripheral capitalism", was established in Russia. However, Russia as a state developed on fundamentally different ideological and economic foundations and cannot exist under capitalism. Therefore, as the Soviet legacy is consumed, it will inevitably fall apart. Question only in the price of oil and in the state of a nuclear shield. Moreover, already in the 90s it was clear that the government would soon "split." One part of it would insist on the conservation of the situation (that is, its capital) within the framework of the existing RF, and the other to continue the "course of reforms" despite the fact that maintaining the borders of Russia will not be considered an indispensable condition for these reforms.
    At the same time, both parts (conditionally Putin’s group and Navalny’s group) will strive to take control or pursue all socialist and even nationalist organizations raising the issue of dismantling all this bourgeois dictatorship.
    The question is how to "unite honestly" and create a social movement / party capable of dismantling the entire social system created in 1991. And is it worth it to use the struggle of some predators against others.
    1. Lightindark
      Lightindark 23 July 2013 18: 49 New
      -5
      support hi The countries of the former USSR, including Russia, remained on the periphery of civilization. Despite the relative economic well-being of the latter
      1. tilovaykrisa
        tilovaykrisa 23 July 2013 19: 21 New
        +4
        Well, then you are ahead of Civilizations, ahahaaaa. The question is, do we want to be ahead of you? Yes, the Russians with you in the same field ... they won’t sit down, not talking about the rest.
        You are you, and we are we, the trick is that we do not give a shit about you, but we do not give you peace. Forward the nation, racists, colonialists, world fat people and a bunch of sex-damaging ones, forward into your bright future, but only without us.
        1. Lightindark
          Lightindark 23 July 2013 21: 45 New
          -8
          You better explain how you mocked the smaller nations, destroyed their language, culture, created the prison for hundreds of years .... And now the Russian government continues the same policy .... the last shirt is removed from the Ukrainians
          1. tilovaykrisa
            tilovaykrisa 23 July 2013 22: 27 New
            +3
            Well, you’ll talk about mockery))) we are just before your naughty sheep.
            1. Lightindark
              Lightindark 23 July 2013 22: 53 New
              -2
              Such lambs would be worse than a seasoned wolf :))) .... Essentially nothing to say ... so go crazy .... then the mats are trying to personally offend me personally, that's what you tilovaykrisa
          2. Raven1972
            Raven1972 23 July 2013 22: 55 New
            +3
            Quote: Lightindark
            You better explain how you mocked the smaller nations, destroyed their language, culture, and created the prison of nations for hundreds of years ...

            Yes ? What kind of annihilation of small nations is this if Georgians still speak and write Georgian, Armenians in Armenian, how did the northern peoples live and live so? Where is the prison and destruction, where is the mockery of them? Not only that, all of the above and others like them had their own culture, so they preserved it and no one deprived them of it ... So don’t do it ...
            1. Lightindark
              Lightindark 23 July 2013 23: 13 New
              -2
              and glory to GOD that there are no more prisons of nations ... Small countries always suffer from large ones .... Example-Russia crushes Ukraine economically ... it's just ridiculous, Ukraine pays more than Germany. Nonsense .... The Russian authorities are cynical about the fraternity .... What kind of brother is this that offends his brother? Not to mention the imposition of non-proprietary treaties on the Black Sea Fleet.
              1. Raven1972
                Raven1972 23 July 2013 23: 31 New
                +2
                Quote: Lightindark
                and glory to GOD that there are no more prisons of peoples ..

                So it didn’t exist, or do you think that during the USSR, Georgians were forced to forget their language and culture? Or in the Russian Empire?
                And about Ukraine - I am very good with Ukrainians, and I also have enough friends from Ukraine, and I don’t remember something that they were forbidden to speak and write Ukrainian, forbidden to dance gopak wearing national clothes, in schools teaching was in 2 languages .... hi
                And the fact that they have to pay more than Germany is a question for their independent authorities ... And not for us ...
                Quote: Lightindark
                Not to mention the imposition of non-proprietary treaties on the Black Sea Fleet.

                And what are they disadvantageous?
                1. Lightindark
                  Lightindark 24 July 2013 01: 27 New
                  -2
                  They pay pennies for rent .. take at least 100 years, but pay the rental price for the rent .... gas is exorbitant, and then a divorce ... steed and shame
              2. Denis
                Denis 23 July 2013 23: 41 New
                +4
                Quote: Lightindark
                and glory to GOD that there are no more prisons of peoples ... Small countries always will suffer from large ....
                The most furious neophyte fans, has a green card been received long ago?
                All the same, there’s no reason to shame on a country that mistakenly raised and fed such a freak
                1. Lightindark
                  Lightindark 24 July 2013 01: 37 New
                  0
                  And who are you, "handsome" to tear off the mitt and judge others? Take a mirror and take a look ... you get confused in determining whether you or I. Probably too much on the chest for courage .... well, nothing will beat you up a bit and let you go
          3. mogus
            mogus 24 July 2013 02: 55 New
            +4
            are there concrete examples of rotting? Shorets, on this site, is grateful to the arrival of the Slavs. Ask the Buryats how they live next to us ... In the 90s, only the Caucasus was hit with urine in the head, the rest was normal.
  27. luka095
    luka095 23 July 2013 19: 05 New
    +7
    There is nothing new in Navalny’s interview. The idea that the people are to blame for something (for example, does not go to the barricades, or does not vote correctly, or does something else wrong — everyone can add ...) is practically present in all such statements of the so-called opposition. Well, they got the wrong people !!! Some kind of wrong.
    And where does the so-called middle class? In what revolutions was he an active force? Yes, no! Here are some representatives of this so-called class were, so to speak, at the “helm” of revolutions. So I want to steer the current! I will not even say that our "opposition" is practically working on orders ...
    A plus article.
  28. tilovaykrisa
    tilovaykrisa 23 July 2013 19: 20 New
    +6
    It’s just that the Russian people have a memory at the “Oret” genetic level that any unrest leads to even greater troubles, and that there are always those who push us toward it, the middle class understands perfectly well that at least some stability will go away with Putin and chaos will most likely begin , the middle class is not stupid, he knows how to analyze the current external situation and understands what this threatens his homeland with, and unlike the Oligarchs' Layer, there’s basically no where to run. So people do not want to rock the boat in which they are sitting. Well, these bulk schnavalnye, Alekseevs and others are working to achieve their own interests, they need a sinking boat.
    1. Sergey_K
      Sergey_K 23 July 2013 19: 23 New
      +9
      On the one hand, yes, but on the other? How much can thieves in power endure? Power has become a closed ecosystem; people from outside don't get there. This is a very dangerous path.
      1. tilovaykrisa
        tilovaykrisa 23 July 2013 19: 27 New
        +6
        I’m opening my eyes to you, it has always been like that and not only with us, hence the terms went like “power elites” It’s just that unlike the USSR, social elevators do not work, that’s the whole story.
      2. Ulysses
        Ulysses 23 July 2013 20: 40 New
        +4
        Plus sign.
        But revolution never replaced a social elevator.
        Rather, an outright foam splashed out to power, the destruction of the “Leninist guard” by Stalin was inevitable in the conditions of the formation of a single sovereign country.
        (as well as the acceleration of the Comintern),
        1. vezunchik
          vezunchik 23 July 2013 21: 19 New
          +2
          The so-called "Leninist Guard" - the Trotsky Kamenev Zinoviev Sokolovsky and others like them appeared in Russia in the summer of 17 years and before that the ileas belonged to another party or actively undermined the work of the CPSU
  29. Mareman Vasilich
    Mareman Vasilich 23 July 2013 21: 00 New
    +1
    Any upheavals and revolutions are only in the hands of the enemy! Liberasts and Tolerasts are no less evil than war and revolution.
  30. valokordin
    valokordin 23 July 2013 21: 17 New
    +3
    I look at the comments and wonder if I probably didn’t read them, or maybe they didn’t teach them how V.I. Lenin (please do not mischief) assessed the revolutionary situation - this is when the tops cannot manage in the old way, and the lower classes do not want to live in the old way. The president according to Leninsky assesses the situation: you never know what the lower classes do not want, but the upper circles can still manage society in a corrupt way, according to the old.
  31. kartalovkolya
    kartalovkolya 23 July 2013 21: 22 New
    +1
    Things are not brilliant at the fifth column, there are a lot of fools in Russia (except for fairy tales, and that is to mislead “partner-friends”), and bells are, as they say: “... the family has its black sheep.” , this is not the contingent (just jumped from a palm tree).
    1. tilovaykrisa
      tilovaykrisa 23 July 2013 22: 28 New
      0
      Forgive me, for the time being, there is still some saying that they have human capital here, but it has become smaller, which cannot but rejoice.
  32. 128mgb
    128mgb 23 July 2013 21: 25 New
    -2
    Quote: vlad.1924
    There are rich, poor and homeless people, whom for some reason became more than in Soviet times ...

    In Soviet times there were no homeless people, there were scourges.
    Quote: Lightindark
    support hi The countries of the former USSR, including Russia, remained on the periphery of civilization.

    A civilized person means educated, educated means tactful, tactful person will not tell another that it is not pleasant. Tell me, are you a civilized person?
    1. tilovaykrisa
      tilovaykrisa 23 July 2013 22: 34 New
      +3
      Not for the United States, they have a civilized “LGBT member”. weighing 150 kg with suicidal tendencies and sitting on Vicodin, while always watching a zombo device for 6 hours a day. "Well, I forgot, a small flag on the lawn commemorating the genocide of the indigenous population.
    2. Lightindark
      Lightindark 23 July 2013 23: 34 New
      -1
      It’s problematic to be tactful on a Russian site, as much as I wouldn’t want to ... they’ll peck. Look and read komenty especially comrade tilovaykrisa. You do not find very civilized comments? The degree of civilization depends on many things, places and people with whom you communicate. Nenad generalize.
  33. igorgar
    igorgar 23 July 2013 21: 38 New
    +5
    The first words of Navalny after the pre-trial detention center were about the rebellion: “If necessary, we will turn the cars over.” Interesting whose? Probably ordinary Muscovites, but this guy will not light up there, because he is a simple provocateur. As for his electorate pederasts, I propose for them the slogan: “Anal is our president.” Who wants anarchy, I wish that they and their loved ones suffer first.
    1. tilovaykrisa
      tilovaykrisa 23 July 2013 22: 30 New
      +4
      The dog will turn my dog ​​over to Flyukha, I won’t see what a semi-liberal sex, I’ll break his head in a state of affection and let him be considered a hirelings of the Kremlin, and the neighbor’s logan will touch off the anus with exhaust fumes at the nearest churchyard.
  34. serge
    serge 23 July 2013 22: 35 New
    +2
    The middle class traditionally means that category of population which under the existing power will live well and stable and which the existing power in any state will not change under any circumstances. Attempts to push this middle class into revolution are obviously doomed to failure always and everywhere, including ours. Now, if this "class" is sharply impoverished and turns into lumpen, then yes, the breeding ground for the revolution is evident. But we don’t have that. The well-being of the middle strata (not class, it sounds loud) of the population in the 2000s grew, and it was thanks to Putin that everyone grew. Everyone knows that. Therefore, only lunatics or people on a salary who receive money from an external enemy precisely because they stir up water will go to protest against the current government. What really happens. In addition, there is a fresh experience of the revolution of the 80s-90s, which led to a sharp deterioration in the welfare of the people. As a result, the people, and especially the middle strata of the population, realized that the revolution would lead to impoverishment, and, with suspicion and without love for the current government, were counter-revolutionary. The Americans will not be able to rock the middle sections of the population; we have neither Libya nor Egypt. Therefore, they act in several directions at once - in parallel with the cries of dictatorship, they incite ethnic and religious hatred. This is done with the help of Russian media, which are trying to pit Russians with other nationalities of the Russian Federation. The broad mass of the Russian population, however, cannot be stirred up into national enmity. As a result, since the lower classes want to live in the old way, and the upper classes can still lead in the old, nothing will come of it. There is no revolutionary situation. The export of the revolution failed.
    1. tilovaykrisa
      tilovaykrisa 23 July 2013 22: 39 New
      +3
      "incite ethnic and religious hatred"
      Plus, look at the root, they are working out the benefit at the moment in Syria.
  35. Consul-t
    Consul-t 23 July 2013 22: 46 New
    +4
    Yes, he went, this Navalny ... to where the court sent ...
    A fighter for the people, his mother ...
    1. sashka
      sashka 23 July 2013 23: 21 New
      +2
      Quote: Consul-t
      A fighter for the people, his mother ..

      So after all, Serdyukov did not arbitrarily take his post. After all, he was appointed .. Who did more harm. Serdyuk or Bulk ..
  36. sashka
    sashka 23 July 2013 22: 58 New
    +3
    Article of "dubious" quality. Dual. Where does the "middle" class come from? And what are the criteria for its appearance? Goons and paupers. Something in between? Only a fat minus. There is no reason for its appearance and existence. Or or. Or you are deceiving the state or not .. And then you just “.” The state decided to play “gambling” games changing the rules during the game and reinforcing with stupid slogans. Other “led oneself”. Elementary ..
  37. sashka
    sashka 23 July 2013 23: 04 New
    +5
    With a proposed salary of 5-8 thousand, there can’t be a “middle” class by definition .. Only beggars .. Plant named after Uritsky in Engels. Engineer is a programmer for CNC machines. 8 required ..
  38. Olegovi4
    Olegovi4 24 July 2013 01: 31 New
    +1
    Quote: tilovaykrisa
    the middle class understands perfectly well that with Putin at least some stability will leave and chaos will very likely begin


    I support your opinion. It is better to work than running with a gun to lose loved ones. The middle class wants peace, stability, wants to work to raise children, to help parents. Revolution is chaos, it is war. The liberals want a revolution, they want a war, apparently they have nothing to lose. Or maybe it's fun for them, party. But they cannot understand that they are the first to be "buried". Ancestors said - A thin world, better than a good quarrel.
  39. Muadipus
    Muadipus 24 July 2013 02: 01 New
    +3
    A typical cowardice that everyone is trying to wrap in the design of some rational reflection on usefulness or harm ”,“ to say that everyone who goes to the rally is in danger is impossible. We came up with some kind of nonsense: we will all be beaten and imprisoned. It’s impossible to kill and imprison everyone. ”


    But there was nothing to confuse the “hamsters” who were outraged by the elections to the State Duma and for the first time showed their civic position and went to a rally, confused with the Nazis, thrasvestites and other rabble. People went to express their dissatisfaction with falsification, and the opposition gathered a significant audience and began to carry their revolutionary ideas to the masses. so get it. They discredited themselves.

    There, feminists, spread their plague without revolutions. And the law on rallies was adopted only because of such screamers. It is not necessary to fight with the Authority; it must be educated. On the example of the guys "Stop Ham" who do not seek to build traffic police.

    I am also not happy with much of what, but I will never go to a rally where there will be flags of nationalists, homosexuals, etc.

    I do not want, with my presence, to support the State Department song of Nemtsov, Udaltsov, and the like, bearing from the stage.

    I am ready to show a civic stand, but not where they call for revolution. Revolution is chaos, lawlessness, hunger and arbitrariness ... I do not want this. I am a representative of that middle class, I don’t want to be afraid to leave the house, read about gang warfare again, and how power-sharing people shoot each other, how miners go on hunger strike and desperate people commit self-immolation.

    I want to read about sudden large-scale exercises, about gold medals of athletes, about how Russia bent everyone at the G7 + 1 summit, about Syria conquering world American banditry, about our fifth generation fighters and about ours (I was in shock) The economy is now 5th in the world. I like to read that the bourgeois envy us that we have such a President as Putin, we can argue a lot about him, but the fact that he is “handsome” and showed what qualities a country's leader should have is a fact recognized in the world. I would also read (I hope I will wait) about how the court pronounced the sentence "Higher Measure" to Serdyukov. So when Serdyukov will be shot, then it will be clear that Russia has risen from its knees.


    But I do not want to read about Navalny.
    In short .. IMHO Thief should be in prison.
    1. Muadipus
      Muadipus 24 July 2013 02: 39 New
      +1

      I here under point 1 and 4 would not subscribe. There is nothing to put all the eggs in one basket.
  40. ratuld
    ratuld 24 July 2013 03: 59 New
    0
    The middle class in Russia is judges, prosecutors, cops, faces and officials with deputies. This is the STATE. As for the COUNTRY, the population quite rightly scores all calls and laments of both the state and the opposition. Let all these guys understand themselves. The country has incomparably more choices in life than all gospel friends. So let's wait and see. And there is nothing to add.
  41. Crocodile
    Crocodile 24 July 2013 04: 58 New
    +1
    Quote: leon-iv
    Here, under the eloquent heading “Contrary to Trends,” the author writes that while the whole middle class goes to the square to overthrow dictators, the Russian “dissatisfied citizens” do not: “The almost complete absence of references to Russia in numerous publications of reports and articles about today's global uprising of the middle class and forecasts of the development of the trend can be explained by the fact that either researchers do not see us as any middle class, or they consider it simply asleep. "

    And the approach is very subtle. It seems that there is almost no middle class in the country, and by itself no more than 10%, and the scope is far away ... http: //chelyabinsk.ru/text/newsline/399196.html
    So, the LHB.E.a.s.st.was swung to the floor of the country ... Well, people in our country do not want to consider themselves poor!
  42. Neo1982
    Neo1982 24 July 2013 08: 18 New
    +2
    For some reason, many people think that NPOs and other foreign elements are such a fifth column as Navalny, who wants to divide the country. Of course, they want to divide the country, but the truth is that Navalny is just a punitive detachment of the occupier, and they have already been in power since 1991, when the country came under external control, and has not been freed since. We need a national revolution, and while PUTIN is the NATIONAL LEADER in the Kremlin, this can and should be done peacefully.
  43. saber
    saber 24 July 2013 08: 34 New
    0
    the problem is that the fish rots from the head, and until there are fair elections at all levels, neither the middle nor the lower class will achieve anything. All (!) We are against health care reform and education, so what? Someone listened to us? until the cobblestone in the window arrives at the Minister, nothing will change. so there are two options - either fair elections or cobblestones. I am for the elections!
    1. shinobi
      shinobi 24 July 2013 10: 29 New
      +2
      Funny, here in our city of Angarsk, Irkutsk region, the mayor was popularly elected with the support of the communists. Ah, how he broadcast beautifully, the miracle is simple! .Why is it me? And to the fact that everyone knows who specifically is responsible for the fact that nichrome is not being done in the city, well, once the mayor, leave me alone, but for some reason Putin and the government are being bullied. And not the one you chose. Paradox however .

      PS: To change the country to begin with, you need to change the mentality of its population.