Why ideologies stop working - and which one works now

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“The power in Russia must be strong! Ideology - monolithic! This is not a joke and not a thing for banter. It is a question of the survival of our people and each of us individually. It’s time for us to remember it very well and pass it on to school books in future generations ... ”

The given reasonings, in my opinion, are reasonable, correct and exact. I can only recommend them to everyone who wishes to familiarize themselves with them. Some dissonance is caused only by exclamation marks in moralite. To what they where there are enough points. Calmly, without exaltation, for an axiom: the power in Russia must be strong, and the ideology must be monolithic. Rather, the ideology should be monolithic, and with such an option for a strong power, be calm, it will not matter. The problem, however, is that there is no ideology today at a quite official level ...

In fact, the state is always ideological. Even if formally declares the opposite. Another thing is that loud ideologies like “Freedom, Equality, Brotherhood”, “God is with us” or “We will destroy the whole world of violence!” Being irrational in fact, giving society a powerful impulse, are erased in the second generation and completely disappear in the third, having turned into a duty set of slogans - and then, in the dry residue, the main thing for which an ordinary person lives on ordinary ground falls out.

And, it would seem, ideally grounded “Get Rich”, with samovars and canaries in every home, suitable for all ordinary people, this again turns out to be impossible. For it is also impossible to get rich so that no one with a guarantee leaves the offended, and to correct this injustice under the slogan “Take it away and divide!” Means only to launch a barrel organ in a new way.

Here, perhaps, it would be necessary to slow down and disassemble each of these ideologies by bone, showing and proving its irrationality. But I will not. It will take a lot of time, even though, in fact, it is not necessary: ​​I count on people who are sufficiently trained not to chew on something that has already been chewed. We state the fact: the trouble of the Russian Federation is precisely in the absence of an idea for which it lives at all.

T. n. “Liberal values” no longer work. The notorious “Get Rich!”, Which gave the opportunity to ruin the Union, are already embarrassed to say it out loud; Those lucky are enriched secretly, pretending that they do not see the reaction of those who are not lucky and no longer lucky, and who are not at all sorry for the power, where they will never get rich.

And “God is with us!” Does not turn on the masses either. Attempts are evident, but they do not give any effect, for the simple reason that the official speakers of God's word fit perfectly into the existing paradigm.

And “To destroy the whole world of violence” also — at least, in a mass order — no one breaks, for once the proletariat had nothing to lose except its chains, and now there is very much to lose, but for the sake of what it is not known and losing in order to come down new flies, meaningless.

And “Freedom! Equality! Brotherhood! ”Aka“ You give democracy ”also, if anyone is lit, then perhaps a very successful“ minority ”about itself; all the rest - not with the mind, so with a bum-ass - recoil, subconsciously realizing that, in fact, the same “Enrich yourself!” is offered, only in a different wrapper.

Already I hear: what about the “Nation above all”?

Did not forget. I will definitely tell you.

There is such a card in the deck. The last trump card that is thrown when it is already completely seams. By “nation” it is not a political community, but “blood relationship”. That is, the unity of totems, tattoos, taboos and tomtoms, bequeathed by the First-Fore-Wolf. Or Crocodile. Or some other representative of the fauna.

This is, I repeat, the most extreme case. The fullest, more abruptly than the previous varieties, is irrationalism, densely mixed in primitive mysticism and suggesting the search for, and then the elimination of the enemy with a different First-ancestor, who is to blame for all troubles.

Here, the calculation is on a stupid mass, on youngsters and on offended, dissatisfied with what they see, but do not understand the reasons and searching for simple solutions in convulsions. And the consequences are consistent. Just because, even if we succeed in cleaning out all the “alien Tutsis” at the root, it will soon become obvious that the problems have not gone away, and “their Hutus” are also enriched by the Hutus who have not been lucky. Without any amendments to the Call of Blood.

And what remains?

What is to build the very, damn, ideology, without which nothing?

The answer, in my opinion, is.

He may be wrong, but I do not think so.

Remember the triad: "For God, the King and the Fatherland!"

Throwing away all the superficial, the "God" of this formula is a certain Higher Justice. That is, when all is not perfect, but at least not bad. The “king” of this formula is a certain guarantor of Higher Justice specifically here and now. And “Fatherland” is a common, one for all, sum of this justice, implemented in practice. That for which it makes sense to live, and if necessary - that is, if someone takes away - to die with weapons in hand.

If we proceed from this, everything is extremely simple.

There was a country that tried to live “in the manner of God”, taking into account the interests of all who inhabited it. If the “Tsar” made failures, it was changed, and the new “Tsar” put the system in order.

And then there was a collapse. The single economy was torn apart, in certain areas they put the supervisors with evil dogs, they turned all the others from co-owners into powerless laborers - and everyone, except supervisors and dogs, is bad.

Proceeding from this, the only option to fix everything remains to return your own. Not an inch of a stranger, but his - to the drop. In order to use their ports and pipes again, without paying for transit, so that their relatives in a single moment became more on 25-30 millions and didn’t have to complain about the dominance of the “distant relatives” in order ... so that ... damn it!

This is certainly not an option for everyone. Here and the fork, and even an ax under the bench a little. But with a big gun that evil neighbors are afraid of, you can try. Winning is not guaranteed, but loss is not guaranteed. And - yes! - if only there was no war. War is the worst. But wars are different, and external war does not always go into a hot phase, but it is more terrible than internal war, which Russia is now trying to impose on the outside, from nowhere, there is nothing at all.

That's all. Who does not understand, I will not chew.
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  1. +3
    23 July 2013 15: 58
    Although the author expresses his thoughts boldly, he is right, damn it!
    Belief in God / Allah no longer rolls over for ideology, the USSR is no longer relevant, because The new generation, however.
    Justice is what you need, but they will only begin to believe in it when the words end and the actions begin.
    A thief must be in prison, taxes must be fair, salaries, prices, state. Management, but in almost every area lacks this.
    But then again, this should go both above and below.
    Sitting on the couch / bench / at the computer and writing how bad things are - nothing will ever change.
    I and many have many personal examples.
    1. +2
      23 July 2013 16: 22
      For the good, all methods are good!
    2. yak69
      +7
      23 July 2013 17: 50
      Quote: Draz
      USSR is no longer relevant, because The new generation, however.

      USSR 2.0 is more relevant than ever! Young forces are joining the ranks of this project and are quite active and numerous. I often attend meetings of Kurginyan with representatives of new cells from all over the country. People under 28 years old !!! It surprised me at first - those who really do not remember the Union. Then I understood and heard - they want a normal life, social justice, where the country is MY, ETERNAL, OUR, and not Prokhorov, Abramovich, etc. They genetically felt the right way, they (young) want positive changes. A positive is not possible in principle, if many around you feel bad! Young people want the future, stability, self-esteem and pride in their country! They do not want a constant psychosis of money-grubbing!
      We need to understand the main thing: there is the only true way out of the tragic situation - the restoration of the USSR, on the basis of the only synthetic ideology-communism. But updated, taking into account the mistakes of the past.
      There is simply no other way !! Understand this.
      And the sooner they all understand, the faster we can get back on the right track.
      1. +7
        23 July 2013 20: 38
        To be honest, people want a revival of the USSR, because everything that Russia has today is laid down under Stalin (space, army, science, education, medicine, art), moreover, we, the people, are used to being meaningful, first, strong, fair. In 1990 they deprived us of this!

        But is there any difference between the USSR and what I have indicated above?
        When talking about equality and at least before the law, it will already be 100%
        People want it (justice), and the USSR is now its synonym.
        I myself am not against the USSR 2.0
      2. +1
        23 July 2013 22: 47
        USSR 2 is not bad, even good, and even under the banner of justice, it can happen.
        Sincerely.
      3. +3
        24 July 2013 00: 51
        yak69: USSR 2.0 is more relevant than ever!
        There was a slogan-For our Soviet Motherland! Now For Russia! For regardless of faith, nationality, a person should remain a PATRIOT.
    3. -3
      23 July 2013 19: 47
      Quote: Draz
      Justice is what you need, but they will only begin to believe in it when the words end and the actions begin.

      The worst thing is that the actions are advocated by just those who even try to serve in the army for a year. What actions suit you? Automatic machine in hand and forward -Pump the loot? Return as much as you think was stolen from you?
      Any forceful action will provoke a reciprocal counteraction. And blood from both sides. You are trying to push through a terrible call. Only our people are grated, we have seen not such guardians for Russia.
      1. +4
        23 July 2013 20: 52
        Do not take people under one comb.
        I served in the army, I work and study at the university in absentia.
        What is the loot robbed? Do not invent.
        All that I personally need, I will earn and achieve.
        What actions? Here's an example: I live in a closed joint-stock company in Moscow, do you know why it is considered a good area? Not because the ruble, the "ruble" outside the Moscow Ring Road.
        Because the townspeople are overwhelmingly conscious! I no longer count how much they wanted to build anyhow where shops, garages (instead of playgrounds), everything stumbles upon the coordination of the townspeople with the local authorities (prefecture). If the townspeople are not happy with something, they can complain and problems are solved. Every yard in my area is well-groomed, green, garbage removed, new asphalt laid in the yards, a park was built near the Zvenigorod highway, planted with apple trees, this weekend I went with the girl on a bicycle, I can already eat apples. Karoche, I can still write a lot of things, but the bottom line is that the townspeople do not put a pardon the bolt at all, and if something does not suit them, they boldly write complaints.

        And there is a reverse example: in my house, at a meeting of tenants, it was decided to throw off how much and make major repairs, like a good deed, but there were only two disgusting grandmothers who did not like it, because, I quote "it will be noisy." We began to put a spoke in the wheel to everyone, write complaints demanding the re-election of our chairman (yes, we choose him ourselves).
        Twice they filed a complaint, two times there were elections, two times they lost.

        That’s what I’m talking about!
        Civil position! Nobody wants to live in shit, but those who do nothing shout the most.
        1. +1
          24 July 2013 05: 34
          Quote: Draz
          I live in ZAO Moscow,

          laughing Tell me, dear, another district of Moscow, where you could relax on the beach? Where would the floor of Moscow come to wander through the parks? Where would there be so few enterprises?
          The fact is that it is not the merit of the inhabitants of Moscow that you have so clean and culturally. You yourself have lived almost 30 years in Moscow, right at your place, on Bolshaya Embankment.
          In the provinces of the city, equal in the number of inhabitants to the districts or districts of Moscow, earning much more money, they have a budget at times, and often an order of magnitude smaller. That’s the way. And people advocate for better lives, argue, achieve. But there is no money. They’re not broken up, they haven’t disappeared into nowhere. They simply weren’t laid. Moscow roads are repaired annually, but they don’t repair (except central ones) at all.
          1. 0
            24 July 2013 15: 53
            The point is not that we are doing well, but that problems should be solved by the whole "world"
            And where are the beaches? But there are many parks in Moscow, and not all of them are in CJSC
            http://mospark.ru/parki/uncategorised/parki-po-okrugam-moskvy.html

            Let's specifically!)
            Take one district, and I will find out what and how, if possible;)
            Where there is no money for the road.
      2. yak69
        +1
        23 July 2013 22: 01
        Quote: domokl
        Rob the loot? Return as much as you think was stolen from you?
        Any force action will cause a counter reaction.

        Dear, what are you talking about ?! What loot ?! What kind of blood on both sides ?! What opposition, from whom ?!
        First, all the people are robbed! Do you understand ?! ALL. All those who created this country through their labor are all in poverty.
        Therefore, it is a question of returning what was stolen from its rightful owner and creator to the people.
        The second one. On what sides is blood and who will prevent this (restoration of violated social justice)? Chubais, Prokhorov, Abramovich, Deripaska, etc.? Do you consider them their rightful owners, who have the right to resistance and protection from the people ?!
        I dare to assure you, as soon as the people (in sufficient numbers) wake up and demand their return, all this trash will disappear from Russian soil in an instant. The trouble is that people still believe in Putin's promises (about care and justice). But very soon, even the most patient will wake up and then there will be no conversations, but actions. I'd like to hope that within the (relatively) legal field.

        But in general, dear, you surprised me with such reasoning. what
        1. -2
          24 July 2013 05: 41
          Quote: yak69
          as soon as the people (in sufficient numbers) wake up and demand their return, all this trash will disappear in an instant from the Russian land

          So just say, what do you mean by beautiful words, “As soon as the people wake up? I don’t argue and even support you in putting things in order. There is a law for this. There is a law that needs to be enforced. Some actions are being taken in this direction.”
          But what are you suggesting? I'm tired of reading general phrases. Most of the colleagues are current or former officers. It doesn’t matter what structures, but officers. And we don’t play undercover games. We have called and will call things by their proper names.
          1. yak69
            0
            24 July 2013 07: 15
            Quote: domokl
            Most of the colleagues here are current or former officers. No matter what structures, but officers. And we do not play undercover games. We have called and will call things by their proper names.

            No beautiful and loud phrases! I do not live and work in an airless space. And what is the army I know throughout my life.
            But there are few officers who call a spade a spade (publicly, a power commander), and as a rule they end up in distant garrisons or in prison, like Khabarov and Kvachkov!
            Quote: domokl
            there is a law for this. A law that must be enforced.

            And who do you think is the best law enforcer, if not the president ?!
            Only now, the whole country sees HOW he forces his direct subordinates to execute this very Law. There are a lot of examples.
            Quote: domokl
            Some actions in this direction are being carried out.

            These actions are visible to everyone: a stool, a hermit, Vasiliev on the one hand, and Kvachkov with Khabarov, on the other.
            Continue to console yourself with fairy tales about brave officers. I’m not talking about officers in military affairs - the majority are courageous and selfless (without exaggeration), but as with the big bosses, there are no heroes (almost none).
            hi
          2. yak69
            0
            24 July 2013 20: 12
            Quote: domokl
            So just say, what do you mean by beautiful words -As soon as the people wake up?

            These are not beautiful words, this is a metaphor (I think, understandable to everyone). The time will come when the authorities will no longer be able to hide behind promises (anti-corruption, etc.), specific cases (criminal) and specific terms will be needed. And not the bipod should sit, but those by whose will all this was done.
            I call (once again!) The priority measures:
            1. Nationalization of the oil and gas complex and subsoil use.
            2.Nationalization of industries and large city-forming enterprises (mining, steelmaking, machine-tool-building, electricity generating, etc.)
            3. Liquidation of most of the banks (since these are "laundries" and "wallets" of embezzlers and bandits)
            4. Censorship of the media and the termination of the imposition of psychosis of money-grubbing (restrictions on advertising).
            5. A significant reduction in interest rates on loans and tax holidays to the manufacturer. Especially low mortgage rates (1-2%) + lack of down payment (drove in, started paying).
            6. Industrialization and stimulation of its producer (protectionism and exit from the WTO).
            7. Elimination of the monopoly of large retail chains and lower prices for energy carriers (we ourselves produce all the energy and heat, and the price for our own is several times higher than for the sale to the geyropu and the USA!). As a result, a decrease in fuel prices, housing and communal services tariffs, food, etc. (and not an increase in salaries).
            In addition, all enterprises can be private, the scheme is simple: the state holds 35% of the shares, the rest in private hands, through shares (under tight federal control).
            These are the main measures.
            (I don’t want to argue about their effectiveness, because their effectiveness has been proved by life itself. Whoever does not understand this does not understand anything!)
    4. +1
      23 July 2013 21: 04
      hi
      And here is the latest news from the tolerant "west" -
      "The Estonian police denied a person in search of a stolen mobile phone by using his positioning. Law enforcement officers considered that this method violated the thief's right to protect personal data."
      After reading this, I belayл
      And you say ideology recourse ...
    5. +1
      23 July 2013 22: 04
      Quote: Draz
      A thief must be in prison, taxes must be fair, salaries, prices, state. Management, but in almost every area lacks this.

      This is Soviet ideology, so do not condemn the USSR, the most just country, but there were, although much less, at times than now.
      1. 0
        24 July 2013 00: 42
        In what word did I condemn him?
        I just said that a generation has grown up that does not know and does not want to find out what the USSR is, a generation has grown up of consumers who have settled down warmly and do not want anything, say that this is not so.
    6. 0
      24 July 2013 00: 58
      Quote: Draz
      Although the author expresses his thoughts boldly, he is right, damn it!


      I remember one such young writer who somehow wrote in LJ "ontole is right" about something there, from the statements of Wasserman ... here, but the writer himself was a gopnik from Tver, who was so pressed in Moscow that he dumped to Brazil ... It's about the same, you don't need to say the author's rights or not, you need to have your own opinion.

      My opinion is that the author began for health, and ended with snot about world peace. Author, dear, we can’t get past the war. In 20-25 years, a brawl will begin in Europe and we will certainly be brought to it. The question is not even who won, whether anyone just survived.
      1. 0
        24 July 2013 11: 34
        You are so weird.
        The earth is round and everyone should have their own opinion on one problem?
        And you did not think that the laws of physics are the same and everyone comes to the same conclusions?
        Opinions may coincide.
        I’m not your native, and I don’t live what will happen to Europe, I didn’t live there, I don’t live and I won’t live.
        A lot of things can happen over the course of 20-25 years, so don't rush to conclusions.
        Continue to prepare for it for 20 years, the rest will do everything to avoid this.

        Discarding all the slag that the author dumped on the reader, you can find the very meaning that everyone argues about.
      2. yak69
        0
        24 July 2013 19: 40
        Quote: Geisenberg
        we can’t get past the war. In 20-25 years, a brawl will begin in Europe and we will certainly be brought to it.

        Nobody gives us 20 years, everything will happen much earlier! In the next year or two (three years on the force!). It seems stupid and fantasy now, but take a closer look at the geyrop. There are already countries where unemployment reaches 50% !! Think about these numbers. Behind them specific events are formed. Spain, Portugal, Greece. On the way, Italy and the Balkans, and this is a real powder cellar.
        We in Russia, as never before, now need unity and solidarity, BUT, the authorities should lead to this. It should unite everyone around itself, and today the government is sowing discord by its isolation from the people.
        That's the whole story.
        Draz
        ... I don’t know what will happen to Europe, I didn’t live there, I don’t live and I won’t live ...
        If it burns in the geyrop, we in Russia will feel it first. And nobody will let us sit out.
        ..the laws of physics are the same ... they said it themselves.
  2. 0
    23 July 2013 16: 25
    Well, since such a dance has started, something like "Equality in opportunities, victory in the world"
    1. Cat
      +1
      23 July 2013 17: 01
      Quote: Sergey_K
      "Equality of opportunity, victory in the world"

      Has already been: "Everyone can become president or the great American dream"
    2. +1
      23 July 2013 18: 44
      Quote: Sergey_K
      "Equality of opportunity,


      Come on, colleague ... This will not fire under any circumstances, because the possibilities are not equal from the beginning. Abramovich, Sobyanin and Vasya Pupkin from Mukhos.r.a.s.ska they are different, and admit, they will never be equal. At least in this life ...
    3. +1
      23 July 2013 19: 52
      Quote: Sergey_K
      , then something like "Equality in opportunities, victory in the world"

      laughing Great American Dream. What equality will we talk about? Equality of a genius from a people who at the expense of the state somehow got into a budget place and the equality of a boob who didn’t appear at the institute, and after receiving a diploma became vice president of a large company?
      It will not work for us
  3. sergey261180
    +1
    23 July 2013 16: 42
    Author Lev Vershinin
    All the same, somehow Leontiev smells.
    That's all. Who does not understand, I will not chew.
    Okay, I’ll chew: the West does not love us, Putin is good, stability is most important.
    1. Cat
      +4
      23 July 2013 17: 07
      Quote: sergey261180
      the West does not like us, Putin is good, stability is most important

      ... but the stolen will have to be returned
      1. 0
        23 July 2013 19: 57
        Quote: Gato
        . but the stolen will have to be returned

        Let me find out who will be showing with a finger who and how much has stolen? Revolutionaries? Or activists of radical youth? lol
        Stolen goods can appear only by court order, and for this you just need to force them to fulfill existing locks, as well as accept, if necessary, additional ones. But all this should happen without blood and legally.
        1. Cat
          0
          24 July 2013 10: 11
          Quote: domokl
          Let me find out who will be showing with a finger who and how much has stolen? Revolutionaries? Or activists of radical youth?

          I think the principle "rob the loot ..." will work again! that is, "expropriation of expropriators"
        2. yak69
          0
          24 July 2013 21: 58
          Quote: domokl
          this should happen without blood and legally.

          But was the USSR destroyed by the Bialowieza vampires legally? In 1990, there was an all-Union referendum, where 79,8% of citizens supported the preservation of the USSR.
          And privatization, collateral auctions, took place legally, when they divided the whole country into pieces and gave each piece of paper? Estimates of how they were made? Do you know how it was?
          I know it. It all passed before my eyes. How local administrators, bank leaders and bandits conspired. I saw it with my own eyes !!!
          How the "Czechs" privatized tin mines and gold-bearing artels in Chukotka. How the largest ports retreated under secret control. How transport railway, river and air hubs became private! For pennies, for a stroke of a pen, on the sidelines, in the baths!
          Say, all this was also legally ?!
          In your opinion, it is permissible to rob, but to return the loot - strictly according to the court !!
          More than weird logic ....

          I don’t understand, are you an oligarch or an officer? Or are you an officer in the service of the oligarchs?
          Which side are you on?
  4. 0
    23 July 2013 16: 59
    The author transformed the motto “For God, the Tsar and the Fatherland!” in justice ... calling it a possible ideology ...
    According to the meaning of the last two paragraphs, for the author, a fair ideology would be the return of his lost ... One can agree with these ... I would suggest the ideology - "For faith, statehood and nationality"... Such an ideology all includes ...
  5. Stealth
    0
    23 July 2013 17: 06
    “The power in Russia must be strong! Ideology - monolithic! This is not a joke and not a thing for banter. It is a question of the survival of our people and each of us individually. It’s time for us to remember it very well and pass it on to school books in future generations ... ”

    Power is already strong - nowhere stronger. The proposed author is unrealistic. From sudden movements will only be worse and the ultimate goal will be even further. Only the ideology of love for one’s family, homeland and work, coupled with solidarity, can move Russia's development forward.
  6. +1
    23 July 2013 17: 29
    No doubt that will work PUBLIC SECURITY CONCEPT
  7. 0
    23 July 2013 17: 38
    Quote: Lev Vershinin
    War is the worst. But there are different wars, and an external war does not always go into the hot phase, and worse than the internal war that Russia is now trying to impose from the outside, no matter where you look, there is nothing at all.

    Until we destroy ourselves, no one will destroy us, old truth.
  8. Grenz
    +1
    23 July 2013 18: 16
    Lenin once said: "... the ideology of emptiness does not forgive." Or ours or someone else's. Under the Union, ideological issues were dealt with at the level of the Central Committee, there were corresponding departments in the PU SA of the USSR and the KGB of the USSR. Now we don't even know how to interpret this concept, not what to implement. And who will do it.
    Specialists on the issues of ideological work and counteracting the negative informational and psychological influence of the enemy, as a real force are neutralized, posts are transferred to a pack of officials, papers that write and fill up with them everything and everything.
    Powerful special services of the United States in matters of psychological warfare have enormous experience, the World Wide Web, and well-developed methods.
    And to which agency can we entrust the defense of our positions in the international arena and even domestically?
    Hey !? Where are you the ideological defenders of Russian interests, where are you specialists in the field of psychological warfare, in which department to look for you. Silence in response. Our campaigns on sites do not count.
    Who owns the information that owns the world. The Third World (psychological) war is already underway. We are on the defensive, in the trenches and are just fighting off somehow, we may soon be counterattacking. I really hope so!
  9. +1
    23 July 2013 18: 26
    I did not quite understand?
    The author offers a call "For God, the Tsar and the Fatherland!". But it follows from the ideology of "God is with us."
    Of the three ideologies listed at the beginning, only with “God with us” is irrational, because sets each person goals that lie outside the material world.
    And then, as I understand it, a proposal follows to organize a small victorious war. But the ideology “God is with us” is “For God, the Tsar and the Fatherland!” First of all, it requires internal work on oneself.
    Please chew ?!
    1. +1
      23 July 2013 18: 50
      Study the Concept of Public Security, and you will see how God-rule, communism and patriotism can be harmoniously combined.
      1. 0
        24 July 2013 11: 34
        And I’m sure that they can’t, because they are based on different types of worldview.
        Can you briefly and clearly explain the basics, otherwise immediately "study"?
  10. +1
    23 July 2013 19: 14
    And “God is with us!” Does not turn on the masses either. Attempts are evident, but they do not give any effect, for the simple reason that the official speakers of God's word fit perfectly into the existing paradigm.
    Here the author is fundamentally wrong. The Russian people therefore was and remains great, even during the periods of their national disasters, because their spiritual quest, aspiration is not in this world, but beyond, beyond the horizon. Whereas the western nations are all down to earth. And this tendency to the bottom led them to the current state of progressive spiritual degradation. Different vectors. Because we are different with them, they are strangers to us.
  11. serge-68-68
    0
    23 July 2013 19: 20
    Ideologies only then master the necessary number of people and turn into real power when:
    - meet the needs of these people (more or less guessed here);
    - come from respected people (where, tell me these fathers whom I can take for samples? Are these rich in robbery?)
    - reach these people through information channels that they trust (this is really bad).
    You can think of any phrases, but without 2 and 3 - an empty concussion.
  12. 0
    23 July 2013 22: 04
    I propose such an ideology. Order, Justice, Traditions.
  13. serge
    +1
    23 July 2013 23: 24
    Unclear article. First, a spill about the fact that there is no ideology. In the end - here it is, the ideology - "to return what is". That is, to properly arm yourself and send troops into the territory of Ukraine (there seems to be nowhere else, well, the Baltics are still in question), and come what may. Those. restore the unity of the divided Russian people by military means. Well then, that's the way to write, why wag. However, the question arises - what for in such a hurry? Economic problems and sub-ethnic conflicts in Ukraine are growing, it is necessary to feed the fault lines of these conflicts, create and finance Russian organizations in Ukraine, and work with young people. The main thing is to enlarge the ethnic rift between Novorossia (South and East) on the one hand, and the Kiev region and Galicia on the other. Maybe it won't take a big war, so where to hurry, part of Ukraine will smoothly and peacefully leave for Russia with the right policy. And in the form in which it is presented in the article, this is complete kreizuha. I looked at the author's personality - it turned out to be an Odessa-Israeli political scientist living in Spain, who did not serve in the army due to a psychiatric diagnosis. In general, the author has a mess in his head and lack of the ability to clearly formulate his thoughts.
  14. +1
    24 July 2013 01: 42
    The author began for health, graduated for the USSR and the revolutionary masses.
    "Faith, Tsar, Fatherland"
    analogue
    "Justice, President, Russia"
    -good slogan, what's in the way? - The understanding of this slogan interferes, because everyone has their own. The author succeeded - "take and divide everything" (somewhere I've already heard). Is it fair to take away from the "thief"? - then why are you better than him? - the fact that the word "people" was covered. How many of these people will fall after the expropriation is still unknown. And the so-called "people" from the 17th year also took away this good.
    If the "thief" is not in jail, this is a question for the competent authorities, if the authorities do not work well - a question for the president as a guarantor of justice. The president is bad - try to win the elections. The country was not - it is.
  15. ratuld
    0
    24 July 2013 04: 13
    Ideology, in my opinion, is no longer relevant even at the level of concept.
    All. The time of talking and promises has passed. It is no longer possible to arouse the people with either pensions or salary - nothing.
    So the people live their own lives, they survive and, as a matter of fact, somehow adapted, realizing that in general, the state needs it much more than it needs it.
    There will be no hunger for sure, half of the grub produced in the world is thrown away. So even if someone "smart" wants to arrange famine in the country, it will be suppressed even without a savage grin on the faces of the population.
    So - CHOICE - this is what could be an ideology in the 21st century.
    Р'РѕС ‚Рё РґСѓРјР ° йте.
  16. ratuld
    0
    24 July 2013 04: 13
    Ideology, in my opinion, is no longer relevant even at the level of concept.
    All. The time of talking and promises has passed. It is no longer possible to arouse the people with either pensions or salary - nothing.
    So the people live their own lives, they survive and, as a matter of fact, somehow adapted, realizing that in general, the state needs it much more than it needs it.
    There will be no hunger for sure, half of the grub produced in the world is thrown away. So even if someone "smart" wants to arrange famine in the country, it will be suppressed even without a savage grin on the faces of the population.
    So - CHOICE - this is what could be an ideology in the 21st century.
    Р'РѕС ‚Рё РґСѓРјР ° йте.
  17. 0
    24 July 2013 09: 19
    In Russia, state ideology is prohibited by constitution. But this does not mean that it is not needed.
    By the way, this is precisely why we cannot introduce patriotic education.
  18. pahom54
    +1
    24 July 2013 09: 51
    Ideology is needed, no doubt, and it should be based on patriotism, love for one’s country, as if it were not flawed in some way. Putin, whom everyone is trying to scold, is currently making efforts to restore the combat capability of the Armed Forces, and I’m not afraid to say that, he is already showing imperial ambitions in the international arena, his American president, like Bush Medvedev in Japan, is not patting him on the shoulder. Russia does not give up its positions in force.
    The economy ..... Yes, it has collapsed, and it will take time to restore it. But the defense industry is slowly being restored, and a lot of not quite defense enterprises are tied to it, and they will also develop ...
    I repeat once again: state ideology is necessary. And patriotic upbringing of youth in educational institutions can begin with a daily and every morning listening (and maybe singing) of the national anthem (by the way, this is done in the same USA).
    And you can regain faith in the leaders of the people: now, the first swallow flew by yesterday, the former governor of the Tula region received 9,5 years in prison. It is clear that he will soon jump off, but the fact that a man of such a level was imprisoned already inspires hope. And if Taburetkina and his bl ... she is sentenced to 15 years, then the people will see that the current government is still fighting for the justice that we are talking about.
    In general, I agree with the author of the article in almost everything except returning parasites to the bosom of Russia in the form of the former Soviet republics. We don't need them.
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