Military Review

The bow of Vladivostok is afloat

83
In the afternoon of 19 in July 2013 of the year at the French shipbuilding enterprise STX France in Saint-Nazaire, a technical launch and temporary removal from the dry building dock of the bow-built Vladivostok helicopter ship-dock, the Mistral-type ship under construction, was built for the Russian Navy.


The withdrawal was carried out with the help of four tugboats to turn the bow and then re-enter it into the construction dock already "stern ahead." This was done for the subsequent convenience of docking the bow with the aft hull, built in St. Petersburg at Baltiysky Zavod - Shipbuilding Ltd. and now towed to France. The arrival of the stern in Saint-Nazaire is expected, according to updated data from French sources, July 23-24, after which work will begin on its docking with the bow of the ship. The withdrawal of the fully docked Vladivostok hull from the construction dry dock of the Saint-Nazaire shipyard is tentatively scheduled for October 15 of the year 2013.

The bow of Vladivostok is afloat

The nose of the landing helicopter ship dock "Vladivostok" being built for the Russian Navy after technical launching and temporary withdrawal from the building dry dock of the STX France shipyard. Saint-Nazaire, 19.07.2013
Originator:
http://bmpd.livejournal.com/
83 comments
Information
Dear reader, to leave comments on the publication, you must to register.

I have an account? Sign in

  1. afire
    afire 22 July 2013 09: 26
    29
    Well then ...
    The flag in our hands and ahead! with new ships then. Let's not be ironic guys. Enough already, still we will serve soldier
    1. ShturmKGB
      ShturmKGB 22 July 2013 09: 30
      31
      The main thing is that the nose with the ass would not be connected ...
      1. Alexander Romanov
        Alexander Romanov 22 July 2013 10: 16
        +8
        ShturmKGB
        The main thing is that the nose with the ass would not be connected ..

        Offset laughing
      2. S-200
        S-200 22 July 2013 11: 40
        0
        ours or the french?
      3. Papakiko
        Papakiko 22 July 2013 11: 41
        -3
        ShturmKGB
        The main thing is that the nose with the ass would not be connected.

        Therefore, the question: How did it happen that you needed to deploy it with a conclusion from the dock?
        If only Koreans, Japanese and Chinese would build bulk carriers and tankers in this way.
        Oh-h-x-hunches ...
        1. sir.jonn
          sir.jonn 22 July 2013 14: 26
          0
          Quote: Papakiko
          How did it happen that you needed to deploy with the conclusion from the dock?

          It is obvious that when the hull module is pulled out of the dock, it must be oriented exactly by the finished, stern or bow, part of the vessel in front in the direction of movement in the water to prevent the incoming stream from entering unprepared internal partitions between the shut-off bulkheads.
          1. dmitreach
            dmitreach 22 July 2013 14: 44
            +3

            oh not a fact! rather, the reason is in the logistics of production (maybe something else, they sculpted it in the same dock)
            Somewhere on the tyrtyuba came across a 3d model, according to which the part of an aircraft carrier is pushed afloat / deployed / pushed back to the dock. (or D. Bush, or Queen Elizabeth)
    2. UFO
      UFO 22 July 2013 09: 30
      11
      I support, all for the better. Dates are pleasing. good
    3. Mitek
      Mitek 22 July 2013 09: 38
      +2
      Quote: afire
      Well then ...
      The flag in our hands and ahead! with new ships then. Let's not be ironic guys. Enough already, still we will serve soldier

      I wonder how much it would have been built with us .... And how much it cost.
      1. Sirocco
        Sirocco 22 July 2013 09: 54
        +6
        Quote: Mitek
        I wonder how much it would have been built with us .... And how much it cost.

        Well, here you are again about the bad))))
      2. Alexander Romanov
        Alexander Romanov 22 July 2013 10: 18
        +3
        Quote: Mitek
        I wonder how much it would have been built with us ...

        If desired, and skillful leadership build quickly.
        1. Mitek
          Mitek 22 July 2013 11: 21
          +2
          Quote: Alexander Romanov
          If desired, and skillful leadership build quickly.

          I completely agree with you) But where did you see our skillful leadership?)) And the desire is to stay longer with c3.14. And the worst part is that no one will answer for anything.
        2. buzuke
          buzuke 22 July 2013 12: 29
          +2
          we quickly build with a fright, when already pecks
      3. Ezhaak
        Ezhaak 22 July 2013 10: 28
        -1
        Quote: Mitek
        And how much he cost.

        BUT after all, this is not the final yet. It is necessary to equip it. Combine the bow and stern. To put some weapons. Equip with boats. And this is also a considerable expense. So this is just the beginning.
        Regarding the pace of construction, keep in mind that two shipyards were built.
        1. Retx
          Retx 22 July 2013 10: 47
          +6
          One hell in a little over 2 years fit, the French in the snout for 3 years to cope. Here it is organization and responsibility.
          1. PDM80
            PDM80 22 July 2013 12: 31
            +1
            Brothers explain to the ignorant. And why are there troubles and transportation costs, which is associated with the risk that it will sink, in order to assemble one ship !!! And how strong will it be at the junction request
            1. itkul
              itkul 22 July 2013 13: 22
              -2
              Quote: PDM80
              which is associated with the risk that it will sink in order to assemble one ship !!!


              And why should he sink, he has bottom fuel tanks at the very bottom, now they are empty, so with all the desire he couldn’t get down. You would have ordered five more such ships from France than spend money on no one needed olympiads
              1. sir.jonn
                sir.jonn 22 July 2013 14: 45
                +1
                Quote: itkul
                And why should he sink, he has bottom fuel tanks at the very bottom, now they are empty, so with all the desire he could not sink.

                In this state of readiness of the vessel, (almost empty), it is more expedient to fill the fuel and possibly other tanks with water to increase stability. At the same time, for transportation in a potentially stormy hazardous area, it is necessary to additionally strengthen the open intersection bulkheads.
              2. Semen Semyonitch
                Semen Semyonitch 22 July 2013 16: 02
                -1
                Quote: itkul
                Quote: PDM80
                which is associated with the risk that it will sink in order to assemble one ship !!!


                And why should he sink, he has bottom fuel tanks at the very bottom, now they are empty, so with all the desire he couldn’t get down. You would have ordered five more such ships from France than spend money on no one needed olympiads

                I can continue, the Universiade, the track for Formula 1, the World Cup, the world championship for cutting ...
              3. Ezhaak
                Ezhaak 22 July 2013 17: 53
                +1
                Quote: itkul
                how to spend money on unnecessary olympiads

                I will continue for Semyon Semyonitch. Nafih us the world championships in volleyball, basketball, ice hockey with a ball or puck, close and ban all domestic championships. Nafih all this is sporting, nafih! Prohibit the sale of sports cars such as Ferrari and Porshe, Jaguar and Lamborgini. And after a couple of years, ban the sale of any passenger cars. Because nefih.
                1. BARKAS
                  BARKAS 22 July 2013 18: 00
                  +1
                  Quote: Hedgehog
                  . Nafih all this is sporting, nafih!

                  Indeed, without us, everything will be OK
                2. Semen Semyonitch
                  Semen Semyonitch 23 July 2013 09: 55
                  0
                  Quote: Hedgehog
                  Quote: itkul
                  how to spend money on unnecessary olympiads

                  I will continue for Semyon Semyonitch. Nafih us the world championships in volleyball, basketball, ice hockey with a ball or puck, close and ban all domestic championships. Nafih all this is sporting, nafih! Prohibit the sale of sports cars such as Ferrari and Porshe, Jaguar and Lamborgini. And after a couple of years, ban the sale of any passenger cars. Because nefih.

                  Learn to read between the lines. I am not against championships and olympiads, I am categorically against unthinkable cuts.
                  “The budget of the Sochi 2014 Olympics has already exceeded 950 billion rubles, although four years ago the amount was three times less. Thus, preparing Sochi for the Olympics will cost an unprecedentedly high amount against the background of the previous Games, the total costs of which amounted to $ 4 billion. "
            2. Coward
              Coward 22 July 2013 16: 33
              0
              And how strong will it be at the junction

              High-quality welding gives an equal strength connection. The strength will be the same as that of the adjacent welded joints.
      4. Vadivak
        Vadivak 22 July 2013 12: 37
        +5
        Quote: Mitek
        I wonder how much it would have been built with us .... And how much it cost.


        The question is right, why minus. Americans built the Varangian in 20 months, and Aurora at our shipyards in 7 years. By the way, the metal of the Varangian under water when removing a light layer of rust shines like new ....
    4. Vadivak
      Vadivak 22 July 2013 12: 32
      +1
      Quote: afire
      Enough already, still we will serve


      What a big steamboat still poured with steam
    5. Rustam
      Rustam 22 July 2013 13: 03
      +6
      [color = # 8DB3E2] They quickly build such a fool in 21000 tons, are busy with the work of BZ, Progress and Kumerata (they must sign a contract, though it is not yet clear which helicopters are)

      And most importantly, there are already few who oppose this ship, of course, there are nuances, but still an excellent ship, it is still incapable of constructing such a ship and equipping it with all systems, for such a time.


      Changes in accordance with Russian requirements

      DCNS reported that the BPC project (Вâtiments de Рrojection et de Сommandement - projection and control ship) has undergone changes in accordance with Russian requirements

      DCNS had to redesign the height of the hangar to accommodate Russian helicopters. In addition, the customer's request, i.e. the Russian side had to increase the number of helicopters in comparison with the French Mistral. Initially, it was supposed to place a total of up to 30 pieces of Ka-29 and Ka-52K. But according to the results of later modeling, DCNS recommended to stop at 16 helicopters (8 Ka-29s and 8 Ka-52Ks) to ensure quick repair or replacement. This means that the size of the Vladivostok airborne wing of the DVKD will be similar to the French BPC Mistral

      DVKD will also be modified for operation in arctic conditions, which means an increase in the power supply system capacity to ensure ice melting on the flight deck.

      The rest of the DVKD correspond to the French BPC Mistral:

      Tonnage (standard) 16 500 tons
      Tonnage (full) 21 300 tons
      Tonnage (limit) 32 300 tons
      Maximum length 199 m
      32 waterline width m
      Height 64,3 m
      Draft (with gas) 6,3 m
      Maximum speed 19 nodes
      18 knots cruising speed
      Navigation range:
      - 10 km (800 miles) at 5800 knots (18 km / h)
      - 19 km (800 miles) at 10 knots (700 km / h)
      The autonomy of swimming 30 day
      Crew 160 people (20 officers) + 450 marines

      photo he's handsome

      ps-interesting discussion took place yesterday at bmpd- http://bmpd.livejournal.com/572117.html#comments
      1. The comment was deleted.
      2. dmitreach
        dmitreach 22 July 2013 13: 55
        +2
        Hello Rustam! I thought today they’ll bring me to San Nazaire ... by night ... (Although not a fact)
        Here is a real-time map with the Latitude / Longitude of the "package"
        http://www.marinetraffic.com/ais/ru/default.aspx?mmsi=244790685¢erx=-4.47379
        ¢ ery = 47.20033 & zoom = 10 & type_color = 3
        If the link doesn't work, then search the site: EN AVANT 20 (Okiyansky Tug)

        http://www.marinetraffic.com/ais/ru/shipdetails.aspx?mmsi=244790685&header=true
        1. dmitreach
          dmitreach 22 July 2013 14: 00
          +3
          the ant is straight!
          (This is in the Kiel Canal)
          1. Rustam
            Rustam 22 July 2013 16: 01
            +4
            dmitreach Today, 14:00 p.m. ↑
            the ant is straight!


            Hi Dim!

            yes the ant pulls

            You gave a useful thing, you can see where our feed is -http: //www.marinetraffic.com/ais/ru/shipdetails.aspx? mmsi = 244790685


            Today is in Saint-Nazaire - the ants dragged a practical map in real time http://www.marinetraffic.com/ais/en/default.aspx?oldmmsi=244790685&zoom=10&oldda


            te = lastknown
            1. dmitreach
              dmitreach 22 July 2013 16: 17
              +2
              Where our food did not disappear ... oh !, went by sea, but to the French side ... to look for adventure ...))))))))))))) And then they will glue it together! .. If only without the "back thoughts". They are so French ... different)))) laughing

              All the same, they will drag him tomorrow morning. You can bet. (If there are no fundamental moments with the ebb and flow of ships, then in the morning it is easier to perform such an operation than at night)

              Here an idea arose ... according to the law of the genre - SUDDENLY. In addition to the "Tartu Express", now, they have also cleared the exercises .... with the transfer of troops a little closer than - zatridyavets land. Choy got into the taste ...
              We are waiting for confirmation of rumors on the topic of updating the database in Petropavlovsk-Kamchatsky (the second "garage" for DVDKD) ... Though to the north. I bet on a bottle of beer that this will be announced more than once. Although, somewhere in March / April, infa "so modestly" slipped through. But the most amusing of all is the fact that having a postscript to the Pacific Fleet, he will live in the Mediterranean. Not otherwise. (If the Pacific Fleet does not get hotter than it is now, near the Arabs)
  2. klimpopov
    klimpopov 22 July 2013 09: 28
    +3
    Cool picture! good
    1. Ezhaak
      Ezhaak 22 July 2013 10: 44
      +4
      Quote: klimpopov
      Cool picture!

      The photo could really be cool, Klim, if the photographer had cleaned the matrix of dirt and dust before shooting. This shot was shown to the child explaining what should not be done when photographing distant objects. laughing
      1. klimpopov
        klimpopov 22 July 2013 10: 53
        +1
        Not well, the topic itself is a "piece" of Vladivostok. I like it. Maybe shpienski took off with shoes? wassat
        1. Ezhaak
          Ezhaak 22 July 2013 11: 14
          +2
          Quote: klimpopov
          Maybe he took pictures of Shpieski on shoes?

          No, Klim. This photo was taken in a very complex technique of reflections from polished to shine shoes. laughing
          Yes, the frame itself is not conceived ill. And overall decent. But from childhood, my father taught me to keep the device clean. What can not be said about the author of the picture. hi
  3. waisson
    waisson 22 July 2013 09: 32
    +2
    with irony I am glad for the barge with this money how many warships could be built
    1. lelikas
      lelikas 22 July 2013 16: 20
      +3
      Quote: waisson
      with irony I am glad for the barge with this money how many warships could be built

      The same with irony - I think one or two years in ten.
      Or fast and a lot, but rook.
    2. dmitreach
      dmitreach 22 July 2013 17: 14
      +3
      Error number times:
      You should not compare the cost of the domestic product for FRANCE with the price tag for ANOTHER state (in this case, Russia).
      Assigned to nuber to:
      1,2 billion Euros (rounded, the civir is different, but not fundamental) - a lot of money. What can I buy on them:
      More than 60 wooden lard for the modernization of Nakhimov. (digital figure is not final, according to tradition - can be increased)
      Premier League Alexander Nevsky - 23 lard (almost like one Mistral)
      Nuclear submarine Severodvinsk (head) almost half a hundred lard (further, serial, almost a dozen times cheaper ...)
      You can launch a petard 14 times - "Proton-M" (with 56 GLONAS satellites). The last launch cost 4,4 lard.
      Or, like three Express-AM4 units, in August last year (it became space debris worth 20 billion rubles - almost like one Mistral)
      Approximately 2 frigates project 1135.6 (Which for the Indians pasted. There were two contracts for three models.)
      Leasing the Nerpa-Chakra somewhere ... 650 bucks lyamov for 10 years of active use.
      The cost of the Atomic Icebreaker, with a capacity of 60 megawatts (Project 22220) is almost 40 lard.
      You can try to buy 1800 BA Lynx.
      Prices are certainly not for children ... But!
      with this money how many warships could be built

      Which ones? Type DK Dugong (Denis Davydov)? Or 1135.6?
      What to measure Mistral? (in boas, monkeys or in parrots?)
  4. Trailer
    Trailer 22 July 2013 09: 32
    14
    Have you noticed the pace of work? Looking at how our corvettes are being built, I’m really glad to see the example of cooperation with the French.
  5. Argon
    Argon 22 July 2013 09: 35
    +5
    Yes, quickly, it seemed that conversations were talking, and the two parts of the case are ready, let's hope not to the detriment of quality.
  6. darksoul
    darksoul 22 July 2013 09: 38
    +9
    Quote: Karavan
    Did you notice the pace of work?


    The pace is impressive, there is much to learn
    1. sub307
      sub307 22 July 2013 17: 20
      +2
      The pace is very decent.
  7. Armata
    Armata 22 July 2013 09: 41
    -5
    He’ll tear off the stern, but his nose will stay afloat, shoot, I don’t want, but you don’t want all the swamps.
    1. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 22 July 2013 10: 19
      +8
      Quote: Mechanic
      He’ll tear off the stern, but his nose will stay afloat, shoot, I don’t want, but you don’t want all the swamps.

      Eugene, not your patriotic koment laughing May the people rejoice winked
      1. Armata
        Armata 22 July 2013 11: 24
        -3
        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        Eugene, not your patriotic koment. Dai people to rejoice
        but I don't care. Let's laugh at the miracle of the French "car industry" laughing
        1. Tersky
          Tersky 22 July 2013 11: 32
          +1
          Quote: Mechanic
          ... Let's laugh at the miracle of the French "car industry

          Zhen, hello lost! Yes, the "car industry" of France has nothing to do with it, he is a grandmother, and there at least the grass does not grow, but over "(м) cranks "The Ministry of Defense is the most ...
          1. Armata
            Armata 22 July 2013 11: 42
            -1
            Quote: Tersky
            Zhen, hello missing!
            Hi Vitya. I already wrote that there is simply no time. Now here again, after 15 minutes, I run away. Cases damn gnawing.
            1. Tersky
              Tersky 22 July 2013 11: 59
              +2
              Quote: Mechanic
              Cases damn gnawing

              Zhenya, they will never end, the older you get the more they are added .. yes The main thing is do not let yourself bite No. !
  8. ilichstar
    ilichstar 22 July 2013 09: 42
    -6
    I read that fuel for the Mistrals is not produced in Russia! so we need ships that can only be used with an eye on NATO? all that they will need is to deprive us of them, stupidly freeze supplies.
    1. klimpopov
      klimpopov 22 July 2013 09: 51
      +6
      There was such an infa. It was discussed on the site. I do not see the point of raising the topic again.
      http://topwar.ru/23864-v-rf-ne-proizvoditsya-toplivo-neobhodimoe-dlya-mistraley-
      rogozin.html
      1. ilichstar
        ilichstar 22 July 2013 13: 28
        -1
        and what has changed? did they change the design for our fuel?
        1. klimpopov
          klimpopov 22 July 2013 13: 40
          +1
          Not about that. There is a discussion on this topic. Everything is painted there, yes and how. That's all...
  9. Nayhas
    Nayhas 22 July 2013 09: 43
    +2
    Those. We expect the most difficult moment to dock both parts. Here we either expect that everything is fine, everything matches, or a stream of unprintable expressions from the French ...
    1. Retx
      Retx 22 July 2013 10: 00
      +5
      But it’s already going on, the entot flow is the most, they have already scored their part with electronics, and our part is only a case / piece of iron.
      They really are working on Sevastopol!
      1. Russ69
        Russ69 22 July 2013 10: 11
        +3
        Quote: RETX
        our part is just a case / piece of iron.

        In fairness, it’s not only a bare case, all pipelines, cables, and something else have been laid, they talked about this recently.
        1. Retx
          Retx 22 July 2013 10: 42
          +3
          This is the French so lament, do not like delays smile but they are so, not in anybody’s address. drinks
          1. evil hamster
            evil hamster 22 July 2013 15: 34
            +1
            It is they who lament that part of the dough at Balt Plant had to be given smile
    2. saturn.mmm
      saturn.mmm 22 July 2013 12: 59
      +7
      Quote: Nayhas
      Here we either expect that everything is fine, everything matches, or a stream of unprintable expressions from the French ...

      Here is the second half of the "Mistral" (pictured) from the Baltic plant and the French have already accepted it. The Baltic plant has already laid another feed for the second Mistral. They know how to work at the Baltic Shipyard.
  10. waisson
    waisson 22 July 2013 10: 12
    0
    to whom the tops to whom the roots they built the bow we built the aft part now they will collect this centaur to build, because we, too, are able to get off the schedule but the question is what to build ....
  11. Yankuz
    Yankuz 22 July 2013 10: 25
    -3
    In the photo this same nose against the background of the bridge ..... Is it Che - already in Vladik or what? And it's all?!? request
    1. klimpopov
      klimpopov 22 July 2013 10: 35
      +3

      The nose of the landing helicopter ship dock "Vladivostok" being built for the Russian Navy after technical launching and temporary withdrawal from the building dry dock of the STX France shipyard. Saint-Nazaire, 19.07.2013

      My friend, do you read the letters?
      1. Tersky
        Tersky 22 July 2013 11: 52
        +4
        Quote: klimpopov
        My friend, do you read the letters?

        Klim hi ! Letters sees wink , just the Latin alphabet to ignore .. negative .
    2. Hemi cuda
      Hemi cuda 22 July 2013 12: 55
      0
      not this Pont de Saint-Nazaire is just the docks of the shipyard STX France next to this bridge.
  12. vladsolo56
    vladsolo56 22 July 2013 11: 38
    -3
    And why rejoice, our Navy has not yet decided what to do with ships of this class.
    1. waisson
      waisson 22 July 2013 11: 53
      -4
      to pay off for a cruise ship or a ferment
    2. ilichstar
      ilichstar 22 July 2013 13: 18
      -5
      the Chinese needles =)
    3. itkul
      itkul 22 July 2013 13: 37
      +2
      Quote: vladsolo56
      our Navy has not yet decided what to do with ships of this class.


      And what do the Chinese, Japanese and Americans do with theirs. Can they peep at them, what do you think?
      1. evil hamster
        evil hamster 22 July 2013 15: 52
        +1
        Well, you - this is not our method, so stick the Marines in the BDK and send them to pickle in the Mediterranean - this is our way. And we don’t need a mistral - for it doesn’t know how to fall ashore - hence it is from a civilian barge of Bosurmanship, and the Russian army is not conical to go on it.
  13. waisson
    waisson 22 July 2013 11: 49
    0
    interesting stuffing whose will be ours or Frank or 50/50
  14. strange and pretty meaningless
    strange and pretty meaningless 22 July 2013 12: 20
    0
    ... urya ...!
  15. Mikola
    Mikola 22 July 2013 12: 29
    -4
    something a lot of ur, on the new white elephants for Rosflot.
  16. Mhpv
    Mhpv 22 July 2013 12: 41
    -2
    Interestingly, but the amers are building like that? It seems to me that this connection will be the Achilles heel of Mistral, constantly experiencing loads at sea.
    Well, it’s late to drink Borjomi when the kidneys have fallen off, nehay swims.
    1. Hemi cuda
      Hemi cuda 22 July 2013 13: 01
      +2
      Yes, they also build from ready-made pieces.
      Quote: mhpv
      It seems to me that this connection will be the Achilles heel of Mistral, constantly experiencing loads at sea.
      Finished Mistrals do not fall apart, like the Amer Nimes.
      1. Mhpv
        Mhpv 22 July 2013 13: 36
        -2
        Quote: Hemi Cuda
        Finished Mistrals do not fall apart, like the Amer Nimes.

        And I did not say that they are falling apart, but the fact that this connection will be subject to heavy loads during storms, but in combat, the goal is number one.
        1. Hemi cuda
          Hemi cuda 22 July 2013 14: 28
          +4
          A rocket hits the center of the ship, she doesn’t give a damn about some seams and the ships are not mediocre.
          The Mistral is being built according to the block technology of production for quality and strength characteristics, this does not affect it in any way, it only significantly reduces the time for building the hull.
          1. Mhpv
            Mhpv 22 July 2013 14: 55
            -4
            When a rocket or a torpedo hits the hull and not necessarily in the center and not necessarily a contact explosion, but a non-contact explosion is possible, which is precisely calculated as a consequence of a powerful effect on the ship's hull, this affects the survivability of the ship, since the ship's hull is "a system of rigidly interconnected longitudinal and transverse beams of various designs, welded or riveted to the outer skin, second bottom and decks.
            Regardless of the recruitment system, the hull must have strong connections in all three directions (longitudinal, lateral and vertical) to reliably withstand the forces acting on the ship. Depending on the purpose and location of the hull parts, a set of bottoms, a set of sides, a set of decks, etc. are distinguished. "
            Quote: Hemi Cuda
            The Mistral is being built according to the block technology of production for quality and strength characteristics, this does not affect it in any way, it only significantly reduces the time for building the hull.

            This is complete bullshit, you want to say that the construction of the boat as a whole will take more time than from two halves laughing
            The block system allows you to assemble a ship without large stocks, which is important for France because of small territories, and they assemble quickly because the technology has been worked out, and shipbuilding has been started for me. During my service life (three years) the division received three new TFRs from Nikolaev but this is the end of 80x like that.
            1. Hemi cuda
              Hemi cuda 22 July 2013 15: 28
              0
              Quote: mhpv
              This is complete bullshit, you want to say that the construction of the boat as a whole will take more time than from two halves
              The block system allows you to assemble the ship without large stocks, which is important for France because of small territories, and they are assembled quickly because the technology has been developed, and shipbuilding has been launched in our country.
              If in your opinion this is bullshit, then why the hell did Sevmash begin to switch to the large-block method of building ships?
              1. Mhpv
                Mhpv 22 July 2013 16: 05
                -3
                I argued with you why such an assembly is beneficial, read carefully and then sculpt yourself the pluses. laughing
                Your argument that this speeds up is not confirmed by this babble.
                If you think that the glued halves are stronger than the whole, then buy yourself a car from the Baltic states, assembled from two halves and enjoy durability. Even houses are built by overlapping seams.
                I served on a normal ship and was calm.
                You have highlighted the answer in the quotation and again ask the question, good luck and attention, because there is no point in further talking with you.
            2. dmitreach
              dmitreach 22 July 2013 15: 56
              +1
              The block system allows you to assemble the ship without large stocks, which is important for France because of the small territories,
              ....
              Iron logic .... of something, but I have not heard this ...
              (Nothing in the Netherlands (Rotterdam) is one of the largest ports in the world, despite the fact that the Netherlands is lost on some map scales?
              PS I hope this circumstance will not break your patterns, regarding the territories of some state-c) hi
              1. dmitreach
                dmitreach 22 July 2013 17: 30
                0

                Somewhere from 3:50.
                Where is she? Where, I ask you!
                Who?
                England.
                Here.
                Where are we?
                Here.
                .
                It's nearby!
              2. Mhpv
                Mhpv 23 July 2013 11: 49
                0
                Quote: dmitreach
                Iron logic .... something, but I haven’t heard such a thing yet ..

                Modern shipbuilding makes significant use of prefabricated sections. All segments of the multi-deck hull or superstructure will be built elsewhere in the yard, transported to the shipyard dock or slipway, then removed to site. This is known as "block construction". Most modern shipyards pre-install equipment, pipes, electrical cables, and any other components within blocks to minimize the effort needed to assemble or install components deep within the hull once it is welded together.
                And about the earth, this is one of the possible reasons.
                1. dmitreach
                  dmitreach 23 July 2013 12: 39
                  0
                  it would be better to place some kind of 3d movie, or docfilm, as a visual aid.
                  1. dmitreach
                    dmitreach 23 July 2013 12: 44
                    0

                    like that. (construction of Queen Elizabeth aircraft carrier)
                    1. dmitreach
                      dmitreach 23 July 2013 12: 46
                      0

                      it would be more understandable what kind of detail ... (appears on the 15th second. 3d model has differences from the real section)
                      1. Mhpv
                        Mhpv 23 July 2013 13: 41
                        0
                        dmitreach!
                        I was simply simply interested in how these two halves are firmly connected, that's all and the question was clearly formulated, and Hemi Cuda began to sculpt me about block ones, although at that time modular technologies about which I myself found articles and about how rockets hit right in the center.
                        You know what fate befell many mastodon ships, so it became interesting to me about the articulation of the two halves. hi
                        It’s just that lately it seems that if a person asked a question, then he should be put up in the light of someone who is not with us, he is against us, instead of a reasoned answer, therefore I observe the disappearance of once frequent visitors to the forum. hi
          2. Mhpv
            Mhpv 23 July 2013 12: 02
            0
            Quote: Hemi Cuda
            The Mistral is being built according to the block technology of production for quality and strength characteristics, this does not affect it in any way, it only significantly reduces the time for building the hull.

            In general, they are not able to intelligently answer, I found it without you, but it is also instructive for you what are the advantages of modular shipbuilding:
            "MODULAR SHIPBUILDING | Print |

            design, construction, repair and modernization of ships and ships using a modular principle. In shipbuilding, it consists in completing the float. structures of various architectural and structural types and sizes from pre-developed common module-elements - structural (CM) and functional (FM) modules - structurally and technologically complete standard or standard assembly units, saturated with pipelines, mechanisms, devices and equipment (see Modular body design). Naib. large assembly units of feed and nose are promising as FM. extremities with EI. blocks of court, premises and superstructure assembled. The composition of the modules determines the method of modular design: the use of only module-blocks - block-modular, module-panels - module-panel. A special case in MODULAR SHIPBUILDING is the use of the modular-aggregate method. MODULAR SHIPBUILDING ensures the transfer of a large amount of work from the slipway and from the completion areas to specialized ones. enterprises adapted to mass production. Main advantages of MODULAR SHIPBUILDING; reducing the time for designing and building ships; saving labor and material resources; the ability to respond more quickly and flexibly to changing demand for floating. structures of different architectural and structural types and sizes. The base for MODULAR SHIPBUILDING is the system. comprehensive standardization of shipbuilding. "
            And finally:
            "Modular technologies in shipbuilding tempt with their seeming simplicity and low cost. But everything is very difficult with them. And before starting the" modular construction ", you need to measure it more than once. You must first create these modules and carry out a number of R&D related to them on experimental ships . And only then, in case of confirmation of the calculations, proceed with the laying of ships. "(Completely here: http: //blackseafleet-21.com/news/16-02-2013_iskushenie-modulej-chuzhoj-opyt-
            korablestroenija-vsegda-byvaet-poleznym)
        2. evil hamster
          evil hamster 22 July 2013 16: 01
          +1
          What is the difference between this joint and a bunch of others, exactly the same joint welded between sections and just separate sheets. All the same, the whole ship rests on welds, so why exactly this section will be especially vulnerable?
          1. Mhpv
            Mhpv 23 July 2013 12: 08
            0
            You know what the difference is, but I found the answer for you:
            "On the first all-welded ships of the Navy, built in the early 50s, shortly after their delivery to the Navy, there was a massive appearance of fatigue cracks in the hull structures of the engine rooms and the stern end for up to 1/4 of the ship's length. vibration of the body, which prevented the normal operation of mechanisms, precision instruments and weapons. "
            All in all, you need to give a more reasoned answer if you want to prove something to your opponent.
            1. evil hamster
              evil hamster 23 July 2013 16: 31
              0
              I actually asked that. Tk. I do not quite understand your position and your doubts about the strength of the Mistral. At the bottom I brought a photo of the embedded sections 11356 of the project, in order to show that a completely domestic project and fully "combat" (there is no talk of any civilian technologies) is built on a similar principle from sections connected by welding. And it is obvious that in the places of the greatest bending moments, in the center of the body, there are several such "seams" connecting several central sections. So I don’t understand why you have no doubts about the structural strength of the 11356 project, but the strength of the Mistral, built according to essentially the same principles, raises questions.
              1. Mhpv
                Mhpv 23 July 2013 17: 14
                0
                Quote: evil hamster
                Tk. I do not quite understand your position and your doubts about the strength of Mistral.

                Well, what did you attribute my simple question to the position of strength? hi
                Everyone is interested in the fact that it is large and beautiful and few people are interested in how these halves connect with such a machine and this does not affect its strength, especially since these halves are already afloat, and not in the photo on the slipway.
                Quote: evil hamster
                And it is obvious that in the places of the greatest bending moments, in the center of the body, there are several such "seams" connecting several central sections

                Thank you hi
                We will wait for the next articles about the Mistral and there everything will be repeated for many as in the previous ones laughing
                For me they would have already let me down and done it calmly and not shouted at the whole Ivanovo would have been enough volumetric news of putting into operation than to sort through the cog. hi
                Good luck, good man! hi
      2. Mhpv
        Mhpv 22 July 2013 23: 32
        0
        Quote: Hemi Cuda
        Finished Mistrals do not fall apart, like the Amer Nimes.

        Especially for you, dear, study why I asked a normal and completely natural question, and from you, stupidly screaming cheers, they adjusted the ass to the nose, got squabbles and splashes of misunderstanding of the essence of the question:
        "In general, the ship's hull is affected by gravity, hydrostatic and hydrodynamic forces, inertial forces, vibration loads, forces of interaction of the ship's hull with ice, forces arising from bulk during mooring operations at sea, low temperatures, impacts of the hull on an oncoming wave, especially in cases where the bow end is exposed, after entering the water of which there is a sharp increase in hydrodynamic forces, causing the ship to bend, and after the termination of action - vibration of the hull, etc. When designing ships, the solid dimensions of the ship's hull are determined in accordance with the requirements of the Rules and Provisional Regulations strength of sea vessels of the Register of the USSR.

        These regulatory documents allow the determination of the solid dimensions of the housing and using direct calculations. The strength of the hull during its general deformation is called the total strength of the vessel, the strength of its individual structures (sides, decks, bottoms, bulkheads, etc.) with their local deformation - local strength.

        From the standpoint of overall strength, the vessel is considered as a hollow composite beam having cross sections of variable length and undergoing generally bending deformations in horizontal and vertical planes, shear and torsion deformations. Deformation of the ship's hull in the vertical longitudinal plane is usually called the general longitudinal bending, and the strength in the general longitudinal bending is called the general longitudinal strength.

        In accordance with the requirements of the Provisional Standards for the Strength of Sea-Going Ships, the strength of the ship's hull is checked by the allowable stresses and by the limit state. In the first case, the ability of the ship's hull to resist the forces acting during normal operation is revealed, in the second - the ability to resist short-term overloads. "
        1. Mhpv
          Mhpv 22 July 2013 23: 34
          0
          Quote: mhpv
          the ability to resist short-term overload. "

          Continued:
          "According to the theory of bending of beams, considered in the course" Resistance of Materials ", normal bending stresses can be determined by the formula where is the bending moment in the calculated cross-section of the ship's hull (beam), kN - m; z, is the distance of the center of gravity (CG) - connection of the cross-section of the ship's hull from its neutral axis (HO), m; but the main central moment of inertia of the cross-section of the ship's hull relative to the HO section, m, but is the moment of resistance of the cross-section of the ship's hull relative to the HO, m. On calm water the ship is in the state of equilibrium under the influence of gravity and maintenance forces, however, the intensity of the distribution of these forces along the length of the vessel is not the same, and when they are added, a diagram of the load acting on the vessel as on a beam of complex cross-section is obtained.

          Obviously, if in the middle part of the vessel there is an excess of support forces, and in the extremities - gravity, then the vessel is bent, tensile stresses arise in the deck, and compression occurs in the bottom. With a change in the ratio of gravity and maintenance, a deflection of the vessel is observed, the nature of the stresses changes. On an unrest, a change in the plot of the support forces occurs due to a change in the size and shape of the wetted (underwater) surface of the vessel.

          So, at the top of the wave, the value of the support force in the middle part of the vessel increases significantly, in the extremities it decreases and the kink of the vessel is observed, at the bottom of the wave there is a deflection. By summing the bending moments and shear forces in still water and in waves, the calculated values ​​of the static shear force Q and the bending moment are obtained.

          Obviously, the greatest normal stresses during longitudinal bending occur in the middle part of the hull in the areas of the deck and bottom, and in the extremities and in the area of ​​the waterline they are much less. It is in the most stressed structures that destruction can occur. The calculation methodology and Q are given in the Rules and Provisional Norms of Strength of Sea Ships.

          As can be seen from the formula, the highest normal stresses arise in the bonds of the housing, the most remote from the BUT cross section. The cross section of the hull includes side and bottom cladding, decking, platforms and the second bottom, longitudinal ties of the hull, forming a cross section of a hollow beam, called an equivalent beam.
          This will happen when the compressive stresses, calculated without taking into account the loss of stability, are greater than the critical stresses obtained when calculating the stability of the mentioned bonds. As a result, the plates of decks, platforms or cladding will bulge and will not be able to absorb longitudinal forces in excess of buckling forces. This additional part of the load will be perceived by longitudinal bonds that have not lost their stability, the stresses in them will increase. "
          1. Mhpv
            Mhpv 22 July 2013 23: 43
            0
            And in addition:

            When meeting a wave, even the sharp nose of the ship receives a powerful blow as if it were a hard surface, and this wave travels through the entire hull. I believe I happened to get into such a storm in Chukotka.
            Therefore, it’s not that he will fall apart from the dock and while serving in the Pacific Ocean he will either stand in the base or constantly hide in the bays, ask the Pacific people what the Pacific Pacific is like.
            Everyone else advocates just because they are big too.
            Maybe not cheers patriotic but honestly.
            1. evil hamster
              evil hamster 23 July 2013 10: 26
              +1
              For example, the mortgage "Grigorovich"

              as you can see the section of the central part of the body. So the joint in the center is still present.
              Here is "Amber"

              same picture

              Essen is an owl central section.
              So what difference does it make to assemble multiple sections or from 2 blocks if there is still a vertical weld close to the center of the ship?
            2. dmitreach
              dmitreach 23 July 2013 12: 55
              0

              then it’s better that way.
              Hence the question: why cruise ships do not fall into such a storm? (you won’t find such shots with Queen Elizabeth - a Vista class cruise ship) Or with Yusov’s aircraft carriers.
              I understand that for you it will be the opening of the Mistral problem with the opening of the gate ports, and the fact that in "over fifty modifications for Russia" this problem was also implied. This military, if you may say (in a sense): "TRANSPORTATION of weapons" not intended for northern latitudes. I'm not talking about his "ice class", which they tried to "urgently come up with." And it should be viewed precisely as a military transport, and not compared with Kuzya. Yes, even if we compare: according to TB, at what excitement in points, flights are canceled?
    2. Coward
      Coward 22 July 2013 16: 41
      +1
      I think this connection will be the Achilles heel of Mistral

      And how does this connection differ from neighboring joints? Or are adjacent joints welded somehow differently?
  17. Wedmak
    Wedmak 22 July 2013 12: 57
    0
    By the way, what did you decide on the landing boats? Our will be?
  18. rugor
    rugor 22 July 2013 14: 32
    +2
    Our ships are more beautiful!
  19. Dmitry Zurn
    Dmitry Zurn 22 July 2013 16: 15
    0
    A good ship, but bad that there is no springboard. There would be an impetus for the development of aircraft construction programs with vertical take-off and landing. The Yakovlev Design Bureau would be reanimated. Again, new jobs (highly intelligent). Yes, and the connection status and opportunities would be wider.
  20. Whale
    Whale 22 July 2013 17: 41
    -5
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QXwlUsrv8_o
    1. dmitreach
      dmitreach 22 July 2013 17: 51
      +5
      about the T90 and the Shell C was especially pleased. a good example of sedimentary agitation. author come on.
  21. wolf1945
    wolf1945 22 July 2013 23: 48
    0
    bad that you yourself have forgotten how to do it! soldier
  22. Navuxonastupil
    Navuxonastupil 23 July 2013 00: 23
    0
    The photo in the title reminded an old joke about a Georgian who tied a goat to a train and, naturally, found one head at the station after the trip ...