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Russian fighters in Lida - a nightmare administration Komorowski

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Interestingly, in Poland itself at least someone understands what “contribution” Warsaw made to Russian fighters appear on the Polish borders. Really no one predicted that Poland’s participation in the creation of Euro-missile defense, the deployment of American F-16 aircraft on its territory, an unprecedented buildup of its own military power will trigger retaliatory steps from the Union State of Belarus and Russia. Both in Minsk and Moscow at the same time came to the conclusion that it was necessary to unite the interests of states both in the political sphere and in the sphere of military security. Therefore, the placement of Russian aviation a military unit in Belarus is an adequate response to the buildup of NATO military activity in Poland and the Baltic countries, as well as a completely logical step in the development of the Unified Regional Air Defense System, the agreement on the creation of which was signed in February 2009.


The EPC for Air Defense allows creating conditions for increasing the reliability of the protection and defense of the western borders of the Union State, as well as the quality of control over compliance with the rules for using the airspace of Belarus and Russia in the region. Forces and means of air defense will be applied according to a single plan and plan. The agreement also provides for equipping troops and forces of the air defense system of anti-aircraft defense with armament and military equipment on the basis of a common military-technical policy, to develop uniform requirements for their combat readiness and training, organization of operational and combat training. In the period of danger and in time of war, part of the forces and means of EPC air defense will be used as part of the regional grouping of troops (forces) of Belarus and Russia.

The EPC air defense assigned several tasks. This is not only the control and protection of the external border of the Union State in the airspace, but also, in particular, the application of appropriate actions against aircraft that fly in violation of established rules. Possible and suppression of such flights. Also among the tasks of the system is to assist aircraft in the event of force majeure situations. The agreement also provides for joint training of specialists in universities of the two countries.

At present, the Air Defense Forces and Air Defense Forces and Air Defense Forces of Belarus, the air defense of two associations of the Russian Air Force, as well as part of the Baltic forces fleet.

However, in practice, the process of EPC air defense operation is not always as smooth as we would like. In particular, the withdrawal of Su-27 fighters from the air force and air defense forces of Belarus, which have developed their own flight resources, led to a certain decrease in the effectiveness of solving airborne security tasks. Under these conditions, decisions were made that would not only compensate for the losses, but also increase the combat potential of the EPC. First of all, it has begun the process of staffing the Air Force and Air Defense Forces of Belarus with new modern weapons and the modernization of the existing ones. In addition, for the combat duty in the airspace will be involved fighter aircraft of Russia.

In 2013, these plans received a new impetus for implementation. During the April meeting of the ministers of defense of Russia and Belarus, a decision was made to strengthen the Belarusian component of the EPC air defense. It implies the deployment of the Russian Fighter Aviation Regiment in Belarus. At the first stage, it is planned to set up a link of Russian fighters for combat duty and to create an aviation commandant's office. The next step will be the redeployment of a Russian aviation military unit to Belarus. It is noteworthy that modern Russian fighter planes SU-27SMZ, which are a modern aviation strike complex, will be in service with the Russian air regiment. In parallel with this, the Russian side will transfer four C-300 divisions on preferential terms.

The delivery of the Tor-M2 air defense system to the armament of the Belarusian military units continues. Two batteries have already replenished the fleet of weapons and military equipment of the 120-th zrbr of the Western operational-tactical command. The third battery should arrive before the end of the current year. These activities, carried out within the framework of the implementation of the joint program for the development of the ERA air defense, are aimed at ensuring reliable and guaranteed protection of the borders of the Union State in airspace. In addition, all the nuances of the functioning of the EPC air defense system were recently worked out at operational and combat training events, including during joint West-2009 and Union-2011 Shield maneuvers, as well as the annual Combat Commonwealth maneuvers. This made it possible to achieve a sufficiently high interoperability of all the compounds and parts included in the grouping. Issues of joint actions in the framework of the EPC will also be worked out at the upcoming exercise "West-2013".

Already today, according to many experts, the creation of an EPC for air defense increased the overall effectiveness of air defense in the region for Belarus by 1,4-1,6 times, and for Russia - by 1,7 times. For some indicators of the effectiveness of combat command and control of troops (forces), air defense increased by 25-27 percent, the combat effectiveness of the air defense system - by 33-35 percent.

It should be noted that cooperation is also observed between enterprises of the military-industrial complexes of the two countries where there are serious achievements and successes. At 2566, the plant for the repair of electronic weapons (Borisov) mastered the processes of modernization and repair of the C-300PT / PS, Buk and Osa-AKM air defense systems, the Tunguska air defense system, a wide range of radar stations, ground equipment and control complexes. As part of the Russian-Belarusian MFPG "Defense Systems", the plant is one of the leading performers for the modernization of the C-125M air defense system into the Pechora-2М variant for export deliveries, performs work on the modernization of air defense systems for the Tetrahedr and NIISA projects.

Many military experts are trying to call the EPC Air Defense a response to the creation of a global missile defense system by the Pentagon, and European missile defense in particular. But such comparisons are not entirely correct. If the main function of the Belarusian-Russian project is to protect the airspace of Belarus and Russia, the American system is primarily aimed at neutralizing the Russian nuclear potential. This fact cannot but cause political confrontation and not create military tensions in the region.

It should be borne in mind that the very idea of ​​creating a unified air defense system has great potential and possibilities for further development. Understanding this, the leadership of Russia and the CSTO using the example of the Belarusian-Russian EPC seeks to create similar systems in the Caucasus (with Armenia) and Central Asian (with Kazakhstan) regions. At the same time, the benefits acquired by the CSTO member states are obvious. In the case of the creation of a global system of aerospace defense, the efficiency of airspace control and border security is significantly increased, and at the lowest cost.
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  1. JIaIIoTb
    JIaIIoTb 23 July 2013 07: 38 New
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    Interestingly, in Poland itself at least someone understands what “contribution” Warsaw made to Russian fighters appear on the Polish borders.

    I don’t think that the Poles understand anything at all. Their thinking lacks the concept of a causal relationship of everything that happens.
    And whatever we do, we will still be bad for them. I would throw to the Belarusians still with islanders with poplars that Poland would be constantly in a state of permanent diarrhea.
    Sincerely.
    1. INTER
      INTER 23 July 2013 08: 57 New
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      In order to collect the whole picture is missing 1 piece
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      2. NUT
        NUT 23 July 2013 09: 23 New
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        Quote: INTER
        In order to collect the whole picture is missing 1 piece
        And with that “piece”, you look, and the rest “pieces” will catch up
        1. INTER
          INTER 23 July 2013 09: 30 New
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          Quote: NUT
          And with that “piece”, you look, and the rest “pieces” will catch up

          Correctly say, this triple is the basis, the core, and the periphery will be reached through example and imitation))
        2. DEfindER
          DEfindER 23 July 2013 12: 21 New
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          Quote: NUT
          And with that “piece”, you look, and the rest “pieces” will catch up

          Then it’s possible, the Russian Empire of 1754, a map from the British archive of the 18 century:

          The western part of Russia is not included because Initially, the people did not recognize the Romanovs, and they waged a civil war for a long time (Pugachev uprising), and won only thanks to the talent of Suvorov (who was forced to oppose Pugachev), and a huge number of mercenaries from Europe
          1. abrakadabre
            abrakadabre 23 July 2013 12: 28 New
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            Funny theory. Its provisions could be true if it had been said about some 1615-20 years. But Pugachev’s time ... Why then did Pugachev declare himself to be the embroidered Peter, and not some Rurikovich? Why didn’t he throw a cry about "Down with the Romanov usurper dynasty"?
            But I like your card. In part of the border in Afghanistan, Tibet and the Great Wall of China. In this part, you can excite the example of the Japs.
            wassat
            By the way, something Alaska is not visible there. Looks like the British did not yet suspect its existence.
            1. DEfindER
              DEfindER 23 July 2013 14: 25 New
              +3
              Quote: abrakadabre
              Why, then, did Pugachev declare himself to be the embroidered Peter, and not some Rurikovich? Why didn’t he throw a cry about "Down with the Romanov usurper dynasty"?

              As the winners know, history is written, and even Pushkin himself was not allowed access to the archives of the Pugachev war, it is known that Pugachev was tried not somewhere, but in the Throne Hall of the Kremlin Palace, which is strange for an ordinary bandit .. He called Emperor Peter Fedorovich himself, i.e. though he was a descendant of the Romanovs (because the Rurikovich were all slaughtered during the turmoil), but the people supported him because saw in it the salvation of a country that the current authorities actively reformed into Europe, destroying Russian culture. It is known, even from textbooks, that in the high society of the Romanovs it was not proper to speak Russian and they spoke exclusively in German or French.
              1. Zhaman-Urus
                Zhaman-Urus 23 July 2013 16: 04 New
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                And where does the information that the Rurikovich were all cut out, the Dolgoruky mine, and now have a place to be, and they are just the Rurikovich. Sit down TWO!
                1. DEfindER
                  DEfindER 23 July 2013 16: 51 New
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                  Quote: Zhaman-Urus
                  And where does the information that the Rurikovich were all cut out, the Dolgoruky mine, and now have a place to be, and they are just the Rurikovich. Sit down TWO!

                  And what does Dolgoruky have to do with it, they were in power even before Moscow became the head of Russia, they were Rostov and Kiev princes. But the last of the Rurikovich heirs of Ivan the Terrible was False Dmitry who was killed during the unrest, which brought Shuisky into power and after them the Romanovs. Teach History better and you will see that there are many more interesting and unsolved questions that remain, believe me there is still something to discover, especially in Russian history.
                  1. abrakadabre
                    abrakadabre 24 July 2013 09: 32 New
                    +3
                    But the last of the Rurikovich heirs of Ivan the Terrible was False Dmitry
                    Yah! Did he tell you that? Or showed a passport. By the way, which of the False Dmitry?
                    believe me there is still something to discover, especially in Russian history
                    To begin with, I suggest opening textbooks. Quoting you: “you will see that there are many more interesting and unsolved questions left”
              2. abrakadabre
                abrakadabre 24 July 2013 09: 28 New
                +2
                Remember this principle: Occam's razor. Do not produce entities - theories of "tearing the covers." Fomenkovism is all.
          2. Djozz
            Djozz 23 July 2013 12: 52 New
            +3
            Well, Suvorov ripened to the "hat analysis" in the suppression of the Pugachev riot.
          3. Su24
            Su24 23 July 2013 13: 02 New
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            Quote: DEfindER


            The western part of Russia is not included because Initially, the people did not recognize the Romanovs, and they waged a civil war for a long time (Pugachev uprising), and won only thanks to the talent of Suvorov (who was forced to oppose Pugachev), and a huge number of mercenaries from Europe


            What kind of insanity?)
            1. DEfindER
              DEfindER 23 July 2013 14: 37 New
              +1
              Quote: Su24
              What kind of insanity?)

              But you don’t feel insanity that taking the city outside the city, the Pugachev’s gang almost reached Moscow, and the throne was already burning under the Romanovs. Well this is what kind of army should be, I think no worse than Hitler in the 41st, only came from the east.
          4. DEfindER
            DEfindER 23 July 2013 17: 26 New
            +4
            Russian Empire 1754, map from the 18th century British archive:

            Tueva threw a bunch of minuses and not a single comment. Of course, several hundred rating units are nonsense, but still I think that every minus should be with a comment! What does not like in the map, or in the version of the Pugachev war as a great war of the west and east of the empire? Answers like "this is all nonsense" I do not consider the answer, because It remains unclear how (according to the official version) a full-fledged war can be called an ordinary uprising, when Moscow was on the verge of Pugachev’s army taking. By the way, the name Pugachev was invented by Catherine, as a demonization of the image of the leader of the uprising. And which by the way called him the Marquis.
            1. kotvov
              kotvov 23 July 2013 19: 01 New
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              Pugachev is the ataman’s family name, and Catherine ordered the family and relatives of the fools to be called.
            2. aviator65
              aviator65 24 July 2013 21: 08 New
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              People were simply instilled with a "classical" understanding of our history, which was once written on a specific order and taken for an axiom. Therefore, any interpretation of it that does not fit into the canons causes reflex rejection in the majority. Let those who wish revere N. Levashov or the same M. Zadorny at least.
              There are other authors who disclose this topic. Only the majority’s reaction, regrettably, to such a proposal is quite predictable: "Yes, I know this Zadorny ...", "nonsense is everything", etc. Why destroy the prevailing stereotypes? So probably live a calmer life.
          5. Anat1974
            Anat1974 23 July 2013 17: 40 New
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            Is it otkudova?
          6. Avenger711
            Avenger711 23 July 2013 19: 07 New
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            Sorry, but you, or just troll? From the Romanovs to the Pugachev, 16 years old, as it were, but Suvorov did not take any part in the Pugachev region, except for the convoy of the Pugachev himself, because he was sent there for a hat analysis.
            1. DEfindER
              DEfindER 24 July 2013 10: 31 New
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              Quote: Avenger711
              and Suvorov did not take any part in the Pugachev region, except for the convoy of the Pugachev

              The fact that Pugachev almost reached Moscow a historical fact reflected in the annals, do you want to say that the country's leadership would not have included its main commander for its own salvation? He was even removed from the Turkish company.
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        3. fedorovith
          fedorovith 23 July 2013 12: 43 New
          +1
          Yes, you don’t have to pull anyone up; show me tired, like everyone else ....
        4. Su24
          Su24 23 July 2013 13: 01 New
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          Quote: NUT
          Quote: INTER
          In order to collect the whole picture is missing 1 piece
          And with that “piece”, you look, and the rest “pieces” will catch up


          Only Alaska and Iran are not needed in FIG, but Tibet and the Balkans should be annexed.
      3. abrakadabre
        abrakadabre 23 July 2013 09: 34 New
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        Not 1 piece. A little more. I am beyond 1913 to begin with. Well, or even 1900. So that our Kuril Islands and Sakhalin remain.
        laughing
        1. Ezhaak
          Ezhaak 23 July 2013 09: 44 New
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          Quote: abrakadabre
          I am beyond 1913 to begin with. Well, or even 1900. So that our Kuril Islands and Sakhalin remain.

          Alas, in those years, the Kuriles and Sakhalin were already with the Japanese, and therefore lost the 1905 war. Defeated in Tsushima. Russia did not have a free passage for ships to Vladivostok, all passages were fired by the Japanese from coastal batteries.
          1. abrakadabre
            abrakadabre 23 July 2013 09: 57 New
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            Therefore, it was corrected that it was not 1913, but 1900. After 1905, the Japanese squeezed Sakhalin and the Kuril Islands. :)
            1. Ezhaak
              Ezhaak 23 July 2013 10: 09 New
              +2
              Here, in brief, the whole story with the Kuril Islands and Sakhalin. And if part of Sakhalin, it really is 1905, then smoked much earlier.
              http://tsushima.su/forums/viewtopic.php?id=1455
              1. abrakadabre
                abrakadabre 23 July 2013 10: 14 New
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                Let's not break the spears. I agree with you. It was inaccurate. You understood my main point. And I see, you share it.
                wink
                1. Ezhaak
                  Ezhaak 23 July 2013 10: 21 New
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                  What spears? Well, these are trifles in comparison with the “cover” of the airfields that grew up at Avdotya Karkarlovna who appeared here. laughing hi
                  1. abrakadabre
                    abrakadabre 23 July 2013 10: 41 New
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                    On every "cover" we have a rolling. And in general, our surgery has been famous since the time of Pirogov. Amputations will be mastered even by a medical student laughing
          2. Starina_hank
            Starina_hank 23 July 2013 16: 16 New
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            To put it mildly, not entirely accurate information!
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        3. INTER
          INTER 23 July 2013 10: 04 New
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          Quote: abrakadabre
          Not 1 piece. A little more. I am beyond 1913 to begin with. Well, or even 1900. So that our Kuril Islands and Sakhalin remain.
          laughing

          + Iran for access to the Indian Ocean, they will not mind, thereby we cut Eurasia into areas of influence and dependence. Well, this is already thinking out loud)) I myself modified it myself)
          1. abrakadabre
            abrakadabre 23 July 2013 10: 25 New
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            Then we cut Eurasia not just into areas of influence, but in half. Great idea !!!

            But! Gentlemen, it's time to stop with our dreams. And then it becomes like a meeting of the council of King Piccrocal from the immortal work of Francois Rabelais about Gargantua and Pantagruel, 16th century.
            wassat
            1. INTER
              INTER 23 July 2013 11: 15 New
              +3
              Quote: abrakadabre
              But! Gentlemen, it's time to stop with our dreams. And then it becomes like a meeting of the council of King Piccrocal from the immortal work of Francois Rabelais about Gargantua and Pantagruel, 16th century.

              Good thoughts materialize laughing laughing
            2. Scoun
              Scoun 23 July 2013 11: 47 New
              +2
              Quote: abrakadabre
              But! Gentlemen, it's time to stop with our dreams.

              at one time, these "dreams" embodied the British so to speak (but with a different "sauce")
              1. abrakadabre
                abrakadabre 23 July 2013 11: 55 New
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                And where is it all?
                The proud Leo turned into a flea mongrel in the service of his former outskirts. What you offer is seductive. But it’s premature.
                For the future, I completely agree with you
            3. KazaK Bo
              KazaK Bo 23 July 2013 20: 47 New
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              Quote: abrakadabre
              But! Gentlemen, it's time to stop with our dreams. And then it becomes like a meeting of the council of King Piccrocal from the immortal work of Francois Rabelais about Gargantua and Pantagruel, 16th century.

              You just cut it off ... In due time, we also drew a map of the victorious procession of socialism ... we finished it !!! Stop dreaming ...
              1. abrakadabre
                abrakadabre 24 July 2013 09: 35 New
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                It is necessary to dream. This is useful. But not too looking away from reality smile
            4. cherkas.oe
              cherkas.oe 24 July 2013 00: 43 New
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              Quote: abrakadabre
              Francois Rabelais about Gargantua and Pantagruel, 16th century.
              wassat

              yeah, capons in the studio and burgnian. tongue
          2. malikszh
            malikszh 23 July 2013 11: 51 New
            +1
            why did you separate Turkmenistan? Russia provides Turkmenistan with gas from Europe
          3. Suhov
            Suhov 23 July 2013 12: 38 New
            +1
            Quote: INTER
            Iran for access to the Indian Ocean, they will not mind, thereby we cut Eurasia into areas of influence and dependence. Well, this is already thinking out loud)) I myself modified it myself)

            That's right, but moving to the Indian Ocean you lost Alaska!
            Perhaps in a hurry?
            laughing
            1. INTER
              INTER 23 July 2013 13: 19 New
              +1
              Quote: Sukhov
              That's right, but moving to the Indian Ocean you lost Alaska!
              Perhaps in a hurry?

              No, no, I didn’t forget about it at all, but I mentioned in another article about rebooting))) laughing
          4. Selevc
            Selevc 23 July 2013 13: 49 New
            +1
            ABOUT !!! Cool Iran looks with Russia !!! Finally, those who wanted to wash their boots in the Indian Ocean will be able to do this :))))))))))))
          5. Andrew-001
            Andrew-001 24 July 2013 00: 40 New
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            But what about the “buttons on the Baltic vest” not to match the main costume wink
            Yes, and Mongolia is our long-standing and faithful ally - there would have been a place for him in a single state fellow
            And why the Russian territories in Europe are pale gray - do mercy - dokraste repeat
      4. Gari
        Gari 23 July 2013 10: 04 New
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        Realizing this, the leadership of Russia and the CSTO, using the example of the Belarusian-Russian EPC, is striving to create similar systems in the Caucasus (with Armenia) and Central Asian (with Kazakhstan) regions.

        Russia and Armenia will create a unified air defense system similar to that existing with Belarus. This was announced at a press conference in Moscow on Friday by the Secretary General of the Collective Security Treaty Organization (CSTO) Nikolai Bordyuzha.
        However, this system will have the status of a united and not a single one due to the fact that Russia and Armenia do not have a common border.
      5. Geisenberg
        Geisenberg 23 July 2013 11: 46 New
        +3
        Quote: INTER
        In order to collect the whole picture is missing 1 piece


        But this piece is not enough for us ... This piece eats itself and copulates itself. There is still something to devour on yourself and someone to fuck, so that let him be there somehow for now ...
        1. INTER
          INTER 23 July 2013 13: 20 New
          +2
          Quote: Geisenberg
          But this piece is not enough for us ... This piece eats itself and copulates itself. There is still something to devour on yourself and someone to fuck, so that let him be there somehow for now ...

          But the result will be one, joining, sooner or later!
      6. malikszh
        malikszh 23 July 2013 11: 54 New
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        Here, Kazakhstan, as always, a testing ground for weapons crying , we still do not release anything and the market for goods of Russia and Belarus sad !
    2. Hauptmann emil
      Hauptmann emil 23 July 2013 09: 06 New
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      The Iskanders will definitely not interfere. Why poplar? So they will throw their missiles to Poland. What's the point? Cockroaches should be spanked with a slipper, and not from a howitzer.
    3. xxxMYSTICxxx
      xxxMYSTICxxx 23 July 2013 09: 15 New
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      Quote: JIaIIoTb
      Interestingly, in Poland itself at least someone understands what “contribution” Warsaw made to Russian fighters appear on the Polish borders.

      I don’t think that the Poles understand anything at all. Their thinking lacks the concept of a causal relationship of everything that happens.
      And whatever we do, we will still be bad for them. I would throw to the Belarusians still with islanders with poplars that Poland would be constantly in a state of permanent diarrhea.
      Sincerely.

      First of all, poplar is a strategic nuclear baton, and it is pointless and wasteful to use it at such distances - we don’t have enough for ourselves, and for the Iskander we have the Kaliningrad region, so why give the dad an extra argument for bidding? But the multiple launch rocket systems for stripping the border regions, that’s it
      1. NUT
        NUT 23 July 2013 09: 49 New
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        Quote: xxxMYSTICxxx
        why dad give an extra argument
        Old Man chews his own piece of fat, drinks it with his "bison", walks in his own made pants and sandals. It won’t be here, Old Man is bargaining, he understands that We hope for our brother - but don’t be too bad, and the harder the "argument" on his "collective farm", the less willing to encroach on him ...
    4. PROXOR
      PROXOR 23 July 2013 09: 30 New
      +4
      Quote: JIaIIoTb
      I would throw to the Belarusians still with islanders with poplars that Poland would be constantly in a state of permanent diarrhea.

      Enough of a dozen iskander. Well, a dozen containers of the Club system. With such a set, the air and ground defense system of Poland can be considered a fiat.
      1. serzhserzh86
        serzhserzh86 25 July 2013 14: 42 New
        +1
        I consider the name of the Club system treacherous, because it should be called a Russian name !!! otherwise we’ll start to give our weapons Western names ... it’s worthless to do so
    5. strange and pretty meaningless
      strange and pretty meaningless 23 July 2013 09: 42 New
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      Quote: JIaIIoTb
      I don’t think that the Poles understand anything at all. Their thinking lacks the concept of a causal relationship of everything that happens.

      M-dya, it is worth recalling the mood of the Polish press in front of WWII. We will defeat, go through the rear, destitute, bloodless. Only while the psheks were cocking, Aloysich and Koba had already divided them.
      1. stroporez
        stroporez 23 July 2013 10: 58 New
        +8
        Quote: abyrvalg
        Only while the psheks were cocking, Aloizich and Koba had already divided them
        and this --------- right. not even Schaub brain-sick people stumbled unattended ..........
    6. SHAKESPEARE
      SHAKESPEARE 23 July 2013 10: 15 New
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      I completely agree with you, dear. Here, Ukraine would have been along with the Bulbashs and Russians, but for the Ukrainian oligarchs their loot in Europe is more expensive than the security of their country, and with the Poles strong friendships still will not be due to the Volyn massacre, this is equivalent to a wolf making friends with a sheep. But the Ukrainian Banderstat cannot get used to being sneak peasants of the Poles and their mercenaries. Lizh would be paid, fed and poured.
      1. gura
        gura 23 July 2013 13: 57 New
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        From Minsk. Somehow you, zanibrata, really come out, Mr. Shakespeare! Bulbashy agree! Have you asked them, in your great English language? "Raski", in your dictionary, agree, but this still does not mean anything. Consent "hoh ... ov," in your dictionary, you must have! There is a very good film by Charlie Chaplin "The Dictator" about how Hitler conquered and joined on a state globe. Look, maybe something will remind you of this discussion and your opus. Accept and so on.
        1. Ustian
          Ustian 25 July 2013 01: 04 New
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          How much bile! laughing
    7. Su24
      Su24 23 July 2013 12: 59 New
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      Quote: JIaIIoTb
      And whatever we do, we will still be bad for them. I would throw to the Belarusians still with islanders with poplars that Poland would be constantly in a state of permanent diarrhea.


      Only Poplars have nothing to do with it. And Belarus does have plans for the purchase of Iskanders.
    8. Suhov
      Suhov 23 July 2013 13: 09 New
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      Quote: JIaIIoTb
      Interestingly, in Poland itself at least someone understands what “contribution” Warsaw made to Russian fighters appear on the Polish borders.

      Speaking of birds.
      The deployment of US missile defense elements in Poland is the work of Kaczynski.
      The deployment of fighters in Belarus is our reaction.
      And what's funny.
      Other ducklings (Sukhoi fighters) responded to the hostility of some ducks (Kaczynski brothers):
      Kaczynski is a Polish surname. It comes from the word “pitching” - a duck in Polish.
      Drying in the first photo also resembles ducklings.
      wassat
    9. discard
      discard 30 July 2013 13: 36 New
      -1
      The Poles do not forget 1939 - the division of Poland between Germany and the USSR.
    10. fktrcfylh.h09
      fktrcfylh.h09 21 August 2013 21: 54 New
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      http://telegrafist.org/2013/08/21/80085/

      Review of aircraft in Russia and the states
  2. kind
    kind 23 July 2013 07: 40 New
    +2
    Interestingly, in Poland itself at least someone understands what “contribution” Warsaw made to Russian fighters appear on the Polish borders. Really no one predicted that Poland’s participation in the creation of Euro-missile defense, the deployment of American F-16 aircraft on its territory, an unprecedented buildup of its own military power would trigger retaliatory steps from the Union State of Belarus and Russia.

    We are not to blame! They themselves first started.
    1. Refund_SSSR
      Refund_SSSR 23 July 2013 08: 07 New
      +4
      Set aside tantrums
    2. Akim
      Akim 23 July 2013 09: 30 New
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      Quote: Good
      We are not to blame! They themselves first started.

      Here is a key phrase flies throughout the Polish press.
  3. serge-68-68
    serge-68-68 23 July 2013 07: 44 New
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    The security of any state is a priority for this state. And personally, it makes no difference to me what Komorowski dreams about.
    However, many Polish politicians have had a bad dream for a long time - we must at least somehow pay attention to ourselves (the Baltic politicians also sin by this).
  4. makst83
    makst83 23 July 2013 07: 57 New
    12
    Let Pan Komarovsky and Poland c # ussy, put the Iskander, will also c # s!)
  5. AVDOTYAKARLOVNA
    AVDOTYAKARLOVNA 23 July 2013 08: 08 New
    -46
    Base in Lida chickens to laugh! Sense from her like a goat's milk. Given that Russia “always has everything” happening “suddenly” and that the Baltics are the same enemies as Poland, one “sudden art. Strike will smash the entire airdrome along with airplanes to pieces.
    1. Regis
      Regis 23 July 2013 08: 23 New
      29
      The introduction of the udaaaaaaaap udaaaaaar Estooooooonn army stretch for a week, no less)
    2. omsbon
      omsbon 23 July 2013 08: 27 New
      +4
      Quote: AVDOTYAKARLOVNA
      The Baltics are the same enemies as Poland, one “sudden art. Strike will smash the entire airdrome together with airplanes into chips.

      Then a nightmare will come true!
    3. lewerlin53rus
      lewerlin53rus 23 July 2013 08: 32 New
      13
      Quote: AVDOTYAKARLOVNA
      one "sudden art. strike will smash the entire airfield along with airplanes into chips.

      Well, yes, and then recoil does not torment?
      1. stroporez
        stroporez 23 July 2013 11: 00 New
        +1
        no-no torment. by the time the organizers of this strike had already successfully squirted from the dangerous territory
    4. valokordin
      valokordin 23 July 2013 08: 49 New
      +9
      Quote: AVDOTYAKARLOVNA
      AVDOTYAKARLOVNA RU Today, 08:08

      Base in Lida chickens to laugh! Sense from her like a goat's milk. Given that Russia “always has everything” happening “suddenly” and that the Baltics are the same enemies as Poland, one “sudden art. Strike will smash the entire airdrome along with airplanes to pieces.

      Wow Avdotya Nikitichna, you’re not going to cover the airfield with an old woman’s handkerchief, there are air defense equipment for this. Dog krev.
      1. Ezhaak
        Ezhaak 23 July 2013 09: 55 New
        +4
        Quote: valokordin
        you are not going to cover the airdrome with an old scarf

        What is an old handkerchief? What are the little things. This Avdotya Karkalovna will cover that aerodrome with its own 3,14 drive. It will be fatter than a copper basin.
    5. mogus
      mogus 23 July 2013 08: 52 New
      +8
      Base in Lida chickens to laugh!
      Sense from her like a goat
      milk. Given that
      Russia "always everything"
      happens "suddenly" and what
      The Baltics are the same enemies as Poland, one
      "sudden art. strike
      will smash the whole
      airfield with
      by airplanes.
      maybe you should think about what will happen to the attacking country? Events 08.08.08 do not resemble anything, no?
      1. Thunderbolt
        Thunderbolt 23 July 2013 09: 04 New
        12
        Quote: AVDOTYAKARLOVNA
        one "sudden art. punch
        Do not worry, Avdotya Karlovna, in case of any suddenlywe have a triad laughing
    6. S-200
      S-200 23 July 2013 09: 23 New
      10
      This Russian air base is more likely an indicator of aggression ... a warning of NATO initiatives in relation to a union state. And no one will laugh after the destruction of the air base ...
      1. VDV 80-82
        VDV 80-82 23 July 2013 10: 52 New
        +3
        there will simply be no one to laugh)))
    7. LaGlobal
      LaGlobal 23 July 2013 09: 34 New
      +5
      Quote: AVDOTYAKARLOVNA
      Base in Lida chickens to laugh! Sense from her like a goat's milk. Given that Russia “always has everything” happening “suddenly” and that the Baltics are the same enemies as Poland, one “sudden art. Strike will smash the entire airdrome along with airplanes to pieces.


      Comrades! May I kill this nits? Why does she need Russia and we, especially? Ile, let's destroy him morally!
    8. PROXOR
      PROXOR 23 July 2013 09: 35 New
      +7
      Quote: AVDOTYAKARLOVNA
      Base in Lida chickens to laugh! Sense from her like a goat's milk. Given that Russia “always has everything” happening “suddenly” and that the Baltics are the same enemies as Poland, one “sudden art. Strike will smash the entire airdrome along with airplanes to pieces.

      This is impossible. By focusing the art division on a position 20 kilometers from the base, they will immediately spot it. As soon as this art division opens fire, the return volley of Iskander and Aviation will begin immediately.
      1. Ezhaak
        Ezhaak 23 July 2013 10: 33 New
        +7
        Quote: PROXOR
        By focusing the art division on a position 20 kilometers from the base, they will immediately spot it.

        Citizens, what are you talking about? What are the 20 km, if the smallest to Lietuva is 32 km, and to Poland in general almost 120 km is the shortest distance from Lida. In fact, no artillery from Poland should reach.
        1. LaGlobal
          LaGlobal 23 July 2013 11: 39 New
          +2
          Quote: Hedgehog
          Citizens, what are you talking about? What are the 20 km, if the smallest to Lietuva is 32 km, and to Poland in general almost 120 km is the shortest distance from Lida. In fact, no artillery from Poland should reach.


          so here! What, in fact, is treated. This one is
          AVDOTYAKARLOVNA
          , causes confusion and throws misinformation. Therefore, I proposed to destroy it in any way! angry soldier

          soldier
          1. Ezhaak
            Ezhaak 23 July 2013 12: 13 New
            +1
            Quote: LaGlobal
            Therefore, I proposed to destroy it in any way!

            Saw, saw, but we, besides transferring her to a negative rank, well, and public censure, such as: Zyukaa !! we can’t do anything. And this miracle has already picked up the minuses. Almost to the fullest. And for more, in the virtual, I personally am not capable.
            1. LaGlobal
              LaGlobal 23 July 2013 13: 20 New
              +6
              Quote: Hedgehog
              And for more, in the virtual, I personally am not capable.


              Yesterday, VKontakte, there was an article about the Universiade in Kazan. I have never met so many hamsters bawling our athletes for outstanding results! They lose the Olympics - they are not satisfied, they win the Universiade - they are also not satisfied. They released Olympic champions against unfortunate students from around the world. And these hamsters themselves, you see, have forgotten how Chinese athletes collected a golden piggy bank in Shenzhen. Only now I did not observe claims against them.
              PS I apologize for being off topic. It’s just a scream from my heart that bleeds when I read such comments. I myself was born in Ukraine (western) and lived there for 17 years. Now I live in Russia. And it surprises me, my conclusions: how many people will defend the HOMELAND (happen, God forbid, what) ?? These rats behind the screens of their monitors, accustomed to fault Russia all and sundry! Another question arises: did you do anything for a better life in the country in which you were born and raised? (!) No, I will answer.

              I’m afraid when the supreme commander orders and comrades from the military enlistment office come for YOU, you will hide under the bed and you will say: “Putin didn’t give you an apartment, you didn’t buy a car, why should I go to fight for the country?”
              I’m afraid I’ll have to introduce the law “Not one step back”. “But why are there such people in the army and the country who are ready at any moment to escape over the hill or, worse, betray her?” (!) It hurts to actually look at all this ...
    9. abrakadabre
      abrakadabre 23 July 2013 09: 36 New
      +6
      The sleep of reason gives rise to monsters.
    10. AVV
      AVV 23 July 2013 10: 21 New
      +5
      And Iskander on what? And from artillery one wheels! And the Su-25 on what? A tornado system and its new analogues will be placed next to the airfield. So, nothing shines on Polish artillery!
    11. strange and pretty meaningless
      strange and pretty meaningless 23 July 2013 11: 16 New
      +6
      laughing laughing laughing MUCH a granny rolled out ...
    12. Silkway0026
      Silkway0026 23 July 2013 12: 14 New
      +7
      sudden strike by ONE Estonian tank? borrowed from Latvia?
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    14. Suhov
      Suhov 23 July 2013 15: 05 New
      +3
      Quote: AVDOTYAKARLOVNA
      Base in Lida chickens to laugh!

      You are right.
      fool
      Really!
      laughing
      Russian aviation military unit in Lida can amuse our "partners"
      but only those who have real, chicken brains!
      wassat
    15. KazaK Bo
      KazaK Bo 23 July 2013 21: 06 New
      +2
      Quote: AVDOTYAKARLOVNA
      Base in Lida chickens to laugh! Sense from her like a goat's milk.

      Well done! Even a goat milk, for speak competently ... It turns out? This is the first remark.
      The second ... in order to “shuffle” the artillery around the airfield ... it would be necessary to give this artillery a lift ... although you can give it a lift ... if only it will be possible to “sharahnite" from all the barrels ... I recently wrote on this topic. ..how would we, Russian fighters, be races ...... well, in general, not quite vigilant ... if you write in literary terms ... suddenly it is no longer possible to start a war. It’s provocative to give one or two shots ... you can still ... but not a single state in EUROPE will do this ... it will be for ourselves ... well, let’s say this ... it hurts ... it’s even clear ...
    16. cherkas.oe
      cherkas.oe 24 July 2013 00: 53 New
      +2
      Quote: AVDOTYAKARLOVNA
      one "sudden art. strike will smash the entire airfield along with airplanes into chips.

      Do not dream of Ben, they all have one and a half guns, and one artilleryman for three.
  6. waisson
    waisson 23 July 2013 08: 09 New
    +5
    yes fighters a nightmare and Iskanlers and poplars would be their wedge in the ass .......
  7. VohaAhov
    VohaAhov 23 July 2013 08: 09 New
    +8
    “Pshekacham” should be prescribed “Linex” for diarrhea. And the Iskanders will stand in Belarus. They will be in the Kaliningrad region. A year of commercials by 2015.
    1. tomas.09
      tomas.09 23 July 2013 10: 09 New
      +4
      Klystir with sawdust and glass they need to register !!!!
  8. MIKHAN
    MIKHAN 23 July 2013 08: 27 New
    +4
    This is only the beginning. As they say did not want to be good, we will act by their methods.
    1. shark
      shark 23 July 2013 08: 55 New
      +2
      Do not need theirs. You have to answer much harder .. or as they like to express themselves in the European Union not proportionally. Translated into Russian, this means that they can do nothing about it
      1. abrakadabre
        abrakadabre 23 July 2013 09: 39 New
        +4
        According to principle:
        - The ruble is from you.
        - Or maybe ...
        - Two rubles
        - What are you ...
        - Three rubles ...
        - This is a hornbeam ...
        - Four rubles and a snout from the foot! Any questions?
        laughing
        1. abrakadabre
          abrakadabre 23 July 2013 10: 27 New
          +2
          By the way, instead of the term "not proportionally", it is customary for us to use the term "asymmetrically"
          wink
  9. knn54
    knn54 23 July 2013 08: 55 New
    +1
    And this is only the first swallow.
  10. FunkschNNX
    FunkschNNX 23 July 2013 09: 00 New
    +1
    Quite natural actions to increase tension around the borders of Russia and its partners. The NATO members are not idiots and probably expected a response.
  11. pahom54
    pahom54 23 July 2013 09: 04 New
    +3
    Pleases !!! I am always pleased with any steps taken to raise the combat readiness of our Armed Forces, strengthen the defense capabilities of our country, any steps that make Russia respect, well, if not respect, at least be afraid. And let the Poles come out with eternal hatred of Russia, it’s already in their blood, so let them go crazy, it’s useful for them ...
  12. kartalovkolya
    kartalovkolya 23 July 2013 09: 04 New
    +3
    Well, gentlemen, politicians of the Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth, have waited for an adequate answer. The Anglo-Saxons have a good saying: "If you live in a glass house, don’t throw stones at a neighbor." I think the rake jumping is not only our national "disease", but it’s also contagious: here the Psheks picked it up! Good news, the direction is right, keep it up!
  13. Grenz
    Grenz 23 July 2013 09: 08 New
    +8
    Well, at least this material is optimistic today. +++ - Yes, even St. George's. It turns out that we, too, can have someone, and not just us. With all the existing problems in implementing this project, a courageous sovereign step is visible. It is necessary to turn it into a gait so that the Poles have trembling earth and heels. (As well as the Turks, well, further on the list).
    And if the "dog-dog" does not understand - to act as the GDRs did before - they published maps of Germany with American bases and zones of destruction from our missiles. The locals lost sleep.
    Good night Poles, but always remember - Iskander never sleeps !!!
  14. coserg 2012
    coserg 2012 23 July 2013 09: 20 New
    +5
    We retreated for a long time in silence, it was annoying, we were waiting for the battle .... Everyone knows that we drive fast, but it seems that we have already begun to harness!
  15. sergey32
    sergey32 23 July 2013 09: 20 New
    0
    Last year, there was a message at the VO that Belarusian dryers would be decommissioned and sold to bourgeois countries for the training of their pilots. Does anyone have information about the fate of these cars?
  16. Constantine
    Constantine 23 July 2013 09: 33 New
    0
    In Kaliningrad, it would also be worthwhile to strengthen air defense and the Air Force so that it could be covered by crossfire, and it’s more convenient to go deeper into Poland from Kaliningrad.
  17. Starover_Z
    Starover_Z 23 July 2013 09: 34 New
    +6
    Russian fighters in Lida - a nightmare administration Komorowski

    And they hoped that everyone around would be scared of American fighters and air defense systems and would run to be friends with them?
    "Whoever comes to us with a sword will be bent by shafting!"
  18. smiths xnumx
    smiths xnumx 23 July 2013 09: 39 New
    +7
    Well, taking into account the fact that Belarus is withdrawing from service and completely abandoning the Su-27, this base just makes sense in order to strengthen the Belarusian air defense. The ground forces of Belarus are very alert, but there are gaps in the air defense, for example, the famous "bear landing" when the commander of the Belarusian air defense lost his post. Moreover, NATO can use the "Polish card" against the "last dictator of Europe" to infringe on the rights of ethnic Poles living in the Grodno region. Poland is full of people wishing to regain the “gangway chairs”, and if the Banderaites were “worried” about the absence of Poles in Ukraine, Belarus did not have its own Bandera. Do not forget about the 18 SU-30s that India refused and which, for the second year, just in case, have been at the storage base in Baranovichi. Yours faithfully! hi
  19. AlNick
    AlNick 23 July 2013 09: 41 New
    +1
    Quote: sergey32
    Last year, there was a message at the VO that Belarusian dryers would be decommissioned and sold to bourgeois countries for the training of their pilots. Does anyone have information about the fate of these cars?


    Aircraft do not fly since December 1, 2012. At a press conference on February 19, 2013, the Minister of Defense of Belarus, Lieutenant General Yuri Zhadobin, said that the issue of removing the Su-27 from service was under consideration and a final decision had not yet been made. But, judging by his words, this type of fighter of the Belarusian army will have to be abandoned.
    While in storage.
  20. Vlad_Mir
    Vlad_Mir 23 July 2013 09: 48 New
    0
    Poland loves to run into trouble! The new "Susanin" does not hurt!
  21. AlNick
    AlNick 23 July 2013 09: 51 New
    +6
    2007 photo of the year
    1. LaGlobal
      LaGlobal 23 July 2013 15: 07 New
      0
      Recently I traveled to Ukraine through Belarus. We drove near one of the "secret forests" of Belarus, where the airfield was located. And accordingly, these wonderful eagles were present at it!
  22. Siberian
    Siberian 23 July 2013 10: 31 New
    +1
    Quote: NUT
    Quote: INTER
    In order to collect the whole picture is missing 1 piece
    And with that “piece”, you look, and the rest “pieces” will catch up

    In fact, you look, and the remaining pieces will catch up. It would be just great !!
  23. papss
    papss 23 July 2013 10: 34 New
    0
    Quote: Vlad_Mir
    Poland loves to run into trouble! The new "Susanin" does not hurt!

    Only Susanin drove them across the Kostroma land, then the new Catherine II will not hurt, she reassured them ...
  24. ratuld
    ratuld 23 July 2013 10: 35 New
    +3
    I think that Putin needs to gently remind the world community that Russians are not vindictive. Just angry with a good memory. So Alaska is Russian America. Hawaii is a Russian garden. Fort Ross and the land around it is Russian California. These lands have been and will be RUSSIAN.
    This is not discussed. Therefore, consultations with interested parties are already needed to develop possible scenarios for resolving problems with these territories.
    This is not an opinion - this is a DECISION.
  25. kush62
    kush62 23 July 2013 10: 56 New
    +1
    Quote: INTER
    In order to collect the whole picture, there is not enough 1 piece And with that "piece", you look, and the rest of the "pieces" will tighten

    The most important thing is not to arrange a showdown later, whose pieces are more important. And then you get a good hard stone in a famous garden.
    1. abrakadabre
      abrakadabre 23 July 2013 11: 03 New
      +5
      And for this, after the unification, it is necessary to carry out an administrative-territorial reform with the abolition of all national "specific principalities". Call it whatever you like: provinces, provinces ... If only all this were nationally and religiously indifferent.
      Otherwise, all this crap will ever shoot again. Not in 10-15, so in 100-200 years. \
      It is also advisable to legislatively resolve the diaspora issue. Like in Singapore. So that no one tries to climb into our monastery with someone else's charter.
  26. Sergey Medvedev
    Sergey Medvedev 23 July 2013 11: 25 New
    +3
    The Poles, of course, do not understand anything, because they themselves no longer think. Another "elder brother" is thinking for them, without which Poland can no longer live. soldier
  27. volcano
    volcano 23 July 2013 11: 29 New
    +6
    Actually, it’s high time to deploy a full-fledged mixed base contingent. And Aviation and Air Defense and parts of the Ground Forces (so 5-10 thousand) with tanks, MLRS and other goodies. In the end, the union state is mine. And so we push the group closer to the borders of the INCREDIBLE OPPONENT.

    In order to remember the Poles and their Papiki, you can get it together.
  28. Liasenski
    Liasenski 23 July 2013 11: 31 New
    12
    Welcome to Belarus, we have abandoned airfields in bulk, wealthy Jews from Israel are already building chicken coops on some of them, so we are not too late to ask for favors.
  29. Grigorich 1962
    Grigorich 1962 23 July 2013 11: 35 New
    +7
    I repeat ... Poles are political prostitutes ..... first they do then they think ......
    1. Sirocco
      Sirocco 23 July 2013 12: 20 New
      +7
      Quote: Grigorich 1962
      ..Poles are political prostitutes

      Approved))) The most interesting thing is that Poland shouted about the Soviet occupation, they say they gained independence from the USSR - Russia, now let's look on the other hand, what did they gain? They’re afraid to go completely dependent on the EU and the USA, even on a small one without a command from above, That is, they sold themselves more expensive, so why shout about Independence? Independent Poland - now nothing depends on it, so the dog on a short leash. I have the same attitude to some "little brothers" from the former social camp (Czechs, Bulgarians, etc.) How easy they jumped to another camp, it simply surprises them to speed. But, as history shows, such Tumblersfinish poorly, it is possible that they crawl on their knees. And what for us "relatives", this is better than an "orphan". Well, about the Old Man, what can I say? well done, man one word. Worth respect. No matter how hard it was for the brothers Belarusians, he would not bend, Return Ukraine to our union, and it would turn out like in the fairy tale Three Heroes. laughing good
  30. Suhov
    Suhov 23 July 2013 12: 03 New
    +1
    all the nuances of the functioning of the EPC air defense ... were worked out ... during the joint maneuvers "West-2009" and "Union Shield 2011"

    The Union ... how much is that soundѣ
    For the heart of Russian merged!
  31. VohaAhov
    VohaAhov 23 July 2013 12: 34 New
    +1
    Quote: tomas.09
    Klystir with sawdust and glass they need to register !!!!

    Enema with garlic and horseradish !!!
  32. fedorovith
    fedorovith 23 July 2013 13: 50 New
    0
    They "say" we need to know what they think about us. The former are pinching us ....
  33. ksan
    ksan 23 July 2013 14: 25 New
    0
    The western part of Russia is not included because Initially, the people did not recognize the Romanovs, and they waged a civil war for a long time (Pugachev uprising), and won only thanks to the talent of Suvorov (who was forced to oppose Pugachev), and a huge number of mercenaries from Europe Where did this nonsense come from? Hope also from 18th century British atlas?
  34. ratuld
    ratuld 23 July 2013 14: 33 New
    +1
    Poland's problem is religion and craces. Who understands - he understands.
    As for Russia, for the Pole there is no concept of "Russian." The average Pole does not even imagine what can be called a huge mass of Finno-Finns Rusyns.
    In my opinion, you just need to define terms and solve the problem of uniting the brotherly people of Poland with their brothers in Russia.
    According to my estimates, 2/3 of the population of Russia and Poland are identical. These are haplogroups R1A1 and R1B1 and R1B2.
    From 20 to 30 million ethnic Poles live in Russia - Lithuanians and Ukrainians. This is one people.
  35. smiths xnumx
    smiths xnumx 23 July 2013 14: 47 New
    +2
    Correctly the Poles are worried, especially considering their “successful” purchase of a used American F-16. I apologize in advance for the large copy-paste:
    “In 2003, Poland acquired 48 fighter jets. Their value is $ 3,6 billion. The total transaction amount, including pilot training and investment in developing the necessary infrastructure, is about $ 6 billion.
    One of the conditions for the acquisition of American fighters was the consent of the United States to invest in the Polish economy an amount equal to the cost of aircraft.
    But despite the statements of representatives of the Polish government that the country receives the latest aircraft, problems with them immediately began. The first two fighters could not, as planned, fly nonstop from the United States to Poland. Due to engine problems, they had to land in Iceland.
    Faults were later. Fighters were forced to emergency land several times at a military airfield in the vicinity of Warsaw. According to the representative of the Polish Air Force Weslaw Grzegorzewski, in 2007 alone, 1700 accidents happened to American fighters. A spokesman for the Air Force says they were not serious. However, according to the publication Polska, many serious damage is recorded. They mainly relate to engines, navigation equipment, combat systems and rescue systems. At the same time, in Poland these problems are explained by the novelty of the aircraft provided by the USA.
    According to Peter Laskowski, an expert at Military Poland, it’s not surprising that vehicles of this kind often break down. This, in his opinion, is characteristic of all modern equipment that is dependent on electronics.
    Due to the increased accident rate of the F-16, the Polish Air Force leadership restricts their flights or allows them to be carried out if the problems are not very serious. Under these conditions, Polish pilots have to fly even without weapons on board, which causes criticism from the pilots themselves.
    The main reason for the restrictions on F-16 flights is the high cost of their repair. To date, the Polish Ministry of Defense has already spent, according to Polish media, about 120-170 million dollars for spare parts for fighters.
    The Polish military, apparently, did not expect that the operation of American aircraft would be so costly. Although independent experts on the eve of concluding an agreement with the United States warned about the capriciousness of American cars.
    As for the promised investments, as representatives of the United States say, about $ XNUMX billion has already arrived in the framework of the agreements on the supply of fighter jets to the Polish economy.
    According to Obywatel observers, most of this money went to purchase a number of aviation enterprises in Poland that were put up for privatization by the state.
    1. smiths xnumx
      smiths xnumx 23 July 2013 14: 50 New
      +3
      I will continue
      After buying them by American companies, according to the publication, they gradually lose their ability to independently produce aircraft. The manufacturing process is often limited to screwdriver assembly.
      Also, the difficulty lies in the fact that new planes from the United States arrive in Poland faster than pilots trained in Poland who can lift them into the air. According to the Ministry of National Defense, the Polish Air Force will need at least 48 pilots and 16 technicians to pilot and service 72 F-1348 planes. To date, the Polish Air Force has managed to train only 20 pilots. Another 29 Polish pilots are trained in the United States, but only 12 of them are learning to fly the F-16. The rest are preparing for this while attending English courses.
      According to initial plans, in 2011, all 72 F-16 pilots should serve in the Polish Air Force. However, it is now becoming clear that this group of pilots will be fully equipped only at the end of 2012, and thus, for almost a year, part of the military vehicles purchased in the United States will simply stand on the ground, since there will be no one to lift them into the air. "

      http://www.military-informant.com/index.php/airforce/159-f-16poland.html#.UeGL19
      LTolk. That is, they bought emergency planes, but the pilots bye. So Polska was still not angry, but she had already given a sweetheart. Once again, I apologize to the site administration and its users for such an extensive copy-paste, but I just wanted you to feel the enchantment of the situation yourself. Yours faithfully!!! hi
      1. Corneli
        Corneli 23 July 2013 21: 16 New
        0
        Quote: smiths xnumx
        I will continue

        Yeah! Those. enti 48 second-hand F-16s, with a shortage of pilots and an "unprecedented buildup of their own military power") cause concern for Russia + Belarus?
        P.S. No offense, but involuntarily, with such data you begin to understand the concern of Israel (Syria will put 8 S-300 !!!! ALL PPC !!! We W..A !!!)
  36. egor 1712
    egor 1712 23 July 2013 16: 08 New
    +4
    I will say this, the SU-35 and SU-34 squadron at the air base and not a single KR will fly up to the borders of Belarus. And the Poles will be afraid to take their F-16s into the air, and they will be standing on the ground with iron.
  37. Odysseus
    Odysseus 23 July 2013 17: 47 New
    +1
    A rather strange article: Where can the Su-27SM3 regiment come from when there are only 12 of them in the Russian Air Force? and more is not planned yet?
    Why should the presence of the Su-27SM3 cause concern in Poland?
    And most importantly, why on earth should we justify ourselves and explain the deliveries to Belarus of weapons, especially air defense systems.
  38. lucidlook
    lucidlook 23 July 2013 18: 47 New
    +1
    How many fighters do you see in the illustration for the article?
  39. biglow
    biglow 23 July 2013 18: 55 New
    +1
    now it remains to wish the pilots more exercises, large and small
  40. poquello
    poquello 23 July 2013 20: 59 New
    +2
    Well, while the Poles’s dream is not very nightmare, however, I think there will be a tendency towards the progression of a nightmare.
  41. Corneli
    Corneli 23 July 2013 21: 10 New
    0
    “Really no one predicted that Poland’s participation in the creation of Euro-missile defense, the deployment of American F-16 aircraft on its territory, the unprecedented buildup of its own military power will trigger retaliatory steps from the Union State of Belarus and Russia.”
    Hmm, well, ABM - it’s understandable, F-16 (as many as 36 pieces !!! well, isn’t it funny ?!)) - we also drove through. What does "unprecedented buildup of one's own military power" mean? What did Poland grow there? After the dissolution of the Warsaw Pact? And I don’t know how that (
    P.S. Well, mb if compared with the total reduction of the troops of Ukraine, the couple even grew up kanechno ... but I would like not to paper-fraud, but specific numbers
    P.P.S. It's not that pritenziya ... I just don’t understand the reasons for the adequate anxiety about the “buildup”, otherwise they are mb like the NATO Baltic states ... they have built up “powerful hussar regiments” and a couple of tanks for 3 country...
    1. Selevc
      Selevc 23 July 2013 23: 51 New
      0
      Quote: Corneli
      What does "unprecedented buildup of one's own military power" mean? What did Poland grow there? After the dissolution of the Warsaw Pact?

      By the way, Poland has a very solid experience in creating military equipment - they make very decent vehicles ranging from armored vehicles to heavy tractors ... They have their own multiple launch rocket systems and their Tvarda tank is also a very decent modernization of the T-72, as well there is a good modernization of the BMP-1 ...

      Good success for a second-rate European country ...
  42. Sergey S.
    Sergey S. 23 July 2013 23: 12 New
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    The essence is not a nightmare of the Poles, but good relations with Belarusians.
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  47. za VDV
    za VDV 24 July 2013 00: 32 New
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    Quote: Corneli
    “Really no one predicted that Poland’s participation in the creation of Euro-missile defense, the deployment of American F-16 aircraft on its territory, the unprecedented buildup of its own military power will trigger retaliatory steps from the Union State of Belarus and Russia.”
    Hmm, well, ABM - it’s understandable, F-16 (as many as 36 pieces !!! well, isn’t it funny ?!)) - we also drove through. What does "unprecedented buildup of one's own military power" mean? What did Poland grow there? After the dissolution of the Warsaw Pact? And I don’t know how that (
    P.S. Well, mb if compared with the total reduction of the troops of Ukraine, the couple even grew up kanechno ... but I would like not to paper-fraud, but specific numbers
    P.P.S. It's not that pritenziya ... I just don’t understand the reasons for the adequate anxiety about the “buildup”, otherwise they are mb like the NATO Baltic states ... they have built up “powerful hussar regiments” and a couple of tanks for 3 country...





    The US Air Force is a formidable force, the number of combat aircraft, they occupy the first place in the world. As part of the regular units of the US Air Force (in 2011 year) has 144 strategic bombers (66 B-1, 20 B-2 and 58 B-52), 297 attack aircraft A-10, 1629 fighters (471 - F-15, 968 - F -16, 179 - F-22, 11 F-35). It is worth noting that the United States is the only country in the world armed with the 5 generation fighter, the F-22 Raptor. In addition, the Navy (2008 year) had 867 fighter-attack aircraft F / A-18. Total combat aircraft without existing in the reserve - 2937 units.

    It is worth noting that the composition of the Russian Air Force is of a secret nature, which means that the information given may contain inaccuracies. The Russian Air Force has 80 strategic bombers (16 - Tu-160, 64 - Tu-95MS), 150 long-range Tu-22M3 bombers, 241 Su-25 attack aircraft, 164 Su-24M and M2 front-line bombers, 26 Su-34 front-line bombers 953. As part of fighter aircraft, there are 282 aircraft (29 - MiG-252, 31 - MiG-400, 27 - Su-9, 30 - Su-10 and 35 - Su-1614S). The total composition of combat aircraft is 2 aircraft (approximately). Thus, in combat aircraft the enemy has approximately XNUMX-fold superiority
    1. za VDV
      za VDV 24 July 2013 00: 33 New
      +3
      In addition, Russian aviation has a trump card up its sleeve. The air-to-air guided missiles of the Russian Air Force have the longest flying range among these types of weapons. The P-37 rocket, which can be used by MiG-31BM fighter-interceptors and Su-27 fighters, Su-35 is capable of hitting targets at a distance of 300 km! In addition, work is underway in Russia on the KS-172 rocket, which has an even greater range of destruction - up to 400 km. And the new missile RVV-BD, at the same time, the medium-range missile RVV-SD has a range of approximately 110 km. The most advanced American all-weather guided missiles AIM-120C7 and AIM-120D are able to hit targets at a distance of 120 and 180 km. respectively.
      Su-35, Su-27 and MiG-31BM, equipped with modern radar and missiles R-37 with a greater launch range than any American rocket, allow these machines to significantly reduce their lag even before the most modern American fighter 5-th generation F-22 Raptor, with low visibility. With the F-15, F-16 and F / A-18 fighters they can deal without any problems.
  48. Taurus
    Taurus 24 July 2013 07: 45 New
    +1
    Who is Komarovsky? You just need to go in and hit him in the liver. And he will immediately forget what he was cracking. So the Russian Special is called.
  49. STALGRAD76
    STALGRAD76 24 July 2013 13: 27 New
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    Quote: DEfindER
    Quote: NUT
    And with that “piece”, you look, and the rest “pieces” will catch up

    Then it’s possible, the Russian Empire of 1754, a map from the British archive of the 18 century:

    The western part of Russia is not included because Initially, the people did not recognize the Romanovs, and they waged a civil war for a long time (Pugachev uprising), and won only thanks to the talent of Suvorov (who was forced to oppose Pugachev), and a huge number of mercenaries from Europe

    Yeah, nonsense of a cosmic scale what can I say .....
  50. STALGRAD76
    STALGRAD76 24 July 2013 13: 36 New
    +1
    I am for such a RUSSIA
    1. abrakadabre
      abrakadabre 24 July 2013 15: 13 New
      +3
      What the hell! Know how to persuade! I agree!
      wassat
      Adjusted for full Sakhalin and the Kuril Islands