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Russian victories in the Caucasus: the Shamkhor battle and the battle of Elisavetpol in 1826

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Shamkhor battle 3 September 1826 of the year


Heroic defense of the Shushi fortress (The beginning of the Russian-Persian war 1826 — 1828 Heroic defense of Shushi) at the initial stage of the Russian-Persian war (1826 — 1828) allowed the Russian command to concentrate forces and go on the offensive. On August 22, a detachment under the command of Valerian Grigorievich Madatov (1782 — 1829) moved on to Elisavetpol to stop the advance of the Persian troops to Tiflis and lift the siege from Shushi.

It must be said that Valerian (Rustam, Rostom) Madatov (Madatyan) had a very interesting biography. According to one version, Valerian was born in Karabakh and came from an Armenian noble family. According to another, Madatov’s father was a servant of one of the meliks (princes). As a boy, Valerian escaped to Astrakhan, came to the regimental Markantan, learned Russian. In 1799, a delegation of Armenian melik-princes headed by Jimshit Shah-Nazarov drove through Astrakhan. Growing into a diplomatic mission. He was taken as a translator. In Petersburg, Valerian was enrolled in a military school. Madatov was given a certificate of his noble origin, which allowed the young man to become a guard. He began his service as a lieutenant in the Life Guards Regiment of the Transfiguration. Madatov was a member of the Russian-Turkish war of 1806-1812, the Patriotic War of 1812, and the foreign campaigns of the Russian army. In 1816, he rose to the commander of the troops in the Karabakh Khanate, and the district chief, he helped the Caucasian governor Yermolov in the fight against the highlanders. Madatov enjoyed great love of the soldiers.

Russian victories in the Caucasus: the Shamkhor battle and the battle of Elisavetpol in 1826

Valerian (Rostom) Grigorievich Madatov.

Madatov's squad broke 3-thousand. Persian detachment under the command of Zurab Khan, which was located on one of the tributaries of the River Taus. The Persians retreated to Elisavetpol. Learning of this, Yermolov reinforced Madatov’s detachment with a battalion of the Kherson Grenadier Regiment and ordered them to go to Elisavetpol. 25 August Madatov moved to Elizavetpol. Under his command there were five companies of the Georgian regiment, a battalion of the Kherson Grenadier Regiment, three companies of huntsmen of the 41 regiment, Cossacks and Caucasian militia (Georgians and "Tatars" - so called local Muslims). Total 4,3 thousand soldiers and about 2 thousand irregular police, with 12 guns. Son of Abbas-Mirza, Mohammed-Mirza from 10-thousand the corps (4 guns and 20 falconets) approached Elizavetpol earlier and went out to meet the Russian troops in the village of Shamkhor. On September 1, the Erivan sardar joined the son of the Persian commander in chief with the 4-thousand. squad and 6 guns.

On September 3, the Cossacks and the Caucasian militia overturned the vanguard of the Persian troops and forced the enemy to retreat to Shamkhor. The Persian army lined up in battle order, which resembled the shape of a crescent, arched toward the enemy. In the center were regular infantry and artillery, on the flanks of the irregular cavalry. The Persians occupied the line with a length of more than two versts, having the opportunity to fire the only road along which Russian troops advanced.


“Battle of Shamkir”. Lithograph by M. Meshchersky, XIX century.

Prince Madatov, despite the superiority of the enemy in numbers, hit the Persians on the move. The cavalry, with the support of artillery, started a battle on the right flank, and the infantry forced the river Shamkhor, hit the bayonets and broke through the center of the Persian position. The Persian army came into complete confusion from such an onslaught and rushed to their heels. The Russian and Caucasian cavalry, covering the road with hundreds of enemy corpses, drove the Persians almost to Elisavetpol. In this fleeting battle, Russian troops lost just 27 people, and the enemy lost more than 2 thousands. Under the blows of the Russian cavalry, almost the entire Shah Guard fell. The space from Shamkhor to Elizavetpol, over the course of 30 more than a mile and a half, was covered with corpses. No prisoners were actually taken (75 people).

The Persian garrison who occupied Elisavetpol fled. The next day, the city’s population happily greeted the winners. Elizavetpol suffered greatly. The Persians, leaving the city, looted the property of local residents, took away and many women. Armenians were the least affected. They kept their quarter, which had fortifications, the Persians were not allowed there. Armenians, submitting to the Persian power, retained some autonomy. The Persian command, in the conditions of instability of the situation, decided not to go into conflict with the Armenian community, storming their quarter.

The Persian commander-in-chief, Prince Abbas-Mirza, upon learning of the defeat at Shamkhor, was forced to lift the siege from Shushi and move troops to Elisavetpol. Abbas-Mirza was determined to smash Madatov’s detachment. Under the command of the Persian commander in chief, there were more than 35 thousand people with 25 guns. 10 (22) September 1826, Yelizavetpol arrived with reinforcements, General Ivan F. Paskevich, and took command of the Russian troops. The total number of Russian troops in Elisavetpole increased to 8 thousand people with 22 guns.

Battle of Elisavet Field 13 September (25 September) 1826

Emperor Nikolai Pavlovich received news of the invasion of the Persian army in Moscow. He decided to appoint the commander of the acting troops under the main command of Yermolov - Paskevich. Some researchers associate Paskevich’s shipment to Transcaucasia with the emperor’s distrust of Yermolov. Perhaps this was due to the uprising of the "Decembrists." There was a delay in the oath of the Caucasian troops to the new emperor, which alerted the imperial entourage. At the same time, given the enormous prestige of Yermolov in the Caucasus and in the army, he could not simply be removed from office. Therefore, Yermolov retained the post of commander-in-chief, but the emperor gave Yermolov the right not to participate personally in major military operations and to transfer, in the event of illness, the supreme power to Paskevich.

29 August Paskevich arrived in Tiflis and took command of the troops located in the district. From the commander-in-chief Yermolov, he received an order to unite with the forces of Prince Madatov, who was subordinate to Paskevich. Ivan Fyodorovich received the task of lifting the blockade from Shushi. September 10 Paskevich at the head of the avant-garde - Nizhny Novgorod Dragoon Regiment, arrived at the camp of the Russian troops. It took three days to gather food, organize forces, conduct exercises. The troops were brought together in 13 half battalions, for ease of operation.

September 13 in the morning the troops were to speak to Shusha. But at night two Armenians came to the camp. One of them served as a translator for Abbas-Mirza. He said that the Persians had gathered all the forces into a single fist and were approaching Elizavetpol. Paskevich immediately advanced troops towards the enemy. Russian and Persian troops converged 7 versts from Elisavetpol. Russian troops lined up in battle order: in three lines with a reserve. In the first line, the 4 semi-battalion of rangers and riflemen of the Shirvan regiment with 12 guns were located in the shock columns. In the second line - 4 half battalion of carabinieri and grenadiers of the Georgian regiment. Commanding both lines, Major General Prince Valerian Madatov. Nizhny Novgorod Dragoon Regiment located in the third line. The reserve was 3 half battalion of the Kherson Grenadier Regiment and 6 guns. On the flanks of the first line there were two Cossack regiments and Caucasian militia, on the flanks of the second line there were the 2 half battalion and the 4 guns.

The Persian army numbered up to 15 thousand regular infantry and 20 thousand cavalry. The guns were 25 and a significant number of falcontes. Most of the infantry was located in the center in three lines. On the flanks there was cavalry and 6 battalions of Sarbaz (regular infantry). Persian artillery was located throughout the battle line, but most of the guns were placed in the center of the position - 18 guns. Behind the infantry of the center and the cavalry of the right flank they placed falconets on camels. The Persian battle line was so stretched and arched that the tips of its wings were almost in the rear of the Russian troops. Abbas-Mirza commanded the whole army and center, his eldest son Mohammed the right flank, the son-in-law of Prince Allayar Khan the left flank.

At the beginning of the battle, an artillery fire began. Under the cover of artillery, the Persian infantry battalions in the center and on the left flank advanced and, coming close to the Russian troops, opened rifle fire. The Persian commander-in-chief was hoping to use the numerical advantage of his troops. On the left flank, the Cossacks and Muslim militias did not hold out under the pressure of the masses of the enemy and began to roll back. Further advance of the enemy troops was slowed down by a small, but steep ravine. Then the Persians came under fire from the reserve grenadiers and hit the dragoon division. Paskevich personally tidied up the irregular cavalry. Ivan Fyodorovich gave the order to the battalions of the Shirvan, Georgian and 41 regiment of chasseurs to launch a counterattack. Their impact was reinforced by the Nizhny Novgorod dragoons. Persian infantry could not stand it, and pursued by Russian soldiers, ran. Shah artillery also fell silent and began to retreat. The center of the enemy line was broken.

On the right flank, the situation was also difficult. Persian cavalry tried to go to the rear of the Russian troops. The Persians oppressed the Cossacks and the Caucasian volunteer militia towards Elizavetpol. The enemy pressed two companies of the Kherson Grenadier Regiment and the 1 Division of the Nizhny Novgorod Dragoons. Those barely held the position. Ivan Fyodorovich supported the right flank of the 3 with carabinieri half battalions. Carabinieri began to go to the rear of the enemy and the Persians had no choice but to begin to withdraw to the mountains. Noticing the emerging success, Paskevich reinforced the onslaught with the help of the Kherson grenadier 2 half battalions.

Part of the Persian infantry entrenched on the heights. However, after a short resistance, the Persians surrendered (more than 800 people). The Persian army suffered a complete defeat. The troops under the command of Prince Madatov pursued the enemy for 12 miles. The Persian army was completely broken and scattered, the works of British instructors were in vain. The Russian army showed complete superiority over the enemy. Two troop camps were captured as trophies, 4 flags, one gun (the guns were taken out of the battlefield first, the Persian artillerymen ran among the first), 80 of charging and ammunition boxes. About 1100 people were taken prisoner. The Persian army lost in the battle about 2 thousand people killed and wounded. The losses of the Russian troops were 46 killed and 249 wounded.

Paskevich was marked with a gold sword adorned with diamonds, with the inscription: "For the defeat of the Persians at Elisavetpole." Prince Madatov received the rank of lieutenant general. The orders of St. George were awarded to Major General Vilyaminov (3 degree), Colonel Shabelsky, Major Kluka-von Klugenau, Count Simonich, Major Yudin and Khorunzhy Eremkin (all 4 degree).



Aftermath

The Persian commander-in-chief, with personal guards and artillery, fled across the Araks River. Most of the infantry and cavalry were scattered over mountain areas. In fact, the Persian army ceased to exist for some time. However, the Russian troops could not take advantage of this, although Paskevich suggested making a march on Tabriz, the second largest breed of the Persian state. The main reason for refusing to attack the enemy’s territory was the lack of provisions. Russian troops, going on the offensive for the Araks, left in the rear of the war-devastated land. Ermolov and Paskevich could not reach an agreement.

Abbas-Mirza gradually gathered troops and again began to threaten the borders of Russia. Small horse parties made raids on Russian lands. Paskevich responded with small military demonstrations, forcing the enemy to withdraw cavalry units. Soon the troops settled down to the winter quarters, the war had subsided until spring.

The battle of Shamkhor and the battle of Elisavetpol became a turning point in the Russian-Persian war. A separate Caucasian corps withstood the blow of the Persian army, which had a great superiority in numbers and, launching a counterattack, inflicted a terrible defeat on the enemy. The Persian army, prepared according to European standards and having strong artillery, was completely defeated. Russia, thanks to the courage and fearlessness of the fighters and commanders of the Separate Caucasian Corps, has become famous for another victory. Russian commanders showed an excellent example of victory by small forces over a numerically superior enemy.
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  1. vitek1233
    vitek1233 22 July 2013 08: 37
    +1
    We have a nice story !!!
  2. Gari
    Gari 22 July 2013 09: 47
    +6
    Valerian Grigorievich Madatov (Roston Grigorievich, Rostom Grigorievich Madatyan 1782-1829) - Prince, Lieutenant General of Armenian origin of the Russian army.
    Valerian (Rustam) Madatov-Karabakh was born in the Armenian village of Avetaranots (Chanakhchi), near Shushi in Karabakh. Pre-revolutionary authors believed that Valerian came from an Armenian noble family that had a princely title
    Valerian, meanwhile, began military service from the youngest rank - a lieutenant in the Life Guards Preobrazhensky Regiment. In St. Petersburg, Valerian was patronized by prominent figures of the Armenian colony - Archbishop Joseph and John Lazarevich Lazarev (1735-1801). Valerian settled in the house of Lazarev.
    The Russo-Turkish War of 1806-1812 [edit]
    Order of St. Anne of the III degree, for courage in the battles of Brailov.
    Order of St. Vladimir IV degree for the battle during the capture of Kyustenji.
    Golden sword with the inscription "For courage", for the battle of Rasevat.
    Order of St. Anne, II degree, for the battle between the villages of Kalipetro and Kanakly
    Order of St. George IV degree, for the battle in the village of Chaushkoy (captured the gun).
    The Patriotic War 1812 years
    Order of St. Anne, II degree with diamonds, for the battle of Kobrin.
    Golden saber with diamonds and the inscription "For courage", for the battle at Pleshchenitsy (captured two generals).
    Order of St. George III degree, for the battle of Kalisz (captured the Saxon General Nostitz).
    Order of St. Vladimir, for the battle of Lucerne.
    The Caucasian War
    Order of St. Anne of the I degree, for conquering in the Tabasaran region and Karandayk.
    Order of St. Anne of I degree with diamonds, for the victory over the Akushinians.
    Order of St. Vladimir, for the conquest of the Kazykumyk Khanate.
    Russian-Persian War 1826 — 1828
    The second golden saber with diamonds and the inscription "For courage", for the victory near Shamkhor over the vanguard of the troops of Abbas-Mirza.
    Russian-Turkish war of 1828 — 1829's
    Order of St. Alexander Nevsky, for the capture of redoubts from the fortress of Shumly.
  3. RoTTor
    RoTTor 22 July 2013 10: 34
    0
    Good article.
    But in order to save the country, the themes of the wars in the Caucasus would be worth not pedaling.
  4. Dmitry 2246
    Dmitry 2246 22 July 2013 10: 42
    +3
    Glorious time of courageous warriors.
  5. arminidi
    arminidi 22 July 2013 11: 25
    +2
    Thank you Samsonov for the article. Your articles are interesting and unbiased.

    History is history.
  6. Yeraz
    Yeraz 22 July 2013 11: 27
    -3
    Ha again the Armenians came and laid the Muslims)))
  7. arminidi
    arminidi 22 July 2013 11: 47
    +2
    Quote: Yeraz
    Ha again the Armenians came and laid the Muslims)))


    "Tatars" - the so-called local Muslims- someone did not like their historical, that is, the true name ?? ... laughing
    1. Yeraz
      Yeraz 22 July 2013 12: 02
      0
      Quote: arminidi
      "Tatars" - the so-called local Muslims - someone did not like their historical, that is, the true name ?? ...

      haha !! The fact that all people from the Soviet Union were called Russians did not mean that Chechens, Azerbaijanis and others were Russians. The same thing. Azerbaijanis never called themselves Tatars, yes, Turks and Muslims.
      So, you’re not going to the right place. What to expect from a representative of a nation is history, which is shone with such moments as betrayal.
      Or forgot the representative of which nation opened the door to the crusaders in Antioch ??
      1. combatpilot
        combatpilot 22 July 2013 23: 24
        +5
        shines with something?

        We all remember the heroic Azerbaijani defenders of Constantinople, the great Azerbaijani regiment fighting to death near Thermopylae.
        1. smersh70
          smersh70 22 July 2013 23: 48
          -1
          Quote: combatpilot
          We all remember the heroic Azerbaijani defenders of Constantinople,


          and Istanbul - you did not see and did not take, like your ravines ..... drinks
          1. combatpilot
            combatpilot 25 July 2013 00: 10
            +3
            There is no such thing, specify the citizen!

            Istanbul - no, not heard! Constantinople - I remember.
            And whether you are from the stinking shores of Baku, says the grandeur of St. Sophia.
  8. valokordin
    valokordin 22 July 2013 12: 24
    +2
    Glory to the heroes of Russia. What can not be said about the current democrats.
  9. arminidi
    arminidi 22 July 2013 12: 37
    -2
    Quote: Yeraz
    What to expect from a representative of a nation is a story that shines with such moments as betrayal.

    Traitors were always, everywhere and at all - of course, who had история .
    I know that you didn’t have traitors - but then you didn’t have a story fellow
    Quote: Yeraz
    Or forgot the representative of which nation opened the door to the crusaders in Antioch ??

    Where were you at that time?
    In a local police militia with the crusaders, or with the Antioques? lol
    1. Yeraz
      Yeraz 22 July 2013 13: 20
      +1
      Quote: arminidi
      Traitors were always, everywhere and at all -

      But some leaders in this, especially with regard to neighbors.

      Quote: arminidi
      Where were you at that time?
      In a local police militia with the crusaders, or with the Antioques?

      We are on the Moon. And you didn’t know ??? We, at the direction of Stalin, instantly teleported and ended up in Azerbaijan. And before that we were not on the planet earth. All from the direction of Stalin. wink
  10. Ruslan_F38
    Ruslan_F38 22 July 2013 15: 22
    +2
    "The Persian army, trained according to European standards and having strong artillery, was completely defeated. Thanks to the courage and fearlessness of the soldiers and commanders of the Separate Caucasian Corps, Russia became famous for another victory. Russian commanders showed an excellent example of victory with small forces over a numerically superior enemy." - representatives of Western and pro-Western states, as well as sympathizers with them, we read carefully and remember!
  11. arminidi
    arminidi 22 July 2013 15: 41
    -3
    Quote: Yeraz
    We are on the moon.


    Hello to the sleepwalkers! hi

    For ingenuity - 5, for knowledge - 2. negative
    1. smersh70
      smersh70 22 July 2013 16: 30
      +3
      Quote: arminidi
      Hello to the sleepwalkers!



      you are also in our neighborhood. smile then hi sleepwalkers-2 hi laughing .
      1. Gari
        Gari 22 July 2013 16: 48
        +1
        Quote: smersh70
        you are also in our neighborhood. then hello to the sleepwalkers-2.

        The joke is interesting
        But here is a serious article and the answer is that the Armenians have always lived in their homeland of Karabakh, where the glorious Russian Prince Madat came from
        but the mention of Azerbaijanis is not mentioned
        1. Gari
          Gari 22 July 2013 16: 51
          0
          Armenians have always served Russia faithfully, because Russia has always been for them the Motherland of one Faith and also because always the interests of Russia were the interests of Armenia and vice versa.
          1. carbofo
            carbofo 22 July 2013 17: 01
            +1
            Let's say a little differently, about the homeland, only those who lived then can answer you.
            Objectively, our interests and the Armenians corresponded to each other.
            And actually, I would also be glad for a country that would meet my aspirations, and not the flock of meaningless believers around.
            1. Gari
              Gari 22 July 2013 17: 24
              +2
              Quote: carbofo
              Objectively, our interests and the Armenians corresponded to each other.

              Prince Madatov
              David Osipovich (Iosifovich) Bebutov (1793-1867) - Prince, Russian general, participant in the Caucasian campaigns and the Crimean war.
              Moses Zakharovich Argutinsky-Dolgorukov (1797, Tiflis - 1855, Tiflis) - prince, lieutenant general (1845), adjutant general (1848), hero of the Caucasian war
              Arzas (Arshak) Artemyevich Ter-Gukasov 1819-1881) - Russian general, hero of the Russian-Turkish war of 1877-1878.
              Mikhail Tarielovich [3] Loris-Malikov 1825-1888) - Russian military leader and statesman; general of the cavalry (April 17, 1875), adjutant general, count (April 16, 1878). Member of the Council of State (February 11, 1880). Honorary Member of the St. Petersburg Academy of Sciences (05.12.1880). He is the author of the draft of the first Russian Constitution.
              All of them Armenians faithfully served Russia!
              1. carbofo
                carbofo 22 July 2013 17: 59
                +2
                I think this is not a complete list, there were many more, since there were millions of Armenians in the Russian Empire.
              2. smersh70
                smersh70 22 July 2013 23: 06
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                Quote: Gari
                Prince Madatov
                David Osipovich (Iosifovich) Bebutov (1793-1867) - Prince, Russian general, participant in the Caucasian campaigns and the Crimean war.
                Moses Zakharovi


                It was 1987 od .... we have in BSU Arsen, as an ordinary Armenian began to tell. which of the great people was from Armenia or was an Armenian ... (well, this is in the blood of the Armenians) ..... so when he went over to the personality of Karl Marx, then the Abkhazian Valera could not stand it and said - well, it’s clear. they are great, because they left at least some trace in history ...... and THERE are what you did to immortalize your NAME in history, like an Armenian ..... smile laughter stood in the hall of the hostel for a long time fellow hi
                1. carbofo
                  carbofo 23 July 2013 11: 12
                  +3
                  Yes from .. leave each other alone if you wrote that such-or-such or such-and-such was involved, it is a fact, if not so refute.
                  If YOU no one fit into the Russian history, then nefiga yell.
        2. carbofo
          carbofo 22 July 2013 18: 08
          +1
          By the way, the Kazakhs also never had land, they gave it to them, well, from here to here, anyway, there is no one there anyway.
          And now they are making films as they have defeated all the great and fenced their land!? which one? from whom ?, themselves or neighboring tribes were constantly biting, then the Russians came and said you would live here and the Kazakhs would call you, and it started ...
          The same crap with Ukraine, the outskirts turned into Ukraine and then into the state, he never even had a name before the USSR, but now the thousand-year-old story has come from somewhere, the Americans are in a stupor from such arrogance, they’re not claiming more for 300 years, and here is 22 years old and already has ambitions like a great power.
          tfu.
          and unfortunately I will not say anything about Azerbaijanis, the empire was not even interested in the intricacies of the fate of this nationality.
          Maybe it's just a breakaway group of Armenians?
          1. Yeraz
            Yeraz 22 July 2013 21: 13
            +1
            Quote: carbofo
            Maybe it's just a breakaway group of Armenians?

            hahahah))) Nah))
            He is always Armenian, they have the surnames Allahverdyany, Muradyan, Rustamyan and many others with Turkic-Muslim names and surnames, but the Armenian will always remain Armenian, although de facto he will have 5% of Armenian blood.
            1. Gari
              Gari 23 July 2013 09: 06
              +1
              Quote: Yeraz
              but the Armenian will always remain Armenian, although de facto he will have 5% of Armenian blood.

              Well done - everything is exactly Armenian will always be Armenian
        3. smersh70
          smersh70 22 July 2013 23: 08
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          Quote: Gari
          Armenians have always lived in their homeland of Karabakh,


          Yes, Harry, they lived in their homeland, Karabakh (the name is the homeland of Azerbaijan, well, that’s the way) belonging to Azerbaijan hi fellow
          1. Gari
            Gari 23 July 2013 09: 01
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            Quote: smersh70
            Yes, Harry, they lived in their homeland, Karabakh (the name is the homeland of Azerbaijan, well, that’s the way) belonging to Azerbaijan

            This article is clearly written about the Armenians who lived there for centuries where they lived in Karabakh, where Madat comes from.
            Where is Azerbaijan mentioned in this article?
            Where are the Azerbaijanis mentioned?
            1. Gari
              Gari 23 July 2013 09: 09
              +2
              And cons cons in kindergarten
              1. carbofo
                carbofo 23 July 2013 11: 04
                +2
                It’s easier for me to be Russian, I don’t give a shit about them and their problems, the whole world interests me.
                And the small ones bite over the bones.
                You sit and watch how puppies are biting for a bone, it's cool, you only understand that they will grow big and will not only growl for an empty bone.
                1. Gari
                  Gari 23 July 2013 11: 14
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                  Quote: carbofo
                  It’s easier for me to be Russian, I don’t give a shit about them and their problems, the whole world interests me.

                  And I am an Armenian, and I don’t care about the fate of my homeland of Armenia, but I know my Armenia was inextricably linked and will be historically, religiously, economically, politically and politically and simply humanly with Russia.
                  In general, I am an ardent supporter of the USSR.
                  I hope for the revival of the Great Country
                  1. carbofo
                    carbofo 23 July 2013 15: 47
                    +1
                    It's time for the clever to understand that only the slogan "Only with Russia, only together" makes sense.
                    No country has ever helped anyone for beautiful eyes.
                    No country has granted countries independence.
                    No country has built schools, libraries, theaters.
                    I can argue for a long time on this topic, despite the private indifference, I still do not care what is happening.
                    I am proud of what we did, and I am proud that I was born in the USSR, no other country has given a person so much justified pride in the country.
                    1. Gari
                      Gari 23 July 2013 17: 06
                      +1
                      Quote: carbofo
                      I am proud of what we did, and I am proud that I was born in the USSR, no other country has given a person so much justified pride in the country.

                      And I am proud of the same and therefore it is a pity that now it is not there.
            2. kNow
              kNow 23 July 2013 16: 43
              +1
              Quote: Gari
              Quote: smersh70
              Yes, Harry, they lived in their homeland, Karabakh (the name is the homeland of Azerbaijan, well, that’s the way) belonging to Azerbaijan

              This article is clearly written about the Armenians who lived there for centuries where they lived in Karabakh, where Madat comes from.
              Where is Azerbaijan mentioned in this article?
              Where are the Azerbaijanis mentioned?

              illiterate you Gary
              1. Gari
                Gari 23 July 2013 17: 05
                +2
                Quote: kNow
                illiterate you Gary

                When there are no arguments, there are simply insults, do not you write me literate or not.
              2. Gari
                Gari 23 July 2013 17: 08
                0
                Quote: kNow
                illiterate you Gary

                And despite our position and position on this site, we kind of respected each other and did not cross the border
                1. kNow
                  kNow 23 July 2013 18: 18
                  0
                  when you write "Armenians", and then "Azerbaijan" - I see it as illiteracy and petty filth, which naturally does not add respect to you ...
                  1. Gari
                    Gari 23 July 2013 23: 51
                    +2
                    Quote: kNow
                    when you write "Armenians", and then "Azerbaijan" - I see it as illiteracy and petty filth, which naturally does not add respect to you ...

                    And who was the first to start?
                    and even for this comment minus, as in kindergarten
  12. carbofo
    carbofo 22 July 2013 16: 56
    +2
    And again someone was beaten brutally.
    I remember the emperor’s words when Shamil was brought to him in 1853, he then told the leader of the Caucasian uprising: You see your country on the map of the Russian Empire, how long you were going to fight with us!
    In March 1853, Shamil wrote to the Turkish Sultan Abdul-Mechid:

    “Gracious and Great Caliph, we, your subjects, have been fighting the enemies of our faith for many years, and our strength is no more. Moreover, we, your subjects, had to endure so much from year to year that there was nothing left to confront the enemy. We have lost everything, and we have never been so bad ”

    How can you betray your country like that! and this person they considered the defender of the homeland ?? you’ll grin, I don’t understand how frightened he is the hero of Dagestan, from my point of view he can be put on a par with Vlasov.

    Just like a non-citizen Alekseeva, so happy for his homeland hiding bucks in a stocking!
    By the way, comrade Alekseev, who ran the rainbow parades, for some reason, has the same surname, also demanded from the authorities for the bucks of the cheat there.
  13. Gomunkul
    Gomunkul 22 July 2013 17: 57
    +3
    The Persian army was completely defeated and scattered, the work of British instructors was in vain.

    Well, everywhere the ears of the arrogant Saxons stuck out.
    The Persian army lost in battle about 2 thousand people killed and wounded. Losses of Russian troops amounted to 46 killed and 249 wounded.

    Alexander Suvorov's precepts in action: "To fight not by numbers, but by skill!"
    Thanks to the author for the article.hi
  14. arminidi
    arminidi 23 July 2013 09: 52
    +1
    Quote: arminidi
    Where were you at that time?


    Quote: Gari
    This article is clearly written about the Armenians who lived there for centuries where they lived in Karabakh, where Madat comes from.
    Where is Azerbaijan mentioned in this article?
    Where are the Azerbaijanis mentioned?

    Gari that's where they were fellow laughing

    Quote: Yeraz
    We are on the moon. And you did not know ???
  15. solomon
    solomon 23 July 2013 15: 41
    +1
    The article is interesting.
    And sometimes such comments are bent, which have no direct relation to the text.
  16. kNow
    kNow 23 July 2013 16: 42
    -1
    Quote: Gari
    Quote: smersh70
    you are also in our neighborhood. then hello to the sleepwalkers-2.

    The joke is interesting
    But here is a serious article and the answer is that Armenians always lived in their homeland Karabakh, from where the glorious was born Russian Prince Madatov
    but the mention of Azerbaijanis is not mentioned

    According to one version, Madatov dragged the Karabakh khan with him to Petersburg during his visit to the tsar.
  17. arminidi
    arminidi 23 July 2013 18: 00
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    Quote: kNow
    According to one version, Madatov dragged the Karabakh khan with him to Petersburg during his visit to the tsar.
    - here is a manifestation of super literacy


    The sun is shining - it’s hot for people ... laughing laughing laughing
    1. kNow
      kNow 23 July 2013 18: 15
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      Quote: arminidi
      Quote: kNow
      According to one version, Madatov dragged the Karabakh khan with him to Petersburg during his visit to the tsar.
      - here is a manifestation of super literacy


      The sun is shining - it’s hot for people ... laughing laughing laughing

      One more letter ... Will your literacy allow you to pinpoint my mistake? wink
      1. Gari
        Gari 24 July 2013 09: 57
        +1
        Quote: kNow
        One more letter ... Will your literacy allow you to pinpoint my mistake?

        Just say so
        According to one version, Madatov dragged the Karabakh khan with him to Petersburg during his visit to the tsar.
        in your opinion is the height of competence?
        So the version, whose version? Sitting on the couch
        Yesterday there was a very heated discussion on the article by Kazimirov, it was there that one could see who was literate, who was informed and on whose side the truth was, I had not consciously participated in such discussions on the Karabakh issue before, but I was tired of your compatriots arranging srach, and yesterday I climbed in, and none of yours could answer me, not a single counter-argument, a convincing answer, only the minuses are sorry that they removed the topic.
        It’s better not to mess with me, do not humiliate my Motherland and my Nation, insult, call an aggressor, etc., there is something to say, there will be a war, war tell me. No, it’s better to live peacefully and we’ll be better at each other’s good and respectful attitude, as we have been so far
        1. smersh70
          smersh70 24 July 2013 10: 06
          +2
          Quote: Gari
          not a single counter-argument, a convincing answer; only the minuses are sorry that they removed the topic.



          about the arguments - reasoned arguments, resolutions, treaties were given, the legislative framework was drawn up .... everything was okay about that)) ... so no need to talk about ss ...)))
          but the fact that they removed it is a pity .. a lot of your strong lobby stuck with its propaganda in the 90s .... now when we post our position, dear visitors read all this and I see how many have changed their positions here ....
          our arguments were justified and ironic ..... probably because of this they removed the article .. the truth hurts my eyes))))))))
          1. Gari
            Gari 24 July 2013 11: 20
            +2
            Quote: smersh70
            , the legislative framework has been summarized .... everything was okay about that)) ... so don’t have to talk about ss ...)))

            I read everything carefully, and not only yours here, but just the ones that write on your websites, all the myth invented, you yourself know that we are Armenians one of the most ancient nations, and always living in our homeland on the Armenian Highlands, and you
            the anti-Armenian sentiment is constantly rising, the ruling Aliyev elite
            in order to distract the people, it’s going to it, like tomorrow’s war, the Armenians and so on are to blame. But soon your election may change a lot
            1. Gari
              Gari 24 July 2013 11: 22
              +1
              And who answered my arguments, quoted by the way from your sources, no one, only minuses, by the way, what is your name Dmanisets
              1. smersh70
                smersh70 24 July 2013 12: 34
                +3
                Quote: Gari
                By the way, what's your name Dmanisets



                ))))) I'm not from there) but I liked to relax there))) and their name is Vurgun .... hi
                1. Gari
                  Gari 24 July 2013 15: 29
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                  Quote: smersh70
                  ))))) I'm not from there) but I liked to relax there))) and their name is Vurgun ....

                  Very nice, but you wrote, I thought there grew up
                  and now there are relatives of Vurgun in Georgia?
                  1. Gari
                    Gari 24 July 2013 15: 33
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                    Dmanisi almost on our border with Tashira (Kalinino) we call in, there are good friends in Zmakats and Bolnisi there are Georgians guys
                    and Neftchi lost sympathy yesterday, today we’ll see how our Shirak (Gyumri) will play
  18. frunzik
    frunzik 24 July 2013 20: 16
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    salaam gagashi. I’m looking, you have arranged a dispute branch on this resource and this is why you decided to zeareg and dilute your husband and daughter. shorter than eagles, you will have to answer for and answer with links to independent sources. ;)