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At the Aviastar-SP plant, restoration of serial production of Ruslan superheavy aircraft began

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At the Aviastar-SP plant, restoration of serial production of Ruslan superheavy aircraft began

At the Ulyanovsk plant "Aviastar-SP" began the restoration of mass production of heavy cargo aircraft An-124 "Ruslan". ITAR-TASS correspondent was informed about this at the Third International Industrial Youth Forum "Engineers of the Future 2013" by the head of the plant's design bureau Anatoly Tolstopyatov.


“The frame of the aircraft, restored electronically, corresponds to the original one-to-one, which will allow for the prompt repair and modernization of the existing Ruslan fleet, and will also form the basis for the production of the updated aircraft modification,” he explained.

According to him, the innovative scheme will ensure the transfer of production to digital technologies and can be used at any enterprise of the United Aircraft Building Corporation.

The total economic effect of the decisions already implemented in the enterprise under this program amounted to 167 million rubles. “The work fully complies with the strategic directions of the Russian State Program of Arms, as well as the needs of commercial transport airlines,” the aircraft designer emphasized.
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  1. UPStoyan
    UPStoyan 21 July 2013 17: 06
    +4
    Here it is in our opinion. First, collapse everything, and then restore for millions.
    1. patline
      patline 21 July 2013 17: 19
      44
      It’s better to recover than in a minimized state.
      And for those who contributed to the curtailment - it still comes around if they don’t die before this.
      1. VAF
        VAF 21 July 2013 18: 03
        21
        Quote: patline
        It’s better to recover than in a minimized state.


        Nobody is going to restore anything!

        Read carefully : "The electronically restored airplane frame corresponds to the original one-to-one, which will make it possible to quickly repair and modernize the existing Ruslan fleet.

        Only a small upgrade (forget about version 124-300 as a "nightmare", because NEW GLASSES are needed for a new wing, this is first of all, not to mention personnel, now at Aviastar ... there is personnel shortage, there is no one to work) !!!
        Well, the current repair with an extension ... that's it!
        1. KononAV
          KononAV 21 July 2013 18: 11
          15
          You have not added the rest of the sentence. Where to talk about the construction of new aircraft.
          1. VAF
            VAF 21 July 2013 18: 21
            +2
            Quote: KononAV
            Where to talk about the construction of new aircraft.


            Alex, good afternoon! You, I looked, a new person (this is not a rebuke, but just a fact, because I always try to talk and explain kindly with new people).

            This is firstly news from "" (ie heard the ringing ... but where is this .. "ringing" in reality wassat )

            Secondly - .. "it is not harmful to say, .. it is harmful not to say (otherwise they will not give money wink ) "I will not quote" quotes "of" sayings " fellow -pearlov, about how much and by what year we will have "An-124-300" wassat ), you will find it yourself.

            Thirdly, "there is also a hole on the fence and it is written .... and there is a carnation" wink
            (not rudeness, but ... reminder in the form of ... jokes or something drinks).

            And in fact, now Aviastar is "imposed" on the production of the IL-476 according to GOZ ... and attention .... at a "fixed price and until 2017" wassat

            Further, I hope there is no need to explain anything? bully
            1. peha67
              peha67 22 July 2013 07: 30
              +2
              At the Ulyanovsk plant Aviastar-SP, the restoration of serial production of the An-124 Ruslan super-heavy cargo aircraft has begun.
              The restoration of serial production, it does not mean anything to you? If not, I feel sorry for you!
          2. Panikovsky
            Panikovsky 21 July 2013 19: 16
            +3
            there will be no new construction. we are talking about the resumption of production to modernize available.
            1. Constantine
              Constantine 21 July 2013 19: 20
              +6
              Volga-Dnepr are ready to buy new ones. the market is developing dynamically, as well as the demand for aircraft of this class. The Volga-Dnepr itself was one of the main initiators of the revival of the Ruslan construction.

              If you have confirmation of your words from official sources, then it would be interesting to see hi
              1. Panikovsky
                Panikovsky 21 July 2013 20: 30
                +3
                Volga-Dnieper for your information, the company is not rich. she wanted to build Ruslans, sticking to a Russian mine. defense, which said that he would not buy new ones. then v-d declared that she would build two aircraft in Germany. well, let him build, in the end, a private organization, he has the right to sculpt everything he wants at his own expense.
                1. VAF
                  VAF 21 July 2013 21: 36
                  +3
                  Quote: Panikovsky
                  Volga-Dnieper for your information, the company is not rich



                  Dear Panikovsky ..... killed completely laughing After these, your "conclusions" I consider our dialogue with you on this topic .. senseless and useless! request
                  1. klimpopov
                    klimpopov 22 July 2013 09: 24
                    +1
                    Hi Seryozha! I also somehow do not believe in full-fledged construction. At best, maintain an existing park.
                    According to him, the innovative scheme

                    After this phrase, a red face surfaced before my eyes ..
            2. ytqnhfk
              ytqnhfk 22 July 2013 07: 35
              0
              there will be construction of new ones but modifications are already written there, read carefully! well, and it is purely logically not profitable to just repair. on the basis of an existing and very successful machine they will develop a new one!
        2. AVV
          AVV 21 July 2013 20: 16
          +4
          Read carefully! In the title, the restoration of serial production has begun !!! And the previous article was that it was decided to start joint production of the aircraft of the Russian Federation and Ukraine !!!
          1. VAF
            VAF 21 July 2013 20: 24
            0
            Quote: AVV
            Read carefully! In the title, the restoration of serial production has begun !!!


            If you would still think about it (I don’t say what to know), but just ... think ... there would be no price.
            And so read about the fence on which ... it is written! wassat

            Quote: AVV
            that a decision has been made to begin joint production of the aircraft of the Russian Federation and Ukraine !!!


            "Blah blah blah" mezhdku Azarov and DAM'am belay so this is more than 10 years .. all "accept" and "economically" justify ...... "you are our believer! wassat
            1. alex86
              alex86 21 July 2013 20: 45
              +4
              Sorry, vaf, it’s not quite a topic (I used to say something before, I can’t see it now) - in Kazan, at the 22nd plant, they just didn’t promise to do it - I don’t know, there’s something real (I read recently that began to make wings out of composite - separate production)?
              1. VAF
                VAF 21 July 2013 21: 55
                +5
                Quote: alex86
                before the SSI said something, not now it is not visible)


                Busy working on Sunny Island fellow On it now everything "hangs" and Tu-204SK and Il-96 and An-158 ("lengthened" An-148). So he now .. not to the site .. he will "drop in" for a week and back!

                Quote: alex86
                here in Kazan, at the 22nd plant, what they didn’t promise to do - I don’t know, there is something real


                The most promising is the production of Tu-204SM at a rate of 3 vehicles per year.


                Quote: alex86
                read recently that the wings of the composite began to do - a separate production)?


                Absolutely, +! Separate production (another joint venture from Great Misha bully )



                On July 6, 2013, a plant for the production of parts from composite materials was launched in Kazan.

                The United Aircraft Corporation opened the KAPO-Composite plant.
                KAPO-Composite will supply parts from composite materials not only for domestic, but also for foreign aircraft models.



                During the opening of the plant, UAC President Mikhail Poghosyan and FACC AG President Walter Stefan signed an agreement of intent, according to which the Austrian company will enter the capital of KAPO-Composite CJSC in 2014.
                The FACC share in KAPO-Composite CJSC will be 24%.
                Also next year, KAPO-Composite will begin production of parts for Boeing and Airbus.



                The new production made it possible to create 200 jobs; by the end of the year, KAPO-Composite OJSC will attract about 150 more employees.
                The volume of investments in the creation of a new plant is more than 3,5 billion rubles.

                1. Mhpv
                  Mhpv 21 July 2013 22: 13
                  +4
                  This Ruslanka’s chassis are crooked wassat
                  1. VAF
                    VAF 21 July 2013 22: 22
                    +4
                    Quote: mhpv
                    This Ruslanka’s chassis are crooked


                    For what ... "composites" +! laughing , well, on the .. "racks" there are two answers:

                    1. still local, from Tatarstan.

                    2. well, as in the joke - "... and 300 years to sit on the Russian neck" lol (I ask the Tatars not to be "upset" ... because everything is like in a joke drinks )
                2. alex86
                  alex86 21 July 2013 22: 28
                  +2
                  Quote: vaf
                  The most promising is the release of Tu-204SM

                  It seemed to me that the extreme "promising" - AN-70, the building was promised to be built, or is it all in the past?
                  1. VAF
                    VAF 21 July 2013 22: 57
                    +3
                    Quote: alex86
                    or is it all in the past?


                    And a long time ago ... unfortunately, not just for KAPO, but for our Air Force.

                    99% and 0.9 .. soon we will see the Chinese! recourse
            2. peha67
              peha67 22 July 2013 07: 32
              -3
              Did you come here to troll? Or is the brain melting?
          2. Panikovsky
            Panikovsky 21 July 2013 20: 32
            -1
            and you skip the title and understand the meaning of the article itself.
          3. Panikovsky
            Panikovsky 21 July 2013 20: 48
            +1
            you can minus me, but new Ruslans will not be built, and believe me, I'm absolutely out of business here.
            1. VAF
              VAF 21 July 2013 22: 00
              +4
              Quote: Panikovsky
              but new Ruslans will not be built,


              So what am I telling you and proving ???? belay

              Or are you not for me .. to oppose? request
              1. Panikovsky
                Panikovsky 23 July 2013 19: 41
                0
                No, I don’t know you, but I’m interested in the current domestic aircraft industry, and I came to this conclusion myself. By the way, I oppose, if I do not agree, I am sure that the Ruslans will not be built.
        3. Pyckaya-dubina
          Pyckaya-dubina 22 July 2013 03: 15
          0
          we don’t have personnel shortages, all capacities are fully loaded for the Moscow Region
        4. Suhov
          Suhov 22 July 2013 11: 38
          0
          If:
          Quote: vaf
          Nobody is going to restore anything!
          Read carefully: "The electronically restored airplane frame corresponds to the original one-to-one, which will make it possible to quickly repair and modernize the existing Ruslan fleet.

          Then How to understand the title of the article:
          At the Aviastar-SP plant started recovery mass production super-heavy aircraft "Ruslan"

          what
          I read carefully ...
          hi
    2. angarchanin
      angarchanin 21 July 2013 17: 37
      +2
      You always feel bad ...
      1. VAF
        VAF 21 July 2013 18: 05
        +2
        Quote: angarchanin
        You always feel bad ...


        And tell us, well, or me, at least that you saw the good?

        Maybe I didn’t see or recognize anything .. being in Kiev and Ulyanovsk?
        1. angarchanin
          angarchanin 21 July 2013 19: 36
          0
          Everything is like in the Bible: "... the deaf, let him hear; the blind, let him see"
          1. VAF
            VAF 21 July 2013 20: 00
            +4
            Quote: angarchanin
            Everything is like in the Bible: "... the deaf, let him hear; the blind, let him see"


            Well, you are like in the times of the Communist Party of the Soviet Union - "just a little bit and here it is .. a bright future and the collapse of capitalism" wassat

            Or like now- ".. there are a lot of toads, people eat everything" fellow
            1. Gemar
              Gemar 21 July 2013 21: 12
              +6
              Quote: vaf
              people pick everything up

              A people listens, but hawala!
              Quote: vaf
              bright future and the collapse of capitalism

              In the name of Manturov and All Poghosyan ... UAC!
              1. VAF
                VAF 21 July 2013 22: 08
                +4
                Quote: Gamar
                In the name of Manturov and All Poghosyan ... UAC!


                Namesake ++++++++! drinks good laughing

      2. Panikovsky
        Panikovsky 21 July 2013 19: 22
        +6
        this is good. it is very good. the commissioning of new capacities, the increase in jobs, the renewal, even if due to the modernization of the aircraft fleet, is very good.
        1. VAF
          VAF 21 July 2013 19: 35
          +5
          Quote: Panikovsky
          the commissioning of new capacities, the increase in jobs, the renewal, even if due to the modernization of the aircraft fleet, is very good.


          Write everything correctly, +! But this is all ... "theory" and has nothing to do with real reality .... has nothing! (below I described everything for Aviastar, what is actually happening!) wink
          1. Panikovsky
            Panikovsky 21 July 2013 19: 51
            -1
            no arguments below, I did not find. Probably you are still not from an airplane?
            1. VAF
              VAF 21 July 2013 19: 58
              +4
              Quote: Panikovsky
              no arguments below, I did not find


              Well, bad, just did not see .. now this koment at 18.21 hangs on top!

              Quote: Panikovsky
              Probably you are still not from an airplane?


              And who told you. what am I from the factory? And working with the factory is that ... that means .. don’t know? wassat
              1. Panikovsky
                Panikovsky 21 July 2013 20: 35
                0
                this is not an argument, this is a smiley.
            2. Shumka
              Shumka 21 July 2013 23: 44
              0
              Umm. Saw SSI,. Luck. Found; VAF, you're twice lucky.
              1. VAF
                VAF 21 July 2013 23: 54
                +3
                Quote: Shumka
                you are twice lucky.


                Why only twice? : belay

                Quote: Shumka
                Saw SSI


                carried on July 24th, arrives on Tuesday, then I will see again drinks
    3. VAF
      VAF 21 July 2013 17: 59
      +9
      Quote: UPStoyan
      and then rebuild for millions.


      I’ll fix it a bit .. not for millions, but for .. many, many millions wassat +! lol
      And not to "restore" ... (this is all a hat, because some head of the plant's design bureau has nothing to do with the "affairs" .. Top)!

      "Image" .... like .. "movement" under "drank" money and more .. nothing, well, except for "cosmetic modernization and extension of the resource" request
    4. Homo
      Homo 22 July 2013 00: 53
      +1
      Quote: UPStoyan
      Here it is in our opinion. First, collapse everything, and then restore for millions.

      But this is just not ours! Or they have already forgotten under whose guidance and under whose dictation the EBN turned everything off!
    5. Siberian German
      Siberian German 22 July 2013 05: 21
      -1
      while stealing billions
    6. Foooxxxxx
      Foooxxxxx 22 July 2013 11: 04
      -1
      Antonov simply belongs to Ukraine, and recently Russia and Ukraine agreed on the joint production of these aircraft. The Russian Federation did not depend on the completion of the project, like ...
  2. valokordin
    valokordin 21 July 2013 17: 36
    -3
    We have witnessed the restoration of the aviation industry, but at the same time we must find the one who ruined the production and prosecute for treason, but maybe he has already died, then those who have a lower rank.
    1. Garrin
      Garrin 21 July 2013 17: 52
      +7
      Quote: valokordin
      it is necessary to find the one who ruined the production and prosecute for treason

      Start with Gorbachev and Chubais, and then on the list ...
      1. Constantine
        Constantine 21 July 2013 19: 23
        +5
        In fact, a comprehensive investigation into the destruction of the USSR and part of its legacy is long overdue. It's time, if not to involve, then show everyone how it really was and who was behind each individual operation. At least rose-colored glasses, from part of the "creative" and similar population, should fly off. And at the international level, this will make it possible to well parry attacks in our direction from the republics of the former Warsaw Pact "offended by the Soviet power". And then some quite unbelted.
    2. VAF
      VAF 21 July 2013 18: 10
      10
      Quote: valokordin
      We have witnessed the restoration of the aviation industry


      We are still witnessing the complete collapse of the aviation industry, in particular the production of civil aircraft (for the sake of the Super-Duper production) and attempts to somehow preserve what is in the "military" production, but this is not the merit of the Upper, namely the "local leaders "factories, and, unfortunately, export contracts!

      Quote: valokordin
      but maybe he’s already dead, then those who have a lower rank.


      Not there and not looking for that wassat , all on the ground (well, almost everyone, with the exception of whom by age they were "weaned" from the trough, or those who left for the "other world") wink
      1. Nayhas
        Nayhas 21 July 2013 20: 47
        +2
        The super duper got dressed in Iceland today during a certification flight. Probably, as always, "coincidence" ...
      2. nov_tech.vrn
        nov_tech.vrn 22 July 2013 10: 44
        0
        while I see only words about the restoration of the aviation industry, they produce 2,5 aircraft per year, and they demand profitability from them, we a few years ago at VASO, we rented a room for a warehouse, but also a contribution to profitability however.
        1. Constantine
          Constantine 22 July 2013 14: 02
          0
          And you look carefully;) In the photo only SSJ, of which 2012 aircraft were assembled in 12, and the pace is growing. By next year, plan to go to 60 aircraft per year.

          In addition, in 2012, 22 civilian and military transport aircraft were built. Where you lost 19.5 aircraft here is not clear. This is despite the fact that the production of new Ilovs is only being established, and the MS-21 is still only on the way. Personnel, capacity, equipment, etc. take time, and the pace and quality of construction rests on them.

          Purely military aircraft, as well as helicopters, were not taken into account. You speak for the entire aviation industry.

          More information about civil courts for 2012 can be found here - http://www.take-off.ru/news/124-news01-12-2013/736-aviaprom-itogi-01-2013
    3. s1н7т
      s1н7т 21 July 2013 21: 02
      +3
      Quote: valokordin
      We have witnessed the restoration of the aviation industry

      Shaw, already? !!! laughing good drinks
    4. Homo
      Homo 22 July 2013 00: 55
      0
      Quote: valokordin
      We have witnessed the restoration of the aviation industry, but at the same time we must find the one who ruined the production and prosecute for treason, but maybe he has already died, then those who have a lower rank.

      In your opinion, the culprit in another world already, let’s punish anyone. Like - hit your own, others will be afraid!
  3. MIKHAN
    MIKHAN 21 July 2013 17: 43
    +4
    This thing is necessary! .. Russia needs such a colossus now ... We have vast territories ..
    1. VAF
      VAF 21 July 2013 17: 55
      +7
      Quote: MIKHAN
      This thing is necessary!


      Only +! good

      Quote: MIKHAN
      Russia needs such a colossus now.


      Russia YES (i.e., us), but IM ... unfortunately .. NO request

      Quote: MIKHAN
      We have huge territories ..


      Exactly, how much more "national heritage" in these territories and in the "depth of the ores" wassat ... just "! draw and draw"!

      What are THEY, by the way, and .. "doing" (with tax exemption) CIRCUS! belay
    2. Sea snake
      Sea snake 21 July 2013 18: 06
      +1
      Quote: Author of the article
      At the Ulyanovsk plant "Aviastar-SP" restoration began mass production.

      Great news! I would like some of them to leave the military ... to ensure mobility and quick response, so to speak.
  4. Wedmak
    Wedmak 21 July 2013 18: 05
    +3
    Well, finally, real progress has begun. We are now waiting for the "first child"! drinks
    1. VAF
      VAF 21 July 2013 18: 30
      +3
      Quote: Wedmak
      Well, finally, real progress has begun.


      Denis, dear, well, where are you ..... or yesterday "the evening was a success" drinks drinks (it happens, with a hangover .. without understanding and ... "swing" .. in the wrong direction) lol
      1. Wedmak
        Wedmak 21 July 2013 19: 06
        +3
        Sergey, but what are you so ... Let now only repair, but after all, new ones will go. There are no alternatives.
        1. VAF
          VAF 21 July 2013 19: 21
          +6
          Quote: Wedmak
          Sergey, but what are you so


          Excuse me, Denis, but as it is! And then the "clowning" started again (until the "real boys" after yesterday's "gatherings" left) - "good news".

          Quote: Wedmak
          Let now only repair, but after all, new ones will go


          I have already written everything below .. there will be no new ones! Only upgrading under 100 and "pulling" the assigned calendar and resources .. that's it!

        2. Constantine
          Constantine 21 July 2013 19: 24
          +1
          Repair, most likely for training) The machine is very complicated :)
  5. Vlad_Mir
    Vlad_Mir 21 July 2013 18: 20
    +1
    There is experience with the IL-76. If the result is similar, then it's great!
    1. VAF
      VAF 21 July 2013 18: 27
      +9
      Quote: Vlad_Mir
      Have experience with the IL-76


      What "experience"? belay For 5 years to "assemble" a new aircraft worked out according to the technical documentation and within 5 years to release 1 - ????? who just now went to the second stage of the GSE and while he was a "civilian transport worker", so he remains?

      Yes .. "lay up" a new tanker on the stocks (but it is not .. "converter") and it will be the first only by the end of 1 (God forbid, what will happen), and then again .. for testing!

      So, until fellow - the result ... it's like "to Moscow ... on foot", unfortunately! request
      1. Nayhas
        Nayhas 21 July 2013 20: 49
        +2
        Quote: vaf
        but he's not .. "converter"

        I mean, without the possibility of conversion into a transporter?
        1. VAF
          VAF 21 July 2013 22: 19
          +2
          Quote: Nayhas
          I mean, without the possibility of conversion into a transporter?


          So sure! +! soldier according to TTZ on the Il-78M-90A it is not convertible (like the Il-78M ... why "bother and reinvent" .... a bicycle wassat )
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  6. Starover_Z
    Starover_Z 21 July 2013 18: 21
    +2
    Quote: Sea Snake
    Quote: Author of the article
    At the Ulyanovsk plant "Aviastar-SP" restoration began mass production.

    Great news! I would like some of them to leave the military ... to ensure mobility and quick response, so to speak.

    Yes, who is against it? Let's hope that if Shoigu remains in the Moscow Region, maybe he will break through the purchase of Ruslanov for the Russian Ministry of Defense!
    1. VAF
      VAF 21 July 2013 18: 54
      +6
      Quote: Starover_Z
      maybe he will break through the purchase of Ruslanov for the Russian Defense Ministry!


      This is from the realm of fantasy, (because this requires crazy grandmothers) and if the customer is only the RF Ministry of Defense, then ...... you yourself understand .. many projects can just "get up"!
      If anything changes. then this is only for GOZ-2025-35 .. not earlier, but this is already ... "without me"! wassat
      1. qx56v8
        qx56v8 22 July 2013 06: 11
        +1
        For me personally, your comments are one of the most interesting and useful. I hope that after all it is not "without you" and I also hope that by that time you will remember at least half of everything that you remember now ...
      2. INVESTOR
        INVESTOR 22 July 2013 10: 39
        -1
        If the war does not start earlier ...
  7. MIKHAN
    MIKHAN 21 July 2013 18: 25
    +1
    Quote: vaf
    That's right, and how much more "national heritage" in these territories and in the "depth of ores" wassat ... just "! Draw and draw"!

    What are THEY, by the way, and .. "doing" (with tax exemption) CIRCUS! belay

    I did not understand the irony and who is this "they" and what kind of circus .. ?? We need such super-heavy transports .. That's for sure!
    1. Conepatus
      Conepatus 21 July 2013 18: 40
      +2
      It is easier for the authorities to invest money in the extraction of resources than to restore (read from scratch) the production of the An-124. The oil ship is being pulled at a frantic speed, and they are planning to develop a promising destroyer only by 2018. The situation is the same with aviation.
      1. VAF
        VAF 21 July 2013 18: 50
        +3
        Quote: Conepatus
        With aviation, the same picture.


        + !,! But with aviation (BTA), unfortunately .. worse crying
      2. s1н7т
        s1н7т 21 July 2013 21: 10
        +2
        Quote: Conepatus
        With aviation, the same picture.

        We have the same picture, alas, everywhere - in tank building, in small arms, in equipment. The list is long. And single "breakthroughs" only emphasize that we cannot serially do anything new. So, to boast of a stock of old Soviet reserves.
        1. Wedmak
          Wedmak 21 July 2013 21: 17
          +3
          Yeah. So let's sit down and grieve over the old Soviet backlogs - they end !! And we will not try to do, restore, improve ...
          1. ytqnhfk
            ytqnhfk 22 July 2013 07: 52
            -3
            waf (if he of course) works in aviation, then most likely it’s either just a saboteur or even worse a saboteur! His constant nagging is that everything is bad and there will be nothing I see throughout his work on the site! He also comments a lot of things he never saw from him even a hint of positive!
    2. VAF
      VAF 21 July 2013 18: 47
      +4
      Quote: MIKHAN
      I didn't understand the irony and who is this "they" and what kind of circus ..?


      Take off your "Uryapatriotic" glasses and then you will immediately see ... "who is .. who" wink

      Quote: MIKHAN
      We need such super-heavy transports.


      Definitely needed, but for this we need them:

      1. Or to produce by ourselves .. what we, unfortunately, can not.

      2. Buy- and design bureau and production, which is what they "tried" to do in the UAC, but .... request
  8. Lopatov
    Lopatov 21 July 2013 18: 35
    +2
    Volga-Dnepr did push through this project, just as the Ministry of Defense did not kick it out. Well at least so.
    1. VAF
      VAF 21 July 2013 18: 44
      +3
      Quote: Spade
      Volga-Dnepr did push through this project


      Volga-Dnepr has nothing to do with this project, because. it is very expensive alone (it is easier for Bobby-737 and 747 Cargo) to buy (which they are doing successfully now) wink , well, "together with Kiva, they are trying to build" their own "pig" factory in Germany, where they will upgrade YOUR An-124's.
      So we, i.e. Russian Defense Ministry ..... while .... recourse But +, as always drinks
      1. Lopatov
        Lopatov 21 July 2013 18: 50
        +2
        Perhaps you missed this moment. I even read a PDF documentary from Volga-Dnepr with an economic justification of not just restoring the Ruslan's structure, but releasing a modernized version with new engines. You can search.
        1. Conepatus
          Conepatus 21 July 2013 18: 56
          +7
          Capitalists believe-deceive themselves.
          1. VAF
            VAF 21 July 2013 19: 04
            +3
            Quote: Conepatus
            Capitalists believe-deceive themselves.


            He said beautifully, definitely !!! +! drinks

            By the way, this is the "freshest" acquisition .. "AK Volga-Dnepr" wink

        2. VAF
          VAF 21 July 2013 18: 58
          +3
          Quote: Spade
          Perhaps you missed this moment.


          laughing lol wink - I answered that way ... I hope it’s clear (that you can’t talk about everything bully )

          Quote: Spade
          a documentary from Volga-Dnepr read with an economic justification not only for the restoration of the Ruslan structure, but for the release of a modernized version with new engines.


          That is why no one really "put a spoke in the wheel" for them .. "put" it when they "gathered" in Germany wink

          And by the way, with the rise of you drinks
          1. Lopatov
            Lopatov 21 July 2013 19: 06
            +1
            In Germany, the talk was no longer about modernization, but about the construction of new aircraft. While this may just be a feint with the ears, it is still more profitable for them to shift some of the costs to the Russian state. And that is precisely why they declare the need to purchase 60 (!) New Ruslans for themselves by 2030.
            1. VAF
              VAF 21 July 2013 19: 51
              +5
              Quote: Spade
              Although perhaps it’s just a feint with your ears, it’s still more profitable for them to shift part of the costs to the Russian state


              Almost exactly noticed, +! wink

              Well, for an "example" (Aksakal and all sorts of "uryapatriots" do not like, when I give such examples, but what to do with a face about a table, so on an adult soldier )

              On June 24, 2013, the 11th C-5M Super Galaxy heavy military transport aircraft went to Dover Air Force Base (Delaware)



              S-5M is a product of two-stage modernization. And, by the way, everything about everything - 8 months !!!!!! For each plane !!!!!

              The first stage (AMP - Avionics Modernization Program) includes the introduction of a “glass” cabin with modern avionics and flight instruments.

              The second stage (RERP - (Reliability Enhancement and Re-engining Program) RERP includes more than 70 updates and updates to the design and systems of the S-5 aircraft, as well as the installation of new high-power engines GE CF6-80C2 (military designation F108-GE-100) .

              In total, by 2017, the US Air Force plans to get 52 Super Galaxy planes S-5M. And what’s the most interesting ...get!

              All these rather rapid evolutions occur against the backdrop of Russia's plans to modernize its An-124 Ruslan or even restore their production.

              It is known that the United States still did not allow the use of Galaxy for commercial transportation, therefore the offers of Volga-Dnepr, Polet, Antonov Airlines, Libyan Air Cargo, Maximus Air Cargo were out of competition in the oversized market freight transportation.

              In the event that the United States "throws" at least 22 Galaxy into this market in the coming years, a fierce competition can be expected on it.

              The modernization and production of the An-124 in Russia in this case will make economic sense only with a grandiose state order. wassat
              1. Wedmak
                Wedmak 21 July 2013 20: 01
                +3
                It’s known that the United States still hasn’t allowed Galaxy to be used for commercial transportation,

                Now allow? Will there be a civilian version?
                1. Lopatov
                  Lopatov 21 July 2013 20: 10
                  +3
                  In fact, there is already competition. A fairly large share of Volga-Dnepr's lucrative pie is military shipments for NATO. Modernization of Super Galaxy will inevitably pinch off a piece of this share. And only the modernization, in turn, of "Ruslan" with a reduction in the cost of transportation is able to stop it.
                  It is becoming more interesting.
                2. VAF
                  VAF 21 July 2013 20: 11
                  +4
                  Quote: Wedmak
                  Now allow?


                  Denis, you are directly into the agents of the State Department ... bully

                  Quote: Wedmak
                  Will there be a civilian version?


                  There are plans (at least I read, if I was not mistaken with the translation wink ), but we'll see request
              2. Lopatov
                Lopatov 21 July 2013 20: 02
                +2
                Quote: vaf
                The modernization and production of the An-124 in Russia in this case will make economic sense only with a grandiose state order.

                Don't our people understand that transportation by Ruslans is economically more profitable? That in conditions when they strive to create an army "small but mobile" they simply will not be able to carry transportation by means of the Il-76 in the event of a local nix.
                1. VAF
                  VAF 21 July 2013 20: 14
                  +5
                  Quote: Spade
                  Really ours do not understand


                  Are there those who should understand this? Rather, of course there is, but only "do they have the ability to access the body"? laughing

                  After all, "nepotism and acquaintance" we have in all areas and it still .. no one canceled! request
                  1. Lopatov
                    Lopatov 21 July 2013 20: 21
                    +2
                    That is it. Look, the Ministry of Defense decided to purchase "airmobile hospitals" in inflatable tents (they can stand for three whole days without pumping, fantastic). No competitions, no performance evaluations. Why is this if Shoigu already bought them, being the head of the Ministry of Emergencies?
              3. ytqnhfk
                ytqnhfk 22 July 2013 08: 11
                -9
                waf you all clear! leave Russia for you, I’m watching all the most foreign things, your modified Galaxy is worse than our Ruslan which is * junk *! Loading capacity is 120 versus 150 for Ruslan! So admire Amerovsky further!
  9. MIKHAN
    MIKHAN 21 July 2013 19: 03
    0
    Quote: vaf
    Quote: MIKHAN
    I didn't understand the irony and who is this "they" and what kind of circus ..?


    Take off your "Uryapatriotic" glasses and then you will immediately see ... "who is .. who" wink

    Quote: MIKHAN
    We need such super-heavy transports.


    Definitely needed, but for this we need them:

    1. Or to produce by ourselves .. what we, unfortunately, can not.

    2. Buy- and design bureau and production, which is what they "tried" to do in the UAC, but .... request

    Maybe you're right .. it's difficult to argue with you .. But the only thing I know for sure! This is what if people like you were the majority in Russia .. then it simply would not exist! .. Calculations of a perspective analyst are all a necessary thing But the word "SHOULD" is not particularly remembered now .. But we can do it and can if that .. Here are the things if that ..
    1. VAF
      VAF 21 July 2013 19: 11
      +4
      Quote: MIKHAN
      This is what if people like you were the majority in Russia .. then it simply would not exist!


      Oh how .. belay ????? This is the conclusion ... belay But I think that if the people in power and my mind were in power, then our country would have been chocolate in all branches of science for a long time. Education. Medicine and equipping the Army and Navy ... and Protons would not have crumbled ... peas, and a little list in Forbes magazine wouldn’t exist!
      Quote: MIKHAN
      And we can do it and we can if that


      Well, yes ... they know how ... like all their lives. Starting from perestroika, they sold Russian Matryoshka dolls ... so until now .. in the same spirit!
      Than answer that ... "uryapatriot" wassat

      1. Conepatus
        Conepatus 21 July 2013 19: 25
        +6
        After the Civil War, top-ranking officials were vitally interested (or they would be imprisoned, or even worse) in the development of production. The country made an incredible leap in development. And not only industrial, but also in education, medicine.
        And now the official is interested only in those projects where he can grab a piece fatter for himself. And everything else, after 2020.
        Until they begin to pass sentences, there won’t be any sense to ministers.
      2. Gemar
        Gemar 21 July 2013 19: 58
        +4
        Greetings, Teska! fellow
        I read the article ... eh ...
        It’s not bad that everything is bad in our country, but not good ... But it’s bad that they inspire us that everything is good, when everything is bad ... request
        Quote: vaf
        But I think that if the people in power and my mind were in power, our country would have been in chocolate for a long time

        "That's it, Mikhalych!" May be...
        And if, yes, if I were in power, then there would be no Chinese on our land (and on Chinese soil would decrease).

        On this topic.
        An-124-300 will be! We can even argue with you on a bottle of cognac. The Chinese have already expressed interest in creating a heavyweight park. This joint venture will appear on the territory of the PRC. They will have access to the documentation, assemble five pieces together ... and then, they will announce the "independent" development of a national super-heavy transport aircraft, with the subsequent rejection of joint production ...
        I would like to be mistaken (let the cognac lose, but still ...).
        1. VAF
          VAF 21 July 2013 20: 20
          +5
          Quote: Gamar
          An-124-300 will be! We can even argue with you on a bottle of brandy


          Hello namesake! +! He won’t even argue, because there are so many Chinese in Kivy’s design bureau .. I’ve never seen ... it will be necessary, because there are already almost 20 Chinese!
          Therefore, the Antonovites are not feeling bad either at the expense of the Chinese and at the expense of their company (how much dough was cut down on Mali alone).
          So they have everything in "chocolate" for now, they will give back the An-70 and Mriya .... then in general .... a song, and we will go ... in the forest or again ... "upgrade and extend"! crying
      3. akreworpa
        akreworpa 21 July 2013 20: 40
        +3
        So you are marking the President?
        1. Gemar
          Gemar 21 July 2013 20: 49
          +3
          Quote: akreworpa
          So you are marking the President?

          Judging by the presence of humor in the comments, at least resident Comedy Club! wassat
  10. igor67
    igor67 21 July 2013 19: 05
    +2
    Maybe the bureaucrats looked at the film on geographics, there almost a month there is a broadcast about 124–224, about the biggest technological one, and so on. And they remembered: so it’s with us, you can extend the resource, such as modernization, at 92 I saw these birds in Gastomele, and even then they had time to stick the British flag on them and the British Airways inscription, as it was strange quickly, the Union had just begun to disintegrate and the cars had already shoved
    1. VAF
      VAF 21 July 2013 19: 17
      +2
      Quote: igor67
      And they remembered: so it is with us, you can extend the resource, such as modernization


      Igor, hello, dear! +! drinks

      So this is a long time ago .. "done" and KB is good (good money goes for the extension) and the same for themselves .. as far as possible .. "saw off" .. but sounds beautiful

      Employees of SE "Antonov" were awarded the RF Government Prize

      By order of the Government of the Russian Federation No. 254-r dated February 27, 2013:
      President - General Designer of SE "Antonov", Academician of NASU Dmitry Semenovich Kiva and leading specialists of the enterprise:
      Chief Designer, Candidate of Technical Sciences Alexander Ivanovich Semenets, Candidate of Technical Sciences Genrikh Genrikhovich Ongirsky (posthumously), Deputy Head of Department, Candidate of Technical Sciences Anatoly Petrovich Eretin, together with specialists from research institutes of Russia, were awarded the 2012 Government Prize of the Russian Federation in the field of science and technology for carrying out a complex of research and implementation of an effective concept for maintaining the airworthiness of An-124-100 "Ruslan" aircraft to extend the service life and service life up to 10000 flights, 50000 flight hours and 45 years.

      it's ... "extension", that's just ... okay .. let's not talk about sad things recourse
  11. uestlend
    uestlend 21 July 2013 19: 34
    +2
    Millions will not be enough; BILLIONS of at least 10 do not remember exactly 7 years ago.
    1. Thunderbolt
      Thunderbolt 21 July 2013 20: 15
      0
      According to estimates by Ernst & Young in 2008, when ordering 40 cars, 4 billion rubles will be required to prepare for production, and the price of one aircraft will be $ 150-160 million. Http://tfile.me/forum/viewtopic.php ? t = 606154
  12. MIKHAN
    MIKHAN 21 July 2013 19: 35
    -3
    Quote: vaf
    But I think that if the people in power and my mind were in power, then our country would have been chocolate in all branches of science for a long time. Education. Medicine and equipping the Army and Navy ... and Protons would not have crumbled ... peas, and a little list in Forbes magazine wouldn’t exist!

    Do you have too high self-esteem ??? Reading your posts sediment so bad to say the least .. In the 80s and 90s = the same thing to us "scoops" said .. Navalny also promises this .. Do you want to get into the Forbes ??? too late alas ..
    1. VAF
      VAF 21 July 2013 22: 31
      +4
      Quote: MIKHAN
      Is your self-conceit too high ???


      So I think so .. do not blame me!

      Quote: MIKHAN
      Reading your sediment posts is so bad to say the least


      If you think that it gives me pleasure to "contemplate" your posts ... "full of meaning, content, and especially the technical component", then you flatter yourself lol

      Quote: MIKHAN
      Do you want to get in forbes ??? alas too late ..


      And what does it have to do with it? belay Or another. "Unsuccessful attempt .. to shine" wassat
      1. Botanologist
        Botanologist 21 July 2013 23: 38
        +2
        Hi, vaf.

        How are you? Can't hear news about MiGs (purchases)?
        And then I'm on a business trip, I rarely go to the site.
        1. VAF
          VAF 21 July 2013 23: 50
          +5
          Quote: Botanologist
          How are you? Can't hear news about MiGs (purchases)?


          Greetings, dear! +! drinks

          Itself now .. practically "I will not work it out", I even "capture" the weekend.

          Last week I posted all the information on the MiG-35 .. almost everything is "fresh" (there is no new news for this week), except that two shipbuilders K and KUY fly in Yeisk on a springboard, but they put two Beetles-A on M and M2..will "try", and so far there remains Zhuk-M and MiG-35S.
          1. Apollo
            Apollo 21 July 2013 23: 56
            +3
            Quote: vaf
            That week laid out all the info on Mig-35-m


            Greetings Sergey hi Complement
            1. VAF
              VAF 22 July 2013 00: 24
              +7
              Quote: Apollon
              Complement


              Greetings, Apollo! +! You, as I see it, are the first of the .. "departed" from yesterday's "events"? wink

              The supplement is accepted, only this film is gone .. not relevant, on it the "prototype" of the MiG-35D (demonmtrator). (Belyaev and Vlasov also flew)

              Now a completely different car, with a new wing for 10 points of suspension, a new Zhuk-A (in the future), an OTES container, well, anything .. "addition", but it is in the photo that I have a MiG-35S (with Zhuk-M ) and the "old wing".

              1. studentmati
                studentmati 22 July 2013 00: 30
                +5
                Always with two hands FOR !!! good such comments !!! drinks
              2. Apollo
                Apollo 24 July 2013 13: 30
                0
                Quote: vaf
                Now a completely different car, with a new wing for 10 points of suspension, a new Zhuk-A (in the future), an OTES container, well, anything .. "addition", but it is in the photo that I have a MiG-35S (with Zhuk-M ) and the "old wing".


                Good day, Sergey! hi I didn’t know that request , which by the way is not surprising, because I'm not special in this area.
  13. awg75
    awg75 21 July 2013 19: 37
    +3
    An-124 Ruslan surpasses all analogues in the world. Russia just needs to restore the production of this product
  14. fzr1000
    fzr1000 21 July 2013 19: 49
    +1
    If this is not a real restoration of the production of An 124, then why post such a diso here? For complacency?
  15. Hemi cuda
    Hemi cuda 21 July 2013 20: 02
    +1
    Similar tops as with the VASO plant it seems there is no sense in the next project to develop the budget.
  16. MIKHAN
    MIKHAN 21 July 2013 20: 03
    0
    Ruslans will build on any .. As if someone did not maliciously .. For Russia they are needed ..!
    1. Hemi cuda
      Hemi cuda 21 July 2013 20: 12
      +4
      Who will build them? it is clear to us that they are needed only by Ruslana, from our understanding, they themselves will not appear.
    2. igor67
      igor67 21 July 2013 20: 17
      +5
      Quote: MIKHAN
      Ruslans ..For Russia they are needed ..!

      Who exactly? For commercial private companies? Or the air force? The combatants themselves determine which vehicles they should operate, this is capitalism, but the Air Force has a state program, and vehicles for the army are still different from ordinary transporters, it’s both avionics and weapons, etc. For now, only slogans, the combatants are finishing off the fleet inheritance from the Union, and it’s cheaper to buy something used than to invest in new mosses
  17. MIKHAN
    MIKHAN 21 July 2013 20: 25
    +2
    Quote: Gamar
    Greetings, Teska! fellow
    I read the article ... eh ...
    It’s not bad that everything is bad in our country, but not good ... But it’s bad that they inspire us that everything is good, when everything is bad ... request
    Quote: vaf
    But I think that if the people in power and my mind were in power, our country would have been in chocolate for a long time

    "That's it, Mikhalych!" May be...
    And if, yes, if I were in power, then there would be no Chinese on our land (and on Chinese soil would decrease).

    On this topic.
    An-124-300 will be! We can even argue with you on a bottle of cognac. The Chinese have already expressed interest in creating a heavyweight park. This joint venture will appear on the territory of the PRC. They will have access to the documentation, assemble five pieces together ... and then, they will announce the "independent" development of a national super-heavy transport aircraft, with the subsequent rejection of joint production ...
    I would like to be mistaken (let the cognac lose, but still ...).

    We will have super-heavy transporters OUR !!
    1. Hemi cuda
      Hemi cuda 21 July 2013 20: 36
      10
      Nikolay Suyazov
      11: 32 05.03.2013
      Did you know that on February 21, Messrs. Manturov (Minister of Industry of the Russian Federation), Poghosyan (President of the UAC), Rubtsov (Ilyushin Finance) in Canada entered into a contract for the supply of 32 Bombardier aircraft to Russia for 2.56 billion dollars, i.e. 80 million dollars apiece. Airplanes will be bought for state (read folk) money and leased to Russian airlines.
      With this money, it would be possible to order today 80 (eighty) Russian An-148 or Tu-334 corresponding to the world level. And half of this amount would allow launching the Tu-334, Tu-204SM, An-38 into production and loading orders with our aircraft factories with our specialists who can’t breathe.
      Does Mr. Putin know that the Russian Minister of Industry and comrades is financing someone else's aircraft industry, while his own is left without orders?
      Is this not a betrayal of Russian interests and the interests of Russian workers working in the aircraft industry?
      Why do you think this news was not heard in the media?
      Argumenty Nedeli newspaper No. 8 (350) of February 28, 2013

      This is to reflect on whether we will have heavy-duty transporters or not.
      1. Gemar
        Gemar 21 July 2013 20: 56
        +4
        Quote: Hemi Cuda
        This is to reflect on whether we will have heavy-duty transporters or not.

        drinks + + +
        Will be! With the inscription MADE IN ZAGRANICA.
        Quote: Hemi Cuda
        Is this not a betrayal of Russian interests and the interests of Russian workers working in the aircraft industry?

        crying
      2. knn54
        knn54 21 July 2013 23: 15
        +1
        The Turks purchased the same plane for $ 77.6 million. Rubtsov (the head of the IFC company, which was established in 1999 to support the DOMESTIC! Civilian aircraft industry) and Co. will receive $ 2,4x32 million. And this, at a minimum.
    2. VAF
      VAF 21 July 2013 22: 36
      +3
      Quote: MIKHAN
      We will have super-heavy transporters OUR !!


      Uryayayayayayayayafellow wassat crying crying

  18. rudolff
    rudolff 21 July 2013 20: 26
    +3
    "The electronically restored airplane frame ..." Who can explain this phrase to me? I read it several times, but I didn't get it! Digitized part of the airframe documentation or what?
    1. Hemi cuda
      Hemi cuda 21 July 2013 20: 29
      +1
      Quote: rudolff
      Translated into the digital part of the documentation for the glider or what?
      yes translated
    2. VAF
      VAF 21 July 2013 22: 43
      +5
      Quote: rudolff
      Translated into the digital part of the documentation for the glider or what?


      Like what? Give me some money ..... "we .. will master them"! crying

      after all, it is not only the Great Misha who says, "we did ... in digital"!

    3. tegezen
      tegezen 21 July 2013 22: 55
      0
      End-to-end digital design is a necessary element of modern aircraft production, this is when the created digital model of the part is directly transferred to the processing centers, where the part is actually machined in metal, bypassing the paper stage. It increases labor productivity, reduces cost. So the superjet is made. Converting paper drawings of an entire airplane into electronic form is a very laborious and expensive task. For example, Antonov can’t translate AN-70 into electronic form, either there is not enough money or competence. So the news can be understood so that preparations are being made for the production of Ruslan. The digitization procedure was too expensive, not for the sake of pleasure.
      1. VAF
        VAF 21 July 2013 23: 10
        +4
        Quote: tegezen
        End-to-end digital design.


        Write everything absolutely correctly, just don't focus on .. "it is in the modern construction industry."
        The Super-duper example is extremely unsuccessful for the simple reason that 85% is produced abroad and you need to pay a gesheft in return, so even if it is made from ... air2, it is a priori unprofitable !!!

        Quote: tegezen
        The digitization procedure was too expensive, not for the sake of pleasure.


        If not for the sake of pleasure: belay And for what else ????? Nafig need a "figure" if there is not a single stand, not a single slipway ????
  19. MIKHAN
    MIKHAN 21 July 2013 20: 38
    +1
    Quote: igor67
    Quote: MIKHAN
    Ruslans ..For Russia they are needed ..!

    Who exactly? For commercial private companies? Or the air force? The combatants themselves determine which vehicles they should operate, this is capitalism, but the Air Force has a state program, and vehicles for the army are still different from ordinary transporters, it’s both avionics and weapons, etc. For now, only slogans, the combatants are finishing off the fleet inheritance from the Union, and it’s cheaper to buy something used than to invest in new mosses

    The army needs such things .. They will take away, then if they don’t understand the good .. The time is not right now .. liberasts are everywhere divorced .. like "my mindset .. and you are in chocolate" ugh .. damn .. it smells like a war now and that's it this reasoning ..
    1. Gemar
      Gemar 21 July 2013 21: 07
      +5
      Quote: MIKHAN
      The army needs such things ..

      Those who have to build (with brains) have either gone into business or are already working abroad.
      Quote: MIKHAN
      They will select if they don’t understand for good ..

      To select ??? Well, in recent exercises, it was not possible to use the fully privatized airport ... But in order to select something, you must first build something!
      Quote: MIKHAN
      The time is not right now .. liberastov everywhere divorced .. like "my mindset .. and you are in chocolate" ugh .. damn ..

      I’m not afraid to ask, and if your mentality is in the government, then where \ in what do you think we will be? Everyone who believes that he could change Russia for the better is worthy of respect (including you). hi
      Quote: MIKHAN
      Ugh

      Why are you spitting, Dear ?! You then monitor ... No offense, okay? drinks
      Spit better in the Chinese! Now they are doing just that, in relation to us!
  20. MIKHAN
    MIKHAN 21 July 2013 21: 25
    0
    Quote: Gamar
    Why are you spitting, Dear ?! You then monitor ... No offense, okay? drinks
    Spit better in the Chinese! Now they are doing just that, in relation to us!

    It happens ... sometimes it’s necessary .. heh heh .. Here again they scare the Chinese .. Here I am watching your brother’s standard posts at you .. (very informed .. thoughtful ..) But the essence is the same .. just judging by the posts. .. The truth is on our side .. !!
  21. MIKHAN
    MIKHAN 21 July 2013 21: 44
    -1
    There is a lot of "special mindset" here .. Well, well .. Everyone in the headquarters serves and in design institutes .. They know in technical terms how many and what weapons we have ... and what will not shoot and take off ... Well done! !!
  22. studentmati
    studentmati 21 July 2013 21: 46
    +1
    Great news! good Will we really pull it?

    "The electronically restored airplane frame corresponds to the original one-to-one, which will make it possible to quickly repair and modernize the existing Ruslan fleet, and will also form the basis for the manufacture of an updated aircraft modification,"

    But this phrase smacks of two or three years before the start of the flights, and provided that competent production workers will take up the matter, and to whom they will give money.
    1. VAF
      VAF 21 July 2013 22: 48
      +3
      Quote: studentmati
      But this phrase smacks of two or three years before the start of flights


      Alexander, dear, this phrase .. if you take it only as a hypothesis, "smacks" (as you put it) at least 5 years before they "lay" on the slipway, well, what would .. raise .. so also 5 years old ... at least! wink
  23. studentmati
    studentmati 21 July 2013 23: 02
    +2
    Quote: vaf
    Alexander, dear, this phrase .. if you take it only as a hypothesis, "smacks" (as you put it) at least 5 years before they "lay" on the slipway, well, what would .. raise .. so still 5 years old ... at least! wink


    Good evening, Sergei. According to our Soviet standards, 5 years before the slipway + 5 years for take-off - I agree, this is the classic norm for a new product. In my 2-3 appraisal years, I invested, that the drawings have survived, with normal financing the slipway is not a problem to "raise" (from my experience on a number of products I remember). Not all craftsmen and riveters have drank themselves and re-profiled, they can be raised for a decent salary, and not for 15. The time for testing and flying around can also be significantly reduced, with the right approach. But all this is possible with competent production workers (I hate the nickname managers), project managers in general, and, of course, with sufficient funding.
    1. VAF
      VAF 21 July 2013 23: 22
      +7
      Quote: studentmati
      with normal funding, the slipway is not a problem to "raise" (from my experience on a number of products I remember). Not all the craftsmen and riveters drank themselves and re-profiled,


      Alexander, even with normal financing, specifically Aviastar ... this will not save ... take a word ... there are no personnel anymore ... managers. Energy managers. Image makers, etc ... this ... started.

      For a decent salary, forget the same .... 25-30 thousand and that's it ... how then will managers receive 3-5 lemons? wassat

      And the tests we can reduce only by combining 9 history knows examples).
      Although it eventually comes out .. "sideways"!
      But who thinks about this "side" ... the main thing fellow (it’s now), but before it was .. time to report: soldier and tsatsku to the chest and a star on the shoulder strap, and then ... and then ... finalize! +! request
  24. studentmati
    studentmati 21 July 2013 23: 26
    +2
    [quote = vaf]
    ... managers.energyisers. image makers, etc ... this ... got it.

    For a decent salary, forget the same .... 25-30 thousand and that's it ... how then will managers receive 3-5 lemons? wassat

    And the tests we can reduce only by combining 9 history knows examples).
    Although it eventually comes out .. "sideways"!

    I agree with you, Sergey. The sad picture. sad I’m just brought up in such a way that I still want to believe and hope for the best.
  25. tegezen
    tegezen 21 July 2013 23: 30
    +1
    [quote = vaf] there is not a single stand, not a single slipway ???? [/ quote
    The slipway for the AN-124 has not disappeared from Aviastar.
    In general, the main problem is intellectual property rights. It is impossible to agree with Ukraine. Only if you unscrew your hands.
    1. VAF
      VAF 21 July 2013 23: 37
      +3
      Quote: tegezen
      The slipway for the AN-124 has not disappeared from Aviastar.


      So we seem to be talking for An-124-300, and there it seems to be like .. a completely new wing wink

      Well, otherwise you are right .. although you can agree with everyone and everything ..... after all, with Boeing the Great Misha .. "agreed" lol +!
      1. studentmati
        studentmati 21 July 2013 23: 43
        +4
        ... although you can agree with everyone and everything ...
        In this case, I believe that intellectual property in full belongs to the Soviet Designers. And it is necessary to quickly translate this property into metal, and then let the loafers prove the opposite. During this time, a resource will be developed and moral old age will come in time ... drinks
        1. VAF
          VAF 21 July 2013 23: 59
          +2
          Quote: studentmati
          In this case, I think


          As an option .. +! drinks
  26. rudolff
    rudolff 21 July 2013 23: 50
    +4
    Maybe you shouldn't take this statement seriously? Several vague and ambiguous phrases of the plant's design bureau chief at the "engineers of the future" youth forum. Reproduced from the "light hand" of ITAR-TASS by all media, as the resumption of production. Maybe it's just "fantasies on a free theme" in pursuit of Medvedev's chatter with Azarov on the Ruslan theme. Or maybe a banal desire to pinch off a piece of pie for a complete digitization of the machine. Antonov design bureau, I think, is also not averse to making money on this business. The question is, "who will order the music?"
    1. VAF
      VAF 22 July 2013 00: 00
      +5
      Quote: rudolff
      Maybe it's just "fantasies on a free theme" in pursuit of Medvedev's chatter with Azarov on the Ruslan theme. Or maybe a banal desire to pinch off a piece of pie for a complete digitization of the machine. Antonov design bureau, I think, is also not averse to making money on this business. The question is, "who will order the music?"


      The same .. +! drinks And good night wink
  27. rudolff
    rudolff 22 July 2013 00: 05
    +3
    Vaf. Hello, Sergey! For a long time did not intersect. How do you like the incident with the Superjet in Iceland, what do you think about this? An interesting vacuum cleaner turned out. Did they even try to release the chassis, or was it just supposed to be a fly over the lane?
  28. rudolff
    rudolff 22 July 2013 00: 12
    +2
    Vaf. Goodnight! I did not have time with my question.
  29. Homo
    Homo 22 July 2013 00: 51
    +2
    Quote: UPStoyan
    Here it is in our opinion. First, collapse everything, and then restore for millions.

    This is not our way. Or have you already forgotten under whose direction and under whose dictation EBN turned everything off!
  30. albatross
    albatross 22 July 2013 01: 33
    +2
    Until they get their hands on it, in full or in a controlling stake, there will be no point. Will "roll-back" method "their" money to earn and that's it.
    We are looking forward to large-scale privatization and the law on tax amnesty for capital earned from the 90s.
  31. studentmati
    studentmati 22 July 2013 01: 41
    +1
    In principle, I agree with you, Nikolay! We will not know about the formalities. Information about the start of construction and the first flight is maximum.
  32. pamero
    pamero 22 July 2013 05: 39
    0
    It all starts small. If you don’t know what to do, take a step forward !!! So it is with transport aircraft. With people it is necessary to be softer, but you need to look at the difficulties more widely.
  33. NickitaDembelnulsa
    NickitaDembelnulsa 22 July 2013 06: 43
    +2
    We have been waiting for this news since 2004.
  34. individual
    individual 22 July 2013 07: 48
    +1
    The An-124 Ruslan aircraft was designed primarily for the airlift of mobile launchers of intercontinental ballistic missiles, such as the MZKT-79221 tractor, as well as for large-scale landing air transport of personnel, heavy military equipment and large-capacity transport.
    Now the An-124 Ruslan aircraft is in demand by Russia.
  35. kartalovkolya
    kartalovkolya 22 July 2013 07: 59
    +2
    It is gratifying to hear that! I myself had the honor to serve in Ulyanovsk as part of the 26th UHSC, which erected this complex. This complex has always amazed us with its scale and capabilities. And how nice it was to see the soaring Ruslans (they were deployed almost above our barracks). And I also want to add about a fantastic sight: this is the removal of Ruslanov from the workshop to the airfield (at night) along the avenue. It was something. The news is very pleasing: it is not for nothing that we worked 2-3 shifts!
  36. Alan
    Alan 22 July 2013 10: 18
    +2
    Quote: Hemi Cuda
    Is this not a betrayal of Russian interests and the interests of Russian workers working in the aircraft industry?

    Not one such thought comes to your mind. Unfortunately, we don’t have a nationally oriented government, and it’s not even Putin’s matter, but that everything is tied to the interests of different financial groups, clans, and corporations. And if such a government appears, then he will have one way for the country's development - nationalization of strategic industries (there is no faith in fairy tales about effective private traders) !! And this, as you know, is too much ......
  37. Foooxxxxx
    Foooxxxxx 22 July 2013 11: 12
    0
    Documents governing joint production should be signed in September at a meeting of the Ukrainian-Russian committee on economic cooperation.

    Russia and Ukraine have agreed to establish a joint venture for the production of the An-124 Ruslan aircraft.

    An-124 is a unique aircraft, cooperation on which will give impetus to the further development of Russian-Ukrainian cooperation in the aviation industry.

    "It is very important that we have a positive experience of creating a joint venture and joint production. An-124 is a unique aircraft that has great potential in all sectors of the world economy."
  38. Committee
    Committee 22 July 2013 11: 43
    +2
    I don’t know how at Aviastar, but here, for example, at Uralvagonzavod, at serious production sites, there is a terrible personnel shortage! Unique things stand in line for half a year or a year, there is no one to process, there is simply no one to process! You can’t put a guest worker to the CNC ...
  39. TAGIR
    TAGIR 22 July 2013 11: 47
    0
    ALL LATEST NEWS FROM "AVISTRA" http://youtu.be/QqVptTev6cs
  40. sevtrash
    sevtrash 22 July 2013 14: 41
    +2
    As far as I read the maintenance of the An-124 is quite expensive, more expensive than the S-5 it seems every two times. Somehow they do not constantly pay attention to this, probably the main problem of export of Soviet and Russian equipment is after-sales service.
    And after the modernization of S-5, the difference will be even more significant. Capacity figures are certainly good, but the cost of maintenance, fuel?