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And you will be distributed: the departure of Russia from the state status of graduated unemployed

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The FNPR (Federation of Independent Trade Unions of Russia) came to the Russian lawmakers with the initiative to return the distribution of graduates after graduating from state universities. Deputies of the State Duma promised that they would consider this initiative in the course of the next autumn session, and, presumably, they would consider it positively, that is, the post-graduate distribution would indeed be returned.


And you will be distributed: the departure of Russia from the state status of graduated unemployed


Well, the initiative is very sound. Now, a young man (girl) who enrolls at a particular university on a budgetary basis will be able to find a job immediately after graduation. Today, the majority of Russian university graduates (academies) and other higher schools face difficulties in finding employment. According to statistics for the year 2012, every tenth graduate with just received a diploma is sent to the nearest employment center of the population and receives the status of the unemployed. Up to 64,% of graduates are forced to get a job not according to the received specialty. This suggests that the costs of the federal budget for training most Russian students are ineffective. At the expense of tax collections, the state trains millions of its citizens in higher educational institutions of the country, but in most cases graduates either cannot get a job in the specialty they have received, or they themselves do not want to receive it. The number of unemployed with university diplomas is growing by leaps and bounds. Naturally, such a state of affairs cannot be considered normal if Russia sets itself ambitious goals of increasing economic growth rates.

Today, many employers are trying to get such an employee, who would not only have specialized education, but also had work experience, and also corresponded to the age before 30-35 years. It turns out that such conditions are immediately deleted from the number of applicants for vacant positions of graduates of Russian universities. Their education and age are suitable, but with experience, for obvious reasons, not everything is so simple ... This pushes graduates to get a job that often has nothing to do with the knowledge and skills they have received in universities.

If the trade union initiative is adopted, then the graduates will have a chance to find a job just according to the received specialty. Well, if a university graduate will do what is called “fooling in Vanka”, stating that the places proposed for distribution are not suitable for him, then he will be obliged to return exactly the amount spent on his training to the state.

In general, once again it can be stated that the initiative is reasonable, and that it enables graduates of higher Russian schools not to become unemployed immediately after graduation. In addition, the trade union initiative will allow those who study (and most often are just listed) to be brought to clean water in universities, so that they will not be able to get a job in their specialty, which will appear in his diploma.

However, with all the benefits of this initiative, it has (as with any initiative) its pitfalls. The fact is that the distribution after universities effectively worked 25 and more than years ago, that is, at a time when enterprises were very often state-owned. And the state enterprise obviously could not disobey the orders from above and, for example, having balked, did not take on the work of the university graduate. That is why the percentage of young people in various fields of activity (production, science, medicine, education, trade, etc.) in Soviet times was several times higher than today. And what about our time? And the fact that state-owned enterprises, of course, remained, but their percentage in comparison with private ones is truly insignificant. Whether the owner of a private company wants to take yesterday’s student to work is a rhetorical question ...

To be willing, this same employer will most likely require any preferences for himself and his business. Tax breaks, for example. Obviously, if the state really sets itself the task of actually reducing unemployment and the employment of university graduates, then it will have to make such concessions to it (the state).

Of course, you can dance from another stove: set up a repressive car option for those private employers who refuse to participate in the program for providing graduates with jobs. You will not take - deprive the license ... This is offhand. But the repressive machine in modern conditions is unlikely to work with a positive. Repression in business can lead to what has resulted in a substantial increase in tax levies on private entrepreneurs - a third (this is still the best) will simply go into the shadows.

It turns out that the state (and the trade unions, too) need to now look for ways of constructive dialogue with private entrepreneurs in various industries who could hire graduates from Russian universities. In this case, the distribution system will be truly effective. Graduates will have a real choice of a place where he could work and bring benefits to the state, at least in the form of paying taxes.

Of course, you can try not to take into account private business, but to focus on the distribution of students in areas where a high percentage of state participation remains: education, law enforcement, medicine, defense, astronautics, railway transport, etc. Here you can offer a considerable number of places for the young people who receive diplomas of Russian universities. But then such an initiative cannot be called full-fledged. In this case, the state will simply have to admit that it is not able to provide jobs for graduates, for example, universities of the textile industry, agricultural universities, etc. And if it cannot, then this is an occasion to pay attention to such universities for gentlemen headed by Dmitry Livanov, who, apparently, literally craves to find another batch of "ineffective" ...

That is why I would like to hope that the initiative will not only be accepted, but also accepted meaningfully - without a fever, without the need for new abbreviations, which are hidden behind the beautiful term “optimization”. And the fact that the adoption of such a reasonable initiative is overdue is obvious. Otherwise, our country will continue to turn into a country of graduated unemployed.
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  1. valokordin
    valokordin 22 July 2013 07: 21 New
    +9
    The author I respect, did not give a mark — I will do it later, but who are the independent Shmakov trade unions, and from whom they are independent, rather from the proletarians. Their yellowness, strike-breaker orientation is obvious and their initiative can be approved, as it is reasonable, but what will their true bourgeois masters say? Maybe the initiative is premature to say in the EP, not democratic.
    1. Russian
      Russian 22 July 2013 07: 42 New
      +3
      The initiative is good, otherwise you graduate from the institute and walk on all four sides, and it’s really difficult to get a job, work experience is needed everywhere, so it turns out that most of them get good positions in communications, and it doesn’t matter what kind of professional aptitude you have in this matter.
      It will certainly not be profitable for our businessmen, but they need profit here and now, and not to educate young people, so let's see whose interests are more important for our government.
      1. zart_arn
        zart_arn 22 July 2013 07: 51 New
        +5
        This "good" initiative lacks the smallest thing - the return of the USSR with its mighty industry, of course.
      2. Vladimirets
        Vladimirets 22 July 2013 08: 23 New
        +2
        Quote: р_у_с_с_к_и_й
        Good initiative

        The article is good, the initiative is bad. I don’t think that any leader will be happy if they send him a pig in a poke. Efficiency is above all. This is a harsh truth.
        1. DEMENTIY
          DEMENTIY 22 July 2013 11: 58 New
          +3
          Vladimirets
          The article is good, the initiative is bad. I don’t think that any leader will be happy if they send him a pig in a poke. Efficiency is above all. This is a harsh truth.


          The correct remark that refers us to the standards of education (USE, 1000000 million universities, etc., etc.). At one time (80), the distribution sister came to Arkhangelsk and was the only one in her industry with a higher education, and with a red diploma in addition (not bought for fat!) - I don’t want to work!
          Not you unemployment, not you suck "specialists". request

          It is necessary to enter unambiguously - only a bunch of questions along the way to solve.
      3. Crocodile
        Crocodile 22 July 2013 08: 49 New
        +2
        It would be not bad, but only state employees should be distributed. The minimum working period is 5 years, or the return of funds spent on training the state (of your choice!).
        1. anip
          anip 22 July 2013 09: 39 New
          +6
          Quote: Crocodile
          It would be not bad, but only state employees should be distributed. The minimum working period is 5 years, or the return of funds spent on training the state (of your choice!).

          Not bad, not bad, but what a trick, public sector employees will get jobs from which everyone "runs" due to various conditions, for example, low wages, poor working conditions, etc.
          1. ben gun
            ben gun 22 July 2013 11: 33 New
            +4
            It seems to me that such graduates will be "plugged" in problem areas and remote villages.
          2. mirror
            mirror 22 July 2013 19: 40 New
            +1
            Well, what to do, I studied at the state account, I will have to work out the money where indicated. He studied for his - work wherever you want. Life truth.
            1. Sotnik77s
              Sotnik77s 23 July 2013 13: 42 New
              0
              Come on, study for yours and work wherever you want, my friend is studying for his hard-earned money, the fifth year is really in absentia, and what do you think he will need? Well, if you need it, but most likely another answer suggests itself !!!!!! ! need work experience? here we need to take real people and teach, and then we are taught to drivers, but to some senior specialist who will have a good salary in the future, they are not taught to say: We need work experience
      4. anip
        anip 22 July 2013 09: 36 New
        +4
        Quote: р_у_с_с_к_и_й
        work experience is needed everywhere, so it turns out that most of them work in good positions, and it doesn’t matter what kind of professional aptitude you have in this matter.

        Do you seriously think that:
        1. can I get good positions like this, right after the university in distribution, without any work experience, if you do not have any connections?
        2. Can I have high professional suitability right after the university, or while still working in my specialty?
        3. according to the distribution will not be arranged by relations?
        1. GHG
          GHG 22 July 2013 11: 18 New
          +2
          You understand very well that now they are not hiring, but somehow. The employer always takes for a trial period and looks closely at the employee.
          At the expense of distribution ... they used to study for prestigious specialties in directions from organizations. That's where there were "hairy hands." I will also say something else ... higher education is needed to screen out people who are not amenable to learning, as well as those who have little interest in learning Unfortunately, the old education system has been destroyed and now the basis of education is commercial, and corrupt relations with the university and the teaching staff. Education is only the foundation of the personality, a person builds himself throughout his entire subsequent life. Something like this.
      5. leon-iv
        leon-iv 22 July 2013 09: 50 New
        +1
        but it’s really difficult to get a job, work experience is needed everywhere, so it turns out that most of them work in good positions, and it doesn’t matter what kind of professional aptitude you have in this matter.

        immediately wanted to be the director of Gazprom?
        Lol naive Chukchi loader
      6. aviamed90
        aviamed90 22 July 2013 18: 29 New
        0
        Russian

        Distribution worked well in the socialist system.

        With a system like ours, this will lead to slavery.

        Young people enter the university, receive education and profession (more often than not for free) and go to work forcibly for the state for a penny. So let them pay then decently. But this is not to be expected.
        And businessmen do not need people without work experience.
    2. Ulan
      Ulan 22 July 2013 16: 08 New
      +1
      Yeah ... Shmakov trade unions have long turned into a private commercial enterprise of Mr. Shmakov and Co. They have nothing to do with real independent trade unions.
      The independent trade union movement in Russia is just emerging and it is not known when it will gain strength. As long as neither private traders nor the state reckon with them, and Shmakov's "trade union" is one of the subdivisions of the state machine.
      As for the distribution, I am personally in favor. If you want to study in the budgetary department, then work after graduation for a certain period. But such students also need to pay a normal scholarship.
      Well, those who want free distribution let them pay for their studies.
      1. aviamed90
        aviamed90 22 July 2013 19: 13 New
        0
        Ulan-u

        I agree with such a statement of the question.
  2. Sea snake
    Sea snake 22 July 2013 07: 32 New
    +8
    I would still like to know in more detail WHERE THEY (graduates) WILL WORK?
    In our city, for example, out of a dozen large enterprises, only 2 normally work ... those that drive raw materials for export. The rest are either breathing in the air, or have already gone bankrupt, closed and plundered.
    Article (+) - for raising a "sore" topic.
  3. knn54
    knn54 22 July 2013 07: 38 New
    +8
    WHERE is the State Duma going to arrange graduates: in shopping centers? There are clearly not enough places in Roskosmos or Gazprom ...
    1. the polar
      the polar 22 July 2013 09: 27 New
      +5
      Quote: knn54
      WHERE is the State Duma going to arrange graduates: in shopping centers? There are clearly not enough places in Roskosmos or Gazprom ...

      A charming initiative of the FNPR is to sell a university graduate, trained with budget funds, into slavery for three years to a private trader. We decided to legitimize the "Caucasian traditions".
      For the experiment, sell Shmakov and the company to a brick factory, where is the thread in Dagestan.
      1. alicante11
        alicante11 22 July 2013 11: 08 New
        -2
        Do not want to "sell" - learn for your money. This is not a sale, but only debt collection.
        1. Rakti-kali
          Rakti-kali 22 July 2013 23: 04 New
          0
          Quote: alicante11
          Do not want to "sell" - learn for your money.

          And on a budget, they’re not teaching for my money for an hour? And then I kind of pay taxes ...
          Quote: alicante11
          This is not a sale, but only a return of debts.

          Just the opposite. Teaching a child at a university or secondary school on a "budget" the state pays the debt to the parents of these children.
          1. alicante11
            alicante11 23 July 2013 01: 55 New
            0
            Well, then for MY too. I pay them too. And, for example, my child did not enter the budget. Whereas? And by the way, the student himself still does not pay taxes mainly.

            Just the opposite. Teaching a child at a university or secondary school on a "budget" the state pays the debt to the parents of these children.


            That was the case under socialism. Now the state, unfortunately, owes nothing to anyone.
            Well, plus, the child’s parents also probably studied at a university or secondary school and nxyj for free, received free or discounted tickets to sanatoriums, an apartment from the state, and medical assistance half of their life is also free. So if we start counting money, then who else knows who owes to whom. As I was told in the social insurance. You paid social charges in 10 times less than what you need per child for maternity benefits.
            1. Rakti-kali
              Rakti-kali 23 July 2013 16: 32 New
              0
              Quote: alicante11
              And, for example, my child did not enter the budget.

              Omitting the possibility of corruption, I can only say one thing - it is your fault, it was necessary to monitor the formation of a child.
              Quote: alicante11
              You paid social security fees 10 times less than you need per child for maternity benefits.

              Brazenly lying.
  4. serge-68-68
    serge-68-68 22 July 2013 07: 41 New
    0
    The initiative has periodically revived for 10 years. It is positive from all sides (including from the point of view of changes in the professional structure of future employees). But the experience of educational reforms shows that our already painful system of higher education will be "sick" for a very long time. And then you look - he will die. I will assume that this proposal, as well as with other reforms, is already late.
  5. treskoed
    treskoed 22 July 2013 07: 45 New
    +3
    Rather, it will be, as always: paid - entered, still paid - received a diploma, again paid - beautifully distributed! What is new?
    1. Crocodile
      Crocodile 22 July 2013 08: 55 New
      +1
      In our time, in order to be beautifully distributed, it was necessary to study well ... All vacancies on one board, the right to choose according to the score of the diploma. We had more than 50 "buyers" for every 100 graduates. Everything new is well forgotten old.
      1. fartfraer
        fartfraer 22 July 2013 09: 03 New
        +3
        say the diploma point) my future wife is an economist. now they have offered the position of financial director in the same organization, but she selects an economist to replace herself. Do not believe me, a man with a honors degree from the Higher School of Economics (Higher Business School under the Tomsk State Univer) came and I could not answer her elementary (in her words the topic of 2-3 courses) questions on economics.
        1. omsbon
          omsbon 22 July 2013 10: 26 New
          +2
          Quote: fartfraer
          I could not answer her elementary (in her words the topic of 2-3 courses) questions on economics.

          Unfortunately, the same situation with doctors!
    2. alicante11
      alicante11 22 July 2013 11: 10 New
      +1
      There will be no distribution for commerce. Only state employees. How will you make the commerce work? If we scare the state employee with the payment of funds for training, then how will we scare the commerce? And no one canceled the shopping mall, filed an application and 15 days later ... "goodbye."
  6. domokl
    domokl 22 July 2013 08: 09 New
    +4
    There are a lot of omissions and distortions. Ineffective education costs? Nonsense. How many state employees study at universities? We got a simple university scheme to survive, it opens a paid department, the number of specialists is more than necessary, the quality of education (especially in the paid sector) has decreased ( it’s clear what to teach for money, it means taking exams for them). And then a graduate with a degree in higher education or a special education comes to work. Sheep is a ram ... Nobody will teach him in a private company ... You need to earn money at ... Therefore, they take those who have learned at least a little something in other companies.
    Conclusion-distribute need ONLY public sector employees. Contracts must be concluded for a long period (at least 5 years). Enterprises must have incentives when hiring such graduates. SPECIALTIES
    1. anip
      anip 22 July 2013 09: 43 New
      +3
      Quote: domokl
      Conclusion-distribute need ONLY public sector employees.

      That's right, and you can take them to low-paid jobs (well, can well-paid jobs just be so vacant?) And you can pay state employees at the minimum wage, and will not go anywhere in the next 5 years.
      In current realities, all this fuss is similar to legislative consolidation of altered slavery and (or) serfdom.
      1. alicante11
        alicante11 22 July 2013 11: 14 New
        0
        Saved on study, paid at work. What do you want? Is capitalism in the yard? After the institute, I distributed a teacher to a techie. On 700 re, while my classmates with contracts for production on the railway received 4-6tys. For three years he plowed honestly, and then overtook them all in salary, going to increase. Something like that. If you are something, then you will not be lost.
    2. My address
      My address 22 July 2013 15: 02 New
      0
      Agree with Alexander-domoki.
      Seen enough of the current "engineers". But you have to do something. Most of them are not stupid, but in the profession they are not. The enterprise needs to be brought to a normal level, but for benefits and only state employees. There are a lot of disadvantages in such a scheme, but the advantages outweigh. And then the priority of state employees will work and the state will turn its face towards them (I hope).
      Only this is not for the DAM government.
  7. Crocodile
    Crocodile 22 July 2013 08: 40 New
    +2
    It's time to introduce the distribution!
    Why then do you need training at public expense?
    Now the preparation of a "techie" student for the entire period of study costs about half a million rubles, and there is no one to work.
    1. fartfraer
      fartfraer 22 July 2013 08: 58 New
      +1
      let's take an interest in that first-time teacher. then we decide whether it is worth the person who sometimes wants to eat, go to study at the ped.univer.
      "tower" has become an "indicator" (though not always an indicator of knowledge) and a fashionable "trick". I met in vacancies advertisements for a carrier with a "tower".
      don't universities produce enough "specialists"? so why are they not enough in schools, etc.? rhetorical questions, do not answer. If appropriate conditions were created "on the ground", there would be those who want to work in their profession, but not just those who want , and young specialists. Well, for example, in some villages, teachers are given houses, they are given land, etc. and in some they simply close schools "as unnecessary" and take children by buses to neighboring settlements.
      Well, to summarize, few people will go to study for such a profession, after receiving which you will be sent to the "hole" to live on a "penny"
      1. anip
        anip 22 July 2013 09: 45 New
        +1
        Quote: fartfraer
        Well, to summarize, few people will go to study for such a profession, after receiving which you will be sent to the "hole" to live on a "penny"

        Absolutely.
  8. 128mgb
    128mgb 22 July 2013 09: 19 New
    +2
    Now liberal cry will raise a scoop, human rights, self-determination. But in fact it’s true, if you are studying on a budget at the state expense, be kind enough to work out.
    1. fartfraer
      fartfraer 22 July 2013 09: 29 New
      +2
      anticipating your possible accusations of me personally in "liberasty" - I agree with you, but let the state provide appropriate conditions for young specialists. In the end, these people do not learn from slaves.
      I had a chance to work at a construction site with old bricklayers. After vocational school (I just give an example), working at a construction site, they received apartments for 3-5 years. It seems like we had a program in the region (now it works or not) - you go as a teacher in a village school, they build a house for you and give you land. after 5 years of work, it becomes your property. quite a sensible program (I know that something like this was acting not only in our region). first of all it is necessary to develop such "movements", then many university graduates will go to work in their specialty without any assignments.
  9. IRBIS
    IRBIS 22 July 2013 09: 46 New
    +3
    There is one more "pitfall". This is the level of knowledge of current graduates. There are categories of young people who, with their brains, have not passed a single exam and test, this was done by the wallets of their parents. And this "miracle" comes to get a job. The first conversation shows that specialized knowledge is practically zero. Where to take it? Not only that, it also wants a "decent" salary, right now, from day one. At the same time, the further list of "wishes" of the young "specialist" simply leads to a stupor. I had to personally deal with the above, such meetings do not bring pleasure.
    1. Sea snake
      Sea snake 22 July 2013 10: 46 New
      +3
      I completely agree! Also watched.
      Moreover, a young "specialist" cannot even correctly formulate his requests, speaks incorrectly, writes illiterately. ... not to mention the knowledge of their specialty.
      Previously, the education system made you think, but now it offers to choose the right answer from several suggested ones. Previously, most could in their minds (or manually on a piece of paper) calculate-calculate something and "by hand" make a drawing. Now, without a calculator and a computer, nowhere.
      Sometimes there are still guys with good knowledge, with a desire to work, with a sparkle in their eyes ... but they also have to be trained on the spot.
      And in general, it is necessary to remove the exam system to hell.
      1. stroporez
        stroporez 22 July 2013 15: 13 New
        0
        in our rehabilitation center, 7th grade cubs do not know the multiplication table. oral counting skills --- zero. spoke with teachers ---- "this is not our task ..." PPTs ......--- - WHOSE !!!! ????? Mot Schaub get literate students, first bring the school into a human form !! ????????
    2. Rakti-kali
      Rakti-kali 22 July 2013 23: 34 New
      0
      Quote: IRBIS
      There is one more "pitfall". This is the level of knowledge of current graduates. There are categories of young people who, with their brains, have not passed a single exam and test, this was done by the wallets of their parents.

      That's the trouble ... And to expel for poor academic performance ... but what is there to expel, put a mark on the exam - and that is impossible, for a mark on the exam, especially if the student studies on a budget (yes ... for ineffective spending of budgetary funds for the dean will have a wick ... and such an incident will happen before accreditation ...) the dean flares an emergency exit to any teacher so that in the future the desire to adequately assess the students' knowledge disappears completely.
  10. mak210
    mak210 22 July 2013 09: 59 New
    +1
    For some reason, it does not surprise anyone that a doctor is allowed to see real patients only after an internship. What about an engineer? Immediately you can start to fasten the sensors to the Proton? Universities give a general education without the specifics of this production.

    The second question: where to get those very enterprises for distribution? Knowing our deputies, we can assume that they will begin to pull money from enterprises. Then who will take them? Or they will give such a salary that the graduate will live for 3 years, collecting scraps near garbage containers.

    And the level of our graduates is not much worse than ours.
    1. alicante11
      alicante11 22 July 2013 12: 57 New
      +2
      When training an engineer, he is entitled to practice in production. When I was training, I was supposed to take a locksmith practice in the second year, then 4 of the understudy trip, to be handed over to the assistant driver. In the third year - a month to work as an understudy master workshop. After the 4 course, duplicate at the workplace where you are going to work. What happened in real life. After the second course, I ran around looking for where to get practice. Found, worked for free in the TO-3 workshop as a locksmith. Then 4 take-off trips - 2 overnight and two day, received a locksmith of the 3-th category and handed over to the assistant locomotive driver. And other state employees were given the opportunity to pass on an assistant driver after the 2-day understudy trips, and indeed the exam was free, like, from the institute, what to take from you. In the third year we went to practice in Komsomolsk. We were very happy to see us there. They said that you don’t get confused under your feet, collect material for the course, here you have all the seals and bring down nafig. After the 4 course, they didn’t know where to send me at all, because no one knew where we were going to go, the state employee. As a result, I again looked for practice myself.
      In general, why am I. First, as they teach, such and specialists. But actually, if there is a great desire to learn and perseverance (which I did not have enough), then you can learn now.
  11. shurup
    shurup 22 July 2013 10: 31 New
    +2
    It is necessary to distribute to Belarus - there are vacancies, conditions and a casino. And Belarusians to distribute to Russia - there is more salary and more work.
    But geniuses and thieves do not need distribution and are not unemployed.
  12. ed65b
    ed65b 22 July 2013 10: 32 New
    +1
    But how can a young specialist gain experience if they do not work in their specialty? It is easier to have university graduates working in their specialty, even on whom. the company has a tax incentive or deduction there are no incentives, you can even load it with a tax (come up). private trader in a swoop will begin to rake young specialists. there is only a problem in specialists whether they want to work in the specialty 80 percent study simply for the sake of a diploma. In our country, even sellers with a tower.
  13. Regis
    Regis 22 July 2013 10: 57 New
    0
    Well, I don’t know, in my opinion the whole system of higher education for techies needs to be changed. Now the students are those. specialties are taught a bunch of useless humanitarian disciplines. You need to leave only the most necessary of them: Russian, English and history. And in the free time, introduce the possibility of obtaining working specialties, while already at the university, with additional practice in production.
  14. Gato
    Gato 22 July 2013 11: 00 New
    +1
    A few words about what system existed in the USSR for the training of military-industrial complex personnel.
    I entered the instrument-making department of the Kiev Polytechnic Institute. Practically from the very beginning, we already knew where graduates of our specialties were assigned - these are Arsenal and NPO Kvant (many probably remember how serious these were). Already from the second year, we practiced practice in those departments where the distribution was planned. That is, their bosses did not take "pigs in a poke", and by the time of our diploma we were already practically "our own" in teams and even had some work experience, especially since the employees of the "employer" taught the specialty in our senior courses.
    The system was worked out and effective, therefore the results were corresponding. Such a scheme can not always and not everywhere be used - but it would be possible.
  15. vladsolo56
    vladsolo56 22 July 2013 11: 02 New
    +2
    There is one more nuance, in Soviet times, graduates were distributed throughout the union, and almost all went to their destinations. Now, if someone from Moscow is sent to Siberia, I doubt that the young specialist will go there. and since most universities are concentrated in big cities, there will be very few people who want to go to the periphery, especially public sector employees, since the most talented students
    1. Gato
      Gato 22 July 2013 12: 29 New
      0
      Quote: vladsolo56
      and almost everyone went in their directions

      Then there was still a residence permit. Getting a job without local registration or distribution was quite difficult.
      1. alicante11
        alicante11 22 July 2013 13: 09 New
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        It still exists. And many people do not take to work without registration. But "then" in this version they gave a hostel with a residence permit.
  16. fartfraer
    fartfraer 22 July 2013 11: 11 New
    +1
    A small question to all supporters of "immediate distribution" - why now people after graduation do not want to go to work in their specialty?
    1. Sea snake
      Sea snake 22 July 2013 12: 01 New
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      Quote: fartfraer
      ... why now people after graduation do not want to go to work in their specialty?

      Because they knowingly, a priori, came to study only "behind a crust" about higher education. Anyhow, any, and there ... as a curve will deduce.
      But most graduates simply have nowhere to work. There are no enterprises, no agriculture. Where should the "techie" go if we don't have factories ... the machines are either scrapped or sold to the Chinese ... yes, yes, the Chinese have bought up a huge fleet of excellent Soviet machine tools and are now building their military might with the help of them.
      1. alicante11
        alicante11 22 July 2013 13: 13 New
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        I don’t know about techies at all. But on the railway - BAM, Sovgavan branch, Tynda branch about Blagoveshchensk. work - I do not want. And the salary is decent. And housing is provided. There are dorms everywhere. But, again, in places that are fertile people are not pulling something. Departure in the forest - several paths and arrows, the building of the dispatcher, a boiler room and a five-story building for workers. Boring, see ...
  17. grafrozow
    grafrozow 22 July 2013 11: 30 New
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    The author did not address the problem of the number of universities, the number of students. Has anyone tried to calculate how many and in what specialties are required specialists? I think if you close half of the universities now, it will not get worse. In the former GDR there was such a system-vocational school-technical school, etc. e. yesterday’s schoolchild couldn’t go to the university right away. Yes, more time is required to study, but they are training real specialists. A person understands that this is his business and is studying further. I have a daughter-in-law who has two higher-ped and legal, as I studied, it’s better not to Now he works as a hairdresser, but with two diplomas, why do we need such specialists? The distribution problem will disappear by itself, since a person at his enterprise grows-a worker, a master, a shop manager ... Doctors and teachers do not fit here, here without distribution no matter how, but they need to create conditions so that the distribution does not turn into a link. There are many problems, we need to solve them, it’s good that we realized it.
  18. Goldmitro
    Goldmitro 22 July 2013 11: 42 New
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    It is clear that the "weak point" of all university graduates, which creates problems in employment, is the lack of experience. Therefore, it is not only expedient but also NECESSARY for the State, as a CUSTOMER, preparing specialists for itself, based on its needs, to provide
    a graduate - a state employee with employment (this is a separate and not a simple issue) to get him this necessary experience, which can be considered as the final stage of training, allowing him to graduate a full-fledged specialist already ready for work. Naturally, a state graduate will be OBLIGED to work in his specialty for a certain period, justifying, "returning" in this way the funds spent by the state on his education. Thus, this will enable the state, to a large extent, to retain the specialists whom it trains at its own expense, and not to prepare them for the "uncle", as it is now, while the state lacks them. Applicants who have paid for their studies at the university, of course, can, after graduation, find a job at their discretion. The introduction of such a system in universities will allow applicants to choose a profession more consciously, to know that upon graduation they will be guaranteed employment, and the number of those wishing to receive free "crusts" on higher education will decrease, i.e. the process of obtaining higher education in Russia will be OPTIMIZED, as liberals like to say!
  19. 6216390
    6216390 22 July 2013 11: 42 New
    +1
    Quote: Volodin Alexey
    ... already now seek ways of constructive dialogue with private entrepreneurs in various industries that could recruit graduates of Russian universities.

    Quote: grafrozow
    There are a lot of problems, it is necessary to solve them, it’s good that we realized it.

    These issues need to be addressed at the state level and faster, but the simple people, judging by the comments, see and understand everything, but can’t do anything, and the officials, on whom everything depends, don’t see, do not understand and don’t really want them solve. request
  20. Turkish Granite
    Turkish Granite 22 July 2013 11: 43 New
    +2
    The distribution of graduates is an excellent reason for the state to return to certain areas of activity, for example, agriculture. By spraying on some subsidies that clearly do not reach the addressee, it is possible to create agricultural associations that are partially or fully controlled by local administrations and are also partially or fully financed from the state budget, where to distribute the mentioned graduates of agricultural academies that are not so so little in the country, the same with light industry. I do not offer a full return to collective farms and state farms, I offer state-owned enterprises on the ground, functioning along with private ones and competing with them, also offering jobs to the population as well as farms, but reporting to state authorities. True, the question is also whether our state needs it.
    1. valokordin
      valokordin 22 July 2013 12: 03 New
      +2
      Quote: Granit
      True, the question is also whether our state needs it.

      Our state does not need this, then what does our state need?
  21. valokordin
    valokordin 22 July 2013 12: 01 New
    +1
    All doubts have a place for existence, but who will train, instruct, make real specialists out of schoolchildren. The bourgeoisie needs a ready experienced specialist here and now. Again, the problem is this ugly social and political system, ruthless, cruel, disgusting.
    1. Gomunkul
      Gomunkul 22 July 2013 12: 28 New
      -1
      That's right, noticed. Only with a developed social system and a planned economy, we can talk about the return of the distribution of not only university graduates, but also other educational institutions. hi
      1. grafrozow
        grafrozow 22 July 2013 16: 26 New
        -1
        The planned economy-workshop of the left gloves competes with the workshop of the right gloves, who is more?
    2. grafrozow
      grafrozow 22 July 2013 16: 22 New
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      You didn’t say what kind of system, planned or according to your needs? [Quote = valokordin] Again, the problem is an ugly social and political system, ruthless, cruel, disgusting. [Bubem walk with naked z.o.p ... y and scream, that we are ahead of everyone?
      1. Gomunkul
        Gomunkul 22 July 2013 17: 14 New
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        You did not say what system, planned or according to needs? [

        Only with a developed social system

        Like I wrote about this above?
        1. grafrozow
          grafrozow 22 July 2013 18: 29 New
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          Thanks for the answer, but the question was to Valocordin. hi
  22. morpogr
    morpogr 22 July 2013 13: 05 New
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    The initiative is good, only an addition is necessary, for example, if the distribution is agreed, enter into a contract for 3 or 5 years with a workplace where you can register the responsibilities of the parties, the employee working conditions and living conditions, and the employer the work front. For example, a month ago you had to go with a child to the clinic of an ENT doctor to record in grade 1. We went to the clinic, the doctor quit, called another, with whom she combined more and more newer, no, and said that now there are nowhere in our areas, but this is Lublin, Kuzminki, Ryazan. I came in on weekends and this is in Moscow where a bunch of medical institutes and a salary of 35000 thousand from a novice doctor information from a neighbor, she’s an accountant there + bonuses and don’t go go to paid medicine.
  23. Xmypp
    Xmypp 22 July 2013 13: 29 New
    +1
    Quote: fartfraer

    Well, to summarize, few people will go to study for such a profession, after receiving which you will be sent to the "hole" to live on a "penny"

    Hmm .. You have some kind of disease about the "holes". But you know, if you take the "holes" that are at the city-forming enterprises involved in the transportation and production of gas, oil production, energy, etc., then, in your words, only robots should work there. Because of such thoughts, young specialists do not go to small towns and villages, but sit at the parents' feeding trough.
    I’ll also tell you a secret that the majority of specialists (technical specialties) are taken to head offices (Gazprom, Lukoil, etc.) from production facilities from “holes”, because there the specialist gains experience in practice.
    PS: Although who am I, who went after studying from Yekaterinburg to the “hole”, your city will be more.

    “Up to 64%
    graduates are forced to settle on
    work not on the received specialty.
    This suggests that the costs
    federal budget for training
    most Russian students
    ineffective. "- this suggests that we have 10 graduates, 9 humanities and 1 techie.
    1. grafrozow
      grafrozow 22 July 2013 16: 38 New
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      Quote: Xmypp
      This suggests that the costs
      federal budget for training
      most Russian students
      ineffective. "- this suggests that we have 10 graduates, 9 humanities and 1 techie.

      Not in the eyebrow, but in the eye, the official statistics of lawyers and accountants 7 times !!! more than required. / V.S. Vysotsky - there is no way for dentists, they ask for too much, and where to find all the teeth, here is unemployment. /
      1. Rakti-kali
        Rakti-kali 22 July 2013 23: 44 New
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        Quote: grafrozow
        lawyers and accountants 7 times !!! more than required.

        And who was counting by what method?
  24. My address
    My address 22 July 2013 15: 24 New
    +1
    And I just have a wild (or not?) Assumption that most of us in the government have just completed paid tuition.
  25. Enot-poloskun
    Enot-poloskun 22 July 2013 15: 47 New
    +4
    I see another problem.

    What does a young man want in most cases?

    Answer: housing and money. Wishes are laudable.

    And what does the current young man want?

    Especially do not strain.

    So what will interest him?

    That's right - economics, management, etc. Therefore, now for one good specialist there are five to ten heads (officials, economists, lawyers and other managers).

    I will give an example from the agricultural sector in which I work.

    The head of a good livestock complex (dairy, poultry, etc.) is ready to pay 50-100 thousand rubles to a good livestock specialist. with a social package. Because the profit of the economy depends on a good specialist. Which can reach hundreds of millions and billions of rubles. The numbers are real.

    What do we see? Competition for zootechnical specialties in agricultural universities - below the plinth.

    Well, most of the "Pepsi generation" does not want to work in a mine, in a foundry, in a barnyard or a poultry house. Because you need to work.

    And even 50 thousand do not lure. Interesting - the manager. Shifting papers, collecting visas, and trending over the phone (preferably with the latest iPhone model).


    My opinion is that no distribution of graduates will help if they do not have respect for Labor. To "working" specialties. I put the word "workers" in quotation marks, because this is not only work at the machine is meant, but also work in medicine, education, agriculture.

    Where to work hard.
    1. grafrozow
      grafrozow 22 July 2013 16: 48 New
      +2
      Quote: Enot-poloskun
      I will give an example from the agricultural sector in which I work.

      The head of a good livestock complex (dairy, poultry, etc.) is ready to pay 50-100 thousand rubles to a good livestock specialist. with a social package. Because the profit of the economy depends on a good specialist. Which can reach hundreds of millions and billions of rubles. The numbers are real.
      So after all, the responsibility is real, let it be a case, who will be asked? And so, “Tongue to make noise is not to shed blood.” It is better to shift papers.
  26. tomich
    tomich 22 July 2013 16: 58 New
    +2
    But what nowadays? And the fact that state enterprises, of course, remained, but their percentage in comparison with private ones is truly insignificant

    HAHAHA, but what about GAZPROM-PEOPLE'S PROPERTY, ROSNEFT, VTB, SBERBANK, RAO UES and so can be long promoted.
    The author of the article apparently confused the Russian economy with some other country. All large enterprises have long been under the control of officials or puppet oligarchs. Try to get a job at Gazprom. They won't even let you on the doorstep! And private enterprises in Russia are markets, minibuses, workshops for the manufacture of keys and other junk, shops of the so-called "walking distance" which will soon also be bent under the pressure of the lobby in the State Duma of the Russian Federation of large retail chains. Is the author going to employ university graduates there? The problem of youth employment should not be confused with the complete absence of a social lift system in the country!
    1. piterkras
      piterkras 22 July 2013 17: 56 New
      -1
      Used to free budget places in universities? Por finish this state almshouse. And if you want to study, then be kind enough to work out or lay out the entire amount spent by the state. But in general, we have capitalism, and free education must be abolished long ago.
      1. Rakti-kali
        Rakti-kali 22 July 2013 23: 51 New
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        Quote: piterkras
        But in general, we have capitalism, and free education must be abolished long ago.

        Do taxes also cancel? But it somehow turns out illogical - I pay taxes, including for education, and should I pay for the education of my children again? This is the first question. And here is the second - even if you are smart and talented three times, but not rich - does anyone need a nafik?
        And the third - and doesn’t it seem to you that with the point of view that you profess, we will live in dugouts and dress in skins even without the third world war and a nuclear apocalypse?
    2. grafrozow
      grafrozow 22 July 2013 18: 52 New
      +1
      Vyacheslav, today Gazprom "PTTiST NadymGazPromDobycha" needs a 5-6r engine repair mechanic, an auto electrician 5-6r, a coppersmith 5-6r ... 8 rub. Not everything is so simple. Small business is being strangled, the kiosks near the house have been removed, there are still supermarkets and there prices are 22000 rubles for bread, 1480000 rubles for eggs. No comments.
    3. Setrac
      Setrac 22 July 2013 22: 48 New
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      Quote: tomich
      Try to settle in Gazprom.

      Ordinary workers can get ANYWHERE. Well, a broad-gauge lawyer-economist, but who needs them.
  27. svoboda1970
    svoboda1970 22 July 2013 17: 12 New
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    To want, this same employer, most likely, will require any preferences for himself and running his business.


    You can, of course, dance from another stove: set up a variant of the repressive machine for those private employers who refuse to participate in the program for providing graduates with jobs.


    You need to combine the useful with the pleasant. Carrot and stick ... Or vice versa ...
  28. Hamul
    Hamul 22 July 2013 18: 09 New
    +3
    It seems to me from my bell tower that the initiative is solid - but in the wrong country it will be implemented.

    To begin with, how many state universities do we have? Weight

    How many graduates of graduates are even more.

    Who is going to work by profession of the total number - 5% - the rest are in shopping centers.
    How much will go to high positions in the budget - 2-3% - of which who can work from 0.05 to 0,5%

    What is the percentage increase in corruption schemes for getting to more or less normal positions - 350%

    In addition, you need to understand:
    - that business has long been teaching rare specialists for itself
    - that the country lacks almost completely industry
    - that in the country the workers who are required for the remaining industry have practically died out directly
    - that in the country an indicator of the number of universities is not a dignity
    - that the country is almost one continuous market, with rare intersperses of industrial enterprises that were not destroyed by some miracle
    -that in our country there are a lot of lawyers and economists
    - that there is a single, state-wide dbiloid test in the country that has been thoroughly corrupt for a long time
    etc. etc.
  29. xxxMYSTICxxx
    xxxMYSTICxxx 22 July 2013 20: 14 New
    +2
    There are a few things to do:
    1) to do a full analysis of the situation with the really necessary vacancies, otherwise we have an 1 manager and lawyer engineer being issued at 10;
    2) restore the system prof. technical education (a country needs a blue collar rather than a white collar);
    3) to allocate budget places priority to the most demanded by the economy positions, and the rest should be transferred mainly to the commercial part;
    4) introduce a system of distribution of budgetary positions for enterprises with mandatory mining of 3-5 years, and if a person does not want to work on distribution, then he must pay for his education with installments of years in 15 (pay the minimum a couple of years, and distribute the main part, say from the 5 year, when a person has already stood up and can pay without problems);
    5) to increase the students' scholarships for the funds received (work for a piece of bread and a bed-place in the hostel at night harms the educational process), as well as invest in the adaptation of "distributed" students in places of new work (lift, housing, etc.) ;
    6) to send students by distribution to all regions of the country, mainly to Siberia and the Far East.
    1. grafrozow
      grafrozow 23 July 2013 04: 16 New
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      Quote: xxxMYSTICxxx
      (work for a piece of bread and a bed in a hostel at night harms the educational process

      And who will unload the cars? I don’t know how now, but in my time-1980-1984 it saved us.
      1. xxxMYSTICxxx
        xxxMYSTICxxx 23 July 2013 07: 52 New
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        Quote: grafrozow
        And who will unload the cars? I don’t know how now, but in my time-1980-1984 it saved us.

        The fact of the matter is that gifted, but not rich students have to survive, when you think about how to eat and how not to lose a roof over your head, then knowledge is somehow more difficult to acquire. I understand that now the remarks will begin ala "temper character" and the like, with which I myself agree in parts, but this is not correct and it should not be so. The work of a student is, first of all, study, and the task of the state is to give equal opportunities to anyone, regardless of whether you were born on Rublevka or in a village near Uryupinsk. If a person is talented, then he needs to be supported, and not left to fend for themselves. Always the same talents / geniuses were mainly in the outback, recall the same Lomonosov. So my opinion is that it is worth focusing the state's attention on supporting such "Lomonosovs", giving them a start in life, and not making them survive in the pursuit of a roof over their heads and a crumb of bread. It is necessary to pay for education by the winner of Olympiads, various scientific competitions, contests, in short, those who strive for something from childhood, and the rest ultimately have to either return the money for their studies in installments or work for a couple of years in those places where it is needed by his country ... I'm not talking about commercial students - they are free to do whatever they want.
      2. xxxMYSTICxxx
        xxxMYSTICxxx 23 July 2013 07: 52 New
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        Quote: grafrozow
        And who will unload the cars? I don’t know how now, but in my time-1980-1984 it saved us.

        The fact of the matter is that gifted, but not rich students have to survive, when you think about how to eat and how not to lose a roof over your head, then knowledge is somehow more difficult to acquire. I understand that now the remarks will begin ala "temper character" and the like, with which I myself agree in parts, but this is not correct and it should not be so. The work of a student is, first of all, study, and the task of the state is to give equal opportunities to anyone, regardless of whether you were born on Rublevka or in a village near Uryupinsk. If a person is talented, then he needs to be supported, and not left to fend for themselves. Always the same talents / geniuses were mainly in the outback, recall the same Lomonosov. So my opinion is that it is worth focusing the state's attention on supporting such "Lomonosovs", giving them a start in life, and not making them survive in the pursuit of a roof over their heads and a crumb of bread. It is necessary to pay for education by the winner of Olympiads, various scientific competitions, contests, in short, those who strive for something from childhood, and the rest ultimately have to either return the money for their studies in installments or work for a couple of years in those places where it is needed by his country ... I'm not talking about commercial students - they are free to do whatever they want.
  30. 128mgb
    128mgb 22 July 2013 21: 45 New
    -1
    Quote: fartfraer
    anticipating your possible accusations against me personally of "liberasty" in the end, these people do not learn from slaves.

    It is necessary to live while remaining free, the same thing as a remaining slave. We are all slaves. Slaves habits of money desires. By and large, everything. Therefore, he worked his way, in Tmutarakan and is free. He repaid his debt to the state and is free. Go wherever you want even to the homeless even to the presidency.
  31. vadson
    vadson 22 July 2013 21: 52 New
    +2
    I don’t know, I didn’t read all the comments, I don’t have time, but I want to say one thing. What kind of tax breaks can we talk about if 90% of large and the majority of medium-sized businesses are in offshore? give them 6% for simplicity ?, and why the hell is that for them. for this it is necessary that taxes in Russia are taxed and not in Cyprus, Hong Kong, the Caribbean, Lithuania. when they realize that home is sweeter then it will be good
  32. Enot-poloskun
    Enot-poloskun 22 July 2013 21: 53 New
    +1
    I agree! Then you need to teach a person from childhood, from school, to be responsible for their own affairs!

    And then we form a psychology: "if you screw it up - we will otmazh, if financial flows go where they should!"

    Quote: grafrozow
    So after all, the responsibility is real, let it be a case, who will be asked? And so, “Tongue to make noise is not to shed blood.” It is better to shift papers.
  33. xxxMYSTICxxx
    xxxMYSTICxxx 22 July 2013 23: 32 New
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    this year in Russia there are about 1 million graduates, while the Ministry of Education approved 527 536 budget places. With an average cost of training of the order of 100 thousand rubles. per year, and training with us lasts, as you know, for 5 years, the figure runs at not less than ~ 1,3 trillion rubles (provided that the number of budget places remains the same during 5 years). If you put these funds into subsidies for graduates in distribution, housing, as well as to pay for tuition and grants for really gifted children who want to study, and not spend stupidly 5 years of life, then you can achieve a lot and put things in order in the education system and economy countries (in industries where it is really important).
  34. p-159
    p-159 22 July 2013 23: 36 New
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    option: if distribution, then it should be on a contractual basis .t, e. by order of the department, enterprises give an application for the expected number of graduates based on which they are recruited for one or another specialty (in one specialty they teach several specializations, the choice occurs after the 3rd year) with a margin of 20% because the dropout rate, these students are still learners undergo practical training at the place where they can get. Accordingly, under the contract they must do this and that, if the conditions are not met then the contract is terminated. Students don’t go to many sectors of the national economy, not because they don’t want to, but because there are no places, an ordered system of specialists. I come to us, we are ready to teach but there is no staff, since the budget does not provide for such a number of people.
  35. SergBrNord
    SergBrNord 25 July 2013 16: 10 New
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    Comrades. You are rubbish here. If you want to know how the distribution works in conditions as close as possible to yours, ask around with bulbs. And believe me, none of this good happened ...