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Caution, "doctors"!

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Publication of my article "What does not warn the Ministry of Health"Caused a great resonance: reposts, letters, calls ... It turns out that the topic of abortions worries many of our fellow citizens, most of those who responded fully support the initiation of a legislative ban on this essentially child-murder. The most active opponents of abortion are young people, which, I confess, surprised me. This instills hope that in our country everything is not as terrible as our geopolitical enemies try to instill in our offensive large-scale information war. Young is our future. And the triumph of common sense and the desire of the nation for self-preservation is our salvation!


Margarita Podgorodova examined the problem of abortion from a slightly different angle, namely, from the position of a killer doctor, who, like the executioner, revels in her bloody work and, perhaps without realizing it, turns into a serial maniac from medicine. At a time when he kills unborn babies, his soul inevitably dies ...
This material, which was sent by Margaret, we place today. I am interested in your opinion, to condemn or still regret abortmakherov and whether you agree with the author of the article in his answer to the question: do these doctors have the right to be called a doctor?


Caution, "doctors"!In this article, we raise a very relevant topic, the topic of safety of medical institutions. Agree, it concerns absolutely everyone. First, let's fantasize a bit. Here, imagine, you live in medieval times, suppose, 13 th century. How would you feel if you had to remove a tooth from ... an inquisitor's executioner? No, no, he would not torture and burn you at the stake, he would simply remove your aching tooth. But how will he do it if he's used to killing? Tell me frankly, would you go to him? The author of this article, clearly, would not go.

And now we will return to our realities. Unfortunately, even today, the aforesaid situation has not changed, just few people make such comparisons. In the vast majority of gynecological departments of maternity hospitals, antenatal clinics, multi-disciplinary private and municipal clinics, in addition to providing treatment and obstetric aid, abortions are practiced, that is, artificially terminating a pregnancy for up to 12 weeks of pregnancy, which is possible for medical or social reasons and for later . And, if you translate all this into Russian without medical cunning, then infanticide is performed in gynecological departments, for up to 12 weeks of pregnancy, which is possible for medical or social reasons and at a later date. Let us call a spade a spade, without blinking like blind kittens. Of course, not all patients go to hospitals and private clinics to have an abortion. Not at all! After all, these institutions offer a full range of gynecology treatment services, just like the executioner we represented above. Do you agree? And the author also agrees, And maybe even worse. After all, the executioner didn’t hide his “craft,” unlike modern doctors, hiding behind crafty terminology, representing abortion, as an ordinary medical operation.

There is another point in this problem, which is very little talked about. The fact is that a doctor practicing abortions is no longer a doctor, because a doctor, by definition, is called upon to save a life and heal a person, to restore his health. And the doctor who performs abortions performs exactly the opposite actions. He is ruining the life of one person and crippling the health of another (after all, today everyone knows how harmful an abortion affects a woman’s health). His personality is destroyed, degraded. No matter how he deceives himself by suggesting to himself and others that he “helps women”, by making abortions, he cannot stop this terrible process. Once having broken the line of moral prohibition to kill, he becomes a different person, a person capable of cruelty, of breaking the law.

And, by no means, you should not think that the doctor who performs abortions does not know what he is doing. No, it is not. He has no ignorance that could to some extent relieve him from responsibility.

He understands what he is doing. After all, who, no matter how doctors know that human life begins at the moment of conception.

Moreover, talking with abortions, observing their behavior, comes the understanding that many of them are experiencing real pleasure, a kind of euphoria, from an abortion procedure. Let us turn to the article by Yulia Sysoeva, in which she talks about the following case: “Once I watched a terrible scene in the abortion clinic. The gynecologist did a late-term salt abortion. Puncturing the fetal bladder and lowering the amniotic fluid, she began to fill the uterus with saline solution, which was supposed to cause artificial preterm labor. At such a period of movement of the child is already clearly fixed with the naked eye. When saline was allowed into the uterus, the child being killed was swept so that his mother's stomach ... jumped and walked with a shake. The doctor, seeing this, voluptuously smirked, saying literally the following: "Look, it feels like he is being killed as he jumped, but nothing left for him for a long time to jump." At the same time, her face expressed such euphoria, which even if desired, cannot be hidden. Her face was written unearthly pleasure ", - that this, no matter how real pleasure from the killing. The delight of a sadistic maniac who, simply, can no longer kill. By the way, it is known that the Inquisition executioners also received unspeakable pleasure from what they did. This can be read in the documentary. historical literature.

It is also interesting to consider the fact that doctors who have done more than ten abortions in a shift do not get tired of their “work” at all, but, on the contrary, are experiencing a surge of strength and good mood. But when the same doctors came to take delivery, their faces had such an expression, as if they were forced to do unbearable hard labor.

Doctors who do abortions really start loving their work in abortion clinics and hating childbirth. And again we refer to a quote from an article by Yulia Sysoeva: “Once I had a chance to talk with a gynecologist, who, having come to faith, repented of her sins. Here is what she told me: “I loved to do abortions. At first, I did not fully understand why I love it. It seemed to me that I love medicine and this is my vocation. I was engaged not only in abortions, I also treated women: I removed fibroids, cysts, did a cesarean section, stopped uterine bleeding and saved life. But, working in gynecology, I caught myself thinking that I love to do abortions most of all. I felt like I was resting on them, as if I was gaining strength. ”. Although, according to this doctor himself, she understood perfectly well that abortion is murder. She drowned out the voice of conscience with various arguments usually advocated by abortionists.

There is a process of complete destruction of the morality of such a doctor. But you just have to cross this line once ... And then the human psyche adapts and adapts to the realities of his life. Especially when colleagues are doing the same. Thus, gradually what obviously criminally becomes quite acceptable for such a doctor. Who knows what crimes such a person would be capable of. And in what circumstances? An example is the real story from Andrei Malakhov’s program “Let They Talk,” in which the conversation was about a doctor who practices abortion, who knocked a person to death. The emphasis in the transfer was placed on the perpetrator's attitude to the crime - this attitude was cynical and indifferent.

Think about whether you want to seek help from such a "doctor"? For real help, of course. But the doctor works in a particular medical institution. And we see that the clinic, a practitioner of abortion, as a rule, is capable of deceiving its patients (after all, not a single woman, with rare exceptions, will agree to have an abortion if she receives all the information about him, and doctors simply keep silent about such information ), and in violation of the laws of the country.

Not to be unfounded, we present the following facts. It will be about the well-known, offering its patients various types of abortion, a clinic of a wide profile in the Republic of Tatarstan “Alan Clinics”.

So, in the summer of 2012, on the eve of the next picket "Alan Clinic" by activists of the public movement, a person who called himself the director of the clinic contacted the organizer of the picket. In the conversation, he was very requested to cancel the picket. Moreover, having learned that the only reason for the picket is abortion, which is practiced by Alan Clinics, he promised to curtail abortion surgery at the clinic.

But! The clinic not only did not stop abortions, but also placed an advertisement for abortion in the Kazan metro station, which is prohibited by law. Activists of the struggle for life movement immediately took action. Here is one of them: “An application has been submitted to the FAS and the answer has already been received about the commencement of the administrative investigation. There is an experience of interaction with the FAS, as a result of which the activity of one abortion is already suspended ... ”. This refers to the abortion clinic of the city of Kazan on Chistopolskaya Street called “Medical Center for Surgical Cosmetology and Rehabilitation”. This center also advertised abortion services in ways prohibited by law. After receiving a response from the FAS "Medical Center for Surgical Cosmetology and Rehabilitation", located along Chistopolskaya Street, it was closed "for repair". Medical center "Alan Clinic" faces a fine of up to 4 million rubles.

And, at the end of this article, we return to its main topic. I remember the well-known law of the market, which says that demand creates supply. There will be no demand for the services of the executioner - there will be no executioner.

And there is an alternative! Refusal of services of unprincipled doctors does not mean refusal of qualified medical care.
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  1. Hleb
    Hleb 22 July 2013 06: 25 New
    +1
    it is clear that the topic is very serious, but why present in such colors?
    Once having transgressed the moral prohibition to kill, he becomes another person, a person capable of cruelty, violation of the law
    many of them experience real pleasure, a kind of euphoria, from the abortion procedure
    .... voluptuously smirked: “Look, he feels that he is being killed, as he jumped, but nothing, he only has a short time to jump” ...
    Doctors doing abortions really start to love their abortion work and hate giving birth
    all doctors under one template ..

    it is also not by chance that she mentioned
    who, having come to faith, repented of her sins.

    can competition? what is the result of the article:
    And there is an alternative! Refusal of services of unprincipled doctors does not mean refusal of qualified medical care
    refusal not to have abortions ... there are simply doctors who will do it expertly
    1. Svobodny
      Svobodny 22 July 2013 07: 52 New
      +6
      Quote: Gleb
      why present in such paints

      Then, to reach us already, finally: you can’t kill children!
      We need to change the situation, we can no longer put up with the status of a country holding the 1st PLACE IN THE WORLD in terms of the number of abortions. Here is a vote FOR THE PROHIBITION OF ABORTION: https://www.roi.ru/poll/petition/naselenie_i_migratciya/zapret-abortov-na-territ
      orii-rossii /
      1. Aleksys2
        Aleksys2 22 July 2013 08: 59 New
        +7
        Quote: Svobodny
        Then, to reach us already, finally: you can’t kill children!

        And what do the doctors have to do with it?
        In the first trimester of pregnancy (up to 12 weeks), the main indication for abortion is the desire of a woman. The desire of a woman! This problem must be solved on the other hand, by the woman! Abortion is the end, and it all starts with education, with culture, with the understanding of what is possible and what is not. Do doctors push women to have sex, and then persuade them to have an abortion? Not! This woman, after a flight, is looking for doctors! So what do doctors have to do with it? And then, if doctors are prohibited from abortion, then there will be no less women who want to have an abortion, they will do it clandestinely, and not necessarily doctors. Every year in the world of 500 thousand women of childbearing age dying from pregnancy-related causes, 15% of cases are mortality due to complications of unsafe abortion.
        1. Svobodny
          Svobodny 22 July 2013 09: 23 New
          +7
          As a result of abortions, Russia annually loses the population of such a city as Omsk or such an area as Lipetsk (more than 1, 2 million). And this is only official statistics ...

          In the first trimester of pregnancy (up to 12 weeks), the main indication for abortion is the desire of a woman

          That's it! Abortion - there is a KILL, regardless of the term. Therefore, a categorical criminal prohibition of abortion in any form and at any time is needed. Of course, there will be clandestine events, but we also have clandestine drug traffickers and casinos. This is not a reason to legitimize heroin or turn a country into Las Vegas!
          1. Aleksys2
            Aleksys2 22 July 2013 09: 38 New
            +5
            Quote: Svobodny
            Abortion - there is a KILL, regardless of the term.

            This is not for doctors !! This is for women who want them to have an abortion.
            Нужен не "категорический уголовный запрет аборта в любой его форме и на любом сроке", а правильное воспитание подрастающего поколения. Тем более есть еще аборты и по медицинским показаниям (смерть плода, внематочная беременность), а как быть если женщина забеременела в результате изнасилования?
            1. Svobodny
              Svobodny 22 July 2013 09: 45 New
              +8
              О правильном воспитании - согласен. Ребенок ведь знает, что воровать нельзя, убивать нельзя, колоться нельзя. Почему знает? - Потому что это неприемлемо в обществе. Запрещено законом. А тут - хочу "избавлюсь", хочу - "оставлю".
              So far, judging by the intensity of the discussion, the obvious things that are good and that are bad have to be proved not only to children, but also to adults.

              Tell me, what is the difference between abortion and same-sex marriage? - Both things are so unnatural that it would seem that you do not need to prove the need for their ban! Ah no ...
            2. Kahlan amnell
              22 July 2013 11: 54 New
              +3
              ... became pregnant as a result of rape?

              Is the child guilty of this? So, under his knife?
              Or is it one (or several scum) who is unable and does not have the right to be called a man?
              How many years, Motherhood was etched from us. And how many years has fatherhood been etched from you. It was etched by all means. Not everyone resisted and did not fall into the abyss, many are still balancing on the edge. And do not push these unfortunates, but you need to pull away from the edge of the chasm.

              A mother woman is the mother of a child, but a male father is the guardian and protector of both the child and the mother woman.
              Be proud, men, with the highest honor - to be the Father!
              Be proud, women, with high glory - to be a Mother!
              Be proud and be strong so that the human race does not run out.
          2. NUT
            NUT 22 July 2013 15: 15 New
            +2
            Quote: Svobodny
            As a result of abortions, Russia annually loses the population of such a city as Omsk or such an area as Lipetsk (more than 1, 2 million).
            Everything is as written:
            "...у нас не будет следов. Сократить деторождение хотя бы наполовину - это уничтожить в год 2 -3 миллиона русских без всяких физических затрат. Не надо печей, патронов,могил. И нет следов. Не родился. И нет виноватых..."
            Minakhen Mendel Schneerson

            Maybe all our troubles come from the fact that we are praying to the wrong god:
            "29. И всякий, кто оставит домы, или братьев, или
            sisters, or father, or mother, or wife, or children,
            or land, for the sake of My name, will receive a hundredfold
            и наследует жизнь вечную."
            Bible, New Testament, “The Gospel of Matthew”

            After all, from time immemorial, our Great Ancestors taught and warned us:

            "Да не убиенно будет чадо во чреве матери, ибо кто убьёт чадо во чреве, навлечёт на себя гнев Бога-Творца Единого…"
            Commandments of God the Svarog
            "Да не отречётся дщерь Божия от долга пред Родом и не отречётся от рождения чад сверх Долга пред Родом... Ежели коия Матерь отречётся от чада своего, в муках рождённого, то не обрящет она покоя в Душе своей, ни в Мире Яви, ни в Мире Нави..."
            The Commandments of the Virgin Mary
            "Священный Долг каждого мужчины из Родов Расы Великой и потомков Рода Небесного — породить сыновей, дабы стали они продолжателями Древних Великих Родов...
            Великий Долг каждого мужчины из Родов Расы Великой — породить дочерей, ибо им надлежит рождать детей для продолжения Древних Великих Родов."
            The Commandments of Ladaad
            "Помните, люди Родов Расы Великой, что богатство и процветание древних Родов ваших изначально заключено в малых чадах ваших, коих вам надлежит воспитать в любви, благости и трудолюбии."
            STREAM STORDS

            It seems that there is only one path left for the Russian People:
            "Вернитесь к корням своим и вы откроите врата в Божественный Мир."
            The Commandments of God Ramat
            1. Trapperxnumx
              Trapperxnumx 23 July 2013 09: 24 New
              0
              Something went wrong. Orthodoxy always categorically opposes abortion! And do not interfere in one heap of Schneerson and Christ. Otherwise, get virtual slap from me.
            2. aviamed90
              aviamed90 23 July 2013 11: 32 New
              0
              Walnut

              If you decide to write us a sermon, then take the trouble to quote from the Qur'an, Talmud and other holy books of various religions.

              Russia, as you know, is a multiconfessional country.
          3. aviamed90
            aviamed90 22 July 2013 18: 53 New
            -2
            Svobodny

            Quote:
            "В результате абортов Россия ежегодно лишается населения..."

            Yes. Deprived.

            And what does the state do to prevent this from happening? Pays child benefits, raises the standard of living of the population, develops health care, nurtures the system of childhood and motherhood, builds kindergartens and schools?

            So maybe the main killer is not a doctor or a woman at all? And someone else?

            Quote:
            "Поэтому нужен категорический уголовный запрет аборта в любой его форме и на любом сроке."

            What do you always want to force someone to something?
            We seem to have a free country for now (at least so declared).
            Do you want to ask a woman? Just find out - what is her opinion?
            1. Svobodny
              Svobodny 23 July 2013 08: 47 New
              +3
              Quote: aviamed90
              We seem to have a free country for now (at least so declared).
              Do you want to ask a woman? Just find out - what is her opinion?

              Here again. Talk about freedom of choice, freedom of conscience, measures of social support, accusations against the state ... Democracy!

              aviamed90, "мнение" относительно правомерности детоубийства может быть каким угодно, это никак не отменяет его сути. А суть его - страшный грех, который пытаются обелить, сказать, что, мол, это права человека такие! Вы понимаете, ЧТО происходит?

              In many countries, gay marriage has been legalized, stating that sodomy is a variant of the norm. In our country, some in the foam at the mouth prove that killing their own offspring is also an option!

              I frankly do not understand how a Russian patriot can support abortions ?! This is unthinkable guile.
              1. aviamed90
                aviamed90 23 July 2013 11: 18 New
                0
                Svobodny

                Yes. I think I understand what is happening.

                Quote:
                "Вот опять. Разговоры о свободе выбора, свободе совести, мерах социальной поддержки, обвинения в адрес государства..."

                What do you think? We are not in the barn, where the issue of increasing the dumb livestock is being decided, so that we can slaughter it for meat!

                The state is trying to get into the personal life of citizens and, moreover, into their bed.

                It is not enough that they pay taxes and are law-abiding.
                The state needs total control! Instead of stimulating demographic processes in the right direction, it intervenes where it is not asked and where its intervention directly through laws is often simply harmful.

                Государство кричит "рожайте", "запретим аборты"! Но при этом ничего не делает для стимулирования роста населения.

                И этот "материнский капитал" в пересчёте на то, что оно ОБЯЗАНО делать ПО КОНСТИТУЦИИ для решения этой проблемы - капля в море! Это своеобразная и неудачная попытка компенсации детских садов и яслей, приличных детских пособий, родильных домов и школ, решения жилищной проблемы, качества медобслуживания и т.д.

                Spouses themselves are able to decide whether abortion is needed or not, and in what cases. And this does not need a state. This is their life and their destiny. And their sins. Do not meddle in someone else's life! They then live with it, and not you!

                And if it is a mortal sin, then this sin lies with a woman and a man. This is their decision! And to answer for him! What does the state have to do with it? And what have the doctors to do with it?

                Your quote:
                "...убийство собственного потомства - также вариант нормы!"

                Nobody says that. Including me.
                But stupidly forbid something - this is not a solution to the problem!
                Look at the enforcement of the law banning smoking or selling and drinking alcohol in public places! What are their results?
                ZERO!
                People really don't like it when they are ordered something. Especially when they have no right to it! And you don't like that either, do you? Why do you propose to resolve this issue in an orderly manner? Because YOU is not concerned? It is not ordered to you?

                The state is trying to solve the issue for a woman: to give birth or not to give birth! After all, this is IDIOTISM!

                Your quote:
                "Это же немыслимое лукавство."

                Yes. You're right! This is unthinkable guile! Only from the state!

                And before it has the right to demand something, it must solve the above problems and ask citizens for their opinion. We do not exist for the sake of the state, but just the opposite! Is not it?

                Your quote:
                "..."мнение" относительно правомерности детоубийства может быть каким угодно..."

                So you think the woman who made the abortion is a killer?
                And why is the state leading bloody wars poisoning its citizens with GMOs and chemistry, not monitoring the environment, etc. don't you consider a killer? After all, does it kill people? Including already born children!

                Do you think that smoking, alcohol, and abortion do more harm and reduce the population than the state’s domestic policy regarding it? Moreover, smoking, alcohol, and abortion were encouraged for many years. And now suddenly it has crossed and dawned !? Indeed, until now it has been encouraging these things with its actions within the country (explicitly or implicitly).
                And if something is forbidden, then the opinion of the citizen is not taken into account. He is confronted with a fact.

                And do not consider a woman unreasonable cattle. A kind of obedient sow! THIS IS NOT TRUE!
                She also has everything that there are men (except for one well-known thing). Including the right to decide whether to give birth or not.

                After all, it’s not YOU giving birth, but IT! And then YOU will not raise these children, but HER.
        2. Svobodny
          Svobodny 22 July 2013 09: 30 New
          +7
          Quote: Aleksys2
          15% of deaths from complications of unsafe abortion


          А что, есть ещё и "безопасные" аборты? ))) Это изначально противоестественная манипуляция, столь же невозможная, как и ампутация здоровой конечности, к примеру.

          500 thousand is just the tip of the iceberg ... And how many women remain barren, get cancer, go crazy ... In general, abortion has nothing to do with medicine. What does a woman treat ??? - She kills not only the child, but herself.
          1. Aleksys2
            Aleksys2 22 July 2013 09: 43 New
            +3
            Quote: Svobodny
            What does a woman treat ??? - She kills not only the child, but herself.

            Here are the women and educate, but no doctors. I imagined a picture, gynecologists running around the city, catching women, dragging them to the abotary and making them an abortion, and the women scream and fight back. Do not put the problem upside down.
            1. Svobodny
              Svobodny 22 July 2013 09: 49 New
              +6
              Quote: Aleksys2
              Do not put the problem upside down.

              Конечно, у нас ведь демократия: есть "услуга". Женщина ПРАВО ИМЕЕТ. А ещё СВОБОДУ выбора, СВОБОДУ совести... Знакомые слова...
              1. desertfox
                desertfox 22 July 2013 10: 32 New
                0
                Svobodny, consider the situation: the girl was raped by a drunk Tajik, she became pregnant, she wants to have an abortion, what should she do?
                1. Svobodny
                  Svobodny 22 July 2013 11: 36 New
                  0
                  Quote: desertfox
                  Svobodny, consider the situation: the girl was raped by a drunk Tajik, she became pregnant, she wants to have an abortion, what should she do?

                  Упаси, Господь! С пьяным таджиком (зимбабвийцем, чилийцем или русским) всё ясно - нелюдь должен ответить по закону. А причём здесь здоровье девочки и жизнь невинного дитя?! По милости Божией, ребёнок может стать замечательным человеком. Какая разница, кто его биологический "отец"?
                  1. Aleksys2
                    Aleksys2 22 July 2013 11: 39 New
                    +4
                    Quote: Svobodny
                    По милости Божией, ребёнок может стать замечательным человеком. Какая разница, кто его биологический "отец"?

                    For a raped girl, who is the biological father is very important. I doubt that the expectant mother will treat such a child as well as a child conceived of love.
                  2. desertfox
                    desertfox 22 July 2013 14: 21 New
                    +3
                    I mean,
                    Quote: Svobodny
                    ... we need a definitive criminal ban on abortion in any form and at any time. ...
                    это не избавит от проблем, которые сподвигают девушек на совершение аборта. Более того, такой запрет инициирует появление "подпольных абортариев", со всеми вытекающими последствиями(нет условий, квалификации, в результате смерть, бесплодие), ведь спрос рождает предложение.
                    Treat the cause and not the symptoms.

                    ps Inhuman did not answer.
                2. alicante11
                  alicante11 22 July 2013 14: 13 New
                  +3
                  Svobodny, consider the situation: the girl was raped by a drunk Tajik, she became pregnant, she wants to have an abortion, what should she do?


                  If it’s absolutely unbearable, it can refuse in the hospital.
            2. gladiatorakz
              gladiatorakz 22 July 2013 11: 01 New
              -3
              Quote: Aleksys2
              Here are women and educate, and doctors do not need

              Do you think it is useless to educate doctors? Cynicism and conceit are the main trait of a doctor. In extreme time. And there should be love for people, compassion and sympathy. So do not blame medical guilt or let part of the blame on others. A doctor is not tweezers or an enema, but a person endowed with moral and spiritual principles. Butchers don't need this.
              1. Aleksys2
                Aleksys2 22 July 2013 11: 41 New
                -1
                Quote: gladiatorakz
                So do not blame medical guilt or let part of the blame on others.

                Is abortion the result of medical guilt?
                1. gladiatorakz
                  gladiatorakz 22 July 2013 13: 14 New
                  -5
                  Quote: Aleksys2
                  Is abortion the result of medical guilt?

                  And the doctor too. Doctors also worked in concentration camps. Yes, they slapped them. And they did it right.
                  1. MG42
                    MG42 22 July 2013 14: 47 New
                    +3
                    Quote: gladiatorakz
                    Is abortion the result of medical guilt?
                    And the doctor too. Doctors also worked in concentration camps. Do you think it is useless to educate doctors? Cynicism and conceit - the main feature of the doctor

                    Well and comparisons belay My doctor’s wife is good for people. And you minus. Run into the blade on the hind legs with acute pain such as cut appendicitis. There is nothing to cut all under one comb.
                    Назовите ещё <мясником> хирурга и анестезиолога перед операцией.. wassat
                    1. gladiatorakz
                      gladiatorakz 23 July 2013 10: 26 New
                      -1
                      Quote: MG42
                      Well and comparisons

                      It is a normal comparison. This is because your doctor is nowhere to blame. Everyone makes his own moral choices.
                      Quote: MG42
                      My wife, a doctor, brings good to people

                      Success and good luck to such people.
                      Quote: MG42
                      There is nothing to cut all under one comb.

                      We are discussing a specific topic: the ethics of abortion. Medical morality is one of the components of this problem. No need to distort my words or read in them what you would like.
                      Quote: MG42
                      Run into the blade on the hind legs with acute pain for example cut appendicitis

                      Here it is your position in life. Do not equal everyone on your own.
                      1. MG42
                        MG42 23 July 2013 12: 19 New
                        +1
                        Да в общем не о чем с вами говорить, ттх <собеседника> для вас не важны, сразу видно задушевника самоуверенного..
                        Quote: gladiatorakz
                        Success and good luck to such people

                        Thank you.
                        Quote: gladiatorakz
                        We are discussing a specific topic: the ethics of abortion.

                        and so you dragged doctors in concentration camps
                        Quote: gladiatorakz
                        Here it is your position in life. Do not equal everyone on your own.

                        Yes, you don’t understand nichrome, or there is very little life experience, there is no health today, and for example with kidney colic you won’t go to a dance .. goodbye amigo! hi
                      2. gladiatorakz
                        gladiatorakz 23 July 2013 13: 17 New
                        -2
                        Quote: MG42
                        Yes, in general, nothing to talk about with you

                        So why talk?
                        Quote: MG42
                        you can immediately see the self-confident soulmaker ..

                        You haven’t seen such people yet. Classifier.
                        Quote: MG42
                        so you dragged doctors in concentration camps

                        In the investigation, none of them pleaded guilty. Everyone was to blame, but not them.
                        Quote: MG42
                        or very little life experience,

                        Experience is always not enough. Therefore, I will say yes to me not enough of the experience that I have. And I constantly replenish it. In a variety of areas.
                        Quote: MG42
                        health today eat tomorrow no

                        Только это не значит, что кто то будет пресмыкаться перед врачами. Кстати ваш пример про "задние лапки" косвенно доказывает отношение к людям.
                        Quote: MG42
                        .gudby amigo!

                        Your amigos in the ravine mare eat up. Demonstrate your frivolity and slackness in communication with strangers in the doorways. Among mine.
            3. Hleb
              Hleb 22 July 2013 13: 33 New
              +1
              Cynicism and conceit - the main feature of the doctor
              - Summarizing, you have offended thousands of decent people, doctors who died in wars, saved lives in different conditions ... is it nice to hear about the landing party as a drunken redneck after August 2? Maybe you didn’t hear about Ukrainians after May 9 in Lviv?
              1. gladiatorakz
                gladiatorakz 23 July 2013 10: 36 New
                -1
                Quote: Gleb
                summarizing now you have offended and thousands of decent people, doctors who died in wars, saved lives in different conditions

                And where did you see in my comments that I summarized all the doctors? I have no such habit. There are different people in any professional community. Because - This is a slice of our sick society. At least doctors, cops, military, firefighters. Each group has its own professional psychological differentiation. Hence, your humor, slang, outlook on life. And there are development trends, vectors. Either we are moving for the better, or for the worse. A stable state does not exist. So here. Who and how enters medical institutes? (%) The number of people studying for free and studying in order to be good to people (and not to themselves) is decreasing. I know a lot of doctors. They are different. Deterioration trends. And do not read in my comments any reason to tragically wring your hands.
          2. alicante11
            alicante11 22 July 2013 14: 11 New
            +1
            Here are the women and educate, but there is no need for doctors.


            Both women and doctors.
      2. Trapperxnumx
        Trapperxnumx 22 July 2013 10: 39 New
        +5
        Quote: Aleksys2
        This woman, after a flight, is looking for doctors! So what do doctors have to do with it? And then, if doctors are prohibited from abortion, then there will be no less women who want to have an abortion, they will do it clandestinely, and not necessarily doctors. Every year in the world of 500 thousand women of childbearing age dying from pregnancy-related causes, 15% of cases are mortality due to complications of unsafe abortion.

        Простите, но Ваши доводы напоминают рассуждения американцев, которые жалеют бедных афганских крестьян и поэтому не препятствуют им выращивать наркоту. То, что нашим девушкам/женщинам толком не разъясняют вред от аборта - это тоже последствия той однобокости в "свободе слова". Будет запрет - будет и объяснение этого запрета.
        1. Aleksys2
          Aleksys2 22 July 2013 12: 30 New
          -7
          Quote: Trapper7
          The fact that our girls / women are not clearly explained the harm from abortion

          And what is the harm from abortion?
          1. Trapperxnumx
            Trapperxnumx 22 July 2013 13: 17 New
            +7
            Quote: Aleksys2
            And what is the harm from abortion?

            How what? Even Soviet reference books describe this harm in sufficient detail. The worst option is death (this is an operation, right?), The less weak is infertility. Well, a bunch of related effects on the body. Or do you think that having an abortion is like going to a hairdresser? In general, the pregnancy process itself is very complex. A huge number of changes occur in the body. And its violent interruption causes extreme trauma to the female body.
            1. Aleksys2
              Aleksys2 22 July 2013 13: 43 New
              -1
              Quote: Trapper7
              The worst option is death (this is an operation, right?), The less weak is infertility. Well, a bunch of related effects on the body.

              Это все осложнения операции по преждевременному прерыванию беременности. Женщинам которые приходят на аборт - это все разъясняется должным образом. Но РЕШЕНИЕ о прерывании беременности принимает ЖЕНЩИНА а не врач. Врач в данном случае должен провести необходимые манипуляции качественно и надлежащим усердием. Почему требуют запретить аборты и применить уголовное наказание только к врачам именуя их убийцами? А женщина которая решилась сделать аборт белая и пушистая? Это врачи виноваты, что она "залетела"? Это врачи виноваты, что она решила сделать аборт? Вон сколько людей гибнет в ДТП, давайте запретим автомобили! Еще раз повторюсь, проблему абортов Вы начали решать не с того конца.
      3. gladiatorakz
        gladiatorakz 22 July 2013 10: 52 New
        -1
        Quote: Aleksys2
        And what do the doctors have to do with it?
        In the first trimester of pregnancy (up to 12 weeks), the main indication for abortion is the desire of a woman.

        A doctor should not have moral principles? Meat processing plant. The customer came, asking to kill her child. Well, if asked, drag it here. And after the murder, you can sit, discuss the customer. How cruel she is (to kill her child!) And not brought up (oh, it’s necessary to educate!). But the doctor just has such a job. He brings good and light to people.
      4. alicante11
        alicante11 22 July 2013 14: 08 New
        +4
        And what do the doctors have to do with it?


        If doctors refuse to have an abortion, there will be no abortion. And she will look for problems for herself, so is her personal choice. But the child, the embryo has no such choice.
    2. Hleb
      Hleb 22 July 2013 09: 26 New
      -8
      Then, to reach us already, finally: you can’t kill children!
      ну вот вы на свой счет и принимайте эти статьи,может дойдет от прочтения и ВЫ перестанете убивать детей(и все бабы враз перестанут,когда прочитают это ),а я их не убивал и моя тетя гинеколог уважаемый человек,а не то что пишет автор-"конкурент" частных клиник:“Look, he feels that they are killing him as he jumped, but nothing, he only has a short time to jump” ...
      we had a chance. Another schoolmate and girlfriend flew over to school. They were naturally afraid of telling parents and what they learned. They gave an injection to a girl. They put horses and cows on farms to cause a miscarriage. The girl almost moved her horses, as she survived .. and who is to blame for this? gynecologist or is it still a problem that the author missed?
      Free name your profession?
      1. Svobodny
        Svobodny 22 July 2013 09: 33 New
        +5
        Quote: Gleb
        you are on your own account and accept these articles

        You said stupidity.
        Best regards
        1. Hleb
          Hleb 22 July 2013 09: 39 New
          -4
          of course in front of everyone changing shoes is clever))
          Did I write this?
          Then, to reach us already, finally: you can’t kill children!
          1. Svobodny
            Svobodny 22 July 2013 09: 56 New
            +3
            Quote: Gleb
            Did I write this?


            Вы - нет. Это мои слова:"Затем, чтобы дошло до нас уже, наконец: убивать детей нельзя!"

            This is my answer to your question.
            Quote: Gleb
            "понятно что тема очень серьезная,но зачем в таких красках преподносить?"
            set by you in the first comment on the article.
      2. Svobodny
        Svobodny 22 July 2013 09: 39 New
        -2
        Quote: Gleb
        Free name your profession

        I am a philologist
        1. Hleb
          Hleb 22 July 2013 09: 46 New
          -3
          после ваших кренделей с подменой цитат и выводов-"охотно верю"))
    3. velikoros-xnumx
      velikoros-xnumx 22 July 2013 10: 42 New
      +4
      I support. In my opinion, only two cases are permissible in which a similar operation can be carried out - a threat to the life of a pregnant woman for medical contraindications, a clearly unnatural development of the fetus with serious deviations (genetic, etc.). In all other cases, the only verdict is to give birth. Do not need a child, then leave in the hospital, adoptive parents bring up or at worst the state. In general, the state needs to seriously deal with this problem in the form of financial support for large families, single mothers, propaganda of a large family, and so on.
    4. MG42
      MG42 22 July 2013 14: 28 New
      +1
      Quote: Svobodny
      Then, to reach us already, finally: you can’t kill children!

      And if she became pregnant from a rapist = still give birth? If the mother is an addict? = the child will turn out with deviations in health and psyche .. Fertilize the pupils of the houses? and if a disabled person from birth is only a lifelong burden either on the family budget or on the state, if the parents abandon the child .. Abortions officially authorized for medical reasons in the event of a threat to the life of the mother, deformities that threaten the fetus, and rape
    5. Ivan.
      Ivan. 22 July 2013 14: 29 New
      -1
      Quote: Svobodny
      . Voting abolition ban is held here

      Ссылка ведёт на "госуслуги" - любое сотрудничество, начиная с авторизации через снилс(цифровое имя человека) является одобрением и узакониванием ФЗ210 и согласия на перевод обязательств государства в сферу УСЛУГ, с последующей передачей в эффективные руки.
    6. does it
      does it 22 July 2013 15: 29 New
      0
      Quote: Svobodny
      We need to change the situation, we can no longer put up with the status of a country occupying the 1st PLACE IN THE WORLD by quantity

      To do this, it is necessary to make people feel their social security in the future.
      1. Svobodny
        Svobodny 22 July 2013 22: 17 New
        +1
        Quote: kvirit
        social security

        "Социальная защищенность". Что это?
  2. Svobodny
    Svobodny 22 July 2013 09: 37 New
    +1
    Quote: Gleb
    there are doctors who will do it expertly

    Unfortunately, there are still professional executioners in the country. With one hand they save one child, with the other they kill the second. Hellish hypocrisy.
    1. Hleb
      Hleb 22 July 2013 09: 41 New
      -3
      there are doctors who will do it expertly

      this is the answer to the quote of this madame-author. I only showed the result of her article
      1. Svobodny
        Svobodny 22 July 2013 09: 52 New
        +4
        Quote: Gleb
        her articles

        The article is really not very. We will not write off the inexperience of a journalist. But this is the cry of her caring soul!

        By the way, we are discussing the problem itself, without going over to the individual.
        1. Hleb
          Hleb 22 July 2013 13: 37 New
          +1
          what problem? in the article I saw an insult to all the doctors. can you get personal? find an inexperienced.
          And there is an alternative! Refusal of services of unprincipled doctors does not mean refusal of qualified medical care
      2. Svobodny
        Svobodny 22 July 2013 09: 58 New
        0
        Quote: Gleb
        this is a response to a quote from this madame author

        And I, in turn, commented on your answer smile
    2. MG42
      MG42 22 July 2013 16: 12 New
      +2
      Quote: Svobodny
      there are doctors who will do it expertly
      Unfortunately, there are still professional executioners in the country. Hellish hypocrisy.

      And here the doctors are all the more qualified? belay If the mother is a drug addict, an alcoholic proffi ?, the pregnancy is developing incorrectly, an ectopic pregnancy?
  3. Hleb
    Hleb 22 July 2013 15: 04 New
    0
    if you dig around interesting points you can find

    mortality from the prohibition of abortion
  • valokordin
    valokordin 22 July 2013 06: 26 New
    +5
    The current doctor will do anything for money, and this is an artificial birth at 7 months and a refusal to have a cesarean section at 10 months of pregnancy due to late payment (the child died from infection). Under the Soviet regime, he saw a refusal to do an emergency operation of burst appendicitis in Georgia, before the amount paid by the relatives of the sick. Previously, this was in Georgia, Azerbaijan, Stavropol and Krasnodar Territories. In the center of Russia was not observed. And now, you have insurance anyway pay. They did the operation to a relative (took away the lung) presenting the policy and paid 55 thousand rubles more. They say that without insurance it would have cost more than 100 thousand. Hippocratic oath is already a bluff. The money vow is valid. They say doctors pay little, perhaps, but they drive foreign cars for millions. I received 50 thousand. I managed to buy myself only a Niva. I felt the difference.
    1. Hleb
      Hleb 22 July 2013 06: 28 New
      0
      but can not be generalized?
    2. Aleksys2
      Aleksys2 22 July 2013 09: 01 New
      0
      Quote: valokordin
      Under the Soviet regime, he saw a refusal to make an emergency operation of burst appendicitis in Georgia, before the amount was paid by the relatives of the sick person.

      This could not be!
      1. cosmos111
        cosmos111 22 July 2013 09: 48 New
        0
        Quote: Aleksys2

        And there is an alternative! Refusal of services of unprincipled doctors does not mean refusal of qualified medical care.

        Refusing unprincipled doctors and doctors extorting money from the population is simply necessary.
        But where to get other highly qualified and principled doctors.
        author Margarita Podgorodova, a lady probably lives either in Moscow or in a big city. Every doctor in our area counts. And they constantly run up somewhere. (Young people coming from a medical institute every year get dumber and dumber) treatment of people should not be allowed. At the reception do not bump into 70-80 people. the poultry girl stood in such a stampede almost died. Here you have both Shakespeare and nephews. It does not matter what happens in the Russian province.
      2. valokordin
        valokordin 22 July 2013 11: 46 New
        0
        Quote: Aleksys2
        Quote: valokordin
        Under the Soviet regime, he saw a refusal to make an emergency operation of burst appendicitis in Georgia, before the amount was paid by the relatives of the sick person.

        This could not be!

        It could, it could have seen, they waited all day until the relatives brought the money. By evening, they had surgery for 2 hours, cleaned the belly, and nearly died. But saved.
        1. Aleksys2
          Aleksys2 22 July 2013 12: 27 New
          0
          And in what year was it?
      3. gladiatorakz
        gladiatorakz 22 July 2013 13: 18 New
        -1
        Quote: Aleksys2
        This could not be!

        I have a friend - a dog bit the Afghan. while his second friend was taking him to the hospital, he lost a lot of blood. They brought and .. Doctors did not examine him until they brought the money. I was not there, but I believe both unconditionally.
        1. Aleksys2
          Aleksys2 22 July 2013 13: 44 New
          0
          Quote: gladiatorakz
          I was not there, but I believe both unconditionally.

          In what year and where was it?
          1. gladiatorakz
            gladiatorakz 22 July 2013 17: 26 New
            -1
            Quote: Aleksys2
            In what year and where was it?

            5 years ago. In the Zaporizhzhya region.
            1. Aleksys2
              Aleksys2 22 July 2013 18: 05 New
              0
              Quote: gladiatorakz
              5 years ago. In the Zaporizhzhya region.

              But not with:
              Quote: valokordin
              Under the Soviet regime, he saw a refusal to make an emergency operation of burst appendicitis in Georgia, before the amount was paid by the relatives of the sick person.

              In Soviet times, this could not be, for the jurisdiction. But after the operation, a gift to accept, it was, you can not erase the words from the song.
        2. sergey32
          sergey32 22 July 2013 14: 23 New
          +1
          In 2000, in the Crimea, a boat moved me into the sea, the reaction worked, I managed to dive, I saved my head, but my foot was twisted with a screw into stuffing from heel to w. Swam out, they didn’t sew up me in the hospital, until the culprit ran for the money.
        3. MG42
          MG42 22 July 2013 14: 51 New
          0
          Quote: gladiatorakz
          Doctors did not examine him until they brought money. I was not there, but I believe both unconditionally

          Stop lying am >> осматривают всех при ургентных сосотояних БЕСПЛАТНО на Украине.. медикаменты придётся купить..
          1. gladiatorakz
            gladiatorakz 22 July 2013 17: 35 New
            0
            Quote: MG42
            Stop lying

            In a personal conversation, after such words, the interlocutor’s teeth are usually clucked.
            Quote: MG42
            examine everyone at urgent conditions for FREE in Ukraine .. you have to buy medicines ..

            A year ago, he brought a guy from an accident at night. A stranger. He was examined yes. But I bought the medicine for him. Including bandages, gloves and other crap that the doctors had. Four years ago. Call at night. A friend was hospitalized with three stabs. I arrived myself. He asked me to bring money to the doctors. He brought it. I can recall dozens of such stories. But why? He does not know about this, only he who does not want to see it.
            1. MG42
              MG42 22 July 2013 17: 42 New
              0
              Quote: gladiatorakz
              In a personal conversation, after such words, the interlocutor’s teeth are usually clucked.

              It depends on which interlocutor ..
              Quote: gladiatorakz
              A year ago, he brought a guy from an accident at night. A stranger. He was examined yes. But I bought drugs for him. Including bandages, gloves and other crap that the doctors had.

              Well, they examined it, why did you write that you didn’t examine it without money, you think everything here is so far from the medical topic that you can hang noodles ..
              An ambulance had to be taken = less problems at admission ..
              1. gladiatorakz
                gladiatorakz 22 July 2013 17: 48 New
                -2
                Quote: MG42
                It depends on which interlocutor ..

                TTX interlocutor for me is not important.

                Quote: MG42
                Well, they examined it, why did you write that you didn’t examine it without money, you think everything here is so far from the medical topic that you can hang noodles ..

                We examined on one occasion, on the other not. Read carefully. If you do not have time to read, I can write more slowly.
                1. MG42
                  MG42 22 July 2013 17: 57 New
                  +2
                  Quote: gladiatorakz
                  If you do not have time to read, I can write more slowly.

                  Do not bother writing about doctors, I have the primary sources bully
                  Quote: gladiatorakz
                  Comrade went to the hospital with three knife. I arrived myself. He asked me to bring money to the doctors.

                  With a knife, what kind of money for gloves and bandages, there’s just the need to connect cops as well ..
                  Quote: gladiatorakz
                  We examined on one occasion, on the other there

                  Yes in all cases inspect for free otherwise the complaint to the head doctor is guaranteed
    3. Misantrop
      Misantrop 22 July 2013 10: 26 New
      0
      Quote: valokordin
      The Hippocratic Oath is already a bluff.

      Не знаю, насколько это достоверно (встречал в художественной литературе), что в довоенной Германии врач, принося клятву, в том числе обещал и "не лечить пациентов бесплатно, дабы не лишать своих коллег пропитания"... what
  • domokl
    domokl 22 July 2013 06: 29 New
    +3
    Abortion is evil. This is an indisputable fact. I think no one will say that it’s good. But show me a woman who at least once did not have an abortion. Maybe she is somewhere. Just let's be honest, a normal woman with normal instincts (including including maternal) just does not go for an abortion.
    In the same way, about doctors. Surgeons also feel the joy of a successful operation. And they also do not distribute pills.
    In my opinion, the article is too opposed to be objective.
    1. Hleb
      Hleb 22 July 2013 06: 31 New
      -3
      .....exactly!
    2. sergey32
      sergey32 22 July 2013 07: 13 New
      11
      Yes, many did not have abortions. For example, my wife and I did not kill children.
      1. gladiatorakz
        gladiatorakz 22 July 2013 11: 07 New
        +2
        Quote: sergey32
        Yes, many did not have abortions. For example, my wife and I did not kill children.
        Well done! How many kids do you have?
        1. sergey32
          sergey32 22 July 2013 11: 41 New
          +4
          Four, like you.
          1. gladiatorakz
            gladiatorakz 22 July 2013 13: 27 New
            0
            Quote: sergey32
            Four, like you.
            good This is happiness! And only childless people can protect abortions, probably.
      2. velikoros-xnumx
        velikoros-xnumx 22 July 2013 14: 39 New
        +2
        Similarly. My wife and I on this subject have a full understanding and principle - I became pregnant, give birth. It doesn’t matter on time or not on time, it’s difficult or easy. People who go on an abortion with the words why should poverty be born, thereby justify themselves, but what is better to kill your own child? stop
    3. Ezhaak
      Ezhaak 22 July 2013 12: 29 New
      +2
      Quote: domokl
      .But show me a woman who at least once did not have an abortion

      Sasha, no problem. Come to visit me. Not only show, but introduce. With two, at least.
  • Refund_SSSR
    Refund_SSSR 22 July 2013 06: 38 New
    0
    And, at the end of this article, we return to its main topic. I remember the well-known law of the market, which says that demand creates supply. There will be no demand for the services of the executioner - there will be no executioner.

    And there is an alternative! Refusal of services of unprincipled doctors does not mean refusal of qualified medical care.

    По мнению автора, необходимо отказаться от врачей, которые делают аборты "беспринципно" и обратиться к врачам которые делают аборты "принципиально"???
    1. velikoros-xnumx
      velikoros-xnumx 22 July 2013 14: 44 New
      +1
      Yes, I agree the ending of the article is not very. The conclusion crosses out the whole point of what is written.
  • Alexei
    Alexei 22 July 2013 06: 40 New
    +2
    If the social atmosphere was better, then the abortion would be many times less. Now there are fewer abortions than 20 years ago. They are made mainly from the fact that the child, in addition to an incomprehensible and unsecured life, has nothing to give. And it seems to me that if people knew in advance which opa would wait in the nineties, then in the 80's there would be no surge in fertility.
    1. sergo0000
      sergo0000 22 July 2013 07: 32 New
      +3
      Quote: Alexej
      If the social atmosphere was better, then the abortion would be many times less. Now there are fewer abortions than 20 years ago. They are made mainly from the fact that the child, in addition to an incomprehensible and unsecured life, has nothing to give. And it seems to me that if people knew in advance which opa would wait in the nineties, then in the 80's there would be no surge in fertility.

      Far from the fact that personal well-being guarantees a surge in fertility! No. Посмотрите на наших ,далеко не бедных,"звёзд" в шоу-бизнесе-помногу ли у них детей!?Максимум один-два.
      In the nineties, in the far from poor Europe, people were in no hurry with children. And at the moment she is threatened with extinction. And the Americans !?
      Paradoxical as it may seem, the statistics are different. In third world countries and poorer populations, birth rates just exceed all reasonable norms! Although what is the norm for gentlemen, people no longer know. request
      1. Alexei
        Alexei 22 July 2013 09: 28 New
        +2
        Quote: sergo0000
        .In third world countries and poorer populations, the birth rate just surpasses all reasonable norms!

        Это от необразованности. У нас алкаши тоже вон поддерживают рождаемость. Я имел в виду средний рабочий класс, которые на кредитах да на ипотеках сидят, они могут себе позволить одного-двух детей, но это мало. Необходимо сделать соц поддержку. Ведь сейчас ребенок это "головняк", прошу прощения за выражение, детей я люблю (у самого дочка), но одной любви ребенку недостаточно.
        1. sergo0000
          sergo0000 22 July 2013 10: 47 New
          +3
          Quote: Alexej
          Ведь сейчас ребенок это "головняк", прошу прощения за выражение, детей я люблю (у самого дочка), но одной любви ребенку недостаточно.

          Congratulations! drinks It's nice to talk to an accomplished person!
          And as for the love of the child, I do not agree with you. No. I have recently also had four. Three daughters and a boy. I also had a bank loan on me (and still hangs) smile So when it became known about the wife’s pregnancy, even the thought didn’t arise about abortion. Although the loan was considerable. The brain simply turned on the search for another extra job. And you know, everything turned out perfectly. I found a job as a manager at the same bank where and took a loan! wink Why am I saying this? I’m more likely an unbeliever, even though baptized, but with every passing year I am convinced that there is God on earth.
          Так вот у русских есть пословица-"Если Бог дал ребёнка,то и хлеб даст ему".По моему пословица верная. hi
          ps And yet. I will never forget that feeling of delight and tenderness when I pick up the baby for the first time. People! Do not have an abortion!
          Then you will bitterly regret it. God will not forgive and well-being to the detriment of the child’s life will not bring you happiness! Believe me. When the baby is born you will be ashamed that you even thought about it!
          1. Alexei
            Alexei 22 July 2013 10: 58 New
            +3
            Quote: sergo0000
            It's nice to talk to an accomplished person!

            Thank you, but I will consider myself successful when there is still a son. wink
            1. sergo0000
              sergo0000 22 July 2013 12: 14 New
              0
              What are our years! wink drinks
  • George
    George 22 July 2013 06: 45 New
    +1
    Horror article about maniac doctors.
    And, at the end of this article, we return to its main topic. I remember the well-known law of the market, which says that demand creates supply. There will be no demand for the services of the executioner - there will be no executioner.

    It was necessary to begin with this. In order for there to be no demand, you need a doctor who will return women’s brains from the side to one side.
  • FC SKIF
    FC SKIF 22 July 2013 07: 07 New
    +6
    What nasty doctors we have, ay-ay-ay. Only for some reason about the MASSIVE lack of morality in the wife (and their men) does not stutter. This is a question of supply and demand.
  • Kahlan amnell
    22 July 2013 07: 39 New
    +5
    If the article is weak (we write off Margarita’s inexperience), then the fact of this will not cease to be a fact: Abortion is the murder of a child! Helpless and defenseless baby!
    Just thinking about it will terrify any person.
    And if someone is not horrified by this, is it a person? ...
  • Revolver
    Revolver 22 July 2013 08: 28 New
    0
    Oh, do not meddle in this matter. In America, this topic is so painful that people on this basis went crazy and went to shoot gynecologists. And they did kill! And a lot of voters evaluate candidates for elected office on the basis of pro-life or pro-choice, and do not give a damn about everything else that this candidate offers or does not offer. Well, no matter how this topic is called - and hot potato (hot potatoes - did you try to bake at the stake? Is it so hot), and live wire (live wire), and still do not remember how. Politics exploiting this topic are among the most recent things, along with political correctness, in which we should take an example from America.
    My personal opinion is that the decision on abortion, however terrible it should be, should be between a woman, a doctor, and God, and the government should not go into it. But what follows is to create conditions so that parents want to have children.
  • lewerlin53rus
    lewerlin53rus 22 July 2013 08: 34 New
    +2
    I recall the well-known law of the market, which states that demand creates supply.

    In fact of the matter. There will be no qualified help in medical institutions, they will go to healers, who will kill not only children, but also their mothers. Just a blunt prohibition will not achieve anything good. But raising the standard of living so that people can and would like to raise children, propaganda of the inhumanity of abortion, moral and spiritual education - this is necessary
    1. sergo0000
      sergo0000 22 July 2013 12: 21 New
      +2
      Quote: lewerlin53rus
      But raising the standard of living so that people can and would like to raise children,

      Sorry, but I never understood this and do not want to understand! For whom do you finally give birth!? For yourself or the state !?
      Quote: lewerlin53rus
      propaganda of the inhumane abortion, moral and spiritual education - this is necessary

      But I agree with this. Still, a simple person needs stability. As if this word is not declined in a creative society. Yes. Now, I need it so that I can plan something. We don’t need revolutions, but power and people in her, together and choose the necessary ones over time and send them for re-education if something happens!
      1. lewerlin53rus
        lewerlin53rus 22 July 2013 12: 28 New
        0
        Quote: sergo0000
        For whom do you finally give birth!? For yourself or the state !?

        We give birth to ourselves. But the state also has some social obligations to its citizens. Therefore, many families do not have children precisely because of fear of financial difficulties and social insecurity.
        1. lewerlin53rus
          lewerlin53rus 22 July 2013 13: 52 New
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          Bykov, do you disagree with the fact that the state is obliged to observe its social obligations to citizens? Or are you just a worthless minus signer?
          1. Hleb
            Hleb 22 July 2013 13: 56 New
            +1
            the site has the ability to evaluate comments. the rating of comments is closed. how can a person (Bykov) be fired in the subject? then show all the pros and cons for objectivity
        2. sergo0000
          sergo0000 22 July 2013 14: 31 New
          +1
          Well, tell me, what are the obligations to citizens of China!? And the poorly educated, most of the communist Chinese society can not be called!
          Maybe it’s all the same in ourselves!? Maybe we want to change cars every 3-4 years, than to raise and spend on another child?! Maybe we want to look richer and more successful in the eyes of our neighbors!? This is called pride and is considered a sin. Obligations The state itself needs the state to take the child out of the family and send him to defend the constitutional order in the army at a time determined by law. So then the authorities would not be so ashamed to look into the eyes of the draftee’s parents, if God forbid what happens to me! For me, the smaller the state taking care of my child is the better. And the proper upbringing given by me personally will not allow the child to be discharged from service! There have never been any deviators in Russia to defend the borders of the Motherland. And an illustrative example is the father’s guarantee!
  • Fregate
    Fregate 22 July 2013 09: 09 New
    0
    Still would introduce criminal liability for abandonment of children. Tough, but fair.
  • Armata
    Armata 22 July 2013 09: 34 New
    +3
    Well, in time Margarita raised the topic. On Saturday, the elder and wife ordered themselves rolls and all kinds of miso soup, noodles, etc. Both have fever, swollen stomach, gas, vomiting. In short, he called an ambulance. They arrived and said that they wouldn’t be hospitalized (they simply won’t be there) Drink activated carbon, enteros gel, yogulact, almogel. A day passed, it did not get any easier, let's see what they will be told at the clinic today.
    1. leon-iv
      leon-iv 22 July 2013 09: 41 New
      +5
      Zhen's close friend worked for an ambulance for a long time. They really are not hospitalized.
      I’ll explain why. Such should definitely be taken to the infectious disease, which to be honest nafig need to be real. For there to pick up something else like two fingers on the asphalt. Better at home. And it’s better on an outpatient basis or just in a clinic.
      PS How many times the world was told nefig any Basurman muck is))). Give them a set for the preparation of this muck, let them cook themselves.
    2. Aleksys2
      Aleksys2 22 July 2013 09: 51 New
      +1
      Quote: Mechanic
      Both have fever, swollen stomach, gas, vomiting.

      With all due respect, how does this relate to the topic of abortion raised by Margarita? request
      And in the case I can advise you to give more activated charcoal and plenty of drink (preferably a mineral water without gas).
      1. Armata
        Armata 22 July 2013 10: 02 New
        +2
        Thanks guys for the advice. Leon has a rug, but he is too lazy to do it. As for abortion, the doctor who makes the abortion and the doctor who drives the calls are no different, both took the Hypocratic oath. The only difference is that everyone works in their field.
        1. Aleksys2
          Aleksys2 22 July 2013 10: 12 New
          +3
          Quote: Mechanic
          As for abortion, the doctor who makes the abortion and the doctor who drives the calls are no different, both took the Hypocratic oath. The only difference is that everyone works in their field.

          Наши врачи не дают клятвы Гиппократа. Советские врачи давали "Присягу врача Советского Союза", сейчас дают "Клятву российского врача".
          I do not have a very good attitude towards gynecologists and ambulance doctors, although there are doctors among them whom I treat with great respect, and not a few.
          Text of the Oath of the Russian doctor:
          Receiving a high rank of a doctor and starting my professional activity, I solemnly swear:
          honestly fulfill your medical duty,
          devote their knowledge and skills to the prevention and treatment of diseases, the preservation and strengthening of human health;
          to be always ready
          provide medical assistance
          keep medical confidentiality
          carefully and carefully treat the patient,
          act exclusively in his interests, regardless of gender, race, nationality, language, origin, property and official position, place of residence, religion, beliefs, membership in public associations, or other circumstances;
          show the highest respect for human life, never resort to the implementation of euthanasia;
          keep gratitude and respect for their teachers,
          to be demanding and fair to their students, to contribute to their professional growth;
          Be kind to colleagues
          seek help and advice if the interests of the patient require it,
          and never to deny colleagues help and advice;
          constantly improve your professional skills,
          protect and develop the noble traditions of medicine.
        2. leon-iv
          leon-iv 22 July 2013 10: 26 New
          0
          As for abortion, the doctor who makes the abortion and the doctor who drives the calls are no different, both took the Hypocratic oath.

          My children have both godparents and not a single vow
          One was on duty
          Another at the symposium.
          So this oath doesn’t mean much now.
          And now you can sit down for abortion in counseling, and no one needs anyone; nobody wants to lose money on birth certificates.
          1. Aleksys2
            Aleksys2 22 July 2013 11: 09 New
            +1
            Quote: leon-iv
            and not a single vow

            They take an oath when they receive a diploma and sign it.
            1. Aleksys2
              Aleksys2 22 July 2013 11: 22 New
              +2
              Especially for the minus one:
              article 71 of federal law No. 323 "On the basics of protecting the health of citizens in the Russian Federation" from 21.11.2011.
              1. Persons who have completed the development of the main educational program of higher medical education, upon receipt of a document on higher professional education, take the oath of the doctor as follows:
              (hereinafter referred to as the Oath)
              2. The oath of the doctor is given in a festive atmosphere.
              1. Armata
                Armata 22 July 2013 11: 28 New
                +3
                Quote: Aleksys2
                Especially for the minus one:
                Do not pay attention, this is so coming for the minuses. In general, a respected doctor for me, this is a person who is fighting for health and (God forbid of course) the life of a person, and not these nonsense who are working on grandmothers for the most part.
                1. Alexander Romanov
                  Alexander Romanov 22 July 2013 11: 31 New
                  +4
                  Quote: Mechanic
                  which for the most part are working off grandmas.

                  For the most part, they are 20 years old and they think that they will never be sick.
                2. Aleksys2
                  Aleksys2 22 July 2013 11: 34 New
                  +2
                  I totally agree.
  • shurup
    shurup 22 July 2013 10: 19 New
    0
    Do not treat doctors like a herd of sheep, among which there are lousy. Doctors give their oath and their code is cleaner than the samurai.
    But the diseases of society, which include abortion, are the task of the whole society, which includes doctors, to treat.
  • Trapperxnumx
    Trapperxnumx 22 July 2013 10: 45 New
    +3
    А вообще очень интересно. Многие комментаторы называют себя патриотами и говорят, что любят свою Родину, а вот как тема про аборты - так все. Стоп. "И при чем здесь православие"? Люди! Вы просто пойимете, что ребенок с момента зачатия - уже живой!!! Он чувствует! Он все понимает! Он реагирует на действия гинеколога, который его убивает! И он ищет помощи и защиты у того единственного, у кого может - у своей мамы и не знает, не понимает что мама его уже тоже предала и отдала убийцам!!! Или теперь давайте издадим закон, что нужно поубивать всех детей-беспризорников? Что нищету то плодить? Преступность ту же? Эй, люди!!! Очнитесь!!! Это же ДЕТИ!!! Живые!!!
    1. Aleksys2
      Aleksys2 22 July 2013 11: 16 New
      +2
      I am against abortion if pregnancy is not associated with a threat to a woman's life. But I do not agree to make killer doctors out of gynecologists (with all my negative attitude to them). It is necessary to solve the problem with abortion systematically, starting with schools, television, literature, propaganda. It is necessary to solve the moral aspect of this problem, not the medical one.
      1. Trapperxnumx
        Trapperxnumx 22 July 2013 11: 59 New
        0
        Из гинекологов убийц не делаем, ибо есть гинекологи, не делающие аборты. Да и вообще, профессия "гинеколог" нужна и важна, ибо кто будет вести женщин до родов? Кто будет наблюдать их и рекомендовать лекарства? Сейчас все здоровьем слабы стали, мало кто без сохранения рожает. У меня жена рожала в перинотальном центре, в котором аборты вообще не делают.
        A man makes himself a killer. And the profession is not important here ...
        1. Aleksys2
          Aleksys2 22 July 2013 12: 34 New
          -3
          Quote: Trapper7
          A man makes himself a killer. And the profession is not important here ...

          Of course, a man makes himself a killer. Well, you took the killer’s nickname for yourself, and nothing, everything is normal.
          Trapper (eng. Trap - "trap") is a hunter for fur animals in North America.
          You little animals, God's creatures, killed not for food, but for the sake of pleasure do not mind?
          1. Trapperxnumx
            Trapperxnumx 23 July 2013 09: 28 New
            0
            Quote: Aleksys2
            Quote: Trapper7
            A man makes himself a killer. And the profession is not important here ...

            Of course, a man makes himself a killer. Well, you took the killer’s nickname for yourself, and nothing, everything is normal.
            Trapper (eng. Trap - "trap") is a hunter for fur animals in North America.
            You little animals, God's creatures, killed not for food, but for the sake of pleasure do not mind?

            Very good it's funny. Now begin to discuss the nicknames? Trapper is a hunting hunter for fur animals, the truth was told. But it is the hunter who does this and gets food for his family. Please do not confuse with those snickering majors who drive snowmobiles and scorch in all directions.
    2. Svobodny
      Svobodny 22 July 2013 12: 24 New
      -1
      Quote: Trapper7
      but that's how the topic of abortion is all. Stop

      Compare the number of people who voted for abortion:
      https://www.roi.ru/poll/petition/naselenie_i_migratciya/zapret-abortov-na-territ

      orii-rossii /


      and for the RIGHT to DRINK BEER while driving:
      https://www.roi.ru/poll/petition/transport-i-dorogi/vernut-minimalno-dopustimyj-

      uroven-soderzhanie-alkogolya-v-krovi-voditelya /


      That's it ...
    3. rereture
      rereture 22 July 2013 13: 08 New
      -3
      Dear, wake up from the moment of conception, the child is not there, there is only a zygote, one cell that can not understand. If abortion is prohibited, then in the later stages.
      1. Svobodny
        Svobodny 22 July 2013 15: 52 New
        +1
        Quote: rereture
        wake up

        that's it. Wake up:

        From the point of view of modern biology (genetics and embryology), a person’s life as a biological individual begins with the fusion of the nuclei of male and female germ cells and the formation of a single nucleus containing unique genetic material.
        Throughout the intrauterine development, a new human organism cannot be considered part of the mother’s body. It cannot be likened to an organ or parts of an organ of a mother's body. Therefore, it is obvious that abortion at any stage of pregnancy is the deliberate cessation of human life as a biological individual.



        Head of the Department of Embryology

        Faculty of Biology
        Moscow State University. M.V. Lomonosov Moscow State University,
        Professor, Doctor of Biological Sciences

        V.A. Golichenkov

        http://za-zhizn.ru/node/28
      2. Trapperxnumx
        Trapperxnumx 23 July 2013 09: 11 New
        +1
        Quote: rereture
        Dear, wake up from the moment of conception, the child is not there, there is only a zygote, one cell that can not understand. If abortion is prohibited, then in the later stages.

        I advise you to wake up! A single sperm can not understand anything. And the egg also. And connected together they are already a MAN. Let and consisting of one cell. From this cell a person is formed. Or am I now calling you a zygote too?
  • valokordin
    valokordin 22 July 2013 10: 53 New
    0
    About abortion, in 1975. there was a criminal case against a citizen for fraud. He considered himself a true Orthodox priest and asked Gromyko to let him go to Greece, allegedly only there was a truly Orthodox faith. So he traveled around the USSR right up to Chita, seemed to be perspicacious and offered women to atone for their sins for nameless children.
    По такому принципу, находил верующих женщин, предлагал замолить грех по 50 руб. за убиенную душу. Были женщины и по 10 абортов. А не было денег, брал старинными иконами и книгами. И всем раздавал фотографические открытки с монастырской стеной и с надписью :"Greetings from the Solovetsky monastery in Chekotka. Elders pray for you sinners" Ну вот грех грехом, а 500руб. за 10 не родившихся младенцев тоже не убыток.
  • stroporez
    stroporez 22 July 2013 11: 01 New
    +1
    "каков поп, таков и приход" оля голодец вона чего вытворяет, и -----ничо..........такое ощущение шо власть целенаправленно всячески выдвигает особей вурдалачьего пошиба......
  • Ezhaak
    Ezhaak 22 July 2013 11: 03 New
    -1
    The doctor, having seen this, voluptuously smirked, saying

    Women go to abortion quite consciously. Therefore, in the first place, it makes sense to blame the mother who brought her child to the slaughter.
    And what does the surgeon who cuts off the mammary glands stuffed with cancer cells say? And what does a surgeon with amputated limbs affected by gangrene say? In the end, what does a vet say about lulling your beloved dog or other animal? We will not say anything about cattle slaughterers at meat processing plants.
    Sorry, but the MINUS article! For bias.
  • Xmypp
    Xmypp 22 July 2013 12: 04 New
    +3
    Quote: domokl
    But show me a woman who has not had an abortion at least once. Maybe there is somewhere.

    Look around, see.
    Maybe we live in different countries, I h.z.
  • bif
    bif 22 July 2013 13: 40 New
    +4
    I do not know if there are professional doctors among the commentators, although judging by the comments (by what I read) - NO. While reading this article, my wife (both doctors !!!) only marveled at the one-sidedness of the judgments and the extreme professionalism of the author, well, she wrote what came to mind, but the words of some commentators are simply stunned by their bone and detachment from the realities. The article is clearly indecent and is not worth the time spent reading it.
    Аборты - это чисто медицинская манипуляция, имеющая серьезные последствия, поэтому она должна выполняться ТОЛЬКО в условиях стационара(где некоторое время будут наблюдать за пациенткой), а не в платных "центрах-забегаловках", которые расплодились. Являясь по сути операцией, аборт и должен проводиться ТОЛЬКО по медицинским показаниям (без всяких социальных), коими являются диагностированные отклонения и аномалии развития (Мутации разного уровня, уродства,недоразвития внутренних органов и т.д. - сейчас ранняя диагностика позволяет заподозрить данные отклонения достаточно рано).
    Therefore, it is impossible to refuse abortions, but in order for the girls not to interrupt the pregnancy (obviously a healthy baby), a well-developed social welfare service is needed, where either the baby will be saved and taken away from the negligent mother, or both will be taken under their care. Abortions are needed, otherwise you will fill the country with Downs and other more severe anomalies that arise from adverse ecology, drugs, serious infectious and genetic diseases.
    1. Aleksys2
      Aleksys2 22 July 2013 13: 55 New
      +1
      Quote: bif
      now early diagnosis allows you to suspect these deviations early enough

      Oh,
      Clinical examination - how much in this word,
      for the physician’s heart merged ...
      Раньше с этим проблем не было, сейчас не все ладно в "Датском королевстве".
    2. sevtrash
      sevtrash 22 July 2013 14: 26 New
      -3
      I support, it is not necessary to bring to pregnancy if it is not needed - and this depends on the level of education, responsibility of both women and men, responsibility in the family. Abortion is harmful to a woman’s health, a long-known fact, and therefore should be only for medical reasons. So - yes - abortion is primarily a social problem.
      An article, such an impression, from a person with an unstable, if not more psyche.
      And if according to the quality of medical care, in Ukraine in some cities the devil is going on. They will not approach the patient until either the patient or his relatives bring money. He will lie and wait, and may not wait. It may not be so in Russia, although I think there are fewer.
      1. MG42
        MG42 22 July 2013 17: 02 New
        0
        Quote: sevtrash
        I support, do not bring to pregnancy if it is not needed

        No need to use Chinese condoms ..
        Quote: sevtrash
        An article, such an impression, from a person with an unstable, if not more psyche.

        Written by an afftor in her critical days ..
        Quote: sevtrash
        And if according to the quality of medical care, in Ukraine in some cities the devil is going on. They will not approach the patient until either the patient or his relatives bring money.

        Can you give specific facts?
        In urgent conditions, they are definitely suitable, naturally, medicines cost money, surgical treatment, etc. There are alternatives in hospitals do not want free in the ward for 8 people you can pay for a separate suite with a plasma on the wall .. any whim for the money ..
        1. sevtrash
          sevtrash 22 July 2013 20: 11 New
          -2
          Quote: MG42
          Can you give specific facts?

          What are your specific facts? Name of patient, doctor, hospital name? I say that I did not hear the bazaar, but from acquaintances who treated relatives in this way. In particular, in one of the cancer centers in the south, the attending physician did not approach the patient to watch until relatives put money in his pocket. In another city in the south they brought the patient, put him in the corridor, told him to go for the money, and there he waited until they brought them.
          Everybody knows about non-free medicines for a long time, I also have news. And for surgical treatment in the same cancer centers, thousands of green ones are taken, I myself heard from patients. They also take money for medicines that they are given for testing for free and they are paid for these tests.
          1. MG42
            MG42 22 July 2013 20: 22 New
            +1
            Quote: sevtrash
            What are your specific facts? Name of patient, doctor, hospital name?

            City and hospital.
            Quote: sevtrash
            I say that I did not hear the bazaar, but from acquaintances who treated relatives in this way.

            Sounds like a bazare ... a ruined phone ..
            Quote: sevtrash
            In particular, in one of the cancer centers in the south, the attending physician did not approach the patient to watch until relatives put money in his pocket.

            This treatment and examination of a hospitalized patient, and here the initial examination is urgent? Is this a hospice?
            Quote: sevtrash
            In another city in the south they brought the patient, put him in the corridor, told him to go for the money, and there he waited until they brought them.

            Without sucker, life is bad, if they say give me money, you should immediately go into your pocket, did your relatives try to go to the head doctor?
          2. MG42
            MG42 22 July 2013 20: 41 New
            +2
            Do you even know that every morning in the hospital there is a medical round-trip of patients, what will happen if the patient lies on the corridor with those doctors on duty who assigned him there? On the corridor there was a case in which a mass poisoning of salmonellosis was picked up at a wedding in a district center. In large cities, this is not met.
            1. sevtrash
              sevtrash 22 July 2013 23: 33 New
              -2
              Yes, in fact, you still do not believe me or not, or rather you want to or not. What will change from this - nothing. The oath of Hippocrates in the Soviet sense has long disappeared, and the original was different.
              Based on the terminology that you use, perhaps you yourself somehow belong to the doctors. Why so sharply against? And that they did not hear about working with doctors from representatives of pharmaceutical companies, prescribing drugs by percentage, successfully treating non-existent diseases, prescribing many unnecessary diagnostic procedures, etc.
              Either you do not want to know this, or completely off topic.
              1. MG42
                MG42 22 July 2013 23: 47 New
                +2
                Quote: sevtrash
                Yes, in fact, you still do not believe me or not, or rather you want to or not.

                I do not believe..
                Quote: sevtrash
                Based on the terminology that you use, perhaps you yourself somehow belong to the doctors. Why so sharply against?

                Я против обливания тотально всех грязью в семье есть медики известные тесть профессор медицины >> жена моя к.м.н.
                Quote: sevtrash
                And that they did not hear about the work with doctors of representatives of pharmaceutical companies, the prescription of drugs by percentage

                There is such a topic, but there wasn’t a word to comment about it, you don’t need to drag everything that you’ve heard from your friends ’ears
                Quote: sevtrash
                Either you do not want to know this, or completely off topic.

                who is not in the subject so is you hi What do you have to do with medicine ???
                1. sevtrash
                  sevtrash 23 July 2013 00: 00 New
                  -3
                  Quote: MG42
                  who is not in the subject so is you

                  Oh really? I give examples, and you deny them. It cannot be, because it can never be? Is not it?
                  1. MG42
                    MG42 23 July 2013 00: 02 New
                    +1
                    WHAT DO YOU HAVE ATTITUDE TO MEDICINE, SEVresh?
                    1. sevtrash
                      sevtrash 23 July 2013 00: 10 New
                      -3
                      Quote: MG42
                      WHAT DO YOU HAVE ATTITUDE TO MEDICINE, SEVresh?

                      And what is the essence of the issue? Am I entitled to discuss medical topics? Is that what you want to say?
                      1. MG42
                        MG42 23 July 2013 00: 16 New
                        0
                        Kapets. Question to question, go to the garden in short, tired of this trololo.
                2. sevtrash
                  sevtrash 23 July 2013 00: 07 New
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                  Quote: MG42
                  тесть профессор медицины >> жена моя к.м.н.

                  By the way, there is no professor of medicine, there must be a professor of a specific specialty, for example, pathology, pharmacology. As well as work on obtaining a scientific degree, they are carried out in a certain narrow specialty.
                  With all due respect to the degree and title, this is not tantamount to a good doctor. Employees of the departments often have limited or no involvement in the diagnosis and treatment.
                  1. Aleksys2
                    Aleksys2 23 July 2013 00: 25 New
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                    Quote: sevtrash
                    As well as work on obtaining a scientific degree, they are carried out in a specific narrow specialty.

                    Again, for those who know everything and understand everything:
                    A professor is not a scientific title, this is a post, the head of a department.
                    a scientific degree is another, a candidate of medical sciences, a doctor of medical sciences. In medical institutes, medical departments are usually located in departments of basic hospitals, for training students in therapy, surgery, gynecology, pediatrics, etc. occurs at the patient’s bed. The employees of such departments are at the same time treating doctors and teachers, so your message about the isolation of the department’s employees from medical treatment is not true. You just do not have a clue, even an elementary one, about which you are trying to judge.
                    1. sevtrash
                      sevtrash 23 July 2013 00: 32 New
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                      Quote: Aleksys2
                      Again, for those who know everything and understand everything:

                      Well this is something with something. There is a post of professor and there is a title of professor. The title is assigned according to the results of the defense of the degree of doctor, scientific work, students. The position is appointed, the position of professor is mainly those who have the title of professor. And at the posts of the head of the department may be an assistant professor.
                      You at least ask a knowledgeable person before issuing such pearls with a kind of aplomb.
                      And, by the way, about the isolation of the employees of the departments from medical business, also take an interest in knowledgeable people.
                      1. Aleksys2
                        Aleksys2 23 July 2013 00: 51 New
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                        My little child,
                        aplomb, this is for you, you do not belong to knowledgeable people, do not tell me about how the departments of medical institutes work, I visit these departments once a week. And I know who the professor is and who the docent is better than you, for I communicate both with one and with the other.
                        The title of Professor is awarded by the Higher Attestation Commission on the proposal of the academic councils of universities or research institutions: a) persons with a doctoral degree, scientific papers or inventions and selected by competition for the post of head of the department or, after a year of successful work in this position. And first the position and then the rank.
                      2. sevtrash
                        sevtrash 23 July 2013 01: 00 New
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                        Well, how does this compare with what you said earlier?
                        Quote: Aleksys2
                        A professor is not a scientific title, this is a post, the head of a department.

                        And in what am I wrong that I said above about the position and rank?
                        And why do you have the initial idea that someone is surely less than you versed in some issue, in particular? Do you immediately consider yourself more knowledgeable?
    3. Ezhaak
      Ezhaak 22 July 2013 21: 19 New
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      Quote: sevtrash
      It may not be so in Russia, although I think there are fewer.

      In the sense, as you describe, in Russia it is a rarity. Maybe somewhere similar exists, but I have not seen it. In fact, my brother-in-law from under Lozova does not complain about this. And they often happen to go to Kharkov. I have not heard anything like this from my brother’s wife, who was ill, and who later died in the same area.
      Similar, arrogant demands of doctors, if they had a place to be, this is an example of the corruption of doctors by you. MG42 said correctly, And go to the head physician, but to the prosecutor’s office with a statement? Or did you have to hush up the case with stab wounds ??? So this is a completely different matter!
      1. MG42
        MG42 22 July 2013 21: 43 New
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        Quote: Hedgehog
        In the sense, as you describe, in Russia this is a rarity. Maybe somewhere and there is something like this, but I have not seen it. In fact, my brother-in-law from under Lozova does not complain about this. And they often happen to go to Kharkov. I have not heard anything like this from my brother’s wife, who was ill, and who later died in the same area.

        Да обычный тырнетный форумный трёп у того товарища и не только у него, никто не проверит типа родственники знакомых сказали <бабушка надвое сказала после дождичка в четверг> laughing as soon as it touches on specifics
        Quote: Hedgehog
        MG42 said correctly, And go to the head physician, but to the prosecutor’s office with a statement? Or was it necessary to hush up the case with stab wounds?

        Thank you for your support, but it’s not realistic to hush up the knife case in the state hospital, it threatens not only dismissal, without cops it’s just like with bullet wounds ..
  • Svobodny
    Svobodny 22 July 2013 22: 29 New
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    Quote: bif
    Abortion is a purely medical manipulation

    Quote: bif
    you will fill the country of Downs


    This is said by representatives of the most humane profession ... Fans of eugenics?
    In Nazi Germany, they also fought downs. Sterilized, etc.

    You didn’t study with him, doctors?Karl Klauberg
    1. bif
      bif 26 July 2013 01: 44 New
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      Чисто для расширения вашего узкого кругозора - люди с с-мом Дауна и другими генетическими заболеваниями(связанные с повреждением большого обьёма ДНК) как правило, бесплодны и стерелизовать их не надо. А вот чтобы вы были более вдумчивы и менее красноречивы в своих высказываниях, вам явно необходимо пройти "школу жизни" и самому принять прямое участие в воспитании и уходе за таким человеком.
      I don’t need to cling to words and examples (Mr. Down), I talked about early diagnosis and termination of pregnancy, with a known severe pathology.
      1. Such children, if at all survive in the first months of life, become the main cause of family breakdowns, parental alcoholism, require incredible sacrifices from relatives, who ultimately are in vain, because there is no recovery.
      2. From the point of view of the state, such people require constant costs, but they will never bring benefits to society and the state. (This is about keeping prisoners for life, only in a medical boarding house).
      Now ask yourself a question, with a certain limit (say on the reform of preschool education) in whom should the state invest?
      All your joking speeches are good until the problem touches YOU personally.
  • LOKY
    LOKY 22 July 2013 14: 11 New
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    Странная статья... Причем здесь врачи? Да еще в таком контексте, что доктора, оказывается, "сладострастно улыбаются", "предвкушают" и прочие нелестные эпитеты. Что автор знает о работе врачей? К чему эта демонизация? В абортах виноваты люди в белых халатах?
    The reason for abortion in living conditions that give rise to the reaction of society in the form of an information environment that affects the final link - a woman who decides to do this. And the doctors, it turns out, are just a tool. The legal prohibition of abortion will give rise to clandestine clinics where the bogeys savvyly written in the article will prosper with much greater probability!
    The article is incompetent, and from that lies. Inversion of morality and dousing gives mud in the author's inability to work with the material, along with an ardent desire for cheap popularity.
    P.S. Настоящими убийцами на данный момент являются чиновники во главе с "эффективными менеджерами" (привет п-м Медведеву!), которые "реформируют" медицину, закрывая роддома и больницы.
  • Aleksys2
    Aleksys2 23 July 2013 00: 40 New
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    In December 2010, I accidentally stumbled upon this site, I liked it. There were many interesting, informative articles, there were no less interesting people who discussed these articles. Thanks to the site and people writing in the comments, I constantly learned something new. In a word, it was interesting.
    But lately somehow everything has changed ... and I was not interested.
    In general, thanks to the site administration, thanks to some commentators and authors of articles, it was interesting to you. And I'm leaving for the sim.
    1. Hleb
      Hleb 23 July 2013 03: 11 New
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      all this is true, but you cannot go off track wink
  • DuraLexSedLex.
    DuraLexSedLex. 23 July 2013 02: 29 New
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    Here is one thing that interests me here, one madame in the dummy (d ** but apparently or an analogue of Milonov, also not a distant mind) gave out:

    "Елена Мизулина, возглавляющая комитет Государственной думы по вопросам семьи, женщин и детей, своими идеями скоро, что называется, «заткнет за пояс» даже Виталия Милонова. Последний заставил поволноваться всех девушек старше двадцати трех лет, не успевших обзавестись потомством, пригрозив привлечь их к службе в армии. Теперь над всеми нерожавшими девушками нависла новая угроза.

    There was information that Elena Mizulina was preparing another resonant bill, according to which nulliparous girls would be banned from entering higher education institutions. Social networks cite her statement, supposedly Russia needs “Orthodox healthy girls”, and she does not need “pale feminists-nerds”. Also, according to the deputy, study and science are not female occupations at all.

    Сама Мизулина утверждает, что подобных заявлений никогда не делала: законопроекта такого нет в природе, а депутата просто хотят оклеветать. Но никто не удивится, если закон станет сюрпризом. Интересно, что если будет задействована и инициатива Милонова, то несчастные девушки даже отсрочку по учебе получить не смогут."

    Она с автором статьи видать одну "дурь" курят, или диллер у них один...

    А у автора статьи хочется спросить:"Мадам а вы хоть раз принимали противозачаточные?Если да то вы убийца!"Надо не запрещать аботры, а проводить политику социальную что бы не тра**лись на каждом углу с 12 лет.Людям с детства надо рассказывать что и как, а если она старше 18, то это её дело хочет она дитё или нет.ЖЕНЩИНА САМА РЕШАЕТ хочет она детей или нет.Оставьте за ней это право.