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Return is a bad omen. About the Red Project

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Mikhail Khazin, a highly respected by me, a well-known economist and political scientist, recently published an article entitled “The Red Project”, in which he assumes that soon “theoretically, the Red Project should powerfully jerk the Red”. And offers to discuss its feasibility. Today, in general, they talk a lot about the Red project, but what is meant by this beautiful and powerful symbol? Things are very different ...


M. Khazin, as an economist, is attracted primarily by the globality of the Red project, since he can provide "the expansion of markets, without which it is impossible to create a modern economy for our country." Putting him on par with the Orthodox and Western projects, he says that his claims will be comparable, in other words, the new Red project claims to be the succession of Karl Marx’s global communist project.

Sergey Kurginyan, a prominent political scientist, leader of the movement “The Essence of Time”, means by the Red Project the re-creation of a certain USSR-2. For many of our contemporaries, the Red Project is just safety, full employment, free health care and education, as in the USSR, and nostalgia for a great past, no doubt. Kurginyan is the most understandable to them, therefore he is the only one who has already created an organization with his like-minded people.

Common in these moods is a thirst for a just, spiritually healthy future, many of whose traits were in the USSR. The desire for such an ideal cannot but be supported, however, one must firmly stand on the ground in order not to fall into a new utopia. And not to fall into neo-Trotskyism, which is now very popular in the West, and seems to be looking for a new country, which could be thrown into the furnace of a new world revolution. We must also decide in relation to the Communist Party of the Russian Federation, which, formally, is the successor to the ideals of the USSR, and which all ideologists of the Red project ignore. And still need to answer the obvious difficult "red" questions.

First, the Red project in the USSR had different versions: Lenin, then Stalin, then Khrushchev and the politburo of the Central Committee of the CPSU. On the universality of the Red project, in today's terms - globality, its founder Karl Marx insisted, but Lenin had already challenged this thesis with a “new economic policy”, and Stalin built socialism “in a single country”. The successes of the USSR are not connected with its global aspirations, but with a period of concentration on the interests of the country. When Khrushchev came to power in the USSR, the global tenets of Marxism took over, but the whole communist “globality” kept on the Stalinist heritage of the USSR, and was paid for by it.

Secondly, the Red Project from the very beginning contained the dogma of the Red God - the communist idea, the promise to create a just society on earth, as opposed to the Christian “paradise in heaven” - and kept its faith in it. Today, for some reason, little is said about this core of it in the twentieth century. But it was precisely the belief in this messianic idea, almost religious faith, that nourished the Red project at the time of its greatest flourishing. And, as soon as she swayed in her minds, the Red Project also swayed.

Today, it is hardly possible to revive the belief in “communism as the bright future of mankind”, and no one offers another equivalent symbol of faith in the Red project, and he gapes with an enormous “silence figure”. It seems that without filling this void with a new big idea, akin to a religious one, no global project is possible.

The western project, by the way, collapses for the same reason. The consumer slogan of “all-round welfare improvement” became a surrogate “symbol of faith” of the West and Late Red project, inherited and modern Russia, but he cannot give any faith, in the sense of ideology. Although probably contributed to the peaceful fall of the USSR.

If you descend from ideological heavens to the sinful and Russian land, you will see that the Red project in the twentieth century fulfilled its main task - defended Russia's independence: ensured its survival in a very difficult foreign policy situation of the early twentieth century, then modernizing the country and winning the Second World War . Until now, Russia's independence is based on the achievements of the Red project of the twentieth century. By this the USSR fulfilled its mission, the glory of the USSR! For this we will be grateful to him forever.

However, we must go forward: to return is a bad omen, and in politics too. The national task facing Russia today is the same as at the beginning of the twentieth century: to preserve national independence, a worthy place under the sun, which we inherited from our fathers and grandfathers, in the new conditions of the 21st century. You can call it, in a sense, a national idea.

For this you need to solve obvious, in general, tasks: to consolidate your own society and gain allies, following the example of the Red project, which found a large number of supporters both in the West and in the East, and they provided substantial assistance to Russia-USSR in the Second World War.

Understanding of this is in the leadership of Russia, it is not without reason that the Eurasian Union is being created together with Kazakhstan and Belarus. “In the 21st century, the vector of development of Russia is development to the East. We have started the creation of the Eurasian Union, and, of course, we will follow this path, and we will solve this problem,” says V.V. Putin, although this causes bouts of hysteria in the Washington Regional Committee.

The new Union in the post-Soviet space can, of course, be called the USSR-2. In words, everything is possible, but, in fact, it is the same as what the USSR called at one time the Russian Empire, 2.

It will be a Union in the same territories as the USSR and the Russian Empire, but on other conditions, for example, former internationalism is hardly possible, covering the donation of the Union republics from Russia. New allies are unlikely to be "Soviet" and "socialist".

Why should a fundamentally different state education give the old name? Pour new wine into old furs? Of course, we must try to take all the best from the experience of the USSR, but this will no longer be a Red project, but another, apparently, a Eurasian project, the further development of which we cannot predict today. But Russia has no other choice - another way to find allies ...
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  1. Alexanderlaskov
    Alexanderlaskov 22 July 2013 07: 33
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    The idea is good! Deserves close attention. Take all the good with the USSR and discard all the bad.
    1. Trofimov174
      Trofimov174 22 July 2013 08: 55
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      Quote: Alexanderlaskov
      Take all the good with the USSR and discard all the bad.

      As famously said. Take and discard. Why then talk about the USSR at all, let's take all the good from today's Russia and discard all the bad, elementary. And we don't know that every positive factor always has a negative one, no matter how everyone rushes around. "Give the State 20 years of peace, internal and external, and you will not recognize the current Russia." Not a single revolution, calls for radical reforms, "Red" projects for the revival of the former system and daring slogans lead to a prosperous state. This was proven with the fall of the Russian Empire and confirmed by the collapse of the USSR. Live trying to exaggerate wealth and play down shortcomings, rather than throwing everything "superfluous and bad"
      1. Alexei
        Alexei 22 July 2013 10: 14
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        Quote: Trofimov174
        "Give the State 20 years of peace, internal and external, and you will not recognize the current Russia"

        But this is unlikely. Many refuse to understand the complexity of the political reconstruction process (through trial and error) that occurs in any endeavor. From the outside, everything seems simple and easily overcome. I want a quick result online. It resembles an "ideal" family, where the wife thinks that the money comes from the bedside table, and the husband thinks that the food comes from the refrigerator.
      2. anip
        anip 22 July 2013 12: 10
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        Quote: Trofimov174
        Give the State 20 years of peace, internal and external, and you will not recognize the current Russia

        Is there a civil war in Russia after 1991? Or maybe there is a war with an external aggressor? Stalin, after the civil war and intervention, built an industrial power in 20 years. And what current rulers need another 20 years? 20 years have passed.
        1. El13
          El13 22 July 2013 12: 53
          +8
          And you do not know that 20 is more than a year old, you personally and we all live in a colony that serves the metropolis and fights for independence?
        2. Alexei
          Alexei 22 July 2013 14: 36
          +1
          Quote: anip
          Is there a civil war in Russia after 1991?

          What about Chechnya? And the 90 crisis where GDP fell lower than in the states during the depression? What are you?
          Quote: El13
          And you do not know that 20 is more than a year old, you personally and we all live in a colony that serves the metropolis and fights for independence?

          No, not in the know. You have paranoia.
          1. Ulan
            Ulan 22 July 2013 16: 26
            +2
            Undoubtedly, "colony" is too strong a word. Of course, this is an exaggeration. But our country cannot be called completely independent, this is also true. And above all, there is no financial independence, since our entire financial system is tied to the dollar.
            This is the legacy of the Yeltsin team and getting rid of it is not easy enough.
            Naturally, to restore the USSR in its previous form is utopia. There can be no talk of this, but the creation of a new union is a matter of survival and prosperity.
            But as they say - it's easy to break, but you need to build time, patience, desire.
            Although probably a lot could be done before.
            1. vezunchik
              vezunchik 22 July 2013 22: 04
              +4
              Indeed, a colony is all American parameters in education and medicine and in the national, sorry, capitalist economy. Officials were trained (internships) in the West ... So think ..
    2. Dober
      Dober 22 July 2013 11: 25
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      Quote: Alexanderlaskov
      Take all the good with the USSR and discard all the bad.

      The whole point in this "take and discard" is only three premises, comprehended and voiced by authoritative RUSSIAN philosophers, economists, demographers and sociologists. This is the fulfillment of only three conditions:
      1) The acquisition by Russians of a clear national identity based on a common origin, blood and history;
      2) Steady outstripping rate of demographic growth of the Russian people in comparison with other peoples of the "empire";
      3) The complete emigration and assimilation of Russian Jews, the complete disappearance of Jewish identity from our land.
      Perhaps the day will come when these three conditions for the restoration of the "empire" will be formed.
      Something tells me that under the current policy of the authorities, this will not happen so soon ...
      And everything else will lead to unheard-of victims and genocide of the RUSSIANS, which we can only imagine. History of the year develops "in a spiral" and each new "turn" surpasses the previous one ...
      1. aksakal
        aksakal 22 July 2013 13: 16
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        Quote: Dober
        1) The acquisition by Russians of a clear national identity based on common origin, blood and history; 2) A stable outstripping rate of demographic growth of the Russian people in comparison with other peoples of the "empire"; 3) Complete emigration and assimilation of Russian Jews, complete disappearance of Jewish identity with our land.

        - cool! Most importantly, the local Jewish comrades will support. Atalef, for example, made it clear that Israel was created to prevent the Jewish diasporas annoying the local population from all over the world, who didn’t move - Israel is not to blame and will no longer be held responsible for their fate.
        No, I do not mean pogroms a la "Black Hundred". I mean precisely the peaceful, but slightly compulsory assimilation of Jews up to their marriage to the "goyim" and further dilution and disappearance in the descendants of the very way of life, customs and value scale of Jewry in this part of the continent, all this has already been assigned a place, this is in Israel , for this it is even possible to take Israel itself under military protection, if it is possible to somehow clearly stipulate the rules and criteria for all these steps - we take it under protection, and Israel does not interfere and even contributes to the implementation of 3 points very clearly and in the utmost full extent, which no one walking in white is left, and everything that would have been the entrance to the raider takeover called "Chubais privatization" and transferred to the Russian people in full, because he built it and is the only legal owner.
        1. Net
          Net 22 July 2013 13: 29
          +6
          The assimilation of Jews is fantastic. Forbid them to open cultural centers, yeshivas, synagogues, this will not change anything. Minyan is better off gathering at someone's house, but a Jew will remain a Jew. Didn’t they try to solve this problem? Napoleon tried to make the Jews full citizens of France, but the followers of the Talmud strongly resist assimilation while continuing to build the state in the state.
        2. Dober
          Dober 22 July 2013 14: 32
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          Quote: aksakal
          For this purpose, Israel was created so that Jewish diasporas that annoy the local population and who did not move around the world would remain - Israel is not to blame and will no longer be held responsible for their fate.

          You are fundamentally wrong. Unfortunately. I would agree with you if it weren't for "BY".
          1. I myself lived in Israel for almost 2 years, I have relatives there along the Batyanin line and a testament bequeathed. Therefore, with 2007 data. the below polls agree 99%

          Until recently, official Israel by all means - to indecent! - sought the maximum exit to the "historical homeland" of Jews from the USSR. Now the reverse trend prevails.
          Recently, the Israeli Ministry of Internal Affairs has made it difficult for citizens from the CIS countries to come to Israel ... New rules have been introduced, which the ministry officials in numerous interviews called simpler and easier to obtain a visa, but did not publish these rules themselves. And complaints grew like a snowball.

          These rules are called: "On the call of tourists from the CIS countries." In accordance with them, everyone who wants to visit Israel turns to the Israeli consul in the country of residence with an invitation letter from an Israeli citizen, and the consul decides on his visa on the spot. If the consul has doubts, the inviter should contact the Israeli Ministry of Internal Affairs and fill out a form indicating the exact details of the invitee, attach a cover letter, pay the fee, and issue a bank guarantee for a period of six (?) Months. If it turns out that the invitee does not match the declared data, then the money guarantee is not returned, and he himself can be sent from the country ...
          2. According to some reports. The "true" Chabadnik berl-lazar does not just occupy a position here. This is essentially a "saboteur and resident" to prepare the territory for Khazaristan. Provide facts (indirect).
          Here for an example -
          http://maxpark.com/community/888/content/741268
          As far as my memory serves me, this article has been online for almost TWO YEARS. Later, many others came out with similar content. About the spread of "anti-Semitism in France", about the "de-Jewishization of Sweden", etc.
          Here is the consideration of the city council of Dnepropetrovsk "Initiate a special status for Hebrew" -
          http://www.regnum.ru/news/1570830.html#ixzz26YiILfdB
          "Start of the Jewish Ethnographic Expedition" -
          http://nl.livejournal.com/1151999.html
          And many other events from this series. If we consider that at the time of this writing, there was no statement (at the beginning of this year) by Ahmadinejad about the creation of nuclear weapons by Iran and its adaptation to delivery vehicles, it will become clear that much of what was said in the article is already coming true or all the prerequisites for "resettlement" are being prepared. ...

          Shl. I almost forgot. There are appeals from the organization "Sokhnut", which is engaged in the repatriation of Jews to the "historical" one, to the Knesset about the "lack of work" due to the small number of people applying for the "service".
          And here, constantly increasing "in sound and frequency", talk about "New Soviet Union". Nothing worries?
        3. Dober
          Dober 22 July 2013 14: 33
          +1
          “34% of Israelis say:“ Aliya from the countries of the former USSR scares me ”;
          63% of the country's citizens are categorically against organizing new waves of mass repatriation from the CIS;
          80% of the public: “New immigrants compete with the Israelis in the labor market”;
          63% say: “New immigrants cause a sharp drop in wages”;
          58% of the country's citizens are not ready to devote several hours a month to help absorb aliyah;
          42% of the country's citizens say: “The state helps a lot of new immigrants”;
          53% of Israelis: “The credentials of new immigrants about higher and vocational education mean nothing.”
          Negative associations regarding new immigrants from the former USSR: parasites (25%), drug addicts / prostitutes / criminals (19%) ...

          Solving their problems, seeking free travel to Israel and other countries, the Jews did everything possible to destroy the Soviet Union, change the social system in it, disarm us militarily, ideologically, economically and politically, not taking into account the interests of the indigenous population. They, as always, did not care about what price others would pay to gain the desired rights by the chosen people.
          Now the Jews had new big problems with “repatriation to their historical homeland,” although of a completely opposite nature. They are again ready to solve them in the usual way for themselves: without thinking about others.
          But these are their Jewish problems, and not ours at all. They should solve them at their own expense, and not at our expense. We should not take them upon ourselves.
          Is not it?
          1. sergo0000
            sergo0000 22 July 2013 20: 20
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            Still, the Jewish Autonomous Region with its capital in Birobidzhan was not Stalin's worst idea. hi Just think, a kind of ghetto for mastering the Far East! winked
            Apparently, Israel was also created by the type of this BUT as a temporary measure and too hasty. Recognize Zionism as an extremist religious movement at the international level, close synagogues, Talmud-banned extremist literature and for God's sake let them settle. All the same, after all, Israel is not a tenant.
            Yes, I almost forgot to forbid newborn boys to do circumcision at the age of 8, so as not to mentally cripple their baby souls, so that in turn the grown child would not be angry with the whole world!
            http://yadi.sk/d/aDl-D6CD75lrr
            This video has almost disappeared from the network, but I have it on Yandex disk.
            1. Dober
              Dober 23 July 2013 02: 44
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              Tomorrow, tomorrow, Sergei, we will "measure" and "forbid" circumcision. who does not need.
              Today is late ... And we recognize (at our level), and we brand, and forbid, and send tries ... All tomorrow ...
              Today "in lulu" ...
              C'mon ...
    3. ben gun
      ben gun 22 July 2013 12: 49
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      There were all sorts of pluses and minuses in the "Red Project".
      I personally FOR a strong state. As M. Leontyev said in the films "The Big Game" (not verbatim) - the communists, as soon as they realized that it was necessary to settle in Russia in earnest, had to restore the main directions of the foreign policy of the Russian Empire under a different flag and name. As a result, it turned out very similar to reincarnation and continuation, with rethinking. In my opinion, sooner or later our ruling circles will come to this. better than before of course)
      For interest - bestial grin of British capitalism in all its glory. Hai better red project will be than that. http://www.odnako.org/blogs/show_26932/
      1. yak69
        yak69 22 July 2013 22: 44
        +1
        Secondly, the Red Project from the very beginning contained the dogma of the Red God - the communist idea, the promise to create a just society on earth, as opposed to the Christian "heaven in heaven", ......
        ..... Belief in "communism as a bright future for mankind" today is hardly possible to resurrect ....

        The author clearly intended to discredit the entire fundamental idea of ​​Communism. There is no opposition here and cannot be! What the Trotskyists did, destroying faith and Orthodoxy, they did for a certain vile purpose and only a foolish person can not understand this. And the author claims to be global and philosophical generalizations.
        So, for those who have not yet figured out the Red Project, Communism is actually that very heavenly paradise, only embodied on earthly soil! The Gospel says, "Make the Lord your way straight." So, that model of a socially just society that fully satisfies all its vital needs and creates favorable conditions for the all-round spiritual development of a person, this is the task that was set by the Lord God before a person!
        All contradictions here are artificial and aimed at the implementation of the principle "Divide and Conquer". Although, in essence, this principle is also correct and necessary. But you need to understand it CORRECTLY!
        1. yak69
          yak69 22 July 2013 23: 08
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          What is Divide and Conquer? This is the very distribution of small processes in some large huge process, into small parts. When the commander assigns each of his subordinates his own small task, in the execution of which, the fulfillment of a more general task is achieved. In other words, it is hierarchical in the broadest sense of the word. After all, we live in space and time and ANY action presupposes a STRICTLY DEFINED SEQUENCE of execution. Even go to the toilet for a "big" and then you have to follow the sequence of actions = take off your pants, sit down, and suck! This is also a hierarchy of actions!
          That's just any sound process can be perverted and isolate. Which is what the world backstage does for all centuries, all these descendants of the priesthood, the true children of Satan. They pervert EVERYTHING! And live on it. And humanity is not getting smarter and smarter, because it is lazy. The vast majority of people do not want to take responsibility for their lives and destiny on their shoulders. Everyone wants to give the reins of government to a certain ruler, king, master, master, so as not to think. This is called - without a king in his head. And now, many citizens, without a king in their heads, do not want to think and be responsible for their actions and the failures of their worthless life!
          "You are the boss, you think! And I am a small person." That's the whole recipe for degradation - laziness, laziness, laziness and more fear.
    4. dustycat
      dustycat 23 July 2013 21: 06
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      Quote: Alexanderlaskov
      The idea is good! Deserves close attention. Take all the good with the USSR and discard all the bad.

      How well started ...
      Restoration of the USSR ....

      And how stupidly it ended
      "The new allies are unlikely to be 'Soviet' and 'socialist'."

      Did the author himself understand what he wants ??

      It is like Amaretto - either it is the USSR or not.

      And by the way.
      The basic idea of ​​the USSR is justice.

      When a part of justice - a fair distribution - was destroyed in the mid-1950s - the path to the collapse of the USSR began.
      It was then that the Chinese comrades started talking about revisionism in the USSR.

      It would be better to know the real history of your country.
    5. Yoshkin Kot
      Yoshkin Kot 3 August 2013 19: 10
      +1
      what ??? the meaning of this idea is simple, Mr. Khazin, like a Gaidar, a goose with a birch, etc. form to them. Bronstein and other Rosenfelds, want to again become members of the Politburo and rob the goyim
  2. treskoed
    treskoed 22 July 2013 07: 40
    -9
    It was already - perestroika, 500 days, doubling of GDP! Another Utopia.
    1. Avenger711
      Avenger711 22 July 2013 08: 24
      -6
      A doubling of GDP would be carried out if it were not for the crisis of 2008. Just in 2010, 200% by rel. by the 2000s they were leaving.
      1. Ustas
        Ustas 22 July 2013 09: 20
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        Quote: Avenger711
        Doubling of GDP would be carried out if it were not for the crisis of 2008.

        That and then it, "if not for the crisis." The current crisis is an external factor. And if the Russian economy did not depend on the Fed's policy, and the national currency did not depend on the amount of greens in the country's Reserve Fund, then there would be a doubling.
        1. the polar
          the polar 22 July 2013 09: 39
          +9
          Quote: Ustas
          Quote: Avenger711
          Doubling of GDP would be carried out if it were not for the crisis of 2008.

          That and then it, "if not for the crisis." The current crisis is an external factor. And if the Russian economy did not depend on the Fed's policy, and the national currency did not depend on the amount of greens in the country's Reserve Fund, then there would be a doubling.

          If only, if only ... But who, if not the current government, has pulled in and continues to drag Russia into the global crisis, exchanging strategic raw materials for cut paper ...
          1. Sea snake
            Sea snake 22 July 2013 09: 48
            +8
            Quote: Polar
            ... exchanging strategic raw materials for cut paper ...

            Exactly!

            smile
            1. cosmos111
              cosmos111 22 July 2013 10: 30
              12 th
              You are wrong, all foreign exchange earnings are used to modernize the army, purchase the latest types of weapons and design promising ones.
              The reform of the Russian Academy of Sciences has begun, science will be separated from commercial activity. And all under the wise leadership of Vladimir Vladimirovich Putin. I think that the President of Russia can do a lot for the 2 presidential term. It can even create the USSR-2. And choose a worthy receiver.
              1. SIT
                SIT 22 July 2013 10: 58
                +4
                Quote: cosmos111
                You are wrong, all foreign exchange earnings are used to modernize the army, purchase the latest types of weapons and design promising ones.

                What are you !? Well, then release Vasilyeva and the other girls Serdyukov. Why mock women and allow them to go to boutiques under arrest only 2 times a week? Well, to Serdyukov himself to give the order what thread for special merits.
              2. Sea snake
                Sea snake 22 July 2013 11: 22
                +2
                Quote: cosmos111
                You're not right ,all foreign exchange proceeds are used to modernize the army, purchase the latest types of weapons and design promising ones.

                smile You are probably an idealist, if you write like that ... or even live in another country (this is more like the truth).
                If all foreign exchange earnings were invested in INDUSTRIALIZATION and in the development of the country, then the question of whether something needs to be changed would not have stood.
                Most of the foreign exchange earnings are still settling "beyond the cordon".
                1. cosmos111
                  cosmos111 22 July 2013 12: 44
                  -6
                  Quote: Sea Snake
                  Most of the foreign exchange earnings are still settling "beyond the cordon".

                  So far, for Carbon. But after the World Forum in St. Petersburg2. 23.06.2013 The results of the XVII St. Petersburg International Economic Forum. Refusal of motitaris policy in the financial system of Russia.
                  Joining the WTO and increasing the competitiveness of Russian industry.
                  An innovative approach to the formation of a new economy in the Russian regions.
                  Stimulating investment to accelerate economic growth.
                  Capitalism is at stake: social state or global competitiveness. NEP, Putin's new economic policy.
                  Soon, the entire population of Russia will feel these new economic policies. The growth of the living standards of Russians.
                2. cdrt
                  cdrt 22 July 2013 15: 52
                  -6
                  Actually, it seems like there are no special examples when foreign exchange earnings from the export of raw materials were invested in industrialization.
                  If, in principle, look for similar examples in history.
                  1. The USSR 1928-1935 is not the fact that an example is more an example of pre-war mobilization, given that the same museum was robbed, a couple of million people were starved to death. Such things are, after all, preparations for war. Now, no matter how paranoia tormented, nuclear weapons can ensure the survival of the political system without such mobilization
                  2. USA at the end of the 19th century and beginning of the 20th century. - Perhaps a suitable example. But there the entrepreneurial climate was such that it was more profitable to develop production within the country (i.e., not our option at all)
                  3. Holland (1960-70s). An example of the opposite. Even the term was given a name - "Dutch disease". This is when, in a free economy, resource-extracting industries accelerate salaries, inflation and actually "squeeze" the manufacturing industries out of the country. Actually, in many ways it is in the 200s.
              3. anip
                anip 22 July 2013 12: 16
                +4
                Quote: cosmos111
                The reform of the Russian Academy of Sciences has begun; science will be separated from commercial activity.

                Yes, they will. The question is who and how will engage in this commercial activity. Stopudovo will be put in charge of the "commercial activities" of the next Taburetkin. Of course, there is still an undisturbed field.

                Quote: cosmos111
                And all under the wise leadership of Vladimir Vladimirovich Putin.

                Well, yes, everything is under his leadership.

                Quote: cosmos111
                I think that during the 2 presidential term, the President of Russia will manage to do a lot. Maybe even create the USSR-2. And choose a worthy receiver.

                Exactly, he will. But why, earlier, for two terms of the presidency and one term of premiership, didn’t GDP somehow manage to do anything sensible? How so, 13 years in power and - zilch?
                1. cosmos111
                  cosmos111 22 July 2013 13: 15
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                  Quote: anip

                  For some reason, GDP failed to do anything sensible? How so, 13 years in power and - zilch?

                  I am not a Kremlin politician. But in my opinion, both internal and external enemies of Russia interfered.
                  Russia, under the leadership of Vladimir Putin, is gradually, step by step, rising from its knees.
                  What kind of Universiade was held in Kazan. How many gold medals were won, how did the prestige of Russia rise in the world. Sochi Olympics is the first in the history of Russia, and how it will raise the prestige of Russia in the world.
                  1. Dim btv
                    Dim btv 22 July 2013 16: 29
                    +6
                    Funds spent on the Olympics and the Universiade were urgently needed for industrialization. But this is not yet visible. Changing the investment climate does not require financial expenses at all, but this is not done either.
                    In the Kuban, girls in national costumes collect alms from vacationers for a program to help sick children "Flower-seven-flower". Against this background, the costs of the Olympics and projects such as "Ataman" and "Kuban" look cynical.
                    The country's leadership, as always, has a contradictory task: to raise the prestige, economy and defense capability without infringing on the interests of a high-ranking crook. This problem probably has no solution under the given initial conditions. This is the reason for precisely such results of the leadership of the GDP, and not for others. Perhaps there are also restrictions "from outside". So the results are weak, but the conditions are difficult.
                  2. aviamed90
                    aviamed90 22 July 2013 17: 20
                    +7
                    cosmos111

                    I have a feeling that the main enemy of the authorities is our people.
                    Wow, the authorities are leading us to the "bright future", and the people are getting in the way!
                    What are you looking for enemies everywhere?

                    About the Universiade - surprised! Well spent! And what?
                    We have raised GDP, improved health care, education, reduced taxes? ...
                  3. creak
                    creak 22 July 2013 17: 50
                    +9
                    The prestige of the state is determined not by the number of gold medals, but by the standard of living of its citizens, care for the elderly and children (we have more homeless children than after the war), the absence of slums (the president had to say: "Well, our people should not live in such conditions." us that all these problems have been solved or are close to being solved? The glitter of gold medals will not overshadow the true state of affairs and there is no need to try to pass off the wishful thinking, not the times they say, people see and understand everything.
              4. George
                George 23 July 2013 04: 55
                0
                Quote: cosmos111
                And choose a decent receiver.

          2. badabing
            badabing 22 July 2013 17: 06
            -1
            Quote: Polar
            Quote: Ustas
            Quote: Avenger711
            Doubling of GDP would be carried out if it were not for the crisis of 2008.

            That and then it, "if not for the crisis." The current crisis is an external factor. And if the Russian economy did not depend on the Fed's policy, and the national currency did not depend on the amount of greens in the country's Reserve Fund, then there would be a doubling.

            If only, if only ... But who, if not the current government, has pulled in and continues to drag Russia into the global crisis, exchanging strategic raw materials for cut paper ...

            it is very "not smart" to blame everything on the current government, they hooked us on "their finances" for a long time, when the expression "iron curtain" just came into use
            an interesting fact - back in the year 57, Kosygin sold out to De Beers and poher ... l our entire diamond industry, which, incidentally, could whip up the financial empire of the West in an instant ..
            http://forum-msk.org/material/economic/5456372.html
        2. cdrt
          cdrt 22 July 2013 15: 25
          +5
          That and then it, "if not for the crisis." The current crisis is an external factor. And if the Russian economy did not depend on the Fed's policy, and the national currency did not depend on the amount of greens in the country's Reserve Fund, then there would be a doubling.


          How can an economy not depend on an external crisis, the main part of the export income of which falls on metals, oil, gas?
          Just how does this "if" fit in your head with the fact that economic policy throughout the entire 200X is an increase in the export of raw materials, a reduction (de facto) in the share of the manufacturing industry, import substitution of the last redistribution?
          The whole slogan of "doubling" was proclaimed precisely for increasing the export of raw materials ...
  3. valokordin
    valokordin 22 July 2013 07: 45
    18
    Quote: Alexanderlaskov
    The idea is good! Deserves close attention. Take all the good with the USSR and discard all the bad.

    To the author of the minute, see how a bad omen is singing to return, and if you are afraid, then remember another sign: "Returned, look in the mirror" and you will understand, you will see everything yourself, you will understand everything, you will see everything there. The project is remarkable, but difficult to implement, the bourgeoisie has painfully penetrated deeply into power and politics. The consciousness of people is still difficult, but it is possible and necessary to change especially the younger generation. The Communists need their own central television channel and radio, and for this they need to find money. After all, the bourgeoisie have dozens of their channels. We need at least one.
    1. Very old
      Very old 22 July 2013 09: 05
      +4
      Dear Forum colleague, Vladimir. I would agree with you, but one circumstance interferes - history gave the communists a chance. How did they use it? I am ready to support them even now, but I know that, just like before, "new communists" will appear. Do you know this expression? Russia is once again losing out in historical development. And how long will we be an example country of how it CANNOT live? There are always those who are "attached", weathercocks who know only their own immediate benefit. The consciousness of people, as you say, needs to be changed. How in the modern world?
      1. aviamed90
        aviamed90 22 July 2013 17: 29
        +4
        Very old

        Yes. You're right. The chance was given to the communists. And for 70 years there have been results.

        But now this chance is also given to the capitalists!

        And what are the results? For 22 years?
    2. strange and pretty meaningless
      strange and pretty meaningless 22 July 2013 12: 30
      +4
      Ю
      Quote: valokordin
      The consciousness of people is still difficult, but it is possible and necessary to change especially the younger generation.

      Do not flatter yourself about a "new" generation. Probably the USSR is not at all today's youth, huddled in small families and rented huts.
      1. aviamed90
        aviamed90 23 July 2013 13: 03
        0
        strange and pretty meaningless

        Yes. But the majority of young people support the existing "status quo". And he doesn't want to change.
        Unlike the "non-young" generation.
        1. strange and pretty meaningless
          strange and pretty meaningless 23 July 2013 14: 25
          0
          Quote: aviamed90
          But the majority of young people support the existing "status quo". And he doesn't want to change.
          Unlike the "non-young" generation.

          I disagree. It is among young people that an interest in the Soviet past awakens, which they did not find. And young people are beginning to take an interest in the "non-young" - why, if in the USSR it was FREE of charge, which is now NOT ACCESSIBLE to many, these "non-young" (not all, but the MOST) still mock the deceased USSR. The fuse of the "intelligentsia's kitchens" has not dissipated in everyone, the "bloody Stalin" is still seen by pensioners. Not to everyone, but to the majority.
          But the "non-young" are for "stability". For raising pensions. Although, by and large, they get exactly what they deserve. The unborn children will have to pay tribute for their obedience. And it is the young who will have to step into the abyss of the impending troubled crisis. Now everything depends on them.
  4. George
    George 22 July 2013 07: 47
    40
    Hello all.
    Returning is a bad omen.

    So maybe in vain we returned to capitalism, huh?
    1. LION
      LION 22 July 2013 08: 36
      +7
      And this is not capitalism. This is with us, some other "ism"
      1. Very old
        Very old 22 July 2013 09: 08
        +6
        And completely ugly
      2. valokordin
        valokordin 22 July 2013 11: 50
        +2
        Quote: LION
        And this is not capitalism. This is with us, some other "ism"

        This is bourgeois with a perverted wolf's grin, and yet they shook the air about the human face of ki.
      3. strange and pretty meaningless
        strange and pretty meaningless 22 July 2013 12: 35
        +5
        Quote: LION
        And this is not capitalism. This is with us, some other "ism"

        Exactly. This is Onan's sin. Here and there, back. And each subsequent movement in the other direction.
    2. Very old
      Very old 22 July 2013 09: 07
      +1
      Remember the man who spoke of convergence
    3. alex13-61
      alex13-61 22 July 2013 14: 44
      +2
      Quote: GEORGE
      So maybe in vain we returned to capitalism, huh?

      Because everything develops in a spiral ... we returned ... but we will also return to socialism, by the same law ... only in a more mature version, without experiments at the beginning of the 20th century.
    4. Ulan
      Ulan 22 July 2013 17: 00
      +4
      I personally think that in vain. The system had a huge margin of safety and did not outlive itself at all and was not unviable.
      Of course, any system should be changed and modernized, and our system had enormous potential for modernization. But what Gorbi and Co. created with it is not at all modernization and restructuring, it is sabotage.
      But there are those who yell that the system supposedly has outlived itself.
      Nothing of the kind, what was her margin of safety, is understandable by the fact that for 20 years they have not been able to completely destroy it and continue to live at her expense.
      What is built now, the name for this probably has not yet been invented.
  5. serge-68-68
    serge-68-68 22 July 2013 07: 50
    +2
    The idea is beautiful. You can even ignore the fact that, as Khazin noted, the transition from the "Orthodox" to the "red" project was somewhat harsh (in my opinion, it was this transition + 2nd World War that undermined the forces of Russia). But at the moment this is a utopia. The "Red Project" is not going anywhere. No resources. Its natural engine - Russia - is in a demographic crisis and is just beginning to rise. The "yellow project" will explode (the "western" will not give "green").
    1. Very old
      Very old 22 July 2013 09: 11
      +2
      the "western" sits on two chairs today. And I have not yet decided on which one to sit with a full (seat), otherwise the moderator will cut
    2. SIT
      SIT 22 July 2013 11: 07
      +4
      Quote: serge-68-68
      the transition from the "Orthodox" to the "red" project was somewhat harsh (in my opinion, it was this transition + 2nd World War that undermined the forces of Russia

      This transition was conceived for this. RI did not have a national bank according to the Rothschild model. Rubles printed the state and provided them with gold. It is impossible to involve such a country in theft through global economic crises. Moreover, at the time of the crisis, everyone can grab onto its currency as stable and secured. Accordingly, such a country had to be destroyed and at the same time still rob, which was done. Where Kolchak’s gold went, for which the Allies gave it to the KGB, is still unknown for certain.
  6. Gardamir
    Gardamir 22 July 2013 07: 55
    28
    The red project is not a comeback, it is a step forward taking into account the mistakes of the past.
    1. Lantau
      Lantau 22 July 2013 08: 57
      +3
      Totally agree with you!!!
    2. Very old
      Very old 22 July 2013 09: 13
      +1
      Who will take it? Entangled in oputins
    3. Gato
      Gato 22 July 2013 10: 13
      +1
      Quote: Gardamir
      this is a step forward taking into account the mistakes of the past.

      I also completely agree, history has the property to develop in a spiral
      1. ben gun
        ben gun 22 July 2013 10: 22
        0
        The main thing is that the returned story does not return as a farce.
    4. ben gun
      ben gun 22 July 2013 10: 20
      0
      Totally agree!
  7. Metlik
    Metlik 22 July 2013 07: 57
    12
    "Firstly, the Red Project in the USSR had different versions: Lenin's, then Stalin's, then Khrushchev's and the Politburo of the CPSU Central Committee."
    While the country had a leader: Lenin, Stalin, even Khrushchev - there was development. When the Politburo began to hide behind Brezhnev’s patient, and no one wanted to take responsibility, the country was doomed.
    1. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 22 July 2013 08: 45
      0
      Quote: Metlik
      While the country had a leader: Lenin, Stalin, even Khrushchev - there was development.

      With Stalin, yes, with Khrushchev, it’s debatable with Lenin what kind of development the country has had, complete degradation.
      Quote: Metlik
      When the Politburo began to hide behind Brezhnev’s patient, and no one wanted to take responsibility, the country was doomed.

      Under Brezhnev we lived poorly, poorly, and the country was doomed with the advent of Gorbachev. How old are you, what is writing? Or are you from ardent Leninists, if so then everything is clear.
      1. Metlik
        Metlik 22 July 2013 09: 03
        17
        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        With Stalin, yes, with Khrushchev, it’s debatable with Lenin what kind of development the country has had, complete degradation.

        Degradation was a consequence of the reign of Nicholas II. Lenin inherited the following: war with Germany, civil war, terrorism, ruined economy. I'm not a fan of Lenin, but as Vysotsky said, "There are few real violent ones - there are no leaders :)". Lenin was able to create a team, make people believe in an idea, and lead them. At the same time, he laid the foundations for future development - remember at least the GOELRO plan.
        P.S. I am 42 years old.
        1. Alexander Romanov
          Alexander Romanov 22 July 2013 09: 44
          -2
          Quote: Metlik
          civil war, terrorism,

          Lenin, but was it not he who led the Reds or did he not take part in it at all?
          Further terrorism, and not if his brother was executed for terrorism? He is terrorism itself, only terror he called revolutionary action. By the way, Lenin finished off the economy, and then in the blood he crushed peasant riots.
          Quote: Metlik
          . Lenin was able to create a team,

          Give the names and surnames of his team and for one tell me on whose money he created this team and who helped him in this.
          Quote: Metlik
          P.S. I am 42 years old.

          I'm 37, but there's a gap between us hi
          1. Alexander Romanov
            Alexander Romanov 22 July 2013 09: 57
            +1
            Only one person expressed his opinion the opposite, the rest really hurts his eyes yes or nothing to say wink
          2. valokordin
            valokordin 22 July 2013 11: 54
            +1
            Quote: Alexander Romanov
            I'm 37, but there's a gap between us hi

            I am 67 years old, the gulf between us really has already fallen.
            1. Alexander Romanov
              Alexander Romanov 22 July 2013 11: 56
              -2
              Quote: valokordin
              indeed, the gulf between us has settled.

              there is an abyss of age, but there is a mental abyss .You about what wink
        2. Dober
          Dober 22 July 2013 10: 48
          -9
          Quote: Metlik
          Lenin was able to create a team, make him believe in the idea, lead him.

          Ha-ha-ha ... Was this this big guy, who vehemently hates everything RUSSIAN, was he able to "create a team"? Did he lead him?
          Whom and where? This, and to this day, stinking corpse was itself created by the "Frankensteins", set against the whole people, who gave everything to him, and led him into the abyss. Then again, Russia was saved by higher powers, who drove his brains out for his "idea".
          Bolshevism is supposed to be contagious. Having read not at the time of the philosopher Marx, this "philosopher Ulyanov-blank, apparently, picked up and" explain ", and most importantly" remake "the world that has not been explained, not understood. From the" best "motives, of course. But in whose interests?
          How many times have I said that I myself am ready to come and throw out this Jewish totem "from one wall to another." Berl-lazar's suitcase. Moishe khazin and the rest of the apologists of everything "red" (here to bleat, this color of bloody symbols does not come out of their heads in any way), are invited to follow the box with Lenin, solemnly howling "international". While voluntarily.
          Quote: Metlik
          P.S. I am 42 years old.

          I am 38. And there is WAR between us.
          1. Dober
            Dober 22 July 2013 14: 46
            0
            So I thought when I provoked "true Leninophiles" with my writings. But, apparently, whoever is younger do not understand the true goals of the "LENINSKAYA" (not Stalinist) revolution, and the fathers and grandfathers dropped their jaws, reading such "sacrilege" about the dead "LEADER OF THE MIG POLETAGIAT".
            Before "pressing on" - ", distract from kissing the shiny blank forehead and justify the position.
            1. regsSSSR
              regsSSSR 22 July 2013 18: 18
              0
              Yes, I loved the USSR! Yes, I liked living in this country! Yes, I am very saddened by its collapse and yes, I really would like to return there !! and you are a comrade provocatorss (you wrote that you live in Europe and Israel hi ) please forgive me and where is Russia on this list belay (why do you have the banner of Russia fluttering?) and anticipating your next question I’ll answer yes Russia is not Europe and is only listed on a territorial basis and only up to the Urals and most of it is Asia! so calling us europe will be politically incorrect hi and by the way, I have not seen a multitude of Israelis of European descent (I note that I use only your laid out information and I do not set goals to offend and provoke you) that would support Marx Lenin and God forbid Stalin and just do the idea of ​​creating a USSR 2.0 project on the territory of Russia and there are such among your brother but I have not fallen! but just do your ethnos is very famous for provocation so that you don’t distort and slander our history, whatever it is ours and we can dream of living around everything apparently you have a different one so please!
              1. regsSSSR
                regsSSSR 22 July 2013 18: 24
                +1
                oh yeah completely forgot
                I'm 35 and the universe is visible between us hi
                1. Dober
                  Dober 22 July 2013 20: 44
                  -1
                  Quote: regressSSSR
                  I'm 35 and the universe is visible between us

                  This is both good and bad at the same time.
                  Bad, so we'll never meet. Not at a table covered with newspapers with "low budget" snacks and drinks. Bad, it means that neither I nor those like me will ever return to permanent residence in an unknown empire. Either in the Khazar, or in the Asian. And there will be no Russian, unfortunately with the factors that develop in this way.
                  Well, then you don’t have to fight in the full sense of the word. After all, bullets and shells do not fly through the universe. Only intangible thoughts.
              2. Dober
                Dober 22 July 2013 20: 35
                +3
                All told about me. It was interesting to read. And now my version. In order.
                I was born and "raised" in the USSR too. And I owe him everything that I have now. And I have, believe me, a lot. From the material. Two apartments in Russia, one in Israel, a rented house in Germany, a bank account for buying a house (I don't know where yet). And so, in the form of vehicles a little.
                From intangible. An excellent education received in the USSR, sports awards from international competitions, when I played in the teams of the USSR and Russia.
                Russian citizenship and Orthodox baptism adopted at the age of about 2-3 months. from birth. The baptism is secret, not from relatives, but from the party chiefs of parents who worked in considerable leadership positions at that time.
                Israelis (current?) Of European origin, have "seen" more than once, and even have such among my relatives, and even sometimes contact some of them via Skype. When the hunt, in a certain language, "troll" on the subject CASH nationality.
                And "the Russian banner flutters," because the provider is Moscow. I use their services more often, less pay, faster traffic to Russian resources. Well, sometimes I also use a flash modem in my laptop, which I bought last March in Moscow. Just...
                But further from your post, excuse me, I didn’t understand anything. Not about "your brother", not about "your ethnicity". Moreover, I did not understand grammar. Can explain in more detail. At the same time, my whole family, as well as I who have RUSSIAN citizenship, were born in the USSR (wife) and Russia (older kid).

                Somewhere I said at least one bad word about my "SSSER childhood" or blasphemed Russian history? Maybe your conviction is that the arrival of Lenin and his Jewish gang was a blessing for "bastard" Russia, or the current "Lenin-Udaltsovs" are somehow radically different from their revolutionary grandfathers in their outlook. Do you want another "USSR ver2.0" and remember after what events it arose? And how much time passed from the arrival of the Bolsheviks to the so-called. "industrial boom"? And between these events, decalitres of blood. Russian blood! Think now you will be given this time. And the khazins are ready to shed even more blood. The same, Russian ...

                PS
                "When you say, Ivan Vasilich, it seems to me that you are delusional ..." (c) hi
                1. Yarosvet
                  Yarosvet 22 July 2013 22: 42
                  0
                  Quote: Dober
                  Do you want another "USSR ver2.0" and remember after what events it arose? And how much time passed from the arrival of the Bolsheviks to the so-called. "industrial boom"? And between these events, decalitres of blood. Russian blood! Think now you will be given this time. And the khazins are ready to shed even more blood. The same, Russian ...

                  What a subtle substitution of concepts lol
                  1. Dober
                    Dober 22 July 2013 23: 45
                    0
                    Quote: Yarosvet
                    What a subtle substitution of concepts

                    As far as I know, as a graduate of 3 (!) Universities, such conciseness is inherent in the inhabitants of only one historical area. Your nickname in no way complies with the names of the inhabitants of that Laconic.
                    We make a brief conclusion. Your question does not reflect the essence of the question, or was it too lazy to fill letters.
                    "Toon" I refer to the presence of symptoms of acute respiratory infections (easier than coughing). I wish a speedy recovery.
                    About the "thickness of concepts" please explain ??? hi
                    1. Yarosvet
                      Yarosvet 23 July 2013 00: 23
                      0
                      Quote: Dober
                      Your question does not reflect ...
                      Sometimes education is excessive, as a result of which a person ceases to distinguish a question from a replica.

                      About the "thickness of concepts" please explain ???
                      And why not?

                      I especially liked this:
                      Quote: Dober
                      Do you want another "USSR ver2.0" and remember after what events it arose?
                      And everyone immediately wondered if the blood of the innocent victims was worth all the benefits of the Union. laughing

                      Perhaps you got a little lost in time, but the double of the Union has not yet arisen - this is the first.

                      And the second - where did you get the idea that everything will be repeated as it was the last time? Have you been told about this by the hazins (to which you probably belong)?
                      1. Dober
                        Dober 23 July 2013 01: 58
                        0
                        Quote: Yarosvet
                        Sometimes education is excessive, as a result of which ...

                        Shnyaga at the level of unsatisfied acne.
                        Education is not redundant, but it can be "pre-financed". But this is not my merit or your fault.
                        Quote: Yarosvet
                        And everyone immediately wondered if the blood of the innocent victims was worth all the benefits of the Union. laughing

                        You should smile, but for me it's a tragedy. Costs of "revolution" when "the lower classes do not want". In the sense of learning from mistakes ...
                        Quote: Yarosvet
                        Perhaps you are a little lost in time, but the Union double has not yet arisen

                        Thank God, dear !!! And I say the same thing all day. May God give us not to live to the time when the fathers of the children bury.
                        Quote: Yarosvet
                        What will happen again as it was the last time?

                        I will refer you to Sevastyanov. There, brother, you will find all the questions. By the way. He does not prejudice "Rodnovers" and "New Speakers" in any way, despite his repeated emphasis on adherence to Orthodoxy. Read, try to understand "What is the strength of a brother."

                        And you are my brother (here you can swear and vomit), but time will tell who will go on the attack with a cross, and who will throw the "yellow washcloth symbolizing the sun" when they stick their heels in the ass at the sight of a merkava or abrams.
                        "What is the strength, brother? ..." Forget it. Not in money, but exclusively in association. Who benefits from our tobo srachilovo .... Got it?
                        To me?
                        You?
                        Moshe or Ize?
                        So ... And you, sickly -
                        Quote: Yarosvet
                        Have you been told about this by the hazins (to which you probably belong)?

                        Let's go to the PM, we'll grind it ... hi
                      2. Yarosvet
                        Yarosvet 23 July 2013 02: 55
                        +1
                        Why in PM? Come on here - let the people suck in your revelations.

                        Quote: Dober
                        Shnyaga at the level of unsatisfied acne.
                        With this it is clear - the 3rd education apparently completely discourages the ability to understand sarcasm.

                        Quote: Yarosvet
                        You would smile, but for me tragedy.
                        I believe.

                        Quote: Yarosvet
                        May God give us not to live to the time when the fathers of the children bury.
                        And this is how lucky. In general, there is a certain likelihood that Israel will disappear - are you therefore scurrying about?

                        I will send to Sevastyanov.
                        I myself am able to send - you better tell me what kind of devil you roamed with neo-pagans.

                        And you are my brother (here you can swear and vomit), but time will tell who will go on the attack with a cross, and who will throw the "yellow washcloth symbolizing the sun" when they stick their heels in the ass at the sight of a merkava or abrams.
                        Somewhere we are on the attack, with an ass put on the heel, should they go - to Megiddo, or on the Central Russian plain (and why are you all wedging on crosses and rotifers)?

                        Who benefits from our tobos srachilovo .... Got it?
                        Nope - somehow clumsily you spell out the truths.

                        And you, sick -
                        So the khazins.

                        Or the Anunahs themselves ?! laughing
              3. regsSSSR
                regsSSSR 23 July 2013 03: 58
                +1
                Dober
                regsSSSR
                I'm 35 and the universe is visible between us



                yes, I agree, I went too far and made the wrong conclusions! accept my apologies hi I really didn’t want to personally touch you, just didn’t like your provocation with our common history, what kind of ours it is all the same to us and we live with it and having connected it with your data, I got this version well, you also understand here the contingent is also different there is who! and judging by your frank comment you are a good person and for me this is the main thing and let's try to forget about the universe between us drinks By the way, I also went in for professional sports as a speed skater for about seven years, then after the final collapse of the union, I dropped out somewhere in the year 94. about itoriya, yes, it’s difficult, all this is of course (I’ll briefly outline it shortly) the Reds' coming to power is certainly not laid out with roses, but they were able to build a really powerful empire regardless of the whole world, and the miserable throwing that we now have is no comparison with the achievements of the union! Of course, it’s already clear that someone will not let build USSR2.0 now, and probably already will not receive time anymore, but it’s a pity and probably how many times the soldiers and officers of the tsarist army with heartache left the Russian Empire always dying before their eyes! and I like them, too, I’m terribly sorry for the loss of a completely different Soviet empire in the spirit of which I myself was brought up (in general, the most valuable thing that we lost in the union is people who could bring up this era of honest, hardworking, sympathetic people who are somehow naive but good on the whole, there will probably be no more time and this is a pity for the new era; such people are not needed; they are not needed by this system; they do not fit into it and I just don’t really believe that anything good will come out of all this mess created in the country and probably stuck with me nastolgia for the old days, but wait and see, of course we’re not desperate, we hope to work and hope that it’s worthwhile and will come out of this mess)) sorry again hi
            2. shpuntik
              shpuntik 23 July 2013 02: 01
              0
              RegSSSSR SU Yesterday, 18:18 ↑
              Yes, I loved the USSR!

              I apologize for the interference, but the opinion of the priest Dmitry Smirnov, are you not interested?
              1. regsSSSR
                regsSSSR 24 July 2013 04: 08
                +1
                Quote: shpuntik
                RegSSSSR SU Yesterday, 18:18 ↑
                Yes, I loved the USSR!

                I apologize for the intervention, but the opinion of the priest Dmitry Smirnov, you are not interested


                nothing join the site for this and is done so that everyone freely expresses their opinion hi you probably decided that I was an ardent Leninist, I want to disappoint you, this is not entirely true, and I read enough literature on this topic! and if I were born in the times of the Russian Empire and don’t know, in the name of some Soviet Union, I would most likely fight on the side of the White Guard, but I was born now and I was brought up by this time and saw what peaks the USSR reached and therefore I am a patriot of this particular state created by real people! it was a powerful jerk forward in all winds and if it weren’t for the collapse of the union, I’m just one hundred percent sure that we would have already mastered Mars and torn further into space (and I’ll assure the economy) And SO WE SIMPLY ALL INSUELFULLY DRAINED THE WORKS OF MILLION PEOPLE and this is a betrayal! and by the way, believe me that America reached such heights only due to the fact that it pursued the USSR without the incentive that our country gave, America would not have reached the time limit for what they now have a completely different way of life (and the main rhetorical question is why all the same the Reds won And right? was there a white army and all the same they lost what’s the matter? PEOPLE MADE A CHOICE then many might want their decision, but it was too late a choice was made and the new empire got a chance to exist for as many as seventy years! EIGHTY YEARS! one man Ceska life and what was the result! Shas and twenty years, and no nicherta just do nothing than can be proud of! govarilnya one all day and where to Mars and where?
        3. Metlik
          Metlik 22 July 2013 15: 29
          +1
          Quote: Dober
          Between us is WAR.

          2000 years of war. Maybe we should pause, read a good book, for example, of the same Marx, and then talk - we will always have time to kill each other.

          I do not claim that Lenin was a genius; I do not say that he ruled the country well. It sometimes even seems to me that he was not a particularly intelligent person. But he was a true leader. And there are very few such people. And for the state it is much better to be with a bad but decisive ruler than with a good but limp.
          As for the team - he found a successor - Stalin. This speaks for itself about its ability to value people.
          1. Dober
            Dober 22 July 2013 16: 14
            0
            [quote = Metlik] 2000 years of war. Maybe we should pause, read a good book, for example, of the same Marx, and then talk - we always have time to kill each other. [/ Quote]
            That two thousand, here is your truth. And the end-edge is not visible. But I will not say that, fortunately. In the fight, the character is forged.
            They just don't give us a pause. All the same "two thousand". Go back to history (or to meteorology), after calm the storm is always stronger.
            I would advise you to book A.N., Sevastyanova.
            [quote] Alexander Nikitich SEVASTYANOV (b. 1954) - candidate of philological sciences, member of the Union of Writers of Russia, president of the League for the Protection of the National Heritage, deputy chairman of the All-Slavic Union of Journalists, member of the Central Council of the Spas movement, editor-in-chief of the National Newspaper. He is the author of the books National Capitalism (M., 1995), National Democracy (M., 1996), the initiator of the Russian Constitution and the bill “On the Divided Position of the Russian Nation and its Right to Reunion” (see the book. Russian project. ”- M., 1998). [/ Quote]
            So he has reflections on the reasons for the emergence and analysis of the consequences of both the Revolution of 1905 and the future promised to us, allegedly "raising the nation (which one?) To a new level."
            With the word "war" I did not want to show the need to shoot or cut literally other others, but an ideological war, with the impossibility of reconciliation on my part. [Quote = Metlik] I am not saying that Lenin was a genius, I am not saying that he managed well country. Sometimes it even seems to me that he was not a particularly smart person. But he was a real leader. And there are very few such people. [/ Quote]
            Do you seriously believe that it was Lenin who ruled the country at that time? And there were no Trotsky, parvuses and the like, hanging around next to Lenin in Germany and Switzerland?
            I would understand the obstinacy in this matter of some splendid gray-haired, decorated with awards, veteran, recalling his revolutionary youth. But from a 40-year-old man who uses documents from the Internet and has the opportunity to receive "on his sub-corpus" different opinions about the activities of those Leninists.
            Then ...
            I also do not understand your conviction that there are "few" like this form. Yes, they were always in abundance at all times and in all countries. But under some, for example in Russia, the country and the nation consolidated and made such successes, which other states looked at with drooling eyes, with envy and hatred. Was it like that under Lenin? And the Russian intelligentsia, Russian culture, clergy, and the accompanying general decline of society, almost destroyed at the root, are evident!
            And the stories about "the electrification of the whole country with the help of Ilyich's light bulb are just propaganda of that era. Railways, steamships and steam locomotives in Russia appeared before the communists and fully competed with those in the West.
            [quote = Metlik] [quote = Dober] between us WAR. [/ quote]
            2000 years of war. Maybe we should pause, read a good book, for example, of the same Marx, and then talk - we will always have time to kill each other.

            I do not claim that Lenin was a genius; I do not say that he ruled the country well. It sometimes even seems to me that he was not a particularly intelligent person. But he was a true leader. And there are very few such people. And for the state it is much better to be with a bad but decisive ruler than with a good but limp.
            [quote] As for the team - he found a successor - Stalin. This speaks for itself about his ability to evaluate people. [/ Quote]
            Again "ridiculous" ... Where is at least one mention that Lenin saw Stalin as his successor. And how Visarionich qualitatively cleaned up Lenin's comrades-in-arms, or rather ghouls. Here is the current Vladimir to learn and learn ...
            He will not be able to achieve the wrong level, and even "Marxist-Leninist" they know how to learn from their mistakes. Here ...
            1. Metlik
              Metlik 22 July 2013 17: 53
              0
              We spoil the Russian language. We use foreign words unnecessarily. We use them incorrectly. Why say “defects” when you can say flaws, or flaws, or gaps? .. Is it time for us to declare war on the use of foreign words unnecessarily? - On the purification of the Russian language (written in 1919 or 1920; first published on December 3, 1924
              Could Lenin write like that about Russian if he hated everything Russian?
              He did not hate Russians, but our lack of loyalty and hope for power, which the people considered and still consider cattle.
      2. GELEZNII_KAPUT
        GELEZNII_KAPUT 22 July 2013 20: 37
        +1
        Lenin-NEP, read "The Golden Calf" does not resemble anything? wink
    2. Leisure
      Leisure 23 July 2013 09: 48
      0
      I agree. Lenin with homies did things. One fratricide is worth it.
  • krpmlws
    krpmlws 22 July 2013 08: 01
    +5
    The author raises the urgent topic of the left-wing project, although he clearly plays provocatively on the feelings of nostalgia for the USSR and tries to slip a certain surrogate. The eternal value of the socialist idea in social justice, mainly expressed in the elimination of human exploitation by man, the rudiment of slavery. It was this value that inspired generations of communists and sympathizing all over the world. The idea of ​​justice, is alive in all people, especially among Russians. Much depends on the propogandic accompaniment of socialist ideas and in this and There are difficulties in the present, vivid personalities are needed who can convincingly articulate the advantages and value value of socialism. Red ideas and its supporters are actively discredited by the bourgeoisie, therefore the people are confused and do not support socialist parties and associations among themselves. 20th century in Russia in unity, because everyone worked together for a common cause, this is currently not the case. Based on the current situation in the Russian Federation, there are no political prospects for the left movement, but somehow everything is in our hands, for a person makes history.
  • morpogr
    morpogr 22 July 2013 08: 01
    +6
    There should be a union, Kazakhstan and Belarus have already realized this, and the people still remember that together we are stronger and richer. If Ukraine understands its opinions and chooses an alliance with fraternal peoples instead of the role of the EU that is eternally waiting in line who openly humiliate themselves by inventing new rules on the go .If an alliance with such a composition takes place, we may still see people who are disgusted by the EU and its policy of self-destruction of the dictates of Brussels, the law on same-sex marriage, tolerance, decrees from Washington, migrants, etc., for example, Serbs, Greeks, Cyprus maybe even w tlandtsy after independence referendum .o
  • dojjdik
    dojjdik 22 July 2013 08: 05
    +5
    if the USSR recovers what a bummer it will be to the states and Israel - so much money was spent on destroying and destroying such a country and suddenly it will again be restored like a phoenix from the ashes; yes, the person who can unite at least part of the republics under one flag and coat of arms will be a genius
    1. Sea snake
      Sea snake 22 July 2013 08: 29
      12
      Quote: dojjdik
      if the USSR recovers what a bummer will be for the states and Israel, so much money was spent on destroying and destroying such a country ...

      Believe me, to return the USSR you need even more money.
      Breaking - not building, as they say.
      But it is necessary to start doing something, and urgently, while those who found the USSR are still alive ... as long as those teachers, those military men, those experienced workers are alive. People of that education and that "old school" are the true value of Russia.
      1. Alexander Romanov
        Alexander Romanov 22 July 2013 08: 46
        -6
        The USSR will no longer be, another thing will suffer, and judging by the projects of the CU, Evrazes is more ambitious, but how it will be in the end. Wait and see hi
        1. Sea snake
          Sea snake 22 July 2013 09: 20
          +2
          Naturally, the USSR, exactly as it was, will not return. The USSR is a centralized management system ... it will be necessary to nationalize the remaining enterprises. Will the new owners give them back, even if for money? ... a question. Moreover, many of the "Soviet" enterprises are already owned by foreign companies. "Throw them on the dough"? Military intervention will immediately follow.
          Yes, in general, what are we talking about !? ... while the current would-be elected (albeit not all) who write laws "for themselves" sit in the Duma-government, it is impossible to think about something good.
          1. El13
            El13 22 July 2013 13: 14
            +2
            Quote: Sea Snake
            "Throw them on the dough"? Military intervention will immediately follow.

            It is precisely for this, the thought of me, that the army is being renewed, so that later it can calmly carry out nationalization ... only shhhh
      2. Very old
        Very old 22 July 2013 09: 15
        0
        Unfortunately, the ones you named do not solve anything
        1. Alexander Romanov
          Alexander Romanov 22 July 2013 09: 45
          +1
          Ha cool, my fans are all on the site, the minuses are sculpted. May return laughing
          1. Karabin
            Karabin 22 July 2013 10: 09
            10
            Quote: Alexander Romanov
            cons sculpt.

            One is mine. Well, I do not agree with you about the fact that "it is different and judging by the CU projects, Evrazes is more ambitious." A surrogate, fake integration, a way to promote the interests of business structures close to the authorities, including foreign ones in the Republic of Ingushetia. The process is proceeding neither shaky nor badly because the Nazarbayev clan has its own business structures, and Father as he can fight off the type of Russian oligarchs. All the fuss is started for the sake of promoting selfish interests.
            1. Alexander Romanov
              Alexander Romanov 22 July 2013 10: 28
              +3
              Quote: Karabin
              Mine alone.

              I know wink
              Quote: Karabin
              Well, I do not agree with you about the fact that "it is different and judging by the CU projects, Evrazes is more ambitious."

              Why? It is now difficult and impossible to say how many countries will eventually join the CU. With the further EU degradation, the CU will become even more attractive even for the same Bulgaria and some other European countries. The Eurases project can be an alternative to US procts, and it is very significant.
              Quote: Karabin
              Surrogate, fake integration, a way to promote the interests of business structures close to power

              you think on the scale of the EU and the USA, look at the policy of Russia today, it is sufficiently open and honest. I think you will not argue.
              Quote: Karabin
              The process goes neither shaky nor roll

              Remember that 5 years ago they wrote in the newspapers of our liberals and in the west. BRIGS - yes it's just ridiculous, TS - this will never happen. It’s awkward, but history is not being done in a year, everything is changing in the world but not in a year. Look back 10 years ago and see big changes. hi
              1. Karabin
                Karabin 22 July 2013 11: 54
                +9
                Quote: Alexander Romanov
                It is now difficult and impossible to say how many countries will eventually join the CU.

                I agree. But you need to figure out what the TS is now. Three agreed that the customs space would be common and customs duties at external borders are determined by a single policy. On the basis of customs revenues, including the budget of the CU participants was planned. On the basis of protective duties, the domestic production of all participants was protected. Russia is joining the WTO, and you can forget about protective tariffs, not only in Russia, but also in other members of the CU. A vivid example is the almost double reduction in sales of MAZs in the vehicle space. After Russia's entry into the WTO, the idea of ​​a vehicle is simply emasculated.
                Quote: Alexander Romanov
                look at the politics of Russia today, it is fairly open and honest.

                See above.
                Quote: Alexander Romanov
                10 years ago and see big changes

                I do not see any significant changes. From the boltology about the EurAsEC, notice that escalating during the pre-election period, I see only an increase in the number of Gaster, judging by my Novosibirsk outback - a multiple. The BRICS structure is so amorphous, with the goals of the participants often opposite, that it can only be put on a par with ASEAN and other similar associations that have existed for decades.
      3. dojjdik
        dojjdik 22 July 2013 10: 57
        +3
        bullshit - do you really think that in the 17th and 20th years the republics which by then had already united in the union had more money than now? You don’t have to turn the story. You’re not an Israeli propagandist.
    2. Dober
      Dober 22 July 2013 11: 01
      -1
      Quote: dojjdik
      if the USSR recovers what a bummer will be to the states and Israel

      Yeah, "break off" they are not sickly. Not pieces of Russia, but a whole "pie". Is it really not clear that all talk about "building" the "Russian Empire" is initiated by the Jews themselves. Only this territory is called Khazaristan for some reason. Altshuler, M. Rat, M. Oizerman spoke about this in the early 90s. "Khazins" only picked up these tunes.
      the man who can unite at least part of the republics under one flag and coat of arms will be genius

      Only some call it "the coming of Moshiyah" and the rest of the people call it "the coming of Antichrist". Do you want to wait for this? With such thoughts and get it. Judging by the fact that the Jews howled (preliminary propaganda, preparation of cattle) and the beginning of some events (de-repatriation from Israel, the final seizure of all Russian media, etc., soon ...

      How many times I have spoken to Russians in Germany, Sweden and Spain. EVERYONE says - "In Russia, that is," to Russia ", they are ready to come even tomorrow and live for their country and for their people, but in some kind of" empire "where there will be less than half of Russians and where it is unlikely they will be allowed to live - NEVER !!! "
  • KazaK Bo
    KazaK Bo 22 July 2013 08: 14
    17
    Dear author! Well, why so turn the expressed idea! After all, if you write such articles, then I'm sure you've studied PHILOSOPHY! And if they have studied, then they are familiar with the theory of the progressive development of society in a spiral. AND THE SPEECH IS NOT ABOUT RETURN, BUT RETURNING, TRANSITION TO A NEW OTHER, LEVEL TO THE ERA OF SOCIAL EQUALITY! As a result of the development of society in a spiral! This level of social relations, which took into account the mistakes of the past and developed the positive of that society, which you call with hidden irony "RED".
    We won’t return ... but it’s necessary to go to a new level ... And the groaning of SVANIDZE ... MLEKIN (the most vivid critics) of the revival of the prototype of the USSR will not help.
    1. ziqzaq
      ziqzaq 22 July 2013 08: 45
      +1
      Quote: KazaK Bo
      Dear author! Well, why turn over the expressed idea!

      You definitely noticed that, the author dumped everything in a heap ...
    2. Mikhail3
      Mikhail3 22 July 2013 12: 11
      +4
      In general, I agree. Social equality is the only possible basis for a workable future without the mutual extermination of three quarters of mankind (necessary for restarting capitalism). But this equality must inevitably be accompanied by extreme INEQUALITY. Inequality must be in mind and spirit, and it is necessary to solve the boundary problem. It is she who cannot be solved from the beginning of the history we know ...
      It is necessary to provide preferential access to power to those people who are able and possess the ability to use it. And not to those who want power, dream of it, devote their whole lives (and use many other deaths for this) to seize more and more power. Not because I don’t like these people smile But because they do not have the necessary skill. The set of qualities for capturing and holding power is almost nothing like the one needed to effectively use it ....
      Our planet is similar to auto racing, in which the crews of the most powerful cars participate, who got their seats through intrigue, bribery, murder and violence. All this is cool, all this is scary, all this does not leave anyone a chance to tear them from the steering wheel. That's just to drive a racing car it does not help! The laws of nature cannot be bribed, deceived or killed. One cannot even agree with them ... It always fails that the laws of nature are expressed in other people in relations between states and in domestic politics. And to all these kids it always seems that they will cope with people ... So we fight again and again, the whole history of mankind.
      Each time, when the objective requirements of the laws of nature conflict with the desires of those in power, these very haves begin to beat people who are pushed onto the line of confrontation. And this always leads to the same result - contradictions are not resolved, and society is deprived of people who could solve them. All stable societies in famous history have perished for this reason. And it is precisely it that needs to be overcome if we do not want the next reboot of the planet ...
      1. El13
        El13 22 July 2013 13: 21
        +1
        It is this question that is raised in the second book "Project Russia" ...
  • Alexander 1958
    Alexander 1958 22 July 2013 08: 16
    +8
    Good afternoon! The author expressed many interesting comparisons and thoughts, but, as they say, he began for health, and ended for peace! His doubts about the possibilities of the Red Project are based on one statement - to return is a bad omen. He reminds me of a man who goes into a swampy swamp and the further, the more loads in it, but "coming back is a bad omen" So it's better to die than to return? Alexander 1958
  • bart
    bart 22 July 2013 08: 18
    -7
    Quote: morpogr
    There should be a union, Kazakhstan and Belarus have already realized this, and the people still remember that together we are stronger and richer. If Ukraine understands its opinions and chooses an alliance with fraternal peoples instead of the role of the EU that is eternally waiting in line who openly humiliate themselves by inventing new rules on the go .If an alliance with such a composition takes place, we may still see people who are disgusted by the EU and its policy of self-destruction of the dictates of Brussels, the law on same-sex marriage, tolerance, decrees from Washington, migrants, etc., for example, Serbs, Greeks, Cyprus maybe even w tlandtsy after independence referendum .o



    Ukraine once we will not come strong Russophobic sentiment
    1. Very old
      Very old 22 July 2013 09: 21
      11
      Ukraine has always been divided into RIGHT and LEFT-careful. There are those whom my father (Ukrainian to the core) simply despised - they shot in the back when they had to go forward, drive the fascists, there are those who do not separate themselves from Russia
      1. omsbon
        omsbon 22 July 2013 10: 08
        +2
        Quote: Very old
        Ukraine has always been divided into RIGHT and LEFT-careful.

        Dear Valentine! Agree that on the right bank the percentage of supporters of rapprochement with Russia is very high, more than 50%. So maybe you just have to wait?
      2. Gato
        Gato 22 July 2013 10: 22
        +6
        Quote: Very old
        Ukraine has always been divided into LAW and LEFT-careful

        That you give too much to the Galician banderlogs. For example, I live on the right bank of the Dnieper - and completely agree with your esteemed father. And there are a lot of them.
  • Vladimirets
    Vladimirets 22 July 2013 08: 19
    +2
    While reading the article, the brain exploded, I clean the keyboard.
  • avt
    avt 22 July 2013 08: 23
    22
    No Eurases can compare with the USSR. Simply by virtue of the fact that the USSR was essentially a single state - an empire with very specific ideological, economic, organizational and structural components. Evrazes is a club of interests, the CIS number 2. The interests of the participants can change, let's put it mildly about the participants, especially about those who build their independence on a national basis. So in this CIS # 2 under the name of Evrases gather those for whom, firstly, business and nothing personal, and secondly, they are ready to make some compromise in relation to each other, so as not to "disappear one by one", which, as already said, it cannot be compared with the USSR In the face of serious challenges, such as a big war, such a structure will not withstand.
  • Lukich
    Lukich 22 July 2013 08: 25
    +5
    ... when you walk through the rapids, there is a danger of rolling over ...
    ... but there is one more saying - "The road will be mastered by the one walking" ...
  • raja666
    raja666 22 July 2013 08: 40
    +5
    Good article. Yes, we need a new communism, but a communism in which all people will be truly equal in all respects. This communism should be based on the highest spiritual and moral qualities, so that people do not gobble up and strive into space for the stars. In the new communism, selfishness must be defeated.
    1. alex13-61
      alex13-61 22 July 2013 14: 57
      0
      Quote: Raja666
      In the new communism, selfishness must be defeated.

      There is one interesting option on this topic - "Project Venus" is called ...
  • serge
    serge 22 July 2013 08: 44
    14
    Deng Xiaoping: “We are a Communist Party, but we are fundamentally different from the Communist Party of the Soviet Union, which collapsed because we have a different understanding of socialism. For the CPSU, the main task was to build socialism in Angola, Afghanistan, Nicaragua and elsewhere, forgetting that people live a hundred kilometers from Moscow back in the XNUMXth century. And for us it is important how people live a hundred kilometers from Beijing. And how people live in Angola, let the Angolans decide for themselves. "
    1. 6216390
      6216390 22 July 2013 09: 16
      11
      Quote: serge
      Deng Xiaoping: ... we are fundamentally different from the Communist Party of the Soviet Union, which collapsed because we have a different understanding of socialism. For the CPSU, the main task was to build socialism in Angola, Afghanistan, Nicaragua and elsewhere, forgetting that people live a hundred kilometers from Moscow in the XNUMXth century. What is important to us is how people live a hundred kilometers from Beijing. And how they live in Angola, let the Angolans decide for themselves. "

      A that Deng Xiaoping, a wise man.
      1. GELEZNII_KAPUT
        GELEZNII_KAPUT 22 July 2013 20: 49
        +2
        Of course, a wise man, but who sowed the seeds of communist ideas around the world ?! Someone had to do this, and now this business, though not everywhere, but lives ... a viable idea turned out to be, we will return there too, a matter of time!
    2. vBR
      vBR 28 July 2013 02: 20
      0
      If it were not for the wing of the USSR and, in particular, of its war in the third world, China would have to exist to hell now. Of course, Den cuts something in the motivation of labor and the organization of the economy, well, not him to talk about it. Moreover, lying about the XIX century. 100 km from Moscow
  • host
    host 22 July 2013 08: 44
    +4
    The project can be called differently.
    The main thing is that the existing socio-economic relations in the country have completely outlived themselves: the bourgeoisie did not live up to their expectations of raising production, private property and the stratification of the population into classes create social tension in society, the market could not regulate everything.
    A new socially oriented, economically fair project is needed - the Union.
    The evolution of capitalism will go through fascist regimes in all developed countries, led by the United States.
    And this evolution of capitalism is the greatest threat to civilization.
    Russia is simply obliged to offer the world a different path of development.
  • Valery Neonov
    Valery Neonov 22 July 2013 08: 47
    +2
    Oh Sunday, (everyone can notice that without errors), I read it all .... and I understood one thing, I will quote: I would be a wolf
    win
    bureaucracy.
    To mandates
    no respect.
    To any
    to hell with mothers
    roll around
    any piece of paper.
    But this ...
    Along the long front
    compartment
    and cabins
    official
    courteous moves.
    Pass passports
    and I
    rent
    my
    purple little book.
    To one passport -
    smile at the mouth.
    To others -
    attitude is trifling.
    With respect
    take for example
    of the passport
    with double
    English left.
    Eyes
    good uncle vyev,
    without ceasing
    bow,
    take
    as if they were tipping
    passport
    American.
    In Polish -
    look,
    as in a goat's poster.
    In Polish -
    they put out their eyes
    in a tight
    police elephant -
    from where, they say,
    and what is this
    geographic news?
    And without turning
    heads of heads
    and feelings
    no
    without knowing
    take
    without blinking
    passports of the Danes
    and different
    other
    Swedes.
    And suddenly,
    like
    burn
    mouth
    twisted
    mister.
    It
    mister official
    beret
    my
    redskin passport.
    Takes -
    like a bomb
    takes -
    like a hedgehog
    like a razor
    double edged
    beret,
    like explosive
    in 20 stings
    snake
    two-meter high.
    Blinked
    meaningfully
    porter's eye
    though things
    will blow you for free.
    Gendarme
    inquiringly
    looking at the detective
    detective
    on the gendarme.
    What a pleasure
    gendarme caste
    I would be
    whipped and crucified
    for
    what's in my hands
    hammery
    sickly
    Soviet passport.
    I would be a wolf
    gnawed
    bureaucracy.
    To mandates
    no respect.
    To any
    to hell with mothers
    roll around
    any piece of paper.
    But this ...
    Я
    I get
    from wide legs
    duplicate
    priceless cargo.
    Read,
    envy,
    I am -
    citizen
    Soviet Union.
    Quote: Vladimirets
    While reading the article, the brain exploded, I clean the keyboard.

    Try it diagonally !! hi
  • lav566
    lav566 22 July 2013 08: 59
    18
    If you take everything good into a new life, then, undoubtedly,
    take free education and medicine. I once
    graduated from a Soviet institute. Then we couldn’t
    to dream of giving bribes to someone. And the quality of training
    it was such that we, young specialists who came to work,
    pretty quickly mastered the specialty.
    As for the economy as a whole, I think that it should be
    mixed. The raw material sphere and large-scale production is with the state.
    Small and medium business has paid off. Recently I visited one of our
    southern city. There, the entire population works in small business.
    They work from morning to evening, benefiting both themselves and the city.
    This is a real national economy.
    It only needs to be separated from the kreminal.
    I believe that large private business in Russia does not justify itself.
    It is anti-national in content. I got everything from Chubais
    free. Therefore, it is uninitiated, lazy and stealing.
    American private business is already flying into space, and we basically have one thief.
    I recall what a civil aviation industry was in the USSR.
    airplanes are no worse than Boeing. This means that the state should do this.
    In some sectors of large-scale production, it is possible public-private
    partnership.
    Even in the West, some shrewd economists have spoken
    that the future economy should be market, but with a strong
    participation of the state. Recently, one such acted on the TV channel
    "Russia 24".
    Count on a frightened investor is not worth it.
    It is expected that this year from 50 to 80 billion dollars will be exported from Russia.
    It is time for the state to take this money into their own hands.
    And for theft, to the wall.
    That, in my opinion, should be such an economic model.
    1. Ustas
      Ustas 22 July 2013 09: 32
      +2
      Quote: lav566
      That, in my opinion, should be such an economic model.

      Totally agree with you. A big plus to you.
    2. Orik
      Orik 22 July 2013 10: 59
      +5
      You described the Stalinist option, not just "small business", but artels where everyone is equal and there is no one one who owns the means of production.
      1. lav566
        lav566 22 July 2013 12: 01
        0
        I think the artel option will be ineffective.
        As an entrepreneur friend of mine says, “without the owner
        eyes are not allowed. "In general, I think that the right of every person
        Entrepreneurship inalienable right
        You can’t forbid anything here. How people themselves will agree.
        In the 70s, as a young man, I saw in the Ryazan region in a tiny
        Russian town how the fishing artel works. I remember well
        that’s what it was called. It was a crew of fishermen,
        which, with all permissions, fished in the river, sold
        catch to local residents and, paying tax, distributed
        money according to everyone's participation. It was a form
        private initiative. I believe that without private initiative
        no economic model will work. It only needs to
        competently direct in the direction necessary for the country and society.
        What is now not observed in any way. These my words do not apply
        to small and medium business, which organized itself
        and it works quite successfully. I recently observed this in the southern resort city of the Kuban.
        These are typical private enterprises, not artels.
    3. strange and pretty meaningless
      strange and pretty meaningless 22 July 2013 12: 56
      +3
      Quote: lav566
      That, in my opinion, should be such an economic model.

      Well said.
      Quote: lav566
      If you take everything good into a new life, then, undoubtedly,
      take free education and medicine.

      Just still need the right to work and the right to housing. Otherwise, the first two postulates will not work. And there are ready-made examples - and fresh ones. The experience of the Belgorod region - there is a powerful boom.
      individual construction. Land allotment, communications, a long loan with great preferences - this is a real incentive.
      The raw materials sector and large-scale production are state-owned. That's it! No matter how much the word NATIONALIZATION scares many people - and without it, it is in no way, it is an engine of forward movement. Now, anyway.
      You only miss the MAIN THING - it is necessary, in fact, to create this very STATE. While dvizhuha goes to pull away and abolish its functions.
  • Forward
    Forward 22 July 2013 09: 01
    +3
    Thinking of some kind of global projects, as a rule, everyone forgets about the personal qualities of each person individually, His attitude and vision of the environment. From time immemorial, it has always been so in Russia. Our great leaders thought for all together and for each individually. Today, the situation has changed thanks to high-speed Internet and news channels. Information is rapidly entering people's minds, often not at all strong. It is presented accordingly. Black can turn white and white black. No wonder the TV was nicknamed the zombie creator. In this case, our person is distinguished by a subconscious desire for justice and universal brotherhood and peacefulness. But stereotypes imposed by the West created chaos in the heads of our people. Thinking about the state world order, every person wants to be happy, and that his children would be happy - but this is not. The question arises- Where to go next? The kingdom was, the Empire was, Socialism was also built. So what's next? Very big question.
  • Valery Neonov
    Valery Neonov 22 July 2013 09: 02
    +4
    Yes, I almost forgot:
  • Standard Oil
    Standard Oil 22 July 2013 09: 03
    +5
    Quote: LION
    And this is not capitalism. This is with us, some other "ism"

    Idiocy
  • Asgard
    Asgard 22 July 2013 09: 04
    +2
    I put the author + (as always)) despite the obvious provocativeness of the title.
    For many, the feeling is correct, life is developing (and unfortunately in a downward way, it is degrading)))) Here on the planet EARTH ...

    There is a completely forgotten Russian project ...
    ... what Misha Khazin means by "Red project" - this is only part "Russian project", but he has a persistent misconception about "markets", about the production of "goods", ..

    Why in the USSR there was no abundance (although EVERYTHING was)) and humanity was abundant ...
    How do you like this concept, it is somehow completely overlooked (is it not growing from here "nostalgia"))) People in the USSR .....

    now on the borders of the halo of the future Power. Scandinavia, All of Europe including the Maghreb (northern tip of Africa along Samoli, Arabs, Iranians, Turkmens, China, Vietnam and the surrounding territories.

    Other, non-governmental structure (in the modern sense))
    Both the Army and Navy are dedicated to external threats. Uncontrolled Stainless and anyone specifically ...
    And having a task to save Power at all costs.
    By the way, something like that has already happened. The Siberian khanates had something similar, but they were included in the system of that statehood, and during the Christianization of Rus they began to act LATE, although 300 years of resistance to the so-called "Orthodox" project of baptism ...a considerable period ... but not sufficient. They allowed the Russian world to be "squeezed", and this cannot be done in any way (hence the defeat))

    Wait, the Army must and will act when the "criteria" of the life of the People at least somehow undergo changes.
    Wait, the Army men will save us again ...
    The Kremlin will have to be destroyed))) sorry (pretty walls)))
    But This is a symbol of the satanic change in the life of Men.
    While feeding comes from there, this life will not be
    There will be ,,, existence ,,, and slavery veiled under "hired" labor not for their own good ...
    but for the "good" of "galley slaves")))))at our expense with you ....
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  • Dejavu
    Dejavu 22 July 2013 09: 17
    +5
    In any matter, motivation is needed, i.e. that which will move all this colossus forward. In other words, that same idea. In the current conditions, unification with former neighbors is due to the need to defend themselves against completely obvious economic and political enemies - competitors. I personally do not see the spiritual component in the customs association. Therefore, our relations are more reminiscent of partnerships, with some almost allied, but no more. In order to build a Red project, you need an engine. He is simply not there today. Modern people are perverted by the idea of ​​consumption. Bringing their thinking to a fundamentally new level is almost impossible. The society in modern performance and in Russia including, as in the rest of the world, is flying into a deep abyss and it is extremely difficult for me to imagine that this fall can stop.

    Spiritual degradation is the worst. No society will prosper with spiritless members. In Russia, at least there is Orthodoxy — it’s easier for us. We have the spiritual guidelines of the Light One. In the west, they were erased in the name of Freedom (or anarachia).

    From the above, I can conclude. The Red project itself is likely to remain a very attractive idea on paper, but no more. However, the construction of a strong spiritual society on the Russian foundation with some elements of the Red Project is quite the place to be. And in my opinion this will be a step forward, away from that decaying and already stinking moral monster from the West, who still managed to launch the tentacles into the souls and our people and poison them. I just hope we somehow manage to get rid of the slowness in the administrative apparatus and at least somehow stifle corruption.
    One thing is absolutely clear - living with the idea of ​​consumption without having anything more spiritual is a collapse. You definitely need to do something about this. But if we do not have political tools to cut out tumors on our own body, then we are simply doomed to slide into the same "blue" abyss into which the rest of the Western world is rolling.
    1. Yarosvet
      Yarosvet 22 July 2013 09: 56
      0
      Quote: dejavu
      Spiritual I personally do not see a component in the customs union.
      Spiritual degradation is the worst. No society will prosper with spiritless members.
      We have the spiritual guidelines of the Light One.
      However, building a strong spiritual society on the Russian foundation with some elements of the Red Project - it is quite the place to be.

      And you can ask - what do you mean by definition spiritual?
      1. Dejavu
        Dejavu 22 July 2013 10: 10
        +3
        The spiritual is something that a person puts above the material, and which makes him better from the point of view of this or that society. In our case, these are Christian values ​​based on love for one's neighbor.
        1. Alexander Romanov
          Alexander Romanov 22 July 2013 10: 30
          0
          Quote: dejavu
          In our case, these are Christian values ​​based on love for one's neighbor.

          In vain you told him this, for him Christianity does not exist. Cottage cheese, oh God’s svorog, the truth in his eyes no one saw. I read articles on the internet and rushed.
          1. Dejavu
            Dejavu 22 July 2013 10: 55
            +3
            It worries me very little, Alexander. :) Everyone believes in what he wants, but God gave us reason so that we can reasonably reason about being and other "spiritual" things. I believe in it.
            1. FRIGATE2
              FRIGATE2 22 July 2013 22: 41
              +2
              Quote: dejavu
              Everyone believes in what he wants, but God gave us reason so that we could reason rationally on the topic of being and other "spiritual" things. I believe in it.

              If your dog / cat performs actions that you have not taught, does this mean that they have a mind?
          2. Yarosvet
            Yarosvet 22 July 2013 10: 58
            +1
            Quote: Alexander Romanov
            In vain you told him this, for him Christianity does not exist. Cottage cheese, oh God’s svorog, the truth in his eyes no one saw. I read articles on the internet and rushed.

            Alexander - three times past laughing

            Firstly, Christianity exists for me because there is such a religion (it’s strange by the way that you write the name of your religion with a small letter)
            Secondly - I have every reason to believe that God (including Svarog) objectively does not exist.
            And thirdly, did anyone see Yeshua?
            1. Alexander Romanov
              Alexander Romanov 22 July 2013 11: 48
              0
              Quote: Yarosvet
              Alexander - three times past

              Yeah?
              Quote: Yarosvet
              Firstly, Christianity exists for me because there is such a religion

              But didn’t you throw me bullshit -link with "revelations" about the descent of the blessed fire? Remember not long ago?
              Quote: Yarosvet
              Secondly - I have every reason to believe that God (including Svarog) objectively does not exist.

              Wrong chtol? Okay, I’ll look in your comments if I really made a mistake and apologize.
              Quote: Yarosvet
              And thirdly, did anyone see Yeshua?

              Who is this?
              1. Yarosvet
                Yarosvet 22 July 2013 12: 01
                +1
                Quote: Alexander Romanov
                Yeah?
                Yeah laughing

                But didn’t you throw me bullshit -link with "revelations" about the descent of the blessed fire?
                Honestly - I have no idea who is throwing bullshit at you.

                I posted a link that presents historical evidence supplemented by the opinion of a specific person. And it is not my fault that you do not distinguish between the concept of "God", the concept of "religion" and the concept of "faith".

                Wrong chtol? Okay, I’ll look in your comments if I really made a mistake and apologize.
                No need to apologize - I'm not touchy.

                Who is this?
                This, if my memory serves me, is the correct pronunciation of the name Jesus.
                1. Alexander Romanov
                  Alexander Romanov 22 July 2013 13: 35
                  0
                  Quote: Yarosvet
                  Honestly - I have no idea who is throwing bullshit at you.

                  Your honest word is worthless, here is one of your comments with a bullshit link!

                  Yarosvet RU July 15, 2013 15:27 | Roberto de Mattei: Christianophobia Shakes the World
                  Quote: Alexander Romanov
                  Holy Fire descends annually

                  http://afaq.narod.ru/bm.htm


                  Yarosvet RU July 15, 2013 16:31 | Roberto de Mattei: Christianophobia Shakes the World
                  Quote: Alexander Romanov
                  You’ll go far, but you won’t go anywhere
                  Why go so far?
                  Link - reproduction of historical sources and subjective observations on the topic.

                  The sacrament itself in an exact translation from Greek sounds like "IGNITION of the blessed fire" - there is no talk of any convergence.


                  This is for starters, your link and your opinion!
                  Quote: Yarosvet
                  This, if my memory serves me, is the correct pronunciation of the name Jesus.

                  But you couldn’t pretend to be Jewish laughing
                  1. Yarosvet
                    Yarosvet 22 July 2013 14: 36
                    +1
                    Quote: Alexander Romanov
                    Your honest word is worthless, here is one of your comments with a bullshit link!
                    Have mercy, Alexander!
                    I have never denied having posted this link, which is a reproduction of historical evidence and private opinion!

                    But I insist that I didn’t throw bullshit at you - we are intelligent people in the end! laughing

                    But you couldn’t pretend to be Jewish
                    What side am I here ?! belay

                    His name was Yeshua, the Greeks distorted and began to call Jesus, Nikon changed to Jesus - am I again to blame? !!! crying
                    1. FRIGATE2
                      FRIGATE2 22 July 2013 22: 46
                      +2
                      Quote: Yarosvet
                      His name was Yeshua, the Greeks distorted and began to call Jesus, Nikon changed to Jesus - am I again to blame? !!!

                      I have material, analysis of religions, after reading you will be even more convinced that you are right.
                      I would like to drop it on you by e-mail, for review.
                      Leave your email or write to [email protected], I will drop off the analysis.
                      1. Yarosvet
                        Yarosvet 22 July 2013 22: 59
                        +1
                        Quote: FRIGATE2
                        I have material, analysis of religions,

                        Leo Taxil, David Naydis or something like that?
                      2. FRIGATE2
                        FRIGATE2 22 July 2013 23: 20
                        +2
                        Quote: Yarosvet
                        Leo Taxil, David Naydis or something like that?

                        I don’t know these authors / people, honestly.
                        And the book of one good man, Beck, but fully reflects my thoughts, too.
                        Beck is here on the site.
                        When I read it, I was so glad that I was not the only one in the world who was very critical of religions, you have no idea.
                        I thought of sharing the book with you, so as not to be subjective, and after your review also compare my opinion, because everything is known in comparison, and you criticize religious dogmas well, because of this I offered you.
                      3. Yarosvet
                        Yarosvet 23 July 2013 00: 35
                        0
                        Quote: FRIGATE2
                        Beck did not read (what is the name of the book?)

                        But I read the Bible long and hard. laughing
    2. Yarosvet
      Yarosvet 22 July 2013 10: 36
      +1
      Quote: dejavu
      The spiritual is something ...
      And right there -
      In our case, these are Christian values ​​based on love for one's neighbor.

      How's that?
      Does this mean that in the absence of Christian values ​​and Buddhist values, for example, spirituality is absent?

      What is spirituality - is there a definition?
      1. Alexander Romanov
        Alexander Romanov 22 July 2013 10: 49
        +1
        Quote: Yarosvet

        What is spirituality - is there a definition?

        It is strange why these questions are asked by a person who denies Christianity and (in his words) believes in a certain mess. Apparently, such a human substance as the soul is not included in the list of the browner.
        Do not catch dear in words, do not catch!
        1. Yarosvet
          Yarosvet 22 July 2013 11: 26
          +2
          Quote: Alexander Romanov
          It is strange why these questions are asked by a person who denies Christianity and (in his words) believes in a certain mess.
          Kindly - remind me where exactly I wrote that I believe in Svarog? belay
          I do not deny Christianity - I am absolutely sure that such a religion exists.

          Apparently, such a human substance as the soul is not included in the list of the browner.
          Definition - what is the soul - give?

          Do not catch dear in words, do not catch!
          Already caught laughing
          1. Alexander Romanov
            Alexander Romanov 22 July 2013 11: 51
            0
            Quote: Yarosvet
            Kindly - remind me where exactly I wrote that I believe in Svarog?

            You have hundreds of comments, I'll see later, if not naidu then .... wrote above hi
            Quote: Yarosvet
            Definition - what is the soul - give?

            For you, something like this! The soul is that which will separate from your body at the time of death and go either to heaven or to hell, depending on how you spent your life. The soul is your consciousness and subconscious, your life in the body (now) and not in the body after. So will not a believer come for you?
            Quote: Yarosvet
            Already caught

            Who me wassat
            1. Yarosvet
              Yarosvet 22 July 2013 12: 14
              0
              Quote: Alexander Romanov
              The soul is that which will separate from your body at the time of death ...
              You described the functions to me, while also hooked on the functions of the brain, but to the question "WHAT is this?" - did not answer.

              Who me
              Yeah! laughing
              But as I wrote above - you should not apologize. drinks
              1. Alexander Romanov
                Alexander Romanov 22 July 2013 13: 38
                +1
                Quote: Yarosvet
                You’ve described the functions to me, while you’ve also hooked the brain’s functions,

                Do you think that without a soul the brain will work? The soul has gone into another world and the brain has decomposed request
                Quote: Yarosvet
                never answered.

                it is you yourself that is, only now you are in the body shell and that’s it. Nothing will change, your thoughts and mind will remain with you after death, but only you will not be the master of yourself.
                1. Yarosvet
                  Yarosvet 22 July 2013 14: 51
                  0
                  Quote: Alexander Romanov
                  Do you think that without a soul the brain will work?
                  Of course it will not.

                  The soul has gone into another world and the brain has decomposed
                  How is it - gone? It may leak away - for example - but leave ?!

                  it is you yourself that is, only now you are in the body shell and that’s it.
                  At the expense of the shell - I agree, but why is this me? The soul is a part of me as a whole, and not all of me.

                  Nothing will change, your thoughts and mind will remain with you after death, but only you will not be the master of yourself.
                  If I am not my master, then EVERYTHING will definitely change, but that is not the point: where does the Bible say that reason and thoughts will remain with me? There is no such thing there.
            2. FRIGATE2
              FRIGATE2 22 July 2013 23: 11
              +2
              Quote: Alexander Romanov
              For you, something like this! The soul is that which will separate from your body at the time of death and go either to heaven or to hell

              You are now reading directly the Avramic religions. Sir, you live in the 21st century.
              I understand how people saw the world in ancient times, that after death there is something else, every nation in its own way, the Scandinavians were generally disposed to die in battle.
              Does it not seem to you that the Pharaoh scenario, when the priests-pharaoh and are controlled by priests, was not only in Ancient Egypt, but among all nations ???
              What priests ruled the crowd \ people in all cultures and gradually globalized into something more? as religion and ideology.
              And ideology is the ability to look at the world in a new way, and as soon as an ideology is stronger for some people, they are massively switching to a new world order.
              You animate the soul, although you have never seen it and you have no idea what hypotheses it is.
              Soul is an informational component of a person.
              Here you hate the Americans, here we take a little American boy and give the Russian family. in 20 years it will be a Russian boy with a Russian outlook, what do you say that his soul has changed? You materialize the soul.
              But the cat \ your dog died and you saw the seconds of death, where do their souls go? how to evaluate the good the dog did or the bad? I’ve spoiled the garden - this is bad only on your part, for nature it is a natural process.
              There is no hell or paradise, there is an ordinary world in which we exist, and our souls depend on the amount of information.
              How do you understand the term ENVIRONMENT? almost every saint spoke this term
              What memorized the Bible do you enlighten? or having accumulated vast intellectual and material material and experience, will you be enlightened?
              Option 1. You are 75 years old and you know Christianity / Bible by heart and your grandchildren are more advanced than today's youth, they may have already discovered a new way of contacting the Moon, that the Earth is round and everyone knows that you don’t know yet, but you are enlightened how do you enlighten them?
              Option 2. You are 75 years old, you are an enlightened scientist, linguist, linguist, academician of mining and all that’s all. In this case, can you enlighten your grandchildren at least in history? Yes
      2. Dejavu
        Dejavu 22 July 2013 10: 59
        +4
        Yarosvet, if you want to debate on the subject of spirituality, contact the clergyman of the Orthodox Church. Most likely I will be completely in agreement with what he tells you about this. As for me, I have very little interest in explaining obvious, at least for me, things. Judging by your tone, you are not looking for knowledge, but rather disputes, and disputes do not give rise to truth, no matter how beautiful it sounds from the lips of the ancients. Therefore, let me take my leave. Do not blame me.
        1. Yarosvet
          Yarosvet 22 July 2013 11: 32
          0
          You see, Gregory - sometimes I am interested to know if a person understands the meaning of the terms he uses. I got the feeling that when you use the term "spirituality" you do not understand it. You have confirmed my feeling.

          And regarding the "Christian" values, I fully share the opinion of SIT registered at 10:45 hi
          1. fisherman
            fisherman 22 July 2013 21: 28
            +2
            I got the feeling that when you use the term "spirituality" you do not understand it.


            The spiritual is something that a person puts above the material, and that makes him better


            and I got the exact opposite feeling :)

            counter question: Have you already found physical and mathematical methods for measuring pride? :)

            that a person has pride, which very often does not allow you to kneel either literally or figuratively.
            1. Yarosvet
              Yarosvet 22 July 2013 23: 08
              0
              Quote: fisherman
              counter question: Have you already found physical and mathematical methods for measuring pride?

              Do you mean pride as a designation of a series of emotions, or the emotions themselves?

              However, look here: http://do.gendocs.ru/docs/index-113651.html?page=27
              1. fisherman
                fisherman 23 July 2013 00: 18
                0
                no thanks no

                I just thought that you had already found a physical and mathematical method for detecting this concept, I hoped that soon with the help of this technique we would all get scientific definitions of friendship, love, and so on

                and you are about faith :)
    3. SIT
      SIT 22 July 2013 10: 45
      +2
      Quote: dejavu
      In our case, these are Christian values ​​based on love for one's neighbor.

      We now have every 10th Muslim without illegal emigrants and their number continues to grow. Kazakhstan is just a Muslim country. The introduction of any religious spiritual values ​​into the basis of the union is a time bomb that will tear it apart.
      1. Alexander Romanov
        Alexander Romanov 22 July 2013 10: 52
        +5
        Quote: SIT
        The introduction of any religious spiritual values ​​into the basis of the union is a time bomb that will tear it apart.

        Watching who will become its determining force, during Orthodoxy there will be no bomb. The basis of any faith is tolerance and respect for one's neighbor, distortion of faith leads to the fact that the priests cut their throats with a cry of Allah Akbar, but this already has nothing to do with Faith hi
        1. SIT
          SIT 22 July 2013 11: 17
          +4
          Quote: Alexander Romanov
          Orthodoxy will not be a bomb

          Radical Islam is now an analogue of German national socialism in the twentieth century, i.e. the idea with the help of which billions of people will be stupefied and thrown into yet another world carnage, the goal of which remains unchanged, starting from the 1st world war - the concentration of financial levers of world governance in one hand. In connection with its geopolitical position, Russia has always been and will be one of the main goals in these world nightmares. Why give radicals an extra trump card, putting one of the religions at the forefront of the state system? On the contrary, all religions must be made exclusively private, even the intimate affairs of believers, and in no way should they be mixed up with politics.
          1. Alexander Romanov
            Alexander Romanov 22 July 2013 11: 28
            +3
            Quote: SIT
            Radical Islam

            To begin with, what is radical Islam in general? There is no such thing as a whole, there are scumbags hiding by faith in their own selfish interests, I don’t think. Many supporters of the so-called radical Islam generally read the Koran. religion was simply elevated to the rank of banditry and presented as the only true one, but again who did it and why. I think the comments are unnecessary here, you already answered a lot of things yourself. With regards to the place of Russia, but now de facto Russia is the only country that has preserved Christianity at the state level, in this form Christianity can withstand anyone. The only thing you can argue with in this part of your post is that why give radicals an extra trump card ??? But listen, only at the level and support of the state can we maintain Orthodoxy, not so long ago, representatives of Islam demanded that Christian symbols be removed from the coat of arms of Russia, they were sent. Extremists consider any concession for weakness and Orthodoxy the basis of Russia and there can be no Russia without Orthodoxy, it cannot exist in the modern world. There will be no other alternatives, or rather there is only one, but this is utopia. Europe and the USA are moving along this path now.
            Quote: SIT
            On the contrary, all religions must be made exclusively private, even the intimate affairs of believers, and in no way should they be mixed up with politics.

            This has already been done in Europe and the USA, it is all happening before your eyes, do you really want to live in such a society? Everything is there as you suggest hi
            1. SIT
              SIT 22 July 2013 12: 16
              +6
              Quote: Alexander Romanov
              To begin with, what is radical Islam in general? There is no such thing as a whole, there are scumbags hiding by faith in their own selfish interests, I don’t think. That many supporters of the so-called radical Islam generally read the Koran

              Wahhabism is the official state religion of Saudi Arabia.
              Quote: Alexander Romanov
              Orthodoxy is the foundation of Russia and there will be no Russia without Orthodoxy, it cannot exist in the modern world

              Such a statement in a multinational and multiconfessional country will lead to a split on religious grounds and will create conditions for the recruitment of new supporters by religious extremists. This can only be avoided by clearly dividing religion and politics. Their combination is religious extremism, which leads to jihad, crusades, etc.
              1. Alexander Romanov
                Alexander Romanov 22 July 2013 13: 42
                -1
                Quote: SIT

                Wahhabism is the official state religion of Saudi Arabia.

                And what of it, do they live by faith? Catholicism was the foundation throughout Europe, and the Pope was the pinnacle of power, which even kings obeyed. The question is, did they live according to the commandments?
                Quote: SIT
                Their combination is religious extremism, which leads to jihad, crusades, etc.

                The suppression of Orthodoxy and the niche will be immediately swept away by Islam. It will not be otherwise. It amazes me that the examples of Europe and the USA are not a lesson to you.
                1. SIT
                  SIT 22 July 2013 16: 24
                  +5
                  Quote: Alexander Romanov
                  And what of it, do they live by faith? Catholicism was the foundation throughout Europe, and the Pope was the pinnacle of power, which even kings obeyed. The question is, did they live according to the commandments?

                  How to correctly understand the Quran, one can argue and never come to a consensus. There, just as in the Bible, you can pull quotes and justify anything. The schisms of Christianity are a bad example to follow. Faith there is the tenth thing. The empire of Charles V simply formed and Byzantium ceased to be the center of the military-economic power of Europe. They took advantage of this in Rome and dragged part of the blanket over themselves. Then the center of economic development moved to northern Europe and Protestants appeared. All these splits had purely mundane sources as their cause, and if quite simply then dividing the dough.
                  Quote: Alexander Romanov
                  The suppression of Orthodoxy and the niche will be immediately swept away by Islam. It will not be otherwise.

                  In the USSR, Orthodoxy was supplanted from the state as well as Islam. And the attack did not rise for God, the king and the Fatherland, but for the homeland. They shouted not to Allahu Akbar, but to cheers, half a half or just do obscenities. Nevertheless, the flag was raised over Berlin ...
              2. fisherman
                fisherman 22 July 2013 22: 13
                +1
                This can only be avoided by clearly dividing religion and politics. Their combination is religious extremism, which leads to jihad, crusades, etc.


                insufficient condition

                because religious extremism is a departure from dogma, this is veiled extremism under the religion, that’s why, if you remove all religions, then extremism itself will not go anywhere,

                and you are right when you say that the presence of different religious denominations is one of the elements of a split, the same as, for example, hair color or engine power

                the desire for hierarchy (the desire to bulge over one's neighbor) is a civilizational achievement ... I do not put quotation marks, I do not say "good" or "bad", I just state a fact (a trend known for thousands of years, called "differentiation")

                if we gather in a circle of cheerful and resourceful, then in an hour or two we will all count tens and hundreds of thousands of these "disconnecting elements", or split points, and all of them are civilizational achievements, except for just one difference, a natural, natural difference, this is the division of humanity on men and women, everything else is superficial from civilization, or, in religious language - "everything else is from the evil one"

                question about the causes and effects:

                who or what is the reason for the creation of past, present, future "divisions"? (old and new hierarchical chains, levels, status)?

                as for religion itself, it is this element (as a tool, or a scalpel that can be used to heal and kill one’s neighbor) designed to pacify a person in his civilizational achievements

                I won’t advertise Orthodoxy (to distinguish it from other religions), but I will express my private (subjective point of view), more precisely, I will quote the governor-communist, Muslim by religion:

                "The West demands from Russia (from us) strict observance of the New Testament, leaving itself the right to live according to the Old Testament" (A. Tuleyev)

                I read the comments to the text, I noticed that my colleagues have found a new (for the Internet) entertainment - to be measured by age (remember - "split points"), I don't think that I am getting additional glory for this, but if this has already become the NORMAL for our community , then I inform, I am 53 years old, retired

                spoke very briefly, in general terms, this question is really very complex
          2. strange and pretty meaningless
            strange and pretty meaningless 22 July 2013 13: 11
            +3
            Quote: SIT
            all religions must be made exclusively private, even the intimate affair of believers, and in no way should they be mixed with politics.

            I support. This in no way affects the feelings of believers. Enough was already the church department under Nikon. Combining the power of the state with religious dogmas is simply dangerous.
            1. Alexander Romanov
              Alexander Romanov 22 July 2013 13: 43
              0
              Quote: abyrvalg
              Combining the power of the state with religious dogmas is simply dangerous.

              And without them, it’s deadly for any state.
              1. strange and pretty meaningless
                strange and pretty meaningless 22 July 2013 14: 57
                +3
                Do you seriously think that anointing the current "sovereigns" will somehow improve the situation? Do you think that the article "non-fulfillment of the commandments" can pinch the reformers? Go immediately to elevate Gundyaev to the throne?
                Yet the spiritual is ABOVE IT. To vulgarize the Higher Matter by making them the letter of the law ..? Moreover, universally ignored and kicked by Power. Should not be doing that.
          3. FRIGATE2
            FRIGATE2 22 July 2013 23: 25
            +3
            Quote: SIT
            On the contrary, all religions must be made exclusively private, even the intimate affairs of believers, and in no way should they be mixed up with politics.

            fully support
  • cosmos111
    cosmos111 22 July 2013 10: 43
    -2
    Quote: Yarosvet
    What do you mean by the definition of spiritual?

    SPIRIT is a physical substance that is responsible for the conscience of a person (whoever has it). This is my purely subjective.
    Vladimir Putin became the leader of the Popular Front.
    The goal of the Popular Front is to give everyone the opportunity to build a great country, great Russia. And we are ready to work with everyone who shares these ideas and values, who are ready to share the common responsibility for the historical success of our Motherland, "the president assured.
    1. Yarosvet
      Yarosvet 22 July 2013 11: 08
      +2
      Quote: cosmos111
      SPIRIT is a physical substance that is responsible for the conscience of a person (whoever has it). This is my purely subjective.
      That is the answer.
      BUT: since the spirit is a physical substance, then it can be observed or measured - is there any positive research in this area?

      The purpose of the Popular Front ...
      These are words, and empty ones.

      A similar posters have already been
      1. cosmos111
        cosmos111 22 July 2013 11: 53
        +1
        Quote: Yarosvet

        BUT: since the spirit is a physical substance, then it can be observed or measured

        Yaroslav is all relative. Both time and life, and space. Who knows who WE are and why here.
        There is subtle matter that cannot be measured by physical devices. Although it is already being measured. The main life. Before Great Russia, work and work still depend on each future of Russia. I think the authorities understood and made conclusions. The ONF gives such an opportunity.
        1. Yarosvet
          Yarosvet 22 July 2013 12: 28
          +2
          Quote: cosmos111
          Yarosvet is all relative.
          Is the spirit relative to what?

          There is subtle matter that cannot be measured by physical devices.
          If it is impossible to measure or observe it, then where does the unequivocal conclusion that it is?

          Although already measured.
          Do you know similar experiments and their results? Share it?

          I think the authorities understood and made conclusions.
          Did - the result of which was the creation of another dope, which you advertise.

          ONF gives such an opportunity.
          ONF enables the authorities to remain longer in power - no more.
          1. cosmos111
            cosmos111 22 July 2013 12: 52
            0
            Quote: Yarosvet
            Is the spirit relative to what?

            Yes, whatever you want. The main point of reference.
            Quote: Yarosvet
            If it is impossible to measure or observe it, then where does the unequivocal conclusion that it is?

            I don’t make any definite conclusions, because I don’t know. I can only expect and write that I feel and I personally know.
            Quote: Yarosvet
            Do you know similar experiments and their results? Share it?

            Yarosvet, unfortunately, I am not a physicist, or even philosophers. I am rather a lyricist, or rather an anarchist.
            1. Yarosvet
              Yarosvet 22 July 2013 13: 14
              0
              Quote: cosmos111
              Yes, whatever you want. The main point of reference.
              And what is the starting point for the spirit?

              I don’t make any definite conclusions, because I don’t know. I can only expect and write that I feel and I personally know.
              Strange ... You wrote about the presence of subtle matter in the affirmative-peremptory form.

              Yarosvet unfortunately I am not a physicist or even philosophers.
              So I'm not a ballerina - you claimed that measurements are being taken, and I just asked to share information about the source of your confidence.

              I’m more a lyricist, or rather an anarchist.
              Anarchist lyrics touting Putin? Interesting ... Maybe this is my cognitive dissonance?
              1. cosmos111
                cosmos111 22 July 2013 13: 25
                0
                Quote: Yarosvet
                And what is the starting point for the spirit?

                The birth of a person, or rather, his spiritual birth. If a person was not spiritually rejoiced, he remained a bamboo ... Like Vysotsky’s, and if an oak like a tree is born a baobab, then you will be a baobab for a thousand years while you die, I think these are words about spirituality , not about intelligence.
                Why did Buddha seek enlightenment, Why did Jesus go to the Cross, why did the boys who died in Chechnya remove their Crosses, although they all had a choice.
                I think the hardest thing in life to be a MAN
                1. Yarosvet
                  Yarosvet 22 July 2013 14: 22
                  0
                  Quote: cosmos111
                  The birth of man, or rather, his spiritual birth.
                  And once again - if there is a spiritual birth, then there is a spirit, which in your words is a physical substance. If the spirit is a physical substance, then it can be observed or measured, but, as I understand it, you are not aware of such measurements and observations.
                  And since you don’t know anything about such measurements and observations, it becomes completely incomprehensible - why do you say that there is a spirit and there is a spiritual birth?

                  Why did Buddha seek enlightenment
                  Translating the pompous Buddhist philosophy into modern language, the Buddha was very afraid of suffering and was looking for an opportunity to get rid of it.

                  Why did Jesus go to the Cross
                  As follows from the scripture, by the will of the father, who for some reason, without sanguineous human sacrifice at that time, did not let the Jews go.

                  why the boys perished in Chechnya removed their Crosses. Although they all had a choice.
                  We do not know if they had a choice, but we know that a person has pride, which very often does not allow him to kneel either literally or figuratively.

                  I think the hardest thing in life to be a MAN
                  In my opinion, being is easier than becoming.
                  1. cosmos111
                    cosmos111 22 July 2013 14: 40
                    +1
                    Quote: Yarosvet
                    And once again - if there is a spiritual birth, then there is a spirit, which in your words is a physical substance. If the spirit is a physical substance, then it can be observed

                    I think someday they will observe physical spiritual substance. For me, bang, the concept of both material and physical, I do not share it.
                    In a person, everything should be perfect, both soul and body. That one thing has broken and it turns out, “chikatilo”.
                    Quote: Yarosvet
                    In my opinion, being is easier than becoming

                    First you need to become a man, and only then try to be him. (Now there are so many beasts in the world), without any moral and spiritual principles. Raskos'kikov chopped up the old woman as he was tormented. And for today, a person will be beaten and smiling. There are no spiritual brakes.
                    First of all, I think about this and talked, both Christ and Buddha wrote. The rest over time, ordinary people added.
                  2. fisherman
                    fisherman 22 July 2013 22: 21
                    0
                    Buddha was very afraid of suffering and was looking for an opportunity to get rid of them.


                    for this reason instead of one postulate it took as many as 4?

                    although no, this is not the main thing ...

                    tell me, this: "I was very afraid of suffering", did Buddha tell you himself? :)))
              2. cosmos111
                cosmos111 22 July 2013 14: 24
                +1
                Quote: Yarosvet
                Anarchist lyrics touting Putin

                Why advertise. I write that I personally am for Putin. I don’t urge you to be a supporter of Vladimir Putin. I’m talking about the ONF, which gives people different political views and parties, engage in politics and really influence the government.
                The world is not black and white.
                1. Yarosvet
                  Yarosvet 22 July 2013 15: 36
                  0
                  Quote: cosmos111
                  I think someday they will be watching physical spiritual substance.
                  Maybe yes, maybe no, or maybe the spirit will turn out to be in which there is not a drop of the religious content that is now being put into this concept.
                  Or maybe they are observing him now, but they don’t realize it. smile

                  For me, buh, the concept of both material and physical, I do not share it.
                  I suspect that in this you are very right - "strength of mind and willpower" - remember? What are the functions of persistence and will?

                  In a person, everything should be perfect, both soul and body. That one thing has broken and it turns out, “chikatilo”.
                  At Chikatilo it seems, and even this broke.
                  And here is the soul ... What exactly do you mean - what Christians invented for themselves now, what is written in the Bible, or what it was associated with?

                  First you need to become a man, and only then try to be him. (Now there are so many beasts in the world), without any moral and spiritual principles. Raskos'kikov chopped up the old woman as he was tormented. And for today, a person will be beaten and smiling. There are no spiritual brakes.
                  Raskolnikov is a fictional character who suffers from a mental disorder.
                  But the beasts - yes, a lot. Only morality is not the matter — morality just allows it — there are big problems with morality.

                  First of all, I think about this and spoke - both Christ and Buddha wrote.
                  It is unlikely - rather it was a fully collective work.

                2. Yarosvet
                  Yarosvet 22 July 2013 15: 40
                  +1
                  Quote: cosmos111
                  I’m talking about the ONF, which allows people of different political views and parties to engage in politics and really influence the government.
                  Alas, it does not.

                  The world is not black and white.
                  Yes, but you can’t wash a black male either - no matter what fronts he organized.
            2. strange and pretty meaningless
              strange and pretty meaningless 22 July 2013 13: 21
              +2
              Quote: cosmos111
              I’m more a lyricist, or rather an anarchist.

              Sorry to get into your dialogue. wassat Anarchists for ONF Putin? This is closer to the point. Those. the current dismantling of the state machine is what you propose to participate in?
              Quote: cosmos111
              I think the authorities understood and made conclusions. The ONF gives such an opportunity.

              Under the dressing of talk about higher spheres of being - shoulder to shoulder, elbow to elbow? Sad cadaveric collaboration.
              1. cosmos111
                cosmos111 22 July 2013 13: 35
                0
                Quote: abyrvalg
                climbed into your dialogue wassat Anarchists for ONF Putin?

                I answer why the ONF is good in that it brings together various political forces, not just a united Russia.
                1. strange and pretty meaningless
                  strange and pretty meaningless 22 July 2013 13: 42
                  +1
                  Quote: cosmos111
                  I answer why ONF is good, because various political forces are gathered there

                  There are various political movements. FORCES - while in the parties.
                  1. cosmos111
                    cosmos111 22 July 2013 15: 09
                    +2
                    Quote: abyrvalg

                    There are various political movements. FORCES - while in the party

                    Our official parties, mainly puppets leading the political clowning.
                    And the main and unsurpassed jester puppet is a girly.
        2. strange and pretty meaningless
          strange and pretty meaningless 22 July 2013 13: 14
          +3
          Quote: cosmos111
          ONF gives such an opportunity.

          ONF - safety valve for releasing steam. The movement is in completely different places - RAS, for example ...
          1. cosmos111
            cosmos111 22 July 2013 14: 51
            -3
            Quote: abyrvalg

            ONF - safety valve for releasing steam.

            It’s good that the authorities understood that it was necessary to hear the opinion of the people and communicate with ordinary people without intermediaries. The ONF initiative and merit of V. Putin.
            Quote: abyrvalg

            The movement is in completely different places - RAS, for example ...
            The reform of the RAS has just begun, it is too early to draw any conclusions.
            1. strange and pretty meaningless
              strange and pretty meaningless 22 July 2013 15: 31
              +3
              If all CONCLUSIONS are done only by the back mind - in fact, then we are doomed. They also talked about the hump building - let's set it on fire and leave. We saw ... Seeing the personalities and hearing the familiar keywords in their speeches - you can already predict the outcome. Privatization-2 is just beginning - not everything is lost yet ... You need to understand that. The market will still prove its ictivity.
              Quote: cosmos111
              It’s good that the authorities understood that it was necessary to hear the opinion of the people and communicate with ordinary people without intermediaries. The ONF initiative and merit of V. Putin.

              Indeed, this is good. A rare piece of luck. As Aibolit sang in Aibolit-66 - "... it's even good - that we are very bad." Only "V.V. Putin" is very bound by its obligations. So to say "the second front". There he is forced to stand at the front - and not make any sudden movements. Such is the doubling of GDP.
              Quote: cosmos111
              And the main and unsurpassed jester puppet is a girly.

              ONF and to Wolfovich - like walking to Uruguay.
            2. falcon
              falcon 22 July 2013 16: 14
              +4
              Quote: cosmos111
              The reform of the RAS has just begun, it is too early to draw any conclusions.

              I'm afraid that in a couple of years it will be too late to draw conclusions! Although, if
              You are satisfied with the results of the reform of the army, education,
              health care (and everything else that the hands of the reformers reached), you will like the reform of the RAS! The result will be
              identical.
      2. Alexander Romanov
        Alexander Romanov 22 July 2013 13: 44
        +1
        Quote: Yarosvet
        BUT: since the spirit is a physical substance, then it can be observed or measured - is there any positive research in this area?

        There were studies, the weight of about 3 grams and the soul itself is visible in a certain range. More if you are interested in find in the internet.
        1. Yarosvet
          Yarosvet 22 July 2013 16: 33
          0
          Quote: Alexander Romanov
          There were studies, the weight of about 3 grams and the soul itself is visible in a certain range. More if you are interested in find in the internet.

          Everything is somewhat different: at the time of death, the weight is really lost, playing with the spectra gives some results - but due to what the weight changes and what happens, whether the reasonable structure is fixed, or whether it is thermal or electric energy generated by the cells of the body - for the time being it is unknown, and therefore There is no reason to categorically state anything.
    2. SIT
      SIT 22 July 2013 11: 27
      11
      Quote: cosmos111
      The goal of the Popular Front is to enable everyone to build a great country, a great Russia.

      This great Russia de jure and de facto now belongs to Abramovich, Deripaska, Usmanov, Vekselberg and others. Forbes list. This year, they allegedly pump out from it from 50 to 80 billion dollars and distilled into the banks of the American financial zone. Am I building in a single impulse shoulder to shoulder to help them in this? Do we and they will definitely get Great Russia, and not a great ass?
      1. georg737577
        georg737577 22 July 2013 12: 51
        0
        Mentally applaud you, SIT! Plus to you!
    3. Karabin
      Karabin 22 July 2013 12: 34
      +6
      If you are for Putin, then you are for the Front, because EdRo crap one's pants. When you realize that the front is a dummy, they’ll come up with something else. The main thing is to believe and be for Putin.
      1. FRIGATE2
        FRIGATE2 22 July 2013 23: 38
        +2
        Quote: Karabin
        If you are for Putin, then you are for the Front, because EdRo crap one's pants. When you realize that the front is a dummy, they’ll come up with something else. The main thing is to believe and be for Putin.

        Everyone smokes Putin’s plan, everyone in Putin’s head has a plan, but all this is strange ...
        http://topwar.ru/uploads/images/2013/839/fcpw259.jpg
  • Revolver
    Revolver 22 July 2013 09: 20
    +3
    You cannot enter the same river twice. And in general, does Russia need one more "to the ground, and then"?
    1. revnagan
      revnagan 22 July 2013 12: 02
      +3
      Quote: Nagan
      And in general, does Russia need one more "to the ground, and then"?

      There is no need to pull the words out of context, the original says: "We will destroy the whole WORLD OF VIOLENCE BEFORE THE BASIS, and then ...). It is clear that many people do not like this now, it is precisely those who rule this" world of violence. "But justice is all- still must triumph. And it will be "harsh justice", as in Jack London, in the book "Hearts of Three". I really hope for this and sharpen the pitchfork laughing
      1. Revolver
        Revolver 23 July 2013 02: 41
        0
        Experience shows that together with the "world of violence" the economy usually collapses, and also "to the ground". Of course, then inevitably comes "and then". But how soon it will come, how it will actually look like, and who will live to see this "then" and who will not, is unpredictable.
        Life, and in particular the experience of perestroika in the USSR / Russia, which ended with a considerable number of shootings, taught me to approach everything conservatively. I personally think that it was not necessary in 1917 "to the ground, and then" to build socialism. At what price it was given, everyone here knows, or at least has an opinion. But having already built it, it was not necessary to "rebuild", because it ended with another "to the ground, and then". And now again it is proposed "to the ground". What for?
  • knn54
    knn54 22 July 2013 09: 30
    +5
    To begin with, it is worth following the experience of the Yankees.
    The Glass-Steagall Act was adopted in the United States in 1933 / repealed in 1999. According to this law, the money received from the Central Bank cannot be used for speculation in currency or shares. Banks generally lose the right to engage in securities and currency speculation. They will be able to place money only in the form of loans to enterprises and real businesses. Thus, in order to profit from the use of money, banks will have to develop conditions under which enterprises want to take a loan - on jackal terms no one will take money from them, and bankers will not be able to receive their percentage from the use of finance. The commercial operations of banks were separated from investments in financial speculation, and the government was forbidden to subsidize such investments in any form. Loans went not to speculation, but to the manufacturing sector, to infrastructure development, technological development - to the ECONOMY!
    In our country and in Russia, the money received by “our” banks from the Central Bank / National Bank and depositors goes almost entirely to financial speculation, which is much more profitable and attractive — you can scroll the money several times a day.
    So we will not get out of “DEPRESSION”.
  • rugor
    rugor 22 July 2013 09: 35
    0
    Chet is not a very clear article.
  • Cpa
    Cpa 22 July 2013 09: 40
    +5
    "Mice run to a wise owl for advice:
    "Owl, you are wise, help! Everyone around us is eating, I will not save! What should I do?"
    -Hmm .. I know you need to become a hedgehog!
    -Oh, cool, what a smart owl you are, HOW ???
    -Well .. I don't know, I'm a strategist !!! "
    This is what such articles remind me of and speeches of politicians about the path of further development.
    In order to determine plans for the future, we need a professional analysis and forecast, a clear understanding by management of what is happening and its consequences, as well as a vision of alternative paths in all areas of the country's life. For example, the Keynesian economic model has long outlived itself as unpredictable and expansive (predatory) which confirms what is happening in the world. Why not pay attention to the works of John Nash, as alternative. And so in all areas. The USSR gave an invaluable gift - the experience of the country's autonomous existence behind the Iron Curtain, et the advantage can and should be used as a foundation.
  • Yarosvet
    Yarosvet 22 July 2013 09: 43
    +4
    What do we need? Yes, just the light in the window ...

    RATIONALISM - three questions regarding any aspect: what is good? what is wrong? why?

    Let us force society as a system to act rationally - everything will be fine. We will not force them - we will continue to get confused in "ISMAS" until we either force them or die out.
    1. fisherman
      fisherman 22 July 2013 22: 31
      0
      RATIONALISM - three questions regarding any aspect: what is good? what is wrong? why?

      We will force society to act rationally as a system - everything will be fine.


      perfectly :)

      you know, the fact that you have been given only 4 pluses makes me sad, it’s incomprehensible to the mind, how did it happen that the forum users did not nominate you for the Nobel Prize?

      about 3 questions, I will not add new ones :)

      but this: "Let us force society as a system to act rationally - everything will be fine." (I will not ask - "Who are the judges?") Do you think that you will not look anywhere, everyone is acting rationally, sometimes even very rationally? (for example , "chairs in the morning, money in the evening" and so on)?

      I agree about the "advertising signs", we are not at the department of "Scientific Communism", where we are very skilled in all sorts of isms :)
      1. Yarosvet
        Yarosvet 22 July 2013 23: 34
        0
        Quote: fisherman
        perfectly
        Being a fan of smiles in the midst of Internet hummocks,
        The genius of long words, they have already gained gigabytes -
        He came to not ask me questions
        And he spread again with his thought on the whole site ...

        Have you drawn a graph? smile
        1. fisherman
          fisherman 23 July 2013 00: 20
          0
          what schedule?

          growth schedule of domestic rationalism? :))
          1. Yarosvet
            Yarosvet 23 July 2013 00: 47
            0
            Quote: fisherman
            what schedule?
            The one that you have been drawing for me for about a month.
            1. fisherman
              fisherman 23 July 2013 01: 39
              0
              The one that you have been drawing for me for about a month.


              the painter is here you

              and this is obvious to anyone

              so what schedule excited your mind?
  • Victor Kamenev
    22 July 2013 09: 54
    +2
    The people say: what we have - do not store, having lost - we cry. We live exactly according to this proverb. The Soviet Union was defeated, we lost it, and now it's too late to cry: having our heads off our hair does not cry. What we have today is also not from the sky, it suffices to recall what happened in 90's. To bring down the existing foundation - we lose what we have, but with what will we remain?
    The most difficult "red question", by the way, did not sound, here it is: "Why do we need the past, which is pregnant with the present?" The Yeltsins, Chubais and other "new Russians" - after all, they were all brought up by the communist party. Until we answer this question, the Red project remains unpredictable, fraught with new "new Russians" ...
  • serge
    serge 22 July 2013 09: 55
    +4
    In search of a national idea, one would have to understand which nation all these Khazins have in mind. And they mean the Russian nation, but they don’t say it directly, not being Russian themselves. According to the author, the USSR (Russia) was not protected by the Russian people from the European invasion of 1941, but by some red project there. But one must understand what the red project is in the Stalinist interpretation (namely, the Stalinist system is meant by the author of this article under the red project, separating Lenin, Khrushchev and the Trotskyists from this project).
    The Stalinist red project is a Russian idea, simply called building socialism in a single country. All these searches for red, green and purple projects are the convulsive attempts of the semi-Jewish elite of the Russian Federation to give Russians a national idea (and lead this idea), without calling it Russian. This is possible only in one case - if you follow in the footsteps of Stalin, and without calling the Russian idea Russian, in practice realize the quintessence of this idea, namely:
    - reunification of Russian territories (in fact, the union within the framework of the Eurasian or whatever else union of Russia, Belarus, Ukraine and Kazakhstan)
    - growth of well-being of citizens of Russia
    - the demographic growth of the Russian nation (in fact, the prohibition of abortion and the provision of free state housing for young couples with two or more children)
    Whoever realizes this idea, no matter how you call it, at least Russian, at least Orthodox, at least sulfur-boromaline, be it Russian, Jewish or Chukchi, he will be leading the Russian society in the long term. This is the objective reality of the development of the historical process.
    1. Victor Kamenev
      22 July 2013 10: 07
      +1
      In principle, I agree with Sergei. All "projects" are a concrete expression of historical Russia in time and space. Like a person, a people and their state change over time, takes on different shapes. It would be strange if the people remained unchanged in history. The story continues, and we must contribute to it.
  • Ivan_Ivanov
    Ivan_Ivanov 22 July 2013 10: 01
    0
    Quote: GEORGE
    Hello all.
    Returning is a bad omen.

    So maybe in vain we returned to capitalism, huh?


    And then ... Of course in vain.

    But this does not mean at all that we need to return to the communist project.

    The Soviet system has transformed very much over time. The system of the 20s, very much, I would say is fundamentally different from the Stalin system of the late 30s and the initial post-war time. The Khrushchev system differs from the Stalin system, and the Brezhnev system from Khrushchev. All of them differ radically from each other, having an identity in fact only in the declared name.

    Of course, the Stalinist system is the most, incomparably more effective than all the others. But the development of society in the scientific, technological, managerial, information and other fields has gone quite far since the mid-20th century. Therefore, hypothetically, even the Stalinist system is not exactly copied exactly. (if anyone decides to do this) It is necessary to take into account the development of civilization.
  • IRBIS
    IRBIS 22 July 2013 10: 04
    +1
    The USSR, as a single state, began to take shape long before the revolution. The prototype of unity was the Russian Empire, which for centuries gathered lands and peoples under its tutelage. The collapse of the USSR set free the "national consciousness" of the peoples, which was also perverted by the local "princelings", "presidents", etc. Now, to create a formation similar to the USSR, it will take a lot of time. The alliances that exist now are just a pitiful excuse. How many people have already grown up on nationalist ideas? How many national policy mistakes have countries made? And do you think that it will just "flatten out" and be forgotten?
  • ed65b
    ed65b 22 July 2013 10: 12
    +5
    The current Communist Party can be safely sent to the dustbin of history. In its current form, it was rotten through and through by the bourgeoisie and turned into a petty-bourgeois structure fused with the current government. where the top owns parachute factories and the young people are allowed only by looking into her pocket. I treat the red project with a great deal of skepticism. The elite of the former union republics that seized power and cash flows will never give up their clearing without a fight.
  • Kostya pedestrian
    Kostya pedestrian 22 July 2013 10: 21
    0
    Quote: Kostya pedestrian
    And let's better, for example, demolish the palace of the Japanese emperor, or the Vatican. They just sit there and see how to destroy our Kremlin.

    In general, if St. Petersburg is the fortress of the Russian Navy, then Moscow is the mistress of the Taiga and the Far East, so let the Japanese sit behind the Tatar Strait and let their toad smother with envy to our latitudes.


    And Russia will be saved by powerful counterintelligence, military intelligence and tax collection services and persistent and stubborn diplomacy like the Comintern. And, of course, the "mad" 90s, when everything could be bought and sold.

    And you shouldn't open your mouth too much to someone else's, it's better to use your brains to put your heart in order, in Moscow, it should be like the legendary St. Petersburg resident A.S. Pushkin "There is a Russian spirit, there it smells of Russia!" And not like Byron, like Dantes's peak.

  • 12345
    12345 22 July 2013 10: 22
    0
    The author is clearly eager "to eat a fish, and ... not choke on a bone."

    And so that there was a new "union", and so that - without "internationalism".
    At the state level, for free no one has ever been friends with anyone, is not friends and will not be friends. That is life...
    1. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 22 July 2013 10: 54
      0
      Quote: 12345
      At the state level, for free no one has ever been friends with anyone, is not friends and will not be friends.

      Unless it's just a single state hi
      1. 12345
        12345 22 July 2013 12: 08
        0
        Definitely!
  • Letterksi
    Letterksi 22 July 2013 10: 46
    +3
    When I hear that the word "project" is applied to the country and the people living in it, the question immediately arises: what kind of another "scientist" in a white doctor's cap and a beard like Karl Marx wants to experiment on me and my neighbors? A very strange substitution of concepts and words has been taking place lately. Here are, for example, replaced words with "new" analogues: ideology - project, personnel - human resources. Doesn't it seem to you that new words give off mechanics, are not animated, do not have a human appearance? It turns out that we have become a resource for the project! Can already say simply and without verbiage: "project meat"? For some reason, they don't even ask us whether we want to experiment on ourselves.

    A priori, it is already assumed that the "experimenter with a beard" will have enough "human resources" to suppress any dissatisfaction with the "project meat" with the "experiment"!

    We must look not at the West or the East, but inside the country. Use common sense, not project documentation. And not be obedient to "project meat"
  • Zhuchok
    Zhuchok 22 July 2013 10: 51
    0
    No new projects needed.
    Russia needs to return to its spiritual and moral roots.
    Of the 1000 years of Russia's existence, the USSR lasted 70 years and collapsed like a house of cards, and no one came out to defend. The very foundation on which the USSR was created was unfit: the wreckage of the Russian Empire, which was redrawn on a national basis and then glued together.
    It is clear that such a structure can exist only under strict central authority, as under Stalin, but then this construction began to weaken, and we will continue to disentangle the consequences.
    The question that everything was fair, spiritually healthy in the USSR raises great doubts.
    Those who lived then remember the empty counters and the fights in kilometer-long lines for scarce goods.
    It’s good, of course, that there were many missiles, but this is not a choice.
    A healthy, strong economy must be able to produce everything.
    The need for a completely free health care and a completely free education is doubtful.
    A person should try to achieve everything in life.
    And paying for education for those who live happily and drink beer from session to session is a waste of government money.
    If a person at 10 years old took a cigarette in his mouth, and by the age of 50 he had cancer, then the requirement to provide a free cure for cancer from this person does not seem quite fair.
    Therefore, socialism is a double-edged sword.
    If a person is given everything for free (apartment, job, education, treatment) - he stops working and begins to degrade.
    Help should be given to those who really cannot provide for themselves.
    Well, the spiritual and moral foundation of the USSR is even more worthless than material.
    On the ruins of temples and monasteries, on the blood of slaughtered priests, officers, peasants - a just society could not be built.
    Therefore, it is better to return to historical roots, and build Russia on the original foundation of spiritual and moral values, on the foundation of the Orthodox faith, which is the stone that the Lord Jesus Christ spoke about.
  • Bigriver
    Bigriver 22 July 2013 11: 09
    +1
    A big project is needed.
    Red? May be. But, definitely not on the basis of the current Communist Party.
    We need a breakthrough, a new philosophy, ideology and a new self-identification of the peoples included in this new project. Need common intersection points. And these points cannot be limited only by economic benefits.
    We need a system of identification "friend / foe", "we / they".
    What can the Communist Party of the Russian Federation offer us? Yes, nichrome, except: "Let's build communism in a single Russian Federation."
    I think the big project of the former republics of the Union (let it be the EAC) is a long business and not implemented in our lifetime.
    And, well, my chuyka says that everything will go faster when Asian, Muslim and, possibly, a new Western project crystallize.
    Then, the whole of the former Soviet periphery will be pinched and they themselves will realize and be asked. If they are not eaten before they have this desire.
  • user
    user 22 July 2013 11: 18
    0
    Article plus.
    Everything can work out if there are not some fundamental errors that were in the USSR.
    The most important thing is not to build a red project on a national basis,
    no need to develop some areas at the expense of others (as now in Russia - Moscow, the Caucasus, Tatarstan).
    Well, of course, one LAW is for everyone (THIS IS THE MOST HEAD)
    In principle, EVERYTHING is not so much for such a project.
  • shutyai
    shutyai 22 July 2013 11: 23
    +2
    "Russia has only two allies - the Army and the Navy"
  • vladsolo56
    vladsolo56 22 July 2013 11: 37
    0
    Why you always have to read that communism is utopia. Why does everyone immediately forget that there are examples of a communist system that is over a hundred years old. In Israel there are communes (kibbutzim) based precisely on the principles of communism. For more than a hundred years they have been living and no matter how they predicted a quick demise, they exist and are not going to give up. Yes, these are just agricultural communities, but who said that their experience cannot be transferred to cities? Communism is not a utopia, it is just a goal that can be achieved only with appropriate education.
    1. serge
      serge 22 July 2013 11: 58
      +1
      vladsolo56 In Israel there are communes (kibbutzim) based precisely on the principles of communism.
      ----------------
      That is, communism is a slave-owning society, as in Israel, where Arabs work in kibbutzim and Jews rule? Thank you, we do not need such communism.
      1. vladsolo56
        vladsolo56 22 July 2013 12: 15
        0
        all you know is nothing to hide from you, probably you were there and even worked? it is not clear only by whom the Arab or slaveholder?
        1. aviamed90
          aviamed90 22 July 2013 17: 45
          0
          vladsolo56

          Is an Arab and a slave owner a profession? And where are they taught? In Israel?
          1. vladsolo56
            vladsolo56 22 July 2013 18: 18
            0
            you would think that you did not understand the meaning. Well, if you do not understand it is not worth explaining.
      2. Yarosvet
        Yarosvet 22 July 2013 12: 35
        +3
        Quote: serge
        That is, communism is a slave-owning society, as in Israel, where Arabs work in kibbutzim and Jews rule?
      3. bilgesez
        bilgesez 22 July 2013 18: 09
        +2
        This is exactly what Pupkin is building in Russia.
    2. Zhuchok
      Zhuchok 22 July 2013 12: 02
      +3
      Because communities limit the initiative of their members, community farming was ineffective.
      This problem was discovered long ago.
      Therefore, at the beginning of the 20th century, Tsar Nicholas II began the reform of the peasant community in order to free up private initiative.
      As a result, strong peasant farms appeared, and only Siberia began to produce so much butter that the income from this exceeded the income from gold mining.
      It is not necessary to educate a future member of the community, who will console himself by the fact that the community will help him and do everything for him, but the Master.
      The owner of his business must be educated, proactive, hardworking.
      1. vladsolo56
        vladsolo56 22 July 2013 12: 18
        +4
        A tale for the ignorant, a private trader cannot be more effective than a community, only one who does not want to think at all can believe this. Based on your statement, the state does not need to, it is necessary to live alone, so much more efficiently. The master will never be a statesman, this story has already proved more than once. Any owner first of all cares about the well-being of his beloved, he does not care deeply about the rest, as well as the state as a whole.
        1. SIT
          SIT 22 July 2013 12: 39
          +2
          Quote: vladsolo56
          The master will never be a statesman, this story has already proved more than once. Any owner first of all cares about the well-being of his beloved, he does not care deeply about the rest, as well as the state as a whole.

          Any owner understands that this is his household that will feed him and his children, as long as there is a state in which he lives. If a foreign state comes, it is not a fact that it will leave this economy to this owner. He has his own owners. Just to make the state viable, such owners should not be 30 people, as happened in Russia after the reforms of Chubais, but the majority of the country's population. Otherwise, there is no need for the majority of the population to defend this state, because they have nothing here but a bare ass, and these 30 also understand that they cannot save the country with such a small handful and take their assets from here in billions, so that later, when everything collapses, they can live in their real estate in warm, calm countries.
          1. vladsolo56
            vladsolo56 22 July 2013 12: 47
            +2
            That is, starting with the Demidovs, all the owners strove to cheat their native state, hide incomes, and avoid taxes. there were few cases when industrialists supplied the army with all sorts of rubbish, for example. In addition, the majority of the population will never be masters, as it is known that there is competition in this process, and competitors are doing everything possible to remain a monopolist in the market. It is not worth the fable about the positive impact of competition to take at face value, for truth. Everyone who speaks negatively about the role of the community does not even have a clue how it is structured or how everything functions in it.
            1. SIT
              SIT 22 July 2013 16: 49
              0
              Quote: vladsolo56
              In addition, the majority of the population will never be masters, as you know, there is competition in this process, and competitors are doing everything possible to remain a monopolist in the market

              It’s not necessary to be the master of everything to be a master. You can have stocks of something. The masters of the country are the middle class, i.e. people who own most of the property in the country. If they allow everyone to unite their assets abroad, then the country simply will not and no billionaires can do anything, because their share of ownership is less than that of the middle class. It will be problematic to solve any issues in such a country without taking into account the opinions of this middle class. for his blood, he will rise much faster than for some abstract slogans of the Swamp.
              1. vladsolo56
                vladsolo56 22 July 2013 18: 21
                +2
                naive misconception, who will allow you to take control of the controlling stake, you most likely will get illiquid shares, i.e. just pieces of paper the price of which is a penny. take an interest, in this way in the West, more than one company was ravaged. Stock is paper, nothing more.
      2. lav566
        lav566 22 July 2013 12: 21
        0
        I agree with Zhuchok.
        Chubais believed that an intelligent host will appear, you just have to give
        his property. And this was not so. In Europe, the economic structure
        with an intelligent owner as a subject of economic activity
        evolved over centuries. The growth was gradually from small artisans
        to the big bourgeois. And we have "reformers" 91 years of bottling
        We decided that everything will turn out in a couple of years. Even if for a minute
        to assume that they wanted just this, not banal
        robbing the country.
  • soldier's grandson
    soldier's grandson 22 July 2013 11: 51
    +1
    You need to start with the nationalization of resources, the return of gold reserves from international banks to a single national bank, close the borders, and conduct top-level cleansing
  • lexe
    lexe 22 July 2013 12: 13
    -1
    An article with the entry into the unknown ...
    Although I support the first part of the article.
    However, there are highly controversial allegations.
    then the Red Project in the twentieth century fulfilled its main task - it defended the independence of Russia:

    Militarily, yes. And what about the new concepts of food security? Demographic security?
    but I would agree for the sake of reconciling society for a certain period
    because for me the fact that
    Until now, Russia's independence is based on the achievements of the Red Project of the twentieth century.

    Again militarily and now with reservations

    So the Eurasian Union will decide for the Russian people-food security and a demographic threat? For the whole time of the USSR, our fraternal peoples have increased enormously !!! That is, they multiplied simply at a tremendous pace, and we? So it's not so simple ...
    A bad omen will return ... There is a pagan way out laughing will return and look in the mirror. What will we see there on the chest?-Cross!
    Also, Orthodox crosses were massively worn in only one country -Russian Empire!
    1. SIT
      SIT 22 July 2013 12: 25
      +2
      Quote: Lexi
      Also, Orthodox crosses were massively worn in only one country, the Russian Empire!

      Whom will we define as emperor of all Russia? The emperor must have a court. Who are the nobles? And finally, all empires were held in bayonets. Will we announce the mobilization immediately after the anointing to the throne, or is it better to carry it out just in case, just in case?
      1. Zhuchok
        Zhuchok 22 July 2013 12: 40
        0
        For the monarchy and empire need to mature.
        There was an Orthodox monarchy in Russia, and the Monarch was perceived as a father, and subjects for him were a family.
        This requires that the majority of the population believes in God, since the monarch is blessed to reign by God Himself through the Anointing.
        Ripening - we will have a monarch, and not ripening - we will live according to other people's patterns.
        1. Yarosvet
          Yarosvet 22 July 2013 13: 01
          +2
          Quote: Zhuchok
          For the monarchy and empire need to mature.
          Rather rot.

          There was an Orthodox monarchy in Russia, and the monarch was perceived as a father
          Perceived - thanks brainwashing.

          and his subjects were a family.
          Thanks - neighing laughing

          This requires that the majority of the population believes in God, since the monarch is blessed to reign by God Himself through the Anointing.
          So can it be more logical to assume that in order for God to anoint the monarch, it is necessary not the believing population, but the presence of the monarch himself?

          Ripening - we will have a monarch, and not ripening - we will live according to other people's patterns.
          And the monarchy - it means ours, dear, and not from the Old Testament Jews and Byzantium?
        2. avt
          avt 22 July 2013 21: 04
          +2
          Quote: Zhuchok
          There was an Orthodox monarchy in Russia, and the Monarch was perceived as a father, and subjects for him were a family.
          This requires that the majority of the population believes in God, since the monarch is blessed to reign by God Himself through the Anointing.

          laughing Dear man, well, for starters, I highly recommend this to all Christian monarchists, well, read all of the primary sources - the Bible, the Old Testament, the 1st Book of Kings, chapter 8, that's where for such sufferers under the royal yoke, everything is very accessible and popularly painted, well, here's another, , The history of the town of Foolov "is also very useful, before it was passed at school.
          Quote: Zhuchok
          Therefore, it is better to return to historical roots, and build Russia on the original foundation of spiritual and moral values, on the foundation of the Orthodox faith, which is the stone that the Lord Jesus Christ spoke about

          All this has already passed with a hunchback, here Govorukhin moaned a lot in "Russia which we have lost". But again, read Gilyarovsky, well, at least "Moscow and Muscovites", if all his wanderings around the country are reluctant, he, as a reporter, very well described those good times on the original foundation, so if you replace reckless drivers with geldings, and raspberries with clafilin, crayfish with guest workers, then make sure that you have already returned to the roots completely laughing
          1. Zhuchok
            Zhuchok 22 July 2013 22: 19
            -1
            Thank you very much for the advice to read the Bible.
            But it was more correct to write "read", since the duty of a Christian is to constantly read the Holy Scriptures.

            But it seems to me that you yourself, having read the Bible, did not understand it correctly.
            Because, the meaning of the passage that you cite is not at all how you try to interpret it.
            The fact is that at this time the people were ruled by the prophet Samuel on behalf of God Himself.
            That is, God himself chose the people to rule, and the demand for a king from the people was sinful in that sense. That is, the people demanded to give him a king instead of God.
            These events relate to a specific period of communication between the chosen people and God, and your extrapolation of it to the topic under discussion is incorrect.
            In general, it must be said that the Bible is not a history textbook, and is not even a history book, but is Holy Scripture, Divine Revelation, and contains such information that God Himself wanted to tell us about Himself.
            It is not enough just to read the Bible, it must still be correctly understood and correctly interpreted, for which it is necessary to study all those historical periods that are mentioned in the Bible, and to study the works of the Holy Fathers of the Church on the interpretation of the Bible.
            And you need to read the Bible separately from other books.
            Did you happen to read it alternately with Gilyarovsky?
            1. avt
              avt 23 July 2013 09: 50
              +2
              Quote: Zhuchok
              That is, God himself chose the people to rule, and the demand for a king from the people was sinful in that sense. That is, the people demanded to give him a king instead of God.
              These events relate to a specific period of communication between the chosen people and God, and your extrapolation of it to the topic under discussion is incorrect.

              Begin to begin to adjust laughing
              Quote: Zhuchok
              Holy Scripture, Divine Revelation, and contains such information that God Himself wanted to tell us about Himself.

              Well, of course, that's just the listeners of these revelations each time find their excuse in the form of these conclusions -
              Quote: Zhuchok
              These events relate to a specific period of communication between the chosen people and God, and your extrapolation of it to the topic under discussion is incorrect.

              And every time a telling example from the Bible conflicts with our own thoughts and aspirations on this subject, our deeply believing comrades find themselves a very accurate justification
              Quote: Zhuchok
              It is not enough just to read the Bible, it must still be correctly understood and correctly interpreted, for which it is necessary to study all those historical periods that are mentioned in the Bible, and to study the works of the Holy Fathers of the Church on the interpretation of the Bible.

              laughing Well, just like the Communists - faithful Leninists are needed for a proper interpretation, but the Catholics did it easier during that time - they generally forbade non-priests to read the Bible. And what? A very interesting move - do not bother with pharisaism. laughing
              Quote: Zhuchok
              And you need to read the Bible separately from other books.
              But this proposal is simply stupid, because ALL fiction, almost before the Soviet period, was written by people who are believers, or well acquainted with the basics of faith, and sometimes ignorance of the Bible makes it impossible to reveal the author's artistic intent. which is just the 8th chapter retold by the author.
              Quote: Zhuchok
              A prerequisite for a proper understanding of the Bible is a sincere faith in God. If this is not the case, it is better not to read, otherwise you may misunderstand.

              One doesn’t interfere with the other, but is it probably nice to lead a dumb herd that looks in your mouth and catches your every word on faith? laughing Do not strain on uncomfortable questions, sometimes experiencing their own faith. Well, self-esteem as a pillar of faith again warms the soul. This is generally a hefty sin, believe it a word, pride has borne in life, tickled the soul, before the hangover after it is pretty.
              1. Zhuchok
                Zhuchok 23 July 2013 22: 39
                0

                Well, of course, that's just the listeners of these revelations each time find their excuse in the form of such conclusions


                excuse for what?


                And every time a telling example from the Bible conflicts with our own thoughts and aspirations on this subject, our deeply believing comrades find themselves a very accurate justification


                The example you cited is not indicative, and is not an example at all.
                And it is a deliberate misleading, with the help of a common cheap trick: to take it out of context and present it in its interpretation.


                Well, just like the Communists - faithful Leninists are necessary for a correct interpretation


                What do you think?
                This order is present in any field.
                Who can understand, for example, written in a textbook on differential equations? Probably at least passed an exam in this subject.
                And to diagnose the patient and prescribe treatment? Certified physician.

                I just give you advice on what needs to be done to correctly understand the Bible.
                But pulling out of context and distorting the meaning is not necessary, this is not good.


                sometimes ignorance of the Bible makes it impossible to reveal the artistic intent of the author. An example of this is the beginning of the "History of the City of the Fool" in which well, just the 8th chapter is retold by the author.


                Excellent.
                Now we need to find out how the author himself understood the Bible, and to adapt according to his understanding.
                We will read the Bible to understand the artistic intent of the author.
                Again, fraught with serious misunderstanding of the Bible.
                First you need to understand the Bible correctly, and then go to the "authors".


                One doesn’t interfere with the other, but is it probably nice to lead a dumb herd that looks in your mouth and catches your every word on faith? Do not strain on uncomfortable questions, sometimes experiencing their own faith. Well, self-esteem as a pillar of faith again warms the soul. This is generally a hefty sin, believe it a word, pride has borne in life, tickled the soul, before the hangover after it is pretty.


                On the person to go to nothing.
                I am not a clergyman.
                You accuse people of “taking every word on faith,” and at the same time, you invite me to take your word for it.
                Did the clergy do something bad for you?
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                2. avt
                  avt 24 July 2013 13: 53
                  0
                  Quote: Zhuchok
                  The example you cited is not indicative, and is not an example at all.
                  And it is a deliberate misleading, with the help of a common cheap trick: to take it out of context and present it in its interpretation.

                  Uh no! The most indicative thing is that it is holistic because even in the Bible it has been singled out in a separate chapter and, by no means, is not misleading. But misleading and avoiding this moralizing is just the statement that these things were said to the people of God chosen, well, it seems that this has nothing to do with the goyim.
                  Quote: Zhuchok
                  Who can understand, for example, written in a textbook on differential equations? Probably at least passed an exam in this subject.
                  And to diagnose the patient and prescribe treatment? Certified physician.
                  That’s why the textbook should be used to learn from it, but the doctor really makes the diagnosis, but not as an interpreter of the doctor’s actions laughing And then many after such interpreters of the Bible then really have to turn to a psychiatrist, you can check the correctness of my words at Krutitsky Compound at the abbot Berestov and Dvorkin there.
                  Quote: Zhuchok
                  Now we need to find out how the author himself understood the Bible, and to adapt according to his understanding.
                  We will read the Bible to understand the artistic intent of the author.
                  Again, fraught with serious misunderstanding of the Bible.

                  So to understand that plan and you must at least read the Bible. Well do not put the cart in front of the horse. laughing And if he didn’t understand something, albeit with a child’s question, then go to the priest, but it’s advisable to ask a few. So in comparison, the brain will work. But it’s your will, and I’m kind of the old-fashioned way - by studying the primary sources of the topic that interests me and exposing all statements regarding their doubt, which I also wish you, and do not impose.
          2. Zhuchok
            Zhuchok 22 July 2013 22: 31
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            And I also wanted to add.
            A prerequisite for a proper understanding of the Bible is a sincere faith in God. If this is not the case, it is better not to read, otherwise you may misunderstand.
            Now many people read the Bible as a simple story, and then ask questions like “Why is God so cruel?”, “Why did God kill people?”, And so on, forgetting that the Bible is a religious book, not a novel or story.
      2. lexe
        lexe 22 July 2013 12: 41
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        And without the nobles. For what are they to us? To know so, she generally betrayed the Tsar-Faith again to them.
        Emperor? S worthy.
        You in your ideas about the monarchy - still collect vaz 2101 laughing
        I'm a fan of retro cars with full tuning laughing
        Mobilization ... and what is the teaching bad then?)
        1. strange and pretty meaningless
          strange and pretty meaningless 22 July 2013 14: 00
          +2
          Quote: Zhuchok
          The monarch was perceived as a father

          And what has changed - the anointing of the Pope will add holiness to him? Or already, indeed, introduce him to the dignity of the Monarch.
          Quote: Lexi
          I'm a fan of retro cars with full tuning

          It will be finally full tuning.
          1. lexe
            lexe 22 July 2013 14: 49
            0
            It will finally be full tuning.

            I didn’t understand your idea. Or just ... - do not approve?
            A rusty penny with a speedometer of 500 km / h and posters inside I do not need, will fall apart.
            1. strange and pretty meaningless
              strange and pretty meaningless 22 July 2013 15: 41
              +2
              Quote: Lexi
              I did not understand your thought.

              I mean that the restoration of the Monarchy with an Orthodox facade "a la rus" - and will be that rusty "penny". With advertisements for cigarettes on the sides. Forgot how priests made vodka with ebna?
    2. Bigriver
      Bigriver 22 July 2013 12: 49
      +2
      Quote: Lexi
      ... The red project in the twentieth century fulfilled its main task - it defended the independence of Russia: ... Militarily, yes ...

      Independence is sovereignty. It cannot be military or civilian. He either is, or he is not.
      1. lexe
        lexe 22 July 2013 13: 01
        -1
        For military sovereignty to be unshakable for centuries to come
        need civil sovereignty. These are related things.
        And so, in the short term, you can also heat wood.
        Do you think Bismarck immediately united Germany? No ... first he worked for both people and the economy.
        War is just a continuation of civilian politics.
        1. Bigriver
          Bigriver 22 July 2013 13: 37
          +3
          Quote: Lexi
          For military sovereignty to be unshakable for centuries to come
          need civil sovereignty. These are related things ..

          Do not confuse yourself.
          A sovereign state is a state that implements its domestic and foreign policies regardless of any external forces.
          Military, civil, scientific, maritime, liberal and other sovereignty does not exist.
          He alone is state!
          You can not be pregnant partially. Either yes or no :)
          1. lexe
            lexe 22 July 2013 19: 30
            +1
            All that you wrote BigRiver in the past.
            The system of international treaties and agreements is so developed that now all states
            You can not be pregnant partially. Either yes or no :)

            . laughing in a difficult position.
            To have military sovereignty today is simply to have firmer positions in the negotiations.
            And obligations infringing on sovereignty will still be the question of what and how much.
            Here is Russia today ... We can erase the planet into dust, but we cannot feed ourselves. Why?
            And because everyone has agriculture, unlike oil and gas production.
            And what can Europe pay with us besides visas and branded goods?
            We infringed on our peasant? Yes. But there are more potential peasants than oil and gas workers.
            And the infringement of the interests of its citizens is a hole in sovereignty.
            But we can gasp ...
    3. strange and pretty meaningless
      strange and pretty meaningless 22 July 2013 13: 55
      +1
      Quote: Lexi
      Also, Orthodox crosses were massively worn in only one country, the Russian Empire!

      Yes, you carry your cross - on the chest - why should they swing around their heads ?! Orthodoxy has already begun to smell of sectarianism - as in recent times, calls for generalized Christianization have been very bellicose. It was already - with the extermination of the Old Believers - the priests did not save the Russian Empire from collapse.
      1. lexe
        lexe 22 July 2013 14: 44
        -1
        I treat the Old Believers well. I believe that the split must be overcome. There are no more hardworking Russians than the Old Believers, there is something to think about.
        Yes, you carry your cross - on the chest - why should they swing around their heads ?!

        I’m observing a completely different picture, the bulging of sectarian ideas. If 80% of Russians were seriously belligerent in calls ... well, you understand. So the Orthodox are still peaceful. Or for now.
        Do not think that 70 years of power crossed out a 1000-year history. Sectarians are those who are in opposition.
        70 years and 100 years. So who is the sectarian then?
        1. strange and pretty meaningless
          strange and pretty meaningless 22 July 2013 15: 15
          +3
          Quote: Lexi
          Sectarians are those who are in opposition.
          70 years

          The views cleared up - commies of the sectarian. Come on, and the red stars on the wings of the Motherland must be covered up ... The country is still alive with the backlog made by the Communists - but no longer, Lenin and Stalin have been written down in unchrist-destroyers. Orthodoxy of the brain is a classic.
          Quote: Lexi
          So the Orthodox are still peaceful. Or for now.

          Yes, everyone came across. Just now, a clergyman taught me an Orthodoxy lesson for children. So it turned out that already the Great Patriotic War was won with the active assistance of the saints - and solely by the will of God. But the Communists hid it ... It is strange - how many heard the stories of his grandfather, still living veterans, read memoirs - not a word about the saints. Mostly all on their own.
          But Buddhists and Muslims, it turns out (told the priest) - well ... not very pure in motives. Now there are voices in full to make such lessons obligatory. I have one wording - this is OBSCURANTISM.
          1. lexe
            lexe 22 July 2013 16: 35
            -3
            OBSCURANTISM.

            Demons: Even here is a word about the enemies of the human race.
            And the term is old, up to communist. laughing
            The ideologists of the new faith did not bother much. Building a new faith on the old foundation. But he is the foundation and not the superstructure.
            And the superstructure says the foundation-hey you fell apart! Obscurantism! laughing
            Yes, everyone came across. Just one clergyman

            Under communists, I often came across decent people. laughing Maybe the problem is that you want to see only the bad?
            But Buddhists and Muslims, it turns out (told the priest) - well ... not very pure in motives.


            Are you alluding to interfaith discord?
            She will not be. All other faiths are just waiting for the Russian people to come to their senses!
            Christians in the West just pray for Russia! And miss such a chance! Unification of Christianity!? - whoever doesn’t understand this is really obscurantist.
            Well, you and the red stars on the wings of the Motherland must be hushed up ...

            First you need to create wings.
            In World War II, white supporters in exile handed in family decorations to our stars! And whoever didn’t have them, volunteered for Western armies to meet the Germans and help their homeland!
            But if you nevertheless decided
            The views cleared up

            Then boldly sign up for the Chinese Communist Party. For nobody will tolerate empty lands. After all, are you going to take off the crosses with your heads? And oh, how many heads ...
            1. strange and pretty meaningless
              strange and pretty meaningless 23 July 2013 03: 03
              +2
              Quote: Lexi
              After all, are you going to remove crosses with your heads? And oh, how many heads ...

              request you confuse me with someone, "Orthodox". You walk with your crosses - and may the foreign countries pray for you laughing maybe he’ll hand over family decorations laughing cast more churches in concrete. Additional. In place of kindergartens. By the way, those that after the 17th destroyed - here you all do not blame the red. Those churches were broken by the peasants, who were sick of the priests with their methods of implanting the salvation of the soul, indulgences and vestments embroidered with gold. History repeats itself. Their "simple prayers" have not yet prevented the Christians of the West from shooting tomahawks throughout the Slavic world. The severed children's heads during the bombing of refugee columns in Yugoslavia are your fellow believers, not evil voodoo negroes or insidious Chinese.
              All this demagogy for the general Christianization of Russia is a diversion from reality. If in my words you see the felled crosses - take it. But when I see how churches with priests selling candles appear in the villages INSTEAD of schools and teachers ... You go to the farm with your "opium for the people."
              1. lexe
                lexe 23 July 2013 11: 56
                -1
                Your arguments fully justify your nickname.
                backwards, are you promoting your ideas? laughing
                Glavryba, you don’t even have elementary respect for the worldview, including your ancestors. And is it in a country with different faiths? No ... your views are really in the past, real opium is left behind.
                History repeats itself.

                This is the only thing that I saw valuable in your stream of words.
                I advise everyone to watch the program of July 22, 2013-Baptism of Russia.
                The 2nd baptism of Rus took place!as if someone didn’t want it. So this is today's reality.
                And the Slavic world is ready to unite under Christian values, it’s not just a hindrance.
                And not only Slavic ...
                Vivat, Russia!
                1. strange and pretty meaningless
                  strange and pretty meaningless 23 July 2013 13: 54
                  +2
                  Quote: Lexi
                  Your arguments fully justify your nickname.
                  backwards, are you promoting your ideas?

                  Everyone understands how much. If we go back to the original source - "Heart of a Dog" - your post, "Orthodox", can be described in words of a character who is closer to you - in spelling. Incomparable Polygraph: "... and we will evict Bormental!" Very similar to the "devoutly believing" elderly Komsomol members. Yesterday hayali - today they hurt their foreheads - "a thousand-year history, true paths" ...
                  Quote: Lexi
                  This is the only thing that I saw valuable in your stream of words.

                  This, dear man, is the only thing that you made out of what was said.
                  Quote: Lexi
                  look at the phonetics of the language - if it is too rich - this is a signal
                  What is the signal - overload of the moss? wassat
                  Quote: Lexi
                  you don’t even have basic respect for the worldview, including your ancestors.

                  Overheated small laughing Huddle your own "ancestors". This is no joke.
                  Quote: Lexi
                  The 2nd baptism of Russia took place! As if someone did not want it. So this is today's reality.
                  And the Slavic world is ready to unite under Christian values, it’s not just a hindrance.
                  And not only Slavic ...
                  Vivat, Russia!

                  laughing laughing laughing The most powerful block of thoughts. All the same "advice on a space scale" and a space one ... Re-educate the Chinese, kid, I will not interfere. In the matter of familiarizing the "unreasonable masses" with the holy faith, I am not a hindrance to you. To interfere with such "bearers of faith" - only to disperse the attention of the "masses". You will reveal yourself in all its glory. One spelling is worth it wassat PGM - phase of exacerbation.
                  1. lexe
                    lexe 23 July 2013 14: 31
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                    eccentric man go to sea laughingGlavryba \ abyrvalg
                    And I have never been a Komsomol member, really not old.
                    Punctuation? - you catch the same meanings as you snarl. laughing
                    Or dessert laughing (sorry dissertation) do you write? -and I break off the insert when copying?
                    Sorry my dissertation is from the word dessert.
                    From the heart and with a full heart, so appreciate it.
                    1. strange and pretty meaningless
                      strange and pretty meaningless 23 July 2013 15: 26
                      +1
                      Quote: Lexi
                      Or do you write a dessert (sorry dissertation)?

                      Do you, little, and comment - a whole dissertation? request
                      Quote: Lexi
                      breaks when copying?

                      Melted away from attention, small? wassat
                      Quote: Lexi
                      And I have never been a Komsomol member, really not old.

                      This is obvious, my young reader. Do not take it to your account wassat
                      Quote: Lexi

                      From the heart and with a full heart, so appreciate it.

                      May it not be impoverishedlaughinga heart laughing laughing laughing Well, you enjoy free - at least read what wassat
                      Quote: Lexi
                      my dissertation is from the word

                      ..ser. Don't go to see your grandmother, "faithful" hi
                      1. lexe
                        lexe 23 July 2013 16: 04
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                        dosvidos Giant-Glavryba (whale apparently). laughing
                        I'll harpoon you next time.
                      2. strange and pretty meaningless
                        strange and pretty meaningless 24 July 2013 06: 02
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                        Grow the harpoon, dosvidos.
  • georg737577
    georg737577 22 July 2013 12: 55
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    If the Khazins of Russia write projects ... I do not envy the Russians.
    1. lav566
      lav566 22 July 2013 13: 24
      +1
      Could you be more specific than you do not like Khazin?
      In my opinion, he sensibly criticizes the current government of the Russian Federation.
  • shpuntik
    shpuntik 22 July 2013 13: 19
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    "Red" project? At what cost? Will it turn red with blood? To put millions under the knife again?
    Sorry: the Americans flew into space the same way, dams were built without posters, without civil war.
    So they have now, electricity and gasoline are cheaper than ours. Khazin is fulfilling someone’s order; he wants to become the second Karl Marx. So he was cursed by everyone, of this Marx: because of one book they took away 1/6 of the land acquired (there was a massacre), and in the 90s they shared the common wealth, among themselves - by party bonzes and Komsomol leaders, and where is the justice? Another fantasy for ordinary people.
    1. lav566
      lav566 22 July 2013 13: 42
      +1
      Khazin is actually a marketer and liberal (not to be confused with a liberalist),
      and he had a proposal to think over a new Red Project,
      I think out of despair. Time goes by, thieves continue to steal, the economy
      It’s getting worse. Personally, I don’t understand what Pu is waiting for. I'm afraid of my American
      "partners"? Recently he called them "friends." They are, in my opinion,
      from the category of "enemies" and did not leave.
      I received a mandate from the people to carry out a certain policy,
      Already a year and a half has passed. I wrote sensible articles on the need
      new industrialization, etc. What are we waiting for?
      1. A-50
        A-50 22 July 2013 14: 31
        +3
        Quote: lav566
        What are we waiting for?

        We are waiting for the bird. A rooster. Fried.
      2. shpuntik
        shpuntik 22 July 2013 15: 26
        +2
        lav566 RU Today, 13:42 ↑ New
        As time goes on, thieves continue to steal, the economy
        It’s getting worse. Personally, I don’t understand what Pu is waiting for ...

        You, please, your naivety - electoral, donate to someone, or sell - if someone buys. What is stealing? There is a redistribution of budgetary money through "theirs", whoever is not "theirs" is caught on a bribe, instead they put "theirs".
        Watch Medvedev's speech at the United Russia congress, before the presidential elections: "... this is our country, and we will not give it up." Who do you think they are addressed to?
      3. falcon
        falcon 22 July 2013 15: 45
        +2
        Quote: lav566

        I received a mandate from the people to carry out a certain policy,
        Already a year and a half has passed. I wrote sensible articles on the need
        new industrialization, etc. What are we waiting for?

        Let me correct you, it's been thirteen years already!
    2. Metlik
      Metlik 22 July 2013 22: 26
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      Quote: shpuntik
      So he was cursed by all, of this Marx: because of one book - they took away the 1/6 of the land acquired (there was a massacre)


      Do not go down to the level of Sharikov, Marx is really a good scientist and economist. He very clearly proves that the capitalist economy is a dead end. Keynes, the monetarists tried to create a mechanism of protection against the crisis - but nothing came of it. America is sinking, and we and it are not in the way. Open your eyes - look at China and draw conclusions until we are pulled into the funnel from the Titanic.
      1. shpuntik
        shpuntik 23 July 2013 01: 33
        +1

        Metlik RU Today, 22:26 PM ↑ New
        Do not stoop to the level of Sharikov, Marx is really a good scientist and economist. He very clearly proves that the capitalist economy is a dead end.

        Economist? It would have been better if he had not been, as Sharikov would not have been without him.
        A lot has been done for Russia:
        “Muscovy was raised and raised in the terrible and vile school of Mongol slavery. It only grew stronger because it became virtuoso in the art of slavery. Even after its liberation, Muscovy continued to play its traditional role of a slave who became a master. Subsequently, Peter the Great combined the political art of the Mongol slave with the proud aspirations of the Mongol ruler, whom Genghis Khan bequeathed to carry out his plan to conquer the world. (K. Marx, "Exposing the diplomatic history of the XNUMXth century") "

        This warlock devoted his whole life to one thing:
        "Karl Marx (Moses Mordechai Levy)

        "I want to build myself a throne
        On a huge cold mountain
        Surrounded by human fear
        where dark pain reigns. "


        "You see this sword -
        The prince of darkness sold it to me ...
        You, Satan, will fall into the abyss (i.e., into Hell),
        And I will follow you with a laugh ...
        And soon I will give up to humanity
        My titanic curses ...
        By accepting my teaching,
        The world will stupidly die ... "

        Well, leave economic theories for business, and about the "crisis of overproduction" - please do not lol .
        1. Metlik
          Metlik 23 July 2013 09: 48
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          Quote: shpuntik
          about the "overproduction crisis" - please don't

          Yes, let’s draw circles around us with chalk and we’ll mumble me, and let the Chinese study the economy — we don’t need it.
          1. shpuntik
            shpuntik 23 July 2013 17: 28
            +1
            Metlik RU Today, 09:48 ↑
            Yes, let’s draw circles around us with chalk and we’ll mumble me, and let the Chinese study the economy — we don’t need it.

            The Chinese live according to Karl Marx? Or maybe the USA? In fact, Adam Smith was more accurate, they printed it on a banknote and they didn’t roll a barrel on it.
            "ESIC established the ADAM SMITH MEDAL * (MEDAL EUROPEAN SCIENTIFIC AND INDUSTRIAL CONSORTIUM" ESIC "- ADAM SMITH), which serves as a confirmation of the public recognition of the merits of specialists and scientists in the field of economics and finance."

            Marx is more complicated: on the one hand, he gave the correct formula for added value, but everything came down to the class struggle. His whole aspiration was: to make a revolution in Germany (which by the way failed), and just at that time, Russia and his accomplices interfered with him, hatred for the peoples who inhabited it simply explained:
            http://nyctos.ru/marks.html (read quotes from Shulchan Aruch).
            And time has shown what the purpose of his theory of the class struggle is. Economy (cutlets) separately, (flies) racial intolerance - separately. Above I said: "Leave the economic theory for business." It is necessary to study it, who is an economist. The same Yegor Gaidar studied him carefully.
            Now tell me what happened in Detroit? Why did he become a bankrupt city? Karl Marx not in the know? The crisis of overproduction ??! Or did the means of production leave for cheap labor?
            Today, the crisis of overproduction is a flaw in the logistics department of the company, and, on the contrary, human capital has shown its primary role in the economy (an example of China).
            1. Metlik
              Metlik 23 July 2013 18: 26
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              Quote: shpuntik
              The Chinese live according to Karl Marx?

              If you do not know, the Communist Party rules in China. In China, a planned economy, although it has little state property - and I did not write that Capital of Marx is a dogma, you only need to be able to read it and draw conclusions. The class struggle is just a small part of his work, exorbitantly inflated by the Bolsheviks.
              I agree with you about the role of the human factor - that’s right. But to reduce the crisis of overproduction to logistics is too simplistic.

              If Adam Smith was accurate in America there would be no great and long depressions. Then no one has transferred production to China.
              Quote: shpuntik
              It is necessary to study it, who is an economist.

              We are discussing the proposals of M. Khazin, an economist, aren't we?
              1. shpuntik
                shpuntik 24 July 2013 09: 46
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                Metlik Yesterday, 18:26 ↑
                If Adam Smith was accurate in America there would be no great and long depressions. Then no one has transferred production to China.

                I apologize, but the overproduction crisis has nothing to do with the Great Depression, it is a "financial bubble". In 2008, the same scheme came to "derevotivs", but on a smaller scale.
                What were the goals? 2000 thousand banks have sunk into oblivion + untying the dollar from gold + buying up cheap gold from the population, etc.
                Here, our experts evaluate:

                1. shpuntik
                  shpuntik 24 July 2013 10: 50
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                  And, here are the foreign experts that they think:
                2. Metlik
                  Metlik 24 July 2013 16: 47
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                  The film only confirms my arguments. The USSR was developing, the USA had to come to the same planned social system, otherwise they would not have come out of depression. I especially liked the quotes from Marx, which you ranked among the demons.
        2. Metlik
          Metlik 23 July 2013 10: 26
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          Karl Marx (Moses Mordechai Levy)
          Newton was also a Jew. So, if a brick falls on your head — the Jew is to blame — there was no need to publish an article on the law of gravity.
          1. shpuntik
            shpuntik 23 July 2013 17: 34
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            Captain
            Metlik RU Today, 10:26 ↑
            Karl Marx (Moses Mordechai Levy)
            Newton was also a Jew. So, if a brick falls on your head — the Jew is to blame — there was no need to publish an article on the law of gravity.

            I did not write that he was a Jew, you said that. hi
            1. Metlik
              Metlik 23 July 2013 18: 43
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              There are no nationalities in science. Burning books is a sign of weakness. “Who kills a Man kills a reasonable creature, Gods Image; but hee who destroyes a good Booke, kills reason it selfe, kills the Image of God ”D. Milton.
  • lav566
    lav566 22 July 2013 13: 21
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    The argument that a better-host or community is resolved simply-
    in practice. Just do not prohibit anything, as in the USSR.
    If you want to be a master, create your own business and work hard.
    If you want to work in a community or an artel, please.
    I've already talked about the fishing artel (see above), whose work I observed
    from close range. There is only one thing to thieves
    the officials didn’t interfere.
    then you don’t want to work.
    And the market will put everything in its place
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