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Fragments of black hawks. NATO losses in Yugoslavia

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Fragments of black hawks. NATO losses in Yugoslavia



President Clinton perplexedly wandered around the offices of the White House, unable to look into the harsh faces of the founding fathers of the United States.

“My son, you are sitting here for a second term, but you have not bombed anyone yet,” the statue of George Washington shook her head reproachfully.

“What do you say to Congress, the Pentagon, and representatives of the war industry?” - Thomas Jefferson echoed him. tanksleave your voters without a livelihood? ”

“A quick victorious war on foreign shores is the best remedy for the depression of the American nation,” the wise Benjamin Franklin joined the conversation. The war will be beneficial to America, it will once again weaken the Old World and emphasize the prestige of the United States. The war will strengthen your rating and unite the American nation in front of a common threat. Choose your opponent weaker; the one whom you have for many years been a stupor for economic sanctions and embargoes. They came upon him with all their might, tore apart and tear to pieces with the help of the "arsenals of democracy". America is waiting for its hero.

“I ... I tried my best,” Bill Clinton mumbled. A special operation in Somalia, air strikes on Iraq as part of Operation Desert Fox ... it's almost 600 sorties "

- "The leprosy of the unfit boy!" - sharply interrupted Lyndon Johnson. 600 sorties ?! What is this shit, soldier ?! My hawks dropped 6,7 million tons of bombs on Vietnam. This is a slaughter! There must be people dying every day! Or have you been chosen for the post of President of the United States so that you smear your snot? America needs war! Do you understand me, cowboy ?! ”

- Yes, sir!

- I can not hear.

- Yes, sir!

Steel fist in velvet glove

For war with small Serbia, the USAF and NATO countries concentrated a colossal amount of air attack weapons: more than 1000 attack aircraft, helicopters and combat support vehicles stationed in Italy (Aviano, Vicenza, Istrana, Ancona, Joey del Colet, Gedi, Piacenza airbases, Celivia, Brindisi, Sigonela, Trapani), France (Istres, Crosetta and Solenzar airbases on Corsica), Hungary (Tasar airbase), Spain (Rota airbase), Germany (Ramstein and Spangdalen airbases), United Kingdom (Theaford and Mildenhall air bases ). Also, the B-2 stealth bombers, operating from the United States (Whiteman Air Force Base), were involved in strikes.

Special operations forces were deployed at the border airfields of Albania, Bosnia and Macedonia: search and rescue and evacuation teams (Pave Hawk and Jolly Green helicopters), MC-130 combat aircraft, AP-64 attack helicopters and Apache helicopters and vehicles fire support AC-130 "Spectrum".



From the Adriatic Sea, the group was supported by four missile cruisers, two American and one British nuclear submarines, whose mission was to strike with cruise missiles — in the early days of the war, Tomahawks smashed the positions of Serbian air defense missiles, destroyed radar, headquarters buildings and command centers, decapitated and disorganized the army of the Federal Republic of Yugoslavia.

In addition to the carriers of cruise missiles, in the Adriatic were a number of other ships of the Sixth fleet and the Navy of NATO countries, however, their presence was limited only to the expression of moral support for aircraft flying over their masts. On the 12th day of the war, the nuclear carrier “Theodore Roosevelt” approached the shores of Yugoslavia, and its wing also joined in the work to destroy the Serbian state.


Let's go!



And we arrived. The wreckage of the F-16C Block 40D # 88-0550 fighter from Aviano air base. Museum aviation in Belgrade

The most important role was assigned to the information component of the operation: the NATO command sought to gain complete control over the situation on the ground and in the skies of Yugoslavia. The following were involved in the performance of reconnaissance flights:

- X-NUMX of E-9 “Sentry” flying radar and 3 of E-5 “Houkai” deck-based long-range radar detection aircraft to cover the air situation and coordinate the flights of NATO aviation.
- X-NUMX aerial reconnaissance aircraft E-2 “G-Stars” systems - long-range air observation systems for ground objects;
- 12 of electronic reconnaissance aircraft (EC-130, RC-135W, Navy EP-3C “Aries”) used for direction finding radio devices, searching for downed pilot beacons, building a radar map of the enemy and defining safe “corridors” in the enemy’s air defense system.
- X-NUMX high-altitude reconnaissance U-5 "Dragon Lady": soaring along the borders of the combat zone, these "birds" revealed all the movements and preparations of the Serbian army.

The orbital grouping of the USA was actively involved in the fulfillment of reconnaissance missions. As for the odious GPS system, the Yankees "clicked on the nose" the whole world, simply turning off the navigation satellites at the beginning of the war. The winged “Tomahawks” independently navigated by the terrain (TERCOM system), and NATO aircraft used specialized radio navigation systems. At the same time, GPS data could be used in the interests of the enemy, which resulted in the immediate shutdown of the system.

Note. During the invasion of Iraq (2003) and the air operation in Libya (2011) this was no longer observed - a lot of high-precision weapons appeared in service with American aircraft. weaponsusing in their work the GPS data.

During the 78 days of the air war, NATO aircraft made 38 000 combat sorties, including 10 484 shock. Aviation brought on the “wings of freedom” 23 614 aircraft ammunition, not counting sea-based cruise missiles (all American and British ships spent 700 “Tomahawks” order). The damage from the bombing exceeded 200 billion dollars.


The ruins of the General Staff building. Belgrade, our days

Weak aviation and outdated Serbian air defense systems failed to repel such a massive attack. Weakened by endless internal conflict, international economic sanctions and military embargoes, the Federal Republic of Yugoslavia was cruelly crucified by NATO vultures.

Defense

As part of the Air Force of the FRY, there were only the first generation 14 fighters of the first generation and two combat-training “Sparky” MiG-29UB without radar. In the absence of high-quality target designation and more than 29-multiple enemy superiority in fighter aircraft, few of the MiGs who dared to take to the air turned into easy targets for NATO pilots. The result - 20 machines lost in aerial combat, without any result.

In addition to the MiG-29, the Air Force of the FRY included 34 serviceable MiG-21 and the 100 order subsonic Galeb, Super Galeb and J-22 attack aircraft. Exposing such cars against modern F-15 and F-16 US Air Force would be pure suicide. The only confirmed air victory of the Serbian MiG-21 is the Tomahawk cruise missile, shot down by 24 March 1999 of the year.


Fighter F-16. On the fuselage there is a mark about the destroyed MiG

The Serbian air defense system included the 12 of the C-125М1Т Neva and 20 battalions of the Kub mobile air defense missile systems, 1970’s, with low noise immunity and low range, which is completely ineffective in modern conditions.
Also in service there was about 100 mobile systems "Strela-1" and "Strela-10", whose capabilities corresponded to MANPADS rather than full-fledged anti-aircraft missile systems.

However, even to suppress such a meager defense, NATO had to pretty much sweat: on the identified positions of the Serbian air defense missile systems, 743 "smart" AGM-88 HARM missiles were launched, targeting radar sources.

And the more striking is the following fact: in spite of the outdated and ineffective hardware, a huge number of HARM and ALARM anti-radar missiles launched, incessant bombardments and strikes with cruise missiles, the Serbia air defense system SAVED and was able to achieve several bright victories!

The Kunstkammer

As soon as it comes to NATO air casualties in the operation against Yugoslavia, opinions are divided into two radical points of view:
1. NATO's real losses ranked in hundreds of cars.
2. The highly developed civilization of the West "bent" backward Slavs with a "dry" score - the losses of the Air Forces of the Coalition countries do not exceed a few units.

As for the author’s point of view, she recognizes the minimal losses of the NATO Air Forces, but draws completely different conclusions from this: surprisingly, how did the Serbs manage to achieve victories under such unfavorable conditions ?! And what would happen if the Slavic brothers had anything more serious than the Kub air defense system?
However, first things first.

It is obvious that the myths about the destruction of the Serbian air defense of hundreds of enemy aircraft, including the B-2 “Spirit” stealth bombers, are nothing more than imagination of impressionable citizens. What kind of universal attention was surrounded by the downed "invisible" F-117 - its fragments are shown in the museum, books are written about it and films are shot. It is not difficult to imagine what a furore the fall of the X-NUMX-ton monster B-150 would produce. Alas ... the "downed" aircraft disappeared without a trace in the fantasies of conspiracy therapists.

Similar история comes with a list of destroyed tactical aircraft of NATO - dozens of F-15, F-16, Tornado, A-10 attack aircraft, helicopters with special forces ... Explanations of the difficulty of finding fragments in the mountains of Yugoslavia do not pass: Yugoslavia is a very densely populated country, what As for the “debris falling into the sea”, the damaged aircraft still need to fly to the sea - from Belgrade to the coast over 300 km.

It is also not possible to hide the fact of numerous aircraft crashes in the territory of neighboring states: despite the “evacuation of debris” and “bribing of witnesses”, this would sooner or later become known. Too enchanting event.

However, the pro-Western public rejoices early on how "NATO defeated the savages, losing the entire 2 aircraft."



In addition to knocked down F-117A "Nighthawk" and F-16С Block 40D "Fighting Folkan", whose fragments are exposed for everyone to see in the windows of the Aviation Museum in Belgrade, a number of incidents occurred that (attention!) Were recognized by the NATO command on official level. Some of them are openly given the status of "combat loss", the other part is disguised under the pretexts of various navigational accidents and technical reasons.

For example, the 1 of May 1999 of the year over the Adriatic Sea was lost aircraft AV-8 Harrier II (number 164568, 365-I squadron of the US Marine Corps). It goes without saying that the crash happened during the execution of the training flight - the Pentagon insists on this version.


AH-64A Apache Debris (# 88-0250, Company B of the 6th Battalion of the 6th Cavalry Regiment of the US Army)

No less sadly ended were two training flights of Apache helicopters - the shock machines crashed in the mountains on the border of Serbia and Albania on the night of April 26 and, accordingly, on May 5 of the year 1999. The first time there were no casualties, the second time the “Apache” killed both crew members. The reason for the fall? The Pentagon associates both disasters with navigation errors. This time, Americans are not far from the truth - to break a helicopter in the mountains in the dark is easier than to snap your fingers. Another question is how “educational” were these sorties?

2 May 1999 The Thunderbolt A-10 (81-0967) attacked the engine right over Serbia ... however, the Yankees didn’t hide anything at that time - the plane was shot down from Strela-2. . The explosion disfigured the right engine, but the surviving “bird” managed to reach the airport of Skopje (Macedonia).



Infrequently, there is a mention that there were at least two losses among the “invisibles”:
21 on April 1999 of the year with an F-117A aircraft (86-0837 number) performing a combat mission during a NATO operation against Yugoslavia, an “A-class incident” occurred. Under this name in the US Air Force are severe accidents, usually leading to the death / write-off of the aircraft.

Since there is no evidence of a plane crashing into the territory of the FRY or neighboring states, the aircraft most likely crashed during takeoff or landing at one of the NATO air bases. That does not exclude the impact on its design of enemy fire - the aircraft could get damaged over the target, which, ultimately, caused his death or heavy damage when trying to land.

But that's not all!

The exhibition of the Aviation Museum in Belgrade has several amazing exhibits:
- Lightweight French UAV Sagem Crecerelle;
- large American drone RQ-1 "Predator";
- fragments of a sea-based cruise missile BGM-109 "Tomahawk".

Representatives of NATO themselves officially acknowledge the loss of an unmanned aerial vehicle 21 in the skies over Yugoslavia, including the 2 heavy “Predator”:
- 13 in May 1999. The unmanned reconnaissance aircraft (onboard number 95-3019) shot down the Strela-1 air defense missile system in the area of ​​Biba village;
- 20 in May 1999, another RQ-1 (95-3021) came under attack from the air defense system near the village of Talinovce.

There is a mention that the Serbs shot down several NATO UAVs by simply shooting them from a Mi-8 helicopter.


UAV RQ-1 Predator


As for cruise missiles, the Tomahawks were shot down by several dozen - a very commendable result for such a primitive air defense system as Serbia had at that time.

Impregnable stronghold

No bravura speeches and "capturing" moods. It has long been worthwhile to take off the "rose-colored glasses" and admit that the air defense system of the Federal Republic of Yugoslavia failed its task: NATO aircraft brazenly walked over the heads of the Serbs, pouring them with a fiery shower of cluster munitions.
No unreasonable fantasies about heavy casualties among NATO aircraft — the Serbs did not shoot down a large number of enemy aircraft, and could not shoot them down due to the weakness of their air defense system. All 2 combat aircraft + a number of shot down / damaged turntables, UAVs and cruise missiles became the Serbian trophies.

Despite such a sad ending, the wreckage of black hawks from the Belgrade Aviation Museum clearly shows that powerful NATO aircraft are not invulnerable. It can and must be fought! Even primitive air defense complexes, in conditions of absolute numerical superiority of the enemy, made it possible to achieve high-profile victories - of course, this is about the F-117A: the destruction of an invisible plane was one of the most curious pages in the history of modern aviation.

For a moment we close our eyes and try to simulate the situation: instead of outdated "Cubes" and stationary C-125, the Serbs were in the hands ... no, not the famous C-300.
The “300th” anti-aircraft complex is too cumbersome and complex, besides in the conditions of mountainous Yugoslavia it loses its main advantages - mobility and long range.

Assume that the Serbian Air Defense has received 15-20 of the Buk-М1-2 medium-range air defense missile systems. In technical terms, the Buk-M1-2 is no less perfect than the C-300 SAM, and a smaller firing range is compensated for by the best stealth and mobility of the complex.

In addition to the “Bukam” - a hundred of the simplest ZSU-23-4 “Shilka” (or “Tunguska” - it’s impossible to dream of the С1 Shell ”): high-speed radar-guided anti-aircraft guns pose a deadly threat to low-flying airplanes (will not rise above” Beech").

Do not neglect the portable air defense systems - "Strela-2", "Needle", FIM-92 Stinger. And the number is more, more (because they are relatively cheap). The massive use of such "toys" will give confidence, and cause serious difficulties in the work of enemy aircraft.

Finally, there must be a powerful political will to use all these weapons, and the general support of the population.

If the Serbs had all the above conditions, I would venture to suggest that the bombing of Yugoslavia might not have taken place. Assessing all possible risks, the Americans would appoint another “whipping boy”, shifting their priorities towards Somalia, Afghanistan and other completely backward countries - where there is a chance to avoid serious resistance.

Small photo gallery:


The wreckage of "Apache" in Albania





Serbian anti-aircraft artillery fires barrage



Part of the second stage of the anti-aircraft missile that hit the "invisible" on Budanovtsi



Trophy French UAV Sagem Crecerelle



RQ-1 Predator



SLCMB "Tomahawk" in section




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  1. Kuzkin Batyan
    Kuzkin Batyan 22 July 2013 07: 47
    14
    Before going into this topic, I thought. Again, they will take apart the already re-moused topic. But thanks to the photos from the museum I was surprised. I did not know that large UAVs were still used there. Good article.
    1. Greyfox
      Greyfox 22 July 2013 08: 19
      24
      I liked the article for its balance and objectivity. The myth about the downed B-2 is called a myth - only this can be put a plus. The main conclusion is that there are no invulnerable opponents. It's all about preparing for a fight and the desire to fight.
      1. Papakiko
        Papakiko 22 July 2013 11: 22
        +7
        Quote: Greyfox
        The main conclusion is that there are no invulnerable opponents. It's all about preparing for a fight and the desire to fight.

        Let me remind you that after the "Yugoslav events" Boris Yeltsin from a high rostrum announced that the Russian Federation reserves the right to preemptive strike.
        After the surrender of the USSR, our "sworn friends" are fighting without stopping.
        1991 Iraq "Storm in a Glass"
        1993 Somalia "Fall of the Hawk"
        1994 Haiti "Support for Democracy"
        1999 Yugoslavia "Deliberate Power"
        1998 Iraq "Desert Fox"
        2001 Afghanistan "Enduring Freedom"
        2003 Iraq "Iraqi Freedom"
        Etc.
      2. def89
        def89 23 July 2013 08: 42
        +4
        In June 99, our unit was alerted to enter Serbia !! but apparently someone did not have the courage to bring everything to an end!
    2. ben gun
      ben gun 22 July 2013 10: 01
      11
      The photos made me happy. Especially the inscription smiled on the first photo with the traitor - "THE TRAITOR is a drone wriggling flyer ..."
      laughing
      1. Santa Fe
        22 July 2013 12: 51
        +5
        Quote: ben gun
        "THE TRAITOR unmanned flying squad ..."

        Czech is even funnier
        An announcement at the Vaclav Havel airport by speakerphone took off a dream, as if by hand: SHAME ON THE LEFT !!! (It turned out, just: attention discount)

        The inscription on the banner: "WEB-SITE" (http: // ....)

        An inscription in an airport eatery: there are many different inscriptions, but I especially remember "SLADOED"

        Baggage: BEYOND

        finally, the stewardess in Czech is a flyer. Marvelous country, marvelous, kindred language

        And in order not to become weak - this is how the Yankees control their "unmanned coiling flight traitor" (Iraq, 2007)
        1. saturn.mmm
          saturn.mmm 22 July 2013 15: 29
          +7
          Quote: SWEET_SIXTEEN
          Czech is even funnier

          This is a habit, with a long stay you get used to it very quickly, then it seems that it is necessary.
          Thanks for the article, especially for the photo compilation. The topic is painful for Russia, I don’t want to go into the discussion.
          There is a topic for an article that you probably won't even master, let's call it "The result of the action of 20 F-117 aircraft in the US military company, in Iraq in 2003, the reasons for the F-117 decommissioning, the number of F-117 decommissioned." started digging, sheer secrets and confusion covered by darkness, maybe he was looking in the wrong place? I did not receive an answer to anyone I addressed.
  2. Predator-74
    Predator-74 22 July 2013 07: 52
    +2
    With the 117th, it turned out cool of course.
    1. Sirocco
      Sirocco 22 July 2013 08: 37
      +4
      It turned out to be even more fun in our distribution services, so that the United States was led to the fact that they slipped this get along with the Invisible. All this project was already in the safe, and was found to be ineffective. Since our radars operate on a different range.
    2. regsSSSR
      regsSSSR 22 July 2013 20: 27
      +5
      F-117A (ser. Number 82-0806), Lieutenant Colonel Dale Zelko and the 3rd battery of the 250th Air Defense Brigade (battery commander - Zoltan Dani) taken in the photo together against the background of 117 stealth ablocs
  3. Refund_SSSR
    Refund_SSSR 22 July 2013 07: 52
    +8
    Now compare these, albeit small, losses of the "great and invincible" NATO bloc in the fight against obsolete Soviet weapons and losses in the Georgian war 08.08.08
    Yes, they lost equipment, but they foolishly lost, but the potential enemy does not conduct their fights in the dry.
    1. Alexey Prikazchikov
      Alexey Prikazchikov 22 July 2013 08: 04
      +1
      Yeah, and when you consider that half of the aircraft were shot down by themselves. Against the background of NATO, we just do look good. And yes, in Serbia, happy mini Chernobyl after amers. A lot of people die of cancer. If they would have worked with the same ammunition, srach would still be. But to Amers, how much does everyone sit and remain silent.
      1. Refund_SSSR
        Refund_SSSR 22 July 2013 09: 22
        +7
        Googled the number of cases where the amers and NATO as a whole attacked their own or allied forces.
        So sarcasm is superfluous here.
        To shout is bad, but to sprinkle ashes on your head, saying that "the grass is greener at the neighbor, but we are all pro-salipolymers" - no better.
        At the same time, 08.08.08 is a spontaneous deployment of troops on alert, and not a planned, but poorly coordinated operation. So do not confuse the warm with the soft.
        1. Argon
          Argon 22 July 2013 11: 54
          +8
          Could you please tell the dear "USSR" why the entry of troops turned out to be spontaneous, despite the fact that South Ossetia was an unstable region in the zone of Russian geopolitical interests for more than 10 years? Why the decision to enter was taken 13 hours? Why the introduced grouping was not covered by an organized air defense system, as in places of concentration / concentration, and on the march? And was forced to use standard (very limited) air defense systems outside the "general information field"? I do not even want to consider the use of the Russian Air Force in the "Ossetian" conflict, taking into account all the "negligence" The analysis of the actions of the SFRY army (de jure at the time of the aggression) and, in fact, only Serbia, even on the basis of open press data (not very objective) shows that the centralized control of the air defense system was not destroyed (and this was then the enemy forces!), and the relatively low losses of NATO are explained by the initially low potential of the means at the disposal of the Yugoslavs. (according to ge The Yugoslavs shot down / damaged the erefia headquarters, about 350 aircraft). Despite the fact that the strategic objective of the aggression was achieved (which is more likely "-" of the collapsing Yugoslavia than "+" NATO groupings), a number of tactical goals were never achieved. For example, "complete air supremacy" NATO members never achieved (since 21s shoot down Tomahawks). Noteworthy is the fact (and this is typical for both conflicts) that with far from unequivocal military "victories" The pro-American forces are winning the "information war" by acting much more proactively. Actually, this dispute is an indirect confirmation of this, which indicates a lack of / contradictory awareness among readers.
      2. smiths xnumx
        smiths xnumx 22 July 2013 11: 15
        +5
        Everyone has a "friendly fire", remember the same American famously "flooded" with their advertised Patriot system, the British "Tornado" during the invasion of Iraq in 2003, the Argentines who finished off their "Mirage" during the Falklands War, Israelis who shot down the Hawk air defense missile system, their Hurricane, about the Arabs, I generally keep quiet about the Arabs, those in the course of the October 1973 war, in general, a quarter of all losses fell on their anti-aircraft gunners. And if you take into account, during the war, "888" from both planes of the same SU-25 brand, and Ossetian militias operated on the sides, due to the "hot Caucasian" mentality, who opened fire in the first days on everything that flies, we should admit our losses are not so great, although of course it would be better they were not. Yours faithfully!!!
    2. Santa Fe
      22 July 2013 12: 56
      0
      Now compare these, albeit small, losses of the "great and invincible" NATO bloc in the fight against obsolete Soviet weapons and losses in the Georgian war 08.08.08

      What for?

      What may be similar to the 78-day air war with a 5-day operation in the mountains of the Caucasus, where the main role was given to tanks, cities and 30 thousand soldiers on each side
  4. Sirocco
    Sirocco 22 July 2013 08: 35
    +2
    The Goebels case is livelier than all living things. I think in this field, students surpassed their teacher. although it’s enough to be surprised, just watch the Rambo movie, and in the case of the wars from the United States you will not understand either a bluff or a fairy tale.
  5. Stas57
    Stas57 22 July 2013 09: 08
    +8
    I have a piece of this "invisible", in appearance - purely linoleum, personally tore off)
    1. 6216390
      6216390 22 July 2013 12: 06
      -1
      Quote: Stas57
      in appearance - pure linoleum, personally tore)

      It was necessary to tear off the casing, and not from the floor.
      lol
      1. Stas57
        Stas57 22 July 2013 14: 22
        +3
        It was necessary to tear off the casing, and not from the floor.

        in that far Serbian field of linoleum was not
  6. sergey72
    sergey72 22 July 2013 10: 12
    +4
    The news then contained a frame with the wreckage of two helicopters, identified by the characteristic tail boom and five-blade tail rotor as CH-53 ... But they are not on the list of losses ... is that how?
    1. Denis
      Denis 22 July 2013 18: 25
      +2
      Quote: sergey72
      But they are not in the list of losses ... how is it?
      Not only in Serbia, they used to be pretty fluent with loss data before. The truth is said too softly
      Some of them are openly assigned the status of "combat loss", the other part is disguised under the pretext of various navigational accidents and technical reasons
      Goebels school
  7. user
    user 22 July 2013 10: 21
    +1
    I think that an attempt was made here to quickly review the actions of air defense in that conflict. Yes, I personally liked it, not overloading with numbers, diagrams, if I still threw away all the fabulous assumptions, then it is a definite plus.
  8. nekeesh
    nekeesh 22 July 2013 10: 30
    +3
    I advise you to read Andrey Maksimushkin "Red revenge". The author just writes about what would happen if Yugoslavia received all the necessary assistance from us.
  9. Prapor Afonya
    Prapor Afonya 22 July 2013 10: 53
    +1
    This is what the glorified, invincible NATO troops really look like! The correct phrase was: "You can and must fight against NATO troops!"
  10. smiths xnumx
    smiths xnumx 22 July 2013 11: 35
    +5
    I read about the shooting down of the "Apaches" in "Soldier of Fortune", unfortunately I do not remember that they were allegedly shot down during the battle, when Serbian special forces with Russian volunteers, pursuing a detachment of KLA militants, went deep into the territory of Albania. The Albanians called for air support. Our volunteers climbed into the trees and from there shot down the hovering Apaches with the Zola disposable grenade launchers (an analogue of our Fly). Maybe someone has memories of Serbian or our eyewitnesses to the battle. Yours faithfully! hi
    1. mamba
      mamba 22 July 2013 15: 22
      +3
      Quote: Kuznetsov 1977
      Our volunteers climbed into the trees and from there shot down the hovering Apaches with the Zola disposable grenade launchers (an analogue of our Fly).

      And what, the trees were so tall that they gave a real gain in height? Wasn’t it easier to shoot from the ground, hiding behind the same trees? wink
      1. 6216390
        6216390 22 July 2013 16: 38
        +2
        Quote: mamba
        Wasn’t it easier to shoot from the ground, hiding behind the same trees?

        It was in the forest, the crowns of the trees covered the target.
        1. Santa Fe
          22 July 2013 16: 58
          +1
          Quote: 6216390
          It was in the forest, the crowns of the trees covered the target.
          1. 6216390
            6216390 23 July 2013 09: 53
            0
            Quote: SWEET_SIXTEEN
            Quote: Kuznetsov 1977
            Our volunteers climbed into the trees and from there shot down the hovering Apaches with the Zola disposable grenade launchers (an analogue of our Fly).
            And what, the trees were so tall that they gave a real gain in height? Wasn’t it easier to shoot from the ground, hiding behind the same trees?

            I dare to suggest that the volunteers who climbed the trees were not idiots and chose the most suitable position for the attack of enemy helicopters, which ended, as you know, very successfully.
  11. Denis
    Denis 22 July 2013 12: 02
    +8
    For the war with small Serbia, the US Air Force and NATO countries concentrated a huge amount of air attack
    And they screamed that they were a bloodthirsty and numerous enemy
    As for the odious GPS system, the Yankees “clicked on the nose” the whole world, just turning off the navigation satellites with the outbreak of war
    But this is one of the lessons for us!. Why not try to tell the main lesson further
    Weakened by endless internal conflict, international economic sanctions and military embargoes, the Federal Republic of Yugoslavia was cruelly crucified by the NATO vultures.
    It is said very diplomatically, i.e. read between the lines. There was no longer SFRY, they fought against the Serbs
    And the main conclusion, in my opinion, from all this, which Joseph Vissarionitch knew well and was completely forgotten by Nicholas II
    THE MAIN ENEMY IS INSIDE TO DESTROY THE NEED TO DESTROY THE PRESENT FIFTH COLUMN
    In non-democratic Vietnam, with a huge margin, they nevertheless raked. There are examples fresher-Afghanistan, where democracy is not all right and there is absolutely no air defense
    1. valokordin
      valokordin 22 July 2013 13: 32
      +7
      Quote: Denis
      THE MAIN ENEMY IS INSIDE TO DESTROY THE NEED TO DESTROY THE PRESENT FIFTH COLUMN

      True a thousand times and I.V. Stalin did the right thing.
      1. d_trader
        d_trader 22 July 2013 14: 07
        +4
        Quote: valokordin
        True a thousand times and I.V. Stalin did the right thing.

        If he had pressed the Trotskyists earlier to the nail, it would have been good at all, otherwise they, hiding behind a good deed, how many innocent people have destroyed
      2. Beck
        Beck 23 July 2013 06: 51
        -1
        Quote: Denis
        THE MAIN ENEMY IS INSIDE TO DESTROY THE NEED TO DESTROY THE PRESENT FIFTH COLUMN


        Quote: valokordin
        True a thousand times and I.V. Stalin did the right thing.


        Yeah !? And people do not think putting forward such slogans.

        Suppose Stalinist times come again. So some people, with dictatorship this is natural, may consider that the Main Inner Enemy and the Fifth Column are embodied in their person by Denis and Valokordin. And what to do?

        It will be useless to them to prove otherwise. There is a slogan, but there must be victims under this slogan. God forbid, if such sad times come that Denis and Valokordin are not found scammers.
        1. Denis
          Denis 23 July 2013 07: 01
          +1
          Quote: Beck
          Yeah !? And people do not think putting forward such slogans.
          I thought who would say tried or pretended, but came to only one decision:
          poster language
        2. Denis
          Denis 23 July 2013 07: 06
          +2
          Quote: Beck
          God forbid, if such sad times come that Denis and Valokordin are not found scammers.
          My grandfather and grandmother, who sat in those days, though under criminal articles and as they said: "Well, if you got caught, sit," taught:
        3. Cynic
          Cynic 23 July 2013 10: 04
          0
          Quote: Beck
          so that there are no scammers on Denis and Valokordin.

          Sadly, there are.
          As far as I remember, the opinion was expressed that one of the reasons for the destruction of accusatory cases after the re-abilation of "enemies of the people" is, in fact, the destruction of denunciations on which the accusation was based!
          And to receive recognition _ the queen of evidence, even then, even now, what problems.
          There is a simple truth
          Do not be afraid of enemies, be afraid of friends. Betrayed by friends, not enemies!

          request
    2. strange and pretty meaningless
      strange and pretty meaningless 22 July 2013 14: 16
      +2
      Quote: Denis
      There are examples of fresher Afghanistan, where democracy is not all right and there is absolutely no air defense

      There are no "polymers" at all - there is nothing to lose ... wassat Everything is compact - and belligerent.
  12. _KM_
    _KM_ 22 July 2013 12: 53
    +3
    Interestingly, during and after the war, a large Balkan tobacco producer was destroyed.
    1. Denis
      Denis 22 July 2013 18: 15
      +1
      Quote: _KM_
      a large Balkan tobacco producer was destroyed
      You shouldn’t talk about it, now these non-traditional ones will fight not only for democracy and so on, but also for smoking
  13. Santa Fe
    22 July 2013 13: 04
    -2
    Finally, there must be a powerful political will to use all these weapons, and the general support of the population.

    If the Serbs had all the conditions described above, I would venture to suggest that the bombing of Yugoslavia might not have taken place.

    It is worth noting here, the author is mistaken a lot

    Usually, those who are bombed by NATO are downright oligarchic-dictatorial regimes-kleptocrats (from the Greek "kleptos" - the power of thieves), where there can be no "broad support of the masses". Everyone simply refuses to fight for such scoundrels, and the scoundrels themselves do nothing to strengthen the economy, industry and the armed forces of their country, only building palaces and stealing loot over the hill, buying villas in Miami
    1. Colonel
      Colonel 22 July 2013 17: 49
      +4
      Usually those who are bombed by NATO are down-and-out oligarchic-dictatorial regimes-kleptocrats ... where there can be no "broad support of the masses".

      Yeah, fighters with oligarchic regimes, damn it lol NATO only bombs where it is not afraid of hitting back. Syria is a good example. And I want and inject. What if these Russians have already installed their complexes there? Both Milosevic and Hussein were bombed not for "villas in Miami", but for refusing to dance to the tune of the United States (sorry for stating common truths, but because capital ones, they never cease to be truths))
      1. Santa Fe
        22 July 2013 18: 20
        -4
        Quote: colonel
        NATO only bombers where it’s not afraid to get change. A good example is Syria.

        Is this the country where martial law has been in effect for 48 years?fool laughing
        A country that does not produce or create anything?
        A country where the Asadov clan has ruled for 50 years, in violation of all constitutions, laws and decencies? (according to the constitution, the president of Syria can not become a person under the age of 40. Bashar at that time was 34 - he married, but they could not grow old, he had to rewrite the constitution)))

        The country where the army demolished the city of Hama from its guns (the massacre in Hama, 1986, the troops were commanded by Rifat al-Assad, brother of Hafez al-Assad. Then there was rashzmolka between the brothers and now Rifat is hiding in London)

        Do not you think that the country's defense capability is directly related to its internal state - the economy, science, industry ... where there is a mess - there, like a virus, NATO will come. But who is to blame for this, except for the ruler of Syria or Libya?
        1. Cynic
          Cynic 22 July 2013 18: 36
          +4
          Quote: SWEET_SIXTEEN
          A country that does not produce or create anything?

          I personally know the guys who used to work with Syrian goods. Turkey did not sit next to it.
          Liberators came _ You will cross the price of the Turks, the factory will stand. No ...
          They could not collect money.
          So the guys switched to Turkish goods.
          And you are politics, politics.
          Purely selfish interest!
          hi
          1. Santa Fe
            22 July 2013 18: 40
            -7
            Quote: Cynic
            I personally know the guys who used to work with Syrian goods.

            Let me guess, such a white powder
            1. Cynic
              Cynic 22 July 2013 18: 55
              +6
              Quote: SWEET_SIXTEEN
              Let me guess, such a white powder

              Who about what and bald about a hairbrush.

              1. Santa Fe
                22 July 2013 19: 40
                -2
                Okay, drinker, consider that you leaked the issue of Syria’s industry

                How about a Syrian constitution spoiled by scissors, from where they promptly cut out the demand for the president (not younger than 40)

                and what about 48 years of martial law - do you think this is a normal country?))
                1. Cynic
                  Cynic 22 July 2013 20: 10
                  +2
                  Quote: SWEET_SIXTEEN
                  Okay, drinker, consider that you leaked the issue of Syria’s industry

                  Ha
                  Explicitly your slogan _ From modesty - I will not die !
                  You’re famously sticking up stickers, I hope at least legible labels on them, but I just wrote and can’t make them out
                  1. Santa Fe
                    22 July 2013 20: 19
                    -4
                    Quote: Cynic
                    , but I wrote and I can’t make it out

                    You need to drink less
        2. Kir
          Kir 22 July 2013 18: 42
          +3
          Who's guilty? Yes, at least those who have a lot of ambition and greed are strangling, why aren't they on the trough here of them and their accomplices and accomplices and we must first torment them with dust !!!
          1. Colonel
            Colonel 22 July 2013 22: 28
            +1
            Don't you think
            It does not seem. You are in your role. Behind the trees, no forest is visible. Too many off-topic words.
    2. Beck
      Beck 23 July 2013 07: 08
      -2
      "On the 12th day of the war, the nuclear-powered aircraft carrier Theodore Roosevelt approached the shores of Yugoslavia, and its air wing was also involved in the work to destroy the Serbian state".

      And Urashniki have been yelling for how many years that NATO has destroyed Serbia.

      And the bloody war unleashed by imperial Serbian politicians led by Milošić was stopped in order to preserve the mini empire in the Balkans - Yugoslavia, in which other peoples of the Balkans did not want to live.

      Just as Russia, having introduced troops into South Ossetia, prevented the great bloodshed that Miloshich’s little brother, Misha Saakashvili, wanted to arrange.

      And Serbia was not destroyed. It still exists, only the imperial communists Milosevic are not in power. And for Urashniki, like a splinter in the buttock, Serbia’s entry into the European Union. And it’s not that she was invited there, Serbia itself was persistently knocking. And she joined the European Union, which contains NATO. And it’s not at all fantastic that Serbia will join NATO.
      1. uhu189
        uhu189 23 July 2013 11: 36
        0
        You are in many ways right, of course, but why then did you need to bomb bridges, passenger trains, power plants, industrial enterprises, a television center? Is it just a military operation against imperial Serbian politicians? Or maybe the Serbian state got better from the destroyed bridges? Or the loss of Kosovo greatly strengthened Serbia? And the Serbs became happier from the fact that they were forced to flee from their territory and become refugees?
        And if you compare, can you remind me what civilian objects the Russian Air Force bombed in Georgia? Any bridge, or a power station? As far as I know, only the Tbilisi aircraft repair plant and the radar at the Georgian international airport, and then it worked in the interests of the military. I remember in August a pseudo-Georgian from Gori wrote at a forum, describing a city allegedly bombed by Russian aviation, a lack of light, a bunch of dead and wounded. But he couldn’t answer my question about how he goes to the Internet in this case - apparently the mobile communications towers for some reason didn’t defeat the Russian Air Force in some miraculous way and he had enough laptop power for several days ...
        1. Beck
          Beck 23 July 2013 12: 35
          -2
          Quote: uhu189
          but why then did you need to bomb bridges, passenger trains, power plants, industrial enterprises, a telecentre?


          Firstly, in terms of scale and military potential, Georgia is not Serbia.
          Secondly, it so happened from the time of WW2 that defeating the enemy is much easier when he does not have the infrastructure - Roads, bridges over which troops move. Plants, factories that produce ammunition. And perhaps cutting off propaganda is the Telecentre.

          I am sure that Germany would capitulate later if its infrastructure had not been destroyed or significantly undermined. The industrial centers of Germany by the end of 1944 and the beginning of 1945 lay in ruins, although the enemy’s foot had not yet stepped there.
          1. Kir
            Kir 23 July 2013 13: 31
            0
            Well, yes, and Dresden also see a strategic object, just like Hiroshima and Nagosaki, however, what to demand from those who invent their own story And at the same time and play a dirty trick on the scum!
            1. Beck
              Beck 23 July 2013 14: 46
              -1
              Quote: Kir
              Well, yes, and Dresden also see a strategic object, just like Hiroshima and Nagosaki, however, what to demand from those who invent their own story And at the same time and play a dirty trick on the scum!


              Before Canadians, Americans, British entered West Germany in the very economic heart of Germany, the industrial Ruhr was already in ruins and did not release anything.

              Dresden is, of course, inhumane from today. But during World War 2, it was a method of breaking the spirit and the desire of the population for resistance.

              Hiroshima and Nagasaki. (I already wrote, I will repeat for you). After the capture of Okinawa, the question arose of the landing of American troops on the Japanese islands proper. The Japanese government, on proposals for surrender, categorically stated that the country would fight until the last soldier. The General Staff of the US Army calculated that, in this case, the war could drag on for a year and a half. The losses of the American army can reach one million soldiers, the Japanese army up to 3 million, the civilian population of Japan up to 5 million. Of the two evils, the lesser was chosen. The atomic bombing was carried out. 200 thousand people died, but the remaining 8 million remained alive. And Japan surrendered in a week.

              If Moscow were to defend Moscow in the most difficult November days of 1941, Soviet aviation would bomb two German cities in an atomic bombing. I would not mind. Since Germany would capitulate not in May 1945, but in December 1941. And there would be no 20 million dead Soviet people and there would be no 50 million victims around the world.

              Now about the scum. It is quite that the United States is currently Russia's geopolitical rival. Not an enemy, but a rival. But in that difficult time, this "scum" was an ally as it fought against fascism, and provided all possible assistance with a lend-lens. And if this help saved the life of at least one Soviet soldier, this is already a big help, but it saved thousands of soldiers. Thanks to these saved lives, it is quite possible that you and I are now living. And so our life chain would be interrupted on our murdered grandfathers and fathers in 1941 = 1945.

              Now about lackeys. The lackeys are, first of all, those who play a hoax about their fictitious beliefs. The lackeys are those who do not know the story. Lackeys are those who, without knowing a person, can insult him. The lackeys are those who do not honor the joint struggle against the most terrible beast of mankind - fascism. The lackeys are those who only extol their own. Try it all on yourself.
              1. Kir
                Kir 23 July 2013 15: 00
                0
                Among the Nazis, there are Normal People among pro-Americans, only slop, and the worst enemy of mankind is a global corporation with bank houses. I’m grooming a person and I won’t name those who are puffed up with their pseudo-history and other things, and even whitewash the amers, then for me he is not a man at all !!!
              2. uhu189
                uhu189 23 July 2013 15: 04
                +1
                Dear Beck, I think you know very well that Japan capitulated not because of the atomic bombings of Hiroshima and Nagasaki (incendiary bombing of wooden cities was much more destructive both in life and in destruction), but to a greater extent because of the entry into the war USSR, the defeat of the Kwantung Army and the capture of Manchuria, in whose territory there were many military factories. The bombing of Japan with nuclear bombs was a signal of the USSR, and there was no meaningful military logic in it except a demonstration of its power. I also think that the fact that the peak of the German prom. production fell on the second half of the 1944 year, when the carpet bombing of German cities was in full swing, and the decline in production was subsequently caused to a greater extent by the seizure of territory with a production and resource base, but not by bombing. No one questions the contribution of Great Britain and the United States to victory and assistance under the Lend-Lease system, but one should not forget the fact that the United States did this far from free, and by transmitting materials from the USSR they saved the lives of their soldiers. This is by no means a criticism of you or your words, do not take it that way, but just as it seems to me the necessary comment ...
                1. Beck
                  Beck 23 July 2013 15: 27
                  -1
                  Quote: uhu189
                  No one questions the contribution of the UK and the USA to victory and assistance under the Lend-Lease system,


                  Read Kira, he is not something that calls into question, he claims.

                  AND LOOK, he found "normal people" among the fascists and writes it with a capital letter. Our grandfathers and fathers, killed, turned over in their coffins and unmarked graves. Such an insult to our common memory, our VICTORY could only be inflicted by a modern fascist skinhead.

                  And I still tried to talk normally with him. Spit on skinheads so sorry to spend saliva, lose heel so sorry for the heel. That's where she is the real filth.
                  1. Kir
                    Kir 23 July 2013 16: 28
                    0
                    Yes, I found it and distort it. You should not confuse the Idealogy with practice, because you can give the Communists under trebunal because of Trotsky scum with their freaks. With regards to skins I saw such mummers only here are the money for which this rabble exists from the same sources as the history rewriting projects !!! And with regards to Fascism, I didn’t even hide that when I was a Russian Fascist and Imperialist, basically not a member of any grouping, as I wrote above, the majority has financial support from the same sources as the separatists in the Caucasus and not only. and among my good friends there are many People of different nationalities, including from the peoples of the Caucasus and Central Asia, and I never touched the topic of their nationality but tried to circumvent unless They tried to rewrite history and ascribe someone else’s, and I see Fascism only as one of the Empire Renaissance Remedies. and my nickname is taken in honor of the Great Persian Cyrus the 2nd so .....
          2. uhu189
            uhu189 23 July 2013 14: 33
            0
            The fact of the matter is that this war was not against the regime, namely against the state, which is what many people are talking about, which you call as scarecrows. And in addition to the destroyed infrastructure, the country still lost most of its territory, which could have been defended if there had been no bombing. Therefore, of course, I'm sorry, but I can not agree with you on the estimates, although in some things you are right, the leadership of Serbia was not up to the mark in many ways ...
  14. valokordin
    valokordin 22 July 2013 13: 29
    +2
    Just as Hitler with all of Hero attacked the USSR, so the States with all of Hero attacked Yugoslavia. At first, Nato destroyed and disarmed Yugoslavia. As it had in its time destroyed the USSR by introducing its protégés and traitors to the homeland into power structures. Then, with impunity, it began to bomb Serbia. And proud Russians, you know, drove backwards over the Atlantic, showing the bent back of Uncle SAMU. Arm and Arm as far as possible, take money from the bourgeoisie and throw it into the modernization of industry and defense. as the famous writer Julius Fucik said - people I loved you, be careful.
  15. Snoop
    Snoop 22 July 2013 13: 33
    +3
    And as Milosevic asked Russia to sell modern air defense systems, and what a possibility there was for the combat break-in of our air defense systems. But alas ... you yourself know who then taxied the Russian Federation. But they could after all sell and declare as Yankees: call me ... this business and only business ... nothing personal)))
    1. Santa Fe
      22 July 2013 15: 19
      -4
      Quote: Snoop
      as Milosevic asked Russia to sell modern air defense systems, and what a possibility there was for the combat break-in of our air defense systems

      don’t sell, but donate

      1-2 divisions ... so that they can be significantly destroyed by 1000 NATO aircraft, causing irreparable damage to the image of the Russian military-industrial complex
      Quote: Snoop
      But alas ... you know who taxied the Russian Federation then

      Who?

      U-turn over the Atlantic: a beautiful gesture, far from politics

      On March 24, 1999, NATO launched a military operation against the Federal Republic of Yugoslavia, which lasted until June 10 of that year. Having learned about the bombing of the FRY, the head of the government of the Russian Federation, Yevgeny Primakov, who was flying on an official visit to the United States, unfolded his plane over the ocean in protest and returned to Moscow.


      And arm the Serbs at their own expense ... stop
      1. saturn.mmm
        saturn.mmm 22 July 2013 21: 38
        +2
        Quote: SWEET_SIXTEEN
        And arm the Serbs at their own expense ..

        And what is the score in 1999, some debts that no one was going to forgive.
  16. dizelniy
    dizelniy 22 July 2013 13: 54
    +5
    The article evokes conflicting feelings. Our leaders have not reached conclusions so far. All our tactical aircraft are based at 300 km. border strip. After bringing it into obscure bases, we got a crowded base, look at the Yelizovo airfield, this is an example for the immediate removal of the commander from his post and put him on trial. It seems we don’t have our own sad story. The second and traditionally unresolved issue is the interaction of IA with ZRV. Structures in the KP system that were responsible for organizing such interaction together by technical means were abolished. According to the BU, the commander who directs them is responsible for the organization of interaction. Given the saturation of electronic warfare with NATO forces, closed control channels for IA and ZRV are needed. The question is still open.
  17. fedorru
    fedorru 22 July 2013 14: 15
    +2
    How in Yugoslavia they shot down F117.http: //www.youtube.com/watch? V = Ks51kOET2Io
  18. smiths xnumx
    smiths xnumx 22 July 2013 15: 37
    +5
    Well, there are many legends regarding the downing of F117, in the series "Striking Force", for example, they said that it was shot down by a MiG-29, a very respected acquaintance of mine, a lieutenant colonel of the Air Defense Forces of the reserve, for a couple of hours proved to me that he was shot down by "KUB M1" , another version says that it was "overwhelmed" from the old 30-mm Czechoslovak ZSU Praga M-53/59 without radar. The Serbs themselves said that it was shot down by C-125. I think the truth is somewhere in the middle and several air defense systems fired at it at once. Another legend says that the Yugoslavs still had S-300s, delivered from Russia in early 1999, and some of the downed NATO aircraft (the same B-2, as well as B-1B) were shot down by them. Moreover, the well-known military observer Vladislav Shurygin said that, by agreement with the Yugoslav embassy, ​​in order to mislead NATO, in some anti-aircraft unit (it is not clear only in which Russian or Ukrainian one), he dressed soldiers in Yugoslavian uniforms and applied installation of the S-300 air defense system, identification marks of the Yugoslav army. And there is even a photograph of Shurygin in Serbian uniform, against the background of the S-300 launcher. Yours faithfully! hi
    1. Santa Fe
      22 July 2013 16: 23
      +6
      Quote: Kuznetsov 1977
      Vladislav Shurygin, said that he, in agreement with the Yugoslav embassy, ​​in order to mislead NATO, in a certain anti-aircraft unit (it is not clear what Russian or Ukrainian is), put on a Yugoslav soldier uniform and put identification marks on S-300 air defense launchers Yugoslav army. And there is even a photograph of Shurygin in Serbian uniform, against the background of the S-300 launcher.

      Right! There was such a story

      (Shooting for a Serbian newspaper took place in the suburbs. In the photo in the S-300 control cabin, everyone is as one - Russians. It is noteworthy that it was a personal initiative of Russian and Serbian journalists + sympathizers in the Ministry of Defense, who gave permission to enter the "special object". Shurygin the third left)
    2. de bouillon
      de bouillon 22 July 2013 18: 27
      -2
      in the loss of Stealth there is a slackness of the American military.

      There are a lot of legends and myths around this story. But really only one person shot down him, or rather, under his command. Anti-aircraft gunners Colonel Dani Zoltan.

      the fact is that F-117s have always flown the same route !! At the same time alone !! Well, kind of invisible, sort of .. But the Serbs were not fools, and they immediately realized that the Americans send their "stealth" almost the same every day.

      The Serbian media were still great help. The whole world knew where the F-117s were based. Secondly, there are all NATO airbases around, and most of them are located near settlements. There were always crowds of magazines, pofotkat lovers and just onlookers. In short, among these onlookers were serious intelligence officers working in Italy. They reported in detail the moment of take-off of the F-117. And the Serbs were waiting for them wink

      details below

      http://lenta.ru/articles/2005/11/23/f117/

      after apleukha Americans then completely changed the method of sorties. F-117 were already supported by Wild Weasel stuffed with Harmas. By the way, B-2 / also Stealth. There were no losses among them, but even so stupid their crews did not fly. Always a different route, time, powerful and thorough cover, the active use of electronic warfare. Well it’s clear that the plane is worth its weight in gold.

      and with the F-117 there was a banal army slackness on the part of the Americans.
      1. 0255
        0255 22 July 2013 22: 02
        +3
        and still, Zoltan Dani did well for shooting down an F-117. He defended his country as much as possible with NATO air superiority. Do not belittle his merit.
        The Americans shot down 6 unfortunate MiG-29s flying alone, with a failed avionics and are proud of it as if they had accomplished a feat. So why not the Serbs be proud of the downing of the F-117?
        I believe that Serbian MiG-29s could shoot down a couple of "unbreakable" F-15s
        1. Santa Fe
          23 July 2013 00: 20
          +1
          Quote: 0255
          He defended his country as much as possible with NATO air superiority. Do not belittle his merit.

          Actually, Zoltan Dani is Hungarian
  19. kartalovkolya
    kartalovkolya 22 July 2013 16: 07
    -1
    The article was published with a delay of at least 10-15 years. In short, another waving fists after a fight. We knew even without the author how our "dealers" sold Yugoslavia. When you are drunk, it doesn’t happen. Oh, well, when will the primordially Russian sport rake jumping.
    1. Cynic
      Cynic 22 July 2013 17: 45
      +5
      Quote: kartalovkolya
      The article was published with a delay of at least 10-15 years.

      And a recent article here about the Battle of Kursk with which delay came out?
      The people who have forgotten history are doomed to repeat it!

      And the words about the "fifth column" sounded in the forum about Yugoslavia are now more than timely for us!
      hi
      1. Denis
        Denis 22 July 2013 23: 48
        +2
        Quote: Cynic
        And the words about the "fifth column" sounded in the forum about Yugoslavia are now more than timely for us!
        Oh friend! Those words are unfortunately long ago, and now more and more often timely
  20. de bouillon
    de bouillon 22 July 2013 18: 41
    +2
    Directly during the fighting, data on the losses of the Yugoslav army were announced only twice - on March 25, 1999, losses were announced in the Yugoslav Army as a whole (10 dead, 38 wounded and one missing) and on March 29, 1999 at the general’s first press conference Smilaynich was announced the losses in the Air Force and Air Defense of Yugoslavia (7 dead and 17 wounded).

    Only in the spring of 2000, the book “Heroes of the Fatherland” (“Junaci Otazbine”) published the final data on the losses of the Army of Yugoslavia and the Ministry of Internal Affairs of Serbia during the hostilities of 1998-1999. In total, 1 people died, including 002 dead Ministry of Internal Affairs. Most died in battles with Albanian militants, and a much smaller part - as a result of NATO aviation.

    The losses of the Air Force and Air Defense amounted to 39 dead: 12 officers, 9 sergeants, 3 contract soldiers, 6 conscript soldiers and 9 reservists. 110 servicemen were injured, including 19 officers, 24 sergeants, 11 contract soldiers, 44 reservists and 2 civil servants of the Yugoslav Army.

    The ratio of seriously and lightly wounded was 46 to 64. Of the death toll of the Air Force and Air Defense Forces, only two soldiers of the 63rd Parachute Brigade died in battles with Albanian militants, the rest died as a result of NATO aviation. Of the wounded, only five out of 110 were wounded by Albanian militants.

    The structure of the losses of the Air Force and Air Defense is significantly different from the loss of the army - as one general who served as deputy chief of the General Staff for the Air Force and Air Defense (Colonel General Lyubisha Velichkovich), one regiment commander (commander of the 204th fighter regiment, Colonel Milenko Pavlovich) , one squadron commander (commander of the 241st fighter-bombing squadron, Lt. Col. Belly Dzhurich), several rocket battery commanders.

    In terms of military equipment losses, according to the first estimates of the US Department of Defense, the Yugoslav Army allegedly lost 120 tanks, 220 other armored vehicles and 450 artillery pieces. Estimates of the European SHAPE command of September 11, 1999 were slightly less optimistic - 93 tanks destroyed, 153 different armored vehicles and 389 artillery pieces.

    Immediately after the end of hostilities, the commander of the 3rd Army, General Pavkovich, summarized the material losses of his troops: 13 tanks (including 7 from aviation), 6 armored personnel carriers, 8 artillery pieces, 19 anti-aircraft guns and one radar. According to other sources - information from the Pristina Corps, 13 tanks were destroyed from the corps (7 of them were air strikes), 4 infantry fighting vehicles, 2 BOV armored vehicles, 3 self-propelled guns, 6 howitzers, 10 anti-aircraft guns. In December 1999, the Deputy Chief of the General Staff, General Pantelich, declared: "Our total losses are 18 tanks, 10 armored personnel carriers, 13 artillery pieces ..."

    A special American commission (Allied Force Munitions Assessment Team) sent to Kosovo in 2000 discovered the following destroyed Yugoslav equipment there: 14 tanks, 18 armored personnel carriers and 20 artillery pieces and mortars.
  21. de bouillon
    de bouillon 22 July 2013 18: 42
    +1
    Part 2

    Since the war between Yugoslavia and NATO was primarily air, the material losses of the Air Force and Air Defense of Yugoslavia significantly exceed the losses of ground forces.

    According to the official assessment of own losses of the Air Force of Yugoslavia from September 1999 “Irretrievable” losses amounted to 156 aircraft (7 of them in the air) and another 20 can be repaired - a total of 176.

    The commander of the Air Force and Air Defense General Smilaynich indicates the following numbers: 127 aircraft were destroyed, 119 of them on the ground and 8 in the air, 50 aircraft (1 in the air) damaged - 177 out of 50 damaged aircraft after repair were returned to service 17 ( 15 aircraft and 2 helicopters), so that irretrievable losses amounted to 151 aircraft or 41,09%.

    The structure of the Air Force losses is as follows: 36 fighters (10 MiG-29, 1 double MiG-29UB, 16 MiG-21 Bis, 3 double MiG-21 total 19 aircraft from the 83rd regiment and 17 of the 204th), 43 fighter-bomber Orao and Galeb G4, 2 reconnaissance MiG-21s, 7 An transport aircraft, 13 helicopters of all types (including two Ka-25 and three Mi-14PL), 26 Galeb G 2 training aircraft "," Galeb G4 "and" Utva 75 ". Damage received 28 fighters, 15 fighter-bombers, 2 transport aircraft, 1 reconnaissance and 4 helicopters.
  22. de bouillon
    de bouillon 22 July 2013 18: 43
    +2
    Part 3

    In air defense missile units in the Neva system, 8 missile guidance stations were destroyed and 6 damaged, 3 of which can be repaired. One is destroyed and two launch ramps are damaged, one of which can be repaired. The Cube system destroyed 5 and damaged 4 radar guidance and control stations (RSTON) with the ability to recover all damaged stations. 4 survey radars with the ability to repair all were damaged. 4 self-propelled launchers were destroyed and 3 damaged, also with the possibility of repair. Destroyed 2 anti-aircraft guns L-40 "Bofors" and 5 triple-barrel 20/3 mm.

    According to other sources, the loss of air defense equipment amounted to: P-15 radars (3 destroyed and 2 damaged), P-18 (1/1), P-12 (3/2), 1S91M2 (5/10) radar surveillance and guidance stations, UNV-M cabs (9/4), UNK-M control cabs (3/7), RKU-N (5/6), Cube self-propelled launchers (3/4), Neva launch ramps (1 / 0), PfP (1/1), UV-600 (0/1), command and fire control equipment: UPPTS (0/2), UKUV (1/0), RPV -16 (0/2) radars, OAR - 1 RL-128D -1 (0/4), missiles for the Neva complex (122/5), Cube (9/0), cars (33/7), the cabin of the Dvina complex (0/1 ), anti-aircraft guns L-70 (3/4), anti-aircraft guns 20/3 (6/0).

    The following anti-aircraft guns were destroyed in the Yugoslav Army: 16 20/1 mm, 17 20/3 mm, 4 BOV-3, 1 30/2 Prague, 1 ZSU - 57/2, 3 L-70 Bofors, damaged 6 guns 20/3 mm, 4 L-70 and 1 BOV-3.
  23. de bouillon
    de bouillon 22 July 2013 18: 43
    +2
    Part 4

    Of the original 17 Airborne Surveillance, Alert and Guidance (VOJIN) units, 9 companies and 8 platoons 14 (82,3%) were knocked out six of them were completely destroyed (4 companies and two platoons). 17 radars were destroyed, 15 of which out of 126 alert and guidance airborne brigades and two P-15 radars belonging to the 1st Army. Eight units (3 companies and 5 platoons) with 19 radars received various injuries

    Losses of radar equipment of the 126-th brigade of airborne warning and guidance (VOJIN) were distributed as follows:

    - 1-I company of the 20-th battalion - С-613 (reg.Number 024) - Pazova

    - 2-I company of the 20-th battalion - П-14 and PRV-11 (reg. Numbers 752115 and 112929) - Kacharevo

    - 3-I company of the 20-th battalion - AN / TPS-70 (1001) - Goliisk river

    - 4-I company of 20-th battalion a- AN / TPS-70 (1003) - Kitka

    - 1th platoon of the 20th battalion - AN / TPS-70 (A3B3) - Vladimirtsy

    - 1-I company of the 31-th battalion - S-1020, S-1017 (007 and 035) - Kopaonik

    - 2-brightness of the 31-th battalion - S-5016М, S-5016С (011 and 014) - Zlatibor

    - 3-I company of the 31-th battalion - S-613, S-1017 (023 and 027) - Pazova

    - 4th company of the 31th battalion S-5016М, S-5016Д (042 and 043) - Pasyacha

    - 1th platoon of the 31th battalion AN / TPS-63 (A4B2) - Mallen

    - 1th company of the 58th battalion S-5016Д, S-613, S-5013, S-1016, S-1017, П-15 (029, 003, 023, 009, М-4444, / 987640 /) - Crni RT

    - 1th platoon of the 58th battalion - S-5016М (006) - Mokra Gora

    - aviation technical support battalion - S-1016 (010) - Pazova

    - From the 1 Army - P-15 (M-3034) - Ulcinj

    - From the 1 Army - P-15 (K-1865) - Parachin



    As a result of NATO air strikes, 803 air-to-air missiles (17%), 4116 air-to-ground missiles (6,4%), 449 air bombs (2%), 107 pieces of aviation ammunition of various calibers (000%) were destroyed in warehouses. Most of the weapons were destroyed in a warehouse in Stanichy Forest, part of the Pristina 7nd air base.

    As a result of attacks on warehouses, 120 V-601P missiles were destroyed (40 missiles in the warehouse of the 2nd missile and technical division of the 250th air defense missile brigade in Sremchitsa, 80 missiles in the warehouse of the 3rd missile division in Yakovo and 56 missiles in the warehouse 2 -th Missile Division in Pancevo) of the Neva missile system and 229 anti-aircraft artillery ammunition.

    In the Air Force and Air Defense, 90 vehicles (1,96%) were destroyed and 56 (1,22%) were damaged.

    Out of 1406 objects, 958 (68%) were attacked, 527 (38%) were destroyed, 341 objects could be restored. Destroyed 100% of hangars and 74% of buildings. Runways, taxiways and parking lots were hit by 454 missiles and bombs.

    http://ruserbia.com/history/586-yugoslavskaya-vojna-1999-chast-i-poteri-yugoslav
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    1. Santa Fe
      22 July 2013 19: 37
      +2
      de Bullion, thank you for the most interesting statistics
  24. Simon
    Simon 22 July 2013 20: 33
    +3
    Quote: Kuzkin Batyan
    Before going into this topic, I thought. Again, they will take apart the already re-moused topic. But thanks to the photos from the museum I was surprised. I did not know that large UAVs were still used there. Good article.

    The main thing this museum shows is that in capable hands and outdated complexes you can shoot down modern aircraft and missiles of the enemy.
  25. Cpa
    Cpa 22 July 2013 21: 50
    +3
    It was worth mentioning that before the operation, the Americans, through saboteurs and traitors, placed radio beacons at key facilities of the FRY, which made it possible to turn off GPS and increase the effectiveness of air raids.
    1. smiths xnumx
      smiths xnumx 22 July 2013 23: 28
      +3
      It should also be noted that, in my opinion, the purely defensive tactics of the Yugoslavs were incorrect, they did not launch a single strike on NATO air bases, both in Macedonia and in Italy and Albania, although the range of the existing OTR, MiG-29 and Orao attack aircraft and "Super Galeb", the Yugoslavian armed forces of sabotage actions against the nearest NATO bases in Macedonia, Bosnia-Herzegovina and Albania, and these actions in Macedonia, and especially in Bosnia-Herzegovina, enjoyed the support of the local population. Also incomprehensible is the role of the Yugoslav fleet, which, having 3 diesel-electric submarines and 4 missile frigates (2 type 1159, 2 own construction of the Beograd type), armed with P-15 anti-ship missile systems and Osa air defense systems and 10 RCA did nothing to protect Yugoslavia. The Yugoslav leadership, wishing to preserve their forces, immediately undertook defensive tactics, and as a result, the country was destroyed and Kosovo was not defended and Yugoslavia no longer exists, and the Serbs have lost access to the sea. Yours faithfully! hi
  26. 0255
    0255 22 July 2013 22: 07
    +5
    ANECDOT IN THEME
    Before the apostle Peter appears a group of people in the form of US Air Force. He asks them:
    -Who you are?
    -We in Yugoslavia fought for democracy, Milosevic’s black forces shot us down ...
    -Wait a minute now - says the apostle Peter and leaves.
    After 5 minutes, he returns and says:
    -Get out of here, impostors, according to the US Air Force there were no losses!
  27. egsp
    egsp 22 July 2013 22: 49
    +1
    Old news. It seems that the article is incomplete.
    The fantasy on the theme "if the SFRY had Buki and Shilki" is a profanation. It seems that the author does not cut a little in air defense tactics. Nothing could help Yugoslavia, and Shilka - sorry, the complex is very primitive and old, you should forget about him at all.
    1. Denis
      Denis 23 July 2013 00: 11
      +1
      Quote: egsp
      Shilka - sorry, the complex is very primitive and old, you should forget about it at all.
      Can forget about belching disaster-shit your (!) Country?
      Tomahawk (English BGM-109 Tomahawk, ['tɒmə‚hɔ: k] - Tomahawk) - American multi-purpose high-precision subsonic long-range cruise missile (CR), strategic and tactical purpose. It flies at extremely low altitudes with an envelope of terrain.
      col. highlighted by me for those who are ready to forget and joyfully surrender
      But "Shilka" is the same age:
      S-125 Neva (missile index - 5V24, the export name of the complex is Pechora, according to the classification of the United States Defense Ministry and NATO - SA-3 Goa) - the Soviet short-range anti-aircraft missile system. It was adopted by the USSR in 1961. Sold for export of more than 400 S-125 systems [1]
      with a hatchet would not cope?

      Forget about ready to surrender
      learn materiel
  28. aud13
    aud13 22 July 2013 22: 53
    +4
    An interesting article and pictures too.
    If we were to transfer the losses and costs not only to the registers of destroyed objects, but also to the financial plane, it would be interesting to compare the costs of spent precision weapons, the costs of sorties, the repair of wrecked equipment and the cost of completely destroyed military vehicles, etc. . = against the value of objects that were actually destroyed (not counting, of course, the cost of objects of a civil and industrial infrastructure nature).
    Also, it seems to me that the issue of creating cheap radar simulators, or other types of radars that would be difficult to detect and destroy, has long matured. After all, all the recent wars in which NATO participated took place according to one scenario, air defense means are destroyed, and then the army is destroyed. If you knock this trump card (anti-radar missiles) out of the hands of the attackers, then the game will go completely different (unless of course something new is invented).
    Well, it’s not at all a military matter, it seems, the question of creating an agent living close to the military aviation basing places. Due to which it was possible to timely receive information about enemy sorties.
  29. _KM_
    _KM_ 23 July 2013 11: 30
    0
    Quote: Denis
    You shouldn’t talk about it, now these non-traditional ones will fight not only for democracy and so on, but also for smoking


    I’m afraid that they didn’t fight with smoking, but for a tobacco monopoly. Now the main players in the tobacco market are Anglo-am. company.
    1. Denis
      Denis 23 July 2013 22: 16
      0
      Quote: _KM_
      Now the main players in the tobacco market are Anglo-am. company.
      How did the Jews concede to them? There was "Belomorkanal" good Uritsky No. 2 and trashy Clara Tselkin, and now only some kind of rj-pidro
  30. zbidnev
    zbidnev 23 July 2013 21: 00
    0
    The article is a good objective. According to military experts from the same states, Russian air defense is the most effective and numerous at the present time. It is a pity just for the period of the beating of the Yugoslavs, Russia was not very sweet. Now completely different layouts and this can not but rejoice!
  31. Alf
    Alf 24 July 2013 02: 16
    0
    "Finally, there must be a strong political will to use all these weapons, and universal support from the population."
    If RUSSIA had political will, there would be no beating at all.
  32. rodevaan
    rodevaan 27 July 2013 11: 04
    +1
    The highly developed civilization of the West “bent” backward Slavs with a “dry” score - the losses of the Air Force of the countries of the Coalition do not exceed several units.

    - Bazaar zero, only when the pseudo-"highly developed" civilization of the West began to face in the face of the Slavs with at least an equal adversary, for the under-"highly developed" savages from the West, it usually ended very badly. Examples of the Northern War, the Battle of the Ice, the Patriotic War of 12, the Great Patriotic War, the air war in Korea, and many other more little-known wars are an excellent confirmation of this!

    And all the underdeveloped from the West, whom history does not teach anything - it was, is, and always will be if you snoop on us again!