Cars of the Polish Army

The Polish automobile industry was considered second in quality after Czechoslovakia at the time of the CMEA. On an example: bought, used Polonez, in the USSR cost a new Volga and a lot of money. This was the unofficial course. Therefore, in the Polish army today you will not see neither ZIL nor UAZ (although they were there). Poland used military vehicles of its own, Czechoslovak production and production of the GDR.

There is no Warsaw Pact for a long time, but Poland has not lost contact with partner countries and continues to exploit automotive production from the Czech Republic and Germany. So what for the army produced and produces Poland itself?

Let's go from the smaller to the larger.

The first one is Honker. This jeep began to be made back in socialist Poland under the name "Tarpan" at an agricultural car factory in Poznan. The car belongs to the so-called class of jeeps. The car is larger than our UAZ and in size, more suited to the Romanian ARO 24, but unlike the latter, it initially had a more powerful engine. Originally produced in two versions (passenger and cargo-passenger). Later they added a pickup truck and a van. The car has a good cross. The car with a diesel engine was tested in the combat conditions of Iraq, where, unlike the Ukrainian UAZ, the 3151 did not overheat.

Its modified version of the Scorpion-3 was also tested.

In modern Poland, the car was produced in small lots at the Daewoo Motor plant in Lublin. In connection with the liquidation of DM, an initial decision was made to transfer its release to the territory of Ukraine. But the subsequent deep economic crisis of the Ukrainian economy led to the cancellation of the decision on production. Now the car is again produced in Lublin in an amount of not more than two hundred per year. There are also several varieties of Iveco micro trucks that play the role of: ambulances, engineering and engineering vehicles. Available in Kutno.

Our next hero car is STAR 660. A rather old machine (who still remembers the Elektronik from Stampa gang).

But his version continues to be used in the form of a pontoon bridge and a bridge-laying vehicle. All-wheel drive. Analogue of our ZIL-157 and its peer (if you count from STAR 66). He moved along the cross-road so that Studebaker US-6 could barely keep up with him.

The most numerous of the trucks in the army is STAR 266. He can spend an analog with our ZIL-131, but he has a diesel engine. Like the Russian cousin, is also in the shadow of his ancestor. The palette of application is also diverse. From a simple truck to engineering and technical machines.

The car was exported to many countries and took part in the hostilities. In the Ground Forces (Wojska Lądowe) he plays the role of a "workhorse". He also has a biaxial fellow with a wheel formula 4x4 Star 244.

Giving general automotive specifications on a military website seems to be wrong. Therefore, we confine ourselves to general information. From 2000 to 2006 year at the factory STAR TRUCK Sp. For the army, the truck was upgraded to the STAR 266M level with a MAN engine. A total of about 250 cars were upgraded.

This measure was taken to unify the Star 944 four-wheel drive all-wheel drive model. In accordance with the new indexing of all-wheel-drive models, the first digit roundly indicates the total mass in tons, the second - the total number of wheels, the third - the number of driving wheels.
The Star 944 “Hyena” mobile fire point also served in Iraq. Also for combat conditions in Afghanistan was developed lightly armored Star 944Р.

Star 944 was planned as a replacement for 266, but was unable to fulfill all the tasks of its predecessor, so Star 1466 was released. It is used in the army as aviation tanker, technical equipment, ammunition transport vehicle. Replacement expected for Star 1444.

Heavyweight can also be called cars Jelcz. 3-axle car Jelcz P662 with the engine Iveco Cursor is used not only for its intended purpose, but also as a chassis for heavy weapons and equipment. At the moment it is: MLRS "Langust" PCN MSN, mine layer "Mill". Mobile center of metrology, station of artillery intelligence "Livetz". In the future, on its basis, 240-mm MLRS “Omar” and 155-mm howitzer “Krill” will be developed.

However, the biggest is Jelcz 862. This 4-axle tractor is capable of performing any tasks that are beyond the power of its younger rivals. Also on its chassis will be mounted new air defense systems and missile defense.

NB Article may be incomplete. Additions are welcome.

Comments

[sergey32]

Not bad for an average developed country.

[Starik63]

Oooh! That you are so in vain about Poland! In many ways, learning from the Pole would not hurt. I declare from the experience of the service. Although they had something to adopt from us.

[UzRus]

Jelcz - reads "Bile"?

[Akim]

Quote: UzRus

Jelcz - reads "Bile"?

In Poland there is such a city of Jelcz-Lyaskowice (60 km from the border with Austria), where these cars are produced.

[iwanniegrozny]

Poland does not border Austria. You mixed up with Germany

[Akim]

Quote: iwanniegrozny

You mixed up with Germany

Really confused. Only not with Germany, but with ... the Czech Republic (visual memory failed. I remember that this town in the Lower Silesian Voivodeship, in which it borders is called wrong. I am ashamed.

[zadorin1974]

in the mid-90s, I had to exploit the ARO and Tarpan, the impressions were very pleasant, especially about the ARO. After them, we just killed on an UAZ (although it was Andoria with a Polish aspirated).

[Argon]

I don’t know, I don’t know where and how you exploited these "masterpieces", our attempt to start at -26 (in frost) led to a breakdown of the rockers on two cars, the timing belt broke on one, jumped on one. This did not happen with UAZs, not I will say that he is a fan of the brand (this is about UAZ), and there were problems with starting in the cold, but in the end the cars carried out their task and carried them. "Tarpans" generally caused a lot of inconvenience, especially with spare parts.

[Takashi]

Very interesting.!!!!!

That would be a comparison with ours: Kamaz \ Zily standing in service with the Ministry of Defense.

[pinecone]

For example: a purchased, used Polonaise cost a brand new Volga and a lot of money in the USSR. That was such an unofficial course.

It's strange. Where did he come from here, even if it was new or old, when the Polonaise, built on the basis of Fiat 125R, was not delivered to the USSR. Only domestic ones were sold to the population - new ones in turn, and used ones through thrift stores. Foreign passenger cars were a rarity, usually with diplomatic numbers. Soviet citizens had very few of them, and on the streets of Moscow people recognized Rostislav Rostropovich's Mercedes, Maya Plisetskaya's Citroen, Oleg Popov's Volkswagen (black Beetle), etc. The leaders of the country traveled to representative ZILs and Chaikas, and the KGB had Volgas with Tchaikovsky engines.

[Akim]

Quote: pinecone

It’s strange. Where did he come from, at least new, even old

From a personal example. They left Hungary in the 89th year. We bought a 7-year-old "Volga" for 40000 forints (just over 2 pieces in our money). "Polonaise" was offered at the same age for almost the same money. Well, Dad did not want to pay "for cubes" at the border another five hundred rubles. And already when he arrived here, he was told that he was miser, because he could help out 7 times more expensive. In general, many foreign cars drove around the country, especially sailors then brought many "Japanese women". There was even a saying: "I sold Toyota, buy an apartment."

[Bad_gr]

How, how so .... Remember the Polish cars. What the USSR received in quality was comparable with the works of the Yerevan and Kutaisi plants. I did not hear good reviews from drivers who drove this technique.

[sergey32]

Yes, the "mountain tractor" Colchis, it was the same tin.

[svp67]

Quote: sergey32

Yes, the "mountain tractor" Colchis, it was the same tin.

He even had his own name - "Missing ..."

[Starik63]

No animals are worse than a lynx and a car from Kutaisi !!!

[pinecone]

It is incorrect to compare the Polish and Czechoslovak auto industry of that time. Some of the Tatra dump trucks with air-cooled motors were worth something. The Poles had nothing of the kind.

[Akim]

Quote: pinecone

It is incorrect to compare the Polish and Czechoslovak auto industry of the time

How not to compare. If we compare - the Czechs have the first place. They have made the best cars from the centuries. In Germany, they felt a competitor, so they bought a Skoda when the opportunity presented itself. Under the socialist system, Poland did not develop its own cars, but at least did not hide how we are.

[sergey32]

In my 90's I had a Czech Aviation three-ton. Nice little car, diesel took 15l / 100 km. But it’s painfully tender. The suspension required constant attention, the cranky diesel. Once foolishly bought a barrel of diesel fuel from the ensign, then he repaired the pump and changed the nozzle. Not for our conditions.

[Radoslav]

One bought by Poles wrote that they have good cars, and now they all started ... politics, they began to sing along to the Lakh geek, that everything is bad all of us .. oh, interestingly on this site there are patriots of our Motherland-Russia.

[Akim]

Quote: Radoslav

Radoslav

I can abruptly answer you, but only the moderator will not miss. As for your homeland - Russia did not write anything. Maybe they already learned how to make cars better than in the USSR, which I personally doubt. And leave your patriotism for television or better give it to my son. This is good, not to flaunt insults.

[Radoslav]

Everyone has their own homeland. My Motherland is Great Russia. I grew up when our people created the Great Economy, the Great culture of the Great country, when in my Country Russia, everything was the best. And so I will remain forever. And I will try to make my daughter a patriot of her Russia. Listen to the song "Where the Motherland Begins".

[Akim]

Quote: Radoslav

Great Russia. I grew up when our people created the Great Economy, the Great Culture of the Great Country,

Straight in Chinese - the words "great Mao". You think that you live in such a country - to your health. But you shouldn't be prejudiced against everyone. It hurts to fall with your nose up.

[gura]

From Minsk. I picked up, picked up the words for URA_PATRIOT - all are not the same! Choose yourself, from the palette of the Russian language, the most "savory"! Although, I tend to the phrase - patriotically "stupid person"! Another word is banned. This is you, dove! Because of these, the attitude towards Russia is wary, to put it mildly!

[Radoslav]

Quote: Akim

Quote: Radoslav

Great Russia. I grew up when our people created the Great Economy, the Great Culture of the Great Country,

Straight in Chinese - the words "great Mao". You think that you live in such a country - to your health. But you shouldn't be prejudiced against everyone. It hurts to fall with your nose up.

Well, you see your words "straight", the lexicon of a youngster, and this suggests that you actually received a certain fee from sponsors, and secondly, the USSR actually occupied leading positions in the world economy, so your Polish gentry is not only was not quoted in the World, this one is not known to anyone in the World

[Akim]

Quote: Radoslav

"straight", the lexicon of the youngster, and this suggests that you actually received a certain fee

Yeah, and I’m going to visit Warsaw as a sponsor.

Quote: Radoslav

The USSR actually held leading positions in the global economy,

modern Russia is far from the USSR, which was my homeland. But you have to admit flaws in order to live better later. As for the macroeconomics, one can and will agree, but when you are traveling from Donetsk to the Belgorod Region in the 91st and you see empty food shelves, they took doubts.

[Starik63]

I don’t know your age and position, but I think that communicating in such a tone and with such expressions is humiliating in the first place for you! I think that more balanced and reasoned statements will be able to attract others to productive communication with you and will not allow you to cross the boundaries of what is permitted.
This is not a "youngster's speech"? I entered the site - be a man, do not be rude and do not be rude !! Yes, I forgot to say please.
Alexander, 50 years old, Russian citizen since 1991.

[mithridate]

if our automotive equipment was so bad, why then was it in service with so many countries, and now it still stands?

[Akim]

Quote: Mithridates

if our car was so bad

And why did you decide that she was bad ?. In the same Poland there are still 375 Urals. True, they are changing. What Poland did not do was buy from us as well.

[Radoslav]

Well, tell us backward ones, we still walk in sandals, what else did the great Lyakhva do, form us "pre-Renaissance", non-porous, or maybe the Poles have created a strong economy, or maybe they have advanced technologies, or maybe there is advanced science. Neither of which they can not, nor what they can not, no mistake, they can lick their owners.

[Akim]

Quote: Radoslav

Well, tell us backward, we still walk in bast shoes,

You are apparently unlucky in sports? What are you constantly looking for first place? A simple information article was perceived as a campaign of False Dmitry to Moscow. You need to know what your neighbors have, and not stick out your chest like a peacock.

[ICT]

Quote: Akim

Quote: Radoslav
Well, tell us backward, we still walk in bast shoes,

You are apparently unlucky in sports? What are you constantly looking for first place? A simple information article was perceived as a campaign of False Dmitry to Moscow. You need to know what your neighbors have, and not stick out your chest like a peacock.

for people . for sracha, a whole section on a site (news, geopolitics) _here they climb into those sections, it’s boring to see there (well, at least I would say a word on the topic of the article for decency).

[Radoslav]

Well, it's useless to argue with people who revile everything that is native, everything is correct, the Poles are the coolest, their spaceships ply, the vastness of the universe, this is how our people went, everyone loves someone else's, "about times, about manners"

[Akim]

Quote: Radoslav

Well, it’s useless to argue with people who blaspheme everything native, everything is right, Poles are the coolest,

In order not to overemphasize once again, give an example from an article where the estimated degree of Soviet and Polish military equipment goes and try to talk more about the case, and not rush about with political epiphytes.

[builder]

The hunveybin is direct!

[de bouillon]

Quote: Radoslav

Everyone has their own homeland. My Motherland is Great Russia. I grew up when our people created the Great Economy, the Great culture of the Great country, when in my Country Russia, everything was the best. And so I will remain forever. And I will try to make my daughter a patriot of her Russia. Listen to the song "Where the Motherland Begins".

growing up ?? you're just a teenager about 15 years old .. well nitsche vacation will end soon

[Starik63]

But this is a clear violation of the rules of the site. BAN !!

[Radoslav]

[quote = Radoslaw] Well, tell us the backward ones, we still walk in sandals, what else did the great lyakhva do, form us "pre-revens", portless, or maybe the Poles have created a strong economy, or maybe they have advanced technologies, or maybe there is an advanced the science. They can't do anything, they can't do anything, no mistake they can lick their masters. [/ Q I don't think that the Poles, especially the Poles, may be better than we have in Russia.

[ICT]

Quote: Radoslav

we still walk in bast shoes, what else did the great Lyakhva do, form us "pre-revens"

young man someone offended you? you tell us if we’ll come and understand, if necessary we will punish.
further on points
the first point of the article is that a modest small country provides its army with the entire line of cars from light to heavy more, there is nothing there.

the second in Poland, as in a country, the principle of capitalism with a socialist face is realized (i.e.

knowing not by hearsay (he lived and grew up in KOENIG) how modestly the Poles lived under socialism, and HOW they live now, it's like heaven and earth), but it’s better not to compare with us

the third one is about bast shoes, here’s the problem for the Unified State Exam, my mother was born in the village of Vladimir Region in 1951 In what year did the electricity appear there if the village was located from the Moscow-Vladimir highway at a distance of 15 km.
and fourth, try not to breed empty srach on the technical branch of the site

[builder]

Interesting article "+"

[castle]

I think that Mr. RADOSLAV knows that landing ships for the USSR Navy were built in Poland. Maybe not all, BUT! I used to think, why didn’t NATO disband? Now I got acquainted with the views of RADOSLAV and immediately everything became clear.

[Starik63]

Pan Hrad! Thank! Well said. It's a shame, only that because of one undershot, serious people are worried. Do not worry - this is a single sample.

[Volodya Sibiryak]

A friend had a "Star", on his own rubber he sniffed at the very tomatoes, four-wheel drive did not save, but in terms of manufacturing, a nice machine, well-made. He does not like winter, so he stood for most of the cold season, it was sold and replaced by the 131st from the d-245, the diesel engine is not so hot, but in the taiga it rattles and pulls.

[Druid]

Quote: zadorin1974

in the mid-90s, I had to exploit the ARO and Tarpan, the impressions were very pleasant, especially about the ARO. After them, we just killed on an UAZ (although it was Andoria with a Polish aspirated).

I had a chance to ride on the ARO and UAZ with a Polish engine and gearbox. The ARC was gasoline, three-door, without a run, but the end of the 80s was cooler than NIVA in comfort and style, but we just threw it, bullshit, the engine stuck in the third thousand, and it still stands in stock, by the way it’s amazing but not a drop of rust for so many years. UAZ another song, it was already with an all-metal top, and this one with a rag, but the song, it’s a pity, I just beat the fifth point with a bang - it originally had a drill rig, because of this the springs at the rear were strengthened, it was uncomfortable to ride on an empty one.

[Starik63]

Star-66 car is not great, but with some highlights. For example, the compressor on the middle bridge provided air to the machine system when towing and the engine was idle. The six-cylinder in-line engine was very similar to ours from 51, but the electrical equipment was better. Starting with a tugboat did not start very well (they dragged it along for a long time until it woke up) But the remaster workshop mounted on its base did not lag behind the column and did not differ in the workload of the engine. all that I remember about this car.