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Libya: scenes from life

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Soon there will be 2 of the year since the overthrow of Muammar Gaddafi, and the Libyans are still trying to return to normal life. The Arab spring in the form of civil war and revolution in Libya has not yet brought any economic miracles to this country.


Libya: scenes from life

The civil war in Libya became the largest in the number of victims of the conflict during the Arab spring. The country suffered great economic damage.

Libyan protester with a gun, Benghazi, 8 Jun 2013. (Photo by Abdullah Doma | AFP | Getty Images):



Rally in the Libyan capital Tripoli against weapons and armed formations, 7 July 2013. (Photo by Reuters | Ismail Zitouny):



The artist on the wall in Tripoli creates a large panel. Earlier in this place was the image of Muammar Gaddafi. (Photo by Mahmud Turkia | AFP | Getty Images):



View of the coast in Tripoli, 9 Jun. 2013. (Photo by Mahmud Turkia | AFP | Getty Images):



Peace-loving member of the new Libyan security forces. With a rifle and a rose. Benghazi, February 16 2013. (Photo AP Photo | Mohammad Hannon):



Ruins of Cyrene, 26 MAY 2013. This is a city dedicated to Apollo, stood on the territory of modern Libya in 16 km from the seaport of Apollonia. Now on the site of Cyrene is the city of Shahhat. Its ruins are protected by UNESCO as a World Heritage Site. (Photo by Abdullah Doma | AFP | Getty Images):



Former rebels take part in the parade, becoming recruits in the police of Libya, Tripoli, February 28 2013. (Photo by Reuters | Ismail Zitouny):



A gift for the Libyan army - Italian Puma light armored personnel carriers, Tripoli, 6 February 2013. (Photo by Reuters | Ismail Zitouny):



In court, the former head of the local intelligence service of Libya, Buzaid Dorda, Tripoli, 26 March 2013. He was a high-ranking leader of the security forces of the regime of Muammar Gaddafi. (Photo by Reuters | Ismail Zitouny):



A woman came to her son's grave, Benghazi, 17 February 2013. During the civil war in Libya, tens of thousands of people died. (Photo by Reuters | Stringer):



The wall at the former residence of Muammar Gaddafi in the neighborhood of Bab el-Azizia, destroyed during the conflict in 2011 year. An amusement park will appear here. The clearing work has already begun; it should take about two months. (Photo by Mahmud Turkia | AFP | Getty Images):



Destroyed villa of the former Libyan dictator Muammar Gaddafi near the airport of the city of Timbuktu, 30 January 2013. (Photo by Eric Feferberg | AFP | Getty Images):



Libyans, who decided to celebrate the second anniversary of the overthrow of Muammar Gaddafi, launch lanterns in the sky, Benghazi, 17 February 2013. (Photo AP Photo | Mohammad Hannon):



... and fireworks. Benghazi, February 17 2013. (Photo by Mahmud Turkia | AFP | Getty Images):



Paintball was banned during the reign of the former Libyan leader Muammar Gaddafi. Now you can. Benghazi, 20, January 2013. (Photo by Reuters | Esam Al-Fetori):



Exhibition-salon of old cars, Benghazi, 3 July 2013. (Photo by Reuters | Esam Al-Fetori):



High-rise construction cranes. Benghazi, 19, January 2013. (Photo by Reuters | Esam Al-Fetori):



The oil industry of Libya is in serious trouble. Oil production in the country fell to levels 30-year-old.

Prime Minister Ali Zeidan, 12 Jun 2013. (Photo by Fethi Belaid | AFP | Getty Images):



This city with 25 by the thousands of residents once loyal to Muammar Gaddafi is no more: houses are looted and burned, the name Tawergha is crossed out on traffic signs. (Photo by Reuters | Marie-Louise Gumuchian):



5 May 2013 in Libya passed a law on political exclusion, according to which officials in senior positions under the old government cannot work in government structures. Opponents of Muammar Gaddafi rejoiced and launched fireworks.

According to the UN, the law on political isolation has little to do with international standards and will inevitably contribute to the violation of civil and political freedoms of a large number of citizens of the country. (Photo by Reuters | Esam Al-Fetori):



Ghadames is an oasis in the north-west of Libya, at the junction of the Libyan border with the Tunisian and Algerian. Located at the bottom of the dried wadi where the paths of caravans crossed since ancient times. The old part of Ghadames is recognized by UNESCO as a World Heritage Site on the grounds that the high-rise mud houses typical of urban buildings exemplify the human adaptation to living in the 50-degree heat of the Sahara. (Photo by Reuters | Ismail Zitouny):



Benghazi military cemetery. The man puts in order the new graves of British and Italian soldiers who fought in World War II, 4 in May 2013. Many graves were destroyed by members of the Islamist group in February of 2012. (Photo by Reuters | Esam Al-Fetori):



It happens that on Libyan streets they explode cars filled with explosives. Benghazi, 3 July 2013. (Photo by Reuters | Esam Al-Fetori):



... and sometimes they blow up oil pipelines. Ajdabiya, April 2 2013. (Photo by Reuters | Stringer):



After Tripoli, the second largest city in Libya, the carnival “Benghazi - the cultural capital of 2013” took place. During it, lit candles were lit, 18 of April 2013. (Photo by Reuters | Esam Al-Fetori):



Carnival "Benghazi - the cultural capital of 2013", 18 April 2013. (Photo by Reuters | Esam Al-Fetori):

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  1. MIKHAN
    MIKHAN 20 July 2013 06: 29
    10
    Soon the world will forget that there was such a country Libya ...
    1. Ruslan67
      Ruslan67 20 July 2013 06: 34
      +6
      Quote: MIKHAN
      Soon the world will forget that there was such a country Libya ...

      If they continue like this, they will forget in the world what the Near and Middle East will be - the caliphate will be uncontrollable by anyone. And they themselves will rake in - we are certainly closer, but the geyropa and the states are tastier and easier wassat
    2. AVV
      AVV 20 July 2013 13: 04
      13
      The once prosperous Libya in development was thrown back 50 years ago, an ice rink of democrats from the USA walked on it! They solved their problems, sawed off the Pentagon’s budget, seized oil rigs, and nothing else interests them !!!
      1. bogdan
        bogdan 20 July 2013 19: 21
        +8
        Here is the work of the controlled media - creating the correct picture in your head: "Everything is fine, the dictator is defeated, the people are rejoicing and rejoicing, - democracy has come."
        I think the states will really pour green cut paper into Libya (though they really pump oil out as well) - we need to make another showcase of the right democracy.
        1. bogdan
          bogdan 20 July 2013 19: 27
          +6
          And by the way, the photo report is rotten, obviously custom-made, for one reason that, after the massive NATO bombing of the Libyans, everything became good - judging by the pros, many like it - justify it!
    3. bolyasnikov evgenij
      bolyasnikov evgenij 21 July 2013 21: 25
      +2
      YES ANOTHER STATE WILL APPEAR
  2. vladsolo56
    vladsolo56 20 July 2013 06: 40
    16
    Judging by this report, the Libyans are simply happy that they killed Gaddafi. Now they have life, every day is a holiday.
    1. SHILO
      SHILO 20 July 2013 10: 21
      11
      Quote: vladsolo56
      Judging by this report, the Libyans are simply happy that they killed Gaddafi. Now they have life, every day is a holiday.


      I will try to visualize your thought.
    2. R'RёS,R ° F "RёR№
      R'RёS,R ° F "RёR№ 20 July 2013 16: 49
      11
      The main thing is that you can paintball. This alone outweighs everything that was with Gaddafi. Happiness to you, finally free Libyans !!! (Idiocy in the square, God forgive me ...)
    3. aviator_IAS
      aviator_IAS 20 July 2013 19: 16
      +3
      Quote: vladsolo56
      Judging by this report, the Libyans are simply happy that they killed Gaddafi. Now they have life, every day is a holiday.


      Photo: Reuters

      Well yes, from this DESinformational
      agencies expect the most unbiased information. wink

      Benghazi military cemetery. The man puts in order the new graves of British and Italian soldiers who fought in World War II, 4 in May 2013. Many graves were destroyed by members of the Islamist group in February of 2012. (Photo by Reuters | Esam Al-Fetori):

      What other Islamist groups? These are fighters with a hateful regime bought with Western money. Groupings by the way did not disappear, they even rule. So the shot is staged, and the graves will not be long in this state.

      It happens that on Libyan streets they explode cars filled with explosives. Benghazi, 3 July 2013. (Photo by Reuters | Esam Al-Fetori):

      ... and sometimes they blow up oil pipelines. Ajdabiya, April 2 2013. (Photo by Reuters | Stringer):


      And the rest is a beautiful marquise, all is well, all is well!
  3. MIKHAN
    MIKHAN 20 July 2013 06: 42
    +6
    Yeah, these caliphates of jihad of akbar. There is no time to work and produce something and why .. heyevropa will feed. In Russia, we at least try to get them to work, we chase them .. Not always successfully, but still
  4. MIKHAN
    MIKHAN 20 July 2013 06: 56
    14
    Quote: vladsolo56
    Judging by this report, the Libyans are simply happy that they killed Gaddafi. Now they have life, every day is a holiday.

    Our people are also happy (especially in the provinces) Freedom damn it! but around as Mamai went through at least films about the war take off and you don’t need to build decorations .. The sadness attacked simply .. repeat
  5. Gooch
    Gooch 20 July 2013 07: 23
    -8
    Life goes on as it has chosen such a topic, so it’s necessary, you can talk about the Libyans for thousands of kilometers, you can understand them too, and without Gaddafi they live, freely, time will pass by to catch up
    1. Alexei
      Alexei 20 July 2013 07: 28
      11
      Quote: Gooch
      time will catch up yet lost

      Well. And then they will again be thrown back, and again it will be necessary to catch up. Beauty and nothing more.
      1. Gooch
        Gooch 20 July 2013 12: 22
        -1
        Quote: Alexej
        Well. And then they will again be thrown back, and again it will be necessary to catch up. Beauty and nothing more.

        Does it resemble any country?) How many times have Russia been thrown back? And How? don't worry so much for the Libyans.)
    2. rainufa
      rainufa 20 July 2013 16: 38
      16
      Quote: Gooch
      Life goes on as it has chosen such a topic, so it’s necessary, you can talk about the Libyans for thousands of kilometers, you can understand them too, and without Gaddafi they live, freely, time will pass by to catch up


      So it should be, and no need to talk about them?
      Let governments friendly to us be overthrown, we will not discuss them.
      Wake up, these were our interests and Gaddafi was our friend, and we, roughly speaking, pros.r.ali, the events that are happening now in Libya are not indifferent to us.
      Who will return to us, lost, multi-billion dollar contracts and Libya, friendly to us?
      Yes, it was a lesson for us, but too expensive.

      Gaddafi, you defended your country, your people boldly and courageously, you did not flee the country, you died like a warrior.

      Forgive us.
      1. Yarbay
        Yarbay 20 July 2013 17: 36
        -19 qualifying.
        Quote: rainufa
        Kadaffi you defended your country

        Nevermind, he defended his country, but tried to protect himself!
        Why pathetic Words !?
        He completely destroyed the army in Libya, believing that he did not need it, and in general, analyzing the last years of his power, it is clearly visible that he fell into insanity and considered himself omnipotent!
        1. Uhalus
          Uhalus 20 July 2013 21: 22
          +8
          Well, he remained the hell since he defended himself? I would have flushed myself with money, and for a short time, I knew that he would be eaten. So no, he fought, called out ... And he died without leaving the country anywhere. He did not destroy the army. If he had arranged for her a purge, like ours in 1938-1940, everything would have been completely different with him.
          1. Yarbay
            Yarbay 21 July 2013 07: 31
            -8
            Quote: Uhalus
            Well, he remained the hell since he defended himself? I would have flushed myself with money, and for a short time, I knew that he would be eaten.

            So I tried to get away !!
            Just being already a senile and sick of his * greatness * he late assessed the situation!
            And the money would be milked to the last drop!
            How do children reason!
            Quote: Uhalus
            So no, fought, cried out.

            was so brave would not run anywhere!
            1. DEMENTIY
              DEMENTIY 21 July 2013 17: 33
              0
              What is there! Give Colonel MARSHAL.
          2. Beck
            Beck 21 July 2013 08: 47
            -16 qualifying.
            Quote: Uhalus
            Well, he remained the hell since he defended himself? Laugh off with the money, and all the short


            Of all the Arab dictators, the most intelligent was the dictator of Tunisia, Ben Ali. He did not spill the blood of the people, but with the stolen money washed away. He is now burning the rest of his days on some azure coast in bliss and luxury. And why would Assad not do this.

            And Ben Ali was also the most compassionate. Did he have a choice to shoot his people or leave? He chose to leave. Like with the words - "What the hell I need all this. Live yourself. Choose whoever you want to rule." And why would not Assad say so.
            1. antidote
              antidote 21 July 2013 11: 58
              +3
              Yes, you brother are always pro-American. How is it that Al Qaeda Assad declared an enemy, but he did not run away. A dozen dissatisfied rallies. Al Jazeera played staged manifestations for the backs, it is not in vain.
              in general, a person should have his own brains, and not washed by Western media
              1. Beck
                Beck 21 July 2013 21: 32
                -4
                Quote: antidot
                Yes, you brother are always pro-American.


                Not by pro-American, but by justice, as I understand it.

                He took the stranger - Give it back.
                He seized power by force - Return it to the people.
                Killed - Be convicted.

                If the United States attacked Moldova, Lithuania, Mongolia, India, where there is a certain degree of democracy, then yes. But if the West provides direct and indirect assistance to peoples who want to throw off tyrants, then this is fair.

                So you will protect the neighboring family, which the tyrant’s husband beats in the blood? Or will you stop the police from coming to curb the rowdy?

                By the way, they say that data surfaced that Chikatilo was an ardent anti-Americanist and swore the West with might and main. Let us now justify the killings of Chikatilo. But he is not worth a thousandth of the Arab dictatorships in the shedding of human blood.
            2. Yarbay
              Yarbay 21 July 2013 21: 05
              +1
              Quote: Beck
              Of all the Arab dictators, the most intelligent was the dictator of Tunisia, Ben Ali. He did not spill the blood of the people, but with the stolen money washed away.

              He was not supported by the military, so he turned out to be smart !!
              1. Beck
                Beck 21 July 2013 21: 20
                -3
                Quote: Yarbay
                He was not supported by the military, so he turned out to be smart !!


                Yes, at least how. He did not even bring the situation to the level of Mubarak.
                1. Yarbay
                  Yarbay 22 July 2013 00: 58
                  0
                  Quote: Beck
                  Yes, at least how. He did not even bring the situation to the level of Mubarak.

                  I do not agree !!
                  At first he tried to suppress the speeches, but he was quickly surrendered by the people around him!

                  Tunisia Military Tribunal sentenced to life imprisonment in absentia on June 13, 2012 for the killing of demonstrators during the crackdown in the country in early 2011

                  The president first declared the protesters to be extremists, al-Qaeda fighters and foreign agents. This nonsense only added to the rage of the demonstrators. Ben Ali went from the other side, promising to create 300 thousand jobs. But no one wanted to listen to him. No measures helped - the number of people on the squares and avenues was growing.

                  When the army, aimed at drowning the uprising in blood, sided with the demonstrators, the president realized that it was time to save himself. Having seized relatives and belongings (according to rumors - one and a half tons of gold), he escaped from the palace to the airport, got on a private plane and flew to Saudi Arabia - the traditional last refuge of many deposed dictators.
                  enta.ru/articles/2011/06/21/benali/
    3. Beck
      Beck 20 July 2013 18: 42
      -19 qualifying.
      Quote: Gooch
      and without Gaddafi live, freely, time will pass catch up


      Exactly. Here, such an understanding goes that there is no Libya. In the photographs Libya was, is and will be. Libyans live with their problems, with their joys. And the state of mind is much better than under the dictator Gaddafi. And here, as Urashniki predicted two years ago, Libya will become an Orthodox, Islamic country, Amer will pump oil and gas for free, and NATO bases will be in Libya. There is nothing of this.

      He threw off the people of the dictator and lives as best he can, learning and joining civilization. Just like Tunisia lives without the dictator Ben Ali, Like Chile without the dictator Pinochet, like Kampuchea without the dictator Paul Pot, like Iraq without Hussein.

      These peoples threw off dictators and came to the Elective, replaced power.

      And how can you grieve, here on the site, according to Gaddafi, who killed thousands of people and blew up passenger planes of third countries. Indeed, one can grieve both by the cannibal Bokassa and Hitler.

      And all just because in the West pocket in the pocket. Let even a cannibal, even a killer, even a tyrant - the main thing is that there are against the West. And the fact that they are haters, scoundrels, murderers is so on the side.
      1. aviator_IAS
        aviator_IAS 20 July 2013 19: 46
        +5
        Quote: Beck
        In Libya, NATO bases will stand. There is nothing of this.


        NATO itself would not even dream of such a terrible dream. What would be like in Afghanistan: shelling, terrorist attacks, landmines on the roads. And I would have to fight with fighters fed on their money.


        Quote: Beck
        killing thousands of people and blowing up passenger planes of third countries.


        Well, just a quote about mattresses. Just add - many thousands.
        1. Beck
          Beck 21 July 2013 08: 23
          -8
          Quote: aviator_IAS
          NATO itself would not even dream of such a terrible dream.


          So I didn’t say that. It’s Uroshniki who made such forecasts for two years. But there are no bases. Now they get out again.

          Quote: poquello
          For starters, let’s make up for the lost. In addition to freedom of mind and pinball, is there anything better? And worse? How many Libyans died for pinball?


          Catch up. Not all at once. And in all wars, especially civilians, people die. And how else to throw off a tyrant if he does not want to leave and shoots his people. In Russia during the civil war, too, the people died immeasurably, but Russia did not disappear. And now the population lives many times better than under tsarism - the despotism of one person.

          Quote: aviator_IAS
          Amer will pump oil and gas for free,
          And what? Really pay?


          What a merchant, a modern company will buy goods for distant lands to still spend money on supply.
          About 60% of its oil demand is bought by the USA in Venezuela and Mexico. Near by, you do not need to be taken from the other half of the globe. Some part is delivered from Canada and some part is mined on its territory. From the Middle East only 10% seem. Arab oil goes mainly to Europe and the Far East.
          And the fact that the West does not dictate its terms to the new state is shown by Iraq. Uroshniki also shouted - Oil, dictatorship, puppets, etc. rubbish. Now Iraq, without Hussein, is in control of its oil. Otherwise, how dare the Iraqi puppets give the concession for the development of their oil fields not to the United States, but to Russian LUKOIL. Yes, Iraq recently signed an agreement to supply US $ 800 million fighter jets. (That's where the money comes from if not oil). But earlier Iraq signed an agreement on the supply of Russian weapons for $ 3 billion. OTKEDOVA MONEY ZIN ??? There is no industry, agriculture is only a livelihood. And from the sold oil and the USA to them in this matter, how to mine, to whom to sell, where to spend oil money is not a pointer.

          Quote: FeteL
          and blowing up passenger planes of third countries nonsense, lies and nonsense. Even the relatives of the victims themselves do not consider Gaddafi guilty of explosions, evidence in court was far-fetched, another unsuccessful falsification of the CIA


          This is you denying the involvement of Gaddafi in the bombings involved in lies, delirium and b ... th. I wish you success in the field of fraud, fraud, fencing. Ours with a brush in this matter.
          1. Lopatov
            Lopatov 21 July 2013 08: 43
            +8
            Quote: Beck
            And how else to throw off a tyrant if he does not want to leave and shoots his people.

            Excuse me, but will you tell me who appoints a tyrant? Who decides that the same Gaddafiran, and some Bahraini King Hamad is not a tyrant, but quite a wonderful absolute monarch who simply suppresses unrest by force of arms?

            Who decides who to put on the bomb democratization waiting list, and who not? Why did Gaddafi get a bullet, and Abdullah II a big tranche from the United States to extinguish popular performances?
            1. Alexander Romanov
              Alexander Romanov 21 July 2013 08: 55
              +3
              Quote: Spade
              Excuse me, but will you tell me who appoints a tyrant?

              Better ask Beck why there is a tyrant in Syria and a legitimate government in Qatar or Bahrain wink
            2. Beck
              Beck 21 July 2013 09: 14
              -9
              Quote: Spade
              Excuse me, but will you tell me who appoints a tyrant? Who decides that the same Gaddafiran, and some Bahraini King Hamad is not a tyrant, but quite a wonderful absolute monarch who simply suppresses unrest by force of arms?


              Monarchy is the passed stage of evolution of human civilization. But there still remained the remains of kings, sheikhs, sultans. But they will go away in history. Sooner or later, the peoples of Saudi Arabia and Qatar will throw off the king and the sheikh. But they will throw them off, nobody will do it for them. Neither Russia nor the United States will sacrifice life and one soldier to throw the king. This must be done by the people themselves. That's when he rises then and gives civilization moral support to these people. (How rose in Syria). And now there is the presumption that the Saudis themselves may want to live under the king. And these kingdoms are patient to the extent that they do not attack other countries like Hussein. they don’t shoot at their people like Assad, they don’t blow up planes of other countries like Gaddafi.

              And dictators, DEFAULT, mean those conceited people who seized power by military force, and not by the legitimate Election process. Such are in the history of Franco, Pinochet, Salazar, Pol-Pot, Bokassa, Hussein, Gaddafi, Assad and others.

              Regimes are also dictatorial. Communist - in Cuba, in China and in the USSR. Fascist - in Germany, Italy, Spain.
              1. Alexander Romanov
                Alexander Romanov 21 July 2013 09: 18
                +3
                Quote: Beck
                And dictators, DEFAULT, mean those conceited people who seized power by military force, and not by the legitimate Election process.

                In other words. Now in Libya, the dictatorship and the power of the dictator came to power by military means laughing Beck. And in the US there is no dictator?
                Quote: Beck

                Regimes are also dictatorial. Communist - in Cuba, in China and in the USSR

                For Cuba, China and the USSR are minus you!
                1. Beck
                  Beck 21 July 2013 09: 44
                  -7
                  Quote: Alexander Romanov
                  In other words. Now in Libya is a dictatorship and in power a dictator who has come to power by military means Beck. And in the USA there is no dictator?


                  Now in Libya, the elected government, which was elected after the overthrow of the dictator. And the whole world expected that the Islamists would win the election, but this did not happen. Secular supporters of state building came to power in Libya.

                  I name the specific names of the dictators. And you name the specific American dictator? There, presidents change regularly, depending on who wins the election. And Obama will leave.

                  Quote: Alexander Romanov
                  For Cuba, China and the USSR are minus you!


                  Minus is so minus. But there are buttons to press them. But the true communist regime remained only in Cuba and in the DPRK, as a model how to live. In the DPRK, the worst model when they blackmail the world with atomic weapons.

                  Communist regimes (and fascist ones) ceased to exist, as they were in conflict with human attitudes of understanding Good and Evil. Otherwise, why would communism collapse in all of Eastern Europe and the whole world. And do not poison here about conspiracies, dark forces, aliens. And the most important argument to you. If communism is so good, why did the RUSSIAN people, at the end of the 20th century, not want to live under communism? Why did not defend the code of communism to the last.

                  In China, at the moment, not communism. The basic doctrine of communism is Means of production (factories, factories, workshops, ateliers) must be in the hands of Productive Forces (workers, people to avert eyes, but in fact the state).
                  There is no such thing in China. Now in China, just the dictatorship of the ruling party. That's all. But not the rules of the Socialist Community.
                  1. Alexander Romanov
                    Alexander Romanov 21 July 2013 09: 56
                    +3
                    Quote: Beck
                    And you name the specific American dictator?

                    It’s easy, in the USA there are two parties, Republicans and Democrats, who share power among themselves and simply will not give the chance to create a third party. Although it will be tea, at least some. Further, only the dictator could secure his own pentagon and dump it on bin Laden. Only a dictatorial regime can interfere in the affairs of the whole world and spit on the opinion of the UN.
                    1. plantagenet
                      plantagenet 21 July 2013 11: 31
                      +1
                      Actually, in the USA, there are more than 30 "third" parties. It's just that they very rarely achieve serious results in elections. Although in the 20-30s, the socialists achieved great success in the elections. Conversations "to get your own Pentagon and blame it on bin laden" are from the same series as the FSB blew up houses in Moscow.
                      1. Lopatov
                        Lopatov 21 July 2013 11: 42
                        +2
                        Quote: plantagenet
                        Actually, in the USA, there are more than 30 "third" parties. It's just that they very rarely achieve serious results in elections.

                        Right. Because a powerful financial barrier has been put in their way. This is the whole essence of Western "democracy" - it exists only in words.

                        The Dutch authorities hold referendums on the color of the facades of buildings, and to send their military contingents it is not known where they are limited to a simple majority in parliament.
                    2. Beck
                      Beck 21 July 2013 16: 11
                      -3
                      Quote: Alexander Romanov
                      It’s easy, in the USA there are two parties, Republicans and Democrats, who share power among themselves and simply will not give the chance to create a third party.


                      Respected. These two parties simply have great authority and a long history. You can create any party, but then accept the fact that it will take a long time to promote a new brand. Everything unknown and little known does not attract attention. In the United States, at the very time of the Cold War, there was a communist party led by Gus Hall. Truth on the money of the Communist Party. At the same time, there were no parties in the USSR. As soon as money stopped coming from outside, the leaders of the US Communist Party spat on their party. Moreover, socialism can only be implanted by force. No one in their right mind is tempted by the "charms" of communal socialism. Even now, create a new party in Russia, it will also take time for it to rise to the level of "United Russia, the Communist Party of the Russian Federation, the Liberal Democratic Party.

                      And I asked you without fictional horror stories. Like the amers themselves blew up their homes and the Pentagon. If the United States spit on the UN, they would have long intervened in Syrian affairs. But there is no permission for this from the UN Security Council and the bloodshed in Syria continues, and the United States follows the UN procedures.

                      They blew themselves up? It’s like that there was never anyone on the moon, and the amers all filmed on Hollywood. In the same way, we can say that there are no elementary particles that make up the atom - quarks, gluons, mesons, etc. that are studied at the collider. And it’s just that the West near Geneva wasn’t built by a collider, but underground Hollywood, and now the West is driving the whole world a movie shot in an underground factory.
                      1. Alexander Romanov
                        Alexander Romanov 22 July 2013 04: 19
                        0
                        Quote: Beck
                        You can create any party

                        You can create it, but who will give the word to this party or broadcast. Not a lot of people are also indulging in US presidential candidates, only on TV you will not see them and no one will debate with them. Only a democrat is against a republican, and this is totalitarianism.
                        Quote: Beck
                        And I asked you without fictional horror stories. Like the amers themselves blew up their homes and the Pentagon.

                        Beck, put at least one photo, even with a piece of the plane that flew into the Pentagon-tiny at least wink And then I'll lay out a hole from the airplane laughing
                        Quote: Beck
                        Pentagon. If the United States spit on the UN, they would have long intervened in Syrian affairs

                        The US is already intervening in sponsoring and training terrorists. With regards to military intervention, Obama does not want his soldiers to die in Syria.
                        Quote: Beck
                        But there is no permission for this from the UN Security Council

                        In Yugoslavia, too, there was no UN permission, but the United States spat on it and there was no permission to invade Iraq, but the United States did not give a damn, and these are war crimes of the totalitarian regime.
                        Quote: Beck
                        and bloodshed in Syria continues, and the US is following UN procedures.

                        Observe, through third countries arming terrorists or do you call scumbags the scumbags of the priests as opposition.
                        Quote: Beck
                        They blew themselves up?

                        A piece of an airplane - studio photo wink
                        Beck, you're on our site - Voice of America wassat
                      2. Beck
                        Beck 22 July 2013 07: 13
                        -2
                        Quote: Alexander Romanov
                        Beck, you're on our site - Voice of America


                        As for sponsorship .. You ascribe what is not. What is the United States sponsoring Kaedu ??? Congress therefore banned the government from supplying weapons to the healthy forces of the rebel movement in Syria, as it fears that it might fall into Kaede.

                        Yugoslavia. The peoples of Yugoslavia wanted to live on their own, without the leadership of Belgrade. Why did Milosevic force to maintain a mini empire in the Balkans. Let us now blame the Rus for not wanting to live as part of the Golden Horde. If NATO had not intervened, the war would continue and today there would have been or would not have been any small people of the Balkans on the planet. Yeltsin, no matter what he was, but did not become a force to preserve the Union - Human blood would have been shed a hundred times more than in the Balkans.

                        Quote: Alexander Romanov
                        Beck, you're on our site - Voice of America


                        And for the urashniki, if Russia is not ahead, then it is a bad state. And it doesn't depend on the name of the country. If in scientific, technical, economic, military aspects, China would be ahead (and this may well happen), the urashniki will find fault with China and forget about the United States. If Honduras is ahead, then they will find fault with him - "Yes, so that this Honduras oongduras, they, bastards, seized the leadership in the sale of bananas. And all the banana plantations of the world crushed for themselves. And the bananas of Costa Rica are used for free"

                        And what a way to stick labels. I’m not saying that some Uroshniks have the voice of great-power chauvinism, Black-Hundred anarchism, and Primeval house-building.
                    3. SHILO
                      SHILO 23 July 2013 15: 52
                      0
                      BEK
                      Respected. These two parties are simply with great authority and with a long history.


                      Dear, do you yourself believe in this nonsense?
            3. Lopatov
              Lopatov 21 July 2013 09: 38
              +3
              Quote: Beck
              Monarchy is the passed stage of evolution of human civilization. But there still remained the remains of kings, sheikhs, sultans. But they will go away in history.

              Yeah, they’ll run. Well, maybe when they run out of oil. Although not a fact, just power is almost as good as power with oil.

              Quote: Beck
              This must be done by the people themselves. That's when he rises then and gives civilization moral support to these people.

              So he got up. And in the SA, and in Bahrain, and in Oman, and in Jordan.

              And "civilization" provided moral and often material support not to the people, but to the monarchs who suppressed the actions of their people.
              In Bahrain, this was not at all the local security forces, but the military from the SA and the police from the UAE. And nothing, all the "civilized" supported.

              So maybe it's not about "democracy" at all?
              1. Beck
                Beck 21 July 2013 09: 50
                -6
                Quote: Spade
                Yeah, they’ll run.


                There was a time when there were kings all over the world. The time has come when they are not there. Because the question was posed by humanity an edge - Either leave or overthrow. Where they overthrew, where the kings themselves left, but there were still flaws.
                1. Lopatov
                  Lopatov 21 July 2013 09: 58
                  +4
                  Quote: Beck
                  Either leave or overthrow.

                  Then there were no tanks. And now they are very effective against this kind of treachery. Ask the Saudis, they are in the know. The other day they planted seven for a term of five to ten years. Not even for participating in the riots, but for speaking on the Internet.
                  So what? Has "civilization" somehow reacted to the violation of freedom of speech? Well no. At the "civilization" at the very snout in the gun.
                  1. Beck
                    Beck 21 July 2013 16: 37
                    -2
                    Quote: Spade
                    Then there were no tanks. And now they are very effective against this kind of treachery.


                    Sooner or later, these last kings and sheikhs will fly away, under the pressure of peoples. And the world will welcome the overthrow of the last monarchies of the world. It is these landings that the kings prepare the ground for their subsequent exile. Kings and dictators differ only in one thing - the kings have no legitimacy - the power is inherited, the dictators do not, and they seized power by violence. And why it did not react, condemned.

                    Quote: antidot
                    You don’t prove anything to Beck, if Obama said it’s the enemy, that’s the way it is. Lumin means lumin. A man who is very blighted by the Western media. Although he can and does represent the Western media


                    Everything can be proved to the sane, but with arguments, objective data. And, what Obama once told me sideways, because I have long had my own established worldview.

                    And I watch news programs on Russian television and Evronus in Russian. In general, I’ll spill balm on your soul. I can’t imagine the Western media. I represent the CIA since I am his combining agent. Because I am also an intelligence agent of China, Seychelles, Mozambique and a freelance agent for the Papuans, the textile workers union and the teetotaler community. Recently, Alexander Romanov’s encrypted comments and sent to Washington. And each such encryption costs one cent, so a lot of work.
                    1. Arkan
                      Arkan 21 July 2013 19: 46
                      +1
                      Quote: Beck
                      You can prove to the sane

                      You flatter yourself. laughing
                    2. Beck
                      Beck 21 July 2013 21: 00
                      -2
                      Quote: Arkan
                      You flatter yourself


                      Ah, that. You met a man who would seriously say that he is a fool ... to.

                      And who do you consider yourself - Sane or Fool? If the second then inform it in public.
                2. Arkan
                  Arkan 21 July 2013 19: 44
                  +2
                  Quote: Spade
                  Has "civilization" somehow reacted to the violation of freedom of speech? Well no. At the "civilization" at the very snout in the gun.

                  Good afternoon! The fact is that the United States has undertaken to protect the Middle East monarchies from all threats (including Israel) while they trade energy resources for dollars ... Hence the loyalty of "civilization" to real tyrants.
                  1. Lopatov
                    Lopatov 21 July 2013 21: 29
                    +1
                    Good day.
                    Quote: Arkan
                    The fact is that the United States has pledged to protect the Middle Eastern monarchies from all threats (including from Israel) while they trade energy for dollars

                    This is not the point. They are primarily needed for a possible war with Iran. Only they, having increased oil supplies, will be able to prevent a catastrophic increase in prices.

                    And indeed, to have a close acquaintance with those who are sitting on the valves is very beneficial.

                    And so a lot of things get away with it. Remember September 11th. Most of the suicide bombers are Saudis, and for some reason they have appointed Iran as the guilty.
        2. antidote
          antidote 21 July 2013 12: 02
          +3
          You don’t prove anything to Beck, if Obama said it’s the enemy, that’s the way it is. Lumin means lumin. A man who is very blighted by the Western media. Although he can and does represent the Western media
      2. Fetel
        Fetel 21 July 2013 12: 21
        +1
        This is you denying the involvement of Gaddafi in the bombings involved in lies, delirium and b ... th.
        - learn the materiel, dear: http://maxpark.com/community/129/content/773522

        A prosecution expert tricked judges over key evidence in the Lockerbie trial, according to a secret police memo obtained by the Sunday Herald.

        The trial of the two Libyans accused of bombing began in May 2000 in a Scottish court in the Netherlands. During the trial, Dr. Thomas Hayes, an expert witness on the prosecution’s side, testified that no trace of the explosives was analyzed on a fragment of the bomb’s clockwork.

        However, according to the memorandum, in fact, the analyzes were carried out - and their result was negative. According to the prosecution, the clockwork and explosives were hidden in a Toshiba cassette radio, which Megrahi put in a suitcase along with clothes.
        - that is, one of the key facts of the accusation turned out to be false.

        And in the subject: http://www.inosmi.ru/europe/20120322/188857818.html

        And more: http://trueinform.ru/modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid=970
        Susan Lindauer, a former CIA agent, is the author of Extreme Partiality: The Frightening Story of the United States Counter-Terrorism Act and Concealment of the Truth about 11/09 and Iraq. She was at the center of events that led to the explosion of the plane and the death of innocent people.

        She argues that a Pan American flight 103 plane was blown up over Scotland in 1988 because the US CIA was involved in drug trafficking in the Middle East. Libya had nothing to do with it and that’s why it was hurt ...


        In short, the case was FABRICATED - and you believe in a lie.
        1. Rider
          Rider 21 July 2013 14: 47
          +1
          Quote: FeteL
          In short, the case was FABRICATED - and you believe in a lie


          papravka, does not "believe" but PROMOTES.

          a couple of times already encountered verbal battles with Beck.
          and both times to such his statements, he cited arguments akin to yours - to the MUCH.
          since the training manual says - Gaddafi is a dictator, and a priori is to blame for everything.

          conclusion - the Cossack is mishandled.
          Well, he earns like that.

          and by the way, if anyone is interested.

  6. poquello
    poquello 20 July 2013 19: 49
    +4
    Quote: Beck
    Quote: Gooch
    and without Gaddafi live, freely, time will pass catch up


    Exactly. Here, such an understanding goes that there is no Libya. In the photographs Libya was, is and will be. Libyans live with their problems, with their joys. And the state of mind is much better than under the dictator Gaddafi. And how is it here


    For starters, let’s make up for the lost. In addition to freedom of mind and pinball, is there anything better? And worse? How many Libyans died for pinball?
  7. smile
    smile 20 July 2013 20: 44
    +3
    Beck
    What wonderful words: Libya was, is and will be .. in the photographs ... that's it, that only in the photographs ... I wanted to put a smiley face, but something is not funny for me ....
  8. aviator_IAS
    aviator_IAS 20 July 2013 21: 34
    +5
    Directly tears welling up as I imagine compassionate Americans, not for profit. but only from a sincere concern for the Iraqi and Libyan people, the Tomahawks bullying everything that moves.


    Quote: Beck
    Amer will pump oil and gas for free,


    And what? Really pay? belay
  9. Fetel
    Fetel 21 July 2013 00: 33
    +2
    Threw the people of the dictator
    - Whose people are yours, American? Without NATO intervention, Gaddafi would have crushed the rebellion.

    by Gaddafi, who killed thousands of people
    - when Colonel Gaddafi came to power, he was supported by so many people that not a single person was killed. America killed hundreds of thousands more than was executed under Gaddafi.

    and blowing up passenger planes of third countries
    nonsense, lies and nonsense. Even the relatives of the victims themselves do not consider Gaddafi guilty of explosions, the evidence in court was far-fetched, another unsuccessful falsification of the CIA. In it, like in your other nonsense, only various licks of the anal opening of pin dos are believed in it, to which you can be attributed.
  • smile
    smile 20 July 2013 19: 16
    +5
    Gooch
    And did you believe in this idyll? Everything is fine, beautiful marquise, only sometimes cars are fired on the streets, cars, oil pipelines explode, during the war and subsequent mopping up of Muammar’s supporters people died an order of magnitude more than during the bad Gaddafi, entire cities disappeared, the country actually broke up and is not controlled by the fact that replaced by state power, different settlements and individual deposits are controlled by different tribal unions or terrorist gangs. Libya has become a supplier of mercenaries and weapons to all the hot spots of the planet, industry has been destroyed, resources go for nothing to those who organized the war, the standard of living of the population fell by an order of magnitude .....
    All is well, beautiful marquise .... all is well ... do you wish everyone such good? However, you are a humanist .... :)))
    1. Gooch
      Gooch 21 July 2013 09: 33
      -3
      Quote: aviator_IAS
      Quote: Gooch
      Life goes on as it has chosen such a topic, so it’s necessary, you can talk about the Libyans for thousands of kilometers, you can understand them too, and without Gaddafi they live, freely, time will pass by to catch up


      It is very naive to think so. This is not why such porridge was brewed. Lovers of free oil simply DO NOT GIVE. It is beneficial for the West to maintain permanent chaos in the country. In the current situation, this is easy. How "they live freely and catch up" can be seen on the example of Iraq.

      Look at Iraq’s GDP under Saddam and after, why is it growing every year? Really because vile Americans pump oil to the last drop? The people supported the overthrow of Hussein, otherwise it could not be, he has outlived his own.
      1. Fetel
        Fetel 21 July 2013 12: 10
        +2
        Look at Iraq’s GDP under Saddam and after, why is it growing every year
        - just because the Americans lifted the sanctions.

        But you forgot to mention that every year the number of people killed in terrorist attacks is growing. Dubious achievement of "democracy", isn't it?
        1. Beck
          Beck 21 July 2013 16: 50
          -1
          Quote: FeteL
          But you forgot to mention that every year the number of deaths in terrorist attacks is growing.


          This is not the people who die for the West or for Hussein. This inter-confessional feud Sunnis blow up Shiites and vice versa. They are up to politics, like a blind man to a light bulb. It is religion that divides people into true and unbelievers. Until recently, Protestant Irish people were wetting Irish Catholics, and in the toilets too, Catholics answered the same.

          Orthodox religious people are redder than carrots and rounder than apples and did not see anything, because they do not want to see.
    2. Gooch
      Gooch 21 July 2013 09: 40
      -1
      And did you believe in this idyll? Everything is fine, beautiful marquise, only sometimes cars are fired on the streets, cars, oil pipelines explode, during the war and subsequent mopping up of Muammar’s supporters people died an order of magnitude more than during the bad Gaddafi, entire cities disappeared, the country actually broke up and is not controlled by the fact that replaced by state power, different settlements and individual deposits are controlled by different tribal unions or terrorist gangs. Libya has become a supplier of mercenaries and weapons to all the hot spots of the planet, industry has been destroyed, resources go for nothing to those who organized the war, the standard of living of the population fell by an order of magnitude .....

      Libyans knew what they were doing. To rebel against the regime and wage war within six months, one must have good reasons. It turns out they had them.
      1. Lopatov
        Lopatov 21 July 2013 09: 49
        +1
        Quote: Gooch
        To rebel against the regime and wage war within six months, one must have good reasons.

        And then. Very good. Control and drank hydrocarbon revenues. Now they got it all. Along the way, reducing the population of subordinate cattle. Which under Gaddafi has forgotten how to work, and therefore it must be fed so as not to rebel.
        1. Gooch
          Gooch 21 July 2013 10: 40
          0
          Quote: Spade
          And then. Very good. Control and drank hydrocarbon revenues. Now they got it all. Along the way, reducing the population of subordinate cattle. Which under Gaddafi has forgotten how to work, and therefore it must be fed so as not to rebel.

          Believe me, no less believe in the country where you live cattle :) And if you compare in proportion with Libya, then at times more, which is just not very eager to work, but at the same time I wanted to lie down to the fact that it is not a herd having the freedoms that people have in the west, so it’s better to drink a couple of glasses of Putinka, pray for the portrait of the president, cross yourself and go to bed :) Rejoice for the next Dacha of Yakunin, Putin, Kadyrov, and continue to talk about the destructiveness of revolutionary actions against the rabble that seized power in your country :)
          1. Lopatov
            Lopatov 21 July 2013 11: 01
            +3
            Quote: Gooch
            In the country where you live cattle, believe me no less :)

            Judging by the shares in defense of Navalny and other marsh marches, not very much. The revolution, fed up for the sake of redistributing incomes at the top, does not even smell like ours.

            And you, apparently, are precisely for this and advocate. Do you think something will break off? So the Libyan thought so.
            1. Gooch
              Gooch 21 July 2013 11: 05
              -1
              Quote: Spade
              Judging by the shares in defense of Navalny and other marsh marches, not very much. The revolution, fed up for the sake of redistributing incomes at the top, does not even smell like ours.
              And you, apparently, are precisely for this and advocate. Do you think something will break off? So the Libyan thought so.

              You are mistaken, I’m just for both, I live far away from the capital of this country, so that something breaks off, from there) just the Libyans, Egyptians, Tunisians have reasons and strength to overthrow the dictatorship, and live freely, but in Russia for a kilogram of sugar you can buy the confidence of the people, which is what the current elite is doing, what kind of people, and such leadership.
              1. Lopatov
                Lopatov 21 July 2013 11: 34
                +3
                Quote: Gooch
                just the Libyans, Egyptians, Tunisians have reasons and strength to overthrow the dictatorship, and live freely

                Something you all mixed in a bunch. It seems to be completely off topic.
                Egypt is a revolution of the hungry. Everything there is according to the mind, according to the precepts of the classics of Marxism-Leninism. Libya- "revolution" of the well-fed. In order to redistribute income from hydrocarbons.

                Liberty? Imagine that a "democratic leader" or a group of such leaders takes power in Russia through a military coup. And one fine day a column of cars with guys in civilian clothes and with machine guns arrives in your city. And these gallant fighters for the swaboda begin to kick out the inhabitants of your city from their homes, robbing, raping and killing at the same time. All of you survivors are driven out of the outskirts and you are told: "for supporting the bloody regime, your city is declared non-existent."
                Do you like this "freedom"? Do you want to get it after the Libyans? And what is most characteristic is that those who used to stigmatize the "bloody Putin regime" both in the country and abroad will tolerately call what happened to you "an insignificant excess on the way to freedom and democracy.
            2. plantagenet
              plantagenet 21 July 2013 11: 34
              0
              In the 17th year, no one believed in the revolution.
              1. Lopatov
                Lopatov 21 July 2013 11: 44
                +2
                Yah? They still believed. And in 1905 they also believed. Do not confuse normal revolutions and "fur coat revolutions"
                1. Rider
                  Rider 21 July 2013 14: 51
                  +3
                  Quote: Spade
                  do not confuse normal revolutions and "fur coat revolutions"


                  aptly said.

                  in the quote box.

                  shake your hand.
  • aviator_IAS
    aviator_IAS 20 July 2013 19: 26
    +2
    Quote: Gooch
    Life goes on as it has chosen such a topic, so it’s necessary, you can talk about the Libyans for thousands of kilometers, you can understand them too, and without Gaddafi they live, freely, time will pass by to catch up


    It is very naive to think so. This is not why such porridge was brewed. Lovers of free oil simply DO NOT GIVE. It is beneficial for the West to maintain permanent chaos in the country. In the current situation, this is easy. How "they live freely and catch up" can be seen on the example of Iraq.
    1. Thunderbolt
      Thunderbolt 20 July 2013 21: 13
      +4
      Quote: Beck
      In Libya, NATO bases will stand. There is nothing of this.
      LONDON, July 2. / ITAR-TASS /. Hundreds of British troops will soon be deployed to North Africa to train the Libyan army, the UK Department of Defense said. In London, the British Daily Mail noted that they fear Libya will quickly become a haven for Islamic fanatics after the fall of the Muammar regime there. Gaddafi, in the fall of 2011. The British 4th Infantry Brigade is already determined to complete this training mission, which will paid by the Libyans.The plans for sending a large army unit to North Africa, local commentators have explained, are triggered by growing concerns in Cameron’s government that Libya could soon become an incompetent state due to Al-Qaeda’s growing influence there. In addition, after the fall of the Gaddafi regime, as the media recall, in Libya, "lost" up to 3 thousand air-to-air missiles and about a million tons of various weapons. According to some experts, this country has become a kind of “arms store” for extremists from around the world. “Libya is an extremely unstable state, flooded with weapons and supporters of al-Qaeda,” said a senior British army officer on condition of anonymity.
      1. Beck
        Beck 21 July 2013 08: 40
        -3
        Quote: Thunderbolt
        Hundreds of British troops will soon be deployed to North Africa to train the Libyan army, the UK Department of Defense said.


        So for training, not for building bases. At one time, German pilots studied in the USSR. And why did heaven fall to earth, or what?

        They will train and leave.
        1. Thunderbolt
          Thunderbolt 21 July 2013 18: 17
          0
          And also 300 American Marines settled in the Plaza hotel center in the resort town "D". And no one knows what they are doing there, all around the signs prohibiting entry to this center. And in the news there is silence about this. But this is so, a trifle. Since the United States declares the whole world to be the zone of its interests, then the Marines can settle anywhere, as long as it goes to the benefit of "democracy", isn't it good As for Libya, I have some thoughts. Now the production of hydrocarbons in this young democracy has dropped to a 30-year minimum. And Europe's need for gas and oil is covered by Qatar. It is not for nothing that Qatar has been so active in helping the "rebels" bully In a word, whatever happens, but ExxonMobil "Qatar" on a white horse wassat ZY So when are democratic transformations expected in Qatar? And after all, how convenient it is for the Americans, there is no need to go anywhere. There is an American military base right on the Qatari gas field. So there "the upper classes cannot or the lower classes do not want to." revolution as always will be Al Jazeera, which the emirs themselves, with the participation of the CIA, created? So when the speech bully Didn’t you get tired of the previous picture? Here’s a new one (the recipe is the same --- meditate for 3 hours a day)))
  • antidote
    antidote 21 July 2013 11: 51
    +3
    Everything is correct. Absolutely right. Somalia is developing very well. And Tunisia too. But tourists obviously didn’t return to Tunisia, but they lived off tourism. And Egypt will show a fabulous economic growth in the last year. In general, a fabulous postulate - where everything is destroyed, there will soon begin a tremendous rise
  • MIKHAN
    MIKHAN 20 July 2013 07: 48
    +9
    Quote: Alexej
    Quote: Gooch
    time will catch up yet lost

    Well. And then they will again be thrown back, and again it will be necessary to catch up. Beauty and nothing more.

    In soon the main part of the population will switch to subsistence farming .. illiteracy is savagery .. Afghans (even the Mujahideen) often remember us, we tried to build hospital schools, etc. ..
  • pinecone
    pinecone 20 July 2013 08: 07
    17
    Bad Qaddafi, paintball banned. Now you can. Happiness is what!
    1. fzr1000
      fzr1000 20 July 2013 19: 48
      +3
      Combat ...
    2. Alex Nick
      Alex Nick 20 July 2013 22: 20
      +2
      And no one remembers the fact that there was almost communism there. How is the standard of living there now? Probably everything is "OK" too
  • borisjdin1957
    borisjdin1957 20 July 2013 09: 51
    +5
    from the Don.
    Libya is the country that hit. Fell on unemployment, on poverty, on ethnic clashes, on the sale of cheap national wealth. And it’s not yet evening! For Amers and gay Europeans, Libya is the opportunity to supply arms there, pumping oil. Well, certainly a headache for many years !!!
  • mejik
    mejik 20 July 2013 10: 16
    +4
    Peaceful member of the new Libyan security forces. With a rifle and a rose. Benghazi, 16
    February 2013

    Actually, this is not a member, but a woman, and not with a rifle, but with AK. :-)
  • pinecone
    pinecone 20 July 2013 11: 17
    +9
    Open propaganda of the results of "democratic transformations" in Libya after the devastating intervention of Britain and France. All photos were taken by order of the news agencies Reuters and France Presse. Placed on the topwar portal by enemy agents.
  • KG_patriot_last
    KG_patriot_last 20 July 2013 11: 29
    +7
    What do they burn candles and draw the sun, is not all Muslim, where is their Halefot?

    And in general 25 thousand people killed and burned the whole city, and then the west boasts "WOW, we won" ... ok right?
  • Kashchei
    Kashchei 20 July 2013 11: 55
    10
    Celebration on graves and conflagrations .... here too, only after 20 years did we begin to understand what was going on .... whether when EBN we were promised the golden mountains But we were also shown happy sausage regiments visiting nativity scenes with fireworks and rallies for freedom
    1. Andrey Skokovsky
      Andrey Skokovsky 20 July 2013 15: 28
      +5
      Quote: Kaschey
      Celebration on graves and conflagrations .... here too, only after 20 years did we begin to understand what was going on .... whether when EBN we were promised the golden mountains But we were also shown happy sausage regiments visiting nativity scenes with fireworks and rallies for freedom


      there is no holiday there, otherwise there would be no rallies
      just shot by europeans for european zombie
      I am more than sure that it will be a couple of orders of magnitude easier to shoot a program titled "hellish life in Libya after the victory of democracy".
  • Grbear
    Grbear 20 July 2013 13: 29
    +3
    What are these scenes from life !?
    The tonality of the photo is almost good here, well, sometimes something explodes on its own and a person with a gun in the beach look.

    The realization that Libya has lost will come later, when the West says: "It's time to give loans!", And the money has already gone to grub. The oil industry has been thrown back for thirty years, of which 25 years are active and progressive development. Who will allow them to repeat this?

    Two years is not a deadline, the people still have a nest egg, but it eats up faster than it accumulates. Sadly, but they have everything ahead.
  • Avenger711
    Avenger711 20 July 2013 15: 10
    +3
    A typical occupied country in which amusement parks are built in order to at least somehow break away from reality.
    1. smile
      smile 20 July 2013 19: 29
      +4
      Avenger711
      Reminds me of a selection of photographs with which the Nazis tried to convince the people of the occupied countries not to push and not to forcibly send them to work in Germany.
  • Des10
    Des10 20 July 2013 15: 12
    +5
    Photos are colorful and custom-made, but with these paintballs and fireworks - clumsy agitation for the mentally retarded.
    AND : Ruined villa of the former Libyan dictator Muammar Gaddafi near the airport of Timbuktu, January 30, 2013., well, where is the villa there, - a shack ... Brakodely.
    Reporting - minus for superficiality and bias.
  • Andrey Peter
    Andrey Peter 20 July 2013 15: 38
    +7
    I think there are already many regretted that they overthrew Gaddafi. He is the only one who could hold the whole country in his hands.
  • Andrey Peter
    Andrey Peter 20 July 2013 15: 40
    0
    I think there are already many regretted that they overthrew Gaddafi. He is the only one who could hold the whole country in his hands.
  • vlad_krimean
    vlad_krimean 20 July 2013 15: 47
    +7
    Time will put everything in its place. The blessed memory of Gaddafi.
  • REZMovec
    REZMovec 20 July 2013 16: 00
    +3
    And where admins look ??? Enemy propaganda on your favorite site !!!
    1. smile
      smile 20 July 2013 19: 34
      +2
      REZMovec
      Guard!!!! VO admins enlisted in American shpiguny! For a bowl of borsch !!! :)))))
      Come on, in my opinion, it’s sometimes worth putting here the point of view of our potential friends, it’s more interesting. :)))
    2. Beck
      Beck 21 July 2013 08: 35
      0
      Quote: REZMovec
      And where admins look ??? Enemy propaganda on your favorite site !!!


      And it would not be boring on the site if everyone unanimously speaks the same thing right down to the comma. It’s the same as having only semolina porridge since childhood.

      And so there is where to throw out your emotions, there is someone to popohabit, there is someone to put down cons, there is someone to stigmatize. A variety of life you understand.
  • Odysseus
    Odysseus 20 July 2013 16: 41
    +7
    The real news from Libya looks completely different. For example, like this:
    LONDON, June 27. / Corr. ITAR-TASS Vladimir Kalinin. At least ten people became victims of clashes between warring factions of former revolutionaries in Libya, and more than 100 were injured. This was announced by the Prime Minister. According to Reuters, at present in the Libyan capital Tripoli, machine gun bursts and explosions are heard. Against the backdrop of ongoing violence in the republic, Minister of Defense Mohammed al-Bargati has lost his post today. With his resignation, the government actually signed in its own powerlessness to reconcile members of the former revolutionary brigades, who do not submit to the central authorities and continue to sort things out with each other using the weapons that have remained since the civil war.
  • poquello
    poquello 20 July 2013 17: 24
    +6
    Awareness of what has been done wrong after comes, maybe in years. Now the Libyans justify everything with hope for the future, and the future will come with a good cookie, and here the theme will return. They will already forget about the puppeteers, but without them there would not be all this blood.
  • sigizmund472
    sigizmund472 20 July 2013 17: 33
    +6
    The article is a fat minus !!! I don’t want to somehow make people happy with the permission of paintball.
    1. aviator_IAS
      aviator_IAS 20 July 2013 20: 15
      +3
      Quote: sigizmund472
      The article is a fat minus !!! I don’t want to somehow make people happy with the permission of paintball.


      And how many paintball "guns" they have there in comparison with the number of Kalashnikovs from plundered army warehouses. They now have more popular another paintball, with combat weapons.
  • waisson
    waisson 20 July 2013 19: 50
    +3
    there was a man was a state everyone probably knows what benefits they lived wanted American democracy, please now only dream of the old living in poverty but in American democracy that wreaks havoc and contention but in no case peace and prosperity
  • bubla5
    bubla5 20 July 2013 20: 17
    +3
    I am surprised that in order to live well, it is necessary to destroy everything under the guise of fighting the dictatorship, to bring out a whole nation of fellow Muslims, since Shiites and Sunites are completely baited, again attract European and Amer concerns for oil and gas production, I think baiting will result already nations. For reference, almost all of Africa and South Asia, dictatorial regimes or governance are by no means democratic, but for some reason they only blaze where there are minerals, oil, gas, etc.
  • Naval
    Naval 20 July 2013 20: 30
    +3
    Looking for prosperity? Invite the NATO armed forces to the bombing and you will be happy!
    NATO - you care about us !!!
  • Committee
    Committee 20 July 2013 20: 56
    +1
    Everything is disgusting. Break the country for the sake of paintball ?!
  • azov
    azov 20 July 2013 21: 45
    +4
    even then live recently
    from the magazine "Crocodile"
  • RUS-36
    RUS-36 20 July 2013 21: 59
    +2
    The author simply did not understand why the amers merged Libya and Gaddafi, a freebie is the meaning of the life of amers, to ruin the country, introduce its own rules and download a freebie for yourself quickly, until the stupid people come to their senses ...
  • MIKHAN
    MIKHAN 20 July 2013 22: 08
    +3
    Sadness of course .. only to be honest the Libyans themselves chose this path Gaddafi killed brutally .. let them now enjoy freedom .. while their country is being plundered .. Iraq is the same .. etc.
    1. wax
      wax 21 July 2013 20: 13
      0
      The saddest thing is that "this path" was chosen not by the Libyans, but for the Libyans.
  • Vokk
    Vokk 20 July 2013 22: 35
    +4
    We forgot this photo in the article ...

  • MIKHAN
    MIKHAN 20 July 2013 22: 36
    +3
    For the second year the Syrians have stood to their death against all the world's evil spirits .. They just know what awaits them in the event of the victory of "democracy" .. Russia helps as it can ..
  • RoTTor
    RoTTor 20 July 2013 22: 47
    +4
    Libyans two years ago, as we did in 1991, clearly did not understand what they were doing and what it would lead to. However, I’m in correspondence with the Libyan, a graduate of the special department (for foreigners) of my Higher Education Institution, already a colonel. He remained to serve in the Air Force and under the current regime, and now looks cheerful. This can not be said about 90% of the Libyans, who only now understood how they lived under Gaddafi. We all laughed at Leonid Ilyich and only now realized that the best life and its real annual improvements were with him for a year until 1976, while for health reasons he could control the situation and did not succumb to the lies and henchmen of the henchmen.
  • bear
    bear 20 July 2013 22: 58
    +1
    A country such as Libya is no longer there is territory. And you can take any pictures on photographs depending on what you want to show.
  • Fetel
    Fetel 21 July 2013 00: 36
    +1
    Blessed memory to the Colonel ... He lived for his country, and died for his country.
  • gleb49
    gleb49 21 July 2013 01: 42
    +2
    The people lived under communism. The people wanted to live better. The golden fish was offended. Propaganda in our time can create everything with the help of the Internet. Our Internet is 100% anti-Russian. Yesterday I accidentally heard the radio station "VOICE OF RUSSIA". Here I advertise, our radio station is Russian.
  • Coward
    Coward 21 July 2013 09: 58
    +2
    Just watched the film "Election Day" again, and unwittingly drew attention to the episode where they listen to the conversation between Putin and the US President, which is about Libya. How could you "predict" that way? 2007 film.
  • creak
    creak 21 July 2013 10: 37
    +1
    Judging by some comments, a monarchy, a dictatorship is an obsolete form of government ... It does not seem that the population of the Scandinavian countries was dissatisfied with their monarchs ... But these are countries with a quite mature democratic system ... And as for other regions, Afghanistan developed as a completely stable state under King M. Zahir Shah, who carried out a number of democratic reforms. But byd were overthrown by Daoud and away we go ... And now what is Afghanistan like? Maybe many people don’t remember, but Somalia, under the announcer Siad Barre, was a strong developing state, and now it has become a symbol of lawlessness and tribal hatred ... Examples can be further expanded ... G.A. Nasser was a dictator in whom both Muslim brothers and communists sat prisons, and he was very popular. What is happening in this country can be seen in the news. In many countries of the Middle East there are so many religious and social contradictions that often you can’t do without a strong hand. You must take into account the mentality of the population and centuries-old traditions, which are often defining ... I once had a chance to be in the Middle East for several years, so I have my own opinion about the problem based on my personal experience. But in general this topic is so huge and multifaceted that it’s not enough to cover one comment ...
  • Dronza
    Dronza 21 July 2013 13: 01
    +2
    Yeahhh, the country was beautiful :(
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  • elenagromova
    elenagromova 21 July 2013 14: 06
    +5
    Insanely sorry for the country, sorry for seeing her under these rat ominous flags .... Where the Green Banner of the Jamahiriya once flew - the color of spring, paradise and happiness ....
    Where there were portraits of a beautiful and courageous Leader - now it is not clear that they draw ..
    And, as a reminder of the essence of "democracy" - the ghost town of Taverga, destroyed by rats, wiped off the face of the earth ...
    Lost heaven...
  • individual
    individual 21 July 2013 18: 21
    +1
    For the sake of a hole in the earth with oil, a flowering country was destroyed,
    opposed to each other the Libyan people.
  • individual
    individual 21 July 2013 19: 16
    +1
    In Libya, there was one Muammar Gaddafi - a leader leading a prosperous country.
    Now there are many dictators who do not recognize each other and there is an endless war of all against all.
  • APASUS
    APASUS 21 July 2013 22: 33
    +1
    A gift for the Libyan army - Italian Puma light armored personnel carriers, Tripoli, 6 February 2013. (Photo by Reuters | Ismail Zitouny):

    Such a symbolic gesture!
    To the country where the ruins have become a familiar landscape - give armored personnel carriers!
    Do you understand benefactors !?
  • d_trader
    d_trader 21 July 2013 22: 49
    +1
    Libya - Dancing on the bones ...
  • Terrible ensign
    Terrible ensign 22 July 2013 13: 13
    0
    Arabs, such Arabs ...
    "What was, will be ..."
  • uyrii67
    uyrii67 22 September 2013 11: 03
    0
    By the way, how many people died in Iraq from the actions of the s and their mattresses? And how much for the entire reign of Saddam? By the way, how many Christians are left there, but herr bey?