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Why Ukraine needs to join the Customs Union

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Why Ukraine needs to join the Customs Union

This was told by the authors of the analytical report “Economic assessment of the prospects for Ukraine’s entry into the Customs Union on the example of the industrial sector of the Kharkiv region economy” at a press conference held in Kharkiv news agency Status quo on July 16.


In fact, it was a presentation of a research publication of the same name, which was offered free of charge to analysts, political scientists, and journalists present. Those who wished were carried away by several copies to share with colleagues.

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The analytical work was prepared by the joint efforts of scientists of the North-Eastern Scientific Center of the National Academy of Sciences and the Ministry of Education and Science of Ukraine and the National Research University "Belgorod State University". Published under the scientific editorship of Doctor of Economic Sciences, Professor P. T. Bubenko, in Belgorod - the center of interregional cross-border cooperation.


P. Bubenko, V. Zakharov and A. Aleksandrovsky (left to right) at the presentation


The publication was represented by Pavel Bubenko, Director of the North-Eastern Scientific Center of the National Academy of Sciences and the Ministry of Education and Science of Ukraine, and Acting Director of the Institute of State and Municipal Administration of BelSU Victor Zakharov. The third "hero of the occasion" at the press conference was Alexander Alexandrovsky, president of the newly created Interregional Employment Assistance Fund.

In the presented collective work, sociological and economic aspects of integration projects, in particular the Customs Union, their influence on the development of border regions are considered.

The authors argue that the materials of the monograph can be used in the work of state and municipal servants, employees of diplomatic services, scientists, economists, managers at various levels and anyone interested in the integration of the post-Soviet space and the development of border regions. In the course of the conversation, which took place after the presentation, it was still unclear whether the conclusions of this expert group would fall into the hands of those who make government decisions in Ukraine and how the monograph will get to those interested in the actual problem of Ukraine’s joining the CU.

* * *

It is worth noting the context in which the monograph was presented. As you know, at the end of May, the Presidents of Belarus, Kazakhstan, Russia and Ukraine adopted a “Statement on Ukraine’s participation in the Eurasian integration process” in Astana, and a “Memorandum on deepening cooperation between Ukraine and the Eurasian Economic Commission” was signed in Minsk. The Customs Union made an intelligible step of friendship towards the ever-wavering leadership of Ukraine.

One cannot ignore one distinct voice that was voiced at the recent St. Petersburg International Economic Forum. Valeriy Muntiyan, the government authorized representative of Ukraine for cooperation with the Russian Federation, CIS member states, EurAsEC, a well-known economist who prepared detailed analytical notes to the government of Ukraine on the issue of joining the CU, metaphorically and emotionally stated: "... invitation of Ukraine to the Zone free trade with the European Union on such terms, without participation in the Customs Union and the CES, in my opinion, this is an invitation to “Titanic”. ”

* * *

At the Kharkiv press conference, the assessments were not so emotional, but all three main speakers agreed that the figures convincingly testify to the direct economic benefits of Ukraine joining the CU.

Opening the meeting, Viktor Zakharov noted that the Ukrainian-Russian border undoubtedly imposes an imprint both on relations in the border region and on relations of the states as a whole. The border is an obstacle to communication, interpenetration, mutual enrichment and growth. Therefore, one should either simplify the border crossing procedures, or abolish the border altogether - to eliminate obstacles.

The absolute majority of the inhabitants of the frontier region on both sides, according to statistics provided in the monograph, are in favor of speeding up the integration processes. The interstate rapprochement between Russia and Ukraine is positively attributed to 91% of the respondents from the Belgorod and Kharkov regions (the number of respondents from the regions in the opinion poll was equal). At the same time, 30,6% of respondents noted that integration will contribute to the development of the economy, 25,8% - that it corresponds to the general trend of world development, 21,4% - that this corresponds to our traditions. V. Zakharov stressed that the studies carried out confirm the need to intensify the economic cooperation between Ukraine and Russia, and the TS integration model allows this.

Citizens see business structures, authorities, parties and social movements as subjects of integration actions. Integration is undoubtedly the trend of the day, which allows to improve the living conditions of both an individual and the region as a whole.

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One of the authors of the monograph from the Ukrainian side, Corresponding Member of the Academy of Economic Sciences of Ukraine, P. Bubenko, stressed that the research was convincing: in the framework of the Customs Union, the Kharkiv region, in the first place, will have more weighty advantages than when Ukraine joins the European Union. The task of the research carried out, according to the scientist, is to show, with an example of, say, the Kharkiv region (and already started research in the Lugansk and Donetsk regions), a clear benefit from Ukraine’s accession to the CU. But even at the macro level, the figures show that today Ukraine pays Russia about gas about 9 billion dollars annually for Russia, and this significantly affects the trade balance, which is so far negative. In the case of entering the CU, gas can be sold to Ukraine, for example, at domestic prices, and this will immediately lead to a jump in the efficiency of the Ukrainian economy.

This conclusion was made by the group of P. Bubenko, based on the forecast of the development of Kharkiv region according to the model of orientation to the average annual growth rate of the gross regional product and the projected rates of foreign trade turnover of the CU and EU countries.

In addition, according to the Kiev researcher, the actual accession to the EU is very vague, illusory looms only in an unknown perspective, and economic development in an independent mode, that is, without a reliable strategy of economic integration, has rather limited opportunities and significant risks.

P. Bubenko cited the calculations according to which Ukraine within the structure of the Customs Union will receive a GDP growth almost X times more than when joining the EU. In particular, in the Kharkiv region within the CU, the gross regional product by 2 will increase by 2017%! Exports to the CU countries of machine-building products, which are the main export component of the production complex of the Kharkiv region, may exceed 46 billion dollars by this period, with their share in total trade turnover increasing to 1,5%.


Leafing through a new monograph


“The Kharkiv region, not being among the leaders in terms of foreign economic activity, significantly benefits in terms of the quality component of the structure of exports and imports - precisely due to engineering products, due to the production and marketing of technical goods. As the leader of Ukrainian engineering and as a border region, the Kharkiv region has real prospects for deepening cooperation and trade with Russia and other countries of the CU on mutually beneficial economic and innovative conditions, ”the analyst believes.

* * *

A. Aleksandrovsky, the head of the newly established foundation, noted that his organization would be involved in popularizing the results of this analysis and explain to the population the obvious advantages of Ukraine’s integration into the CU.

It was noted that, in general, the level of argumentation for Ukraine’s accession to the CU is very high and invariably exceeds the level of argumentation of supporters of EU membership, including experts from various foundations created, for example, under certain presidents of Ukraine. But there is a further planned movement of the Ukrainian authorities towards the EU.

A. Aleksandrovsky, speaking of labor force and migration, recalled that in the countries of the Customs Union the citizens of Ukraine work mainly as highly qualified employees, they are in demand as engineers, builders, technologists, etc., whereas in the EU Ukrainians are seen mainly as attendants, often inferior.

“We have a choice,” A. Aleksandrovsky noted, “either we will become equal participants in a large, creative, supranational project and process, or we will be“ very carefully and efficiently ”sweeping the hallway in the European Union.” The co-rapporteur also stressed that his foundation intends to conduct active educational activities among citizens - about the obvious advantages of Ukraine joining the CU.

* * *

Answering the questions that followed, P. Bubenko said that this study was initiated by the Russian side, but Ukrainian scientists found it important and necessary to take part in it.

A consensus was immediately reached between the presenting monograph and the listening audience that econic arguments did not exhaust the palette of conviction and that without the willful fate of the authorities, state structures of Ukraine, and without politicians, integration processes are hardly possible.

Moreover, according to experts, people make choices, as a rule, emotionally, mentally, and not rationally.

* * *

Kharkiv’s Anatoly Kutnik, a writer, formulated two important points in his speech.


Says A. Kutnik


The first. In the conditions of the marginalization of Ukrainian society, that is, the fall of the educational level and the sharp impoverishment of the population, it is necessary to increase educational activities (hereinafter highlighted by me - Auth.). That is, today there is a need to improve the educational level of the population, otherwise - any intellectual appeals with arguments for joining the CU will be in vain and will become a kind of beads, thrown to nowhere.

The second. A. Kutnik proposed an interesting and relevant, in our opinion, formula - “coercion to friendship”. Bearing in mind that in the current situation, there is no longer enough internal resources (we assume mental, volitional, intellectual, political, power) to start a coherent process of integrating Ukraine into the CU, and, therefore, an external intelligible message is needed. It turns out that the current increasingly marginalized citizen of Ukraine should be “forced into friendship with Russia”. Today, two approaches to the situation in the new mentality are obvious, says the writer Kutnik: some citizens have an understanding that the unity within the Customs Union is about joint creation, others have a desire to get into the EU to “snatch” more.

* * *

An employee of the Kharkov Slavic University, A. Samoilov, drew the attention of the authors of the monograph, that one analyst, some economic assessments, did not “move the deadlock”. He received explanations from Mr. Bubenko: today, the Government of Ukraine has an order for academic specialized institutions to quickly prepare analytical notes on the problems of Ukraine’s integration into the EU and the CU. Which indicates, in the opinion of the scientist, the presence of the direct interest of the authorities in clarifying the situation.

Candidate of Sociological Sciences, Associate Professor V. Zakharov noted that the path to integration is “a two-way road”. The center at BelGu signed an agreement with Rossotrudnichestvo about similar studies, that is, this work will be carried out and monitored at the state level.

From myself, we add: it is strange that this is being done now, and where did the Ukrainian government look before? After all, the analytical work in this direction of the same governmental expert group V. Muntiyan is known, and its conclusions are also known.

What else will push the Ukrainian "pushing and pushing" towards Russia and the Customs Union?
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  1. Canep
    Canep 20 July 2013 06: 01 New
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    The scientific and economic rationale for Ukraine’s entry into the CU is certainly good, but will the Ukrainian leadership read it? I think in Vilnius will be signed the entry of Ukraine into the EU free trade zone. And the trade and gas war between Ukraine and Russia will begin.
    1. Alexei
      Alexei 20 July 2013 06: 10 New
      14
      Quote: Canep
      but will the leadership of Ukraine read it?

      Sometimes I get the impression that this guide doesn’t know how to read, and thinks once, and then when Western partners allow it.
      1. Vovka levka
        Vovka levka 20 July 2013 06: 15 New
        -2
        Quote: Alexej
        Quote: Canep
        but will the leadership of Ukraine read it?

        Sometimes I get the impression that this guide doesn’t know how to read, and thinks once, and then when Western partners allow it.

        The president and parliament are the ones that Russia wanted in 2004, and relations are worse than they were under the “orange” ones.
        Paradox?
        1. Ruslan67
          Ruslan67 20 July 2013 06: 55 New
          34
          Quote: Vovka Levka
          Paradox?

          Don’t rotate your elite - you’ll hide fat alone wassat
          1. Vovka levka
            Vovka levka 20 July 2013 07: 38 New
            28
            Quote: Ruslan67
            Quote: Vovka Levka
            Paradox?

            Don’t rotate your elite - you’ll hide fat alone wassat

            Where do you see the elite?
            1. Ruslan67
              Ruslan67 20 July 2013 07: 43 New
              +6
              Quote: Vovka Levka
              Where do you see the elite?

              Do you have in power that one thing is flourishing ?:
              1. kris
                kris 20 July 2013 10: 51 New
                0
                Quote: Ruslan67
                Do you have in power that one thing is flourishing ?:

                in Russia the same thing!
                1. Alexander Romanov
                  Alexander Romanov 20 July 2013 11: 03 New
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                  Quote: kris
                  in Russia the same thing!

                  At least in our State Duma, they have not beaten each other’s faces for a long time. This show is left only in Ukraine.
                  1. Nicholas C.
                    Nicholas C. 20 July 2013 14: 25 New
                    14
                    In Ukraine, without a vehicle it turns out somehow like this:
                    1. Semen Semyonitch
                      Semen Semyonitch 20 July 2013 14: 52 New
                      -5
                      Quote: Nikolay S.
                      In Ukraine, without a vehicle it turns out somehow like this:

                      Exactly the same picture can be seen in any Russian city ...
                      1. Nicholas C.
                        Nicholas C. 20 July 2013 15: 08 New
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                        You are there in Ukraine, you can say anything to each other Svidomo, they say, in Russia it is good only in Moscow and in St. Petersburg. Only my small homeland on the border with Ukraine, and I see what a monstrous difference has become with Ukraine, how Ukraine fell into the abomination of desolation. And under the USSR, bordering Ukrainian cities looked much richer than ours.
                      2. Semen Semyonitch
                        Semen Semyonitch 21 July 2013 00: 47 New
                        +2
                        Quote: Nikolay S.
                        You are there in Ukraine, you can say anything to each other Svidomo, they say, in Russia it is good only in Moscow and in St. Petersburg. Only my small homeland on the border with Ukraine, and I see what a monstrous difference has become with Ukraine, how Ukraine fell into the abomination of desolation. And under the USSR, bordering Ukrainian cities looked much richer than ours.

                        I don’t argue about where the level of well-being is higher. I ascertain the fact. And the minus-owners seem to live on Rublevka)))
                    2. kush62
                      kush62 20 July 2013 17: 03 New
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                      Semen Semenych:
                      Exactly the same picture can be seen in any Russian city ...

                      No, dear. We have more trash
                2. kris
                  kris 20 July 2013 21: 58 New
                  +2
                  Quote: Alexander Romanov
                  At least in our State Duma, they have not beaten each other’s faces for a long time. This show is left only in Ukraine.

                  we have a bigger budget. oil and gas however.
                  all deputies have enough. and uniformity and the rest of the circus performers!
                  and in stealing money for all is not enough. here and beat each other.
              2. velikoros-xnumx
                velikoros-xnumx 20 July 2013 11: 44 New
                10
                The same and not the same. Of course there is wisdom, but there are also a lot of worthy people - Rogozin, Shoigu, Lavrov and others. I think no one will say that they are traitors and bastards.
            2. Alexander Romanov
              Alexander Romanov 20 July 2013 11: 02 New
              0
              Quote: Ruslan67
              Do you have in power that one thing is flourishing ?:

              Ruslan, where did you see people there laughing
              1. Genry
                Genry 20 July 2013 16: 26 New
                +2
                Posing oneself above other people is the cattle complex.
                1. Alexander Romanov
                  Alexander Romanov 20 July 2013 16: 43 New
                  +1
                  Quote: Genry
                  Posing oneself above other people is the cattle complex.

                  Excuse me, but aren't officials placing themselves above people (their own voters)?
                2. I am a Russian
                  I am a Russian 22 July 2013 15: 42 New
                  0
                  Quote: Genry
                  Posing oneself above other people is the cattle complex.


                  Are you about happy?
            3. does it
              does it 20 July 2013 13: 18 New
              +1
              Quote: Ruslan67
              Do you have in power that one thing is flourishing ?:

              : this word is of Polish origin, means "livestock". As applied to people, it means a limp and submissive herd, slaves. The landowners used to call peasants. it is not a vocabulary or manner of behavior in society. it is a value system. For cattle, it is important that someone from above command it, and fully and dutifully carry out these commands. denies personality in all its manifestations. And above all, traits such as freedom, property and dignity. First of all, freedom is denied. The worst thing for cattle is to lose their master, and gain freedom. Because it cannot live in freedom, it cannot earn money on its own, it is afraid to take responsibility for its own life, but strive to shift it to the owner. Any cattle worker who denies liberal values ​​can be called cattle. At the same time, his social status, upbringing, education, income level, etc. do not matter. For example: I get 40K at my warehouse.
              1. Misantrop
                Misantrop 20 July 2013 15: 15 New
                +8
                Quote: kvirit
                Cattle can be called any hired worker who denies liberal values.
                Bullshit, sorry. Exactly liberal values and produce what is usually classified as "b ... o" (filter does not pass, also liberal laughing ) For a priori imprisoned for the education of a stupid loner, preoccupied only by himself. Those. a priori incapable of becoming a LEADER
            4. Muxalet
              Muxalet 20 July 2013 14: 06 New
              +3
              And how did you guess that? .. Although it’s hard to call him cattle, most likely IT considers us cattle
            5. georg737577
              georg737577 20 July 2013 14: 10 New
              +1
              Yes, alas, that’s exactly ...
          2. AVV
            AVV 20 July 2013 13: 36 New
            +3
            Until the people at the elections say their weighty words, everything will continue this way !!! Only it’s not enough to choose the one who promised the golden mountains before the elections, you have to ask him why he is not responsible for his words !!! Yanukovych - here and you’ll be an example! The elite will always look west, to hell with the people in general !!!
          3. Misantrop
            Misantrop 20 July 2013 15: 12 New
            +7
            Quote: Vovka Levka
            Where do you see the elite?

            "What is a power - such is its elite" Note, did NOT write ANYTHING about the population, these are non-intersecting planes request
        2. Captain Vrungel
          Captain Vrungel 20 July 2013 07: 50 New
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          In fact, Ukraine is owned by five families. The remaining billionaires, this is a small fry. They can’t find consensus yet. In the CU or the EU. Yanukovych throws like a sliver into a storm, from one coast to another. He does not decide. "A family".
          Putin understood that. Look, before Yanukovych came to the Kremlin as president and there was a meeting for several hours. Now, Putin accepts as a prostitute, in the country and for an hour.
          And in general, how can you believe the criminals. They "throw a sucker is not for bastards."
          Feeling their demise in 2015, and maybe earlier, they broke loose. Between themselves a bickering suit. In Odessa we have a pocket PR prosecutor’s office yelling to the mayor from PR, stop, stop stealing. And he spits and continues to sell land and objects in prestigious areas. The honorary thief and chief lawyer Kivalov entered into a bloody war with the bandit comrade Markov (blessed by the Moscow Patriarchate) for valuable land in Arcadia.
          What is the customs union, what is the European Union. Robbery is not robbed. Enraged.
          1. Ruslan67
            Ruslan67 20 July 2013 08: 07 New
            +3
            Quote: Captain Vrungel
            Putin accepts as a prostitute, in the country and for an hour.

            Well, I think her tongue he would take longer what with orientation he's fine good
            Quote: Captain Vrungel
            They "throw a sucker is not for bastards."

            That sucker and throw wassat
            Quote: Captain Vrungel
            What is the customs union, what is the European Union. Robbery is not robbed. Enraged.

            Seriously, sadly, guys, and even without comment. When will you even wake up with an analog of our marsh? what
            1. Misantrop
              Misantrop 20 July 2013 14: 15 New
              +5
              Quote: Ruslan67
              When will you even wake up with an analogue of our marsh?

              Where does the Swamp in the swamp come from? It's funnier than "butter" laughing
          2. Alexander Romanov
            Alexander Romanov 20 July 2013 11: 05 New
            +4
            Quote: Captain Vrungel
            Putin accepts as a prostitute, in the country and for an hour.

            As a person behaves, so they accept him hi
          3. Ascetic
            Ascetic 20 July 2013 20: 29 New
            10
            Quote: Captain Vrungel
            In fact, Ukraine is owned by five families. The remaining billionaires, this is a small fry. They can’t find consensus yet. In the CU or the EU. Yanukovych throws like a sliver into a storm, from one coast to another. He does not decide. "A family".


            I’m looking at it lately there have been timid conversations about creating a certain confederation on the territory of an independent one (the government of the country began to actively talk about the need to create 5-7 large territorial and economic associations to replace the existing 27 regions). Apparently, Yanukovych will sign an agreement with the EU on the FTZ at the November Eastern Partnership Summit in Vilnius. It is clear that the almost free access of European products to Ukraine will lead to a wave of ruin for Ukrainian producers, as they simply can not compete with imported products. The Ukrainian authorities almost openly say that they want to compensate for these negative consequences by increasing exports within the framework of the CIS free trade zone, but these hopes are, to put it mildly, naive, since judging by everything, Putin has finally decided on a “tough policy” on the principle of morning chairs ( in TS) and in the evening pies (in the form of bonuses).
            Sergei Glazyev, Advisor to the President of the Russian Federation and one of the founders of the EurAsEC Customs Union, has repeatedly brought to the Ukrainian leadership that in the event Kiev establishes a free trade zone with the EU, Moscow will be forced to take protective measures against Ukrainian products. The closure of the Russian market threatens a collapse of the entire Ukrainian industry, primarily engineering, or rather its remnants.
            In fact, for acquiring a certain mythical status of a "country associated with the EU," Ukraine will have to transfer a significant part of its sovereignty to the European Commission. But such information extremely rarely reaches the ordinary citizen of Ukraine, who has been instilled with the myth of “rich and happy Europe” for at least 20 years, any movement in the direction of which will automatically mean new living standards for this ordinary Ukrainian.
            And it would be nice for an ordinary Ukrainian to look at Latvia. where EU measures forced to eliminate the sugar industry and fisheries, or Greece, where the developed cotton growing and winemaking were essentially eliminated. You can also inquire about the promised visa facilitation in Turkey, where they have been waiting for the promised 50 years since 1963!
            that is, the final handing over of the country to the EU’s arm definitely threatens with a crisis similar to what is happening in the European gates.
            And then those Families that control the South and East will seek their formats for relations (and not only economic) with Moscow, bypassing Kiev. I think Russia needs to be ready for this right now, right up to the military plans for protecting Crimea and the southeast of Ukraine.

            1. Tersky
              Tersky 20 July 2013 22: 32 New
              +7
              Quote: Ascetic
              In fact, for the acquisition of a certain mythical status of "a country associated with the EU,"

              Stanislav, hi ! If you face the truth, the European Union is not ready to offer Ukraine full membership in the foreseeable future and uses the issue of signing the association agreement as a trump card in the political confrontation with Moscow. Yanukovych himself reminds me-
              1. Ascetic
                Ascetic 20 July 2013 23: 23 New
                +4
                Victor! The situation resembles Moldavian. It may happen that two or three state entities are formed on the territory of Ukraine, for example, in Moldova, the Transnistrian Moldavian Republic and here will be the Dnieper Ukrainian (or Zadniprovsky) and Galicia-Volyn and some other Central Council in Kiev. It's just that in Moldova, essentially a country that is small and territorially divided into industrial Transnistria and agrarian Moldova, a split occurred immediately, especially since external forces were interested in it. At that time, Ukraine was essentially the most powerful European power with huge industrial agrarian and labor potential, which is still being divided and eaten up, but it still does not end there. And no one needed a split in Ukraine either in the West or even in Russia. Russia doesn’t need it now, but if this cannot be avoided or the possibility of such a scenario becomes obvious, one must be prepared for this so that the NATO peacekeepers dare not put their nose in there at the request of any newly-fledged Getman from Freedom. Ukraine is interested in the West until it ceases to spoil Russia no more. And Crimea and Sevastopol was Russian long before the state formation was formed. Ukraine will be Russian and AFTER... History will put everything in its place, As Ecclesiastes said
                Everything has its own time, and the time of every thing under heaven: 2time to be born, and time to die; time to plant, and time to tear out the planted; 3 time to kill, and time to heal; time to destroy, and time to build; 4 time to cry, and time to laugh; time to complain, and time to dance; 5 time to scatter stones, and time to collect stones; a time for hugging, and a time to evade hugs; 6 time to seek, and time to lose; time to save, and time to quit; 7 time to tear, and time to stitch; time to be silent, and time to speak; 8 time to love, and time to hate; time for war, and time for peace.

                By the way, Putin’s trip to Kiev on July 27 is still under a big question, and quotas for the supply of Ukrainian pipes have not been extended (the WTO means ... nothing personal)

        3. SPACE
          SPACE 20 July 2013 08: 30 New
          +6
          Quote: Ruslan67
          Don’t rotate your elite - you’ll hide fat alone

          Bacteriological weapons in action. They, the elite, wealthy with 90 continue to suffer from the virus of Western democracy, the rich are at risk. This virus primarily affects the brain, so to speak replaces it. That’s why all the current problems of Ukraine, the people are very good, smart, but disenfranchised. Only two people in this world have innate immunity to this virus, it is Nazarbayev and Lukashenko, Putin acquired it, probably the KGB has already developed a vaccine against the virus, I believe that Yanukovych is receiving it. If it is cured, they will enter the TS, but if not, then epitaph.
          Z.Y. The question is who are they and what unites them, Ilya Muromets, Nestor, Yuri Dolgorukov and Stolypin ...? The answer to which is the future of Ukraine! If Ukraine enters the CU, a new era will begin!
          1. Ruslan67
            Ruslan67 20 July 2013 09: 00 New
            +9
            Quote: SPACE
            The question is about who are they and what unites them,

            Well, probably originally Kievan Rus request Everything else from the evil one am
          2. Drummer
            Drummer 20 July 2013 09: 18 New
            -21
            Arrogantly expressed. Have you felt the economic effect of the vehicle?
            1. SPACE
              SPACE 20 July 2013 09: 36 New
              +9
              Quote: Drummer
              Have you felt the economic effect of the vehicle?

              Are you all about fat? Eh, you are a primitive person, profit can never replace conscience!
              1. Drummer
                Drummer 20 July 2013 09: 49 New
                -9
                And where does the conscience? Do you think the current Kremlin bosses have it?
                1. SPACE
                  SPACE 20 July 2013 10: 21 New
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                  Quote: Drummer
                  And where does the conscience?

                  With all!
                  Quote: Drummer
                  Do you think the current Kremlin bosses have it?

                  I don’t know, but I hope that in any case we should strive for this. Selling the soul to the devil, one must remember that children will pay dividends, THIS IS THE LAW OF LIFE!
                2. Alexander Romanov
                  Alexander Romanov 20 July 2013 11: 06 New
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                  Quote: Drummer
                  Do you think the current Kremlin bosses have it?

                  No where, here in the EU there is a whole conscience, well, in the USA there is also a conscience and everyone trades to it right and left.
                  1. Semen Semyonitch
                    Semen Semyonitch 20 July 2013 14: 58 New
                    +1
                    Quote: Alexander Romanov
                    Quote: Drummer
                    Do you think the current Kremlin bosses have it?

                    No where, here in the EU there is a whole conscience, well, in the USA there is also a conscience and everyone trades to it right and left.

                    ... grams, I think, 200 ... And maybe half a kilo ???
            2. Alexander Romanov
              Alexander Romanov 20 July 2013 11: 05 New
              +5
              Quote: Drummer
              Have you felt the economic effect of the vehicle?

              Who works, he feels.
          3. Misantrop
            Misantrop 20 July 2013 15: 18 New
            +3
            Quote: SPACE
            elite, wealthy since 90 continue to be ill with the virus of Western democracy
            Yes, they deeply cherish democracy, it is important for them that they can hide with the stolen goods. AND will not be given out of principle
          4. Skiff-2
            Skiff-2 20 July 2013 15: 57 New
            +3
            Only "coercion to friendship", but with love, no other is given. And everything will work out.
      2. sevtrash
        sevtrash 20 July 2013 11: 35 New
        +9
        Actually, in power in Ukraine, oligarchs, corrupt officials, parliamentarians are probably every millionaire who has earned them “righteous” labor. Who has money, real estate, family - where is their second or first home? Do you think in Russia? No, Europe. So a good relationship with Europe is the safety of their money, real estate and power, too. Only for this you need to fulfill at least some of the aspirations of the United States and Europe. To fight embezzlement - of course not, this is the basis of their well-being. But spit in the direction of Russia - yes, at least Europeans and the USA will forgive for this a lot - and you can steal further, if you press them, to go to your house in Europe.
        But ordinary citizens are a herd, a biomass that can and should be cut. And so that the biomass does not encroach on the government - so toss it and ignite the national question, let them do it.
      3. tilovaykrisa
        tilovaykrisa 20 July 2013 12: 42 New
        0
        Pattern.
      4. Misantrop
        Misantrop 20 July 2013 21: 50 New
        +2
        Quote: Vovka Levka
        The president and parliament are the ones that Russia wanted in 2004, and relations are worse than they were under the “orange” ones.
        Paradox?

        No, not a paradox. Validation of the old adage: "Road spoon to dinner"
    2. Sirocco
      Sirocco 20 July 2013 12: 23 New
      +5
      Quote: Alexej
      and thinks once, and then when the Western partners allow.

      He who pays for the girl dances her. And about the leadership of Ukraine, I have the same opinion as in the joke, when they ask the Ukrainian, if you were a king, what would you do? Kazhe, I’m bi so, having beaten bi 100 rubles, i wed. There, the entire "elite" represents, so to speak, foreign interests. So they will not refuse such a feeding trough.
    3. tilovaykrisa
      tilovaykrisa 20 July 2013 12: 42 New
      -7
      What is such a conviction based on? What is the victim of propaganda?
  2. plotnikov561956
    plotnikov561956 20 July 2013 06: 21 New
    +1
    She's already coming ...
  3. AlNick
    AlNick 20 July 2013 07: 54 New
    11
    Free will, saved paradise.

    Ukrainians have their own head on their heads, but whether they are on the shoulders of the Ukrainian leadership, they themselves chose them.
    1. Misantrop
      Misantrop 20 July 2013 15: 22 New
      +2
      Quote: AlNick
      whether it is on the shoulders of the leadership of Ukraine, again they themselves chose them.
      Remind Mecheslav Grib and his gang? Don’t come in time Old Man Lukashenko, in Belarus now there would be only frogs left ...
    2. Semen Semyonitch
      Semen Semyonitch 20 July 2013 15: 35 New
      0
      Quote: AlNick
      Free will, saved paradise.

      Ukrainians have their own head on their heads, but whether they are on the shoulders of the Ukrainian leadership, they themselves chose them.

      Whom do not choose, the result is one ... As the owner says ...
  4. Civil
    Civil 20 July 2013 08: 34 New
    +3
    Ukraine needs to be accepted into the CU in parts, first Crimea and Eastern Ukraine, and then send red commanders to Western,
    1. StolzSS
      StolzSS 20 July 2013 21: 43 New
      +2
      It was you who planted an amusing idea only in the Crimea, it is better to conduct a counter-terrorist operation against the Tatars first. These Crimean ones, as they were with that column, remained their only grave; although I would have sent them to Siberia a gold coin to wash on the rivers is still not 5 years old that would just shoot like that ... hi
  5. JIaIIoTb
    JIaIIoTb 20 July 2013 10: 48 New
    +2
    Quote: Canep
    And the trade and gas war between Ukraine and Russia will begin.

    There will be no war. There will simply be no trade.
  6. Alexander Romanov
    Alexander Romanov 20 July 2013 11: 01 New
    +1
    Quote: Canep
    I think in Vilnius will be signed the entry of Ukraine into the EU free trade zone.

    But who needs them there in the EU.
    1. Odessitka
      Odessitka 20 July 2013 14: 30 New
      +4
      Hello, the sun, the fact of the matter is that they need it, a similar situation when Ukraine intended to join NATO, now think about it.
      1. Alexander Romanov
        Alexander Romanov 20 July 2013 16: 41 New
        +1
        Quote: Odessitka
        Hi sun, that's just the point

        Who came, where did it go ??? We are waiting here to understand, but she crying
    2. Semen Semyonitch
      Semen Semyonitch 20 July 2013 15: 41 New
      +1
      Quote: Alexander Romanov
      Quote: Canep
      I think in Vilnius will be signed the entry of Ukraine into the EU free trade zone.

      But who needs them there in the EU.

      ... Yanukovych has an extremely difficult choice. On the one hand, Europe stubbornly does not want to see him as a full partner and is actively interfering in domestic Ukrainian politics. Nobody in Brussels, in general, hides that he sympathizes to a much greater extent with the “orange” team than the “blue” one, and he will most likely support Vitali Klitschko as the most probable president of Ukraine after 2015 in the next presidential election. So the EU as an ally specifically does not suit Yanukovych at all.

      On the other hand, Russia is likely to be even worse. Putin’s oligarchic regime in the event of Ukraine’s accession to the Customs Union can, in just a few years, take away what the Ukrainian oligarchs themselves have taken from the people over the past twenty years. Of course, neither the president himself, whose Family is already becoming one of the country's most influential business clans, nor the oligarchs who, in general, want to share assets even less, are not enthusiastic about such a future for Ukraine. Moreover, it is obvious that if Ukraine becomes the patrimony of Russia, its local "owners" will sooner or later lose their current assets and abandon claims on those pipes and power lines that still remain in state ownership. European companies will not be so aggressive, Ukrainian asset holders believe.

      So, on July 27, Yanukovych will talk with Putin, and based on the results of these negotiations, he will have to decide in which direction the country is moving on. Unlike everything that was earlier, for Ukraine this can become a truly turning point and the long-awaited “end of multi-vectorism”.
      More details: http://www.rosbalt.ru/exussr/2013/07/19/1154459.html
  7. Misantrop
    Misantrop 20 July 2013 15: 10 New
    +1
    Quote: Canep
    will the leadership of Ukraine read it?
    To begin with, it would be worth asking if the leadership of Ukraine is able to read? wassat
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  • aspirin02
    aspirin02 20 July 2013 06: 06 New
    11
    The fate of Ukraine is to sit on 2 chairs !!! So it was, so it is! And so it will be! And there's nothing to be done about it! My opinion is that we need to cooperate! Better with your own than with the Geyropeytsami! There is no language barrier! One language, etc. ... But it will be as always! Old to say a word: 3 Hetman ............ One trough ....
    1. Alexei
      Alexei 20 July 2013 07: 06 New
      +7
      Quote: aspirin02
      The fate of Ukraine is to sit on 2 chairs !!! So it was, so it is! And so it will be!

      The main thing is not to overdo it, oops, it's not rubber. And the geyropeysky chair er ... as if softer - it is very uneven.
      1. Semen Semyonitch
        Semen Semyonitch 20 July 2013 15: 45 New
        +2
        Quote: Alexej
        Quote: aspirin02
        The fate of Ukraine is to sit on 2 chairs !!! So it was, so it is! And so it will be!

        The main thing is not to overdo it, oops, it's not rubber. And the geyropeysky chair er ... as if softer - it is very uneven.

        ... and even with "heating" ...
    2. domokl
      domokl 20 July 2013 07: 35 New
      0
      Quote: aspirin02
      to sit on 2 chairs !!!

      Alas, the last year shows that it’s not possible to sit still. Napryagov is becoming more and more. TS is not Russia by itself. It’s already an alliance. And although Putin has weight, the decision is made taking into account the interests of all.
      I think the end of this year, in extreme cases, the next one will be decisive. The opinion of the people is not particularly interested in any of the politicians. Now the political elite of Ukraine will decide. And the decision, at the moment, is predictable.
      1. igor.borov775
        igor.borov775 20 July 2013 08: 25 New
        0
        And as you would like, the united market of Europe and the USA flickers in front of the tempting target, Hook on like leeches, come to us, We've been procrastinating this vehicle for so long that not everyone believes in its economic value, there is another aspect that affects the vehicle very much, You can’t see the convincing growth of economies within the CU. You can immediately rush at me for this statement, But now there is a right of choice for the elite, Already now it is clear that economic growth of 3-3,5% or even less is not impressive, And this is the most important a trump card, we don’t have it yet, And an attempt to tie history ourselves rather, we’re telling, rather, our elite trampled it so with their democratic boots that it no longer has power. One more thing you don’t have to consider all fools. They perfectly see what is happening and problems are not resolved. As long as they grow, there will be no real economic growth for us. no one will come
        1. Drummer
          Drummer 20 July 2013 09: 43 New
          0
          I agree. This is the main reason, IMHO.
          1. SPACE
            SPACE 20 July 2013 10: 59 New
            +4
            Quote: igor.borov775
            And as you would like, the united market of Europe and the USA flickers in front of a tempting target ... You can’t see the convincing growth of economies within the CU. You can immediately rush at me for this statement, But now there is a right of choice for the elite, Economic growth is already clearly clear in 3-3,5% or even less are not impressive, and this is the most important trump card

            Naive, do you seriously believe that you are invited to this poker as equals? In a strange game, you will always be a stranger. You need to create your own market, your own game, where you will set the rules! Its market is the development of its industry, its future. The choice is simple or you are consumers or creators. You need to understand that not everything is so simple and not fast. In order for there to be growth, we must first learn how to produce goods that are of high quality and not expensive, which could replace the goods of Europe, China, Turkey, etc. You can’t just ban the import, prices will start to rise. Private business is not yet capable of replacing imports, but the state is capable of doing so, which Nazarbayev, Lukashenko and Putin are well aware of and the goal of the CU in creating an advantage zone for domestic producers. Only together we can be competitive, then there will be growth. Tip: Start with yourself, make it a rule to buy only products manufactured in the TS ...
          2. Semurg
            Semurg 20 July 2013 12: 43 New
            +3
            Quote: Drummer
            I agree. This is the main reason, IMHO.

            The fear of losing their statehood probably also plays a small role, on the Russian side it often sounds that there are no such people as Ukrainians and give Crimea and the east of Ukraine from here and the desire for an EU umbrella.
            1. Misantrop
              Misantrop 20 July 2013 15: 25 New
              +1
              Quote: Semurg
              fear of losing one’s statehood

              For the current elite, “statehood” is nothing more than taps from which its trough is filled
        2. Aleks21
          Aleks21 20 July 2013 16: 33 New
          0
          Yes, they go to the strong, prosperous, rich. It seems that Russia has enough money and missiles, but all prosperity rests on one person. One successful attack and who is the replacement? Will the system survive one more Gorbachev, Yeltsin, Nicholas II? Europe and the States, in spite of their crises, are standing stronger.
          1. Semen Semyonitch
            Semen Semyonitch 21 July 2013 01: 36 New
            +2
            Quote: Alex21
            Yes, they go to the strong, prosperous, rich. It seems that Russia has enough money and missiles, but all prosperity rests on one person. One successful attack and who is the replacement? Will the system survive one more Gorbachev, Yeltsin, Nicholas II? Europe and the States, in spite of their crises, are standing stronger.

            They go to the one who is closer, dearer, and not richer. To the one who does not betray at a difficult time ... And to, to whom is richer "we only go ...
          2. cherkas.oe
            cherkas.oe 21 July 2013 15: 29 New
            +1
            Quote: Alex21
            Europe and the States, in spite of their crises, are on their feet stronger.

            Robbing and killing others while screaming for democracy.
  • plotnikov561956
    plotnikov561956 20 July 2013 06: 16 New
    +1
    It turns out that the current increasingly marginalized citizen of Ukraine should be “forced to friendship with Russia”.

    Glazyev made a very good speech about this at a conference at MGIMO ... quite comprehensive answers were given to Ukraine’s entry into the EU ... it really will be a ticket to the Titanic
    1. domokl
      domokl 20 July 2013 07: 38 New
      +1
      Quote: plotnikov561956
      Glazyev made a very good speech on this subject.

      Sogdashen. He spoke harshly and without synthetics. Now the time has come for H, but Ukraine hopes that only Russia decides everything in the TS. Six months, at most, a year before the end of the Russia-Ukraine tragicomedy, as we were friends, we were at enmity ...
  • Valery Neonov
    Valery Neonov 20 July 2013 06: 17 New
    +2
    All that is stated in the article, but to convey to the heads of the Ukrainian leadership, is, as it were, simpler ... maybe they don’t understand what. Interpret on the fingers! hi You rested in your EU, you bought the Ukrainian leadership, and therefore they rest like ungulates with long ears, they beckoned with a "carrot".
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    1. Andrey KZ
      Andrey KZ 20 July 2013 10: 25 New
      +7
      Dear Taurus, let’s not speak for the whole Ukrainian people. Georgia was sold not just a simple Ukrainian lad, but Yushchenko, and other kodla, delivered and paid by the West.
    2. ATATA
      ATATA 20 July 2013 10: 48 New
      +7
      Quote: Taurus
      One who wants to die cannot be saved. This is clear true. They trample the path to Sodom and Gomorrah.

      I agree, but with some amendments.
      1 In Ukraine, there are many people for whom Russia is their homeland.
      2 Ukraine / Little Russia, this is the pie that has yet to be baked.
      1. Sirocco
        Sirocco 20 July 2013 12: 56 New
        +1
        Quote: ATATA
        2 Ukraine / Little Russia, this is the pie that has yet to be baked.
        Lla Tartus.
        Do not forget that modern Russia went from Kievan Rus. A.S. Pushkin.
        And the message on the wings flew.
        Украйна vaguely rustled:
        "He crossed, he changed,
        He put Karl at his feet
        Bunchuk is submissive. ” The flame burns
        A bloody dawn is rising
        People’s war.
        Ukraine from the region, Russia, or the region of Russia.
        1. ATATA
          ATATA 20 July 2013 13: 53 New
          0
          Quote: Sirocco
          Ukraine from the region, Russia, or the region of Russia.

          Yeah, I know.
          The Ukrainians in Russia were called border guards. Well, if you roughly compare.
        2. Setrac
          Setrac 20 July 2013 20: 15 New
          +1
          Quote: Sirocco
          Do not forget that modern Russia went from Kievan Rus. A.S. Pushkin.

          No need to repeat the mistakes of others, modern Russia has come out of Vladimir-Suzdal Russia, the Upper Volga region is the heart of the Russian land.
          1. Chernomorets
            Chernomorets 1 August 2013 01: 58 New
            0
            They invented it yourself or who suggested it?
            You reminded me of one of our nationalists who argued to me that the Russians have nothing to do with us, for the reason that you didn’t come from Kievan Rus, but from the Principality of Moscow. The Vladimir-Suzdal principality became an independent principality only after the collapse of Kievan Rus, and the lands were settled by the Eastern Slavs relatively late, until the 13th century. Open school books and read the "Tale of Bygone Years" by Nestor the Chronicler dated XII-XIII centuries. It was Kiev that was the mother of Russian cities. Moreover, all of Ukraine is a native Russian land. There should not be a division into nationalities "Ukrainians-Belarusians-Russians", this is not right, we are all Russians. for justice, at least "Ukrainians-Belarusians-Russians"
    3. domokl
      domokl 20 July 2013 13: 32 New
      +4
      Quote: Taurus
      I don’t understand why ukrov should be called into an alliance.

      Alas, I hear about such speeches very often. A generation of people has grown up for whom Ukraine is a different and not very friendly state. About Kiev, mothers of Russian cities-laughter. Why such a mother who steals gas from an act. And so on many points .
      It’s disgusting like that. And maybe Russia has already accumulated fatigue from constant friction with Ukraine. It seems to me that it has already been highlighted that the next generation that will come after us will not even consider the issue of reunification. Not on either side.
      Those who grew up without each other already in 20-30 years fellow
      1. Semen Semyonitch
        Semen Semyonitch 20 July 2013 16: 06 New
        0
        Quote: domokl
        Quote: Taurus
        I don’t understand why ukrov should be called into an alliance.

        Alas, I hear about such speeches very often. A generation of people has grown up for whom Ukraine is a different and not very friendly state. About Kiev, mothers of Russian cities-laughter. Why such a mother who steals gas from an act. And so on many points .
        It’s disgusting like that. And maybe Russia has already accumulated fatigue from constant friction with Ukraine. It seems to me that it has already been highlighted that the next generation that will come after us will not even consider the issue of reunification. Not on either side.
        Those who grew up without each other already in 20-30 years fellow

        Yes, for young people this question is not relevant, because they do not remember the time when we were one.
      2. cherkas.oe
        cherkas.oe 21 July 2013 15: 42 New
        0
        Quote: domokl
        .One seems to me to have already been highlighted, the next generation that will be after us will not even consider the question of reunification. Not on either side.

        Unfortunately you are right. Longing and fear for the future for this very reason. The West knows if Ukraine is torn from Belarus and Russia, it will be easier to deal with Russia, both militarily and economically.
  • serge-68-68
    serge-68-68 20 July 2013 06: 27 New
    -3
    Ukraine should develop independently, and not serve as a platform for the games of other states and unions.
    1. waisson
      waisson 20 July 2013 06: 46 New
      +1
      Yes, Ukraine should be independent, but it should cooperate more closely with the states from which it will benefit, and these are the neighbors in the camp, because all industry was tied up by all the links between all the republics and I think they will evaluate the products of Ukraine in the first place and not the European Union who will strangle her like Greece
      1. serge-68-68
        serge-68-68 20 July 2013 06: 51 New
        +1
        In this way, industry would contagion and contagion more if not for politics. And people still communicate. And they would talk more if not all the same politicians. And if, again, Ukrainian politicians would rush less like that donkey between haystacks, and care more about the state and people, then respect for Ukraine would be more and offers to it would be more generous as an example. CO-work with the strong, or at least the proud.
      2. I am a Russian
        I am a Russian 21 July 2013 21: 48 New
        0
        Quote: waisson
        Yes, Ukraine must be independent


        Ukraine seems to have a different fate
    2. velikoros-xnumx
      velikoros-xnumx 20 July 2013 11: 50 New
      0
      She is by definition not capable of this. The last decade has demonstrated this.
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    1. plotnikov561956
      plotnikov561956 20 July 2013 07: 25 New
      +3
      To fight on the side of the enemy ... this says a lot ... the stain on the body of Ukraine is not washed away ...
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      1. Warrawar
        Warrawar 20 July 2013 11: 34 New
        0
        Quote: kris
        do not judge people by politicians!

        As it turns out, everything is simple.
  • MIKHAN
    MIKHAN 20 July 2013 07: 03 New
    +2
    Ukraine Ukraine I’ll sell everything and then they will take it away ...
  • knn54
    knn54 20 July 2013 07: 20 New
    +9
    We are ONE PEOPLE (3 nations) and must be together.
    The EU is degenerating into an organization of economic REGULATION, even DICTAT, rather than cooperation. Why, some IMF or Brussels should indicate how much I should pay for utilities.
    CES - ECONOMIC cooperation, which does not have non-government bodies.
    Even the EU members themselves (in particular, Kwasniewski) say that the EU is a PROSPECT. And how long can you wait for a "short"? All the time they come up with the next reforms for us. According to a Chinese proverb, lies have two sisters - many apologies and many promises.
    And why are the most stable growing economies in Turkey and Norway, which are not members of the EU.
    1. velikoros-xnumx
      velikoros-xnumx 20 July 2013 12: 02 New
      +1
      I agree. I spoke about the same in the discussion of the article “A Country with Suicidal Tendencies”:
      "... And indeed, the concept of" Ukrainian "people is not correct and historically untrue (I don’t take Western women into account), just like the concept of" Russian "people is incorrect. It would be more correct to say" Russian "peoples as part of the Great Russians, Little Russians and, of course, Belarusians " drinks .
    2. I am a Russian
      I am a Russian 22 July 2013 15: 40 New
      0
      Quote: knn54
      We are ONE PEOPLE (3 nations) and must be together.


      Do you yourself believe that? Ask yourself, what did you do to reunite?

      If you are a man of the old school, then alas, there are few people like you left in Ukraine. Few will support you.
      1. Chernomorets
        Chernomorets 1 August 2013 02: 20 New
        0
        tired of reading these nonsense. the last time I remind you do you remember the Yeltsin times? the people of Russia fought hard? What did each of you do? and we have one mentality. it’s just that you had a strong leader who managed to break through to the steering wheel and put things in order, at the same time he opened his eyes to you. unfortunately we don’t have such.
  • KazaK Bo
    KazaK Bo 20 July 2013 07: 28 New
    13
    Favorite game of the Slavs "STEP ON THE RAKE AND SMILE" continues. How much more can one discuss the argument about the advantage of the development vector to the East, to an alliance with RUSSIA, Belarus, Kazakhstan and other post-Soviet republics, now "independent" states that are successfully "bending" under the weight of their sovereignty. Well, at least shoot yourself, but in the newly formed states there is no necessary sufficient level of the machine park and other equipment for the production of goods that will be in demand on the western market. And what about cheaper access to hydrocarbon, mineral, ore and other subsoil resources of a single economic space?
    The western market is busy and no one will let us go there! Whoever what gingerbreads promised us. Try to come to our primitive bazaar, find a good passage point and ask the old stall to get out of there ... they say, I like it here ... I will now trade here ... God grant you good legs and reactions to a quick start, in order to be in time run to the "Canadian border" ... China took this market as its dumping price, because the cost of labor, other contributions, including pension there, are many times lower than in the former Soviet Union, not to mention the level of remuneration of the European worker.
    The labor market is our destiny: this is a low-honored mission of auxiliary workers with a payment below the minimum ... no one from the East will provide the department of universities and the ward in hospitals with gastro-workers. For this you need to have THEIR DIPLOMAS !!!
    And the political component is even more clearly visible ... as they say, by slightly paraphrasing the phrase - together it’s easier to beat your neighbor ... if you climb. In the meantime, everything possible is being done with different promises about "delicious gingerbread" so that we would stay in our national apartments ... not put our great potential into one fist. For when we are all together ... then we are not to blame if you did not manage to escape!
  • Forward looking
    Forward looking 20 July 2013 07: 30 New
    0
    From time to time, Military Review publishes articles on the need for Ukraine to join the CU. I am not a citizen of Ukraine, especially not its President, but the tantrum about this began to tire. Gentlemen, let’s honestly ask ourselves: will the TC manage without Ukraine or not? If so, then hysteria is enough, if not, then all the more so. Well, he doesn’t want and don’t need, why should he be humiliated? Some threats, some sanctions ... everything is stupid and ridiculous. By the way, I would really like to read about the USE of the CU for the countries included in it. If possible, publish it. Prove to me and neighbors that this is not an empty phrase.
    1. maxvet
      maxvet 20 July 2013 08: 29 New
      +2
      Apparently, without Ukraine, the TS "can go, but limps (or it can be very lame)" since Ukraine is so actively inviting the TS, Armenia, for example, is somehow not particularly expected and called in the TS
  • domokl
    domokl 20 July 2013 07: 30 New
    +1
    a sort of ridiculous feeling came up after reading this article. It seems that I only for such relationships, I also understand perfectly well that Ukraine is more profitable (due to the underdevelopment of the current production in the CU countries) to join us. It, so far, can enter as an equal partner. powerful industry, quite competitive with Russian or Kazakh.
    And on the other hand ... It feels like we have already abandoned the integrity of Ukraine. We do not need the western regions, we need the East, and partly the center.
    We give a trump card to Ukrainian nationalists; they just want to dismember us. But this is my subjective opinion.
    1. Chernomorets
      Chernomorets 1 August 2013 02: 28 New
      0
      In fact, the west of Ukraine is irreconcilable nationalists. They will not make any compromises. They will stand their ground to the last. They are not like us, they were separated from Poland only in the year 39. In order not to be unfounded and understand the situation, one must live in Ukraine.
      Southeast and Crimea are completely on the side of Russia.
  • valokordin
    valokordin 20 July 2013 07: 32 New
    +2
    Quote: knn54
    According to a Chinese proverb, lies have two sisters - many apologies and many promises.

    A wonderful proverb, it applies to our government. There is a tempting fantastic offer to join the customs union in Ukraine by regions. This can be done with regional re-export control.
  • ia-ai00
    ia-ai00 20 July 2013 07: 34 New
    +4
    ... a citizen of Ukraine follows "force к
    friendship
    with Russia "

    Cool said! We are one people, but for some reason, the Ukrainian leadership from Russia wants to have its benefits free of charge, and at the same time turns away from it and looks "in the woods", and if the Ukrainian people do not want to take over all the vices of the Geyroppppa in the future, they need their own " neck ", and not only" neck ", turn towards Russia!
  • MIKHAN
    MIKHAN 20 July 2013 07: 41 New
    +1
    All will settle down brothers-Slavs !! But you don’t get too strange there .. fellow
  • shark
    shark 20 July 2013 09: 19 New
    +9
    Do not rush to minus what I’ll say now. Personally, I want Ukraine to join the EU. It’s such a mediocre, populist organization that Ukraine’s entry (definitely not long) will only bring us closer to the moment of unification and the appearance on the political arena of motivated about Russian forces
    1. Klin klinovv
      Klin klinovv 20 July 2013 12: 48 New
      +1
      I SUPPORT.
      Natural selection continues.
  • dropout
    dropout 20 July 2013 09: 26 New
    10
    Joke in the topic.

    If in Ukraine hands were chopped off for theft, then in the Verkhovna Rada instead of buttons for voting there would be pedals.

    A cleaning lady washes a men's toilet in the Verkhovna Rada
    -! Neither the country nor their dick know how to manage!
  • My address
    My address 20 July 2013 09: 55 New
    +5
    Get hold of Yanukovych.
    At first, he thought that he was very smart, would shear sheep simultaneously in the east and west. When I realized that the opposite is true, I do not know how to get out without losing my face. Afraid that children will show and laugh with a finger. I thought up to go to spy at the vehicle. But everyone hopes that the gingerbread from the West just stuck at customs.
    It seems to me that Julia would have spat on the West a long time ago. Baba is clever, self-loving, give her the glory of the savior immediately.
    1. shurup
      shurup 20 July 2013 10: 28 New
      -3
      If Yulechka becomes the president of Russia, then the EU will wish to join the CU, and whoever does not have time will flee to America.
      1. My address
        My address 20 July 2013 10: 45 New
        0
        Well so clear the stump. She only shake the stern in gait and half of the electorate for her.
  • shurup
    shurup 20 July 2013 10: 23 New
    -7
    Why is it profitable for Ukraine to join the CU?
    Why still not joined? - So it’s not profitable.
    What to do? - Make it profitable.
    Other talk is speculation on someone else’s grief and someone’s ghostly joy.
  • Valery Neonov
    Valery Neonov 20 July 2013 10: 35 New
    0
    Ukraine will disappear in the geyrop; one can observe the "fate" of all the newcomers to the former USSR state-TV and Warsaw Treaty Countries; on the other hand, Ukraine is necessary for Russia ... after all, UKRAINE IS THE KEY LINK IN FORMING THE FOREIGN POLICY STRATEGY OF THE RUSSIAN FEDERATION WITH RESPECT TO THE COUNTRIES OF THE “NEAR FOREIGN”. hi
    1. tilovaykrisa
      tilovaykrisa 20 July 2013 12: 50 New
      0
      It will not be lost, for the most part (not all of course) it will simply turn into the next service personnel of the eurozone, all the Warsaw Treaty states will be examples, but only they will be paid even less. But for Russia, Ukraine is indeed a key link, both geographically and politically, leaving it under the influence of Russia will mean the end and, moreover, the final state of such a state as the Russian Federation.
  • Grigorich 1962
    Grigorich 1962 20 July 2013 11: 50 New
    +3
    joining the CU Ukraine can again become Ukraine !! ... there is such a chance. Stop looking to the west .... servile mentality must be etched out of oneself !!
  • Sevastopol
    Sevastopol 20 July 2013 12: 37 New
    +2
    It is easier to bankrupt Ukraine than to mess with these huckster-former supply managers (Ukrainian politicians). And Russia had to do this for a long time. Yanyk betrayed his voters bluntly with his decision to pull towards the EU. He wants to see another loan, but there is nothing to give the previous ones to, and it is never foreseen. The country has a tense political situation. Any of his actions in the direction of rapprochement with Russia and ukronatsiki with dill (or rather those who call themselves so) will rush to the streets. And he, Yanyk, as you know - still something. It has been known since the time of the Maidan.
    and Ukraine will never become Ukraine. This political misunderstanding is generally incomprehensible as it has not yet collapsed. Although everything goes to this. The 15th year is just around the corner.
    1. tilovaykrisa
      tilovaykrisa 20 July 2013 12: 43 New
      0
      Come on and not come, you my friend consider yourself in the right to bankrupt other states, decide how they live? Well then, change the flag from the USSR to the star-striped.
  • Yuriwhite
    Yuriwhite 20 July 2013 12: 49 New
    0
    Forest forest brothers Ukrainians! Russia does not need Ukraine in any form. But Little Russia, New Russia, etc. are necessary. And only so. And who after truly Russian unification will write Ukraine again with a capital letter immediately to the wall. However, there is no faith in those who betrayed only the Russian idea twice in this century. Let Ukraine join NATO in the EU and so on, it will only lag behind Russia and stop when it is convenient for it to pedal the Slavic brotherhood.
  • Sevastopol
    Sevastopol 20 July 2013 12: 49 New
    +8
    I live in this Ukraine and hate this under-state! because I have the right to say so! or is it bad with geography? it is high time for Russia to bankrupt and crush these Ukrainian political nits and return Russian land to their native country!
    1. tilovaykrisa
      tilovaykrisa 20 July 2013 12: 55 New
      -6
      I live 8 months in Ukraine and 4 in Russia, and I fundamentally disagree with you, what nits need to be crushed? And geography about the Russian land should you teach, bankrupt, crush, destroy, does not resemble anything?
      1. Yuriwhite
        Yuriwhite 20 July 2013 13: 00 New
        0
        tell us what is Ukraine and where are its territories
      2. Sevastopol
        Sevastopol 20 July 2013 13: 04 New
        +3
        what nits? !! ​​?? political and business elite of Ukraine, and what else? and where do you live? do you even know how much the minimum pension is in Ukraine? Do you know how much is the minimum living wage and minimum wage? that 350 bucks is considered a good salary, not a week, but a month? Do you realize what nonsense is taught in Ukrainian schools and institutes regarding history? Do you know that neo-Nazis-Bandera are represented in the Parliament of this lack?
        you probably lived in some fictional Ukraine, and not in the real one. and why the heck she is not needed, because nothing will change in ANY political situation. unless there will be more neo-Nazis and more fights in the Rada.
  • Ivanovic
    Ivanovic 20 July 2013 12: 49 New
    -6
    I can’t understand all these speculations where Ukraine should join the EU or the TS. Yes, and if you sort it out, then there’s nothing and nothing. You just need to compare the standard of living in the EU and the CU, and who doesn’t get the paper on paper to organize an excursion to Tverskaya I’ve been there under Rotterdam too, the same discussion has recently disappeared. And Russia doesn’t need to “hook the fifth wheel and carts” to invent its own, special thing, but also strive for European standards and EU accession,
    1. Yuriwhite
      Yuriwhite 20 July 2013 12: 52 New
      +1
      Let us join the EU in NATO and so on and as soon as possible. Just forget about the Russian Vanya and never remember.
      1. tilovaykrisa
        tilovaykrisa 20 July 2013 13: 01 New
        0
        They will remember, exactly what they will remember, and they will see Moscow’s hand in everything, history shows that this is exactly what always happens.
    2. Sevastopol
      Sevastopol 20 July 2013 12: 53 New
      +1
      Ukraine in the EU-this is nonsense for Svidomo idiots. There was never even a minimal chance of joining the EU in this country, and never will be. This is a purely political trick for trolling Russia - no more.
      1. tilovaykrisa
        tilovaykrisa 20 July 2013 13: 02 New
        0
        I want to ask you, dear, does your nickname correspond to your residence?
        1. Sevastopol
          Sevastopol 20 July 2013 13: 06 New
          +1
          Yes, it does. I can at least send the address, and the ip is open.
          1. tilovaykrisa
            tilovaykrisa 20 July 2013 13: 08 New
            +1
            Not required, as I understand from the family of Russian sailors of the military, or something related to this?
            1. Sevastopol
              Sevastopol 20 July 2013 13: 12 New
              +2
              here the whole city is tied to Russia in one way or another. Like the Crimea. Ukrainian authorities failed to stir up the souls of people. and why this question? it is not necessary to receive a salary in rubles in the Crimea to be a patriot of Russia (out of habit, or on purpose, many hryvnias are called rubles now). and the Ukrainian authorities are here, you cannot call occupation otherwise.
        2. Sevastopol
          Sevastopol 20 July 2013 13: 10 New
          +4
          Moreover. I can say with confidence that the overwhelming majority of citizens think the same. You can come to our hero city and chat with simple native Sevastopol residents on this subject. and the whole Crimea, by and large, this applies, with the exception of the Tatars who came in large numbers and Gaster from Ukraine.
          1. tilovaykrisa
            tilovaykrisa 20 July 2013 13: 12 New
            0
            I live in Crimea, directly in the city of Feodosia. And the opinions of Crimeans are known to me.
            1. Sevastopol
              Sevastopol 20 July 2013 13: 17 New
              0
              to live is not an offset to be local. and what are these opinions, interesting? )) "Shaw for unreasonableness" you can say?)) I Feodosia, Simfer, Yalta know quite well. there are friends everywhere. even in Kerch) The exception in favor of Ukraine are only the Tatars, a small part from Yevpatoriya, juvenile goldfinches (not all) with brainwashed by Ukrainian schools, and those who came in large numbers. all.
    3. tilovaykrisa
      tilovaykrisa 20 July 2013 12: 59 New
      0
      Yes, let it enter wherever it wants (except for military blocs), the economy will not stand it, look at the example of the Baltic states with its most beautiful branches of dairy, cheese, fish products, where are they now? they are not there and all thanks to the entry into the WTO, now Ukraine cannot (wildly for me) provide itself with sugar, milk, butter, cheeses, etc. But let it come in, the main thing is that we would not be told to the WTO later, and Moscow’s hand shoved the rest. Or personally Putin forced to enter.
    4. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 20 July 2013 13: 08 New
      +4
      Quote: Ivanovic
      You just need to compare the standard of living in the EU and the CU,

      The average in Russia is higher than in the EU. For retirement and social programs, also better!
      Quote: Ivanovic
      Tver region, visited there and near Rotterdam, the same was recently and all the discussion will be gone

      Ha, and for you, the EU is one Rotterdam, but don’t bring Italy, Greece, Spain, Cyprus, the Baltic States, Romania and beyond or it’s not a type of EU wassat
      1. tilovaykrisa
        tilovaykrisa 20 July 2013 13: 10 New
        +4
        forgot more evil places, for example, Albania and Macedonia.
        1. Essenger
          Essenger 20 July 2013 15: 26 New
          +5
          Quote: tilovaykrisa
          Albania and Macedonia


          They are not members of the EU.
          1. Alexander Romanov
            Alexander Romanov 20 July 2013 16: 40 New
            +1
            Quote: Essenger

            They are not members of the EU.

            they are in the association "thrive" laughing
      2. Ivanovic
        Ivanovic 20 July 2013 13: 18 New
        -6
        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        The average in Russia is higher than in the EU. For retirement and social programs, also better!
        - they didn’t confuse anything, maybe they mean the average oligarchs.
        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        why don’t bring Italy, Greece, Spain, Cyprus, the Baltic states, Romania
        - I’m bringing you to some places. I can also bring Poland, what I saw is impressive. Yes, and about the Tver region, I drove to Bezhetsk. It was also impressive, in the villages in Ukraine there is no such devastation, but already at the expense of comparison with Poland, I don’t even want to. When among summer, it’s hot, my grandfather comes in felt boots and a sheepskin coat and asks for at least bread. So what a comparison.
        1. Gecko
          Gecko 20 July 2013 13: 38 New
          +3
          For example, I do not have poverty in Russia.
          You think everything, separated from Russia, join Europe and you will have happiness.
          But xyz, without New Russia, please join at least 51 states to the United States, maybe a bone from the lordly table will be cut off for you. No matter how you disguise as Europeans, you will not become them, unless you start first with yourself, stop littering and be rude, and finally begin to work and earn good money, and not look for a rich uncle abroad. You expect manna from heaven from Europe, and you personally have the plumbing fate somewhere in the English hinterland.
          No matter how I love the Anglo-Saxons, but to give them their due they are united, no matter what.
          And we Slavs treat each other as enemies, therefore we are weak and go to the porch to beg for alms, therefore we have such an attitude.
        2. Ivanovic
          Ivanovic 20 July 2013 13: 52 New
          -1
          By the way, there is also a comparison of the living standards of Russia and Ukraine, who are interested-http: //www.ruska-pravda.com/monitoring-smi/38-st-monitoring-smi/20762-
          bredsvidomogo.html. True, the minimum pension in Ukraine is somewhere around 1200 UAH, not 894.
          1. Gecko
            Gecko 20 July 2013 14: 07 New
            0
            The kindergarten teacher at our office receives for your information about 23000 rubles (700 USD) in the regions, the average retirement pension will be from 10000 rubles, the rest that you have given is also nonsense ...
            1. Alexander Romanov
              Alexander Romanov 20 July 2013 15: 15 New
              +5
              Quote: gecko
              the rest you crap too ...

              Yes, it’s Troll, enough to read about the grandfather in felt boots and a sheepskin coat asking for at least bread in the summer. laughing
        3. Alexander Romanov
          Alexander Romanov 20 July 2013 15: 13 New
          +2
          Quote: Ivanovic
          - they didn’t confuse anything, maybe they mean the average oligarchs.

          There is nothing, we have pensions higher than in your beloved France. The standard of living is also higher and the Europeans themselves acknowledge this and are not judged by our tourists. There is one income per capita, but take into account the expense. Be very surprised.
          Quote: Ivanovic
          .Yes and about the Tver region, drove to Bezhetsk

          In Tverskaya was not, come to the Far East, the Japanese have higher salaries, but the standard of living wink
          With regards to Poland, so mine.
          Quote: Ivanovic
          When it’s hot in the middle of summer, a grandfather comes in his felt boots and a sheepskin coat and asks for at least bread.

          Sorry you get along, don’t write or you met a homeless person wassat
      3. Ivanovic
        Ivanovic 20 July 2013 13: 30 New
        -15
        After your words, I decided to google what, and how much, the place Russia takes in the world and what I found-

        1st place in the world for mental illness;

        1st place in the world in the number of suicides among older people;

        1st place in the world in the number of suicides among children and adolescents;

        1st place in the world in the number of children abandoned by parents;

        1st place in the world in the number of abortions and maternal mortality;

        1st place in the world in the number of divorces and children born out of wedlock;

        1st place in the world in the consumption of alcohol and alcohol-containing products;

        1st place in the world in sales of strong alcohol;

        1st place in Europe in the number of deaths from drunkenness and smoking;

        1st place in the world in tobacco consumption and third place in the production of tobacco products;

        1st place in the world in the number of smoking children and the growth rate of the number of smokers;

        1st place in the world in mortality from diseases of the cardiovascular system;

        1st place in the world in the number of accidents;

        1st place in the world in the number of air crashes (according to the International Air Transport Association, the level of air crashes in Russia is 13 times higher than the world average);

        1st place in the world in terms of the supply of slaves to the international black market;

        1st place in the world in terms of growth in the number of dollar billionaires;

        2nd place in the world in the number of dollar billionaires (after the United States);

        2nd place in the world for the distribution of fake drugs (after China);

        2nd place in Europe in the number of suicides per capita (after Lithuania);

        2nd place in the world in the number of murders per capita (after Colombia);

        2nd place in the world in the number of journalists killed in the last ten years;

        2-place in the world (after Serbia) in the number of people seeking asylum in the developed countries of the West;

        2nd place in the world in terms of bureaucracy;

        2nd place in the world in the number of prisoners per 1000 people (after the United States);

        2nd place in the world among spam countries;

        2nd place in the world in the number of children adopted in the United States;

        3rd place in the world for the dissemination of child pornography;

        3rd place in the world in the number of totalitarian sects;

        3rd place in the world in the number of cellular subscribers;

        3rd place in the world in car theft.

        1st place in the world in import of Chinese cars;

        62nd place in the world in terms of technological development (between Costa Rica and Pakistan);

        67th place in the world in terms of living standards;

        70th place in the world for the use of advanced information and communication technologies;

        72nd place in the world in the ranking of government spending per person;

        97th place in the world in per capita income;

        127th place in the world in terms of population health;

        134th place in the world in terms of male life expectancy;

        159th place in the world in terms of political rights and freedoms;

        175th place in the world in terms of physical security of citizens;

        182nd place in mortality among 207 countries of the world;

        1st place in the world in terms of absolute population decline.

        _________
        1. Sevastopol
          Sevastopol 20 July 2013 13: 37 New
          0
          better go, for example, to Yekaterinburg. not necessarily Peter even, or to Moscow. It is possible in Novosibirsk. and see how people live there. and look, for example, in Dnepropetrovsk or Lviv. even in Kiev. Compare their salaries, employment and purchasing power. and ratings now can be invented different. still no one will prove anything.
        2. Alexander Romanov
          Alexander Romanov 20 July 2013 13: 52 New
          +1
          Quote: Ivanovic
          1st place in the world for mental illness;

          You're lying, 1st place in the USA!
          Quote: Ivanovic
          1st place in the world in the number of suicides among older people;

          Also the USA.
          Quote: Ivanovic
          1st place in the world in the number of children abandoned by parents;

          USA and Europe 1st and 2nd place in the number of children taken from parents.
          Quote: Ivanovic
          1st place in the world in the number of divorces and children born out of wedlock;

          Again lying, 1 place in the USA!
          Quote: Ivanovic
          1st place in the world in the consumption of alcohol and alcohol-containing products;

          Again lying, we are far from France.
          Quote: Ivanovic

          1st place in the world in terms of the supply of slaves to the international black market;

          Then he joked laughing
          Quote: Ivanovic
          1st place in the world in terms of growth in the number of dollar billionaires;

          USA again
          Further I will not comment on your nonsense.
          1. Ivanovic
            Ivanovic 20 July 2013 14: 01 New
            -1
            Here is a link to you: http: //otvet.mail.ru/question/23689114.I will only argue-
            Quote: Alexander Romanov
            1st place in the world in terms of growth in the number of dollar billionaires;
            USA again
            --- Probably confuse quantity with growth rates.
            1. Alexander Romanov
              Alexander Romanov 20 July 2013 14: 34 New
              +2
              Quote: Ivanovic
              --- Probably confuse quantity with growth rates.

              You’d better go to a site of NGOs or the State Department, so there you will find out that Russia comes first in terms of cannibalism wassat
              1. Ivanovic
                Ivanovic 20 July 2013 14: 49 New
                -5
                This, as I understand it, the facts are over.
                1. Alexander Romanov
                  Alexander Romanov 20 July 2013 15: 17 New
                  +1
                  Quote: Ivanovic
                  This, as I understand it, the facts are over

                  But what can you prove? I have already read your comment on the Russian grandfather, who asked you for a visiting Ukrainian at least bread. What do you prove? You dream about the EU.
                2. Gecko
                  Gecko 20 July 2013 18: 56 New
                  +1
                  And in Russia, bears walk the streets ...
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                4. Hleb
                  Hleb 20 July 2013 19: 07 New
                  0
                  Americans rubbed their legs
                  http://www.vesti.ru/only_video.html?vid=523621
          2. Essenger
            Essenger 20 July 2013 15: 39 New
            -2
            Quote: Alexander Romanov
            1st place in the world in the consumption of alcohol and alcohol-containing products;

            Again lying, we are far from France.


            alcohol use per person for 2011 first five
            Moldova, Czech Republic, Hungary, Russia and Ukraine
            http://gtmarket.ru/ratings/rating-countries-alcohol-consumption/info

            Vodka per person for 2012: Russia, Belarus, Ukraine, Poland, Kazakhstan

            total: Russia 2 billion liters per year, the United States 0,6 billion, Ukraine 0,4 billion, Poland 0,3 billion, Uzbekistan 0,1 billion.

            http://millioner.kz/content/rk-popal-v-desyatku-mirovykh-liderov-po-potrebleniyu
            -vodki
            1. Alexander Romanov
              Alexander Romanov 20 July 2013 16: 29 New
              +1
              Quote: Essenger

              http://millioner.kz/content/rk-

              About the sayit of Kazakhstan, not the Natsik Aidos Samyr hour laughing
              1. Essenger
                Essenger 20 July 2013 16: 41 New
                +3
                Quote: Alexander Romanov
                Quote: Essenger

                http://millioner.kz/content/rk-

                About the sayit of Kazakhstan, not the Natsik Aidos Samyr hour laughing


                if I’m not mistaken, it seems that this is his website www.abai.kz
                1. Alexander Romanov
                  Alexander Romanov 20 July 2013 16: 55 New
                  +1
                  Quote: Essenger
                  if I’m not mistaken, it seems that this is his website www.abai.kz

                  Generally for the future, WHO and similar organizations of the World Health Organization. Global Status Report on Alcohol and Health, 2011. will give you a bunch of examples of how we drink too much. In principle, we don’t have democracy either, and Russia trades in slaves and takes 1st place. Whom to sell what
                  1. stalkerwalker
                    stalkerwalker 20 July 2013 18: 45 New
                    +3
                    Quote: Alexander Romanov
                    Whom to sell

                    "Ethnic Kazakh."
            2. Setrac
              Setrac 20 July 2013 20: 42 New
              +1
              Quote: Essenger
              Vodka per person for 2012

              Let's compare the consumption of such drinks as cognac, whiskey, brandy, sake. And do you know what Russia is the first?
              by the number of people with Russian citizenship
              by the number of Russian-speaking people
              by the number of VAZ cars wink
              1. Lopatov
                Lopatov 20 July 2013 20: 48 New
                0
                Exactly.

                There is a lie, there is a big lie and there are statistics.
                1. Setrac
                  Setrac 20 July 2013 21: 01 New
                  +1
                  And here's another statistic to say:
                  Russia is the first by area of ​​cut down forest!
                  But these statistics will not say that the total forest area in Russia is growing.
                2. Essenger
                  Essenger 20 July 2013 22: 02 New
                  +5
                  A few days ago, an article appeared in the VO on what categories of the USA are in the first place. There, the Russians walked around the Americans not sickly. But not one of them particularly did not cast doubt on the statistics.
                  1. Alexander Romanov
                    Alexander Romanov 21 July 2013 02: 20 New
                    0
                    Quote: Essenger
                    about. But not one of them particularly did not cast doubt on the statistics.

                    Yes, there was nothing there that could be called into question.
                    1. Essenger
                      Essenger 21 July 2013 15: 02 New
                      +2
                      Quote: Alexander Romanov
                      Yes, there was nothing there that could be called into question.


                      When it comes to Americans, it’s all true, if about Russians it’s a lie. Double standarts. I understand the truth is easier to accept when it is on your side.
              2. Essenger
                Essenger 20 July 2013 21: 56 New
                +7
                use alcohol per person for 2011 first five
                Moldova, Czech Republic, Hungary, Russia and Ukraine

                All these types of drinks I think fall under the concept of algokol.

                I specially added about vodka, because unfortunately we are in the top five together with the Slavs. We really have such a problem.
                1. Apollo
                  Apollo 20 July 2013 22: 01 New
                  +4
                  Quote: Essenger
                  alcohol use per person for 2011 first five
                  Moldova, Czech Republic, Hungary, Russia and Ukraine


                  beer infographics
              3. Captain Vrungel
                Captain Vrungel 21 July 2013 06: 51 New
                +1
                The argument is good. Truth is born in a dispute. But they forgot about the most massive, natural, without GMOs and additives, our national favorite from Kaliningrad to Ratmanov Island. From Novaya Zemlya to Sochi. S A M O G O N. Has someone calculated it?
        3. ia-ai00
          ia-ai00 20 July 2013 14: 24 New
          +1
          You wrote it off from SUSHYa, in Russia there is all this, but 10 orders of magnitude less. So do not take the AMERICOS PALM OF PRIVACY!
        4. DEMENTIY
          DEMENTIY 20 July 2013 17: 52 New
          +4
          Ivanovic - Something my friend you are doing such evil statistics.
          I offer an alternative:

          - The longest kiss was recorded in Khabarovsk when the 8-year-old Vova touched his swing with his lip in the winter.

          - The most sociable person lives in Voronezh. Even getting out of the trolley, he says goodbye to the hand of every passenger.

          - The ugliest girl lives in Syzran. When she uploads her photos to the computer, the Photoshop icon starts to tremble.

          - The world's largest dumpling was molded by Zurab Tsereteli, after which it was cooked in the Khimki reservoir.

          - The largest flat feet of a resident of Moscow, who thought on an escalator.

          - The Russians who suffered the most from the magnetic storm were the Russians, who gave his wife a fridge magnet for his birthday.

          - The most religious person lives on Solovki. He has 75 domes on his chest.

          - The most virtuoso accordion player lives in Khimki. Returning at night from weddings, he plays the "Flight of the Bumblebee" on the buttons of intercoms.

          - Most often, a resident of Kostroma donated blood, for which he was awarded the honorary badge of a donor weighing 50 kg, so that it would not be carried away by the wind.

          - The most terrible alcoholic is the watchman of the Chelyabinsk Zoo. Thanks to him, the zoo is replenished every night with a new squirrel.

          - The largest family business is recorded in Suzdal. Daughter, mother, grandmother, great-grandmother and great-great-grandmother own a company for the production of dolls.

          - The most popular diving in Russia was recorded in the 1242 year, on the ice of Lake Peipsi.

          - The most massive flash mob in Russia was recorded on November 7 of 1917 of the year.

          - The longest applause was recorded at the Golden Gramophone music award: during the performance of Sergei Zverev, his people released him into the mosquito hall.

          - At the concert of Philip Kirkorov, the most high-profile crime in Russia occurred: Philip hit a fan with a microphone.

          - Six billion views - a certain Anastasia V. set such a record by posting her ero ****** photos in the anthill.

          - The longest telephone conversation was recorded in Moscow, when Tina Kandelaki accidentally called Andrei Malakhov.

          - A record for joint flexibility! Six people fit in the trunk of a car after they tried to rob Nikolai Valuev.

          - The record number of times the old women lost their place in the bus to the alcoholic Petrykin, who works as a bus driver.

          - The most crazy people live in the village of "Quiet", where the Internet speed is 1 Kbt per second.

          - The longest one can stay on the water and not drown the Russian car “Lada”.

          - The most inexplicable phenomenon occurred in Togliatti. When Lada Kalina entered production, the portrait of Putin was pacified in the office of the head of AvtoVAZ.

          - The kindest blonde lives in Balashikha. She buys live carps in a store and lets them out into the woods.

          - The strongest man lives in Norilsk. He is able to drag his teeth on 3 meters wife, who went to the fur coat store.

          - The largest number of products in one minute was eaten by the homeless Alexei. The record was immediately recorded by the guards of the supermarket.

          - On the holiday of Ivan Kupala, the residents of the village of Vasyuki spent the longest round dance around the fire. The round dance could not stop for 8 hours after a cannabis bush accidentally got into the fire.

          - The longest noodles in the world were prepared by Moscow residents Dmitry Anatolyevich and Vladimir Vladimirovich.

          fellow
        5. stalkerwalker
          stalkerwalker 20 July 2013 18: 42 New
          +4
          Quote: Ivanovic
          After your words, I decided to google what, and how much, the place Russia takes in the world and what I found-

          Damn!
          What, it turns out, we live in the Matrix, you are Goebbels statistician.
        6. polly
          polly 21 July 2013 03: 33 New
          0
          Especially pleasing is the 159th place in terms of the level of political rights and freedoms of an unknown person ... Russia will live! laughing
        7. evil hamster
          evil hamster 21 July 2013 14: 25 New
          0
          Pomnitstso, on the other year old, so 5 years ago a certain client hung out the exact same footcloth, which is also characteristic of Ukraine. You’ll use the dearest training manual to update it, or else they’ll say slaughter on the Internet, and it’s already rare.
    5. Vlad_Mir
      Vlad_Mir 20 July 2013 13: 27 New
      +2
      If Ukraine signs an association agreement, will Rotterdam come right away? Ukraine, as always, traditionally chooses a new stall, not thinking much about sovereignty. The personal mercantile interest of the ruling elite has a higher priority than the interests of the state. We must learn to clean up after ourselves, not to crap in the entrances, etc. etc., and in the CIS countries (CU), too, "Rotterdam" will come!
      1. Ivanovic
        Ivanovic 20 July 2013 13: 32 New
        +1
        It doesn’t come right away, but it’s necessary to strive for this.
        1. Sevastopol
          Sevastopol 20 July 2013 13: 42 New
          +1
          What to strive for? To utopia? Not tired?
          1. Ivanovic
            Ivanovic 20 July 2013 13: 58 New
            -6
            For a better life, after all, people live. And without revolutions, experiments, wars, confrontations in society. There are plenty of examples. And I remember in 90, the last century, you said that you want it to be like in Poland. That’s already for years ten I say - yes I want.
            1. Gecko
              Gecko 20 July 2013 14: 09 New
              +8
              To do this, you must have iron eggs, and not a wide ass.
              1. Ivanovic
                Ivanovic 20 July 2013 14: 19 New
                -5
                Some are so accustomed to this before that they do not notice other ways.
              2. Sevastopol
                Sevastopol 20 July 2013 14: 37 New
                +2
                The fact of the matter is that there is no political force in Ukraine at all. Some wide assholes that pursue the interests of either 2-3 local oligarchs, or work out the money of the Germans or Amers. Well, there are still fascists, moreover, in the parliament and local authorities in the west. This is generally another story - the apotheosis of the insanity of this artificial country. I do not discuss the Communists of Ukraine, because everyone has long been convinced of their betrayal and venality. Choose among shit, excuse me, who is less crappy. And not who is the best.
              3. Alexander Romanov
                Alexander Romanov 20 July 2013 15: 21 New
                0
                Quote: gecko
                To do this, you must have iron eggs, and not a wide ass.

                + 100500, your message to Janek urgently laughing
            2. Sevastopol
              Sevastopol 20 July 2013 14: 28 New
              +2
              So what? We have European Africa instead of East European France. And as in Africa, so far, 2 clans are being killed, the rest are hired for pennies. And even theoretically there can be no changes, given the current structure of the country, as "non-independent". The EU is a myth. I don’t know who is doing this nonsense, designed for a short-sighted Selyuk. I don’t think that in European countries there are sheep who are ready to take under their wing more than 30 million army of parasites, the poor, with the wit of at least a good European swindler. Which are in debt to the ears. Or even higher. So they have their own blacks and Arabs with the Turks in excess. In this country, even if money is invested, it will be stolen. And then they’ll take it away again when the president changes. Etc.
              Again, there was a maidan. So what? Managed with Maidan, stupidly spread out like suckers people. Once again. Now Yanyk divorced - in the EU he wanted, and this is a spit in the face of his own electorate. This is not a country. This is a mockery of people.
            3. Alexander Romanov
              Alexander Romanov 20 July 2013 15: 20 New
              +1
              Quote: Ivanovic
              .And without revolutions, experiments, wars, confrontations in society.

              That you are in Ukraine without revolutions and experiments, I can no longer .... wassat wassat wassat
            4. Setrac
              Setrac 20 July 2013 20: 47 New
              +1
              Quote: Ivanovic
              For a better life, because people live.

              You will specify who these people are and they will tell you who they are robbing in the world trading system in order to "live the same."
        2. Gecko
          Gecko 20 July 2013 13: 53 New
          +1
          For more than twenty years you have been striving and we are witnessing regression, not progress.
          1. Ivanovic
            Ivanovic 20 July 2013 14: 08 New
            -4
            Quote: gecko
            For more than twenty years you have been striving
            and who said that someone is striving for somewhere. The tops don’t want, they’re so good. Yes and the “tops” remain the same, they just change the sign from time to time. Yes, and you and we need to share. You don’t have sugar either.
            1. Gecko
              Gecko 20 July 2013 14: 11 New
              0
              I don’t think that it’s worse here than in Europe or in the USA, and I’m not one of those who think that it is better where we are not. You can live everywhere - if you WORK, and not whine.
              1. Ivanovic
                Ivanovic 20 July 2013 14: 22 New
                -5
                I have a mother born in 1930, so she says that in general, now it's a fairy tale, not life. Everything is known in comparison.
                1. Gecko
                  Gecko 20 July 2013 14: 45 New
                  +2
                  We will communicate five years after your entry into the EU ...
                  1. Alexander Romanov
                    Alexander Romanov 20 July 2013 15: 24 New
                    0
                    Quote: gecko
                    We will communicate five years after your entry into the EU ...

                    May they not join the EU, whom to listen to here, individual dreamers. Whose history does not teach anything.
                    1. Misantrop
                      Misantrop 20 July 2013 15: 41 New
                      +2
                      Quote: Alexander Romanov
                      Yes, they will not join the EU

                      If you suddenly manage to enter, then after a couple of years they will begin to yell that it’s their damned mo ... and pushed laughing
                2. Alexander Romanov
                  Alexander Romanov 20 July 2013 15: 23 New
                  0
                  Quote: Ivanovic
                  I have a mother born 1930,

                  ohhh, dear so you already counted to retirement and ..... dream about Europe, well, well.
                  1. Andrey Skokovsky
                    Andrey Skokovsky 20 July 2013 18: 18 New
                    0
                    Quote: Alexander Romanov
                    Quote: Ivanovic
                    I have a mother born 1930,

                    ohhh, dear so you already counted to retirement and ..... dream about Europe, well, well.


                    maybe a man all his life wanted European values
                    almost waited and we want to trample his secret dream with boots, such nasty ....
                3. Misantrop
                  Misantrop 20 July 2013 15: 43 New
                  +1
                  Quote: Ivanovic
                  now a fairy tale, not life
                  Yeah, the further - the worse. And from every tree, the werewolf is looking ... laughing
        3. Alexander Romanov
          Alexander Romanov 20 July 2013 15: 19 New
          0
          Quote: Ivanovic
          It doesn’t come right away, but it’s necessary to strive for this.

          Wait a minute, 22 years ago you wanted to live like in the Storage, now you want to live like in Rotherdam, what’s next, like in Moscow laughing
          1. Ivanovic
            Ivanovic 20 July 2013 15: 25 New
            -1
            Just like all normal people live and the state should be for people, and not vice versa. And as I understand it, you do not strive to live better, it is not from knowing that you can live better.
            1. Alexander Romanov
              Alexander Romanov 20 July 2013 16: 31 New
              +3
              Quote: Ivanovic
              . And as I understand it, you do not strive to live better,

              It’s better to live like in Europe, God forbid from such a life yes
          2. Essenger
            Essenger 20 July 2013 15: 45 New
            +5
            Quote: Alexander Romanov
            Wait a minute, 22 years ago you wanted to live like in the Storage, now you want to live like in Roterdam


            So in Holland, living conditions are better than in France.
            1. Misantrop
              Misantrop 20 July 2013 15: 49 New
              0
              Quote: Essenger
              because in the Netherlands living conditions are better than in France.
              Have you had any frogs in your family? Nobody likes wood lice anymore, except wood lice (I don’t ask about wood lice in order not to offend)
              1. Essenger
                Essenger 20 July 2013 16: 30 New
                +3
                Quote: Misantrop
                Have you had any frogs in your family?

                I don’t even know what to answer.

                Where do you live?
            2. Alexander Romanov
              Alexander Romanov 20 July 2013 16: 33 New
              +1
              Quote: Essenger
              So in Holland, living conditions are better than in France.

              not what kind of people, pull one country out of 27 or 28 how many there are and give an example. What do you make such comparisons? Kazakhstan is generally in the CU, so you flew personally with the EU tongue
              1. Essenger
                Essenger 20 July 2013 16: 58 New
                +3
                Quote: Alexander Romanov
                pull out one country out of 27 or 28 how many there are and give an example.

                There are 28 of them. On July 1, Croatia joined. I did not give an example, I just clarified. In response, I received a question about relatives with frogs.

                Quote: Alexander Romanov
                Kazakhstan in general in the TS

                TS is Nazarbayev’s stupidity. This is not popular among the people, with the exception of the party of power and the Communists. Maximum percent 30. Democrats, socialists, nationalists / pan-Turkists, environmentalists and intelligentsia against the participation of Kazakhstan in the CU. And most probably the most important era of Nazarbayev is coming to an end.

                Quote: Alexander Romanov
                so you flew in person with the EU

                If you have me personally, then not everything is so simple.
                1. stalkerwalker
                  stalkerwalker 20 July 2013 18: 54 New
                  +4
                  Quote: Essenger
                  If you have me personally, then not everything is so simple.

                  Well, finally admitted .... laughing
                  1. Essenger
                    Essenger 20 July 2013 19: 06 New
                    +4
                    Quote: stalkerwalker
                    Well, finally admitted.

                    Admitted what? Already the third branch in which you want to "get me".
                2. Alexander Romanov
                  Alexander Romanov 21 July 2013 02: 31 New
                  +1
                  Quote: Essenger
                  In response, I received a question about relatives with frogs.

                  Well this is not from me. It’s just killing that, for example, put Holland smoked with grass, where there is a party of pedophiles and all kinds of perverts and bring this country up as you want to.
                  Quote: Essenger
                  TS is Nazarbayev’s stupidity.

                  TS is not only Nazarbayev, but also Putin and Lukoshenko (for now) Although they are not authorities for you, as I understand it. Well, Oland or Kaczynski is yes, the ideals of European civilization and prosperity.
                  Quote: Essenger
                  If you have me personally, then not everything is so simple.

                  I mean Kazakhstan, but fortunately everything is clear good But don't cry, you can immigrate wink
                  1. Essenger
                    Essenger 21 July 2013 15: 23 New
                    +2
                    Quote: Alexander Romanov
                    It’s just killing that, for example, put Holland smoked with grass, where there is a party of pedophiles and all kinds of perverts and bring this country up as you want to.

                    Once again, I did not set this country as an example to follow. I just clarified that the socio-economic indicators are higher than in France. Regarding whether it was smoked or not, I don’t know I was not there. There is no party of pedophiles; rather, there was a certain community of people who tried to register this party. If 17 million countries they could not collect 600 signatures for party registration, is this not to say that the Dutch society is healthy?

                    Quote: Alexander Romanov
                    TS is not only Nazarbayev, but also Putin and Lukoshenko (for now) Although they are not authorities for you, as I understand it.

                    Well, excuse me, I don’t like dictators.

                    Quote: Alexander Romanov
                    Well, Oland or Kaczynski, yes, the ideals of European civilization and prosperity

                    I think ideals or idols are the lot of children. I do not like to worship anyone. There is a politician whom I have the highest respect. This is Ron Paul. He greatly influenced my worldview and political views.

                    Quote: Alexander Romanov
                    I mean Kazakhstan, but fortunately everything is clear

                    As Nazarbayev leaves, so Kazakhstan will leave the CU.
                    1. stalkerwalker
                      stalkerwalker 21 July 2013 16: 14 New
                      +4
                      Quote: Essenger
                      Regarding whether it was smoked or not, I don’t know I was not there.

                      Why don’t you go, don’t look?
                      How to warm, it is better to see once ...
                      I visit the countries of the northwest Europe regularly (such a job).
                      I declare - "Potemkin village" in the moral and ethical aspect.
                      1. Essenger
                        Essenger 21 July 2013 16: 26 New
                        +4
                        Quote: stalkerwalker
                        How to warm, it is better to see once ...

                        I agree, Inshallah will visit

                        Quote: stalkerwalker
                        I visit the countries of the northwest Europe regularly (such work)

                        I would have such a job wink
                      2. stalkerwalker
                        stalkerwalker 21 July 2013 16: 58 New
                        +3
                        Quote: Essenger
                        I would have such a job

                        And what, in Kazakhstan they do not teach sailors?
          3. stalkerwalker
            stalkerwalker 20 July 2013 18: 52 New
            +4
            Quote: Essenger
            So in Holland, living conditions are better than in France.

            Dutch lovers of "leaky love" better than French?
            Or because Holland is “ahead of the rest” in terms of the number of IZV.R.a.sh.e.ts.ev.ev all kinds and calibers?
            1. Essenger
              Essenger 20 July 2013 19: 12 New
              +5
              Quote: stalkerwalker
              that Holland is “ahead of the rest” in number I.Z.V.R.a.shch.En.ts..e.v. all types and calibers

              This question never bothered me. Why did you touch on this topic? belay
              1. Alexander Romanov
                Alexander Romanov 21 July 2013 02: 34 New
                +2
                Quote: Essenger
                This question never bothered me.

                When your son comes home and brings a male bride with him, you probably won’t care either lol The degradation of society begins with morality.
                1. Essenger
                  Essenger 21 July 2013 15: 26 New
                  +4
                  wait and see
        4. Misantrop
          Misantrop 20 July 2013 15: 47 New
          0
          Quote: Alexander Romanov
          22 years ago you wanted to live, as in the Storage, now you want to live, as in Roterdam, that the next may, as in Moscow
          The following will simply LIVE ... without geographical reference ...
    6. Sevastopol
      Sevastopol 20 July 2013 13: 40 New
      0
      The Association Agreement with the EU, along with such "Europeans" as Chile, Morocco and others, even has Palestine, which is not a state at all. This is a purely declarative piece of paper for the joy of naive and, frankly, shitty Svidomo idiots who think that Ukraine will one day, or even soon, join the EU.
      1. Essenger
        Essenger 20 July 2013 17: 03 New
        +4
        Quote: Sevastopolets
        Along with such "Europeans" as Chile, Morocco and others, even Palestine has

        I will not say anything about Morocco and Palestine. But Chile is a country of white immigrants, descendants of the Spaniards, Italians and Germans.
        1. Misantrop
          Misantrop 20 July 2013 21: 32 New
          +2
          Quote: Essenger
          Chile is a country of white immigrants, descendants of the Spaniards, Italians and Germans.
          Did these immigrants come to an empty place? What about the native population, does it agree that Chile is a European country? Or is the opinion of these people not interested in anyone? Kazakhs with their originality must be respected, the Indians will smack, right?
          1. Essenger
            Essenger 20 July 2013 22: 08 New
            +2
            You did not answer the question where do you live?

            Quote: Misantrop
            Kazakhs with their originality must be respected,

            Would you like to destroy the Kazakhs?

            At the expense of the Indians, I certainly feel sorry for them. Unfortunately they could not resist the colonialists. Well, what can you do?
            1. Misantrop
              Misantrop 20 July 2013 22: 40 New
              +1
              Quote: Essenger
              Would you like to destroy the Kazakhs?
              Have I even hinted at it somewhere? I’m just wondering, do you think that only those nations that have managed to “resist the colonialists” deserve careful attention? And is it necessary to take into account the methods of colonization? But then, if the Slavs used the "advanced methods of the colonizers of enlightened Europe" to expand the territory of the state, now there would be little left of the Kazakhs ... Or are there doubts?

              And I live in Crimea. A very MULTI-national enclave, which is why it became interesting your opinion on WHOSE EXACTLY opinion should be taken into account when determining the civilizational choice of a state. And who can I give a damn about, stating that:
              Quote: Essenger
              I certainly feel sorry for them. Unfortunately they could not resist the colonialists. Well, what can you do?


              By the way, the question of frogs is for the same reason. I know firsthand how exactly the steppe climate differs from the coastal. Holland, with all its advantages, is a country of continuous canals, which has conquered a significant part of its territory from the sea. And the dampness there is simply prohibitive, and how is it perceived in the cold period ... Or are you only interested in the advantages of the Dutch lifestyle?
              1. Essenger
                Essenger 21 July 2013 00: 52 New
                +2
                Quote: Misantrop
                Do you think that only those nations that have managed to “resist the colonialists” deserve careful attention?

                I don’t think so, I meant that the number of whites in Chile is more than 70 percent, because of this I can assume that this is a Western and "European" country.

                Quote: Misantrop
                But then, if the Slavs used the "advanced methods of the colonizers of enlightened Europe" to expand the territory of the state, now there would be little left of the Kazakhs ...

                The very fact of the recognition of colonization is already progress.

                Regarding Holland, when I wrote the living conditions, I had in mind the socio-economic indicators. I appealed to the figures, GDP per capita in the Netherlands is greater than in France.
                1. Alexander Romanov
                  Alexander Romanov 21 July 2013 02: 38 New
                  +1
                  Quote: Essenger
                  I appealed to the figures, GDP per capita in the Netherlands is greater than in France.

                  They wanted to take the plank a la France in 91, they didn’t. Set a new goal - Holland wassat
                2. Misantrop
                  Misantrop 21 July 2013 15: 33 New
                  +2
                  Quote: Essenger
                  The very fact of the recognition of colonization is already progress.
                  Consider yourself a Papuan? Your right request
                  Quote: Essenger
                  I appealed to the figures, GDP per capita in the Netherlands is greater than in France.

                  Two ways - to raise GDP or ... reduce the population. At the expense of those who do not fit into the criteria of "European choice." At the same time, the ratio will improve in favor of those who please ...
                  1. Essenger
                    Essenger 21 July 2013 16: 14 New
                    +1
                    Quote: Misantrop
                    Consider yourself a Papuan? Your right

                    Rather, I think that we were colonized.
                    1. Misantrop
                      Misantrop 21 July 2013 20: 38 New
                      0
                      Quote: Essenger
                      I rather think that we were colonized
                      Well then, scatter under the bench. None of the white sahibs will seriously discuss such issues with either furniture or pets ... request
                      This, if you did not know, is called classical COLONIZATION, according to European standards. Is this not familiar to you? I sympathize, but the Slavs were always famous for not being able to put the new peoples of the Empire in the proper stall ... Everyone tried to see PEOPLE in them ... request
                    2. Essenger
                      Essenger 21 July 2013 22: 58 New
                      +5
                      I was correct in relation to YOU. I did not start this topic, I did not give any analogies about Indians and Kazakhs. It started YOU. First I asked about relatives with frogs, swallowed. Then compared with the Papuan. Now send me like a cat. You still have the audacity to compare me with furniture and animals. Let me be banned and you would not go on?
                    3. Misantrop
                      Misantrop 22 July 2013 00: 52 New
                      -1
                      Quote: Essenger
                      Now send me like a cat. You still have the audacity to compare me with furniture and animals.

                      Quote: Essenger
                      I rather think that we colonized.

                      Quote: Essenger
                      Recognition fact colonization

                      And I just showed you HOW the colonialists relate to those whom they COLONIZED, to indigenous peoples. DID NOT LIKEstarted hysteria? So it’s - only words. And if there were ACTIONS? You need to think before calling your nation a victim of terror. Desirable - head.
                      Quote: Essenger
                      but YOU would not go on

                      GO YOU and think while you walk ...
                    4. Essenger
                      Essenger 22 July 2013 02: 09 New
                      +4
                      Quote: Misantrop
                      And if there were ACTION?

                      Well try the answer will be adequate
                    5. Misantrop
                      Misantrop 22 July 2013 09: 56 New
                      -1
                      Quote: Essenger
                      Well try the answer will be adequate
                      It seems that there is no adequacy now. Let’s take a look at what COLONIZATION is all about. Without even taking the countries that are distant on the globe. The inhabitants of Great Britain are called Anglo-Saxons. Angles - is, but WHERE are the Saxons (who gave part of the name of this people)? They are NOT destroyed physically. Where Slavic tribes and peoples who inhabited the lands of modern Germany? Similarly. And the Transcarpathian Rusyns, from whom the miserable remnants of the not so small people have recently remained? By historical standards, almost yesterday they were physically destroyed, including in specially designed concentration camps. Last attempt colonization Nazi Germany undertook the lands of the USSR. Their methods to recall? In your opinion, blaming the Slavs for the COLONIZATION of Kazakhstan is called
                      Quote: Essenger
                      I was correct
                      Only the representative of the national diaspora has the right to take offense, are the Slavs obliged to remain silent and once again wipe themselves off? Will not work
                    6. Essenger
                      Essenger 22 July 2013 12: 23 New
                      +4
                      Quote: Misantrop
                      Only the representative of the national diaspora has the right to be offended,

                      What are you driving? What kind of representative of the diaspora? Am I on the territory of the Russian Federation?
  • Tersky
    Tersky 20 July 2013 22: 23 New
    +4
    Quote: Essenger
    But Chile is a country of white immigrants, descendants of the Spaniards, Italians and Germans.

    belay .. well, just purebred coalers, carabinieri and Aryans, and most importantly they are so similar ..:
    1. Essenger
      Essenger 21 July 2013 01: 05 New
      +4
      I meant that the number of whites in Chile is more than 70 percent, because of this I can assume that this is a Western and "European" country

      We have 25 percent of the population are representatives of European / white people as peoples, but this does not mean that we are a White or "European" country. We are an Asian country because the majority of the population is Asians.

      I, too, can put a picture of a Russian / Ukrainian / Pole / Jew / German living in Kazakhstan and joke what kind of Asians are we? we are Europeans, etc.
      1. Misantrop
        Misantrop 21 July 2013 20: 44 New
        0
        Quote: Essenger
        the number of whites in Chile is more than 70 percent, because of this I can assume that this is a Western and "European" country

        Have you ever seen a globe? On the territory of the European continent, at least the slightest concept exists? And the fact that it is part of Eurasia? And where exactly does the border go?
        1. Essenger
          Essenger 21 July 2013 23: 22 New
          +4
          Can you read? There is the word European in quotation marks. I know geography better than you.
          1. Misantrop
            Misantrop 22 July 2013 00: 53 New
            0
            Quote: Essenger
            I know geography better than you

            Noticeably laughing
  • Alexander Romanov
    Alexander Romanov 21 July 2013 02: 37 New
    +1
    Quote: Essenger
    But Chile is a country of white immigrants, descendants of the Spaniards, Italians and Germans.

    Oh, yes, these migrants come to us from time to time with their European values, though then half the world is in ruins. What and who good they brought. Not biased if possible wink
    1. Essenger
      Essenger 22 July 2013 00: 31 New
      +3
      If you do not like migrants, then why not expel? This is an internal matter of the Russian Federation, but in my competence to comment. I do not meddle in the internal affairs of other countries.
  • Arrogant
    Arrogant 20 July 2013 16: 43 New
    +1
    Rotherdam and the Tver region were not compared. The question in Tver will be worse, but for example, Yamalo-Nenets Autonomous Okrug or Khanty-Mansi Autonomous Okrug can be compared with some kind of delayed Romanian or Polish county and I’m not sure that in my comparison a successful geyropa will be more attractive.
    In the photo is Noyabrsk.
  • Setrac
    Setrac 20 July 2013 20: 26 New
    +1
    Quote: Ivanovic
    .Just need to compare the standard of living in the EU and the CU

    In EU countries, the standard of living is different, I assure you Ukraine will not become the second France, but rather will be a big Latvia.
  • Semen Semyonitch
    Semen Semyonitch 21 July 2013 02: 16 New
    +1
    Quote: Ivanovic
    I can’t understand all these speculations where Ukraine should join the EU or the TS. Yes, and if you sort it out, then there’s nothing and nothing. You just need to compare the standard of living in the EU and the CU, and who doesn’t get the paper on paper to organize an excursion to Tverskaya I’ve been there under Rotterdam too, the same discussion has recently disappeared. And Russia doesn’t need to “hook the fifth wheel and carts” to invent its own, special thing, but also strive for European standards and EU accession,

    IN ROTTERDAM, say? No-eee ... In Tver, this is definitely not ...
  • MG42
    MG42 20 July 2013 13: 21 New
    +2
    Judging by the latest statements, the Ukrainian. top officials will sign an association with the EU and at the same time try to sit on 2 chairs while maintaining observer status in the Customs Union and good relations with Russia ..
    Where is Ukraine integrating? To EU or CU?
    1. Sevastopol
      Sevastopol 20 July 2013 13: 25 New
      +3
      Remember the joke about the monkey? which couldn’t decide in any way, smart or beautiful. same here.
      1. MG42
        MG42 20 July 2013 13: 36 New
        +3
        Apparently, the monkey has already decided, just need to make a good face with a bad game ...
  • MG42
    MG42 20 July 2013 13: 25 New
    +2
    From the website of the ruling party in power - Party of Regions of the PR >>

    From the first days of his presidency, the incumbent Head of State, Viktor Yanukovych, gave a clear signal - European integration and the conclusion of an Association Agreement with the EU are Ukraine’s strategic priority. The President is sure that the very idea and proximity of association with the EU are the most important incentive for internal state transformations.
    “This is not an end in itself or an artificial demand, but a natural need, which we recognize as a real European state,” the President of Ukraine believes.
    Viktor Yanukovych is deeply convinced: without the harmonization of national legislation with European legislation, the successful operation of enterprises and the marketing of products on world markets is impossible.
    The Prime Minister of Ukraine Mykola Azarov is confident that the countries of the European Union, their diplomatic missions in Ukraine will provide the necessary assistance in signing the Association Agreement. “This document is strategic for our country, and European integration remains a priority for the Government.”
    The Prime Minister of Ukraine Mykola Azarov is confident that the countries of the European Union, their diplomatic missions in Ukraine will provide the necessary assistance in signing the Association Agreement. “This document is strategic for our country, and European integration remains a priority for the Government.”
    At the same time, Verkhovna Rada Chairman Volodymyr Rybak considers the issue of European integration a powerful consolidating factor for the entire Ukrainian society. “The irreversibility of Ukraine’s European choice is beyond doubt. The European integration reforms that our country is implementing are of great importance for internal development, ”said the Chairman of BP.
    The fact that the Association Agreement can be signed in 2013 was announced by the Minister of Foreign Affairs Leonid Kozhara. “At most meetings with the European commissioners in the European Parliament, I felt a great interest in having the Agreement signed this year,” the head of the foreign ministry said.
    Speaking about the integration of Ukraine into the EU, Leonid Kozhara stated that the main goal of Ukraine is the introduction of European standards.
    Vice Prime Minister of Ukraine Kostyantyn Gryshchenko called on the involved agencies to speed up the finalization of the draft laws on liberalization of the visa regime with the European Union and focus on their support when considering the Verkhovna Rada. “Today, virtually all parliamentary forces declare their allegiance to the European integration course. Already in the first days of the second session of the Verkhovna Rada, they get a good opportunity to confirm this in practice by ensuring the prompt adoption of the bills necessary for liberalizing the visa regime, ”said Konstantin Grishchenko. At the same time, he expressed the hope that the European side will closely and effectively cooperate with the Ukrainian authorities in the process of implementing the Action Plan. “We hope that our partners in the EU will proceed from the fact that the abolition of visas for Ukrainians will symbolize the resumption of the historical unity of a large European home,” the Vice Prime Minister added.

    - See more at: http://partyofregions.ua/news/topic/511d16f53fcad0bb730000e6#sthash.1PURAlCp.dpu

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  • MG42
    MG42 20 July 2013 13: 30 New
    +2
    People’s deputy, member of the parliamentary faction of the PARTY OF REGIONS, chairman of the permanent parliamentary delegation to PACE, Ivan Popescu is also confident that the signing of the Association Agreement may take place in November this year.
    “We have the political will to sign these agreements during the summit in Vilnius in November this year. If we compare the situation that was in the early fall during the election campaign, it has changed significantly, because we not only received a clear signal that we will sign these agreements in the near future, but also received a time frame. That is, we have specific signals and, in principle, we are ready to fulfill all this, ”the politician summed up.
    President of Ukraine Viktor Yanukovych enacted the decision of the National Security and Defense Council of Ukraine of March 12, 2013 “On urgent measures for the European integration of Ukraine”. This is stated in the relevant decree of the Head of State.
    In particular, the President instructed the Secretary of the National Security and Defense Council of Ukraine to ensure the coherence of the activities of the central executive bodies in the field of European integration of Ukraine and interaction with the institutions of the European Union. Monitoring the implementation of the decision of the National Security and Defense Council of Ukraine, enforced by decree of the President, will be entrusted to the Secretary of the National Security and Defense Council of Ukraine.

    COUNCIL OF NATIONAL
    SECURITY AND DEFENSE OF UKRAINE
    SOLUTION
    from 12 March 2013 of the year
    On urgent measures for European integration of Ukraine

    In order to ensure the further development of strategic partnership between Ukraine and the European Union, its member states on the basis of political association and economic integration, the completion in 2013 of the process of concluding the Association Agreement between Ukraine and the European Union and its subsequent implementation, as well as the implementation of the agreements reached in during the 16th Ukraine-European Union Summit, the National Security and Defense Council of Ukraine decided:
    1. The Cabinet of Ministers of Ukraine:
    1) take measures to ensure the adoption of legislative and other regulatory acts envisaged by the Action Plan for the liberalization of the visa regime for Ukraine by the European Union, as well as the preparation and submission to the European Commission of the third report of Ukraine on Ukraine’s implementation of the said Action Plan;
    2) provide:
    a) monthly informing the European Union of measures taken by Ukraine to ensure the necessary conditions for signing the Association Agreement between Ukraine and the European Union in 2013, including taking into account the Conclusions of the Council of Foreign Ministers of the European Union of December 10, 2012;

    - See more at: http://partyofregions.ua/news/topic/511d16f53fcad0bb730000e6#sthash.1PURAlCp.dpu
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  • MG42
    MG42 20 July 2013 13: 34 New
    +1
    The National Security and Defense Council of Ukraine decided to intensify work on Ukraine’s European integration, including on the implementation of the agreements reached during the 16th Ukraine-EU Summit. This was stated by the Secretary of the National Security and Defense Council of Ukraine Andriy Klyuyev.
    According to him, the National Security and Defense Council outlined the urgent urgent measures that the Ukrainian authorities should conduct in the near future.
    Andriy Klyuyev noted that according to the decision of the National Security and Defense Council, the Cabinet of Ministers of Ukraine should make efforts to accelerate the adoption of legislative and other regulatory acts provided for in the Action Plan regarding the liberalization of the visa regime for Ukraine by the European Union.
    Press service of the PARTY OF REGIONS
    ***
    Leonid Kozhara: Association Agreement with the EU is a matter of strategic importance for Ukraine
    The Minister of Foreign Affairs of Ukraine Leonid Kozhara emphasized that the Association Agreement with the EU is a matter of strategic importance for Ukraine. He expressed this opinion on Monday in Brussels during a meeting of the Committee on Foreign Affairs of the European Parliament, Interfax-Ukraine reports.
    “An association agreement is a matter of strategic importance. We know what needs to be done, and it will be done ... for Ukrainian people who deserve a better future. We will move forward, and I believe that we will do this together with the European Parliament, ”the Minister emphasized.
    The head of the Ukrainian foreign ministry also assured those present that, despite "a different vision of the internal agenda, the opposition and the Government are united in understanding the importance of signing the Agreement this year." “We have intensified our efforts to implement the agenda, which was approved at the Ukraine-EU summit in February,” he stressed.
    In this regard, Leonid Kozhara elaborated on the reforms being carried out in Ukraine, in particular, in the sphere of the judicial system and the prosecutor's office. He also expressed confidence that in the near future an agreement will be reached between Ukraine and the International Monetary Fund.
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    - See more at: http://partyofregions.ua/news/topic/511d16f53fcad0bb730000e6#sthash.1PURAlCp.dpu
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  • MG42
    MG42 20 July 2013 13: 40 New
    +2
    Viktor Yanukovych: The signing of the Association Agreement and the creation of a free trade zone between Ukraine and the EU should take place in November
    The signing of the Association Agreement and the creation of a free trade zone between Ukraine and the EU should take place during the Eastern Partnership Summit in Vilnius in November. Such a conviction was expressed by President of Ukraine Viktor Yanukovych during a meeting with the Minister of Foreign Affairs of the Republic of Poland Radoslav Sikorsky, Minister of Foreign Affairs of the Republic of Lithuania Linas Linkevicius, Minister of Foreign Affairs of the Kingdom of the Netherlands France Timmermans and Minister of European Affairs of the Kingdom of Denmark Nikolai Wammen.
    “I am convinced that our efforts will lead to success. We hope that in November an agreement on association and creation of a free trade zone will be signed in Vilnius, ”the Head of State emphasized.
    He noted that Ukraine appreciates the help of its European partners in matters of integration into the EU.

    Sergiy Tigipko: Ukraine needs to sign an Association Agreement with the European Union
    The signing of the Association Agreement and the Free Trade Area with the European Union is a necessary element of Ukraine’s pragmatic foreign policy. This was stated by the People’s Deputy, member of the parliamentary faction of the PARTY OF REGIONS, Deputy Chairman of the PR Sergey Tigipko on the air of the Shuster Live program on Inter TV channel.
    “We must take a step towards signing the Association Agreement and the free trade zone. It will be pragmatic on our part, Ukraine needs this, ”said Sergey Tigipko during the discussion on the choice between the European vector of our country's foreign policy and accession to the Customs Union.
    The MP said that the signing of the agreement, which includes a free trade zone, will open up a huge and solvent market for Ukrainian producers.
    “According to studies, the creation of an FTZ with the European Union in the long term will improve the well-being of Ukraine by more than 11%. But the main thing is that by signing this agreement, we commit ourselves to reform. This is what the country needs: to change the judicial system, fight corruption and much more, ”he stressed.
    The parliamentarian also said that the EU and the CU have their pros and cons. So, in the countries of the Customs Union there are problems with democracy and the investment climate, and EU countries need reforms, in particular, budgetary policies.
    - See more at: http://partyofregions.ua/news/topic/511d16f53fcad0bb730000e6#sthash.1PURAlCp.dpu

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  • washi
    washi 20 July 2013 14: 01 New
    0
    DO NOT OVERLOOK TO TAKE IN THE CU.
    They are not ripe yet.
    So far, only Poland has come upon them personally. We look forward to further.
    Of course I feel sorry for my own, but there are enough prostitutes on my Bolotnaya. And these for the loot regularly rally.
    To read the story, the citizens of Okraintsev are not better than pscheks. Where it is advantageous to go there (Russian residents of Little Russia - sorry, not YOU mean). Though ....
    There are works by Lenin, Stalin. Read and EVERYTHING is in your hands.
  • georg737577
    georg737577 20 July 2013 14: 14 New
    0
    It’s absolutely unimportant to the person who is being robbed by pointing the barrel at him — AK or M16 ..
    1. Sevastopol
      Sevastopol 20 July 2013 14: 52 New
      +1
      More milestones of Ukrainian citizens are plundered by its own leaders, no matter what parties they represent. This country generally exists only because it is possible to raise taxes a little more, and to squeeze some more money out of the people. And as soon as this opportunity comes to naught - this state will not become. Because NOBODY and NEVER thought in power how to improve the standard of living of the local population. What for? After all, there is no way to be in time. Anyway, tomorrow new ones will come and all the loot will be robbed back. It’s even easier to take a loan to stay in power for 5 years, well, and transfer your family to offshore, buy an estate in London. All. The aspirations of any politicians in Ukraine end there. What can I say, if the current president was sitting, the former prime minister was sitting, recently the Minister of the Interior was sitting and now the former prime minister is sitting. This is not even a shame. You can’t even find words for this.
    2. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 21 July 2013 02: 40 New
      -1
      Quote: georg737577
      The man who is robbed, pointing the barrel at him

      Again, Russia is robbing Ukraine, it’s even reaching senility. Maybe you can come up with something new?
  • Gecko
    Gecko 20 July 2013 14: 16 New
    -1
    Well, Georgia - we have finally punished the eternal political prostitute, knocked down megalomania from her, and then for centuries everyone has lisped with her. Next in turn is another prostitute ...
  • Ivanovic
    Ivanovic 20 July 2013 14: 45 New
    -8
    Some kind of substantive conversation has already begun, all around, although they didn’t differ in objectivity either - they won’t accept it, it will be worse and who needs us. We just need to be courageous and face it - Ukraine’s entry into the EU is beneficial Ukraine and Ukrainians, improvements will not immediately come, but the main thing will be the prospect. And now the question is, who is not profitable and why this debate is for Russia, which considers itself special, the main thing is why, and begins to come up with some kind of TS that all things being equal, be a little “more equal.” And most importantly, what if in Ukraine, in the EU, things go ut it’s good how to fool your people then. Otherwise, such a concern on the part of Russia is explained. Yes, and the prospect of ourselves, without neighbors, remaining up to the neck in r ... e, the same scares many.
    1. Gecko
      Gecko 20 July 2013 14: 58 New
      0
      Read at least this work, and do not proceed from unsubstantiated statements; if everything is good in Europe then this will also be the case with us.
      You gentlemen, Ukrainians have argued that if you disconnect from the USSR you will ride like cheese in oil, 22 years have passed ... All that was created back in the Soviet Union and you threw presentations about expensive gas was thrown away, gas is sold to you at market prices, it won’t 50 usd each as before, you had to follow the bazaar ...
      You will never live in Poland, and the point, your mentality is different ...
    2. Sevastopol
      Sevastopol 20 July 2013 15: 01 New
      +2
      I’ll clarify again. The entry of Ukraine into the EU is an exclusively political bluff for bargaining with Russia on the part of the EU and Ukraine. This is an even greater utopia than the achievement of communism on a planetary scale.
    3. stalkerwalker
      stalkerwalker 20 July 2013 18: 59 New
      +3
      Quote: Ivanovic
      Ukraine joining the EU is beneficial for Ukraine and Ukrainians

      The blind man said: "Let's see ..."
      Quote: Ivanovic
      improvements will not come immediately, but they will come

      And this grandmother said in two ...
      Quote: Ivanovic
      And the main thing will be the prospect

      I envy you - you are an incorrigible optimist ...
    4. evil hamster
      evil hamster 21 July 2013 14: 35 New
      +1
      Quote: Ivanovic
      And most importantly, what if suddenly in Ukraine, in the EU, things will go well, how then to fool their people.
      - And it’s tin, and aliens will fly into a friend and a permanent abode will come to the ridge and independence and in general there will be a city garden!
  • DAOSS
    DAOSS 20 July 2013 14: 47 New
    -5
    "Forcing friendship" Afiget !!! So we will not agree, gentlemen, Russians.
    1. Gecko
      Gecko 20 July 2013 15: 04 New
      +1
      You do not want to create a TS as partners and brothers and increase the welfare of all partners ...
      You, as an ingratiating dog, are clinging to the owner’s hand (Europe) to throw a bone for you ...
      You behave like lifelong servants, and have not gained self-esteem, and you don’t agree with overlords ...
      1. Ivanovic
        Ivanovic 20 July 2013 15: 12 New
        -10
        So I didn’t understand anything, all ambitions interfere, we are not like everyone else, we are special. Bluff, we are all the same and in Europe it has long been recognized and the EU was created on this principle, unlike the CU where one is a little bit “more equal” than the others. And Russia needs to cast aside these "imperial" manners and also seeks to join the EU. From this, the EU and Russia will benefit.
        1. Alexander Romanov
          Alexander Romanov 20 July 2013 15: 30 New
          +1
          Quote: Ivanovic
          and the EU was created on this principle, in contrast to the CU where one is a little "more equal" than the others

          That's what you're lying ah? And to whom?
        2. Misantrop
          Misantrop 20 July 2013 15: 36 New
          +1
          Quote: Ivanovic
          Bluff, we are all the same in Europe
          Tell that to a German who feeds dozens of “refugees” who are freeloaders from his salary. Here he will be happy ... laughing And at the same time, check whether he already bought paranja for his wife. It is so that everyone looks the same lol Personally, not by mail. Interesting, have time to escape? laughing
        3. MG42
          MG42 20 July 2013 16: 09 New
          +5
          Quote: Ivanovic
          And Russia needs to cast aside these "imperial" ways and also seeks to join the EU. From this, the EU and Russia will benefit.

          laughing Have you tried to watch the globe? How can Russia join the EU if most of it from the Urals is in Asia? Sheer nonsense. If now they form the Eurasian Union on the basis of the union of Russia, Kazakhstan and Belarus and relying on the CU, what could be the EU?
          Russia = it is a <big elephant> which will simply destroy a small European <ware shop>.
          1. Alexander Romanov
            Alexander Romanov 20 July 2013 16: 36 New
            +4
            Quote: MG42
            Have you tried to watch the globe?

            well, you got hooked. the man didn’t go further than Lviv laughing
          2. regsSSSR
            regsSSSR 20 July 2013 16: 53 New
            +2
            Quote: MG42
            Quote: Ivanovic
            And Russia needs to cast aside these "imperial" ways and also seeks to join the EU. From this, the EU and Russia will benefit.

            laughing Have you tried to watch the globe? How can Russia join the EU if most of it from the Urals is in Asia? Sheer nonsense. If now they form the Eurasian Union on the basis of the union of Russia, Kazakhstan and Belarus and relying on the CU, what could be the EU?
            Russia = it is a <big elephant> which will simply destroy a small European <ware shop>.


            everything is right, our geographical location and natural wealth over time will allow us to create an alliance much stronger than the small EU; it just takes time and we just have no reason to crawl with all this state farm into the EU ! compared with the elephant in the shop very appropriate pleased smile hi
        4. regsSSSR
          regsSSSR 20 July 2013 16: 33 New
          +1
          Quote: Ivanovic
          So I didn’t understand anything, all ambitions interfere, we are not like everyone else, we are special. Bluff, we are all the same and in Europe it has long been recognized and the EU was created on this principle, unlike the CU where one is a little bit “more equal” than the others. And Russia needs to cast aside these "imperial" manners and also seeks to join the EU. From this, the EU and Russia will benefit.


          WHERE? WHERE? Russia needs to join the EU belay you just think what lepish !! maybe we still and in NATO to join and at the same time still the whole country in a gay club will sign up for joy amers belay am here it is twenty-year-old corruptive entrapment of the zapoda manifests itself, but AMBITIONS DO NOT DISTURB US, they help us to end up slid into the tolerant abyss! and what kind of ambitsia are we talking about WHEN UKRAINE IS PART OF OUR HISTORICAL HOMELAND AND NOT AS A EUROPEAN hi!!!! here we are fighting for her!
        5. Alexander Romanov
          Alexander Romanov 20 July 2013 16: 35 New
          0
          Quote: Ivanovic
          . And Russia needs to cast aside these "imperial" ways and also seeks to join the EU. From this, the EU and Russia will benefit.

          By the way, fire, plunge into the EU yourself and even separately from Ukraine. Cyprus had one of the strongest currencies in the world before getting into the EU, and now there is the EU wassat
        6. evil hamster
          evil hamster 21 July 2013 14: 44 New
          0
          It’s not that we are tormenting ourselves with imperial ambitions, we have been tormented for 1000 years, and we are tormented as much. Well, let's join the EU - it is already ridiculous in itself, and the process I feel will be even funnier.
    2. Setrac
      Setrac 20 July 2013 20: 54 New
      +1
      Quote: DAOSS
      So we will not agree, gentlemen, Russians.

      The time of contracts has passed, now they set the conditions for you, agree with equals.
      1. Alexander Romanov
        Alexander Romanov 21 July 2013 02: 43 New
        0
        Quote: Setrac
        Now they set conditions for you, agree with equals

        Russia makes an offer-Want to TS, welcome, no, go to the stump. From the EU, one condition is true.
  • Sevastopol
    Sevastopol 20 July 2013 14: 56 New
    +4
    But do you agree with traitors? And do not sign here for the whole country. I believe that Crimea is generally occupied by the Ukrainian authorities, whose goal is only one - to survive the Russian population from this territory, well, or gradually turn it into traitors like themselves.
    1. Ivanovic
      Ivanovic 20 July 2013 15: 02 New
      -10
      Who betrayed you, wife, lover, sympathizing children. And on the account of the "occupation", the Chechens also considered themselves occupied, but that did not stop them from bombing.
      1. Gecko
        Gecko 20 July 2013 15: 07 New
        +2
        Remind about Crimean Tatars? Can you also return all the lands of Turkey? How many occupied lands of other states did you get? Maybe you’ll also return everything to everyone unhappy, huh?
        1. Ivanovic
          Ivanovic 20 July 2013 15: 18 New
          -5
          It began, what is it all about?
          1. regsSSSR
            regsSSSR 20 July 2013 17: 21 New
            0
            Quote: Ivanovic
            It began, what is it all about?


            and all this to the fact that if you really like in EU tyk collect a bag and a tablecloth the road you personally someone is uncontrollable hi and to warrant people proving the opposite of nefig, you are still held by units even in your homeland (in the main, the allegorical system and Natsik smile) and believe me, well, even in the economic perspective, Ukraine will have nothing good in the EU !! Unification with the EU will mean continued entry into NATO and the adoption of all the rules of the game zapoda! therefore, entry into the EU will mean actually a WAR (east and west) disagreeing with such a historical perspective and CRIMEA you just then unseen how your ears !!
      2. Sevastopol
        Sevastopol 20 July 2013 15: 13 New
        +1
        Yeah Ukraine who will bomb Crimea? Yes, she can only bomb accounts bank - nothing more.
      3. Alexander Romanov
        Alexander Romanov 20 July 2013 15: 29 New
        +2
        Quote: Ivanovic
        .At the expense of "occupation", the Chechens also considered themselves occupied, but this did not stop them from being bombed.

        Yes, you are after 91 all victims of occupation. The invaders only trained you and built factories. In 80, the inhabitants of Ukraine themselves would have beaten anyone who called Russia an occupier.
      4. Misantrop
        Misantrop 20 July 2013 15: 34 New
        +1
        Quote: Ivanovic
        Chechens also considered themselves occupied, but this did not stop them from being bombed.
        A bombed Chechens or Militants? Or is it for you synonyms? And now they continue to bomb? It seems that the Chechens have not yet ended in their bulk (in contrast to the reconnaissance bases of armed groups). Why then did the bombing stop?
        1. Cpa
          Cpa 20 July 2013 22: 51 New
          -1
          The Chechens are the third largest people in Russia, it does not seem like occupied ones. The USSR gave all republics the opportunity to revive their ethnic self and national pride. Now all peoples are boasting about their language, ethnic uniqueness, folklore, the question is who developed all this? Who encouraged? at the beginning of the century there was no one to write in the native languages ​​of small nations. Not only in Latin, Arabic, but also in Cyrillic! There was complete illiteracy!
          Now, with all their originality, they poke Russia in the face!
          1. Tersky
            Tersky 20 July 2013 23: 27 New
            +4
            Quote: KPA
            Chechens are the third largest people in Russia

            ? belay ? You haven’t mixed up anything .. Russians (including Cossacks, Pomors) (79,83%);
            2. Tatars (including Kryashes, Siberian Tatars, Astrakhan Tatars) (3,82%);
            3. Ukrainians (2,02%);
            4. Bashkirs (1,85%);
            5. Chuvashs (1,12%);
            6. Chechens (including Akkin Chechens) (0,93%);
            7. Armenians (0,78%);
            8. Mordva (including Mordva-Moksha, Mordva-Erzya) (0,58%);
            9. Avars (including Ando-Tse ethnic groups and Archinians) (0,56%);
            10. Belarusians (0,55%);
            11. Kazakhs (0,45%);
            12. Udmurts (0,44%);
            13. Azerbaijanis (0,43%);
            14. Mari (including mountain Mari, meadow-eastern Mari) (0,42%);
            15. Germans (0,41%);
            16. Kabardins (0,36%);
            17. Ossetians (including digoron (Digorians), iron (Ironians)) (0,35%);
            18. Dargins (including Kaitagians, Kubachins) (0,35%);
            19. Buryats (0,31%);
            20. Yakuts (saha) (0,3%);
            21. Kumyks (0,29%);
            22. Ingush (0,28%);
            23. Lezgins (0,28%);
            24. Komi (including Komi-Izhemtsy) (0,2%);
            25. Tuvans (Tuva) (including Tojins) (0,17%);
            26. Jews (0,16%);
            27. Georgians (including Adzharians, Ingiloys, Lazs, Mingrelians, Svans) (0,14%);
            28. Karachaevtsy (0,13%);
            29. Gypsies (0,13%);
            30. Kalmyks (0,12%);
            31. Moldova (0,12%);
            32. Laks (0,11%);
            33. Koreans (0,1%);
            34. Cossacks (0,1%);
            35. Tabasarans (0,09%);
            36. Adygei (0,09%);
            37. Komi-Permyaks (0,09%);
            38. Uzbeks (0,08%);
            39. Tajiks (0,08%);
            40. Balkarians (0,07%);
            41. Greeks (0,07%);
            42. Karelians (0,06%);
            43. Turks (0,06%);
            44. Nogais (0,06%);
            45. Mordva Erza (0,06%);
            46. ​​Khakasses (0,05%);
            47. Poles (0,05%);
            48. Altaians (0,05%);
            49. Circassians (0,04%);
            50. Meadow-East Mari (0,04%);
            51. Mordva Moksha (0,03%);
            52. Lithuanians (0,03%);
            53. Nenets (0,03%);
            54. Abazins (0,03%);
            55. Evenks (0,02%);
            56. Chinese (0,02%);
            57. Finns (including Ingermanland Finns) (0,02%);
            58. Turkmens (0,02%);
            59. Bulgarians (0,02%);
            60. Kyrgyzstan (0,02%);
            61. Yezidis (0,02%);
            62. Rutulians (0,02%);
            63. Khanty (0,02%);
            64. Latvians (0,02%);
            65. Aguls (0,02%);
            66. Estonians (0,02%);
            67. Vietnamese (0,02%);
            68. Kryasheny (0,02%);
            69. Andeans (0,02%);
            70. Kurds (0,01%);
            71. Evens (0,01%);
            72. Mountain Mari (0,01%);
            73. Chukchi (0,01%);
            74. Komi-Izhemtsy (0,01%);
            75. Didoids (0,01%);
            76. Shors (0,01%);
            77. Assyrians (0,01%);
            78. The Gagauz (0,01%);
            79. Nanai (0,01%);
            80. Mansi (0,01%);
            81. Abkhazians (0,01%);
            82. Arabs (0,01%);
            83. Tsakhurs (0,01%).
            1. Cpa
              Cpa 21 July 2013 01: 49 New
              0
              Where does the information come from? Does the essence of my comment vary from it?
              1. Alexander Romanov
                Alexander Romanov 21 July 2013 02: 52 New
                0
                Quote: KPA
                Where does the information come from?

                From the census!
                Quote: KPA
                Does the essence of my comment from her change?

                Is not it so?
                1. Cpa
                  Cpa 21 July 2013 03: 39 New
                  0
                  Firstly, your census data from the 2002 of the year, and secondly, estimate how many Chechens are illegally and abroad, in the same Syria, Turkey and the USA.
                  The bottom line is that the Chechens, like the Bashkirs, who feel under 1,5 million people, have a sin to complain about oppression. The population growth in Chechnya 5% over the past 10 years does not fit with the occupation and oppression.
                  The main idea was that the country raised and developed the identity of each republic in the union, and in return only special accounts from them.
                  For comparison - the Indians do not breed like that in the states, this is the result of this isolation and occupation, plus the lack of support for the development of the people!
                  1. Trofimov174
                    Trofimov174 21 July 2013 21: 43 New
                    +1
                    Quote: KPA
                    First, your 2002 census data

                    Ok, here is the 2010 data:
                    Russian 81%
                    Tatars 3,87%
                    Ukrainians 1,41%
                    Bashkirs 1,15%
                    Chuvashs 1,05%
                    Chechens 1,04%
                    Armenians 0,86%

                    Quote: KPA
                    The USSR gave an opportunity to all republics to revive their ethnic self and national pride

                    Until now, these "opportunities" are dissolving. It is the incompetent territorial policy of the 30s and 60s that is the cause of today's interethnic tension in Russia and the CIS. By drawing a republic on the map of the former Russian Empire, extending the borders between them and giving the right to secede from the union, the USSR not only signed a sentence, but also planted a pig for its heiress to the Russian Federation. Ethnic self and national pride? Is there a lot of it in Tajikistan, Uzbekistan and Kyrgyzstan, when half of the country lives on a dollar a day, the other half on earnings in Russia, and the elite is in line for licking Rockefeller assholes?
                    1. Cpa
                      Cpa 22 July 2013 01: 06 New
                      0
                      [quote = Trofimov174] How much is it in Tajikistan, Uzbekistan and Kyrgyzstan, [/ quote]
                      Oh believe me, it blooms in a terry color, despite the difficult life. For this they blame us too
                      quote = Trofimov174] By drawing a republic on the map of the former Russian Empire [/ quote]
                      I am glad that you understand this, it was possible to keep the name, but not to allocate autonomy. It happened before the 30, Lenin started this policy against "Great Russian chauvinism".
  • Aleks tv
    Aleks tv 20 July 2013 15: 36 New
    +2
    Looking through the forum
    Themes:
    "T-54, the hard way to the series" - 9 comments.
    “Failed Typhoon” - 1 comments.
    "The storm of Grozny" - 18 comments.
    “Sau NONA and VIENNA” - 32 comments.
    "Bulk on the liberal iconostasis ..." - 230 comments ....
    “Why should Ukraine join the Customs Union” - 168 comments ...

    Hmm ...
    I do not belittle the importance of the two extreme themes at all, but we love to scratch our tongue, oh how we love, especially not on army topics ...
    No complaints, just a statement of fact.
    1. MG42
      MG42 20 July 2013 16: 13 New
      +1
      Quote: Aleks tv
      “Why Ukraine should join the Customs Union” - 168 comments ...
      Hmm ...

      So what specifically bothers you? Went on the wrong branch? The future of Ukraine is interesting, especially to those who live there now.
      1. Cat
        Cat 20 July 2013 16: 25 New
        +4
        Quote: MG42
        Quote: Aleks tv
        “Why Ukraine should join the Customs Union” - 168 comments ...
        Hmm ...

        So what specifically bothers you? Went on the wrong branch? The future of Ukraine is interesting, especially to those who live there now.

        The meaning of the comment was in the sense that those who know military equipment and the history of its use - on the site, not only not at all, but not very much. But - huge crowds of politicians and analysts who know for sure how to correctly equip Russia / Ukraine / Belarus / UWB / Europe / etc (underline as necessary).
        1. Aleks tv
          Aleks tv 20 July 2013 16: 38 New
          +1
          Quote: Cat
          The meaning of the comment was in the sense


          Yes, you understood correctly, thanks for the support.
          Languages ​​weep ...

          I have no complaints. And pliz, no offense forum users, just think.
          1. stalkerwalker
            stalkerwalker 20 July 2013 19: 04 New
            +3
            Quote: Aleks tv
            I have no complaints. And pliz, no offense forum users, just think.

            And what about Navalny to read or unsubscribe?
            Let the State Department with PACE have a headache.
            "...A thief should sit in jail...". "Meeting place can not be Changed".
        2. MG42
          MG42 20 July 2013 16: 38 New
          +1
          Quote: Cat
          The meaning of the comment was in the sense that those who know military equipment and the history of its application - on the site, not only not at all, but not very much.

          The point was that <if the stars light up, therefore, someone needs it>, the same thing in the articles says them attendance rating and number of comments. The question was not for you Cat, or are you an adjutant of Aleks tv?
          1. Aleks tv
            Aleks tv 20 July 2013 17: 17 New
            0
            Quote: MG42
            The question was not for you Cat, or are you an adjutant of Aleks tv?

            Sergey, without trolling, pliz ... It seems you were not rude.

            Quote: MG42
            The future of Ukraine is interesting, especially to those who live there now.

            Yes interesting.

            I repeat:
            Quote: Aleks tv
            I do not belittle the importance of the two extreme themes at all, but we love to scratch our tongue, oh how we love, especially not on army topics ...
            No complaints, just a statement of fact.


            Just statistics comments on topics, and nothing more.
            Depressing.
            I do not intend to enter into a discussion.
            Good luck.
    2. stalkerwalker
      stalkerwalker 20 July 2013 19: 20 New
      +3
      Quote: Aleks tv
      but we love to scratch our tongue, oh how we love, especially not on army topics ...

      "A narrow specialist is like a flux." Kozma Rods. laughing
  • regsSSSR
    regsSSSR 20 July 2013 15: 58 New
    0
    there is a feeling that the right leg persuades, asks, freezes, the left leg goes exactly with her foot and the left one is constantly trying to get out somewhere and attach a European crutch to itself!
  • ed65b
    ed65b 20 July 2013 18: 38 New
    +1
    What to persuade us? This is us and so before the brothers Slavs, and so on and we start to dance in front of them, but they do not want to. Rather, their oligarchic-presidential bunch does not want and even the Westerners muddied the water. But grief in Europe and when it comes to their minds will be too late.
  • Ivanovich47
    Ivanovich47 20 July 2013 19: 27 New
    +1
    Quote from the article: It turns out that the current increasingly marginalized citizen of Ukraine should be “forced to friendship with Russia”. Well, why talk about a whole nation like that? The idea of ​​"making friends" is vicious and dead. Ukrainians themselves will figure out who to be with. And their choice will solve everything. This is an axiom! True, it causes a feeling of some awkwardness for their neighbors, but for a long time they choose: which way to go. Time is running out ....
    1. Misantrop
      Misantrop 20 July 2013 19: 48 New
      +1
      Quote: Ivanovich47
      Ukrainians themselves will figure out who to be with. And their choice will solve everything. it axiom!
      belay IMHO will be decided by anyone from a very narrow circle of the upper elite. And the opinion of the inhabitants of this unfortunate power will be of last interest to them request
      And if the assignment of the title of Hero of Ukraine to the fascist accomplice can still be subsequently challenged, then the civilizational choice to roll back will be MUCH more difficult hi
  • Zomanus
    Zomanus 20 July 2013 19: 39 New
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    Yes, it is clear that Ukraine will have a very dubious future without Russia. Look at least at the Baltic countries. Yes, freedom will be inundated, if you want, leave the country for a better share, if you want, die like cattle on your native land. And the Ukrainian government will now wander into Europe purely out of principle. To show that they are not suckers. In short, until the government is replaced, it remains only to be upset.
    1. Gecko
      Gecko 20 July 2013 23: 15 New
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      About freedom in the Baltic States you got excited ...
  • zmey_gadukin
    zmey_gadukin 21 July 2013 00: 35 New
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    question ... why is Russia so concerned about Ukraine in the Customs Union?
    Like all questions have already been removed. Vector on the eu, in the tc observers ... why are you boiling again?
  • Fetel
    Fetel 21 July 2013 00: 39 New
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    Alas, two forces decide for the president of Ukraine - Galician nationalists and EU politicians who see Ukraine joining the CU in nightmares.
    1. zmey_gadukin
      zmey_gadukin 22 July 2013 15: 45 New
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      For the president of Ukraine, the "family" decides, and he deeply asks both the EU and Western nationalists ...
  • Semen Semyonitch
    Semen Semyonitch 21 July 2013 00: 48 New
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    Quote: kush62
    Semen Semenych:
    Exactly the same picture can be seen in any Russian city ...

    No, dear. We have more trash

    ... I mean, slower exported ??? lol
  • Slobozhanin
    Slobozhanin 21 July 2013 01: 09 New
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    I won’t tell the big news ... most of all the citizens of Ukraine are confused with what persistence Russia invites to this alliance ...
    Regarding the sharp jump in trade relations with the entry of Ukraine into the CU, all that Russia can buy not in Ukraine is and will buy ... goods not imported from Ukraine (and especially industrial ones) are not Kazakhstan, not Belarus will not start to produce sharply ... it’s just that it will go up in price in Russia and for this it will be withdrawn from your wallets one way or another. An example with Kharkov - if the Russians need turbines and the St. Petersburg plant cannot make them (it will simply be inundated with orders) it’s cheaper than buying them from the Kharkov Turboatom ...
    1. Semen Semyonitch
      Semen Semyonitch 21 July 2013 02: 22 New
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      Quote: Slobozhanin
      I won’t tell the big news ... most of all the citizens of Ukraine are confused with what persistence Russia invites to this alliance ...
      Regarding the sharp jump in trade relations with the entry of Ukraine into the CU, all that Russia can buy not in Ukraine is and will buy ... goods not imported from Ukraine (and especially industrial ones) are not Kazakhstan, not Belarus will not start to produce sharply ... it’s just that it will go up in price in Russia and for this it will be withdrawn from your wallets one way or another. An example with Kharkov - if the Russians need turbines and the St. Petersburg plant cannot make them (it will simply be inundated with orders) it’s cheaper than buying them from the Kharkov Turboatom ...

      How else to translate it ???
      1. zmey_gadukin
        zmey_gadukin 22 July 2013 15: 46 New
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        Quote: Semen Semenych
        How else to translate it ???

        and you turn on the brain and translate
    2. Uhe
      Uhe 21 July 2013 11: 02 New
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      And I will explain to you by someone else's statement.

      “There is no more Russia! It broke up, and the idol in the face of the emperor and religion, which connected different nations of the Orthodox faith, disappeared. If only we can achieve the independence of the buffer states bordering Germany in the east, that is, Finland, Poland, Estonia, Ukraine, etc., and no matter how much they can be fabricated, then, for me, the rest can go to hell and boil in your own juice. The Russian Republic would not be able to rule the Mohammedan khanates in Central Asia and the Caucasian principalities, "British Ambassador to France, Lord Francis Bertie, 1918.

      And I will add. Many citizens of Ukraine work in the Russian Federation - women sellers, men builders. So, with whom no one spoke, everyone is jealous of the Buloers, because they have no difficulties working in the Russian Federation, they don’t have to get a lot of work, they just come and work, while the Ukranians have a hard time precisely because they are not in commonwealth with Russia . They do not care about politics, do not care about the language, they need to feed their families, and with the Russians they feel they are one people with whom there are no difficulties and difficulties.

      My neighbors in the country are Ukrainians, or rather, they rent a summer cottage with a huge team to live near the workplace. Guys want to live, work humanly, and not like any political scum dictates to them. This is possible only in a united Slavic state. And it doesn’t matter who will rule and where the capital will be - even in Kiev, it will be even better. But the essence is the same - only our enemies want the British to see us separately, and the majority of the people want to live together. We have nothing to share. There is something to share with the world-eaters that are sitting on our neck with you.
  • Slobozhanin
    Slobozhanin 21 July 2013 16: 58 New
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    Quote: Semen Semenych
    Quote: Slobozhanin
    I won’t tell the big news ... most of all the citizens of Ukraine are confused with what persistence Russia invites to this alliance ...
    Regarding the sharp jump in trade relations with the entry of Ukraine into the CU, all that Russia can buy not in Ukraine is and will buy ... goods not imported from Ukraine (and especially industrial ones) are not Kazakhstan, not Belarus will not start to produce sharply ... it’s just that it will go up in price in Russia and for this it will be withdrawn from your wallets one way or another. An example with Kharkov - if the Russians need turbines and the St. Petersburg plant cannot make them (it will simply be inundated with orders) it’s cheaper than buying them from the Kharkov Turboatom ...

    How else to translate it ???

    What do you translate? A turbine? Do not believe it! Carry more like.
    1. zmey_gadukin
      zmey_gadukin 22 July 2013 15: 47 New
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      Quote: Slobozhanin
      Carried as

      Yeah ... and a bunch of industrial equipment.
      just about these transactions do not whistle)))
  • vanaheym
    vanaheym 22 July 2013 00: 54 New
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    If the customs union leads to the fact that “Raufics who are not disobedient” will break into Ukraine, and Allah will also create Kiev, then well, let him in the swamp, let everything remain as it is.
    1. studentmati
      studentmati 22 July 2013 00: 57 New
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      The road will be overpowered ... Ukraine and Russia have been walking side by side for more than a thousand years. And why on earth is Ukraine changing its step for African Americans?
  • pamero
    pamero 22 July 2013 05: 54 New
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    In Ukraine, so you work and we will see how you work
  • LAO
    LAO 23 July 2013 11: 35 New
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    Ukraine has been in alliance with Russia for 300 years - under tsarism, capitalism, communism (socialism), and it was always bad to live. The standard of living, reforms, and the economy have always lagged behind world progress. The late abolition of serfdom, the most cruel (in Europe) oppression of the working class, Stalin's lawlessness, Brezhnev's stagnation.
    Why, after all this, should we still be together? Collaboration on an equal footing with everyone - YES. Union - NO!
    What good intentions does Russia have with Ukraine if gas is more expensive for us than for the rest of Europe?
    Russia just wants to enslave us. Destroy industry - how in the 90s cnc machines were removed from the Tochmash plant to Russia, and young people to Afghanistan, Chechnya ...
    Thank you for the offer to enter the vehicle, but somehow we ourselves ...
    Better with a smart to lose than with a fool to find!
    PS With such resources, the territory could have built a brilliant economically developed power with a happy people in 20 years, and Russia is still balancing on the verge of an “economic abyss” of default!