New Ukrainian parachutes worked flawlessly

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New Ukrainian parachutes worked flawlesslyWe are talking about the Ukrainian-American tactical exercises "Rapid Trident-2013", which recently took place in Yavoriv district of Lviv region - on the territory of Europe's largest military training ground of the International Center for Peacekeeping and Security of the Academy of Land Forces named after Hetman Peter Sagaidachny.

In particular, the parachute jumps involved the personnel of the 95 subunits of the separate airmobile brigade and the 80 subdivision of the airborne regiment of the Ukrainian Armed Forces, as well as paratroopers from foreign contingents - Poland, Romania and Moldova. In general, around 4 people participated in the landing, which attracted the 8 helicopter Mi-26 and the military transport aircraft An-200.

According to Lieutenant Colonel Jumping Director Andrei Zakharov, the Ukrainian side provided parachutes to all participants. And the most masterly jumps on air-elastic systems of modern Ukrainian production - the BARS parachutes - were carried out by specialists of the search and rescue service of the 16th separate army brigade aviation. In this case, not a single emergency situation arose.

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In order to provide the Armed Forces of Ukraine with modern parachute technology, the Ministry of Defense of Ukraine issued Order No. 134 of March 12 of 2012 of the year “On the admission of the Bars-S parachute system to supply the Armed Forces of Ukraine. The document identifies: the full, abbreviated and code name, as well as the tactical, technical and operational characteristics of the Bars-S sports parachute system. The function of the support services of the Armed Forces of Ukraine with these systems is entrusted to the command of the Air Force of the Armed Forces of Ukraine.

The sports parachute system “Bars-S” is designed to ensure the fulfillment of jumps by parachutists who are allowed to perform such jumps with planning tandem parachute systems with their introduction into action with an exhaust soft parachute. The Bars-S system includes: main parts, a set of spare parts and repair materials, a set of tools and accessories, a set of styling products, as well as a set of packaging and packaging and maintenance documentation. And the adoption of the sports parachute system “Bars-S” for the supply of the Armed Forces of Ukraine is due to the need to replace the morally and physically obsolete sports parachute systems like PO-9, PO-16, PO-17, “Talka” (produced by the Russian Federation) and “Para- Foil ”(made in the USA), which are still being exploited in the Armed Forces of Ukraine. According to the Ministry of Defense of Ukraine, the adoption of the supply of Bars-S systems will allow them to make priority purchases for the needs of the Armed Forces of Ukraine.
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  1. 0
    19 July 2013 10: 19
    what time! new parachute! it's cool! but how are we in the Airborne Forces? there are new ones, I just don’t know!
    1. +7
      19 July 2013 10: 22
      parachutes were provided to all participants by the Ukrainian side.

      Americans had to give backpacks with potatoes instead of parachutes, then they would not have taken places in the hospital winked
      1. Akim
        +8
        19 July 2013 19: 28
        Quote: seasoned
        Americans had to give backpacks with potatoes instead of parachutes,

        The Americans did not jump. The landings of Ukraine, Poland, Romania, and Moldova jumped.
        1. 0
          19 July 2013 19: 31
          Quote: Akim
          The Americans did not jump. The landings of Ukraine, Poland, Romania, and Moldova jumped.

          Damn, neither as amers experimental guinea pigs can not be done wassat
          Akim, thanks for the info, + honored hi
          1. Akim
            +3
            19 July 2013 20: 04
            Quote: seasoned
            Damn, neither as amers experimental guinea pigs can not be done

            Americans and Germans jump on other joint exercises with ours (Sea Breeze 2013), but on their systems. A little later I will try to find out how our parachutes parachute them.
            1. +1
              19 July 2013 20: 06
              Quote: Akim
              Americans and Germans jump on other joint exercises with ours (Sea Breeze 2013), but on their systems.

              The color of the canopy is interesting ...
              1. Akim
                +4
                19 July 2013 20: 17
                Quote: seasoned
                The color of the canopy is interesting.

                Why amers do not jump with other systems. They do not have insurance, which clearly states that a soldier can only use weapons and equipment that are in the US Army. If, God forbid, something happens, they won’t pay insurance. It was like that with the armored people in Iraq.
    2. +2
      19 July 2013 10: 22
      Well done, just bad with the Americans in the exercises ... and the amers gave the name of the exercises, although it takes place in Ukraine (or in Ukraine) ...
      1. phantom359
        +7
        19 July 2013 10: 27
        Yes, unpleasant. Although he spoke with our paratroopers, they are not very. In the sense of the Americans. A good parachute.
        1. +2
          19 July 2013 11: 01
          "on the territory of Europe's largest military training ground of the International Center for Peacekeeping and Security of the Academy of Land Forces named after Hetman Pyotr Sagaidachny."

          Even after these words, I became scared from the seriousness of the paratroopers. belay
      2. dominatus
        +8
        19 July 2013 11: 35
        And is it nothing that in a couple of weeks large-scale Russian-American exercises will take place?
        1. +3
          19 July 2013 18: 27
          consistЬXia.
    3. s1н7т
      0
      19 July 2013 13: 53
      If the D-10 is new, that is, probably.
      laughing
      1. commentor
        0
        20 July 2013 12: 38
        And what about the D-12 "Leaf"?
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    1. +9
      19 July 2013 10: 23
      ShturmKGB
      just bad with the Americans in the exercises ...

      You will be surprised, but now Russian-American exercises are being prepared, which will be held in Germany ... So this is a modern tendency and there’s no getting away from it
      1. +2
        19 July 2013 11: 04
        Quote: seasoned
        You will be surprised, but now Russian-American exercises are being prepared, which will be held in Germany ... So this is a modern tendency and there’s no getting away from it

        Okay, let the Americans. But does it make sense in joint exercises, in which as many as 200 paratroopers from 5 countries are involved? Experience exchange?
        1. +1
          19 July 2013 11: 40
          Quote: Flood
          in which as many as 200 paratroopers from 5 countries are involved? Experience exchange?

          Testing new parachutes "for free". Acted as experimental macaques wassat
  3. pa_nik
    +7
    19 July 2013 10: 24
    Do not strain .. laughing In terms of parachutes, we also have some progress. This year the army received new D-10 parachutes.
    He replaces the D-6. It is simpler and safer when landing and in operation. The volume of the dome of the new parachute is 100 square meters. m instead of 83 square meters m, rounded shape provides a smooth landing.
    D-10 is designed for combat and training jumps at a flight speed of 140 to 400 km / h with stabilization for 3 seconds, in a range of heights from 200 to 8000 m. The parachute’s life and the number of applications have also been increased from 80 to 120, depending on jumping conditions. The mass of the new parachute is several kilograms less than the mass of its predecessor, which makes it easy to turn in the wind, perform horizontal glide, with it you can jump into the water and quickly extinguish the canopy in strong winds.

    Like this good
    1. +4
      19 July 2013 10: 37
      Quote: pa_nik
      In terms of parachutes, we also have some progress. This year the army received new D-10 parachutes.

      The airborne troops, together with the Scientific Research Institute of Parachuting, are testing the new D-12 Listich parachute system. The new human landing parachute is designed for training and combat jumps performed by paratroopers with full service armament and equipment. In the future, this parachute system will replace the D-6 and D-10 human landing parachutes armed with the Russian Airborne Forces, the Air Support Information Group reports. landing troops.

      Currently, flight tests of the new D-12 parachute system are being conducted on the basis of the Airborne Troops. The estimated deadline for the completion of the “new landing wings” is 2013 year.



      The Listch parachute system differs from its predecessors in both tactical and technical characteristics and layout. The parachute system includes:
      main and reserve parachutes stacked in a single back pack
      detachable cargo container, which houses all the elements of weapons and equipment of the paratrooper

      The new suspension system has a wide adjustment range, and is made of lighter and more durable materials, allowing the paratrooper to take more payload with it. There are two schemes for using the parachute system - with the forced opening of the main parachute without stabilization and with stabilization.

      One of the distinguishing features of the D-12 parachute system is the ability to change the average value of the horizontal velocity component on the main parachute - from 0 to the average value of the vertical velocity component for a given flight mass, which greatly facilitates the pre-landing maneuver by the parachutist.


      The performance characteristics of the D-12 "Leaf":
      flight weight - 160 kg
      main parachute area - 90 m2
      vertical speed with a flight mass of 160 kg - 4,5 m / s
      vertical speed when landing without a cargo container (flight weight 120 kg) - 4 m / s
      overload that occurs when the main parachute system is put into operation, no more than 7 units (average 4,5 value)
      Details: http://www.arms-expo.ru/049057054048124050054053054056.html
      Clickable Image:
      1. +1
        19 July 2013 11: 08
        Quote: Corsair
        Parachute system "Leaf"


        Parachute system of special purpose "Arbalet-2"
        It is intended for landing paratroopers-specialists of special forces and rescue paratroopers with a set of necessary weapons and equipment, as well as for performing training jumps from An-2, An-26, An-12, Il-76 aircraft and Mi-type helicopters -8 equipped for parachuting personnel.
        It provides safe jumps when the weight of the paratrooper with special equipment up to 150 kg is in the air temperature range from minus 35oC to plus 35oC at the aircraft’s airspeed when landing to 350 km / h.
        The parachute system passed state tests at the flight test center of the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation and is in operation.
        It consists of the main and reserve parachute systems with gliding identical 9-sectional domes with an area of ​​27 m2 each, located in one back pack and having a common suspension system.
        To ensure the optimal position of the parachutist in free fall, immediately after its separation from the side of the aircraft, a stabilizing parachute with an area of ​​1,5m2 is forcibly activated.
        Simultaneously with the release of the stabilizing parachute, a safety device is switched on, which ensures the opening of the main parachute after a certain time or at a given height, depending on its type and nature of the jump.
        The design of the reserve parachute ensures its reliable operation at flight speeds from 0 to 350 km / h, as well as in conjunction with a stabilizing parachute.
        The main parachute is equipped with a front free end trimming system to increase horizontal speed.
        The special shape of the main and reserve parachute domes ensures the safe landing of paratroopers with minimal jump experience.
        The introduction of the main parachute with the PPK-U240AL insurance device is envisaged. The deployment of the reserve parachute is carried out manually, while at the same time the free ends of the main parachute are uncoupled.
        It is possible to install imported safety devices such as "Cypres" or "Astra" on the reserve parachute.
        The suspension system has eight adjustment points, which makes it easy to fit it on a parachutist of any height from 160 to 200 cm in both winter and summer uniforms and special equipment.
        The design of the suspension system allows you to place on it additional equipment (cargo) weighing up to 50 kg in a separate cargo container with an autonomous parachute system - UGKPS-50.
        1. +1
          19 July 2013 11: 27
          Toba finally descent will be controllable, in the literal sense of the word, and this is wonderful.
      2. 0
        20 July 2013 21: 49
        Quote: Corsair
        main and reserve parachutes stacked in a single back pack


        That is right. Jumped from the D-5 series 2 back in the late 80s. Feel like pregnant. And then in the 90s he saw a bourgeois parachute (though not an airborne but a sports one) with a common satchel for the main and reserve. Compared to ours, it’s just tiny.
    2. +2
      19 July 2013 13: 22
      Tell me how to quickly extinguish a dome with an area of ​​100 square meters? On "oak" 6, each 4 had the "doggy" exercise.
      1. +1
        19 July 2013 23: 26
        Quote: Pon69
        Tell me how to quickly extinguish a dome with an area of ​​100 square meters? On "oak" 6, each 4 had the "doggy" exercise.

        I have never dealt with the D-10, but I can assume that it is equipped with a lock to unfasten one of the free ends. When you open this lock, the dome turns into a rag. Well, if it is not on the D-10, then yes, it will have to be extinguished in the same way like D-5 - pulling up the lower groups of lines and quickly running over to the leeward side of the dome.
    3. s1н7т
      0
      19 July 2013 13: 57
      Quote: pa_nik
      It allows you to easily turn around in the wind, perform horizontal glide, with it you can jump into the water and quickly extinguish the dome with a strong wind.

      Yeah, all this was done quite well on the D-1-5U laughing So there is nothing fundamentally new in the D-10, alas.
      1. Akim
        +1
        19 July 2013 19: 33
        Quote: c1n7
        So there is nothing fundamentally new in the D-10, alas.

        Well then. Landing speed is much lower, because the Americans were afraid to jump from the D-6. And then that would shoot when landing ...
        1. Barmen
          0
          21 July 2013 10: 09
          Extremely firing from oaks.))) Well then amers ... And this is WE !!! Hello everybody! And with the upcoming !!!
      2. +1
        19 July 2013 23: 12
        Quote: c1n7
        Yeah, all this was done quite well on the D-1-5U

        D-1-5U allows you to jump from ultra-low heights (when laying "on a rope") and jumps without stabilization (when laying "on a ball"), and the control, though oak, is more effective than sliding - this requires skill from the fighter " lie on the stream "without getting lost in the power supply unit and the skills of controlling the canopy, which means that it is not suitable for mass landing.
        1. s1н7т
          +1
          21 July 2013 20: 54
          Quote: Arkan
          which means it is not suitable for mass landing.

          Yeah, but many started with them. And why lie on the stream when laying for forced disclosure, I did not understand. And "on the ball" is when laying "on the ring"? Everything is simple, after all - the bulk of them jump on the "forced", prepared - "on the ring". Of course, the trouble with this dome is its low speed (either vertical or horizontal), but the new one is no better.
          1. 0
            22 July 2013 00: 49
            Greetings!
            Quote: c1n7
            And why I didn’t understand why I lay on the stream when laying on forced disclosure.

            I meant precisely a free fall! When landing (for example) with IL-76, forced disclosure is not possible (at a speed of 400 km per hour - this is a death from a dynamic impact), and only enough can stabilize the fall before the device works. experienced skydiver.
            Quote: c1n7
            And "on the ball" is when laying "on the ring"?

            Yes, the exhaust parachute of this dome, in the unfolded form, was a wire ball in the upper hemisphere covered with nylon, and in the lower mesh (hence the name of the installation method).
            Quote: c1n7
            Of course, the trouble of this dome is low speed (that vert., That mountains.), But the new one is no better.

            D-5, D-6, D-10 do not have horizontal speed (sliding does not count), and this is correct from the point of view of safety in the case of a massive drop of soldiers with initial parachute training. In fog, with low clouds, at night, in different directions winds at different heights, the paratrooper cannot always correctly determine the direction of the wind near the ground and deploy the canopy, and landing "on complete drift" (when the speed of the canopy is added to the wind speed) is dangerous (you never know where you have to land ... and air convergence will increase)! The characteristics of the landing canopies, as well as the requirements for them, will change greatly in the near future.
            1. s1н7т
              +1
              22 July 2013 10: 56
              Quote: Arkan
              The characteristics of the landing cannons, as well as the requirements for them, will change greatly in the near future.

              Let's hope! drinks
              And at the expense of D-1-5U, I understood you, we just had a different service - An-2, Mi-6, Mi-8, from 5 to 50 people. in the rise, and no 400 km / h! laughing True, conscripts jumped both at night and on the water. By the way, I have from my conscript service the "Record Book of an Athlete-Parachutist" hi But with the peculiarities of the Airborne Forces - the massiveness and weakness of the Airborne Forces, I did not encounter, of course, they are probably satisfied with the D-6 / D-10. Only it is hardly worth waiting for massive landings in the future - there is no one, nothing and why. So - "we will see" the new domes and the requirements for them. hi
              1. 0
                22 July 2013 21: 26
                Quote: c1n7
                But with the features of the Airborne Forces - mass and weak airborne

                It is not weak, but specific. The fact is that, unlike the special forces or the DShB, whose operations are most often planned earlier (which allows them to think over the details as much as possible), the Airborne Forces have much more chances to land in uncertain conditions - even the weather conditions in the zone landing may not be known ... Therefore, paratroopers are not trained to work with controlled canopies, and free fall - they simply do not need it! But much attention is paid to "simulators" to strengthen the ankles ("hare trail" and "bison trail" - this is sacred in the Airborne Forces! laughing ), and as a result, leg fractures during airborne jumps are much lower than for paratroopers, despite the fact that they land in rather harsh conditions.
                Quote: c1n7
                But it’s hardly worth waiting for mass landings in the long run - there’s nobody, nothing and why.

                For Russia, troops capable of quickly embarking on a combat mission anywhere in the country will always be relevant (even if Russia does not plan to conduct airborne operations abroad). drinks
                1. s1н7т
                  +1
                  23 July 2013 01: 04
                  Quote: Arkan
                  But a lot of attention is paid to "simulators" to strengthen the ankles (the "hare trail" and "bison trail" are sacred in the Airborne Forces! Laughing), and as a result, leg fractures during airborne jumps are much lower than those of skydivers. despite the fact that they land in rather harsh conditions.

                  You cannot surprise us with a "hot water bottle"! laughing Along the way, then in the mountains helps, by the way. For 10 years of service (in different qualities) on jumping I remember only 3 fractures - a multi-splintered twisted fracture of the heel (sudden change in wind direction, D-6 series 4), a fracture of the knee (I don’t remember the medical term, but recently this comrade wrote that he they put a metal knee in Burdenko), a fracture of the metatarsal bone of the foot - a "carriage" with parachutes to the soldier's leg moved. So everyone in the SA was good with an ankle. laughing
                  Quote: Arkan
                  troops capable of quickly embarking on a combat mission anywhere in the country will always be relevant

                  Well, this is an axiom, I do not argue here soldier
                  1. +1
                    23 July 2013 04: 16
                    For my urgent, I do not remember a single fracture or serious injury on jumping in the entire division (only one case with a cheekbone broken on a machine gun at the time of landing), as the pilots dropped us 50 kilometers from the landing site (low cloudiness, below 800 - solid fog. We missed.) right on the village. For the vast majority it was the fourth jump (and the first with the IL-76) - not a single injury! But before the army I went in for parachuting, and not one season was complete without three - four serious injuries among athletes ... - "The Hare's Trail" works wonders. fellow smile
  4. +1
    19 July 2013 10: 31
    The teachings are good ... with NATO)))) Here are just the Slav brothers, answer the question of who you had a conditional opponent interesting ???? And the fact that all sorts of thoughts are not good come into my head ... feel
    1. Akim
      0
      19 July 2013 19: 37
      Quote: MIKHAN
      Here are just the Slav brothers answer the question of who your conditional opponent was

      The scenario of the exercise is based on a territorial conflict between the contingent states of Vogland and Vizirland. The cause of the conflict is the territorial claims of the state of Vogland regarding the province of Yavorov owned by the state of Vіzіrlend, which the first declared their historical and cultural part.

      Based on intelligence data, Vіzіrlend became aware that in the near future Vogland intends to launch an offensive operation in order to capture the Yavoriv province.

      The armed forces of a multinational contingent have the method of resolving this armed conflict and delimiting the warring parties by conducting lightning-fast airmobile operations using multi-purpose helicopters and transport aircraft.
      1. Akim
        +2
        19 July 2013 21: 42

        "Star"
  5. 0
    19 July 2013 10: 37
    they designed and tested a new parachute in Ukraine, rejoiced at their own successes, and now we can forget about it as a corvette, armored personnel carrier, tank, falcon-peregrine falcon and much, much more. all these are night dreams.
    1. +1
      19 July 2013 10: 47
      Quote: Panikovsky
      they designed and tested a new parachute in Ukraine, rejoiced at their own successes, and now we can forget about it as a corvette, armored personnel carrier, tank, falcon-peregrine falcon and much, much more. all these are night dreams.

      Or baby phobias?
      1. Ruslandeth
        -2
        19 July 2013 11: 01
        rather senile memories of the past
  6. Strelok20883
    +8
    19 July 2013 11: 08
    As if there were no Ukrainians, our brothers and we only have to rejoice for the successes in the military affairs of our neighbors. Anyway, in the future together we will drive the striped adversary!
  7. pa_nik
    +1
    19 July 2013 12: 00
    Quote: Strelok20883
    only need to rejoice for successes in the military affairs of neighbors



    Positively feel
  8. +1
    19 July 2013 12: 24
    The author has a huge "-" for the photo to the article. A round canopy instead of the wing parachute announced in the article. TTD "Bars-S" can be viewed here: http://paruplaner.ucoz.ru/forum/20-19-1
    "Bars-S" is inferior even to the Russian "old man" Po-17 being removed from their armament. The descent time after jumping from 800 meters is only 10 seconds. (guaranteed) - that's you! Stone Age. And the sticking of the slider due to the incompatibility of the metal of the corrugation rings on the material of the slings is a level of design thought! Well, it’s a skap you need to sniff with bosses, the slider went down to the free ends ?! Full turn of the dome by 360 degrees = 8 seconds. It's like putting on the market a tuned Zaporozhets. About "Crossbow-2": it is incorrect to compare, because the Crossbow was created for jumping with an additional cargo container (total weight tolerance = 150 kg), and "Bars-S" is clearly a "loner", because the total weight = 120kg. Something like this. No offense to Ukrainian friends. But the level of this device is no more than the 80s of the last century. Sincerely.
    1. s1н7т
      +2
      19 July 2013 14: 05
      Quote: K-36
      Drop time after jumping from 800 meters in just 10 seconds

      It's like, sorry?! So without a parachute it’s much slower, no? laughing
      1. 0
        19 July 2013 14: 26
        Quote: c1n7
        Quote: K-36
        Drop time after jumping from 800 meters in just 10 seconds

        It's like, sorry?! So without a parachute it’s much slower, no? laughing

        In order of "educational program": the manufacturer guarantees the time spent (until the moment of landing) under a fully filled parachute at least 10 seconds. when jumping from 800 meters. For contrast: on our "old man" Po-17, when jumping from 800 meters, this time will be about 2 and a half minutes. Can you catch the difference? Respectfully.
        1. s1н7т
          0
          21 July 2013 20: 46
          Quote: K-36
          In order of "educational program": the manufacturer guarantees the time spent (until the moment of landing) under a fully filled parachute at least 10 seconds. when jumping from 800 meters. For contrast: on our

          Thanks for the "educational program"! I was guided in the service of the RVDP, they did not write about the manufacturer's guarantees laughing But 2,5 min. for software - somehow a lot, like on the D-6 almost. I’ll probably take a really educational program.
        2. s1н7т
          0
          21 July 2013 20: 58
          Quote: K-36

          By the way, once laid and K-36 (PSU) - in the Air Force. drinks
    2. Akim
      +3
      19 July 2013 19: 52
      Quote: K-36
      "Bars-S" is inferior even to the Russian "old man" Po-17 being removed from their weapons


      Let's start with the fact that the photo is not "Bars-S" - it is "Scout". Does this "Bars-S" suit you? Rescuers jumped with him.
      1. Alexander D.
        0
        19 July 2013 22: 21
        Akim, how do intelligence officers evaluate the Status-CH parachute?
        1. Akim
          0
          19 July 2013 22: 30
          Quote: Alexander D.
          But how do intelligence officers evaluate the Status-CH parachute?
          I didn’t ask. To call friends in Nikolaev only on this occasion is somehow inconvenient. A little later I will call about Sea Breeze - I will ask this as well.
  9. 0
    19 July 2013 12: 26
    POSITIVE! Confused only by the phrase "SPORTS parachute system" Bars-S "" - how's that? For the army or for sports? It's a pity there are no characteristics, but the fact that Ukraine will have its own parachutes is only welcome!
    1. +3
      19 July 2013 12: 45
      For sergey158. The parachute is not for first-timers. It is necessary to jump 40-50 jumps (depending on inner talent) on a round parachute, and then on the "wing". The parachute seems to be made for "students", because the vertical speed = 4 m / s, and the turn speed is 360 degrees. = 8 sec. In short: low-maneuverable and safe for landing. The advantages include year-round use (temperature range from -30 to +40 degrees) However, it has a big drawback: a very long time of crumbling, which can turn into a big sadness with a lack of altitude. Sincerely.
      1. Alexander D.
        0
        19 July 2013 22: 16
        There are other parachutes



        Parachutes "Status SN" recently entered service with the Armed Forces of Ukraine. The new parachute allows you to descend from very high altitudes (up to 8 km) and plan up to 15 km to the landing site. The “Adapter 1M” system is a durable (tensile force of 12 tons) elastic rope, woven in a special way, which is attached to the board of the Mi-8 helicopter and allows you to leave the helicopter in the hovering mode above the ground.
        80 young contract soldiers who recently joined the ranks of the 25th separate airborne brigade of the Highly Mobile Landing Forces of the Ukrainian Armed Forces made their first parachute jump.
        1. Akim
          0
          19 July 2013 22: 23
          Quote: Alexander D.
          Parachutes "Status SN"


          "Status-CH" is also a wing, but of a different shape and area. This is an army parachute designed for sabotage and reconnaissance units.
          1. Alexander D.
            0
            19 July 2013 22: 54
            But this is not sports, but specialized. I showed people that in our army they use more than one parachute and not only Russian ones.
            1. Akim
              0
              19 July 2013 23: 04
              Quote: Alexander D.
              I showed people that in our army they use more than one parachute and not only Russian ones.


              But there have never been any Russians in the troops. There are only old Soviet ones.
  10. shpuntik
    -5
    19 July 2013 13: 18
    You can experience it in another way.
    What, is it necessary to invite the Entente? Civil war (1918-20) is little visible?
    I imagine: if only one NATO-member flopped soft-boiled, that’s Hochma’s fellow !
    Probably would not have written anywhere laughing ...
    In general, "zapadenschina anneals", good luck wink
    1. phantom359
      0
      19 July 2013 16: 06
      Quote: shpuntik
      You can experience it in another way.
      What, is it necessary to invite the Entente? Civil war (1918-20) is little visible?
      I imagine: if only one NATO-member flopped soft-boiled, that’s Hochma’s fellow !
      Probably would not have written anywhere laughing ...
      In general, "zapadenschina anneals", good luck wink

      You're wrong.
      1. shpuntik
        0
        19 July 2013 16: 29
        Major General
        phantom359 (4) UA Today, 16:06 PM ↑ New
        You're wrong.

        May be ...
  11. okosl
    0
    19 July 2013 13: 47
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