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Collision of a Russian border guard with a Ukrainian launch: entertaining details

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Collision of a Russian border guard with a Ukrainian launch: entertaining detailsIn the evening of July 17, in the Sea of ​​Azov, in the Russian settlement of Vorontsovka, there was a collision between a Ukrainian longboat and a boat from the Coast Guard of the Russian Border Guard Service. As a result of the incident, at least 2 people from the Ukrainian ship were killed, and the clarification of relations very quickly passed to the level of foreign affairs agencies.


Official and unofficial information about the state of emergency

Here is what the statement of the State Border Service of Ukraine says:

“According to information received from the duty center for monitoring fishing vessels, in the area of ​​the Dolzhanskaya Spit, during the pursuit and maneuvering, the border boat of the Russian Federation collided with a Ukrainian small-sized vessel. As a result of the incident, the fishing vessel turned upside down.

According to preliminary information, one of the crew members was saved. Today, around 5.30 in the morning, during the search and rescue activities, the bodies of 2 sunken fishermen were found, and the search for 2 people who were on the launch continues. The rescued man is a citizen of Ukraine 1964 of the year living in the village Bezymennoe, Novoazovsky district, Donetsk region. Russian border guards confirmed this fact. The search for fishermen other than the border boat is additionally conducted by 2 boats EMERCOM of Russia. ”

Also, the State Border Service of Ukraine informs that the Russian side was invited to hold a special meeting in the area of ​​the incident to clarify all the circumstances of the incident and in the future to conduct a joint investigation of the situation in which the Ukrainian launch with the fishermen sank.

But the version, which is mass disseminated by the Ukrainian media with reference to "sources in law enforcement agencies": "When the boat with the sailors was in the territorial waters of the Russian Federation, she was noticed by Russian border guards and staged prosecution of alleged poachers. Having overtaken the vessel, the Russian border guards drove onto the boat, as a result of which it rolled over. ”

Ukraine considers the actions of the Russian border guards "disproportionate"

In the morning of July 18, at the Ministry of Foreign Affairs of Ukraine, Andrei Vorobiev, RF Charge-attorney in Ukraine, was summoned - Russia's ambassador to Ukraine, Mikhail Zurabov, is currently on leave.

During the meeting with the Russian diplomat and. Ukrainian Foreign Minister Ruslan Demchenko expressed "deep concern of the Ukrainian side over the actions of the Russian border guards and the disproportion of the measures they used, which led to tragic consequences." A Ukrainian official handed a note to the representative of the Russian embassy.

The Ukrainian side demands a comprehensive and objective investigation of this incident with the participation of the Ukrainian and Russian authorities, as well as taking measures to prevent the recurrence of such cases in the future.

In response, the Russian side expressed its condolences in connection with the incident in which Ukrainian citizens were injured, and also assured that the necessary measures would be taken to ensure a proper investigation of the incident. The Russian side also assured that it would provide all-round assistance in treating the victims, searching for missing people, and repatriating the bodies of the dead Ukrainian citizens.

The Ukrainian side reports that the Consul General of Ukraine in Rostov-on-Don arrived at the scene to coordinate the actions of the competent authorities of Ukraine and Russia to investigate the incident, search for the missing Ukrainian citizens, assist the victims and ensure the repatriation of the bodies of those killed to their homeland.

The prosecutor's office of the city of Mariupol (Donetsk region, Ukraine) has already dealt with the death of sailors in the Sea of ​​Azov. The agency confirms that in the evening of July 17 a small-sized fishing vessel with 5 persons on board crossed the border of Ukraine, collided with a border boat in the coastal waters of the Russian Federation, as a result of which it sank.

The Mariupol Prosecutor's Office for the Supervision of Compliance with Laws in the Transport Sphere information on this fact is entered into the Unified Register of Pre-Trial Investigations with preliminary qualification under art. 291 (violation of transport regulations) of the Criminal Code of Ukraine.

The investigation was entrusted with conducting (!) The investigative department of the linear department at the Mariupol station of the Ministry of Internal Affairs of Ukraine on the Donetsk Railway. It is noted that the purpose of crossing the border and other circumstances of the incident will be established during the pre-trial investigation. It also emphasizes that the investigation is under the control of the prosecutor's office of the Donetsk region.

According to the latest data, another fisherman escaped from the barge rammed by the border guards. It is reported that now Russian doctors are engaged in the treatment of Ukrainian sailors. The condition of both affected doctors is assessed as severe.

It is established that three of the sailors are residents of the Ukrainian village Bezymennoye, two are from the neighboring village of Samsonovo. As the secretary of the Bezymensky village council, Yevgeny Shvedko, said, commenting on the incident: “Whether the fishermen went legally to fish or not, the law enforcement agencies will figure it out. One thing I can say is that people didn’t move from fat to Russia, but in order to somehow make ends meet, having sold their catch. Only 470 officially work in our village of 1,500 able-bodied people. Mostly go to Novoazovsk, Mariupol. Only 70 are involved in agriculture in the village, and in Soviet times there were a thousand. The rest earn fish.

The press officer of the Donetsk frontier detachment, Eduard Nikitenko, noted the following: “So far we have established that the fishermen had permission to go to sea. Sailors are required to coordinate their actions with us if they plan to go farther than 2 miles from the border. ”

At the time of the preparation of the material, there were no comments from the Russian departments or officials.
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  1. Vladimirets
    Vladimirets 19 July 2013 10: 12
    77
    “When the boat with the sailors ended up in the territorial waters of the Russian Federation, Russian border guards noticed it and stalked the alleged poachers. Having caught up with the ship, the Russian border guards ran into the boat, as a result of which it turned over. ”

    No need to run. If you didn’t do anything illegal, then why run away? If they did, then once they got to the border guards - paws up. Borders are not clowns to play cat and mouse. People, of course, feel sorry.
    1. experienced
      experienced 19 July 2013 10: 17
      37
      Quote: Vladimirets
      No need to run. If you didn’t do anything illegal, then why run away?

      100% I agree, but who knows, maybe they were going to put mines there, a border zone for that and a border zone so that all sorts of dark personalities would not hang around her.
      One thing I can say is that people didn’t go to Russia from fat, but to somehow make ends meet by selling the catch.

      Sheriff Indians' problems don't e ... t
    2. ShturmKGB
      ShturmKGB 19 July 2013 10: 18
      22
      Of course it is not good that they died, but they should have known that crossing the border is a serious violation of the laws of both countries and border guards will take measures ...
    3. Canep
      Canep 19 July 2013 10: 20
      19
      If guilty were better to give up than to run away, they would have received a fine or a maximum suspended sentence but would have been alive.
    4. 11 black
      11 black 19 July 2013 10: 39
      +8
      Quote: Vladimirets
      The Ukrainian side demands a comprehensive and objective investigation of this incident with the participation of the Ukrainian and Russian authorities, as well as taking measures to prevent the recurrence of such cases in the future.

      I think the best measure is not to violate our territorial border, but if we violate not to run away from the border guard ... people are certainly sorry, judging by the article they have more problems with the village than ours, but the border guards did their job, did their duty and blamed they can’t be, and the fishermen should have understood the risk of crossing our border, although I repeat sorry for the people ...
      1. Captain Vrungel
        Captain Vrungel 19 July 2013 10: 58
        12
        Yes, this is a tragedy. But people deliberately violated. What pushed them? But not good intentions. The exit is allowed, as a stroll 2 km from the coast, they were more than 20 km in a closed area for swimming. They did not respond to warnings. They tried to hide. Dangerous maneuvering led to a clash and tragedy. Will the commander go on such a deliberate ram? More expensive for the sake of ram and poachers. Would determine the berth and the number of the longboat. Reported to Ukrainian border guards. Those would frolic heartily over violators.
        1. afire
          afire 19 July 2013 11: 50
          +7
          border on the castle hedgehog .. yours soldier
          Brothers join the TS and there will be no border problems, in principle, the hands (hand-fornication) of Ukraine are grimaced, as they do not think about their people at all, and they suffer the most ((
      2. MG42
        MG42 19 July 2013 11: 56
        +1
        Quote: 11 black
        I think the best measure is not to violate our territorial border.

        On the Sea of ​​Azov only completed negotiations in 2012 year on the delimitation of the border between Ukraine and Russia
        Ukraine and Russia completed negotiations on the delimitation of maritime borders in the Azov and Black Seas, as well as in the Strait of Kerch.

        The corresponding joint statement was signed by the presidents of Ukraine and Russia Viktor Yanukovych and Vladimir Putin following the 5 meeting of the interstate commission in Livadia (Yalta, Crimea), 12 July 2012, the presidential press service said.

        According to the statement, the parties consider it important to delimit the borders "in the spirit of friendship, good neighborliness and strategic partnership, taking into account the legitimate interests of both states."

        http://zn.ua/POLITICS/ukraina_i_rossiya_dogovorilis_o_delimitatsii_azovo-kerchen
        skoy_granitsy.html
        1. 11 black
          11 black 19 July 2013 14: 02
          0
          Quote: MG42
          Quote: 11 black
          I think the best measure is not to violate our territorial border.

          Across the Sea of ​​Azov, negotiations in 2012 on the delimitation of the border between Ukraine and Russia were only completed
          Ukraine and Russia completed negotiations on the delimitation of maritime borders in the Azov and Black Seas, as well as in the Strait of Kerch.

          The corresponding joint statement was signed by the presidents of Ukraine and Russia Viktor Yanukovych and Vladimir Putin following the 5 meeting of the interstate commission in Livadia (Yalta, Crimea), 12 July 2012, the presidential press service said.

          According to the statement, the parties consider it important to delimit the borders "in the spirit of friendship, good neighborliness and strategic partnership, taking into account the legitimate interests of both states."

          http://zn.ua/POLITICS/ukraina_i_rossiya_dogovorilis_o_delimitatsii_azovo-kerchen

          skoy_granitsy.html


          Well, that's right, the border guards and the coast guard are not military - these structures are subordinate to the FSB and not to the Ministry of Defense, so the contract is not violated ...
          PS learn the mat part
          1. MG42
            MG42 19 July 2013 14: 07
            +2
            Less for materiel. Since I quoted the news.

            http://zn.ua/POLITICS/ukraina_i_rossiya_dogovorilis_o_delimitatsii_azovo-kerchen

            skoy_granitsy.html
            Quote: 11 black
            so the contract is not violated ...

            Where in my comment did you read about the violation of the contract? winked
            1. 11 black
              11 black 19 July 2013 15: 36
              0
              Quote: MG42
              Less for materiel. Since I quoted the news.

              http://zn.ua/POLITICS/ukraina_i_rossiya_dogovorilis_o_delimitatsii_azovo-kerchen


              skoy_granitsy.html
              Quote: 11 black
              so the contract is not violated ...

              Where in my comment did you read about the violation of the contract?


              I just misinterpreted the meaning of your comment ... now it’s clear
              PS exchanged cons laughing
    5. Net
      Net 19 July 2013 12: 38
      +1
      They run away because they are used to dealing with the Ukrainian border service and fish protection, which simply do not have the means to catch their boats. I don’t know what they had for the boat, but in our country the poachers set such motors for themselves that it’s almost impossible to catch them. Almost the entire Kerch Strait, on Azov, where the maximum depth is 13! meters, nets put from the bottom to the surface, the fish simply have nowhere to go. Naturally, they prefer to pay a bribe rather than arrange races, but they will easily get away from any unscheduled inspections.
      1. Mhpv
        Mhpv 19 July 2013 14: 48
        +4
        Quote: Netto
        I don’t know what they had for the boat, but in our country poachers set such motors for themselves that it’s almost impossible to catch them

        It’s the poor fishermen, is it? Apparently they wanted to lay a turn in front of the border guards and the maneuver didn’t come out, and border guards like now are to blame. soldier
    6. honest jew
      honest jew 19 July 2013 14: 09
      -28 qualifying.
      With such zeal, the border guards would have drowned the Japanese in the Sea of ​​Okhotsk, but to see a point shrinks against the samurai !!! There will be more noise and epaulettes will fly !!! And then ordinary Ukrainian sailors, you can go to the bottom, you’ll look and increase their rank ... Therefore, one should not be surprised why Russia always has such a bad relationship with its close neighbors ......
      1. Mhpv
        Mhpv 19 July 2013 14: 21
        10
        Quote: Honest Jew
        With such zeal, the border guards would have drowned the Japanese in the Sea of ​​Okhotsk, but to see a point shrinks against the samurai !!!

        You’re mistaken that the Japanese are simply equipped and therefore leave before the PSKR arrives, and if they come across, either surrender or get it and you just compared the Azov water and the Pacific with it, like ..... with a finger
        1. Mhpv
          Mhpv 19 July 2013 15: 25
          +2
          I'm waiting for the justification of the minuses about the Japanese soldier
      2. kartalovkolya
        kartalovkolya 20 July 2013 08: 39
        +1
        To an honest Jew: "The border of the Russian Federation is sacred and inviolable," and you, my friend, have forgotten how very aptly Ukrainians shoot down civilian planes with your fellow citizens on board, apparently that's why they stood up for the "poor fishermen." popped ... Is that why your fellow citizens have such warm relations with Ukraine? Of course, sorry for the victims, but the border is the border.
      3. ytqnhfk
        ytqnhfk 20 July 2013 09: 59
        -1
        One nickname is what it’s worth, okay, about the incident, it’s not written on their forehead that they are Ukrainians, that they are peaceful fishermen and that they didn’t want anything. everything! You need to know who to joke with!
    7. velikoros-xnumx
      velikoros-xnumx 19 July 2013 23: 30
      -4
      It is sad. Our border guards would be so active in the Far East when meeting with Japanese poachers or in the North Sea with Norwegians, and not with fraternal Ukrainian people. That there was not between our countries, but the fish is not worth life ourx guys.
    8. Kosatka
      Kosatka 20 July 2013 10: 27
      0
      From the part I do not agree with you. People are undeniably sorry. But on the BARKAS you can’t get away from the border guards boat. The fishing longboat in the Azov and the Black Sea is most often 6 - 8 meter plastic or wooden vessels made or remade from YAL-6, YAL-8, decommissioned lifeboats or delivery - work boats. Having, for the most part, a stationary gasoline or diesel engine with a capacity of 6 to 75 l / s. And max speed up to 8 - 10 knots. Most likely the border guards rammed the longboat. At night, yes with those devices and radars that are installed on the PC is not surprising. I own a boat in the glorious Sevastopol, I often go fishing and have been more than once a participant and witness of inspections and maneuvering of carpenters in the coastal waters of Sevastopol. Guys rush about with delirium tremens, preparation of l / s nor any
      In my memory, only in the last 15 years there have been three cases of ramming when checking the sea of ​​skiffs of fishermen by the Pagrans at sea, thank God it cost only broken sides and subsequent repair of the skiff. I think that qualitatively the Russian border guards have not gone so far from their fellow colleagues from Ukraine.
      1. older
        older 20 July 2013 10: 49
        0
        Nobody called them into our waters
    9. svp67
      svp67 22 July 2013 15: 29
      0
      Quote: Vladimirets
      No need to run.

      They "run" there not from the border guards, but from the fact that they need to live like that. One such trip will be enough for a month ... And so that this does not happen, it would not hurt our diplomat to think over, with their Ukrainian colleagues, about the introduction of a free trade zone, as is done with other countries, with the same China, because Ukraine is closer to us ...
      1. Cynic
        Cynic 22 July 2013 17: 02
        0
        Quote: svp67
        on the introduction of a certain free trade zone

        Mmmm?
        Sorry about which trade are you mentioning? There is talk about poaching.
  2. experienced
    experienced 19 July 2013 10: 12
    +6
    Border guards drove poachers, and they drowned ... Nothing unusual, it should be so, or give up or Tony
    1. dominatus
      dominatus 19 July 2013 10: 22
      0
      That is - do you mind that the Ukrainian border guards, on their territory, would stop fines for Russian poachers and start drowning them?
      1. experienced
        experienced 19 July 2013 10: 25
        20
        Quote: dominatus
        That is - do you mind that the Ukrainian border guards, on their territory, would stop fines for Russian poachers and start drowning them?

        If you first run away, and then go to the ram of Ukrainian border guards, then let them drown. hi
      2. Alexander Romanov
        Alexander Romanov 19 July 2013 10: 34
        13
        Quote: dominatus
        That is - do you mind that the Ukrainian border guards, on their territory, would stop fines for Russian poachers and start drowning them?

        Similar to this koment today will be, but what, again, Russia is to blame. Moreover, in Ukraine itself they decided to promote it.
        1. experienced
          experienced 19 July 2013 10: 47
          15
          Quote: Alexander Romanov
          Similar to this koment today will be, but what, again, Russia is to blame. Moreover, in Ukraine itself they decided to promote it.

          Well, really funny, but what border violators need to be caught up kissing in the ass and giving cash bonuses? Be aware that the border is not the territory of the supermarket and violation of it is a serious crime, which should be punished by law. Border guards are not clowns or animators who can be laughed at and then run away.
        2. Fastblast
          Fastblast 19 July 2013 11: 50
          +7
          Alexander, what does Russia have to do with it?


          According to sabzh: Of course, it is a pity that people died, but they themselves are to blame, it was not necessary to provoke.
          1. Alexander Romanov
            Alexander Romanov 19 July 2013 12: 03
            +1
            Quote: Fastblast
            Alexander, what does Russia have to do with it?

            This is not for me - this is for your politicians, read the article, not just komenty hi
            1. Fastblast
              Fastblast 19 July 2013 12: 32
              +5
              For our politicians and journalists throwing a fan for a long time no questions. It is clear to everyone what these characters do.
              Paying attention, and even more so reacting to their verbiage, is not a very cost-effective occupation.
          2. AVV
            AVV 19 July 2013 20: 16
            +1
            Of course, I feel sorry for the people! The joint commission, I think, will figure out who to encourage and who to punish !!! I think it will be more correct !!!
          3. Revolver
            Revolver 20 July 2013 08: 26
            +3
            Quote: Fastblast
            Alexander, what does Russia have to do with it?


            By sabzh: Of course, it’s a pity that people died, but they themselves are to blame, it was not necessary to provoke.

            Blame EBN and Kravchuk who came up with the border. And Gorbachev who brought it to this. From time to time there was no border and should not have been.
      3. aepocmam
        aepocmam 19 July 2013 11: 05
        0
        Let them try ... Here you are not here
      4. Cynic
        Cynic 19 July 2013 12: 45
        0
        Quote: dominatus
        ceased to fine Russian poachers, and began to drown them?

        Do not distort if you do not know how.
      5. Ezhaak
        Ezhaak 19 July 2013 13: 15
        +1
        Quote: dominatus
        so that the Ukrainian border guards, on their territory, stop fining Russian poachers and start drowning them?

        there is unequivocal and irrefutable evidence of the initial intentions of the border guards in the deliberate and pre-planned run-in of Ukrainian fishermen near the Russian coast?
        But Ukrainian border guards do not stand on ceremony, even on trains. Comply with the law. There are no words. Commendable. Well done.
        1. Ivan.
          Ivan. 19 July 2013 15: 06
          0
          Quote: Hedgehog
          But Ukrainian border guards do not stand on ceremony, even on trains. Comply with the law. There are no words.

          Moreover, they are guided exclusively by profit and it is not surprising if we sum up the amount of "invested" funds in this "type of business" in the form of bribes from admission to school to "pogroms" at the borders (you have to pay a percentage or amount from unofficial taxes). Likewise, the traffic cops, it all depends on how the authorities put this work at the top.
      6. Ivan.
        Ivan. 19 July 2013 14: 52
        0
        Quote: dominatus
        That is - do you mind that the Ukrainian border guards, on their territory, would stop fines for Russian poachers and start drowning them?

        The toad will strangle rather than stop fines and you will not fine the dead!
      7. 1c-inform-city
        1c-inform-city 19 July 2013 17: 20
        0
        DO NOT mind
      8. kartalovkolya
        kartalovkolya 20 July 2013 08: 47
        +1
        If you climbed into someone else’s garden, be prepared to receive it to the fullest. And for this they are border guards and it doesn’t matter either Ukrainian or Russian, and he is the violator.
      9. kartalovkolya
        kartalovkolya 20 July 2013 09: 00
        -1
        Died so dead. They shared everything, separated the border: in short, there is nothing to lament. Yes, I feel sorry for the people, but the brains in the market are not for sale, and the border guard does not matter whose, he swore to defend the border. And if you have to drown, the flag does not matter. I have great respect for the Ukrainian border guards and will not raise a roar if they infringe our intruder!
    2. velikoros-xnumx
      velikoros-xnumx 20 July 2013 12: 08
      0
      For starters, these principles must be applied to violators and poachers who are alien to us from nationalities and countries, and not to young children. And with these, it’s somehow very bad for us.
  3. Alexander Romanov
    Alexander Romanov 19 July 2013 10: 14
    +8
    We are constantly being caught by poachers from China, I got caught answering and there is nothing to dump. It is not clear the actions of the Ukrainian Foreign Ministry that they decided to recoup for the downed plane. The death of people is always a tragedy, but turned into a political show .... why?
  4. Baron Wrangell
    Baron Wrangell 19 July 2013 10: 15
    12
    I feel sorry for the men, very much! they are out of luck! But why the hell did they start to run from the border guards, they stopped, would have received a fine, and they were alive and healthy home. And so ......! alas, they divided us, now such things are happening, and soon, skirmishes will begin on the land border. God forbid of course! I sincerely condole with ordinary men.
    And the border guards did their job! You can't blame them!
  5. buzuke
    buzuke 19 July 2013 10: 20
    +7
    of course, it’s a pity for people, but when our plane was shot down, the Ukrainians didn’t very much rush to cooperate in the investigation, not to mention the payment of compensation
  6. Grigorich 1962
    Grigorich 1962 19 July 2013 10: 20
    0
    scha from this inflate sho Russia attacked unarmed Ukraine .... which quietly fished ...
  7. Alexanderlaskov
    Alexanderlaskov 19 July 2013 10: 22
    19
    Bad news. Sorry for the Ukrainians. The economic situation in Ukraine is deplorable. In Mariupol was in the spring of this year. Everyone speaks Russian. The attitude towards the Russians is very good.
    1. afire
      afire 19 July 2013 11: 53
      0
      let them move to the same Yeysk, get the passports of the Russian Federation, nobody forcibly holds anyone back, and leave Ukraine from Russia - consider that you haven’t moved, still at home
      1. Nevsky
        Nevsky 19 July 2013 12: 15
        +5
        Quote: afire
        let them move to the same Yeysk, get the passports of the Russian Federation, nobody forcibly holds anyone back, and leave Ukraine from Russia - consider that you haven’t moved, still at home


        You are so interesting. If whole regions and constituent entities of the Russian Federation, and, in general, primordially Russian lands would end up after 1991, were not part of Russia. Would you leave home, relatives, friends, work, relatives' graves? As you said yourself, in Eastern Ukraine there is no difference between the Russian Federation.

        We are not talking about an enclave which, by the will of fate, has been cut off from Russia, RUSSIA IS DISSECTED, dear !!! fool

        We live here for generations on Russian soil, and in Moscow liberals have traditions, go out to rallies, and give away Russian lands.

        I don’t see the difference, and you?




        2013

      2. MG42
        MG42 19 July 2013 12: 16
        +2
        Quote: afire
        let them move to the same Yeysk, get Russian passports

        Not so fast things are done ..
        So again the sequence:
        - registration of a foreign citizen at the place of stay;
        - obtaining a temporary residence permit;
        - residence permit in the Russian Federation;
        - registration of citizenship of the Russian Federation
        to fulfill their work, for which they came to Russia.
        Registration of a temporary residence permit in the Russian Federation
        Type of service Registration time Price, rub
        Temporary residence permit from 2 to 3 months. from 30 000
        Residence permit from 4 to 6 months. from 40 000
        1. itkul
          itkul 19 July 2013 12: 45
          0
          Quote: MG42
          Not so fast things are done ..


          I have a friend from Ukraine, so he just issued a fictitious marriage with a Russian woman and received Russian citizenship, it’s cheaper for mine, than you describe
          1. MG42
            MG42 19 July 2013 12: 51
            +5
            Quote: itkul
            I have a friend from Ukraine, so he just issued a fictitious marriage with a Russian woman

            I do not describe a fictitious marriage, but according to the accelerated procedure <for money> only the birds sing for free and wait, wait, wait ..

            http://xn--80aewhndhf.xn--p1ai/grajdanstvo/
  8. BARKAS
    BARKAS 19 July 2013 10: 32
    +1
    One thing I can say is that people didn’t come from Russia from fat, but to somehow make ends meet

    In order to make ends meet, you can go fishing and take these hikes here, fish sailed for Pilengas in demand and risked for a rather big profit.
  9. pa_nik
    pa_nik 19 July 2013 10: 32
    -1
    Quote: Alexander Romanov
    We are constantly caught poachers from China



    We did NOT have THESE only in the Sea of ​​Azov !!! laughing and the Japanese - for heaps .. on trawlers repeat
    1. Flooding
      Flooding 19 July 2013 11: 10
      +1
      Quote: pa_nik
      We did NOT have THESE only in the Sea of ​​Azov

      Badly said. Brothers after all. And laughing emoticons are completely out of place when it comes to loss of life.
      Of course, the fishermen are to blame once they entered the territorial waters of the Russian Federation. But, of course, it would be better if the border guards worked effectively at the interception. And no matter how you look, the news is gloomy.
      1. afire
        afire 19 July 2013 11: 55
        0
        I am sure that the border guards did not want such an outcome, apparently some kind of crooked maneuver of both ships led to the death of one of them, an accident, maybe I would like it to be that way.
      2. maxvet
        maxvet 19 July 2013 11: 57
        +1
        I understand he is about the Chinese, so the smiley is that Chinese poachers in Azov
  10. Nikitin
    Nikitin 19 July 2013 10: 44
    -10 qualifying.
    Edward Snowden was transported to Kiev in an overturned longboat, which Ukraine stole from the transit zone of Sheremetyevo Airport. Russian border guards caught him to extradite the United States. The body, unfortunately, has not yet been found.
  11. mirag2
    mirag2 19 July 2013 10: 46
    0
    It was not necessary to run, but the poachers had to be wetted, they got it out to destroy animals by lawlessness (and fish too).
  12. Strelok20883
    Strelok20883 19 July 2013 10: 52
    0
    There was a similar situation in 2008, the Sea of ​​Azov, the district of Heisk. We clicked three Ukrainians with 8 bags of bearing, the boat was confiscated, the Ukrainians condition.
  13. Mhpv
    Mhpv 19 July 2013 11: 01
    0
    Just do not immediately politicize this incident.
    The causes of the incident are obvious:
    "Sailors are obliged to coordinate their actions with us if they plan to sail further than 2 miles from the border."

    Where did the Ukrainian border guards look?
    “Legally, the fishermen went fishing or not, law enforcement agencies will figure it out. One thing I can say is that people didn’t go to Russia from fat, but to somehow make ends meet by selling the catch. Only 470 officially work in our village of one and a half thousand able-bodied people. Mostly go to Novoazovsk, Mariupol. Only 70 were involved in agriculture in the village, and in Soviet times there were a thousand. The rest earn fish. ”

    Is it your fault in Russia? It is time to think about our own people, and even managed to cut wires under voltage, only to hand them over for scrap in order to live.
    "During the pursuit and maneuvering, a Russian border boat collided with a Ukrainian small vessel. As a result of the incident, the fishing vessel capsized."

    If there was a persecution, then they tried to hide, so there was something to hide with, and excuse the ship, but the car cannot be slowed down immediately.
    In Soviet times, we also drove our fishermen and Chukchi, who went fishing after pouring a strong drink, but everyone had the mind to stop and not bring the matter to a ram or warning fire.
    It is a pity that the Ukrainian leadership forced its people to support themselves with such a risk (for example, with gasoline in cans they run to Chertkovo through the railway until someone flashes up and then they sort it out) and yet just had to stop.
  14. mamba
    mamba 19 July 2013 11: 14
    +3
    I happened to somehow see two rams on the Volga near Saratov.
    A wooden party boat with drunken fishermen did not miss a local motor ship of the "Mo" type, which was leaving the pier and picking up speed. The party "cut" "Mo" at a distance of ten meters, and he cut her left side to the keel with his stem. The boat quickly sank to the level of the sides, next to it floated sober fishermen with bulging eyes, surrounded by wooden spoons. "Mo" backed up, pulled his nose out of the boat, lifebuoys flew into the water. None of the people were hurt, and it was twenty meters to the shore.
    The second incident happened at night and ended tragically. The tug, pushing in front of itself an empty barge, which sat high in the water and blocked his visibility, crushed a Progress-class boat, anchored in the fairway, along with drunken men who slept in it. One second and there is no boat or people. In the dim light of the waning moon, the picture looked ominous.
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  15. grafrozow
    grafrozow 19 July 2013 11: 14
    -5
    Read carefully - they wanted to sell the catch in Russia. It is more surprising that for half of the forum, Ukraine is something like Udmurdia or Tatarstan. 49000000 people live in Ukraine. 23 regions, in the Donetsk region 82% RUSSIAN, they don’t speak Ukrainian, They are not Lviv and Zhytomyr and still the population of Donetsk, Lugansk, Kharkov regions for joining Russia. Yanukovych was supported only because he promised to remove the border with Russia and introduce the ruble but he became president and didn’t do a damn thing. They don’t write in the news, but I wonder if there were warning shots or not?
    1. experienced
      experienced 19 July 2013 11: 21
      0
      Quote: grafrozow
      Read carefully - would like to sell the catch in Russia.

      Now you can write whatever you like "ends in water", even if the milk was brought to orphans. Or maybe they were carrying hemp or weapons ...
      Quote: grafrozow
      What is more surprising is that for half on the forum, Ukraine is something like Udmurdia or Tatarstan.

      No, this is a much poorer population. Tatarstan is flourishing, have you seen Kazan? However, if they had seen it, they would not have written such garbage ...
      Quote: grafrozow
      49000000 people live in Ukraine.

      And 20% of migrant workers in Russia according to statistics, Ukrainians
      Quote: grafrozow
      They don’t write in the news, but I wonder if there were warning shots or not?

      There was persecution and as a result of this clash. Warning shots are important in case of drowning from the AU, and in this case it does not matter
      1. Shaitan
        Shaitan 19 July 2013 11: 56
        +5
        From a resident of Kazan Experienced respect! :-)
        But as a Tatar living in Kazan, with respect to all 139 nationalities living in Tatarstan, I note - not Tatar, but Tatarstan! And in KAZAN it’s really GOOD, I invite all compatriots and neighbors to visit!
        1. experienced
          experienced 19 July 2013 12: 37
          +1
          Quote: Shaitan
          I note - not Tatarstan, but Tatarstan!

          Sorry, in the park I printed taking into account the comment of the opponent hi Really ashamed ... but you can’t fix it.
          Quote: Shaitan
          And in KAZAN it’s really GOOD,

          It was repeatedly, a very beautiful city and there is something to see and admire hi
          Only on the outskirts in the dark is not worth walking laughing
          1. Tersky
            Tersky 19 July 2013 14: 15
            +3
            Quote: seasoned
            Really ashamed ... but you can’t fix it.

            can.. wink
      2. grafrozow
        grafrozow 19 July 2013 12: 38
        +3
        Experienced, you imagine what a fishing boat and a border boat, an elephant and a pug are.
        Quote: seasoned
        Or maybe they brought hemp or weapons ...

        Do not confuse Ukraine with Tajikistan.
        Quote: seasoned
        No, this is a much poorer population. Tatarstan is flourishing, have you seen Kazan? However, if they had seen it, they would not have written such garbage ...

        I was in Kazan, I liked the Kremlin, the mosque and the church are nearby, there are no homeless people at the station and the meta do not cling to. Donetsk, this is a city of a million roses, recognized by UNESCO, if I was there, I would not write such crap. Tatarstan compared Ukraine in terms of area and number population, if you do not understand, do not distort. And at the expense of who is poor and who is rich, I will simply answer you. In our trust "Severgazstoy" shift workers from all over Russia - Tatars, Bashkirs, Udmurda, Mari, Mordvins, Omsk, Tula, Perm .... There is even one from Vladivostok, None of them said that from a good life he left his family and went to earn money. They work for 10 hours 6 days, the salary is 20-25 thousand rubles, although according to statistics, the average salary. and YNAO 75t.rub. I don’t know where this figure comes from, but clearly from the ceiling, and so they tell how "rich" they live and I have no reason not to believe them. I have so many friends that when I go on vacation from Nadym to Ukraine, my wife does not have enough patience until I I will visit everyone, and I myself see how people live, the same central Russia is a millionaire on a millionaire.
        Quote: seasoned
        And 20% of migrant workers in Russia according to statistics, Ukrainians
        And how many Russians according to statistics work abroad? Oh well, drank beer? drinks
    2. bistrov.
      bistrov. 19 July 2013 13: 22
      +1
      Quote: grafrozow
      49000000 people live in Ukraine.

      Well, if more precisely, then 45,48 million people, and in May the population of Ukraine decreased by 15 thousand people.
      1. grafrozow
        grafrozow 19 July 2013 13: 31
        +1
        In, damn it, he used the old numbers, it's time to introduce maternal capital. I don’t understand one thing, in the spring I was in Artemovsk, Donetsk region. and my mother went to the passport office, and there a bunch of either Kyrgyz or Tajiks register the citizenship of Ukraine. What the hell is this for hell with Ukraine?
    3. Mhpv
      Mhpv 19 July 2013 13: 54
      +1
      Quote: grafrozow
      but I wonder if there were warning shots or not?

      The weapons of border ships (aircraft) can be used in pursuit of offending vessels in hot pursuit in inland sea waters, in the territorial sea, the exclusive economic zone and over the continental shelf of the Russian Federation, as well as outside them before these vessels enter the territorial sea of ​​their country or a third state if:

      a) pursuing border ships (aircraft), other forces and means of the federal executive bodies, assisting them within their competence, will ascertain with the help of available and practically applicable means that the offending vessel or one of its boats ( other floating means) that act together and use the pursued intruder as a base vessel, are located in inland sea waters, in the territorial sea or (as the case may be) in and the exclusive economic zone and over the continental shelf of the Russian Federation;

      b) the pursuit of the intruder vessel was initiated only after the border ship (aircraft) gave a visual or audible signal to stop from a distance that allows the intruder vessel to see or hear this signal, which the intruder vessel ignores when attempting to escape;

      c) the persecution was carried out continuously from the moment it began to the decision on the use of weapons.
      More details here:
      http://www.rg.ru/2010/03/02/granica-dok.html
      1. grafrozow
        grafrozow 19 July 2013 15: 53
        0
        Thank you for the information. I just remembered "Admiral Nakhimov" and "Petr Vasev", the sea is not "Pupkina" street where two cars will not disperse. Something they do not finish. These fishermen were not newcomers and knew perfectly well that they were not joking with the border guards. I finished before the army and saw the base of the MCHPV, it makes no sense to compare the launch and the patrol. I doubt however.
  16. pa_nik
    pa_nik 19 July 2013 11: 45
    0
    Quote: Flood
    Badly said.


    More closely. stop Commented on the remark of A. Romanov on the presence of the CHINESE. As a rule, discussions go aside the topic of the article. This case is no exception.

    And the fact that people died is mostly their fault. Check out the comments above.

    “Why did you run away?”
    - Habit. You catch up - I'm running away. Why did you catch up?
    - And I have a habit. (C) the film "Beware of the car"
    1. Flooding
      Flooding 19 July 2013 11: 52
      +1
      Quote: pa_nik
      More closely. Commented on the remark of A. Romanov on the presence of the CHINESE

      Sorry, my oversight.

      Quote: pa_nik
      And the fact that people died is mostly their fault.

      I can not agree. At risk, they probably understood that they were not at stake in their own lives.
  17. MG42
    MG42 19 July 2013 11: 50
    +3
    There was a tragedy. Not from a good life, they went so far into the sea to fish, really there is a difficult economic situation in the village .. And in Ukraine this is now one of the top news.
  18. Rjn
    Rjn 19 July 2013 12: 09
    +1
    The longboat is also not bad: two Yamaha engines, speed 90 - 95 km / h, it will be a pity if they confiscate, that's why they tried to leave. Previously, it turned out.
    1. MG42
      MG42 19 July 2013 12: 24
      +2
      This trough is not worth the lives, if you knew how it would end, you would give it with joy ..
    2. grafrozow
      grafrozow 19 July 2013 18: 47
      +1
      Quote: RJN
      The longboat is also not bad: two Yamaha engines, speed 90 - 95 km / h, it will be a pity if they confiscate, that's why they tried to leave.

      Bullshit, the speed of 58 knots, this is no longer a longboat, but a UFO. With such speed they could only be caught up with a helicopter.
  19. Gorchilin
    Gorchilin 19 July 2013 12: 15
    -6
    Yes, what a border in the ass .. This water area has historically been an inland sea, swimming there for decades without any troubles. After 1991, there was by no means at least some kind of guard appeared there. What kind of terrorists are there, except perhaps drunk tourists on motorboats or vacationers on mattresses that were blown away from the shore by the wind.

    The border guards decided to visit, play war games, made a collision. From a distance of a couple of cable ones it is already clearly visible what kind of watercraft and what kind of threat to the defense and security the state emanates from it. That is, border guards.

    So, for reference, a small trifle in those parts of the darkness, if you fool everyone to drown ..
    1. Cynic
      Cynic 19 July 2013 12: 55
      +1
      Quote: Gorchilin
      if you fool everyone to drown ..

      However, from all the darkness it was these who fell under the hand.
      On the living cut and wonder _ Why is blood?
      And then there may be more, time goes on and the border becomes the border! Not the 90s and not even the beginning of the 2000s.
      request
  20. Drosselmeyer
    Drosselmeyer 19 July 2013 12: 34
    +4
    Honestly tired of these poachers. Soon there will be no fish at all in Azov. Well, in such thieves' specialties as poaching, risk is a risk.
  21. Drosselmeyer
    Drosselmeyer 19 July 2013 12: 35
    0
    Honestly tired of these poachers. Soon there will be no fish at all in Azov. Well, in such thieves' specialties as poaching, risk is a risk.
  22. Smersh
    Smersh 19 July 2013 12: 41
    0
    Our border guards are absolutely not to blame, they were doing their duty.
  23. Thunderbolt
    Thunderbolt 19 July 2013 12: 42
    0
    What are the questions for the Russian border guards? They carried out the task at their frontier. They are not fiends, but they carry out their task at 5.Rubezhi is not a passage yard soldier
  24. Nike
    Nike 19 July 2013 12: 49
    +3
    After reading these comments, you can safely say that at least 4/5 was present in this incident. Or at least a dozen times talked with the border guards. You ate what you were presented with the journalists who were not there too, but wrote from someone else's words that described the situation as they profitable. So be more restrained, the court will show who is right and who is not.
    1. Cynic
      Cynic 19 July 2013 13: 24
      0
      Quote: nike
      we can safely say that at least 4/5 was present in this incident

      Unlikely .
      Quote: nike
      or at least a dozen times communicated with border guards

      I’m hardly with these, but I think everyone and repeatedly communicated with the servicemen from these troops!
      So what a reaction in life.
      1. Thunderbolt
        Thunderbolt 19 July 2013 13: 59
        +1
        Quote: nike
        the court will show who is right and who is not
        What court, the border is the border, and there are no jokes, and they don’t allow crossing in all possible ways. We wanted independence, well, there’s nothing to whine and appeal to the world community (this is the whole parsley campaign, of course, you’ll be heard there, only this but it’s necessary). But the border guards worked clearly. Once again for the weak-witted: The border is a sacred border, everything else is a sneak for those who do not enter. We die of condolences, but we are discussing a technical question. How should the border guards act if they have a charter and they swore to fulfill it. Well, how, they have to act as minus signers, sprinkle with marmalades?
  25. Muxalet
    Muxalet 19 July 2013 12: 55
    +6
    People died. Poachers are not poachers, intentionally or through negligence, the relevant authorities should evaluate this. A tragedy occurred for one side and a big nuisance for the other. What's in this "BUSY"?
    1. Cynic
      Cynic 19 July 2013 13: 20
      +2
      entertaining details

      Quite rightly you noticed
      Quote: Muxalet
      What's in this "BUSY"?

      Mass media ...
      For the sake of a red word, neither mother nor father will regret it!
      negative
  26. IsailoR
    IsailoR 19 July 2013 12: 58
    0
    Our official authorities responded adequately and fairly to the Ukrainian note on the incident. Fishermen are humanly sorry. Not from a good life poaching.
    To determine the "proportionality" of the actions of our border guards, you must first wait for the minute to recover from these events. However, it is not maniacs who sit on our boat. So the captain considered his actions in that situation to be objectively necessary. We are waiting for the investigation.
    1. Nike
      Nike 19 July 2013 13: 39
      +2
      Yes, in such cases, the means of objective control should work, if the electricians did not "accidentally" turn off the light. PS At 13.05, during a U-turn, a Tsesna-type aircraft from the Russian Federation flew into the territory of Ukraine (passed over the house at an altitude of 150 meters, from the border of 500 meters, so that it was necessary to shoot him down ???!)
      1. Zopuhhh
        Zopuhhh 19 July 2013 16: 27
        +1
        If you were LEGALLY asked to stop, and you gave a tear, then I'm sorry, I’m to blame myself. The border guards in my opinion did everything right
      2. ded10041948
        ded10041948 20 July 2013 10: 14
        0
        And before it was impossible to lay a turn? There is a special regime in the border zone and there’s nothing to justify!
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  28. pa_nik
    pa_nik 19 July 2013 13: 32
    0
    Quote: Flood
    At risk, they probably understood that they were not at stake in their own lives.


    those. their actions threatened the lives of the border guards of the Russian Federation, as well as the property of a neighboring state ??? your logic can summarize an article fellow or WANTED to say something?

    Quote: Gorchilin
    The border guards decided to visit


    .. not excluded. repeat

    Quote: Smersh
    Our border guards are absolutely not to blame, they were doing their duty.


    Were on a boat at the time of the incident, or do you have access to official inspection materials !? No.
    1. Cynic
      Cynic 19 July 2013 13: 45
      0
      Quote: pa_nik
      Wrong to say something?


      The moment when the boat framed the side ?!
      So it's empty, uncontrollable!
  29. okosl
    okosl 19 July 2013 13: 48
    0
    Have you heard the main news? The authorities have leaked the entire database about all of us into the network, block access to your data while it is possible (find yourself and click close access)! Here is the site- http://vbazes.gu.ma
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  30. shark
    shark 19 July 2013 13: 55
    12
    First of all, condolences to the families of those who died. They crossed if they crossed this stupid border, but these are Russian people. And I regret the lethal outcome of the incident.
    Secondly, attention was drawn to how quickly Ukrainian bureaucrats learned to fill the fog with their colleagues from the European Union. Not proportionality, not proportionality ... They are border guards, their duty is to guard the border in every way possible. What the hell is proportionality? What, they had to lower the boat and arrange sport competitions?
    Thirdly. I was always amazed at one remarkable feature of Ukrainian citizens. We have nothing, there is nowhere to work, and therefore you must allow us to violate the border. Well, pull your rulers, overthrow, remove the border, there will be something to eat and drink. But it somehow turns out strange. How to take it, then in Russia, how to integrate with the EU.
    And yet. The brotherly people of Ukraine should not be minus just because I called a spade a spade. This is not ours and not your fault. This is our common tragedy. It is sad that it fell to live at such a time ...
    1. grafrozow
      grafrozow 19 July 2013 16: 04
      +1
      Quote: shark
      .Well, tug on your rulers, overthrow, remove the border, there will be something to eat and drink. But it somehow turns out strange. How to take, then Russia has how to integrate with the EU.

      Look on the Internet for rallies in Donetsk, there are also miners who met nationalists, in my opinion it was before the elections. You will see who is for and who is against, do not confuse Eastern Ukraine with Western. I don’t put you down. hi
  31. grafrozow
    grafrozow 19 July 2013 14: 15
    0
    Damn, who benefits from pushing Russia and Ukraine together? We used to go to the same pot as a child, and now we start pouring sand into ... if Russia, Ukraine and Belarus are together, who will get worse? Belorosy, Malorosy, Dew, roots alone, faith alone, Kievan Rus was the basis. And now we sit in our corners and rejoice at every new "bump" of our neighbor. Only together we are POWER. Who served in the army under the USSR knows who stood against the Caucasus together? then think not with your head but ... oy,? Again begins, white-red, who is cooler than a boiled egg, and the fact that we have some problems that are better solved together did not think, the birth rate is falling, who will live on our land tomorrow? At every corner there are syringes with drugs lying around, our youngsters will not pull themselves up twice on the horizontal bar. It's all sad, and it will not end well if we don't change our minds.
  32. Southerner
    Southerner 19 July 2013 15: 25
    0
    the Universiade showed how our two didn’t catch up. Who served in the army under the USSR knows who stood together against the Caucasus? more details from here
    1. grafrozow
      grafrozow 19 July 2013 19: 02
      0
      Quote: Southerner
      as our two did not catch up showed the Universiade

      If you took the gold in shooting, it does not mean that we have only snipers.
      Quote: Southerner
      . Who served in the army under the USSR knows who stood together against the Caucasus? more details from here

      GSVG 1978 training center in Eisenach.
  33. Alexey Prikazchikov
    Alexey Prikazchikov 19 July 2013 15: 40
    -7
    But now there will be fewer Ukrainian suckers, I hope ... Well, or there will be more arrivals of our boats with the dead Ukrainians)))
  34. Mhpv
    Mhpv 19 July 2013 16: 43
    +3
    Yorktown also wanted to go fishing lucky that it turned out to be larger in size:

    By the way, there were no firing effectively
  35. kotvov
    kotvov 19 July 2013 16: 57
    0
    Well, and what will happen. Russian Ukrainians. Everyone understands that only together our story will continue. And Americans and p.da Europeans only and though so that we forget our past.
    1. grafrozow
      grafrozow 19 July 2013 19: 08
      +1
      Yes, you’ll understand the hell, then we’ll revive the USSR, then we’ll put them all on our ears. Porridge in my head, strategists, h ... How to eat our calf and wolf.
      1. Cynic
        Cynic 19 July 2013 20: 05
        0
        Quote: grafrozow
        You get the fuck

        Well no
        Quote: grafrozow
        we will revive the USSR ... we will put everyone on our ears

        That's right!
  36. Alexander
    Alexander 19 July 2013 18: 52
    -4
    Sorry for the people. Condolences to relatives. I do not support border guards. They did not take away the gold reserve of Russia. Why was such a persecution necessary, resulting in the death of our compatriots?
  37. Silkway0026
    Silkway0026 19 July 2013 20: 59
    +5
    the problem is that everyone (Americans, gayropes, and other dregs) have already got used to the fact that over the past 25 years Russia has taken an excuseful, obviously guilty, tacit position. Saakashvili also partly counted on this, hoping that we would forget. And everyone around us cannot taste that the time has changed, priorities have changed, tone and confidence have changed. I understand that they didn’t bother so “deeply” on the launch, they just thought: “... yes shit, we’ll get through, they won’t do anything to us ...” so they were insolent until they ran into it. the result of the "check for lice" of our border guards turned out to be deplorable. Ours are not guilty in this case.
  38. serg2.72
    serg2.72 19 July 2013 21: 49
    +6
    People, of course, are a pity, but the law is the law. Those who cross the border illegally cause damage to Russia, etc. should be punished. It's a shame that some do not understand this and are still trying to pour mud on my brothers from the MCHPV. For two years, we together with them (I 1991-1993 PV. SVPO. CAT Petropavlovsk), detained, found in the holds and under the heaps of heaps of banned and undeclared materials, fish products, and foreign currencies for many billions. Did not detain Yapov? A couple of times, the Chinese came across more. It’s just that a small part of the information falls into the central press mainly if there was shooting, and the ships are not always taken to the port. And most importantly, more of our Russian brothers, as you say, were detained. By the way, they are often generally fish, crab in the sea overload Yapam and they leave. And do not think that all anglers are white and fluffy, trying to carry everything and even people. You need to read this press here http://svrpu.ru/psv/3732/292732.php here and the arrests and finds are described. There were also arrests of bandits by an alarming group, in a raid, who were trying to get on a ship decorated over a hill, in order to take some tribute from the sailors, oh, and our guys came off on them. How many times in the port hassles were. Do you know how a dog quickly solves a problem with detention? It's generally hard to forget when (not quite right, but her dog knows better) 70kg just jump on a person, at least in front, at least from behind and just knocked down. And after a second, the fangs gently embrace the neck and when you try to move, they compress more and more. Sorry for the confusion, but reading the site did not expect arrivals in the direction of the border guards.
  39. yurii p
    yurii p 19 July 2013 22: 16
    -5
    our border guards foolishly, it was necessary to escort to the place of arrival and surrender to Ukraine, all the same they would accuse of all mortal sins, including the Soviet occupation, irony, but our behavior is guilty, I won’t be surprised if we see the switchman, it would be cool, switchman at sea. Nothing is surprising in the actions of our authorities, especially on the ground.
    1. Cynic
      Cynic 20 July 2013 18: 24
      0
      Quote: yurii p
      had to be escorted to the place of arrival and surrender to Ukraine

      Yeah, that the Ukrainian media subscribed with rapture _ did the warship violate the Independence Square and surrender to Ukraine?
      If you literally understand what you wrote.
  40. PValery53
    PValery53 19 July 2013 22: 27
    +1
    Of course, it was impossible to bring the situation to a frenzy with the loss of life. Still, these are not enemies. In extreme cases, the scent could be cleaned. Probably, the victims themselves provoked the danger in the expectation that our menzhanut. But it did not work ... Condolences to the families of the victims.
  41. Yuri Y.
    Yuri Y. 19 July 2013 22: 46
    0
    Everything is correct, or there are border guards or they are not there. To this end, they exist to chase offenders, regardless of their size. If our states agree on a border regime that does not require their presence, then there will be no conversation.
  42. kalina
    kalina 20 July 2013 01: 59
    +1
    Most of all infuriates in this article - "Interesting details" - PEOPLE died, and the fat people are busy - ... ugh ...
  43. Komsomolets
    Komsomolets 20 July 2013 03: 27
    +2
    I grew up in Yeysk and I know the situation with the Sea of ​​Azov by hearsay. Personally, I do not mind these grief poachers. They knew what they were doing. Once the most fishy sea in the world, it has now turned into an almost fishless puddle, mainly due to the efforts of the Ukrainian side. They pour out everything that moves. Poverty is an excuse, everyone is in poverty, and what to go poaching, stealing, robbing, killing .....
    But fishermen just don’t think about future generations of these grief, because already in the not too distant future the Sea of ​​Azov may completely be left without fish.
  44. malikszh
    malikszh 20 July 2013 09: 19
    0
    In Kazakhstan, in the Caspian Sea, every year, Kazakh border guards shoot Russian poachers (though Dagestanis), but there is no such noise. (maybe Dagestanis therefore?)
  45. Ofellon
    Ofellon 20 July 2013 15: 04
    0
    Interested in a few points.
    1) I found that from the Russian side there was a project 12150 patrol boat. This is not a trifle, inflatable-28 tons all the same. And the speed is 53 knots
    2) On the Ukrainian side there was a small ship. It is not known what it is. But there were 5 people and it turned over immediately.
    3) In what place did the boat overturn? Is the pursuit of a boat in non-border lawful? if there was one?
    4) Why did the border guards not immediately catch up with the MC given that they were faster than them?
    5) No one knows what happened. Some say that the MS fell on board and rolled over. Others say that the boat crushed them. Who to believe. But it’s worth considering if it turned upside down, why didn’t they immediately stretch everyone? Isn't that so difficult?
    1. grafrozow
      grafrozow 20 July 2013 17: 44
      0
      Piled on board, so fenders on the MS for what? A muddy thing, almost a clash with militants on the Georgian border.
  46. Crocodile
    Crocodile 22 July 2013 02: 59
    0
    The border guards did their job.
    You cannot run away from them, the organization is harsh ...
    and sadists don’t get there, so for the guys it wasn’t fun.
    It would be stupid if the border guards are also punished!