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About new de-Stalinization: how it will be

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Do you like Latvian politicians and publicists, as I love them?


Just imagine that you and a friend are hunting, say, a hare. Here you sit in an ambush, look, as the unsuspecting hare approaches a shooting line. Here the hare made another step and became closer, another step, another ... And at this moment, when you are all like a stretched string and get ready to make an accurate shot, your friend loudly declares his dreams about the hare: "Zaychatina stewed in red wine with onion!"

From the point of view of the hunter, such an act, to put it mildly, is not very clever. But this is from the point of view of the hunter. And you look at the situation from the point of view of a hare who has not become “a hare, stewed in red wine,” and everything will become much better.

About the same thing happens in politics. Russia has long been trapped, waiting in ambush, suffering, watching, luring, wrapping, working with the fifth column, with international opinion and organizations, trying not to betray themselves, disguised. And at that moment, when, it would seem, everything was almost done, it remains only to wait for the last fatal step ... And at that moment a voice with a Baltic accent is heard from the ambush: “Ooh! Compensation-a-sation ca-a-ah occupancy-a-ation! Many ooo! ”

Well, how can you not feel the deepest gratitude to Latvians?

So this time something similar happened. The dangerous for Russia program has resumed. Here it would be just to keep quiet, wait for the moment when it will be late ... But we are not talking about someone, but talking about our intellectual neighbors.

Therefore, they warned us. Our Latvian comrades have handed over their accomplices, one might say, with giblets.

“Russia already this year will begin to implement a powerful state program, in which condemnation of the Soviet regime will be expressed. Her title: "On perpetuating the memory of victims of political repression."

Russian President Vladimir Putin is expected to present it in the fall to international-level political scientists from several countries at the Valdai Forum. This was announced by its founder and political analyst Sergei Karaganov, close to the Kremlin ... But will the international crimes of the Stalinist regime, including the occupation of Latvia, be recognized under this program? Hopefully. In any case, this idea is suggested by the statements of the participants of the presentation, which took place in RIA-News". So, for example, Karaganov spoke about the fact that the Bolshevik regime of the USSR gave rise to another totalitarianism - the regime of fascist Germany, and also created the prerequisites for the start of the Second World War. His associate, a member of Putin’s Council on Human Rights, Sergei Krivenko specified, indicating that the cause of the outbreak of World War II was the Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact.

So it is too early for Latvia to fall into pessimism, despite considerable attempts in Russia to exalt and rehabilitate Stalin. Also, one should not be particularly afraid of Russian declarations on Latvia. ”

In my opinion, great. It seems to me that the author of this note, Maris Krautmanis, deserved a small order from the Federal Security Service and a plaque in the workplace with the text: “Here worked Maris Krautmanis - an assistant of Russia”.

So, what did Maris tell us?

He reminded us that the past attempt to “de-Stalinize” ended, though not with triumph, but still had consequences - namely, created by order of then-President DA. Medvedev working group led by a hard-working handshake Sergei Karaganov. If you remember, I have already said that it was planned then: to bypass approvals and visas of ministries and departments to push through the “de-Stalinization” program by presidential decree. It was necessary to push through because, for example, the Foreign Ministry would never put its visa under this case simply because if “the Bolshevik regime of the USSR gave rise to another totalitarianism — the regime of Nazi Germany, and also created the prerequisites for the start of the Second World War,” the postwar legal structure of Europe, all the efforts of the Ministry of Foreign Affairs over the past 15 years and all the results of Potsdam, Yalta and Nuremberg. MFAs are people who are not engaged with abstract ideas about whether the universe is square or round, but with the specific use of the “Russia” state. And among people who work with specifics - specific problems and specific people, specific politicians and organizations, specific interests and concrete intrigues, there are far less crazy dreamers than among people who like to call themselves ideologues.

The second approach on “getting through” is waiting for us at the Valdai forum.

How is Comrade Karaganov going to turn this thing?

A hint on the technique gave us all the same Latvian journalist Maris.

If we look a little at the composition of the Valdai Forum, we will see that its central part is the so-called “Council on foreign and defense policy” - a structure fully subordinate to the interests of Sergey Karaganov and having the ability to set the tone for the entire forum, on the one hand, and give consultation with the president on the other.

Simply put, this very council is going to convince the president of the exceptional benefits of “de-Stalinization” in the sense of foreign policy: “This, Vladimir Vladimirovich, is a rebranding like that!” And the final will be the Valdai forum, in which the president will be put in a hopeless situation, in front of the whole forum, put papers for signature. And this is after throughout the whole course of the forum Karaganov and his accomplices will paint Putin’s charms as a de-Stalinizer. The president will have to either admit that he has no idea about what the forum he is going to do, or sign in order not to make a scandal.

The scheme is reminiscent of the classic layout of the timeshare. This is when you are invited to a place where they are watered with champagne, they smile and wish you only good, and you leave the place where the owner of the devil knows what, in some tiny fraction on the other side of the world for a hell of a lot of money. Only in the case of the upcoming Valdai Club, the consequences are more serious.

And all this could have been done quietly, if it were not for the touching peculiarity of the Latvian beneficiaries to dream loudly and aloud about a bear fur coat in the presence of a not yet dead bear.
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  1. Deniska999
    Deniska999 19 July 2013 07: 10 New
    18
    It will be bad. Still, like all liberals and others are afraid of the name of Stalin. Right anger penetrates them.
    1. vladimirZ
      vladimirZ 19 July 2013 07: 50 New
      22
      "... a member of the Putin’s Human Rights Council Sergei Krivenko specified, indicating that the reason for the outbreak of World War II was the Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact ..." (from article)


      If Putin V.V. holds such advisers who do not understand the true causes of the Second World War, or rather understand, but brazenly lie to please the West and the USA, what can be said about Putin as the President of Russia?
      Whose "mill pour water" and his advisers and himself?
      When the USSR leadership was a traitor Gorbachev, many were also afraid to look truthfully at the actions of the “chief perestroika” and shouted “we have no alternative to MS Gorbachev”, “they do not change horses at the crossing”. And what did this lead to? To the collapse of our homeland - the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics.
      Therefore, it is necessary for all citizens of Russia, public organizations, parties that understand this next liberoid threat, to oppose the next plans to "de-Stalinize" Russia in order to prevent the President of Russia from being enacted to accept these plans of Russia’s destructive "powerful state program, which will condemn the Soviet regime "with the next name" On perpetuating the memory of victims of political repression. "
      1. smile
        smile 19 July 2013 15: 10 New
        +9
        vladimirZ
        I want to draw your attention, we learned about the liberal’s dream from the lips of the enemy of the Baltic states and provocateur Karaganov, who set out his dreams not only to pour mud on Pu. but also for that. to draw attention to yourself ...
        Such "advisers" under the head of state are necessary, remember how marsh liberals and other oppositionists cried out about that. that the authorities do not want to talk to us? Well - here is the title "adviser", puff out your cheeks and there will be no reason to yell. that you are being ignored .... of course, in the mind, they should have been felled ... but society is not yet ready ...
        All our foreign policy over the past decade shows that Karaganov gives the wish for the reality .... and put the Baltic states in their place and the Poles with their Katyn bike on x ... sent .... and the swinija with the Mlechins on the screen less and less (and there were no others at all), the late partner reassured ..... and dreams that one of these g ... social activists could put Purakom and force him to sign their wick can only cause a wild cackle .. . :)))
        In general, early boiling water is unreasonable ...
        But in the need for the actions that you outlined in the last paragraph of the commentary, I am sure and agree to all 100. regardless of the fact that this trash is not able to impose anything on Pu.
      2. from Kiev
        from Kiev 19 July 2013 15: 15 New
        +2
        "... what can be said about Putin as the President of Russia?"
        In my opinion, everything is obvious. All according to the well-known saying: "Keep friends next to you, and enemies even closer."
        1. Corsair5912
          Corsair5912 20 July 2013 14: 37 New
          0
          Putin is not Stalin, unfortunately, and his personnel policy doesn’t get any worse, Mr allows this to the authorities without verification.
          Trotskyist Karl Radek (Sobelson), wishing to defame Stalin, said:
          - Stalin is a great chemist. A statesman can turn into shit (Trotsky?), And shit into a statesman.
          It’s hard to argue with him, I quote him, and he gave me a link.
    2. Sirocco
      Sirocco 19 July 2013 07: 52 New
      21
      What do they care about in the West for our Stalin, or didn’t they have their tyrants and not? This is our story, and there is nothing to dance to their tune; Now with regards to the Baltic states, these are migrant workers of the new Europe, their cities are empty, there is no production, the lafa that accompanied them during the years of the UNION ended, they made a business card of the USSR from them, they invested crazy money in their agriculture, to the detriment of their own, Now these are "independent" , the "brothers" are trying to strain Russia on new financing, and FIGU them with butter, and sprats in tea in place of sugar.
      1. Ded_smerch
        Ded_smerch 19 July 2013 13: 20 New
        +4
        how what!?!?! Well, you give, in the 90s they robbed the Russian Federation, the money ran out, now under de-Stalinization you can once again shake so much that Germany with its reparations will feel sorry for us.
    3. smel
      smel 19 July 2013 08: 04 New
      +7
      dream of a bear coat
      From a dead donkey ears
    4. Ghenxnumx
      Ghenxnumx 19 July 2013 09: 57 New
      11
      Goebbels certainly could not have imagined in his wildest dreams that his propaganda would outlive both him and Hitler, including in the country that defeated the Hitler coalition.am

      Oh, in vain the government did not declassify the data on Khatyn, Crimea, Krasnodar, Voronezh and other memorable places where nationalists ruled the different republics and countries - now this truth would not let many open their mouths
    5. andrejwz
      andrejwz 19 July 2013 12: 17 New
      +3
      Quote: Deniska999
      It will be bad.

      It’s bad when the reaction of citizens (if implemented) will fit in: “It became bad” and ... and that’s it.
    6. aleks
      aleks 19 July 2013 12: 36 New
      +7
      I believe that the president is much smarter than the bald karganov, who pretends to not know the story and reopens it. Is he so smart., Or ......?
      1. s1н7т
        s1н7т 19 July 2013 14: 12 New
        0
        Quote: aleks
        I think that the president is much smarter than the bald

        Yeah, and therefore uses what he writes to him? Or didn’t I understand something?
        1. smile
          smile 19 July 2013 15: 13 New
          +2
          s1н7т
          Yes. you did not understand, and the dreams of Karaganov and the Balts about how they famously dictate Pu, what to sign and what to do was perceived as reality.
    7. Ded_smerch
      Ded_smerch 19 July 2013 13: 22 New
      +1
      it’s bad when the girl doesn’t give you, and then there will be a full cap.
      1. smile
        smile 19 July 2013 15: 15 New
        +1
        Ded_smerch
        Which one is complete? What has already happened? What did Pu sign? What did he at least once do as he blew Karaganov? Don’t worry, please.
        1. Ded_smerch
          Ded_smerch 19 July 2013 16: 04 New
          0
          About Katyn in the know?
          1. smile
            smile 19 July 2013 19: 41 New
            +2
            Ded_smerch
            I think that I’m koumeka something in the Polish lies on this subject, including from the lips of the Poles .... I did not understand the question ... please explain what interests you in the question of the execution in the Goat Mountains.
            1. Ded_smerch
              Ded_smerch 20 July 2013 07: 44 New
              0
              http://my.opera.com/sergsokolov/blog/index.dml/tag/%D0%BA%D0%B0%D1%82%D1%8B%D0%B
              D% D1% 8C
  2. serge-68-68
    serge-68-68 19 July 2013 07: 17 New
    +3
    Let's wait for Valdai. Listen to.
    1. Nevsky
      Nevsky 19 July 2013 11: 52 New
      14
      History does not teach anything. Now in Moscow, liberals are again raging. There are those who want to repeat the fate of Southeastern Ukraine, namely to become invaders on their land ?!

      Moscow 1991



      Moscow 2013:





      We are Russians in the south-east of Ukraine, we would love to drown these "consumers" of Moscow in the river ... I have accounts with them for 1991. I was 5 years old when I stayed on the other side of the border. You Russians do not fully understand the tragedy of 1991. Like it or not, you are in the Great Homeland, at home. For you today Manezh, is a political showdown, opposition, a crisis of power, as you like, but not what we see from the outside crying
      1. grafrozow
        grafrozow 19 July 2013 13: 12 New
        +7
        Stanislav, the “grippatriots” do not understand that Donetsk and Lugansk are only formally Ukrainian, 82% of Russians don’t tell them anything. To the point of insanity, you’d like to separate, now get it. Who asked ordinary people? .. in Belovezhskaya Pushcha they got a drunk without a button accord. Do not hell with a simple worker roll a barrel, "heroes" are known-Kravchuk, this is not all Ukrainians, it’s hard-working.
      2. JackTheRipper
        JackTheRipper 20 July 2013 01: 01 New
        +2
        Verily "A great civilization cannot be conquered from without until it destroys itself from within" ...
  3. Dart weyder
    Dart weyder 19 July 2013 07: 17 New
    15
    I doubt that the GDP will lead to such a thing, and that he is not aware of the agendas of this forum-that DAM would gladly sign this ...... so it is extremely dubious speculation ............. ..... IMHO of course ....
    P / S I never saw Putin driven into an awkward situation - there were attempts - but in the end it turned out quite a turn ....
    1. valokordin
      valokordin 19 July 2013 09: 09 New
      +7
      Quote: Dart Weyder
      I doubt that the GDP will be led to such a thing, and that he is not aware of the agendas of this forum-that DAM would gladly sign this ...... so it is extremely dubious speculation ............. ..... IMHO of course ....
      P / S I never saw Putin driven into an awkward situation - there were attempts - but in the end it turned out quite a turn ....

      Do not hope and keep in mind that DAM is a product of GDP and they are two sides of the same coin. They need de-Stalinization, this is rehabilitation of victims of political repressions, i.e. enemies of the Soviet government, as they are now rehabilitating the pre-revolutionary elite that overthrew the rotten tsarist regime and fought together with the monarchists against the Soviet government, this is collectivization, industrialization, the Molotov and Ribentrop Pact (God forbid, remember the Hitler Daladier and Chamberlain Pact), Victory in the Great War can be it was also, due to large casualties (comparison with losses in other wars is inappropriate), Dash into Space is the use of German technology and forced labor in secret design bureaus, defaming the great writers Pasternak and Mikhuels, cruel medieval censorship. Well and so on, so on. Karaganov, Svinadze, M. Kautmanisu on Valdai aspen stake in hand. And who gives the money to the Valdai Sabbath?
      1. alicante11
        alicante11 19 July 2013 11: 01 New
        0
        Well, DAM, of course, is a product of GDP. But, nevertheless, DAM is either too stupid, or pretends that he is too stupid. GDP is the "roof" of the oligarchs, which allowed them to preserve the good stolen from the people, which was supposed to sail away to the West. He was such, and will remain so. But after 8 years of the reign of GDP, our oligarchs decided that it was time to try again to flirt with the West, maybe they would be accepted into a friendly capitalist family that was biting humanity. As a result, they brought to the forefront such "Ivanushka-dimushka", and put the GDP on the bench, just in case, as it turned out, they did it right. Hence the reboot and all the other charms of the late 2000's, at the same time the oligarchs calmly wandered off the enterprises they did not own cheaply, while the “roof” was on vacation, and then the legacy of Khodor and Bab was already digested. Saakashvili, the poor fellow, was so frightened that relations could really warm up and his masters would throw him, rushed to South Ossetia and got a “roof” from his opened eye. Then he began to chew a tie. As a result of DAM, our CJSCPs began to lick from head to toe, to bombard with iPhones, for which he received his middle name - iPhone. Thus, they showed our oligarchs that "these issues can be rubbed." You only first admit Katyn, de-Stalinize that state property that you recreated in 2000, grab on us. Then we will see that you are ours and yours will remain with you. True, they did not intend to "grind". But they grabbed the iPhone tightly. He did everything and even in Libya caved in under the West. Here, even the "roof" could not stand it a little and warned the mouth of the GDP that this was already too much. But DAM understood this only when all our polymers in Libya were already in prosperity. Then the oligarchs finally realized that the time of the "bazaars" is over and the time of firing will begin soon. And again turned to the "roof". True, part of the fools, like Oval, Kasparysh, etc. tried to drag DAM for a second term. But he himself understood whether they explained everything in a popular way. And withdrew his candidacy. As a result, there was no one to protest and the protest was merged. And the GDP calmly and legitimately returned to its post, becoming to show the amers “vkinu mother” in Syria, with Snowden, etc. etc.
        But what he can’t forget is WHOM he roofs. And their goals, which relate to the painless entry into a "friendly capitalist family ...". And therefore it is too painful to make the country of dreams of his wards he cannot.
  4. Shadowcat
    Shadowcat 19 July 2013 07: 20 New
    +7
    Those. they will not take away all state awards from Khrushchev and Gorbachev, and the Monuments to the fullest, doesn’t it take for Stalin to decide to set up with us? It’s sad.
  5. domokl
    domokl 19 July 2013 07: 26 New
    16
    Putin will not fall into such a trap. Just because such an option has already been calculated. The author has slightly exaggerated, Remember Putin’s reaction to the talk of equating Stalinism and Nazism.
    But in general, this problem is worth it. It is very important. Against the backdrop of the crisis of geyrops, against the crisis of morality of geyrops, against the backdrop of a crisis of values ​​of geyrops, they need to look for an excuse for their actions. Too often European politicians lead the world into a hole. They drag it to the edge abysses. And the Russians are pulling out. Europe is dotted with the bones of our soldiers. Not invaders, as in Russia, but liberators. Liberators from the European half-animals, half-animals.
  6. Revolver
    Revolver 19 July 2013 07: 28 New
    +8
    These de-Stalinizers act on the principle of "throw a little more shit at him, perhaps that will stick."
    He will stick.
  7. Revolver
    Revolver 19 July 2013 07: 35 New
    10
    touching feature of Latvian beneficiaries

    And if you offer Latvia to pay compensation for the "exploits" of the red Latvian riflemen in the revolution and the Civil, it is still unknown who owes more.
    1. My address
      My address 19 July 2013 08: 05 New
      +7
      There were two donors in the Union - the RSFSR and Ukraine. Latvian industry, transport, etc. they did. And if the cost and even the scrap from looting the above-mentioned items is torn off from Latvia, for example, Ukraine will stop asking for advances for gas.
      1. cosmos111
        cosmos111 19 July 2013 09: 46 New
        +7

        About the same thing happens in politics. They trap Russia for a long time, wait in ambush, endure, follow, lure, encircle, work with the fifth column, with international opinion

        Why dad Lukashenko and Belarus are no one who does not, where does not lure. And not what traps does not build.
        Yes, because he is personally honest. And he personally and his deputies and the government, houses, no accounts abroad. Not that our elite. There is nothing to pressure.
        1. valokordin
          valokordin 19 July 2013 17: 45 New
          0
          Quote: cosmos111
          Yes, because he is personally honest. And he personally and his deputies and the government, houses, no accounts abroad. Not that our elite. There is nothing to pressure.

          This is the most important quality of Lukashenko to be honest and not be afraid, including GDP, and the management method is brilliantly simple. Allow to steal and look, if something is wrong, into the jail. And if it is repented, then for the theft of 350 million 5 years it is conditional, but not for 11 million 5 years it is real, as well as the theft of a mobile phone with illegal entry into the premises.
    2. Proud.
      Proud. 19 July 2013 11: 08 New
      +3
      It is not known how much is due from ALL the Baltic countries! If you lift and stupidly follow the Nishtad Treaty, which was signed between Russia and Sweden, dated September 10, 1721, according to which Russia has left: part of Karelia north of Lake Ladoga, Ingermanland from Ladoga to Narva, part of Estonia with Revel, part of Livonia with Riga, the islands of Ezel and Dago. For these lands, Russia paid Sweden compensation of 2 million efimcs (1,3 million rubles). Weight "Efimka" (the Russian name for silver thaler) is from 28 to 32 grams. If you take 30 grams on average, it is 60 tons of silver. The USSR was the legal successor of the Russian Empire, the current Russian Federation, the legal successor of the USSR. Here and count for 292 years, taking into account inflation and additional capital investments (of the Soviet period), in the form of infrastructure and other means of production (factories, plants, etc.). Let me wonder, calculators will break and burn motherboards on their computers.
      1. smile
        smile 19 July 2013 15: 49 New
        +2
        Proud.
        To add here compensation for the atrocities of their fellow tribesmen in the Nazi form ... after which the mention of the Stalinist repressions (which ultimately saved dozens of our lives from the Baltic Nazi henchmen) would look like baby talk ...
    3. smile
      smile 19 July 2013 15: 45 New
      +2
      Revolver
      Oh, the robot forbade you to put pluses so often - I didn’t go to this comment ... :)))
      The problem is long overdue and it is high time to be reckoned ... only, I'm afraid, if everything is counted, then. to get everything. that they should have to sell them into slavery ... yes they are cheap unskilled labor. who will buy them ... and they won’t give much-opt! :)))
  8. knn54
    knn54 19 July 2013 07: 45 New
    23
    Stalin is a SYMBOL of justice and stability, the Great Victory, power and prosperity of the country. And whoever tried (starting from the NX) to do this is waiting for the contempt and oblivion of the people.
    1. Sirocco
      Sirocco 19 July 2013 07: 57 New
      13
      Quote: knn54
      Stalin is a SYMBOL of justice and stability, the Great Victory, power and prosperity of the country.

      Here is your phrase of yours, I think it is necessary to enter in all history textbooks. What would our remember, and in the EU did not forget. Whatever he was, it was he who did a lot of useful things. Yes, there were excesses, but there was no such mess in the country. I think it is not enough right now, if he would have dispersed these Marshy end companies in the North, as in the 30s. And the silence would stand.
    2. Ded_smerch
      Ded_smerch 19 July 2013 13: 24 New
      0
      You’re telling your comrade to your fellow citizens, otherwise you’re not far behind the “glorious” Balts.
  9. omsbon
    omsbon 19 July 2013 07: 49 New
    +9
    With the name of Stalin, they won once, we will defeat the second!
  10. Galinanp
    Galinanp 19 July 2013 08: 32 New
    +2
    The Valdai Forum is a project of the West. And liberals rule the ball on it naturally. In recent years, the recommendations of this forum have been of no significance to the presidential administration. This forum has become in this regard a kind of party.
    Really significant developments that are accepted for consideration are the recommendations of the Izborsk forum.
  11. Armata
    Armata 19 July 2013 08: 36 New
    +5
    I started reading the article, I read it only until the hunt for the hare from the ambush. laughing
  12. Mr.
    Mr. Gambu4aS 19 July 2013 08: 55 New
    +4
    Oh, to collect all these de-Stalinizers in a heap and as in the 37th, I think their ardor would decrease for several decades!
    1. Nu daaaa ...
      Nu daaaa ... 20 July 2013 00: 44 New
      -1
      How in the 37th ?? fool Well, come on, come on ...

      http://militera.lib.ru/memo/russian/kerber/01.html
  13. Ross
    Ross 19 July 2013 09: 03 New
    +2
    Quote: Deniska999
    It will be bad. Still, like all liberals and others are afraid of the name of Stalin. Right anger penetrates them.


    It feels like there is some kind of provocation! Well, Putin will not carry such nonsense so that he would not slip it on him.
  14. Standard Oil
    Standard Oil 19 July 2013 09: 49 New
    +5
    Well, Putin will condemn Stalin with his anti-Stalinists, and so what? First, I want to ask: "And who are the judges?" and then as if people would become less respectful of Stalin? Those who are for Stalin will be for Stalin, those who are against It, it’s just that the opponents will have an argument: “Look, Putin and Svanidze condemned him!”, But this “argument” would be equal in strength to the same argument if in a dispute two economists about the refinancing rate, one suddenly made the following argument: “I’m right because the sun is shining, but the ice is slippery!” But only then Stalin himself said: “After death, a lot of garbage will fall on my grave, but the wind of history it will dispel "and after all once again it turned out to be right.
    1. bomg.77
      bomg.77 19 July 2013 10: 05 New
      +4
      Quote: Standard Oil
      “After death, a lot of garbage will fly to my grave, but the wind of history will dispel all this,” and once again he turned out to be right.
      In general, I believe that only the Stalinist policy with respect to the West was the most correct. hi
    2. strange and pretty meaningless
      strange and pretty meaningless 19 July 2013 13: 56 New
      +5
      Quote: Standard Oil
      Well, Putin will condemn Stalin with his anti-Stalinists, and so what?

      Ay, Pug - she is strong to know ... Dwarfs-medveputy will manage to cool - even though they are not used to it. Throwing a kaku in Stalin - they simultaneously oppose Roosevelt ...
      1. strange and pretty meaningless
        strange and pretty meaningless 19 July 2013 13: 57 New
        +5
        ... General de Gaulle
        1. strange and pretty meaningless
          strange and pretty meaningless 19 July 2013 14: 03 New
          0
          ... Sir Winston Churchill - and Pu publicly declared him Authority:
          “It is great happiness for Russia that during the years of difficult trials the country was headed by such a genius and unshakable commander I. V. Stalin. He was the most outstanding personality, impressing our cruel time of the period in which his whole life passed.

          Stalin was a man of extraordinary energy and unbending willpower, sharp and merciless in conversation, to which even I, raised here in the British Parliament, could not oppose anything. First of all, Stalin had a great sense of humor and sarcasm and the ability to accurately perceive thoughts. This power was so great in Stalin that it seemed unsurpassed among the leaders of states of all times and peoples.

          Stalin made the greatest impression on us. He possessed a deep, devoid of any panic logical, meaningful wisdom. He was an unsurpassed master in finding in difficult moments the way out of the most hopeless situation. In the most critical moments, as well as in moments of triumph, he was equally restrained, never succumbed to illusions. He was an unusually complex person.

          He created and subjugated a vast empire. It was a man who destroyed his enemies with the hands of his enemies, even forced us, whom he openly called imperialists, to fight against imperialists. Stalin was the greatest dictator unparalleled in the world. He accepted Russia with a plow, and left it with atomic weapons. No matter what they say about him, such people don’t forget about such a story. ”
          1. strange and pretty meaningless
            strange and pretty meaningless 19 July 2013 14: 04 New
            +5
            ... and, indirectly, Mao Zedong:
            “After 1953, nationalists and bribe-taking careerists came to power in the USSR. Covered from the Kremlin. When the time comes, they will drop their masks, throw away party cards and openly rule their counties as feudal lords and serfs ... ”Mao Zedong,“ New China ”, Beijing, 1964, No. 12.
            1. strange and pretty meaningless
              strange and pretty meaningless 19 July 2013 14: 07 New
              +2
              Do not find that for those faceless creatures that have settled in the Kremlin - IS THIS EXCESSIVE ?! So, actually, let them cut the bitches. Smile and wave wassat
              1. Corsair5912
                Corsair5912 19 July 2013 19: 38 New
                0
                Quote: abyrvalg
                Do not find that for those faceless creatures that have settled in the Kremlin - IS THIS EXCESSIVE ?! So, actually, let them cut the bitches. Smile and wave wassat

                These creatures are not faceless, they just hide their true bestial mug, behind verbal diarrhea and behind false slogans about democracy.
                These are the ideological descendants of the condemned Trotskyists who realized their program.
                3 MARCH 1938 P R A V D A. No. 61 (7386)
                THE PROCESS OF ANTI-SOVIET "LAW-Trotskyite BLOCK"
                Closing indictment
                in the case of Bukharin N.I., Rykov A.I., Yagoda G.G., Krestinsky N.N., Rakovsky H.G., Rozengolts A.P., Ivanova V.I., Chernova M.A., Grinko G.F., Zelensky I.A., Bessonova S.A., Ikramova A., Khodzhaev F., Sharangovich V.F., Zubarev P.T., Bulanova P.P., Levina L.G., Pletneva D.D., Kazakova I.N., Maksimova-Dikovsky V.A. and Kryuchkova P.P., -

                SUSPECTS THAT THEY on the instructions of intelligence hostile to the Soviet Union of Foreign States to draw up a conspiratorial group called "Right-Trotskyite bloc" has set the goal of spying for a foreign state, wrecking, sabotage, terrorism and undermining the military power of the Soviet Union, provocation of military attack OF THESE STATES IN THE USSR, THE DIVISION OF THE USSR AND THE SEPARATION FROM IT UKRAINE, BELARUS, THE MIDDLE ASIAN REPUBLIC, GEORGIA, ARMENIA, AZERBAIJAN, PRIMORYE IN THE FAR EAST - IN POLUS URUNISU, , THE OVERCOMING IN THE USSR OF THE EXISTING SOCIALIST PUBLIC AND STATE SYSTEM AND RESTORATION OF CAPITALISM, RESTORATION OF THE AUTHORITY OF THE BOURGEOISE.
            2. kotvov
              kotvov 19 July 2013 19: 43 New
              -1
              Thanks for the information, don’t know. But how exactly. YEAR 2013.
  15. Djozz
    Djozz 19 July 2013 09: 54 New
    +6
    I have some data on the Baltic topic, compensation in Lithuania. Our counterclaims in Lithuania: First of all, the Lithuanians have to give Vilnius with its surroundings, they received this territory on 10.10.39. from the USSR according to the agreement and the Ribbentrop-Molotov Pact, then get from Llita to Klaipeda with the resorts of Palanga, since until 1945 they were part of East Prussia, they are ours according to the Podsdam Conference. January 10, 1941 for the refusal of Germany to claim part of the territory of Lithuania, the USSR agreed to pay Germany compensation of 7 GOLDEN DOLLARS. Molotov and Schulenburg pee. On the eve of the war, a ton of gold cost $ 500 million. Thus, for the part of Lithuania the USSR paid 000 tons. gold At 1.125% for 6.667 years, a tidy sum came up. And now we are suing for compensation from Lithuania.
  16. bomg.77
    bomg.77 19 July 2013 09: 57 New
    +5
    How they are afraid of dead Stalin, I imagine how they were afraid of him during their lifetime. Putin, I think, understands what is good for them. It’s bad for Russia. We must not allow the leader in which the country has achieved the greatest success, in all directions, to be scolded and slandered.
  17. Bigriver
    Bigriver 19 July 2013 10: 18 New
    +2
    I looked at this program:
    “On perpetuating the memory of the victims of the totalitarian regime and on national reconciliation” (http://www.presidentsovet.ru/structure/group_5/materials/the_program_of_histori
    cal_memory.php)

    "Liked"...
    Program objectives:
    First and foremost - modernization of consciousness of Russian society through recognition of the tragedy people of the totalitarian regime.


    A quarter of a century, the Yakovlevs, Popovs, and Korotichs were different, who modernized their ento consciousness.
    But, therefore, they didn’t succeed: ((The people are dark and remain deaf to everything new and progressive angry
    1. Corsair5912
      Corsair5912 19 July 2013 19: 45 New
      +2
      Quote: BigRiver
      A quarter of a century, the Yakovlevs, Popovs, and Korotichs were different, who modernized their ento consciousness.
      But, therefore, they didn’t succeed: ((The people are dark and remain deaf to everything new and progressive


      It’s difficult to deceive the Russian people, we are not so simple as we seem. Not all crucians in Russia, there are perches.
  18. user
    user 19 July 2013 10: 29 New
    +4
    The problem is that during World War II the USSR bent down Germany and its allies (this is practically the whole of Europe, it is difficult to find a country there whose soldiers did not participate in any military operations against the USSR). All this does not fit into the real vision of history in the eyes of "progressive humanity" and the developed countries of the world. There are even films where American troops and their allies celebrate victory on the steps of the Reichstag. Therefore, there will be many more attempts to rewrite under one pretext or another the HISTORY of not only the Second World War but also the history of Europe, where there is no place for the victories of Soviet weapons, the launch of an artificial satellite, the first astronaut. Russia's obligations for freeing them from the totalitarian regime and explaining to us fools how we were lucky.
    In that story, everything will determine the victories of the Allies landing on the moon of the Americans, human rights, the legalization of the gay community.
    These are the goals that pursue all these attempts to revise history by Russia
    1. kotvov
      kotvov 19 July 2013 19: 46 New
      0
      I think our goal is not to let this happen.
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  20. Ascetic
    Ascetic 19 July 2013 10: 33 New
    +7
    Who is Karaganov? Here are some milestones of his journey. His Ph.D. and doctoral dissertations are devoted to the study of international aspects of US policy (not Russia!). Moreover, in 1974-77 he trained at the USSR mission to the UN, in 1978-88 he worked at the Institute of the USA and Canada, from 1988 - at the Institute of Europe of the USSR Academy of Sciences (RAS), since 1989 - deputy director. Since 1995 - member of the Rockefeller Council on Foreign Relations, since 1997 - member of the Trilateral Commission, since 1999 - member of the Shadow Eight - a permanent conference on the preparation of recommendations for the G-8. And also - a member of the Board of Trustees of the Society Alfred Herrhausen at Deutsche Bank, a member of the International Institute for Strategic Studies (London), etc. With such a track record - how not to be a heady de-stabilizer ...
    Here is a typical representative of the “fifth column” in Russia, about the existence of which handshake politicians and the media do not like to call it paranoia and conspiracy theory.
    Karaganov is a member of the presidential Human Rights Council, which mainly consists of activists of the fifth column and American litter-grant eaters.
    Remember when in 2008. Stalin won the project "Name of Russia". There was a terrible scandal !. After this, the process of a new Karaganov destalinization began. Moreover, the "scandalous vote" caused considerable irritation among foreign "puppeteers."
    As a result, on April 2, 2009, the European Parliament adopted a declaration that pointed to
    “Mass deportations, killings and acts of enslavement committed in the context of acts of aggression by Stalinism and Nazism, falling into the category of war crimes and crimes against humanity. According to international law, the statute of limitations does not apply to war crimes and crimes against humanity ”
    . And in August 2009, at a special meeting in Vilnius, the OSCE Parliamentary Assembly adopted a resolution, condemning Nazism and Stalinism as two totalitarian regimes of the XX century.
    The top officials of Russia reacted differently to this. Putin
    “It is obvious that from 1924 to 1953, the country, and then the country was led by Stalin, changed radically, it turned from an agrarian to an industrial one. True, the peasantry did not remain, but industrialization really took place. We won the Great Patriotic War. And whoever said that, victory was achieved».

    Medvedev
    :
    “Stalin committed a lot of crimes against his people ... And despite the fact that he worked a lot, despite the fact that under his leadership the country succeeded, what was done in relation to his own people cannot be forgiven”

    Feel the difference in grades and approaches?
    Further more. On February 1, 2011, under the chairmanship of Russian President Dmitry Medvedev, a meeting of the “Council for the Development of Civil Society and Human Rights” was held, at which the notorious “A nationwide program to perpetuate the memory of the victims of the totalitarian regime and national reconciliation”, which the people dubbed the "plan of de-Stalinization." The goals stated in it, are in stark contrast to the beloved idea of ​​Vladimir Putin that the memory of a common victory in the Great Patriotic War is able to unite the entire post-Soviet space around the Kremlin.
    The essence of this program, which emerged from the bowels of the Karaganov Council, is this.
    1. Ascetic
      Ascetic 19 July 2013 10: 41 New
      13
      «The first and main goal of the program is the modernization of the consciousness of Russian society through the recognition of the tragedy of the people of the times of the totalitarian regime ”.

      Second goal
      "Providing support for the country's modernization program from the most educated and active part of the population ... this will further increase the moral and political authority of the current leadership of the country."

      "The third goal is to strengthen the unifying tendencies in the territory of the former USSR and, possibly, the former" social camp "- through awareness of the commonality of the tragic past."

      fourth goal -
      "Strengthening the international prestige of the country." “The President’s condemnation of the totalitarian regime, the kneeling of the Prime Minister before the Katyn chair, have already played an obvious positive role. Recognizing that all of Russia is “Big Katyn”, having begun to show respect for the victims of the totalitarian regime on their own, voluntarily, without coercion, the country can only arouse respect from all normal people and peoples. ”

      As a practical measure in the program "On perpetuating the memory of the victims of the totalitarian regime and national reconciliation", it was proposed:
      “Adopt a formal ruling that public statements of public servants of any rank, containing the denial or justification of crimes of a totalitarian regime, are incompatible with being on public
      service. "
      So no more, no less liberal pluralism and freedom of opinion. Stalinism is fascism and the point, as well as the Holocaust denial, which is prosecuted almost in a criminal manner.
      Actually, this is the main point of the “de-Stalinization” plan, which, according to its creators, should
      “Change public co-knowledge so that Russians feel free people of a free country”
      1. stalkerwalker
        stalkerwalker 19 July 2013 11: 19 New
        +5
        Quote: Ascetic
        Actually, this is the main point of the “de-Stalinization” plan, which, in the opinion of its founders, should
        “Change public co-knowledge so that Russians feel free people of a free country”

        If, God forbid, this happens, it will be a complete collapse of our entire History, our entire Culture, our entire ethnic group. We live as an ethnos only as long as we preserve, cherish and maintain contact with our ancestors, with their exploits and victories, through centuries and millennia, in the name of preserving this ethnos.
        Failure to recognize the correctness of the Soviet leadership, and in particular I.V. Stalin in particular, will cause irreparable and irreparable damage to the never-held national idea. We will turn into a herd of liberal liberals, without clan, without tribe. We will become plasticine in the hands of the “sculptors” of a derogatory modernist ideology.
        1. Zhzhuk
          Zhzhuk 19 July 2013 14: 48 New
          +4
          Hello, Stanislav hasn’t been seen for a long time, well, summer is clear, I’m glad to see, I won’t be able to stand it straight, my hands itch to extend the topic of Dima

          if it’s interesting in YouTube on a user’s channel about 10 ka videos of a similar style, although it’s certainly not funny that such people can even be in power, it seems that the biggest danger for the country is “own fools”
          1. smile
            smile 19 July 2013 15: 56 New
            +2
            Zhzhuk
            Mdya .... thongs and stockings are clearly not enough .... DAMS is always up to date with all the fashion trends of European values ​​and all sorts of vintiflyushchek ... beauty is a terrible force .... although maybe mom bought him a raincoat? :))) )))
    2. kotvov
      kotvov 19 July 2013 19: 48 New
      -2
      Moreover, in 1974-77 he trained under the USSR mission to the UN, where he was most likely to be recruited.
  21. dmb
    dmb 19 July 2013 10: 56 New
    +4
    Lord, there is so much noise because of a couple of lackeys, which Karaganov and K. are actually. In the era of historical materialism, they all were members of the CPSU and firmly believed in the triumph of communism, until the senior comrades announced that it was utopia. They immediately saw the light and with foam at the mouth for decent money began to brand the totalitarian regime. Still, it’s very simple, don’t hang out Karaganov with his program, they will be deprived of funding and will not be shown on television. They will remain without food. Normal people, and most of them in the country, thank God, naturally spit on both Karaganov’s opinion and Putin’s opinion, and if the latter does such stupidity, even his most gullible admirers will begin to croak timidly.
    1. stalkerwalker
      stalkerwalker 19 July 2013 13: 03 New
      +6
      Quote: dmb
      Lord, so much noise because of a couple of lackeys, which actually are Karaganov and

      Unfortunately, these "lackeys from a distorted history" have access to the media, promote their "ideas" on TV, where they are watched and listened to as newly-minted messiahs from the "democracy".
      Or do you think that screams about equating the SS and the NKVD, etc. have not reached the "spreading" ears? For the most part, people have the habit of believing what they say on state channels.
    2. Ulan
      Ulan 19 July 2013 18: 07 New
      +3
      You are too generous. Not everything is so harmless. Indeed, these people have powerful support and considerable resources. And the fact that they often poison the minds of people, mostly young people, I personally made sure. Yes, and you look at the forums and see how much people repeat their lies. Moreover, many are sure that this is true and defend their lies with ardor. The decaying influence of these people and these structures is obvious.
      This is a powerful fifth column, which, like a worm, grinds the tree of our state. Where and in which country they would have suffered. And here they feel at ease.
      Imagine that such structures would have acted freely in the USSR before the war. I think the Victory would have come to us far more victims, if at all. Stalin understood this and therefore ruthlessly removed this cancerous tumor. Yes, the operation was painful but the patient survived and recovered.
      And now this tumor grows again and is terrified that it will again be passed with a scalpel. Hence the hatred of Stalin, the USSR and the ears of slops to them.
      But where is the Hercules who cleans these Augean stables? I have no doubt that a healthy part of society would undoubtedly support. Because so far this is the majority. It would not be too late.
      1. stalkerwalker
        stalkerwalker 19 July 2013 19: 24 New
        +4
        Quote: Ulan
        You are too complacent

        Not so complacent. I try to print less letters (laziness?) laughing

        Quote: Ulan
        But where is the Hercules who cleans these Augean stables? I have no doubt that a healthy part of society would undoubtedly support. Because so far this is the majority. It would not be too late

        I agree.
      2. Djozz
        Djozz 19 July 2013 23: 13 New
        0
        Unfortunately, not completely.
  22. krez-74
    krez-74 19 July 2013 11: 37 New
    +5
    It always amazes me that some people know how to behave like mad dogs - they run after their tail, trying to bite it!
    As for Stalin, now you can fight him, because he will not answer with anything, but the fact is, Stalin will remain in the hearts of the leader and head of the country, which was developing, which did not stand on ceremony with its enemies, and which worked for the benefit of its people! Stalin will remain in the eyes of people unbroken! Today’s talkers, to him, as on a donkey to the moon!
  23. deman73
    deman73 19 July 2013 11: 58 New
    +2
    one word bark like mongrel on a lion
  24. Standard Oil
    Standard Oil 19 July 2013 12: 08 New
    +8
    A well-known communist and admirer of Stalin, a certain Churchill once said about Khrushchev's whole anti-Stalin fuss: “He fought a dead lion and lost.” The same can be said of the current individuals.
  25. sigizmund472
    sigizmund472 19 July 2013 12: 18 New
    +3
    for 30 years (1924 - 1953) the country has turned into a powerful industrial state. Gentlemen, liberals, and what has our country turned into in 20 years (1991 - 2013) ???
    1. Ded_smerch
      Ded_smerch 19 July 2013 13: 26 New
      +4
      but they don’t need a powerful country, they need a slander to listen to the crunch of French rolls in cities, so that (people) do not interfere like RI was
  26. Djozz
    Djozz 19 July 2013 13: 35 New
    +4
    Even preference players have an expression; The 6th peak means "compulsory play," while they say: "Russia, Stalin, Stalingrad," and everyone understands speech.
    1. grafrozow
      grafrozow 19 July 2013 20: 40 New
      0
      Quote: Djozz
      Even preference players have an expression; The 6th peak means "compulsory play," while they say: "Russia, Stalin, Stalingrad," and everyone understands speech.

      You play preference, it’s good. How is classic different from Leningrad?
      1. Djozz
        Djozz 19 July 2013 23: 15 New
        0
        I have been playing preference since 1975, boy!
    2. Djozz
      Djozz 19 July 2013 23: 18 New
      0
      You mean dark ones with bombs, it's dust for me.
  27. okosl
    okosl 19 July 2013 13: 50 New
    0
    Have you heard the main news? The authorities have leaked the entire database about all of us into the network, block access to your data while it is possible (find yourself and click close access)! Here is the site- http://vbazes.gu.ma
  28. erased
    erased 19 July 2013 13: 55 New
    +4
    If the government decided to surrender the people and history, it will do it anyway. Only fear of consequences for himself will stop power.
    1. smile
      smile 19 July 2013 15: 58 New
      +2
      erased
      Yes, nobody decided anything ... Karaganov is dreaming about his significance ....
  29. vadimN
    vadimN 19 July 2013 14: 05 New
    +5
    “Russia already this year will begin to implement a powerful state program, in which condemnation of the Soviet regime will be expressed. Her title: "On perpetuating the memory of victims of political repression."
    It is expected that in the fall, Russian President Vladimir Putin will present it to international political scientists from several countries at the Valdai Forum.

    Putin cannot accept and present this program, otherwise it will be his final, complete political suicide in the eyes of the people of Russia. If he is a sane politician, patriotic (I want to believe, but ... with difficulty, sir), then he should understand simple things:
    1. Against the background of the sacking of the country by oligarchs and officials, stratification of society, total corruption, the image of Stalin among the common people only strengthens and grows even by the fact that it was not typical for him, but so desired by people now. Having openly opposed Stalin, Putin will very much disappoint the people in these expectations.
    2.Although the slightest hint of the USSR’s guilt in unleashing the Second World War is a direct way to recognizing the legitimacy of revising the results of the war, this process will be irreversible and destructive not only for the historical memory of the peoples of the USSR, but also for today's Russia. I'm not saying that this will be a frank spit in the mass graves. It is unlikely that Putin would like to stand on a par with the Gozman, O. Romanova and other "patriots."
  30. Uncle lee
    Uncle lee 19 July 2013 14: 14 New
    +8
    Received data on a questionnaire about the leaders of the country, and so comrade Stalin I.V.
    So draw conclusions! hi
  31. from Kiev
    from Kiev 19 July 2013 15: 06 New
    0
    Quote: vladimirZ
    If Putin V.V. holds such advisers who do not understand the true causes of the Second World War, or rather understand, but brazenly lie to please the West and the USA, what can be said about Putin as the President of Russia?


    “Keep your friends near you, and your enemies even closer” - folk wisdom.
  32. Alexander P
    Alexander P 19 July 2013 18: 34 New
    0
    “My name will be slandered, many atrocities will be attributed to me. World Zionism will by all means strive to destroy our Union so that Russia can never rise again. The edge of the struggle will be aimed at separating the outskirts from Russia. Nationalism will raise its head with particular force. There will be many pygmy leaders, traitors within their nations ... ”I. V. Stalin


    An interesting fact, even under the conditions of a total shaft of misinformation about I.V. Stalin
  33. Corsair5912
    Corsair5912 19 July 2013 19: 17 New
    0
    Fools are inexhaustible and indestructible. You can understand the desire of the creatures who robbed the people of the USSR to denigrate the Russian revolution of the 1917 year and its leaders, they do not want to lose the stolen goods.
    But it is impossible to understand the idiotic "repentance" of anti-people’s power before the West for the non-existent sins of Lenin, Stalin, the Soviet people, the Red Army, etc.
    Only hopeless nerds and outright traitors and enemies of Russia and the Russian people repent for Katyn, for imaginary "occupations", for socialism, for victory over Hitler and his servile henchmen, for the suppression of fascist rebellions in the strongholds of fascism in Hungary, Czechoslovakia, Germany, etc. .
    Nerds, paying Mr. nation’s howl for repentance, count on protecting their masters from the wrath of the people and pulling Russia into a loop of “compensation” and “sanctions,” but essentially robbery.
    The de-Stalinists and anti-Soviet, for the betrayal of Russia have already earned the Navy.
    1. kotvov
      kotvov 19 July 2013 19: 57 New
      -1
      gladly participated in the cast.
    2. grafrozow
      grafrozow 20 July 2013 22: 59 New
      +1
      I feel sorry for you.
  34. GEO
    GEO 19 July 2013 20: 06 New
    +1
    With each passing year, the genius and greatness of Stalin, which cannot be tarnished by liberals of known nationality, is more and more revealed.
  35. Yarosvet
    Yarosvet 19 July 2013 20: 06 New
    +6
    _____________________________________________
    1. nemec55
      nemec55 19 July 2013 21: 50 New
      +2
      I apologize to some sort of s.o. am fool
      1. Yarosvet
        Yarosvet 19 July 2013 22: 59 New
        0
        I already cursed her am laughing
  36. polly
    polly 20 July 2013 00: 22 New
    +3
    All these miserable attempts to denigrate a great man cause a reaction in society inversely proportional, including among young people! Stalin will always remain above that bar where vile little hands can throw a lump of mud.
  37. Lukich
    Lukich 20 July 2013 21: 25 New
    0
    Quote: Ded_smerch
    About Katyn in the know?


    ... but about a hundred and twenty thousand Russian prisoners of war who were tortured in Polish concentration camps do you know ??? ...
    1. Ded_smerch
      Ded_smerch 21 July 2013 08: 50 New
      0
      You went to visit this way or decided to get into a conversation. I’m interested in whether you read the entire chat thread with my friend. smile or only reacted to my post?

      Now in the case, yes, I am aware of 120k captive Red Army soldiers who tortured Poles in their camps, but I am aware of sewn up live cats in the bodies of Red Army soldiers and looking who will live longer in this situation. Yes, I am aware that ~ 30k did not return home after a "loving" relationship of the Slav brothers. Yes, I am aware that in the Smolensk region they contained precisely those Lyakh officers who participated in this "valiant" case + there were policemen and other supervisors over the territories of western Ukraine and Belarus who came under control after the conclusion of the Brest-Litovsk peace and, in principle, the majority under articles about war crimes and genocide.

      In addition, I am aware of how the Ukrainian was created - this is when the Austravens in 14 drove the Little Russians who lived on the territory of the Austro-Hungarian Empire to concentration camps and asked one question, "Are you Ukrainian or Russian?" and if the person said the first, he was given a passport with a note that he was Ukrainian and sent to work, and if the person said the second, he was shot near the pit that was buried by newly made Ukrainians.