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Pilots are taught the conditions of survival in extreme conditions

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Pilots are taught the conditions of survival in extreme conditionsIn the Krasnodar Territory, on the basis of a special center for the survival and professional rehabilitation of flight personnel from military pilots from the crew aviation Southern Military District (Southeast Military District) survival training began.


For 140 hours, a special course around 20 pilots will teach actions after a wreck on land, mountainous terrain and water surface.

At the first stage of preparation, the theoretical one, the officers will study the types of edible and inedible berries, mushrooms and plants, the methods of building fire and getting water in various locations.

During practical exercises, after the conditional ejection or landing, the pilots will send a signal about their location using emergency radio stations, improvised means will build and equip a temporary dwelling, extract water, food and fire in an unfamiliar territory in a deserted area. Then they will work out the splashdown procedure and the use of rescue craft and navigation and alarm systems.

Also with the pilots will conduct classes in mountain training and disguise. On them they will gain skills for overcoming and descending from rocky areas and elevations, passing water obstacles on mountain rivers. Learn how to knit various special mountaineering knots and perform more than 15 types of exercises in mountainous and wooded areas in the wild.

During the training sessions in fire preparation, they will perform combat shooting at the appearing targets from a distance to 650 m from an AK-74 submachine gun and a Makarov pistol - PM.

Also at the survival classes pilots will take a special course on self-defense and methods of first aid.
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  1. omsbon
    omsbon 18 July 2013 09: 24
    +2
    These are necessary exercises, although it is better if they are not useful to our pilots!
    1. crazyrom
      crazyrom 18 July 2013 17: 24
      0
      It’s better to study and not to be useful than not to study, and suddenly come in handy. Anything can happen.
    2. VAF
      VAF 18 July 2013 17: 30
      +4
      Quote: omsbon
      These are necessary exercises, although it is better if they are not useful to our pilots!

      This is 100% necessary and useful training! +! drinks

      "Survived" somehow in Gudauta ... the month of August ... blindness ... they were immersed in a turntable and from 600 yetra on the D-15U into the water ... (and with them a new powder - the first big orange spot right away on the water (until you climb into the boat, until you get the false flyer ....) and here you can see right away, plus it is luminescent at night, and the most important thing is that this powder scares away sharks, well, of course).

      In short .. everything according to plan, got into the boat (on the third attempt) the powder was already a big spot ..... and around the katrans .. mother-dear, I have not seen so much and even some of the boat "butted", laughing, and now, if in a real sea-okiyane ... then how ... would "eat" for a sweet soul! wassat
  2. d1m1drol
    d1m1drol 18 July 2013 09: 27
    +1
    This is news for me! Honestly .. as far as I remember, I have not heard that we have conducted such trainings in the last 20 years there .. I am becoming more and more convinced that our army has moved to a higher quality level from theoretical exercises. May God give us strength to continue our endeavors!
    1. Shturmovik
      Shturmovik 19 July 2013 15: 26
      +1
      Each Air Force pilot must undergo this training every 4 years. I passed both in Khabarovsk and in Dzhubga. Fun and interesting, although you know the theory, but in practice it’s much more fun.
  3. domokl
    domokl 18 July 2013 09: 30
    +1
    When will idiocy end? Pilots need to be trained in survival in those regilas where they work. And now they are crammed into the heads of knowledge about nothing. Food, camouflage, fire, methods of orientation in a particular area.
    1. Vladimirets
      Vladimirets 18 July 2013 09: 36
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      Quote: domokl
      pilots need to be trained in survival in those regilas where they work. And now they are cramming anything into the heads of knowledge.

      And where did you get the idea that this will not happen? Pilots from the South-East Military District, training in the Krasnodar Territory, that a downed pilot cannot get to land, water or mountains in the South-Eastern region? What is the idiocy?
      1. domokl
        domokl 18 July 2013 09: 43
        +1
        Quote: Vladimirets
        What is the idiocy?

        You can’t prepare a person to survive in all conditions. From my own experience I know that there are only general rules (like eating what runs). The rest is specific in this region.
        1. Vladimirets
          Vladimirets 18 July 2013 11: 05
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          Quote: domokl
          The rest is specific to this region.

          Well, so they study in their region, they were not sent to Karelia. request
          1. Dober
            Dober 18 July 2013 17: 03
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            Quote: Vladimirets
            Well, so they study in their region, they were not sent to Karelia.

            In this regard, today's words of Putin were recalled.
            Approximately - "During the conducted exercises, our military HAD to be in UNUSUAL CONDITIONS"
            I didn't get it. Who was there, "muslin young ladies" or soldiers? What terrible conditions! Mosquitoes and midges initially "deviated from the exercise plan" and mercilessly stuck into the pampered * experience of cabinet officers?
            Suvorov would have heard these words or the trench colonels of the times of World War 1 and 2. They would laugh with laughter ... laughing
        2. SIT
          SIT 18 July 2013 12: 36
          +4
          Quote: domokl
          You can not prepare a person to survive in all conditions.


          But you must! At a speed of 2M, an hour after takeoff, the interceptor pilot will no longer be above Krasnodar. After 10 hours in the air, the crew of a strategic bomber may be forced to leave the vehicle not at all in the Engels area. The most valuable thing that is on the plane is the pilot. Not because he is a man and he has a family and children, but because he needs to be prepared from scratch for 5 years, but in wartime where to get them these 5 years. Therefore, it is very important that pilots can survive and return to duty. But why should they shoot from the AK74? How to eject with him !? Or should they take it from melee from the enemy ?! PM is also a dubious chance of survival. Can the bosses think with their heads and adapt which thread an existing machine gun or a shortened automatic machine for pilots? Ideally, of course, it would be nice to develop a special one, but this is too hemorrhoids in our country.
          1. VAF
            VAF 18 July 2013 17: 16
            +2
            Quote: SIT
            At a speed of 2M one hour after take-off


            Only in this case, the aircraft will "stop" the "engines", because the kerosene will run out wassat

            Quote: SIT
            But why should they shoot from the AK74? How to eject with him!


            I will not answer the first part of the question, because it generally ... it sounds like a child’s, but like .. silently (on the right side under the IPS it is fixed perfectly, with the barrel down, the store is naturally removed).

            Quote: SIT
            PM is also a dubious chance of survival.


            The use of PM is also important from the moment of signaling, some shooting, hunting, finally, well, to the far end .. shoot yourself! soldier
            1. Thunderbolt
              Thunderbolt 18 July 2013 17: 57
              +1
              Quote: vaf
              PM application is also important
              Sergey, you’re always in need of a personal one. On which side do not look at the combat properties of the PM, one answer: the answer was blew up one answer, that the enemy was attacking, that he was wounded, that he was wounded, here the matter is in the ammunition and those who feed them and sends it to the barrel and to the line of fire (a sensitive topic, but I must say) In short, we will finish writing by night: the crews who are in the rear need automatic weapons and, attention, civilian clothes, because. it’s easier and more fun to go out in. Critical comments are welcome. drinks .
              1. VAF
                VAF 18 July 2013 18: 27
                +2
                Quote: Thunderbolt
                the crews who are in the rear need automatic weapons and, attention, civilian clothes, because it’s easier and more fun to go out in. Critical comments are welcome.


                Lyosha, hello! +! drinks

                1.Automatic weapon with good BK- good

                2. Civilian clothes negative And how do you imagine yourself in the "Czech Republic" in shorts and a hat "(in summer), but in the forest?
                Only special clothing (camouflage) with many pockets.
                We grew beards for ourselves, but ... where are you going to hide the Ryazan face? wassat , and "language" .. or like "are you, deaf-dumb-Yes" wassat
                so there is a specialty with "specialty"! soldier
                1. Thunderbolt
                  Thunderbolt 18 July 2013 20: 18
                  +1
                  Quote: vaf
                  Only special clothing (camouflage) with many pockets.
                  We grew our beards, but ...

                  Seryozha, I’m talking about this .... everyone will become a saba, I promise !!!
              2. experienced
                experienced 18 July 2013 18: 36
                +4
                Quote: Thunderbolt
                ) In short, by the night we finish writing: the crews who are in the rear need automatic weapons and, attention, civilian clothes, because it’s easier and more fun to go out in. Critical comments are welcome.

                There are specialists who agree that tanks should be built into aircraft and immediately after a plane is shot down, the tank will catapult and begin sabotage operations behind enemy lines. laughing . The local contingent for fiction is much:
                -F-22 from our SUSHK moan and cry
                -AUGs a big goal and no more
                -We have the most beautiful weapons
                -All that Russia has in service has no analogues in the world
                - Syria needs to supply 1000000 S-400 (and preferably S-500) 2000000 T-90 and send all our airborne forces there
                .
                wassat
                1. VAF
                  VAF 18 July 2013 19: 07
                  +4
                  Quote: seasoned
                  There are specialists who agree before


                  Lyosha, and yesterday I "liked" how one "hurried" "taught" Aviamed (an active person in the service, though with citizens, but still in aviation), well, and so the phrase - I certainly have no military education, but you wrong and you don't understand anything, but you have to do this .. "!
                  Oh, how ... and you say ..... "uryapatriotism rushing so that .. you stop it." wassat
                  1. experienced
                    experienced 18 July 2013 19: 11
                    +1
                    Quote: vaf
                    and yesterday I "liked" how one "was in a hurry" "taught" Aviamed (an active person in the service, though with citizens, but still in aviation), well, and so the phrase - I certainly have no military education, but you're wrong and you don't understand anything, but you have to do this .. "!

                    Seryog, and they have it in the order of things. After all, they played a bunch of strategies and simulators, and therefore they know "ABSOLUTELY EVERYTHING", well, Vicky, too, like the Bible wassat
                    I met with air honey today in recruits and Strategic Missile Forces - an absolutely adequate and correct forum member hi
                    1. VAF
                      VAF 18 July 2013 19: 29
                      +2
                      Quote: seasoned
                      I met with air honey today in recruits and Strategic Missile Forces - an absolutely adequate and correct forum member


                      Plus, a very competent and educated aviation specialist, senior reserve officer! soldier

                      And continues to engage and work in the aviation industry! drinks
                      1. experienced
                        experienced 18 July 2013 19: 32
                        +1
                        Quote: vaf
                        Plus, a very competent and educated aviation specialist, senior reserve officer! And continues to engage and work in the aviation industry

                        And a specialist, he is always a specialist, and if he is a military man, he is valued more, because he knows how to discipline and manage. I don’t mean Zampolitians, it’s not relevant to grind with the language hi
                        Almost everyone with whom I served worked for me, albeit in retirement (though I received pensions at the age of 40-45)
                  2. sashka
                    sashka 18 July 2013 19: 12
                    +2
                    Quote: vaf
                    Of course I don’t have a military education, but you are wrong and do not understand anything

                    Cool .. I’m sick. I don’t understand anything, but here’s the advice of the ladies .. Slightly lounged under the table)))) Sergey can’t mock sick people like that ..
                2. Thunderbolt
                  Thunderbolt 19 July 2013 09: 31
                  0
                  Poplars forgot to include in the list)
                3. Thunderbolt
                  Thunderbolt 19 July 2013 12: 11
                  0
                  And you yourself have been I’m not a front-line scout, but there was a sad case in my life when around the enemies visually wanting to kill you, so young and completely alive. I pray to God that civilian clothes were found, otherwise I would not have written this post. (sit and do not breathe, where there is an abundance of fighters with trunks at the ready, and everything is visually --- this is the commandment to return) Prowling for pilot suits. Exclusively they are scouring for them, visually. And here "Hurray", Hurray is the last case. In short, they did not understand friend friend. Well, okay, everything is good.
                  1. Shturmovik
                    Shturmovik 19 July 2013 15: 32
                    +1
                    We exchange our blue overalls for old-fashioned camouflage, but as for the citizen, you can only imagine how much the NAZ will weigh and where to shove it then
              3. Shturmovik
                Shturmovik 19 July 2013 15: 29
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                Automatic weapons are always during combat with themselves under the IPS or for unloading, and even grenades, sometimes put in NAZ
            2. SIT
              SIT 18 July 2013 22: 43
              +2
              Quote: vaf
              silently (on the right side under the IPS it is fixed perfectly, with the barrel down, the store is naturally removed).

              Accurately AK74? Maybe all the same AKSU? Even in my time immemorial, and not even the pilots but the airborne forces were armed with AKMS.
              Quote: vaf
              The use of PM is also important from the moment of signaling, some shooting, hunting, finally, well, to the far end .. shoot yourself!

              I hit the audience in the spring in the years getting from the M4 geese. But so that from the PM at least someone edible ... I definitely won’t get there. I don’t know about being shot. Did not try ... Bye request
              1. VAF
                VAF 18 July 2013 23: 23
                +1
                Quote: SIT
                Maybe all the same AKSU?


                Of course, AKSU, here I am old. I think for one thing and write for another. By the way, there was a variant of NAZ, where AKSU and 4 horns were already in it .. but I never saw it, let alone "use" it! +! drinks

                Quote: SIT
                I hit the audience in the spring in the years getting from the M4 geese.


                There’s nothing better than a PC or PKK! And PM .... well, you can bunny or partridge, if you're lucky .... hedgehog, finally! wink

                Quote: SIT
                I don’t know about being shot.


                You must always be ready for this .., unfortunately, and not only because there is a chance of getting into the clutches of ..... well, imagine the picture, the chair did not come off, the parachute did not open, well, and a lot of everyone and everything .. "situevin" sad
  4. pa_nik
    pa_nik 18 July 2013 09: 41
    +2
    It would be nice to conduct such exercises for the entire population of the country ... every day we have some kind of emergency thread winked
    1. C2H5OH
      C2H5OH 18 July 2013 10: 31
      +1
      Quote: pa_nik
      It would be nice to conduct such exercises for the entire population of the country ... every day we have some kind of emergency thread winked

      Duc we have not just every day, but the whole story some sort of emergency .... either the war or the revolution then the famine or the crisis request .... then Serdyukov loleven in the evening, go to the stall for cigarettes or for beer, and you must have the wit and resourcefulness to return home alive smile
      1. Dober
        Dober 18 July 2013 17: 09
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        Quote: C2H5OH
        even in the evening go to the stall for cigarettes or for a beer, and you must have the wit and resourcefulness

        And as far as I know about Russian realities, in order to buy a beer after 22.00, in addition to the above, you need to have an additional certain amount in the form of a bonus to the price for the saleswoman? Or to have close contact (not always sexual) with this very "Night Fairy Larka". It is good if it turns out to be a former third wife, a neighbor, a friend of a friend, a classmate, the wife of a friend who is next to a classmate's brother, etc. laughing
        1. Thunderbolt
          Thunderbolt 18 July 2013 17: 27
          +1
          Quote: Dober
          Russian realities
          They are different, too. We went at least 30.000 at night, where you want to be sold, only links with a coin, because the establishment is under the wing of a controlling authority. Well, she’s also a saleswoman Lyuba, she knows me from the siege of Port Arthur when I’m still in shorts for ice cream ran to her in the boutiques, well, as you refuse laughing
        2. C2H5OH
          C2H5OH 19 July 2013 17: 17
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          what is true then true lol ... and the salaries of sellers depend on revenue, and you don’t really bargain with chocolates and sugar-free orbits in a stall wink
  5. leon-iv
    leon-iv 18 July 2013 10: 03
    +2
    You at VAF ask about impressions))))
  6. Fire
    Fire 18 July 2013 10: 21
    +2
    such exercises in all types and types of troops should be carried out, and not just for special forces and these 20 pilots ...
  7. fzr1000
    fzr1000 18 July 2013 10: 58
    +1
    Pilots need to learn how to quickly save and deliver to the base. Well, to survive, too, probably.
    1. VAF
      VAF 18 July 2013 17: 24
      +2
      Quote: fzr1000
      Pilots need to learn how to quickly save and deliver to the base.


      Unfortunately, Seryozha, we have problems with this, especially in the autumn-winter period and in mountainous and wooded areas!
      on the plain and in the sand. well, if at all within 100ki of the airfield, then the timing is quite acceptable.
      It all depends on the PD and PPP (their readiness and mobility).
      And now often, at airfields, only ground-based MSS services (at the old ZIL -130-M) are well, and PDiPSS means are "ordered" in "supporting organizations, in the form of An-26, An-12 and Mi-8, but as a rule they are located ... far from the departure base.

      An example of a flight to Shatalovo, we go to the south-PSS ordered-Mi-8 (Torzhok, Vyazma), An-12 (Tver, Migalovo), An-26-Ostafyevo wassat

      On the map you can see for yourself where it is and how! +! wink
      1. sashka
        sashka 18 July 2013 19: 19
        +1
        Quote: vaf
        On the map you can see for yourself where it is and how! +! wink

        Do not "load" with specifics, names and maps .. You can fall into someone from digesting such words)) Well let me SHOUT Uraaaa. Grishka a hundred and three-volt with "esal" will have a crisis of thought.
  8. sergey158-29
    sergey158-29 18 July 2013 11: 42
    +2
    Necessary and necessary activities - especially in mountainous areas, God forbid, that would not be useful, but to know and be able to - NECESSARY!
  9. Black Colonel
    Black Colonel 18 July 2013 11: 49
    +1
    Cosmonauts are also taught. There is nothing wrong with the fact that a person can survive in unusual conditions. On the contrary, it will add confidence in the upcoming combat (and non-combat) operation.
  10. Pon69
    Pon69 18 July 2013 11: 56
    +4
    The picture is just cool, especially in the foreground is a warrior with an MSL sticking out of his knapsack and a "screw cutter" in his hands. The fact that this is not a pilot is a fact, but also not a PSSnik for sure.
  11. Nester
    Nester 18 July 2013 12: 06
    0
    Such training, in my opinion, is very important for the pilot. After all, search engines can quickly find a crash site. And by the way, do we have the likeness of American TRAP? Who performs the functions of search and rescue of downed pilots?
    1. Pon69
      Pon69 18 July 2013 12: 19
      +2
      Service PSS Air Force. In each aviation unit there is a PDS service (parachute assault service) and a MSS (search and rescue service). Equipped with PDG (paratrooper groups) and a mandatory paramedic in the composition. Responsible crews and sides were appointed, who were appropriately trained. In any case, this was the case in the USSR Air Force. In the year 2000-2001, there was a report on channel 2 about similar exercises near Gelendzhik, where my former commander Pavel Kislyakov, lieutenant colonel, head of the Air Force MSS commanded.
      1. Bort radist
        Bort radist 19 July 2013 21: 36
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        Quote: Pon69
        In any case, this was the case in the USSR Air Force.

        In the distant 70 it was. Entered the Search and Rescue Service. There is a crew house in it for a day, a board 100 meters in readiness (AN-12), rafts and everything necessary for throwing are loaded. At the regiment we had a division of the Separate Airborne Support Command. They were in readiness somewhere at home, as part of a paramedic group. PS A slingshot was included in the kit. The regiment once said that you need to own a slingshot ......, the boom has begun! Cut off all the masks of the GP on the rubber. A month later (the airdrome was in the forest, the pond was teeming with frogs) there were no more frogs.
  12. Doctor Evil
    Doctor Evil 18 July 2013 13: 32
    +2
    A basic survival course, in my opinion, must be included in the training program in all flight schools. And in such centers, let them periodically undergo additional training. And not only "about twenty", but the entire flight crew.
  13. Dober
    Dober 18 July 2013 17: 16
    0
    Remember A. Maresyev please.
    Imagine yourself in his place. Wounded, frostbite, against a hungry bear.
    And then someone got scared of a runny nose, or the fact that the "personal onboard computer" of the flyer would suddenly shut down from the "excess of information".
    Everything in life ever comes in handy. And such knowledge and skills are no exception.
    Pilots - wipe the nozzle with a sleeve, health, success in career growth, a happy personal life, more flights and everything related !!!
  14. phantom359
    phantom359 18 July 2013 22: 01
    +2
    A familiar theme. Under the Union in Sudak, there were similar courses. Periodically, two or three crews were sent to "survive"
    1. VAF
      VAF 18 July 2013 23: 30
      +2
      Quote: phantom359
      Under the Union in Sudak, similar courses were


      Hi Oleg! How many years... belay !

      So it was exactly that "it was survival courses" that tried to defeat the "iron brothers" and the "female contingent" in the Atomshchik sanatorium lol and if the "contingent" was dealt with good , then with the "iron" brothers request always the score was 1: 0 in their favor recourse laughing
      1. phantom359
        phantom359 19 July 2013 10: 07
        +1
        Quote: vaf
        Quote: phantom359
        Under the Union in Sudak, similar courses were


        Hi Oleg! How many years... belay !

        So it was exactly that "it was survival courses" that tried to defeat the "iron brothers" and the "female contingent" in the Atomshchik sanatorium lol and if the "contingent" was dealt with good , then with the "iron" brothers request always the score was 1: 0 in their favor recourse laughing

        One hundred pounds Serge.)))
  15. aqnre
    aqnre 19 July 2013 00: 13
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    At the first stage of preparation, the theoretical one, the officers will study the types of edible and inedible berries, mushrooms and plants, the methods of building fire and getting water in various locations.

    During practical exercises, after the conditional ejection or landing, the pilots will send a signal about their location using emergency radio stations, improvised means will build and equip a temporary dwelling, extract water, food and fire in an unfamiliar territory in a deserted area. Then they will work out the splashdown procedure and the use of rescue craft and navigation and alarm systems.

    A basic survival course, in my opinion, must be included in the training program in all flight schools. And in such centers, let them periodically undergo additional training. And not only "about twenty", but the entire flight crew.

    This must be taught in secondary schools. Because
    It’s better to study and not to be useful than not to study, and suddenly come in handy. Anything can happen.
  16. off-topic-off
    off-topic-off 7 June 2020 10: 32
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    Quote: Pon69
    In the year 2000-2001, there was a report on channel 2 about similar exercises near Gelendzhik, where my former commander Pavel Kislyakov, lieutenant colonel, head of the Air Force PSS, commanded.


    And Kislyakov - the head of the entire PS and VDS of all the Air Forces of the Russian Federation, or the head of the PS and VDS of some kind of association only?