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What is the cosmos silent

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1 December 2009 of the year the UFO Department at the Department of Defense of the United Kingdom stopped its work. According to a popular statement by officials, the reason for the closure of the UFO desk was the absolute uselessness of the department in ensuring the security of the country. For 50 years of intense research, no reliable confirmation of the existence of "flying saucers" and "newcomers" was received.

Of course, the closure of the British military department for the study of UFOs is nothing more than a curiosity ... and the "department" itself was a tiny office in which only two people worked - an officer and a non-commissioned officer, whose duties included collecting and systematizing all the information coming from eyewitnesses UFO. Alas, these two researchers could not find anything worthwhile, and all the evidence obtained turned out to be trivial photo fakes or the result of some rare natural phenomena (halo, mirages, etc.).

In every joke there is some joke - behind all the seeming frivolity of the event that happened on the shores of Albion, there is a real Problem - an impassable blank wall that has got in the way of the development of modern science.

Lack of space wonders

The fact that the world is far from being simple, people have long guessed - Aurelius Augustine, who lived in the 4th century AD, reasonably noted that all the most important discoveries and achievements of human civilization occurred in the recent past - the memory of generations has preserved the names of most of the authors of ancient treatises and discoveries.

Eratosthenes was the first to calculate the diameter of the Earth - the cunning Greek calculated the characteristics of the planet using the simplest trigonometry (the difference between the angles of inclination of the sun's rays in Siena and Alexandria, with a certain distance between the two cities).

Ptolemy created his inimitable “Almageist” - a collection of astronomical knowledge, including a catalog of the positions of 1022 stars.

History Herodotus, the Pythagorean theorem, the Hippocratic Oath ...

There is nothing surprising here: according to modern concepts, the duration of the active phase of human Civilization hardly exceeds 6 000 years - since the appearance of the first cities, the writing system and the beginnings of ancient cultures.

Another circumstance is much more important: the being of the Civilization obeys the exponential law - the longer it exists, the more intensively its development takes place.
1861 year: “I saw the red day, there is no slave in Russia” ... and, just 100 years after the abolition of serfdom, the Royal Seven carried Yuri Gagarin into space.

None of the science fiction writers of the mid-20th century was able to predict the further direction of evolution. Remember, like Efremov in the “Adromeda Nebula”: “Erg Noor sat behind the levers of a calculating machine.”

Absurd?

Instead of flying to Mars, microelectronics and information management have become the main global trend. August 2006 of the Year: the Japanese company Hitachi announced the creation of a hard disk with a capacity of 1 terabytes - a large academic library in the palm of your hand! Writing similar textual information on paper would require 50 thousand tree trunks.

Civilization is evolving at explosive speed - the whole huge, incredibly complex world was known in just a few decades of the last century ... sounds too boastful, but the fact remains: modern science took a few years to derive the basic laws of the universe. Sensitive antennas of giant radio telescopes allowed to look into the depths of the Universe, and magnetic colliders allowed to split the matter into separate quarks and gluons. Mankind began to understand how this world functions - the result was the emergence of nuclear technologies and unique electronic devices. For the first time in history, we received a real opportunity to destroy our “cradle” - the nuclear flame is capable of shifting mountains and radically changing the conditions of life on Earth.

With regard to the success of genetic engineering and space flight - who is now surprised by such events? Is that the launch was unsuccessful, and the exploding booster has blossomed in the sky with colorful fireworks.
It is terrible to imagine what heights Civilization will achieve in another thousand years! And through 10 thousand? (of course, subject to the successful development of events - no world nuclear wars and epidemics of incurable fever)


Arecibo Observatory. 300-meter mirror of the radio telescope installed in the crater of an extinct volcano


What is the cosmos silent

16 November 1974 was sent from Arecibo to a radio message in the direction of the constellation Hercules, containing basic information about man, the solar system and our civilization. Decoding a message consisting of 1679 digits requires a lot of mathematical tricks and uncommon logic.

According to the modern cosmological model of the universe, the age of our world is 13,8 billion years. How many times does the duration of the active phase of human civilization fit into this figure? More than 2 million times!

Two million times a civilization like ours could have originated somewhere in the depths of space, reach heights of knowledge and disappear again in the millstones of ruthless time. Or vice versa - having arisen once, continue its inconceivable way through billions of years, having reached by now some completely unreal power on a galactic scale.

In 1988, terrestrial astronomers discovered the first exoplanet, a massive celestial body orbiting the star Gamma Cepheus A.

By May 2013, the number of exoplanets found in the nearest stars reached the number of 889 units - almost each of the nearest stars, which the researchers look at, has its own planetary system. The Milky Way Galaxy consists of 200 billions of stars. The number of galaxies in the visible part of the universe is estimated to be about the same figure.


Ypsilon Andromeda D - the fourth planet in the system of a sun-like star υ Andromedae
The presence of water vapor is detected in the spectrum.

A huge number of possible options for the birth of life, billions of years, the rapid pace of development of civilizations ...

Substituting these values ​​(corrected for various unfavorable factors) into the Dyson formula and other cosmological calculations, scientists obtained a unique result — all probability theories show that the number of highly developed civilizations in the Universe must now be calculated by a number with many zeros!

According to all calculations, the indescribable should happen in heaven: driven by an unknown force, the stars should collide and unwind the "sleeves" of spiral galaxies; everywhere in the sky should be constructed "Dyson Sphere" or other fancy objects of artificial origin.

Without any illusions about the kindness and peacefulness of technological civilizations of the terrestrial type, we must observe the brutal battles of starships and "flying saucers." Highly developed aliens should burn each other with thermonuclear fire and blast galactic nuclei, the “death star” should emit its sizzling rays, and many space bodies right before our eyes must undergo changes and terraforming in order to expand the living space of extraterrestrial civilizations.

The entire electromagnetic spectrum should be penetrated by signals - by rotating the frequency tuning verniers, radio amateurs would be able to catch the broadcast of the reality show HOUSE-200 from the constellation Eridanus (a million-year-long telecast - and why not?).



Speaking in scientific language, many inexplicable and mysterious phenomena of clearly artificial origin should occur in the starry sky, which would certainly attract the attention of earthly researchers. Those “cosmic miracles”, the appearance of which was predicted by Konstantin Tsiolkovsky!

BUT ANYTHING THIS IS NOT GOING ON

The infinite space is quiet and calm - only velvet blackness and cold twinkling of stars.



With the help of modern astronomical instruments, the human mind has penetrated into such depths of the Universe, where even the wildest imagination cannot penetrate: the cellular structure of the cosmos was discovered, relic radiation and black holes were discovered. The sensitivity of astronomical instruments is amazing: the energy received by all radio telescopes of the Earth for the entire period of existence of radio astronomy is not enough to heat a drop of water at 1 ° С. A modern radio telescope is capable of viewing even the most distant quasars, remote from the Earth by 13 billion light years.

In vain! No signs of “cosmic miracles” - all movements, vibrations and characteristics of the studied celestial objects are subject to the influence of gravity and other natural causes.

June 1967 of the year. Did it happen? Graduate student Jocelyn Bell once again verifies data from the University of Cambridge observatory - there can be no error, a source of periodic radio pulses was found in the sky. This is an extraterrestrial radio station!
The object was assigned the index LGM-1 (Little Green Men - "little green men"), but, alas, everything turned out to be much simpler - the scientists discovered the first pulsar: a furiously rotating neutron star with a shifted magnetic pole. To date, more than 1800 of similar objects have been discovered in the Universe, whose natural origin is beyond doubt.


Pulsar in the Crab Nebula.
The picture was taken by the Chandra space x-ray observatory.

To date, perhaps the only case of the “cosmic miracle” can only be considered a strange radio signal received at the Big Ear radio telescope in 1977 year *. The signal, designated as Wow (“Wow!”), Was just a minute burst of radio emission at the frequency 1420MHz - so as not to bore the reader with long excursions into physics, I would just note that this frequency is directly related to the fundamental laws of nature and is considered the most priority channel for search for extraterrestrial civilizations. The laws of physics are the same for all - the “aliens” will probably guess to use this particular frequency.

* another similar signal on the 1420MHz frequency, coming from another point of the sky, was registered by the Arecibo Observatory in 2003

As for the Wow signal itself, its nature remained unexplained. Failure of the receiving equipment, accidental reflection from a piece of space debris, and maybe indeed ... Unknown. More signal is not repeated.

The Tower of Babel

The phenomenon known as the Great Silence of the Universe is becoming more and more a crisis of modern natural science. The absence of “cosmic miracles” has only two reasonable explanations:

1. We are alone in the universe

2. Something terrible is happening before our eyes.

Also, there is a third version - “the contact took place, but the authorities are hiding,” but we will not dwell on this issue in detail, because here begins pure conspiracy and pseudoscience.

With the thought of our solitude in the vastness of the vast Cosmos, it is still possible to reconcile (scientists admit that this is an absolutely unbelievable situation - life can have innumerable forms, and a huge sample of habitats gives an amazing picture of the densely populated Universe).

The second answer causes goosebumps running over the back. The crisis of modern natural science is directly linked with the upcoming crisis of our civilization - we, like thousands of other highly developed cultures, face inevitable death. The myth of the Tower of Babel turned out to be a formidable prophecy: having reached a certain limit, civilization disappears (collapses / degrades / collapses).



Causes?
Games with genetic engineering. Meteor falling. The epidemic of incurable fever.
Perhaps old Einstein was right:

"I do not know how weapons the Third World War will be waged, but the Fourth - by stones and sticks "


Warm southern night, singing cicadas. A bright flash of a match for a moment splits the darkness, a stream of smoke flows upward. Damn ... but there is something to think about. Summer Triangle - Lyra, Altair, Deneb ... The Swan, spreading its wings, flies along the Milky Way ... Pegasus ... the letter "M" is written a bit higher in the zenith ... dim brilliance lit by the glow of a big city. Some stars are floating among the stars. Miracles? Hardly. Just a belated flight from Sheremetyevo.

Black mist, stars twinkle
And they hide something from people ...

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  1. Taidrem
    Taidrem 18 July 2013 07: 45 New
    21
    I don’t know how other civilizations are there, but the fact that Europe began to degrade is a fact!
    1. ShturmKGB
      ShturmKGB 18 July 2013 09: 50 New
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      There is a third option, the Universal Mind exists, and all developed civilizations obey this mind, and we are part of some kind of experiment and are in a state of information blockade (for the purity of the experiment). We simply did not reach a sufficient level of development of consciousness in order to contact us ...
      1. Jurkovs
        Jurkovs 18 July 2013 10: 38 New
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        I agree. Something like cosmic ecology.
        1. You can not communicate with those who have not solved their internal problems.
        2. You can not communicate with those who could not go to the Galaxy. Each original mind, with its own view of the Universe, has tremendous value for the galactic community. Premature contact will not allow the mind to go the original way.
        1. DAOSS
          DAOSS 18 July 2013 13: 21 New
          +2
          "Inhabited Island" revised ??? bully
          1. theadenter
            theadenter 18 July 2013 17: 19 New
            +2
            Star Trek. laughing
      2. zmey_gadukin
        zmey_gadukin 18 July 2013 11: 31 New
        +1
        ShturmKGB
        There is a Universal Mind

        Similar thoughts crossed my mind ...
        1. Gato
          Gato 18 July 2013 12: 29 New
          +6
          Quote: zmey_gadukin
          Similar thoughts crossed my mind ...

          Well then, Universal Intelligence definitely exists drinks laughing
      3. strange and pretty meaningless
        strange and pretty meaningless 18 July 2013 14: 22 New
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        ShturmKGB
        There is a third option, the Universal Mind exists, and all developed civilizations obey this mind, and we are part of some kind of experiment and are in a state of information blockade (for the purity of the experiment). We simply did not reach a sufficient level of development of consciousness in order to contact us ...

        An anecdote in the subject. Two red blood cells are talking. "They say that there is some kind of Man. - Oh, well? - Let's check EVERYWHERE. We meet on the next round. - I haven’t met anywhere, and you? - And I, too ... IT IS GOT THAT ANYONE IS NOT!
        I mean, if we are part of the Universal Mind, then how do you think it can be felt? laughing
        1. smile
          smile 18 July 2013 17: 03 New
          +5
          strange and pretty meaningless
          Similar:
          Two aquarium fish swear .... converge, run away ... it comes to a fight .... here one of them comes back and kills the opponent with a question: Well, good. There is no God ... But who then changes the water in the aquarium !!! :)))
    2. Turik
      Turik 24 July 2013 11: 44 New
      0
      Everything is much simpler:

      Mankind has been at war since its inception, war is not sad - the guarantee of progress (the strongest survive, you need to eat a lot to be strong, but there isn’t enough food for everyone). Other civilizations, if they are, they also cut their own kind, BUT

      And they and we know the measure in the extermination of MYSELF. Interspecific warfare will not know the restrictions - chemical, nuclear, thermonuclear, bacteriological weapons will be used without reflection and a shadow of doubt.

      So why look for problems at their fifth point and yell at the shout that we are so beautiful and live here. It is necessary to be silent in a tube and not wait for “surprises” to pour on us from orbit, and to think through ourselves what to do in such a situation.
  2. vitek1233
    vitek1233 18 July 2013 07: 53 New
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    if you walk through the forest and not meet people on your way, you should not conclude that the forest is uninhabited !!!
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  4. MilaPhone
    MilaPhone 18 July 2013 07: 59 New
    +4
    It was interesting to read.
    By the way, recently on July 2 was International UFO Day! smile drinks
    The most famous UFO video:
    1. smile
      smile 18 July 2013 17: 06 New
      +2
      MilaPhone
      Ahaaaaaa ..... as I understand it, the Kirdyk twin towers came on the second run ... :)))
  5. Hort
    Hort 18 July 2013 08: 01 New
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    this whole huge, incredibly complex world was known in just a few decades of the last century
    ha, but he is known?

    As for psvedonauk and conspiracy theories: ALL religions of the world (including Christianity), myths of all nations are associated with space, heaven and aliens. And the fact that earthly modern scientists drew themselves a certain picture of the world does not mean that it is truly correct.
    We on Earth are far from the first civilization
    1. Rumata
      Rumata 18 July 2013 12: 07 New
      +5
      Quote: hort
      modern scientists have drawn a definite picture of the world

      Well, they painted it for a reason, with a hangover. This picture gradually loomed, and improved. Those who find relict radiation, decide that this is an echo of the big bang, move science forward, and those who think that God farted 13 billion years ago, on the contrary, drive us into obscurantism.
    2. Santa Fe
      18 July 2013 12: 44 New
      +4
      Quote: hort
      ha, but he is known?

      Yes, wave-particle duality, radioactivity, structure, decay and synthesis of matter, cellular structure of the Universe, relict radiation from nowhere to nowhere, Einstein SRT, field theory, quantum mechanics paradoxes - we all roughly represent how this works. But the question remained: why and why?

      Do-it-yourself radiation
      1. ICT
        ICT 18 July 2013 21: 10 New
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        Quote: SWEET_SIXTEEN
        Question: why and why?


        it was precisely these questions that Newton tried to answer, (all the laws that he deduced are simply dumps of the breed) in other words, tried to understand the plan of GOD.
  6. fzr1000
    fzr1000 18 July 2013 08: 17 New
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    We are not ripe yet. Not ready. Still waving batons, only STELS batons have become, we do not spare the old people and children, we worship Mammon and are ready to erase entire countries for the sake of a tight moshn, we also allow same-sex marriages everywhere. What is the Commonwealth of Civilizations: "Make an appointment in .... twenty thousand years, maybe we will consider the profile of planet Earth. In the meantime, sit in line."
  7. spirit
    spirit 18 July 2013 09: 17 New
    +4
    you just need to look at the tax forms! and understand who finances these "USEFUL" antennas that supposedly hear only noise)))
  8. Canep
    Canep 18 July 2013 10: 01 New
    +2
    It is terrible to imagine what heights Civilization will achieve in another thousand years! And through 10 thousand? (of course, subject to the successful development of events - no world nuclear wars and epidemics of incurable fever)

    Over the past 150 years, there have been 2 world wars, a global epidemic - "Spaniard", and incurable AIDS (most likely in 20 years it will be curable), and at the same time, a huge breakthrough has been made in science.
    1. fzr1000
      fzr1000 18 July 2013 11: 18 New
      +3
      AIDS bullshit, observe hygiene (only with a blood transfusion it may not be lucky), but diabetes and, of course, oncology are the scourges of developed humanity. Well, for diseases in undeveloped countries I don’t have enough fingers — malaria, all kinds of fevers, hepatitis, dysentery, etc.
      1. il grand casino
        il grand casino 18 July 2013 14: 33 New
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        Quote: fzr1000
        AIDS bullshit, observe hygiene (only with a blood transfusion it may not be lucky), but diabetes and, of course, oncology are the scourges of developed humanity. Well, for diseases in undeveloped countries I don’t have enough fingers — malaria, all kinds of fevers, hepatitis, dysentery, etc.


        You're not right. AIDS can even be transmitted by touch if the skin is sweaty. It is quite possible, although the chance is quite low.
        1. fzr1000
          fzr1000 18 July 2013 14: 46 New
          0
          C'mon, this is the same as cancer being infected from a patient. Although, even if you are right, then vseravno-observe hygiene and do not touch anyone who gets.
          1. il grand casino
            il grand casino 18 July 2013 18: 21 New
            +1
            Cancer by the way is impossible. The principle is completely different.
        2. Santa Fe
          18 July 2013 14: 47 New
          +2
          Quote: il grand casino
          AIDS can even be transmitted by touch if the skin is sweaty. It is quite possible, although the chance is quite low.

          the main thing is not airborne
          1. il grand casino
            il grand casino 18 July 2013 18: 24 New
            +1
            Quote: SWEET_SIXTEEN
            Quote: il grand casino
            AIDS can even be transmitted by touch if the skin is sweaty. It is quite possible, although the chance is quite low.

            the main thing is not airborne


            I would even say that thank God))) By the way, the AIDS virus is not good friends with open air. That's why we are lucky
  9. Alexander borey
    Alexander borey 18 July 2013 10: 23 New
    +8
    The existence of other forms of intelligent, highly developed life is carefully concealed and ruthlessly ridiculed in the media and official authorities. For all the skepticism with which most scientists and ordinary people relate to UFOs, there are rules for actions in detecting UFOs in the armies and special services of leading countries of the world. The United Nations has appointed a person responsible for the first contact with aliens. Mazlan Otman, the director of the United Nations Office for Outer Space Affairs, Malaysia's first astrophysicist, will act as a negotiator between earthlings and “humanoids.” There is a lot of evidence from submariners and astronauts of military pilots about inexplicable objects of various shapes. These certificates can’t just be thrown into the trash. It should be recalled that the Grid program in the USSR is a joint brainchild of the USSR Academy of Sciences and the USSR Ministry of Defense. Similar departments exist in almost all countries of the world. It is not known what special services are engaged in now. it’s possible indefinitely, I have indicated only crumbs, gave “food” for skeptics. Ignoring the UFO theme is stupid, you should even look at the ancient cave paintings and artifacts - a lot of evidence about the “visits of the gods.” However, he put a plus for the fascinating form and illustrations, although I do not agree with what is stated in it. We are not alone and this is a fact.
    1. Uhe
      Uhe 18 July 2013 11: 51 New
      +2
      I recently came across a tytruba in a video in which the former Minister of Defense of Canada just says that other civilizations exist and have long been cooperating with the authorities of some earthly states. It is funny that he further concludes that humanity does not have much time to stop falling into the abyss. According to him, we have a deadline until the end of this decade. He also names those responsible for this fall very clearly. In short, this is a shadow government and a capitalist system;)

      So it may well turn out that they are actually silent. The capitalists are silent in order to continue to rob the population of the Earth.
    2. Santa Fe
      18 July 2013 12: 50 New
      0
      Quote: Alexander Borey
      The existence of other forms of intelligent, highly developed life is carefully concealed and ruthlessly ridiculed in the media and official authorities.

      Nevertheless, in the absence of "cosmic miracles", each radio amateur or owner of a mini-telescope can independently verify

      For especially unbelievers and inquisitives - private public observatory Ka-Dar, Moscow region
      http://www.ka-dar.ru/

      1. fzr1000
        fzr1000 18 July 2013 13: 19 New
        +5
        So what?
        I have a Celestron Advanced C8 refractor - NGT in the country. Well, I have not seen a UFO in him even once. It says nothing.


        My mother worked all her life on the "boxes" associated with the Cosmos. And in the Queen, and in Star and even the devil knows where she went. She talked with Sevostyanov and communicated with Beregovoy. I asked about IT, they answered her in such a way that there (in Space) there are so many different things that, if you pay attention to everything, the roof will go.
        1. Santa Fe
          18 July 2013 13: 44 New
          +1
          Quote: fzr1000
          Well, I have not seen a UFO in him even once. It says nothing.

          It's not about UFOs
          The point is in unusual objects in the sky - which EVERYONE could see. But no one noticed anything like that, although among the fans there are very advanced experts, for example, the Russian Stas Korotky (discovered 40 asteroids and comets)
          1. fzr1000
            fzr1000 18 July 2013 14: 10 New
            +7
            Why did they suddenly decide that the "others" really want them to see them? If you had the opportunity to travel invisible, would you really not have used it? Especially where is the thread in Afghanistan and Somalia? Yes, yes, because we are for "them" somewhere at this level. It's a shame, but what to do. And in general, why is it necessary to travel to open space for a trip? Yes, 100 years ago we learned to fly off the ground and fly against the wind. And 500 years ago they thought that the Earth was flat. This was the official point of view of European science. And now we decided that the box with the silicon spiders, the details, is the crown of the creation of NTP, and we ourselves can use only 10% of our brain, the most advanced 25%.
            “Learn, study, and study again,” as Ulyanov bequeathed.
            1. Santa Fe
              18 July 2013 14: 29 New
              +2
              Quote: fzr1000
              and we ourselves can use only 10% of our brain, the most advanced 25%.

              baize

              Physiological processes occur throughout the brain - all cells work
              1. fzr1000
                fzr1000 18 July 2013 14: 31 New
                0
                I'm talking about the mental actually. And why do literary studies? Otherwise agree?
                1. Santa Fe
                  18 July 2013 15: 16 New
                  0
                  Quote: fzr1000
                  I'm talking about mental actually

                  How was it found that a person uses only so many percent? What is the capacity of the human brain?)))

                  (I read somewhere British fool rated at 500 terabytes)
                  Quote: fzr1000
                  Why did they suddenly decide that the "others" really want them to see them? If you had the opportunity to travel invisible, would you really not have used it?

                  How is it, because they are regularly photographed by soap holders all over the world)))
                  Quote: fzr1000
                  And now we decided that the box with the silicon spiders-parts is the crown of creation of the NTP

                  Remember your first honeycomb. phone?
                  were in bricks))) only knew how to call and time to show
                  And it’s just ... 10 years
                  1. fzr1000
                    fzr1000 18 July 2013 15: 54 New
                    +2
                    With regard to telephones and computers, there is nowhere to develop particularly, because even if they are super-thin, super-long-playing, super-fast, or even their screen will expand several times and then be removed, then this will not change much of the essence. So, if such a device is created that can be connected to the human brain, or implanted at the worst, and people will communicate with each other, work on a stationary console, exchange data, view a video signal, etc., controlling it only "head", well, probably it will be a leap.


                    About the pictures on the cell phones. Well, there is no limit to perfection, it’s clear that they don’t have “batteries” for “masked suits” or “Chinese” stuffed them before the expedition. smile

                    About the brain. If you are right, then this is only worse. To use the brain to the fullest and SO evolve, which could be sadder for humanity?
                    1. Simple
                      Simple 18 July 2013 19: 42 New
                      +1
                      Greetings. Sergei.
                      I completely agree with the course of your judgment

                      The cognitive abilities of the human brain are as little studied as Cosmos.
                      Maybe there is a relationship in this?
                      1. fzr1000
                        fzr1000 19 July 2013 10: 39 New
                        +1
                        Everything is possible in our world.
          2. fzr1000
            fzr1000 18 July 2013 14: 27 New
            +9
            I now have such a picture on the laptop’s desktop. Allegory of course.

            1. Santa Fe
              18 July 2013 15: 08 New
              +4
              Quote: fzr1000
              I now have such a picture on the laptop’s desktop. Allegory of course.

              good

              And I have this picture:
              1. fzr1000
                fzr1000 18 July 2013 15: 23 New
                +1
                Cool. It’s also hard to disagree. I answered below about the planets and the suns .... Science has taken a wide step in this matter.
              2. Sol_jah
                Sol_jah 18 July 2013 16: 35 New
                0
                here you can replace Photoshop with hallucinogens (LSD for example) and years))
              3. Alew
                Alew 18 July 2013 19: 00 New
                +1

                And I have a picture good
                1. Santa Fe
                  18 July 2013 19: 16 New
                  0
                  Cat Eye Nebula?
                  1. Alew
                    Alew 19 July 2013 19: 11 New
                    0
                    Quote: SWEET_SIXTEEN
                    Cat Eye Nebula?

                    It's called- M 27 Narrow Broad pugh. (Narrow, Wide drink)
          3. strange and pretty meaningless
            strange and pretty meaningless 18 July 2013 14: 38 New
            +7
            THANKS for the article! Distracts from Vedischeva. Only the thought gnaws at me that aliens among us are still there. And at an unattainable height. In my opinion, they managed to seep into ... Government. Take a closer look at them - don't you find ..?
            1. aviamed90
              aviamed90 18 July 2013 14: 42 New
              +3
              abyrwalg

              Truly - ALIEN!

              Chur me! Chur!

              Please do not confuse with Churov!
            2. IRBIS
              IRBIS 18 July 2013 17: 25 New
              +2
              Quote: abyrvalg
              Take a closer look at them - don't you find ..?

              No, it is not him! Aliens should have a level of technology development much higher than ours. And the one you introduced to the iPhone was happy like a child. And I still sleep with the iPad, in my opinion ...
              1. Leisure
                Leisure 19 July 2013 14: 16 New
                0
                Well, well, I received artifacts and therefore I’m very, very happy about the matter.
        2. strange and pretty meaningless
          strange and pretty meaningless 18 July 2013 14: 33 New
          +1
          Quote: fzr1000
          So what?
          I have a Celestron Advanced C8 refractor - NGT in the country.

          Ex ... take envy. I want so long hi
          1. strange and pretty meaningless
            strange and pretty meaningless 18 July 2013 14: 47 New
            +1
            aviamed-at the 90th Shh ... And then they will write us in conspiracy theorists.
            1. strange and pretty meaningless
              strange and pretty meaningless 18 July 2013 15: 08 New
              +7
              ... there is hope that he will be recalled soon - you look like he looks.
              1. aviamed90
                aviamed90 18 July 2013 15: 22 New
                +1
                abyrwalg

                To the Ministry of Justice or the Supreme Court of the Russian Federation?

                To the highest court, so to speak! Promotion!
                1. strange and pretty meaningless
                  strange and pretty meaningless 18 July 2013 15: 29 New
                  0
                  Lawyer a place in court. Although the topic of the article ... all the same, would translate it into higher orbits. At least low Earth. FOR LIFTING OF SPIRIT.
                  1. aviamed90
                    aviamed90 18 July 2013 15: 31 New
                    0
                    abyrwalg

                    Of course! His place in court! In all senses!
                    1. ICT
                      ICT 18 July 2013 21: 21 New
                      +1
                      for them now only such a court can reach
                2. Thunderbolt
                  Thunderbolt 18 July 2013 15: 39 New
                  +1
                  You guys don’t understand anything, D.A. Medvedev --- Robin Hood of Russian politics. He took a lot from the rich, but he didn’t hurry to share something with the poor Z. Although in this photo he looks like Ivan the Fool, who the swamp got there and the amphibian princess frog either killed or wounded bully
              2. fzr1000
                fzr1000 18 July 2013 15: 58 New
                0
                Looks like a fly ...
          2. fzr1000
            fzr1000 18 July 2013 14: 54 New
            0
            And I bought a used one, on the forum either an astrophoto, or else the same type, in 2010 it was. There is a program for the computer, just select the sky sector or object, it is guided by GPS and then you adjust it manually by selecting eyepieces. Andromeda and the Pleiades, Saturn and Jupiter with 4 satellites are impressive.
            1. strange and pretty meaningless
              strange and pretty meaningless 18 July 2013 15: 05 New
              +1
              Do not poison the soul. There I still have to do "OBSERVATORY" wassat yes shower, and the house will soon fall apart. Not yet ready farm for a meeting of aliens laughing
      2. Alexander borey
        Alexander borey 18 July 2013 13: 25 New
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        And then radio amateurs and telescopes? Some objects are visible with the naked eye and anyone who has ever seen them can be sure of their presence. UFO also fixes the equipment, there is a lot of photo and video material on this topic, but it is presented as "yellow" and attention to such cases is not emphasized or simply silent. By the way, if you mentioned "radio amateurs or owners of mini-telescopes," you can google it and you will find a lot of interesting things. We don’t even really know our planet and the ocean depths, not to mention the Cosmos. Some say that we know Cosmos even better. Who wants to find the truth, he will find it or will live in ignorance and "eat" with what the powers that be "feed" mankind ...

        1. Santa Fe
          18 July 2013 13: 47 New
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          Quote: Alexander Borey
          here ham radio and telescopes? Some objects are visible with the naked eye and anyone who has ever seen them can be sure of their presence.

          Then name the declination and the hour angle of similar objects in the sky, I will request through Kadarka
          Quote: Alexander Borey
          UFO also fixes the equipment, there is a lot of photo and video material on this topic, but it is presented as "yellow" and attention to such cases is not emphasized or simply silent

          And here is a UFO? - First of all, interesting unusual objects in the starry sky or unusual radio signals ... but they have not yet been discovered!
          1. Alexander borey
            Alexander borey 18 July 2013 14: 05 New
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            And who said that it was not found? Again, these are dogmas that have been instilled into us since childhood. That we are “lords of nature”, “people descended from monkeys”, “Earth is flat” and other nonsense. But people believed in it !!! Don't you find this funny? If they don’t talk about a fact, it doesn’t mean that it doesn’t exist. I agree with fzr1000: “there (in Space) there are so many different things that, if you pay attention to everything, the roof will go.” It is necessary to look at things more broadly. Unusual objects are DARKNESS THANKS. I can’t name the declination and angle, they move along different trajectories, this is not a tram on rails and not a trolleybus. It’s hard to break the established worldview, I agree, but it is also impossible to deny the obvious.


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            2. Santa Fe
              18 July 2013 14: 41 New
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              As for the video, ufologists compromise themselves. What is the official NASA video? Where is the link to the source? So far, this is just the site youryoga.org

              as for points and displacements - all this can be explained by elementary reasons. And ottozho alien bastards are so stupid - to hide from us the existence of any sphere of Dyson in the depths of the Universe, but to get drunk on ordinary amateur video ??
              Quote: Alexander Borey
              It is difficult to break the established worldview, I agree, but it is impossible to deny the obvious.

              What are you going to break the worldview, if you do not have a single intelligible fact
              Quote: Alexander Borey
              I can’t name the deviation and angle, they are moving along different trajectories, this is not a tram on rails and not a trolley

              So they are not.
              We are still talking about deep space objects whose visible movement is just a few angular seconds (the fastest of the objects outside the SS - the Barnard’s curtain moves around the horizon at a speed of only 10,358 ″ per year) - half a degree in 150 years)
              1. Alexander borey
                Alexander borey 18 July 2013 14: 55 New
                +2
                The fact of the matter is that I do not mean "deep space objects", this is a separate issue. Nobody will provide facts to you naturally. You can watch the UFO video of the chronicle of the secret chases. "At least the first 5-10 minutes. The highest officer ranks of the Ministry of Defense of the USSR and Russia, astronauts, pilots personally talk about their meetings with UFOs, studying this problem at the state level and the strictest secrecy.
                1. Santa Fe
                  18 July 2013 15: 04 New
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                  Quote: Alexander Borey
                  You can watch the UFO video of the chronicle of the secret chases. "At least the first 5-10 minutes. The highest officer ranks of the Ministry of Defense of the USSR and Russia, astronauts, pilots personally talk about their meetings with UFOs, studying this problem at the state level and the strictest secrecy.

                  In fact, UFOs are a separate issue - strange objects in the atmosphere and near near-Earth space. Perhaps this is not related to interstellar travel at all.
                  1. Alexander borey
                    Alexander borey 18 July 2013 15: 23 New
                    0
                    The easiest way is to take a position of a skeptic by denying anything and everything that does not fit into the usual and especially personal framework of perception. There is a lot of information on this subject, a lot of "linden" of course, but there is a problem, there is no smoke without fire. And as for interstellar travel, then everything in the Universe is interconnected. Absolutely everything. The casket just opens. Only now you need to take a step and open it.
              2. fzr1000
                fzr1000 18 July 2013 15: 06 New
                +1
                Listen, over the past years, five astronomers have found, in my opinion, about 5 candidates who are similar to the Earth by the fact that they have liquid water, and not just the atmosphere, solid surface and ice. And where there is water, there life is possible, similar to ours. Those. and they are located from their "suns" at "comfortable" distances. Moreover, they first look for a star that resembles our Sun in characterization, and then what revolves around it. In my opinion it is logical. So here is a star, similar to our Sun with planets, to put it mildly, a lot. The problem is one - they are all very far away. But this does not mean that they are "empty." I will not provide links, because this is fairly open information and there are many options. Everything is online. On the same NASA website. And there may also be planets on which life is possible, but in such forms that for us do not fit into the usual framework. This is also not my personal point of view.
                1. Alexander borey
                  Alexander borey 19 July 2013 22: 03 New
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                  You are absolutely correct in saying, and you don’t need to provide links - anyone who is interested will find that one.
            3. Rumata
              Rumata 18 July 2013 21: 39 New
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              How can this be compared
              Quote: Alexander Borey
              people descended from monkeys
              with this
              Quote: Alexander Borey
              The earth is flat

              The first scientific fact, at least closest to this, and the second obscurantism. As Lawrence Krauss said
              "Although I am a physicist, it’s much more likely for me that the laws of mechanics are completely wrong than the fact that evolution is wrong. Evidence is so strong that it can be called a scientific fact."
              1. Alexander borey
                Alexander borey 19 July 2013 00: 12 New
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                I do not compare, but give examples of how science fooled people with all kinds of fairy tales, and now it fools. It was very long ago known that the Earth was not flat, hundreds of years ago ancient maps of the Earth, Hyperborea, Antarctica were found of amazing accuracy, which can be get only from Cosmos or at least from airspace. Moreover, Antarctica on these maps is not yet covered with ice. They were found hundreds of years ago. Science is silent about this now. Also traces of ancient civilization, giants have been found. The age of finds is up to 50 000 000 years. cademic science and now insists that our ancestors - monkeys, climbed off the trees and began to "grow wiser". fool This is nonsense. There is still None of the material evidence of the theory of evolution. I would rephrase a passage from the article:

                1. We are NOT alone in the universe

                2. Something terrible is happening before our eyes, but we simply are not given to see and understand it, clogging our head with rubbish.
                1. Rumata
                  Rumata 19 July 2013 08: 30 New
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                  Quote: Alexander Borey
                  Traces of an ancient civilization, a giant, were also found.

                  Where are found and by whom? Can I have a name? The title of the publication on the topic ... at least something, and not this photoshop with a skull
                  Quote: Alexander Borey
                  There is still None material evidence of the theory of evolution

                  Evidence from the theory of evolution is thousands. No scientific theory has so much evidence, and it only exacerbates the obscurantism of the brain of people like you. This is how to say that there is NOT ONE evidence of Newton’s laws, and the stone does not fall down, but hangs in the air. Do not write such nonsense anymore.
                  1. Alexander borey
                    Alexander borey 19 July 2013 10: 18 New
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                    I repeat for the very tight: None of the proofs of the theory of evolution in science is available at the moment. This is easily verified. If it’s interesting, I’m going to help Google, and I’m not going to prove anything to the ignorant. If it’s really interesting for you, then find information on this topic will not be difficult. Your mind is blocked by the dogmas of the modern so-called "science", and this does not allow you to look at the outside world with different eyes. Sincerely sorry for people like you. hi
                    1. Rumata
                      Rumata 19 July 2013 20: 41 New
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                      Quote: Alexander Borey
                      None of the evidence for the theory of evolution in science at the moment.

                      Once again, there are thousands of evidence for evolution. If there is not one for you, then there is nothing to argue.
                      Quote: Alexander Borey
                      If this is really interesting for you, then finding information on this topic will not be difficult.

                      I am a biochemist, finishing my doctorate in which there are many "references" to experimental evolution. I know what I'm talking about, I repeat again - there are thousands of evidence, I can agree with those who believe that there are "holes", that the theory is incomplete, etc., but those who write that there is not a single evidence are ridiculous. This is how to prove that the world is flat, on three pillars, and calls everyone who does not agree idiots.
                      Quote: Alexander Borey
                      modern so-called "Sciences"

                      The generation of the 90s, got on the Internet. It is sad that in Russia, which has always moved science in the past, lately more and more obscurantists.
                      1. Alexander borey
                        Alexander borey 19 July 2013 21: 56 New
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                        Well, I’m saying that a scientific degree doesn’t allow you to broaden your horizons: everything depends on theorems and formulas. This is your dead end. Yes, I don’t belong to the generation of the 90s, I grew up and studied under the USSR. And Mr. Biochemical scientist, I I didn’t offend you, I didn’t write a comment to you and the first didn’t contact you, so you correspond. If you don’t know how to talk to people without insults, then I don’t have to write to anyone. it says nothing else. I also have two higher educations, but I am silent about them. What concerns If everything else is on the topic, I wrote and marked everything, I won’t repeat myself. I consider the topic exhausted and further conversation is meaningless. I hope you understood me correctly.
                      2. Rumata
                        Rumata 19 July 2013 23: 54 New
                        0
                        Quote: Alexander Borey
                        . I also have two higher educations, but I am silent about them

                        Together with that
                        Quote: Alexander Borey
                        I repeat for the very taut: None of the evidence for the theory of evolution in science at the moment.

                        I say that science has thousands of evidence, from genetic markers to fossils. And a person with two entities should at least follow up on what he writes.
                        Quote: Alexander Borey
                        it all comes down to theorems and formulas. This is your dead end.

                        Everything rests on the methodology of the scientific method of research. As I wrote above, evolution is now considered almost a scientific fact. Smart people don’t even argue with her, all the cardinals of the Catholic Church, including the Pope recognized that evolution is right, even all kinds of creationists even began to appear to object to something. And you write nonsense about some order of the Masonic lodge. All these conspiracy theories cannot be applied to science, since ANY scientist would once perpetuate his name by proving that evolution, Newtonian mechanics, Thermodynamics, etc., are not true. This was not yet succeeded by anyone, but now they have even stopped trying.
                      3. Alexander borey
                        Alexander borey 20 July 2013 01: 01 New
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                        Just don’t need about the pope. I write deliberately with a small letter because the Vatican is not an authority for me, I will say more: it’s a satanic organization and can’t pretend to the last resort. And why are you so excited? But I won’t be able to convince me anyway. Everyone should remain unconvinced. But you need to tighten up the story, but limp. I also wrote everything above. I leave you the last word.
          2. fzr1000
            fzr1000 19 July 2013 10: 35 New
            +1
            The first is generally an unscientific fact. By the way, who did the monkey come from? Darwin at the end of his life himself abandoned his theory of evolution. This is exactly a fact.
            1. Rumata
              Rumata 19 July 2013 20: 56 New
              +1
              Quote: fzr1000
              Darwin at the end of his life himself abandoned his theory of evolution. This is exactly a fact.

              The fact that this has not been proven 1000 times already, in none of Darwin's work, especially in recent years, is there anything like this.
              Quote: fzr1000
              By the way, and from whom did the monkey

              All primates went from the so-called proto-primates. For example this

              Then came the early semi-primates, Prosimians, outwardly similar to a mixture of lemurs and squirrels. Then the early primates and eypas began to develop ... That is, in short.
            2. Alexander borey
              Alexander borey 19 July 2013 22: 22 New
              -3
              Darwin executed the "order" of Masonic lodges, as a result of which a mystification of evolution arose.
  10. d_trader
    d_trader 18 July 2013 13: 39 New
    +3
    Well yes. Dialogue: -I want to see the microbe.
    - Take a magnifying glass and look.
    -... Mmm ... I don’t see anything.
    - So they do not exist, throw this thought out of your head and calm down.
    1. Santa Fe
      18 July 2013 14: 04 New
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      Quote: d_trader
      Well yes. Dialogue: -I want to see the microbe.
      - Take a magnifying glass and look.
      -... Mmm ... I don’t see anything.
      - So they do not exist, throw this thought out of your head and calm down.

      Arecibo radio telescope or Kepler space observatory - not a magnifying glass

      If such objects existed, we would be guaranteed to find them. Therein lies the paradox of Great silence.
      1. d_trader
        d_trader 22 July 2013 12: 29 New
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        Quote: SWEET_SIXTEEN
        Arecibo radio telescope or Kepler space observatory - not a magnifying glass

        It seems so to us. The universe, you know, has a different opinion.
        From a well-known appeal: “you think that the answer to the question lies on the same plane with the yes and no solutions, but you don’t even consider the answer options in the cube space“ Something like that from memory.
  • Tuzik
    Tuzik 18 July 2013 10: 27 New
    +2
    a person’s life is too short to intensify the development process, so when we achieve a life expectancy of at least 150 years (the body is designed for this), then scientists working on one problem for 50-70 years will achieve great success. But this double-edged sword, the planet’s overpopulation will happen very quickly, now there are already not enough natural resources, and even food, and there’s nothing to replace oil with, pollution of water and the atmosphere is even increasing, so a man-made disaster can come faster than we will meet aliens.
    1. max702
      max702 1 August 2013 23: 59 New
      0
      As for the man-made disaster, the probability is very high that Chernobyl is very large. the Gulf of Mexico. focus is the first swallows, but the fact that over the past 50-60 years not a single fundamental discovery has been made is alarming .. The last were semiconductors and the reaction of the atom. here they are tormented by vague doubts as they didn’t seem dumber. and the result is zero .. even the discovery of controlled thermonuclear fusion would solve 90% of humanity’s problems, such as nutrition and energy and much more. But there is no complete impasse, and funding and support for these works at zero, someone will say the oil and gas lobby. but if they had a cold thermonuclear fusion in their hands, these same forces would have earned tens, if not thousands of times more ... someone slows down progress and this is obvious.
  • Bambino
    Bambino 18 July 2013 11: 02 New
    -2
    The Fermi paradox and that’s it! There is nothing to look for a black cat in a dark room; she is not there. At the moment, we are the only civilization in the vast expanses of space and we must come to terms with this ..
    1. fzr1000
      fzr1000 18 July 2013 11: 21 New
      +4
      Define, at least for yourself, the concept of "the vastness of the vastness of the Cosmos." And then you can "be utterly mistaken."
  • FunkschNNX
    FunkschNNX 18 July 2013 11: 16 New
    +3
    Looking at our politicians and the other elite, I am more and more convinced that the aliens are already among us.
  • Gato
    Gato 18 July 2013 11: 20 New
    +2
    The piece of the Universe investigated by mankind is so microscopic that it is simply ridiculous to draw any conclusions.
    It remains only to agree with Arthur Clark:
    There are two possibilities: either we are alone in the universe, or not. Both are equally terrible.

    By the way, this very famous aphorism is rendered as an epigraph to the computer game UFO - Enemy Unknown. Actually, the name and content of the game somehow adjusts to the scenario of probable contact. soldier
    1. Hort
      Hort 18 July 2013 14: 50 New
      +3
      the name and content of the game as if adjusts to the scenario of a likely contact
      so maybe that's why they don’t want to be with us :) We looked at what we were doing with each other and decided “nah nah”
  • Stiletto
    Stiletto 18 July 2013 11: 29 New
    +5
    My plate "Tricolor" the other day, too, stopped receiving a signal from space - delays in payment ... :-)))
  • Standard Oil
    Standard Oil 18 July 2013 11: 47 New
    +5
    If aliens were on Earth, they have long fled with horror, attaching the banner “You can't live like that!” In Earth’s orbit. I believe that civilizations that have reached the level of intergalactic flights undoubtedly far outstripped humanity in both mental and moral development, and whether I in their place, then having arrived to the earth and listened to the radio or watched a TV program plus having looked around at what is happening directly on the planet, he would have immediately created a sanitary cordon around the Earth, and in no case would such a people be released into space until humanity crawled out he is from the day nursery and kindergarten and will not grow wiser if he does not destroy himself before.
    1. Gato
      Gato 18 July 2013 12: 22 New
      +1
      Misanthrope you, however ...
      1. Standard Oil
        Standard Oil 18 July 2013 13: 00 New
        +2
        Yes, even in X-COM I would play for aliens, if there was such an opportunity! lol
        1. Gato
          Gato 18 July 2013 13: 11 New
          +3
          Quote: Standard Oil
          Yes, even in X-COM I would play for aliens, if there was such an opportunity!

          There is such an opportunity!
          Do not give operas weapons and feed them chrysalides fellow
  • Iraclius
    Iraclius 18 July 2013 11: 58 New
    +4
    The set of constants on Earth is so unique that the smallest deviation of any of them by an insignificant amount would lead to the impossibility of protein life on our planet. The question is whether life on a different basis is possible. This is the first.
    And the second - it has long been known that manned interstellar flights are impossible due to the extreme hostility and alienness of the Cosmos to the living. Unattainable stellar line. http://old.computerra.ru/own/522880/
    1. Rumata
      Rumata 18 July 2013 12: 19 New
      +2
      Quote: Iraclius
      The set of constants on Earth is so unique that the smallest deviation of any of them by an insignificant amount would lead to the impossibility of protein life on our planet.

      This is a long debunked myth.
      Quote: Iraclius
      The question is whether life on a different basis is possible.

      The closest to carbon, by its organic properties, is silicone, which is also silicon. There are laboratories that do this, but so far nothing has come of it = (
    2. Gato
      Gato 18 July 2013 12: 20 New
      +6
      Quote: Iraclius
      And the second - it has long been known that manned interstellar flights are impossible due to the extreme hostility and alienness of the Cosmos to the living.

      Gee-gee. Quite a long time ago (in the 60th century) it was “known” that movement at a speed of more than XNUMX km / h will result in the death of the human body.
      Fears have not been confirmed.
    3. Santa Fe
      18 July 2013 12: 27 New
      +4
      Quote: Iraclius
      The set of constants on Earth is so unique that the smallest deviation of any of them by an insignificant amount would lead to the impossibility of protein life on our planet.

      The earth is populated from the ocean floor (impenetrable haze, cold, pressure 100t / m 100) to the upper atmosphere. Icy worms, bacteria in hot springs on the seabed (temperature below XNUMX degrees Celsius), life in the earth's crust to a depth of several kilometers, in vain honey. tools boiled in autoclaves? incredibly tenacious bacteria, spores and viruses, etc. etc.

      Camera AMS "Surveyor-3", the device landed on April 20, 1967. In 1969, the Surveyor-3 landing site was examined by Apollo 12 astronauts, they dismantled the camera and delivered it to Earth. After 2 years of being on the surface of the moon (vacuum, radiation, temperature), living bacteria survived inside the chamber

      Quote: Iraclius
      to the impossibility of protein life on our planet

      But who said that life should only be protein?
      Of the most common theories of extraterrestrial life forms: silicon, plasmoid ... However, life is probably more complex and ingenious than we can imagine
      Quote: Iraclius
      the second - it has long been known that manned interstellar flights are impossible due to the extreme hostility and alienness of the living Cosmos

      We'll see.
      At least right now there are well-developed projects of starships (speed 0,1C) - Daedalus, Longshot ... the whole thing is only in financing, there is a theoretical basis for solving those that arise on the way. problems a person is not used to.
      Quote: Iraclius
      Unattainable stellar line. http://old.computerra.ru/own/522880/

      Interesting opinion, but as they say:
      "like yes or maybe no, but nobody honestly knows"
      1. postman
        postman 19 July 2013 01: 49 New
        +2
        Quote: SWEET_SIXTEEN
        Icy worms, bacteria in the hot springs on the seabed

        1. But do the constants of our world (that minuscule that we "studied") change in your examples (At the bottom of the MP or on the Moon, or in an autoclave)?
        Change the value of the Higgs field (246 MeV), at least a little, you'll be pleasantly surprised ... if you have time of course
        2. You give an example of the adaptability of living matter to the environment, rather than the birth of life
        Quote: SWEET_SIXTEEN
        Of the most common theories of extraterrestrial life forms: silicon, plasmoid ...

        examples, facts? Well besides the "Stars are cold toys"
        And is there, from the one you have (silicon), something similar to MULTI-ATOMIC BIOMOLECULES OF PROTEINS and NK, COMPLEX THREE-DIMENSIONAL STRUCTURE?
        Or rather, on the basis of plasma can this be realized?

        Quote: SWEET_SIXTEEN
        there are well-developed projects of starships (speed 0,1C) - Daedalus,

        there are more promising superluminal ones, the theoretical base there is an order of magnitude better worked out than that of Daedalus ... that's the bad luck: no one knows how to implement all this
        Matt Visser, Michael Morris, Miguel Alcubierre
        ===================
        And regarding the article "Is there life on Mars, is there no life on Mars ..."
        1. I assure you from the orbit of Mars that the probability of detecting the ebullitive activity of Mankind on planet Earth with modern diagnostic tools is not possible
        2. what we see / diagnose (within the framework of the Universe) (, not just what we eat now, but what happened once, and we use our organs of touch
        3. "Matter is an objective reality given to us in sensation. \" / Lenin
        what actually looks like this: objective reality, perceptual
        and who said / proved that it (reality) is really like that?
        PS civilized civilizations will not use radio waves at a distance of more than 1 ae, this is stupid
      2. postman
        postman 20 July 2013 01: 03 New
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        Quote: SWEET_SIXTEEN
        Camera AMS "Surveyor-3", the device landed on April 20, 1967. In 1969, the Surveyor-3 landing site was examined by Apollo 12 astronauts, they dismantled the camera and delivered it to Earth.

        Having slept the night, I can tell Olegus that your example (about bacteria) is NOT SURE
        1.Now, if Armstrong were forgotten on the moon and after 2 years they returned to the living and healthy (even if in the chamber "Surveyor-3") - THAT YES IS AN ARGUMENT. and the bacteria are garbage, more viruses (bring not live ones as an argument)
        2. Having rummaged around, I found out that no one CONFIRMS the purity of this "experiment".
        Either bacteria were there in 1967, or they were brought there in 1969 already on earth.
    4. Beck
      Beck 18 July 2013 14: 21 New
      +3
      Quote: Iraclius
      The set of constants on Earth is so unique that the smallest deviation of any of them by an insignificant amount would lead to the impossibility of protein life on our planet. The question is whether life on a different basis is possible.


      You look at it from the standpoint of today's life. But if 3 billion years ago, some kind of constant physics or chemistry of the Earth would change, then life forms would also change.

      Quote: Iraclius
      And the second - it has long been known that manned interstellar flights are impossible due to the extreme hostility and alienness of the Cosmos to the living. Unattainable stellar line.


      This is also what you are looking at from today's perspective. Yes, in the protein coat, the human mind will not fly far. But science, neurons, the connection between them and the electrochemical processes of thought can be clothed in another shell, for example, in the energy beam of photons. Then fly wherever you want and how much you want.

      In general, life and mind, according to the definition of the Universe, cannot exist in the singular. Only two constants of the universe are not mutable. These are the lack of Straight lines and Multiplicity.
      There is not only one galaxy in the Universe, there is not only one star, there is not only one planet, there is not only one birch on the Earth, only one cockroach. All in the multitude. Hence, there cannot be only one life in the universe, on Earth, and there cannot be only one human mind. Life as the formation of stars and galaxies is also natural. And the emergence of Reason is also natural.

      Generally without Reason, the Universe is meaningless. Through Reason, and human in particular, the Universe is aware of itself. Without Reason, the Universe would not know what exists. It is like the human body and brain. The human mind and the mind on other planets is the Universal Mind. And when the human mind comes into contact with the mind of another planet, this will be the formation of a neural connection between the cells of the Universal Mind.

      Something like that.
    5. Black
      Black 18 July 2013 16: 05 New
      +2
      Quote: Iraclius
      The question is whether life on a different basis is possible.

      Well, this question has been answered. Available. An example of this is xenophiophores.
      Are protein forms of life possible? The fundamentals, better than carbon and media, are better than water, no.

      A phenomenon known as the Great Silence of the Universe,

      contrived. Life could not have arisen in the early stages of the expansion of the Metagalaxy. So, the “signals” can still be much along the way.
  • sergey158-29
    sergey158-29 18 July 2013 12: 14 New
    +5
    Our LAND is a grain of sand on the beach of the UNIVERSE and to say that we are UNIQUE is simply FUNNY!
  • Rumata
    Rumata 18 July 2013 12: 21 New
    +2
    Quote: sergey158-29
    Our LAND is a grain of sand on the beach of the UNIVERSE and to say that we are UNIQUE is simply FUNNY!

    Who has not seen, I advise you to take a couple of minutes http://hranive.ru/9707/. A flash drive that clearly shows this =))
    1. fzr1000
      fzr1000 18 July 2013 12: 49 New
      +4
      From the same opera, a view of the Earth at a distance of 100 million light-years

  • Gato
    Gato 18 July 2013 12: 36 New
    +4
    16 November 1974 was sent from Arecibo to a radio message in the direction of the constellation Hercules, containing basic information about man, the solar system and our civilization. Decoding a message consisting of 1679 digits requires a lot of mathematical tricks and uncommon logic.

    That's why screaming half-space "We are here!"
    I’m not an alarmist, but there’s a proverb “Don’t pull by the tail unless you know for sure WHO is on the other end”
  • Viator
    Viator 18 July 2013 12: 44 New
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    For some reason, everyone thinks that since there are many other civilizations (by the way, how many is the number of systems? And why should the nearest ones be developed so that it is visible from the Earth?), Then they must all explode, catastrophically modify (so that the spiral arms of the Galaxy are already twisted!) and fly, fly, fly to our planet for a meeting with us ...
    Firstly, the Earth-2 itself has not yet been found, and the exoplanets most similar to our home are the so-called “Neptunes”, water worlds, or super-Earths — planets with an average mass of 2-5 Earth masses (by definition, there can be up to 10 Earth masses), so we can imagine very, softly the conditions for the origin and development of life on them speaking foggy. By the way, we have not yet fully learned the history of the planet itself. This is me on the issue of the number and development of inhabited worlds. The nearest civilization may be a couple of hundred, or even thousands of light-years from us - not the fact that we will notice something from such a distance, especially if these are some long-term processes. Terraforming, say. Yes, we have been observing deep space for only half a century.
    Secondly: who said that we are generally able to notice the manifestations of the activity of "others"? So you imagine what the exhaust of some “Centauri cruiser” looks like and how intense is it? Do the engines have to “shine” so that you can see for a hundred parsecs? We don’t even know what exactly we are looking for, by and large. Just some strange things, but they may not necessarily be visible due to, say, the same low intensity. If I’m not mistaken, at the beginning of the 20th century there were such proposals for finding intelligent life on Mars: they say that if there is a highly developed civilization on the planet, then there should be cities, and above large transport hubs there should be smoke from steam locomotives and industry in general, then you need to look ... Will it not turn out that we are still looking for "smoke from steam locomotives" in the Galaxy?
    Well, and thirdly. "Why are they silent." The reasons, of course, may be a million, but one of the most probable, in my opinion, is very banal: why the hell do we need them, a rusty probe in their nozzles? There is, say, Oceania. there are many states, and even more many islands, each of which is a real pearl in the middle of the ocean. But how many in Europe, let’s say, will remember where Palau is and who they are? And even more hopeless will be the question of who was there. How often do planes fly over a godforsaken atoll in the middle of the Pacific Ocean, or do cruise ships pass? Yes, maybe even never since its discovery. Yes, satellites fly, but are the natives able to notice them, despite the fact that their standard of living has risen quite a bit since the last century and now they have a TV and a couple of pre-war assembly pickups, and even Coca-Cola from a neighboring island? Who knows, maybe our Earth is just a small island in the gigantic galactic archipelago .. And is it really so attractive if we assume that the neighbors are not from Earth-2 and they have their own ideas about ideal worlds ...
  • SOUTH,
    SOUTH, 18 July 2013 12: 48 New
    +1
    Everything is much simpler
    http://lah.ru/text/sklyarov/sklyarov.htm

    and movies
    http://kinozal-lai.ru/news/zapretnye_temy_istorii/1-0-1
  • Ascetic
    Ascetic 18 July 2013 12: 57 New
    +1
    In 1980, part of the Soviet Army entered "Guidelines
    observation organization of abnormal atmospheric and space
    phenomena "
    . Here linkper document A document was drawn up three years before the captain
    Nantes from the intelligence of the Navy of the USSR Vladimir Azhazhey, who was fond of "plate-
    kami "and collecting cases of UFO sightings in the Navy (now this ufologist
    known for allegedly aliens abducted hundreds of millions
    earthlings for experiments and hard work in mines on the back
    The moon).
    From the "Guidelines":
    "The following characteristic prizes
    of anomalous phenomena: shape (sphere, cylinder, rectangle, dis
    ki with one or two convex sides, discs with a dome, availability
    external parts, windows, hatches, separation into parts with subsequent
    in the summer of each part separately and other features); smell (not-
    usual); sound (characteristic sound and noise features).

    There was even a special alert on the KP line and a report form.
    Information flocked to the "skeet" department created at the General Staff, where these reports were analyzed and systematized. Especially when Andropov arrived, these things were seriously taken into account, he himself still found it.
    If earlier information
    about UFOs, according to instructions, flocked from garrisons to scientific
    research institutes of military branches, and then to the secret military
    part 67947 in Mytishchi near Moscow, then under Andropov a number of closed
    research institutes instructed to develop a secret
    The Citadel Plan. booster "Ener-
    Giya ", which was supposed to put into orbit" Buran ", according to the cargo
    lifting could raise two of these "Burana". This is because
    It was designed to launch the Citadel satellites into orbit. All
    Soviet space programs of the eighties were classified
    maneuvers on this plan!
    Officially, the Citadel plan provided for the protection of the Earth from asteroids.
    Dov and other space objects that could be a threat.
  • aviamed90
    aviamed90 18 July 2013 13: 50 New
    +2
    Quote from the author:

    "None of the midth century science fiction writers could predict the future direction of evolution."

    I agree. But then, in part, Mr. Jules Verne did this in the 2nd half of the 19th - beginning of the 20th century:

    "In his works, he predicted scientific discoveries and inventions in various fields, including scuba gear, television and space flights. And also:
    - electric chair.
    - Aircraft (“Lord of the World”)
    - Helicopter (Robur the Conqueror).
    - Flights to space, including to the moon (“From the Earth to the Moon”), interplanetary travel (“Hector Servadak”).
    - In novels From Earth to the Moon, a direct road in 97 hours and 20 minutes and Around the Moon, Jules Verne anticipated some aspects of future space exploration: Using aluminum as the main metal for building a projectile car. Despite the high cost of aluminum in the XNUMXth century, it predicted its future widespread use for the needs of the aerospace industry.
    The Stones Hill area in Florida was chosen as the start of the lunar expedition. This place is close to the location of the modern spaceport at Cape Canaveral.
    The first flight to the moon and Jules Verne, and in reality occurred in April, the crew consisted of three astronauts, and both spacecraft were splashed in the same area of ​​the Atlantic.

    - Video communications and television ("Paris in the XX century").
    - Construction of the Trans-Siberian Railway and Transmongol (“Clodius Bombarnac. Notebook of the reporter about the opening of the large Trans-Asian Railway (From Russia to Beijing)”).
    - Aircraft with a variable thrust vector ("The Extraordinary Adventures of the Barsak Expedition").
    Fundamental patency of the Northern Sea Route in one navigation (“Foundling with the Fallen Cynthia”).

    Sometimes Verne is mistakenly credited with predicting a submarine. In fact, in the time of Verne, submarines already existed. However, the described characteristics of the Nautilus surpass even the XNUMXst century submarines.

    Unfulfilled predictions:
    - The Earth at the North Pole (The Adventures of Captain Hatteras) and the Ocean at the South ("Twenty Thousand Leagues Under the Sea"): it turned out the other way around.
    - Underground Channel under the Suez Canal (“Twenty Thousand Leagues Under the Sea”).
    - Manned flight to the moon in a cannon shell. It is worth noting that it was precisely this “mistake” that prompted K.E. Tsiolkovsky to study the theory of space flights.
    - The core of the Earth is cold.
    - In the series “Robur the Conqueror”, “Lord of the World” 3 types of aircraft are heavier than air: helicopter, ornithopter and paraglider. But the most common paraglider in our time, did not get its story. Instead, they were “Albatross” and “Terrible.” (CPSU).
    1. postman
      postman 19 July 2013 04: 20 New
      0
      Quote: aviamed90
      I agree. But it was partially done by Mr. Jules Verne.

      the author simply did not read Jules, Verna. NEVER him, he writes everything.

      I will add to the refutation:
      Quote: Oleg Kaptsov
      "None of the midth century science fiction writers could predict the future direction of evolution."

      -Arthur Clark "2036. China surpasses the United States in terms of gross national product and becomes the largest economy in the world." ... ALMOST
      - “Terrafugia Transition Roadable Aircraft” for about $ 280
      - The War of the Worlds by Herbert Wells: Lasers and the Long Range Acoustic Device (LRAD)
      at the 2012 olympic games
      -Karel Chapek “Rossum universal robots”: “Roomba”, ASIMO
      Aldous Huxley Brave New World: Test-tube children and antidepressants
      -Robert Heinlein “A Stranger in a Foreign Country”: water mattresses, I don’t want bastards
      - On “Enterprise” used PADD: iPad, though without galactic Wi-Fi access.
      ======== Well, of course this is not "evolution", that time 70, elapsed from 1/2 20x - what is the period for evolution?
  • shvindin2012
    shvindin2012 18 July 2013 13: 58 New
    +3
    In fact, the notorious "WOW" signal was guessed 2-3 years ago by Russian experts. Why is it written here that this is not solved, a mystery.
    Here is a reference for you:
    http://www.proza.ru/2011/04/11/1543
    The essence of the clue is as follows. That the alien civilization that sent us this signal considers us to be creatures of a near mind with an IQ coefficient of approximately 65%, which equals dementia and oligophrenia by earthly standards.
    1. Hort
      Hort 18 July 2013 15: 00 New
      +1
      here are the rags! Conquer them urgently!))
      Although, in principle, they correctly consider it, given a couple of world wars, tolerance and other turns of history wassat
    2. Gato
      Gato 18 July 2013 15: 28 New
      +1
      Quote: shvindin2012
      That the alien civilization that sent us this signal considers us to be creatures of a near mind

      That is, we are space trolls. wassat
      Why then did they send us a signal? Moderators like minusanuli?
  • Geisenberg
    Geisenberg 18 July 2013 14: 14 New
    +1
    Many thanks to the author. For a minute he returned to childhood - he dreamed about the stars ...
  • ATATA
    ATATA 18 July 2013 16: 43 New
    +2
    And why did everyone decide that man is a rational being?
    I think the ants do not even suspect the existence of man, etc.
    But the life of ants has signs of intelligent life.
    In terms of logic, man is one of the most NOT REASONABLE creatures on earth.
    Ready to argue about that.
    1. Gato
      Gato 18 July 2013 17: 16 New
      0
      Quote: ATATA
      Ready to argue about that.

      Do not wait! laughing
  • Vlad_Mir
    Vlad_Mir 18 July 2013 17: 07 New
    0
    One thing is clear: we know almost nothing about the universe, nor about matter, but there is something to comprehend and learn!
  • Yves762
    Yves762 18 July 2013 17: 14 New
    0
    We are just one of the first, so we don’t hear anyone.
  • IRBIS
    IRBIS 18 July 2013 17: 30 New
    +1
    From the smoke - only "Parliament", but he does not insert to the level of communication with ufologists. You can’t drink at work either ... You have to not discuss this article ...
    Sorry, colleagues, I’m not in the subject today!
  • 0255
    0255 18 July 2013 17: 34 New
    -1
    in the next ravings about UFOs either from REN TV or from NTV it was said that aliens sent us an answer to this message. The authorities traditionally hide this from us.
    The article most liked the beautiful cosmic landscapes.
  • theadenter
    theadenter 18 July 2013 17: 35 New
    0
    I do not think that extraterrestrial civilizations are able to write a meaningful word in English. Only in films do all civilizations in space communicate in English. So "WOW" is something else.
    1. Hort
      Hort 18 July 2013 22: 07 New
      0
      I thought about it, but what if it turns out that they are perfectly petting in Russian (there is a pseudoscientific theory that Russian is closest to the common language) and upon arrival they will say what kind of hell are you sending us all this garbage? could not, they say, write in normal language)))
  • rugor
    rugor 18 July 2013 18: 37 New
    +1
    Until I see it, I won’t believe it. I am a practitioner, not a skeptic.
  • Alone
    Alone 18 July 2013 20: 10 New
    0
    The article is slightly delusional in my opinion. Even to the closest to us galaxies of Andromeda 2.5 ml. light years. I’m not talking about galaxies discovered recently by a distance of 9.5 billion. light years. Given the “space and time” that the author can see through the telescope. And about progress, the author shows that probable highly developed civilizations should outshine the surrounding stars, or even better, the galaxy in which they are located for their self-realization.
  • GUSAR
    GUSAR 18 July 2013 21: 49 New
    +3
    There are them, but no, God is with them, that is, with us ... But space is beautiful, you can watch for hours!
  • georg737577
    georg737577 19 July 2013 01: 22 New
    +1
    Whether UFOs exist is not a question for me; twice I had the opportunity to observe them. Note that the term "UFO" I mean is an unidentified flying object, and not a Hollywood alien ship. And we are not talking about plastic bags lifted into the air by ascending streams, "Chinese lanterns" or airplanes / helicopters / weather balloons, etc. This is about really strange looking and unusually moving objects of a clearly man-made character. And I think that many people who are in the habit of looking at the sky will support me - often you can see a lot of interesting things there. And I know for sure that the relevant services deal with the issue. I suppose that many will see in my commentary an opportunity to pironyonize about the use, mental sanity, etc. However, I allow myself to advise everyone - often look at the sky and keep the camera with you constantly.
  • Dimy4
    Dimy4 19 July 2013 07: 23 New
    0
    The cosmos is huge and indifferent to us, it doesn’t care whether we are or not us.
  • Enot-poloskun
    Enot-poloskun 19 July 2013 18: 50 New
    0
    Sadly ...


    Are we alone in the universe?

    Then you need to protect our Earth!
  • MRomanovich
    MRomanovich 20 July 2013 19: 18 New
    +1
    Quote: IRBIS
    And the one you introduced to the iPhone was happy like a child. And I still sleep with the iPad, in my opinion ...

    he depicted joy for the sight, and that no one knows at his place, perhaps his alien analog of the iPhone

    Quote: georg737577
    However, I allow myself to advise everyone - often look at the sky and keep the camera with you constantly.

    the camera really doesn’t hurt. I myself had the pleasure of observing UFOs in the late 80s, and for a rather long time, but there was no camera, however, like everyone who observed that object.
  • vBR
    vBR 21 July 2013 15: 47 New
    0
    Serious modern science - (paleo) geography - believes that the history of the origin and development of the Earth, more precisely the parameters of the original protosystem of the double planet Earth-Moon, was so unique that life is most likely to be gone nowhere else in the Universe. The presence of "organic substances" and "water" - as every amateur indicates - this is nonsense, something else is needed for the emergence of life. And water, methane and ammonia in space piled up
  • LM66
    LM66 22 July 2013 15: 15 New
    0
    Quote: georg737577
    Do UFOs exist for me is not a question; twice I had the opportunity to observe them

    I also saw and it should be noted it was unpleasant, it was clear that it was of monstrous size, despite the fact that it is very high.
    1. MRomanovich
      MRomanovich 22 July 2013 18: 14 New
      0
      the one that we observed was also of incredible size, but it flew very slowly and silently, we even at first mistook it for an elongated airship, but the dimensions were clearly many times larger than the largest airship, and everything that a person can build.
  • studentmati
    studentmati 29 July 2013 02: 04 New
    0
    "... the department for the study of the UFO phenomenon has stopped its work ..."

    "... fresh tradition, but hard to believe ..."

    He expanded, the state, moved to a new laboratory, classified as the most "mother do not worry", etc., etc. "What is Cosmos silent about ???"
  • Aleon3
    Aleon3 2 August 2013 17: 04 New
    0
    Yes, it’s interesting to get to another planet suitable for human life.