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Electronic intelligence of the Armed Forces of Ukraine

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Electronic intelligence of the Armed Forces of Ukraine



The legacy of the newly created Ukrainian state from the Soviet Army to the Armed Forces was a powerful electronic intelligence system (DER).

Despite the large-scale reduction of the Ukrainian army and constant underfunding, the leadership of the Ukrainian Armed Forces managed to maintain and improve the electronic intelligence system.

The main task in creating its own DER system was the formation of a centralized system with its integration into the general structure of the Armed Forces of independent Ukraine. Prior to this, all units of the DER were an integral part of the unified electronic intelligence system of the Soviet Army, and, accordingly, were subordinate to the GRU General Staff of the USSR Armed Forces.

To accomplish this task, a control body for the forces and facilities of the DER has been created in the Supreme Court of Ukraine, and regional radio electronic intelligence centers (RC REAR) and other units have been created on the basis of special purpose radio engineering brigades and individual units.

Today in the Armed Forces of Ukraine there is a powerful electronic intelligence system, which is an important component of the military intelligence of Ukraine.

Structure:

The DER system of VSU has a specific structure. It consists of: the main center of the DER (control body), units and units of the DER of the Ground Forces, Air Force and Naval Forces.

Also an important source of information for the Main Intelligence Directorate of the Ministry of Defense (GUR MOU) is the National Center for Control and Testing of Space Facilities of the State Space Agency of Ukraine (NC UVKZ). SC UVKZ is not a military formation and is not included in the electronic intelligence system, however, it is an important source of information obtained by special technical means, including for GUR MOA.


Control circuit of the DER



Structure of the DER of the MAT


General structure:

The main center of the DER (Kiev region)
In SV submission:
Regional Center REER "North" (Chernigov)
- Separate Center DER (Kharkiv region)
- Separate maneuverability center DER (Lugansk region)
Regional Center REER "South" (v. Krasnoselka)
- Separate Center DER (Odessa region)
- Separate Center DER (Odessa region)
- Maneuverability Center DER (Odessa region)
- Separate Center DER (Crimea Crimea)
- Separate Center for the Exploration of Radio Emission of Space Objects (Odessa Region)
Regional Center DER "West" (Brody)
- Separate Center DER (Transcarpathian region)
Separate Center DER (Vinnytsia region)
- Maneuverability center DER (Volyn region)
In the subordination of the Air Force:
19 separate regiment of radio and radio intelligence (Nikolaev)
- Separate Center RiRTR (Odessa region)
- Separate center RiRTR (Crimea Crimea)
- Separate Center RiRTR (Volyn region)
- Division RiRTR (Mykolaiv region)
Subordinate to the Navy:
Center REAR Navy (ARC Crimea)
Large reconnaissance ship "Slavutich"
Specialists for parts of the DER are trained at the Zhytomyr Institute of Radio Electronics (National Aviation University) - officers, and at the 9-th training center of electronic warfare and DER (junior Guyva) - junior specialists, operators.


GC DER



RC REER "North"



RC REER "South"



RC REER "West"



19 OPRIRTR



CRER Navy



BRZK "Slavutich"



Zhytomyr Military Institute of Radio Electronics


All the above-described parts of the DER are intended for strategic electronic intelligence, except for them - operational-tactical radio intelligence, using the available technical means, can conduct a battalion (regiment) of electronic warfare (EW) corps or species subordination, RRTR posts of warships.

SC UVKZ:

Separately, it is necessary to tell about the National Center for Control and Testing of Space Facilities (NCHEC).

NTSUIKS of the State Space Agency of Ukraine was established in 1996 on the basis of military units of the 1272-th Main Center for Control and Testing of Space Facilities of the Ministry of Defense of Ukraine.

NTSUIKS is a part of DCAU, where it is entrusted with the tasks of controlling spacecraft and monitoring space. Despite participation in civilian programs of the DCAU, the main tasks of the NCUIKS are to participate in ensuring the defense capability of Ukraine.


NTSUIKS


Although NTSUIKS is a civilian structure, the majority of its personnel are military personnel of the Armed Forces of Ukraine (and other military formations) seconded to DCAU.

Tasks of the NCUIK performed in the interests of defense:

• Remote sensing of the Earth by spacecraft, essentially conducting space reconnaissance, in the interests of the Armed Forces of Ukraine (and other military formations, and intelligence agencies). To this end, Ukraine is currently using its own Sich-2M satellite, and it is planned to increase the number of spacecraft in the future.

• Monitoring of seismic activity of the Earth. For this purpose, the National Specialized Control Center has a Main Center for Special Control, which, using 14 observation points, controls both natural and artificial sources of seismic activity. The obtained data can be used both for peaceful purposes - for predicting earthquakes, and in the military - for monitoring nuclear tests.

12 February 2013 The main center of special control probably recorded nuclear tests of the DPRK (http://mil.in.ua/news/svit/4958-dkau-zafiksuvala-iaderni-vyprobuvannia-kndr)

This information is important for analyzing and predicting threats to the national security of Ukraine.

• Monitoring of outer space - these functions include monitoring of foreign spacecraft (including military ones) to identify threats to national security and make decisions to conduct counterintelligence activities - there is opposition to “spy satellites”, and the provision of information for timely counteraction to technical means intelligence.

• Radiotechnical monitoring - the structure of NTSUIKS includes: “Southern” and “Western” centers of radio-technical observation (former stations of over-the-horizon radar, which until recently were leased by the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation). Now there is no information about their functions and activities in open sources, however, the stations are still used in the NCUIKS system.

In the short term, during 2013-2015, it is planned to eliminate the Western Center for Radio-technical Surveillance and take a set of measures to extend the technical resource of the Southern Center for Radio-technical Surveillance to continue the tasks of monitoring space in the Southern Center for Radio-technical Surveillance in the system for monitoring and analyzing space conditions.

And starting with 2017, it is planned to commission a new radar complex using digital chart forming technology. After commissioning of the new complex, the Southern Radio Observation Center is planned to be disbanded.


Underground facility with seismic monitoring equipment of the GC special control











NTSUIKS objects



"Southern" center of radio observation


RER Technique:

Ukraine has a significant scientific potential - which allows it to modernize and create new types of equipment and weapons of the DER.

Among the achievements of Ukrainian scientists should be noted the most well-known in the world (thanks to information wars with competitors of our defense industry) a modernized version of the station of electronic reconnaissance "Kolchuga-M" and "Kolchuga-KE".

The upgraded versions of the RTR Kolchuga station, although not designed for conducting electronic intelligence in full (their function is radio intelligence), but are part of the DER structure.

Ukraine has the scientific potential to create both individual samples of DER technology and automated systems based on them. Among the modern weapons include the following:

-Kolchuga radio monitoring station
- Barvinok-B radio monitoring station (and modifications)
- “Prick-RK” radio monitoring station
- Stationary radio monitoring system "Vostok"
- Mobile radio monitoring station "Scorpion-M"
- Mobile radio monitoring station "Berkut"
- Portable radio monitoring station "Filin-A"
- Portable radio monitoring station "Panorama"


Station RTR "Kolchuga"


The principle of operation of the SRTR "Kolchuga-M" is based on the passive testing of the radio signal of enemy radar facilities.

- Kolchuga-M can enter the complex from 3-4 stations, which detects and identifies land and surface objects at a distance of 600 kilometers, and air objects up to 10 kilometers in height and up to 800 kilometers in distance.
- the station uses 5 antennas m / dm / cm ranges with sensitivity 90-110 dB / W;
- has an 36-channel receiver of parallel execution with instant detection of objects without frequency search, conducting analysis with subsequent classification of the detected signals in the frequency range 130-18000 MHz;
- provides automatic detection and recognition using the power of the on-board computer and a data bank of various parameters with the results displayed on the monitor;
- special selectors allowed to exclude signals interfering with detection and determination and track up to 200 objects;
- sector scan range from 30 to 240 degrees;
- error on bearing (UCS) 0.3-5 degrees;
- measurement range of pulses by duration 0.5-31.25 μs;
- measurement range of pulses on the passage of 2-79999 μs;
- error on measuring ranges (UCS) no more than 0.1 μs;
- frequency error ± 11 MHz;
- The warranty period 24 year;
- operating temperature ± 50 degrees;
- round-the-clock combat crew 7 man, in peacetime - 3-4 man;
- used KrAZ-6322REB-01 chassis.




The radio monitoring station "Barvinok-K", "Barvinok-B"


Purpose:
Control of the radio-electronic situation in the area within the range of radio visibility, i.e. to 30-40 km.

Search, detection and direction finding of new sources of radio emission (IRI), including sources that use frequency hopping in specified areas in the ranges:
20 - 180 MHz in stationary mode,
20 - 300 MHz in mobile mode.
- Classification of radio networks and measurement of radiation parameters detected by Iran.
-Control at work known, put on the observation of radiation sources.
- Opening of radiation modes and composition of radio networks operating at fixed and “jumping” frequencies (Frequency Hopping), with the selection of individual sources on the frequency-bearing map.
- Automatic detection and control of suppression of radio frequency sources in the frequency range 30-100 MHz.
-Registration of signals at the outputs of the audio and intermediate frequency tracking receiver.
- Carrying out technical analysis of signals of Iran in real time.
- Determination of the coordinates of the location of Iran with the display on the map of the area.
-Management of parameters and modes of operation, the collection of information from the slave stations of the direction-finding network.
-Automated processing and documentation of data radio-electronic environment.
-Informational interaction with similar stations.
- Informational interaction with the control station of the suppression complex over a UHF radio link.




Prick-RK radio monitoring station


The mobile HF radio monitoring station of short-term radio emission sources “Ukol-RK” is used for automated monitoring of the operation and location of modern radio communications in the 1.5 - 30 MHz frequency band in order to obtain current information about the radio-electronic situation of the monitored area and to form a radio interference jam task.

The station “Ukol-RK” is based on two vehicles of high maneuverability of the type “KrAZ”, “KAMAZ” (or of another type at the request of the Customer when agreed with the Contractor) with a KUNG van. Inside the first car, there are two automated workstations of operators equipped with high-speed panoramic detector-direction finder and executive direction finder. Operators' jobs are equipped with a computer, receiver-detectors and equipment for digital recording and classification of signals (W-CODE).

Navigation equipment (GPS-receiver) together with radio communication equipment provide the possibility of synchronous operation of the “Prick-RK” stations in the direction-finding network, both in the slave mode and in the mode of the leading station of the direction-finding network. In addition, the Ukol-RK station provides for receiving, via the HF radio channel, synchronous direction finding commands from the Vostok complex (optional).

Antenna elements of the direction-finding antenna system are deployed around the station within a radius of 25-50 meters.

The mobile HF radio monitoring station “Prick-RK” is capable of solving the following tasks:

Control of radio-electronic conditions in the area within the range of radio visibility: up to 30-50 km and more 100 ... 150-2000 km (reception of ionospheric waves);
Search, detection and direction finding of new radio emission sources (IRI) in specified sections of the HF frequency range (1,5 – 30 MHz);
Command execution direction finding of newly detected signals, as well as on commands from the synchronous direction finding system of the Vostok complex (optional);
Radio network classification and measurement of signal parameters detected by Iran;
Control of the work of known, put on observation, radiation sources;
Determination of radiation parameters and the composition of radio networks operating at fixed (Conventional) and "jumping" frequencies (Frequency Hopping), with the selection of individual sources in the frequency-bearing panorama;
Registration of signals at the audio outputs and intermediate frequency of the tracking receiver;
Conducting technical analysis of IRI signals in real time;
Determination of the coordinates of the location of Iran with the display on the map of the area (including the SSL method, if there is data from the ionospheric sounding forecast)
Control parameters and modes of operation, collecting information from the slave stations of the direction-finding network using channels provided by the Customer;
Sending commands to the direction finding system (optional);
Automated processing and documentation of radio electronic data.




Stationary radio monitoring system "Vostok"


It is intended for automated data acquisition on new IRI in specified parts of the 0,5 - 30 MHz frequency range against the background of the existing radio load of station interference and provides:

search and detection of the IRI in given parts of the frequency range (0,5 - 30 MHz) against the background of their actual load;
measurement of the radio signal bearing on a three-dimensional radiation pattern with a panoramic review of frequencies, as well as during the service of the flow of requests for detected IRI;
“Self-learning” of the detector on a real electromagnetic environment in order to optimize the detection thresholds with the display of the average level of noise in the relevant subranges; distribution of applications for signal processing posts of detected IRI;
control of the detected and monitored sources;
receiving and continuous digital recording of the original waveform from the outputs of the control and direction finding receivers (including the three-dimensional pattern of the automatic sectoral survey);
indication of amplitude-frequency, time-frequency and frequency-bearing bearing panorama of radio broadcast;
observation of the waveform of the detected IRI (amplitude spectrum, autocorrelation function of the automatic sector review) in real time;
submission of commands "ANALYSIS" to an external technical analysis system when radio emission is detected with new types of broadcasts;
digital registration in the database of information about detected signals synchronously with the Barkhan-PRSK panoramic HF-range signal recorder;
determination of radiation parameters and the composition of radio networks operating at fixed frequencies and with frequency hopping, with the selection of individual sources on the frequency-bearing panorama;
work in the direction-finding network as a master or slave station;
control parameters and modes of operation, collecting information from the slave stations of the direction-finding network;
informational interaction with stations included in the direction-finding network via LAN and FOCL;
assessment of the location of a single-point radio source (SSL method);
sending commands for direction finding to the radio data processing equipment of the receiving radio center Vostok-ORD.


Mobile radio monitoring station "Scorpion-M"


The VHF-UHF mobile radio monitoring station “Scorpion-M” is intended for detection, direction finding, auditory and visual monitoring, as well as recording of radio emission source signals in the 25 frequency range - 3000 MHz.

The VHF-UHF Scorpion-M station provides scanning of specified frequency ranges or frequency lists, spatial search and localization of the location of radio emission sources (IRI) over surface radio waves with vertical polarization.

The equipment of the Scorpion-M station is installed on the Customer’s vehicle (minibus or passenger car), in the cabin of which a high-speed panoramic VHF-UHF range finder-direction finder, frequency executive VHF-UHF direction finder and an automated workplace of the operator equipped with a PC Notebook are located and communications equipment.

The VHF-UHF antenna-feeder detection, direction finding, tracking and communication system is installed on the roof of the carrier in a radio transparent car cargo box.

Mobile VHF-UHF radio monitoring station "Scorpion-M" solves the following tasks:
Control of the radio-electronic situation in the area within the range of radio visibility, i.e. to 20-30 km in the frequency range 25-500 MHz and to 5-10 km in the frequency range 500-3000 MHz;
Search, detection and direction finding of new radio emission sources (IRI) in specified VHF-UHF (25 – 3000 MHz) sections of the frequency range (including signals from satellite Turaya, Iridium communication lines);
Scanning the specified frequency channels in the list;
Express analysis of signals and auditory monitoring of detected radiation sources;
Digital recording of signals at audio and intermediate frequency;
Automated processing and documentation of data on the radio-electronic environment;
Determination of the coordinates of the location of Iran with the display on the map of the area;
Control parameters and modes of operation, collecting information from the slave stations of the direction-finding network;
Information interaction with the stations included in the direction-finding network via GSM radio;
Interaction with the "catcher" when searching for GSM 900 / 1800 MHz handsets.


Mobile radio monitoring station "Berkut"


Mobile radio direction finding station “Berkut” is intended for detecting and direction finding signals of radio emission sources in the frequency range 1.5 – 30 MHz. The station provides scanning of a specified frequency range, spatial search and localization of the location of the radio emission source (IRI) by surface and gently dipping radio wave of vertical polarization.

MAIN FUNCTIONS

Direction finding of radio emission sources at a given frequency;
Scanning in a given frequency range or a list of frequency channels in order to detect Iran;
Indication of the amplitude spectrum of the signal being taken on the computer screen;
Registration of bearing information and voice signals to the hard disk of the computer;
Displays the location of the source and direction-finding station on the background of a digital terrain map;
Information exchange via a communication channel with an external monitoring system or similar direction-finding stations;
Archiving and automated processing of measurement results;
Automatic performance check, equipment diagnostics and control of battery discharge and their automatic recharging while driving.




Portable radio monitoring station "Filin-A"


The radio finder "Filin-A" is designed for passive detection, reception and determination of the direction of a radiation source of radio signals with vertical polarization of the frequency range from 25 MHz to 3000 MHz on a predetermined channel or when scanning the radio channel through channels. The radio finder "Filin-A" is a wearable compact radio direction finder with an automatic bearing reading and a set of antennas.

During the operation of the product the following functions are ensured:

in manual mode - direction finding of radio emission signals by turning the operator's body and determining the direction to the source of the received signal by changing the tone with an instrumental error of no more than 20 degrees (CEW);
in automatic mode - automatic circular direction finding of radio emission signals with an instrumental error of no more than 25 degrees (RMS);
listening to the received signal in the process of direction finding;
Radio Control Unit IC-R20M provides reception of signals both in stand-alone and automatic modes of operation.


Portable radio monitoring station "Panorama"


Panoramic signal detector "Panorama" is designed for the operational control of the operation of radio electronic means in the frequency range 20-3000 MHz.

MAIN FUNCTIONS

scanning sections of the 20 – 3000 MHz frequency band with automatic detection and selection of signals according to specified parameters;
display of amplitude-frequency and frequency-time panoramas of loading the radio frequency spectrum on the screen of the operator’s console;
logging of the group radio frequency spectrum loading onto a computer hard disk, visual analysis of the signal spectrum and measurement of frequency parameters;
auditory monitoring with an AM / FM detector;
real-time tuning of the hearing control radio receiver to the frequency of the detected channel (optional);
queuing the detected signals with their subsequent processing (listening, observation, registration) and the possibility of extraordinary processing of signals from the list of priority frequencies;
registration of the fact of detection of broadband signals with a frequency band up to 300 kHz;
registration of IF signals as a sequence of I / Q samples on a computer hard disk;
visual analysis of detected signals and measurement of their frequency parameters;
viewing, sorting and analyzing the accumulated data on the radio-electronic environment

Prospects for the development of electronic intelligence:

Ukraine has significant potential for the development and improvement of the electronic intelligence system of the Armed Forces of Ukraine.
There is a gradual re-equipping of parts of the DER to new equipment and automated complexes of the DER. In 2005, the RC REER “Yug” received a multifunctional automatic reconnaissance post, and in 2008 - the Kolchuga-KE-20 complex. The integrated radio direction finding system “The Ring” has been put into operation and is functioning.

The positive aspects of the development prospects of the DER should include:
-The presence of a powerful scientific base (research institutes, institutes, research and production associations)
- Preservation of production base
-The introduction of an automated system for collecting, processing and analyzing electronic intelligence data
-The presence of a spacecraft for conducting space reconnaissance

The negative aspects of the development of the DER system are as follows:
- “Aging” scientific staff
-Lack of investment in production and scientific activities
- Low level of financing re-equipment and low rates of re-equipment
-The absence of the aviation component of electronic intelligence (aircraft DER)

In the near future, despite the adoption of a new program for reforming the Armed Forces of Ukraine, the DER system will undergo structural changes - a transition will take place from the species structure of the DER to interspecific (that is, interspecific organs will manage the parts of the DER)

Sources:
http://mil.in.ua/news/ukraina/5082-radioelektronna-rozvidka-zbroinykh-syl-ukrainy
http://ntcrts.com/mobilnye-sistemy
http://www.spacecenter.gov.ua/index.php?len=ua&key=stanciiDZZ
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  1. Captain Vrungel
    Captain Vrungel 18 July 2013 07: 18
    +1
    I understand that all the material is submitted as an advertisement. Not all sold yet. See what's left. And on the "chain mail" numbers are temporary, transit ones.
    Who will answer me. In what normal state will such material be given, well, about a very non-public service.
    1. tronin.maxim
      tronin.maxim 18 July 2013 08: 32
      +4
      Quote: Captain Vrungel
      Who will answer me. In what normal state will such material be given, well, about a very non-public service.

      Apparently this is no longer a secret! what
      1. roma2
        roma2 18 July 2013 09: 26
        +4
        And why in this article do you see the secret ???
        Tasks ? - so they are one for all the intelligence services in the world.
        Equipment ? - so there is a general overview.
    2. roma2
      roma2 18 July 2013 14: 31
      +1
      Quote: Captain Vrungel
      In what normal state will such material be given, well, about a very non-public service.


      In your
      http://russianarms.mybb.ru/viewforum.php?id=58
    3. self-propelled
      self-propelled 18 July 2013 23: 41
      +1
      Quote: Captain Vrungel
      I understand that all the material is served as an advertisement. Not all sold yet. See what's left

      this is your personal opinion. and I will not oppose anything to it (opinion) - I am used to honor ANY opinion of the interlocutor (if it is not devoid of meaning). be that as it may, but the electronic intelligence service in Ukraine was and remains one of the most efficient (professionally trained) in the Armed Forces of Ukraine. I know not by hearsay - in the mid-90s he served in one of the above divisions. and although he was a "cardan" (that is, a driver), I remember very well that some of them were buzzing (and not from drunkenness and idleness, but from work and combat duty)

      by the way, during my service this unit was called "... a separate radio-technical intelligence brigade"
  2. Hleb
    Hleb 18 July 2013 08: 40
    +3
    Ukrainians did not refuse mice on chevrons.


    1. Protoucr
      Protoucr 18 July 2013 12: 20
      0
      I assure you that with us - at least no worse than yours. That is what the CIS and others take not from you, but from us.
      1. smiths xnumx
        smiths xnumx 18 July 2013 12: 47
        -5
        Nobody argues that it is not worse, because the school is one-Soviet. At the same time, please provide evidence which of the CIS countries preferred the Ukrainian RER funds to the Russian ones. At the same time, please let us know what real achievements, like the landing of the American RQ-170 Sentinel UAV in Iran, by the Russian 1L222 "Avtobaza", have the Ukrainian RTR facilities. And for unsubstantiated statements about the superiority of Ukrainian weapons, there is the Cotobred blog, which has Ukrainian 6th generation fighters and the Polish-Ukrainian corps of NATO rapid reaction forces on the An-70 flying. While with disrespect!
        1. Protoucr
          Protoucr 18 July 2013 12: 57
          -5
          This is not the Soviet legacy, but the Ukrainian new present. Contrary to the imposed myth that everything was done in Moscow and a ready-made CD came to the factories - it is not true. It is safe to say - that to a greater extent the scoop was "fed", "armed", etc. - Ukraine. We have kept and develop our potential.
          1. smiths xnumx
            smiths xnumx 18 July 2013 13: 21
            -3
            ALL CLEAR. Sorry Pan Kotobood, did not recognize you with this makeup. That is, there is no evidence and will not be, only the next unfounded allegations. How are things going with the creation of the Polish-Ukrainian Corps of Rapid Response Forces on the An-70?
            Quote: Protoucr
            Contrary to the imposed myth that everything was done in Moscow and ready-made CD came to the plants - not true.

            By the way, who is imposing this myth on you? In the Soviet Union, production cooperation was known (for example, helicopters were manufactured in Kazan, and engines for them in Zaporozhye). At the same time, enlighten us how Ukraine has preserved and develops its potential. How many new types of weapons (aircraft, helicopters, tanks, infantry fighting vehicles, armored personnel carriers) are adopted by the Armed Forces of Ukraine? With disrespect!
            1. Protoucr
              Protoucr 18 July 2013 13: 41
              -4
              In Ukraine, there is everything you do not. Envy in an inferiority complex is bad.
              But it will be even better, since on the way something that was not even in Ukraine - RCC, SAM ...

              - You see, as it turned out in the context of the myths of the trolls from Russia about the "irreplaceability of the Russian Federation" for Ukraine - everything turned out to be not true. Myths are always bursting into bubbles.
              1. smiths xnumx
                smiths xnumx 18 July 2013 14: 33
                +1
                So far, the only air defense missile system presented to the world by Ukraine and then in cooperation with Belarus, which has manufactured the combat vehicle, is called the T38 Stiletto, and that is the modernization of the ancient OSA-AKM. We have already heard a lot of loud words about OTRK "Sapsan", how is he doing by the way? Well, at the same time tell us about the rearmament of all this "wonderful" military equipment of the Armed Forces of Ukraine. How many tanks "Oplot", BTR-4, BTR-3 protect her peace? With disrespect!
                1. greka
                  greka 18 July 2013 22: 55
                  +2
                  Sincerely, hello, but give Ukraine oil and gas reserves, and with this money we will sell the army, as in Russia. You do not compare XP with a finger, our countries have different budgets and opportunities for money, and the purchase of new equipment. Therefore, your gloating over: how much Ukraine bought tanks, etc. tactless and not smart !! In general, I am surprised that with such a budget in Ukraine and theft something else is being developed and modernized.
                  1. smiths xnumx
                    smiths xnumx 19 July 2013 00: 02
                    +3
                    If grandmother had something, then she would be a grandfather. Ukraine, with its developed industry and agriculture, should not complain about the lack of minerals and money in the budget. In 1991, almost all the republics of the former USSR were in the same position. And if you remembered about different budgets, then look at the same Kazakhstan, whose budget is comparable to Ukrainian, constantly updating its weapons and trying to establish its production. And if Ukraine, thanks to its rulers, cannot do this, then this is Ukraine’s problems and it’s not necessary to shift it from one’s head to another, referring to other people's minerals. No one is gloating over the lack of procurement of new weapons by Ukraine, just yes there was a certain Protoukr here, who was just talking about the completed production cycle of the military-industrial complex of Ukraine and that it produced all the weapons in the USSR and now produces it on its own. Yours faithfully! hi
            2. roma2
              roma2 18 July 2013 14: 28
              -5
              Forget about the Soviet Union, this article gives melons about Ukrainian developments and not Soviet
              1. beard999
                beard999 18 July 2013 18: 46
                +5
                Quote: roma2
                this article gives melons about Ukrainian developments and not Soviet

                Not certainly in that way. Two examples.
                1. SRTR “Kolchuga” was developed to replace the SDR-2A stations in the Kursk Research Institute (known as PO Box V-8455), back in 1985. By the decision of the military-industrial complex, in 1987 the documentation for it was transferred to the Donetsk "Topaz" for the organization of mass production. In the late 90's. at "Topaz" began to create their own, intra-Ukrainian cooperation in the production of stations. This sample began to be designated as "Chain-M".
                2. “Ukol-RK” is nothing more than AK REP R-330U “Ukol”, developed back in the early 80s, by the Tambov TNIIR “Ether” and serially produced at the Tambov factory “Revtrud”. The Ukrainians rearranged the R-330U systems remaining on the territory of Ukraine from the Urals chassis to KRAZ, and therefore added the letter “K” (R-330UK) to the designation. But actually, the Ukrainians have nothing to do with the development of the complex itself.
                As for the other products listed in the article, as far as I know, no more or less mass production of these samples was carried out. At least, on the developer's website (STC RTS AN PRE LLC), not a word has been said about this. And in general, not the fact that these products are optimized for the requirements of the Ministry of Defense. In any case, according to the catalog presented, most products cannot be said for sure http://ntcrts.com/attachments/Catalog_2013.pdf.
        2. roial
          18 July 2013 13: 43
          +3
          Dear "Avtobaza" carrying out a PASSIVE search for emitting targets and DOES NOT HAVE ANY OPPORTUNITY to intercept the UAV, and even more so it cannot suppress the control channel, this is just a big RECEIVER.
          Learn the mate part, and do not read the yellow press.
          1. Protoucr
            Protoucr 18 July 2013 14: 01
            0
            Carpool is a myth about UAVs, like many other myths.
        3. roma2
          roma2 18 July 2013 14: 26
          -1
          And how many units of 1L222 "Avtobaza" are in service with the Russian army? And then everywhere the data is that she probably in service.
  3. roma2
    roma2 18 July 2013 09: 19
    -2
    Gleb pictures are cool. After Russia profuka base in Lourdes, this is probably the main means of RER of the Russian army.
  4. Bongo
    Bongo 18 July 2013 10: 23
    +3
    It is not clear how civilian radio telescopes in the Crimea have anything to do with radio intelligence equipment.
    Kolchuga complexes were delivered to Georgia and were used by local fighters in the 2008 conflict.
    1. Protoucr
      Protoucr 18 July 2013 12: 23
      -2
      And other equipment was supplied to Georgia, while she perfectly showed there.
      - Yours were "pleasantly surprised" that something carried a proud inscription - Made in Ukraine.
      1. Bongo
        Bongo 18 July 2013 12: 28
        +5
        It did not help the Georgians.
        Tell me more that it was originally developed in Ukraine, if not the legacy of the USSR.
        1. Protoucr
          Protoucr 18 July 2013 12: 44
          -1
          It is proud that they attacked such a small country like Georgia - it should be ashamed and not serious, as it were.


          ***
          “That is not a heritage, but the work of thousands of Ukrainians.” Something like that somewhere is not something.
      2. smiths xnumx
        smiths xnumx 18 July 2013 13: 51
        +2
        Pan Kotobood, more precisely Protoukr, you can see you have the same 36D6-M radar destroyed by the Su-34 near the village of Shavshvebi near Gori. That's the way she is in the photo.
        Quote: Protoucr
        Yours were "pleasantly surprised" that it carried a proud inscription - Made in Ukraine.

        At the same time, by the way, enlighten, what other weapon with the inscription "Made in Ukraine" is, besides the Soviet air defense missile systems "Buk M1", unfortunately with Ukrainian crews, the "888" was used during the conflict and caused many problems for our army. With disrespect!
        1. smiths xnumx
          smiths xnumx 18 July 2013 14: 02
          +1
          Excuse me here is a photo http://istorya.pro/voyna-v-yuzhnoy-osetii-2008-g.-poteri-storon-v-tehnike.-foto-
          t.html
        2. Protoucr
          Protoucr 18 July 2013 14: 05
          0
          Only after that there was a big howl in the Russian army about the backwardness of the army ...

          I repeat, I am proud of the implementation of such a superpower as Georgia - it’s a shame and, in essence, humiliation of ourselves.
          1. smiths xnumx
            smiths xnumx 18 July 2013 14: 22
            +2
            Yes, there was talk about the outdated weapons of the Russian army, with which I personally agree. However, this did not help the Georgians in any way. So after all, Pan Protoukr (Kotobood) answer what kind of weapons, produced in Ukraine, caused the problems of our army? Former Soviet Mi-24, T-72, BMP-2, BTR-80, or upgraded BMP-1 with the Shkval module or RCA pr. 206 former Konotop - Tbilisi? Of the entire list of weapons supplied by Ukraine to Georgia, "Kolchuga", "Kombat" tank missiles and KrAZ-6510 trucks can be called "purely" Ukrainian. so that it is sparse. By the way, one of the Russian BMP-1U is sent to Russia http://forum.milua.org/viewtopic.php?p=45040
            1. Slobozhanin
              Slobozhanin 18 July 2013 14: 45
              0
              It’s not technology that is fighting, but people ... it’s still necessary to use it effectively ... no offense to the Georgians, in my opinion, except for the president and individual generals, the rest of the army didn’t really want to fight ...
            2. Alexander D.
              Alexander D. 18 July 2013 21: 24
              0
              Quote: smiths xnumx
              By the way, one of the Russian BMP-1Us is heading to Russia http://forum.milua.org/viewtopic.php?p=45040

              If the BMP-1U had not entered Russia in 2008, it is unlikely in 2010. Arzamas would start producing the BTR-82 (A). The Shkval combat module served as a prototype for the BTR-82 (A). You don't have to thank Yushchenko. bully
              1. smiths xnumx
                smiths xnumx 18 July 2013 21: 43
                +1
                True! Then I will tell you a little secret, a modification of the BTR-80 with the 30th cannon-BTR-80A was developed back in 1994 (factory designation GAZ-59034 "Rampage"), and by August 2008 it was already in service with the Russian army. fought in Chechnya and was exported (for example, 32 units to the DPRK and about 200 units to Hungary). Learn materiel.
    2. roma2
      roma2 18 July 2013 15: 17
      0
      Direct radio telescope is a big receiver
  5. biglow
    biglow 18 July 2013 12: 25
    -3
    all this is some kind of window dressing. and krazy at temporary registration
    1. Protoucr
      Protoucr 18 July 2013 12: 31
      -3
      I assure you that the level of the Ukrainian Army is at least no worse than the Russian one. Which of course sounds in the context of the rhetoric of many trolls from the Russian Federation.
      1. biglow
        biglow 18 July 2013 14: 49
        +2
        Quote: Protoucr
        I assure you that the level of the Ukrainian Army is at least no worse than the Russian one. Which of course sounds in the context of the rhetoric of many trolls from the Russian Federation.

        it’s not funny for you to write this .. laughing
        compare at least the salaries in the Russian and Ukrainian armies. You will be in Sevastopol take an interest ....
        1. roma2
          roma2 18 July 2013 15: 28
          0
          Dear, do not compare salaries, but prices. I have 500 bucks and I have enough to rent a 2-room apartment and live normally for a month, in the summer I can afford to go to Crimea for 2 weeks.

          In Crimea, ours get a little more area in the pieces of bucks, well, there, respectively, there are more prices - not enough.
          Well, how much do your warriors get in Sevastopol then ??
          1. biglow
            biglow 18 July 2013 16: 08
            +3
            Quote: roma2
            Dear, do not compare salaries, but prices. I have 500 bucks and I have enough to rent a 2-room apartment and live normally for a month, in the summer I can afford to go to Crimea for 2 weeks.

            In Crimea, ours get a little more area in the pieces of bucks, well, there, respectively, there are more prices - not enough.
            Well, how much do your warriors get in Sevastopol then ??

            not warriors but military ... Salary of 60 thousand rubles and higher
            1. roial
              18 July 2013 16: 18
              0
              is it either by law or at hand ??
              According to the law, I should have about a piece of bucks (if all the premiums will be paid 100% and there are no taxes to deduct)
              1. biglow
                biglow 18 July 2013 19: 05
                0
                Quote: roial
                is it either by law or at hand ??
                According to the law, I should have about a piece of bucks (if all the premiums will be paid 100% and there are no taxes to deduct)

                in your arms ...
          2. Big giraffe
            Big giraffe 13 August 2013 16: 22
            0
            Well, the director of the sports palace in Yevpatoriya (my relative) gets $ 100. A cap3 (husband's friend) in Sevast is 80 thousand rubles.
        2. Slobozhanin
          Slobozhanin 18 July 2013 15: 40
          0
          And what does Sevastopol have to do with it? Yours get there, like traveling expenses, being in a foreign country on a rented base ... I think they get even more at a base in Syria. + our prices are lower, the Kursk and Belgorod residents will not come out from the bazaars of Kharkov.
          Although we need to pay even more so that there is a competitive salary with the merchant fleet.
  6. Protoucr
    Protoucr 18 July 2013 12: 59
    -1
    Here you have some to read:


    http://www.ste.com.ua/index.php?hl=en&idd=catalog&catalog=5d4562c86137a912d869e3
    55adc06e5b


    http://www.ste.com.ua/index.php?hl=en&idd=catalog&catalog=c9048b713a2814f4706ee9
    a8218d8178
  7. washi
    washi 18 July 2013 13: 45
    0
    They poked everything, including emblems. Judging by the location of the RC, the main opponents are Russia, Belarus and Moldova (Romania).
    1. Protoucr
      Protoucr 18 July 2013 14: 07
      -2
      What is our policy - such are our potential enemies.
    2. Aeneas
      Aeneas 18 July 2013 23: 29
      0
      do not forget about Gagauzia :-)
  8. roma2
    roma2 18 July 2013 14: 22
    -2
    Quote: Kuznetsov 1977
    How many new types of weapons (aircraft, helicopters, tanks, infantry fighting vehicles, armored personnel carriers) are adopted by the Armed Forces of Ukraine


    Can you provide information on the adoption of new models by the Russian army ?? 7
    1. smiths xnumx
      smiths xnumx 18 July 2013 14: 56
      +4
      Of course, offhand just according to Wikipedia
      Air Force: 30 Su-34 fighter-bombers, 15 Su-35, 12 Su-30, 32 Yak-130, 72 Mi-28, 35 Ka-52, etc. (Ansat, Tu-214, Mi-35, Mi-171, Mi-26). I will not say anything about the expected deliveries and modernization of existing weapons, look for yourself.
      SAM-S-400, new SAM S-350 "Vityaz", "Pantsir C1"
      Navy-SKR project 11540, 2 SKR project 11661, 3 corvettes of project 20380, PLA project 885 (being tested), 3 SSBNs of project 956 "Borey" (1-in service, 2-on tests), diesel-electric submarines of project 677 "Lada", experimental diesel-electric submarine B-90 "Sarov", 3 IAC project 21630,1 MRK project 21631 (being tested). About auxiliary ships, and those that are under construction, laid in the USSR and completed in the Russian Federation (TAKR "Peter the Great", BPK "Admiral Chabanenko", TFR "Fearless") will again keep silent.
      SV-T-90, BMP-3, BMD-4, 2S25 "Sprut-S", AFV "Tiger", ATGM "Chrysanthemum", ATGM "Cornet", then google in your hands and look for yourself.
      Moreover, I have listed the samples of weapons supplied to the Russian Army. Yes, not enough, I would like more, but not always on time, but still they do it. “The dashing nineties hurt both the Russian military-industrial complex and the Ukrainian military-industrial complex, but we still scramble out, export something, but something for ourselves. Unlike Ukraine, everything manufactured by which is exclusively exported. Yours faithfully! hi
      1. roma2
        roma2 18 July 2013 15: 52
        +2
        Dear, I asked for RUSSIAN equipment, and not Soviet and single copies do not need to be included, because I can also find no less than Ukrainian equipment in Google in single copies.

        Su-34 - Soviet development. The first flight of the prototype Su-34 (Su-27IB “fighter-bomber”) - T10V-1 took place on April 13, 1990.
        Su-35 is a deep modernization of the T-10S platform
        Su-30 deep modernization of the Su-27
        Yak-130 joint development with an Italian company
        MI-28 Soviet development. The first prototype Mi-28 helicopter made its first flight on November 10, 1982
        Ka-52 Represents the further development of the Soviet model Ka-50
        Ansat 12 cars, as of 2012 Helicopters are practically not used due to the failure of EMDS tests, purchases are canceled
        Tu-214 is a modification of the Soviet Tu-204
        Mi-35 modernization of the Soviet Mi-24 helicopter
        Mi-171 modernization of the Soviet Mi-8 helicopter
        Mi-26 Soviet helicopter. The first flight took place on December 14, 1977
        SAM S-350 "Vityaz" it has already been adopted ????
        Shell C1 has a Soviet backlog
        T-90 modernization of the Soviet T-72 tank
        BMP-3 Soviet BMP
        BMD-4 in single instances
        2S25 "Sprut-S" in single copies
        ATGM "Chrysanthemum Soviet system

        Purely Russian developments adopted for service and put into series UNITS
        1. smiths xnumx
          smiths xnumx 18 July 2013 16: 26
          +3
          Well, dear, let's see Ukrainian achievements
          "Oplot-M" was created on the basis of the T-80UD, or at least has a Soviet reserve.
          BTR-3-Soviet BTR-80 with installed Ukrainian module
          BTR-4 also has a Soviet backlog
          T-38 "Stilet" joint Ukrainian-Belarusian, modernization of the Soviet "Osa"
          Any modern Russian, Ukrainian, Belarusian weapons can be said to have a Soviet backlog. Although personally, I believe that, for example, in the production of armored personnel carriers, Ukraine has overtaken Russia, the same BTR-4, we will only wait for the "Boomerang" in 2015. I hope the "Oplot-M", the BTR-4 will enter service not only in Thailand, Iraq and Kazakhstan, but also in the Navy. Respectfully your namesake! hi
          1. roial
            18 July 2013 16: 34
            -3
            BTR-80 was not produced on the territory of Ukraine; therefore, BTR-3 was launched from scratch
            Something I did not hear that the BTR-4 has a Soviet backlog

            Although I agree with the rest, our own developments in our countries have very little pressure on the Soviet backlog.
          2. Aeneas
            Aeneas 18 July 2013 23: 27
            0
            guided weapons - the line of KB Luch, which under the Union was engaged only in aircraft missiles, and Kvitnyk to the heap (although this is a Soviet backlog). Ukrainian corvette with Ukrainian radar, control, sonar and power plant is an ambitious project embodied in iron. Localization of Bison is a great success. An-178 in a year ...
  9. Slobozhanin
    Slobozhanin 18 July 2013 14: 40
    0
    Quote: Vasya
    the combined Ring direction finding system is functioning.

    In fact, the article says - "the united radio direction finding system" Ring "is functioning," the name of the system means "eavesdropping" on everyone.
    Krazy in transit because it is from the exhibition ... or do you need to be removed from combat duty to go to the exhibition?
    To the credit of the Ministry of Defense, they not only preserved, but effectively use, both Soviet developments and "remakes" (modernized and new equipment).
  10. kaptri
    kaptri 18 July 2013 15: 19
    0
    Well, what can I say? Goodbye RER. There will be separate complexes under the fence, the rest will be cut.
    1. Slobozhanin
      Slobozhanin 18 July 2013 15: 45
      0
      What is this panic delirium? An acquaintance of mine served in the Odessa center, everything is working, new and modernized equipment comes in ... it would not hurt to add a salary, but everything is "good"
      1. Aeneas
        Aeneas 18 July 2013 23: 23
        +1
        a couple of days ago I was in the position of Mail on the Fiolent. they function in the neighborhood with vacationers. winked
  11. yanus
    yanus 18 July 2013 16: 15
    0
    And how much is the RER data now? I mean, how much do you levy data to NATO? Or ideological?
    1. roial
      18 July 2013 18: 07
      -1
      What are you dear ??? What data??? You need a little treatment.
    2. Aeneas
      Aeneas 18 July 2013 23: 21
      +1
      the data goes to the Intelligence Command Post of the Main Intelligence Directorate of the Ministry of Defense, to the Operational Commands and to the command post of the "interested" services and combat arms.
  12. xomaNN
    xomaNN 21 July 2013 19: 33
    0
    Cloth article written, as if ordered for PR of the Armed Forces of Ukraine. However, in the comments, the usual for the Ukrainian began clearly. political sites tug of war "a la myself" :)) It will be a shame if a respectable serious site gets bogged down in such petty squabbles of readers.