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What was the main mistake of Dr. Goebbels

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What was the main mistake of Dr. Goebbels

Today we will talk about such a useful thing as agitation and propaganda. Yes, in our age, posters are exhibits of museums, but the XNUMXth century has shown how useful this kind of propaganda as an art poster can be. Especially in the occupied territories.


It is on this type of propaganda that we will now focus our attention. And since the topic is quite voluminous, we will talk about counter-propaganda in another article.

So, German posters from the times of the Great Patriotic War for the peoples of the occupied territories.

I must say that there were no other options for conveying various ideas. The Germans tried to publish newspapers in the occupied territories, but here German logic collided with Russian resourcefulness. As soon as printing houses were opened, sets began to disappear, with the help of which leaflets were printed right there, on handicraft machines assembled. The radio was seized by both sides, since the radio at that time was a source of information for scouts behind enemy lines, in addition, it turned out that using a radio receiver with a signal from almost Moscow it was possible to undermine the commandant's office in Kiev. So it’s better not to risk it, and there is nothing for the peoples to listen to enemy voices.

So the poster has become very common on pillars and walls, not only in the occupied territories of the USSR, but throughout Europe. Examples will be below.

It is known that to work with the inhabitants of the occupied regions, Goebbels created a whole department, which was named "Vineta". In general, the name is so-so, it is a kind of analogue of our Kitezh-grad, only Vineta was at the mouth of the Oder and was absorbed by the Baltic Sea. They say - for the crimes of its inhabitants, who have become a model of savagery and immorality. In general, "Vineta" did not finish very well either.

But while the war was going on, "Vineta" became the main tool for processing the minds of the inhabitants of the Eastern Territories. Brochures, posters, leaflets, newspapers, gramophone records, movie clips - everything went into action.

Naturally, the head of the department was a German. Moreover, they were very enlightened and educated people. At the end of the war, for example, "Vinetu" was headed by a native of Moscow, a former teacher of the history department of Moscow State University, Herman Greife. But naturally, mostly collaborators worked in the departments.

It is probably worth mentioning some of them. Alexander Albov, White Guard emigrant, lieutenant of the Izmailovsky regiment, full of St. George's Knight. General Vasily Biskupsky, head of the personnel department of Vinety. Members of the NTS, an émigré anti-Soviet organization, willingly went to Vineta. Igor Novosiltsev, Boris Bruno, Alexey Shermazanov, Sergey Iegulov, Andrey Borovsky, Georgy Shirobokov, Yuri Izmestiev. Sergei Nabokov, brother of the famous writer, was noted for his participation in the work of Vineta.

The department received a lot of employees from the occupied territories and from former prisoners of war.

However, it should be said that there were those who did not fall for the "house in the village" and rations. The best examples in stories Anton Ivanovich Denikin and officers of his headquarters can serve: Colonel Pyotr Vladimirovich Koltyshev, Major General Vyacheslav Grigorievich Baranov, Lieutenant General Pyotr Semenovich Makhrov.

Now about Vineta's products. It is clear that the agitation was directed primarily at the inhabitants of the occupied territories, and here gentlemen emigrants and collaborators worked with all their hearts. The fact that the soul was rotten is, as they say, aspects.

All products can be clearly divided into several periods. In the initial period, it was mainly about advertising a German soldier-liberator from the "Jewish Bolshevik regime" of Stalin. And naturally, that the grateful liberated people, to whom all this was addressed, had to work tirelessly and fruitfully for the benefit of the Third Reich.








Naturally, the issue of the fact that in the "liberated territories" there were those who did not really want "liberation" were not ignored either.












Agree, a strong poster. For 1941. Such confidence that Germany would win was evident in every line. I do not exclude the fact that the authors sincerely believed in this and even hoped that they would have something to break off for their creative work.




These are two examples of explicit enumeration. neither Stalin nor Churchill were Jews. Okay, Churchill could have everything there in principle, but Stalin ... However, Goebbels himself said that a good mouthpiece and 1% of truthful information was needed for the result.












The main mistake of Dr. Goebbels is precisely here: the drawing was too different from the real one. Yes, no doubt, there were quite a few people in the occupied territories who had something to hate the communist system for. And who gladly went to cooperate with the new authorities. However, they were not in the majority. So here is the very case when propaganda played in the opposite direction.








And work again. Again, those who saw these posters saw the difference between the promised and the actual. Yes, perhaps many would not mind working. But not where they were taken by echelons on assignment orders. Hence, to put it mildly, there is a great desire not to go to Germany and work for the good of it, but to go into the forest and, if possible, undermine the rails along which the next train from Germany will go with the produced "for good".

And the further from the blissful 1941, the more the idea of ​​the posters changed. That's noticeable.








Have you read it? Oh sure. Where else could you get at least some information? However, I do not exclude at all that the picture is staged.








It should be noted that the European departments of Vineta worked with no less passion. It was necessary to ensure the power over the brains in all countries, so that even there they could calmly work for the Reich. I think this series will show well that not only the brains of Russians, Ukrainians and the peoples of the Caucasus were processed, there are posters that were hung in Bulgaria, Yugoslavia, Belgium, Holland.






























And of course, one cannot ignore the separate work on sculpting passes for captivity. In general, it worked for the first time. Plus, to be honest, the command of the Red Army itself created many opportunities in the first year of the war precisely for the soldiers to prefer captivity. It happened in our history.



You must admit that the rules of conduct for defectors were written by an intelligent person. A good instruction, perhaps it worked well, fortunately, there were more literate people in the USSR than in the previous war.



Or you can do it without gaps. All the same, a one-way road, in fact. But here, too, is a so-so moment, they would say right away, give up, whoever can, we'll figure it out. And then with passes, then without ...



But in principle, well done. The main thing is that they promise life, food, medical care and, in general, "good treatment." And the main thing is work! Working for the Reich should be a happiness for every person.





War requires many resources. And someone has to produce these resources. And therefore - everything is in Germany, there is "work and bread". But in general, it doesn't look very good. Bread is good. The question is how much work and how much bread. This is the difference between legal work and legal slavery.


Apparently, work and bread in such quantities have become not the kind of paradise life dreamed of in the occupied territories. Hence the ever-increasing resistance. And - first - persuasion with posters.




Fig from the Red Army for the partisans. Considering that the partisan movement was created and supervised by the structures of the NKVD, this is almost true. Another question is that "... everything for Victory", accordingly, everyone helped. BUT Vinet was not aware of this.




Sh.VZ. - the abbreviation "bayonet in the ground" ...




What can be said as a result? All in all, a good job. Of course, things were getting more and more colorful for Europe, but there were no such problems with the Europeans as with the Soviets. Europe quietly churned out the whole war Tanks, guns, airplanes, rifles and other necessary things. There was no need to agitate the Czechoslovakians, they plowed like the Stakhanovites. Therefore, the posters are brighter and more beautiful.

In the occupied territories, pay attention, the further - the easier. In one or two colors, because what is there, wasting paint and throwing beads. Anyway, whoever wanted to - he went to the partisans and fuck you you will lure these people to heaven with work and bread with placards.

The main mistake of Goebbels and his apparatus was the expectation that the "uneducated and dark" (that is to say, stupid) Soviet people would go for agitation like a donkey for a carrot. Alas, the frames were a little different. The former White Guards simply were not aware of all the changes that have taken place in the country during the 20 years of Soviet power. Relying on their own memories of not the most educated people, the "crystal bakers", of course, did a great job. The problem is that what was declared did not correspond to reality.

The arrival of defectors and collaborators on the information front, of course, corrected the situation. But it was already a little late. After 1942, when Germany became very much in need of workers' hands, the recruitment of the same Ostarbeiters was replaced by violent hijacking.


As a result, we got a situation where one thing was declared, but in reality something completely different turned out. And the flow of volunteers to work dried up very quickly. But the influx into the partisan detachments increased to a certain extent.

A big gap in the workaholic of the information front from among the white emigrants and traitors was that in the Soviet territories they very quickly realized that agitation, in essence, does not carry the truth. Although in relation to workers in Germany there are many documents confirming fairly decent living conditions, nevertheless, 1% of the truth, even with a very good mouthpiece, is not enough for a people who can think and understand. Therefore, the beautiful waste paper from Vineta has remained waste paper.


And in the end it is natural. But alas, hardly anyone brought flowers to the graves of the "liberators" from Germany. So there is already a fairy tale.

The too beautiful tale of liberation from the Jewish shackles of communism was drawn by Dr. Goebbels with his associates. There are too many colorful lies that those who saw everything with their own eyes did not fall for. I don’t know why everything worked so well in Europe, perhaps the fear of communism helped, but for some reason it didn’t work on the territory of the Soviet republics. Probably because in Russia from time immemorial, "A fairy tale is a lie, but there is a hint in it."

By the way, all this is relevant in our time.
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  1. Vladimir_2U
    Vladimir_2U 11 January 2022 05: 25
    +10
    Relying on their own memories of not the most educated people, the "crystal bakers", of course, did a great job. The problem is that what was declared did not correspond to reality.
    Moreover, they also completely forgot why they were brought back from Russia. And the people have not forgotten!

    Although in relation to workers in Germany there are many documents confirming fairly decent living conditions,
    Yeah, that's about the "average salary" now.
    1. Civil
      Civil 11 January 2022 09: 00
      +13
      And what was the mistake of "Doctor" Goebbels? Everything that they wanted to do with the Soviet people - everything happened exactly as he wanted.

      1. paul3390
        paul3390 11 January 2022 13: 53
        +9
        I agree. Sometimes - looking at what is happening with the country and the people, there is a strange feeling that Aloizievich - after all, won .. It’s painfully a lot being done practically according to his manuals and plans for us ..
        1. bk316
          bk316 11 January 2022 16: 31
          0
          Well, it is unlikely that I won. But the fact that anti-Semitic propaganda is ingrained in the brains is a fact. Here the anti-Bolsheviks flew off like a husk, and the anti-Semitic ones left their mark. And if you dig well right here on VO, then there are a lot of anti-Semitic statements. And I am ashamed of a part of the VO audience. Not because I love Jews, but because anti-Semitism, as it has always been presented, is a bait for mindless envious people.
          1. Snail N9
            Snail N9 11 January 2022 23: 57
            +8
            Well, Somehow I came across an article that the German Embassy posted on its website in Ukraine an invitation to Ukrainians to work in Germany, and it was spelling similar to similar "invitations" from the Fritzes during the Second World War. This was noticed by one well-known Ukrainian blogger and ironically in his blog published a photocopy of a similar invitation for the people of Kiev, which were hung by the Germans during the war and signed by the Oberstumbannführer ... commandant of Kiev. What was his surprise when he was bombarded with messages where his fellow countrymen were seriously interested in this announcement and asked how to find the German commandant's office and get an appointment with the Oberstandartenfuehrer for an interview ... yes
          2. zenion
            zenion 12 January 2022 21: 09
            +1
            bk316. The West created Nazi Germany as a hammer in order to test whether imperialism could defeat the USSR and who should be more feared, Nazism or communism. The West got in the face. In addition, when Khrushchev climbed into the captain's cabin of the ship, everything went to pieces and people here gave up a little slack. We lived poorly, we need to do everything so that our children live better, we did. But already the grandchildren of grandparents, when they began to manage, decided why they share, not everyone should live well. Tagged fell on such a line, which he took this line as a basis. A boozer from the Urals did everything completely. Then he looked for someone to protect him from the people. Found a similar one. Everyone is crying, everyone is happy. But instead of a mausoleum, he got a museum, which is also not bad. In general - let it go and so on.
            1. bk316
              bk316 13 January 2022 11: 57
              -3
              The West created Nazi Germany,

              will imperialism be able to defeat the USSR

              Nonsense. And here is imperialism, have you already forgotten the name of Hitler's party? National SOCIALIST.
              Well, when Hitler came to power, the Germans generally had before the USSR like a light bulb, they wanted revenge for the First World War.
              1. zenion
                zenion 14 January 2022 18: 50
                0
                So after all, you can hang the word School on the mess. It's not about the outside, it's about the insides. And the American thing is to give weapons to both and let them kill each other as much as possible.
                1. bk316
                  bk316 17 January 2022 13: 36
                  0
                  And the American thing is to give weapons to both and let them kill each other as much as possible.

                  Well, so I say that the USSR has nothing to do with it.
                  They sold weapons to the Turks and the Greeks, although they were both members of NATO.
  2. Far B
    Far B 11 January 2022 05: 37
    +22
    Interesting selection. It can be seen that Goebbels' department has done a gigantic job. And in the end, read, outright lost the propaganda war. Although the experience was immeasurable (it was not for nothing that Goebbels became a household name), and the staff - a carriage and a small cart (the emigre environment did not skimp on this business, and even collaborators joined). And all the same, the USSR won the war on the propaganda front. This means that the people understood that it was worth fighting for the Soviet power, because many still remembered what it was like under the tsar, and what changes the socialist system brought. Well, and then they began to gradually liberate the occupied territories, saw what the German "liberators" were doing there - and became even more convinced that "our cause is just - we will win!" And they won.
    1. bya965
      bya965 11 January 2022 06: 30
      +12
      Well, and then they began to gradually liberate the occupied territories, saw what the German "liberators" were doing there - and became even more convinced that "our cause is just - we will win!" And they won.

      Here is just about what our people saw, liberating our lands. The best propaganda is an offensive and see for yourself what "enlightened Europe" brings to people
    2. Doccor18
      Doccor18 11 January 2022 09: 13
      +8
      Quote: Dalny V
      This means that the people understood that it was worth fighting for the Soviet power ...

      Of course I understood. Even the illiterate population of the early 20th century understood that it was impossible to live like this anymore, and a revolution took place. What can we say about the generation that was born and raised under the USSR, studied in the Soviet school ...
      Hitler's main mistake was that he did not oppose one regime to another, he opposed life to death. His racial theory, extraordinary cruelty to the peoples with whom he fought, left him no chance of victory. For with the army you can fight and you can win, and you can fight with the people, but it is impossible to defeat the people.
      1. paul3390
        paul3390 11 January 2022 13: 46
        +3
        His racial theory

        He had a strange theory .. The Slavs, who are significantly closer to the Aryans than the Germans themselves, are of a type subhuman .. And let's say the Hungarians, Finns, Japanese - who are not even Indo-Europeans - are crumpled sidekicks and allies ... study at school..
        1. bk316
          bk316 11 January 2022 16: 37
          +6
          He had a strange theory ..

          Nothing strange, in the sense it is clear why this is.
          Reality does not correspond - yes.
          But why this is understandable. As they say, nothing personal.
          Hitler had potential situational allies (Anglo-Saxons, Italians, Japanese), scapegoats (Jews) and resource spaces (USSR, Africa, Asia in the future). Well, I adjusted the theory to this, well, who is interested in the right that it contradicts common sense ...
          He is not the first, he is not the last, our modern lovers of the West propagandize even more wild theories. And at 404, look how they shred history ...
        2. Sugar Honeyovich
          Sugar Honeyovich 11 January 2022 17: 03
          0
          It's not about school here. And in the political situation today.
  3. rocket757
    rocket757 11 January 2022 06: 06
    +10
    Alas, the frames were a little different. The former White Guards simply were not aware of all the changes that have taken place in the country during the 20 years of Soviet power.
    ... Question .... why ALAS ... however, even if there were TEs, this could not fundamentally change the situation!
    Our people defended their HOMELAND !!! from the invasion of a terrible enemy ... and that ENEMY could not be recognized / named differently, in what skin he would not dress up !!!
  4. yuriy55
    yuriy55 11 January 2022 06: 09
    +2
    What was the main mistake of Dr. Goebbels

    Novel! Everything is simple to the point of banality - I chose the wrong ideology. and massive stuffing of false information did not take its due. The Soviet people did not believe the tales of "Dr. Goebbels".
  5. aybolyt678
    aybolyt678 11 January 2022 06: 26
    -3
    With his anti-Jewish rhetoric, Goebbels made the whole world his enemy! Germany lost in the first place informationally.
    1. aybolyt678
      aybolyt678 11 January 2022 10: 16
      0
      to justify cons !!! read the title of the article !!!
      1. Ashes of Claes
        Ashes of Claes 11 January 2022 10: 52
        +2
        Quote: aybolyt678
        read the title of the article !!!

        The title is the author's fantasy, he sees it that way. Technically, the Reich Ministry of Education and Propaganda had no mistakes. Agitprop has always and at all times was and is on the contract with the regime, it is only a tool that Goebbels and Co. operated brilliantly. But the doctor himself, for a moment, called his teachers in terms of aggressive propaganda the British... In addition, the author mostly talks about the peripheral mainstream, so to speak, the extraversion of the propaganda of the Third Reich. Specifically - for the population of the Reichskommissariat Ukraine (which, in turn, also lies in the plane of modern trends - such is the Goebbels cycle in the nature of propaganda))).
  6. Andrey Moskvin
    Andrey Moskvin 11 January 2022 06: 34
    +4
    "A fairy tale is a lie, but there is a hint in it."?
    I didn't understand the author. What hint from Goebbels did he see?
    1. Maki Avellevich
      Maki Avellevich 11 January 2022 07: 43
      0
      Quote: Andrey Moskvin
      A fairy tale is a lie, but there is a hint in it. "?
      I didn't understand the author. What hint from Goebbels did he see?

      perhaps the author saw a hint about the danger coming from the Jews to all progressive humanity.
      1. Andrey Moskvin
        Andrey Moskvin 11 January 2022 08: 32
        -1
        Or maybe he's about the communists? Or maybe he himself did not understand.
  7. nikvic46
    nikvic46 11 January 2022 06: 42
    +4
    Much of this is still valid. Millions of refugees fled from such "delights of life." No matter how sophisticated German propaganda is, but in comparison with the current digital, Goebbels looks faded.
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  9. Third district
    Third district 11 January 2022 06: 45
    +14
    By the way, all this is relevant in our time.

    Of course it is. If you watch modern films about the war, then definitely anti-Soviet. But maybe with rare exceptions.
    1. Mikhail Sidorov
      Mikhail Sidorov 11 January 2022 06: 58
      +2
      I agree with you. I wanted to show my son some kind of cartoon about the Great Patriotic War - I can't find it. Here is the patriotic education from the Ministry of Culture.
      1. bya965
        bya965 11 January 2022 09: 12
        +9
        The first animated cartoon about the battle of tanker Kolabanov. As far as I remember, it was withdrawn with private money. Our liberal dovecote from the Ministry of Culture does not need this
        1. depressant
          depressant 11 January 2022 12: 15
          0
          The first animated cartoon about the battle of tanker Kolabanov.


          Shocked. This is my homeland. On my own behalf, I am awarding tanker Kolabanov with the title of Hero of the Soviet Union!

          Thank you colleague bya965 for giving me this opportunity.
          1. d_averk
            d_averk 12 January 2022 00: 02
            +2
            You'd better spell his surname correctly. A shame.
      2. Region-25.rus
        Region-25.rus 11 January 2022 09: 31
        -3
        I wanted to show my son some cartoon about the Great Patriotic War
        from the old - "And the dawns here are quiet" (not new), "Come and see", "The battalions are asking for fire" ..... from the so-called new - "People's Commissariat of Convoy". The plot is, of course, a little taken from "The Dawns Here Are Quiet" but filmed very well. Without "cranberries" and anti-Sovietism.
        1. Ashes of Claes
          Ashes of Claes 11 January 2022 09: 44
          +1
          Quote: Region-25.rus
          from the old - "And the dawns here are quiet" (not new), "Come and see", "The battalions are asking for fire"

          Ehm ... Actually, he's about cartoons:
          Quote: Mikhail Sidorov
          I wanted to show my son some cartoon about the Great Patriotic War
          1. Region-25.rus
            Region-25.rus 11 January 2022 10: 02
            +2
            Actually, he's about cartoons:
            damn ... apparently getting old recourse
        2. Mikhail Sidorov
          Mikhail Sidorov 11 January 2022 10: 43
          +2
          From films about the Great Patriotic War I watched with him: They fought for the Motherland, the Fate of a man. I am planning a film Destiny. But there are no cartoons, there is a patriotic cartoon Fortress, but this is about the defense of Smolensk from the Poles.
          1. Region-25.rus
            Region-25.rus 11 January 2022 10: 46
            +2
            Of course, they threw me cons, but I still recommend those films that I have listed. That's about cartoons, yes, you are right. Even from childhood I can’t remember anything what
            1. Ashes of Claes
              Ashes of Claes 11 January 2022 11: 27
              -1
              Quote: Region-25.rus
              That's about cartoons, yes, you are right. Even from childhood I can’t remember anything

              maybe because in our Soviet childhood we didn’t sink to such idiotism? However, even then they broke through the bottom - Molchanov opera "And the dawns here are quiet .." "wrote" in 1973.
              1. Region-25.rus
                Region-25.rus 11 January 2022 11: 29
                0
                opera "The Dawns Here Are Quiet .."
                oh how. Didn't even hear. Apparently "commissars in dusty helmets" were not allowed to show))))
                1. Ashes of Claes
                  Ashes of Claes 11 January 2022 11: 46
                  -2
                  Quote: Region-25.rus
                  Apparently "commissars in dusty helmets" were not allowed to show))))

                  Yeah, "they weren't allowed" .... Already they were allowed to the Mariinsky (!) They even showered with prizes of some kind. By the way, this shnyaga is still on provincial stages. Plus also musical degenerated ...
      3. vladcub
        vladcub 11 January 2022 10: 25
        +1
        Lieutenant Sidorov, I order: search on YouTube! Shyutka.
        But seriously, there are tons of great movies out there. I recently "struck" and I reviewed: "Dzhulbars"
      4. Sugar Honeyovich
        Sugar Honeyovich 11 January 2022 17: 15
        +1
        Quote: Mikhail Sidorov
        I can not find

        Modern, or what? Not surprising. Try Pioneer Violin.
      5. Kerensky
        Kerensky 12 January 2022 20: 54
        +1
        I wanted to show my son some kind of cartoon about the Great Patriotic War - I can’t find it.

        Legend of the old lighthouse.
      6. Yho
        Yho 14 January 2022 12: 47
        +1
        m \ f "First detachment". Modern, relevant.
    2. vladcub
      vladcub 11 January 2022 10: 09
      +3
      "necessarily anti-Soviet" I would say: IDIOTIC.
      I have said and say more than once: "The best films about the war were shot: participants or witnesses of the Great Patriotic War. Remember:" Liberation "," Only "old men", "Hot snow" go into battle. For me - the last true film of Soviet cinema
      1. Third district
        Third district 11 January 2022 11: 20
        +4
        I remember the film "Three days of Lieutenant Kravtsov" from the modern ones. There is even a special officer (!), Shown by a normal person. I advise you to watch a good movie.
    3. Hantengri
      Hantengri 11 January 2022 11: 16
      +3
      Quote: Third District
      By the way, all this is relevant in our time.

      Of course it is. If you watch modern films about the war, then definitely anti-Soviet. But maybe with rare exceptions.

      And not only about the war! Here is a ready-made poster for any modern cinema / TV-making, or artistic waste paper (with, again, rare exceptions) on the topic: revolution, gr. war, collectivization, industrialization, etc. :
      It is enough to replace the signature "Vinnitsa" with something about Zuleikha with eyes, or the homeland of our fear, or the demons of the revolution, and you can put it in print, or sculpt it on a headband.
      1. depressant
        depressant 11 January 2022 12: 29
        +1
        Igor, an article with deep connotations.
        1. Ashes of Claes
          Ashes of Claes 11 January 2022 13: 25
          -3
          Quote: depressant
          article with deep connotations.

          The article is flat. An amateurish view of propaganda, of which, for a minute, the author is partly. Dump samples of poster agitprop - what are the semantic depths here? The fact that the Scabeev-Nightingale-Simonyans and others, of a lesser rank and less brains, are the grandchildren of Dr. Goebbels? Well, this is obvious without allegories and lace.
        2. Trilobite Master
          Trilobite Master 11 January 2022 13: 36
          +4
          I have not suspected Roman Skomorokhov of deep implications for a long time. This man, it seems to me, is as straightforward as a bayonet - what he wanted, he said with the words that he found. smile Deep reasoning, doubts, intellectual reflection - this is hardly about him. This is neither good nor bad, it is so.
          Just yesterday I noted to our Olgovich that his ideas and slogans suspiciously remind me of the ideas and slogans of General Vlasov, to which he replied that if Hitler was a vegetarian, this does not mean that vegetarianism is bad.
          Don't you, Lyudmila Yakovlevna, think that the content of these posters has its source in the ideology of the Black Hundreds?
          And by the way, did you notice that there is not a single person engaged in intellectual work on a single poster? Russians are all peasants, at best they are workers and German soldiers and officers ... I didn’t see engineers, poets, musicians there.
          Already from these posters alone, it clearly follows that they wanted to return us to banal feudalism, and not at all in the role of boyars and princes. Maybe the problem of the failure of such propaganda lies precisely in this?
          1. depressant
            depressant 11 January 2022 13: 53
            0
            Misha ...)))
            This line didn't tell you anything:
            The former White Guards simply were not aware of all the changes that have taken place in the country during the 20 years of Soviet power.

            Nothing? This line told me a lot. In 20 years, a country can change in different ways. Don't you think?
            1. Trilobite Master
              Trilobite Master 11 January 2022 14: 52
              +2
              The "former" might not know and understand something. But you don't think these "exes" were working on propaganda alone, do you? They had at their disposal the intelligence that was provided to them, albeit in insignificant volumes, and the Soviet press, films, collaborators, just from the USSR, collaborated with them ...
              I think it’s not a lack of real information about the state of affairs in the enemy’s camp, but the fact that the propaganda pursued several goals at once - three, in any case, I see with all the evidence.
              The first is to push people away from the Soviet system, to instill that Soviet power is evil in itself, to pull the people apart into individual farms, so that everyone is interested only in their personal affairs - a land plot or a workplace at a machine tool. Every man for himself, my hut is on the edge.
              The second is to delimit peoples along ethnic lines, destroying the unity of multinational countries - to lead Ukrainians against Russians, Croats against Serbs, etc.
              For example:


              [Center]


              And so you can find in each republic.
              The third is to instill on a subconscious level that it is impossible for a Russian person to claim something more than an allotment of land or a place at the bench. A well-fed patriarchal society is its goal, and the position of a peasant or a worker is its ceiling, with which it must be fully satisfied. Others will think and create.
              So the existence of the national intelligentsia was definitely not included in the plans of the Nazis, therefore it is not on the posters either.
              1. Trilobite Master
                Trilobite Master 11 January 2022 14: 59
                +2
                As for the Belarusian poster, I am not sure of its authenticity, perhaps something modern, but there is also:

              2. Ashes of Claes
                Ashes of Claes 11 January 2022 15: 52
                +2
                Quote: Trilobite Master
                So the existence of the national intelligentsia was definitely not included in the plans of the Nazis, therefore it is not on the posters either.

                Ehm ... Are you saying that highbrow Intels were a popular image on posters "for internal use" in Fatherland? Come on - the same pink-cheeked youth in different guises - muscular workers, brutal zoldaty, smiling bauers and kids.
                1. Trilobite Master
                  Trilobite Master 11 January 2022 16: 18
                  +3
                  In general, yes, there are few people burdened with intelligence. smile
                  But images of Germans in the field or behind the machines are depressingly rare. The overwhelming majority are soldiers in one form or another.
                  Roles are assigned.
                  1. d_averk
                    d_averk 12 January 2022 00: 06
                    0
                    Any propaganda is aimed at the most ... um ... narrow-minded, uneducated. And massive.
                    There are so few "intellectuals" (already swearing) that they are not target audience.
              3. boris epstein
                boris epstein 11 January 2022 17: 44
                0
                "The" former "might not know and understand something."
                The Germans tried to recruit "the former." In the organization of Kutepov (after his death, Wrangel), there was an Internal Line-internal party counterintelligence. The Germans recruited Captain Fost's group from the Inner Line. She worked in Crimea and southern Ukraine. But it was their Great Russian (seemingly good) idea that thwarted the bakers. They were hostile to the Crimean Tatars, Bandera, forest brothers, white tape. And this enmity prevented the Nazis from guiding their Ordnung, as a result of which they covered this group.
          2. English tarantas
            English tarantas 13 January 2022 07: 05
            0
            just because Hitler was a vegetarian doesn't mean vegetarianism is bad

            The funny thing is that vegetarianism is bad in itself) It has an extremely negative and destructive effect on the body, it is possible to live, but not very fun and healthy as it could be, but for people with a peculiar way of thinking that scientific research of metabolic processes is just practical experience is not an argument.
      2. English tarantas
        English tarantas 13 January 2022 07: 01
        0

        I like this one better. I guess I'm just young and don't understand the classics)
  10. Msi
    Msi 11 January 2022 06: 51
    +5
    Thanks Roman for the article. It was very curious to read. A lot of documents - posters, interesting. good
  11. Mikhail Sidorov
    Mikhail Sidorov 11 January 2022 06: 54
    +2
    Good article. Strong leaflets, posters published. Of course they could and had an impact on Soviet citizens, especially in the initial period of the war.
  12. Xlor
    Xlor 11 January 2022 07: 24
    +5
    Quote: nikvic46
    German propaganda, but compared to current digital, Goebbels looks dull

    Nothing like this! All these current digital kiselevs and nightingales are just venal prostitutes, working without any inspiration in a template. Goebbels, on the other hand, is studied in many foreign universities as an example of ideal propaganda and as an ideal speaker of the German language. The only pity is that his innate talent was misdirected ...
    1. Ashes of Claes
      Ashes of Claes 11 January 2022 10: 23
      -3
      Quote: Xlor
      The only pity is that his innate talent was misdirected ...

      Curious, and what would be the "channel" for him? Continue to sympathize with Lenin and call yourself a "German communist"? Well, I would have thundered in the end in Dachau for re-education) Or continue literary experiments and asceticise as a small journalist in Berlin tabloids?
      Quote: Xlor
      Goebbels, on the other hand, is studied in many foreign universities.

      Well, his "Michael", it seems, was out of harm's way in our country 10 years ago, as extremist. laughing Outside our zealots, as they say. They saw, apparently, "Pilatchina", like the critic Latunsky from the Master.
  13. Korsar4
    Korsar4 11 January 2022 07: 38
    +10
    I thought a little - what is the most popular among outdoor advertising now? Probably a variety of variations with the appeal to take out a loan.
    1. ycuce234-san
      ycuce234-san 12 January 2022 19: 54
      +1
      Bread is good.


      The Germans could well (if they thought of it) put credit and microcredit into use in the occupied countries - times are difficult and hungry, and payday loans probably already existed in the black speculator and criminal markets of the occupation.
      At that time, the technology of packaging products and goods was not yet developed so strongly. It was enough for the Germans to prohibit the sale of any unpackaged goods in the territories of occupation and to regulate the information content of packaging and some kind of food cards - to interfere with useful information on them, such as prices for vodka and addresses of liqueurs, the opening hours of markets and shops, pharmacies and their trade catalogs or numbers of tobacco lotteries and propaganda and purely technical information. Then they did not have to do anything - just sell the desired packaging design to manufacturers-manufacturers of paper and cardboard factories, and trade will include all propaganda costs in the price tag.
  14. Daniil Konovalenko
    Daniil Konovalenko 11 January 2022 08: 46
    +2
    However, it should be said that there were those who did not fall for the "house in the village" and rations. The best examples in history are Anton Ivanovich Denikin and the officers of his staff: Colonel Pyotr Vladimirovich Koltyshev, Major General Vyacheslav Grigorievich Baranov, Lieutenant General Pyotr Semenovich Makhrov.
    Makhrov, wrote a letter to the Soviet ambassador, in June 1941, about his enrollment in the Red Army at least as a private. Baranov, served in the French Air Ministry, and with him was evacuated to England after the defeat of France. Koltyshev was Denikin’s secretary. Both were Anglophiles, I think it’s not worth talking about Denikin’s anti-Soviet activities after the war. Of all the above, Makhrov deserves respect.
  15. Basarev
    Basarev 11 January 2022 09: 07
    0
    The main mistake was not with Goebbels, but with the entire Nazi regime as a whole. It was enough to come up with a scientific breakthrough in racial studies, to personally endow the Russians with Aryanism. In this case, the USSR will not last even a year.
  16. Non-fighter
    Non-fighter 11 January 2022 09: 31
    +6
    The main defense against agitation is education and the ability to think critically, not to take anything for granted. Unfortunately, this is now being washed out of society :(
    1. Xlor
      Xlor 11 January 2022 11: 12
      +7
      ability to think critically

      I read somewhere that only 10-15% of the population are able to think critically, the rest think on TV ... Look at your colleagues, relatives, friends and just acquaintances. And you will immediately understand who is included in these very percentages and who is not ...
      1. Mikhail Sidorov
        Mikhail Sidorov 11 January 2022 12: 45
        +2
        I read somewhere that only 10-15% of the population are able to think critically, the rest think on TV ... Look at your colleagues, relatives, friends and just acquaintances. And you will immediately understand who is included in these very percentages and who is not ...

        Probably the way it is. At work, no one is interested in anything. I met a friend with whom I did not communicate for a long time. So he pushed this about the Russian Spring in Ukraine, and in general about Russia. I'm shocked. Underwent agitation bulk.
        1. Greenwood
          Greenwood 12 January 2022 20: 46
          -3
          Quote: Mikhail Sidorov
          Subjected to agitation they will pile on.
          With this phrase, you immediately excluded yourself from those same 10-15%. Alas.
      2. Ashes of Claes
        Ashes of Claes 11 January 2022 14: 07
        -5
        Quote: Xlor
        that only 10-15% of the population are able to think critically, the rest think on TV ... Look at your colleagues, relatives, friends and just acquaintances. And you will immediately understand who is included in these very percentages and who is not ...

        Well, sir, and to whom do you refer your interlocutor from his
        Quote: Mikhail Sidorov
        So he pushed this about the Russian Spring in Ukraine, and in general about Russia. I'm shocked. Underwent agitation bulk.

        Just out of curiosity.
        What are the "percentages"? Watching TV or critically thinking?))
        1. Xlor
          Xlor 11 January 2022 14: 21
          0
          Do you know how to read at all, or are you just looking at pictures?
    2. Ashes of Claes
      Ashes of Claes 11 January 2022 11: 54
      -1
      The worst enemy of any propaganda is intellectualism.

      attributed to Goebbels.
  17. vladcub
    vladcub 11 January 2022 09: 35
    +1
    Roman, thanks for the illustrations ... Some posters are primitive, but there are also high-quality works.
    Comrades, the poster: "they will destroy the bandits" could be used in the western regions of Ukraine and Belarus. Just change the ending: "report to: the police and the Soviet authorities" it would be ok
  18. vladcub
    vladcub 11 January 2022 09: 54
    +2
    Quote: Mikhail Sidorov
    Good article. Strong leaflets, posters published. Of course they could and had an impact on Soviet citizens, especially in the initial period of the war.

    To be honest: such posters had an impact on the population. Let's remember "Lokotskoe self-government" and Mr. Kaminsky and his bandits. Such a beast was that the Fuehrer ordered his Tavo to be "disposed of", and his bandits were told: "Accept our sympathy. These are Bolshevik villains" and after that the Old Believers "Catacombniks" wrote him down as "saints."
  19. Aleksey Aleksandrovich
    Aleksey Aleksandrovich 11 January 2022 10: 14
    +1
    Interestingly, did the German propaganda work in the occupied territories?
    1. tatra
      tatra 11 January 2022 10: 40
      +1
      The enemies of the communists on the territory of the USSR proved that they, as religious fanatics, believe in what they WANT to believe, even in what cannot be, and under this belief their puppeteers on the territory of the USSR, in the West, in Europe, inspire that to those it is beneficial for their criminal purposes.
      1. Kerensky
        Kerensky 12 January 2022 21: 12
        0
        The enemies of the communists on the territory of the USSR proved that they, like religious fanatics, believe in what they WANT to believe, even in what cannot be,

        Irina. A statement that does not require proof is the essence of dogma.
        You put absenteeism at the forum of pregnant mothers - there the enemies of the communists teach them to knit booties incorrectly!
        Of course, I am flattered, you have written down as an enemy of the communists. And what about Nestor Ivanovich Makhno? Also an enemy of the communists?
    2. Ashes of Claes
      Ashes of Claes 11 January 2022 12: 24
      +1
      Quote: Alexey Alexandrovich
      Interestingly, did the German propaganda work in the occupied territories?

      Any propaganda works. The question is in its efficiency.
  20. Olgovich
    Olgovich 11 January 2022 10: 18
    +4
    what was empty chatter Goebbels against the background of their real atrocities:

    Consolidated act on the atrocities of the fascist invaders against peaceful Soviet citizens and prisoners of war on the territory of the Smolensk region. January 25, 1945 ":

    - There were massive and singles everywhere executions civilian population.

    - Application was ubiquitous gallows.

    -Facts mass burning of living people - in all districts of the region.

    -Buried people alive (Andreevsky, Kasplyansky, Sychevsky, Temkinsky, Usvyatsky and other areas).

    -Killed citizens poison (Dorogobuzhsky, Ponizovsky, Tumanovsky districts).

    -AT gas chambers (Smolensk, Roslavl).

    -Blown up in minefields (Velizhsky, Glinkovsky, Demidovsky, Slobodskoy, Sychevsky, Temkinsky and other areas).

    -Mass phenomenon was the violent death of civilians from the cold and hunger (Sychevsky, Temkinsky, Usvyatsky and other areas).

    -Vile violence against women the Germans also committed in all districts and cities of the region.

    -Mass hijacking population to the German rear and to German penal servitude was carried out by the occupiers from all districts and cities of the region without exception.

    "Drawing up acts about atrocities and lists of victims of atrocities by a large number of village councils or groups of village councils is not possible for the district commissions due to the complete devastation of these village Soviets and the absence of the population in them"."


    Was going total physical extermination of Russians and any papers of the invaders against this background are simply ridiculous.

    The people stood up on protection of the Fatherland, your family and your home.

    The truth was here:

    ..So kill the fascist, so that he,
    And you did not lie on the ground,
    Not in your house to moan,
    And he stood by him in the dead.

    So he wanted, his guilt, -
    Let his house burn, and not yours,
    And let not your wife,
    And let him be a widow.

    Let her cry out not yours,
    And his born mother,
    Not yours, but his family
    Ponaprasnu let him wait.

    So kill at least one!
    So kill him quickly!
    How many times will you see him,
    Kill him so many times
    !
    (C)


    And try to argue here ...
  21. Old electrician
    Old electrician 11 January 2022 10: 19
    +11
    I don’t know why everything worked so well in Europe, perhaps the fear of communism helped, but for some reason it didn’t work on the territory of the Soviet republics.

    - according to the author, the main problem is that the fear of communism did not work.
    During the war, my wife's family was under occupation. They are not Jews, not NKVDeshniks, not komunyaki, ordinary collective farmers. In 1942 my wife's uncle Vanechka was two years old. His house was occupied by a German officer, and Vanechka and the others were driven into a cattle barn.
    The barn, even if the Germans took the cow and other beast, the place is not the best for the child, so he was put in the yard to breathe fresh air. It was in the summer of 1942, Vanechka sat and enjoyed life, did not interfere with anyone, did not intend to join the party, did not help the partisans. The German officer wanted to warm up, and he went for a walk. Probably, this officer was a talented German footballer, the ancestor of Beckenbauer or someone else from this gang. He was too lazy to go around the child, and he killed him with a kick.
    It's a strange thing, but despite the savory anti-Semitic posters, the eldest son of his wife's grandmother (that is, her uncle) at the age of 16 went to the partisans, and the grandmother, despite a bunch of children, helped the partisans. It's just amazing - and why did Goebbels fail to do anything with the agitation ?!
    My father, as a child, did not get to the front. But the rest of my aunts and uncles fought. His older sister, my aunt Valya, met the war as a nurse in a military unit on the western border. Part of her was shattered and she was surrounded.
    All summer Valya with the remnants of the unit got out of the environment. They went out only together near Moscow in October. At the end of their wandering around the German rear, only three of them remained. They were terribly hungry. The front was already heard when they came out to a small forest village. We crept up to the last house and asked the woman who lived there for something to eat. The woman said that she would give potatoes (there is nothing else), just leave right away - the headman is rare. According to his denunciations, several families with their children have already been shot for helping the entourage. They did not have time to leave - the headman brought the Germans.
    To hide the encirclement from the Germans, the woman filled Valya with dirty bags in the barn. She covered the second encirclement with brushwood, and the third hid in the attic.
    The Germans themselves did not see the encirclement, it seems that the headman was not very sure that he really saw the encirclement. In addition, to all appearances, he has already gotten the Germans out with his denunciations. Therefore, the Germans did the search carelessly and did not find anyone. Only one of the Germans looked into the attic and fired a burst from a machine gun at random. An encirclement hiding there was killed by an accidental bullet, but the German did not even notice it ...
    Soon after, they crossed the front line. According to the laws of the modern cinema genre, Valya would have to be interrogated by a red-faced NKVD for a couple of months, and then to the wall or to the GULAG. Alas for the mythmakers! Valya did not get into the Gulag either before or after. Moreover. She carried the banner of the division and for this she was awarded the Order of the Red Star.
    Valya remained in the same unit where she left the encirclement. Soon a counter-offensive began near Moscow, and it so happened that a new part of Vali liberated the village with a "hospitable" headman. You will be surprised, but when the Red Army men caught him, they did not hand over the headman to the NKVD officers. He was simply humanely and even affectionately thrown under the tank.
    Vale was lucky. She went through the entire war and met Victory in 1945 in the Baltic States.
    1. boris epstein
      boris epstein 11 January 2022 17: 56
      +2
      Why didn’t work in Europe, re-read Pikul’s "I have the honor". There is an episode there. Conversation of the Soviet (former colonel of the Russian General Staff) intelligence officer with the French bourgeois after the occupation of France. A question to the Frenchman: "Why does he not fight the Nazis and join the Maki detachments?" In response, he opens his wallet and says: "The Germans have private property and everything mine remained with me. With the poppies, I would have nothing left."
  22. Alsur
    Alsur 11 January 2022 10: 27
    -5
    Quote: Doccor18
    Quote: Dalny V
    This means that the people understood that it was worth fighting for the Soviet power ...

    Of course I understood. Even the illiterate population of the early 20th century understood that it was impossible to live like this anymore, and a revolution took place. What can we say about the generation that was born and raised under the USSR, studied in the Soviet school ...
    Hitler's main mistake was that he did not oppose one regime to another, he opposed life to death. His racial theory, extraordinary cruelty to the peoples with whom he fought, left him no chance of victory. For with the army you can fight and you can win, and you can fight with the people, but it is impossible to defeat the people.

    You read how the revolution (the first) took place, no one asked the people and it was not the people who made the revolution, but the elite of the Tsarist Republic of Ingushetia, first of all, and the infected class of capitalists (merchants). What kind of people are you writing about.
    1. Ashes of Claes
      Ashes of Claes 11 January 2022 12: 10
      +1
      Quote: ALSur
      You read how the revolution (the first) took place, no one asked the people and the revolution was made not by the people, but by the elite of the Tsarist Republic of Ingushetia

      The first was the 1905 revolution.
      Has its elite muddied?
      1. Daniil Konovalenko
        Daniil Konovalenko 11 January 2022 12: 27
        +1
        Has its elite muddied?
        And then laughing For example, the uprising of officers on the battleship Potemkin or the December uprising of the Semyonovsky and Preobrazhensky guards regiments, which were brutally suppressed by the workers of Presnya. laughing
        1. d_averk
          d_averk 12 January 2022 00: 18
          +1
          Sarcasm is not far from the truth. The petition of the officers of the Black Sea Fleet is apparently not familiar.

          Among the naval officers, some were sympathetic to the uprising, and when they learned of the plan for the bloody massacre of the revolutionaries, they arranged a meeting to discuss the situation at Rostislav. At this meeting, it was decided to submit a petition with the following content to the commander of the troops, Meller-Zakomelsky and the chief commander of the Black Sea Fleet, Chukhnin:

          1. The officers of the fleet do not want bloodshed;

          2. To ask the squadron not to leave the anchor;

          3. As a result of the inconsistent and insincere policy of the local naval authorities and ignorance of officers, the crew's trust in the officers was undermined;

          4. Now go to meet the acceptable economic demands of the teams through a meeting of officers;

          5. To ask the sovereign emperor's mercy to bring to justice not according to the laws of wartime those responsible for the riots of the naval commands in Sevastopol, but to a public military court with the free participation of representatives of the legal profession;

          6. Convocation of a general meeting of all officers' ranks to resolve urgent burning issues, to direct the further activities of the Black Sea Fleet.

          This petition was signed by 69 officers, 15 lieutenants, 22 warrant officers, 21 mechanical engineers, 6 doctors and 4 warrant officers.
    2. Daniil Konovalenko
      Daniil Konovalenko 11 January 2022 12: 22
      +2
      You read how the revolution (the first) took place, no one asked the people and it was not the people who made the revolution, but the elite of the Tsarist Republic of Ingushetia, first of all, and the infected class of capitalists (merchants).
      ... Ugums, the elite and the capitalist class, led the workers of Moscow Presnya to the barricades, in some cities and villages they began to proclaim republics, organize peasant uprisings, uprisings of military units laughing
    3. d_averk
      d_averk 12 January 2022 00: 15
      +1
      Probably about the one who mastered the nascent rules of the Russian language.
      And the capitalists ... they are not merchants, in general.
  23. Flank
    Flank 11 January 2022 10: 31
    +4
    I will cite two episodes of how an illiterate people, in the absence of information, guessed about the situation at the fronts:

    I read in Drabkin's book how one Westerner about 15 years was sent to a German prison in Germany. The Germans constantly said that the Russians were everything, but the railway was visible through the window. And along it the trains went to the east. And that kid understood that since they were going there, someone in the east was knocking out this technique.

    My grandfather told me how a familiar defector in German uniform spoke to them in the occupied territory. He said that he was near Moscow and many red-bellies were killed there, and that the Soviets were done. And my grandfather at the age of 12 with 4 grades of school realized that it was a lie. Because why aren't you in Moscow yet?
  24. datura23
    datura23 11 January 2022 10: 32
    0
    I had to write everything in Russian, it sounded unconvincing in Little Russian
  25. Senior seaman
    Senior seaman 11 January 2022 12: 46
    +3
    some of them are probably worth mentioning. Alexander Albov, White Guard emigrant, lieutenant of the Izmailovsky regiment, full St George cavalier.

    Curiously, when did Albov, born in 1902 (that is, in 1918 he was 16 !!!), managed to receive as many as four Orders of St. George?
    The maximum that he could have was the insignia of the military order or, in common parlance, "soldier's george", and the White Guard, to which the WWI veterans did not, shall we say, very much.
    Among the Germans, he wore two crosses and, it seems, "for the ice campaign" but here I could be wrong.
    1. Xlor
      Xlor 11 January 2022 12: 59
      +1
      It is curious when Albov was born in 1902 (that is, in 1918 he was 16 !!!) he managed to receive as many as four Orders of St. George

      The form of the awards is kind of strange ...
      1. Senior seaman
        Senior seaman 11 January 2022 14: 05
        +3
        I am not God knows what a phaletrist, but it seems like one order, and another insignia. That is, officer and soldier.
        In general, according to the apt definition of one of the emigrants, many of his comrades in misfortune, being mongrels, tried to pass themselves off as St. Bernards.
        That is, the ranks were added and the fake awards were hanged ...
        1. Ashes of Claes
          Ashes of Claes 11 January 2022 14: 20
          +1
          Quote: Senior Sailor
          In general, according to the apt definition of one of the emigrants, many of his comrades in misfortune, being mongrels they tried to pass themselves off as St. Bernards.
          That is, the ranks were added and the fake awards were hanged ...

          Well-oo-oo-oo, in comparison with the modern, excuse me, Cossack kennels, hung with tsatski, do not go in any way. laughing They even have a cross for guarding the relics of St. S. Sarovsky.
    2. Ashes of Claes
      Ashes of Claes 11 January 2022 13: 51
      -1
      Quote: Senior Sailor
      Among the Germans, he wore two crosses and, it seems, "for the ice campaign" but here I could be wrong.

      Isn't that P.A. Kadushkin? Maybe the wrong photo was attached to the article on the wiki? Kadushkin was the First Walker, yes. And St. George 4th Art. had.
      1. Senior seaman
        Senior seaman 11 January 2022 14: 05
        0
        Alakh knows him, dear colleague! request
  26. Illanatol
    Illanatol 11 January 2022 14: 18
    0
    Quote: Ashes of Klaas
    maybe because in our Soviet childhood we didn’t sink to such idiotism?


    Why "idiocy" at once?
    And there were Soviet cartoons on the theme of the Second World War.
    1. Ashes of Claes
      Ashes of Claes 11 January 2022 14: 25
      -1
      Quote: Illanatol
      And there were Soviet cartoons on the theme of the Second World War.

      Well, name at least one. The comrade was interested above.
  27. Illanatol
    Illanatol 11 January 2022 14: 23
    +2
    Quote: Basarev
    The main mistake was not with Goebbels, but with the entire Nazi regime as a whole. It was enough to come up with a scientific breakthrough in racial studies, to personally endow the Russians with Aryanism.


    And then stop robbing and exploiting them? They are Aryans, also descendants of the Atlanteans. soldier
    Then what is the point of conquest?

    Propaganda is only able to work when it does not deviate much from reality.
    And if it starts to contradict them, it produces the opposite effect.
  28. Illanatol
    Illanatol 11 January 2022 14: 34
    +1
    Quote: Ashes of Klaas

    Well, name at least one. The comrade was interested above.


    He does not need names, but the cartoons themselves

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IkTT0FzhxrY
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D7lEvQMYlhg&list=PLWOFf0wdXU2_vF7JF6wWJZO46Nr_83hBI
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BkP40Au7Das
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e6yQ68aqFEs
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CoDkuAYlaog
    1. Ashes of Claes
      Ashes of Claes 11 January 2022 14: 55
      -1
      Hmm ... Indeed. Probably, I did, but it was not postponed at all. Animation is not a suitable genre for a military theme though.
  29. Unknown
    Unknown 11 January 2022 15: 45
    +1
    [quote] [/ Plus, to be honest, the command of the Red Army itself created many opportunities in the first year of the war precisely for the soldiers to prefer captivity. There was such a thing in our history.quote] I wonder what such opportunities did the command create so that the soldiers would prefer captivity? Maybe there was agitation work, among the personnel of the units, on the topic of how to surrender? I have already cited the testimony of former prisoners about surrender, everyone can find and read interrogation materials. They surrendered because they did not know how to fight, and there was only one life. When the enemy advances, the troops defeat him, they are confident of victory, there will always be a mass of prisoners. This was the case in Poland, France, the Balkans, and the USSR is no exception. It was necessary to hate the German, lose pity for the enemy, become bitter. Get used to death, which is pretty often in war. The Germans are also not bastard, they knew how to fight and could. Our leaflets were not particularly believed ... so far

    Confidence in themselves, in weapons, also in commanders, so they resisted to the point. Stalingrad shaken this confidence, in 43 they had not yet surrendered very much to prisoners, and already in the 44th they were counted in thousands.
    Such is the war [quote] Considering that the partisan movement was created and supervised by the structures of the NKVD - it's almost true [/ quote]. The partisan movement, first of all, was created by the party, on the basis of regional committees of regional committees and other party structures .... One of the main bodies directly related to the organization of the partisan movement in 1941 was the Communist Party itself. The Central Committee of the All-Union Communist Party directed the formation of partisan detachments, while the organizational structure of the partisan movement was to copy the existing territorial structure of the party. Probably, a number of party officials have been dealing with this issue since July, but there is no exact information on this. There is concrete evidence of the organization of the partisan movement at the level of the regions of the RSFSR and the union republics [112] ......... The NKVD supervised partisan detachments as far as possible and tasks. It itself sent sabotage groups, to which it was recommended not to contact the partisan detachments without special need, they have other tasks assigned. Partisan detachments grew, became brigades,
    controlled entire areas. When carrying out punitive operations, the Germans left scorched earth behind them. DGs are not intended to wage a full-scale war. Goebbels's propaganda war was opposed by counterpropaganda and it was more successful. Hitler's idea of ​​the USSR was from the time of WWI. The propaganda that was rolled out in the West did not work in the Union. The people were already different.
    1. d_averk
      d_averk 12 January 2022 00: 22
      0
      I wonder what such opportunities did the command create so that the soldiers would prefer captivity?

      Some kind of rhetorical question. The massive cauldrons of the time of the beginning of the Second World War are in many aspects the result of "the capabilities created by the command."
      1. Unknown
        Unknown 12 January 2022 18: 29
        +1
        Quote: d_averk
        Some kind of rhetorical question. The massive cauldrons of the time of the beginning of the Second World War are in many aspects the result of "the capabilities created by the command."

        Does the environment imply a massive surrender? Yes, there were some officers who abandoned their soldiers, but still this is not a reason to surrender. Yes, and no one is immune from boilers. Over time, they learned how to arrange boilers for the Germans. They behave differently in the environment. Most, with battles breaks through to their own, someone stands to death
        I hope the photo will not be removed, it does not correspond to the version that they did not fight with the name of Stalin. But there are those who, following your logic, with weapons in their hands, will surrender.
        and prefer to swell, and still starve to death in the camp. Everyone chooses his own path.
        1. d_averk
          d_averk 15 January 2022 23: 42
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          Did you personally participate in the hostilities, were you under the blows of the Junkers, shelling, surrounded? I am not interested in discussing with theorists the behavior of unfired soldiers, in addition, often deprived of adequate command. All people, especially even young recruits, are different.
          There was some kind of moral authority - a commander, an experienced soldier - morality was preserved. No, panic was spreading.
          1. Unknown
            Unknown 16 January 2022 10: 30
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            As for the Junkers, it didn’t happen, the age is not the same. Field mail 93992, Kunar province, Laghman, Mihtarlam mountains 1983-84.
      2. place
        place 18 January 2022 12: 57
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        Quote: d_averk
        The massive boilers of the beginning of the Second World War are in many aspects the result of the "opportunities created by the command."

        And the retreat of the Russian army to Moscow and the surrender of Moscow to Napoleon in September 1812, are these also "opportunities created by the command"? Are you smarter than the Soviet command, which retreated in 1941, but won the greatest war in the history of mankind?
        Or do you think that you can be inferior in 1941, but then "suddenly" become full-fledged?
        If you read Guderian's Memoirs of a Soldier, you might think that he was even a much greater patriot of the USSR than all of you put together ..... I dare to assume that he was also smarter than all of you put together.
    2. Sugar Honeyovich
      Sugar Honeyovich 12 January 2022 03: 29
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      Quote: Unknown
      In 43, they had not yet surrendered very much to captivity, and already in 44, the bill went into thousands.

      From 01.07.1942/30.06.1943/530 to XNUMX/XNUMX/XNUMX, the Red Army captured over XNUMX thousand enemies. Incl. dozens of generals.
      1. Unknown
        Unknown 12 January 2022 18: 49
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        Quote: Sahar Medovich
        From 01.07.1942/30.06.1943/530 to XNUMX/XNUMX/XNUMX, the Red Army captured over XNUMX thousand enemies. Incl. dozens of generals

        Yes, that's right, major offensive operations were carried out. Here are the data Year Quarter Number of German prisoners of war
        1941 iv 26,000
        1942 I 120,000
        ii 120,000
        III 110,000
        iv 100,000
        1943 I 170,000
        ii 160,000
        III 190,000
        iv 200,000
        1944 I 240,000
        ii 370,000
        III 560,000
        iv 560,000
        1945 I 1,100,000
        ii 2,000,000
        III 1,900,000
        iv 1,400,000
        1946 iv 1,100,000
        1947 iv 840,000
        1948 iv 500,000
        1949 iv 85,000
        1950 iv 29,000
        As you can see, 41-42 years do not compare with 44-45 years, when the Red Army learned to fight, gained confidence and the desire to finish off the Germans.
        1. Sugar Honeyovich
          Sugar Honeyovich 13 January 2022 03: 51
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          Quote: Unknown
          As you can see, 41-42 years old cannot be compared with 44-45 years old,

          Nevertheless, as we can see, the "count of thousands" has been going on since 1941.
  30. Victor Tsenin
    Victor Tsenin 11 January 2022 17: 01
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    > confirming fairly decent living conditions

    Existence is not what people want, people want to live decently, and this is too fat for "barbarians".

    In fact, for the first time I see so many samples of German propaganda in one work, thank you very much, very informative!
  31. tralflot1832
    tralflot1832 11 January 2022 18: 06
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    Goebel's propaganda reached Ukraine 56 years after our victory. Soil was found so that its shoots would germinate.
  32. anthonindex
    anthonindex 12 January 2022 07: 04
    +1


    The abundance of hexagonal stars in Goebel's posters undoubtedly influenced the Soviet caricature.
  33. Alsur
    Alsur 12 January 2022 09: 59
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    Quote: Ashes of Klaas
    Quote: ALSur
    You read how the revolution (the first) took place, no one asked the people and the revolution was made not by the people, but by the elite of the Tsarist Republic of Ingushetia

    The first was the 1905 revolution.
    Has its elite muddied?

    It was about a revolution, as a result of which there was a change in the social order, did this change take place in 1905? And if we talk about all the revolutions in Ingushetia, then why then do you not consider the events of 1825 the first revolution?
  34. ivan2022
    ivan2022 12 January 2022 19: 09
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    Propaganda is quite "patriotic" by our modern standards .... If we talk about propaganda, I don't see any mistakes in the tactics of the German information war. The mistake of the Nazis was in a different way - in underestimating the economic capabilities of the USSR. But it was propaganda that made it possible after the Second World War to reduce these objective advantages of the economic system of the USSR to zero due to the subjective mental factor.
    If you look at the scale of decades and the scale of the entire West as a whole, the West did not have any mistakes, what they wanted, they achieved. Not in one stage, but in several ... The Second World War was one of the stages.
  35. gsev
    gsev 13 January 2022 04: 57
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    The main mistake of Goebbels was quite different. As you know, in his time, Goebbels was an anti-Nazi and in his witty speeches at rallies he smashed the ideas of the Nazis to smithereens. However, at some point, Hitler caught some rot in Goebbels's speeches and invited his opponent to a frank conversation. During the conversation, Hitler promised Goebbels to engage in propaganda in the Nazi party and to lead all activities related to or affecting propaganda. Goebbels agreed to this, changed his views and, according to the terms of the deal with Hitler, was forced to stop criticizing the actions of the Nazis. Perhaps he wanted to rebuild the Nazis, but having professionally engaged in propaganda, he began to stifle any germs of critical thinking among the German people. As a result, instead of its own thinking, the country began to live only on the instructions of the Fuehrer and the opportunity to change the vicious policy became difficult to implement. Even at the end of his career, instead of ending the war earlier and at least persuading his spouse not to kill his daughters and himself, Goebbels released the last leaflet with the slogan "In this war, there can be any miracle except the German surrender." And at the end of April 1945, Red Army soldiers and documentary filmmaker R. Carmen summoned Goebbels for a frank conversation to tell him what his opponents think about him and about Nazism. After this conversation, the Goebel family made a decision about their own suicide and the death of their daughters' innocent. This is precisely what propaganda is dangerous for. It replaces critical thinking and, at a critical moment in the life of the state, causes new and unforeseen failures. For example, recently the St. Petersburg Prosecutor's Office tried to initiate a case against Alexei Filipov for his quotation of the famous friend of the USSR, philosopher Sartre, saying "every anti-communist bastard." The unfortunate idiot prosecutor apparently decided to conduct a small propaganda campaign in the style of Goebbels, deciding that with his clumsy actions he would earn the gratitude of the country's leaders, who would decide that by this process he would reduce the number of supporters of the Communist Party of the Russian Federation and those voting against United Russia in the next elections. I think he earned gratitude to the CIA and SBU, who banned the local Communist Party in Ukraine and who can tell the local communists that we simply banned you, but we do not fine or imprison you, even if you speak out against us more sharply. So, start fighting with us against the modern Russian state and agitate the Russian communists to join the fight. On the other hand, the further development of the St. Petersburg prosecutor's activity will be the ban on the song "Sacred War". There are also the words "Rotten fascist evil spirits will drive a bullet in the forehead." They can be directly interpreted as “anti-communist scum to drive a bullet in the forehead.” Because according to the letter of the law, both Goebbels and Himler and even Eichmann are convinced anti-communists and they should also be protected as members of a class or social group of anti-communists. Here it is already necessary either to moderate the ardor of the prosecutor and the St. Petersburg court by malicious intent or his own idiocy, who decided to whitewash Nazism and play in favor of direct opponents of Russia or V.V. Putin should back up and repent that he called for not allowing Nazism to be rehabilitated out of stupidity without consulting St. Petersburg lawyers.
  36. Illanatol
    Illanatol 13 January 2022 09: 23
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    Quote: Ashes of Klaas
    Animation is not a suitable genre for a military theme though.


    Controversial thesis. Moreover, animation is developing at an accelerated pace and has ceased to be an exclusively "childish" genre.
    Are you offering to give this topic at the mercy of others so that they can use it to form a point of view on certain events that is beneficial to them, and not to us? Not very smart.
    Animation on a military theme in general and on the theme of World War II, in particular, is filmed in other countries (Western, and not entirely Western). For obvious reasons, it is quite popular among adolescents, young people, and even quite adults. Not only a means of entertainment, but also an element of sociotronics, accessible and effective.
  37. stankow
    stankow 15 January 2022 20: 00
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    Very relevant even today. The same occupation Vost. Europe, the same expulsion of a slave. resources. And the same terrible demographic losses. The same propaganda and collaborationism.
  38. Ile ham
    Ile ham 16 January 2022 01: 19
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    The material and commenting on events is beyond praise! But!! Errors in spelling, punctuation and syntax are so obvious that it is hard to understand the essence of what is being said. Roman, when writing articles, take your time - check. I apologize for the "groaning" - my body reacts very sharply to these "misses". In the future - good luck and success!
  39. gridasov
    gridasov 17 January 2022 13: 27
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    The term Doctor in a normal person is associated with the concept of a savior who heals an ailment. Can Goebbels or Mengele be combined with these concepts. Let me remind you on the street 2022.