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A big country needs a big army

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Ground troops as a mirror of the problems of the Armed Forces


14 June 2013 of the year, a round table was held in the State Duma on the topic “The state of combat readiness of the Land Forces of the Russian Federation” (“MIC”, No. 26). The speakers identified the hottest, most painful problems that exist today in this type of troops and more broadly in all the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation. “Clearly formulating the problem is the first step towards solving it,” said Vladimir Komoedov, chairman of the State Duma Committee on Defense, who assured those present that all speeches would certainly be conveyed to those who make the appropriate decisions.

Officers need much more

Ground forces are the main type of the Armed Forces in our country, because in the event of an armed conflict they will be the ones to solve the main tasks of protecting the state.

On the issue of the size of the Armed Forces, first of all, it is necessary to break the idea of ​​the correctness of the 150 ratio of thousands of officers per million. We can not keep all the troops in constant readiness, the maximum 39 brigades - 10 divisions. Are they able to protect our huge country? Not. So the officers need much more.

A big country needs a big army

Further. In order to have some kind of mobilization reserves, it is necessary to maintain military service. With a full transition to the contract method of recruitment, we will not have any mobilization reserves.

In India, where I was a military adviser for four years, a contract army. Ground forces - one million 130 thousand people, 61 division, plus an engineering brigade, six military districts. Competition - 10 man in place. The service begins with 17 years, there is a system of recruitment points and training. Recruit paid money. A year is taught to a soldier, then he comes to the troops and signs the first contract for five years. During this period, lives in the barracks, as an ordinary soldier, he can not marry. After six years, if he serves normally, he is sent to study for a sergeant. That is, he becomes a sergeant only in the seventh year of service.

After all the sergeant positions, he goes to study at the non-commissioned officer. In India, three categories of non-commissioned officers. Next, the non-commissioned officer goes to take exams and enters the courses for officers.

This is only one of the ways of recruiting officers in this country. The main way - universities. Three years of study at the National Academy, then two years at a military school. Tankmen, artillerymen and infantrymen study at the National Academy of Ground Forces, after which each specializes in his own school.

Soldier has the right to marry only at the conclusion of the second contract, at the same time he is given service housing. In general, living conditions look like this: in the brigade there is a cottage of the brigade commander and separate towns: officers, noncommissioned officers, sergeants and soldiers.

Can we create such conditions for contractors? Never. That is why we will not get away from military service.

Now for the increase in service life to one and a half years. Can you give at least six months to teach a soldier to be a soldier? Don't send him to the troops right away, teach him to shoot from all types of rifle first. weapons, machine guns, grenade launchers. A lot of problems will go away if he comes to the linear regiment, the battalion is a trained soldier.

In Vladikavkaz, they have now created a brigade of the so-called constant readiness, which takes personnel almost all year round and tries to put it into operation. It is more or less staffed, but we have no military enlistment office, and no one else is responsible for the call. The call lasts from April almost until September. Young soldiers go in batches, and the task of the brigade and the officers is to receive them, to train them. Day and night, they shoot at the landfill continuously, and in the fall will begin to quit. There is no talk of any coordination of divisions, companies, battalions.

Next, you need to tighten the responsibility for evading military service. We have 250 thousands of draft dodgers available, of which 14 people are somehow punished. And no one bears any responsibility. And this is despite the fact that our main problem is the absence of troops. There was a division in the Far East, seven regiments (Primorye, Khasansky district). I thought that even if they left the brigade, nothing at all. The towns are abandoned, everything is destroyed, the buildings of the most fortified areas are put to scrap.

Vladivostok - the main base of the Pacific fleet not protected at all. There was a division of the Marine Corps - eliminated.

And, of course, it is necessary to radically restore the control system, the military districts. They must be at least seven. It goes without saying that it is necessary to separate the districts from the fleet, restore the plan for the construction of ground forces. To lead the military districts in all matters, except perhaps strategic, must commander in chief.

Victor Sobolev,
Commander of the 58 Army (2004 – 2006), Lieutenant General



Army aviation - Potemkin village

The fulfillment of their tasks by the Ground Forces is impossible without achieving fire superiority over the enemy, which is provided by the artillery missile forces, tank troops and aircraft. In all armed conflicts after the Great Patriotic War there was not a single one where army aviation was not actively used.

According to the experience of the Chechen campaign, the recognition of my comrades, we know that a soldier does not attack if helicopters do not buzz over him. The soldier feels confident only when he feels aviation support.

This year, Army Aviation will celebrate the 65 anniversary of its formation. Of these 13 years we were part of the Ground Forces.

Army aviation is intended primarily for the aviation support of the Ground Forces. Without it, it is impossible to increase the mobility of this kind of troops. But army aviation can operate successfully only when there is a control system that includes controls, command and control points and communications equipment for the ACS.

We often look to the past - in Soviet times, to go further from that level, looking with horror at the hole in which we now find ourselves. Then, in each district, the Aviation Administration consisted of 18 – 35 people. In every army, there was an 10 man in the aviation department.

In Moscow, the whole army organization was headed by the Army Aviation Administration headed by Colonel-General Pavlov - just 111 people. KP Aviation District consisted of 50 – 70 people. The level of training of officers of the District Aviation Administration was higher than that of the regimental commander. This officer had to come to the regiment of the army aviation to the regimental commander, set the task and monitor its implementation.

Overnight, the whole system collapsed. What do we have now for the management of army aviation in the commander-in-chief of the air force, a department of army aviation? Reduction to two people in the head office. We reconstructed the army aviation department to eight people. It is typed while four. The aviation bases include a group of aviation gunners - seven people: the chief, his deputy, two officers, a driver, a tablet player, a radio operator. That is, only two people can manage army aviation on the battlefield. Are they able to complete the task?

It seems that our aviation in general and the army in particular is such a Potemkin village, only to fly by parades.

Ground troops should, as a boxer, have two long arms: rocket troops and aircraft. The infantry commander whistled - and the aircraft immediately appeared over the battlefield, as it was in Afghanistan. With the existing state of affairs - as long as the task is set, until it arrives, until it is imposed - relevance will disappear.

250 man level above the regiment commander thrown into the trash. They do not need Russia.

Three years there was no set in school. And this is with a natural decline of five to seven percent annually: of old age, due to illness, etc. Add to this the reform reforms, dissatisfaction with the service, other things, and the decline in aviation will actually be 10 – 15 percent. You can imagine what a personnel collapse awaits us.

According to the State Armaments Program, up to 2020, everything will be fine in our fleet. I report: the team, which is scheduled to create, will have a 88 – 92 helicopter. They plan to deploy 13 pieces. How many helicopters are needed? We now have 865 helicopters, and of them 50 percent are operational. And for reference: Americans have 8680 helicopters.

Modern warfare will be fought with the forces and assets that have been accumulated before it began. Fill the lack of how it was in the Great Patriotic War, will not succeed. Not the technique, not the pace of production, not the loss.

It is necessary to smoothly and gradually recreate the aviation control system of the Ground Forces, in order not to plant aviation in a naked field, like potatoes, as Grachev said at the time.

The Main Command of the Air Force must carefully consider how to minimize losses from personnel collapse as part of army aviation, how to fill these cadres, first of all commanders, when recreating the command and control bodies of the Ground Forces.

Anatoly Surtsukov,
Head of Army Aviation Administration (2003 – 2005), Lieutenant General



The disease is curable.

After the new appointments in the Air Force, the command was immediately given to return to the 2008 states of the year. All have risen, but nothing has happened: the disease originated by the previous Minister of Defense gives certain metastases. And we must fight them more courageously.

There will already be two years, as there are Troops of the East Kazakhstan region, and the issue of responsibility for covering the state border in airspace has not yet been resolved.

The problems related to the scientific and educational base were aggravated. Heads of administration, deputies of the commander in chief, where are you applying for the young recruitment? How much do you need young officers, officers?

Now for the checks. The place and time chosen for them are, of course, surprising. May - preparations are underway for a new period of training, the dismissal of personnel on call-up, conscription. It is clear what the staffing and coherence. Four regiments have been torn from combat duty. One sits down, three smoke in the smoking room, that is, one presses the buttons, three wait. The second regiment climbed on this technique, and the third already lacks targets. We thought, figured, decided to work on the ground. And do not get into the ground - this is the wonders of anti-aircraft rocket art.

In addition, these four regiments under all regulatory documents, if I am not mistaken, are not checked for the year. That is, this is the most important final check - everything, a positive assessment of the regiment or group is already in your pocket.

The disease is still curable. The Armed Forces got into a military tropopause, as long as it does not lead to a military-political tropopause. This will be a tragedy. We need decisive political measures and military courage. Or you will have to negotiate with the West to live in the world until 2020, until we accumulate resources and strength.

Alexander Gorkov,
Commander of the Air Force Air Defense Missile Forces (2000 – 2008), Lieutenant General



No one knows what war will be.

The fact that it has been deliberately destroyed for almost six years cannot be recovered, even for 15. A state that does not manufacture 300 tanks a year cannot consider itself a country with a tank-building industry. We are not 20 for years. The same can be said about airplanes, and about everything else.

All this negative will continue until those responsible for what is happening appear, and then they fidgeted what they wanted and left. And it all starts on a new expense of taxpayers money.

What should be done? First of all, it is mandatory to raise the role of all three commanders, not only the Ground Forces, to the previous level. The commander should do everything, and the proposals should go from him. In the state in which the high posts are, they cannot do it. But it is also almost impossible to increase them to working condition now.

There is no rear, there are no weapons, finance, personnel, mobilization, medicine — nothing. Right now they proposed to make a deputy in the army for MTO. Urgently at the General Staff Academy in three months to train men to put them in the army. These are all half measures, but if we do not strive to overcome this destructive process, we will not see anything at the exit in the near future.

Or military education. Well, yes, now military education is being returned under the General Directorate of Personnel, as it always has been. The aunts who ruled for education have been removed, and there is still no head in the Directorate of Military Education.

We had 126 universities in the Red Army, and officers were always lacking. It was not from a good life that we took biennial students with an institute, at which the platoon commanders looked with a shudder. Now, of course, the process has begun in one academy, in a second academy, in schools, but the faculty has been lost.

At the Academy of General Staff there were 18 departments, two left. This year, you need to recruit 80 people, that is, at least eight departments need to be taught to really military matters. The question rests on the absence of teachers. You can, of course, ring up the people who quit, maybe they will come. But, unfortunately, not everyone wants to come back, people have already settled down, they work elsewhere, they receive money no less. But without cadres in military education, we will not move anywhere. And this question is very acute. What you need to do to get teachers back? How to prepare new ones?

About the contract service here have already spoken a lot and correctly. The point is purely public. Until we really interest people to go to contract service, until a normal contingent comes, from which it is possible to select, there will be only conversations. All this we have already passed - and deployed, and folded. Now the same thing: how much they scored, they fired so much.

The contractor should not live in the barracks, but in the service camp, have a small apartment - a one-room or two-room apartment, because in a maximum of five years he will have a family.

Now about the state of equipment and weapons in the Ground Forces. For five years no one has been doing this technique. And now the question is still not fully resolved. First, all the repair factories of the center, starting with the army bases, were transferred to Oboronservis. What came out of it, everyone knows. Virtually no contract with the industry was not concluded. And this last four years equipment was not serviced at all.

Now the ministry decides to go another way: repair facilities for maintenance should be restored in parts, and the average and overhaul repairs should be left at these plants, which should be transferred to industry. That is, we are talking about the second reorganization. The first was when they were driven under the "Oboronservis" this insolvent organization. Now the idea was born to pick them up from there and transfer them to industrial enterprises.

I do not undertake now to evaluate whether this is correct or not, so as not to be unfounded. I can only say that 85 percent of the equipment during World War II was restored and returned to service by means of army repair.

They say: such a war will not be. I do not know, no one knows what it will be.

What to do with technology - not even new, but with the one that is now there? It is necessary to maintain it, to carry out the regulations, to do medium and major repairs. And we are talking not only about the Ground Forces, but also about aviation technology, air defense equipment.

Now for social issues. A year has passed, as the leadership has changed, but the questions remained. The heads of the departments of the academy were without apartments, and still live in a dormitory.

Right now they form the Main Directorate of Combat Training. We need to recruit normal officers, because with combat training the last time is just a disaster. In this case, the directive goes: to complete only at the expense of officers who have an apartment in Moscow. In Moscow, for five years, apartments have not been given to anyone. Who to equip? Who will work?

Air Defense Department - nine people. Artillery control - 11 man. A shame! 40 percent of the Ground Forces - gunners.

All these questions have long overdue. And to fix the situation, it takes time. Breaking, we know, is very easy, longer periods of time are needed for recovery.

Alexander Belousov,
Chief of the Military Academy of the General Staff of the RF Armed Forces (2007 – 2009), Army General



Question for the president

I have introduced several bills to raise the prestige of the service in the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation. The first. If a person has not served in the army, he cannot be elected president, appointed prime minister, minister, as well as a deputy and a civil servant. We have many good reasons why a person may not serve, but 250 thousands of people just run away from the agenda until 27 is years old.

High-ranking officials all have children, most of them study abroad, get two educations there, then they will work a little and come back here and come to the civil service. And our army, thus, again becomes workers' and peasants, consisting of those who managed to catch from the village. And the children of officials do not serve, but then they manage the state.

Further, I proposed to increase the income tax to 20 percent for those who ran and hid before 45 for years, that is, did not serve in the army. A woman will not marry him, she will say why you pay instead of 13 percent, like everyone else, 20? It is clear that these proposals lie in the Committee on Legislation and will not receive any movement.

We recently held hearings on the MiG-31 in the Duma. It would seem a serious question. We talked about open borders and so on. All the experts said: there is no price for this car, in the near future it will surpass all Western analogues. But then Bondarev rises and says that her instrument panel is no longer the same, and in general no country in the world can alone and alone defend herself from anyone. If he had said this in the US Congress, he would no longer wear shoulder straps.

Now, after listening to all the speeches at this round table, I think: we really will not win anyone.

We have plans to hold hearings on aerospace defense. Before that, we will make a trip with the Defense Committee to the command post of aerospace defense in order to understand the problems.

We recently held a hearing on the disposal of ammunition. The most serious question. After all, 48 explosions happened, people died. I ask Bulgakov a question: is there at least some working group or commission composed of various ministries? They are referring to each other, to Russian Technologies, to Rogozin: they say they don’t want, they don’t, the way, it turns out, to these storages has already been broken - either imported or removed. Immerse ammunition and send to the factory? But the plant in the city center. Ammunition composition will be derailed, and that’s all ...

It turned out that there is no working group with a plan approved by the president or signed by the prime minister. I was told that this is too small a question for the president.

Alexander Tarnaev,
Member of the State Duma Defense Committee
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  1. Anonymus
    Anonymus 19 July 2013 08: 44 New
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    Stupid fat generals still think that they are fighting in numbers, and that in the alleged war it will be possible to defeat by throwing vanka, as in the First Chechen War.
    When will they already admit that not one conscript will be able to handle modern weapons normally in a year of preparation, or in two? More precisely, I could if it weren’t for the system of “combat training,” which transforms yesterday’s smart and initiative guy into a stupid and lazy animal.
    Georgia was rolled into the ground by ONE BATTALION - "Vostok", without communications and normal air support and artillery.
    1. fzr1000
      fzr1000 19 July 2013 08: 59 New
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      Georgia was rolled into the ground by ONE BATTALION - "Vostok", without communications and normal air support and artillery.

      Write ischo, keyboard string.
      1. Bronis
        Bronis 19 July 2013 10: 59 New
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        Quote: fzr1000
        Write ischo, keyboard string.

        In general, I notice that in the last week or two, several accounts were registered that wrote off very inappropriate comments. The syllable and general style are very similar ... It’s time for the guys (kid) in the “bathhouse”
      2. silver_roman
        silver_roman 19 July 2013 11: 16 New
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        but what did he write wrong ??? said “BUT”, say “WHY”! any argument must be supported by its arguments, otherwise it turns out that you are unfounded.
        I personally see his words in continuation of the words written in the article! can discuss it if you want!
        1. Bronis
          Bronis 19 July 2013 11: 40 New
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          The arguments apply in controversy. There is poorly reasoned expression.
          Quote: fzr1000
          ONE BATTALION - "Vostok" rolled Georgia into the ground

          approximately the same as "If it weren’t for Ukrainian anti-aircraft gunners, Saakashvili would have been destroyed by attack aircraft." Both that, and that - expression. And to argue on the facts, you need to thoroughly study the actions of the parties.
          1. silver_roman
            silver_roman 19 July 2013 12: 46 New
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            The arguments apply in controversy. There is poorly reasoned expression.

            I agree.
            Well, then why respond at all to such messages ??? of course, a man rushed to extremes, moreover, I am not going to defend anyone in this matter, but the fact that the truth is in his words is a fact. how can you say anything good about a general who says this: "
            that the MiG-31 is no longer the dashboard and in general no country in the world can independently defend against anyone alone
            "
            if the first part has logic, the continuation of which should be the modernization of one of the best aircraft in its class - the MiG-31, then at the expense of defense, these are idiotic words. this "anonymous" and indicated that sometimes generals smash nonsense. and in this regard, I agree with him and gave an example of this nonsense. this is the argument.
            1. Bronis
              Bronis 19 July 2013 13: 52 New
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              Quote: silver_roman
              follows the modernization of one of the best aircraft in its class - MiG-31

              The current modernization will be sluggish. By list, we have about 200 MiG-31. Upgrade around 60 + another 20-30 is already available. Total - about 90 cars. The rest will write off. Poorly? Yes! But age and condition ... extreme cars are more than 20 years old (and the main age is already under 30) to 2020 - under 40 years ... They do not like to talk about it directly. On the State Duma, there were populists - they proposed to re-establish the production of the MiG-31. This is not possible initially.
              Quote: silver_roman
              generals smash nonsense.
              This is often the case. generals generally have little skill in arguing for a point of view ... but it is far from always mistaken.
              1. silver_roman
                silver_roman 20 July 2013 14: 52 New
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                and there are many of them and is not needed. in fact, 4 aircraft can safely hold a front of several thousand kilometers. Of course, that in case of war this will not be enough (200 pieces), but the rest will not be enough. we are not yet ready for a major war. But thank God our strategic nuclear forces are still the best and serve as the guarantor of our security.
                But age and condition ... extreme cars are more than 20 years old (and the main age is already under 30) by 2020 - under 40 years

                I think it will not be a secret for you that among amers, by the way, the park is also very old and, oddly enough, this is true. often an aircraft is older than its pilot. No wonder they are so actively sawing fu-35, because fu-16 is already extremely tired and overhaul, etc. it’s just that soon there will be no sense in terms of profitability.

                at the expense of the generals, I am not saying that they are all breaking nonsense; I am saying that it was in our case that it was stupidity that was said. I will not say that he lied, the saddest thing is that today it would not be easy for us to wage a war, but such statements from the lips of the general can simply demoralize, and sometimes it is more important than hundreds of cartridges in stores!
      3. silver_roman
        silver_roman 19 July 2013 11: 53 New
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        what am I writing about: I am extremely worried about the state of our army, but if you look at everything through the "pink glasses", the problems that remain will remain unsolved. Reforms always begin with tough measures and strong-willed decisions, otherwise the cart will not budge.

        and on Georgia’s account: the connection was really unsuitable. why after 08.08.08 they began to actively withdraw GLONASS? because there is an opinion that the same GPS was simply hacked to us and we could only be content with aerial reconnaissance. but we know what happened to the Tu-22 ...
        and such a lot of questions.
        Again, you can talk a lot, but the fact that our armed forces are extremely active in trying to bring them to a proper appearance speaks of certain dangers associated with a potential threat to the integrity of the state!
        1. Bronis
          Bronis 19 July 2013 13: 44 New
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          Quote: silver_roman
          and on Georgia’s account: the connection was really unsuitable. why after 08.08.08 they started to display GLONASS so actively? because there is an opinion that the same GPS was simply hacked to us and we could only be content with aerial reconnaissance.

          Neither GPS nor Glonass reconcile the problem. But only positioning on the ground. They are tweeters, not scouts. For such purposes, there are other satellites. So GLONASS is not about intelligence.
      4. vladimirZ
        vladimirZ 19 July 2013 19: 15 New
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        Hmm, the situation is awful. Finally, everyone in the army leadership understood what the reforms of Serdyukov and K were brought to. Everyone "combed turnips" - WHAT TO DO?
        It’s interesting, but what does the initiator of the “reforms” Putin V.V., patron of Serdyukov, who call for “further refinement” of Serdyukov’s reforms, “think”?
        What is he, President of the Russian Federation Putin V.V. by this means and how will he correct this terrible situation for the state? And is he going to fix it?
      5. Foooxxxxx
        Foooxxxxx 20 July 2013 14: 13 New
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        On Earth, not only Russia and Georgia ... There are many other countries whose armies are much more powerful than the Georgian.
    2. nikolaxp
      nikolaxp 19 July 2013 10: 33 New
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      Anonymous, judging by your writings, “amazing” awareness of the war in Georgia and the style of expression of thoughts, I can assume that you are a schoolboy who has played shooters, after which you have the impression that you are better at military affairs than generals who graduated from military schools General Staff Academy, etc. Before you write what the army is doing with man, you yourself have to serve there. Judging by your words, you have never served and are not going to the army (this is 100%), because if I am mistaken and following your logic, you have already become "a stupid and lazy animal", or you are going to become one.
      Of course, I can disappoint you, maybe you didn’t know, but a person who is prone to laziness and a decrease in mental abilities displays these qualities everywhere, at home, at work, in the army, and in the country. The only thing the army does is it speeds up the process of identifying such inclinations in a person and gives him a chance to correct them using labor, ingenuity, work on himself and his abilities.
      1. Anonymus
        Anonymus 19 July 2013 12: 46 New
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        Since when did the graduation of the "military school" become a criterion of competency? And then I heard that now military pilots in the first year are taught to dig trenches in frozen ground.
        You should throw off your pink rose-colored glasses and understand that the “Russian general” is a stigma worse than “a”, it is a flabby, selfish and extremely stupid creature, shaking only for the safety of its skin and not knowing what was entrusted to it. But he is very well able to build summer cottages with the hands of conscripts, to drive supposedly decommissioned weapons to individuals with a Caucasian accent and just to steal the allocated budget funds.
        Damn, you google the query. "American General" - wiry men in field uniform, doing a hundred push-ups in the morning and not sweating from it. "Israeli general" - they are generally indistinguishable from ordinary soldiers, these iron people have been fighting continuously for sixty years and give lyuley to the entire Middle East. "Russian General" - except for portraits of two centuries ago, these are flabby faces from constant drunkenness and inactivity, the absence of the slightest glimmer of thought. They don’t want to learn anything new, they don’t want to learn anything, the best they can do is get ready to replay the war of 70 years ago, because neither the use of precision weapons (obosrams in Chechnya and Georgia) nor urban tactics fit into their inert paradigm of thinking battle (the storming of Grozny), neither the competent interaction of the military branches (4 Su-24s and 1 Tu-22Ms in Georgia), nor the elementary ability to think one step further (the most epic obosrams in the Nord-Ost, when the results of the perfect assault were stolen by the general’s unwillingness to report which substance was used, but it was possible to reduce casualties from hundreds of dead to units).
        1. andreitk20
          andreitk20 19 July 2013 13: 22 New
          +5
          It’s interesting, how do you know how all this is about our generals? I know admirals who pull themselves up and go to the sea, but in the Marine Corps they’re all bad looking photos. Do not indiscriminately blame everyone. If such a competent person entered the contract and study, change. About people like you have the proverb P ... do not toss the bags.
          1. Gomunkul
            Gomunkul 19 July 2013 14: 08 New
            +1
            You should not answer him, you are talking with a battle troll. hi
            1. Andrew-001
              Andrew-001 20 July 2013 03: 08 New
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              Quote: Gomunkul
              you are talking to a battle troll.

              We don’t talk with him - we hone his battle arguments on him angry
        2. olviko
          olviko 19 July 2013 16: 35 New
          +1
          This is with whom your lean generals 65 years did not fight? with the Arabs or something. Yes, the enemy is certainly drop dead serious, if you compare the Arabs with a normal army, it’s about like a yard team compared with the Brazil national team. I won’t take it recently, can you, our warlike one, name at least one war against a really strong enemy, which the God-chosen people won in its entire history.
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          2. il grand casino
            il grand casino 19 July 2013 17: 45 New
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            Quote: olviko
            This is with whom your lean generals 65 years did not fight? with the Arabs or something. Yes, the enemy is certainly drop dead serious, if you compare the Arabs with a normal army, it’s about like a yard team compared with the Brazil national team. I won’t take it recently, can you, our warlike one, name at least one war against a really strong enemy, which the God-chosen people won in its entire history.


            Hm. Egypt, Syria, Jordan ... In the USSR, the armies of these countries were considered quite strong. And quantitative and qualitative superiority (in technology) was on the side of the Arabs. Just the main thing now is not talking about US support. She was not in the first major wars. It is a fact. But the support of the USSR to the Arabs was.
            YES and in general it is not correct to compare the USSR or the USA and Israel. How many million people did they have at that time? Maybe less. I dont know. For their size, the Arabs were much more serious.
            1. Andrew-001
              Andrew-001 20 July 2013 03: 18 New
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              Quote: il grand casino
              superiority (in technology) was on the side of the Arabs.

              Logically, the technique was ours, Soviet. That's just they used it like spears. My father accompanied our caravans to Egypt on a BOD - he told me later: we are standing in the port, next to the Egyptian "combat floating box" (with the Soviet crew it would be called a ship), evening has come, the Egyptian military commanders from the ship crowd ashore, the last to go their captain locking the "ship" on the castle.
              Quote: il grand casino
              Do not talk about US support. She was not in the first major wars.

              Did not have. During the “war of independence” there, Israel relied on the support of the USSR, and its main opponent, Jordan, on the support of the British. + to this at that time in Israel there were many Jews who went through the 2MB fronts, i.e. unlike the Arabs, they had combat experience. In the future, they won including because the Arabs are lazy and disorganized, and the Jews had nowhere else to go.
        3. Andrew-001
          Andrew-001 20 July 2013 03: 03 New
          +1
          Quote: Anonymous
          Since when did the graduation of the "military school" become a criterion of competency?

          Because in the VVU a person has been taught a military specialty for 5 years. Moreover, they teach hard from morning to evening, and not like in civilian universities.
          Quote: Anonymous
          And then I heard that now military pilots in the first year are taught to dig trenches in frozen ground.

          I don’t know where you heard this, but in VVMUPP it was called the "Marine Corps course". The first two years, the cadet is an ordinary fighter and studies (except for the main university program) what all ordinary fighters do.
          Quote: Anonymous
          “Russian general” is a stigma worse than “a,” it is a flabby, selfish and extremely stupid creature, shaking only for the preservation of its own skin and not knowing what is entrusted to it.

          I rarely saw generals in my life. The only major general MP seen by me was an uncle under 2 meters and very fit. Admiralov saw different, but did not see any corresponding to your description at all.
          I don’t know about the stripovik generals - I saw them only in films - there they really are "wiry men in field uniforms" - well, with their gay propaganda, generals should like ordinary soldiers laughing
          Concerning
          Quote: Anonymous
          "Israeli general" - they are generally indistinguishable from ordinary soldiers, these iron people have been fighting continuously for sixty years and give lyuley to the entire Middle East.

          So with the last Lebanese company, the generals of Tsahal simply fled. Little Izy will no longer pull out the big war.
          Well, you prompted yourself the right thought:
          Quote: Anonymous
          Damn, you google the query.

          Look on the internet for mistakes (shoals, oversights, mistakes) of the US Army - just take off the pink glasses for a start.
          1. rudolff
            rudolff 20 July 2013 19: 39 New
            +1
            I on this "course of tactics of the Marine Corps" in the Gray Horse almost drowned right near the camp. I thought a puddle, but it turned out to be a swamp. The guys pulled out. good
    3. Demetrius29
      Demetrius29 19 July 2013 14: 19 New
      +5
      Hmm, I call the generals dumb and greasy worthless things, I think it’s absolutely wrong. I will only use the example of my father, a general in the recent past and his colleagues. I spent almost all my childhood unoccupied with studies, wandering around the training grounds and shooting ranges with him. And now I'm an officer and having the opportunity to analyze what was seen in childhood + the methods of warfare, logistical support, morality, staff work, etc., called military science of the past years, obtained in the course of conversations with my father, I can say that you can learn a lot. Yes, the methods of waging war Now, and these are border conflicts, hot spots, etc., they require new skills. But judging by the post, you are urging everyone who has 100kg weight and general's stripes to be kicked out? But what about the lesson before the Second World War, when almost the entire color of military science was repressed and only the will of the people and the return of the skeleton of the army from the camps saved the USSR?
      And I’ll end with a famous joke. The generals have a lot of weight so that they don’t run. For in peacetime it causes laughter, and in a military panic.
      1. aviamed90
        aviamed90 20 July 2013 18: 04 New
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        Demetrius29

        Gentlemen and comrades, what's the difference: what is the physique of the generals?

        The general’s profession is to think and lead troops, and not to catch up on the horizontal bar (although this is welcome) and run march-throws (he ran his own).
        He is therefore a general because he must fight with his brains, not his muscles.
        1. Lopatov
          Lopatov 20 July 2013 18: 25 New
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          I remember that in August 2008, a general suffered from his poor physical fitness.
          Fighting can be and only brains are possible. However, if the muscles are weak, the ass may suffer, as the Khrulev case clearly indicated.
          However, not only muscles there, but the brain didn’t work much either.
          1. aviamed90
            aviamed90 20 July 2013 18: 47 New
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            Lopatov

            What are you saying hints?
            What kind of Khrulev do you mean? Stepan Alexandrovich Khrulyov (hero of the Crimean War) or Andrei Vasilyevich Khrulyov (head of the rear of the Red Army)?

            Explain!
            1. Lopatov
              Lopatov 20 July 2013 19: 10 New
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              I don’t play these games of yours, you perfectly understood who I’m talking about
              1. aviamed90
                aviamed90 20 July 2013 19: 19 New
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                Lopatov

                God with you! What are the "games"?

                Maybe I forgot or missed something? So remind!
                What is the secret?
                1. aviamed90
                  aviamed90 20 July 2013 19: 32 New
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                  Lopatov

                  So you mean Lieutenant General Anatoly Nikolayevich Khrulyov, commander of the 58th Army!

                  And how is this case indicative and what proves? What is the general obliged to run fast?

                  Then you forgot to mention General Vlasov, who was also good at this. Yes, and was thin.

                  Or does the rank of general automatically add a saint's halo above his head?
                  1. Lopatov
                    Lopatov 20 July 2013 19: 46 New
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                    Quote: aviamed90
                    And how is this case indicative and what proves? What is the general obliged to run fast?

                    Exactly. If he had not been disturbed by mirror disease, he would at least not have been injured.
                    1. aviamed90
                      aviamed90 20 July 2013 20: 03 New
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                      Lopatov

                      So what is the general fitness for physical training!

                      But there were other generals: Baghramyan, Triandafillov (brilliant theorist), from modern ones - Troshev, Rodionov.

                      And not all are thin and lean, I note! But almost everyone is aged. And why do they need a horizontal bar?
                      How would he influence their fulfillment of their duties as military commanders? Unless lifelike lifted.
                      1. Lopatov
                        Lopatov 20 July 2013 20: 19 New
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                        Quote: aviamed90
                        And not all are thin and lean, I note! But almost everyone is aged. And why do they need a horizontal bar?

                        Now the wars are different. The impact is on the entire depth of the formation of the battle formations of the enemy, there is no clear front line. Puzanam in such a war does not belong. Regardless of their ranks.
                      2. aviamed90
                        aviamed90 21 July 2013 09: 29 New
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                        Lopatov

                        Analysts and officers of operational departments (departments) at all levels of the General Staff of the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation too?
                      3. Lopatov
                        Lopatov 21 July 2013 09: 45 New
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                        Of course. Military service implies career growth. And they are “analysts and operational control officers” today, and brigade commanders or army commanders tomorrow.

                        Or do you think that a parallel career path is needed for pussies? In addition, the state invests a lot of money in their education. Why should it lose them due to obesity related diseases?
                      4. aviamed90
                        aviamed90 21 July 2013 13: 35 New
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                        Lopatov

                        Do not say nonsense!
                        Who will appoint the analyst as brigade commander? And which brigade commander will climb into the trenches and go to hand-to-hand combat? His place at the CP or at headquarters. And if this is not so, then he is not a brigade commander. The Chapaevs are gone!

                        And there are a lot of such specialties!
                        For example:
                        - military doctors;
                        - rear services (clothing, food, financial, fuel and lubricants);
                        - psychologists;
                        - officers of the units of RTR, RR, etc .;
                        - special communications officers, cryptographers;
                        - officers serving ACS (depending on the type of aircraft);
                        - military translators;
                        - officers of military research institutes;
                        - military musicians;
                        - analysts and staff officers (starting at the operational level) (depending on the type of aircraft);
                        - Faculty of Higher School of Higher Education and Adjunct. etc.

                        Physical exercise in the morning is enough for these officers.

                        If you were forced to take physically according to the standards under the threat of dismissal of Marshal G.K. Zhukov, then he would, to put it mildly, be very surprised! Or Vatunin, Chernyakhovsky, Antonov, Shaposhnikov!
                        So do not touch the generals, for God's sake! Otherwise, we will have at our headquarters some HUGE victims of the exam!

                        By the way, the state voluntarily, and even with a certain degree of zeal, is losing a huge number of officers and generals since the 1990s. Both thin and fat! And it doesn’t bother anyone!

                        Moreover, for conscript soldiers he organizes mysterious “scientific companies”. That's where the NFP standards would have to be applied!
                      5. Lopatov
                        Lopatov 21 July 2013 14: 12 New
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                        Quote: aviamed90
                        And which brigade commander will climb into the trenches and go to hand-to-hand combat? His place at the CP or at headquarters.

                        And the CP or headquarters is absolutely not safe in a modern war from an attack at best by the enemy’s DRG, in the worst, by combined arms units. Why does the army need a commander who in the first minutes of the battle will be wounded in the ass and lose control of the troops?

                        Quote: aviamed90
                        And there are a lot of such specialties!

                        Military doctors brigade and battalion levels are in the battle formations of the troops. And therefore, not only should they have normal physical training, but also tactical and rifle. Remember: in modern warfare there is no clear front line.
                        Rear axles (clothing, food, financial, fuels and lubricants) The same as for doctors. Moreover, they are often forced to dangle with columns and therefore get into trouble are more likely.
                        Psychologists These are generally pure infantry. They are constantly in the battle formations of the troops.
                        Officers of the units of RTR, RR, etc .; special communications officers, cryptographers; officers serving ACS. They are in the battle formations of the troops and therefore the requirements are like military doctors. And by the way, the units of RTR and RR are part of the reconnaissance battalions, and there they look askance at the buds.
                        Military translators They are part of the intelligence. bodies with all that it implies.
                        Military musicians In the war, the funeral team and trophies. With a healthy belly, you don’t drag corpses and don’t dig graves.
                        Analysts and staff officers (starting at the operational level)
                        There is no guarantee that during career growth they will not fall into the lower headquarters. And we do not have a separate career ladder for bunnies and fat people.
                        Officers of military research institutes; university professors and associate professors Moscow oblast is not obliged to spend big money on their treatment. Googling: Overweight Diseases.

                        Quote: aviamed90
                        By the way, the state voluntarily and even with a certain degree of zeal is losing officers in large numbers, starting in the 1990s. And it doesn’t bother anyone!

                        Officers who are unable to fulfill their duties due to obesity do not need an army.
                      6. aviamed90
                        aviamed90 21 July 2013 14: 47 New
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                        Lopatov

                        In addition to the Ground Forces, in our Armed Forces there are other types and kinds.
                        And besides divisions and units, there are also connections and associations.

                        Do not go in cycles - look wider!

                        In addition, you confuse "obesity" and overweight. And these are different things.

                        Remember Mr. Goering. Did his belly prevent him from his "activity" against the USSR?
      2. rudolff
        rudolff 20 July 2013 19: 32 New
        +1
        Anatoly Khrulev, commander of the 58th army and was wounded in August 2008.
      3. Lopatov
        Lopatov 20 July 2013 19: 33 New
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        You did not hear about the commander 58A Khrulev, wounded in the train ...?
        He drove the rear convoy straight into the hands of the Georgian DRG. Then Major Vetchinov died, about which the war correspondent of the Rossiya TV channel A. Sladkov often later told, also, incidentally, wounded in this mess. I recall that Sladkov’s father promised to help the family of the deceased. Although in the minds it is necessary to withdraw money from Khrulyov monthly to widows.
  • max702
    max702 19 July 2013 17: 13 New
    0
    "Our leadership talents are sorely lacking in human and material resources!"
  • Radoslav
    Radoslav 20 July 2013 02: 56 New
    -1
    An idiot piece, chucks-uyuyens walked generally behind the advancing Russian paratroopers, like a lover of churkoblevotiny
  • serge-68-68
    serge-68-68 19 July 2013 08: 54 New
    10
    Victor Sobolev, commander of the 58th army (2004–2006), lieutenant general; Anatoly Surtsukov,
    Head of the Army Aviation Administration (2003–2005), Lieutenant General; Alexander Gorkov,
    Commander of the Air Force Anti-aircraft Missile Forces (2000–2008), Lieutenant General; Alexander Belousov, Head of the Military Academy of the General Staff of the RF Armed Forces (2007–2009), Army General ...
    All this mess started at them and developed at them. In this mess they grew up to hopeless stars, from this mess they fed. And something I had not heard before that they did not like it. Conclusion - they should not teach, but respond.
    1. aviamed90
      aviamed90 19 July 2013 09: 20 New
      +2
      serge-68-68

      And then, someone was interested in their opinion then?

      They ordered and, be kind, do it! Though the general!
      That was silent.
      They must answer, but only for their actions and decisions. And with them, and some others higher.

      And those who did not agree and are not "approving" - quit long ago.
      1. serge-68-68
        serge-68-68 19 July 2013 09: 41 New
        10
        You yourself answered your question: "And those who did not agree and were not" approved "- quit long ago." Well, or was fired. Conclusion - these "generals" were in agreement with the "approvers." But when they, having been awarded with the next military rank, were sent to an honorary pension (in 2008), they calmed down - they took care of their pension. But when they sent Serdyukov to the honorary retirement (in 2012), then they "saw the light" and began to teach life. And what is more in their teaching - the desire to relieve oneself of responsibility for the perfect (and keep what was acquired) or to crawl back to the feeder again - I don't know.
        1. aviamed90
          aviamed90 19 July 2013 09: 53 New
          +2
          serge-68-68

          All true.

          But they didn’t make decisions. Is not it so? They are only performers. And they must answer for themselves, and not for the "mastermind and organizer" of the reforms.
          1. serge-68-68
            serge-68-68 19 July 2013 09: 58 New
            +2
            Then, speaking philosophically, no one is to blame for us - all are just executors, and Yeltsin is simply an executor of the "will of the people." There is no one to answer. All in the honorable retirement of the honorary retirement of the "teachers of life."
    2. creak
      creak 19 July 2013 10: 29 New
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      If these people do not have to learn how to proceed, then maybe you know exactly what to do next? Explain to us. Maybe at the same time tell how many years you served in the Armed Forces and as whom. Probably not a very modest way to judge so honored people ...
      1. serge-68-68
        serge-68-68 19 July 2013 21: 13 New
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        I do not appreciate their military knowledge. I value these "honored" people exactly as people. Are they worthy of teaching me life? And there is someone to compare. There is a GKChP - for all their ambiguity, they were not afraid to go against a situation that they did not like. There are Kvachkov. There are many other officers who left and who "left." These are people who have committed a moral act. I may not like them, I may not share their views, but I respect them. And among these people there are no “fat cats”, or rather “fat donkeys” (because “a donkey can also kick a dead lion”). They have no moral right to teach me anything.
        1. aviamed90
          aviamed90 20 July 2013 18: 53 New
          +1
          serge-68-68

          In your opinion, if an officer (general) disagrees with the leadership in some way, should he leave? But what about the principle of one-man management? But what about the order? But you never know what opinions the bosses and subordinates have! Someone is for, someone is against! How many people - so many opinions. If only for the ultimate goals they did not disperse.

          But in this case (the collapse of the Armed Forces) I completely agree with you! In matters of principle such as this one must decide who you are. Or you are "offended by the power" or "own shirt closer to the body" and "if only there was no war."
      2. aviamed90
        aviamed90 20 July 2013 19: 07 New
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        ranger

        Not always the availability of orders and posts corresponds to the merits of man before the people and the Fatherland!

        For example: Army General Makarov N.E. (former NSSh of the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation) - a hero of Russia
        Major General of the Police Kadyrov R.A. - hero of Russia

        or former officer in the political department of the headquarters of the Transcaucasian Military District, senior lieutenant V. Zhirinovsky (now Colonel of the reserve) - Order “For Merit to the Fatherland” III Art., Order “For Merit to the Fatherland” IV Art., Zhukov Medal, Honorary weapon - personalized dirk from the Ministry of Internal Affairs of the Russian Federation.

    3. grafrozow
      grafrozow 19 July 2013 14: 56 New
      0
      And who are they now, pensioners? Where did they get data on the state of the aircraft?
      1. berimor
        berimor 20 July 2013 14: 28 New
        0
        And now it’s not better.
  • vitek1233
    vitek1233 19 July 2013 08: 55 New
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    article makes you think
  • omsbon
    omsbon 19 July 2013 08: 56 New
    +3
    Reforming the army is not possible without a deep analytical study, without miscalculating all the pros and cons, but we do it first and then think about it.
    It's time to stop these shy things from side to side.
  • Ruslandeth
    Ruslandeth 19 July 2013 09: 04 New
    +2
    Vladivostok - the main base of the Pacific Fleet is not protected at all. There was a division of marines - eliminated.


    The Marine Corps is there now, plus I have not heard that the coastal troops have been removed. Something yes, the question is how much
  • makst83
    makst83 19 July 2013 09: 07 New
    0
    what year article !?
  • runway
    runway 19 July 2013 09: 21 New
    +5
    It’s not necessary to call the names of honored people who understand many army issues better than you and me. It’s not their fault for the collapse of our aircraft. They are military people, so they had only two options in this situation - to fulfill the order, or to quit military service. And the fact that our Supreme Commander was informed about the negative consequences of his decisions on the army, that's for sure. Financial and economic feasibility brought our aircraft to its current state. Of course, specific people are behind financial and economic feasibility. Their names are known and the time will come when they will be responsible for everything that they have done.
    Today in the Ground Forces there is not a single brigade of constant readiness, according to the criteria determined by the Main Operations Directorate of the General Staff ...
  • leon-iv
    leon-iv 19 July 2013 10: 07 New
    +1
    I was always amazed that the general is silent, as the politician begins.
    Chef Everything is gone ala ulu only I know how to save the father of Russian democracy.
    1. TRex
      TRex 19 July 2013 11: 07 New
      +3
      If generals get into politics, military coups happen, however ... Chile, Greece, Egypt and many others ... How long have Russia not washed their face with blood?
      Now it’s easy to blame them, not knowing the basics of managing society and the system. The use of military force is the most recent thing, and before that there are six or seven ways (I don’t remember exactly). So, first of all, you need to ask politicians: some people need an aspen stake in the grave, but you can still take many for the zugunder ...
    2. saruman
      saruman 19 July 2013 11: 17 New
      +3
      Quote: leon-iv
      I was always amazed that the general is silent, as the politician begins.


      Have you served in the army? What, officers and even generals in the army can engage in politics, publicly criticize the higher leadership, not follow orders?
      Therefore, you should not blame people who honestly performed their military duty, and now fulfill a civil duty, criticizing the military - political leadership and professionally offering solutions.
      1. leon-iv
        leon-iv 19 July 2013 12: 22 New
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        Og, that's why I say so. For it has long been possible in the media on an anonymous basis to transmit everything since they are so timid. Or are the ZPs holding onto places?
        And these are the commanders of the armies and districts. So to regulate the structure of BP all in their power.
  • High speed
    High speed 19 July 2013 11: 29 New
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    About BolshooOOOOOO army (count the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation). Magazine Military Thought, about 95 g. In the article on empirical formulas of the USA and Germany (it turns out there are such), information on the Russian Federation is introduced. It turned out that we need aircraft from 2,8 (Germany) to 3,2 (USA) million people.
  • Alex Nick
    Alex Nick 19 July 2013 11: 38 New
    +3
    And the children of officials do not serve, but then they then rule the state. Well yes. when we served they learned to rule the country.
  • aud13
    aud13 19 July 2013 11: 38 New
    +2
    By the way, how many generals are left in the Russian army now?
    At one time, they were compared with the states, so they said that we had many more generals.
    And at the expense of numbers, it may be first to look at the experience of other countries that are constantly participating in hostilities, for example, Israel. How do they get out of the situation.
    And then we get a situation when people with weapons are a dime a dozen: Army, Ministry of Internal Affairs, VV, Border Guards, Ministry of Emergencies, FSKN, FSO, FSB, GUFSIN, etc., and if there is no one to fight.
  • sergey158-29
    sergey158-29 19 July 2013 13: 24 New
    +1
    An interesting article, is it really so hopeless!

    Or are these old articles from 2000-2009? Who will TELL?
  • aud13
    aud13 19 July 2013 14: 14 New
    +3
    Quote: saruman
    Have you served in the army? Is it possible for officers and even generals in the army to engage in politics, publicly criticize the higher leadership, and not follow orders? Therefore, do not blame people who honestly performed their military duty and who now fulfill a civil duty, criticizing the military-political leadership and offering professional solutions .


    There Colonel Kvachkov criticized (neighboring news) and criticized. And along with him, some more officers on delusional grounds were imprisoned.
  • Alexanderlaskov
    Alexanderlaskov 19 July 2013 14: 39 New
    +1
    Russia is not big, but a strong army is needed. Our country and the army have a bright future. God is with us.
    1. berimor
      berimor 20 July 2013 14: 35 New
      +1
      Hope for God, but don’t be bad yourself !!! Do not forget that Russia is not Estonia. Territory, however! One word - WIDE, MY NATIVE COUNTRY !!!!
  • BOGOBOREZ
    BOGOBOREZ 19 July 2013 15: 07 New
    0
    If the author is really a patriot of his homeland, then it would not hurt him to use the Russian “draftee” together with the foreign word “recruit”. And then hypocrisy is obtained ...
    1. svoboda1970
      svoboda1970 19 July 2013 15: 43 New
      0
      Is "recruit" a foreign word? In the Russian Empire there were no recruitment sets? what
    2. svoboda1970
      svoboda1970 19 July 2013 15: 50 New
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      Well yes...
      Recruit (from fr. Récruter - to recruit troops) - a person taken into military service on military service or for hire.


      The origin is French, but used much earlier than the "draftee" ...
      1. BOGOBOREZ
        BOGOBOREZ 19 July 2013 19: 44 New
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        The trouble is that everything Russian, Slavic, has been knocked out of Russians long ago, and without roots the tree will dry up. What greatness of Russia can we talk about if all life is copied from potential enemies ... Original peoples who have preserved their Ya will survive
  • Alexey Prikazchikov
    Alexey Prikazchikov 19 July 2013 15: 32 New
    0
    What a big army? We need an army that is sufficient at the moment, not an author’s cell phone. Firstly, what kind of money will the banquet be, secondly, why, thirdly, does the author at least understand that an increased budget will become a drag on the economy, and lastly, who will work if all the men only serve in the army? My opinion is that we need to tackle the economy. There will be industry, agriculture will be everything else. Next, restore gold reserves at least to the level of France. Third, the infrastructure, it is extremely worn out, and it is most pleasant to look at our cities only through the sight of a bomber. Fourth on the perimeter of the borders we need buffer states, and in the near and middle abroad we need, if not friends, then just neutrals. Fifth, the restoration of medium and short-range missiles, an army like the United States or China, we will not be able to have another 50-70 years. There are simply no resources for it, so we need to look for cheaper and more effective responses.
  • svoboda1970
    svoboda1970 19 July 2013 15: 46 New
    +1
    Probably you need to more often look back on the experience of the Soviet Army ...
    Everything has long been invented and worked out.
    It’s always easy to break, but to create ...
    The main thing is not to let the reformist amateurs ... angry
  • Letterksi
    Letterksi 19 July 2013 16: 21 New
    +2
    Comments like "Article of what year" are surprising. Nobody really recovered anything after the stool. Everything as it was in ruins remains. Many areas of a possible offensive after the barbarian Serdyukov are open. Mobgroups are destroyed under the ground, which means if there is a war, then no one will call anyone from the reserve, which means that Russia is not able to fight off a sufficiently strong enemy. Shoigu is not a panacea. He will not rebuild the army. He physically will not be able to recover in a short time. Yes, and in the long doubt, not for that it was destroyed, then to restore it in its original form
  • Volkhov
    Volkhov 19 July 2013 16: 30 New
    0
    The war is already underway, although hidden, the losses are quite noticeable, especially the fleet ... if it goes into the open phase, there will be a "fun hour" for sinking and knocking down the remains, digging up objects.
    It is necessary to return to the world and take up the mind, although this is a complete change of ideology, science, social relations ... but it’s real, because was before.
    http://warfiles.ru/user/Волхов/
  • Aleks tv
    Aleks tv 19 July 2013 16: 43 New
    +2
    Very nice round table.
    Almost all the statements of the generals go to the very points of the problems of the modern army.
    You can comment on every phrase, the same bunch of scribble will come out, I’ll just note that at last something that TV is silent about, but they are constantly talking in the army:
    Conscripts do not have time to serve for a year, to learn - yes, to serve - no.
    Parts of constant combat readiness are chronically sky-ready by almost 50%.

    I hope that the benefit of such round tables will still be, even if they are informative in nature and begin to form at least some kind of public opinion - and then forward.
  • Ivanovich47
    Ivanovich47 19 July 2013 16: 45 New
    +2
    Blind copying of the structure of the overseas army, for the Russian army, will continue to put negative pressure on the current personnel and army veterans. But the situation is gradually improving. The Russian soldier and officer suffered everything, and the "reforms" of the bed seller also endured. During liberal reforms, the training system was completely destroyed strategic reserve of the Armed forces of Russia. Given the shortened period of military service by soldiers of military service and the huge number of young people who did not serve in the army at all, it is clear that this is now a big problem. Let's ask the question: Who will protect the country in the future?
    1. Anonymus
      Anonymus 19 July 2013 17: 50 New
      +1
      Exhale and think - why do you need this strategic reserve?
      Do you seriously think that yesterday’s workers, clerks, IT specialists, who worked for five to ten years by profession and have seen machines since the time of military service only on the Internet, haven’t even pulled themselves up, at the time of the general mobilization they will suddenly be blown up, they will still remember Afghanistan from warehouses Gorku, AKMs, and they will go to stop the greedy NATO / Chinese / Japanese hordes? And with these AKMs they will shoot down the F-22s, Apaches, sink the Arly Burke and Sea Wolves ...
      As you don’t understand, a global war in modern conditions of globalization means the collapse of civilization even without nuclear weapons, and for local wars, such as hypothetical and rather probable conflicts with Poland, Japan and Central Asia, hordes stupid from fear and somehow armed mobilized are not needed , you need a couple of hundreds of thousands of trained aki chaknorisa and to the teeth armed harsh Chelyabinsk men who are able to eat stone and gravel. Who will have the “Warriors” and AK-12 and all the best that the domestic military-industrial complex can provide, who will know for sure that they are the true elite and all hope for them, and that the constant threat of death in battle will not allow them to degrade to the level of the Airborne Forces.

      PS We’re fighting a little, I must still notice. There’s no one to even test a weapon on. You can arrange an intervention in Tajikistan, such as there is a lack of Orthodoxy / democracy, or too much heroin.
      1. Alexey Prikazchikov
        Alexey Prikazchikov 19 July 2013 19: 48 New
        0
        lack of Orthodoxy / democracy,


        This is five, dared like a horse. And just the most sensible koment.
        1. experienced
          experienced 19 July 2013 19: 53 New
          +1
          Quote: Alexey Prikazchikov
          This is five, dared like a horse. And just the most sensible koment.

          I’m not a sanitary station site, but Alex, do not go too far? winked
          You positioned yourself there as a cool sniper, then it turned out that you served then on the pot ... Maybe it's enough to pretend to be cool? lol
      2. Aleks tv
        Aleks tv 19 July 2013 21: 09 New
        0
        Quote: Anonymous
        Do you seriously think that yesterday’s workers, clerks, IT specialists, who worked for five to ten years by profession and have seen machines since the time of military service only on the Internet, haven’t even pulled themselves up suddenly, at the time of the general mobilization, they will suddenly be blown up, they will still remember Afghanistan from warehouses Gorku, AKMs, and they will go to stop the greedy NATO / Chinese / Japanese hordes?


        And Anonymous, along the way, the smartest ... or the most evil?
        Personally, I will "undermine." And not personally, I, too, from those whom I know. And then there will be nowhere to go if a meat grinder, requiring a mobile reserve, goes.
        It’s a pity that this will actually be a meat grinder when these “... workers, clerks, IT specialists, etc ...” get into operation. Many will disappear, the rest will become fighters.
        It will be complete crap ..
        And where will Anonymous be at this time?
        With us in "crap"?
        Or ... like the rest of the blot?

        Advice - it’s better to be with the puke. So you will surely survive. And if you don’t want to - come on with everyone, it will not be boring.
        wink
      3. antonio
        antonio 19 July 2013 21: 46 New
        0
        Sound reasoning!
      4. Andrew-001
        Andrew-001 20 July 2013 03: 39 New
        0
        Quote: Anonymous
        Exhale and think - why do you need this strategic reserve?

        I answer - we, unlike the states, are not an aggressor country. And we need an army for protection. And when they attack us, the personnel army will restrain the enemy, while new units from the military reserve will be formed in the rear for the final defeat of the enemies who attacked us.
        Quote: Anonymous
        Do you seriously think that yesterday’s workers, clerks, IT specialists, who worked for five to ten years by profession and have seen machines since the time of military service only on the Internet, haven’t even pulled themselves up, at the time of the general mobilization they will suddenly be blown up, they will still remember Afghanistan from warehouses Gorku, AKMs, and they will go to stop the greedy NATO / Chinese / Japanese hordes? And with these AKMs they will shoot down the F-22s, Apaches, sink the Arly Burke and Sea Wolves ...

        And you and your friends have no other choice. Once the service is slanted, it means that you meet the war with nothing knowing and knowing organisms. If you manage to learn how to fight, you may return home alive, if you do not have time to learn how to do it, you will not return.
        By the way, leave the hope of "winding over the hill" right away - they won’t let me out of here, but they won’t.
        Quote: Anonymous
        Do you not understand that a global war in modern conditions of globalization means the collapse of civilization even without nuclear weapons,

        And what, now that the United States decides that Siberia from the Urals to Chukotka is an original American territory, will we have to raise our hands ?!
        And where did you get this:
        Quote: Anonymous
        quite likely conflicts with Poland, Japan and Central Asia

        Poland and Japan will never fight with us without NATO, and NATO is the United States, about which I wrote a little higher. In any case, the countries of Central Asia will not be able to fight with us - their industrial potential will rise to the level of our collapse in 200 years.
  • valerei
    valerei 19 July 2013 16: 50 New
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    Interestingly, who collected and posted these four articles on the site? When were the articles written by these generals at all, and for what reason? Who pulled them out and where? It turns out this way: the generals fought with their problems like a fish on ice, but zero sense! And they decided to write articles on this site so that both the Minister of Defense and the President, as the Supreme Commander-in-Chief, could familiarize themselves with their "voice crying in the wilderness!" I don’t understand anything. What is the point of publishing these articles on this site? Maybe somehow try to familiarize the Minister of Defense with their contents? But did Tarnayev not read these articles, or read, but only on this site? I don’t understand anything. With the same success, you can publish them, say, in the newspaper Speed-Info.
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  • antonio
    antonio 19 July 2013 21: 52 New
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    The article is somehow populist, well, although generals have a large army, more ranks, more funding. More free power slave. They no longer give them soldiers to sell, ah-ah. Yes, they took fuel and lubricants, and the entire rear ..
    How hard it is for them not to steal money, fuel and lubricants cannot be stolen, food is also not under control. And the soldier must be taught, not sold at a construction site. They would have asked better the opinion of the military generals, and not the parquet generals, what they need.
    And then the parquet fighters soon Berdank and the saber in the army will return "Schaub faster army to collect 12 million."
  • Orty
    Orty 19 July 2013 22: 07 New
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    I can be stoned for writing, but I believe that why a millionth army doesn’t need 300 thousand officers, the very concept of an officer has been greatly distorted, such a number of officers is a legacy of the Soviet era, when high-ranking officials covered their ass with them. For me, 150 thousand is just right, and many of the posts can be put elders and sergeants.
    1. Alekseev
      Alekseev 28 July 2013 19: 39 New
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      Well, dear "odnoforumchanin", did you read the article?
      In peacetime, there are so many officers (warrant officers, contract officers - sergeants, i.e. non-commissioned officers) that are enough to support the forces of constant readiness (war with Georgia) and to quickly and efficiently deploy a reserve if the conflict is more serious.
      Here the author is struggling to prove that Russia alone cannot be dispensed with with only small forces of constant readiness (albeit highly professional, but this is still a long way off).
      True, it turns out he had difficulty ... request
  • zub46
    zub46 19 July 2013 23: 49 New
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    Give the nationalization of raw materials! Give the four millionth Army with a two-year service life for conscripts! Industry on a war footing! We are surrounded! As part of an extrajudicial procedure, urgently investigate the actions of those guilty of the destruction of the Army and the military industry, publicly execute, so that other creatures are not discouraged. But in general, brothers, very, very sad ...
  • tracer
    tracer 20 July 2013 03: 39 New
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    I want to say thanks to the author for the article. Clever, accurate and clear, very well written .. Thank you personal. I would really like for the high military officials to read our site, maybe the opinion "we are ONE-SITE" of all its members will help at least a little to restore Russia's defense capability. And if my opinion on this site, as a member of it, is capable of at least an iota-shifting thinking of a military official about what is happening .. I’m ready to write, without stopping ... There would be no sense. And I always didn’t like hatred, imaginary bravura, and URA patrotism. The problem of the army, like a bloody callus from a boot, must be opened. And this is the only way to understand what is happening, and take measures aimed at improving the situation. The people, "ONE SITE" say. Who is still not completely clear, or not clear, that the struggle for natural resources will only escalate? At first, the "strong" will absorb in the "controlled chaos" of the weakest, but after that it will come to the "not very" weak. It seems to me that Russia now belongs to the category of "not very weak" but nothing more. And if it were not for the nuclear Triad, I think that the country would have long been in "controlled chaos." And do not flatter yourself. Problems in the article are posed correctly. And I think that making a “diagnosis” is an integral part of the healing process.
  • wk-083
    wk-083 11 August 2013 01: 08 New
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    If for the president it is small, then the rest does not need it all the more!